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| 00:07:14 | n1s | so now we're in freeze then? |
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| 00:09:00 | bluebrother | was there anything announced regarding release timeline / freeze / etc.? |
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| 00:11:47 | Llorean | bluebrother: No, we don't have an RC or anything. |
| 00:12:06 | Llorean | The last thing said about the release was when I proposed a date to the list some time back. |
| 00:12:32 | bluebrother | ok, so only some kind of confusion here ;-) |
| 00:12:55 | bluebrother | btw, have you read the answer to your question about this "Rockbox Center"? |
| 00:13:24 | Llorean | Yeah, it shows a slight lack of understanding. I think the only thing they do that we can't address ever is installing unsupported builds. |
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| 00:14:41 | bluebrother | well, creating a rbutil variant that does install unsupported builds should be fairly easy ... |
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| 00:14:59 | Llorean | Yeah, but we really shouldn't include it in official sources. |
| 00:15:39 | bluebrother | yep. I'm not motivated to spend time on such an extension too. |
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| 00:19:23 | rasher | I think it's time for the RSB to decide if we want a release, when we want one, and how the schedule leading to it should be. |
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| 00:20:59 | Llorean | I didn't really get the impression that's what the RSB was initially supposed to be for. |
| 00:21:21 | Llorean | But that being said, i've already stated my preference for if, when, and how anyway. |
| 00:22:37 | rasher | Llorean: Yeah, it's not that it's something particularly necessary for th RSB to decide, it's just that once "they" have said something, things will move forward faster. And ultimately, it's not really an important decision - just one that needs to be taken, and having only 5 people decide is easier than 50 |
| 00:23:25 | Llorean | True |
| 00:23:52 | Llorean | Another option is that you, me, and the couple people around right now can say "Alright, we're in freeze" unilaterally and if anyone asks whether we are, we just say "Yes" and that's that. :) |
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| 00:24:15 | preglow | we're in freeze |
| 00:24:20 | Llorean | If I'd said "Yes" to n1s earlier, we probably would've been actually frozen before anyone sorted it out anyway. :) |
| 00:24:52 | Llorean | I think starting the freeze now works. |
| 00:24:53 | rasher | preglow: You're just a backup! |
| 00:24:54 | n1s | I vote fro freeze now too |
| 00:25:07 | rasher | preglow: imposter. |
| 00:25:11 | Llorean | We pretty much agreed to a release this month at devcon, so it has to start now anyway if it's to happen. |
| 00:25:21 | preglow | indeed |
| 00:25:24 | preglow | i'd say go ahead |
| 00:25:27 | rasher | I certainly vote for freezing. |
| 00:25:33 | preglow | there's no point in not freezing now that i know of |
| 00:25:47 | rasher | I guess we could say that if anyone opposes violently, they could take it up with the RSB |
| 00:25:53 | bluebrother | well, the decision if we want a release has already been made at devcon ... |
| 00:26:05 | preglow | adding second intervals to the already existing skip length feature wouldn't violate a freeze, would it? |
| 00:26:15 | bluebrother | and iirc the idea was for the RSB to figure a release manager and get the ball rolling |
| 00:26:21 | Llorean | preglow: Nah |
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| 00:26:29 | preglow | Llorean: then i say freeze :) |
| 00:26:39 | Llorean | If I could change the channel topic, it'd already be done. |
| 00:26:43 | preglow | but anyway, does anyone know of a good reason not to freeze now? nothing outstanding? |
| 00:26:44 | * | bluebrother really needs the manual to be more rbutil centric |
| 00:26:55 | preglow | i think i can change the topic |
| 00:27:13 | Llorean | I tried changing it to "#Rockbox Please read before speaking: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines | Please direct offtopic/social chat to #rockbox-community | Rockbox 3.0 Freeze begins!" |
| 00:27:18 | Llorean | But Chanserv tells me I'm not authorized. |
| 00:28:17 | bluebrother | Llorean: you're not authorized at services |
| 00:28:21 | Mode | "#rockbox +o preglow " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 00:28:35 | bluebrother | s/authorized/identified/ |
| 00:28:54 | preglow | shall i truy? |
| 00:29:03 | rasher | Please |
| 00:29:14 | * | bluebrother feels the cold |
| 00:29:25 | Topic | "Rockbox Please read before speaking: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines | Please direct offtopic/social chat to #rockbox-community | Rockbox 3.0 Freeze begins!" by preglow (i=thomj@rockbox/developer/preglow) |
| 00:29:32 | Topic | "Rockbox Please read before speaking: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines | Please direct offtopic/social chat to #rockbox-community | Rockbox 3.0 Freeze begins!" by preglow (i=thomj@rockbox/developer/preglow) |
| 00:29:36 | preglow | there we go |
| 00:29:40 | Mode | "#rockbox -o preglow " by preglow (i=thomj@rockbox/developer/preglow) |
| 00:29:50 | * | gevaerts feels cold |
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| 00:29:59 | bluebrother | any reason for that "Rockbox" at the beginning? |
| 00:30:06 | preglow | heh |
| 00:30:08 | preglow | will fix |
| 00:30:13 | Mode | "#rockbox +o preglow " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 00:30:31 | Llorean | bluebrother: Strange, didn't realize somehow I hadn't been identified this time |
| 00:30:32 | bluebrother | how good rbutil isn't affected by rockbox freezes |
| 00:30:33 | Topic | "Please read before speaking: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines | Please direct offtopic/social chat to #rockbox-community | Rockbox 3.0 Freeze begins!" by preglow (i=thomj@rockbox/developer/preglow) |
| 00:30:47 | Mode | "#rockbox -o preglow " by preglow (i=thomj@rockbox/developer/preglow) |
| 00:31:14 | * | bluebrother wants to get this bootloader class rework finished soon |
| 00:31:32 | bluebrother | now someone write an announcement ;-) |
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| 00:44:29 | * | Llorean will announce the 3.0 freeze to the public lists in 24 hours |
| 00:44:37 | Llorean | Just in case somebody has a _really_ good objection. |
| 00:45:27 | gevaerts | Maybe a mail to less public lists now? |
| 00:45:43 | Llorean | The "public" qualifier was intentional, yes. :) |
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| 00:46:27 | * | gevaerts decides to stop meddling in things that are already working well ;) |
| 00:46:55 | Llorean | Last time we attempted a 3.0 release there was an awful lot of people getting very excited (often because they thought it was something it wasn't) |
| 00:47:28 | Llorean | When we announce the freeze in a big way I want to A) make sure the ball's rolling and B) make it clear 3.0 won't have ANY new features from the daily build. |
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| 00:48:00 | * | rasher prepares a follow-up call for translators |
| 00:48:28 | Llorean | We should try to limit new strings during the freeze. |
| 00:48:37 | Llorean | I mean, there should be _almost_ none anyway |
| 00:48:39 | rasher | Ideally there wouldn't be any |
| 00:48:46 | Llorean | Well, if a feature gets tweakes |
| 00:48:49 | Llorean | Tweaked |
