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#rockbox log for 2008-08-08

00:00:38 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting")
00:00:39n1sKols: yes, it must be fat for rockbox to work
00:00:50Kolsah ok
00:00:58Kolsthat will be the reason then
00:01:05KolsThanks for your help
00:01:21agaffneywhen you say fat, do you mean fat16[b]?
00:01:50 Quit snoh ("GNU/Linux the free alternative to Windows")
00:01:50KolsIt's just "FAT" in Partition Magic, but yeah I guess that's FAT16
00:02:00Kohlrabiprobably not
00:02:06KohlrabiFAT16 is centuries old
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00:02:23agaffneyfat32 won't work at all with rockbox?
00:02:33Bagderyes it works
00:02:50n1sisn't fat16 limited to 4GB partitions?
00:03:00Kohlrabidoesn't FAT16 have a upper drive limit of like 2.6GB or something?
00:03:16agaffneyok, n1s's answer above was vague (to me) about whether he was saying yes to ntfs vs. fat or fat vs. fat32
00:03:34Kolswell my player has 40GB
00:03:41Kolsand I'd like to use them ofc
00:03:45Kohlrabiso, don't use FAT16 :)
00:03:50Kolsok :)
00:03:51bluebrotherwindows will use the "right" FAT version itself. But if it's larger than 32GB it will refuse formatting as FAT
00:03:55amiconnfat16 has an upper limit of 2GB (4GB only under win nt4)
00:03:57n1sagaffney: fat32
00:04:03agaffneyI know about fat16's filesystem size limits, so I guess it was a stupid question :)
00:04:35amiconnRockbox supports fat32 on all targets, and fat16 only on targets where you can plug memory cards
00:04:56amiconn(Archos Ondio SP and FM, Sansa c200 and e200)
00:04:59KohlrabiI'd be really nice if Microsoft and OpenSource folks would work on a open next gen filesystem :I
00:05:13amiconnThe fat specs are public
00:05:15n1sI didn't think anyone would try to use fat16 on a 20GB disk (especially since rockbox does not by default support more than one partition on h300) ;)
00:05:24KohlrabiFAT isn't going anywhere, I guess
00:06:16bluebrotherit's working sufficiently for most cases and it itsn't too complex
00:06:27Kohlrabioh, can rockbox play embdedded cuesheets, btw?
00:06:52Kohlrabithe 4GB upper limit for filesize is... enerving
00:07:10n1sKohlrabi: many more advanced filesystems are open source but FAT32 has some nice pros, of which simplicity and widespread support are important
00:07:39Kohlrabin1s: I know that there are many OS FSs, but Microsoft won't support them, I reckon
00:08:05KohlrabiI'd be really nice to not have to fallback to FAT32 for sharing files between OSes on a machine
00:08:06KolsSo .... does rockbox support FAT32?
00:08:11Kohlrabior big USB sticks
00:08:32amiconnKols: Scroll 4 minutes back
00:08:36agaffneyKols: yes :P
00:08:37n1sKols: yes, on h300 that is the only filesystem supported
00:09:00Kolsokay, then I guess I'll have to re-flash it
00:09:40Kolsalso: 00:00<n1s>Kols: yes, it must be fat for rockbox to work
00:10:02bluebrotherKohlrabi: there's an ext2 IFS driver for windows, and linux can handle ntfs with ntfs3g quite nicely
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00:10:38n1sKols: the filesystem has nothing to do with the flash and I thought that from the context it was clear that fat == fat32
00:10:42amiconnbluebrother: But afaik you can neither boot linux from ntfs, nor windows from ext2
00:10:50*amiconn thinks that the
00:11:24amiconns/the/this is getting ot/
00:11:35bluebrotherno. But if it's only for sharing files between the OSes that shouldn't be a real issue
00:11:43Kolsn1s: I have it FAT32 formatted and I have the latest .rockbox, so what's left but flashing?
00:11:52Kohlrabibluebrother: didn't the Ext2 IFS driver fux0r up the ownership and access flags?
00:12:14Kohlrabidon't really remember
00:12:20bluebrotherKohlrabi: can't remember exactly, but this is now really getting ot :)
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00:12:25Kohlrabididn't boot into Debian in ages, anyway
00:12:29Kohlrabitrue :)
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00:12:37n1sKols: I though you said you had rockbox working before reformatting, the only thing that can remove the bootloader is "uppgrading" the original firmware
00:13:02Kolsyeah I had it working before formatting
00:13:23Kohlrabi<Kohlrabi> oh, can rockbox play embdedded cuesheets, btw?
00:13:28amiconnHow did you reformat? Did you perhaps also recreate the partition?
00:13:55amiconnDid you make a primary partition, or an extended one with a logical drive?
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00:14:50KolsI made a primary NTFS, then re-formatted with FAT32 as a logical drive
00:15:06amiconnRockbox only supports primary partitions
00:15:10KolsI had had plans to install winXP to the player...
