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#rockbox log for 2008-08-09

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00:21:17drfsupercenterOK, how easy is it to modify a display theme?
00:21:30drfsupercenterI have one on my Sansa e280 that looks cool, but I hate how it shows the next song in the playlist
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00:21:37drfsupercenterSo if it's possible to tell it not to display that...
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00:25:58drfsupercenterHm, guys, to upgrade Rockbox, all I need to do is drag the new .rockbox folder to the device?
00:26:03drfsupercenterOr do I need to use the installer program?
00:26:15linuxstbdrfsupercenter: Open up the ".rockbox/wps/[themename].wps" file for your theme in a text editor, and refer to this page -
00:27:11drfsupercenterUm, they're not all there
00:27:19drfsupercenterIn the Sansa I see about 20 themes, but there's only 6 files
00:27:22drfsupercenterwhat's that mean?
00:28:19drfsupercenterOh, my bad, I was opening the wrong ones
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01:01:05WilliamC25Hello, I have a problem with playlists and I have read the manual.
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01:04:00linuxstbWilliamC25: You haven't asked a question yet...
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01:04:11WilliamC25How do you save playlists?
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01:04:18WilliamC25It doesn't seem it will let me.
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01:05:05LloreanWilliamC25: How far are you getting? What are you doing (and what does the manual say to do) and what's happening instead for you?
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01:05:25WilliamC25I have a file name, and I have no clue how to continue after that.
01:05:52WilliamC25It says dynamic.m3u8
01:05:58WilliamC25But then what do I do?
01:06:08linuxstbHave you read about how to use the virtual keyboard?
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01:06:34WilliamC25I don't see any end or enter keys on it
01:06:42LloreanWilliamC25: That's not what he asked.
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01:08:38WilliamC25Where is it in the manual?
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01:09:54WilliamC25Found it, doesn't help me
01:10:35LloreanWilliamC25: The button table where one button is described as "Exits the virtual keyboard and saves any changes" is unhelpful?
01:10:36WilliamC25Actually, it worked.
01:10:45WilliamC25I swore I did that before.
01:10:51WilliamC25I guess I didn't.
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01:45:03drfsupercenterHey guys, how do I update my Rockbox?
01:45:09drfsupercenterDo I have to run the setup program again?
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01:47:55linuxstbNo, you can extract the contents of the .zip to your device yourself if you want to.
01:48:16drfsupercenterBut what about themes and fonts?
01:48:21drfsupercenterI installed extras when I installed it
01:48:27drfsupercenterWould I just ignore those folders?
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01:48:56linuxstbThose aren't in the zip, so won't be touched when you *extract the zip to the device*
01:49:05drfsupercenterYeah they are
01:49:09drfsupercenterThere's a fonts and stuff folder
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01:50:14drfsupercenterI'm using the EscapePod theme, and it shows the next song data, but wheN I search for %Ix it's coming up negative.
01:50:14drfsupercenterIs there a substitute for that?
01:50:18drfsupercenter(I'm trying to remove that entirely)
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01:56:29linuxstbThe "x" in %Ix means any of the tags for track info - e.g. %Ia for artist.
01:56:43drfsupercenterI see.
01:56:45drfsupercenterSo %I is just next track?
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01:56:56drfsupercenterThat's what I see
01:57:03drfsupercenterSo if I delete those it'll get rid of that line?
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01:58:39linuxstbThey all reefer to the current track - lower-case i, d and f.
01:58:59drfsupercenterBut all I'd need to do is delete it?
01:59:48linuxstbIf you don't want to display current track info, then yes.
02:01:05drfsupercenterI don't want to display the NEXT song
02:01:16drfsupercenterThe theme has the current track info, then a status bar, then the times of the songs, then it shows the next song
02:01:19drfsupercenterI don't want the next song
02:01:25drfsupercenterBecause it ruins the surprise :O
02:01:36LloreanAs he said, capital letters are used for next track info.
02:01:51LloreanRead through the wiki page for exact tags, then find them in your .wps file
02:02:02drfsupercenterThe wiki said %Ix
02:02:06drfsupercenterso I just want the %I stuff?
02:02:15drfsupercenterThere's that line
02:02:22drfsupercenterThat's all next song info?
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02:05:05drfsupercenterOK, I'll try removing that.
02:05:30drfsupercenterAlso... I know the Sansa itself doesn't support charging with a power outlet cable (I have a Zune adapter that lets you plug USB into the wall), but can I do it in Rockbox?
02:05:43drfsupercenterI'm going out of town for a week and won't hav ea computer
02:09:33LloreanRockbox on the Sansa doesn't support charging period yet.
02:09:41LloreanBut I've charged my Sansa from dedicated chargers in the past.
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02:47:57reacocardquick question: are there any plans to support MTP or similar in rockbox?
02:51:10n17ikh|Lappythey're working on a USB mass storage implementation
02:53:23reacocardn17ikh|Lappy: was that addressed to me? because I dont quite see how that answers my question
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03:02:24advcomp2019reacocard, why do you need MTP support?
03:02:39Lloreanreacocard: You said "or similar", both are USB storage protocols.
03:03:01reacocardadvcomp2019: I'm a developer on Exaile, a linux media player, so having MTP support without needed to reboot to the standard firmware would be nice
03:03:36Lloreanreacocard: If you specifically, and only, cared about MTP why'd you say "or similar"?
03:04:40reacocardbecause the flyspray request mentioned the possible of creating an open protocol like MTP, which if such a thing existed i'd love to add support for as well
03:05:12Lloreanreacocard: Why is MTP at all desirable when syncing with Rockbox devices anyway?
03:05:22LloreanMTP synced music on the OF would still need a manual database init.
03:05:26reacocardso that you can avoid the DB rescan on load
03:05:35LloreanYou can build the Rockbox database from the PC.
03:05:52reacocardneat, how?
03:05:59LloreanThere used to be a tool for it
03:06:13reacocard"used to be" ?
03:06:24LloreanIf I recall the stand-alone tool doesn't quite build any more
03:06:35LloreanDue to changes in the Rockbox source, since it uses our database code directly
03:06:52LloreanThat being said, you could simply integrate support for the Rockbox database directly into your music playing software.
03:07:03LloreanWe've tried to insure the code is suitable for such things, I believe.