| 00:49:00 | Llorean | Like Preglow's tweak of the skip time to include values less than 1 minute |
| 00:49:13 | Llorean | But a call to translators would be great. |
| 00:49:14 | rasher | Luckily, that doesn't require translation changes |
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| 00:49:58 | Llorean | rasher: Yes, just saying though that tweaks like that could result in the parent option being renamed too. |
| 00:50:28 | rasher | Yeah, I'll add a note about checking the status page for changes |
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| 00:55:42 | * | linuxstb reads the logs and puts his coat on |
| 00:56:13 | linuxstb | Has it been decided which targets will be included in 3.0? |
| 00:57:59 | rasher | My personal opinion is "anything rbutil can install on, and for which there are daily builds". As long as we note any target-specific issues in the release notes and/or manual, or somewhere else prominent. |
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| 01:00:09 | Llorean | I'm voting against the PP5002 iPods. Those don't turn off, right? |
| 01:00:34 | gevaerts | Are there irc and/or forum regulars around with knowledge about all rbutil-supported devices? |
| 01:00:58 | Llorean | Depends on what sort of knowledge you're asking about. |
| 01:01:15 | rasher | Llorean: My reasoning is that we've already more or less released it, since the daily builds were practically releases in the eyes of the users. |
| 01:01:16 | pixelma | Llorean: yes, you need to boot into OF to "turn them off" |
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| 01:02:15 | Llorean | rasher: To me a "Release" version means "you can use this without having to do strange things." Rebooting into the OF for USB is mostly handled automatically, but rebooting into the OF to shut down is a really strange quirk. |
| 01:02:44 | gevaerts | I think we need someone who can look at a failed installation report and spot likely causes. For some targets like e200r it can take a while before people get help |
| 01:03:07 | gevaerts | While "a while" is no problem, "sorry, we don't know of anyone who can help you" is |
| 01:03:27 | Llorean | Well, e200r isn't RBUtil-able |
| 01:03:40 | rasher | Llorean: Isn't it in SVN? |
| 01:03:48 | Llorean | rasher: Isn't what? |
| 01:04:01 | rasher | Llorean: I don't really feel strongly about it. My threshold of when a release is reasonable is just higher. |
| 01:04:17 | Llorean | e200r, afaik, still requires the specialized e200rpatcher and you still have to install at least one custom driver. |
| 01:04:53 | linuxstb | Only windows needs a driver... |
| 01:05:03 | rasher | Llorean: ah no, I misread the RockboxUtility page |
| 01:05:39 | Llorean | linuxstb: True |
| 01:05:50 | Llorean | But the point remains that it can't, yet, be installed with rbutil. |
| 01:06:11 | Llorean | I don't think asking people to install a special driver is too much, really, many pieces of hardware require a driver to use, just, in general. |
| 01:06:31 | Llorean | But the e200r is by far the most problematic install of targets we could potentially support. |
| 01:07:13 | Llorean | Other than that, clearer instructions for added steps for bootloaders (Cowon X5/M5/M3, iRiver H100/H300, and Gigabeat F/X all require a final step on-player for the bootloader to actually be used, possibly others) |
| 01:07:42 | gevaerts | Aren't there also some X5 variants around that "should" work but nobody ever tried? I think things like that should also not appear on the "supported" list |
| 01:07:56 | Llorean | I don't think there are, but I could be wrong |
| 01:07:57 | linuxstb | Given that the actual builds for the e200 and e200r are identical, it seems a bit nonsensical to not include the R in the list of 3.0 targets - as Rockbox 3.0 will run on it... |
| 01:08:07 | Llorean | The X5 comes in X5, X5L and X5V and AFAIK, all have been tested. |
| 01:08:23 | gevaerts | ok. I'm misremembering then |
| 01:08:26 | Llorean | linuxstb: Officially, the e200R isn't supported at all right now. |
| 01:08:29 | Llorean | Check the front page. |
| 01:08:38 | Llorean | Oh, wait |
| 01:08:40 | Llorean | When did that change |
| 01:08:49 | Llorean | Withdraw that remark |
| 01:09:53 | pixelma | X5L has just a larger battery, X5V is a "simple" X5 without the radio. The latter needs a differently named bin file for the bootloader installation, not sure how RBUtil handles it currently but I remember talking about possible solutions |
| 01:10:48 | Llorean | linuxstb: Considering people still have considerable trouble getting the e200R install right, and often end up with unusable players for a period in the process, I'm really not comfortable calling it supported when there's so much room for user error still. |
| 01:10:54 | Llorean | But that's my personal preference. |
| 01:11:02 | gevaerts | It would be nice to have test installs done for all supported targets before the release. Not sure how feasible that is |
| 01:11:04 | Llorean | Or at least, not comfortable calling it supported by 3.0 |
| 01:11:45 | pixelma | it seems that the OF only picks up the correctly named so RBUtil could put both files on (leaving an unnecessary file though). I'm not sure it was ever found out if the X5V has different IDs because of the lack of testers |
| 01:11:46 | Llorean | gevaerts: Probably not too hard. I think the targets we'd have the most trouble with are X5V, the H10s, and the Gigabeat X |
| 01:11:57 | linuxstb | Personally, I don't see rbutil as essential. It's a nice bonus, but as long as the install instructions are well documented (the e200r instructions could be greatly improved), and are cross-platform, I would vote for that target to be included. |
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| 01:14:30 | Llorean | I think that's something that can really be debated either way. |
| 01:14:54 | Llorean | Since we don't yet have guidelines for what is "required" for a target to be released, anyway |
| 01:16:31 | linuxstb | I'm tempted to say to include everything that has a daily build, and make sure all quirks are documented. |
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| 01:16:56 | rasher | And in an amazing turn of events, linuxstb and I agree again! (more or less) |
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| 01:18:07 | Llorean | I still think being able to turn the player off shouldn't require the user to consult a FAQ |
| 01:18:16 | pixelma | the M3 also has some strange way to get it into charging currently |
| 01:18:36 | * | linuxstb realises that means he can go to sleep and let rasher argue... |
| 01:18:53 | gevaerts | Technically, the gigabeat S has a daily build |
| 01:19:01 | rasher | I'm done arguing, really. |
| 01:19:13 | Llorean | Anyway, we can just make the initial announcement be "We'll be announcing which targets qualify as 3.0 release targets later" in the official announcement, and figure out what disqualifies any if they are. |
| 01:19:50 | gevaerts | Exactly. No need to do that now |
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| 01:20:24 | pixelma | M3 and Gigabeast also don't have a manual ATM |
| 01:20:39 | Llorean | Gigabeast doesn't have a publicly linked daily. |
| 01:23:18 | gevaerts | Gigabeast is not considered supported right now anyway, so we should probably drop that one. A missing manual for the M3 could be serious though. I think we need at least the installation part |
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| 01:25:06 | rasher | Can you screendump the remote? |
| 01:25:40 | pixelma | not yet (that's what amiconn said yesterday |
| 01:25:42 | pixelma | ) |
