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#rockbox log for 2008-08-07

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01:00:16Hironiemusis anyone here working with the Iaudio 7 rockbox port?
01:01:05HironiemusBecause on the site I read, you can enter usb boot mode by pressing menu while plugging it into the computer
01:01:24Hironiemusi just found out, this also works by pressing volume up
01:02:29Hironiemusi don't know anything about this stuff just thought it might help
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01:11:50mcuelenaereHironiemus: have you seen the forum thread?
01:11:58mcuelenaere(about the iAudio 7 port)
01:12:17Hironiemusi think i read it a while ago
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01:12:52mcuelenaereyou should post this information there, if it isn't already there
01:16:57Hironiemusi just read it now, they don't really seem to need that information
01:17:39Hironiemusthe problem is i don't want to register to every forum just for posting one or two things
01:17:48Hironiemusso i leave it most of the time
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01:27:30Strife89If I build a simulator on Windows, put its files on a flash drive (without Cygwin), and attempt to run the sim on another computer, will it run?
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01:39:43pixelmaStrife89: yes, on another windows one and it would also need the sdl.dll
01:40:48Strife89pixelma: Alright, I'll have to try that out sometime.
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02:48:44agaffneyso, I found a reproducible "freeze" on my sansa e260 with a particular song
02:48:56agaffneyeven after database rebuilds and generating new playlists
02:49:04agaffneywhenever it comes to this MP3, the interface locks up
02:49:08agaffneythe song will keep playing
02:49:15agaffneysometimes stopping in the middle
02:49:19agaffneyother times getting to the end
02:49:28agaffneybut once the song starts, the interface is unresponsive
02:49:35agaffneyexcept to turn the screen on with any button press
02:49:43agaffneyor power it off after holding the power button for 10 seconds
02:50:01agaffneythis has happened with multiple builds from the past few months
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03:50:39drfsupercenterHey guys, one little problem I found in Rockbox
03:51:01drfsupercenterI have it on a e200 series Sansa... and if I play .flac songs, if I start the song over, it freezes about halfway through
03:51:12drfsupercenterAnd just sounds like a skipping CD... won't do anything unless I change the song
03:51:30drfsupercenterAnd the only way I can find to fix is to actually go into the database and select the song again if I want to listen to it more than once
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04:01:58wpyhmcuelenaere: blame the timezone :p
04:02:25wpyhmcuelenaere: I haven't asked him yet... been travelling for the past week and I completely forgot :p will ask :)
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04:23:57wpyhmcuelenaere: may I suggest one thing for the HXFsplit and such utilities? how about replacing the tabs with multiple spaces? currently it's a mixture of tabs and spaces, so it looks ugly on (my) vi...
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05:15:55tonybaloney867Hey everyone :)
05:17:02tonybaloney867I'm trying to figure out whether I can temporarily copy my music off my ipod mini, store it on my hard drive temporarily to make room for a series of video files I need to transfer, and then copy the music back once done.
05:17:41tonybaloney867My question, I guess, is this: does the Rockbox database use path names or cluster numbers to point to files? I'd rather not have to rebuild the database if I can avoid it
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05:36:30JdGordon_tonybaloney867: i'm 99% sure it uses filenames
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05:37:35tonybaloney867okay, cool. I'll see if it works :)
05:41:10JdGordon_you can always export the database so it can reimported (runtime stats and such)
05:45:19tonybaloney867oh sweet deal!
05:45:26tonybaloney867I forgot about that nifty feature
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05:50:18afruff23I need help debugging a WPS, here's the link:
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06:51:38JdGordonanyone know what the story with the tracker cleanup week is?
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08:14:35wpyhmcuelenaere: breakthrough! I can successfully restore the fw on my vx767 now! yay!
08:14:48wpyh(vx767 != boeing 767)
08:15:14wpyhfor this, I need a modified usbtool.c and I also need to modify the bin files somewhat
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08:37:14wpyhmcuelenaere: here's the document describing the firmware flash procedure for the vx767:
08:38:02wpyhdo you want me to upload all the bin files?
08:38:17wpyh(they are available on the net, but if you want then ok...)
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09:16:43JdGordonpetur: hey, nice commit :D fell like doing the fm screen also?
09:17:14peturI might first tweak the rec screen a bit more
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09:33:01peturheh, as expected: the first comment on taperssection about the new recscreen is a question how to make the peakmeters even bigger..
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09:35:10linuxstbpetur: Sounds like people won't be happy until there's a .wrs file...
09:36:51pixelmais the peak meter the only information a taper needs on a recording screen or what?
09:37:36peturI don't even look at the screen when recording, I just set it and put it in a bag...
09:37:52peturbut to find good values, peakmeters are important, yes
09:38:29pixelmabut for adjusting you need to see the gain setting too (at least I do)
09:38:33peturmost of those guys go stealth so they sometimes have a bad view on the screen
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09:46:29amiconnpetur: Imo it's overkill to make the peakmeters 2 lines high, especially since the recording screen is no longer using the sysfont, so on larger screens (with larger fonts, of course) the peakmeter becomes larger even as single line
09:46:58peturindeed, that is what I told them...
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09:57:33pixelmathey already are 2 lines high
09:57:50linuxstbpetur: So is there space available on some screens, or are they suggesting some other info is removed?
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09:58:52*JdGordon still thinks the filename should go at the top of the screen if there is room for it
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10:04:34decayedcellquick question
10:05:13JdGordonquick answer!
