#rockbox 2008-08-08

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#rockbox log for 2008-08-08

00:00:38		Quit Zagor ("Client exiting")
00:00:39	n1s	Kols: yes, it must be fat for rockbox to work
00:00:50	Kols	ah ok
00:00:58	Kols	that will be the reason then
00:01:05	Kols	Thanks for your help
00:01:21	agaffney	when you say fat, do you mean fat16[b]?
00:01:50		Quit snoh ("GNU/Linux the free alternative to Windows")
00:01:50	Kols	It's just "FAT" in Partition Magic, but yeah I guess that's FAT16
00:02:00	Kohlrabi	probably not
00:02:06	Kohlrabi	FAT16 is centuries old
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00:02:23	agaffney	fat32 won't work at all with rockbox?
00:02:33	Bagder	yes it works
00:02:50	n1s	isn't fat16 limited to 4GB partitions?
00:03:00	Kohlrabi	doesn't FAT16 have a upper drive limit of like 2.6GB or something?
00:03:09	Kohlrabi	-drive+partition
00:03:16	agaffney	ok, n1s's answer above was vague (to me) about whether he was saying yes to ntfs vs. fat or fat vs. fat32
00:03:34	Kols	well my player has 40GB
00:03:41	Kols	and I'd like to use them ofc
00:03:45	Kohlrabi	so, don't use FAT16 :)
00:03:50	Kols	ok :)
00:03:51	bluebrother	windows will use the "right" FAT version itself. But if it's larger than 32GB it will refuse formatting as FAT
00:03:55	amiconn	fat16 has an upper limit of 2GB (4GB only under win nt4)
00:03:57	n1s	agaffney: fat32
00:04:03	agaffney	I know about fat16's filesystem size limits, so I guess it was a stupid question :)
00:04:35	amiconn	Rockbox supports fat32 on all targets, and fat16 only on targets where you can plug memory cards
00:04:56	amiconn	(Archos Ondio SP and FM, Sansa c200 and e200)
00:04:59	Kohlrabi	I'd be really nice if Microsoft and OpenSource folks would work on a open next gen filesystem :I
00:05:13	amiconn	The fat specs are public
00:05:15	n1s	I didn't think anyone would try to use fat16 on a 20GB disk (especially since rockbox does not by default support more than one partition on h300) ;)
00:05:24	Kohlrabi	FAT isn't going anywhere, I guess
00:06:16	bluebrother	it's working sufficiently for most cases and it itsn't too complex
00:06:23	bluebrother	*isn't
00:06:27	Kohlrabi	oh, can rockbox play embdedded cuesheets, btw?
00:06:52	Kohlrabi	the 4GB upper limit for filesize is... enerving
00:07:10	n1s	Kohlrabi: many more advanced filesystems are open source but FAT32 has some nice pros, of which simplicity and widespread support are important
00:07:39	Kohlrabi	n1s: I know that there are many OS FSs, but Microsoft won't support them, I reckon
00:08:05	Kohlrabi	I'd be really nice to not have to fallback to FAT32 for sharing files between OSes on a machine
00:08:06	Kols	So .... does rockbox support FAT32?
00:08:11	Kohlrabi	or big USB sticks
00:08:32	amiconn	Kols: Scroll 4 minutes back
00:08:36	agaffney	Kols: yes :P
00:08:37	n1s	Kols: yes, on h300 that is the only filesystem supported
00:09:00	Kols	okay, then I guess I'll have to re-flash it
00:09:40	Kols	also: 00:00<n1s>Kols: yes, it must be fat for rockbox to work
00:10:02	bluebrother	Kohlrabi: there's an ext2 IFS driver for windows, and linux can handle ntfs with ntfs3g quite nicely
00:10:35	Kohlrabi	yup
00:10:36		Quit Rob2223 ()
00:10:38	n1s	Kols: the filesystem has nothing to do with the flash and I thought that from the context it was clear that fat == fat32
00:10:42	amiconn	bluebrother: But afaik you can neither boot linux from ntfs, nor windows from ext2
00:10:50	*	amiconn thinks that the
00:11:24	amiconn	s/the/this is getting ot/
00:11:35	bluebrother	no. But if it's only for sharing files between the OSes that shouldn't be a real issue
00:11:43	Kols	n1s: I have it FAT32 formatted and I have the latest .rockbox, so what's left but flashing?
00:11:52	Kohlrabi	bluebrother: didn't the Ext2 IFS driver fux0r up the ownership and access flags?
00:12:14	Kohlrabi	don't really remember
00:12:20	bluebrother	Kohlrabi: can't remember exactly, but this is now really getting ot :)
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00:12:25	Kohlrabi	didn't boot into Debian in ages, anyway
00:12:29	Kohlrabi	true :)
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00:12:37	n1s	Kols: I though you said you had rockbox working before reformatting, the only thing that can remove the bootloader is "uppgrading" the original firmware
00:13:02	Kols	yeah I had it working before formatting
00:13:23	Kohlrabi	<Kohlrabi> oh, can rockbox play embdedded cuesheets, btw?
00:13:28	amiconn	How did you reformat? Did you perhaps also recreate the partition?
00:13:34	Kols	yes
00:13:55	amiconn	Did you make a primary partition, or an extended one with a logical drive?
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00:14:50	Kols	I made a primary NTFS, then re-formatted with FAT32 as a logical drive
00:15:06	amiconn	Rockbox only supports primary partitions
00:15:10	Kols	I had had plans to install winXP to the player...