| 01:26:15 | rasher | Ah, There's FS #5003 (which is why I asked), but it's quite nasty. Basically a copy&paste |
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| 01:30:41 | Strife89 | How do I make a bootloader executable? |
| 01:30:49 | Strife89 | make tools ? |
| 01:31:15 | Llorean | What do you mean? |
| 01:31:27 | Llorean | The bootloader is a file that's installed to the player. |
| 01:31:34 | rasher | Strife89: You select bootloader during configure |
| 01:31:39 | Strife89 | How do I make a file to INSTALL the bootloader, then? |
| 01:31:59 | Strife89 | For Windows. |
| 01:32:18 | Llorean | Strife89: Depends on what player you're talking about... the process is different for many |
| 01:32:18 | Strife89 | I've already done ../tools/configure 52 b |
| 01:32:31 | rasher | then make should do it |
| 01:32:31 | Strife89 | and then I did MAKE. |
| 01:32:42 | Strife89 | So now what? Where is the executable? |
| 01:32:45 | gevaerts | You need to build sansapatcher I guess |
| 01:32:57 | Strife89 | make sansapatcher? |
| 01:33:01 | rasher | Strife89: In the current dir, presumably |
| 01:33:08 | gevaerts | Or download it |
| 01:33:14 | Llorean | You don't need to make your own sansapatcher, you can just use the existing one |
| 01:33:27 | Llorean | It can install self-compiled bootloaders. |
| 01:33:39 | Strife89 | Meh, I thought there might be some changes since.... |
| 01:34:22 | rasher | Installing your own bootloader is rarely a good idea |
| 01:34:43 | Strife89 | Alright. |
| 01:34:51 | Strife89 | Note taken. :) |
| 01:35:59 | Strife89 | I was having some issues with it earlier - or rather, the OFs side of things. |
| 01:36:08 | Strife89 | My battery was low. |
| 01:38:11 | Strife89 | Does anyone think the ROLO should handle EVERY aspect of the bootloader? (i.e., the OF takes over if the hold switch is on or the battery is low, which can confuse things). |
| 01:38:41 | Llorean | ROLO is not the bootloader. |
| 01:38:52 | Llorean | ROLO is a part of Rockbox that loads .mi4 files off the disk from inside Rockbox. |
| 01:38:59 | gevaerts | No. ROLO loads a specific file. Doing anything else would be a bug |
| 01:39:06 | Strife89 | Well, excuse me, the bootloader. You know what I meant. |
| 01:39:20 | gevaerts | No we didn't |
| 01:39:28 | Llorean | Strife89: Honestly, I didn't. I assumed you had a clue about what you were talking about |
| 01:39:35 | Llorean | I'll not make that assumption in the future though, thanks. |
| 01:39:35 | Strife89 | Oh....... |
| 01:39:40 | Strife89 | Sorry.... :( |
| 01:40:01 | Strife89 | Maybe I SHOULD get some Tylenol. |
| 01:40:09 | Strife89 | (spelling?) |
| 01:40:11 | gevaerts | And yes, the bootloader should do anything the bootloader does... |
| 01:40:31 | Llorean | As far as I know, the bootloader *does* do everything the bootloader does. :) |
| 01:41:30 | Strife89 | Well, on the c250, when the battery is low, I get the OFs low battery symbol and it powers back off. |
| 01:41:30 | Strife89 | Holding left does nothing. |
| 01:41:30 | Strife89 | The only way to boot is to plug in the cable. |
| 01:42:08 | Strife89 | If you do not hold any buttons, though, it boots into Rockbox, which does not yet actually charge the c200s. |
| 01:42:54 | Llorean | That low battery symbol happens before the Rockbox bootloader is loaded. |
| 01:43:04 | scorche|sh | so what exactly are you wishing done? |
| 01:43:19 | Llorean | Think of it as the player itself saying "I don't have enough battery to start doing anything, not even the bootloader" |
| 01:44:10 | Strife89 | Normally I don't let the thing go below 60%. |
| 01:45:04 | Strife89 | I charged it last night, pulled it out of my pocket at 5:00 PM, and got the LOW BATTERY warning. |
| 01:45:28 | Strife89 | Rockbox said it had only been on for five minutes (System/Running Time) |
| 01:46:22 | Strife89 | I can't imagine how I managed to boot into the OF by accident like that. Sure, it's been in my pocket all day, but..... |
| 01:47:08 | Strife89 | And wouldn't it turn off after a while? |
| 01:47:14 | Strife89 | Normally? |
| 01:47:17 | Llorean | We don't write or maintain the OF. |
| 01:47:24 | Strife89 | I know that. |
| 01:47:43 | scorche|sh | so what are you wanting us to do? |
| 01:47:46 | Strife89 | We have no interest in it. I wouldn't use Rockbox if I did. |
| 01:47:47 | Llorean | So why are you asking questions about what the OF does? |
| 01:48:00 | gevaerts | I'd suggest to put it on hold anytime you put it in your pocket. Pockets have some sort of weird intelligence when it comes to pressing buttons |
| 01:48:05 | Strife89 | I'm just thinking out loud, I guess. |
| 01:48:30 | scorche|sh | Strife89: so there is no productive point in your rambling? |
| 01:48:33 | * | gevaerts thinks that pockets are like cats in that respect |
| 01:48:57 | Strife89 | scorche | sh: I'm sorry, I just..... |
| 01:49:22 | Strife89 | Never mind. I'm in a hole seven feet deep now. |
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| 03:19:54 | Unhelpful | saratoga: haven't heard from him in a while, afaik. he said it was working, and just about ready, iirc, then a week or so later that there were some bugs to fix before it went in, and i don't think there's been any word on it since. |
| 03:20:28 | saratoga | he should post a patch of what he has |
| 03:22:07 | Unhelpful | i wish he would, but all of what i mentioned was i think four weeks or so ago, so it seems he's MIA for now. |
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| 07:46:28 | amiconn | Eh? |
| 07:46:59 | amiconn | Was the freeze period announced in advance? |
| 07:47:05 | * | amiconn doesn't remember |
| 07:49:30 | JdGordon | its a surprise! |
| 07:50:46 | Llorean | amiconn: I proposed the date in August on the -dev list and everyone pretty much agreed with it then. |
| 07:51:10 | Llorean | Not to mention we pretty much agreed it needed to be a 2-week freeze and we wanted to have it done by the end of August way back in devcon. Basically it can't happen any later than now anyway. |
| 07:51:44 | amiconn | hmm |
| 07:51:55 | amiconn | A reminder not too long before it would have been nice |
| 07:52:19 | * | amiconn has some pending changes which now probably have to stay pending until after 3.0 |
| 07:52:20 | JdGordon | yeah, I was a bit surprised also... seen as there had been no talk at all since the mail 2 weeks ago which didnt actually get any response |
| 07:53:18 | JdGordon | amiconn: unless they are new feautres they can prob still go in... |
| 07:53:22 | Llorean | Well it's not like you'd be trying to rush to get features in before the freeze anyway, it'd be a bad idea anyway. |
| 07:53:51 | Llorean | Anything big should've waited until after anyway, anything little can wait a whole two weeks. |
| 07:54:07 | amiconn | LCD optimisation for PP502x using the colour lcd bridge, i.e. ipod Color/Photo, Nano, H10 and H10 small |
| 07:54:25 | JdGordon | sounds like commitable if they are ready |
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| 07:54:39 | Llorean | amiconn: I don't see why that can't go in, especially if it's revert-able if it does turn out to do something unexpected. |
| 07:54:43 | amiconn | They're only partially ready yet |
| 07:54:47 | Llorean | It's a bug fix anyway. |
| 07:54:52 | Llorean | Or at least, a refinement. |
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| 07:56:34 | guille | hello |
| 07:56:47 | * | amiconn also doesn't think the powermanagement rework will happen during the freeze |
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| 07:57:38 | Llorean | amiconn: And if it went in before, it'd delay the freeze significantly anyway... |