10:05:54decayedcelldoes rockbox automatically calibrate ipod battery capacities
10:06:03decayedcelland damn i haven't been here so long i've forgotten my nick password
10:06:06decayedcell*waits to be renamed*
10:06:26decayedcelli.e. i installed a larger capacity battery into an ipod nano
10:06:33decayedcellhowever, battery bench quit at 45% to go
10:09:06decayedcelli can provide a copy of the log if anyone is interested...
10:10:15decayedcelloh =/
10:10:21decayedcellit says 300mah battery
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10:15:44pixelmathe battery capacity setting does not mean anything for shutdown, it's just there for the runtime estimation (and it's not calibrated on the Ipods in general). Shutdown will happen when the measured voltage drops below a certain value
10:16:25decayedcellso it just estimates how long the battery will go for, not actually measure the voltage value
10:19:30decayedcellno wait that didn't make sense
10:19:46decayedcellhow does it know what value this should be to shutdown
10:21:19LinusNdoes the ipod version of rockbox shut down on low voltage at all?
10:21:40decayedcell07:38:05, 27485, 045%, 04:13, 3767, 0014,
10:21:42decayedcellthat was the last entry
10:22:02decayedcellfrom experience on my ipod video with the stock battery, it does seem to shut down on low voltage
10:22:56LinusNstill, the low power shutdown is based on battery voltage alone
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10:23:13decayedcellso it measures the battery voltage
10:23:19LinusNyes, of course
10:23:21decayedcellbut how does it determine the right voltage at which to shut down
10:23:30decayedcellor is there a built in magic number
10:23:58decayedcellwhat i find confusing is that the level percentage was 45% however the time left said 4 minutes 13
10:24:18pixelmaI thought all targets with li batteries did, except the FM/V2-Recorders
10:24:23LinusNwell, i guess we have measure the level where the device stops working correctly, and set the limit slightly above that
10:24:34decayedcelli probably should test the official firmware runtime heh
10:24:37*decayedcell goes to dinner
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10:45:45decayedcellso then my next question is
10:45:53decayedcellhow does rockbox work out the % level left
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11:06:58LinusNdecayedcell: we have run the battery benchmark and derived a discharge curve from that. using that curve, we can map the measured voltage to % left
11:07:13LinusNthis is where the battery capacity setting comes in
11:10:41decayedcellhmm then that would make sense, because this is a higher capacity battery the curve *should* look different
11:11:31Zagor(repeat) does anyone want an Archos Jukebox 6000? I have a user offering to send it to a dev.
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11:13:01JdGordonis that a player? or recorder?
11:13:37JdGordonok, pass then :p
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11:15:10*petur loves how the wikipedia archos series article shows a screenshot of rockbox
11:16:08amiconnZagor: I would be interested if it's oldlcd...
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11:20:00Zagoramiconn: I think it would be a nice gesture to accept it either way. is it ok if I give him your email address?
11:20:32*amiconn already has a newlcd player, so it would be better to give it to another dev if it's newlcd
11:20:58Zagorperhaps, but people aren't exactly stepping over each other to get it...
11:21:37ZagorI'd rather see it unused at your home than him throwing it away
11:22:10gevaertsWhere does it come from?
11:22:28Zagornot sure, but I think he's american
11:23:35Zagoryes, California
11:23:50gevaertsI wouldn't mind having one, but I'm not very likely to do much with it
11:24:42peturcan you put bigger disks in it?
11:24:55gevaertspetur: remember : usb 1.1
11:25:11peturI know...
11:25:31peturbut I already have some unused devices around :/
11:25:52Zagorwith such big disks, you're not likely to transfer back and forth a lot anyway so 1.1 isn't that much of a nuisance in daily use
11:26:04gevaertsThat's true too
11:26:34gevaertsI'd say if noone else wants it I'll take it, and if it turns out to be oldlcd I'll send it on to amiconn
11:26:54petursounds like a plan
11:27:12Zagorgevaerts: great. can I give him your email address to work out the details?
11:31:32amiconnThere may be a problem with the charger if it's american.
11:31:48amiconnThe archos chargers aren't universal, as they aren't of the switching type
11:32:08JdGordondoes it have a "standard" plug end though?
11:32:17gevaertsThat would mean removing the batteries to charge?
11:32:43Zagorgevaerts: no just get a standard 9V charger. it has a standard plug.
11:32:55amiconnIt's a standard dc socket (the hollow type). Don't remember the inner/outer diameters
11:33:20gevaertsOK. No big problem then
11:33:52amiconnIf you get a regulated charger, use 12V - a regulated 9V charger will charge dead slow
11:35:16amiconnThe original (unregulated) 9V charger outputs more than 9V with partial load, and it's never fully loaded (it's specced 500mA while the archos only draws 250mA at max.)
11:35:22amiconnerr, 350mA
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11:40:09mcuelenaerewpyh: I didn't know I left tabs in the utilities; I should better go fix that because now they don't meet the Rockbox code guidelines :)
11:40:41mcuelenaerewpyh: about those bin files, please upload them; that'll make it easier to integrate things I guess
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12:24:38mcuelenaerewpyh: I hope you don't mind your code being included in Rockbox?
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12:29:09mcuelenaereis someone available with twiki rights for renaming pages?
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12:35:32Bagdermcuelenaere: what page to what new name?
12:35:50mcuelenaereBagder: OndaVX747 to OndaPlayers
12:36:57*Bagder hrmphs, the rename page shows up blank...
