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| 00:02:41 | Llorean | rasher: Okay, it was *supposed* to be closed, I'm not sure why it wasn't. |
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| 00:29:01 | Soap | JeffreyRodriguez, I don't mean to be a party-pooper - but I don't see where you have rights to redistribute the FSM images... |
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| 00:30:57 | Soap | Outside that, nicely done, clean and well commented WPS. |
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| 00:33:43 | n1s | pixelma: thanks for checking it out :) |
| 00:35:50 | JeffreyRodriguez | i read the websites copyright and it cc-by-sa and states in the details anything can be used if credit is given |
| 00:36:06 | JeffreyRodriguez | put credit in the cfg and wps and in the description |
| 00:36:16 | linuxstb | JeffreyRodriguez: No, there's a "NC" clause on http://www.venganza.org/ |
| 00:36:18 | JeffreyRodriguez | also emailed the owned |
| 00:36:25 | JeffreyRodriguez | NC? |
| 00:36:40 | linuxstb | Non-commercial |
| 00:36:42 | JeffreyRodriguez | owner* |
| 00:37:01 | JeffreyRodriguez | hmm |
| 00:37:03 | linuxstb | And your theme is just plain CC-BY-SA |
| 00:37:35 | JeffreyRodriguez | didnt think opensource theme on opensource software would fall under commercial |
| 00:38:07 | Soap | the point is you can't change the clause the images are released under. |
| 00:38:15 | Soap | s/clause/restrictions/ |
| 00:38:35 | linuxstb | JeffreyRodriguez: Rockbox's licence (the GPL) doesn't prevent commercial use, so we would prefer the themes didn't either. |
| 00:38:39 | Soap | I didn't see the CC-BY-NC-SA note on the site - I'll look again. |
| 00:38:49 | linuxstb | Soap: It's right at the bottom of the home page |
| 00:38:51 | JeffreyRodriguez | Ill send the owner another email and ask if he says its not ok ill take it down |
| 00:39:04 | JeffreyRodriguez | its at the bottom read click details to |
| 00:39:52 | JeffreyRodriguez | Ill send him another email and ask |
| 00:40:08 | Soap | linuxstb, yea - just found it. |
| 00:40:19 | JeffreyRodriguez | is it ok? |
| 00:40:52 | Soap | at the minimum you need to mention the text of your theme is CC-by-sa, but the images are cc-by-nc-sa |
| 00:40:53 | linuxstb | JeffreyRodriguez: IIUC, your theme must also be CC-BY-NC-SA if you use those images |
| 00:41:12 | JeffreyRodriguez | ahhh |
| 00:41:27 | JeffreyRodriguez | is it possible to delete and reupload? |
| 00:41:38 | * | linuxstb is starting to dislike the variety of CC licenses... |
| 00:42:17 | Soap | JeffreyRodriguez, you don't have deletion rights, just upload a second file and change the link. |
| 00:42:25 | MarcGuay | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9236 - Seems the "reboot on connect" is still imperfect. Tempted to close the task, though... |
| 00:42:31 | JeffreyRodriguez | ok.. will that put me in the graveyard |
| 00:42:37 | JeffreyRodriguez | since its nc |
| 00:42:41 | linuxstb | Can't you simply replace the file? It will then become v2 of it. |
| 00:42:57 | linuxstb | i.e. attach a file with the same name. |
| 00:43:03 | JeffreyRodriguez | ok |
| 00:43:12 | amiconn | Hrmpf. There seems to be a problem on Ondio wrt writing to large MMCs :( |
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| 00:43:58 | Soap | no - it is still a "permissive" license - which will allow others to "fix" your theme and such - which is the only requirement for the gallery at this time. linuxstb and others want the official replacement theme site (coming soon) to be permissive and non-restrictive licenses only. |
| 00:44:16 | MarcGuay | I like how Tomers replied with a top-post. I hope it was meant to be funny, because it is. |
| 00:44:32 | Soap | "no" as in it won't put you in the graveyard. |
| 00:45:38 | JeffreyRodriguez | damn forgot to click hide in my haste to reupload |
| 00:46:25 | JeffreyRodriguez | hope someone can remove it from the bottom since it seems I cannot |
| 00:46:37 | MarcGuay | JeffreyRodriguez: Manage -> Hide. |
| 00:46:45 | JeffreyRodriguez | ok thanks :) |
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| 00:54:57 | JeffreyRodriguez | ok files and description updated with CC-BY-NC-SA as license |
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| 01:09:02 | amiconn | MarcGuay: "reboot on connect" has always been unreliable (for usb) since distinction of usb chargers from true usb has been added |
| 01:11:37 | MarcGuay | amiconn: I see. I thought it was back to being reliable. It seems as though detecting chargers is a bit broken as well (http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6465) |
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| 01:19:59 | MarcGuay | How seriously should people take product license agreements such as "You may not modify, reverse engineer, decompile, or disassemble"? |
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| 01:40:37 | n17ikh|Lappy | I know the FAQ says remotes don't work but how about line out? |
| 01:41:21 | advcomp2019 | n17ikh|Lappy, line out works the last i knew |
| 01:43:06 | n17ikh|Lappy | any idea if work is currently being done on the other functionality of the connector? |
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| 02:13:14 | JdGordon|zzz | amiconn: I know that (re the playlist_control file format) |
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| 02:25:04 | rwong48 | rockbox supports unicode by default right? i can't find anything on the wiki :( |
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| 02:25:58 | rasher | rwong48: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UnicodeGuide |
| 02:26:40 | rwong48 | yeah.. i read that |
| 02:26:46 | rwong48 | it doesn't say anything about rockbox itself supporting unicode :( |
| 02:27:05 | rwong48 | my tags are all right.. but when i move it to my rockbox'd sansa e280, filenames and tags show up as squares |
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| 02:30:47 | krazykit | rwong48, you need to use one of the unicode fonts |
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| 02:31:40 | rwong48 | yeah, i figured i need to do something like that |
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| 02:32:42 | rasher | Also, jesus christ, the UnicodeGuide page is in Windows-1251 encoding. That's just sad. |
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| 08:37:04 | LinusN | cool_walking_: still editing GoldenQuotes? |
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| 08:42:41 | * | GodEater thinks the quality of GoldenQuotes has diminished in recent months. We need some new classics. |
| 08:43:00 | JdGordon | you knwo new classic is an oxymoron right? |
| 08:43:30 | cool_walking_ | LinusN: no |
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| 08:44:13 | LinusN | cool_walking_: ok, thx |
| 08:44:13 | GodEater | JdGordon: did I inadvertently generate new material for a quote ? :) |
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| 08:51:24 | JdGordon | what is __builtin_alloca() ? |
| 08:51:47 | * | amiconn points JdGordon to the gcc manual |
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| 09:59:37 | Yondering | hmm silly thought maybe, but has anyone experimented with putting a laptop ssd or flash disk into a hard disk player? |
| 09:59:51 | B4gder | yes, many |
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| 10:00:04 | B4gder | and yes, it works |
| 10:00:07 | Yondering | mixed results I assume? |
| 10:00:09 | Yondering | ah, cool |
| 10:00:26 | B4gder | I haven't kept up with the details, I think we have a wiki page for it |
| 10:00:41 | Yondering | thanks.. looking :) |
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| 10:05:31 | GodEater | well you'd have to have a pretty big player for fitting a laptop drive in |
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| 10:08:00 | JdGordon | well the playlist side of the new bmark stuff is done... dunno if it works or not though :p |
| 10:08:13 | scorche | GodEater: like all the archos HD devices? ;) |
| 10:10:34 | Yondering | don't some of them use 1" drives? |
| 10:10:41 | Yondering | or 1.5" |
| 10:11:34 | B4gder | 1.8" yes |
| 10:11:55 | Yondering | yeah.. that's the one, thanks. |
| 10:12:02 | B4gder | some of them tiny laptops use such disks |
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| 10:25:55 | JdGordon | shows how long its been since I've used scanf... forgot the &'s :p |
| 10:28:04 | GodEater | scorche: I thought modern laptop drives were all SATA |
| 10:28:15 | JdGordon | ok, why isnt playlist_start() starting the music?! |
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| 10:41:28 | JdGordon | hells yeah! resuming from a .bmark is working |
| 10:42:02 | JdGordon | now to creating the bmark file.. |