03:07:16reacocardyeah that may be best, though I'll have to make the python bindings myself I guess
03:07:33LloreanThen a specialized protocol is unneeded, you just sync the songs then update the Rockbox database with the new ones.
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03:08:30reacocardI see. yes that is nice, thanks. I'll look into this further
03:08:40LloreanGood luck.'
03:08:52LloreanIt'd be really exciting to see some host application support such a thing. :)
03:09:37reacocardindeed :D though handling this with ipod and rockbox will be interesting as i'll have to update both DBs
03:09:57reacocarddoable certainly, but a little awkward
03:10:41LloreanUpdating the Rockbox database is much preferred anyway
03:10:56LloreanSeveral of our devices have hardware USB so MTP is impossible on those in the first place (or anything other than UMS)
03:11:02reacocardhm, though would I have to include a C lib to support this? because exaile's plugin architechure doesn't really allow that currently
03:11:18reacocardI can use external ones fine, they just cant be embedded in the plugin
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03:12:45LloreanI dunno what your best approach is, honestly.
03:12:58LloreanI'm pretty near the limits of my knowledge about this part of the project.
03:13:19LloreanI don't believe it can be built as a standalone library though.
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03:14:31reacocardhow complex is the DB format? I guess at worst I could just re-implement it in python
03:15:07LloreanI don't know how complex it is, but it's intended to be as simple/efficient as possible for embedded processing, these devices aren't always the fastest in the world.
03:15:23LloreanIt should be possible to reimplement it.
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03:15:54reacocardexcellent, that may end up being the easiest method, since then it would work perfectly on any architechure
03:16:13LloreanThere *may* be endianness issues for the database itself.
03:16:31LloreanIt might be important to know which type of player is attached, but there should be a file you can check to tell you this anyway.
03:16:41reacocardwell, the list of devices supported is finite so that's easy to check
03:17:26LloreanIf it matters, I'm not sure either way, I just know that we have LE and BE targets.
03:17:54reacocardalright, I'll keep that in mind
03:18:30reacocardI'm grabbing a copy of the latest source now, are there any additional docs or anything that I'd need as well or is everything in the archive?
03:22:36LloreanIn the documentation index on the website there's a section, "For Developers" which is the best place to look if you do run into some further questions.
03:23:12LloreanOther than that, your best bet is the developer mailing list. While IRC is excellent if the right people around, complicated questions are best sent there so that people who aren't immediately around are more likely to see them
03:23:57reacocardalright, thanks a ton. you've been a great help
03:24:07LloreanSorry I couldn't be more.
03:24:37reacocardnot a problem, this is more than I'd anticipated when I asked my initial question :)
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03:57:00Soaplinuxstb, what changes did you make to the 5G WPS page? Wiki history doesn't work on such a large page :(
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04:00:26SoapI ask not because I am challenging any changes you made - but because I am curious what needed changed on that page which doesn't need changed on all the pages.
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04:29:34drfsupercenterOK, ack... I updated my ROckbox and now my themes are screwed up.
04:29:42drfsupercenterThe .wps of EscapePod theme is still good I think, but it won't load.
04:29:46drfsupercenterI load it and it's some other stupid one
04:30:20num1when you load your themes and they fail do you always see the same one?
04:30:41drfsupercenterThe background and fonts change... nothing else seems to.
04:30:51drfsupercenterI copied the wps folder over since it wasn't included in the new build
04:31:17num1how old was the version you updated from?
04:31:30drfsupercenterabout 2 months ago
04:31:30scorche|shdrfsupercenter: a bit back, a few bits of the WPS syntax are likely using old, broken themes
04:31:32drfsupercenterNot sure exact dates
04:31:38drfsupercenterSo what do you suggest?
04:31:42drfsupercenterIs there a new themes package I can get?
04:31:57drfsupercenterThe only one I really like is called EscapePod
04:31:58num1This is a pretty common problem, because the wps format changed
04:31:59scorche|shsee if they have been fixed in the wiki, or fix them yourself
04:32:06drfsupercenterWell can I just download new themes?
04:32:09drfsupercenterWith new .wps?
04:32:13drfsupercenterOr what
04:32:18scorche|shand please place single thoughts on one is extremely annoying when
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04:32:29drfsupercenterSorry... old habit of mine :P
04:32:42num1yes and no, there are a few themes that have been modified to accomidate the switch, but many of the themes on the site are in the old format
04:32:56num1It's pretty simple to change them yourself, let me dig up a link that explains how
04:34:15scorche|shhowever, you might find it easier to just download new ones from the wiki if they have been fixed
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04:34:53drfsupercenterCan I have a link to the themes download?
04:35:34scorche|shgo to WpsGallery in the wiki
04:36:36drfsupercenterSo all I need is the .wps file?
04:36:52num1Yeah, the only thing that changed it the .wps format
04:37:04drfsupercenterAnother question... For some reason my database refuses to update... like I'll see two of the every song, no matter how many times I tell it to update
04:37:06drfsupercenterAny ideas there?
04:37:11num1unfortunately I couldn't find that link for you, but here's a spec of the current format
04:37:27num1have you rebooted after updating the database?
04:37:36drfsupercenterYes, many times
04:38:52num1hm... when you turn on your player after updating do you see something saying "Commiting database changes [x/8]" on the screen for a few seconds?
04:39:09scorche|shdrfsupercenter: those might be trash files stored in the "recycle bin" or some ther sort of trash directory that your computer created....if you wish t be sure, create a playlist with both of the copies in them and then look at the path of the file
04:39:40drfsupercenternum1, no
04:39:51drfsupercenterscorche, you mean recycle bin on the Sansa?
04:40:13scorche|shyour computer creates is a hidden folder, but do what i suggested later and make sure
04:40:43drfsupercenterI'm set to see hidden files and I don't see any hidden folders
04:40:51drfsupercenterwith the original firmware it works fine
04:41:51scorche|shwell, is a different database...could you try putting the 2 copies in a playlist and looking at the paths?
04:42:09drfsupercenterI can once I sort out the theme thing... There's so much stuff it would take me forever to fix it by hand :/
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04:42:14drfsupercenterThere's no patch program or anything?
