| 00:00:21 | saratoga | well as a proof of concept I might just try it with one codec to see that everything else is working |
| 00:00:52 | saratoga | grep turns up a couple calls to open in the codecs folder, but I think all or at least most are for stand alone versions of the codec and not used in rockbox |
| 00:01:01 | amiconn | It seems like the PP memory controller is pretty efficient, so using the cached alias addresses is only slighly slower than the cached addresses if large amounts of data are accessed linearly |
| 00:01:04 | saratoga | though nsf.c has one ominous call to open ... |
| 00:01:24 | amiconn | Err, s/cached/uncahed/ |
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| 00:02:04 | saratoga | the memory controller probably fetches an entire cacheline everytime even if its uncached |
| 00:02:17 | amiconn | It might even help other parts of code to become faster, since that linearly accessed data wouldn't throuw other data out of the cache |
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| 00:04:03 | amiconn | I checked this when making the greylib work on the cop. Drawing only became a few percent slower with the uncached buffer, much less than what was gained by offloading the isr to the cop |
| 00:04:13 | Lear | By the way, if a codec did access files directly, it'd be noticed on HD targets... |
| 00:04:31 | amiconn | true |
| 00:06:18 | * | kugel wonders why the statusbar doesn't update in his pitchscreen vp patch |
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| 00:09:37 | scorche|sh | saratoga: so how goes the GSoC project? |
| 00:09:42 | bertrik | saratoga, by the way I was able to fix my charging status problem without using a sleep |
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| 00:11:07 | kugel | bertrik: Nice that you committed the battery bench patch anyway ;) |
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| 00:22:20 | * | linuxstb reads the Google SoC timeline and sees that tomorrow is "Firm 'pencils down' date. Mentors, students and organization administrators can begin submitting final evaluations to Google."... |
| 00:22:35 | scorche|sh | linuxstb: hence why i ask... |
| 00:23:00 | n1s | amiconn: the spc codec uses the COP too... |
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| 00:23:11 | * | gevaerts wonders how many GSoC students actually used a pencil |
| 00:23:19 | LegoShark | Hello, everyone |
| 00:24:08 | BigBambi | gevaerts: If it is sharp enough you can use it to press the reset button |
| 00:24:22 | gevaerts | ah, yes :) |
| 00:24:26 | LegoShark | I'm having a hard time getting Rockbox |
| 00:24:33 | kugel | does anyone know what is making the statusbar constantly updating in lists? |
| 00:24:41 | * | scorche|sh summons domonoky for questioning |
| 00:25:00 | BigBambi | LegoShark: Which target? |
| 00:25:00 | scorche|sh | LegoShark: any problem in specific? |
| 00:25:01 | linuxstb | kugel: IIRC, the list code calls the statusbar drawing function at frequent intervals |
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| 00:25:20 | LegoShark | i' trying to download the iPod 3rd gen on it |
| 00:25:24 | LegoShark | err |
| 00:25:28 | BigBambi | Have you read the manual? |
| 00:25:29 | LegoShark | download it on the 3rd gen |
| 00:25:31 | LegoShark | but |
| 00:25:38 | LegoShark | when i download the file, theres nothing there |
| 00:25:40 | BigBambi | And ipod 3rd gen, not ipod nanao 3rd gen |
| 00:25:45 | BigBambi | *nano |
| 00:25:45 | LegoShark | Right |
| 00:25:48 | LegoShark | no nano |
| 00:25:58 | BigBambi | The nano 3rd gen doesn't work |
| 00:26:07 | LegoShark | there's nothing in the file when i open it |
| 00:26:12 | BigBambi | As clearly stated on the front page of www.rockbox.org |
| 00:26:17 | scorche|sh | LegoShark: which extracting program are you using?...it is likely hiding the folder as it starts with a "." |
| 00:26:37 | BigBambi | If it is a "old" 3rd gen, just use rbutil, it is a lot easier |
| 00:26:44 | kugel | linuxstb: In which file? I can't seem to find something usefull in the list.c files |
| 00:26:57 | LegoShark | http://build.rockbox.org/ i click on the iPod 3rd gen |
| 00:27:28 | scorche|sh | LegoShark: i know...try to use rbutil as it describes in the manual |
| 00:27:31 | BigBambi | LegoShark: Out of interest, why not use rbutil? And what is your OS? |
| 00:27:37 | LegoShark | the file: rockbox downloads and there's nothing there |
| 00:27:43 | LegoShark | i open it up |
| 00:27:46 | LegoShark | its empty |
| 00:27:48 | amiconn | n1s: I know that one of those console music codecs does. Iirc it was jhMikeS' testbed for dual core development |