00:15:28	Kols	ok, I'll check that
00:15:33	bluebrother	why does reformatting change a primary partition to a logical one?
00:15:44	amiconn	It doesn't
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00:15:54	bluebrother	but it seems some tool did.
00:16:02	Kols	I deleted the partition inbetween
00:16:11	Kols	and recreated it
00:16:42	*	amiconn still has that as a (moderate priority) todo
00:16:57	Kols	okay, so I need a primary FAT32 partition
00:17:43	Kols	Gonna try that tomorrow, thanks for your help everyone
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00:20:11	n1s	amiconn: to support logical drives?
00:20:11	jac0b\|w	could I use cygwin to install the gigabeat S firmware
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00:21:33	amiconn	n1s: yes
00:22:25	n1s	for the sake of completeness or some obscure usage scenario? :)
00:23:57	amiconn	We had some problem reports in the early days of the iriver port
00:24:35	amiconn	Obviously at least some irivers were shipped with the fat32 partition being a logical drive
00:25:14	n1s	aha
00:28:59	pixelma	afruff23: if I see correctly, the volume bitmap's y-position (top left corner) should be at 49 but the viewport you're displaying it in is only 31 pixels high... The coordinates always count from the top left corner of the viewport the %xd tag of the bitmap is in
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00:33:49	afruff23	pixelma, the viewport the volume is in includes text as well
00:34:26	pixelma	and?
00:34:36	afruff23	so, the coordinates are correct
00:35:09	jac0b\|w	does the nk.bin that is on the site dual-boot?
00:35:30	pixelma	afruff23: I don't understand what you want to tell me with this
00:35:31	jac0b\|w	opps its for the gigabeat s
00:35:42	afruff23	I don't udnerstand what you were trying to tell me
00:36:10	afruff23	the y positoin has no relaiton to the height of a viewport
00:36:26	afruff23	it has a relation to the y position of the viewport though
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00:38:18	pixelma	afruff23: see last note in http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS#Images and example 2
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00:39:08	afruff23	thanks
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00:44:22	afruff23	I fixed it
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00:50:36	jac0b\|w	I am setting up cygwin and I added the RB source but its asking for a FTP password
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00:53:46	jac0b\|w	n/m now it says it can't get the setup.ini.sig file
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00:56:50	jac0b\|w	can anyone help me with this
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01:09:28	n9xvt	if i turn on mi player,,,go into files,,,select a random mp3,,listen to the first few seconds then press the next track button 4 times mi player locks up,,
01:11:24	n9xvt	presing pause or menu makes the s/w go thru the motions but nothing,, same with next track or previous track,,the display changes but nothing from the player,,
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01:14:25	n9xvt	going into radio,,leaves me with nothing on the screen (just the status bar) nothing?
01:15:02	Llorean	n9xvt: You've left out several important things such as what SVN revision you're using and what player you're running it on
01:16:09	n9xvt	sorry,,sansa c240,,,and18198-080805
01:17:00	Llorean	That's 20 revisions behind. While it's not likely to fix your problem, we do always ask that you be using the most recent download from the site.
01:17:40	n9xvt	i had the installer do it yesterday? rockbox utility?
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01:18:32	Llorean	We probably average about 10 versions a day, you should always update and see if it still happens with the most recent version before reporting a problem.
01:19:34	n9xvt	i did not know that,,i thought it was only one,,wow,,let me get the latest thru the utility
01:20:09	Llorean	The manual describes the fact that there are many builds each day.
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01:28:10	n9xvt	ok,,still a problem,,
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01:28:41	Llorean	Okay, now you'll need to explain what you mean by "go thru the motions"
01:28:47	n9xvt	the only way to get it to play seems to be shut the unit off and turn it back on
01:30:24	n9xvt	the track name changes but no playing,,press menu it displays the menu,,go into radio or select a file and it will go to while playing screen and play indicator will show playing but noactually doing it,,,
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01:31:20	Llorean	So the WPS updates to show the new track metadata?
01:31:25	Llorean	If you check the playlist viewer, what does it show?
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01:33:05	n9xvt	i dont use any playlist? (just directory under files) looking under playlist just shows tracks in directory
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01:33:34	Llorean	You didn't answer my first question yet.
01:33:52	Llorean	In the playlist, though, it should indicate which track is playing. I want to know if this changes when you try to change tracks in the filetree?
01:33:54	icefart13	what is the current stage of making the firmware work on the creative zen v plus. i read the wiki but i wondered about updates. im in the market for an 8 gig player but want the ability to browse my music through folders. i hate the current interface of most players
01:33:57	Llorean	Also, have you tried resetting your settings?
01:34:11	Llorean	icefart13: The wiki and forum thread are the most up to date.
01:34:30	icefart13	ok thank you for that
01:35:05	n9xvt	yes the wps updates,,i can evan go into the files and select a different file and it'll show it on the wps,,,,no time or kbit info
01:35:34	n9xvt	re-setting my settings? the theme/wps?
01:35:45	Llorean	No, all settings.
01:35:54	Llorean	There's an option to do so.
01:36:02	Llorean	Or you can plug in USB and delete config.cfg in the .rockbox folder
01:36:21	icefart13	is there any way i could help speed up developement on the zen v plus
01:36:44	Llorean	icefart13: Read the thread, and do anything that's not yet done by someone
01:37:12	icefart13	i have no coding skills i thought i could get the player and test out or somehting
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01:37:50	Llorean	The people who are doing the work own players to test on. Generally speaking we need workers, not testers.
