#rockbox 2008-08-11

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#rockbox log for 2008-08-11

00:02:48		Join svens [0] (n=svens@84-75-240-133.dclient.hispeed.ch)
00:04:55	svens	hello all. everytime i rebuild my rockbox and copy it to my player the config.cfg gets overwritten. is there a way to set a 'default' config.cfg which gets included when doing 'make zip' ?
00:05:43	amiconn	config.cfg does not get overwritten by installing a new build
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00:07:22	svens	hmm. my language settings are being resetted everytime i copy my new build to the ipod. maybe it's an ark issue ?
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00:10:08	pixelma	do you have the hold switch enabled when connecting to USB?
00:14:59	svens	no. i've now made some changes to tools/buildzip.pl which should now include my config.cfg. thanks
00:15:46	rasher	Isn't there something like "fixed.cfg" anyway?
00:15:56	pixelma	in a usual zip, config.cfg is not included and so can't overwrite your old one
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00:17:14	bluebrother	svens: there are two possibilities: (1) you enable the hold switch when booting. This will reset the settings. (2) you have problems with your filesystem ...
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00:44:33	saratoga	can things in the codeclib allocate IRAM, or does that have to be done in the codec itself and passed in?
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00:53:07	PAssanger	hi
00:53:33	PAssanger	someone can say me
00:53:49	PAssanger	if rockbock will be prot in samsung yp-u3j
00:53:50	PAssanger	?
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00:56:45	PAssanger	?
00:57:18	saratoga	PAssanger: I dont think anyone has mentioned working on it
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00:58:43	PAssanger	then, i never see rockbox ion my mp3 player?
00:58:48	PAssanger	:(
00:59:01	linuxstb	saratoga: The codeclib is statically linked with each codec, so I would expect it to be able to use IRAM.
00:59:14	saratoga	PAssanger: well you're welcome to work on it, but otherwise I wouldn't expect much movement
00:59:32	linuxstb	PAssanger: Someone may come along and do it, but those people are rare. If you want Rockbox, your best bet is to buy a supported player.
00:59:47	saratoga	linuxstb: so if I allocate a lookup table in IRAM in the codeclib it doesn't use space for codecs that don't access the lookup table?
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01:00:25	linuxstb	saratoga: Yes - if it's in its own .c file, then the linker can strip it out for codecs that don't use it.
01:00:52	safetydan	Anyone tried building the cross compilers with mingw?
01:01:20	saratoga	linuxstb: good to know
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01:02:50	linuxstb	saratoga: The only complication will be if you want it in IRAM for some codecs, and not others. Maybe you'll need to define it twice, with different names (in different .c files, or with some Makefile/pre-processor magic to compile it twice from same source)
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01:03:56	saratoga	linuxstb: I'm just thinking of the IMDCT trig tables, and those should always be in IRAM on all targets, so that shouldn't be an issue
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01:35:45	Yondering	hmm I think I bricked my sansa =p
01:36:41	advcomp2019	Yondering, what is it doing
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01:38:15	Yondering	advcomp2019, I had rockbox working on it, but it wouldn't boot back into the sansa OS to connect via usb the way it's supposed to.. tried updating it per instructions (recovery mode, etc..) now it just hangs on the 'sandisk' splash screen when I try to start it. I've been trying the instructions on the unbricking page repeatedly for a while now..
01:38:25	testfire	Hey guys, just installed rockbox and none of the themes are showing there playback themes...
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01:39:28	Yondering	advcomp2019, I'm not positive I have the correct bin files to reinstall sansa and try again. =/
01:40:36	advcomp2019	testfire, there is broken themes
01:40:45	Yondering	I can connect in recovery mode still, but copying the .mi4 file over does nothing.
01:40:58	testfire	advcomp2019: How can I fix this?
01:41:57	advcomp2019	testfire, you need to edit the theme or look for a newer theme
01:42:27	testfire	advcomp2019: I installed all of the themes provided in the rockbox utility...
01:43:39	advcomp2019	Yondering, weird that recovery mode did not fix that issue
01:43:53	Yondering	advcomp2019, yeah :=/
01:45:32	advcomp2019	testfire, there is a thread on the forums on how to fix it or you can read the wiki about themes to fix it
01:45:56	testfire	Ok, I'll look for it...
01:47:02	Yondering	incidentally, happen to know of a good 4gb or larger (prefer flash-based) mp3 player that'll handle mp3 & ogg?
01:47:21	testfire	sansa e260?
01:48:23	Yondering	testfire, I just bricked a 260
01:48:26	Yondering	;)
01:48:41	testfire	That sucks... what version was it?
01:48:51	testfire	I was lucky to get v1
01:49:00	Yondering	rhapsody.. =/ it's a v1 though
01:49:01	advcomp2019	Yondering, have you tried recovery mode again with the sansa.fmt file
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01:49:11	Yondering	yes, advcomp2019
01:49:18	Yondering	several times =/
01:49:38	testfire	Yondering: I just did that with my e260 and it fixed it right up...
01:49:50	testfire	Yondering: are you using linux?
