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#rockbox log for 2008-08-06

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00:03:24*amiconn wonders what feature petur is talking about
00:05:50amiconnThe 'remote disabled' thing...
00:06:30peturin the rec screen, you can disable remote updating for those who still have noise
00:06:39petursomething Mmmm added I think
00:06:51amiconnAh, hmm, that thing
00:07:09peturit works 50% now: the list keeps getting updated, but only if you change something, so not too bad
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00:07:18peturI'll leave it like that for now
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00:08:59MarcGuaypetur: Testing rec_v16.
00:09:37MarcGuayGrr. :)
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00:13:53MarcGuayI find the filename looks a bit odd where it is now, but I understand your reasoning for it and can't think of anything better.
00:14:49MarcGuayUser instinct says "I can select it, now what can I do with it?"
00:16:16pixelmait was a bit of a compromise. We discussed here that having the filename line in the static part takes away precious space on the 64 pixels high displays - and was disabled for those for this reason. In current SVN it is shown though (IMO a bug but if this screen goes anyway)
00:17:06amiconnWhy is it selectable?
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00:17:17pixelmaif it's in the list, it is your choice if you want to see that or some other lines in the list part. But I agree on the "selectable"
00:17:31pixelmait's not, but it could feel this way
00:18:42amiconnMaybe lists need a way to have 'disabled' items, in addition to the overall read-only list option
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00:19:22amiconnOtoh it might be confusing if the bar suddenly disappears
00:19:43bluebrothergreyed out item? Would be an idea, at least on color targets.
00:20:03pixelmaamiconn: and to select them makes them scroll...
00:20:21bluebrotherI think I'd prefer a greyed out item than one that vanises (like the "recent bookmarks" entry in the main menu)
00:20:22amiconnIt doesn't need to be greyed out, just the selection bar wouldn't appear on it
00:20:24pixelmaor at least it shoulf
00:20:29pixelma*should too
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00:20:45amiconnGreying out won't work on 1-bit displays
00:21:05MarcGuayI'd rather have an oddly selectable item than a disappearing item.
00:21:10bluebrotheryep, as I said: on color targets ...
00:21:25rasherWouldn't it make more sense to skip it, and select the next item, rather than making the bar disappear?
00:21:35bluebrotherthinking of the odd greys of the h100 it might also not be the best idea to use greys there.
00:21:38MarcGuayWhat about non-selectable, always scrolling, first item in list?
00:21:46amiconnGreying out has another problem: how do you derive the colour to use, with all the theming stuff?
00:21:53pixelmaMarcGuay: the item wouldn't disappear just the bar
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00:22:23bluebrotherwell, the bar could become an outline instead. That would make some "grey" even on b/w targets.
00:22:41bluebrothercould be problematic with too tiny fonts though.
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00:23:33amiconnThere's another problem with making the bar disappear (or outline, whatever): how to handle the pointer cursor case?
00:23:49pixelmaor gradient bars
00:24:38pixelmaMarcGuay: hopefully such an item wouldn't be staticly on one line otherwise you will have the same problem again in the recording screen
00:26:14rasheramiconn: Why not just skip the item and select the next?
00:26:17amiconnAn always scrolling item would cause another problem wrt freezing the remote lcd
00:26:38rasherI don't think there *has* to be a visual clue
00:26:40amiconnrasher: The list should still be navigatable the standard way
00:27:12amiconnIf you just skip the disabled line, it would be unreadable if the list (e.g. in the recording screen) collapses to a single line
00:27:32rasherI don't see how that makes any sort of sense.
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00:28:12amiconnrasher: The recording screen patch uses a list for a lot of information
00:28:21ZambeziWill Rockbox work with a hacked iPod? Like if I'm replacing the harddrive in iPod Mini 2gen with a CF-card?
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00:28:28amiconnSome line are read-only info, some others are settings (e.g. gain)
00:29:12pixelmaI don't understand that collapsing thing either
00:29:39amiconnpixelma: Large font on a small screen (e.g. a user with low vision)
00:30:03rasherWhat makes the line unreadable though?
00:30:16pixelmawell, I think I slowly get it now
00:30:49rasherAh, I guess if you have multiple lines next to eachother
00:30:58amiconnrasher: The list code tries to keep the cursor visible. If the list only shows a single line, and it skips 'disabled' (read only) lines (our proposal) those lines would never become visible
00:31:02MarcGuay<pixelma>MarcGuay: the item wouldn't disappear just the bar −−- I meant the bar, pardon my poor wording.
00:31:25pixelmathe problem is the case where the list is only one line high and there's one line not selectable... or?
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00:33:54MarcGuayZambezi: It should. Check out the hardware section of the docs index, there are a few pages dealing with that.
00:34:37amiconnIt does. I have a mini 2nd Gen modded with a 32GB CF card, running rockbox
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00:35:53amiconnThe OF also works just fine with that (as far as I can test, i.e. just the gui)
00:36:02Zambeziamiconn: That's exactly what I'm planning to do. 32 GB vs 4 GB will be a major difference.
00:37:08Zambeziamiconn: I just need a heatgun to. I think the mod is possible to do even if I just made one tricky mod.
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00:40:28MarcGuaypetur: Regarding the original comment for the recscreen, the status bar now enables and disables nicely. Thanks.
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00:51:35WerderCanuckhi everyone. can somebody help me getting rockbox on my sansa c240? i use the rockbox utility, but when i select complete installation it downloads the bootloader but then i get an error, saying "failed to add bootloader"
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00:56:30BigBambiWerderCanuck: What is the original firmware version?