01:38:14	icefart13	o well what language would i need to learn
01:38:40	Llorean	C and the appropriate ASM for the CPU in the device.
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01:39:08	n9xvt	i'll delete the file and report back,,it may take me a few to put mi settings back,, or should i just try it without resetting mi settings?
01:39:48	Llorean	You should try it with cleared settings.
01:39:58	n9xvt	ok
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01:44:26	Zarathu	Hi there. I'm trying to apply a patch; before I do anything stupid, do I need to apply this patch to the Rockbox source and then compile it or is it possible to patch files in my current Rockbox installation?
01:44:49	Llorean	Source and then compile
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01:47:15	n9xvt	problem disappeared,,,possibly,,,corrupted conifg file?
01:49:52	Zarathu	Llorean: Okay, I patched it. Though, I'm not seeing a ./configure script anywhere...
01:49:56	Zarathu	Is there a "How to compile" page?
01:50:21	Llorean	Zarathu: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowToCompile
01:51:18	n9xvt	now i am having other problems,,i was trying to adjust the backlight setting and it went blank,,wont turn back on,,
01:51:19	Llorean	n9xvt: No clue. If you get it back, figure out which setting(s) cause it and post a proper bug report please.
01:51:28	Llorean	You probably set the backlight to "off"
01:51:48	Zarathu	Platform set to ipodvideo
01:51:48	Zarathu	Enter size of your RAM (in MB): (Defaults to 32)
01:51:58	Zarathu	How do I check out how much RAM my iPod has?
01:52:21	Llorean	If it was initially a 30gb one, it's 32mb, if it was initially a 60/80 it's 64mb
01:52:31	Llorean	If you don't know (refurbished, for example) choose 32 as it's safe.
01:52:38	Zarathu	I put 64.
01:54:51	n9xvt	if ya cant read the display how can ya turn on the backlight? i was just scroling thru the settings and it went out? it will turn on for booting up then just goes black?
01:56:34	n9xvt	works fine if i have it plugged into usb?
01:56:41	Llorean	n9xvt: If you had just pressed the cancel button, or moved up or down one again it would've been fine
01:56:45	Llorean	Now you need to clear settings again.
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02:11:56	n9xvt	ok the problem seems to be that config file,,the playback problems dont seem to be there,,
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02:20:20	n9xvt	thanks for you're help! i think thats done the trick,,now if only my clock would keep time! lol
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02:42:33	Zarathu	Llorean: Where can I get the arm-elf-gcc compiler?
02:42:44	Zarathu	I only have the standard gcc and g++ for i386.
02:44:02	afruff23	should I include the font I sued with my Theme? the font is unifont.fnt and it is about 1.3 MB
02:45:06	Llorean	Zarathu: in the /tools folder theres a shell script called rockboxdev.sh or something that can install them for you.
02:45:09	afruff23	used*
02:45:35	Zarathu	M'kie doke.
02:45:37	Zarathu	Thanks.
02:45:39	afruff23	i'm talking about uploading to the WPS Gallery of course
02:49:03	afruff23	I guess not since it is included with the font package
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03:03:37	afruff23	how do you check if a folder has a thumbs.db file?
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03:04:14	Llorean	afruff23: That's not exactly a Rockbox question, more of a basic computer use one.
03:04:17	Llorean	Besides, you just look.
03:05:36	Soap	afruff23, The rule of thumb should be, IMHO, if the font is in the font pack do not include it. If the font is not in the Rockbox offered font pack, include it in your WPS .zip.
03:05:51	Soap	ASSuming you have distribution rights to said font ;)
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03:23:55	afruff23	what about iconsets?
03:24:11	afruff23	specifically the tango 20x16x16 iconset?
03:24:48	afruff23	it has an appropriate license to grant me distribution rights
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03:27:52	afruff23	how do I get the HDD activity icon to show up on the UIsimulator, I have 2 Gb of ram if that matteers?
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03:35:06	Soap	_I_ think iconsets should be in the .wps files, they are so tiny as to not matter, but I'm not sure of the general consensus.
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03:36:21	Llorean	In my opinion every necessary part should be included if it's a "theme"
03:36:49	Llorean	Unless we want to create some sort of "Dependency checklist" for uploads to the new theme site.
03:36:53	Llorean	That might actually be handy, though
03:37:25	Llorean	You check off which iconset and font is required, and it links to them from the theme entry so people can download. You could even mark another theme as a dependency if you were just offering an alternate .wps file or alternate backdrop for an existing theme.
03:37:49	Llorean	But, for the moment, I say "include everything necessary"
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03:41:34	afruff23	well, including a 1.3 MB font most people already have doesn't seem very smart
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03:49:41	n9xvt	i don't have a clue what caused the problems i had but you've got it working right again,,,good night,, thanks
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04:01:01	Soap	Llorean, even include fonts? Or should we assume one has already installed the font-pack?
04:03:58	Llorean	Soap: I consider fonts "official files" so they shouldn't be wrapped in.
04:04:04	Llorean	Much like the official iconset, etc.
04:04:14	Llorean	Even though it's an "extras" package, it's one handled for you, by the installer.
04:04:42	Soap	ok - then we agree.