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| 11:37:23 | JdGordon | is anyone concerned that my bookmark changes wouldnt allow bookmarks to be "browsed" while a different playlist is running? |
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| 11:46:22 | pixelma | so I would have to stop playback to chose another bookmark? |
| 11:46:45 | JdGordon | it would happen automatically... |
| 11:47:19 | JdGordon | in theory it could be loaded into a new playlist, but there is a problem with fining a buffer for filenames so this limitation makes it easier |
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| 11:47:49 | JdGordon | I've added a thing so the current playlist is backed up to a bmark when a different one is loaded to make resuming possible though |
| 11:47:51 | pixelma | this doesn't sound nice. What if I just want to browse the bookmarks I have to chose another one to listen to? |
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| 11:48:23 | JdGordon | no, sorry, to browse the list of bmark files then its fine, but browsing the resume points in a bmark isnt possible |
| 11:48:40 | JdGordon | unless you're happy with browsing as 0:12345 |
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| 11:52:17 | pixelma | is it currently possible? I don't use bookmarks but if those who do say that the possibility to have more than one resume points is nice and will be kept, then I think they should be browsable as before. But maybe ask for other opinions... |
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| 11:52:46 | JdGordon | multi resume points is working... just need a gui for it |
| 11:52:56 | JdGordon | but the bookmark has to be loaded which is new |
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| 12:11:17 | zness | hello |
| 12:11:20 | zness | anyone here? |
| 12:11:29 | B4gder | yes, many |
| 12:12:06 | zness | theyre pretty quiet. |
| 12:12:19 | zness | can anyone help me with some r/b related things? |
| 12:12:28 | B4gder | just ask |
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| 12:13:28 | zness | is there any way i can put songs ive bought of itunes? |
| 12:13:47 | zness | with some copyright ripping prgrm or something? |
| 12:14:00 | zness | put the songs on my ipod i mean |
| 12:14:58 | GodEater | we don't discuss methods of violating your license with apple I'm afraid |
| 12:15:10 | zness | okey doke. |
| 12:15:15 | scorche | itunes does sell songs without DRM as well |
| 12:15:25 | B4gder | don't pay for crippled data |
| 12:15:29 | GodEater | there is that |
| 12:15:31 | scorche | so, some may work... |
| 12:15:53 | zness | yeah well i just bought thom yorkes album 'the eraser' |
| 12:15:57 | zness | cant listen to it. |
| 12:16:00 | zness | oh well. |
| 12:16:28 | pixelma | you couls still listen to the songs with the Apple firmware |
| 12:16:31 | pixelma | *could |
| 12:16:35 | zness | i know |
| 12:17:12 | zness | is there anyway without uninstalling rockbox you can start up your ipod with default apple firmware? |
| 12:17:32 | scorche | you would need to edit a bit of code and recompile the bootloader |
| 12:17:33 | GodEater | yes, it's covered in the manual |
| 12:17:49 | GodEater | oh sorry, didn't spot the "default" bit |
| 12:18:25 | scorche | assuming you do mean you want it to be default and are not asking for "the default" |
| 12:18:41 | pixelma | zness: do you mean boot into the apple firmware are just let it boot at default into it (before trying to load Rockbox)? |
| 12:19:10 | zness | i mean |
| 12:19:18 | zness | at startup |
| 12:19:29 | zness | with rockbox installed |
| 12:19:36 | zness | can you just go into normal ipod? |
| 12:19:44 | zness | is there some button combo |
| 12:19:51 | scorche | yolu can and that is covered in the manual |
| 12:19:58 | scorche | s/yolu/you |
| 12:20:23 | zness | which section? |
| 12:20:54 | scorche | unsure...if you are using adobe reader, there should be a search function... |
| 12:21:11 | zness | not using adobe reader... |
| 12:21:21 | zness | ah i may as well. |
| 12:21:27 | scorche | then just read through the whole thing ;) |
| 12:21:35 | zness | ill dl the file while i have a shower |
| 12:21:36 | GodEater | just flick the hold switch to "on" as soon as you power the ipod on |
| 12:21:36 | zness | brb |
| 12:22:26 | zness | oh wow! |
| 12:22:28 | zness | excellent |
| 12:22:30 | zness | ! |
| 12:22:36 | zness | thanks a bunch GodEater |
| 12:23:03 | GodEater | now read the manual! |
| 12:23:15 | zness | i did : ( |
| 12:23:30 | zness | sorry if im being a noob, thanks for your help everyone. |
| 12:23:34 | zness | bye |
| 12:24:14 | zness | but i have to say this is sweet, now i can listen to my itunes store music without uninstalling rockbox |
| 12:24:16 | zness | joy! |
| 12:24:19 | zness | but yeah bye |
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| 13:39:26 | bobjim | Hey I modded my 4th gen ipod to use flash memory and now rockbox doesn't work giving me a ata error. Any help? |
| 13:40:30 | n1s | bobjim: you probably need a newer bootloader |
| 13:43:12 | bobjim | i got the latest ipod loader off http://rvvs89.ucc.asn.au/ipl/nightly/ . The rockbox logo displays but then I get the ata error |
| 13:43:50 | LambdaCalculus37 | I think you shouldconsider building your own bootloader from source instead. |
| 13:44:14 | bobjim | what would the bootloader have to do with it? |
| 13:44:44 | bobjim | Apple firmware works perfectly |
| 13:45:23 | n1s | the bootloader has to read from the disk to start rockbox, to read from disk it needs to init ata, in the old versions that failed on certain flash cards, it has since been fixed but no new bootloader released |
| 13:46:42 | bobjim | ok thanks. Where can I download the source? |
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| 13:47:18 | n1s | either http://build.rockbox.org/dist/build-source/rockbox.7z or from svn |
| 13:47:56 | bobjim | cheers ill give it a go |
| 13:48:18 | gevaerts | preglow: did you make any progress on the d2 sd during the last month or so while I was away? |
| 13:49:00 | n1s | rasher: genlang now prints the header from each .lang file when building, was that intended? |
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| 13:50:38 | B4gder | it should only print it for the -u case I guess |
| 13:51:51 | rasher | n1s: Huh, no, certainly not. Could've sworn I put it somewhere related to $update |
| 13:52:38 | rasher | Can't fix right now. |
| 13:53:24 | n1s | it's hardly critical, just annoying :) |
| 13:54:02 | rasher | well, it should be as easy as adding a "and $update" in the appropriate if |
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| 14:59:40 | mcuelenaere | wpyh: I've added the first part of your vx767_usbtool.diff to SVN; I still don't get why you disabled the usb_set_configuration() call though (I tested it on Linux and it worked, did you use su(do)?) |
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| 15:02:28 | preglow | gevaerts: none whatsoever, and truth to be told, i haven't done much towards it. i've taken quite a little break away from coding |
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| 15:03:09 | gevaerts | preglow: so you've done as much as I have ;) |
| 15:03:16 | preglow | i'm planning on going at it again soon now, though |
| 15:04:51 | * | gevaerts would also ask about nand progress, but he fears that people might start asking about progress on various usb issues |
| 15:06:53 | olle-wp | hi |
| 15:06:55 | olle-wp | i'm curious about the resistance to mallocation in rockbox. |
| 15:07:13 | olle-wp | first, let me say that i have indeed read the wiki page |
| 15:07:53 | olle-wp | the wiki page explains why memory allocation is not always a good thing, and why it might be risky to use in the wrong places |
| 15:08:07 | preglow | gevaerts: heh, nand is understandably worse than sd |
| 15:08:26 | preglow | the thing stalling my sd progress is probably just some weird little bug |
| 15:08:28 | preglow | as always :/ |
| 15:09:00 | olle-wp | but from what i understand, malloc would most likely give some new potential to the project. |
| 15:09:07 | GodEater | olle-wp: the other issue is that most of our targets don't have an MMU either |
| 15:09:35 | gevaerts | olle-wp: what "new potential" do you see being blocked by lack of malloc? |
| 15:09:58 | preglow | new potentail??? |
| 15:10:02 | preglow | potential... |
| 15:10:03 | olle-wp | GodEater: ok, there might be technical aspects i don't know of, but it can't be imposible. |
| 15:10:15 | olle-wp | give me a minute |
| 15:10:20 | preglow | you don't need an mmu for malloc, we could implement a malloc today |
| 15:10:23 | preglow | but we don't want to... |
| 15:10:29 | olle-wp | exactly |
| 15:10:32 | olle-wp | you don't want to |
| 15:10:51 | olle-wp | it is a good thing to never run out of memory |
| 15:10:55 | preglow | for very good reasons. i sincerely doubt you've got a reason good enough to make us reconcider :) |