00:57:22WerderCanuckthe newest one i think
00:57:44BigBambiThat one isn't recognised by the released version of rbutil/sansapatcher
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00:58:08BigBambiYou will either need to build a newer version from the source, or downgrade the sansa firmware
00:58:25pixelma1.00.07 or 1.01.07... ;)
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00:59:05*pixelma adds a question mark
00:59:19WerderCanucknot exactly sure how to check the correct firmware version in msc mode...
00:59:29BigBambiIt is in system somewhere
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01:00:13BigBambisettings - system info
01:00:26BigBambi(in the OF)
01:01:36BigBambiSo my previous comment applies
01:02:07WerderCanuckhow do i downgrade then?
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01:10:21n9xvtfound a page omission,,
01:10:57n9xvtmissing sansa c series parts and wanted?,,maybe
01:11:23BigBambiWell, it is a wiki so feel free, but until someone has some is there much point?
01:11:25gevaertsn9xvt: the first person to have or want parts can add that
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01:12:58n9xvti'm learning mre and moe lte time,,,lolz
01:13:07BigBambiPlease use proper English
01:13:31n9xvtstupid wireless keyboard,,
01:13:58WerderCanuckso, downgraded to 1.01.06 and connected in msc mode. just start the utility and select auto complete installation?
01:14:08BigBambiHopefully :)
01:15:10WerderCanuckinstallation working now. thanks for your help BigBambi
01:15:19BigBambino problem, glad you got it working
01:15:34BigBambiThe next version of rbutil will work directly with 1.01.07
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01:19:09preglowanyone planning on a lang file cleanup before release?
01:20:29WerderCanuckhmmm cant find my music...
01:20:45BigBambiWhat USB mode did you copy it there in
01:21:02BigBambiYou need to do it in MSC
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01:21:31BigBambiAnd don't put it in the music folder - the OF hides that everytime you boot it which is annoying
01:21:38BigBambiUse anything else e.g. audio
01:21:52gevaertsOr just set rockbox to show everything :)
01:22:03BigBambiOr that
01:22:13BigBambiEither way, music transferred in MTP won't show up
01:22:56WerderCanuckno biggie, i'll just copy the music back to HD, delete and switch to msc
01:23:03n9xvtok well i'll have to register for wiki,,but tonight i've got a full plate,,just popped in to get the latest info-update-ed files,,,
01:24:27n9xvthow do you set it to show everything?,,I just go find the stuff i want from "files" in the main menu?
01:24:43BigBambiThe manual will tell you that
01:24:51BigBambiYou want the file view setting
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01:44:23WerderCanuckdo i have to boot into OF when im just charging?
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01:45:47JdGordonpixelma: MarcGuay: imo if there is enough room for say 4 lines in the list part, the filename should go at the top of the screen and not in the list
01:50:04SoapAnyone feel more qualified than I to start the WhyRealNames wiki page?
01:50:22SoapBigBambi? MarcGuay? Both you two have a way with words.
01:51:54BigBambiSoap: I'm just off to bed, but I'm travelling tomorrow so have lots of time to do stuff like that. I'll have a bash tomorrow if nobody already has
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02:41:23allelellorean, you mentioned that plugins that take up too much ram will interrupt playback. would combining integers (instead of x and y int coord xxxyyy) reduce the amount of ram needed?
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02:51:20SoapZambezi, what part of the mod do you need a torch for?
02:51:49Soap(Or do you mean "torch" an in what yanks call "flashlights")?
02:53:19JdGordonallele: not enough to make a difference... and could make it worse
02:54:54allelefair enough, any other solutions out there that might help?
02:56:07alleleI was thinking about the possibility of a pseudo swap file, but that's not good for flash based memory
02:56:57Soaprasher, (or someone else) - can I have some context clues for attempting to translate "LANG_AGC_DJSET"?
02:57:22Soap"DJ-Set (slow)" doesn't parse in my mind well. Trying to relay the context to a Japanese speaker.
02:58:41SoapI guess, part of the question is - what is the difference between the "DJ-set" slow responding AGC setting and the "Live" slow responding AGC setting?
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03:00:47ZambeziSoap: I just said I need a heatgun, but I haven't looked on the details yet. I won't before I can afford to buy the CF-card.
03:03:07Soapthat's right - heatgun - what for?
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03:07:38allelejdGordon: my plugin uses a couple fairly large matrices, do you think it would make a difference if I had each one in its own plugin and just called it from the main plugin?
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03:13:55ZambeziSoap: Maybe it said Hot gluegun. That might explain it. ;-)
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03:31:10linuxstballele: How much RAM does your plugin need? Do you get an error when you try and compile it?
03:32:36alleleno, it compiles fine and runs fine, but its not able to play music while in use
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03:33:36linuxstballele: Are you calling the function to use the audio buffer in your plugin?
03:34:05alleleno, that could be my problem
03:34:22linuxstbNo, that's not the problem... If you're not calling it, audio playback should continue.
03:34:35linuxstbAre you calling rb->yield() at all?
03:35:30allelecould that be it?
03:35:33linuxstbRockbox uses co-operative multi-tasking, so if you don't call yield (or sleep, or core functions which call either of them), then you will hog the CPU
03:36:24allelealright, I'll look into that then, thank you :D
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05:40:50MrWizeGuy1983is this room for mp3 player support on linux?
05:41:56tessaraktnot really
05:42:04MrWizeGuy1983oh, someone said i should go here
05:42:10MrWizeGuy1983any idea where i can go?