01:49:55	Yondering	yes
01:50:09	testfire	What does it do when you try to boot it up?
01:50:17	Yondering	hangs on the splash screen
01:50:28	testfire	the sansa scree?
01:50:36	Yondering	first one.. sandisk
01:50:45	testfire	oh :(
01:51:12	Yondering	oki.. touch/media/16_format/sansa.fmt?
01:51:34	testfire	yup
01:51:57	Yondering	and disconnecting.. ok, says formatting..
01:52:04	testfire	advcomp2019: do you have a link for the theme help?
01:52:16	testfire	Yondering: okay let it sit till it's done
01:52:23	Yondering	testfire, will do.
01:52:26	testfire	then take lock off and turn on
01:53:39	advcomp2019	testfire, here is the thread from the forum: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17507.0
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01:54:09	testfire	advcomp2019: TY
01:54:54	Yondering	upgrade finished.. resetting..
01:55:18	Yondering	nada =/
01:55:49	testfire	Yondering: that really should have worked :(
01:56:05	testfire	I think there is a tool for windows to restore it
01:56:14	Yondering	I have been fiddling with it for a while now.. tried a few diferent mi4 files trying to recover it
01:56:52	testfire	where did you get them from?
01:57:44	Yondering	http://forums.sandisk.com/sansa/board/message?board.id=e200&message.id=3975#M3975
01:57:55	Yondering	hm, wrong link.
01:58:00	Yondering	http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4.html
01:58:08	Yondering	and one from sandisk
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02:00:32	testfire	Well It's a good thing e260's are kind cheap now...
02:01:22	Yondering	well.. wasn't all that cheap when I bought it, but I don't think I'll be buying another.
02:01:46	testfire	I got mine the day it was listed on newegg.com..
02:02:23	testfire	advcomp2019: thats Greek to me...
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02:03:44	advcomp2019	testfire, that is why i said you might want to find newer themes if you do not know is going on
02:04:11	testfire	I got some off of rockbox themes and they are the same :(
02:04:24	testfire	advcomp2019: where can I find "New" themes?
02:05:39	advcomp2019	there is theme in a wiki page on rockbox
02:06:33	testfire	http://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=176x220x16 ?
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02:07:10	advcomp2019	not that page
02:08:19	Yondering	badabing.. no fsckin idea what I did differently, but I got it working now.
02:08:28	testfire	I'm having a terrible time trying to locate the page you mentioned :(
02:08:44	testfire	thats great Yondering!
02:09:12	Yondering	now to see if I can throw rockbox on it correctly this time ;)
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02:09:56	testfire	Yondering: Do you use the rockbox utility?
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02:10:50	Plouj	hi guys, it's me again
02:11:43	Yondering	testfire, it wasn't working for me before.. tried a manual installation. I'm going to try the utility this time.
02:11:49	Plouj	what player would you recommend that I look for if I want a combination of good rockbox support with a good set of features?
02:11:53	Plouj	(player features)
02:13:26	Plouj	ah
02:13:36	*	Plouj reads the Subjective Discussion in the BuyersGuide
02:13:53	testfire	I use Ubuntu Linux and it works fine for me...
02:14:28	testfire	Plouj: The Sansa e200 line seems to be a good choice...
02:15:03	ackers	i have question.... if rockbox was added to sansa clip what would be different?
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02:16:17	testfire	The clip doesn't have much in the way of hardware does it?
02:17:43	ackers	what do you mean?
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02:18:24	saratoga	the clip is the same hardware as teh V2 sansa, except that I think it doesn't have any DRAM
02:19:11	ackers	is that a good thing or a bad thing?
02:19:12	testfire	I really want to see a port for the view, then I'll be getting a new MP3 player...
02:19:36	saratoga	probably means you wouldn't be able to run Rockbox on it without a lot of work
02:19:59	saratoga	unless i'm remembering wrong
02:20:08	Plouj	does anyone know of any projects of writing Free Software firmware for any in-production players?
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02:20:44	saratoga	i don't think anyone is working on the View, theres no datasheet for the CPU and it doesn't seem to be all that different then the V2 E series
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02:21:09	advcomp2019	testfire, here is the themes that is newer(i hope): http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsSansaE200
02:21:14	saratoga	Plouj: this is a rockbox channel
02:21:36	testfire	advcomp2019: thanks!
02:21:39	Plouj	saratoga: so...?
02:23:53	sin613	read the IRC guidelines at the site
02:23:58	Yondering	hehe.. awesome. Now it won't boot rockbox or sansa. This rocks.
02:26:20	saratoga	yeah pictures online don't show any DRAM on the Clip
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03:20:16	reacocard	are there docs on the rockbox tagcache DB structure anywhere? or is the source code the only reference?
