#rockbox 2008-08-14

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#rockbox log for 2008-08-14

00:00:08	mcuelenaere	see if he can get his hands on something or if he knows something
00:00:23	mcuelenaere	btw the virtualmips guy mailed back and recommended the Ingenic docs
00:00:37	mcuelenaere	but he didn't said anything about getting them except by mailing Ingenic :(
00:00:49	mcuelenaere	(and I did that already several times in the past)
00:00:52	wpyh	so he's got the docs?
00:00:58	mcuelenaere	I don't know, I suspect so
00:01:11	wpyh	well, maybe the pasen guy may have a better chance of getting the docs...
00:01:33	mcuelenaere	wpyh: http://pastebin.com/d4e431503
00:01:47	mcuelenaere	wpyh: yeah, but he seems pretty silent for now
00:01:55	mcuelenaere	he shows up from time to time, but not really much
00:02:04	mcuelenaere	s/for now/atm/
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00:03:03	wpyh	yeah
00:03:11	mcuelenaere	wpyh: ah yes perhaps I should also add this: http://pastebin.com/d25186fb3
00:03:20	wpyh	hm... seems like the virtualmips guy doesn't have the register docs either..
00:03:44	mcuelenaere	I don't really get what he's trying to say with "God damn the NDA"
00:04:05	wpyh	hm...
00:04:10	wpyh	that's interesting
00:04:28	wpyh	(conspiracy theories abound in my mind, but that's probably best saved for -community)
00:04:38	mcuelenaere	:)
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00:06:40	wpyh	mcuelenaere: the checksums in 5.bin and onda.bin still puzzles me
00:06:58	mcuelenaere	the one that only appears in the vx767.
00:07:00	mcuelenaere	?*
00:07:14	wpyh	yes, that one
00:07:31	mcuelenaere	does it block you from uploading custom code?
00:07:51	wpyh	it's basically <total file size><checksum><dl file size><dl file padded to 65524><original 5.bin>
00:08:34	wpyh	uh, no
00:08:46	wpyh	I haven't tried uploading custom code
00:08:49	mcuelenaere	:)
00:09:12	mcuelenaere	have you found the LCD init routine?
00:09:26	wpyh	I'm still trying to write a script or utility to take the restore program and the HXF file, then restore the device
00:09:29	wpyh	nope..
00:09:47	wpyh	hm... maybe my approach is a little different? :)
00:09:52	mcuelenaere	it seems so :)
00:10:05	mcuelenaere	you really want to be sure that you'll be able to recover your device :)
00:10:19	wpyh	um, not that...
00:10:42	wpyh	I actually want to have an easily accessible linux or at least open-source replacement for the restore program
00:10:50	wpyh	then try to work from there :D
00:10:54	mcuelenaere	ah ok :)
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00:11:08	mcuelenaere	well my main environment is Windows so..
00:11:27	mcuelenaere	but normally the restore program should never be used
00:11:41	mcuelenaere	because currently everything is run from cache/SDRAM
00:11:45	mcuelenaere	runned*
00:12:03	wpyh	yeah, and mine is linux :P so... IIRC there's some code in IHFSsplit.c that I made specially for linux −− the one converting \ to / :p and I think I forgot to enclose it in #ifdef's....
00:12:48	wpyh	mcuelenaere: well, I think the restore program is basically running code that restores the device, so if we can get it right, it would be very easy to start from scratch and run custom code
00:13:48	wpyh	by starting from scratch, I mean starting from the original restore .exe and .dl files, and the appropriate script/program, and be able to extract the bin files, and send the appropriate data over to the device
00:14:08	wpyh	(like having the "source" to the program) :p
00:14:14	mcuelenaere	:)
00:14:45	mcuelenaere	yes but what those first data files (1.bin till ~5, 6.bin) do is just almost straight from Ingenic
00:14:50	mcuelenaere	with some minor customisations
00:14:59	wpyh	well, you're right :)
00:15:01	mcuelenaere	like initing SDRAM, checking NAND flash etc
00:15:17	mcuelenaere	and because the main bootloader (not ours, ChinaChip's) will be doing the same thing
00:15:31	mcuelenaere	(and we won't be changing that one)
00:15:39	mcuelenaere	we don't really need to care about those steps
00:15:42	mcuelenaere	IMO
00:16:02	*	wpyh is a bit perfectionist :p
00:16:32	*	wpyh wants to emulate the original software first, although this approach makes it longer...
00:16:33	wpyh	:p
00:17:02	mcuelenaere	wpyh: I know how it's like when you really want to do something, so I'll stop trying to convice you :)
00:17:10	mcuelenaere	convince*
00:17:29	wpyh	mcuelenaere: well... I probably don't have the skills to do the hardware hacking either :p
00:17:37	*	wpyh usually just modifies others' code :P
00:17:53	wpyh	btw, I still can't get the checksum to calculate correctly..
00:18:20	mcuelenaere	well in this case we have the advantage of having "others' code" (Ingenic) :)
00:18:30	wpyh	yeah :p
00:18:39	mcuelenaere	wpyh: hmm what's your C implementation? (checksum algorithm)
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00:19:11	mcuelenaere	I think I checked the checksum in a 010 Editor script, but not yet in a C app
00:19:47	wpyh	here: http://pastebin.ca/1170443
00:20:16	wpyh	it's basically just a reimplementation of the algorithm in the ChinaChip wiki page
00:20:43	mcuelenaere	wpyh: you forgot the FSeek(0x40);
00:21:33	mcuelenaere	wpyh: BTW 010 editor just gave me the correct checksum
00:21:43	mcuelenaere	so that template should work
00:21:48	wpyh	oh, you mean for the HXF file?