00:15:28Kolsok, I'll check that
00:15:33bluebrotherwhy does reformatting change a primary partition to a logical one?
00:15:44amiconnIt doesn't
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00:15:54bluebrotherbut it seems some tool did.
00:16:02KolsI deleted the partition inbetween
00:16:11Kolsand recreated it
00:16:42*amiconn still has that as a (moderate priority) todo
00:16:57Kolsokay, so I need a primary FAT32 partition
00:17:43KolsGonna try that tomorrow, thanks for your help everyone
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00:20:11n1samiconn: to support logical drives?
00:20:11jac0b|wcould I use cygwin to install the gigabeat S firmware
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00:21:33amiconnn1s: yes
00:22:25n1sfor the sake of completeness or some obscure usage scenario? :)
00:23:57amiconnWe had some problem reports in the early days of the iriver port
00:24:35amiconnObviously at least some irivers were shipped with the fat32 partition being a logical drive
00:28:59pixelmaafruff23: if I see correctly, the volume bitmap's y-position (top left corner) should be at 49 but the viewport you're displaying it in is only 31 pixels high... The coordinates always count from the top left corner of the viewport the %xd tag of the bitmap is in
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00:33:49afruff23pixelma, the viewport the volume is in includes text as well
00:34:36afruff23so, the coordinates are correct
00:35:09jac0b|wdoes the nk.bin that is on the site dual-boot?
00:35:30pixelmaafruff23: I don't understand what you want to tell me with this
00:35:31jac0b|wopps its for the gigabeat s
00:35:42afruff23I don't udnerstand what you were trying to tell me
00:36:10afruff23the y positoin has no relaiton to the height of a viewport
00:36:26afruff23it has a relation to the y position of the viewport though
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00:38:18pixelmaafruff23: see last note in and example 2
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00:44:22afruff23I fixed it
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00:50:36jac0b|wI am setting up cygwin and I added the RB source but its asking for a FTP password
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00:53:46jac0b|wn/m now it says it can't get the setup.ini.sig file
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00:56:50jac0b|wcan anyone help me with this
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01:09:28n9xvtif i turn on mi player,,,go into files,,,select a random mp3,,listen to the first few seconds then press the next track button 4 times mi player locks up,,
01:11:24n9xvtpresing pause or menu makes the s/w go thru the motions but nothing,, same with next track or previous track,,the display changes but nothing from the player,,
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01:14:25n9xvtgoing into radio,,leaves me with nothing on the screen (just the status bar) nothing?
01:15:02Lloreann9xvt: You've left out several important things such as what SVN revision you're using and what player you're running it on
01:16:09n9xvtsorry,,sansa c240,,,and18198-080805
01:17:00LloreanThat's 20 revisions behind. While it's not likely to fix your problem, we do always ask that you be using the most recent download from the site.
01:17:40n9xvti had the installer do it yesterday? rockbox utility?
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01:18:32LloreanWe probably average about 10 versions a day, you should always update and see if it still happens with the most recent version before reporting a problem.
01:19:34n9xvti did not know that,,i thought it was only one,,wow,,let me get the latest thru the utility
01:20:09LloreanThe manual describes the fact that there are many builds each day.
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01:28:10n9xvtok,,still a problem,,
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01:28:41LloreanOkay, now you'll need to explain what you mean by "go thru the motions"
01:28:47n9xvtthe only way to get it to play seems to be shut the unit off and turn it back on
01:30:24n9xvtthe track name changes but no playing,,press menu it displays the menu,,go into radio or select a file and it will go to while playing screen and play indicator will show playing but noactually doing it,,,
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01:31:20LloreanSo the WPS updates to show the new track metadata?
01:31:25LloreanIf you check the playlist viewer, what does it show?
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01:33:05n9xvti dont use any playlist? (just directory under files) looking under playlist just shows tracks in directory
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01:33:34LloreanYou didn't answer my first question yet.
01:33:52LloreanIn the playlist, though, it should indicate which track is playing. I want to know if this changes when you try to change tracks in the filetree?
01:33:54icefart13what is the current stage of making the firmware work on the creative zen v plus. i read the wiki but i wondered about updates. im in the market for an 8 gig player but want the ability to browse my music through folders. i hate the current interface of most players
01:33:57LloreanAlso, have you tried resetting your settings?
01:34:11Lloreanicefart13: The wiki and forum thread are the most up to date.
01:34:30icefart13ok thank you for that
01:35:05n9xvtyes the wps updates,,i can evan go into the files and select a different file and it'll show it on the wps,,,,no time or kbit info
01:35:34n9xvtre-setting my settings? the theme/wps?
01:35:45LloreanNo, all settings.
01:35:54LloreanThere's an option to do so.
01:36:02LloreanOr you can plug in USB and delete config.cfg in the .rockbox folder
01:36:21icefart13is there any way i could help speed up developement on the zen v plus
01:36:44Lloreanicefart13: Read the thread, and do anything that's not yet done by someone
01:37:12icefart13i have no coding skills i thought i could get the player and test out or somehting
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01:37:50LloreanThe people who are doing the work own players to test on. Generally speaking we need workers, not testers.