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12:57:24JdGordonmcuelenaere: iirc wpyh is already in the credits....
12:59:35JdGordonyep, he is...
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13:15:44n1spetur: IIUC the recscreen will now try to draw non-SYSFONT* strings with the sysfont if the font is too big to display 6 lines on the display?
13:17:04mcuelenaereJdGordon: yes I checked before committing
13:17:22n1sif that isn't going to change we should add a note about it in the known issues...
13:17:27peturthere are some tweaks possible to reduce the number of lines if the font is too big...
13:17:40peturbut a note would be good, yes
13:18:16n1sI wonder if people read the known issues file or if we should put that in the manual too?
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13:19:42peturas there might be some tweaks coming, I haven't touched the manual yet
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13:21:32n1sI hope we can get support for multiple fonts sometime as this issue affects several screens
13:23:55peturit would be nice to have multi-size fonts, so that we could try a smaller font and not fall back tot sysfont
13:26:43pixelmaisn't it already possible to have user font in one viewport and sysfont in the other? Would there be any use for this in the rec screeen?
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13:28:08JdGordonthen it starts getting complicated figuring out which to use where
13:29:16peturpixelma just wants smaller peakmeters ;)
13:29:32peturhow about vertical peakmeters?
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13:36:42JdGordonhow about full blown wps-ifying it
13:36:58petursome day ;)
13:37:41peturbut only if it could share the tokenizer of course
13:37:47JdGordonof course
13:38:13JdGordonsupposedly it should be able to.. it would just need its own buffers and tokenset
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15:36:59rasherBagder: Can you explain the structure of the binary language files? Specifically, does order matter?
15:38:09agaffneyI found a MP3 that reproducibly "freezes" my sansa e260
15:38:22agaffneywhen it starts playing, the interface becomes unresponsive and stays that way
15:38:36agaffneyall that works is hitting a key to turn the screen on and holding power for 10s to shut it off
15:39:18agaffneythe file still freezes rockbox after reinitializing the database and creating a new "All tracks" playlist with shuffle on
15:39:28gevaertsagaffney: have you checked the filesystem (chkdsk or fsck) ?
15:39:48agaffneychkdsk tells me everything's fine
15:39:55agaffneyfsck.vfat gives me a few cryptic errors
15:39:59agaffneyand then exits after scanning
15:41:19gevaertsIf chkdsk says it's fine, the filesystem is probably not the issue. I'll leave this to the codec people...
15:41:52agaffneyI've had these freezes with 3 different builds across 2 months
15:41:56agaffneylatest from ~3 weeks ago
15:42:16agaffneythe song will still be playing while the interface is frozen, but I assume that's because it's already in the buffer
15:43:50rasherThen maybe it isn't *that* song, but the next songs in the directory?
15:44:09agaffneylike I said, it does it after regenerating the playlist on shuffle
15:44:12agaffneyso, different order
15:44:28agaffneyand the UI is unresponsive as soon as this song starts playing
15:44:37rasheragaffney: Have you tried playing *just* that song?
15:44:48agaffneyno, but I can now
15:45:02agaffneyI only narrowed it down to this specific song yesterday :P
15:45:17rasher(stop playback, open context for the file, playlist->insert)
15:46:30agaffneyfreezes with just this song
15:46:36agaffneybut only after I hit Next
15:46:41agaffneywith only this song in the playlist
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16:09:43n1sagaffney: please file a bug report with as much details as possible and attach the file, or if it's too large make it available from some other place
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16:31:05agaffneyn1s: how large is too large?
16:31:20n1s2MB iirc
16:31:47agaffneythen I guess 5.4MB is too big ;)
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17:34:07KWhat4Anyone know of the iAudio remote code ever made it out? Particularly what they are talking about here
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17:47:28agaffneyhmm, the bug tracker is a little....iffy
17:47:40agaffneyif you just go to /tracker/, you get a blank page
17:47:44agaffneysame for /tracker/index.php
17:47:49agaffneybut /tracker/index.php?type=2 works
17:48:02agaffneyand where's my registration email? :P
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17:51:46n1sagaffney: yeah, the blank page thing is known...
17:52:12agaffneygeneral flyspray issue, or just an issue with this particular setup?
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17:58:14agaffneyn1s: I just filed that bug report
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17:58:24n1sagaffney: good
17:58:26agaffneyI'll leave the song on my player for testing purposes
17:58:35agaffneyand just hope it doesn't come up in a random playlist for a while ;)
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19:04:57KWhat4is there anywhere i can get a build date ?
19:06:16KWhat4080807 does that mean it was built on aug-07-2008 ?
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19:19:40KWhat4either of you guys know if this is in the latest build ?
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19:21:07agaffneyKWhat4: uhh, it was filed in April, so it's doubtful :P
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19:21:17agaffneyoh, you mean the fix
19:21:29Soap-WorkGrrr - Jacob had the gall to move his themes from the Gigabeat graveyard to the Gigabeat gallery w/o bothering to license them.
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19:22:16agaffneyKWhat4: I doubt the bug would have been closed if it wasn't in
19:22:36KWhat4mmm must reopen
19:22:39KWhat4still doesnt work
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19:49:50afruff23My wps isn't displaying my conditional viewports for some reason. The static viewports display just fine, here is the wps:
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19:57:13pixelmaI saw in the line you were quoting you always let the "a" viewport display it's in front of the album art conditional
19:59:04pixelma(in the first subline, just at the beginning)
20:01:12afruff23the "a" viewport is the "now track info"
20:01:28afruff23it gets displayed for the first 7 seconds no matter what
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20:01:55afruff23I intended that
20:04:01pixelmaah, I somehow thought that would be an album art viewport... but now I saw something. I don't think there is a way to display a "next" album art, even not second one
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20:05:46afruff23according to this, it is possible:
20:06:47pixelmawhere do you read that?