00:21:55	mcuelenaere	yes
00:22:09	wpyh	yes, I got it, but it didn't work for the checksum in 5.bin, which is (I think) for the dl file
00:22:19	mcuelenaere	ahh ok
00:22:30	wpyh	maybe there's another algorithm... hm...
00:22:32	mcuelenaere	what value does it have (5.bin)?
00:22:56	wpyh	it's interestingly similar: 0x0014d94e
00:23:10	wpyh	while the HXF file gets 0x014de49d
00:23:48	wpyh	(not that they should be connected)
00:24:59	mcuelenaere	bah I lost my IDA CCPMP plugin loader
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00:30:19	wpyh	mcuelenaere: I'll continue later :)
00:30:25	mcuelenaere	k
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00:30:48	bertrik	hmm weird, I just got a database refresh in the OF
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03:15:00	Llorean	How do we feel about people hosting files on our wiki but directly linking them from our own sites? Like an external WPS gallery that's just links to files in our wps gallery and images from ours?
03:15:24	Llorean	their own sites
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03:16:05	delt_insomnia	Hello everyone
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03:16:10	delt	oops
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03:16:25	delt	(i suffer from a bad case of sleep disorders)
03:16:42	Llorean	delt: This is an on-topic channel. Did you have a question?
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03:17:02	delt	Yeah, the wiki page said i have to come here and ask for write permissions
03:17:16	delt	i would like to add the battery benchmarks to it
03:17:20	Llorean	Alright, what's your wiki name?
03:17:25	delt	RicTremblay
03:17:44	delt	the form doesn't accept letter with accents
03:18:03	delt	and my first name is �ric, NOT Eric
03:18:41	delt	friends mostly call me "rick" anyway
03:19:48	Llorean	Have you actually created the RicTremblay user account?
03:20:35	delt	yep. just clicked on the activation link in my e-mail about 10 seconds ago.
03:20:51	delt	ie. right after i joined this channel
03:20:55	Llorean	Ah, that would be why it wasn't showing as existing when I was adding you.
03:21:14	Llorean	And you joined the channel 5 minutes ago, not 10 seconds ago...
03:21:17	delt	sais "PaulLouden is editing RicTremblay"
03:21:25	delt	s/sais/says/
03:21:31	Llorean	That was me checking to see if you existed and the page wasn't there.
03:21:39	delt	ok, try again?
03:21:50	Llorean	Yeah, you're added now.
03:22:08	Llorean	Be sure to give your files unique names
03:22:21	Llorean	It's possible to overwrite others' files, and likely if you don't change the bench's name.
03:22:21	delt	unique as in, all my files have different names,
03:22:28	delt	or all files on the whole wiki?
03:22:34	Llorean	The whole page.
03:22:40	delt	ok.
03:23:06	delt	so if i prefix them with "delt_" that should do it?
03:23:28	Llorean	I don't know what the ones on the page are already named.
03:23:35	Llorean	I would assume so, but you shouldn't make assumptions.
03:23:44	delt	ok.
03:24:53	delt	How do i −−-> (Suggestion: How about uploading your picture to your topic?)
03:25:10	delt	(sorry i'm a newbie when it comes to wiki sites)
03:25:43	delt	btw rockbox..uh, rocks :D
03:25:45	Llorean	I don't understand your question at all.
03:25:57	Llorean	But really, there's a ton of documentation on how to use TWiki on the internet.
03:26:00	delt	the site suggests i add a picture to my profile
03:26:17	delt	ah ok then
03:28:18	delt	i'll probably need to read it to know how to add my battery benchmarks anyway
03:28:21	delt	... ok, thanks!
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05:43:22	webguest78	how do i add games to an ipod nano
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05:46:09	num1	he left 40 secs after asking?
05:47:08	Llorean	This is not unusual.
05:47:10	iamben	so... rockbox working w/ these fancy docking stations for sansa or ipod... really hard to implement, or just not been done yet?
05:47:33	Llorean	iamben: They tend to have communication protocols that need to be reverse engineered by people with the hardware.
05:47:37	Galois	it depends on what kind of docking station
05:47:39	Llorean	There's been work on it for iPods and it's in flyspray
05:47:51	Llorean	But nobody's done any work with the Sandisks.
05:48:14	iamben	k thanks
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05:48:47	iamben	luckily the audio is just piped through, and volume is done on the dock, so the only thing im missing is "next song" =)
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07:43:33	amiconn	umm
07:43:56	*	amiconn hates those nasty surprises coming with almost every new major gcc release
07:44:12	B4gder	I don't think this is a gcc surprise though
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07:44:25	B4gder	but rather a rockbox surprise
07:44:47	amiconn	Why shouldn't it be allowed to pass the string directly if there are no actual formatttings to do?
07:45:18	B4gder	it is a warning
07:45:27	B4gder	because it is a potential problem
07:45:42	B4gder	and in our case, a very legitimate one imo
07:45:52	amiconn	Why is it a potential problem?
07:46:10	B4gder	because most of those strings could easily get a % somewhere
07:46:21	amiconn	Imo it's a legitimate optimisation
07:47:07	B4gder	I disagree
07:47:23	B4gder	users can easily mess those up
07:48:30	amiconn	Just the 2 occurences you fixed increased binsize by ~16 bytes. And there are >100 more...
07:48:43	B4gder	I know, but again that's our fault
07:49:19	amiconn	In some cases it's even necessary that the format string isn't a literal
07:49:32	B4gder	exactly
07:50:07	Llorean	B4gder: How do we feel about people hosting files on our wiki but directly linking them from their own sites? Like an external WPS gallery that's just links to files in our wps gallery and images from ours?
