| 00:00:14 | virtuoso015 | it can go to the recovery mode |
| 00:00:22 | virtuoso015 | thats all |
| 00:00:33 | virtuoso015 | in normal, it says load image failed |
| 00:00:37 | virtuoso015 | goto recovery mode |
| 00:00:57 | virtuoso015 | same thing, means the same old data |
| 00:01:18 | virtuoso015 | i have tried overwriting the firmware |
| 00:01:23 | virtuoso015 | and bootloader |
| 00:01:28 | virtuoso015 | but it doesnt change |
| 00:01:48 | gevaerts | Did you unmount/eject/whatever the recovery filesystem properly? |
| 00:02:10 | virtuoso015 | i havent touched it |
| 00:02:19 | virtuoso015 | but i had tried to upgrade |
| 00:02:28 | virtuoso015 | and the next thing i see |
| 00:02:38 | virtuoso015 | there is version.txt |
| 00:02:44 | virtuoso015 | with incomplete data |
| 00:03:01 | stripwax | virtuoso015 - can you please press Enter less frequently? It makes it very hard to read actually |
| 00:03:04 | virtuoso015 | and whatever i put in there (BL, firmware, .fmt file) |
| 00:04:00 | gevaerts | What operating system are you using? |
| 00:04:10 | virtuoso015 | its lost and the player does not retain it or use it. So, right now, i am just left with a bricked phone |
| 00:04:18 | virtuoso015 | i use ubuntu 8.04 |
| 00:04:44 | virtuoso015 | sorry, bricked player |
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| 00:05:04 | gevaerts | OK, so after you copied those files to the recovery drive, did you properly unmount before unplugging? |
| 00:05:18 | virtuoso015 | yes, i did |
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| 00:06:41 | gevaerts | After that, did anything interesting show on the sansa's screen? |
| 00:07:06 | virtuoso015 | it just said formatting and then restarted |
| 00:07:58 | virtuoso015 | Now, all it shows is the boot splash screen , followed by the error message" load main image failed , goto recovery mode" |
| 00:08:14 | gevaerts | OK. Have you already tried only the bootloader and firmware, not the .fmt file? |
| 00:08:45 | virtuoso015 | i have tried every possible combination mentioned in the unbricking page at the rockbox wiki |
| 00:08:48 | bertrik | When I changed OFs on my sansa e260, it was enough to put just the main firmware on it |
| 00:08:50 | virtuoso015 | but no help |
| 00:09:26 | virtuoso015 | i started with just the firmware , then i did both firmware and .fmt , finally , i did all three |
| 00:09:26 | * | gevaerts doesn't have an e200 himself, so he leaves this to people who know more about it |
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| 00:09:36 | bertrik | virtuoso015, what's the exact name of your .mi4 file? |
| 00:09:55 | virtuoso015 | pp5022.mi4 |
| 00:11:04 | bertrik | ok, I think that's correct |
| 00:12:08 | virtuoso015 | bertrik, have u used the e200tool ? |
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| 00:13:37 | virtuoso015 | Does the read and write functions in the e200tool access the RAM or the NAND ? |
| 00:13:44 | bertrik | virtuoso015, no I've never used it |
| 00:14:47 | bertrik | IIRC, the expected behaviour is that the recovery mode writes the firmware to flash as soon as you unmount the device, then reboots itself |
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| 00:16:08 | virtuoso015 | yes, but in my case, when i disconnect the usb cable, it just gives a message saying cable is disconnected and is stuck there. I have to perform forced power down to shut it off |
| 00:18:20 | bertrik | this is just a guess, but can you try renaming the pp5022.mi4 file to firmware.mi4? |
| 00:18:30 | virtuoso015 | i did that also |
| 00:18:57 | virtuoso015 | no use, i read somewhere its meant to be for the hebrew version. Mine is a US version |
| 00:19:13 | n1s | virtuoso015: did you wait a while before force rebooting? |
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| 00:19:43 | virtuoso015 | yes, yesterday, i left it for a whole 6 hrs... no use |
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| 00:24:48 | bertrik | virtuoso015, I'm running out of ideas, I've never changed the OF under Linux, always under windows, so maybe that something to try |
| 00:25:24 | virtuoso015 | hmmm... yes, will have to try that... do we need any special tools for that ? |
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| 00:27:03 | bertrik | no, it just appears as an USB drive, you can use explorer to copy the files |
| 00:27:36 | virtuoso015 | ok, will try that and let you know how it goes... thanks for the help, bertrik |
| 00:27:37 | virtuoso015 | cya |
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| 01:08:00 | naurus | hey guys. do you think it would be possible to incorperate the cairo vector drawing library into rockbox? |
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| 01:11:16 | naurus | anything? |
| 01:12:19 | krazykit | naurus, please have patience in waiting for an answer |
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| 01:13:29 | naurus | sorry. you've helped me before, krazykit. usually the reply is quicker tho. *sigh* |
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| 01:14:25 | rasher | naurus: I don't see how that would ever work in any reasonable way. |
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| 01:15:51 | naurus | rasher: i agree at first glance, but i know that somehow incorperating the two could seriously add to rockbox's popularity and convenience |
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| 01:17:48 | naurus | acutally, a better question is: Would cario ever work on certain mp3 players? |
| 01:17:54 | rasher | naurus: For one thing, cairo makes heavy use of floats, so that's strike one. Large amount of code added to Rockbox for comparatively little gain (I doubt an increase in popularity would follow as you think) - strike two. |
| 01:18:28 | rasher | And we really don't need fancy graphics drawing that bad. |
| 01:19:28 | naurus | the reason i'm wondering this is that i love rockbox, but i really despise the user interface - including all the themes |
| 01:19:56 | krazykit | so make your own WPS. |
| 01:19:58 | rasher | I really don't see how shoehorning cairo into Rockbox would change that. |
| 01:20:03 | naurus | and when i hand my mp3 player to people, they freak out and don't understand how to use it. |
| 01:20:46 | rasher | You're proposing a technical solution to an aesthetic problem as far as I can tell |
| 01:20:52 | naurus | i guess maybe not cario, but support for png's and a new main menu. oh, and a change to the language file that changes the word Database to Music or Collection |
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| 01:21:55 | naurus | or how tough would it be to write a rockbox-only graphics engine that's optimized for mp3 players and downgradeable to B*W for archos for example |
| 01:22:16 | rasher | We already have a graphics engine... |
| 01:22:42 | naurus | one that can draw widgets? |
| 01:22:52 | rasher | One can draw whatever one pleases |
| 01:23:30 | naurus | in bmp format though, right? |
| 01:24:09 | rasher | Well, in native bitmap format |
| 01:25:00 | rasher | So what you *really* want is a png loader and support for an 8-bit alpha channel? |
| 01:25:04 | naurus | to me, that's not acceptable. i'm a graphic/web designer, and, one of the reasons i don't write for ie6 anymore is because of its lack of support for png alpha transparencty |
| 01:25:14 | naurus | yes. that would be nice. |
| 01:25:27 | num1_ | naurus: I'm currently writing a png viewer because I believe rockbox needs one. If you think rockbox needs a completely redone UI I wish you good luck, but I warn you against telling someone else (or telling the rockbox community as a whole)to do it. |
| 01:25:50 | naurus | but i think being able to write a gtk-like theme for rockbox would be nice. but very complex |
| 01:26:02 | rasher | naurus: I don't see why this is necessary. You absolutely 100% *know* how the screen looks at all times, so you can adjust your bitmaps as necessary |
| 01:26:08 | naurus | num1_: I love you. |
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| 01:26:54 | rasher | There is no guessing involved as with web pages (rendering bugs, screen sizes). You have full control. |
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| 01:28:06 | naurus | but lets say that you enable movement in the main menu, like in the sansa e200. that's not static. and if you want rockbox to become more feasable to people, you'll probably end up needing to add transparency |
| 01:28:55 | pixelma | and then people complain about sluggishness of the menus... |
| 01:28:59 | scorche | what is so "infeasable" about rockbox? |
| 01:31:16 | num1 | naurus: I'm confused as to what you're mentioning... even the OF didn't use transparency in the main menu |
| 01:31:55 | naurus | to me, it gets really annoying when things aren't modern. the main menu on rockbox is anything but modern |
| 01:32:21 | scorche | so things need to be shiny and have animations to be usable? |
| 01:32:38 | num1 | naurus: rockbox is functional. Cool graphics take up screen space and reduce functionality. |
| 01:32:58 | scorche | not to mention it would be sluggish as hell on many devices that simply cant handle that sort of thing |
| 01:33:17 | naurus | not to be useable, but to be feasable in the real world. and the real world is more than just us coders. |
| 01:33:27 | scorche | that really doesnt make sense |
| 01:33:32 | pixelma | I want them to be usable - e.g. in the c200 OF you only see one menu item at a time and need to scroll through all of them to even know the items, that's more unacceptable |
| 01:33:38 | rasher | You keep using that word, I don't think it means what you think it does. |
| 01:33:48 | num1 | naurus: again, if you want rockbox to look better any of us would be glad to give you limited support in writing it yourself, but telling us what rockbox "should" be like is a bad idea |
| 01:34:04 | naurus | i totally prefer the origonal firmwares (for the e200) look and main menu to rock boxes |
| 01:34:19 | scorche | then use that |
| 01:34:25 | num1 | naurus: but how many function did the OF have compared to rockbox? |
| 01:34:31 | num1 | s/function/functions |
| 01:34:44 | scorche | the OF are generally much simpler than rockbox is and can get away with such things |
| 01:34:54 | naurus | i would love to write it, and i've been thinking about learning C just for that, but currently i'm totally absorbed in a huge webpage |
| 01:35:16 | kugel | num1: How far are you on your png viewer? |
| 01:35:24 | rasher | I'm sorry, but you're not going to see Rockbox turned into something some hypothetical user wants, at the expense of flexibility, simplicity, ease of use (yes, ease of use) |
| 01:35:25 | pixelma | not to mention the unacceptable loading time of the c200 OF, can't imagine what they did there |
| 01:35:27 | naurus | num1: everything in rockbox (except the db and graphics) is better than the OF |
| 01:35:59 | kugel | num1: I actually also wanted to write one, but I'm kinda dropped the idea for now :S |
| 01:36:25 | kugel | naurus: Where is the OF graphics better? |
| 01:36:44 | kugel | naurus: It uses simple bitmaps too |
| 01:36:48 | naurus | mainly the man menu |
| 01:36:55 | naurus | main* |