01:38:14icefart13o well what language would i need to learn
01:38:40LloreanC and the appropriate ASM for the CPU in the device.
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01:39:08n9xvti'll delete the file and report back,,it may take me a few to put mi settings back,, or should i just try it without resetting mi settings?
01:39:48LloreanYou should try it with cleared settings.
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01:44:26ZarathuHi there. I'm trying to apply a patch; before I do anything stupid, do I need to apply this patch to the Rockbox source and then compile it or is it possible to patch files in my current Rockbox installation?
01:44:49LloreanSource and then compile
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01:47:15n9xvtproblem disappeared,,,possibly,,,corrupted conifg file?
01:49:52ZarathuLlorean: Okay, I patched it. Though, I'm not seeing a ./configure script anywhere...
01:49:56ZarathuIs there a "How to compile" page?
01:51:18n9xvtnow i am having other problems,,i was trying to adjust the backlight setting and it went blank,,wont turn back on,,
01:51:19Lloreann9xvt: No clue. If you get it back, figure out which setting(s) cause it and post a proper bug report please.
01:51:28LloreanYou probably set the backlight to "off"
01:51:48ZarathuPlatform set to ipodvideo
01:51:48ZarathuEnter size of your RAM (in MB): (Defaults to 32)
01:51:58ZarathuHow do I check out how much RAM my iPod has?
01:52:21LloreanIf it was initially a 30gb one, it's 32mb, if it was initially a 60/80 it's 64mb
01:52:31LloreanIf you don't know (refurbished, for example) choose 32 as it's safe.
01:52:38ZarathuI put 64.
01:54:51n9xvtif ya cant read the display how can ya turn on the backlight? i was just scroling thru the settings and it went out? it will turn on for booting up then just goes black?
01:56:34n9xvtworks fine if i have it plugged into usb?
01:56:41Lloreann9xvt: If you had just pressed the cancel button, or moved up or down one again it would've been fine
01:56:45LloreanNow you need to clear settings again.
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02:11:56n9xvtok the problem seems to be that config file,,the playback problems dont seem to be there,,
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02:20:20n9xvtthanks for you're help! i think thats done the trick,,now if only my clock would keep time! lol
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02:42:33ZarathuLlorean: Where can I get the arm-elf-gcc compiler?
02:42:44ZarathuI only have the standard gcc and g++ for i386.
02:44:02afruff23should I include the font I sued with my Theme? the font is unifont.fnt and it is about 1.3 MB
02:45:06LloreanZarathu: in the /tools folder theres a shell script called or something that can install them for you.
02:45:35ZarathuM'kie doke.
02:45:39afruff23i'm talking about uploading to the WPS Gallery of course
02:49:03afruff23I guess not since it is included with the font package
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03:03:37afruff23how do you check if a folder has a thumbs.db file?
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03:04:14Lloreanafruff23: That's not exactly a Rockbox question, more of a basic computer use one.
03:04:17LloreanBesides, you just look.
03:05:36Soapafruff23, The rule of thumb should be, IMHO, if the font is in the font pack do not include it. If the font is not in the Rockbox offered font pack, include it in your WPS .zip.
03:05:51SoapASSuming you have distribution rights to said font ;)
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03:23:55afruff23what about iconsets?
03:24:11afruff23specifically the tango 20x16x16 iconset?
03:24:48afruff23it has an appropriate license to grant me distribution rights
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03:27:52afruff23how do I get the HDD activity icon to show up on the UIsimulator, I have 2 Gb of ram if that matteers?
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03:35:06Soap_I_ think iconsets should be in the .wps files, they are so tiny as to not matter, but I'm not sure of the general consensus.
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03:36:21LloreanIn my opinion every necessary part should be included if it's a "theme"
03:36:49LloreanUnless we want to create some sort of "Dependency checklist" for uploads to the new theme site.
03:36:53LloreanThat might actually be handy, though
03:37:25LloreanYou check off which iconset and font is required, and it links to them from the theme entry so people can download. You could even mark another theme as a dependency if you were just offering an alternate .wps file or alternate backdrop for an existing theme.
03:37:49LloreanBut, for the moment, I say "include everything necessary"
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03:41:34afruff23well, including a 1.3 MB font most people already have doesn't seem very smart
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03:49:41n9xvti don't have a clue what caused the problems i had but you've got it working right again,,,good night,, thanks
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04:01:01SoapLlorean, even include fonts? Or should we assume one has already installed the font-pack?
04:03:58LloreanSoap: I consider fonts "official files" so they shouldn't be wrapped in.
04:04:04LloreanMuch like the official iconset, etc.
04:04:14LloreanEven though it's an "extras" package, it's one handled for you, by the installer.
04:04:42Soapok - then we agree.