| 15:11:07 | GodEater | preglow: I never said that made it impossible ;) |
| 15:11:15 | olle-wp | preglow: sure, i'm just asking curiously, |
| 15:11:16 | LambdaCalculus37 | I think our flat memory models works very well, thank you. :) |
| 15:11:25 | LambdaCalculus37 | s/models/model |
| 15:11:29 | preglow | olle-wp: it's also a good thing to be forced to statically worst-case allocate all your memory, it helps you to think better about memory use |
| 15:11:49 | olle-wp | it's also a good thing to be able to use memory where it is needed, load/unload plugins, |
| 15:11:54 | olle-wp | preglow: yep. |
| 15:12:08 | * | GodEater puts the torch / pitchfork wielding villagers on alert. |
| 15:12:34 | * | LambdaCalculus37 lights his torch and hoists a pitchfork |
| 15:12:37 | preglow | olle-wp: yeah, but that's not strictly a malloc issue. it's malloc i don't want, not dynamic memory management |
| 15:12:39 | olle-wp | GodEater: i'm on dangerous waters |
| 15:12:42 | * | gevaerts primes his torch with some petrol, and sharpens his pitchfork |
| 15:12:54 | preglow | olle-wp: which pretty much means i think malloc like behaviour is good here and there, but not everywhere in the code, via malloc() |
| 15:13:04 | GodEater | YELLOW ALERT |
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| 15:13:44 | olle-wp | preglow: that's kind of what i thought as well. to be able to use allocation precisely where it might be needed. using static allocation might one time or another be painful, for the reasons you said yourself. |
| 15:13:47 | preglow | we currently have a malloc() like thing, but it can only run on startup, and i'd actually like to extend that to be able to run at any time, although resetting playback when doing so |
| 15:13:59 | preglow | i think it's called bufalloc() |
| 15:14:56 | olle-wp | preglow: i thought no malloc sibling survived the weaponry of your anti-malloc army |
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| 15:15:45 | preglow | sure, it's been there since day one, i think |
| 15:16:17 | gevaerts | It's used by some optional features like the database |
| 15:16:35 | olle-wp | assuming the worst-case scenario will restrict the usage of memory, assuming that you have reached the memory "ceiling" already. |
| 15:16:37 | preglow | and stuff like dir/playlist buffers |
| 15:17:01 | preglow | olle-wp: but we run the risk of hitting the worst-case scenario anyway with malloc, and then with not so good planning as we'd be able to have with static buffers |
| 15:17:04 | olle-wp | removing the "roof", or allowing mem to be used where you want it to be used would be an intresting thing to do, not? |
| 15:17:10 | preglow | olle-wp: which would lead to crashes and bugs |
| 15:17:28 | gevaerts | olle-wp: the only way to remove the roof is to add an infinite amount of ram |
| 15:17:49 | olle-wp | preglow: let me just ask if you have reached maximum memory usage on some targets? |
| 15:18:10 | preglow | olle-wp: we have reached some limits, but we've never used all the memory, no |
| 15:18:13 | olle-wp | gevaerts: the roof is lower if you want to allocate statically of course. |
| 15:18:16 | GodEater | Also, as I see it, the problem isn't in implementing malloc(), but also implenting free() without horrible memory fragmentation occurring |
| 15:18:19 | preglow | olle-wp: but the older targets don't really have much playback buffer... |
| 15:18:21 | olle-wp | gevaerts: let me rephrase that |
| 15:19:14 | * | gevaerts has no problems with low roofs, it's those unpredictable roofs that you hit your head on |
| 15:19:30 | olle-wp | GodEater: yeah. one way or another, it seems to be working reasoably well on PCs, though i don'ät know how, i have to admit. |
| 15:19:33 | GodEater | yeah, those hydraulic ones that move up and down randomly are a bitch |
| 15:19:58 | preglow | olle-wp: anyway, to be able to continue to use our current concept of a file buffer, which really is the bulk of our memory, we'd have to reserve some area of memory for malloc. how large would this be? |
| 15:20:03 | GodEater | PCs are a very different beast from an embedded target |
| 15:20:13 | preglow | olle-wp: the size of it would eat into the file buffer, which would mean more disk spinups |
| 15:20:42 | olle-wp | GodEater: sure, i just wandered offtopic thinking about how to avoid mem fragmentation. |
| 15:20:49 | preglow | olle-wp: embedded targets are far more specialized. one of the reasons for us shunning malloc is because we want the file buffer to be large, and the only way to get it as large as possible is to statically allocate it after everything else |
| 15:20:52 | gevaerts | olle-wp: the most obvious difference between rockbox and a generic PC is that in rockbox you get pitchforks for wasting 4k of ram |
| 15:20:54 | olle-wp | preglow: i know. i've read the wiki. |
| 15:21:29 | preglow | olle-wp: pc's don't do any such large allocation of the rest of the memory, because there's no need |
| 15:21:59 | preglow | if there's plenty of memory, and you don't have any specific use for it at any time, malloc() is nice |
| 15:22:07 | preglow | specific use for _all_ of it... |
| 15:22:16 | olle-wp | gevaerts: not all targets are like that fwiw. i bet newer ipods have reasonable performamnce/capacity |
| 15:22:18 | preglow | but when you need absolutely all of it all the time, malloc() is bad |
| 15:22:57 | gevaerts | olle-wp: it's the same code for all targets... |
| 15:22:58 | olle-wp | preglow: yep. |
| 15:23:23 | olle-wp | gevaerts: yeah. but let's speculate, what would be best for reasonably modern targets? |
| 15:23:42 | preglow | anyway, we've thought about this a fair deal (mainly because people persist in questioning it :P), and i doubt it's gonna change any time |
| 15:23:56 | preglow | i used to want it myself when i first joined the project, but now i too think malloc() is wrong for rockbox |
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| 15:24:25 | preglow | dynamic memory management can be good, but not the general malloc() way |
| 15:24:30 | gevaerts | olle-wp: a lot of the newer flash-basd players don't have much RAM these days, so that doesn't change |
| 15:24:33 | olle-wp | preglow: sure. you do just as you want, i'm not going to demand anything from you, and hail the rockbox. i'm asking out of plain curiousity. |
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| 15:24:54 | preglow | olle-wp: and you're free to do so, curiosity is good :) |
| 15:24:56 | gevaerts | olle-wp: you mentioned new potentials earlier. Any examples? |
| 15:25:03 | olle-wp | gevaerts: my e10 has, iirc, 32 mb of sdram of decent speed. |
| 15:25:15 | olle-wp | gevaerts: loading of several plugins at once? |
| 15:25:52 | preglow | doesn't need malloc, just relocatable plugins |
| 15:25:52 | * | gevaerts is not sure that lack of malloc() is the blocker for that one |
| 15:25:53 | amiconn | olle-wp: That would require far more than just malloc |
| 15:26:15 | preglow | plugins are currently statically linked to run in one memory address |
| 15:26:18 | preglow | in/from |
| 15:26:39 | olle-wp | if i was to demand anything from you, i'd say: "port it to newer iriver/samsung targets, including but not limited to iriver e10. Tomorrow, or before the weekend!! Now make me proud!!" |
| 15:26:56 | olle-wp | amiconn: yeah. |
| 15:27:10 | LambdaCalculus37 | And if you do that, we get to kick you around like a football. ;) |
| 15:27:17 | olle-wp | (C) (R) TM GoldenQuotes |
| 15:28:53 | gevaerts | How much RAM does the m200 have? |
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| 15:29:12 | olle-wp | the new "potential" [sic] i'm reffering to is mainly the ability to use memory where it is needed, and only where it's needed, when rockbox and it's plugins grows beyond expectations. |
| 15:30:08 | * | LambdaCalculus37 goes to look at the TelechipsInfo page |
| 15:30:22 | gevaerts | The big problem remains that when not using memory when it's not needed, you're not using it for buffering audio |
| 15:31:13 | preglow | i just remembered, rockbox hung during playback yesterday. it had been sitting still playing for two hours, then just hung :/ anyone else had that? |
| 15:31:17 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: Found this: ESMT M12S16161A 1M X 16 DRAM |
| 15:31:18 | preglow | h120, mp3 |
| 15:31:27 | gevaerts | So 2MB? |
| 15:31:41 | olle-wp | not 16 MB? |
| 15:31:46 | olle-wp | *Mi |
| 15:32:06 | gevaerts | I'd gess 1M(bit) x 16 |
| 15:32:31 | GodEater | wouldn't shotofadds know the answer to this question already ? |
| 15:32:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | The m200 page needs a very serious rearrangement. |
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| 15:33:56 | gevaerts | Indeed. It's a 16 Mbit chip |
| 15:34:14 | * | gevaerts doesn't want to waste memory on that |
| 15:35:35 | olle-wp | indeed. 16 Mibit is rather small. |