20:07:19pixelmasorry, found it
20:07:26afruff23maybe I'm mistaken
20:07:36afruff23the Wiki only mentions it being used as a conditional
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20:10:03johnson4having issues trouble installingRB on my gigabeat S, anybody here that has some experience with this?
20:10:30afruff23mathiasdm, can you please explain if it is possible to dispaly the album art of the "next" track?
20:10:39LambdaCalculus37The Gigabeat S isn't a supported target yet.
20:10:51Mathiasdm<afruff23> mathiasdm, can you please explain if it is possible to dispaly the album art of the "next" track?
20:10:57MathiasdmI have no idea
20:11:09LambdaCalculus37You can run Rockbox on it, but it's still not a "complete" port.
20:11:12pixelmaafruff23: I somehow think that this is from the old album art patch and is not yet in SVN. According to this wiki page's history it got added by Nico_P in late 2006, maybe he knows something about it (as he also did the current album art implementation in SVN
20:11:17johnson4I know but it seems a few guys have installed without a hitch
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20:12:20LambdaCalculus37Some of us have installed it on our devices, yes.
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20:12:30LambdaCalculus37You need to build Rockbox from source, though.
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20:13:34afruff23pixelma: well that sucks, I finished my wps based on the assumption that "next" AA was impossible, then I saw the album art wiki and rewrote the entire thing
20:14:17johnson4"LIBMTP_Get_First_Device: No Devices Attached"is the message I I just conect the player with a USB cable, with the unit off?
20:14:42LambdaCalculus37First things first... did you set up a Rockbox development environment?
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20:16:37johnson4the install instructions piont here; so build for source isn't needed(I thought...)
20:20:17johnson4sorry that was the bootloader link
20:20:30*linuxstb wonders who attached binaries to the wiki...
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20:21:06jac0b|whey Soap
20:21:44jac0b|wI CC licensed my themes, I noted that in the cfg file
20:22:08linuxstbjohnson4: The main rockbox download is also linked to from that page - - so no, you don't need to compile things yourself.
20:22:12jac0b|wam I supposed to have that somewhere else also
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20:23:29linuxstbjac0b|w: You could add it to the .wps file as well
20:24:33jac0b|woh okay will that cover it or do I put it in the theme post also
20:24:47linuxstbWhat do you mean by "theme post"?
20:25:08jac0b|won the wiki page for the theme
20:25:19linuxstbYes, it should definitely go there.
20:26:57johnson4 my issue is getting the player to connect so I can load the bootloader, have you done this before?
20:27:11jac0b|wI added this to the wiki page posts "This work is provided under the Creative Commons Attribution - Share Alike 3.0 Unported license."
20:27:27linuxstbjohnson4: Only from Linux. Does Windows see your gigabeat when it's connected?
20:29:20johnson4yes , I can connect to WMP and the player shows "connected" on the screen
20:29:37johnson4I've tried linux and WinXP
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20:30:12linuxstbAre you running sendfirm as root under Linux?
20:31:23johnson4humm no I wasn't using root
20:31:44johnson4ibmtp version:
20:31:56johnson4LIBMTP_Get_First_Device: No Devices Attached
20:32:17johnson4was the output
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20:36:45jac0b|wSoap: I have updated the wps and wiki page with the information needed
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20:37:08XqtftqxHey everybody
20:37:14afruff23I changed my WPS to get ride of the %Cn tag but still my wps isn't displaying my conditional viewports for some reason. The static viewports display just fine, here is the wps:
20:38:46Xqtftqxcan you post a screenshot of what it looks like?
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20:43:39afruff23Xqtftqx: me?
20:43:55afruff23the screenshot is in the topic
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20:45:40Xqtftqxwhere is it in this file?
20:46:25pixelmayou need to define the conditionals that control the conditional viewports before defining those viewports themselves (%Vd before %Vl), I think... at least I did. Seems like it is not mentioned on CustomWPS
20:46:30afruff23it's in the forum post itself, at the bottom
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20:47:26Xqtftqxi dont see it
20:47:35linuxstbXqtftqx: Are you logged into the forum?
20:47:41*linuxstb isn't sure if that's needed, but...
20:48:08pixelmaI think it's not needed since the new setup
20:48:20linuxstbIt's an attachment at the end - wps.png
20:48:37afruff23^^here's teh screenshot if you are not logged in
20:48:57pixelmalinuxstb: I thought...
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20:49:07pixelmaseems I was wrong
20:49:30linuxstbYes, I just logged out, and the attachment disappeared...
20:49:50afruff23pixelma: what you say about conditional viewports seems word, because hten you'll end up with messy code which is the opposite goal of creating preloaders
20:49:57afruff23seems wrong*
20:50:17linuxstbpixelma: That seems nasty behaviour - it should at least show the attachment link, if you need to be logged in to view it.
20:50:45afruff23if you could tell me an example of a theme with a conditional viewport, that would help
20:50:52*linuxstb pings Llorean
20:50:57pixelmaafruff23: try it. And yes it's messy code but I think there were technical (coding) reasons for it
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20:51:13pixelmaafruff23: cabbiev2
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20:52:24afruff23cabbiev2 doesn't have viewports, much less conditional viewports
20:52:47pixelmasure it has...