07:51:20	B4gder	I would find it a bit disappointing and error-prone to future changes, but I don't think we should care a lot more than so
07:52:08	amiconn	There are places where you can't fix the warning although it cannot cause any problems
07:52:32	amiconn	There seem to be a lot of mails regarding this in the gcc mailing list
07:52:44	B4gder	that doesn't surprise me!
07:53:23	amiconn	E.g. if you have a printf-style function that just passes the printf-style arguments through, you cannot fix the warning
07:53:51	B4gder	just passing through?
07:53:59	amiconn	yes
07:54:05	B4gder	then you'd do a vprintf() in the second one right?
07:54:13	amiconn	yes
07:54:20	amiconn	And that also causes the warning iiuc
07:54:23	B4gder	does that use the same __attribute__ ?
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07:54:36	B4gder	ok
07:54:47	amiconn	E.g. http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-bugs/1999-10/msg00255.html
07:55:03	amiconn	Hmm, that's an oold mail as I see now
07:55:15	amiconn	Perhaps the new implementation is different
07:56:44	*	amiconn would probably just disable that warning for rockbox
07:57:07	B4gder	I think we should fix a lot, if not most, of them
07:57:26	B4gder	I don't like how these are bugs waiting to blow
07:57:39	amiconn	I can see what problem they're trying to point out, but I don't think it's a problem in rockbox
07:58:17	B4gder	a single translation can cause a rather obscure bug
07:58:23	amiconn	B4gder: You cannot fix all of them, e.g. some .lang strings are actual format strings
07:58:41	amiconn	And they need to be
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08:00:13	amiconn	Maybe the warning doesn't appear when there are actual format arguments?
08:01:32	amiconn	(one could think so due to the wording)
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08:17:27	amiconn	B4gder: Some of these occurences can even be fixed by simplification, e.g. the one in codecs.c
08:18:43	amiconn	Looks like whoever wrote that didn't know splash() is printf style
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08:31:57	lee321987	hello?
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08:32:43	lee321987	hello?
08:34:13	lee321987	hello?
08:34:23	advcomp2019	lee321987, hello
08:34:41	advcomp2019	lee321987, just say what you need
08:35:39	danderson	"State your species and purpose"
08:35:53	GodEater	"you will be assimilated"
08:35:59	lee321987	Hi. (I know almost nothing about C) can anyone tell me what file contains the word written before the current filename in the While Recording Screen? (right now it's "Filename:")
08:36:52	lee321987	I'd like to shorten it, so I can see the whole name without scrolling.
08:37:31	lee321987	If there's anything wrong with me asking this here please tell me.
08:37:50	amiconn	You don't need to know C at all for this, 'cause this is a .lang string
08:38:06	lee321987	in the "lang.c" file?
08:38:28	amiconn	You need a build environment though. Change the string in english.lang and build rockbox
08:38:49	lee321987	<−− using Cygwin
08:39:20	amiconn	B4gder: Hmm, why does my box not show those warnings? It's debian unstable, and 'gcc -v' tells me it's 4.3.1 ...
08:39:30	B4gder	I don't know
08:39:46	lee321987	will give a go...Thank you Amiconn.
08:40:04	B4gder	oh right, I use 4.3.1 as well
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08:52:38	bertrik	my idea for getting the c200 battery voltage during charging by momentarily turning the charger off failed, the voltage that is read back is still bogus even with the charger off
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08:53:46	Llorean	It's not terribly important that we provide charging status beyond "charging" and "full" though, anyway, is it?
08:54:15	Llorean	Knowing how long is left doesn't make it finish any sooner anyway. ;)
08:54:27	bertrik	no, not very important, but it would be nice.
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08:58:51	bertrik	I think I can measure the charge current though, profile how it changes during a full charge and create a current vs. percent complete charge curve (much like how there is now a voltage vs. percent complete charge curve)
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09:02:50	lee321987	Hello again. OK - I got the string "Filename:" off of my While Recording Screen. How can I remove the path from the displayed current recording's name?
09:02:56	bertrik	powermanagement relies entirely on the battery voltage reported by the target to calculate charge and discharge progress
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09:07:10	petur	lee321987: do a reverse search on '/' on the whole path and pass that location to the buffer
09:08:27	lee321987	I don't understand any part of that.
09:09:30	lee321987	I'm using Cygwin, but I know almost nothing about C.
09:10:41	petur	you removed the filename part by editing the lang file, then?
09:10:50	lee321987	yeah
09:11:13	petur	I might remove the path in the normal build, it is indeed a bit long...
09:11:48	lee321987	what file must I alter?
09:12:10	petur	apps/recorder/recording.c
09:12:23	amiconn	petur: The filename is worth almost nothing without the path...
09:12:44	petur	in the past we only showed the 12 last chars
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09:12:58	lee321987	I"m using a c250, and if I can get the path out I may be able to avoid scrolling.
09:13:12	lee321987	yeah, the last 12 would work too.
09:13:30	amiconn	If I just know the filename, I don't know where to look for that file if I forgot what I set the recording dir to.
09:13:37	petur	lee321987: search for 'case ITEM_FILENAME'
09:13:48	*	petur on the phone
09:14:00	lee321987	<−−- looking at recording .c...
09:14:05	amiconn	The filename itself though can be derived from the date and time on rtc targets
09:14:41	lee321987	is that "real time clock"?
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09:19:13	lee321987	I found 'case ITEM_FILENAME'. I'm guessing i need to change something in one/both of the lines that have 'path_buffer' in them...?
09:20:41	petur	yups
09:22:30	lee321987	ok...change 'path_buffer' to 'buffer'?