04:43:25num1drfsupercenter: I'm certain there is, because I've heard it talked about before, but I have no idea where to find it
04:44:20drfsupercenterIs it possible to just roll back to the old wps syntaxes?
04:44:22scorche|shthere is a script, but it only fixes the pv tag and not the viewports tag as that is a much different thing
04:44:49scorche|shhave you checked the wiki to see if the themes were updated?
04:45:04drfsupercenterThere isn't of the one theme I like
04:45:52drfsupercenterBut what do you mean viewports tag?
04:47:06num1well you could check out an old version of the code from cvs, build it yourself, and install that on your player. But it's probably much easier to update your .wps's
04:47:29drfsupercenterHeh, I'm on Windows so I can't build anything.
04:47:35drfsupercenterI'm leaving for camp tomorrow and kinda just want to get this to work :/
04:49:07num1I'm pretty certain if you backup your .rockbox folder, and replace it with the current build, , the default wps and theme will work fine for your camp and then when you get back you can work out the wps problems
04:50:16drfsupercenterThe problem is I didn't back up the old files
04:50:18drfsupercenterJust the themes
04:50:25drfsupercenterSo all that's on there is the current build with old themes
04:50:31drfsupercenterAre there any other plain themes?
04:52:31num1well, then get the current build and copy over the /backdrops, /fonts, /icons /themes, and /wps directories
04:52:40drfsupercenterThat's what I did...
04:52:47drfsupercenterBut since the wps stuff is old, it's not working
04:52:53num1I mean the other way around
04:53:01drfsupercenterOh, you mean get rid of all the old themes?
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04:53:17num1copy the new directories into whatever's installed now, it'll only overwrite your default themes
04:53:31drfsupercenterWhat if I just totally reinstalled it
04:53:37drfsupercenterI know there's an option to install all the fonts and themes
04:53:39num1your custom themes will still be there for you to fix when you get back from camp
04:53:51drfsupercenterIt wasn't custom, it was one of the "all themes" that came with the installer
04:53:59Lloreandrfsupercenter: Those didnt' come with the installer
04:54:03drfsupercenterThey were downloaded...
04:54:05drfsupercenterFrom the site
04:54:10LloreanThey're custom themes from a third party site
04:54:12drfsupercenterPoint is, I didn't make it
04:54:23Lloreanour installer is just capable of downloading them for you.
04:54:27LloreanThat site is currently entirely out of date.
04:54:28drfsupercenterIf I ran the installer again, would it find that third party site and download a new one?
04:54:38drfsupercenterSo there's no automated way to fix the .wps?
04:54:48LloreanYour only choice are "pick a new working one from the wiki" or "fix it"
04:55:04drfsupercenterI would fix it, I just don't know what I'm changing in the file.
04:55:12drfsupercenterIs there a list, like "Change this value to this value"?
04:55:13LloreanA good opportunity to learn.
04:55:27LloreanIf it was as simple as that, there could be a script to do it.
04:55:34drfsupercenterI know there's that list of all the new syntaxes, but I don't really get what the old ones mean
04:55:53LloreanYou can view old versions of the custom wps page.
04:56:18CtcpIgnored 2 channel CTCP requests in 2 hours and 35 minutes at the last flood
04:56:18*num1 puts writing a wiki page about porting the old .wps files on his todo list
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04:57:08drfsupercenterWhere is that, Llorean?
04:57:18drfsupercenterUnfortunately when my computer crashed all my tabs were lost...
04:57:18Lloreandrfsupercenter: Links at the bottom of the page.
04:57:34drfsupercenter <−− So that's the current one?
04:58:34drfsupercenterSo what's the old one? r113 or whatever?
04:58:49Lloreanthat's *an* old one.
04:58:58LloreanI don't know which revision holds the appropriate changes.
04:59:00drfsupercenterWhat would it have been back in May?
04:59:10LloreanLook for the one that removed the %P tag and changed the syntax of the %pb one to include a filename
04:59:12drfsupercenterWould it help if I uploaded the .wps file?
04:59:15advcomp2019drfsupercenter, i took me a while to fix the theme that i use but it was easier then i thought
04:59:39drfsupercenteradvcomp2019, what theme do you use?
05:00:13advcomp2019the e200 plain text theme
05:00:22Lloreandrfsupercenter: I'm not offering to fix it for you, so uploading it would be pointless.
05:00:36drfsupercenterThe one I use is called EscapePod... I like it because it's basic looking but not TOO basic
05:00:37LloreanIf it doesn't use the %m tag, and if you were using an official build it couldn't have, fixing it shouldn't take you too long.
05:00:52drfsupercenterWell let's see.. I'll open the fiel
05:01:38drfsupercenterThat's one line.
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05:02:19Lloreandrfsupercenter: Is the word "you" confusing in "you need to fix it"?
05:02:35drfsupercenterI'm not asking you to fix it... but do you know what version that is?
05:03:00LloreanOne after all of those tags were introduced...
05:03:13LloreanAs I said, you need to look for the %P and %pb tag change.
05:03:23drfsupercenterSo %P is the current one?
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05:03:30drfsupercenter%pb is?
05:03:31drfsupercenterOr what
05:03:33LloreanThat's why it's not mentioned on the wiki page at all.
05:03:38Llorean%pb was changed and %P was removed.
05:04:30drfsupercenterI'm googling to see if there's an updated version... which would save me a lot of work
05:05:12LloreanIt can be fixed in less than 60 seconds once you learn what needs to be done, and if you'd compare the page before %P was removed with the one after you could fairly easily see the changes in those two tags I suspect.
05:05:20LloreanYou're wasting a lot of time to avoid what really isn't a huge amount of work.
05:05:38drfsupercenterI just don't know what everything means... it's all jibberish to me.
05:05:40LloreanIt's only difficult if your WPS used the %m tag for margins, and if yours did it wouldn't have worked with an official build anyway.
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05:05:58drfsupercenterOK, let's see... This one was uploaded July 19. Was that before the wps change?
05:06:00Lloreandrfsupercenter: You don't need to know what anything means but those two tags, and what they mean is described on the wiki page...
05:06:18drfsupercenterOh, only two tags were changed?
05:06:23drfsupercenterI thought they all were
05:06:28*Llorean sighs.