04:04:44LloreanBy "everything required" I meant "everything required on top of a standard, full Rockbox install"
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04:11:34snowveilevening all
04:12:36snowveilI've run into an issue with the newest firmware/bootloader revision on rockbox for a Sansa e260
04:13:12snowveilwhen attempting to build my database, it takes tremendously long (eg, I'm built up to song 8 out of about two thousand after about 2 minutes of waiting)
04:14:36snowveilI updated because my prior revision, though working fine with normal playback, had some support issues with a new MicroSDHC would repeat songs on the card multiple times in the database
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04:23:16Lloreansnowveil: By "newest" bootloader, do you mean you've compiled a new one from source?
04:24:38snowveilno, it's a pre-compiled version for linux
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04:35:39snowveilnevermind :)
04:36:06snowveilappears as though I must have recorded some audio with my microphone, and for some reason it was hanging up upon trying to add it to the database
04:36:20snowveilafter deleting the voice files it appears to be working fine
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04:38:19jfm3Hello #rockbox. I'm installing on a 4G ipod greyscale. Used rbutilqt. Error on boot is "can't find partition." Any help appreciated!
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04:39:17Lloreanjfm3: This usually means your iPod is improperly formatted or has a non-standard disk
04:40:05jfm3Llorean: disk should be the same as the one it came with, I can show you fdisk output if that helps.
04:40:21Llorean"should be the same as"?
04:41:02jfm3Barring space aliens visiting my wife's purse and replacing her old iPod disk, yes.
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04:41:26LloreanIf it's the original disk and you haven't reformatted, why didn't you just say "It's unmodified"?
04:41:45jfm3I'm sorry if I was confusing.
04:42:59jfm3I did reformat the disk with 'sudo mkdosfs -F 32 -S 2048 -n iPod /dev/sdb2'.
04:44:09LloreanThat would be your problem.
04:44:28LloreanWhy did you reformat it with 2048 sized sectors/
04:44:44jfm3Because that's what the wiki said to do.
04:44:51LloreanWhich page?
04:44:57LloreanAs far as I know it only says to do that for 5.5G iPods.
04:45:51jfm3I see. I misread the instructions. Thank you very much for your help!
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04:49:32jfm3Okay, this iPod is now a Rockbox. Again, thank you very much.
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05:27:01luminoI was wondering if anyone could tell me about the status of the official boot loader that supports dual boot on iAudio X5
05:30:09LloreanThere's not one
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06:06:23rikaihm.... i was just looking at the rockbox site for sansa e200, everything in the status is checked off as good except for "USB handler (ALERT!) - The Sansa recognises when the USB has been plugged in, but does nothing more."...what exactly does that mean/entail?
06:09:01rikaiah.. i should have read the faq :P
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06:52:46saratogalinuxstb: (for the logs) would you take a look at FS #9205 and tell me if you think this is a parser problem?
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07:19:43johnson4hi I have some questions about installing RB on a gigabeatS
07:20:39LloreanBe aware the Gigabeat S is not yet a supported target. While it's possible to install and use to an extent, it is still intended for developers at this time.
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07:22:58johnson4I m having trouble with sendfirm, my player is not recognized.
07:23:18n1sjohnson4: what OS?
07:23:36johnson4LIBMTP_Get_First_Device: No Devices Attached
07:23:41johnson4is the output
07:24:43n1sdoes it show up in dmesg?
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07:26:08johnson4n1s How do I check that?
07:26:47n1sjohnson4: type in 'dmesg' in a console after you have connected the gigabeat
07:27:08johnson4gigabeat is turned off at this piont?
07:27:49Lloreanit can't really be connected and turned off.
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07:28:24n1sthe OF should show it's "connected" screen
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07:29:46johnson4the player doesn't respond then plugged or unplugged
07:30:04johnson4no "connected" screen
07:30:28n1sjohnson4: it is started and running the original firmware?
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07:32:01n1sodd, have it ever worked with this unit? also could you try different machines/ports?
07:32:54johnson4in windows it connects and syncs with WMP on the same machine
07:33:56n1svery strange... does usb work for other devices on the port you are using?
07:34:34johnson4ok just restarted the battery switch and now see the connected screen, standby
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07:38:34johnson4starts to load RB , the screen shows "init complete filenot found"
07:38:46johnson4then shuts down
07:39:21LloreanDid you extract a build?
07:40:01johnson4 dloaded this one
07:40:43LloreanFirst, please use real words as per the channel guidelines.
07:40:48LloreanSecond, where did you extract it to?
07:40:58n1sjohnson4: well, did you unzip it so that you have a .rockbox folder in the root of the gigabeat
07:41:51Lloreann1s: I think on first boot you actually don't extract it, due to that whole MTP thing
07:42:12LloreanUnless you boot into bootloader USB mode and then extract it
07:42:14johnson4I have not been able to see the drive on my pc
07:42:21LloreanExtracting it in the OF's USB mode, MTP, shouldn't work.
07:42:35Lloreanjohnson4: Well, why were you expecting Rockbox to boot if you hadn't finished installing it then?