| 15:35:58 | GodEater | and that seems to be the way targets are moving increasingly now that they use flash storage. |
| 15:36:13 | preglow | which sucks for rockbox :> |
| 15:36:15 | olle-wp | now, i read that the (inactive) ifp port was moved to trunk, but i can't find it anywhere |
| 15:36:30 | preglow | olle-wp: it wasn't moved there, it's always been there |
| 15:36:56 | olle-wp | preglow: oh. i'll dig a bit in the source then. |
| 15:37:09 | olle-wp | preglow: it was on tomek's site at first. |
| 15:37:24 | preglow | oh, yeah, but it's always been in trunk here |
| 15:37:35 | preglow | but it's pretty much abandoned now, i guess |
| 15:37:44 | preglow | and no wonder. a very hard target to port to, and only one guy |
| 15:37:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | I think it mostly works, doesn't it? |
| 15:37:53 | LambdaCalculus37 | Provided you compile from source. |
| 15:38:31 | olle-wp | LambdaCalculus37: so it seems accoriding to port wikipage |
| 15:38:53 | olle-wp | LambdaCalculus37: he said in mailing list there was sound |
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| 16:14:19 | JdGordon | is there a semi-reliable way of getting a play position (as a time) from a file offset? |
| 16:15:08 | jac0b|w | did the charging get added to the gigabeat S build |
| 16:15:38 | olle-wp | JdGordon: i tend to think that'd be impossible with VBR at least |
| 16:16:03 | JdGordon | thats what I'm thinking |
| 16:16:14 | gevaerts | JdGordon: replay it until that file offset? |
| 16:16:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | jac0b|w: Not yet. |
| 16:16:46 | JdGordon | yes, but I should have said fast also... |
| 16:16:56 | JdGordon | trackname: offset is good enough I guess |
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| 16:17:38 | jac0b|w | oh b/c I thought my battery got charged a little bit being pluged in |
| 16:19:12 | jac0b|w | my battery meter showed a little bit gone and now that it has been plugged in it shows a full battery |
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| 16:48:55 | PaulJam | hi, i was just wondering if it is normal that all the headers of the .lang files are printed during compiling. |
| 16:49:08 | olle-wp | PaulJam: it seems so. |
| 16:49:17 | rasher | PaulJam: It's normal since I messed up genlang. I'll get right on it now that I'm at a computer again |
| 16:49:18 | olle-wp | PaulJam: i wondered the same. |
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| 16:49:53 | hashbang | heyas |
| 16:50:35 | hashbang | I'm trying to get the voice stuff working on an iRiver H300 w/r18225 |
| 16:50:42 | PaulJam | i was already concerned that something is wrong with my PC, because while printing the header from the chinese.lang it was beeping like crazy in cygwin ;) |
| 16:50:59 | rasher | PaulJam: Oh dear, haha |
| 16:51:22 | hashbang | I've downloaded http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/VoiceFiles/english_vwkate_e200.voice http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/VoiceFiles/english_vwkate_4g.voice and http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/VoiceFiles/american-english_ibmtts_20070706.zip none of those seem to work |
| 16:51:26 | hashbang | any clues? |
| 16:51:45 | LinusN | those are old as hell |
| 16:52:00 | olle-wp | PaulJam: heh, i didn't see the chinese header. at least my console app didn't get messed up |
| 16:52:04 | hashbang | LinusN: those are what's linked to from the twiki :-( |
| 16:52:10 | LinusN | you need to either generate them yourself or download the daily built voices |
| 16:52:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | The new voices are here: http://www.rockbox.org/voices/h300-20080812-english.zip |
| 16:52:41 | LinusN | hashbang: http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml |
| 16:53:04 | rasher | PaulJam: Fixed |
| 16:53:17 | PaulJam | that was fast. thank you |
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| 16:53:30 | rasher | Well, it was a very easy fix |
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| 16:55:51 | hashbang | LinusN: aha! gotcha! ta! |
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| 16:56:25 | olle-wp | oh dear. |
| 16:56:26 | olle-wp | somepath/arm-elf/lib/gcc/arm-elf/4.0.3/../../../../arm-elf/bin/ld: region PLUGIN_RAM is full (somepath/build/apps/codecs/sid.elf section .bss) |
| 16:56:54 | olle-wp | i wonder if anyone have tried to build rb for ifp lately |
| 16:58:53 | * | n1s curses Tex's unhelpful error messages... |
| 16:59:11 | hashbang | does Rockbox on the H300 always use the hardware MAS for playing MP3s? Or do certain options move decoding onto the Coldfire CPU? |
| 16:59:31 | n1s | hashbang: h300 has no MAS it always uses the cpu |
| 16:59:31 | rasher | olle-wp: likely not |
| 16:59:58 | LambdaCalculus37 | hashbang: The only players with MAS chips are the Archos players. |
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| 17:02:36 | hashbang | n1s: LambdaCalculus37: ah, I mean the Philips UDA1380TT then, in that case. |
| 17:03:07 | n1s | the uda is a dac, it does no decoding, just digital -> analouge |
| 17:03:21 | hashbang | n1s: the datasheet says it does MP3 |
| 17:04:28 | hashbang | n1s: my understanding is that this is why battery life when playing Oggs with the standard firmware is lower than when playing MP3s |
| 17:04:45 | hashbang | n17ikh|Lappy: Oggs being decoded on the Coldfire CPU, MP3s being passed to the UDA1380 |
| 17:05:00 | hashbang | n17ikh|Lappy: sorry, meant n1s |
| 17:06:52 | n1s | hashbang: the dac can not decode mp3, the reason for the crappy battery life in the OF with vorbis is likely because they didn't optimize their implementation very much |
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| 17:07:26 | rasher | Also, their mp3 codec is pretty darn efficient, so comparatively, vorbis scores low |
| 17:07:31 | n1s | while they were probably using the very fast mp3 decoder from freescale |
| 17:08:18 | n1s | I'd guess rockbox beats the OF with quite a margin in batterytime playing vorbis |
| 17:08:48 | hashbang | n1s: aha, gotcha |
| 17:09:36 | hashbang | and I see from reading the datasheet that bass/treble boost are UDA1380 hardware features. Everything else is done in software on the CPU. |
| 17:09:41 | hashbang | right? |
| 17:09:58 | olle-wp | at last, i took the time to actually run rockbox, the port to PC. |
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| 17:10:15 | olle-wp | what can i say, well, if i could use this on my mp3, i'd be more than happy. |
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| 17:11:07 | olle-wp | amazing work. |
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| 17:11:58 | olle-wp | but there seems to be a god damned segfault in the text line editing view. i'll see what i can do. |
| 17:12:13 | wpyh | mcuelenaere: I've finished hxf2ihfs |
| 17:12:21 | mcuelenaere | wpyh: cool |
| 17:12:34 | mcuelenaere | I'm currently looking into the virtualmips simulator |
| 17:12:34 | n1s | olle-wp: patches are always welcome :) |
| 17:12:49 | * | wpyh never heard of virtualmips :p |
| 17:13:52 | olle-wp | n1s: sure, i know. this would be the first time i patched software i'm still not able to run. |
| 17:13:58 | wpyh | mcuelenaere: I also saw your (answered) question about why I disabled the usb_set_configuration()... bertrik guessed right :) |
| 17:14:18 | wpyh | I'm not familiar with USB, so I try to be as close to the original software as possible |
| 17:14:29 | mcuelenaere | hmmm weird, I tried in Ubuntu (JeOS) and it worked with the call enabled |
| 17:14:55 | mcuelenaere | although bertrik is right and Linux did the usb_set_configuration() out of it's own |
| 17:15:12 | mcuelenaere | eh perhaps that's no good english |
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| 17:15:41 | GodEater | anyone seen this ? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=18107.0 ? |
| 17:16:11 | * | LambdaCalculus37 thinks we now need a SillyQuotes page :P |
| 17:16:25 | wpyh | hm... |
| 17:16:47 | mcuelenaere | well I can still disable it, it isn't necessary |
| 17:16:54 | mcuelenaere | if it doesn't work for you.. |
| 17:17:03 | olle-wp | LambdaCalculus37: GoldenQuotes is more than enough silly |
| 17:17:19 | LambdaCalculus37 | :) |
| 17:17:30 | mcuelenaere | wpyh: anyway, I'll need to commit your HXF2IHFS app so I'll commit the fix with it together |
| 17:18:02 | wpyh | mcuelenaere: I haven't tried with the call enabled, but if it's possible to check with usb_get_configuration(), then I think we should check (and not configure the device twice) |
| 17:18:19 | mcuelenaere | AFAIK libusb doesn't provide usb_get_configuration() .. |
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| 17:19:50 | wpyh | mcuelenaere: hxf2ihfs.c is here: http://pastebin.ca/1168138 (it's not formatted like the rest of Rockbox yet, but we can fix the whitespace later :) ) |