05:06:42drfsupercenterSorry, I'm new to this... all I know is how to use my hardware LOL
05:06:58LloreanYou're as capable of reading the changelog as anyone else.
05:07:46drfsupercenter <−− Is that the changelog?
05:08:10LloreanThat's the MajorChanges page.
05:08:19drfsupercenterI just searched for changelog...
05:08:22LloreanAn excerpt of the changelog is shown on the front page.
05:08:28LloreanWith links to pages showing more history.
05:08:42advcomp2019you might want to read the forums and like the change logs
05:09:04drfsupercenterSo it would be under subversion? Or what
05:09:12drfsupercenterI can't find a page called "changelog" >_>
05:10:12LloreanThe page isn't called that.
05:10:19Llorean"changelog" is just a generic term for "log of changes"
05:10:38LloreanIn this case it's the block labelled "Subversion" on the front page, because Subversion is what we use to track our changes, so Subversion's logs are our changelog.
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05:16:26drfsupercenterHey, look at that! I downloaded another .wps and it worked fine/
05:16:32drfsupercenterGuess it was updated after all.
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05:16:44drfsupercenterSo now to address the duplicate files problem...
05:17:07drfsupercenterWhat is the difference between Initialize Database and Update Database?
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05:30:16Lloreandrfsupercenter: Update should only add or remove entries, not modify existing ones. Initialize should be like re-doing the database from scratch
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05:40:17drfsupercenterSo you're saying I should initialize database and then restart it?
05:40:31drfsupercenterI've let it sit for an hour or two and nothing happened... like how long should it take?
05:41:52LloreanI didn't say anything like that...
05:42:04LloreanI just answered your question about the difference between the two.
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05:42:16drfsupercenterWell if the database is all messed up, is it better to initialize?
05:42:21drfsupercenterI usually do both but it doesn't fix it...
05:43:29LloreanIt's better to try to figure out why it's messed up rather than just trying random things.
05:43:39LloreanAnd it's better to understand what you're doing *before* you do it.
05:43:47drfsupercenterSo what do you suggest?
05:43:55drfsupercenterAll I know is theres two or three listings for every song
05:43:59drfsupercenterif I go to Database - Title
05:44:08drfsupercenterHowever, if I just click Files and go to the Audio folder, it works fine.
05:46:10LloreanHave you checked those listings to make sure they point to the same file on-disk? For example, insert all three into a playlist then view the playlist file to see where they're located?
05:46:28drfsupercenterHm, I'll try that.
05:46:30drfsupercenterOne second
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05:46:44drfsupercenterIt's just odd that in the original firmware it works fine but with Rockbox it doesn't
05:47:24drfsupercenterHow do I make a new playlist from the player? It just says "Inserted 0 files, click previous to abort"
05:47:33drfsupercenterWhy is it odd? Because that means there's some error in Rockbox...
05:47:42LloreanBut why is it odd that there's an error in Rockbox?
05:47:47LloreanIt's unreleased software.
05:47:47drfsupercenterI also don't get why the OF even works with a folder called Audio when it should be called MUSIC
05:47:49drfsupercenteryeah I know
05:48:00drfsupercenterIt's just a weird problem
05:48:05drfsupercenterIt doesn't happen on my c200, only the e200
05:51:09drfsupercenterThey appear to point to the same file.
05:51:09drfsupercenter/Audio/Another Night.mp3
05:51:09drfsupercenter/Audio/Another Night.mp3
05:51:13drfsupercenterThat's what it shows.
05:51:22drfsupercenterI added both songs to a new playlist... so what's that mean/
05:51:32drfsupercenterIs that just some problem in initializing>?
06:01:04LloreanNo clue.
06:01:32LloreanYou might be best off resetting settings, deleting the .tcd files in the .rockbox folder, then initializing. Once. Make sure it finishes then properly shut down and boot up the device.
06:02:40drfsupercenterWhat's the tcd files do?
06:09:39drfsupercenterOh cool, I got it... I just deleted the .tcds like you said
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06:13:47n17ikh|Lappywhat would cause rockbox to load the rockbox_default theme but with different colors when trying to load a theme? Broken wps file?
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06:19:45advcomp2019n17ikh|Lappy, yes, sounds like a broken theme to me
06:19:52n17ikh|LappyI see
06:20:01n17ikh|Lappygoogling around tells me some wps elements have been removed
06:20:21n17ikh|Lappylike %P, which this wps uses :/
06:20:52n17ikh|LappyI've no idea how to fix this. Guess I'll poke at it until it goes away
06:27:16*n17ikh|Lappy throws his hands up
06:27:26n17ikh|LappyI'd have to learn the entire WPS language to do anything with this
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06:34:34Lloreann17ikh|Lappy: No, you don't.
06:34:53LloreanFind the last revision of the CustomWPS page that explains the %P tag and write down %P and %pb and their parameters
06:35:02LloreanThen view the current page and look at the new %pb
06:35:06LloreanThen adapt the old two into the new one.
06:35:24LloreanYou don't need to know any other tags if it was previously compatible with official builds.
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06:37:27n17ikh|Lappyit uses %m
06:37:33n17ikh|LappyI'd need to figure out viewports
06:37:47n17ikh|Lappyand I have no idea what it was doing in the %m lines
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06:38:17LloreanIf it uses %m then it wasn't compatible with an official build in the first place.
06:38:35LloreanActually, wait
06:38:41Llorean%m was added eventually for left margins, right.
06:38:55n17ikh|Lappyit's in the graveyard now, anyway
06:38:59LloreanWell you'll need to replace anything using a left margin with a viewport. Still don't need to know all the tags but it is a good bit more complicated.
06:39:00n17ikh|Lappyapparently the author is unreachable
06:39:24n17ikh|LappyI'm not that enamored with it
06:39:30n17ikh|Lappyif I went to that much trouble I would just write one
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06:43:52n17ikh|Lappyit was the best AA WPS I've ever come across though
06:43:56n17ikh|Lappyfor the sansa, anyway
06:44:24n17ikh|Lappyonly did a few silly things, as opposed to the majority which are awful
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07:12:00n17ikh|LappyWhere can I find the default rockbox theme so I can look at some of the tags it's using?