| 07:57:44 | cool_walking_ | guille: Hi, please take a look at the guidelines linked in the topic. |
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| 08:00:18 | amiconn | That means the ipod G1/G2 and the iaudio M3 won't be 3.0 targets |
| 08:00:29 | Llorean | amiconn: That's still up for debate. |
| 08:00:36 | amiconn | That is, iaudio M3 could probably be fixed without the rework |
| 08:00:44 | Llorean | Some people think they're acceptable as is, as long as the quirks are documented. |
| 08:01:15 | amiconn | Well, for ipod G1/g2, we should at least disable the idle poweroff option completely if we include it |
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| 08:04:26 | pondlife | Morning all. Is anyone working on the gui_syncsplash stuff? |
| 08:05:12 | Llorean | amiconn: Would it be possible to ROLO directly into the OF in the firmware partition? |
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| 08:05:48 | * | pondlife wakes up and reads the tracker ML |
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| 08:14:34 | JdGordon | pondlife: your not gonna do anything about the time in the info screen anymore? |
| 08:15:14 | pondlife | I don't have time ;) |
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| 08:16:05 | JdGordon | so when are we having an irc bug killing party? |
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| 08:20:40 | amiconn | Llorean: I'm not sure, but I don't think that would work |
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| 08:21:17 | amiconn | We're fiddling with many registers, and the OF expects most things set up properly by its bootloader |
| 08:21:48 | * | amiconn also has to hunt for a strange bug on Ondio |
| 08:22:41 | amiconn | Writing large files on large cards (>1GB) falis after some MB. This bug is new, and it's nasty |
| 08:23:15 | Llorean | What kinda failure? |
| 08:23:18 | amiconn | Internal flash doesn't have that problem, as well as smaller cards (tested with a 256MB one), and smaller files |
| 08:23:48 | amiconn | Access to the card fails, and then the card stays inaccessible until you pull it and reinsert it |
| 08:24:24 | amiconn | The first step will be binchopping between r12091 and current |
| 08:25:07 | Llorean | Ouch, long way back |
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| 08:27:05 | amiconn | r12091 is where test_disk.rock was introduced, and I know this bug didn't exist back then |
| 08:27:35 | amiconn | Binchopping doesn't need too many steps, but the nasty thing is that copying a build onto the Ondio takes quite some time |
| 08:28:25 | JdGordon | you cant rolo form the mmc? |
| 08:29:16 | amiconn | I could, but I also need the plugin |
| 08:29:39 | JdGordon | if your doing custom builds anyway.... change the rocks path to the mmc? |
| 08:29:46 | amiconn | And loading stuff from the same card as doing the tests on... |
| 08:30:11 | amiconn | Well, I wouldn't need to change the path. Plugins can be loaded from anywhere via the browser |
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| 08:31:13 | JdGordon | setup an autorock to copy the bin and rock to the internal then manually rolo? |
| 08:31:17 | amiconn | I don't need to put the full build though. Just ajbrec.ajz and test_disk.rock are sufficient |
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| 08:33:44 | amiconn | Btw, the bug hits both in the test_disk.rock disk test, and in wavrecord.rock when recording to a large MMC |
| 08:34:09 | amiconn | It does not affect the test_disk speed test, for some reason (probably the size of the involved files) |
| 08:35:35 | amiconn | Fortunately I didn't experience fs corruption from this bug. It seems to hit while the data block is being written, so it just ends up with 0 byte file |
| 08:35:54 | amiconn | (directory and fat aren't updated yet) |
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| 08:53:53 | * | n1s got the bug :) |
| 08:54:15 | n1s | which btw makes it all the more weird that it used to work... |
| 08:54:29 | amiconn | ? |
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| 08:57:57 | n1s | amiconn: the first version is from svn splash.c:gui_syncsplash() (with splash renamed to splash_internal) and that crashes my sim, while the second doesn't http://www.pastebin.ca/1172553 |
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| 08:58:49 | n1s | iiuc accessing a va_list beyond the last arg is undefined so that may be why it worked in some places... |
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| 09:10:37 | NetAmp | hi, how can I get Rockbox to 'Shuffle' over all available songs, starting from the Root folder (without building a Playlist)? |
| 09:10:56 | Llorean | You always build a playlist when you use Rockbox |
| 09:11:00 | Llorean | Rockbox is playlist based. |
| 09:11:13 | Llorean | Sometimes you just don't realize you've done it. In the case of the root, you have to do it explicitly though. |
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| 09:12:00 | NetAmp | a-ha :) thanks for the enlightenment there |
| 09:12:16 | n1s | amiconn: does that fix even make sense? |
| 09:12:28 | NetAmp | So I (let it) re-create a Playlist after I add new files |
| 09:12:47 | Llorean | NetAmp: The *easiest* way is to put all your music in subfolders of a single folder, say "Music" or "Audio" |
| 09:12:59 | Llorean | Then to create a universal playlist you just "Insert" or "Insert Shuffled" that one folder' |
| 09:13:02 | Llorean | Fairly quick and easy |
| 09:13:09 | Llorean | No need to keep a static m3u around. |
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| 09:13:54 | NetAmp | cool :) thnx 4 the tip. I'll try that. Now I have all folders stuffed in my Root directory |
| 09:13:58 | pondlife | n1s: Did you see my comment about P2STR? |
| 09:14:34 | n1s | pondlife: yes, I think you are right |
| 09:14:37 | pondlife | if p = VIRT_PTR+VIRT_SIZE then it's out of range |
| 09:15:35 | n1s | I'm looking at the casting to unsigned char* now but if I change that I get warnings/errors |
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| 09:16:35 | n1s | pondlife did you see my pastebin above? does it make sense that the first version crashes (with two screens) while the second doesn't? |
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| 09:16:54 | pondlife | Yes, that's also a bug |
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| 09:17:00 | * | NetAmp is going to rearrange his player HD - Have a nice day! |
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| 10:01:18 | n1s | pondlife: new patch posted, I wonder if i should commit the two bugfixes now and wait with the rest till after the freeze or just wait with all of it since noone's noticed the bugs before anyway... |
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| 10:01:48 | pondlife | Why not commit the whole lot now? |
| 10:02:01 | pondlife | I think it's uncontentious |
| 10:02:02 | n1s | but, were i freeze |
| 10:02:18 | pondlife | Yes, but this is a fix, not a feature |
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| 10:02:18 | NJoin | rasher [50] (n=rasher@rockbox/developer/rasher) |
| 10:02:28 | pondlife | Or did I misunderstand? |
| 10:02:29 | n1s | ok, if no one objects I'll go ahead :) |
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| 10:02:56 | pondlife | IIUC, fixes are ok, features are not - someone correct me if I'm wrong though! |
| 10:03:19 | n1s | pondlife: i think that's correct... |
| 10:03:24 | * | B4gder seconds that |