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| 17:25:26 | wpyh | mcuelenaere: once we get developers with vx757 and vx777 dap's, I think we should add "device profiles" to usbtool |
| 17:26:02 | mcuelenaere | wpyh: yes perhaps, but currently we only have a vx767 and a vx747 (and a potential vx89?) |
| 17:26:26 | mcuelenaere | and I only have information from you and me who tested the device (+ someone else with a vx747) |
| 17:26:52 | wpyh | hm... |
| 17:27:02 | wpyh | who's got the vx989 (or vx898?) |
| 17:27:31 | wpyh | well then, me buying the vx767 wasn't a bad choice :D at least we know that several devices are different |
| 17:27:32 | toffe82 | I repaired the broken S60 I received and it is working, the only thing is that there is 10 dead pixels on the top left corner, but everythingelse is working fine |
| 17:27:43 | toffe82 | If somebody is interested, it is 120$ shipping include anywhere, it is a white case with a black cross, I will include the original black case but it was no so nice looking. |
| 17:27:59 | toffe82 | >It comes with the power supply too |
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| 17:29:38 | mcuelenaere | wpyh: eh someone at mp4nation who showed some interest in Rockbox |
| 17:29:42 | mcuelenaere | lemme check |
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| 17:30:50 | mcuelenaere | wpyh: http://mp4nation.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=34789#p34789 |
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| 17:37:48 | wpyh | mcuelenaere: ok, so at least a developer from a company (pasen) seems interested... did he contact you? |
| 17:38:05 | mcuelenaere | wpyh: yes, I talked with him several times |
| 17:38:08 | mcuelenaere | brb |
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| 17:41:13 | mcuelenaere | wpyh: but in the end, he couldn't provide much info |
| 17:41:23 | mcuelenaere | most of my last talk with him is in the rockbox forums |
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| 17:44:38 | n1s | GodEater: I really wonder how that could be "worthwhile" ... ? |
| 17:45:45 | wpyh | hm... ok |
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| 17:46:29 | mcuelenaere | wpyh: he confirmed the jz4732 is a jz4740 |
| 17:46:42 | mcuelenaere | because he contacted ingenic about it |
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| 17:50:47 | wpyh | hm.. ok |
| 17:50:55 | wpyh | great |
| 17:50:58 | wpyh | so what's the difference? |
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| 18:01:09 | mcuelenaere | the 4732 is just the same as the 4740, but the first is delivered outside china while the latter not |
| 18:01:13 | wpyh | mcuelenaere: is it just the packaging? |
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| 18:01:18 | wpyh | hm... |
| 18:01:36 | wpyh | I see, maybe some patent issues or the like :D |
| 18:01:57 | mcuelenaere | wpyh: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17245.msg131428#msg131428 |
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| 18:09:19 | mcuelenaere | wpyh: it seems some other open source project is using the jz4740, although they don't have any code yet AFAICS: http://openjz.googlepages.com/ |
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| 18:09:42 | wpyh | mcuelenaere: thanks |
| 18:09:47 | wpyh | but I have to go now |
| 18:10:17 | mcuelenaere | k |
| 18:10:23 | wpyh | I hope I'll have more time while waiting at the airport tomorrow :) |
| 18:10:38 | mcuelenaere | :) |
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| 18:11:01 | mcuelenaere | I'll try mailing the virtualmips author in the mean time |
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| 19:58:47 | DivClass | Drat, there's no stable support for the Cowon D2 |
| 19:59:12 | LambdaCalculus37 | Because the port isn't completed yet. |
| 19:59:57 | DivClass | :\ Oh well. I can wait, I haven't purchased the Cowon yet. |
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| 20:05:18 | LambdaCalculus37 | rasher: Never mind... upon looking at a patch for the French translation, I noticed that many of the strings I didn't touch are actually listed as "depreciated" now. |
| 20:06:42 | rasher | LambdaCalculus37: I'm not sure the french translation should be touched - there's a patch in the tracker, and the maintainer claims to be working on it |
| 20:07:07 | olle-wp | one thing about the compiled language files bothers me |
| 20:07:38 | olle-wp | when it has been loaded into memory (i suppose it is), it must be searched sequentially |
| 20:07:58 | olle-wp | there are no offsets stored that allows for skipping to the next phrase |
| 20:08:01 | LambdaCalculus37 | rasher: FS #9267 (ignore the French patch, then). |
| 20:08:07 | olle-wp | couldn't that be improved? |
| 20:10:20 | * | rasher directs olle-wp at Bagder |
| 20:10:24 | n1s | olle-wp: it is onöy searched when it is loaded |
| 20:10:29 | n1s | s/ö/l |
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| 20:11:14 | olle-wp | n1s: ok. so when it's read, the whole file is read, one char at a time? |
| 20:11:22 | olle-wp | actually, that makes perfect sense. |
| 20:12:14 | n1s | see apps/language.c lang_load() and lang_init() they are quite easy to read |
| 20:13:14 | n1s | basically we have an array of pointers to the strings that are redirected to the correct addresses when a new language is loaded |
| 20:13:17 | olle-wp | also, the segfault was nothing. it was the beep sound that couldn't be played on my machine with forever broken ALSA, and SDL crashed, or uisimulator crashed SDL. |
| 20:13:36 | olle-wp | so it's a hardware dependent simulator crash ;) |
| 20:14:06 | n1s | ah, yes it is known to crash if it cannot play audio :) |
| 20:14:37 | midgey | for anyone interested, i now have a single lang file per language. I've also fixed splashes (hurray!). Unfortunately, I've broken language loading and I'm going to need some makefile help after I've fixed the loading issue. |
| 20:14:41 | olle-wp | n1s: then it would maybe make sense to make it skip through after all. i'll take a look. |
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| 20:18:07 | midgey | also, why were so many user fields removed from japanese.lang in the r18257? it's not a big deal right now, but if/when my work gets committed to trunk, that field will be required (without trailing spaces) |
| 20:18:18 | olle-wp | that is slowish. if there's no convincing reason for this, i'm a bit disappointed. −−>ptr += strlen((char *)ptr) + 1 |
| 20:19:27 | n1s | olle-wp: it is simple and only done once while starting or when changing language |
| 20:19:38 | midgey | are you suggesting the string lengths be stored by genlang? |
| 20:19:51 | olle-wp | midgey: i think that is what i am suggesting, yeah |
| 20:20:23 | olle-wp | midgey: but i'd be happy to be proved wrong. |
| 20:20:35 | n1s | midgey: congratz on the progress! also most translations that are not maintained by rockbox devs are in various chaotic states... |
| 20:21:33 | midgey | n1s: i've fixed all user fields on every lang in my patch, but now it's a whopping 5 MiB :) |
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| 20:22:02 | bluebrother | petur: ping |
| 20:23:06 | olle-wp | midgey: so, what is your response? you seemed so skeptical. |
| 20:24:01 | rasher | midgey: oops, didn't notice that |
| 20:24:09 | midgey | olle-wp: i think you'll end up using more memory. since the load is done so infrequently i'm skeptical if the extra memory use is worth the speed increase |
| 20:24:16 | rasher | midgey: Why be strict about whitespace for the user: field though? |
| 20:25:35 | petur | bluebrother: pong |
| 20:25:38 | midgey | rasher: i user a hash in genlang to convert the user field to a number. so "core" = 1, but "core " is unrecognized. |
| 20:25:52 | rasher | midgey: Why not strip on read? |
| 20:26:03 | midgey | it might be possible to trim the whitespace before the hash, i'm not too familiar with perl |
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| 20:27:17 | midgey | rasher: stripping on read will probably work, i'll look into it |
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| 20:27:39 | rasher | The last thing we need is to introduce more possible errors for language files |
| 20:27:51 | midgey | true :) |
| 20:27:59 | midgey | is it possible to ignore a directory when using "svn diff" |
| 20:28:10 | rasher | Of course, this will all go away with XML language files!!!1! |
| 20:28:28 | midgey | i'd like to split my patch into code changes and language changes |
| 20:29:30 | rasher | You could do svn diff apps/lang/; and then svn diff with a clean apps/lang/ directory |
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| 20:30:18 | midgey | that's the only solution i've thought of. it seems there should be something a bit more elegant.... |
| 20:30:31 | rasher | svn help diff doesn't reveal anything obvious |