07:12:08n17ikh|Lappy(on the c200)
07:12:23n17ikh|Lappythe file itself claims to be never loaded by rockbox
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07:18:30n17ikh|LappyMainly, I'm trying to figure out how to get it to display (track number)/(total tracks in the album) instead of (position in playlist)/(length of playlist)
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07:20:26n17ikh|LappyI'm searching through the customwps page on the wiki and am unable to find the ability to use the id3 totaltracks tag... :/
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07:24:09n17ikh|Lappyif it exists. Maybe I could do the same thing by counting directory entries, but I can't find that one either
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10:13:39*webmind had a questions, that might not be rockbox related.. but it also might be :)
10:14:01*webmind has an ipod-nano 1st gen. running a recent version of rockbox (build from less then 2 weeks old)
10:14:12webmindit doesn't respond anymore, at all
10:14:28webmindnot even when I plug it into my usb port
10:14:37webminddoes this mean it's fubar or ?
10:15:24advcomp2019have you tried updating the build
10:15:28pixelmatried to reset it?
10:15:40pixelmaadvcomp2019: how could he?
10:16:00webmindpixelma, select+menu yes
10:16:05webmindno response
10:16:52pixelmafor how long and did you flip the hold switch before?
10:16:56advcomp2019pixelma, oops i was watching tv while typing
10:17:21pixelmawebmind: I mean - how long did you hold the buttons?
10:17:23webmindpixelma, the old switch it on off
10:17:30webmindpixelma, 10seconds?
10:18:09pixelmatry longer, there were reports of it needing 30 seconds and more
10:20:02webmindtried for over a minute
10:20:04webmindno response
10:20:27webmind(with usb plugged in btw)
10:21:02webmindI'd suspected the battery being completely drained since I forgot to put it on hold before putting it in my bag
10:21:13rasherTry without. I think it might refuse to turn off with USB plugged in.
10:22:49webmindagain nothing
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10:35:17pixelmawebmind: I would try to give it a good charge and then try to reset again. This seems to be the infamous apple bootloader bug where it refuses to boot, it is not completely related to Rockbox but it shows more often when you have Rockbox installed (because the Apple firmware usually hibernates). There are quite a few reports on this in the forums, especially about Nanos
10:48:03webmindok, thanks
10:48:53webmindis it an idea to have it on FAQ? I'm not sure who has access to that.
10:56:15n1swebmind: you can have access if you want
10:56:29webmindI can?
10:56:58n1sregister for the wiki and we'll grant you edit permissions
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11:01:05webmindn1s, done
11:01:51webmindalthough when I click on edit for my own page.. I get a blank page?
11:03:21n1sand now you have edititng permissions so try it again :)
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11:50:50mcuelenaereSoap: AFAIK you can compare revisions in the wiki using the More... link at the bottom; and then you get something like this:
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11:59:25linuxstbSoap: (answering your question from 8 hours ago) There was a typo in the download link for the Escape Pod theme (a ")" character added to the end) - so I removed that character.
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13:10:56Soaphmm, I thought I had verified every single download link. :( Thanks for the catch.
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13:13:53mcuelenaereanyone know of a TCC7x built-in codec?
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13:17:32linuxstbmcuelenaere: What do you mean? I know some have a built-in codec...
13:17:54mcuelenaerelinuxstb: vitja asked about it a few minutes agoo
13:18:38mcuelenaereI think he wants some documentation/datasheet
13:18:48linuxstbI haven't found any...
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13:19:30mcuelenaerebut if I understand correctly most of the TCC7x players have external codecs?
13:20:35linuxstbThe Wolfson datasheets are (mostly) available from Wolfson's website. The ones that don't have a datasheet appear to be almost identical to ones which do. Rockbox has many wolfson drivers
13:20:53linuxstbSome players have built-in codecs though, and afaik, those aren't documented.
13:21:25mcuelenaerewell I think vitja meant the iAudio7 is a player with this kind of CPU
13:22:00mcuelenaereBTW he'll be posting an updated patch to the tracker soon
13:22:05mcuelenaereincluding his unfinished USB work
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13:22:48linuxstbAccording to this page, it uses the codec built-in to the TCC771L -
13:23:01mcuelenaereyep, he just updated that
13:24:50linuxstbI wonder why that page originally said the tuner was the TEA5767 (vitja changed it to LV24020) - maybe some models have the TEA5767...
13:25:23mcuelenaereI don't know, perhaps we should ask him when he comes back (he leaves tomorrow on vacation for two weeks)
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13:28:10linuxstbLooking at the Chinese link from that page, it seems to say (if google is translating correctly...) that the I7 _doesn't_ have a TEA5767, rather than saying it does, so I think it was just a mistake.
13:28:29linuxstbSeems that earlier iaudios used the TEA5767
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13:30:31amiconnlinuxstb: The M3 and X5 use D&A tuners, which are modules containing the TEA5767
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13:46:23bluebrotherpixelma: just committed a fix for the utf8 playlist issue. I fooled myself when testing −− stupid playlist used :(
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13:55:10pixelmabluebrother: good to see it fixed :)
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14:00:37bluebrotherat least I can't reproduce the issue anymore. Let's see what I broke this time ... :o
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14:46:13drfsupercenterHow come all the stuff in Plugins is saying Incompatible Version?
14:46:19drfsupercenterI copied the rocks folder from the current build...
14:49:20n1swell, you need to have both rockbox.* and the plugins of a compatible version, if you just updated the plugins that might not work
14:49:45n1swhy not just unzip a new build ontop of the old one?
14:50:44drfsupercenterThat's pretty much what I did, but I had to make sure the themes and fonts folders were there from the old one
14:50:48drfsupercentersince the new build had like none
14:51:05drfsupercenterWhat other folders are the plugins in other than "rocks"?
14:51:48n1sdrfsupercenter: if you unzip ontop of the old dir any files that are not overwritten by the new zip will be left untouched so all themes, fonts etc. will be there still
14:51:56n1sand all plugins are inside rocks
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15:01:02drfsupercenterBut doesn't it overwrite from a folder level?
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15:01:09drfsupercenterWhich means the fonts folder would overwrite the old fonts folder
15:01:25amiconnNo, why would it?
15:01:38drfsupercenterI thought that's how unzipping works
15:01:46drfsupercenterAre you talking using the Windows method? Or like WinZIP?