| 00:27:51 | BigBambi | WHAT OS? |
| 00:27:58 | LegoShark | OS X |
| 00:27:59 | scorche|sh | LegoShark: i know...i already explained that it likely isnt and is just hiding the folder within |
| 00:28:33 | linuxstb | kugel: gui_syncstatusbar_draw(&statusbars, true); - in list.c. Otherwise it's probably the functions using the list - e.g. menu.c |
| 00:28:37 | scorche|sh | your program will hide files/folders that start with "." |
| 00:28:46 | BigBambi | LegoShark: As scorche|sh has said, that is because the folder in the archive is .rockbox. Directories starting with a full stop are hidden by default on OS X so you can't see it |
| 00:29:03 | LegoShark | so, how do i get to it? |
| 00:29:07 | BigBambi | LegoShark: Use rbutil |
| 00:29:16 | LegoShark | what is that? |
| 00:29:27 | scorche|sh | LegoShark: we have told you many times to try out rbutil as said in the manual...download the manual and follow those links |
| 00:29:29 | BigBambi | It is the automatic installation program |
| 00:29:40 | linuxstb | LegoShark: http://www.google.com/search?q=os+x+hidden+files |
| 00:29:45 | BigBambi | And it is described in the manual as automatic installation |
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| 00:31:19 | kugel | linuxstb: looking at quickscreen (where the statusbar also updates), it looks pretty much the same as in my pitchscreen |
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| 00:33:43 | scorche|sh | linuxstb: did you see my earlier remarks about automation of the theme site? |
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| 00:34:23 | linuxstb | kugel: "button = get_action(CONTEXT_PITCHSCREEN,TIMEOUT_BLOCK);" would seem to be the problem - your function will be waiting in the get_action() function, and not returning. Try changing that to TIMEOUT_NOBLOCK |
| 00:34:54 | linuxstb | scorche|sh: Yes, but I knew that... It's mcuelenaere and others that need to be convinced (IIUC mcuelenaere has implemented some kind of admin page now) |
| 00:35:18 | scorche|sh | an admin page is fine...a "to be approved" area is not |
| 00:35:32 | scorche|sh | i will have to look at the site now that i have internet again |
| 00:35:47 | kugel | linuxstb: Ah, now the while loop is actually looping |
| 00:36:25 | kugel | Thanks, now it works. I'm gonna use HZ/5 like in quickscreen |
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| 00:37:15 | scorche|sh | it isnt really something that needs some "convincing"...if it isnt done this way, the status of the site to be protected under "safe harbor" is in jeopardy |
| 00:37:30 | linuxstb | scorche|sh: As you're hosting it, I say it's your call. |
| 00:38:34 | BigBambi | We just need to comply with the laws as they stand (not matter how bloody stupid) in the country in which it is hosted |
| 00:38:48 | BigBambi | As that is the US, that means some damn stupid laws :) |
| 00:39:02 | BigBambi | (not that other places don't have them too) :) |
| 00:39:55 | linuxstb | We can't host it on sealand? ;) |
| 00:39:57 | scorche|sh | it isnt so much complying with laws, as it is the site qualifying for "safe harbor" under the DMCA |
| 00:40:22 | BigBambi | Well yes, but complying in that sense |
| 00:40:27 | scorche|sh | yar |
| 00:40:39 | BigBambi | The DMCA is still a fricking stupid law, that I am glad doesn't apply to me |
| 00:40:59 | kugel | linuxstb: What's the matter with that timeout? Hw |
| 00:41:15 | kugel | s/Hw/Why even have a timeout? |
| 00:41:28 | scorche|sh | (act)...but large large parts of it havent even been proven in case law, so it is pretty silly |
| 00:42:11 | BigBambi | yup |
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| 00:42:19 | kugel | get_action waits for button input, but no longer than timeout, right? |
| 00:42:20 | BigBambi | Nonetheless, better safe than sorry :) |
| 00:43:01 | linuxstb | kugel: Yes. |
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| 00:44:02 | kugel | But why would I want to choose no timeout? I'd prefer a very short timeout in any case. Is it to safe cpu load/battery or something? |
| 00:44:06 | scorche|sh | BigBambi: yup...it is the same thing that protects ISPs, search engines, and such, so it is a valid thing to point to as long as you fulfill the requirements |
| 00:44:48 | linuxstb | kugel: Yes, the thread can be put to sleep (and if all threads are sleeping, the CPU is put to sleep). |
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| 00:45:38 | BigBambi | scorche|sh: Yes indeed. My problem is with having to be protected from the nonsense that is DMCA, but given it is there then we do indeed need to follow it so long as the site is hosted in the US |