05:42:16tessaraktit's for an alternative MP3 player firmware named Rockbox
05:42:26tessaraktwhich for all I know is not Linux-based
05:42:33MrWizeGuy1983didn't know
05:42:42tessaraktnever mind
05:43:00MrWizeGuy1983any idea where i should go for help getting my mp3 player to work on ubuntu? the people in the ubuntu room didn't know
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07:15:57cjesu_haloI would like to have an information on rockbox for the sansa e200 series but V2
07:16:21cjesu_haloit is very hard to follow it's devellopemen
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09:10:44rasherSoap: "DJ-Set (slow)" is an AGC setting
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09:12:16vitjalinuxstb, I want to submit patch with basic iaudio7 support
09:12:27vitjalinuxstb, where can I send it?
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09:16:05pixelmapreglow: in the norsk.lang update you committed, there now seem to be some already strings missing now (probably the ones that had "" instead of none in the default part but already something in 'featurexyz:', the latter is missing)
09:16:17GodEatervitja: place in on the patch tracker
09:17:57vitja gives me a blank page
09:19:37GodEatertry that
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09:32:32pixelmapreglow: I meant some "already translated strings"
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09:42:17rasherpixelma: Seems like there's a problem with my script then, can you give an example ID?
09:43:36pixelmaisn't that the thing you explained yesterday to me? See the first 2 phrases in the diff
09:44:49rasherpixelma: Those are voice strings that shouldn't be there (because they aren't used)
09:47:36rasherenglish.lang doesn't define a voice string for LANG_CONFIRM_SHUTDOWN
09:48:10pixelmaoh, sorry then (to preglow too). Should've checked...
09:51:40rasherBetter to notify us of something that isn't a problem, that not notify us of something that is a problem
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11:10:45robin0800charge_e200_17614.patch seems to be missing in the tracker can't find it in opened or closed patches
11:12:09Zagorrobin0800: do you know which task it is supposed to be attached to?
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11:14:47Zagori mean which task number
11:15:04robin0800It was a proof of concept perhaps the author's withdrawn it
11:16:31Zagorthere is no task number 17614
11:16:53Zagordid you mean svn revision?
11:17:24Zagorbasically, where did you hear about this file and that it is supposed to be in our tracker?
11:19:20robin0800It was in patches I have the patch but it doesn't seem to work I was checking for an update before posting comments
11:22:39pixelmajust played around with some search strings
11:24:22Zagorpixelma: thanks
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11:25:26robin0800thank you the other number is a revision number not the patch
11:25:46*pixelma hands robin0800 some punctuation
11:27:10gevaertsWhat's wrong with that attachment? I can get it just fine
11:27:56pixelmahe didn't find it when searching for the xyz.patch string
11:28:30pixelmamaybe flyspray doesn't search the name of attached files
11:28:49robin0800No update, dosn't look like rockbox is going to have charging for the sansa any time soon
11:29:50peturthe patch doesn't work or doesn't apply?
11:29:56gevaertsNo new patch maybe, but the latest comments show a clear plan, and are only five days old...
11:30:00robin0800Usb mass storage I tried as well, this also dosn't work
11:30:33gevaertstried in what way? What doesn't work?
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11:32:06robin0800The Patch applies fine, no errors, Wps shows charging. Left on overnight no change in battery level
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11:32:20gevaertsI mean Usb mass storage
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11:36:06robin0800Usb mass storage, can be enabled, windows finds the two usb devices, is very slow to open the micro hdsc card and updating rockbox copying the .rockbox folder falls over and is slow
11:37:12gevaertsSo not exactly "doesn't work" then...
11:37:25gevaertsHave you tried a different usb port?
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11:39:35robin0800gevaerts, no but I wired my front usb ports and they work perfectly, at fullspeed and never see any errors
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11:40:25robin0800gevaerts,errors until this problem
11:42:29gevaertsThere still are some problems that make usb work badly with some usb ports.
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11:46:16robin0800gevaerts,this patch FS #8562 - USB storage driver work, may help don't know
11:46:31gevaertsNo. Everything there is in svn
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11:49:24robin0800FS #8562 is not closed and don't think its been commited
11:49:48gevaertsLook, I wrote the code, so I know what's been committed or not for this
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11:50:53robin0800gevaerts,sorry why is patch still open?
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11:51:32gevaertsTo have a place to put new experimental patches that try to solve these issues. No sense in opening new tasks every week
11:52:18robin0800gevaerts,so is this patch needed?
11:52:53gevaertsThere is currently no patch that contains code not in svn
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11:54:52robin0800gevaerts,so you only have to enable Mass Storage as per correct?
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12:08:07linuxstbBagder: Yes, it looks good - I've a couple of very minor comments, but will try and commit tonight.
12:08:18Bagdervery nice to see
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12:18:08Soaprasher, I totally grok that "DJ-Set (slow)" is an AGC setting - how is it different than "Live (slow)"?
12:19:32SoapIs the only difference the target headroom?
12:21:45SoapI ask because I'm helping a friend with context for the Japanese translation. Looking over the manual again, I'm thinking perhaps the goal for the AGC settings should be as literal of a translation as possible and let the manual explain what they mean vs a "descriptive" translation - which makes my question null and void.
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13:24:24peturSoap: I'm not a big fan of those AGC settings names either
13:24:52peturand, btw, do not let him translate the sysfont variants of them, they will be gone very soon :)
13:28:25amiconnpetur: Regarding you remote freeze problem - do you think it would make sense to have a general lcd_remote_freeze(bool on) function?