| 01:37:18 | rasher | I found the OF's menu exceedingly frustrating to use |
| 01:37:25 | kugel | You know the "mechanics" of the of's main menu? you baiscally only change the bitmap shown |
| 01:37:28 | naurus | kugel: i doubt it. the newest firmware has animation and i don't think that uses bitmaps |
| 01:37:45 | kugel | I never noticed animations |
| 01:37:46 | num1 | kugel: yeah in the future a redesign is on my todo list (I've already got sketches) but I figured a png plugin was more practical, easier atm |
| 01:38:14 | kugel | num1: So, is it already working? ;) |
| 01:38:16 | naurus | num1: i'd be interested in checking out your sketches |
| 01:38:29 | naurus | num1: if you don't mind |
| 01:38:35 | num1 | naurus: trust me, it's bitmap blitting. There's nothing cool or revolutionary about the OF's main menu |
| 01:39:00 | naurus | on my e200 there isn't animation, but in my friends there is |
| 01:39:06 | naurus | and it's smooth |
| 01:39:09 | kugel | naurus: I'm using 1.02.24, I can't spot animations |
| 01:39:31 | num1 | kugel: lol, I've got a lot of it done, but I'm stuck at trying to display images that are bigger than the screen, so I haven't added support for alpha yet either |
| 01:39:39 | rasher | Rockbox has smooth animation, better than all OFs. Check the coverflow plugin. |
| 01:39:58 | kugel | num1: Mind to post your progress on the tracker? |
| 01:40:09 | naurus | hmm. can we implement coverflow with the main menu? |
| 01:40:22 | pixelma | blinking animations... what the world needs... :\ |
| 01:40:38 | rasher | naurus: Please no. For the love of god. |
| 01:40:41 | num1 | naurus: lemme dig them up, clean them up a little, scan them in, and upload them to a file-sharing site. That's a lot of effort so you're probably going to have to wait until the weekend for me to be able to do that. and they're really not all that good anyway so it's probably not worth waiting |
| 01:40:44 | naurus | kugel: you have to have the newer sansa - it has different firmware |
| 01:41:15 | kugel | naurus: You can implement in the main menu. Feel free to prepare a patch. Although it's unlikely to be accepted |
| 01:41:32 | num1 | rasher: actually a coverflow background on the main menu would be really cool. I can only imagine how much time that would take to code though. |
| 01:41:40 | naurus | num1: no thanks :P i thought you meant something you quick cooked up on the computer. you meant ACTUAL sketches! lol |
| 01:41:47 | num1 | naurus: lol |
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| 01:42:10 | rasher | num1: Good luck with getting that accepted |
| 01:42:23 | naurus | dang. i wish i knew C. i would totally work on this |
| 01:42:24 | kugel | num1: I'm still interested. As I already asked, would you mind to post your progress on the tracker? |
| 01:42:51 | num1 | kugel: yeah I'll post a tracker entry sometime soon |
| 01:43:02 | kugel | Great |
| 01:43:12 | naurus | kugel: BTW, you have the best rockbox mod IMO :) |
| 01:43:18 | kugel | though, sad that someone did something before I do :( |
| 01:43:33 | kugel | naurus: Thanks, but that's off-topic here ;) |
| 01:44:22 | num1 | kugel: I really don't like the quality of the code at this point though. I've been testing on my sansa e280 and haven't even started working on stuff like endianness, screens w/o color, low-memory targets, etc. I'll clean up the code a little first and then post it if you don't mind (Also so I don't look like a programming idiot ;) ) |
| 01:44:28 | naurus | kugel: yeah, i thought so. i decided to take the risk of getting kicked off. but back to me possible learing C... does anyone know a good starter tutorial online? i've looked before but didn't like any of them. |
| 01:45:32 | kugel | num1: Well, I can't hold you back I guess. Although I don't think people will complain at this early stage about coding style |
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| 01:47:03 | kugel | num1: Note: There's this great wording which is always a good excuse: work-in-progress :D |
| 01:48:12 | num1 | kugel: lol, have you seen my turkish language translation, now that's a "work-in-progress" :D |
| 01:49:43 | kugel | JdGordon: Any progress in testing the pf patch? Have you read my latest comment? |
| 01:50:09 | kugel | JdGordon: oops, yes you read it. |
| 01:50:22 | Soap | naurus, much more likely than integrating coverflow into the main menu would be someone to write an alternate menu system as a plugin. |
| 01:51:18 | Soap | Rockbox as a Rockbox plugin. Excellent GSoC project. ;) |
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| 01:52:39 | rasher | Turtles all the way down. |
| 01:55:35 | kugel | naurus: learning C is quite easy. Just take any of the mass tutorials and read the rockbox source parallel |
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| 02:31:09 | Llorean | Soap: In terms of "the best way for users" I would imagine it actually being more like Database being able to call plugins as one of the filters in the chain, instead of any making the whole UI pluggable. |
| 02:31:33 | Soap | ? |
| 02:31:56 | Llorean | You mentioned about half an hour ago Coverflow in main menu vs alternate menu system as a plugin |
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| 02:32:53 | Soap | My intention was not to describe the "best way for users" in any shape or form. My intent was to make the point that the _most likely_ way to get your "alternative" UI ideas seen and accepted would be to make an alternative UI plugin. (Does plugin have one or two g's? pluggin?) |
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| 02:33:07 | Llorean | Aaaaah |
| 02:35:06 | Soap | Something would need to be done about the (as I understand it) all-or-nothing approach to plugins taking the audio buffer (for I assume an eye-candy fest of a UI would exceed the plugin buffer) but an alternative filebrowser / simple menu plugin should be relatively easy. |
| 02:35:21 | Llorean | Well, the plugin buffer is pretty darn big. |
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| 02:36:14 | Soap | But everyone (who proposes such things) seems to want a kitchen sink of a UI with ponies and rainbows and antialiased widgets which dance with the devil in the pale moon light. |
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| 02:37:06 | Llorean | The dancing ponies might be problematic, yes, sprites aren't small by nature. |
| 02:38:18 | Llorean | But look at the Rockbox binary's size. According the the dev.cgi page the binary itself is approximately the size of the plugin buffer, with RAM use being 2-3 times the binary's size. |
| 02:38:48 | Llorean | I can't imagine a large part of the binary is list rendering, and if your plugin was just an alternate means for list rendering you probably have a lot of elbow room. |
| 02:39:33 | Llorean | It would be nice if plugins could "buffer" a piece of their data, though. |
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| 03:56:44 | woodensoul | hey all, I noticed some work is being done for Creative's line of players. I have a Zen Xtra that I just slapped a 160GB hard drive in, but the only way I'd be able to utilize the entire space is through Rockbox. Does anyone have any links or info on this possibility? |
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| 04:03:01 | woodensoul | I noticed ZenUtils being committed to SVN. Anyone have details? |
| 04:04:47 | Llorean | woodensoul: Just read the forum thread and the related wiki pages.\ |
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| 04:08:58 | woodensoul | Llorean: Are you referring to the Zen Vision:M thread? |
| 04:10:27 | Llorean | woodensoul: I don't know. My point is merely that you should be looking for posted information, and if there's not any, it means there really hasn't been much work done. |
| 04:11:01 | jfm3 | Hello I'm running r18217-080807 on an ipod 4G. When I power down, the ipod seems to crash. It displays a full screen image of a low battery, and then stops in such a way that no button presses seem to bring it back. I have to crack the case and interrupt power to get it to boot again. I have checked the battery with a volt meter and it is fine. Any/all clues appreciated! Cheers! |
| 04:11:18 | woodensoul | Point taken. I just thought there might be some more info available here. |
| 04:12:28 | Llorean | jfm3: That's a five day old build. And turning hold on then off, and holding menu and select, will still reboot it. just keep trying. |
| 04:12:53 | Llorean | The full screen image of a low battery is from Apple code, it's a problem with their bootloader. |
| 04:12:54 | jfm3 | will try thanks Llorean! |
| 04:13:43 | Llorean | Their code in flash runs before anything else, and it doesn't always seem happy with a fully shut down iPod. People have run into this without ever installing Rockbox, but since the iPod doesn't actually shut down as often when you're not using Rockbox (it suspends for quite a long period before it actually shuts down) it's not encountered as frequently. |
| 04:14:27 | jfm3 | Is there a better way to idle the ipod with Rockbox than the full shutdown? Just let it sit for 10m or w/e? |
| 04:14:44 | Llorean | What do you mean "idle" it? |
| 04:14:56 | Llorean | If you wait for idle poweroff it's still a full shot down. |
| 04:15:02 | jfm3 | I see. |
| 04:15:09 | Llorean | And please use real English. "w/e" isn't a word. |
| 04:15:42 | jfm3 | No problem. Thanks again for the help. |
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| 04:28:45 | curtmack | I have a question about the NSF decoder... why doesn't it segment the tracks? Shouldn't it be impossible to play an NSF file from start-to-finish like the NSF decoder on Rockbox does? |
| 04:29:34 | * | num1 notes that we do use words such as OF here and wonders why w/e isn't allowed |
| 04:29:35 | curtmack | oh wait, I see... |
| 04:29:54 | Llorean | num1: Because "OF" is a term specific to the Rockbox project anyway |
| 04:30:33 | Llorean | If we couldn't use technical terms, words like "bootloader" "sansapatcher" wouldn't be usable either. |
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| 04:32:33 | Llorean | num1: Basically, anything on this page qualifies as a real word in terms of the channel guidelines: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ProjectGlossary |
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| 04:35:53 | num1 | Llorean: thanks for the clarification |
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| 05:15:47 | webguest11 | hello |
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| 05:15:58 | webguest11 | anyone here? |
| 05:16:38 | webguest11 | I have some questions... if anyone's available to answer some? |
| 05:17:15 | JdGordon_ | so ask them.... |
| 05:18:30 | webguest11 | hi, erm, I just installed rock box, and I'm trying to get it to charge while connected to the computer without playing through the computer's software. Before I could just eject the drive but now a message of okay to disconnect lingers |
| 05:18:30 | kugel | JdGordon: could you already overcome the issue where parts of the screen show parts of the previous screen (e.g. wps) when using a non-fullscreen parent? |