07:42:39n1sLlorean: yes, but the instructions clearly state that the first thing to do after bootloader install is to get into usb mode and extracting the zip
07:43:40Lloreann1s: That's kinda why I asked him where he extracted the .zip to.
07:43:52johnson4yea my next step would be getting into usb mode but the player shuts off almost immediatly after showing the message above
07:44:04Lloreann1s: Your question, on the other hand, didn't specify using bootloader USB so could've been misleading.
07:44:18Lloreanjohnson4: So plug in the cable quicker.
07:44:19n1sjohnson4: while it's off connect usb
07:45:04johnson4still turns off after showing the message
07:45:18n1sLlorean: I often assume that people at least skim through the instructions :/
07:45:39n1sso that they would know the general steps they need to go through
07:46:49Lloreanjohnson4: As long as the cable's plugged in it should enter USB mode before it gets to that message
07:47:02Lloreanjohnson4: Could you test other devices to be sure the USB is working properly under Ubuntu for your PC?
07:47:24n1sjohnson4: Rockbox's USB mode can be a little sensitive to which port etc it used on your computer, might be worth trying different ones or doing whatever you did when it didn't connect earlier
07:47:41johnson4ok I willl try my F
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07:50:32johnson4Sorry, I should specify the message reads" Gigabeat S Rockbox Bootloader version: r##### Battery: 4.0v Init complete File not found"
07:50:36johnson4F10 works fine
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07:56:17johnson4Is using sendfirm again a good idea or.....
07:56:36GodEaterdoes the S bootloader still extract a .tar of the .rockbox directory ?
07:56:45GodEatercos then he could send it over MTP ?
07:57:20GodEateralthough unless the S suddenly became "supported" over night, I'm rather confused why we're bothering =/
07:57:26n1sjohnson4: no need to resend nk.bin because you evidently have a working bootloader
07:58:13johnson4is it normal to see "File not found" until you have .rockbox in place?
07:58:52johnson4Just normally the player would stay turned on at that piont, correct?
07:59:09n1sjohnson4: no, it is normal that it shuts down
07:59:12GodEaterI've no idea, I've never been in that situation with the S
07:59:33n1sbut it should enter usb mode if you connect usb while it's off
07:59:54johnson4unless it's connected, then it stays on?
08:00:50johnson4the screen changes if it has ented usb mode?
08:01:16n1sthe bootloader either 1) finds rockbox.gigabeat inside the .rockbox dir and starts that. 2) fails to find the file and shuts down 3) enters usb mode if usb is connected
08:01:52johnson4ok thanks, that is really clear, maybe I should reboot into Win XP and see if that helps
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08:02:31*n1s doesn't know
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08:04:32n1sit seems the tar code is still present, yes
08:04:50GodEaterjust in time for him to quit ;)
08:05:12n1si guess he'll be back if windows doesn't fix it :)
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08:09:10johnson4no better in Windows.....
08:10:07GodEaterare you back in linux again now ?
08:10:56LloreanAn important question might be where he downloaded the bootloader from. Are there any without USB enabled?
08:11:18GodEaterI think v4.0 has it...
08:11:58LloreanWell yes, any recent one should have it.
08:13:10johnson4in Windows right now
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08:14:33johnson4The bootloader is a dual-boot that was emailed to me(I didn't compile it) and it was used before in another S60 successfully
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08:15:07LloreanWhy didn't you use the official one on the wiki?
08:15:41johnson4No dual boot but I may just do that next
08:15:57LloreanThe official bootloader dual boots.
08:16:11*GodEater would STILL go down the route of the rockbox.tar file first
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08:16:39LloreanGodEater: That way will almost certainly work, but either way he should be using the current-version bootloader.
08:16:54*GodEater would rather not render his S unchargeable
08:17:09LloreanWhat would render it unchargeable?
08:17:20GodEaternot having dual boot
08:17:27GodEaterunless jhMikes suddenly fixed that ?
08:17:36LloreanWhy wouldn't you have dual boot, though?
08:18:01GodEaterhas something changed recently and we're suddenly able to distribute the OF ?
08:18:21johnson4Im confused too
08:18:25LloreanBut he said he had a bootloader.
08:18:30LloreanThe current bootloader dual boots.
08:18:51LloreanI didn't realize he meant "I was emailed a copy of the OF with the bootloader already installed"
08:19:22GodEaterif he has a dual booting bootloader, it means he has a bootloader which includes the OF
08:19:33LloreanSee, that's not "a bootloader" any more.
08:19:37LloreanI would never have made that assumption.
08:19:49LloreanFor me, a "dual booting bootloader" is "a bootloader with code to dual boot"
08:20:05LloreanFor example, the X5 bootloader isn't a dual booting one. The patched one with code from the tracker is a dual booting one. Neither contains the OF.
08:20:29johnson4I got the nk.bin file and was told it was dual booting aka switch hold for OF or Rockbox
08:20:30LloreanAs long as it's called "a bootloader", my instant assumption would've been it's referring to just the bootloader, not "an nk.bin file" or whatever.