| 20:31:13 | olle-wp | midgey: i was going to agree with you, but now i think about it, i don't think that's an issue. we could use the place for the terminating null character to store the length. that way we still use 3 bytes per phrase plus the phrase itself. |
| 20:32:33 | midgey | olle-wp: that makes sense. we await the patch :) |
| 20:32:34 | olle-wp | midgey: and if the length exceeds some custom max, say 254, we just set it to 255 and iterate |
| 20:32:41 | olle-wp | midgey: yey! ;) |
| 20:33:00 | olle-wp | midgey: or we mix together the ID and the length in a bit field soup |
| 20:33:14 | olle-wp | midgey: noone needs 2^16 phrases |
| 20:33:58 | n1s | we can always bump the format when we get to 2^16 +1 :) |
| 20:34:08 | midgey | with how many features rockbox gets, 2^16 phrases wouldn't surprise me |
| 20:34:52 | rasher | midgey: the amount of strings isn't growing as fast as it once did |
| 20:35:07 | rasher | see: http://rasher.dk/rockbox/translate/graphs/turkce.png |
| 20:35:44 | midgey | fancy |
| 20:35:52 | olle-wp | midgey et al: do plugins use lang/lng files? |
| 20:36:13 | midgey | they hopefully will after my gsoc is completed |
| 20:36:35 | rasher | I still don't understand what you want to achieve, olle-wp? |
| 20:37:09 | rasher | Loading a language file is extremely time-uncritical |
| 20:37:23 | rasher | The splash shown on completion is shown for ten times as long as the loading takes.. |
| 20:37:39 | rasher | (that's a guess, but I expect it to be something like that) |
| 20:38:32 | Lear | rasher: I agree. Why optimize if it isn't a problem? |
| 20:39:49 | olle-wp | midgey: help me. i can see the flaming torches getting closer. |
| 20:40:52 | midgey | they aren't stopping you from writing up a patch, they just don't think it's worth the work |
| 20:41:46 | rasher | This is a process that's done *at most* a handful of times during use, and the user never notices the time he has to wait. I think adding code and complexity to speed it up would be silly and wasteful |
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| 20:44:56 | olle-wp | rasher: the complexity would be in genlang. the lower cost CPU-wise might justify the (very little) added complexity in the lang loader |
| 20:45:04 | amiconn | olle-wp: The ptr += strlen((char *)ptr) + 1 is done for the builtin language only, on startup |
| 20:45:21 | amiconn | It saves several KB on binsize (the array of pointers) |
| 20:45:38 | amiconn | And it's not slow |
| 20:46:00 | rasher | olle-wp: CPU time is not the only consideration when optimising. Binsize and complexity are often more important |
| 20:46:23 | rasher | Depending on which area we're talking about of course. Codecs optimise heavily for cpu time |
| 20:46:31 | olle-wp | amiconn: both yes and no. it's done each time a lang is loaded, before the new translated strs are put to the array IIRC |
| 20:46:52 | amiconn | Yes, because strings not contained in the .lng file should be english |
| 20:47:39 | amiconn | But this little extra cpu time (a few ms at max. not noticeable by the user) is worth using |
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| 20:48:25 | amiconn | Iirc it saved ~4KB back when I implemented this, and that's a significant amount. We have targets where binsize is really important, even more than ram usage |
| 20:49:01 | amiconn | Nowadays we have more .lng strings, so the savings from this are even higher |
| 20:49:08 | olle-wp | amiconn: sorry if i'm slow, what saved 4 KB? |
| 20:50:13 | amiconn | Calculating the pointers to the builtin strings dynamically instead of keeping the whole pointer array (const data) |
| 20:50:28 | olle-wp | i'm talking about iterations first through the builtin lang, and later through the lang file. it's a short time, yeah, but i don't see the downside of optimizing as proposed. the added rb code is extremely small. |
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| 20:52:02 | crickets | i have a couple questions about preparing an ipod for rockbox |
| 20:52:25 | rasher | olle-wp: But what do you gain? |
| 20:52:42 | rasher | You add code, and gain essentially nothing? |
| 20:52:55 | amiconn | olle-wp: I can't find what you actually suggested |
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| 20:53:58 | pixelma | crickets: just ask |
| 20:54:00 | crickets | if this ipod was used on a different windows PC is there anything i have to do before i install rockbox? like format it or anything |
| 20:54:33 | LambdaCalculus37 | The iPod needs to be FAT32 formatted. |
| 20:54:34 | amiconn | If you store the string lengths in the .lng, that means they are also contained in the built-in language |
| 20:54:41 | LambdaCalculus37 | And what model iPod? |
| 20:54:44 | crickets | 4th gen |
| 20:54:49 | crickets | grayscale |
| 20:55:04 | LambdaCalculus37 | Here, use this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility |
| 20:55:15 | amiconn | And that's certainly more than using strlen() |
| 20:55:20 | LambdaCalculus37 | And here's the manual: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipod4gray/rockbox-build.html |
| 20:55:23 | crickets | i just installed a new battery so it's charging on my xbox right now, i'm just starting to find out what i'm doing when i plug it in |
| 20:55:57 | crickets | does that utility let me format it too |
| 20:56:10 | bertrik | wasn't jhMikeS working on cleaning up powermanagement.c? |
| 20:56:20 | LambdaCalculus37 | No, it just installs Rockbox for you. |
| 20:56:24 | olle-wp | amiconn: yeah. the Nul chars both in the builtin, and the .lng files, could be replaced with the length of the upcoming phrase, so that the loader doesn't have to iterate. that's what i proposed. |
| 20:56:44 | amiconn | 1 byte isn't enough for all phrases |
| 20:57:24 | olle-wp | amiconn: i know. did you just join or somethg? then we set a max length at 255 and iterate if the value is set to 255. |
| 20:57:35 | amiconn | I'm pretty sure the iteration takes less than 10ms on any swcodec target, and during standard use, is done once per session (on startup) |
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| 20:58:00 | amiconn | olle-wp: How do you iterate if the null byte isn't there anymore? |
| 20:58:10 | crickets | so i should plug it in and right click and format like it was a regular drive? |
| 20:58:53 | n1s | crickets: if you have been using it with windows there is no need to _re_format it |
| 20:58:53 | olle-wp | amiconn: then i guess you add the null again. good complicating point, argh. are you sure it's only done once? isn't it done an additional time at startup if you have another language? |
| 20:59:58 | crickets | i was just checking since it was used on a different PC and i still want to get rid of all the music on it |
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| 21:00:26 | amiconn | It is done once at startup, and whenever you change laguage. But how often does that happen during normal use? |
| 21:00:46 | n1s | crickets: if you just reformat the partition you should be fine but do not repartition it |
| 21:01:06 | n1s | but you could just delete all the stuff on it |
| 21:01:10 | amiconn | And 10ms really isn't worth the discussion. Besides, reading the length and doing the maths also takes its time (although probably a bit less than using strlen()) |
| 21:01:33 | crickets | that sounds easier n1s haha |
| 21:02:03 | crickets | what do i need to do that |
| 21:02:47 | olle-wp | crickets: just format it. or delete all the visible and hidden and extra-hidden files on it. |
| 21:03:35 | crickets | alright, thanks for your help guys, i'll be back if something goes horribly wrong |
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| 21:05:01 | amiconn | olle-wp: Btw, you can't leave out the null byte, or you would waste ram |
| 21:05:27 | amiconn | You would then have to copy all the strings into another buffer, adding the trailing null byte |
| 21:05:42 | amiconn | C wants its strings null terminated |
| 21:05:59 | amiconn | And this copying would probably be even slower than iterating over the strings using strlen() |
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| 21:07:46 | olle-wp | amiconn: yeah. if that's true, it's not an option to do this change. |
| 21:08:33 | olle-wp | amiconn: using the null char might be a dead end indeed. |
| 21:08:45 | UncleRemus | Can the database build go into a never-ending loop? Is it a known problem? |
| 21:09:31 | olle-wp | i want ext2, so i can fall into a recursive loop :) |
| 21:09:43 | n1s | amiconn: couldn't you copy everything into one buffer like now and replace the byte storing the length of the string with null once you have adjusted a pointer to point to the string? |
| 21:10:25 | amiconn | perhaps, but why complicate things? |
| 21:10:34 | UncleRemus | Currently it says over 32000 songs and counting, but I'm quite sure I don't have that many songs on my iPod |