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| 05:19:24 | JdGordon_ | kugel: thats a problem with the screen not clearing parts it not using... |
| 05:20:01 | Llorean | webguest11: It sounds like you have an iPod? If so, just hold Menu while connecting it to the host computer. |
| 05:20:53 | kugel | JdGordon_: Yea, I already noticed ;) However, I'd think it should be clear'able with some use of display->update() or display->clear_display(), but it isn't |
| 05:20:54 | webguest11 | yes I do have an ipod... it's ipod classic, there's no port of it but apparently ipod video's port works on it... hopefully it's not harmful :o |
| 05:21:17 | Llorean | webguest11: No, video's port doesn't work on it. |
| 05:21:24 | webguest11 | I'm using it right now :/ |
| 05:21:26 | JdGordon_ | kugel: clear_display should do it... |
| 05:21:29 | Llorean | webguest11: If Rockbox runs on it, it's not an iPod Classic |
| 05:21:33 | webguest11 | orly |
| 05:21:37 | Llorean | You had an iPod Video and were confused. |
| 05:21:38 | webguest11 | well ebay was wrong... |
| 05:21:47 | webguest11 | well, now I know :) |
| 05:21:59 | webguest11 | anyways, going to try the the menu button then |
| 05:22:59 | kugel | JdGordon_: apparently it doesn't |
| 05:23:22 | JdGordon_ | ok, so you might have to set the vp to NULL first.. |
| 05:24:38 | webguest11 | holy shit it works, though the computer's popping up found new hardware... I assume this is normal and good? :) |
| 05:24:44 | kugel | JdGordon_: That doesn't work either. Also, clear_display does that already |
| 05:25:21 | Llorean | webguest11: Yeah, just cancel. |
| 05:25:57 | JdGordon_ | kugel: show me.... are you updating the screen after the clear? |
| 05:26:14 | cool_walking_ | Llorean: I think Apple have retroactively renamed the previous iPods "Classic"s. |
| 05:26:34 | Llorean | cool_walking_: Funny, their website for identifying distinguished them as separate just a couple weeks ago. |
| 05:26:53 | Llorean | Still does: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1353 |
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| 05:27:29 | kugel | JdGordon_: Ah, update() ds+ |
| 05:27:36 | kugel | oops |
| 05:27:45 | kugel | s/ds+/seems to do it/ |
| 05:29:34 | kugel | JdGordon_: Well, a clear_display() and update() causes flickering again |
| 05:29:34 | cool_walking_ | Wikipedia says they've become a "Classic line" on the iPod and iPod_Classic pages. They don't seem to cite anything though... |
| 05:30:18 | Llorean | cool_walking_: well, I just cited you Apple's own "Identify your iPod" page. |
| 05:30:24 | Llorean | You don't get a more definitive source than that, really. |
| 05:31:41 | kugel | Well, I'm off. Cu |
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| 05:34:00 | cool_walking_ | Llorean: Apparently this ( http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/specialevent0907/ ) is the source, but I don't have sound. |
| 05:34:40 | cool_walking_ | "around 00:25:00" |
| 05:35:14 | Llorean | Around 00:25:00 according to who/what? |
| 05:35:59 | cool_walking_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:IPod_Classic#Is_this_article_about_Ipods_or_.22classics.22.3F |
| 05:36:37 | Llorean | "Original Style" |
| 05:36:43 | Llorean | That means "not the Nano style and not the Touch style" |
| 05:36:53 | Llorean | It doesn't necessarily or even suggest to me it means "all previous iPods" |
| 05:36:57 | cool_walking_ | err, wrong anchor. scroll down to "They are not all called iPod Classic" |
| 05:36:57 | Llorean | They're talking about form factor. |
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| 05:45:32 | Llorean | cool_walking_: I think the problem is the difference between "classic" being used as an adjective, ie "Classic iPods" and as a proper noun for a specific single model, "iPod Classic" |
| 05:48:58 | Llorean | cool_walking_: Yeah, I've just watched the relevant part of the video. He basically says "Because the iPod doesn't have a name, since it was first, now they're the iPod classics" |
| 05:49:17 | Llorean | Which is basically just a way to distinguish them from the touch and the nano and the shuffle since they're all "iPods" |
| 05:49:34 | Llorean | So "classic" is the name for the form factor, "Classic" is the name for the model. |
| 05:49:53 | cool_walking_ | ah |
| 05:50:10 | Llorean | Still, the most clear designation will be a mention of the generation anyway. |
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| 07:17:31 | BiptoN | are there any programmin type folks in here? |
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| 07:18:18 | Llorean | BiptoN: If you have a Rockbox question it's best to just ask it |
| 07:18:57 | BiptoN | well i've been watchin the info on the zune and it hasn't gone too good |
| 07:19:07 | Llorean | Nobody's working on it. |
| 07:19:16 | BiptoN | i was just readin' up on th cold boot hack that some fellas put together |
| 07:19:18 | BiptoN | i know |
| 07:19:21 | BiptoN | i saw that |
| 07:19:57 | BiptoN | any hoot they were able to retrieve the key for encrypted hard drives |
| 07:20:27 | BiptoN | they unplug the power, boot a usb drive and dump the contents of ram to a file then retrieve the key |
| 07:20:57 | Llorean | If there's important information it's best to post it in the relevant thread so it doesn't get lost |
| 07:21:04 | BiptoN | would it be at all possible from your understanding to maybe retrieve other keys left behind? |
| 07:21:38 | BiptoN | well i thought i ask here first to see if it was at all relevent before wastin any more time |
| 07:21:43 | BiptoN | mine and others |
| 07:22:01 | Llorean | I don't understand. If it was a waste of time, it would've been one here as well... |
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| 07:24:27 | BiptoN | ok than |
| 07:24:41 | BiptoN | i suppose i'll post the question at that thread |
| 07:24:49 | BiptoN | sorry for wastin your time |
| 07:24:59 | Quazgaa | 10 lashes for you |
| 07:25:11 | Llorean | Quazgaa: Please be serious in this channel. |
| 07:25:35 | BiptoN | one more question if i may |
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| 07:26:04 | BiptoN | did you guys find out some vital info on the ipod battery wise |
| 07:26:25 | Llorean | What do you mean? |
| 07:26:27 | BiptoN | i ran a battery bench and the 4t hgen ipod i ran it on lasted for dang near 20 hours |
| 07:26:42 | Llorean | Well yes, there were power management improvements some time ago |
| 07:26:43 | BiptoN | that same ipod would barely push the 4 hour mark |
| 07:26:51 | Llorean | They were mentioned in the changelog... |
| 07:27:11 | BiptoN | i haven't been trackin changes as much since i have that darn zune |
| 07:27:23 | BiptoN | thanks for your time |
| 07:27:48 | Llorean | Well you should always search for answers before asking questions. |
| 07:28:03 | Llorean | Please don't ask if specific bugs are issues are solved without simply checking the log first. |
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| 08:49:36 | midgey | I'll be back tomorrow (for me) to discuss it a bit since I need some help |
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| 10:13:43 | LinusN | i love the cygwin installer announcement: "This list summarizes the main possibilities, in decreasing order of worstness" |
| 10:13:53 | B4gder | haha |
| 10:14:02 | B4gder | worstness is a fine word |
| 10:14:18 | LinusN | i must say that this sucks for our cygwin users |
| 10:14:34 | B4gder | the sig crap? |
| 10:14:38 | LinusN | yes |
| 10:14:46 | B4gder | indeed |
| 10:15:08 | B4gder | I guess we need to fall back to provide tarballs for the compilers for the cygwin dudes |
| 10:15:26 | LinusN | i think we should suggest option 2: "Tell your users to supply the new -X (−−no-verify) command-line flag when using setup.exe to download from your mirror." |
| 10:15:38 | B4gder | ah |
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| 10:16:32 | LinusN | actually, a giant tarball with an install script is not that terrible |
| 10:17:56 | GodEater | what would it take for us to get our packages signed? (Or whatever we need to do) |
| 10:18:28 | cool_walking_ | The problem is users still have to specify a command-line argument, so it's no easier than using -X |
| 10:23:53 | LinusN | even harder, since they have to download a public key |
| 10:24:45 | Llorean | Can the cygwin setup program be run with a list of packages for unattended installations? |
| 10:24:49 | LinusN | i think we should scrap the cygwin packages and use a tarball and a shell script |
| 10:24:57 | B4gder | I agree |
| 10:25:01 | Llorean | Like, could we tell them to run the usual cygwin setup, then "drag and drop setup.exe on this batch file" or something? |
| 10:25:20 | LinusN | it's onlt a matter of unpacking the archives at /opt |
| 10:25:42 | Llorean | Can rockboxdev.sh tell it's inside cygwin? |
| 10:25:45 | * | Llorean doesn't know how that works. |
| 10:25:56 | Llorean | I would assume there's plenty of ways to check. |
| 10:26:06 | LinusN | i believe rockboxdev.sh works in cygwin |
| 10:26:21 | LinusN | the problem is that it takes a day or two to compile ut |
| 10:26:23 | Llorean | I meant, though, could it tell it's in cygwin and just download the packages and extract |
| 10:26:27 | Llorean | Instead of performing a full build |
| 10:26:39 | B4gder | ah, that could be neat |
| 10:26:40 | Llorean | Maybe ask if you'd like to use the precompiled packages if cygwin is detected. |
| 10:26:46 | LinusN | good idea |
| 10:27:09 | Llorean | That then brings us back to having one single "how to get cross compilers working" set of instructions. |
| 10:27:10 | B4gder | and having the tarball on our download mirrors should give people speedy downloads |
| 10:27:19 | LinusN | exactly |
| 10:28:10 | LinusN | the only reason we use the cygwin installer is that it was simple, but now it isn't simple anymore |
| 10:28:53 | LinusN | besides, using the command line shouldn't be a problem, because if you install the development kit, you should be able to use the command line anyway |
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| 10:33:57 | B4gder | so what would the "install" part involve, after the download? |
| 10:34:17 | LinusN | untar and update bash_profile |
| 10:34:44 | cool_walking_ | I thought you didn't want to fiddle with people's env variables |
| 10:34:59 | cool_walking_ | oh you mean tell them to.. |
| 10:35:50 | LinusN | that's about the only problem the cygwin users have |
| 10:35:59 | LinusN | updating the PATH |
| 10:36:08 | LinusN | and that seems to be a huge obstacle for some |
| 10:36:53 | cool_walking_ | Isn't it the same for Linux users? |
| 10:37:03 | LinusN | the cygwin packages have an install script that updates /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 10:37:07 | cool_walking_ | I thought the people who had trouble with PATH were mostly on Linux, not Cygwin. |
| 10:37:15 | LinusN | cool_walking_: actually no |
| 10:37:45 | LinusN | because most linux users seem to know what it's all about |
| 10:38:12 | LinusN | many cygwin users install cygwin only to apply some lame patch |