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13:29:11amiconnThis would just make any lcd_remote_update[_rect]() call effectively do nothing (and issue an lcd_remote_update() on unfreeze)
13:29:31peturamiconn: yes, that would be a mich nicer solution. But not in this patch ;)
13:31:47peturehm *much
13:31:50amiconnThe same solution could be applied to the main lcd on archoses with radio (radio screen has a freeze option there, as the lcd updates interfere with reception: reportedly noticeable on recorder fm (samsung tuner), very noticeable on Ondio FM with samsung tuner, and sometimes noticeable on Ondio FM with philips tuner)
13:32:30peturdidn't know that...
13:32:53amiconnThe samsung tuner is very sensitive to interference, much more than the philips
13:33:18amiconnOndio FM with old tuner is more affected than the fmrecorder because everything is packed more closely together
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13:37:05amiconnThe samsung tuner is so sensitive that it even picks up interference from the MAS PLL if the reception frequency is an integer multiple of it (usually 4x MAS_PLL_FREQ falls into the FM reception range). Due to this, the archos OF (and rockbox too) slightly shifts the mas pll frequency away if you tune to a multiple of it
13:37:30amiconnThis causes a slight pitch shift if you then record from fm, but still better than having the interference...
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13:48:50wpyhanyone working on the onda port?
13:49:02wpyhI've made some dicoveries regarding the vx767
13:54:41wpyhno one? ok
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13:55:36wpyhmcuelenaere: the 65 MB device exposed by the vx767 is actually an IHFS image. I've looked at it and understood the format (except for some minor details). do you want to take a look?
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14:03:07wpyhmcuelenare: so if I'm right, the recovery procedure is as follows: 1. the device is plugged in in the "jz boot device" mode, 2. send some binary files to device (like the "usbtool 6" procedure, but I need to look at the logs first), 3. the device resets itself and comes up as a mass storage device, with a size of 65 MB, 4. write the IHFS image, 5. disconnect the device, it will boot from the IHFS image
14:03:21wpyhthe IHFS image contains the same set of files as the firmware upgrade (HXF) file
14:03:44wpyhI've written a tool to split an IHFS image, but I haven't written one to create one yet :p
14:04:34wpyhand btw, I find that VirtualBox (the closed source edition) is useful in this case −− it can almost correctly emulate the usb, so I can examine and restore the device on Linux :)
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14:14:09wpyhand one more thing: IHFS is actually more like an archive format (like tar) rather than a filesystem
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14:28:27mcuelenaerewpyh: very interesting :)
14:28:47mcuelenaerebah he just left
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14:56:58jmworxpreglow: ping
14:58:58mcuelenaerewpyh (if you read logs): does the IHFS resemble the HXF structure completely perhaps? if so, there are tools for it to extract and join in SVN..
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15:38:02preglowjmworx: yo
15:38:42preglowpixelma: like which?
15:38:44jmworxpreglow: I'm trying to do some footprint reduction in Speex and I was curious to know whether you'd done anything for that
15:39:05preglowjmworx: hmm, no, nothing you could reuse, speex is already plenty small enough for us :)
15:39:10pixelmapreglow: ignore that
15:39:19preglowpixelma: can do ;)
15:39:55jmworxpreglow: in case it's useful, I'm also trying to have the modes "self-contained", i.e. to only allocate a single block
15:40:31preglowthis reminds me i haven't synced rockbox speex in a while
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16:09:01mcuelenaereI have some questions regarding Rockbox's GPLv2 and Creative's copyright
16:09:10mcuelenaere is a copy of it
16:09:23mcuelenaerelook at 10. Decompiling, Disassembling, or Reverse Engineering
16:09:39mcuelenaerethey state "you may not decompile, (..) or engage in any other activities to obtain underlying information that is not visible to the user in connection with normal use of the Software"
16:09:48mcuelenaerecould this be a problem?
16:11:05peturfor you as a person, maybe. You shouldn't post disassembled stuff on the net...
16:11:48peturbut in some countries this probably doesn't apply...
16:12:15LinusNwhat software is this?
16:12:39mcuelenaereyou need to Agree to this when download Firmware upgrades for Creative devices
16:13:10mcuelenaerepetur: hmm then I should delete some posts in the Rockbox wiko
16:13:46peturDoesn't Sweden allow RE?
16:13:48mcuelenaereor is it legal to just link to pastebin?
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16:40:37peturnot any more :)
16:40:37webguest58petur: ok
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16:42:12mcuelenaerewebguest58: regarding your question, I suppose you already have a dev environment set up and checked SVN sources out?
16:43:15webguest58mcuelenaere: good supositions
16:44:07peturwebguest58: check the wiki, there is this 'For Developers' section that has a lot of info
16:45:05linuxstbwebguest58: Read the README file in the sansapatcher source directory. If you want to cross-compile sansapatcher.exe from Linux, you need to the install the "mingw32" cross-compiler and then type "make sansapatcher.exe"
16:45:47webguest58petur: I searched a bit for sansapatcher but didn't find...
16:46:03mcuelenaerewebguest58: like linuxstb said, the README says it all
16:46:14webguest58linuxstb:ok, I'am reading
16:46:39rasherpetur: Perhaps the AGC modes should be named more descriptively, rather than with an example
16:47:22webguest58all is here, thanks to you
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16:48:44peturrasher: agreed - but will look at it after the recscreen changes, otherwise it is too many changes at once
16:49:13jmworxpreglow: what did you do about disabling the encoder?