08:20:48Lloreanbootloader = bootloader.bin, firmware image = nk.bin
08:21:06GodEaterthe "bootloader" for the S, is one file called nk.bin, which either has the OF in it, or it doesn't AFAIK
08:21:32LloreanThe "bootloader" for the S is the bootloader file which can then be inserted into nk.bin
08:21:46LloreanOtherwise the firmware partition on the iPod is "the bootloader" under the same kind of logic you just applied.
08:22:09GodEateryes, but to insert it into the nk.bin, you need to HAVE the nk.bin first - which he doesn't
08:22:15GodEaterhe now has one which already has it in
08:22:23LloreanExcept he never mentioned not having it until *after* we got to this point.
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08:23:16LloreanThere was no way I could possibly know he was referring to the bootloader merged with the OF as "a dual boot bootloader" rather than referring to merely "a bootloader capable of dual booting"
08:23:39GodEaterLlorean: chill out - I never said you did!!!
08:23:49LloreanI'm calm.
08:24:00LloreanNote the lack of exclamation points.
08:24:42LloreanBut it's probably something we should get terms for since "bootloader" shouldn't refer to both what you compile, and the post-merge nk.bin.
08:25:53Lloreanjohnson4: May I ask why you're dead-set on continuing with this despite being unable to compile, after being told it's not ready for non-developers?
08:29:45johnson4I managed to see gigabeatS in Window and moved .rockbox over there, Message now reads"init complete found rockbox binary. Moving.... returned -5 File not found"
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10:29:51gevaertsvitja: I heard you have some questions about USB?
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10:38:15vitjagevaerts, yes I had
10:38:19vitjaI'm writting driver for tcc7xx
10:38:21vitjanow I have questions mostly on hardware
10:38:25vitjathen rockbox usbstack
10:38:33vitjasomewhy after reading few control packets, next one is read as wirst word copied count times
10:40:50gevaertsI can't help much with hardware issues I'm afraid. While I do have a tcc7xx device (Logik DAX), I haven't looked very hard at it yet
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10:45:28gevaertsIf you put your code somewhere I can have a look later, but not right now as I'm a bit ill and not up to hard thinking
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10:47:42vitjaI can send it by the mail, but it's very dirty for now
10:50:01gevaertsAs I won't look at it immediately anyway, maybe wait a bit. I'll let you know when I feel better, and maybe the code will be better by then as well
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12:44:19fixUpdoes anyone know if you have to put the iRiver H10 into UMS mode after a rockbox install to access it over usb ?
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13:10:33linuxstbfixUp: Yes, I think you do - Rockbox doesn't have its own UMS mode. But I think if you hold a button (maybe ON) whilst inserting the USB cable in Rockbox, it should reboot into the original firmware's UMS mode.
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13:17:41amiconnYou need to hold Select
13:18:02amiconnThis is because then you can continue holding it to force the OF into UMS mode
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13:18:33amiconn(H10 big and H10 pure only have MTP OF, which needs holding Select on boot to enter UMS mode)
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13:44:44GodEaterwe need this, word for word, in our forums too, I think it's brilliant :
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13:49:02webguest22Anyone know about the status of the boot loader for iAudio X5 that supports dual boot?
13:50:33GodEaterit's still unofficial
13:52:58webguest22I know that it's yet to be implemented onto the official build, but should i expect it soon or is it still far away?
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13:54:31GodEaterwell it's been unofficial for ages, and I don't know that anyone's worked on it recently, so I think the chances of it becoming official any time soon are slim to none
13:56:24webguest22It's just that I saw this post on iaudiophile
13:58:15GodEateras far as I'm aware, Llorean didn't manage to make any magic happen at DevCon
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14:00:14fixUplinuxstb: thanks, It's working fine now
14:00:34webguest22Ahh.. what a shame, so I guess the only possible way to use dual boot would be to resort to the v2 boot loader?
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14:10:31GodEaterwebguest22: I'd come back when Llorean is around (about 5 or six hours from now), and ask him - he'll have a better idea than me
14:11:17linuxstbwebguest22: I don't think it's a problem - just install the unofficial dual-boot bootloader, then use official Rockbox builds as normal.
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14:35:01webguest22GodEater,linuxstb: thanks for the help
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15:46:47mcuelenaeredomonoky (logs): I suppose FS #9226 can be closed now that it's applied to the student's SVN?
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16:15:26mcuelenaerekrz (if you read logs): I've posted a fix for current SVN to fix a compile error (FS #9254)
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16:32:34krzhi all
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16:42:06mcuelenaerekrz: hi, did you see my message?
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16:43:24krzmcuelenaere: jup, i saw. so, it was resolved in the revision by adding <unistd.h>. seems it doesn't help for all
16:44:26mcuelenaereperhaps it's my set-up
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17:07:05jvmhi. i tried add my own plugin to rockbox. i did a 'cp helloworld.c myapplication.c && echo myapplication.c > SOURCES' in apps/plugins directory, and executed 'make && make zip' in my build directory, but the new application didn't show up in the rockbox applications menu. do i have to do something else?