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15:02:02amiconnDoesn't matter
15:02:17drfsupercenterSo you're saying I just extract the zip to .rockbox?
15:02:27n1sdrfsupercenter: you can also use rbutil (the rockbox utility) to update
15:02:33amiconnYou need to extract the .zip to the root of the player
15:02:40drfsupercenterThat's what I wondered... I'll try rbutil
15:04:14drfsupercenterSo should I do Full Installation?
15:04:19drfsupercenterI don't see an update option
15:05:48n1si don't know what the button is called but you don't need to reinstall the bootloader
15:05:57drfsupercenterNot the bootloader, the Install Rockbox
15:06:21n1swell, I'd expect that to do what you want
15:06:36drfsupercenterBut I don't see an actual update option
15:06:51drfsupercenterBut then again, this rbutil has been on my hard drive for over 2 months
15:06:51drfsupercenterDoes it matter when I downloaded it
15:07:33n1sit should get the latest build from the rockbox site so no it shouldn't matter
15:07:56drfsupercenterSo if I just install it again that'll work?
15:08:05drfsupercenterI'd imagine it would get the same themes and fonts as before if I told it to...
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15:14:35amiconnSomething messed up the LANG_ id order, at least on the Recorder...
15:17:31amiconnHmm, seems to be a problem in deutsch.lang
15:17:54*amiconn will check that, but no time right now
15:19:22amiconnSame problem on Ondio FM
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15:21:59amiconnX5 also has it, but not e.g. Mini or Player
15:22:09amiconnSo it must be related to recording strings
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16:29:07n1samiconn: I checked in a change that i think will fix your problem, could you confirm?
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17:04:31Xqtftqxr17858 is broken
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17:05:08Soapthank god we're on r18226
17:05:47gevaertsr17858 is more than a month old
17:06:15Xqtftqxits not working anymore
17:07:14SoapWPS issues?
17:07:16gevaertsXqtftqx: don't expect useful responses if you don't give any details
17:07:49Soapand even if you do, don't expect more than "update to the latest and try again".
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17:44:19Soapso, Xqtftqx - where in Columbus are you?
17:44:22SoapPM me back.
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18:34:36Xqtftqxim sorry soap
18:35:03XqtftqxHOw do you know im in columbus?
18:38:03gevaertsXqtftqx: try "/whois Xqtftqx"
18:38:52Xqtftqxhuh, well im not in columbus, im in marion ohio now. this isnt my house but i realy live in cleveland
18:39:46Xqtftqxits a bit off topic though.
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19:19:44Davide-NYCHello all, I'm getting an error when attempting to download the rockbox cygwin packages from
19:20:17Davide-NYC" Unable to get from <>"
19:20:39Davide-NYCAny ideas?
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20:22:02Davide-NYCI'm using WinHTTrack to download the contents of ""
20:22:59Davide-NYCI think there's something wrong with
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20:38:46bertrikmmm, powermanagement could use a cleanup
20:39:48*gevaerts seems to have heard this before ;)
20:40:03*bertrik is stating the obvious
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20:43:43bertrikwell I have some ideas about it, I think I'll write a nice letter to the mailing list about them
20:47:35bertrikDavide-NYC, I'm working with linux now, so I can't test cygwin atm, but can wget the setup.ini fine, I get a 404 on setup.ini.sig though
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20:48:55Davide-NYCbertrik: the bz2 files are downloading extremely slow, but as soon as they do I hope to trick the cygwin setup program into looking at a local directory instead of the web.
20:49:27Davide-NYCMaybe I'll just have to modify the setup.ini file to ber relative (./) instead of looking at
20:50:08bertrikah, fool it into using a cached version or something like that?
20:50:41bluebrotherdoesn't the cygwin setup do this itself? I.e. create a local cache in a folder named like the repo
20:51:07Davide-NYCit would but methinks it gets it's instructions from the setup.ini file.
20:51:23Davide-NYCDL is slow as molasses
20:56:51LloreanDavide-NYC: I don't see the .sig file on the server at all, which would explain why it can't get it.
20:59:18Davide-NYCLlorean: Should i continue my travails? Or is that file something that's easy to replace...
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21:00:36LloreanNo clue what explicit purpose it serves, so I don't know why it's missing or what amount of necessity it actually has.
21:05:03LloreanWhile it's slower, compiling the cross-compilers yourself is always an option, and in the end will ensure you have the most up to date ones.
21:06:26Davide-NYCFound the wiki page. Thanks Llorean!
21:06:38Davide-NYCFor the record:
21:07:00bluebrotherisn't CrossCompiler (almost) obvious? ;-)
21:08:06Lloreanthat page is basically the old, slow way anyway is vastly preferable.
21:08:25LloreanOh, it's mentioned there.
21:08:31*Llorean read right past it somehow
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21:14:21Bosleyis there such a thing as a music visualizer for Rockbox
21:14:41bluebrotherthere are a few plugins −− namely oscilloscope and vu meter
21:15:03Bosleysweet im gonna check those out
21:15:03bluebrotheryou can also add peak meters to the wps. But you can't add other fancy visualization stuff to the wps.
21:16:06Bosleyanyone ogt a link for that
21:16:19Davide-NYCI'm boing told by the bash shell in cygwin that I need to install curl or wget. Should I do that from the cygwin setup program? If so are there any caveats I should know about?
21:16:38rasherDavide-NYC: Yes, and no - either will do
21:16:52rasherThough Bagder will like you better if you install curl
21:17:00Davide-NYCrasher: thank and will do
21:17:25Davide-NYCis that under libs? devel?
21:17:45rasherNo idea.
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21:18:20bluebrotherDavide-NYC: you can maximize the cygwin install window and expand all items (one of the items in the top right, don't remember which exactly)
21:18:32bluebrotherthen you have a list sorted alphabetically ;-)
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21:21:45Bosleyanyone have a link for good/fun plugins
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21:22:04Davide-NYCFor the record: Libcurl can be found under Libs (in cygwin) and there is also an entry for curl-devel under devel.
21:22:36LloreanBosley: All the official plugins are included, and there aren't really places with unofficial ones.
21:23:04rasherDavide-NYC: You don't want libcurl.