16:49:30jmworx(I'm currently adding a bunch of #ifdefs)
16:50:42jvm_hi. i tried to build rockbox from svn for an arm architecture (ipod nano); the uisimulator built successfully, but when i chose 'Normal', i get this error while compiling: /usr/local/arm-elf/lib/gcc/arm-elf/4.0.3/../../../../arm-elf/bin/ld: /home/jvm/Desktop/rockbox/build/apps/lang.o: Relocations in generic ELF (EM: 3); /home/jvm/Desktop/rockbox/build/apps/lang.o: could not read symbols: File in wrong format
16:51:03jvm_i would be grateful for any hints?
16:51:34gevaertsDid you run make clean between the uisimulator and normal builds ?
16:51:44jvm_let me try.
16:52:30peturjvm_: it is best to build sim and target in different directories
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16:53:13jvm_petur, thanks for the info. maybe it would be a good idea to underline this a little bit more in the manual.
16:53:48peturmanual or wiki? You can get wiki write access if you want ;)
16:55:53webguest58is that normal that I have warnings when building sansas bootloader?
16:56:07webguest58fresh svn, no patches
16:56:43mcuelenaerewebguest58: I don't think so:
16:57:17gevaertswebguest58: did you run configure before setting the PATH correctly ?
16:58:00webguest58I typed configure when I was in the good direectorie
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16:58:53webguest58errors in lcd_yux_420_lines function
16:59:56webguest58multiple definition of lcd_write_yuv_420_lines ...
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18:36:52mcuelenaereah yes gevaerts: there was someone (vitja) a couple of days agoo who asked for some USB porting help for the TCC7x targets (iAudio 7)
18:37:11mcuelenaereI don't know if he still has problems or how far he got, but if he shows up..
18:37:30gevaertsYes, linuxstb told me.
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18:43:35rasheramiconn: Seen the updates in FS #9148? I'm pretty sure he's having some sort of multibyte problem with his TTS engine or Windows, but I can't quite grok what
18:44:44amiconnWhy the flaming hell does email notification from the tracker not work?
18:45:11rasherI seem to be getting the mails
18:45:35pixelmaworks for me too
18:45:36rasherNow he added escaping to, which is likely to break other languages, I presume
18:45:46rasherAnd I still don't understand what's going on, really
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18:49:20amiconnI don't understand it either. The change in sapi_voice.vbs would break it for all other languages as well
18:49:48amiconnEither his japanese.lang isn't utf-8, or japanese windows does something weird I don't know and can't verify either
18:50:57amiconnWindows (32 bit and up) always uses unicode internally, but UTF-16
18:51:21rasherBut we already handle that, right?
18:51:24amiconnOur voice files are UTF-8, and passing the strings from perl to vbscript auto-extends them to utf-8
18:51:30amiconnErr, utf-16
18:51:57*rasher checks the langfile he just uploaded
18:52:05amiconnBut since windows doesn't know the source is utf-8, it expands the stuff as if it were iso8859-1 (or more precisely, win1252)
18:52:29rasherOh dear. Won't that be it, then?
18:52:49amiconnNo, that's what UTF8decode() in sapi_voice.vbs is about
18:53:04rasherBut maybe Japanese windows doesn't assume win1252?
18:53:25rasherWouldn't be completely surprising, really
18:53:26amiconnBut what does it assume, then?
18:53:36amiconnI wonder what russian windows does here
18:53:49rasherThe local character set, whichever that is?
18:54:06amiconnSo far we had no report regarding sapi voice building not working for russian, afaik
18:54:13rasherHas anyone tried?
18:54:54rasherAlso, given that russian is slightly less exotic, it's still somewhat plausible that windows might have different behavior in Japanese
18:55:04amiconnThe weird thing is that while the windows console *can* handle utf-8, there is no way (I know of) to set utf-8 support anywhere else
18:55:55amiconnAnd for the windows console, you can only set utf-8 support via a program using it (that's what the win32 sims do), and the console must be using ttf fonts in order for utf-8 support to work
18:55:55rasherThe language file is certainly in UTF-8
18:56:31amiconnI wonder what the extend-to-16-bit-on-passing does on japanese windows, then
18:56:35rasherSo I suppose we can quite safely assume that his windows is translating from something else?
18:56:59rasherMaybe a few test-scripts are in order?
18:57:03amiconnI also wonder whether that behaviour can be changed, and how
18:57:51rasherI'm not going to be much help there
18:58:19rasherShould I go open a new task so we can track that seperately?
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19:00:39amiconnThe escape idea is in fact not bad - it removes the uncertainty regarding charsets on string passing
19:01:19*rasher looks at it again
19:01:47rasherAh, he escapes to byte-values..
19:02:14amiconnYes, and then the change in sapi_voice.vbs makes sense. It's just not very elegant
19:02:25rasherThat's rather nasty, really :\ But if that's the only way we can be sure Windows gets the right values, I guess that's what we'll have to do
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19:06:30amiconnrasher: Does perl have a function to convert utf-8 to utf-16?
19:06:41rasherI should hope so
19:06:43amiconnThis would save us quite some work in the .vbs
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19:07:42rasherI do remember that Perl is too clever for its own good when it comes to characters sets though. It might not be as easy as it should be. I'll have a look
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19:12:09rasherUgh, I just discovered an old patch on the tracker that I should've fixed and committed ages ago, related to character sets
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19:13:35amiconnHmm, I wonder whether we can assume perl 5.8 or higher...