| 10:03:28 | linuxstb | That would be my view - anything that requires a change in the manual is a feature... |
| 10:03:44 | pondlife | If we can get rid of the yellow, then it'll be easier to spot other warnings. |
| 10:05:13 | linuxstb | Anyone have any views on which targets 3.0 should include? There was some discussion here about 9 hours ago. |
| 10:09:33 | B4gder | as many as possible, imho |
| 10:10:22 | Llorean | Well the question is "what makes a target impossible" |
| 10:10:54 | Llorean | Where is the line. The debate seems to mostly center around the 1g/2g iPod that can't turn off, and the e200R which has significant installation complexities. |
| 10:11:29 | pondlife | The Gigabeat S - charging/dual-boot stuff is still an issue, right? |
| 10:11:38 | Llorean | We don't provide a daily for the Gigabeat S |
| 10:11:40 | linuxstb | pondlife: Yes, which is why it's not currently "supported" |
| 10:11:45 | pondlife | Ah, sorry. |
| 10:11:46 | B4gder | yeah, the beast is not there |
| 10:11:48 | Llorean | i don't think it's really a candidate at the moment. No manual, no daily. |
| 10:11:50 | * | pondlife has been away too long |
| 10:11:54 | B4gder | the 1g2g is probably not "good enough" |
| 10:11:58 | n1s | pondlife: yes, i think it should not be included in the release |
| 10:12:08 | B4gder | I think the e200R is fine |
| 10:12:22 | linuxstb | We need to improve the e200r install instructions though. |
| 10:14:05 | linuxstb | The install itself could be improved by incorporating sansapatcher abilities into the e200rpatcher application, but I don't know if anyone wants to do that before 3.0... Or we could enable USB in that app, so the user can then use rbutil for the actual bootloader install. |
| 10:14:57 | Llorean | I think we can just improve the install instructions now |
| 10:14:59 | amiconn | What about the M3? Currently I doesn't charge in rockbox, and getting the cowon loader into charge mode requires a trick |
| 10:15:20 | Llorean | Then once RButil can better install to it, it'll still be able to install 3.0 the "better" way |
| 10:15:25 | amiconn | (it might be possible to fix charging with the current pm code) |
| 10:15:37 | B4gder | amiconn: I think one of you who actually have an M3 should do that call |
| 10:16:04 | amiconn | The X5/M5 also have similar problems, but to a lesser extent |
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| 10:18:11 | B4gder | yeah, no "trick" needed for them |
| 10:18:32 | amiconn | Yes, and they do charge in rockbox at least, although very slowly |
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| 10:33:13 | B4gder | I think it was the "sync" between the main screen and the remote |
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| 10:46:05 | B4gder | one little tiny warning left |
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| 10:46:27 | B4gder | and not too bad size delta |
| 10:46:54 | B4gder | ah, wrong delta... |
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| 11:34:46 | * | amiconn wonders why n1s didn't use strncpy() for the last fix |
| 11:37:41 | petur | yup |
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| 11:48:56 | B4gder | but actually, strncpy is not necessarily faster for this case |
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| 11:49:34 | B4gder | due to the silly padding |
| 11:49:58 | B4gder | which of course I'm not sure our strncpy does? |
| 11:50:06 | pondlife | Are we actually in freeze yet? I see the topic mentions it, but nowhere else. |
| 11:50:22 | B4gder | pondlife: we are in freeze, announcement is pending |
| 11:50:44 | * | pondlife won't commit the tdspeed stuff then ;) |
| 11:50:47 | B4gder | summer is over, everything is cold! |
| 11:50:53 | n1s | amiconn, petur, B4gder: changed it now anyways :) |
| 11:51:13 | B4gder | yeah, I noticed |
| 11:51:45 | B4gder | I bet it was at least a small binsize improvement, even if somewhat slower ;-) |
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| 11:55:03 | B4gder | strncpy |
| 11:55:20 | B4gder | "If the length of src is less than n, strncpy() pads the remainder of dest with null bytes." |
| 11:56:32 | B4gder | that's one of the most unusable features in libc if you ask me |
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| 15:42:27 | Kopfgeldjaeger | I was looking for a rockbox-compatible player. I think the Sandisk E260 [about 40€] would be perfect - but it looks like only v2 is available in most shops. And if you find a v1 player, that's most probably on ebay and twice as expensive as the v2 on amazon. Is there a good alternative for that player? |
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| 15:44:32 | linuxstb | Kopfgeldjaeger: No rockbox-compatible players can be bought new in shops... |
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| 15:55:53 | n1s | anyone with a nano care to test if "Pause on Headphone unplug" is working correctly? |
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| 15:59:25 | Russel-Athletic | hiho |
| 15:59:43 | Russel-Athletic | can i setup the database to sort the albums by year? |
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| 16:00:49 | LambdaCalculus37 | Yep. |
| 16:01:03 | Russel-Athletic | can you point me to somewhere in the manual? |
| 16:01:09 | Russel-Athletic | at the moment i am to stupid to find it |
| 16:02:25 | Russel-Athletic | ah ok i found the link |
| 16:02:27 | Russel-Athletic | thanks anyway :) |
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| 16:18:03 | Russel-Athletic | ok i am not quite sure now, how to write the menu line for sorting this |
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| 16:33:28 | Russel-Athletic | ok i tried: %format "f_albumbrowse" "%.4d - %s" year album |
| 16:33:37 | Russel-Athletic | and: "Artist" -> artist -> album = "f_albumbrowse" -> title = "fmt_title" |
| 16:33:49 | Russel-Athletic | but i only get - 2 - albumname in the browser |
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| 16:37:32 | Slasheri | Russel-Athletic: try %d or %04d, no %.4d (that syntax wont work for integers) |
| 16:38:33 | Slasheri | Russel-Athletic: but iirc, that would work only in the title view, not in album view |
| 16:39:37 | Russel-Athletic | so how do i sort by albumyear? |
| 16:41:13 | Slasheri | you can't yet, however that patch could be useful: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7287 |
| 16:41:31 | Russel-Athletic | and %04d gives me just 00-2- |
| 16:43:29 | Russel-Athletic | nobody in the whole development of rockbox thought of sorting album by year? |
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| 16:45:01 | Russel-Athletic | and as far as i understand it, the patch does something different than i want |
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| 17:10:00 | Russel-Athletic | ok it seems here is a patch http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8051 |
| 17:10:12 | Russel-Athletic | which hopefully somebody has in his build |
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| 17:19:27 | Russel-Athletic | i am just curious, but why is such a patch not already upstream? |
| 17:24:44 | GodEater | I would guess because the patch submitter hasn't got any commiters to look at it |
| 17:24:54 | GodEater | there are no comments on it I can see from anyone with rights to put it into svn |
| 17:26:33 | Russel-Athletic | i am not the author but it would be nice if somebody could look at it |
| 17:27:11 | GodEater | you choose a bad time to request it ;) |
| 17:27:16 | GodEater | we're in feature freeze |
| 17:28:04 | Russel-Athletic | than could you put it on the heap of patches to look at? |