21:23:10rasherDavide-NYC: You need the curl binary
21:23:21rasherIsn't there a "net" category?
21:24:18Davide-NYCYessit there is and it seems that the curl binary was already installed
21:24:23Davide-NYCback to square one
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21:26:07Davide-NYCquestion: do I run the script from inside the tools directory or from the rockbox directory (one level up)
21:26:42linuxstbIt doesn't matter
21:26:43rasherIt doesn't really matter iirc
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21:29:09Davide-NYCso bash is now complaining of an extant rbdev-build directory (which I donot have)
21:29:38rasherPretty sure you do
21:30:08rasherin /tmp
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21:31:37saratogalinuxstb: did you get a chance to look at that WMA FS entry the other day?
21:32:09Davide-NYC~/rockbox/(nothing) also did a full search with MSexplorer (all setting correct)
21:32:46Davide-NYCahh, I need gmake
21:35:58rasherDavide-NYC: I'm pretty sure you just need make. No such thing as gmake in cygwin
21:36:33Davide-NYCthe script asks for gmake so I just jumped up to / and put in "ln -s /usr/bin/make /usr/bin/gmake"
21:36:41Davide-NYC(stoel that from the web just now)
21:36:59Davide-NYCthe gmak error went away but I'm still getting the tmp/rbdev-build error
21:37:06rasherWhich gmake error is that?
21:37:37Davide-NYCit was just asking for gmake
21:37:46Davide-NYCnow it's not asking for it anymore
21:37:47rasherIn which way? It shouldn't be, if you have make already. must ask for gmake
21:38:06Davide-NYClemme look
21:38:10rasherWhat was the error message?
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21:40:20Davide-NYCI no longer have it (unless there is a log I'm unaware of) but it essentially said that I needed to install (or get) make
21:41:29rasherThis has nothing to do with gmake.
21:42:14Davide-NYCSorry, I meant to type gmake
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21:42:34iBoyhey does iBoy run off of Rockbox or its own thing
21:43:03gevaertsWell, since you seem to be iBoy I would expect you to know...
21:43:07bluebrotheriBoy: please check the manual ... there's rockboy
21:43:08rasheriBoy is not Rockbox software. I believe it's part of, or runs on ipodlinux.
21:43:25Davide-NYCwhat are the consequences of me deleting all of the tmp directories found throughout my repository under the .svn directories?
21:43:42bluebrothertmp directories below .svn?
21:44:01iBoyo ok sweet
21:44:08bluebrotherbut I wouldn't want to mess with anything below .svn
21:44:32Davide-NYCnevermind I found the tmp directory in question
21:45:08Davide-NYCworking! \o/
21:45:29rasherDavide-NYC: I assume then, that you're unwilling to help figure out the make error?
21:45:40Davide-NYCI'm willing
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21:45:43Davide-NYCwhat to do?
21:45:55rasherFirst of all, remove the gmake link.
21:46:04rasherWhatever happened, you really shouldn't need that.
21:46:40Davide-NYCas soon as this script is done
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21:47:10*Davide-NYC all I wanted to do was the the new recording screen on my H120-RTC-CFMod
21:47:16RockBoyis rockboy already on rockbox or do i have to download it elsewhere
21:47:23*Davide-NYC that should say "test"
21:47:24rasherRockBoy: Please read the manual.
21:48:31bluebrotherRockBoy: we can read IP addresses ...
21:49:20RockBoyobviously my name isnt different from iBoy to think you guys wouldnt know it was me
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21:49:48gevaertsWhy are you trying so hard to not follow the channel rules?
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22:03:14Davide-NYCPardon my ognorance (and I've just checked the wiki) but does the rockbox utility support any hardware mods?
22:03:37SoapWorkto RBUtil, your CF transplant should be transparent.
22:03:54Davide-NYCSoapWork: what about RTC?
22:04:24*Davide-NYC haha oggnorance: ignorance of ogg vorbis
22:04:52SoapWorkdoes the H1x0 RTC modification still require a custom-build?
22:05:06Davide-NYCI think so
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22:05:30SoapWorkI ask for RBUtil will not install anything but "current builds" from the servers...
22:06:01SoapWorkin other words the question is moot because you must do a manual install of any custom build anyway.
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22:07:17Davide-NYCYeah, that is what I suspected. Thanks
22:09:01bluebrotherwell, you could adjust rbutil to download from a different location. Shouldn't be too hard, but you need your custom build anyway
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22:11:17Davide-NYCbluebrother: right now, when I attmept to flash using the current build I get "incompatible version" from iriver_flash
22:11:44Davide-NYCMy suspicion is that if I use an RTC enabled build I'll be able to flash properly
22:11:57bluebrotherDavide-NYC: is that using a modified bootloader?
22:12:10Davide-NYCversion 7 pre3 (IIRC)
22:12:15bluebrotheririver_flash only checks the bootloader file AFAIK.
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22:13:18Davide-NYCIt's been so long that I do not remember. Now the contents of the .rockbox folder and the version in RAM/ROM are not playing nice. Unfortunately I may have made a bit of a mess.
22:13:49bluebrotherwell, just reinstall Rockbox and then reboot before trying to flash.
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22:14:14Davide-NYCand boot from disk?
22:14:14bluebrotherhaven't had any issues with this way
22:14:38bluebrotheryep, you need to boot from disc first (otherwise plugins and plugin api most likely won't match)
22:15:11Davide-NYCata error -80
22:18:13Davide-NYCi had to rolo first
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22:23:09Davide-NYCfor the record: RTC is not auto-detect
22:23:32Davide-NYCThe new recording screen looks dope! (dope = good)
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22:37:44midgeyBagder: around?
22:38:31midgeyI have a question about how to handle splashes in plugins
22:41:11peachtoastrasher: ping
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22:43:02rasherpeachtoast: I'm here. Another time, please just say what you have to say - that way I know what you wanted, even if I'm no longer here.
22:43:44linuxstbsaratoga: Which WMA FS entry?
22:43:54linuxstb(the answer is no anyway...)
22:44:05linuxstbmidgey: Why not ask all of us? ;)
22:44:18midgeywell, sure
22:45:08midgeyright now you can call gui_syncsplash (splash for plugins) with a virtual pointer
22:45:39midgeyas in splash(HZ, ID2P(LANG_BLAH))
22:46:12peachtoastrasher: Sorry about pinging you. That was LambdaCalculus37's fault. :) I wanted to know if I could be the maintainer for the Tagalog Language File.