04:04:44	Llorean	By "everything required" I meant "everything required on top of a standard, full Rockbox install"
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04:12:36	snowveil	I've run into an issue with the newest firmware/bootloader revision on rockbox for a Sansa e260
04:13:12	snowveil	when attempting to build my database, it takes tremendously long (eg, I'm built up to song 8 out of about two thousand after about 2 minutes of waiting)
04:14:36	snowveil	I updated because my prior revision, though working fine with normal playback, had some support issues with a new MicroSDHC card...it would repeat songs on the card multiple times in the database
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04:23:16	Llorean	snowveil: By "newest" bootloader, do you mean you've compiled a new one from source?
04:24:38	snowveil	no, it's a pre-compiled version for linux
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04:35:39	snowveil	nevermind :)
04:36:06	snowveil	appears as though I must have recorded some audio with my microphone, and for some reason it was hanging up upon trying to add it to the database
04:36:20	snowveil	after deleting the voice files it appears to be working fine
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04:38:19	jfm3	Hello #rockbox. I'm installing on a 4G ipod greyscale. Used rbutilqt. Error on boot is "can't find partition." Any help appreciated!
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04:39:17	Llorean	jfm3: This usually means your iPod is improperly formatted or has a non-standard disk
04:40:05	jfm3	Llorean: disk should be the same as the one it came with, I can show you fdisk output if that helps.
04:40:21	Llorean	"should be the same as"?
04:41:02	jfm3	Barring space aliens visiting my wife's purse and replacing her old iPod disk, yes.
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04:41:26	Llorean	If it's the original disk and you haven't reformatted, why didn't you just say "It's unmodified"?
04:41:45	jfm3	I'm sorry if I was confusing.
04:42:59	jfm3	I did reformat the disk with 'sudo mkdosfs -F 32 -S 2048 -n iPod /dev/sdb2'.
04:44:09	Llorean	That would be your problem.
04:44:28	Llorean	Why did you reformat it with 2048 sized sectors/
04:44:29	Llorean	?
04:44:44	jfm3	Because that's what the wiki said to do.
04:44:51	Llorean	Which page?
04:44:57	Llorean	As far as I know it only says to do that for 5.5G iPods.
04:45:51	jfm3	I see. I misread the instructions. Thank you very much for your help!
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04:49:32	jfm3	Okay, this iPod is now a Rockbox. Again, thank you very much.
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05:27:01	lumino	I was wondering if anyone could tell me about the status of the official boot loader that supports dual boot on iAudio X5
05:30:09	Llorean	There's not one
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06:06:23	rikai	hm.... i was just looking at the rockbox site for sansa e200, everything in the status is checked off as good except for "USB handler (ALERT!) - The Sansa recognises when the USB has been plugged in, but does nothing more."...what exactly does that mean/entail?
06:09:01	rikai	ah.. i should have read the faq :P
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07:19:43	johnson4	hi I have some questions about installing RB on a gigabeatS
07:20:39	Llorean	Be aware the Gigabeat S is not yet a supported target. While it's possible to install and use to an extent, it is still intended for developers at this time.
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07:22:58	johnson4	I m having trouble with sendfirm, my player is not recognized.
07:23:18	n1s	johnson4: what OS?
07:23:32	johnson4	ubuntu
07:23:36	johnson4	LIBMTP_Get_First_Device: No Devices Attached
07:23:41	johnson4	is the output
07:24:43	n1s	does it show up in dmesg?
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07:26:08	johnson4	n1s How do I check that?
07:26:47	n1s	johnson4: type in 'dmesg' in a console after you have connected the gigabeat
07:27:08	johnson4	gigabeat is turned off at this piont?
07:27:49	Llorean	it can't really be connected and turned off.
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07:28:24	n1s	the OF should show it's "connected" screen
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07:29:46	johnson4	the player doesn't respond then plugged or unplugged
07:30:04	johnson4	no "connected" screen
07:30:28	n1s	johnson4: it is started and running the original firmware?
07:31:03	johnson4	yes
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07:32:01	n1s	odd, have it ever worked with this unit? also could you try different machines/ports?
07:32:54	johnson4	in windows it connects and syncs with WMP on the same machine
07:33:56	n1s	very strange... does usb work for other devices on the port you are using?
07:34:34	johnson4	ok just restarted the battery switch and now see the connected screen, standby
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07:38:34	johnson4	starts to load RB , the screen shows "init complete filenot found"
07:38:46	johnson4	then shuts down
07:39:21	Llorean	Did you extract a build?
07:40:01	johnson4	http://build.rockbox.org/dist/build-gigabeats/rockbox.zip dloaded this one
07:40:43	Llorean	First, please use real words as per the channel guidelines.
07:40:48	Llorean	Second, where did you extract it to?
07:40:58	n1s	johnson4: well, did you unzip it so that you have a .rockbox folder in the root of the gigabeat
07:41:00	n1s	?
07:41:51	Llorean	n1s: I think on first boot you actually don't extract it, due to that whole MTP thing
07:42:12	Llorean	Unless you boot into bootloader USB mode and then extract it
07:42:14	johnson4	I have not been able to see the drive on my pc
07:42:21	Llorean	Extracting it in the OF's USB mode, MTP, shouldn't work.
07:42:35	Llorean	johnson4: Well, why were you expecting Rockbox to boot if you hadn't finished installing it then?
07:42:39	n1s	Llorean: yes, but the instructions clearly state that the first thing to do after bootloader install is to get into usb mode and extracting the zip
07:43:40	Llorean	n1s: That's kinda why I asked him where he extracted the .zip to.