| 10:38:17 | linuxstb | Reading the cygwin announcement, it sounds like they're aware of how inconvenient this is, so may come up with a nicer solution for custom mirrors in the future. Couldn't we simply recommend (and provide a link to) an older setup.exe for the immediate future, and see what happens? |
| 10:38:51 | cool_walking_ | Yeah but I think some people are new to Linux, sort of using Rockbox as an excuse to get into Linux, I think. |
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| 10:39:01 | LinusN | linuxstb: i think we should go for the rockboxdev.sh approach anyway, because building those cygwin packages is a pain in the butt |
| 10:39:15 | Llorean | linuxstb: Having rockboxdev.sh download and extract them seems *more* elegant to me actually, since it unifies the install instructions quite a bit. |
| 10:39:23 | LinusN | Llorean: exactly |
| 10:39:51 | LinusN | in fact, we could even provide .deb packages too, if we wanted to |
| 10:39:52 | cool_walking_ | Yeah, less diverging instructions is always good. |
| 10:40:00 | petur | otoh, even I managed to build them ;) |
| 10:40:32 | LinusN | petur: the cygwin packages? |
| 10:40:44 | petur | crosscompilers |
| 10:40:51 | LinusN | ah |
| 10:41:13 | cool_walking_ | Wouldn't .debs likely break across distros? |
| 10:41:28 | B4gder | .debs are only for debian-based distros |
| 10:41:43 | cool_walking_ | Yeah, there are lots of debian-based distros.. |
| 10:41:50 | B4gder | we could provide/keep packages for anything anyone wants to create |
| 10:41:53 | LinusN | and in this case there would be no difference between the debian-based distros either |
| 10:42:10 | LinusN | since the installation is so simple |
| 10:42:27 | B4gder | yeah, and it has very few external dependencies |
| 10:42:42 | LinusN | does it have any? |
| 10:42:50 | B4gder | glibc no doubt... |
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| 10:42:56 | LinusN | ah of course |
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| 10:43:58 | linuxstb | LinusN, Llorean: Sorry, I hadn't read the final part of the logs - I agree that would be nice, so ignore me ;) |
| 10:44:15 | LinusN | i'll have a go at it soonish |
| 10:44:43 | * | petur wonders about the h300 bootloader :P |
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| 10:53:23 | LinusN | petur: i have spent quite some time trying to understand what the problem is.... |
| 10:54:13 | LinusN | and it is hard since i don't have a player that exhibits the problem |
| 10:54:22 | petur | btw, bootloader usb doesn't work well in the version I have on it now - is that expected? |
| 10:54:37 | LinusN | i dunno |
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| 10:55:27 | petur | so you need my h380? |
| 10:55:42 | LinusN | or make mine behave the same way |
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| 12:10:23 | Kokos | hi |
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| 12:11:07 | Kokos | i'm looking for rockbox build with amiga modules support within. Is there any ready binaries or I must to compile it myself? thanx. |
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| 12:11:23 | Kokos | are there* |
| 12:11:42 | gevaerts | Any recent build should do that |
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| 12:13:07 | Kokos | gevaerts, i used rockbox install util, and my rockbox doesnt recognize this *.mod format.. |
| 12:14:14 | * | gevaerts waits for someone who uses mods to comment |
| 12:14:24 | Kokos | but ill check it again. maybe i did something wrong. |
| 12:16:52 | LinusN | Kokos: aren't there a bazillion different amiga .mod formats? |
| 12:18:05 | Kokos | luckz, yeah. but i am trying to use the most popular protracker format. |
| 12:18:31 | * | Kokos it would be great when rockbox could support MOD files via UADE. |
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| 12:44:38 | linuxstb | bobjim: Does the Apple firmware work? |
| 12:45:14 | bobjim | yeah |
| 12:46:59 | linuxstb | What ata error is it giving? |
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| 12:48:32 | Quintasan | Hiho, I am supposed to compile rockboy and zxbox in order to run it, cuz i cant see precompiled file |
| 12:49:02 | linuxstb | Quintasan: Read the fine manual - they're "viewer plugins", so are run when you select a file in the file browser |
| 12:49:42 | bobjim | linuxstb: ATA error: -1 |
| 12:49:55 | bobjim | then it says press on to debug |
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| 13:17:23 | krz | mcuelenaere: hi, i'm writing a reply too :) |
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| 13:17:23 | mcuelenaere | krz: yes, now that I know there's something like WPS_REFRESH_ALL and fill_rect() is merely used as something to clear the viewports, it isn't really useful I guess |
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| 13:22:18 | mcuelenaere | krz: AFAIK Rockbox uses fixed-width fonts; I looked a bit into Qt's QFontMetrics but didn't found it ver useful, how are you going to solve that? |
| 13:24:35 | pixelma | there are proportional fonts in Rockbox, or do you mean something else than looks? |
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| 13:25:06 | mcuelenaere | I mean every character has the same width |
| 13:25:13 | mcuelenaere | or am I wrong here? |
| 13:25:36 | amiconn | you are wrong |
| 13:25:59 | amiconn | Rockbox supports both fixed width and proportional fonts |
| 13:27:34 | mcuelenaere | ah there's a font maxwidth? |
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| 14:45:02 | hashbang | heyas |
| 14:45:33 | hashbang | I've been hacking a bit on the rwps for the cabbiev2 theme; is there someone who'd be interested in receiving my mods? |
| 14:46:06 | hashbang | essentially, I trimmed the sides off the 'now playing' bar and added status icons for main/remote hold switches, disc, volume, battery and play mode |
| 14:50:39 | petur | how about the tracker? |
| 14:52:13 | hashbang | petur: hmmm? |
| 14:52:33 | petur | post your changes to the tracker as a patch |
| 14:53:03 | petur | and then nag people here about it ;) |
| 14:53:58 | petur | -> http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?type=4 |
| 14:54:17 | hashbang | I'm not sure everyone will agree with my asthetics, but I figured I've done the work, others might as well take a look to see if it's worthwhile |
| 14:55:24 | petur | you could also just post it as a new theme in the wiki, but since this one is SVN, I think the tracker is a fine place too |
| 14:55:40 | petur | include screenshots ;) |
| 14:55:58 | hashbang | petur: I also made the time played/remaining a subline (along with RTC), allowing the right hand side of that line to be used to display the id3 artist tag |
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| 14:56:32 | hashbang | petur: oh, I need write access to the wiki, too |
| 14:56:37 | * | petur spots another *rock plugin and sighs |
| 14:57:02 | petur | hashbang: sure... wiki name? |
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| 14:58:11 | hashbang | petur: AlexButcher |
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| 15:00:50 | petur | done |
| 15:01:25 | hashbang | petur: ta |
| 15:01:36 | hashbang | petur: what's the best category for my rwps mods? |
| 15:01:40 | hashbang | WPS? |
| 15:01:42 | hashbang | or UI? |
| 15:01:56 | * | petur on the phone |
| 15:02:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | WPS. |
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| 15:08:26 | pixelma | hashbang: and mention which remote it is for (I assume Iriver?) |
| 15:08:56 | hashbang | pixelma: yup; I did it for my H300 |
| 15:11:14 | pixelma | I was mentioning it because the Iaudio remote is quite different (bigger and greyscale), the 128x64 monochrome remote can be used on the H100 and H300. I'd be interested in a more "complete" WPS for those as there are some possible targets with the same display type (iFP, Logik Dax) |
| 15:11:58 | pixelma | "type" in the sense of resolution and colour depth |
| 15:12:16 | hashbang | pixelma: feel free to use the icons I did - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9276 |
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| 15:19:02 | pixelma | hashbang: you could also discuss your ideas in the "ongoing default theme contest" thread in the forums. As far as I know the creator of the cabbiev2 theme is more often around there and might have an opinion |
| 15:19:52 | petur | and add screenshots :) |
| 15:20:36 | hashbang | petur: I've never had a lot of luck getting the simulator to build |
| 15:21:25 | petur | huh? |
| 15:21:43 | hashbang | petur: in order to make a screenshot |
| 15:22:04 | petur | ../tools/configure <target num> S make make install |
| 15:22:11 | moos | hasbang: you can turn on the screen dump option we have under rockbox on your DAP directly |
| 15:22:26 | hashbang | moos: and that does the remote LCD too? |
| 15:23:00 | * | moos missed the begin of the conversation :) |
| 15:23:09 | moos | it doesn't |
| 15:23:17 | hashbang | moos: heh. no worries. :-) |
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| 15:23:31 | hashbang | moos: I hadn't even considered that, so you might have been right. :-) |
| 15:24:06 | moos | just in case you will need it, now you know you can do it :) |
| 15:27:06 | hashbang | ls |
| 15:27:08 | hashbang | oops |
| 15:28:16 | krz | strange, wiki doesn't save changes... |
| 15:30:51 | LinusN | krz: reload the page |
| 15:31:18 | krz | LinusN: surely i reloaded it several times |
| 15:31:58 | krz | seems that changes are saved not immideatly |
| 15:32:11 | LinusN | which page? |
| 15:32:12 | pixelma | twiki also has a problem - WPSEditor is not a wiki word to it |
| 15:32:55 | krz | how can this be fixed? |
| 15:33:20 | amiconn | meh |
| 15:33:56 | hashbang | ok, how do I drive the UI simulator? |
| 15:34:34 | * | amiconn should really add remote screenshot capability |
| 15:35:32 | LinusN | krz: which page is it? |
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| 15:35:57 | krz | LinusN: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WPSEditor |
| 15:36:21 | LinusN | "r10 - 13 Aug 2008 - 15:27:37 - RostislavChekan" |
| 15:36:31 | LinusN | looks fairly recent |
| 15:36:39 | krz | now it is saved, sorry for disturbance |
| 15:36:59 | LinusN | we should rename it to a wiki word that twiki accepts |
| 15:37:53 | krz | i'm not familiar with wiki, what can you advice? |
| 15:37:57 | LinusN | i just renamed it to WpsEditor |
| 15:38:04 | krz | oki |
| 15:39:14 | krz | so, btw, what do you think about editing in this described way? |
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| 15:41:40 | LinusN | krz: i'm thinking more in the lines of how some html editors work, with a text editor and a live preview |
| 15:42:17 | krz | LinusN: what do you mean? |
| 15:42:29 | LinusN | but the option to click in the wps preview to reach the corresponding line in the wps source code is kind of nice |
| 15:43:12 | LinusN | krz: i mean a text editor box where you edit the WPS source code, and a live preview that shows how the wps looks like |
| 15:45:26 | krz | LinusN: ahhh, i meant a bit another way. when we select a line, we can drag neccessary tags and place them directly in the line, with no need to know all tags |
| 15:45:54 | LinusN | ah, nice |