03:30:25	JdGordon	only the source code
03:30:45	reacocard	thought as much >.<
03:31:21	reacocard	I'm trying to make a taccache updater in python, so I can update the DB from the host machine instead of having rb do it on boot
03:31:26	num1	reacocard: but if you figure something out please don't hesitate to write a wiki page so we have at least some docs
03:32:09	reacocard	i certainly will, ive already got a fair bit of it figured out, its mainly the structure of the main index that is giving me trouble now
03:32:26	reacocard	here's what I have: http://pastebin.ca/1165432
03:32:30	num1	reacocard: that's a great idea! if you get anything please send me the code I'd use that constantly
03:33:15	reacocard	so right now I can read the _[0-8] DBs pretty well, but how the main DB relates to these I dont know
03:33:29	reacocard	num1: if it gets anywhere ill send it to the mailing list
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04:20:55	Soap	Anyone know Mark Coleman's IRC / Forum nick?
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04:22:30	Soap	He slapped a CC license notification on one of the graveyard themes (X5 - Pulse) - but didn't update the .wps file or anything else...
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04:46:32	saratoga	would it be easy to update rbutil to detect the ipod classic and report that its unsupported
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05:00:06	Llorean	saratoga: I think we don't know if there's anything that distinguishes them yet.
05:00:24	Llorean	I imagine there must be, since iTunes can distinguish, but we need to know what it is too.
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05:48:01	reacocard	hey could I get write access to the wiki? I'd like to start documenting the rockbox DB format, as I now have a lot of it figured out. wikiname is ArenOlson
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05:51:49	Yondering	ok.. I think I've done this so many times I've managed to confuse myself. Trying to unbrick an e260r again.. anyone about?
05:54:40	saratoga	reacocard: done
05:54:49	reacocard	saratoga: thanks
05:55:05	saratoga	Yondering: you're probably not going to have much luck finding anyone at this hour
05:55:15	Yondering	saratoga, thanks anyway :)
05:55:23	saratoga	that said, everything is on the wiki and Daniel's page, so I'd start reading through all that
05:55:29	saratoga	should be able to figure it out from that
05:56:03	Yondering	yeah.. I've been digging through it.. trying to follow the unbrick page as close as I can.. this thing is acting weird though. sometimes it does what the wiki says, sometimes not.
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05:59:00	advcomp2019	Yondering, are you using the right firmware
05:59:18	Yondering	advcomp2019, near as I can tell :(
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06:02:23	advcomp2019	Yondering, are you using this file: http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/e200/rhapsody/rhapsody-1.0.2.31.zip
06:02:58	Yondering	advcomp2019, I've tried that one once before I think.. if you believe it's the right one I'll stick with it.
06:03:40	advcomp2019	the e200 and e200R firmware is different that is why i asked
06:04:53	Yondering	ok.. I downloaded that one again, to be sure it's right.. separate directory..
06:05:41	Yondering	just says upgrade finished, resetting.. turn it on again and.. the same.
06:07:50	advcomp2019	ok.. are you sure it is an e200R?
06:09:14	Yondering	positive.. the reason I wanted to try rockbox in the first place was to get rid of rhapsody bugging me all the time when I just wanted to play my own files. ;)
06:10:07	advcomp2019	o ok i was just checking
06:10:37	Yondering	np :)
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06:11:09	Yondering	I think I messed it up with e200tool actually.
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06:11:33	Yondering	the sansa.fmt trick doesn't seem to want to work.
06:11:40	advcomp2019	you used the e200tool on what OS
06:12:07	Yondering	linux
06:12:37	advcomp2019	o ok good
06:12:39	Yondering	I wonder if I tried to use the wrong image with it..?
06:14:32	Yondering	trying one now... http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/e200/BL_SD_boardSupportSD.btl
06:15:09	advcomp2019	that is the e200r bootloader
06:15:44	Yondering	should be the proper one to use then, correct?
06:16:05	advcomp2019	yea
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06:22:00	Yondering	ok.. recovery mode.. copy pp5022.mi4 and BL_SD_boardSupportSD.btl, and create sansa.fmt, correct?
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06:25:30	Yondering	cool.. that worked.
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06:30:01	advcomp2019	Yondering, is it working now then?
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06:31:03	Yondering	advcomp2019, yes.. back to factory setup on it, thanks.. now to see if I can get rockbox working properly once & for all. I've written the recovery steps down if I screw it up again. Thanks again.
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06:32:56	Yondering	hmm actually.. this thing isn't harassing me any more about rhapsody. I wonder if it'll play ogg without rockbox..
06:33:39	JdGordon\|phone	i dont think the sansas can play ogg....
06:34:10	Yondering	didn't think so either.. throwing some on it now to test
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06:37:28	advcomp2019	JdGordon\|phone, the only one i know that can is the sansa clip
06:37:48	Yondering	if it doesn't.. I'll just keep tinkering with rockbox. Had it working once before but couldn't boot back to sansaOS or connect with usb the first time. The second time around I couldn't boot either sansa or rockbox. ;)
06:38:41	Yondering	hmm copy a directory with ogg files and they disappear. interesting. ;)
06:39:32	advcomp2019	the sansa firmware will not read oggs unless you use rockbox
06:40:00	Yondering	ok. I just hope I can get installed properly for once.
06:40:21	Zambezi	Will iPod Nano 3gen be supported in the future? Is it on the todo-list or is it just difficult to make for various reasons?