07:43:52	johnson4	yea my next step would be getting into usb mode but the player shuts off almost immediatly after showing the message above
07:44:04	Llorean	n1s: Your question, on the other hand, didn't specify using bootloader USB so could've been misleading.
07:44:18	Llorean	johnson4: So plug in the cable quicker.
07:44:19	n1s	johnson4: while it's off connect usb
07:45:04	johnson4	still turns off after showing the message
07:45:18	n1s	Llorean: I often assume that people at least skim through the instructions :/
07:45:39	n1s	so that they would know the general steps they need to go through
07:46:49	Llorean	johnson4: As long as the cable's plugged in it should enter USB mode before it gets to that message
07:47:02	Llorean	johnson4: Could you test other devices to be sure the USB is working properly under Ubuntu for your PC?
07:47:24	n1s	johnson4: Rockbox's USB mode can be a little sensitive to which port etc it used on your computer, might be worth trying different ones or doing whatever you did when it didn't connect earlier
07:47:41	johnson4	ok I willl try my F
07:47:45	johnson4	F10
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07:50:32	johnson4	Sorry, I should specify the message reads" Gigabeat S Rockbox Bootloader version: r##### Battery: 4.0v Init complete File not found"
07:50:36	johnson4	F10 works fine
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07:56:17	johnson4	Is using sendfirm again a good idea or.....
07:56:36	GodEater	does the S bootloader still extract a .tar of the .rockbox directory ?
07:56:45	GodEater	cos then he could send it over MTP ?
07:57:20	GodEater	although unless the S suddenly became "supported" over night, I'm rather confused why we're bothering =/
07:57:26	n1s	johnson4: no need to resend nk.bin because you evidently have a working bootloader
07:58:13	johnson4	is it normal to see "File not found" until you have .rockbox in place?
07:58:17	GodEater	yes
07:58:52	johnson4	Just normally the player would stay turned on at that piont, correct?
07:59:09	n1s	johnson4: no, it is normal that it shuts down
07:59:12	GodEater	I've no idea, I've never been in that situation with the S
07:59:33	n1s	but it should enter usb mode if you connect usb while it's off
07:59:54	johnson4	unless it's connected, then it stays on?
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08:00:50	johnson4	the screen changes if it has ented usb mode?
08:00:57	GodEater	yes
08:00:59	johnson4	entered
08:01:01	johnson4	ok
08:01:16	n1s	the bootloader either 1) finds rockbox.gigabeat inside the .rockbox dir and starts that. 2) fails to find the file and shuts down 3) enters usb mode if usb is connected
08:01:52	johnson4	ok thanks, that is really clear, maybe I should reboot into Win XP and see if that helps
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08:04:32	n1s	it seems the tar code is still present, yes
08:04:50	GodEater	just in time for him to quit ;)
08:05:12	n1s	i guess he'll be back if windows doesn't fix it :)
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08:09:10	johnson4	no better in Windows.....
08:10:07	GodEater	are you back in linux again now ?
08:10:56	Llorean	An important question might be where he downloaded the bootloader from. Are there any without USB enabled?
08:11:18	GodEater	I think v4.0 has it...
08:11:58	Llorean	Well yes, any recent one should have it.
08:13:10	johnson4	in Windows right now
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08:14:33	johnson4	The bootloader is a dual-boot that was emailed to me(I didn't compile it) and it was used before in another S60 successfully
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08:15:07	Llorean	Why didn't you use the official one on the wiki?
08:15:41	johnson4	No dual boot but I may just do that next
08:15:57	Llorean	The official bootloader dual boots.
08:16:11	*	GodEater would STILL go down the route of the rockbox.tar file first
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08:16:39	Llorean	GodEater: That way will almost certainly work, but either way he should be using the current-version bootloader.
08:16:54	*	GodEater would rather not render his S unchargeable
08:17:09	Llorean	What would render it unchargeable?
08:17:20	GodEater	not having dual boot
08:17:27	GodEater	unless jhMikes suddenly fixed that ?
08:17:36	Llorean	Why wouldn't you have dual boot, though?
08:18:01	GodEater	has something changed recently and we're suddenly able to distribute the OF ?
08:18:11	Llorean	No.
08:18:21	johnson4	Im confused too
08:18:25	Llorean	But he said he had a bootloader.
08:18:30	Llorean	The current bootloader dual boots.
08:18:51	Llorean	I didn't realize he meant "I was emailed a copy of the OF with the bootloader already installed"
08:19:22	GodEater	if he has a dual booting bootloader, it means he has a bootloader which includes the OF
08:19:33	Llorean	See, that's not "a bootloader" any more.
08:19:37	Llorean	I would never have made that assumption.
08:19:49	Llorean	For me, a "dual booting bootloader" is "a bootloader with code to dual boot"
08:20:05	Llorean	For example, the X5 bootloader isn't a dual booting one. The patched one with code from the tracker is a dual booting one. Neither contains the OF.
08:20:29	johnson4	I got the nk.bin file and was told it was dual booting aka switch hold for OF or Rockbox
08:20:30	Llorean	As long as it's called "a bootloader", my instant assumption would've been it's referring to just the bootloader, not "an nk.bin file" or whatever.
08:20:48	Llorean	bootloader = bootloader.bin, firmware image = nk.bin
08:21:06	GodEater	the "bootloader" for the S, is one file called nk.bin, which either has the OF in it, or it doesn't AFAIK
08:21:32	Llorean	The "bootloader" for the S is the bootloader file which can then be inserted into nk.bin
08:21:46	Llorean	Otherwise the firmware partition on the iPod is "the bootloader" under the same kind of logic you just applied.