| 15:46:32 | LinusN | i guess you would like both, though |
| 15:46:45 | krz | LinusN: but the variant you proposed could be implemented rather quickly |
| 15:47:09 | LinusN | i guess your editor could support both ways |
| 15:47:18 | krz | sure |
| 15:47:32 | LinusN | since not everything can be done with drag'n'drop anyway |
| 15:48:13 | krz | oki, i've understand :) |
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| 16:17:50 | hashbang | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=10030.msg132077#msg132077 # screenshot of my modified rwps remote theme |
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| 17:04:23 | MarcGuay | Anyone care to comment on my intense desire to close this http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9276? |
| 17:05:16 | LambdaCalculus37 | MarcGuay: I'm not stopping you. ;) |
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| 17:10:24 | hashbang | MarcGuay: sorry, I'm new to Rockbox dev and couldn't get any clear info on where to start contributing. I won't bother with it any further. Use it if you like, or not. |
| 17:11:19 | hashbang | MarcGuay: not a great way of encouraging new blood, though. |
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| 17:13:57 | petur | MarcGuay: actually, it was me who suggested it was paosted in the tracker since it is about modifying an SVN theme |
| 17:14:17 | petur | -a |
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| 17:17:42 | MarcGuay | Meh. Confusing reigns. Sorry hashbang (same person as cowbutt?), the problem is that the tracker tends to get cluttered and it's easiest to prune when things show up. |
| 17:18:09 | MarcGuay | petur: Any thoughts, re-open? |
| 17:18:12 | mcuelenaere | krz: I edited the WpsEditor wiki page a bit, hope you don't mind |
| 17:19:29 | krz | mcuelenaere: looks rather good :) |
| 17:19:31 | MarcGuay | hashbang: Please don't take it personally, there's just always a bit of disagreement about where things should go. |
| 17:20:04 | petur | MarcGuay: if it is about changing the SVN verion to make it better *and* other remotes will be fixed as well I think it can/should stay in the tracker. It's not supposed to be a new theme, after all? |
| 17:20:24 | * | petur hopes to learn how to type one day :/ |
| 17:21:24 | MarcGuay | petur: I put it on par with my helv12 remix of cabbiev2, which I just stuck in the wiki because I didn't intend for it to become a replacement, nor a "new" theme. In my mind it's better, but... |
| 17:21:26 | petur | let's ask the RSB :D |
| 17:21:48 | hashbang | MarcGuay: first of all I couldn't find an email address in the existing theme, then I asked on here, and petur said post to the tracker, then someone else said the wiki, now your closure note says post it somewhere else in the wiki. |
| 17:22:27 | petur | hashbang: just shows how well we're organized ;) |
| 17:22:36 | hashbang | MarcGuay: when I've made similar minor changes to components of other projects, I've usually just emailed the author of that component and asked them effectively to 'sponsor' it |
| 17:23:02 | MarcGuay | hashbang: I think it depends on whether or not you'd like to submit it for inclusion in the regular builds, or just as an optional version for those who want it. |
| 17:23:43 | MarcGuay | hashbang: The cabbiev2 default was made by a group of people and it's now just a part of Rockbox licensed under GPL. |
| 17:23:57 | petur | my thought was that it is a 'fix' for a file in svn so it should go in the tracker... |
| 17:24:08 | hashbang | MarcGuay: I don't mind. It works for me, but I figured it'd be nice if other people could benefit if they have the same itch but hadn't gotten round to scratching it yet. |
| 17:24:28 | mcuelenaere | krz: the new PlainText feature is pretty nice, only thing is when you press "Update WPS" some of the bitmaps either won't show or show up as (garbled) rectangles |
| 17:24:54 | hashbang | MarcGuay: ultimately, I don't really have the time for the politicking in order to fight for my patches to go in. I try to make them tasteful enough that the original author doesn't object. |
| 17:25:49 | krz | mcuelenaere: jup, i know and wrote it in svn log. there is a solution also, on which i'm working on |
| 17:25:59 | mcuelenaere | k |
| 17:28:17 | MarcGuay | hashbang: Alright I'm going to re-open the task but I'd also suggest posting it in the WPS gallery because it's more than likely to rot in the tracker and not be noticed (negative much, Marc?) |
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| 17:30:11 | * | gevaerts thinks that this doesn't belong in the WPS gallery |
| 17:30:20 | petur | hashbang: but would you care enough to 'fix' the other rwps screens too? |
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| 17:31:39 | hashbang | petur: nope. cabbiev2 is good enough for me. |
| 17:32:04 | petur | I mean for the other targets with remote - not other themes... |
| 17:32:41 | petur | if the changes go it, they should go in for all targets |
| 17:32:46 | n1s | there is only one more remote, right? (iaudio [xm]5/m3) |
| 17:33:31 | petur | could be, I'm not sure |
| 17:34:22 | MarcGuay | Two remotes: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DefaultWPS |
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| 17:34:55 | livingdaylight | ja hallo jungs |
| 17:35:40 | livingdaylight | i have a iAudio X5L and wonder what rockbox will give me that original firmware doesn't? |
| 17:35:42 | petur | MarcGuay: ah, the X5 remote is larger and probably doesn't need the change |
| 17:36:54 | gevaerts | livingdaylight: have you already seen http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox ? |
| 17:37:33 | pixelma | petur: what do you mean with "other remotes get fixed"? |
| 17:38:27 | petur | pixelma: bring his rwps changes to other remotes. I now see there is just the x5, so I was probably just talking rubbish |
| 17:39:05 | MarcGuay | petur: But the "fix" is adding playstate icons, and the iAudio remotes currenrly don't have them either. |
| 17:39:16 | pixelma | the Iaudio remote has a quite complete port (IMO of course ;) ) because it is used as main screen on the M3. So I made it more like the othe "full screen" WPSs |
| 17:39:17 | livingdaylight | gevaerts: i hadn't seen no, thx |
| 17:39:31 | * | petur tries to shut up when only half informed :/ |
| 17:39:38 | pixelma | MarcGuay: ? |
| 17:39:59 | pixelma | when did you last have a look? |
| 17:39:59 | livingdaylight | how does one restore default firmware if i want to? |
| 17:40:28 | MarcGuay | pixelma: I'm using the (I guess outdated) DefaultWPS page as a reference. |
| 17:41:30 | gevaerts | livingdaylight: that should be explained in the manual, near the installation instructions |
| 17:42:20 | pixelma | MarcGuay: yes, that's outdated. The DefaultWPS page just points to the entries in the WPS gallery for some targets, I asked around in the forums and yapper said he would update them with the changes, seems he only did so for the 160x128x2 screen :| |
| 17:42:52 | pixelma | maybe it was a misunderstanding |
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| 17:43:13 | livingdaylight | what is Latex? |
| 17:43:48 | livingdaylight | i downloaded the firmware but i don't know how to install it to my iAudio now |
| 17:44:11 | MarcGuay | livingdaylight: Please read the installation chapter of the manual. |
| 17:44:12 | hashbang | livingdaylight: latex is a typesetting package; why do you ask? |
| 17:44:27 | petur | http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
| 17:44:58 | livingdaylight | because i opened the manual and it was all about latex |
| 17:45:24 | gevaerts | You probably did something wrong then |
| 17:45:31 | MarcGuay | livingdaylight: I think you went to the "how to help out with the manual" page. |
| 17:45:52 | petur | livingdaylight: use the link I just gave |
| 17:46:00 | MarcGuay | pixelma: So the X5 remote has icons now? The WPS gallery posting for cabbiev2 is also out of date if so. |
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| 17:47:09 | MarcGuay | In which case hashbang's current modifications to the iriver remote are sufficient for it to be a 'complete' patch? |
| 17:47:44 | pixelma | yes, almost looks like the port for the Mini screen (which has also outdated screenshots in the gallery) |
| 17:48:29 | mcuelenaere | krz: what do you think of the dynamic proxy library loading I use in the screenshot utility? Shouldn't something similar be used in the WPS editor in order to be able to use several targets in the same app? |
| 17:48:40 | pixelma | MarcGuay: (to the first question) |
| 17:48:57 | livingdaylight | wow, what a manual! its like a book! |
| 17:49:10 | livingdaylight | but it looks like Rockbox really Rockz! |
| 17:49:23 | pixelma | livingdaylight: read the manual, especially the installation instruction. For the Iaudios you should read the "manual installation" part too because there are bits and pieces of the installation process that are not very obvious when using RBUtil yet |
| 17:49:37 | livingdaylight | i just got iAudio X5 on eBay; so, i am excited |
| 17:49:53 | LambdaCalculus37 | Yes, a manual usually is a book. ;) |
| 17:50:09 | pixelma | RBUtil = the Rockbox Utility |
| 17:50:13 | MarcGuay | livingdaylight: How much did it cost you? $350+? |
| 17:50:17 | gevaerts | Am I the only one who finds that the X5L uninstallation instructions are grammatically dubious? |
| 17:50:17 | livingdaylight | i thought it could be more like a pamphlet |
| 17:51:03 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: They are. |
| 17:51:08 | livingdaylight | MarcGuay: my winning bid was £105 (£111 including p&p) |
| 17:51:19 | * | gevaerts will s/.And/,and/ |
| 17:51:42 | LambdaCalculus37 | Same goes for the M5 and M3. |
| 17:51:55 | * | LambdaCalculus37 scratches the M3 |
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| 17:52:12 | livingdaylight | MarcGuay: that's about us$220 ?? |
| 17:52:36 | * | petur manages not to ask if the X5 came with a disk that was sold as-is |
| 17:52:55 | livingdaylight | i could have got a brand new iAudio D2 instead but liked the idea of 30gb to start off with |
| 17:53:28 | livingdaylight | petur: a disc? |
| 17:53:49 | gevaerts | livingdaylight: don't pay attention to that. Inside joke |
| 17:53:53 | pixelma | MarcGuay: and yes, I think there could be a tracker entry for it. It's just that I see some more potential... but it would also give a place to collect ideas I think |
| 17:53:55 | livingdaylight | ok :) |
| 17:54:24 | * | gevaerts should soon have an X5L with an as-is disk :) |
| 17:54:50 | * | livingdaylight wonders about this inside 'as-is disc' joke :) |
| 17:55:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | livingdaylight: Don't ask, don't tell. |
| 17:55:16 | livingdaylight | petur: it is second hand X5 of course, but kept in immaculate condition it seems |
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| 17:56:41 | * | MarcGuay hopes hashbang isn't turned off by the anality (new word!) of the project. |
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| 18:21:58 | Plouj | hi |
| 18:22:20 | Plouj | what are the 3 newest players that rockbox supports? |
| 18:25:12 | LambdaCalculus37 | Check the front page: http://www.rockbox.org/ |