19:13:35rasheramiconn: Wouldn't correct_string be a reasonable place to do character set conversion? That means we can do it as fine-grained as we like (this one in the tracker needs latin-1 for Viavoice on Linux)
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19:15:14rasheramiconn: it was released 6 before the Rockbox project started (or just about). I should hope people have updated by now.
19:15:30rasherScratch the 6
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19:17:01rasher5.8.0 2002-Jul-18
19:17:09rasherMaybe I have my history wrong, but it was a LONG time ago at any rate
19:17:45gevaertsThat's three whole weeks after rockbox 1.0
19:18:37*amiconn thought it was newer, for some reason...
19:19:11amiconnMy cygwin installation has perl 5.10.0 now, but I do update it frequently...
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19:22:42rasheramiconn: Something like this: (untested, but the idea)
19:23:26amiconnI was thinking about using perl IO layers to set the encoding
19:23:38amiconnNo additional module or function call needed for this
19:23:50rasherBut another layer of magic :\
19:24:10amiconnIf passing plain utf-16 to the script works, everything becomes simpler than it is now
19:25:58rasherI guess the encoding layer idea works, but "my" method allows us to do it per-tts (which is needed for FS #8589 which I stumbled over)
19:26:12rasherThat is, if it actually works. I've no idea if that's the case.
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19:26:55amiconnIt could still be used per tts
19:28:21rasherTrue. It's unlikely to be needed for a lot of cases anyway.
19:29:06rasherDo you want to have a go at it? I don't have a setup to create SAPI voices, and I'm afraid of touching the .vbs anyway
19:29:47amiconnI'm trying it as we speak
19:30:04amiconnBah, using // for a comment certainly won't work in vbs...
19:32:49amiconnHmm, that doesn't work...
19:33:11*amiconn needs to read up a bit on vbscript and its standard io streams
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19:39:46amiconnIt might be possible to do this using the FileSystemObject. It allows opening the standard streams in unicode mode
19:39:52*amiconn will try this
19:42:48peturthere is something really weird going on in the viewport code...
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19:43:29peturafter a few executions a certain call to clear_viewport() is no longer done
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19:49:03amiconn(or the respective screen api thing)
19:49:16peturthat's it probably... thanks
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19:53:07rasherglobi: Do you have a question?
19:54:01globirasher: no
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20:06:22amiconnrasher: Perl seems to be unaware that the strings are utf-8
20:06:42amiconnIiuc utf-8 is the standard encoding in perl, so I wonder why...
20:07:06rasheramiconn: I guess it doesn't make assumptions for stuff it gets from the outside?
20:07:28amiconnI'm not sure how this works
20:07:33Bagderuse open IN => ':utf8';
20:07:55amiconnIiuc the line that reads the voice strings is for (`$cmd`)
20:08:11amiconn...i.e. uses backticking and catches the command's stdout?
20:08:38rasherAnd puts it in $_, one line at a time
20:08:43Bagderthat works, but the line I just posted is needed to tell perl to treat the input as utf8
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20:09:22amiconnBut if I change this, other tts engines might break
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20:09:57rasherI doubt it - the input won't change, Perl will just be AWARE that it's utf8, rather than blindly passing it along
20:10:06rasherAgain, iiuc.
20:11:12amiconnrasher: But then it would need to know it should output utf-8 as well (by default - changeable per engine later)
20:11:47rasherWon't it do that by default, then? I'm guessing here though..
20:13:11amiconnWhy would it do that by default for stdout, but not stdin?
20:13:36amiconnI guess these things can't be tested on a recent linux, as linux usually sets utf-8 anyway
20:13:58Bagderit's easy to change to any other charset in a terminal
20:14:17BagderI mean encodig
20:15:26rasheramiconn: Outputting is different from input, in that perl doesn't have to make assumptions for input. It can simply say "these are bytes, I don't know what they are", but for output, it will default to using UTF8
20:15:38amiconnIf I do this, in addition to use binmode() to set the encoding for passing data to the vbscript, and using stdin in unicode mode within the vbs, UTF8decode() can go :)
20:16:28amiconnThat is: use open IN => ':utf8'; at the top, together with the other use ... things
20:16:31num1what does LAN_CROSSFEED "Crossfeed" indicate? Is this the time between two songs where both are playing at the same time?
20:16:52amiconnbinmode(*CMD_IN, ':encoding(utf16)'); in init_tts() for sapi
20:17:29amiconn...and using FileSystemObject to get access to STDIN in unicode mode in the .vbs
20:18:13num1this whole menu confuses me, Settings->Sound Settings->Crossfeed, what is crossfeed?
20:18:29amiconnNow the questions are (1) whether this works on japanese windows and (2) whether this breaks other tts engines
20:18:30bertrikcrossfeed blends some sound from the left channel into the right channel and vice versa
20:18:54amiconn((2) could only be due to the use open IN thing)
20:18:56num1also what is dithering? Settings->Sound Settings->Dithering
20:19:03bertrikcrossfade fades out the old song while fading in a new song
20:20:08num1bertrik: thank you. Can you explain what direct gain, cross gain, high frequency attentuation and high-frequency cutoff are?
20:20:20bertrikdithering adds a tiny bit of noise to improve effective resolution
20:21:16num1bertrik: sorry but that went way over my head
20:21:55bertriknum1, isn't it explained in the manual?