08:22:09	GodEater	yes, but to insert it into the nk.bin, you need to HAVE the nk.bin first - which he doesn't
08:22:15	GodEater	he now has one which already has it in
08:22:23	Llorean	Except he never mentioned not having it until after we got to this point.
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08:23:16	Llorean	There was no way I could possibly know he was referring to the bootloader merged with the OF as "a dual boot bootloader" rather than referring to merely "a bootloader capable of dual booting"
08:23:39	GodEater	Llorean: chill out - I never said you did!!!
08:23:49	Llorean	I'm calm.
08:24:00	Llorean	Note the lack of exclamation points.
08:24:42	Llorean	But it's probably something we should get terms for since "bootloader" shouldn't refer to both what you compile, and the post-merge nk.bin.
08:25:53	Llorean	johnson4: May I ask why you're dead-set on continuing with this despite being unable to compile, after being told it's not ready for non-developers?
08:29:45	johnson4	I managed to see gigabeatS in Window and moved .rockbox over there, Message now reads"init complete found rockbox binary. Moving.... returned -5 File not found"
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10:29:51	gevaerts	vitja: I heard you have some questions about USB?
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10:38:15	vitja	gevaerts, yes I had
10:38:19	vitja	I'm writting driver for tcc7xx
10:38:21	vitja	now I have questions mostly on hardware
10:38:25	vitja	then rockbox usbstack
10:38:33	vitja	somewhy after reading few control packets, next one is read as wirst word copied count times
10:40:50	gevaerts	I can't help much with hardware issues I'm afraid. While I do have a tcc7xx device (Logik DAX), I haven't looked very hard at it yet
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10:43:43	vitja	ok
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10:45:28	gevaerts	If you put your code somewhere I can have a look later, but not right now as I'm a bit ill and not up to hard thinking
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10:47:42	vitja	I can send it by the mail, but it's very dirty for now
10:50:01	gevaerts	As I won't look at it immediately anyway, maybe wait a bit. I'll let you know when I feel better, and maybe the code will be better by then as well
10:51:01	vitja	ok
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12:44:19	fixUp	does anyone know if you have to put the iRiver H10 into UMS mode after a rockbox install to access it over usb ?
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13:10:33	linuxstb	fixUp: Yes, I think you do - Rockbox doesn't have its own UMS mode. But I think if you hold a button (maybe ON) whilst inserting the USB cable in Rockbox, it should reboot into the original firmware's UMS mode.
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13:17:41	amiconn	You need to hold Select
13:18:02	amiconn	This is because then you can continue holding it to force the OF into UMS mode
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13:18:33	amiconn	(H10 big and H10 pure only have MTP OF, which needs holding Select on boot to enter UMS mode)
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13:44:44	GodEater	we need this, word for word, in our forums too, I think it's brilliant : http://forum.handbrake.fr/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2741
13:46:27	slacker_nl	ahaha
13:46:29	slacker_nl	lol
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13:49:02	webguest22	Anyone know about the status of the boot loader for iAudio X5 that supports dual boot?
13:50:33	GodEater	it's still unofficial
13:52:58	webguest22	I know that it's yet to be implemented onto the official build, but should i expect it soon or is it still far away?
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13:54:31	GodEater	well it's been unofficial for ages, and I don't know that anyone's worked on it recently, so I think the chances of it becoming official any time soon are slim to none
13:56:24	webguest22	It's just that I saw this post on iaudiophile http://www.iaudiophile.net/forums/showthread.php?t=8904&page=15
13:58:15	GodEater	as far as I'm aware, Llorean didn't manage to make any magic happen at DevCon
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14:00:14	fixUp	linuxstb: thanks, It's working fine now
14:00:34	webguest22	Ahh.. what a shame, so I guess the only possible way to use dual boot would be to resort to the v2 boot loader?
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14:10:31	GodEater	webguest22: I'd come back when Llorean is around (about 5 or six hours from now), and ask him - he'll have a better idea than me
14:11:17	linuxstb	webguest22: I don't think it's a problem - just install the unofficial dual-boot bootloader, then use official Rockbox builds as normal.
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14:35:01	webguest22	GodEater,linuxstb: thanks for the help
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16:15:26	mcuelenaere	krz (if you read logs): I've posted a fix for current SVN to fix a compile error (FS #9254)
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16:42:06	mcuelenaere	krz: hi, did you see my message?
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16:43:24	krz	mcuelenaere: jup, i saw. so, it was resolved in the revision by adding <unistd.h>. seems it doesn't help for all
16:44:14	mcuelenaere	weird
16:44:26	mcuelenaere	perhaps it's my set-up
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17:07:05	jvm	hi. i tried add my own plugin to rockbox. i did a 'cp helloworld.c myapplication.c && echo myapplication.c > SOURCES' in apps/plugins directory, and executed 'make && make zip' in my build directory, but the new application didn't show up in the rockbox applications menu. do i have to do something else?
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17:18:28	webguest66	jvm: You need to add it to CATEGORIES (iirc)
17:19:42	webguest66	jvm: echo myapplication,apps >> apps/plugins/CATEGORIES
17:20:56	jvm	webguest66, thanks.
17:20:59	jvm	webguest66, it works :)
17:23:20	webguest66	\o/
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17:25:51	webguest25	jvm: what are you working on?
17:26:54	linuxstb	With a nick like that...