20:53:18pixelmaI'm talking about the SVn version in case that matters
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20:53:58afruff23the one that comes with the lastest rockobx build lacks conditional viewports
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20:54:10afruff23it doesn't even have viewports
20:54:38pixelma%?C<%C%Vda|%Vdb> and later you'll find the %Vl|a|... and %Vl|b|...
20:54:39jac0b|wcabbie uses conditional album art tags
20:55:07Lloreanlinuxstb: Yes, I'm aware the forums don't show any placeholder for attachments if you're logged out.
20:55:30linuxstbWhat's the reason for disabling attachments to guests?
20:55:32afruff23pixelma, which target are you downloading cabbiev2 with?
20:55:48LloreanThey were quite some time ago too, but got enabled temporarily.
20:56:08LloreanAttachments don't serve a purpose for non-posters anyway, you can't respond to them without being able to post.
20:56:12pixelmaafruff23: errm.. looks like the gigabeat version doesn't? Looked at the c200 version
20:56:23afruff23thanks, I'll lokk at that
20:57:24linuxstbLlorean: This case is when someone is looking for help - users not logged in may look at the attachments to see if they can help, and if they can, then register/log in.
20:58:24LloreanIs it expected that registered users would browse without logging in?
20:58:51pixelmaI do
20:59:13linuxstbI guess if you're not using your regular PC
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20:59:34LloreanWell, if you're not willing to log in on that PC to browse, I doubt you're willing to log in to reply either, though.
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20:59:47jac0b|wI was trying to use conditional viewports per the customWPS wiki but I couldn't get them for the life of me
20:59:54afruff23pixelma, thanks a lot for the help. It works perfect now (just need to check if album art works)
21:00:04linuxstbNot all attachments are there because a reply is needed - e.g. lots of threads have screenshots of things.
21:00:08rasherLlorean: People dropping by from web-searches
21:00:19linuxstbLlorean: Is there a reason not to?
21:00:20rasherI don't see a reason *not* to show attachment to guests
21:00:21Lloreanlinuxstb: Screenshots of things that don't need a reply?
21:00:29LloreanThe whole point of the forums is two-way discussion.
21:00:34afruff23should I clarify the CustomWPS page about conditional viewports or is anyone else going to do it?
21:00:41linuxstbLlorean: So why allow guests to read at all?
21:00:51rasherThat's a bit narrow-minded if you ask me. Plenty of times to I (try to) read forums to gather information
21:01:05Lloreanlinuxstb: Same reason they can search. If they have a question they can see if it's answered before they even register.
21:01:08rasherBut many forums, frustratingly have this limitation
21:01:13LloreanHow many questions do attachments answer?
21:01:27linuxstbLlorean: But why prevent it? Is there a reason?
21:01:49LloreanI don't know why it was initially prevented.
21:02:41pixelmaafruff23: would be nice if you did :)
21:02:59linuxstbLlorean: You're not Jeff...
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21:04:04afruff23pixelma, done
21:04:22pixelmaLlorean: I often read the forums without logging in (mostly the "recent posts"), then when something catches my interest I log in. Reason is that I often just leave the tab open in FF and refresh from time to time. I don't want to be logged in all day
21:04:34pixelmaafruff23: thanks
21:04:42LloreanWell, guests can now see attachments then.
21:05:44LloreanI'd kinda like to discourage attachments in general though.
21:05:55LloreanPeople are still renaming files so they can attach them when they don't belong, and so on.
21:06:11linuxstbI was about to ask you about adding ".wps" to the list of valid types...
21:06:37linuxstbI hate seeing large .wps files pasted into forum threads - it's cleaner if they're attached.
21:07:39linuxstbe.g. there was one recently with extremely long lines, that broke the formatting. Unless there was another way to fix that?
21:07:45LloreanI guess. Generally shouldn't we only need an excerpt anyway?
21:08:17LloreanI've allowed .wps now.
21:08:26linuxstbOK, thanks.
21:09:53Zagortwiki rename works again
21:10:34pixelmalinuxstb, Llorean: in other forums I saw "codebox"es for very long code snippets, maybe that would be another way? Not sure if that exists for the SMF though...
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21:12:17Lloreanpixelma: There's a [code] tag
21:12:32LloreanI don't know if it creates a box or just uses a fixed width font
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21:13:27pixelmathat's not what I meant, e.g. hydrogenaudio has [code] and [codebox] - the latter has a fixed width and height and scrollbars
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21:18:04linuxstbZagor: Do you know what's causing the blank page at ?
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21:18:38rasherNo doubt some sort of PHP error
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21:19:33Zagorlinuxstb: no. I was preparing a flyspray upgrade during devcon but haven't had much time since then
21:23:56amiconnrasher: Looks like we're getting closer to a solution for sapi voices on japanese windows
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21:24:29amiconnThat is, it's already working, just perl spits dozens of warnings regarding 'wide character in print'
21:24:50rasheramiconn: Apparently this means Perl isn't aware that some of the output is in fact UTF-8
21:24:57amiconnBut that's actually wanted; we just need to tell perl it's okay ...