| 21:10:39 | n1s | UncleRemus: it can do that if there are no music files present, and in some cases a metadata reader might choke on a tag and hang... |
| 21:10:43 | olle-wp | n1s: great. |
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| 21:11:28 | n1s | amiconn: i don't think it's a good idea, just wanted to know if it's possible :) |
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| 21:12:30 | n1s | UncleRemus: do you have a trash folder on it or some non-music files with extensions of music files or anything else weird like that? |
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| 21:13:26 | UncleRemus | n1s: I don't think so, it is an iPod and I followed the installation instructions. |
| 21:14:02 | n1s | UncleRemus: if you have transferred songs with itunes, the database will pick them up too |
| 21:14:15 | UncleRemus | I put all my artist in the root folder in the suggested structure that is present on the rockbox manual page |
| 21:14:43 | n1s | nothing transferred with itunes on there then? |
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| 21:15:09 | Reptile211 | NOTD |
| 21:15:16 | Reptile211 | hello people |
| 21:15:33 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 21:16:22 | UncleRemus | Actually, all the songs are transferred with gnupod and then, after installing rockbox, I moved them to /Artist/Album/songs with musicbrainz picard tool. |
| 21:16:51 | Reptile211 | having trouble with ipod mini can anyone help |
| 21:17:40 | n1s | UncleRemus: can you check if there are still files present in the hidden itunes folder on the ipod, it's called something like "ipod_control" |
| 21:17:58 | bluebrother | Reptile211: not if you don't ask the actual question |
| 21:18:17 | UncleRemus | n1s: I removed that one. |
| 21:18:22 | Reptile211 | well ok |
| 21:18:59 | Reptile211 | my ipod is showing a folder icon and then it resets reads on the screen do not disconnect |
| 21:19:07 | n1s | UncleRemus: then I am out of ideas... :( |
| 21:19:08 | Reptile211 | and keeps looping thought the same thing |
| 21:19:19 | Reptile211 | i have tried to restore it |
| 21:19:36 | Reptile211 | but seems not to be working changed out battery and no luck |
| 21:19:54 | bluebrother | try to put it into emergency disc mode. |
| 21:19:58 | UncleRemus | n1s: Thanks for your help anyway! I assume you can listen and do everything also from File menu, right? |
| 21:20:21 | bluebrother | Reset the Ipod by pressing Menu + Select for several seconds until the Ipod reboots. Then press and hold Play + Select. |
| 21:20:23 | Reptile211 | by pressing the menu and select buttons? |
| 21:20:53 | bluebrother | the Ipod will enter emergency disc mode. You can then connect it to the PC and also charge it. Maybe it's a good idea to charge it first for quite a while |
| 21:20:58 | Reptile211 | i have not tried the play select yet |
| 21:21:04 | n1s | UncleRemus: yes, the file menu is working fine for listening, creating playlists etc... |
| 21:21:10 | bluebrother | keep in mind that you need to reset the Ipod to leave emergency disc mode |
| 21:23:24 | Reptile211 | so pressing and hold Play + Select will take me into emergency disk mode |
| 21:24:38 | bluebrother | yes, but only during the bootup, i.e. you need to do this right when the Ipod reboots |
| 21:25:08 | Reptile211 | got ya |
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| 21:25:36 | Reptile211 | and in emergency disk mode what are my options from there? |
| 21:26:22 | bluebrother | well, it's disc mode. You can access the player, and you should be able to restore it. Charging also works, so this is an option if you have the impression you're low on battery |
| 21:26:38 | bluebrother | as emergency disc mode has to be terminated by a reset you won't get reboots. |
| 21:27:15 | Reptile211 | umm ok |
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| 21:35:04 | Reptile211 | has anyone tried replacing the ipod microdrive with a flashdrive? |
| 21:36:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | Yes, plenty of times. Check this page out: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CFModGuide |
| 21:37:07 | Reptile211 | any particular type of card that has to be used |
| 21:37:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | As long as the card conforms to TrueIDE spec. |
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| 21:42:39 | Reptile211 | trueIDE??? |
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| 21:46:48 | LambdaCalculus37 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CompactFlash |
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| 21:47:48 | Miyavix3 | Is anyone here? |
| 21:48:24 | LambdaCalculus37 | There are 142 people here. |
| 21:48:35 | Miyavix3 | Let me revise that |
| 21:48:49 | Miyavix3 | How many, out of the 142 people in this room, are not AFK? |
| 21:49:06 | olle-wp | i'm here |
| 21:49:06 | Miyavix3 | Well seeing how you're here |
| 21:49:11 | Miyavix3 | yay :D |
| 21:49:13 | gevaerts | That's an off-topic question ;) Please only on-topic ones... |
| 21:49:18 | Miyavix3 | .-. |
| 21:49:22 | Miyavix3 | Sarcastic jerks |
| 21:49:23 | reacocard | good question. A better one would be to just ask you question and see if people can answer :) |
| 21:49:25 | Miyavix3 | Ok topic question |
| 21:49:38 | Miyavix3 | How's the current battery life of rockbox on an iPod? |
| 21:49:57 | Miyavix3 | i installed it on mine a while ago (about a year) and I would go from full to empty in the course of a day |
| 21:50:22 | Reptile211 | well its about the same then |
| 21:50:27 | Miyavix3 | Oh =\ |
| 21:50:31 | reacocard | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BatteryRuntime |
| 21:50:49 | Reptile211 | cause the batter only last about 8 hours anyway |
| 21:50:53 | gevaerts | Miyavix3: there were serious improvements between november and march. |
| 21:51:05 | LambdaCalculus37 | Reptile211: Don't give false information. |
| 21:51:15 | LambdaCalculus37 | Not every iPod suffers from bad battery life. |
| 21:51:28 | Reptile211 | ok well mine dose |
| 21:51:57 | Miyavix3 | Hmm |
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| 21:52:00 | Reptile211 | and its the mini we're talking about right |
| 21:52:11 | Miyavix3 | I'm talking about the 5g 80GB |
| 21:52:23 | LambdaCalculus37 | Except about 12 hours of life on the iPod video nowadays. |
| 21:53:03 | Miyavix3 | 'Cause usually I'd have to charge my iPod about once or twice a week |
| 21:53:08 | Miyavix3 | but with rockbox on there, it was every day |
| 21:53:29 | Miyavix3 | dudes in the other channel said they blamed pearl, lol |
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| 21:54:34 | gevaerts | The only way to be sure is to try it again, with your player, and your listening habits, but it will be a lot better now |
| 21:54:41 | mcuelenaere | domonoky, bluebrother: is the Windows RButility binary built on a Windows or Linux machine? |
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| 21:56:39 | Reptile211 | whats the topic again |
| 21:56:50 | mcuelenaere | Reptile211: /topic |
| 21:57:04 | mcuelenaere | woops that doesn' work |
| 21:57:29 | mcuelenaere | Reptile211: /topic #rockbox |
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| 22:03:29 | bluebrother | mcuelenaere: the windows binary is built on w2k |
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| 22:03:51 | mcuelenaere | bluebrother: with <4.4.1 I suppose.. |
| 22:05:31 | bluebrother | currently 4.4.0, as 4.4.1 came out later (and I haven't found the time upgrading −− it's always a complete recompile of Qt to get the static libraries) |
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| 22:20:47 | bertrik | codecs/mpa.c and plugins/mpegplayer/alloc.c implement an abort function but I can't find any use of it. I'd like to remove it. Is there any reason they exist? |
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| 22:23:30 | kugel | bertrik: Why do you hesitate about committing your battery bench patch? |
| 22:25:15 | bertrik | kugel, I'm not sure if everybody would agree with the new battery bench |
| 22:26:23 | bertrik | Personally I think it's definitely an improvement over the old one because it's much clearer and simpler (and even less code) |
| 22:26:36 | kugel | So, why should one not agree? |
| 22:27:23 | stu8ball | Perhaps it contains a goto. :p |
| 22:27:27 | bertrik | I think it hasn't been tested so much with disk-based targets yet |
| 22:27:29 | kugel | ;P |
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| 22:27:54 | kugel | stu8ball: That'd be evil, indeed :) |
| 22:29:00 | kugel | bertrik: I say, just commit, then it'll be tested enough |
| 22:29:01 | Lear | bertrik: If the codec libs don't need abort(), I don't see why it couldn't be removed. |
| 22:29:12 | * | gevaerts would like stu8ball to explain why gotos are bad, but that would be OT |