17:27:31	webguest25	java :)
17:29:40	jvm	webguest25, i want a simple application on my ipod which lets me manage my todo list.
17:30:08	jvm	no java...
17:30:13	webguest25	like a calendar?
17:31:17	webguest25	thing that we already have on the tracker (don't know why it is still on the tracker and not in svn)
17:31:39	jvm	mine should be a little bit more integrated with the calendar application i use on my desktop.
17:31:56	jvm	i developed it for my own needs, it is cryptic but efficient ;)
17:32:10	webguest25	heh :)
17:32:24	webguest25	checked the one in the tracker?
17:32:28	jvm	but not in a state that makes it likely to be useful for anyone.
17:32:31	jvm	no, i didn't.
17:32:35	jvm	where can i find it?
17:32:44	webguest25	let's see...
17:32:50	amiconn	webguest25: (1) There is a calendar in svn, but it's only for archos recorders. (2) The one in the tracker isn't committed because it doesn't accomodate small screens
17:33:05	amiconn	Ideally, someone should go ahead and combine them
17:34:03	webguest25	yeah, it shouldn' be hard to adapt for all targets
17:34:38	jvm	linuxstb, you told me there was a "writing your own plugin" introduction in the wiki.
17:34:53	jvm	linuxstb, i searched for it yesterday, but couldn't find one.
17:36:05	linuxstb	jvm: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowtoWritePlugins
17:36:12	webguest25	jvm:http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4760
17:37:45	webguest25	amiconn: that could be nice to have it merged before the coming release, but no one worked on it since a while
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17:41:36	jvm	thank you both again.
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18:00:05	jvm	i use malloc in my application; it works within the simulator, but when compling for the ipod, i get undefined reference to `malloc`; should i include some file, other than stdio?
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18:16:53	LambdaCalculus37	Don't we do this already? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=18090.0
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18:26:34	Bosley	hello anyone really good at making themes
18:27:02	Bosley	casue i dont understand how
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18:27:25	LambdaCalculus37	Have you read http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS and http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToWPSMaking?
18:27:57	Bosley	i dont understand the tags
18:28:16	Bosley	before i got Rockbox i made themes with ipod wizard
18:28:41	linuxstb	Forget everything about ipod wizard...
18:29:33	Bosley	ok
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18:29:41	Bosley	i sortta understand how the tags work
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18:29:47	Bosley	is there a list of possible tags somewhere
18:29:57	linuxstb	The first link LambdaCalculus37 gave you
18:30:16	Bosley	i guess the main thing i need to know is how to place images i make
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18:34:16	Bosley	actually that simple guide tells me everything i need to know
18:34:20	Bosley	now to get good at it
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18:38:18	mib_32k55ma0	soap: Dude in the forums (thacrip) has an e200 according to his signature.
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18:38:51	MarcGuay	Though I guess he can assume that if it's only for the 5.5g, it will have a detrimental effect on his battery life.
18:39:09	MarcGuay	*5G
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18:46:09	SoapWork	Why I ASSumed he had a 5G I'll never know.
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18:48:51	pixelma	and I also thought I heard someone say that on swcodec targets using both bass and treble - would need as much power as using one eq band. But I'm not sure and don't know whether it applies to all swcodec targets (in the same amount)
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19:01:54	amiconn	pixelma: This is correct for all swcodec targets which have to do treble/bass in software (those with hw treble/bass don't need extra cpu power for it, obviously)
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19:09:15	amiconn	Of all swcodec targets, the following ones have hardware tone control (or at least sw tone control isn't enabled): Gigabeat F/X, S; Iriver H1x0, H300; iPod G4, Color, Nano, Video; Logikdax; m:robe 100, 500
19:09:47	amiconn	The others have sw tone control. Hwcodec targets all have hw tone control for obvious reasons
19:10:04	SoapWork	so the safe rule of thumb is treble+bass = 1 eq band? And are the shelf filters any more efficient than the peaking filters? (I think I have the terms right)
19:10:32	amiconn	Afaik they aren't
19:10:59	amiconn	preglow should know the details
19:12:59	bertrik	amiconn, can you have a look at my battery bench plugin this weekend?
19:13:05	bertrik	the patch is at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9155
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20:22:47	Bosley	hey people
20:22:54	Bosley	ive got three questions
20:22:59	Bosley	how do you make playlists
20:23:08	Bosley	how do you get the album art to show up
20:23:12	Bosley	and
20:23:33	Bosley	i actually forgot the last question
20:23:41	gevaerts	Those sound like things that are in the manual
20:23:48	LambdaCalculus37	And in the wiki.
20:24:24	mrkiko	ehehe
20:24:34	Bosley	and is there a way to bypass rockbox and run the regualr firmware
20:24:52	LambdaCalculus37	Also in the manual.
20:24:56	mrkiko	Bosley: this is in the manual also; and depends upon your mp3 player model
20:25:07	Bosley	sweet thanks for the help
20:25:39	mrkiko	Bosley: :) I would say you by experience that if you ask here for things in the manual you'll receive always the same answer. Sad but true.
20:26:08	*	LambdaCalculus37 thinks that if no one reads the manual, we'll never be able to get that movie adaptation deal on it ;)
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20:26:43	*	gevaerts hopes for lots of special effects
20:27:12	LambdaCalculus37	WPS screens come in to life in FULL 3D!!!