21:25:25ender`binmode STDOUT,':utf8'; should get rid of the warnings
21:25:28amiconnThe actual output is utf-16le, so perl shouldn't have a reason to complain
21:26:26ender`perl always complains if you don't tell it not to
21:26:29rasherender`: Pretty sure it's our input (from genlang or elsewhere) that it doesn't know is utf8
21:27:24ender`"wide character in print" is written when you're printing an utf8 string with non-ascii characters (perl's strings are either binary or utf8)
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21:27:54amiconnThe file handle (?) perl mentions is <CMD_OUT>
21:28:26amiconnThis is the stream that the vbscript passes back to the perl script
21:28:30rasherWhat I'm saying is, some of the strings we get from outside sources, is not being marked as being utf8, so perl whines when we print it
21:28:41amiconn...and it's set to :encoding(utf-16le)
21:29:08ender`rasher: afaik, it doesn't complain when you print a binary string - only when the string is marked as utf8
21:29:32rasherender`: Yes, but we're marking the output as utf-16le, and printing something "wrong" to it
21:31:21amiconnHmm, it seems the problem is the generation of the voicefontids file
21:31:37amiconnLine 345 (in the patched
21:32:14*amiconn wonders whether this is reproducable without actually having a japanese tts engine
21:32:52rasheramiconn: sure, why not?
21:33:23amiconnThe vbscript selects the appropriate tts engine from the ones available for that language
21:33:34rasherAh, so cheat
21:33:50amiconnHmm, I can make the script allow an english engine for 'japanese'
21:34:22amiconnJust a matter of hacking the LangIDs() function
21:34:45rasherLooks like we have a problem on Linux, it seems to be producing empty clips
21:34:49rasher> espeak -w "LANG_SET_BOOL_YES.wav"
21:34:59rasherOr have I forgot how espeak works
21:35:28rasherAh yes, we write to espeak on stdin
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21:37:21rasherI thought that command was supposed to have the string in it, but it isn't.
21:37:44amiconnAh, so it's independent of my patch?
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21:38:32rasherThere is no problem at all - I was seeing things.
21:38:47rashersetting encoding to utf8 for VOICEFONTIDS sure fixed that problem for me
21:39:07rasherAt least most of it, now some at line 244 (+/- a few)
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21:39:22rasherAh, that's just our output
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21:42:22rasheramiconn: We also need to do the binmode dance for the comandline TTSes
21:43:41amiconnWith standard open(), you can specify the encoding directly in the parameter list
21:44:13amiconnThe separate binmode() calls in the sapi case are necessary because it uses open2()
21:45:04afruff23I spoke too soon about my WPS being fixed, I still have a problem with the volume bar and its bitmap strips:
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21:48:29pixelmaafruff23: what's %pvdB ?
21:48:31amiconnrasher: Setting utf8 in the open() call for 'voicefontids' is working perfectly on cygwin
21:48:42rasheramiconn: Same here
21:48:47amiconnShall I commit what I have? It certainly improves things...
21:48:59rasherI don't see why not
21:50:52afruff23pixelma: it displays the volume in dB followed by the wrod "dB"
21:51:11afruff23that's not the problem AFAI can tell
21:51:11pixelmastupid me
21:51:31rasherI wonder why this doesn't work: open(ESPEAK, "|:encoding(UTF-8)", $cmd); # It just says "unknown mode", yet an almost precisely equivalent example is in perldoc. Stupid perl.
21:55:50rasherThe open() documentation tells me to look at perlipc, which neatly sidesteps encoding issues completely.
21:56:35ender`rasher: try :utf8 instead of :encoding(UTF-8)
21:57:15pixelmaafruff23: you can't use overlapping viewports (as you said in your description)
21:57:36rasherPresumably that's equivalent to :encoding(utf8)? utf8 is just Perl's less strict version of UTF-8.
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21:58:45rasherUsing binmode(ESPEAK, ':encoding(UTF-8)'); of course, works perfectly. Complete and utter crack.
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21:59:23ender`i think there are a few small differences between :encoding(utf8) and :utf8
22:00:14rasherSee, this is why I don't like Perl. There are more than one way to do it - most of them wrong, all of them subtly differently broken, and none of them consistent.
22:02:12amiconnrasher: :utf8 and :encoding(utf8) are not equivalent for input
22:02:35amiconnThe latter checks for valid utf8, the former does not, and just assumes it
22:02:55rasherWhich should be obvious! Man, what were they smoking..
22:03:15rasherI'm just going to use binmode, since open() doesn't seem to like my poking
22:05:57rasherNot sure what happened. open(ESPEAK, "|-:encoding(utf8)", $cmd); is what I want. Apparently the - is optional when you put the mode in the same argument as the filename...
22:06:13rasherAgain, complete and utter madness
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22:09:32rasherAll the verbose mode outputs generate the same error, I suppse we need to know about the user's locale to properly fix that. Or we could just assume utf8, I guess
22:10:24amiconnWe can't, at least on cygwin
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22:11:29rasherYeah, I just mean we could just lie to Perl, I know it won't be correct in all situations
22:11:30amiconnThe warning probably only appears in verbose mode now
22:11:58rasherSeems you can use :locale, but I'm not sure quite what that does, or where to put it
22:13:07rasheruse open ':locale'; Is one, but that's obviously not what we want
22:15:57rasher"use locale;" at the top fixes the verbose output, though I'm not sure if it has any unfortunate side-effects.
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22:16:19rasherOh, no it doesn't.
22:16:46rasherIt does absolutely nothing at all.
22:20:23amiconnI think that's because locale is the standard anyway
22:20:44amiconnIt shouldn't throw warnings if your locale actually is utf8, I think
22:20:52rasherIt does, though.