| 00:46:19 | linuxstb | But ignoring the law, I think a "publish automatically, remove things later if there are problems" will be less work overall, so would prefer it anyway. |
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| 00:46:36 | linuxstb | It's basically how the wiki works now. |
| 00:47:04 | linuxstb | But with the added advantage of being able to do lots of technical validation and reject things immediately if they are bad. |
| 00:47:05 | BigBambi | I agree |
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| 00:49:30 | * | linuxstb spots the new admin page here, but doesn't know the username/password... http://veldrijden.info/themes_rockbox/admin.php |
| 00:49:36 | linuxstb | (that's mcuelenaere's site) |
| 00:50:15 | mcuelenaere | linuxstb: test test |
| 00:50:20 | kugel | linuxstb: So, if it saves battery to choose a rather high timeout, why would anyone want a very short (e.g. each tick) timeout? I can't think of a situation now where a timeout less than HZ is worth the battery life |
| 00:50:36 | linuxstb | kugel: It depends how often you want/need to update the LCD |
| 00:51:04 | scorche|sh | mcuelenaere: have you seen what i have said in here? |
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| 00:51:12 | mcuelenaere | scorche|sh: yes, just now |
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| 00:51:23 | scorche|sh | your thoughts? |
| 00:51:24 | mcuelenaere | the change isn't that big to disable the current admin panel |
| 00:51:32 | mcuelenaere | but a new one will have to be made |
| 00:51:38 | mtz | Hi there on rockbox! I wanted to ask you guys a question. |
| 00:51:39 | mcuelenaere | or the current will need to be edited |
| 00:51:46 | BigBambi | mtz: Then please do |
| 00:52:17 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: I guess we need a way for admins to manage the existing themes - to delete/edit etc |
| 00:52:24 | scorche|sh | i was thinking of having a different sort of admin panel that we can use to remove themes from public eye, easily edit fields, etc |
| 00:52:41 | mcuelenaere | ahh shouldn't be that hard to make |
| 00:52:47 | linuxstb | Maybe we could borrow the forum's authentication system... |
| 00:52:58 | scorche|sh | it could even just be another few buttons onto the existing page after a login |
| 00:53:02 | mtz | I got this Sandisk Sansa Connect MP3-Player which is actually very cool (it got WIFI and its not expensive at all). And it runs Linux plus a Mono-UI. More Information was already collected on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaConnect |
| 00:53:05 | linuxstb | I assume usernames/passwords are just in a mysql table... |
| 00:53:15 | * | linuxstb remembers he has a mirror of the forum database... |
| 00:53:47 | * | linuxstb then remembers that PC died... |
| 00:53:48 | mtz | But Sansa Connect got a crappy Interface and it almost has none of the features it could have. |
| 00:54:36 | mcuelenaere | linuxstb: you mean only the username/password data or also the session data itself? (meaning imitating SMF) |
| 00:54:49 | mcuelenaere | so one doesn't have to login twice |
| 00:55:02 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: I was just thinking the username/password data, but sharing sessions would be even nicer... |
| 00:55:51 | mcuelenaere | I see forums.rockbox created a PHPSESSID cookie so they are using standard PHP sessions |
| 00:55:58 | mcuelenaere | (next to the SMF specific cookie) |
| 00:56:21 | mtz | Sandisk as well stopped improving the Connect as ZING, the Company who actually developped it got sold to DELL. There was also a yahoo-Streaming service but they stopped it as well, it will be continued on Rhadopsy, but without the Wireless-Download-Function. The Device is almost useless. |
| 00:56:40 | BigBambi | mtz: What is the question? |
| 00:56:58 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: I'm not sure about SMF's license though - so we (you...) need to be careful about copying code verbatim... |
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| 00:57:03 | mtz | Yeah, the Question. What would be needed to port Rockbox to Sansa Connect. Is it only the Bootloader-Code? |
| 00:57:19 | scorche|sh | linuxstb: it isnt a very great license.. |
| 00:57:22 | mcuelenaere | linuxstb: let's first see how SMF handles it |
| 00:57:34 | mcuelenaere | it is open source, isn't it? |
| 00:57:37 | linuxstb | scorche|sh: That's what I suspected... |