| 18:25:38 | * | gevaerts isn't good at this sort of exam questions ;) |
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| 18:43:57 | n1s | now what is the sim doing with 100% of the cputime on one core? |
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| 18:56:24 | Reptile211 | hey people yesterday i tried to reset my ipod mini by pressing the menu+select buttons and after the menu+play button and did not work |
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| 18:56:52 | Reptile211 | and what is happening is that it gives me a folder icon |
| 18:57:09 | Reptile211 | then resets gives message do not disconnect |
| 18:57:22 | Reptile211 | and loops like this all day |
| 18:57:25 | Reptile211 | any ideas |
| 18:58:02 | Reptile211 | im thinking the hard drive might of just gave up |
| 18:58:13 | Reptile211 | anyone? |
| 18:58:37 | Plouj | LambdaCalculus37: that lists more than three players |
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| 19:07:13 | pixelma | petur: is the "AGC clip time" shown in the recording screen too or just in the settings somewhere? |
| 19:07:34 | petur | just settings |
| 19:08:26 | pixelma | ok, thanks |
| 19:08:46 | petur | tried the recscreen already? |
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| 19:10:05 | pixelma | no, not yet |
| 19:10:25 | * | pixelma will start compiling |
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| 19:16:14 | pixelma | petur: and how is that "AGC" displayed in the recscreen - showing the chosen mode, something like "AGC: Live"? |
| 19:16:30 | petur | yes |
| 19:17:20 | pixelma | aha, so it would still be better to keep it short, even though not necessary but nicer to avoid much scrolling |
| 19:17:37 | petur | yes |
| 19:17:58 | petur | I shortened it in english.lang already |
| 19:19:43 | pixelma | that leaves me with the question how to do "translate" that into German, I already saw though that you didn't translate it in the Dutch language file... |
| 19:20:26 | petur | yeah, I didn't ;) |
| 19:21:05 | petur | I figured everybody should know AGC |
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| 21:13:29 | n1s | anyone against renaming the "Getting started" chapter of the manual to "Introduction"? |
| 21:14:25 | bluebrother | not me |
| 21:14:44 | * | gevaerts votes in favour |
| 21:15:09 | * | bluebrother wants the installation chapter to be rewritten ... but hasn't gotten around doing it himself |
| 21:15:34 | gevaerts | While you're at it, it says rockbox is "released under the GNU public license", without any mention of "general" |
| 21:15:38 | bluebrother | btw, did anyone try the rbutil binary I posted yesterday? I'd be intested in success stories ;-) |
| 21:15:51 | bluebrother | *interested |
| 21:15:56 | * | bluebrother can't type today |
| 21:16:02 | rasher | gevaerts: And without mention of "v2 or later" |
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| 21:16:33 | gevaerts | rasher: indeed, but I think that in the context of a welcome text, that's not too critical |
| 21:16:59 | rasher | I'm not sure licensing belongs in a welcome text at all, to be honest |
| 21:17:52 | * | gevaerts decides to stop reading. He keeps finding minor things he would like to see rephrased slightly |
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| 21:18:53 | gevaerts | It basically uses the license name to point out that this is Free Software. I think that's all right |
| 21:19:01 | n1s | gevaerts: if you start working on the manual you will soon learn to ignore such things :) |
| 21:19:12 | gevaerts | n1s: never! |
| 21:19:29 | n1s | ok, I'll add in a "general" in some place then :) |
| 21:20:20 | gevaerts | Tell me when you're done. Some of those minor things are really wrong... |
| 21:21:02 | * | bluebrother wonders why using m3u files for saving bookmarks would be slow |
| 21:21:03 | bluebrother | s/would/should/ |
| 21:21:25 | Bagder | because you can have very large playlists? |
| 21:21:53 | gevaerts | They're moderately free-form ascii, so you need a parser instead of just dumping the file into ram |
| 21:22:05 | bluebrother | sure, but you need to load the playlist anyway, don't you? |
| 21:22:21 | bluebrother | at least if you want to preserve the playlist, that is |
| 21:22:26 | n1s | gevaerts: ok, done! |
| 21:22:32 | Bagder | bluebrother: not when you save the resume point, no |
| 21:22:33 | * | gevaerts gets to work |
| 21:23:15 | bluebrother | but in that case you can't place a bookmark in a playlist, only in a file |
| 21:23:29 | Bagder | yes you can |
| 21:23:35 | Bagder | that's already how it works |
| 21:23:44 | bluebrother | even if that playlist is dynamic? |
| 21:23:45 | Bagder | but it doesn't mean you have to re-save the playlist |
| 21:24:09 | Bagder | a dynamic playlist in rockbox consists of two parts |
| 21:24:17 | Bagder | A) a fixed list B) modifications of that list |
| 21:24:33 | Bagder | so only B needs to be saved |
| 21:24:39 | Bagder | which can be nothing, or a lot |
| 21:25:05 | bluebrother | hmm. And what happens if that fixed part (be it a folder) changes between bookmark creation and usage? |
| 21:25:34 | gevaerts | IIRC that's when we get in trouble |
| 21:25:43 | Bagder | the resume point gets wrong |
| 21:25:59 | Bagder | like when you remove a file from the dir and then resumes |
| 21:26:11 | bluebrother | if we have a complete playlist (saving the bookmark takes some time anyway, doesn't it?) there is no problem |
| 21:26:22 | Bagder | correct |
| 21:26:30 | bluebrother | or maybe asked the other way round: what is a better way to fix this issue? |
| 21:26:33 | Bagder | but if you load a 20000 song playlist, it'll take a long time to save it |
| 21:27:15 | Bagder | I think perhaps we should deal with the in-ram case (dirplay) differently than when the playlist is loaded from a file |
| 21:27:20 | bluebrother | true, but is it really that likely someone using bookmarks also uses playlists of that size? |
| 21:27:34 | gevaerts | "``\playerman{} playback is currently |
| 21:27:51 | gevaerts | "``\playerman{} playback is currently unsupported''"... Does this make any sense? |
| 21:27:58 | Bagder | bluebrother: sure, I could very well be such a user |
| 21:28:07 | bluebrother | really? Oh. |
| 21:28:35 | * | bluebrother uses either bookmarks on folders or large playlists for parties etc. |
| 21:29:55 | bluebrother | don't forget that we also need a solution if the dynamic playlist comes from the database. Which means we would need to save the playlist in some form too |
| 21:30:00 | bluebrother | or is there a better way? |
| 21:30:49 | Bagder | what is the "automatic WPS screenshot utility" ? |
| 21:30:58 | Bagder | fs#9255 |
| 21:31:42 | bluebrother | no idea. But the wps editor isn't running on linux yet anyway |
| 21:32:52 | * | bluebrother is a bit annoyed by this windows-centric development |
| 21:33:09 | mcuelenaere | Bagder: that's something I made that could serve the future theme site |
| 21:33:42 | Bagder | mcuelenaere: ah, so it "simply" invokes the simulator and saves screenshots from it ? |
| 21:33:52 | mcuelenaere | yes, well not really invokes the simulator |
| 21:34:01 | mcuelenaere | it uses the WPS editor's source partly |
| 21:34:14 | mcuelenaere | so it's 'headless' and runs completely from a commandline |
| 21:34:23 | Bagder | ok, nice! |
| 21:34:24 | mcuelenaere | which is good for servers |
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| 21:34:58 | mcuelenaere | actually currently it works pretty decently |
| 21:35:03 | mcuelenaere | (thanks to krz) |
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| 21:40:50 | midgey | anyone good with makefiles that could help me with some stuff for my GSoC project? |
| 21:41:52 | Bagder | pick me pick me! |
| 21:42:00 | midgey | The first problem I'm working on is compiling multiple lang_*.c at once. Right now I manually have to add each one to the makefile |
| 21:42:11 | midgey | http://www.pastebin.ca/1170195 |
| 21:42:26 | midgey | starting around line 226 |
| 21:42:53 | midgey | i'd like a way to compile all lang*.c files in $(BUILDDIR)/lang/ automatically |
| 21:43:29 | gevaerts | You could do some globbing |
| 21:43:31 | midgey | (that's the makefile from /apps btw) |
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| 21:46:13 | Bagder | midgey: you could do a simple for loop for all the files matching lang_*.c |
| 21:47:25 | Bagder | like "for file in lang_*.c; do $(CC) $file ... done" |
| 21:47:38 | bluebrother | something like FILES=$(glob lang*) |
| 21:48:11 | Bagder | yes, if you rather do the glob in the make instead of the shell |
| 21:49:01 | bluebrother | and then there's some foreach construct in make |
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| 21:49:33 | Bagder | true |
| 21:49:41 | bluebrother | or, if you can build all files using a default rule, use them as prerequisite for your target |
| 21:50:45 | bluebrother | hmm, it seems you even can do a "print: *.c" |
| 21:50:49 | midgey | err.... which way is preferred? |
| 21:51:25 | bluebrother | I'd prefer using as much as possible in make itself, but this might be due to the fact that I was required to do some Makefile stuff on windows ... |
| 21:51:43 | bluebrother | (and it's _really_ annoying if you don't have a _proper_ shell. cmd.exe isn't one) |
| 21:52:05 | bluebrother | an, and it's $(wildcard *.c), not $(glob) |
| 21:53:16 | Bagder | midgey: pick the one you manage to get working! ;-) |
| 21:53:49 | Bagder | we depend on both shells and gnu make already so it doesn't really matter |
| 21:54:42 | bluebrother | true. As I said, just my perference :) |
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| 22:01:41 | midgey | so I've added "LANGS = $(wildcard $(BUILDDIR)/lang/lang*.c)" and now i'm a bit lost on the looping |
| 22:02:18 | midgey | i added "for file in $(LANGS); do $(CC) $(CFLAGS) -c $$file; done;" on line 228 |
| 22:04:36 | Bagder | and it doesn't work? |
| 22:04:55 | bluebrother | I'm missing the -o option to that CC call |
| 22:06:18 | midgey | nope, doesn't work |
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| 22:07:47 | midgey | hold on, i think I have another problem, i'll do a clean rebuild |
| 22:08:10 | Bagder | I think you may need a newline after do |
| 22:08:11 | gevaerts | bluebrother: the -c makes that unnecessary |
| 22:08:30 | bluebrother | I'd use something like http://www.pastebin.ca/1170244 |
| 22:08:37 | bluebrother | gevaerts: oh? Nice to know :) |
| 22:09:08 | bluebrother | I'd thought it will create an a.out.o or similar |
| 22:09:09 | Bagder | bluebrother: that works only if we can use the existing default target setup |
| 22:09:17 | Bagder | s/we/he |
| 22:09:47 | Bagder | but I guess he can |
| 22:09:52 | bluebrother | true, but can't he? |
| 22:09:53 | gevaerts | -c means just compiling, no linking, with the output name being the original name with .o instead of .c |
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| 22:16:24 | bertrik_ | Can someone with an HD based player test my battery bench patch a bit? |
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| 22:17:38 | bertrik_ | or better yet, a lot! :P It's at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9155 |