22:21:14amiconnI cygwin, the warning disappears if I set STDOUT to utf8 explicitly, and it stays when setting it to locale
22:21:19amiconn(via binmode)
22:21:39amiconnThe output is wrong either way (because the cygwin locale isn't utf8)
22:21:59rasherAh, so you can just do that to STDOUT? Funky
22:22:16amiconnbinmode(STDOUT, ":uf8");
22:23:25rasherThat works. And the alternative is ":locale"?
22:24:06rasherI think just hardcoding to utf8 is acceptable. The output will be wrong, but usually, it'll get piped to a file anyway
22:26:34rasherI wonder if there's a way to set encoding when using system()
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22:26:59afruff23the viewports don't overlap in my WPS, but still the volume bitmap strips don't show up:
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22:28:12bosleyhey huys
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22:28:43bosleyim a new rockbox user and i had a quick question
22:28:51bosleyif anyone wants to help
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22:29:07rasherbosley: We can't help you unless you ask a question
22:29:31bosleymy Rockbox Utility said it cant find any themes and i was just wondering where i put those so it can
22:29:40bosleywas getting to the question sorry
22:32:40rasherDo you use an Ipod Video?
22:34:20bosleyyes 5.5g 30 gig
22:36:09rasherWe have issues with the themes site, so there are no themes for Ipod Video on that site. Unfortunately this means that you can't install them through Rockbox Utility
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22:36:22amiconnThat in the commit message $ should have been $Id$ ... I guess bash messed it up
22:37:13rasherInsuffecient escaping. That's a good reason not to use -m
22:37:35rasher(the other one is you get a second chance to abort a commit)
22:38:58bluebrotherhmm. Trying to move an item in the playlist to its own position results in a "move failed" splash. This is a bit confusing.
22:39:18amiconnIt's at least correct...
22:39:45rasherWhy? The song ended up in the position you asked for
22:40:17bluebrotherI'd rather like to see a "nothing to do" splash. It was a no-move-move, so it worked.
22:40:36bosleyso do i have to install themes manually then
22:40:41rasherbosley: You do
22:41:04rasherIt's not hard. Just unzip the theme to the root of your player
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22:41:09bluebrotherwe really need this theme site up ...
22:41:14pixelmabluebrother: you could also abort the moving (using "left")
22:41:29bosleyhow do i subit themes
22:41:39bosleycause ill be making some soon
22:42:03rasherbosley: Add them on the wiki page
22:42:21bosleykk thanks
22:49:33n1sbluebrother: do we need a splash at all if everything worked as intended?
22:57:07bosleycan you still add music to the ipod thru itunes
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23:00:35rasherbosley: You can, but they'll be hidden (or at least obscured) from the file view
23:00:54rasherIf you plan to use the database, there should be no issues
23:01:20bosleyhow should i add music then
23:01:46bosleycause i cant get itunes to recognize my ipod
23:01:51rasherJust copy it over to the drive
23:02:18bosleywhat about the F01, F02, etc folders
23:02:21bosleyjust skip those
23:03:25afruff23just copy the music in windows explorer to anywhere other than the /rockbox folder. It's not that hard
23:07:01rasherBagder: Does order matter in the binary language files?
23:07:24Bagderit's just index and string, index and string ...
23:07:37rasherOkay, so I don't need to mirror genlang output exactly
23:07:50rasherAs long as I get the correct strings
23:08:31bluebrothern1s: sorry, phone call. IMO we don't need a splash in that case
23:08:53n1si agree :)
23:09:20bluebrotherbtw, I'm thinking about removing the "install all" button in the themes window of rbutil and replace it with a "hold ctrl to select multiple" hint
23:09:48bluebrotheras I have the impression quite some users just install all because they don't want to bother opening the window like 3 times
23:10:03n1ssounds like a good idea to keep bandwidth usage reasonable...
23:10:25*n1s really should try that rbutil thing one day :)
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23:10:45*bluebrother throws a rbutil binary at n1s ;-)
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23:12:13n1sbtw does the sansapatcher linked from the manual have the latest release of the c200 bootloader?
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23:13:04***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
23:13:05*bluebrother wonders if that folder "-" on the download server was an attempt of piping some stuff to stdout :)
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23:13:36bosleyi heard it was possible to get emulators on rockbox is that true
23:13:46Bagderbluebrother: ;-)
23:13:47bluebrothern1s: judging from the timestamp on the server: no.
23:14:12bluebrotherbut try rbutil, it'll always install the current bootloader from the server ;-)
23:14:37n1sbluebrother: then i have a great opportunity to try rbutil right there, but that'll have to wait for tomorrow. And btw we should fix that :)
23:14:47bluebrotherbosley: there are some emulators around. I'll suggest you checking the manual
23:15:02n1salso the 64 bit sansapatcher is missing...
23:15:41bluebrotherremember that the rbutil binary is 32 bit and it has issues when running in a 64 bit environment. So chroot it.
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23:16:00n1sare we going to keep the manual install method in the manual for the release?
23:16:18bluebrotherI think we should move that to the appendix
23:16:27bluebrotherwanted to look into it, but time ...
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23:26:05amiconnbluebrother: Why don't we have a 64 bit rbutil binary
23:26:21bluebrotherbecause nobody built one (I don't own a 64 bit machine)
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23:27:08bluebrotherand I haven't figured if / how I can build 64 bit binaries
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23:28:00drfsupercenterDoes anyone use Rockbox on a Sansa e200 series?
23:28:15drfsupercenterOK, because I'm having a problem with it.