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22:46:24midgeynow in gui_syncsplash, these ids are converted back to strings and voiced if needed
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22:46:42midgeyand they are converted using macros
22:47:20midgeyfor plugins, those macros are slightly modified but splash.c was compiled with the core macros
22:47:59midgeyi was trying to figure out the best way to convert a plugin virtual pointer
22:48:01rasherpeachtoast: Sure, I'll add you with the next update (hint hint)
22:48:39peachtoastrasher: Thank you. :)
22:48:41midgeyright now all plugin strings are accessable via plugins only
22:49:12rashermidgey: does your work change lang.[ch] much?
22:49:30peachtoastI'll be going now.
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22:50:12midgeyrasher: do you mean language.[ch] ? lang.[ch] is generated during runtime
22:50:37midgeyerr, compile-time
22:51:37rashermidgey: Nope, I meant the latter - I'm working on changing language sources to use XML, and rewriting genlang in the process (I'm still undecided as to whether it's a good idea, but continuing the work for now). Just curious if I'll be obsoleted in the process
22:52:52midgeyrasher: well, in the latest patch i sent Bagder and sdoyon i think there are no changes to lang.[ch]
22:53:22midgeyin the version I'm working on now, P_LANG_ are in the enum right after LANG_ and before VOICE_
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22:55:11midgeythe patch on the tracker is a buggy btw, it's useful to review but doesn't actually work correctly. i'll post the version i sent Bagder and sdoyon soon or i'll post what i'm currently working on
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22:55:39rashermidgey: That's quite minimal - means less work for me. Are you using the user: field in langfiles?
22:56:09midgeynot in the core lang file, i use it for plugins
22:56:41rasherI should check your patch, I suppose
22:56:54midgeyright now theres a table at the front of the plugin lng that says how many strings are in each lang, the file size and file offset
22:57:12rasherSo there are multiple langfiles now?
22:57:27midgeyi need to modify genlang to sort the strings by user and place them in the lng file in the proper user order
22:57:39midgeynope, only one lang file
22:57:53rasherAh okay
22:57:58rashergenlang is a bit nasty :\
22:58:40midgeyfile size is size of each set of language strings. as in blackjack needs to load 478 bytes, chopper needs 145
22:59:16midgeyrasher: indeed :/ it didn't help that i had basically no exposure to perl before attempt to hack my way through
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23:03:08rashermidgey: The patch on the tracker has seperate langfiles in plugins/ - did you change it since that to use the main langfile?
23:03:29midgeyoh, i misunderstood
23:03:45rasherAh, so there are two langfiles per language now?
23:03:46midgeythere's one lang file per language for plugins and one for the core
23:04:51midgeyi hadn't considered one lang file per language but it should be doable with some genlang trickery.
23:05:16midgeyI'd rather work on gettings splashes working correctly with the macros
23:05:31rasherIt seems to me more proper to have it all in one file, but yeah, better work on more important stuff
23:05:47midgeybased on some of the changes I've made over the last few days, it might be easier just to combine into one file
23:06:31amiconnI think the core could be a user the same way as the plugins
23:07:50midgeyif I change to the one lang file approach, a blank user can represent a core string
23:08:21rasherI think we might as well spell it out, once we start using the user: line
23:08:22midgeythat saves having to change all lang files to user: core
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23:10:56midgeyi can start changing to one lang file some time tonight or tomorrow. now that i've thought about it for a bit, i think it will simplify a few things. specifically in genlang and a bit with language loading
23:12:27rasherIf it simplifies things, please go ahead! But I didn't mean to push you towards working on this just to make me happy
23:13:47midgeyi don't think it will be too much work (of course now that i've said that... :) )
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23:18:23saratogaanyone here feel like helping with some coldfire ASM?
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23:33:36Davide-NYCrasher: I haven't forgotten, but this script is still running and I have to go soon. How do I unlink make and gmake?
23:34:26bluebrotherDavide-NYC: you can simply delete a symlink (rm <foo>)
23:34:46bluebrotherI guess gmake is simply a symlink to make −− or vice versa
23:35:36rasherDavide-NYC: Yeah, just delete the gmake link
23:37:06Davide-NYCI'll try to recreat that error and report back on the forums. (or on the tracker if it seems to warrant it)
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23:37:57amiconnsaratoga: Maybe I can help
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23:43:11Guest88187is there anyway i can make my e250 caompatible with itunes or itunes-like software?
23:43:27saratogaamiconn: I'm assemblerizing the faad filterbank.c file
23:43:44saratogaits almost identical to the code for WMA, but I need to make one minor change in the coldfire ASM for one of the functions
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23:44:56saratogaright now the code does "add.l %%d0, (%[dst])+;"
23:46:07saratogathis needs to become a seperate add and a store I think
23:46:33amiconnYes, looks like it
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23:47:54saratogaI don't understand coldfire, but I think that does *dst++ = *(d+0) + *dst ?
23:48:35amiconneh, what?
23:49:10amiconnThe mentioned instruction does *dst++ += d0
23:49:16amiconn(d0 being a register)
23:49:41saratogaugh d is also the input variable to that function
23:49:58amiconnThe % just marks a register, and it needs to be %% if you use it in an asm() block in C
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23:51:13amiconnWhat's 'd'?
23:56:13amiconnThat looks like a mixup...
23:57:19mcuelenaereis enable_fiq()/disable_fiq() used in not-ARM specific Rockbox code?
23:57:23amiconnThe function header for the C version has the new parameters, and the asm parameter list does too. But the header for the asm version seems to be old
23:57:37amiconnmcuelenaere: No, fiq is arm specific
23:57:52mcuelenaereok, so I don't have to define it in MIPS targets
23:58:04saratogaamiconn: sorry, forgot to change the header
23:58:35amiconnsaratoga: Your problem shouldn't be difficult to solve. And btw, if that's used in WMA, and dst is line aligned there, the pasted code is sub-optimal for WMA as well
23:58:41Stephenccif a theme has a cc license on can we upload it to the wiki after updating it ?

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