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17:18:28webguest66jvm: You need to add it to CATEGORIES (iirc)
17:19:42webguest66jvm: echo myapplication,apps >> apps/plugins/CATEGORIES
17:20:56jvmwebguest66, thanks.
17:20:59jvmwebguest66, it works :)
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17:25:51webguest25jvm: what are you working on?
17:26:54linuxstbWith a nick like that...
17:27:31webguest25java :)
17:29:40jvmwebguest25, i want a simple application on my ipod which lets me manage my todo list.
17:30:08jvmno java...
17:30:13webguest25like a calendar?
17:31:17webguest25thing that we already have on the tracker (don't know why it is still on the tracker and not in svn)
17:31:39jvmmine should be a little bit more integrated with the calendar application i use on my desktop.
17:31:56jvmi developed it for my own needs, it is cryptic but efficient ;)
17:32:10webguest25heh :)
17:32:24webguest25checked the one in the tracker?
17:32:28jvmbut not in a state that makes it likely to be useful for anyone.
17:32:31jvmno, i didn't.
17:32:35jvmwhere can i find it?
17:32:44webguest25let's see...
17:32:50amiconnwebguest25: (1) There is a calendar in svn, but it's only for archos recorders. (2) The one in the tracker isn't committed because it doesn't accomodate small screens
17:33:05amiconnIdeally, someone should go ahead and combine them
17:34:03webguest25yeah, it shouldn' be hard to adapt for all targets
17:34:38jvmlinuxstb, you told me there was a "writing your own plugin" introduction in the wiki.
17:34:53jvmlinuxstb, i searched for it yesterday, but couldn't find one.
17:37:45webguest25amiconn: that could be nice to have it merged before the coming release, but no one worked on it since a while
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17:41:36jvmthank you both again.
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18:26:34Bosleyhello anyone really good at making themes
18:27:02Bosleycasue i dont understand how
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18:27:25LambdaCalculus37Have you read and
18:27:57Bosleyi dont understand the tags
18:28:16Bosleybefore i got Rockbox i made themes with ipod wizard
18:28:41linuxstbForget everything about ipod wizard...
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18:29:41Bosleyi sortta understand how the tags work
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18:29:47Bosleyis there a list of possible tags somewhere
18:29:57linuxstbThe first link LambdaCalculus37 gave you
18:30:16Bosleyi guess the main thing i need to know is how to place images i make
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18:34:16Bosleyactually that simple guide tells me everything i need to know
18:34:20Bosleynow to get good at it
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18:38:18mib_32k55ma0soap: Dude in the forums (thacrip) has an e200 according to his signature.
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18:38:51MarcGuayThough I guess he can assume that if it's only for the 5.5g, it will have a detrimental effect on his battery life.
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18:46:09SoapWorkWhy I ASSumed he had a 5G I'll never know.
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18:48:51pixelmaand I also thought I heard someone say that on swcodec targets using both bass and treble - would need as much power as using one eq band. But I'm not sure and don't know whether it applies to all swcodec targets (in the same amount)
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19:01:54amiconnpixelma: This is correct for all swcodec targets which have to do treble/bass in software (those with hw treble/bass don't need extra cpu power for it, obviously)
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19:04:18pixelmaaha, I see
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19:09:15amiconnOf all swcodec targets, the following ones have hardware tone control (or at least sw tone control isn't enabled): Gigabeat F/X, S; Iriver H1x0, H300; iPod G4, Color, Nano, Video; Logikdax; m:robe 100, 500
19:09:47amiconnThe others have sw tone control. Hwcodec targets all have hw tone control for obvious reasons
19:10:04SoapWorkso the safe rule of thumb is treble+bass = 1 eq band? And are the shelf filters any more efficient than the peaking filters? (I think I have the terms right)
19:10:32amiconnAfaik they aren't
19:10:59amiconnpreglow should know the details
19:12:59bertrikamiconn, can you have a look at my battery bench plugin this weekend?
19:13:05bertrikthe patch is at
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20:22:47Bosleyhey people
20:22:54Bosleyive got three questions
20:22:59Bosleyhow do you make playlists
20:23:08Bosleyhow do you get the album art to show up
20:23:33Bosleyi actually forgot the last question
20:23:41gevaertsThose sound like things that are in the manual
20:23:48LambdaCalculus37And in the wiki.
20:24:34Bosleyand is there a way to bypass rockbox and run the regualr firmware
20:24:52LambdaCalculus37Also in the manual.
20:24:56mrkikoBosley: this is in the manual also; and depends upon your mp3 player model
20:25:07Bosleysweet thanks for the help
20:25:39mrkikoBosley: :) I would say you by experience that if you ask here for things in the manual you'll receive always the same answer. Sad but true.