06:41:15	advcomp2019	Yondering, if you follow the steps right it should work
06:41:29	Zambezi	It would be awesome with a iPod Nano and relacing the memory from 4 GB to 32 GB.
06:41:39	Zambezi	And then have Rockbox.
06:41:51	Yondering	advcomp2019, that's just it, lol.. I thought I was following the steps. :)
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06:42:03	advcomp2019	Zambezi, there is no one working that one so not sure when it will happen
06:42:18	Galois	if you want 32GB flash then get a sansa v1 and wait for 32GB microSDHC cards to come out
06:44:26	Yondering	32gb.. that's a lot of music.
06:44:29	Zambezi	Galois: And rob and bank so I can afford it? :-P
06:45:56	Galois	the most affordable choice for rockboxable flash memory is probably the 2GB sansa e250 on froobi.com for $30, plus an 8GB microSDHC from amazon for another $30
06:47:58	Zambezi	I have just 4 GB now. I have an iPod mini 2gen so I just need a gluegun and a flashcard. There's 32 GB.
06:48:39	Yondering	hmm 10g for $60, eh? that's not bad at all.
06:50:59	Zambezi	Holly f! I think a store mispriced a memorycard. Or what do you think about a CF-card 32 GB for 10 dollars? :-D
06:53:22	Galois	CF is one of those huge flash cards right
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06:53:41	Yondering	could not find rockbox bootloader. =/
06:53:46	Llorean	This discussion of memory cards and prices isn't really relevant to Rockbox development or support.
06:54:40	Yondering	hm - can't load rockbox.mi4 - file too big - can't load rockbox.e200 - file not found?
06:55:10	advcomp2019	Yondering, you did not put the .rockbox in the right location or did not put it there
06:55:23	Llorean	advcomp2019: That wouldn't explain "file too big"
06:55:25	Yondering	I cp -r .rockbox mnt/
06:55:52	Yondering	as per instructions, exactly
06:56:06	Llorean	Yondering: What instructions are you following, exactly?
06:56:17	Yondering	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200RInstallationFromLinux
06:56:22	advcomp2019	Llorean, o i saw the file not found first
06:57:21	Llorean	Yondering: And your players is mounted at mnt/?
06:58:05	*	Llorean wonders who wrote those instructions, as they seem really kinda roundabout
06:58:14	Yondering	~/rhapsody/rockbox/mnt
06:58:20	Llorean	Yondering: Okay, what did you mean by "could not find rockbox bootloader"?
06:58:37	Yondering	that's what it says on the screen when I turn it on ;)
06:59:11	Yondering	hang on.. will get you the entire text.. gonna take me a moment
06:59:35	Llorean	That means you haven't installed something exactly as directed, though I don't know what as I'm rather curious what's giving that message.
06:59:48	Llorean	The Rockbox Bootloader is basically the first thing run, so there would be nothing before it to give that message.
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07:01:58	Yondering	Rockbox boot loader Version: 4.0 Sandask Sansa e200 Partition 0: 0x0B 3184 MB Partition 1 0x04 20MB mi4 size: 0 can't load rockbox.mi4 File too big Can't load rockbox.e200 File not found
07:02:07	Yondering	flashes that for a moment and shuts down
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07:04:05	Llorean	So nothing that says "could not find rockbox bootloader"
07:04:09	Llorean	Those messages come from the bootloader.
07:04:20	advcomp2019	sounds like the rockbox build you downloaded was a bad download or you have a corrupted file system on sansa
07:04:22	Llorean	Check your Rockbox.mi4 file and compare it to the one in the archive.
07:05:14	Yondering	this was freshly downloaded, is there a list of md5 checksums I can compare?
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07:05:38	Llorean	No.
07:05:49	Llorean	Just compare it with the one still inside the archive, or redownload the archiver and compare.
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07:09:03	Yondering	oh well, I'll have to make another stab at it later :) thanks.
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07:29:31	Yondering	aw, cool. got it working now, copied the files with a file manager instead of a terminal window. don't know why that would have made a difference, but I'm not complaining.
07:33:46	Yondering	thank you again for all the help, advcomp2019 and Llorean!
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10:45:42	Llorean	LinusN: I removed his post and asked him politely in PM to repost it in English.
10:46:43	LinusN	btw, how do i re-read the forum rules once i have registered?
10:47:19	pixelma	btw. it was meant as a helpful post
10:47:21	Llorean	The forum rules aren't actually in that initial screen, it's more or less just a disclaimer and a reference to the rules post.
10:47:45	LinusN	pixelma: i'm sure it was
10:48:18	Llorean	As far as I know you can only re-read the agreement by logging out and clicking "Register"
10:48:21	pixelma	though he could have included a translation (pointing to the forum guidelines and the thread in the new port section)
10:48:27	Llorean	But I think I only added one sentence to it.
10:48:34	LinusN	Llorean: that's not very good
10:49:13	Llorean	LinusN: The forum guidelines themselves are in the announcement forum.
10:49:56	Llorean	The agreement is just an agreement to follow the posted guidelines, and a disclaimer saying that we (the host) don't validate posts, don't promise that anything posted will verifiably be true, etc, etc.