| 17:28:34 | Russel-Athletic | it would be really nice if this patch would be official |
| 17:34:04 | n1s | Russel-Athletic: roolku who posted the patch has commit rights so the best thing would be if he resurfaces and commits himself, otherwise your best bet is to nag one of the committers that actually use the database or at least know it well... |
| 17:34:59 | linuxstb | Are there many such people? |
| 17:35:13 | * | linuxstb gets the impression hardly any devs use the database |
| 17:35:14 | n1s | no :P |
| 17:35:33 | * | gevaerts proposes to drop the database from the release |
| 17:35:39 | * | gevaerts quickly runs away |
| 17:36:07 | * | linuxstb pulls gevaerts back |
| 17:37:06 | * | gevaerts tries to hide |
| 17:39:59 | * | LambdaCalculus37 reveals where gevaerts is hiding |
| 17:41:07 | Russel-Athletic | ok i would try to contact him |
| 17:42:28 | * | petur wonders about 9274 |
| 17:43:03 | n1s | !seen roolku |
| 17:43:25 | n1s | that isn't ho that's supposed to work... |
| 17:43:38 | petur | [Notice] -logbot- roolku (n=roolku@77-103-202-16.cable.ubr16.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) signed off 25 days and 21 hours ago () |
| 17:44:58 | n1s | thanks |
| 17:47:04 | petur | so use /msg logbot seen <nick> |
| 17:47:21 | * | petur walks away for a while |
| 17:49:46 | mcuelenaere | why is panicf() limited to 18 characters for displaying text on HAVE_LCD_BITMAP targets and not for example to (LCD_WIDTH/SYSFONT_WIDTH)? |
| 17:50:05 | amiconn | Because it's ooooolld code? |
| 17:50:18 | amiconn | 112/6 = 18 |
| 17:50:35 | mcuelenaere | so can I update it? |
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| 18:09:04 | Russel-Athletic | by the way, how long will the feature freeze last? |
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| 18:16:40 | jac0b|w | any news on the gigabeat s battery stuff? |
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| 18:21:49 | n1s | Russel-Athletic: probably around 2 weeks |
| 18:22:02 | n1s | jac0b|w: no |
| 18:22:47 | Russel-Athletic | ok that is not to long |
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| 18:23:53 | jac0b|w | no thats not |
| 18:24:05 | jac0b|w | can't wait |
| 18:24:25 | jac0b|w | I like the S much more than the F |
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| 18:43:33 | amiconn | mcuelenaere: I'd say it's perfectly okay to change this |
| 18:43:59 | mcuelenaere | amiconn: FS #9282 |
| 18:46:23 | amiconn | I think you can commit that right away |
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| 18:46:52 | mcuelenaere | that's ok with the feature freeze? |
| 18:47:38 | amiconn | You're not changing a feature. |
| 18:48:07 | mcuelenaere | k |
| 18:48:19 | amiconn | You can even call that a bugfix (cause the code is meant to wrap lines, but it's oold, so it just has the archos line length hardcoded) |
| 18:48:21 | rasher | And you're not introducing new (possibly buggy) code as far as I can tell |
| 18:49:00 | amiconn | Well, even new code should be okay as long as it's not adding a new feature, iiuc |
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| 18:49:36 | gevaerts | Depends. I would not really like a rewrite of the playback engine right now |
| 18:49:58 | amiconn | Of course the upcoming release should be considered |
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| 18:50:31 | mcuelenaere | does anyone know what a "TLB exception (Load or Ifetch)" could mean? (MIPS specific bug) |
| 18:50:33 | amiconn | That's why I'm still not 100% certain about the PP502x colour bridge code optimisations |
| 18:51:07 | amiconn | I'll do that in steps anyway. First step is splitting the color/photo driver and the nano driver |
| 18:51:47 | amiconn | (will reduce binsize for the nano and gice a tiny tiny speedup) |
| 18:53:11 | amiconn | But before that I should probably go hunting the Ondio MMC write bug |
| 18:53:17 | amiconn | pixelma: ping |
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| 18:53:48 | linuxstb | Is it safe for panicf to modify the string passed to it? Couldn't it be const, and hence in ROM? |
| 18:54:35 | amiconn | *very* good point... |
| 18:55:10 | amiconn | Well, the fix is obvious. panicf needs a buffer (of line length + 1 size), and copy the stuff there |
| 18:56:13 | amiconn | Although this bug doesn't make panicf() fail |
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| 18:57:09 | linuxstb | Wouldn't the lcd_puts just truncate the string though? i.e. fix by just not adding the 0? |
| 18:57:38 | amiconn | Nah, the bug doesn't exist |
| 18:58:19 | amiconn | panicf() doesn't manipulate the passed string, but its own buffer |
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| 20:23:31 | banaan | Hi, i've just tried to upgrade my ipod nano's rockbox firmware, hadn't done this in a while... it seems that a couple of things have changed pertaining to the WPS... |
| 20:23:43 | banaan | Is it possible that most WPSes on the website haven't been updated? I can get very few to work. Or is it an other problem? |
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| 20:27:24 | pixelma | yes, it is possible. Which website are you talking about by the way? |
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| 20:30:03 | banaan | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpodNano this one... and I might have included a few of these as well: http://rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=176x132x16 |
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| 20:30:27 | banaan | I was hoping I'd be able to continue to use the "Silver" theme... I guess I'll have to fix it up myself then |
| 20:30:50 | pixelma | banaan: just in case you mean the rockbox-themes site, then it's almost sure that none of them works. The page in the wiki has some updated themes |
| 20:31:00 | banaan | okay |
| 20:31:27 | banaan | I'm going to have to study me a bit of rockbox theme building, I suppose :) |
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| 20:33:14 | nenne | hi all! do u know why i can't play a52 files anymore? |
| 20:33:44 | nenne | iaudio x5, current build |
| 20:34:03 | pixelma | banaan: it's not that hard to fix... I think ;) ...but maybe the forum thread in the "WPS and customisation" part could help, I think it's even a sticky there |
| 20:35:23 | banaan | I'll check it out, thanks :) |
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| 20:37:43 | linuxstb | nenne: What did you change? I don't think anything has changed in Rockbox regarding a52 for a long time. |
| 20:38:31 | saratoga | I'm working on putting the tremor IMDCT into the codeclib and I'm wondering if theres any compelling reason to keep all the "ogg_int32_t" typedefed variables, or if I should just replace them all with int32_t |
| 20:38:43 | nenne | nothing as far as i know..but it's been like this for some time also |
| 20:39:20 | linuxstb | saratoga: The only reason to keep them is to maintain some kind of sync with the original source. I don't know if anyone cares about that though. |
| 20:39:47 | saratoga | thats what i figured |
| 20:39:49 | linuxstb | nenne: So what happens when you try to play one? |
| 20:42:37 | saratoga | i really hate it when people try to redefine the c language in their programs |
| 20:43:09 | nenne | it hangs, i have to restart |
| 20:43:48 | linuxstb | Can you upload one somewhere? |
| 20:44:47 | nenne | but if rockbox plays a list of tracks like mp3-flac-a52, and i selects the mp3 and leave it running then rockbox plays the a52 file |
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| 20:47:13 | linuxstb | And you're running the very latest Rockbox build? |