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09:25:07	GodEater	lee321987: hahahah - no, it's not quite that simple ;)
09:25:36	lee321987	lol. Didn't think so.
09:27:30	lee321987	how about in this line −−−− snprintf(buffer, buffer_len, "%s %s" −−−− I remove 'buffer' and it's '%s'?
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09:31:05	lee321987	I read Kernighan & Ritchie for about an hour nearly 3 months ago. That's about it for my knowledge of C.
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09:35:15	GodEater	lee321987: hang on - I'm downloading the latest source now - I'll have a look
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09:36:03	lee321987	ok.
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09:39:03	lee321987	'case_ITEM_FILENAME' is 24 lines long. Would it be ok to paste it here?
09:39:09	B4gder	no
09:39:19	lee321987	that's why I checked
09:39:19	GodEater	it doesn't need pasting here anyway - we all have it
09:39:22	B4gder	see the guidelines in the topic
09:39:41	lee321987	sorry
09:40:50	GodEater	if you feel you have to paste anything, use a pastebin (pastebin.ca for preference)
09:42:36	lee321987	earlier in 'recording.c' is this line −−−− static char path_buffer[MAX_PATH]; −−−− could I just replace 'MAX_PATH' with 0?
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09:46:19	B4gder	lee321987: to accomplish what?
09:46:42	B4gder	MAX_PATH is the size of the array in that line, making the array 0 entries big makes little sense
09:47:01	lee321987	get the path part of my current recording to not be displayed
09:47:36	lee321987	an array. Ok
09:47:41	B4gder	if the current code doesn't cut off the path part, you need to add code that does so
09:49:58	lee321987	GodEater −− recording.c −− http://pastebin.ca/1171148
09:50:34	GodEater	er thanks - but I already have it
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09:52:38	GodEater	lee321987: are you registered with nickserv on freenode ?
09:53:12	lee321987	sorry, just noticed.
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10:07:08	linuxstb	lee321987: The C function "strrchr" is your friend there.
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10:44:40	n1s	ooh, badness changing gui_syncsplash(HZ, ID2P(LANG_FOO)); into gui_syncsplash(HZ, "%s", ID2P(LANG_FOO)); breaks voicing of that splash...
10:46:17	n1s	a wrapper function could fix that of course... but would people know which to use?
10:48:21	B4gder	oooo
10:48:40	B4gder	tricky
10:49:36	B4gder	but possibly a second function for that would make it more obvious
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10:51:02	n1s	suggestions for a function name? i can only come up with really long ones
10:54:36	*	amiconn suggests having 2 splash functions, one with printf functionality and one without
10:54:45	B4gder	exactly
10:54:52	amiconn	The former would be a wrapper around the latter
10:56:28	n1s	yes, my thought exactly, and the non-printf version could retain the voice capabilities of the current svn version
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10:59:23	amiconn	Make [sync]splash() non-printf, and add [sync]splashf() ?
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11:00:42	n1s	sounds like a plan! /me will try to get to it later
11:02:30	*	JdGordon votes against that
11:03:12	JdGordon	gui_sync should be removed from the name, but one function is enough... having 2 is more confusing and just plain annoying
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11:10:32	n1s	JdGordon: we already have gui_splash and gui_syncsplash, do you propose to remove the former and call the latter just "splash" ?
11:11:07	JdGordon	yes
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11:12:13	n1s	and how could we retain the voicing and printf-style (like today) while avoiding the warnings without making two functions?
11:15:08	JdGordon	well... im in favour of ignoring the issue completly.. but if its really a big deal we could check if the fomatter is only "%s" and if it is talk the first arg?
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11:16:52	petur	yuck
11:16:57	n1s	ah, didn't think of that
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11:20:57	JdGordon	and if we must have 2 functions I would think splash() should just be a #define splash(s) splashf("%s", s) anyway
11:21:29	B4gder	but that kills the voicing...
11:22:02	JdGordon	not if you do that nasty hack above...
11:22:17	B4gder	true
11:23:22	*	amiconn would prefer having 2 functions over a nasty hack
11:23:28	B4gder	me too
11:23:42	*	petur hates nasty hacks
11:24:40	JdGordon	hang on.. even with 2 functions, how are you going to voice the splash?
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11:25:32	amiconn	The same way like it's done now
11:26:09	amiconn	In splash() only, not in splashf(), of course
11:26:56	JdGordon	if its not being voiced is it really needed?
11:30:47	JdGordon	about the only splash I cant tihnk of that would actually need formatting is the "database is rebuilding..." one
11:33:18	JdGordon	there is only about a dozen calls which need formatting... I'd be more inclined to change splash so its not formatible...
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11:35:02	JdGordon	and force any screens which really need to format to use something else and voice manually
11:36:11	amiconn	Formatted splashes aren't voiced. And that "something else" would be the suggested splashf()
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11:38:11	JdGordon	splashes should be used as a notice, so if it needs to be formatted it should be voiced
11:38:33	amiconn	??
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11:39:56	JdGordon	Whats the point of showing the splash if people who arent looking at the screen wont know about it?
11:40:19	amiconn	That has nothing to do with the current problem
11:40:58	amiconn	gui_syncsplash() doesn't voice the splash if the formatting capability is used. So if such splashes are voiced now, they're already doing this manually
11:41:38	JdGordon	in that case, why not remove the printf ability from splash and force callers to use snprintf() because splashing?
11:42:18	amiconn	If each caller would do that individually, it'd increase binsize more than having a wrapper
11:43:25	JdGordon	95% of splash calls dont need the formatter, the other 5% should be checed to see if they are even needed/ could be done better
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11:45:32	JdGordon	anyway.. thats my argument... I'll live with whatever happens (most likely nothing because we are all too lazy to do anything about it :D )
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11:49:39	JdGordon	I'm guessing noone looked at the patch yet?