| 22:29:33 | kugel | bertrik: I'd like to get that committed before 3.0, since it makes battery_bench work again on e200 |
| 22:30:08 | * | bluebrother waits for someone to say "Misra" |
| 22:30:12 | bertrik | One potentially controversial thing is that the it forces a flush to disk when the plugin is exited, even when that happened because of dangerously low battery voltage. |
| 22:30:21 | gevaerts | Is battery_bench really that important in relation to 3.0? I would see it mostly as a development tool |
| 22:30:36 | * | Lear just found some changes for mono AAC files in his local tree. Wonder if they should be committed... |
| 22:31:09 | bluebrother | IMO battery_bench is anything but important ... |
| 22:31:32 | bertrik | nice to hear after putting some effort in it ... |
| 22:32:00 | * | gevaerts pats bertrik on the back. It's important, but in my opinion not really for end users |
| 22:32:02 | kugel | bertrik: I think it's very important. |
| 22:34:22 | bluebrother | bertrik: didn't want to turn you down ... |
| 22:35:59 | bluebrother | but I don't consider plugins as important in general. Rockbox does its main purpose just fine without them |
| 22:36:30 | * | gevaerts mostly agrees |
| 22:36:58 | gevaerts | That's actually what bothered me most about this number of open directories thing a few days ago. 16k extra _for disktidy_ ? |
| 22:37:35 | bluebrother | yep, my thoughts were similar. Now it's ~8ki extra for disktidy. Still ... |
| 22:37:51 | * | petur is puzzled by 9248 - going back a year shows the same issue :( |
| 22:38:01 | gevaerts | Indeed. Why not _decreasing_ the number, to make the real bug get fixed faster? |
| 22:38:44 | bluebrother | interesting approach. Indeed, why not? |
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| 22:39:16 | gevaerts | Maybe not just before 3.0 though... |
| 22:39:27 | * | gevaerts chickens out |
| 22:39:35 | bluebrother | there will be a 3.1 :) |
| 22:40:03 | gevaerts | I was thinking like five minutes after the 3.0 release :) |
| 22:40:18 | bluebrother | well, better than for 4.0 |
| 22:42:12 | rasher | The translation problem-report page should now notify of translations that set strings to "" or none, even where english specifies a value. I don't think anything caught this previously, so check your favourite translation! |
| 22:42:40 | rasher | http://rasher.dk/rockbox/translate/problems.php?lang=$langfilename (without .lang) |
| 22:43:29 | rasher | Oops, looks like I might have broken the Russian translation... |
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| 22:45:16 | rasher | Ah no, I'm off the hook. |
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| 22:45:36 | Bagder | the sansa updater windows program actually downloads 7zip files |
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| 22:46:07 | bluebrother | I tried that windows program once and really disliked it |
| 22:46:18 | gevaerts | http://rasher.dk/rockbox/translate/problems.php?lang=english seems to have lots of "English and translation are the same" warning :) |
| 22:47:40 | Bagder | bluebrother: someone snooped on its traffic and downloaded 24 fresh sansa e200v2 firmwares for my v2 page... |
| 22:47:55 | bluebrother | oh, nice |
| 22:48:23 | rasher | gevaerts: Fixed. |
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| 22:49:21 | gevaerts | rasher: you mean worked around ;) |
| 22:51:17 | pixelma | rasher: how often will the page be updated? |
| 22:51:37 | pixelma | (just curious) |
| 22:51:47 | rasher | pixelma: Every hour |
| 22:52:04 | rasher | Except the graphs, which will be "whenever I get around to it" |
| 22:53:27 | pixelma | nice one :) |
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| 23:01:55 | bluebrother | anyone interested in trying current rbutil with my bootloader rework? http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/rbutil/rbutilqt.7z |
| 23:02:47 | bluebrother | going to leave now as I've got a rather heavy headache tonight... back tomorrow. |
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| 23:07:44 | kraut | hi |
| 23:07:55 | kraut | are questions concerning the original sansa-firmware welcome here? |
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| 23:08:02 | kraut | i've got a problem and don't know where to get help. |
| 23:08:29 | gevaerts | No, sorry |
| 23:09:01 | kraut | damn it |
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| 23:09:11 | kraut | rockbox isn't available for me, because it's a v2 |
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| 23:14:37 | Bagder | http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/v2fw.html |
| 23:14:56 | Bagder | more than 20 new images added |
| 23:15:05 | Soap | Whoever David Kauffman is, thank you for fixing the Gigabeat WPS page - removing all those false WikiWords. |
| 23:15:35 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:16:17 | rasher | Someone should fix UnicodeGuide, to not be in Win1251, but I call not-itsies |
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| 23:30:36 | stephencc | pabs: |
| 23:30:39 | stephencc | soap |
| 23:30:48 | Soap | ? |
| 23:31:02 | stephencc | hey can I take something out of the graveyard or do you have to do it ? |
| 23:31:10 | stephencc | it's been given a license |
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| 23:31:26 | stephencc | the pulse theme by markcoleman |
| 23:32:19 | Soap | I would prefer the author do it... The wiki page says nothing about _Soap_ having any special powers when it comes to this. I just have been the citizen doing it. |
| 23:32:55 | stephencc | ah right. I have a pm from him asking could I do it coz he has no interest in updating it |
| 23:33:32 | stephencc | i pmed him to add a license |
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| 23:35:13 | Soap | It would be really nice, clearcut, and simple if the original author would be the one to make the wiki modification to at least indicate licensing. |
| 23:35:50 | Soap | I received a PM from Jesus Christ yesterday telling me I am the rightful king of the world... |
| 23:36:03 | gevaerts | You too? |
| 23:36:10 | stephencc | I see your point but he added the license already. |
| 23:36:23 | Soap | if he already did that - by all means move it. |
| 23:36:52 | stephencc | ok, just wasn't sure on the guidelines of moving from teh graveyard. |
| 23:36:53 | Soap | I hope he added the license to the .cfg/,wps as well - not a forced expectation, but an expectation nonetheless. |
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| 23:37:18 | stephencc | if not I could add one ? I think he just added it to the wiki |
| 23:37:32 | stephencc | i have the updated theme on my machine already |
| 23:38:41 | Soap | as long as the comments make clear who wrote it, who originally licensed it, the license, who edited it (when), yadda yadda yadda it's all cool I think. |
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| 23:39:38 | stephencc | ok thanks. p.s. i updated the nano themes the other day |
| 23:40:09 | Soap | It would be nice if the license was explicit in its claim that the entire work was <license>. I'm not sure it makes a legal difference, but it sure is reassuring to have the author's explicit words that the images are either their own creation or otherwise allowed to be released under the license they are claiming. |
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| 23:41:31 | stephencc | hmm he doesn't say that |
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| 23:42:25 | olle-wp | night |
| 23:42:35 | olle-wp | sleep(8) |
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| 23:43:36 | Bagder | 8 seconds? |
| 23:44:22 | gevaerts | Maybe a buggy RTC |
| 23:44:35 | LambdaCalculus37 | 8 seconds? |
| 23:44:44 | * | LambdaCalculus37 goes to read logs |
| 23:46:06 | LambdaCalculus37 | Soap: David Kauffman is BdN3504 on the forums. |
| 23:48:27 | Soap | stephencc, oh well. It is still ok to put it in the gallery and out of the graveyard. |
| 23:48:49 | stephencc | cheers jsut doign it now |
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| 23:55:51 | virtuoso015 | hello, some "unbricking" help needed |
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| 23:56:04 | virtuoso015 | have a sansa e260 4gb |
| 23:56:26 | virtuoso015 | and its just not updating the firmware |
| 23:56:40 | virtuoso015 | have use e200tool ... but to no avail |
| 23:56:45 | virtuoso015 | any help ?? |
| 23:57:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | What firmware version? |
| 23:58:04 | virtuoso015 | 1.02.18 |
| 23:58:29 | virtuoso015 | i have tried all possible ways in both recovery and manufacture modes |
| 23:58:49 | virtuoso015 | have also tried writing to the memory using e200tool |
| 23:59:00 | virtuoso015 | again, after a restart , its back to the same thing |
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