10:51:18	Llorean	As I said at devcon, I'd like to tidy up the rules. Make them more user friendly, less "long and boring" and easier to respond to positively.
10:51:31	LinusN	ah, yes
10:51:34	Llorean	But haven't gotten around to it obviously. =/
10:52:14	LinusN	:-)
10:54:02	B4gder	Llorean: talked with the floss guys yet?
10:55:45	Llorean	B4gder: They haven't contacted me again, so no arrangement ever got made beyond the agreement to do it. So I don't know.
10:55:53	B4gder	aha
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11:00:58	Llorean	I've sent a follow up, though, so I guess we'll see
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11:36:22	tonz	hey folks, first of all rockbox rocks ;) but lately, well it is present since months, the file ordering changed on my rockboxed iriver h120 the directories are orderd in reverse starting with z, the files seem to be okay ... what can i do? i want the directories to be in alphabetic order, starting with A
11:36:55	linuxstb	There's a setting that controls the sort order - maybe it's been changed accidentally?
11:37:29	tonz	yeah, tried that, but this only lets me choose between time and alphabetic order
11:37:47	linuxstb	And if you choose alphabetic order, it doesn't work?
11:38:15	n1s	sond related to FS #8949
11:38:35	tonz	it works, but it orders from z to a, which is not what i want
11:38:54	n1s	s/sond/sounds/
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11:40:24	tonz	thanks n1s
11:40:31	tonz	that helped a lot
11:40:32	tonz	:)
11:41:13	tonz	bye folks
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11:41:42	B4gder	was that sarcasm?
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11:42:10	n1s	my detector stated to blink too...
11:42:14	n1s	r
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12:20:14	linuxstb	vitja: Hi, I thought you were on vacation? ;)
12:23:44	vitja	linuxstb, no I'
12:23:57	vitja	I'm just going tomorrow
12:24:35	vitja	last steps with multimeter
12:25:44	linuxstb	I've just been looking at your latest iaudio patch - it's looking good, but I have a couple of very minor questions/comments... Firstly, why did you make the change to tools/configure to change the $tool variable to use the telechips format for the main Rockbox binary?
12:26:17	vitja	hmm cause it doesn't work the old way
12:26:26	linuxstb	The pcm-tcc7xx.c should be named pcm-telechips.c - to be consistent with the other -telechips.c files, but I can fix that when I commit.
12:26:32	linuxstb	vitja: What didn't work?
12:27:30	vitja	linuxstb, -add i7 -tcc=crc work for me
12:28:11	vitja	linuxstb, rename that of course and initial values should be added for other ports
12:28:30	vitja	linuxstb, and there are some problems with FIQ on tcc77x for me
12:29:24	linuxstb	How are you loading the main rockbox binary? Still with tcctool?
12:29:36	linuxstb	I guess you are, as the NAND driver isn't working...
12:29:42	vitja	linuxstb, yeah
12:29:56	vitja	that's not a problem for me
12:30:11	vitja	I can flash it in, but it can't do anything useful now
12:30:18	vitja	just like OF too)
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14:11:19	B4gder	so what is the setup.ini.sig really?
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14:27:15	LinusN	B4gder: i wish i knew
14:27:29	B4gder	I googled for a while but failed
14:28:05	LinusN	could it be a pgp signature?
14:29:22	B4gder	it didn't look like one of them "ordinary" gpg ones at least
14:29:42	B4gder	but I'm not the expert in that field
14:33:36	LinusN	if they require a cryptographic signature for the setup.ini file, how are you supposed to distribute 3rd party packages?
14:33:49	LinusN	odd indeed
14:34:00	GodEater	what are we talking about ?
14:34:10	LinusN	cygwin
14:34:26	GodEater	ah
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14:34:38	LinusN	http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9263
14:47:06	linuxstb	I wonder what would happen if you just put an empty (or random) file there - i.e. would cygwin just give a warning, or refuse to use the setup.ini?
14:50:18	LinusN	worth a try
14:50:39	linuxstb	Is setup.exe open source? I'm struggling to find the source to it on cygwin's site...
14:50:49	LinusN	i believe it is
14:51:20	B4gder	http://sourceware.org/cygwin-apps/setup.html
14:52:13	B4gder	I like that link to the command line argument docs
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15:13:45	petur	it has been for some time now...
15:14:25	LambdaCalculus37	I'm glad that Rockbox has "gone green". ;)
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15:15:24	pixelma	if you want to see some red, look at the delta table instead ;)
15:17:01	LambdaCalculus37	Binary sizes went up? That's no good! ;)
15:17:14	petur	no, more like RAM usage
15:17:28	LambdaCalculus37	Ahh.
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15:46:19	JdGordon	anyone wanna have a quick look at a fixme I found in playlist.c:2076?
15:56:24	JdGordon	haha, this fixme is almost excatly 2 years old!
15:56:26	JdGordon	to the day!
15:57:24	LambdaCalculus37	Haha!