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12:48:24	vijay	hello
12:49:11	vijay	Need some help !
12:49:30	B4gder	so ask
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12:51:00	vijay2	Hi there. I am using Sansa E200 with Rockbox.
12:51:11	vijay2	Im IT student , decided to contribute to the development of rockbox for my sansa.
12:51:21	vijay2	I read thro FAQ.. Installed Cygwin. OK.
12:51:36	vijay2	When i try to Select the Rockbox mirror site and install http://download.rockbox.org/cygwin..
12:51:44	vijay2	I get message: "Unable to get http://download.rockbox.org/cygwin//setup.ini.sig "
12:51:55	vijay2	On proceeding , I get Package selection dialog, but These packages are missing
12:52:03	vijay2	* Devel - sdl (for the uisimulator) * Devel - m68k-elf-binutils * Devel - m68k-elf-gcc * Devel - sh-elf-binutils * Devel - sh-elf-gcc * Devel - arm-elf-binutils * Devel - arm-elf-gcc
12:52:12	vijay2	In FAQ it is mentioned that above packages are important So how to proceed?
12:52:32	vijay2	If i have left any info .. ask me..
12:52:41	B4gder	this is a known problem atm
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12:53:56	B4gder	it seems one work-around is to use an older setup program
12:54:02	B4gder	see http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=18136.0
12:55:12	vijay2	im seeing the link
12:55:43	*	JdGordon is getting frustrated with bookmarks
12:56:44	B4gder	vijay2: you can also run setup -X
12:59:41	vijay2	ok
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13:02:34	vijay2	Installation is smooth.. Thanks
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14:00:47	rt_c150	can anyone help me recover a dead sansa c150
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14:04:40	pixelma	I doubt that there are people around here who know about recovery of a c150, it would also be off-topic
14:07:00	n1s	hmm, re removing gui_splash, it is used in two places, one is no problem to convert to the syncsplash but the other is used to splash LANG_REMOTE_LCD_OFF in recording.c i don't quite get what that code is supposed to do or if it would be bad to splash it on both lcd's?
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14:08:33	rt_c150	pixelma−−> thanks... my intention is to upgrade the firmware if there is a rockbox port available for it !
14:09:13	gevaerts	rt_c150: as I understand it, one of the missing pieces for a rockbox port is information on how to recover if something goes wrong...
14:09:50	GodEater	i.e. there is no port of Rockbox for it
14:11:38	n1s	petur: any advice about the LANG_REMOTE_LCD_OFF thing (5 min ago)?
14:11:58	*	petur reads
14:12:01	pixelma	rt_c150: there is an effort (but done by only one person as far as I know) so it's slow. Most of the info could be found in the forum thread in the new ports forum, I think
14:12:41	petur	nls: it is used to show the splash only on the remote
14:13:07	petur	I guess it could be replaced with simple text printing
14:13:07	n1s	petur: ah, before turning off the remote lcd?
14:13:13	petur	yes
14:13:46	*	petur thought he had already changed it to a simple puts
14:14:12	rt_c150	pixelma: thanks for the info.. i was quite happy with the rockbox port for the e250.. this one is given to me for repair :-)
14:14:52	petur	nls: just remove the splash from recording.c
14:15:09	n1s	petur: ok, will do :)
14:15:26	petur	I probably forgot to remove that line when I added the puts()
14:15:51	petur	and if something is wrong I'll fix it later on
14:15:59	n1s	re-reading it it seemed to splash on screens[0], wouldn't that be the main lcd?
14:16:14	petur	ah yes
14:16:40	petur	just remove it, I'll fix it later
14:16:47	n1s	ok
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14:36:14	NotHere	hello
14:36:32	NotHere	Is there anyway to play video on the ipod nano 2g?
14:37:05	NotHere	:(
14:37:08	B4gder	1st gen nano?
14:37:15	NotHere	2g
14:37:22	B4gder	rockbox doesn't run on that
14:37:35	B4gder	(and g can be either gen or GB in people's typing)
14:37:52	NotHere	gen
14:38:09	NotHere	But is there anyway to play video on it?
14:38:22	B4gder	that's off-topic here and we don't know
14:38:30	NotHere	ok
14:38:33	NotHere	thanks
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15:04:46	mcuelenaere	anyone knows how to solve 'error: storage size of �ap� isn�t known
15:04:55	mcuelenaere	? (code here: http://pastebin.com/d8547812)
15:05:12	LambdaCalculus37	mcuelenaere: 404.
15:05:15	LambdaCalculus37	Repost.
15:05:37	mcuelenaere	http://pastebin.com/d6f320d04
15:05:50	mcuelenaere	LambdaCalculus37: I guess I forgot to add a space between 2 and )
15:06:40	LambdaCalculus37	:)
15:06:59	gevaerts	mcuelenaere: do you have all needed includes?
15:07:28	mcuelenaere	gevaerts: I have stdarg.h included ( http://pastebin.com/d4763772f )
15:07:57	mcuelenaere	could it be a problem with my Linux set up?
15:08:38	*	gevaerts doesn't know
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15:26:31	obo	amiconn: Bagder: my build server is running 64-bit ubuntu "Intrepid", which is the next test version. I think they've added some patches to GCC - I had to export export CFLAGS="-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=0 -fno-stack-protector" to get it to build the cross compilers (as well as fixing a call to open in gcc/collect2.c for 4.0.3)
15:27:54	petur	I thought we were strict on the compiler versions we used? Surely test OS versions shouldn't be part of our build servers?