| 20:48:13 | nenne | r18289-080815 |
| 20:49:23 | banaan | I think I'm going to look into it later, don't really have time to experiment right now... in the meantime I'll revert back to revision 13*** :) |
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| 20:51:15 | nenne | yep, if i add the a52 as the next song in the playlist it plays all fine, but hangs if i select it myself |
| 20:56:26 | nenne | linuxstb: it's 62Mb, can i cut a bit of it with dd or something? (i'm using linux) |
| 20:58:32 | linuxstb | It sounds like some kind of buffering issue, so maybe it will only show with the whole file. You could try cutting it, and seeing if the cut file plays in Rockbox. |
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| 21:01:24 | nenne | yea it's not that kind of a big deal to me, just wanted you dudes to know, if u didn't. tnx anyway. i really like rockbox ;) |
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| 21:01:55 | saratoga | gcc is giving me a "discards qualifiers from pointer target type" warning when I try to assign a pointer to a const lookup table |
| 21:01:57 | pixelma | helpful :\ |
| 21:01:59 | saratoga | i thought this was permited? |
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| 21:02:45 | amiconn | saratoga: The pointer must be declared as a pointer to constant data |
| 21:03:07 | amiconn | (which is quite different from a constant pointer) |
| 21:04:50 | saratoga | amiconn: so "const int32_t *T;" would give me a pointer to a const? |
| 21:05:05 | amiconn | yes |
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| 21:19:10 | saratoga | i can't seem to get the codeclib to recognize a function declared in a .S file, but it recognizes it fine if I use the same files in an individual codec |
| 21:19:19 | saratoga | the linker fails out with an undefined reference to the function |
| 21:19:46 | saratoga | is there something special about putting stuff in codeclib.h? |
| 21:21:30 | amiconn | Did you check whether your .S file actually assembles? |
| 21:21:44 | amiconn | I guess it doesn't, as it's the first .S file in the codeclib |
| 21:22:21 | amiconn | You need to fix apps/codecs/lib/Makefile |
| 21:23:30 | amiconn | Oh, and you should enable sectioned compilation for the codeclib if you extend it as intended |
| 21:23:45 | amiconn | Compare to apps/plugins/lib/Makefile |
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| 21:30:48 | amiconn | Hmm, the Ondio MMC bug isn't new to rockbox, it rather seems my Ondio (or my MMCs??) developed it |
| 21:30:58 | * | amiconn needs to check what does actually fail |
| 21:31:09 | amiconn | r12091 has the same problem |
| 21:33:46 | saratoga | amiconn: I thought gcc always assembles .S files by default. How would I enable that? |
| 21:34:05 | amiconn | [21:23:45] <amiconn> Compare to apps/plugins/lib/Makefile |
| 21:34:41 | saratoga | well yes I've done that but I'm not seeing anything obvious, theres a number of changes between them |
| 21:35:03 | amiconn | Huh? Now the 4GB MMC passes the test in r18281? wtf?? |
| 21:35:35 | * | amiconn guesses contact problem, but already cleaned the contacts several times... |
| 21:36:33 | saratoga | oh i think i see it |
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| 21:38:15 | amiconn | The OBJS/OBJS2 lines should be suitable for direct replacement of the OBJS line |
| 21:38:47 | amiconn | And you'll want the -ffunction-sections -fdata-sections stuff |
| 21:39:24 | saratoga | amiconn: that fixes the compilation problem, but what does -ffunction-sections actually do? |
| 21:39:36 | saratoga | google suggests that it may waste memory and prevent profiling |
| 21:39:54 | amiconn | It puts every function into its own code section |
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| 21:40:03 | amiconn | (.text.<function_name>) |
| 21:40:37 | amiconn | This allows the linker to throw out unused functions later |
| 21:41:08 | saratoga | ah definately worth having then |
| 21:41:25 | amiconn | It "wastes" memory so far as the sections are usually aligned (alignment depends on architecture) |
| 21:41:49 | amiconn | The linker must be told to do this garbage collection as well |
| 21:42:00 | amiconn | I'll check the respective Makefile(s) |
| 21:42:16 | amiconn | -fdata_sections does the same for variables, btw |
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| 21:44:54 | amiconn | Ah, yes. apps/codecs/Makefile, line 77 needs the following option inserted: -Wl,−−gc-sections |
| 21:45:05 | amiconn | Compare to apps/plugins/Makefile |
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| 21:47:31 | amiconn | Hmm, and on arm, sectioned compilation causes all involved calls to become long calls |
| 21:47:48 | amiconn | Hence we shouldn't do it everywhere, but only for libs where it makes sense |
| 21:48:25 | saratoga | amiconn: wma and ogg work for me using the imdct in the lib |
| 21:49:07 | amiconn | Are you doing this to prepare aac optimisation? |
| 21:49:13 | saratoga | yes |
| 21:49:34 | saratoga | the aac step should take about 5 minutes once this is ready |
| 21:50:04 | saratoga | though checking to make sure theres no overflows or glitches from the new imdct will take longer |
| 21:50:31 | amiconn | Sounds like a plan |
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| 21:50:55 | Aevum | advcomp2019, |
| 21:51:05 | saratoga | test_codec doesn't show any change in runtime oddly enough for WMA, though maybe the change to longcalls isn't significant |
| 21:51:18 | amiconn | Do we have an open licensed standard test track now that is, or can be, encoded to all sorts of formats? |
| 21:51:33 | saratoga | amiconn: yes theres one on the CodecPerformanceComparison page |
| 21:51:43 | saratoga | and a script that generates versions of it in every codec |
| 21:51:52 | Aevum | if codec perfomance was important, we would all be using ogg and flac |
| 21:51:54 | saratoga | i always use that track in 192k for each codec |
| 21:52:22 | saratoga | Aevum: on most (all?) ARM, WMA is a bit faster now :) |
| 21:52:32 | Aevum | it is ? |
| 21:52:46 | Aevum | well, i guess microsoft has alot of cash to spend on development |
| 21:52:57 | saratoga | not MS, me |
| 21:53:29 | Aevum | saratoga, you think some software developers dont "donate" money to hardware developers to include optimizations ? |
| 21:53:49 | amiconn | ? |
| 21:54:07 | Aevum | look at what happened with foxconn and the bios's |
| 21:54:12 | advcomp2019 | Aevum, yea |
| 21:54:21 | Aevum | the only reason they actually took a step back is becuase of community pressure |
| 21:54:51 | Aevum | also, the new cowon PMP's |
| 21:55:05 | Aevum | which use that TI davinchi chipset which is dependent on WinCE |
| 21:55:06 | saratoga | Aevum: the CPU cores we're talking about are older then WMA, so they include no WMA influenced components, and the software was mostly written by me, not MS |
| 21:55:22 | saratoga | basically none of what you're saying makes any sense |
| 21:55:28 | Aevum | then i apologize, it seems to do very good work |
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| 21:59:23 | saratoga | ah there we go: "can't load wma.codec" |
| 21:59:44 | saratoga | good thing I tried deleting the rockbox folder before deciding this was working |
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| 22:08:02 | amiconn | saratoga: Does the file exist? |