15:57:28	JdGordon	r10544 \| miipekk \| 2006-08-12 21:00:39 +1000 (Sat, 12 Aug 2006)
15:57:32	LambdaCalculus37	Long time to wait! :)
15:58:15	LambdaCalculus37	Damn, over 8000 revisions ago, too!
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16:15:30	JdGordon	can bookmarks only be used with dirplay?!
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16:30:40	luckz	I have rockbox on my X5L as of about two years ago. just recently I did my first update in around 9 months and used rbutilqt.exe to install the newest bootloader and rockbox version. now, my rockbox has issues shutting down/starting again - after I shut it down and when I turn it on again, no matter if that's a minute or a week later, it most of the time shows "shutting down..." in the display and I have to hold the power button for a while to be able to start pro
16:30:49	luckz	in the display and I have to hold the power button for a while to be able to start properly <- cutoff, I suppose
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16:33:14	pixelma	luckz: it's not a problem http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=18066.0
16:33:44	luckz	ohhh
16:33:59	luckz	okay, so I just have to hold down the on button longer, alright.
16:35:03	Quazgaa	rockbox can actually play video well now?
16:35:16	Quazgaa	last i checked (like a year ago) it was still pretty crappy on video
16:36:16	JdGordon	do people use bookmarks to bookmark inside the current track? or inside the track inside the playlist? or is there no real difference?
16:36:30	linuxstb	Quazgaa: What device do you use Rockbox on?
16:36:42	Quazgaa	x5
16:37:13	linuxstb	Quazgaa: Then I would expect Rockbox's video playback to be quite good.
16:37:34	Quazgaa	when i tested it it could do 15 fps with no sound
16:37:59	linuxstb	Quazgaa: Now it's 32fps with sound - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer
16:38:11	Quazgaa	nice
16:42:47	B4gder	JdGordon: a bookmark is really within a specific song in a particular playlist
16:43:44	JdGordon	hmmm
16:49:20	pixelma	there was some discussion about bookmarks during devcon, must be in one of the recorded meetings
16:51:55	JdGordon	I've got some motivation so i want to fix them (2nd time lucky :p ) im at a brick wall because I have no idea how they should be stored/named...
16:52:22	JdGordon	dirplay and m3u playlist bookmarks are easy... but inram playlists? where should they be saved, and what name?
16:52:32	JdGordon	open the keyboard? that slows the whole thing down...
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16:54:38	n1s	JdGordon: usually they are saved in the parent dir with the name of the dir the file you were playing
16:55:34	JdGordon	but a playlist with random tracks?
16:55:55	JdGordon	I was tihnking adding a .rockbox/bookmarks/ folder and either asking the user, or..?
16:56:22	n1s	i have no idea, i don't use the feature :P
16:57:04	JdGordon	neither :p I just know its not done nicely
16:57:24	linuxstb	If a bookmark is "a position in a song, in a particular playlist", then shouldn't saving a bookmark also save the playlist (if it's an in-ram playlist)?
16:58:00	amiconn	The bookmarks contains that info
16:58:05	amiconn	*bookmark
16:58:28	JdGordon	well, the way I would change it is to just copy the .playlist_control file and add the resume info to the end of that, so it will work for any type of playlist
16:59:05	JdGordon	in my test it didnt even let me create a bookmark if it wasnt a dirplay playlist
16:59:18	amiconn	A bookmark file can contain multiple bookmarks
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17:00:05	JdGordon	?
17:02:47	JdGordon	amiconn: ... explain?
17:05:16	*	amiconn wonders what explanation is needed
17:05:28	*	GodEater does too
17:05:42	amiconn	A .bmark file can contain more than one bookmark.
17:05:57	GodEater	i.e. more than one resume point
17:06:19	GodEater	and when you open it, you see a list of all those points that you can choose from.
17:06:29	linuxstb	Referring to different playlists, or just different points in the same playlist?
17:07:44	GodEater	I think the same, I'm not sure how you'd place a bookmark from more than one playlist in the same .bmark file
17:07:50	GodEater	but don't quote me on that
17:08:06	GodEater	I don't use the feature very often at all
17:08:22	JdGordon	is that part of bookmarks really important?
17:08:33	amiconn	Iirc the .bmark file contains one line per bookmark, i.e. in theory the playlists could be different
17:09:09	amiconn	JdGordon: I don't know as I don't normally use bookmarks, but for those who do, backwards compatibility might be important
17:09:37	JdGordon	well, what I'm suggesting would kill backward compatibility anyway
17:11:06	GodEater	I don't think it would make sense to throw away the multiple marks per bookmark file at all
17:11:14	GodEater	when I have used it, that's a particularly good feature
17:11:48	LambdaCalculus37	Same here. It's very useful on audio books and radio plays.
17:12:03	JdGordon	when the playlist is only one file though?
17:13:08	JdGordon	well, I guess it could be kept, but we still have the problem on how/where to save the .bmark file
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17:20:46	JdGordon	are bookmarks added to the exsisting bmark file (if there is one) automatically?
17:23:41	LambdaCalculus37	Yes.
17:24:31	JdGordon	ok
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17:35:46	toffe82	Does replaygain works on the sansa E ? I looks like it doesn't or I copy the wrong files on my sansa ?