20:26:08*LambdaCalculus37 thinks that if no one reads the manual, we'll never be able to get that movie adaptation deal on it ;)
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20:26:43*gevaerts hopes for lots of special effects
20:27:12LambdaCalculus37WPS screens come in to life in *FULL 3D!!!*
20:28:33gevaertspacbox extra datafiles condense from a magic cloud :)
20:34:15Hillshumwith full 5.1 surround sound
20:34:20Bosleyi still dont understand how to make playlists
20:34:22Bosleyfrom what i can tell you can either add an entire directory or all the songs on your mp3 player
20:34:39HillshumBosley: What player?
20:34:53Bosleyipod 5.5 gen 30 gig
20:35:57SoapWorklong-press of the select button on a file or directory.
20:36:14SoapWorkthe PDF version of the manual is very searchable, and there are lots of hits for "playlist"
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20:39:01BosleyHillshum: thanks
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20:47:59num1The sansa e200 series uses NAND flash chips, 2/4/8Gb in size, is 8Gb the biggest chip available or does sandisk/samsung offer a chip of the same physical size/pin layout that is bigger?
20:49:25*LambdaCalculus37 shrugs
20:49:30gevaertsDoesn't the Cowon D2 use bigger chips ? I seem to recall 16Gb
20:50:26gevaertsOr even bigger. The 16 gigabyte version has 4 chips according to
20:50:55LambdaCalculus37What about the Sansa View? There's a 32GB variation of that, but what are the chips used?
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20:53:25num1hm... it looks like all players use some combination of chips, there's no straight forward 16Gb chip
20:53:38*gevaerts fixes the CowonD2Info page. It was inaccurate by a factor of 8 for some numbers
20:53:50gevaertsnum1: Gb or GB?
20:55:10HillshumThe e200v2 has two spots for flash on the PCB, my e260 has 1
20:55:56gevaertsDoesn't the e200 have a daughtercard for flash?
20:56:58gevaertsI _think_ that the larger e200s (like the 8GB) have to chips
21:00:16gevaertsIndeed. See
21:01:36pixelmaIIRC all e200s have two chips
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21:04:38pixelmaguess I was wrong
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21:05:43num1gevaerts: Gigabyte, however it's capitalized
21:06:10gevaertsnum1: ok. In that case ignore everything I said about it :)
21:06:53num1gevaerts: Thank you for the information
21:09:23Hillshummy v2 has 1
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21:36:21amiconnWhile we can do 'make zip', 7zip, bzip2 etc, we can do 'make fullzip' only, but not e.g. full7zip ...
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21:40:11gevaertssilence: ping
21:40:23bluebrotherbtw, who is hello?
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21:41:25advcomp2019o well
21:41:41bluebrotheralways the same with those guys
21:42:17pixelmabluebrother: (I now saw you already posted there) but I wondered whether had something to do with your unicode commit. I just started wondering after reading today's new post in that thread.
21:42:48bluebrotherI wondered that too, but I somehow can't explain it.
21:43:21pixelmaguess it would need some testing
21:46:37bluebrotheryep. The strange thing is that my commit only affects the file when opening it, so a possible issue should be present with the first file in the playlist, not all successive.
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23:11:11pixelmabe careful, it might kick back ;)
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23:12:55*amiconn joins petur in the kicking
23:13:21bluebrotherit's only the buildserver, not forehead ;-)
23:13:37*B4gder smacks someone else's forehead
23:13:37bertrikpoor forehead, he gets slapped a lot
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23:14:08*gevaerts hands forehead a beer
23:14:25*pixelma hands petur a 'w'
23:14:33*petur accepts
23:14:34*bluebrother wonders why the buildserver needs to get kicked again. Is it on strike for more beer?
23:14:36zewhat about the build server... if it might kick back, i'm sure it'd like to kick back with a beer
23:15:09zebluebrother: weird that 2 of us decided the build server should get beer at the same time :p
23:15:17bluebrotherhehe ;-)
23:15:39bertrikgreat minds think alike, especially about beer
23:16:14zewhich reminds me to check when i need to bottle
23:16:33*gevaerts considers committing something with "#warning thanks for the beer" somewhere
23:17:09bluebrotherthe beer plugin?
23:17:45peturhmmm a catalog of all different beers with their taste, composition,...
23:18:08gevaertss/FACTORY/BREWERY/, or it's OT :)
23:20:35*petur gives the buildserver an impatient look
23:21:18B4gder /me snaps with his fingers
23:21:29*petur hands B4gder a better stick
23:21:51peturno more beer for the buildserver!
23:22:11bluebrotheryou sure it'll go on working if you do that?
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23:24:28peturalright then... no more beer for B4gder
23:24:44*petur wonders if that won't make things worse
23:24:50B4gdermore? I didn't get any in the first place!
23:24:52pixelmayou should offer the beer as a bounty
23:25:00*B4gder just had whiskey tonight
23:25:33peturso, what's up with the buildserver?
23:26:11B4gderlook again!
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23:26:32B4gdermy fingersnapping was a bit slow
23:26:49peturnow I can go in peace
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