15:28:30	obo	It's part of their policy now... in 3 months it will go live
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15:29:53	obo	And I think RHEL may use (some of?) the same patches
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16:07:57	MarcGuay	rt_c150: Could you tell me the firmware version on your player please?
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16:21:03	preglow	i'm gonna add second intervals to "skip lenght", any strong feelings on which should be there? i'm thinking 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 10, 30
16:21:24	preglow	perhaps a 15 as well
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16:23:22	saratoga	is it possible to tweak the "skip back to start of song" and "skip back to previous track" behavor easily?
16:23:53	saratoga	i find myself always getting the one i odn't want
16:30:43	JdGordon	tweak it how?
16:30:57	*	JdGordon got bookmarks working properly :)
16:34:04	saratoga	JdGordon: adjust the time from when it switches between "last track" and "start of present track"
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16:34:24	saratoga	also, I need to talk to someone about how the gaurd buffer works in buffering.c
16:34:37	saratoga	i'm having trouble understanding a bug
16:35:38	JdGordon	for both of those I suggest bugging nico_P
16:35:59	linuxstb	saratoga: Do you mean how the guard buffer is actually implemented in buffering.c?
16:37:11	saratoga	linuxstb: I'm trying to understand why aquiring a buffer sometimes fails in the wma parser
16:37:55	*	linuxstb spots both saratoga and JdGordon and wonders how rockbox-as-app is doing?
16:38:09	linuxstb	saratoga: A buffer <= the size of the guard buffer?
16:38:16	saratoga	linuxstb: depends, had a chance to review the latest patch ?
16:38:21	saratoga	yes that
16:39:08	saratoga	this line: buf = ci->request_buffer(&bufsize, length);
16:39:20	saratoga	why does this sometimes fail by returning a few bytes less then requested?
16:39:31	linuxstb	saratoga: Not really - I have zero rockbox time at the moment...
16:41:01	saratoga	i tried increasing the gaurd buffer size, but the allocation will still fail in precisely the same way
16:41:10	saratoga	well, assuming the SIM uses the gaurd buffer still?
16:41:12	linuxstb	My understanding of the codec API is that it should never fail - if the data isn't loaded, it should block until it is. Maybe that's the problem.
16:41:32	saratoga	it doesn't fail, it just returns a smaller buffer then requested, and the codec errors out
16:41:49	saratoga	trivially smaller, always less then 10 bytes difference on all the files that have this problem
16:42:05	linuxstb	That's what I meant - it should return up to GUARD_BUFFER_SIZE bytes, if they exist in the file.
16:42:30	saratoga	so if it returns less it means we've hit the end of the file?
16:42:53	linuxstb	Yes, that's what I would expect to happen. But I guess we need to check with Nico_P if that's how it's implemented though.
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16:54:42	preglow	hmm
16:54:48	preglow	aren't units translated?
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17:01:50	JdGordon	if the name of the current playlist cant be determined (i.e its not dirplay or m3u) des anyone not like the idea of just creating a numbered filename /bmark_*.bmark ?
17:01:54	saratoga	what would cause a file to decode at half the pitch but still have the correct sample rate and length
17:02:12	JdGordon	opening the keyboard isnt going to be nice without acking it...
17:05:57	preglow	saratoga: some kind of sbr scheme that failed?
17:07:39	saratoga	preglow: no its some stupid thing like the sample rate being set wrong, the file decodes correctly on my wma test driver, but the pitch is off in rockbox
17:08:24	saratoga	i'm just kind of surprised that this can happen
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17:11:01	saratoga	rather then always try and debug this codec problems with guesswork and hacks, I should really just add a stand alone codec option to rockbox that wraps the codec API calls with standard c functions and compiles the codecs seperately from the core so I can see where things go wrong
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17:43:01	n1s	gah, this is the kind of bug i don't like at all... how can putting a DEBUG("foo\n"); in a function make it not crash? :-z
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17:46:27	dropandho	hey all- hope you can help...my iriver h120 seems to have bricked
17:47:43	*	MarcGuay waits for the who, what, where, and how
17:48:17	dropandho	Hey Marc- was that directed to me?!
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17:49:33	MarcGuay	dropandho: Yep. Nobody can help you if you don't explain the situation.
17:49:40	dropandho	got it, thanks
17:49:47	dropandho	i was transfering files to my computer
17:49:53	dropandho	it was in USB boot mode
17:50:06	dropandho	and it sort of got stuck on a file
17:50:21	dropandho	disc kept on spinning...but it wouldn't finish the file
17:50:33	dropandho	i cancelled the transfer
17:50:43	dropandho	tried to eject the disc...but it said it was in use
17:50:51	dropandho	so i pulled the usb chord
17:50:55	LambdaCalculus37	Bad move.
17:51:00	dropandho	and now the device won't respond at all
17:51:18	LambdaCalculus37	Not even from being plugged into AC?
17:51:22	dropandho	and that's where i am now
17:51:33	dropandho	i haven't tried- i jumped on here
17:51:39	dropandho	let me plug in the AC
17:51:53	LambdaCalculus37	The power light should come on.
17:52:12	dropandho	yes, it does
17:52:29	LambdaCalculus37	Does your iriver do anything at all when you try turning it on?
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17:52:44	dropandho	ahh
17:52:46	dropandho	there we go!
17:52:49	dropandho	it's turning on now
17:52:50	Tweak	hello all
17:52:53	dropandho	the a/c did the trick?
17:52:59	LambdaCalculus37	Guess it did. :)
17:53:10	dropandho	so weird...thanks sooo much!