17:36:46	linuxstb	toffe82: It should work the same on all swcodec targets.
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17:37:42	toffe82	strange, I will check my files because I have a big differenc in level from one song to another and I didn't have it with the gigabeat X
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17:43:24	saratoga	toffe82: i've also noticed some replaygain weirdness lately
17:43:48	saratoga	but have been too busy to investigate
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17:48:50	gevaerts	JdGordon: did you listen to the bookmark/playlist related parts of the devcon meetings? There may be useful bits there
17:49:32	*	gevaerts can't remember if those were day one or day two, and the summary on the website doesn't mention this bit
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17:50:46	JdGordon	I lestened to them at the time... I think I remember the talk being more about yes it should be done more than how
17:52:08	gevaerts	There was a suggestion about merging bookmarks and playlists. I don't remember the details though
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18:42:17	Peter200lx	is it best to have a viewport, if I'm only using one for the screen?
18:42:59	jac0b\|w	that is up to you
18:43:06	Peter200lx	I'm moving the text down a few extra pixels, but it's not necessary
18:43:33	Peter200lx	I'm wondering if there's any extra work for the PMP if I user viewports
18:43:40	Peter200lx	*use, not user
18:43:41	jac0b\|w	is the viewport the size of the screen
18:43:54	Peter200lx	slightly less, I have the status bar enabled
18:44:22	Peter200lx	and to give it a tiny bit extra room, I'm moving down my wps by a few more pixels then would be by the default
18:44:25	jac0b\|w	I myself wouldn't use one
18:44:29	Peter200lx	ok
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19:19:07	amiconn	JdGordon\|zzz: Regarding your proposal - .playlist_control is not in m3u format.
19:20:20	amiconn	It rather contains instructions how to rebuild the playlist. This is most often far more compact than the actual playlist, and also significantly faster to load (that's why it's implemented like this...)
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20:06:44	LambdaCalculus37	rasher: I fixed three missing strings in the Brazillian-Portuguese language (no translations); the patch is at FS #9265.
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20:10:09	rasher	LambdaCalculus37: will commit
20:13:29	LambdaCalculus37	rasher: Cool.
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20:50:11	Stephencc	Soap you about ?
20:51:28	petur	pixelma: did you already try my latest changes?
20:53:04	pixelma	not yet
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21:14:24	Stephencc	anyone got an ipo dnano 1g and could test the updated themes on the wiki ?
21:14:37	Stephencc	they look ok in the sim but I wanted someone to test on teh device ?
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21:16:33	*	n1s posts a patch to add a table over supported audio formats in FS #9266 and hopes to get some corrections/suggestions for improvements
21:19:25	LambdaCalculus37	n1s: AAC files can also have the .m4a extension.
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21:21:26	n1s	LambdaCalculus37: ah, so m4a and m4p for aac and m4a and m4b for alac?
21:22:57	n1s	umm s/m4p/mp4/
21:23:13	LambdaCalculus37	n1s: I was about to say... :)
21:23:54	LambdaCalculus37	n1s: .m4b files are audio books. I don't know if they come in lossless files as well, so you can just add them under AAC.
21:27:08	n1s	so all three for both aac and alac then?
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21:30:28	LambdaCalculus37	n1s: For lossless, exclude .m4b until it's confirmed that there are lossless audiobooks.
21:31:11	rasher	Isn't .m4p protected files?
21:31:34	LambdaCalculus37	Yeah, they are, and therefore shouldn't be listed to avoid confusion.
21:31:57	n1s	ok, gotcha, I got these combinations from id3.c but i guess both alac and aac use the same metadata parser so maybe that decides which codec to load.
21:32:07	n1s	rasher: good point
21:33:07	n1s	also we don't recognize m4p only mp4
21:33:30	n1s	s/only/but/
21:34:50	n1s	I decided to not list ape at all for the targets where it isn't realtime on any compression level
21:35:20	rasher	Ah. So AAC:[m4a,m4b,mp4] Alac:[m4a]?
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21:35:38	rasher	Wait, AAC:[m4a,m4b,mp4] Alac:[m4a,mp4]?
21:36:27	n1s	that's what i was going for, yes
21:37:07	rasher	Do we accept raw aac or alac?
21:37:55	n1s	neither are listed in filetypes.c so i don't think so
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21:44:04	ChristopherW	Has anyone looked at FS #9209 recently? I attached a patch which allows the md5sum plugin to be interrupted. It also increases the size of the read buffer to 16KB (from a measly 512 bytes) which improves the performance considerably
21:44:42	tzafrir_laptop	hi, how can I tell a sansa V1 from V2?
21:44:53	tzafrir_laptop	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaFAQ#Which_Sansa_models_does_Rockbox mentions V2 as unsupported?
21:45:07	tzafrir_laptop	Are those different models? Same device with a different firmware?