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| 22:09:49 | linuxstb | Would any lang file experts (rasher, pixelma?) care to look at a patch I've created via rasher's site for the Catalan translation - just to make sure I'm doing doing anything stupid? (it's my first translation work - with the help of two native Catalan speakers...) http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/catala.diff |
| 22:10:08 | linuxstb | Seems this is yet another language with English voice strings... |
| 22:11:04 | saratoga | amiconn: oddly enough it does |
| 22:11:26 | saratoga | wait it didn't get copied over |
| 22:11:33 | amiconn | 0 bytes? |
| 22:11:35 | saratoga | let me sort this out it may just be a stupid windows issue |
| 22:15:15 | saratoga | amiconn: seems to be working now, I think Windows just didn't copy over the entire directory somehow |
| 22:15:42 | saratoga | i'll look at this later tonight and try to post a patch today or tomorrow |
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| 22:23:31 | pixelma | linuxstb: started looking (thanks for the "expert" btw. ;) ). Some things seem unnecessary to me, like the seperating of voice strings for different targets where the voice string itself is the same, e.g. in LANG_BUILDING_DATABASE (compare to english.lang). And it can't be seen in the diff but please check whether LANG_SYSFONT_RECORDING_SIZE has a an empty voice string for "recording:" otherwise voice will be off |
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| 22:24:32 | pixelma | empty string = "" and not 'none' the latter will exclude the whole string |
| 22:24:44 | rasher | pixelma: I'm thinking the former is probably my fault. Though it shouldn't happen, as far as I can tell |
| 22:25:25 | HTMLCODER | Ahem... Rockbox shows battery decreasing VERY fast and shuts down (w/o any warnings or messages). However, the OF (Sansa e200) works normally and displays full battery. Any ideas? |
| 22:26:09 | linuxstb | pixelma: The LANG_BUILDING_DATABASE seems the same in english.lang - i.e. unnecessary splitting of targets. |
| 22:26:57 | pixelma | for the "voice" part. Hmm... are we looking at the same english.lang? |
| 22:27:00 | rasher | linuxstb: I only see a * entry in english.lang for LANG_BUILDING_DATABASE |
| 22:27:03 | rasher | In voice.. |
| 22:27:37 | pixelma | linuxstb: in the "dest" it's ok, because it's mentioning the different buttons |
| 22:27:38 | linuxstb | Ah yes. But there's unnecessary splitting in source: and dest: as well... |
| 22:27:58 | pixelma | and source |
| 22:28:27 | rasher | I'll have a look at the voice thing |
| 22:28:28 | linuxstb | The separate ipod* isn't needed. |
| 22:28:38 | rasher | If you could please not commit these changes for a while? |
| 22:28:59 | HTMLCODER | And, by the way, will RB ever support XviD (as it's afree codec) |
| 22:29:17 | B4gder | how is xvid more free than mpeg2? |
| 22:29:21 | linuxstb | OK... Does that mean I have to do them again though, or should I clean the patch by comparing with english.lang? |
| 22:29:48 | HTMLCODER | B4gder: it's so hard to find any software which can convert to mpeg... |
| 22:29:55 | HTMLCODER | for free |
| 22:29:59 | B4gder | what? |
| 22:30:05 | rasher | linuxstb: It's probably easier to commit, then check the problems.php page.. but allow me to use catala for testing how to fix this |
| 22:30:07 | B4gder | there are plenty |
| 22:30:20 | HTMLCODER | B4gder: give a hint, please. |
| 22:30:28 | B4gder | mencoder, vlc |
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| 22:30:38 | B4gder | as the wiki page describes |
| 22:30:48 | HTMLCODER | B4gder: thanks. And what about the other problem? |
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| 22:31:34 | B4gder | my sansa e200 runs fine with Rockbox |
| 22:31:39 | linuxstb | What does "VERY fast" mean? |
| 22:32:01 | HTMLCODER | linuxstb: it decreases with a step almost every second |
| 22:32:59 | HTMLCODER | When on charging, no such problem exists, and the OF has no problems, either. So this is not a battery issue |
| 22:33:39 | linuxstb | rasher: OK, I'll leave it for now. It will be easy enough to do it again via your site. |
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| 22:44:24 | rasher | Should be fixed now. |
| 22:44:28 | rasher | linuxstb: You're free to commit |
| 22:45:16 | bertrik | HTMLCODER, are you familiar with the debug menus? |
| 22:46:18 | HTMLCODER | bertrik: somewhat |
| 22:46:19 | bertrik | can you have a look at the "View I/O ports" screen? it show the various voltages (also of the battery) measured by rockbox |
| 22:47:03 | linuxstb | rasher: Hmm, seems there are already many problems on the problems.php?lang=catala page... |
| 22:47:09 | bertrik | what are the values of ADC_BVDD and ADC_RTCSUP? |
| 22:47:38 | HTMLCODER | wait a sec... must find the player... |
| 22:48:20 | rasher | linuxstb: Committing your patch should remove a bunch of them |
| 22:48:30 | rasher | Especially some of the more tedious to fix |
| 22:48:51 | linuxstb | rasher: OK, I was about to ask that... So I should just commit as-is, and then see what's left in problems.php? |
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| 22:50:29 | rasher | Yeah, probably the best way. It creates a few extra commits, but it spares me from having to complicate things even more than they already are for my page to work |
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| 22:52:47 | linuxstb | rasher: OK, committed. When will your site update? |
| 22:53:12 | rasher | At :29, or whenever I trigger an update |
| 22:53:18 | rasher | Which I just did |
| 22:56:26 | linuxstb | rasher: Looking at the problems.php now, can those "wrong empty strings" be fixed automatically? |
| 22:56:33 | rasher | Eek! |
| 22:57:37 | rasher | I'll create some magic |
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| 23:00:36 | rasher | I thought they would be fixed automagically, but that's only for strings showing up on the update page now that I think about it |
| 23:07:32 | HTMLCODER | ADC_BVDD= about 650 |
| 23:07:32 | HTMLCODER | ADC_RTCSUP=about 700 |
| 23:07:42 | HTMLCODER | but it's charging now |
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| 23:25:15 | rasher | linuxstb: there are a number of weird things |
| 23:25:38 | rasher | But I have this now: rasher.dk/rockbox/translate/fixemptystrings.php?lang=catala">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/translate/fixemptystrings.php?lang=catala |
| 23:26:48 | rasher | Looks like it'll wipe out a few translations that currently have some syntax errors |
| 23:27:00 | rasher | Maybe I should make problems.php include an upload field |
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| 23:28:23 | linuxstb | Where are the syntax errors? |
| 23:28:37 | rasher | Stuff such as this: radio*: "Radio FM" |
| 23:28:52 | rasher | Well, not a syntax error, but it's not following english.lang |
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| 23:29:13 | rasher | I'll add an upload field to problems.php - that should make it easier to check without having to commit first |
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| 23:50:04 | rasher | linuxstb: There's now an upload field on the bottom of problems.php, where you can upload your own work in progress and generate a report for that |
| 23:50:26 | rasher | linuxstb: I suggest applying this: rasher.dk/rockbox/translate/fixemptystrings.php?lang=catala">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/translate/fixemptystrings.php?lang=catala and work manually from there |
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| 23:56:56 | rasher | Hm, that's not quite good enough |
| 23:57:04 | * | rasher creates more magic |
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