17:53:12	dropandho	i got freaked there
17:53:23	dropandho	what should i do when/if it get's stuck again?
17:53:33	LambdaCalculus37	Plug it into the AC charger again. :)
17:53:54	LambdaCalculus37	Or you can poke the reset button on the bottom with a paperclip.
17:54:36	dropandho	ahhh
17:54:42	dropandho	so the AC is known to revive it?
17:55:31	LambdaCalculus37	I don't know if you can call it an "official" fix, but it's more like getting out of the car and giving it a push.
17:56:04	dropandho	ha
17:56:05	dropandho	got it
17:56:23	dropandho	and my case is on...is the reset button on the bottom, by the AC?
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17:56:54	LambdaCalculus37	It's a little hole on the bottom, near the AC.
17:57:09	dropandho	thanks so much
17:57:13	LambdaCalculus37	No problem.
17:57:15	dropandho	you've been reallly helpful!
17:57:44	dropandho	since i'm on here...my lcd remote hasn't been displaying text
17:57:53	dropandho	it will have the backlight, but no readout
17:58:01	dropandho	sometimes if i re-plug it in it works
17:58:09	dropandho	i'm going to roll up to the latest version
17:58:14	LambdaCalculus37	Do so.
17:58:17	dropandho	but do you think it's a hardware issue?
17:58:22	dropandho	maybe the remote is going?
17:58:23	LambdaCalculus37	Sounds like one.
17:58:40	LambdaCalculus37	But the only way to always be sure is to plug it into another iriver.
17:58:57	dropandho	got it
17:59:29	n1s	we had a bug that would make the remote text disappear a while ago so updating might be a good idea
17:59:56	dropandho	n1s- thanks a ton
17:59:58	dropandho	rolling up!
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18:40:56	J-23	Hi! Can Rockbox support {,micro}SDIO and allow program to have direct access to card reader?
18:43:41	Bagder	doesn't sdio require a certain degree of hw accessibility?
18:44:58	J-23	probably yes ;)
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19:10:09	n1s	anyone on a 32 bit system want to try out my splash rename patch, to see if it crashes? :/
19:10:52	n1s	works nicely on target but crashes on sim for me and i wonder if it's a sim thing or a 64 bit thing...
19:11:24	bluebrother	n1s: can try it ...
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19:12:34	bluebrother	you have a patch up somewhere?
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19:13:31	n1s	bluebrother: thanks, http://home.student.uu.se/niwa5341/splash_rename.diff
19:14:30	n1s	for me it crashes on any splash in the sim :/
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19:19:12	bluebrother	tried to invoke a "cancelled" splash in the settings. No crash.
19:19:23	bluebrother	do you want me to try any special splash?
19:19:45	n1s	bluebrother: thanks, no that's ok, cancelled crashes reliably here
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19:21:23	n1s	haha, if I turn on optimizations when building the sim, the crash magically disappears...
19:22:27	bluebrother	nice bug
19:25:33	n1s	or rather with optimizations it only happens with a voicefile present, without optimizations it happens even with voicefile present :)
19:26:39	bluebrother	hmm, I haven't had a voicefile present. Do you think it's worth trying that?
19:27:06	n1s	bluebrother: if it's not too much hassle it would be good to know
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19:28:39	bluebrother	hmm, does voice not work in the sim? I installed a voice file but the menu isn't spoken.
19:29:19	n1s	it should, it works for me
19:30:27	n1s	but since it happens reliably even without voice file here you don't need to work too much to get it working
19:30:35	bluebrother	hmm, playing back music works. So sound itself is working
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19:35:35	UncleRemus	Where is the file scrobbler.log to be found on the ipod if you enable last.fm support?
19:35:54	UncleRemus	Or have I misunderstood the mechanism?
19:36:53	bluebrother	IIRC it's in the root, and it's starting with a leading dot, thus being hidden
19:37:16	UncleRemus	Yes, saw that as well now, but it isn't there.
19:37:29	UncleRemus	Even if I view hidden files
19:40:12	UncleRemus	Hmmm, I think I can see what the problem is now. The setting doesn't "take"
19:41:11	UncleRemus	meaning that it is not enebled after the reboot it requires.
19:41:33	bluebrother	changing the view files settings doesn't require a reboot ...
19:42:16	UncleRemus	No, but the enabling of last.fm support asks for a reboot.
19:42:40	bluebrother	how are you rebooting?
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19:43:04	UncleRemus	I did the select+menu thing
19:43:15	bluebrother	that's NOT a reboot. That's resetting.
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19:43:34	UncleRemus	And can you help me with reboot?
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19:43:36	bluebrother	to reboot the Ipod you need to shut it down. I.e. hold play until it shuts down, then start it again
19:43:56	bluebrother	if you reset the Ipod Rockbox has no chance to write its settings.
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19:44:14	UncleRemus	OK, thanks. Will do that, right now the battery is completely out
19:46:25	UncleRemus	Another problem, the iPod is dead now that I try to charge it with the adapter. The battery is brand new, I bought it to be able to use rockbox, so it shouldn't be a problem with that.
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19:47:28	UncleRemus	The "reset" worked, I can now see the rockbox screen.
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19:48:14	bluebrother	that's a reboot ...
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19:49:06	UncleRemus	Of course..., sorry for my confusing remarks.
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21:06:39	rasher	amiconn: thoughts on Whick's question on FS #9273?
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21:19:57	rasher	bluebrother: http://pastebin.ca/1171840 Do it!