| 00:57:38 | BigBambi | mtz: You need to write drivers for all the hardware, and discover a way to run custom code |
| 00:57:40 | scorche|sh | http://www.simplemachines.org/about/license.php |
| 00:58:23 | BigBambi | mtz: The bootloader is typically a cut down Rockbox that initialises hardware and jumps to the main binary (or the OF if dual boot is done) |
| 00:58:25 | linuxstb | Hmm, "Any Distribution of this Package, whether as a Modified Package or not, requires express written consent from Simple Machines LLC."... |
| 00:58:27 | mtz | BigBambi: They published some Diffs (linked in http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaConnect ), would that be enough briefly? |
| 00:58:43 | scorche|sh | mtz: have you had a look at the NewPort wiki page? |
| 00:58:58 | mtz | Maybe i had some months ago, will do it again. |
| 00:58:59 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: No, I wouldn't call that an "open source" license - too many restrictions. |
| 00:59:00 | scorche|sh | you might want to have a chat with desowin whenever he comes around...i think he has one as well |
| 00:59:20 | scorche|sh | linuxstb: yup...it is the one thing i dislike about SMF =/ |
| 00:59:38 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: But it shouldn't be a problem - you just need to re-implement functions, rather than copy/paste. |
| 00:59:49 | mtz | Anyway, i wanna start a Petition to Sandisk with all the unsatisfied people in some Forums - what should i request from Sandisk / Zing? |
| 00:59:59 | mcuelenaere | linuxstb: yeah, I was thinking the same |
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| 01:00:06 | scorche|sh | mtz: petitions dont really work... |
| 01:00:15 | BigBambi | mtz: I doubt you will get anywhere |
| 01:00:22 | mtz | Ok. |
| 01:01:16 | mtz | But its such a cool device and they cut down all the functions. I can imagine it would even be good for them to open up the Device - as it was for Sansa 22x. |
| 01:02:14 | mtz | I know that Petitions wont help a lot. But still i wanna do something - without being a Developper myself (unfortunately). |
| 01:02:28 | scorche|sh | i dont see wha saying that in here will do for you.. |
| 01:03:27 | mcuelenaere | linuxstb: only problem will be that the standard cookie will only work for forums.rockbox.org and not for themes.rockbox.org; so that'll require an SMF hack |
| 01:03:36 | mtz | Do you have any hints? I'd even lend or give away my Sansa Connect to someone who could crack it better thain i can. |
| 01:03:39 | mcuelenaere | or is there some way to set this in the settings? |
| 01:04:19 | scorche|sh | mtz: as i said before, desowin has looked at is before...you might want to chat with him, or look around in a forum thread (if one exists) |
| 01:04:27 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: I don't think it's a problem to hack SMF. I don't know much about cookies - can you simply change it to something like *.rockbox.org ? |
| 01:04:52 | gevaerts | I would just do your own session management. Maybe reuse the users/passwords from SMF, but why try to reuse sessions? |
| 01:04:53 | mcuelenaere | yes AFAIK you can set it to that (or either rockbox.org) |
| 01:05:11 | mcuelenaere | gevaerts: user friendlyness? |
| 01:05:34 | mtz | Ok. Thanks anyways. I'll try to contact Desowin. |
| 01:05:39 | mcuelenaere | but anyway you're right, it isn't a priority |
| 01:06:15 | linuxstb | I guess we need to decide if we want users to log in before uploading themes? |
| 01:06:31 | linuxstb | It's a shame we're not sharing the wiki's authentication, as real-names are enforced there... |
| 01:07:19 | linuxstb | Unless we sync the wiki's htpasswd file... |
| 01:07:50 | * | amiconn dislikes our current wiki authentication |
| 01:07:59 | gevaerts | Since the wiki uses standard http authentication, you could try to login there with the user's data... |
| 01:08:04 | amiconn | Basic authentication without ssl ... |
| 01:08:27 | scorche|sh | wanting them to log in would be handy...(makes one part of the OCILLA easier to enforce as well)...and could also have a nice "my themes" button where authors could easily edit/update their own themes |
| 01:09:14 | mcuelenaere | the password seems to be sha1(strtolower($regOptions['username']) . $regOptions['password']) |
| 01:09:26 | linuxstb | scorche|sh: Yes, I was wondering about how authors could edit/update themes, but should an author have more rights than anyone else to a particular theme? |
| 01:11:09 | gevaerts | Does the forum database have a real name somewhere? |