| 22:22:03 | midgey | so the makefile seems to work (i broke genlang...), but all the objects are placed in /apps instead of $(BUILDDIR)/lang |
| 22:23:22 | bluebrother | then you need to adjust the -o part of the compiling rule |
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| 22:25:19 | midgey | -o $$file.o outputs to lang_<user>.c.o, is there a way to strip the .c before adding the .o (regex?) |
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| 22:25:45 | rasher | midgey: `basename $$file .c`.o |
| 22:26:12 | rasher | Or maybe you can do it in the makefile, to produce less amounts of doom |
| 22:26:26 | robin0800 | bluebrother Are you sure you have the right Bootloader in RBUtil? |
| 22:27:28 | bluebrother | robin0800: there is no bootloader in rbutil. The bootloader is always retrieved from the download server |
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| 22:28:08 | midgey | rasher: this seems to work in the makefile: $(CC) $(CFLAGS) -c $$file -o $(BUILDDIR)/lang/`basename $$file .c`.o |
| 22:28:43 | robin0800 | Well has that been updated to work with 1.0.07 firmware? |
| 22:29:40 | midgey | now second makefile question, is it possible to link lang_<plugin>.o to a plugin if that file exists and not panic if it doesn't? |
| 22:30:14 | bluebrother | as far as I know only sansapatcher needed updating. Or has there been a change to the bootloader as well? |
| 22:30:19 | midgey | e.g. for blackjack, lang_blackjack.o exists so it should be linked, but for bubbles lang_bubbles.o does not exist so it should be skipped |
| 22:30:46 | midgey | right now I link lang_*.o to all plugins which is obviously no good |
| 22:32:55 | robin0800 | bluebrother, When I made My Sansapatcher I made the Two Bootloaders First So Perhaps The Have Changed? |
| 22:34:12 | bluebrother | robin0800: possible. Not really sure about this, but if an updated bootloader is needed a new release on the donwload server is needed |
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| 22:35:31 | bluebrother | midgey: not 100% sure but it could work using if ($findstring string,$(LANGS)) OBJS += string endif |
| 22:35:43 | bluebrother | (add linebreaks where necessary ;-) |
| 22:36:23 | bluebrother | it's possible that this gets evaluated only once, so you maybe need the eval function |
| 22:36:25 | robin0800 | bluebrother, The only change Ican think of was to change E200 to Read C200 |
| 22:36:52 | bluebrother | then it should work ... |
| 22:36:57 | * | bluebrother is puzzled |
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| 22:38:50 | pixelma | wasn't there a change to make something work with the 1.01.07 version of the c200 OF (by bertrik, I think?) |
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| 22:40:48 | bluebrother | IIRC that was only a change to sansapatcher to make it recognize that OF version |
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| 22:43:25 | Reptile211 | how would i know if i need a new hard drive for my ipod mini? |
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| 22:44:20 | bertrik_ | yes, only sansapatcher needed a change (a new mi4 key) to allow 1.01.07. Rbutil uses the core functions of sansapatcher so it works for rbutil too. |
| 22:44:48 | stripwax | revision 18265 diff looks wrong - shouldn't the line below also be changed? |
| 22:45:03 | stripwax | fresc_key_v1 |
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| 22:45:45 | Reptile211 | The cycle of apple logo and folder icon just reapeats. Could this mean there is a problem other than the hard drive since the display acts the same no matter if the hard drive is in or not? |
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| 22:47:32 | bertrik_ | robin0800, indeed there was also a fix for a bug in sansapatcher that made it write the wrong target id in a header during installation (it showed e200 on c200) |
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| 22:52:31 | Reptile211 | anyone? |
| 22:52:46 | mcuelenaere | amiconn: ping |
| 22:53:03 | gevaerts | Reptile211: have you tried getting it into emergency disk mode? |
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| 22:54:04 | poningru | hey guys is there a link of places where I can purchase old rockbox hackable pmps? |
| 22:54:07 | Reptile211 | yeah tried it did not work |
| 22:54:23 | Bagder | poningru: ebay |
| 22:54:32 | gevaerts | Reptile211: did not work in what way? |
| 22:54:42 | Bagder | or anywhere else that sells used daps basically |
| 22:54:50 | Reptile211 | emergency disk mode |
| 22:55:01 | poningru | Bagder, hehe |
| 22:55:28 | gevaerts | Reptile211: yes, that's what we were talking about. _how_ did it not work? Did it catch fire, reset, or explode, or what? |
| 22:56:49 | poningru | Bagder, I wished there was an rss feed of an ebay search with all the players that were compatible |
| 22:56:52 | poningru | sigh oh well |
| 22:57:01 | kugel | mcuelenaere: have you read what stripwax wrote 6 min before you ping'd amiconn? |
| 22:57:18 | Bagder | poningru: so there's something for you to make! |
| 22:57:41 | mcuelenaere | kugel: no missed that thx |
| 22:57:44 | gevaerts | poningru: good luck with that, the way people describe theyr players on ebay... |
| 22:57:46 | Reptile211 | it just kept going the the cycle of do not disconnect and then showing the folder icon |
| 22:58:08 | mcuelenaere | stripwax: will fix that |
| 22:58:14 | kugel | mcuelenaere: No problem :) |
| 22:58:44 | stripwax | :) |
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| 23:00:09 | gevaerts | Reptile211: if you have a compactflash card lying around, maybe try that. It's probably the easiest way to test if it's te disk |
| 23:00:16 | * | gevaerts needs typing lessons |
| 23:00:38 | Reptile211 | yeah im planning to do that |
| 23:00:43 | * | bluebrother hands gevaerts an h |
| 23:00:56 | Reptile211 | but just want to make sure that it is nothing else |
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| 23:01:11 | Reptile211 | before i go out and buy a cf card |
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| 23:01:44 | gevaerts | I can't think of anything. Of course it could be any loose contact. Maybe you could try borrowing a cf card from someone first, to make sure |
| 23:01:55 | desowin | rasher: regarding your comment for closing #9275 - the strings are the same in polski and english just because they're the same in both languages |
| 23:02:18 | gevaerts | Reptile211: if you have a usb card reader around, you could try accessing the disk through that. |
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| 23:03:09 | Reptile211 | yeah i do have a card reader |
| 23:03:14 | Reptile211 | im gonna try that |
| 23:04:14 | rasher | desowin: Hm, right. There are problems in the Voice strings though. |
| 23:04:58 | mcuelenaere | amiconn: ignore the ping, I fixed the issue |
| 23:05:16 | desowin | is rockbox voice build script compatible with any polish speaking system anyway? |
| 23:06:22 | rasher | desowin: If you have a polish TTS, I don't see why not |
| 23:06:25 | bertrik | desowin, why wouldn't it be? |
| 23:06:44 | bertrik | try espeak -vpl <some polish text> |
| 23:06:44 | desowin | well, only one I know about is ivona and it's not free and windows only |
| 23:07:31 | mcuelenaere | anyone know what's going wrong here? http://pastebin.com/d626b5d32 |
| 23:07:42 | robin0800 | bluebrother, Not that it helps, just made a second sansapatcher using the download files this also works |
| 23:08:08 | Bagder | mcuelenaere: you need to make libproxy.so found at run-time |
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| 23:08:22 | mcuelenaere | Bagder: well it's in the same directory |
| 23:08:23 | rasher | desowin: you can build voice files using SAPI |
| 23:08:33 | Bagder | mcuelenaere: same dir doesn't work on *nix |
| 23:08:44 | mcuelenaere | ahh ok, so what do I need to do? |
| 23:08:45 | bluebrother | export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:. |
| 23:08:49 | mcuelenaere | k |
| 23:08:59 | Bagder | or edit /etc/ld.so.conf |
| 23:09:11 | Bagder | or copy the .so to a dir that is already in the ld.so.conf file |
| 23:09:36 | bertrik | I need some advice regarding charging on c200 and e200, The problem is that both targets cannot really reliably indicate battery voltage when the charger is enabled and powermanagement relies on that. |
| 23:09:41 | * | bluebrother updates the wps editor and ignores heaps of warnings |
| 23:10:24 | bertrik | One thing I can do to measure battery voltage (and thereby charge progress) is to stop the charger for a moment to read the battery voltage, then resume charging again. |
| 23:10:44 | pixelma | desowin: still, I think it's good if a language would be prepared for building the .voice for it even if there was no TTS engine around currently. You can always build an english voice from english.lang and rename it to yourlang.voice |
| 23:10:57 | bluebrother | nice, now the library doesn't build for me at all :( |
| 23:11:28 | Bagder | bertrik: that sounds like a fair approach, as long as you don't to it too often |
| 23:11:30 | bertrik | Another way is to read a voltage whose voltage depends on the charge current. The charge current drops during charge and can also be used as a progress indicator I think |
| 23:11:31 | mcuelenaere | yeey /me got the WPS editor working on Linux |
| 23:11:47 | bluebrother | what did you change? Current svn doesn't even build anymore |
| 23:12:08 | gevaerts | bertrik: don't you risk reducing the battery lifetime by doing that sort of stop-start charging? |
| 23:12:26 | bertrik | gevaerts, I don't know, but I don't see why it would |
| 23:12:59 | gevaerts | I don't know either, but there is this thing about a limit on the number of charge cycles that you keep hearing about |
| 23:13:13 | * | bluebrother needs more time for Rockbox hacking |
| 23:13:26 | gevaerts | I don't know if that's true, or what constitutes a charge cycle anyway |
| 23:14:14 | rasher | gevaerts: I'd guess that's for full->empty charge cycles |
| 23:14:48 | mcuelenaere | bluebrother: I'll post a FS# later |
| 23:14:59 | mcuelenaere | it builds fine under windows btw |
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| 23:15:43 | bertrik | As far as I know both low and high voltages are bad for a Li battery and during charging you put a relatively high voltage on the battery |
| 23:16:07 | bertrik | besides, a Li battery loses capacity even if its not used as far as I've read |
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| 23:16:17 | robin0800 | bertrik, I would think to use voltage or current dependig which on is still useable as batteries age |
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| 23:19:27 | mcuelenaere | bluebrother: FS #9277 |
| 23:20:12 | mcuelenaere | I'm not sure about the QPropertyEditor dependency thingy though |
| 23:20:20 | mcuelenaere | perhaps this should be implemented differently |
| 23:20:47 | Davide-NYC | The iriver H120 bootloader does not support USB disk mode with CompactFlash cards. Can this be considered a bug? If so I'll post a bug report on the tracker. Otherwise what can be done? |
| 23:20:54 | petur | Bagder: is there something wrong with the build server of obo? |