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21:23:31	bluebrother	rasher: not today ... I don't feel like wanted to get shot down afterwards by grumpy oldtimers, and I feel like a grumpy oldtimer myself these days (maybe I was a bit too grumpy yesterday). Too much work and too much bad code at work this week :/
21:24:07	bluebrother	but I think someone (tm) should do this change some time ;-)
21:24:19	rasher	bluebrother: I didn't really expect you to, I just noticed I had those changes in my tree and thought I'd share
21:25:28	bluebrother	sure. At least I made all sizes in rbutil use IEC prefixes :)
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21:30:01	bertrik	why does the bootloader need to know the mi4 keys? I though that sansapatcher already wrote a decrypted version of the OF
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21:33:40	bertrik	I think I found the database refresh bit for e200 OF 01.02.24P, it's at a different location than where the current bootloader expects it
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21:38:05	pixelma	wasn't the bootloader changed to zeroing a range and catch "all"? I could remember wrong though (and maybe this still isn't enough)...
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21:42:10	bertrik	pixelma, ah yes indeed, it zeroes out the NVPARAMS section, I'm looking at it now
21:43:33	bertrik	I'll try removing the bootloader and reinstall, maybe it's just a dodgy install on my side
21:43:44	fml	bluebrother: hello. Is there any reason why BOM and BOM_SIZE are defined in misc.h instead of being locally defined in misc.c?
21:46:16	bertrik	yuk, no luck with the database refresh after reinstalling, maybe newer OF versions indeed put it in a different place
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22:03:43	amiconn	rasher: I have 2 L&H SAPI5 voices installed (the german voices, "LH Anna" and "LH Stefan")
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22:03:53	amiconn	Both have a vendor attribute of "L&H"
22:04:10	amiconn	As for the japanese voices, I'm not sure what would be the best way
22:05:15	amiconn	We could check for the specific voice names in the .vbs, and return the vendor as "L&H" if those japanese voices are used
22:05:37	rasher	amiconn: I guess that sounds like a good plan
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22:05:59	amiconn	Currently it would be tricky to check for specific voice names in voice.pl, because voice.pl passes the tts options as a whole
22:06:59	amiconn	In fact we could return the vendor as "L&H" if the engine doesn't have a vendor attribute, but the voice name starts with "LH " (including the space)
22:07:18	amiconn	This would even suppress the warning
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22:11:05	bertrik	ah, the NVPARAMS are only cleared when sansapatcher is asked to "update the OF"
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22:14:23	amiconn	Hmm, I'd need to know whether those japanese L&H voices have a name attribute...
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22:25:27	*	fml hopes that bluebrother reads the irc logs (re. BOM_SIZE) and logs off
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22:26:17	bertrik	fml, I think there used to be another source file that did something with BOM, they can probably moved to misc.c now
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22:36:21	*	rasher points pixelma at http://rasher.dk/rockbox/translate/problems.php?lang=deutsch
22:36:42	*	amiconn wonders whether SAPI voice file generation works on Vista+cygwin
22:37:11	rasher	I guess I might be able to try that
22:37:13	amiconn	Vista comes with SAPI5.3, which doesn't exist for earlier versions of windows
22:37:34	amiconn	On XP you can install SAPI5.1, as well as the old SAPI4
22:38:18	pixelma	rasher: thanks, will have a look
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22:47:49	pixelma	rasher: 3 of the 4 "Wrong empty strings" are only whitespace mistakes (2 instead of 1) - is that important? No problem correcting that of course
22:48:17	rasher	pixelma: I'd just change it and leave them for the next update
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22:48:37	rasher	But no, probably doesn't matter
22:51:42	pixelma	I really wonder about LANG_BOOKMARK_SHUFFLE and why it is not voiced in English
22:53:22	rasher	amiconn: Quick hint on what the format for sapi options is?
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22:56:43	pixelma	ah hmm, if I understand correctly, that language string is not set up for voice
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23:00:37	*	bertrik now has basic charging working on c200 and e200
23:00:41	rasher	Uh, VoiceHowto doesn't even MENTION that the build system can create voicefiles!
23:01:29	rasher	And VoiceFiles is painfully outdated and doesn't mention the daily voices.
23:02:23	pixelma	rasher: another thing - LANG_END_PLAYLIST has a seperate string in the source and dest field (to shorten it) but that is not necessary for voice. Now deutsch.lang does not define it seperately for voice but english.lang does - how to deal with that?
23:02:42	pixelma	seperate for the Player, I mean
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23:03:25	rasher	Weird. I'd say that english.lang should be changed, but I don't know if that might break stuff. My gut feeling says it won't, but I'm often wrong
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23:05:01	pixelma	ok, I'll just ignore that for now
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23:12:04	rasher	Oh, there's VoiceBuilding. I guess VoiceHowto need to refer to that
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23:32:00	rasher	amiconn: I just succesfully built a voice file in Vista with whatever's installed by default
23:37:02	*	n1s posts the splash renaming patch to the tracker and would really like some help tracking down this crazy crash the patch causes on 64 bit sims (FS #9281)
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23:42:56	Bagder	bertrik: go go go ;-)
23:44:00	bertrik	27 minutes till feature freeze :P ?
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23:54:55	bertrik	to what location should the yesno_res function pointer be moved in plugin.h?
23:55:59	rasher	bertrik: new stuff is added at the bottom
23:56:21	bertrik	sorry, I mean guisyncyesno_run
23:56:26	n1s	bertrik: I put it after the rest of the gui_sync* stuff in the splashrename patch... :)
23:56:57	n1s	which i won't commit until after the freeze anyways
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23:58:06	bertrik	rasher, I'm removing the ata_disk_is_idle call with my patch so I'm taking the chance to clean up the waiting functions at the bottom of the table in plugin.h
23:58:24	rasher	Ah okay

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