20:28:33	gevaerts	pacbox extra datafiles condense from a magic cloud :)
20:34:15	Hillshum	with full 5.1 surround sound
20:34:20	Bosley	i still dont understand how to make playlists
20:34:21	Hillshum	Dolby
20:34:22	Bosley	from what i can tell you can either add an entire directory or all the songs on your mp3 player
20:34:39	Hillshum	Bosley: What player?
20:34:53	Bosley	ipod 5.5 gen 30 gig
20:35:57	SoapWork	long-press of the select button on a file or directory.
20:36:14	SoapWork	the PDF version of the manual is very searchable, and there are lots of hits for "playlist"
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20:47:59	num1	The sansa e200 series uses NAND flash chips, 2/4/8Gb in size, is 8Gb the biggest chip available or does sandisk/samsung offer a chip of the same physical size/pin layout that is bigger?
20:49:25	*	LambdaCalculus37 shrugs
20:49:30	gevaerts	Doesn't the Cowon D2 use bigger chips ? I seem to recall 16Gb
20:50:26	gevaerts	Or even bigger. The 16 gigabyte version has 4 chips according to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CowonD2Info
20:50:55	LambdaCalculus37	What about the Sansa View? There's a 32GB variation of that, but what are the chips used?
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20:53:25	num1	hm... it looks like all players use some combination of chips, there's no straight forward 16Gb chip
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20:53:50	gevaerts	num1: Gb or GB?
20:55:10	Hillshum	The e200v2 has two spots for flash on the PCB, my e260 has 1
20:55:56	gevaerts	Doesn't the e200 have a daughtercard for flash?
20:56:03	Hillshum	v1
20:56:58	gevaerts	I _think_ that the larger e200s (like the 8GB) have to chips
20:57:02	gevaerts	s/to/two/
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21:00:16	gevaerts	Indeed. See http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SandiskE200HardwareComponents#Sandisk_Flash
21:01:36	pixelma	IIRC all e200s have two chips
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21:04:38	pixelma	guess I was wrong
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21:05:43	num1	gevaerts: Gigabyte, however it's capitalized
21:06:10	gevaerts	num1: ok. In that case ignore everything I said about it :)
21:06:53	num1	gevaerts: Thank you for the information
21:09:23	Hillshum	my v2 has 1
21:09:30	Hillshum	e260
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21:35:41	amiconn	hmm
21:36:21	amiconn	While we can do 'make zip', 7zip, bzip2 etc, we can do 'make fullzip' only, but not e.g. full7zip ...
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21:39:36	Injabie3	hello?
21:40:00	*	bluebrother waits untill silence comes back
21:40:04	Injabie3	hello?
21:40:11	gevaerts	silence: ping
21:40:23	bluebrother	btw, who is hello?
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21:41:17	bluebrother	:)
21:41:25	advcomp2019	o well
21:41:41	bluebrother	always the same with those guys
21:42:17	pixelma	bluebrother: (I now saw you already posted there) but I wondered whether http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=18079.0 had something to do with your unicode commit. I just started wondering after reading today's new post in that thread.
21:42:48	bluebrother	I wondered that too, but I somehow can't explain it.
21:43:21	pixelma	guess it would need some testing
21:46:37	bluebrother	yep. The strange thing is that my commit only affects the file when opening it, so a possible issue should be present with the first file in the playlist, not all successive.
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23:11:11	pixelma	be careful, it might kick back ;)
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23:13:21	bluebrother	it's only the buildserver, not forehead ;-)
23:13:37	*	B4gder smacks someone else's forehead
23:13:37	bertrik	poor forehead, he gets slapped a lot
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23:13:57	*	petur spots a typo and sighs
23:14:08	*	gevaerts hands forehead a beer
23:14:25	*	pixelma hands petur a 'w'
23:14:33	*	petur accepts
23:14:34	*	bluebrother wonders why the buildserver needs to get kicked again. Is it on strike for more beer?
23:14:36	ze	what about the build server... if it might kick back, i'm sure it'd like to kick back with a beer
23:15:09	ze	bluebrother: weird that 2 of us decided the build server should get beer at the same time :p
23:15:17	bluebrother	hehe ;-)
23:15:39	bertrik	great minds think alike, especially about beer
23:15:51	petur	s/think/drink
23:16:14	ze	which reminds me to check when i need to bottle
23:16:33	*	gevaerts considers committing something with "#warning thanks for the beer" somewhere
23:17:09	bluebrother	the beer plugin?
23:17:45	petur	hmmm a catalog of all different beers with their taste, composition,...
23:17:47	rasher	#warning HELP I AM TRAPPED IN A ROCKBOX FACTORY
23:18:08	gevaerts	s/FACTORY/BREWERY/, or it's OT :)
23:18:18	ze	heh
23:20:35	*	petur gives the buildserver an impatient look
23:21:18	B4gder	/me snaps with his fingers
23:21:29	*	petur hands B4gder a better stick
23:21:51	petur	no more beer for the buildserver!
23:22:11	bluebrother	you sure it'll go on working if you do that?
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23:24:28	petur	alright then... no more beer for B4gder
23:24:44	*	petur wonders if that won't make things worse
23:24:50	B4gder	more? I didn't get any in the first place!
23:24:52	pixelma	you should offer the beer as a bounty
23:25:00	*	B4gder just had whiskey tonight
23:25:33	petur	so, what's up with the buildserver?
23:26:11	B4gder	look again!
23:26:18	petur	\o/
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23:26:39	petur	thanks
23:26:49	petur	now I can go in peace
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