| 23:21:34 | bertrik | I could make function battery_adc_voltage aware of whether it's charging or not and make it return a cached value (measured, say once a minute) when charging and a fresh measurements when not charging |
| 23:21:42 | * | Bagder checks |
| 23:21:44 | Davide-NYC | petur: Nice work on the WRS! Cheers! |
| 23:22:07 | Davide-NYC | .me addmittedly I haven't had time to really test it yet. |
| 23:22:40 | petur | Davide-NYC: when I get my CF card and adapter, Iĺl see if whe can have a new bootloader beta for h1x0 |
| 23:22:52 | * | bertrik checks out the WRS on his c200 |
| 23:22:59 | Bagder | is obo perhaps the first one using 4.3.1 to build sims? |
| 23:23:05 | Bagder | gcc that is |
| 23:23:16 | petur | Bagder: looks like it |
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| 23:24:56 | Bagder | it looks like legitmate warnings even |
| 23:25:20 | Bagder | or is ATTRIBUTE_PRINTF not defined for sim builds? |
| 23:26:21 | Bagder | it is |
| 23:26:54 | bluebrother | mcuelenaere: there are filename casing issues *again*? |
| 23:27:05 | mcuelenaere | jep.. |
| 23:27:07 | * | bertrik wonders why there are two peak meters |
| 23:27:13 | stripwax | Hmm, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodPatcher says the latest ipodpatcher is v1.0 with v1.1 bootloaders, but downloading the windows version it tells me v2.0 with v2.0 bootloaders. Do ipod bootloaders even have "a version" ? |
| 23:27:13 | * | bluebrother bangs head to wall |
| 23:27:47 | stripwax | And if I build my own bootloader, which "version" is it? |
| 23:28:44 | bluebrother | these heaps of warnings are also ... kinda cool |
| 23:28:54 | mcuelenaere | bluebrother: could you take a look on the QPropertyEditor change in gui.pro I made; are there better ways to do this or.. ? |
| 23:29:08 | mcuelenaere | seems rather hacky to me |
| 23:30:35 | bluebrother | the whole editor seems rather hacky to me :( |
| 23:30:58 | mcuelenaere | it just needs a cleanup I guess.. |
| 23:31:06 | bluebrother | cool, "Quit" from the menu doesn't work ... |
| 23:31:07 | mcuelenaere | especially proxy/*; that's really a mess |
| 23:31:23 | bluebrother | that naming is also quite bad. |
| 23:31:38 | * | mcuelenaere thinks krz needs SVN access so everybody can work on it |
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| 23:32:37 | * | bluebrother disagrees as long as the code has such obvious issues like filename casing |
| 23:32:38 | * | Bagder agrees |
| 23:33:05 | Bagder | well, his work would be in a separate dir anyway, won't it? |
| 23:33:07 | bluebrother | a repo for others to work on would be useful, though |
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| 23:33:24 | mcuelenaere | Bagder: right, mine is currently in utils/wps_editor |
| 23:33:43 | Bagder | exactly, so it wouldn't really hurt anyone even if mistakes are committed at times |
| 23:33:43 | bluebrother | besides, has he been around on irc recently? I haven't seen him around much |
| 23:33:54 | mcuelenaere | yes, but not all day |
| 23:34:06 | bluebrother | what's his usual online time? |
| 23:34:06 | stripwax | is gsoc fulltime or ... ? |
| 23:34:13 | bluebrother | stripwax: nah :P |
| 23:34:17 | mcuelenaere | he's usually reachable at email |
| 23:34:27 | mcuelenaere | I emailed him after he went off on IRC and he responded |
| 23:34:30 | Bagder | it is supposed to be full time or at least almost full time |
| 23:34:52 | stripwax | right.. |
| 23:34:58 | bluebrother | well, dev talk happens here, does it? So why do we need to contact him via mail? |
| 23:35:24 | bluebrother | he also cuts himself from loads of potentially helpful guys ... |
| 23:35:26 | mcuelenaere | I just contacted him to get feedback, I even recall myself saying him he should go on IRC |
| 23:35:38 | mcuelenaere | but that was some time ago |
| 23:36:19 | bluebrother | mcuelenaere: about the project file question, IMO those two side projects should go in folders that are parallel and the top level folder should use the subdirs template |
| 23:36:34 | mcuelenaere | hmm a bit like rbutil currently does? |
| 23:36:58 | bluebrother | yes, but there is only one subdir in that case ;-) |
| 23:37:09 | mcuelenaere | yeah ok |
| 23:37:30 | bluebrother | I also really don't understand why this proxy thing has to have its own Makefile. It should use a pro file too |
| 23:37:48 | mcuelenaere | that's because it's based on checkwps I guess |
| 23:37:52 | bluebrother | so there are three "subprojects": gui, propertyeditor and proxy |
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| 23:38:19 | bluebrother | thought of that myself, but adjusting it should be doable. Especially if a student is working full time on it ... |
| 23:38:50 | * | bluebrother is a *bit* annoyed by his communication with the community |
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| 23:39:17 | * | bluebrother feels like getting a grumpy old man. Greets to all grumpy old men! :) |
| 23:39:22 | * | Bagder did a "guidance commit" |
| 23:39:45 | bluebrother | guidance commit? |
| 23:39:59 | Bagder | there are ~130 warnings/flaws to fix |
| 23:40:23 | Bagder | I fixed 3 of them ;-) |
| 23:40:45 | Bagder | see the build table! |
| 23:41:09 | bluebrother | I'm still wondering how the switching between targets for the editor should work ... |
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| 23:41:43 | mcuelenaere | bluebrother: I think the WPS screenshot principle should be used |
| 23:41:45 | bluebrother | ah, now I see. |
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| 23:42:08 | pixelma | Bagder: but you got more points! ;) |
| 23:42:36 | Bagder | that's not my commit showing |
| 23:42:54 | Bagder | mine seems to have been unnoticed |
| 23:44:08 | midgey | why is "ifeq ($(findstring $(BUILDDIR)/lang/lang_$*.o,$(LANGS)),$(BUILDDIR)/lang/lang_$*.o)" always false? |
| 23:44:12 | bluebrother | Bagder: the error logs show broken characters for me −− my browser seems to default to latin1 but the page is utf-8 |
| 23:44:35 | Bagder | yes, we should make those builds use "LANG=C make" or similar... |
| 23:44:43 | bluebrother | midgey: this $* looks strange ... |
| 23:45:05 | mcuelenaere | bluebrother: krz was here from around 10h till 17h |
| 23:45:08 | bluebrother | or make all pages use utf-8. I think consequently going utf-8 would be a good idea anyway |
| 23:45:16 | mcuelenaere | (log time) |
| 23:45:28 | bluebrother | mcuelenaere: ok, that's completely overlapping with my working hours :/ |
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| 23:45:59 | midgey | bluebrother: according to http://www.hsrl.rutgers.edu/ug/make_help.html $* is a special macro |
| 23:46:14 | midgey | echo $(BUILDDIR)/lang/lang_$*.o seems to work fine |
| 23:46:41 | bertrik | argh, do we really need the %s in printf everywhere ? |
| 23:47:30 | Bagder | bertrik: well, those are all bugs waiting to happen right now |
| 23:47:37 | bluebrother | midgey: interesting. Wasn't aware of that |
| 23:47:54 | bertrik | Bagder, it's only really a problem if the string contains a %, right? |
| 23:48:16 | Bagder | yes, but many of those strings are dynamic so they can get a % letter pretty easily |
| 23:48:35 | Bagder | like from a translation |
| 23:48:39 | rasher | Or tags |
| 23:49:01 | bluebrother | should the %s expansion expand % at all? |
| 23:49:10 | bertrik | and won't this lead to an enormous binsize increase? |
| 23:49:21 | Bagder | bluebrother: no, %s strings don't expand anything |
| 23:49:43 | bluebrother | then I'm failing to see the problem |
| 23:49:52 | Bagder | bluebrother: these cases don't have %s at all |
| 23:50:12 | Bagder | just printf(string) |
| 23:50:18 | bluebrother | midgey: I'd try to use findstring without those paths. |
| 23:50:35 | bluebrother | ah, now I get it |
| 23:50:46 | bertrik | I do prefer correctness over binsize though |
| 23:51:00 | Bagder | me too |
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| 23:51:29 | rasher | I should think gcc will optimise printf("%s", foo) to be exactly the same, or at least close to printf(foo) |
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| 23:51:59 | Bagder | it would be interesting to test that |
| 23:52:08 | bluebrother | isn't there a puts() function for that? |
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| 23:52:23 | Bagder | printf-style functions surely |
| 23:52:39 | teddy__ | Hi. Im getting a sandisk sansa e200 soon, and wondered this. If i install rockbox is it going to use my batteryt oo fast, and ultimately cause me to need a replacement? |
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| 23:52:58 | Bagder | teddy__: no |
| 23:53:13 | teddy__ | oh sry... is this a developer channel? |
| 23:53:16 | teddy__ | should have read lol |
| 23:53:35 | bertrik | I've seen gcc substitute printf by puts indeed, but I don't know if this happens in rockbox too, |
| 23:53:36 | bluebrother | please check the FAQ ... |
| 23:53:49 | | Join wpyh [0] (n=william@203.118.14.76) |
| 23:54:02 | bluebrother | does Rockbox have a puts()? Shouldn't that get used rather than printf(string)? |
| 23:54:12 | Bagder | but the problem is not with printf |
| 23:54:16 | Bagder | just printf style functions |
| 23:54:24 | Bagder | like gui_syncsplash |
| 23:54:32 | bluebrother | ouch ... |
| 23:54:35 | rasher | bluebrother: But the use is often through eg. gui_syncsplash, which sometimes *does* take actual format strings |
| 23:54:49 | | Quit teddy__ (Client Quit) |
| 23:55:02 | bluebrother | ok, seems I still haven't got the real issue before. |
| 23:55:03 | Bagder | that function is marked print style by the use of a __attribute__() thing |
| 23:55:05 | * | bluebrother feeels stupid |
| 23:55:07 | Bagder | printf |
| 23:55:12 | wpyh | mcuelenaere: I based hxf2ihfs on 1) reading hxfsplit, and 2) reverse engineering |
| 23:55:13 | midgey | bluebrother: ifneq ($(strip findstring $(BUILDDIR)/lang/lang_$*.o,$(LANGS)),) seems to work |
| 23:55:40 | * | mcuelenaere wonders why he asked wpyh that question |
| 23:55:51 | wpyh | mcuelenaere: do you happen to know how to calculate the checksum fields in the HXF file? |
| 23:55:56 | * | wpyh wonders too |
| 23:55:57 | mcuelenaere | yes I think so |
| 23:56:02 | bluebrother | midgey: did you forget $( in front of findstring? |
| 23:56:03 | mcuelenaere | or at least I did |
| 23:56:22 | mcuelenaere | wpyh: tomac documented it |
| 23:56:27 | mcuelenaere | just a sec |
| 23:56:29 | wpyh | hm... |
| 23:56:52 | wpyh | ah, is it on the ChinaChip wiki page? |
| 23:57:01 | Bagder | ok, so 6 bytes binsize increase in average per fix |
| 23:57:16 | mcuelenaere | wpyh: yes it is :-) |
| 23:57:22 | Bagder | not very scientific, but still |
| 23:57:27 | wpyh | thanks :) |
| 23:57:27 | mcuelenaere | I forgot I put it there :S |
| 23:58:01 | * | wpyh needs to read more before talking |
| 23:58:25 | mcuelenaere | wpyh: btw, had any chance contacting your ex-ingenic employee friend? |
| 23:58:37 | midgey | bluebrother: looks like i did, and that doesn't actually work |
| 23:58:55 | | Quit einhirn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 23:58:58 | midgey | i'm going to tackle this anew once I eat |
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