23:28:17bluebrotherI bet quite a few in here do.
23:28:23*amiconn does have a 64 bit linux box, but doesn't want to install qt
23:28:36drfsupercenterFor the FLAC songs, if I listen to one all the way through, then hit "previous song" to start it over, it'll go a minute or two and just freeze.
23:28:48drfsupercenterSome songs stall like a skipped CD, some just cut to the next song
23:28:54drfsupercenterAnd I'm not sure why that's happening
23:29:17bluebrothermight be a buffering issue. Nico_P is your man in that case.
23:29:29bluebrotheryou updated to the most current build, did you?
23:29:30drfsupercenterHow would I know?
23:29:39drfsupercenterNot sure... I put it on maybe 2 months ago
23:29:43drfsupercenterHas there been a new build since then?
23:29:48bluebrotherwoaah ... that's ages.
23:29:55drfsupercenterThere's a newer one?
23:30:02bluebrotherlet me check ...
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23:31:26bluebrotherwell, something like 500 revisions make almost that much releases.
23:31:35bluebrotherduring the last 2 months that is.
23:31:55n1sbluebrother: I'll try to look into building rbutil tomorrow then if i can find the time (64 bit here)
23:31:58stripwaxdrfsupercenter - there are several new builds, every day, so yes :)
23:32:08drfsupercenterDoes that address the buffering issue?
23:32:11bluebrotherthere is no stable "release" for all players except archos.
23:32:18bluebrothermaybe. Maybe not.
23:32:18drfsupercenterIt does that with some high bitrate mp3s as well
23:32:26drfsupercenterstuff that's like 128kbps or 192kbps doesn't have that problem
23:32:32drfsupercenter320kbps, it does occasionally, FLAC, almost everyt ime.
23:32:40bluebrotherdrfsupercenter: we always ask you to update to a most recent build before reporting any bugs.
23:32:53bluebrotherand that's a general rule before asking for help ...
23:33:18stripwaxsaves us having to remember when each bug was fixed
23:33:22bluebrotherseveral fixes have been made to the playback engine. No idea if your issue has been fixed, but it isn't unlikely
23:33:42bluebrothersaves us to figure if your bug was triggered by something that got fixed :)
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23:34:40afruff23how does displaying images within the confines of a viewport work? I need help with it:
23:37:10Lloreanafruff23: Are the image tags inside the viewport definition?
23:38:02amiconnrasher: Undecided what variant to use? UTF-8 isn't the same as utf8 in perl
23:38:22Lloreanafruff23: And you've tried removing all other images just to make sure you haven't run out of buffer?
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23:38:46afruff23I'll try that
23:38:47rasheramiconn: Hm, right. For our usage, it shouldn't matter though.
23:38:57Nico_Pdrfsupercenter: I think the buffering issue should be solved
23:39:03afruff23is it enough to jsut delete the iamges or do I ahve to remove the code that references them as well?
23:39:16Nico_PIIRC I fixed it about a month ago
23:39:20afruff23just delete the images or do I have*
23:39:26Lloreanafruff23: Leaving the references without the images will just cause errors.
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23:42:13afruff23nope, I haven't run out of buffer
23:42:21amiconnrasher: And btw, output will not just be wrong in cygwin, but in all non-utf8 consoles now
23:42:55Lloreanafruff23: How big is the volume image?
23:43:18afruff2367.8 KB
23:43:27rasheramiconn: yeah, this is true. But it's only in Verbose mode. Does it really matter?
23:43:28LloreanIn width*height
23:43:38afruff23165 x 140
23:43:53rasherIn some way, it could be seen as a feature, logs gathered in verbose mode are always utf8 now
23:44:00afruff2310 bitmap strips in one BMP file
23:44:00Lloreanafruff23: And that's the only image being loaded now?
23:44:14amiconnrasher: Not sure. I would just have left the warning for STDOUT alone, as it does only happen in verbose mode...
23:45:02afruff23yes, only image
23:45:12afruff23even the bg image isn't there
23:45:48Lloreanafruff23: And there are no other overlapping viewports?
23:46:33afruff23no overlapping viewports
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23:52:00KolsI formatted my Iriver H320, the copied the backed up files to it again, but now the rockbox software doesn't load anymore
23:52:11Kolsthen copied*
23:52:45n1sKols: did you copy the .rockbox dir to it?
23:52:57Kolsyeah, I also tried updating
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23:53:29Kolsmaybe the bootloader is corrupted but I wouldn't know how
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23:53:49bluebrotherthe bootloader is in flash memory. Changing contents of the hard disc won't touch it.
23:54:03Kolsah ok, that's what I thought
23:54:14bluebrotherhow old was your old installation and which version has your bootloader?
23:54:34bluebrotherand what error does the bootloader show?
23:55:06Kolsbootloader version 5
23:55:12Kolsno error message
23:55:45Kolsthe rockbox installation is the latest after I updated
23:55:54bluebrotherhmm, that sounds strange. Does it boot into the OF straight away?
23:56:17KolsI guess you mean the original firmware?
23:56:48KolsIt tries to load rockbox but freezes, I can load the OF via the key combo
23:56:53Kolsthat works fine
23:57:30bluebrotherhmm. You tried to update to the most recent build?
23:57:57bluebrotherthen my last guess is filesystem issues −− try running chkdsk /f on the drive
23:58:30KolsI had temporarily and mistakenly formatted the drive with NTFs, now it's FAT32
23:58:40KolsDo I need FAT?

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