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20:25:11amiconnAnd there's indeed a bug in the vbscript regarding the unknown vendor warning
20:25:19amiconnIt has to be written to stderr, not stdout
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20:38:02wpyhmcuelenaere: how unfortunate :p
20:38:34wpyhmcuelenaere: I think I'd just put it on pastebin; here's the document describing the IHFS format:
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20:39:51wpyhmcuelenaere: and here's the source for ihfs_split, the tool for splitting an IHFS image into files:
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20:42:57wpyhmcuelenaere: regarding your question: HXF and IHFS are very different; I haven't read the source for HXFsplit, but I can see that it doesn't have the same logic / structure as IHFS... however, they are related (for example, the FW revision/timestamp), so I think it would be useful to have some kind of hxf2ihfs utility
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20:47:00wpyhI've also experimented some more with the OF... it will complain if we try to reflash using the same firmware and refuse to flash it. however, I found that if I change the timestamp in the hxf file, then it will reflash the firmware. so I think the timestamp is used to identify same firmware versions and avoid flashing it twice
20:47:13wpyhsorry for my bad english, I'm very sleepy right now
20:47:43AceNikcan anyone help me with a hardware problem i just need 5 minutes in private
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20:48:53amiconnrasher: Could you perhaps check something for me (regarding the non-working notifications)?
20:49:10rasheramiconn: I can try
20:49:53amiconnIf you're logged into fs, you can edit your profile by clicking on your name. I'd like to know what 'Notify type' you have set
20:50:15rasheramiconn: That's set to Email
20:50:32wpyhmcuelenaere: looking at the firmware flashing screen, I think there is even some kind of hxf2ihfs routine inside the firmware :p
20:50:33amiconnInteresting. Mine is set to 'None', which explains why I don't get emails.
20:50:35AceNikamiconn u have an h10 right ?
20:50:48rasheramiconn: That would probably do it yes
20:51:01amiconnBut I don't understand _why_ it's set to 'None'. It _definitely_ used to work earlier
20:54:21linuxstbamiconn: I think the same happened to me - I used to have notifications set to email, then they stopped (probably about 6 months or more ago). But I didn't care, as I subscribe to the mailing list so get them all. Maybe the settings got reset as the result of a flyspray upgrade?
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21:08:35amiconnrasher: Patch is up now (I almost overlooked that you've moved the code part to a new task...)
21:09:55rasheramiconn: I'll see what I can do to test it
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21:14:25amiconnMeh. 'svn diff' is clever enough to cope with both LF and CRLF formatted files. 'patch', however, is not
21:14:54rasheramiconn: a buildlog with V=1 seems to suggest it's passing things correctly as UTF8. I can't test the actual voice file though, because I don't have a Danish tts
21:15:46amiconnDid 'patch' work for you?
21:15:54rasherNo problems there
21:15:58amiconnI get failed hunks...
21:16:19agaffneyamiconn: did you try −−ignore-whitespace?
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21:19:08amiconnAh, using −−binary does the trick
21:19:18amiconnWeird, but if it works...
21:19:24*amiconn will add a comment
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21:24:25amiconnrasher: V=1 is what I used to test my changes (building a german voice file), and the resulting voice file works properly (including the tts specific corrections)
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21:25:08mcuelenaerewpyh: damn, I missed you again :)
21:25:14mcuelenaere(for the logs)
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22:17:23pixelmaare the peakmeters still two lines in every case?
22:18:12peturwant it as a setting?
22:19:40petur\o/ green :)
22:19:54*petur now waits for the green delta
22:20:13pixelmait just feels like such a waste on the small screens/with a big font. I don't know, a setting isn't nice either
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22:21:59*rasher wonders about the ZVM deltas
22:23:14petursomething flipped over a boundary?
22:23:38peturmeh, I thought the gain was more...
22:23:57rasherOr some sort of host-dependent thing, check the ZVM 30GB further down
22:24:03pixelmaseen those jumping in big steps lately (some alignment issue or so?)
22:24:04mcuelenaererasher: it's a known bug
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22:25:07peturpixelma: what do you suggest? Have single-line peakmeters if lcd height is below xx ?
22:25:46pixelmacoldfire targets have the biggest binsize decrease
22:26:50pixelmapetur: maybe not depending on lcd height but on how many lines fit
22:27:27pixelma(if that is possible)
22:27:46peturyou mean if 4 fit, use 1 line for pm and 1 for list; if 5 fit use 1 for pm and 2 for list,...
22:29:19peturanyway, one of the reasons I stuck with 2 lines was because of the optional clipcounter in front of it ;)
22:29:46peturand what to do with the trigger bar?
22:30:25peturwe will be in special screen positioning hell before we know it :(
22:34:26pixelmayou should see them on the Archos screen (with nedore-9)...
22:34:48rasherShouldn't people in docs/MAINTAINERS be committers, ideally?
22:34:52pixelmaor maybe on an Iriver remote (though these are at least a bit wider
22:35:21rasherI guess it's not necessary for translation maintainers, it just feels a bit wrong.
22:36:00peturpixelma: I checked on my iriver remote and it looked fine
22:36:25peturI expect to get requests soon about doubling the height ;)
22:36:54pixelmahave square peakmeters? :\
22:37:11pixelmaand nothing else on the screen?
22:41:14pixelmapetur: imagine the 2 line peakmeters on the Iriver remote to only be 90 pixels wide with the same height, and you'll get a better idea on how they look on an Archos screen
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22:42:24mcuelenaeredoes docs/MAINTAINERS also contain ports-in-progress?
22:45:06pixelmapetur: I can understand the special casing argument though (same as with the filename line). It just looks wrong (to me) but ok...