21:45:27	n1s	no completely differnt hardware
21:46:06	gevaerts	With unfortunately the same outer shell, so basically the only way to tell them apart is firmware version
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21:46:46	tzafrir_laptop	Any idea how can I be sure to buy a V1 device? Or those are unlikely to be available anymore
21:48:38	gevaerts	There may still be some around, but if you buy new you're pretty likely to get a V2
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21:51:27	LambdaCalculus37	Or try here: http://www.froobi.com/SanDisk-Sansa-e280-8GB-MP3-Media-Player-Factory-Recertified_p_78-32283.html
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22:05:12	reacocard	does anyone know what key to use to turn off the ipod simulator? or is it jsut closing the window?
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22:10:05	rasher	reacocard: just close the window. The simulator doesn't simulate shutdown afaik
22:10:13	n1s	reacocard: yeah, just close the window
22:10:33	reacocard	alright, thanks
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22:12:00	saratoga	n1s: .aac is a raw AAC stream, and pretty much nothing decodes those, so we shouldn't list that extension
22:12:58	n1s	saratoga: ok, thanks for clarifying
22:14:10	bertrik	petur, do you think FS #9227 is ready to commit?
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22:17:30	pixelma	oh, I just recently discovered the related bug report and thought that it only applied to hwcodec targets based on Marc Guay's comment and so only tested on my Ondio
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22:22:00	petur	bertrik, sure....
22:22:07	petur	gtg anyway
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22:22:33	n1s	pixelma: could you look at fs#9266 when you have time?
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22:30:56	pixelma	n1s: yes, will do in a bit
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22:49:20	pixelma	n1s: one thing from reading the diff - wavplay is not a hwcodec thing. The Player can't play wavs because of its MAS type. You could use the "masf" feature instead
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22:53:56	pixelma	and while you're at it - the "mp3" in the hwcodec player table is not wrapped in a \fname{} and hence looks differently. I would think it's better if it would use \fname too and also mentioned .mp2
22:54:29	pixelma	I meant the "supported file types" table there
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23:03:17	pixelma	n1s: other than that it looks good... only one other suggestion: maybe link the second table in the swcodec player manuals from the "various" line in the former so that one can easily see that there is additional information somewhere?
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23:20:29	rasher	pixelma: Yeah, right now genlang strips ALL comments. It should probably be modified to allow comments on the first lines
23:20:42	rasher	Or only strip comments with 3 #s
23:23:26	pixelma	aha, ok. I just need to be a bit careful with that for the moment so it doesn't vanish again.
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23:31:52	kugel	Hm
23:32:00	kugel	Can anyone tell me the buttons for a-b mode?
23:32:05	kugel	I can't find in the manual
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23:32:30	bluebrother	Play + Left / Right (h100)
23:32:35	kugel	for e200 please :)
23:32:44	kugel	I'll try it anyway
23:32:56	pixelma	I'm pretty sure it's in the WPS button table now
23:33:07	JeffreyRodriguez	Hello all :)
23:33:30	kugel	pixelma: I can't spot it (http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansae200/rockbox-buildch4.html#x7-510004.3.1)
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23:33:58	JeffreyRodriguez	Just signed up and was wondering if anyone could assign me wiki write permissions
23:34:24	JeffreyRodriguez	created an Ipod Video theme to share
23:35:08	kugel	pixelma: Found it, in keymap-e200.c...
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23:36:09	rasher	pixelma: genlang should be fixed now
23:36:33	bluebrother	JeffreyRodriguez: is your nick the same as your real name?
23:36:51	pixelma	kugel: it's in the general settings chapter, part of the repeat mode description
23:36:54	JeffreyRodriguez	yes
23:37:31	JeffreyRodriguez	thought it said use real name somewhere when I signed up must have been opposite since looks like no one else is lol
23:37:53	kugel	pixelma: Ah. Well, I expecpted to be in the wps keymap description (too)
23:38:05	bluebrother	no. You need to use a real name in the wiki, but not in the forums or on irc.
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23:38:15	JeffreyRodriguez	ahh ok
23:38:30	bluebrother	ok, you should have write permissions now
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23:38:37	JeffreyRodriguez	Sweet thanks :)
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23:38:47	bluebrother	you're welcome
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23:39:22	pixelma	kugel: it's not just a simple button (combo) press for all targets
23:39:39	pixelma	from the WPS I mean
23:39:53	kugel	pixelma: I understand, but for those, it should appear there too
23:39:56	pixelma	rasher: thanks :)
23:40:21	*	bluebrother awaits a manual patch from kugel :P
23:40:57	kugel	grr
23:41:06	kugel	Maybe.
23:41:13	bluebrother	hehe :)
23:41:17	kugel	;)
23:42:51	kugel	Has anyone seen buschel lately?
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23:50:45	MarcGuay	Any particular reason for the Merchandise wiki page being "deleted"? Seems to still be active...
23:52:06	MarcGuay	the above being directed at rasher, or Llorean I suppose...
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23:52:38	rasher	MarcGuay: Huh, Llorean told me it was closed - didn't bother to check
23:53:18	MarcGuay	rasher: Okay. I might not have checked closely enough myself. Just saw the product listings...
23:54:22	rasher	MarcGuay: Yeah, no idea. I guess Llorean is needed to settle this
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