22:45:36peturpixelma: I will certainly think about a solution
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23:04:26linuxstbrasher: Are there many translators in MAINTAINERS but not COMMITTERS? There are two ways to fix that...
23:05:04rasherlinuxstb: I just noticed the Finnish translator. I don't know if it's a problem, really. It just struck me as odd
23:05:13Bagdermcuelenaere: I don't think that would hurt...
23:05:25linuxstbI agree, it does feel a bit odd. But not a big deal.
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23:25:35quigonanyone knows where I can download this file: I'm getting an error as
23:25:35quigonBandwidth Limit Exceeded
23:26:19Bagderwhat is that?
23:27:02quigonis a tool to convert an iTunde db to the database of RockBox
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23:31:58bluebrotherquigon: well, you noticed the red note at the top of that page?
23:32:12quigonlet me see... hehe
23:33:03quigonwell, great, now I've to see where I find it.
23:33:25Bagderquigon: I don't think there exists an updated version
23:33:31Bagderand you don't really need one
23:33:52quigonDo you think, that I can play the music with out that?
23:34:07Bagderrockbox can make its own db from the files you have, yes
23:34:32quigonbut the things, that this files has randoms names, and are writed in the iTunes DB
23:35:04Bagderyes, but you know what? the files still know the artist and title etc
23:35:14Bagderby shear magic I hear
23:35:23Bagderor was it id3 tags?
23:35:24quigonyes, I'm seeing, I've it now
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23:35:45quigonI don't know what I touch....
23:35:50bluebrotherBagder: no, Rockbox uses a crystal ball ;-)
23:36:14Bagderthe very latest crystal ball technology is awesome!
23:36:45Bagderquigon: but really, how to make the db is described in the manual
23:37:07quigonok, thanks a lot!
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23:37:20bluebrotherof course this requires use of a crystal ball, but fortunately Rockbox is capable of doing that for you *g*
23:37:23BoD[]Hello, World!
23:37:45bluebrotherhmm. There is no user world in this channel ...
23:37:47BoD[]Hey can anyone explain to me this sentence on the CustomWPS page: "Note: Viewports can share identifiers so you don't end up with bloated code like %?C<%Vda%Vdb%Vdc|%Vde%Vdf%Vdg>. "
23:38:16BoD[]how can a declaration identifier be shared?
23:38:31linuxstbBoD[]: I guess it means you can define two different viewports with the same name
23:38:43linuxstbi.e. it's not a unique identifier
23:38:58BoD[]ok but then how is it displayed?
23:39:11linuxstb%Vda will display all the "a" viewports
23:40:08linuxstbI guess a positive example (i.e. what you _can_ do) would have been more useful than an example of what you can't do.
23:41:39quigonguys, thanks for the help, I can hear all my Music now!
23:41:44quigonmay the force be with you!
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23:42:22BoD[]the thing I don't understand is that the content of the viewport is what is after the viewport display directive
23:42:35BoD[]so if you display them all in one directive
23:42:41BoD[]then what about the content?
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23:43:41linuxstbBoD[]: I don't understand what you don't understand... The content of a viewport is what is between two %V (or %Vl) tags.
23:43:54linuxstb(or between a %V and the end of the .wps file)
23:44:39jvm_i want to develop a simple application for rockbox. any hints where i should start?
23:44:49BoD[]I don't know I guess I'm just tired :)
23:44:52jvm_is there an api documentation somewhere?
23:44:52linuxstbjvm_: apps/plugins/hello_world.c
23:45:17BoD[]it's just I've been trying to have a viewport for album art and another one for no album art, and I can't make it work
23:45:18linuxstbAnd the source to the other plugins, and maybe there is some info on the wiki. There is a GraphicsAPI wiki page.
23:45:26BoD[]should be simple!
23:45:44BoD[]I'll try again tomorrow
23:45:46linuxstbBoD[]: Have you tried looking at other WPSs that have that feature?
23:46:08BoD[]but they have severa %Vl|a and I don't get it :))
23:46:13jvm_what would i have to do to see the hello_world plugin in the rockbox menu?
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23:46:41linuxstbjvm_: Add "hello_world.c" to apps/plugins/SOURCES, then compile and install Rockbox.
23:46:59linuxstbOr rather, helloworld.c
23:47:21jvm_thank you, linuxstb
23:48:15jvm_linuxstb, are the stdio file functions supported?
23:48:38linuxstbopen/read/write are
23:49:32linuxstbYou need to access all core functions via the plugin api - i.e. "rb->functionname();" See plugin.h for the available functions. We try to be POSIX compliant as much as possible.
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23:50:15linuxstbIf you look on the wiki, I think there are also one or two guides to writing plugins
23:52:51BoD[]ok my viewport is working
23:52:57jvm_how does the file structure look like? i mean, if i do rb->open(path, flags), what does the path have to be to access the text file in root?
23:53:37safetydanjvm_: / is root so /
23:53:39BoD[]thanks guys
23:55:06jvm_i saw /rocks/apps/dict.desc in the dict.c plugin. does this realy mean, that there has to be an rocks/apps/ directory, or is /rocks for example mapped to the rockbox data directory?
23:55:43linuxstb"rocks" lives inside the .rockbox directory - I would expect the dict.c to specify that
23:56:09linuxstbIt does - ROCKBOX_DIR
23:56:24jvm_yeah, didn't look properly.
23:57:20jvm_thanks linuxstb and safetydan, you were a big help. bye.
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23:57:34*linuxstb awaits the patch

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