| 01:11:41 | scorche|sh | linuxstb: hrm...i suppose not, but then again, that would be nice to spurn abuse....as in people could only upload their "remixed" versions and control those instead of maliciously ediing all the other themes |
| 01:12:21 | kugel | linuxstb: Would be nice if you |
| 01:12:31 | kugel | 'd answer my previous question |
| 01:12:33 | gevaerts | You want to allow bugfixes |
| 01:12:40 | linuxstb | gevaerts: I think just "username" and "name". "name" is what is shown in the forum - e.g. "linuxstb" for me. |
| 01:13:20 | BigBambi | We don't want the situation that if someone fixes a broken theme they upload the new identical (looking) one and the broken one remains |
| 01:13:20 | mcuelenaere | gevaerts, linuxstb: well the database table 'members' does have a realName entry.. |
| 01:14:02 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: In addition to "name" and "username" ? |
| 01:14:05 | scorche|sh | BigBambi: i would prefer that to allowing someone to come along and brutalize the existing themes (though we could incorporate a "restore" button) |
| 01:14:19 | scorche|sh | moderation can always come in and delete the abandoned one |
| 01:14:29 | gevaerts | Is that a problem now? |
| 01:14:31 | n1s | Maybe we could have some kind of versioning for themes so that when an update is uploaded by someone you can still get older version (for example if the update is bad) |
| 01:14:33 | mcuelenaere | linuxstb: yes, but that's just how the mysql table is organised; I don't know how the PHP code handles it.. |
| 01:14:37 | BigBambi | true, then we need some function to flag broken ones |
| 01:15:06 | linuxstb | n1s: Yes, I think we definitely need a versioning system. |
| 01:15:48 | gevaerts | The new theme would also need a new name then I guess. Not really desirable |
| 01:15:49 | mcuelenaere | linuxstb: hmm no perhaps I misunderstood; the database only has memberName & realName AFAICS |
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| 01:16:41 | linuxstb | gevaerts: I quite like your idea of checking usernames/passwords again the wiki though... |
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| 01:17:46 | * | mcuelenaere too |
| 01:17:54 | * | gevaerts finds a flaw in it |
| 01:18:15 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 01:18:18 | gevaerts | Just logging in isn't enough. You have to check for editing rights |
| 01:18:40 | * | mcuelenaere is thinking of making some kind of Twiki plugin; but that probably just be complicating things |
| 01:19:03 | linuxstb | gevaerts: That is done by grabbing the TwikiUsersGroup page |
| 01:20:13 | gevaerts | Can you trigger things on updates of the TwikiUsersGroup page? If so, you could easily sync password and rights files whenever they change |
| 01:22:07 | * | gevaerts doesn't really like the idea of not being able to log in because a server in another continent has problems |
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| 01:23:45 | * | mcuelenaere is going to bed |
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| 01:27:37 | linuxstb | gevaerts: If not, you could just have a simple cronjob running every few minutes that polls for changes to the htpasswd or TwikiUserGroup pages, and if they have changed, then merge the info and scp the file to the themes server. |
| 01:28:45 | gevaerts | That would work |
| 01:28:50 | * | linuxstb thinks the wiki's user database is preferable to the forums, even though it's more inconvenient |
| 01:29:35 | * | gevaerts thinks it's only more inconvenient at first sight |
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| 01:30:00 | linuxstb | The forums user database is in a convenient mysql table on the same server... |
| 01:30:33 | gevaerts | Yes, but with some important data missing |
| 01:31:10 | linuxstb | True. So it's simply not suitable... |
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| 01:33:42 | gevaerts | I can see one issue though. Wiki people and theme people will be disjoint sets I guess, so having to register on the wiki (which you will never edit) to use another site may be a bit unnatural |
| 01:35:43 | linuxstb | Maybe we could setup another "TWikiUsersGroup" page listing users with access to the themes site, and then change the wiki registration page so it looks like a "theme/wiki registration page" |
| 01:36:53 | linuxstb | The alternative is yet another registration system... |
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| 01:37:53 | gevaerts | That could work |
| 01:39:39 | * | linuxstb sees he has no rights to edit the TwikiRegistration page... |
| 01:39:40 | Soap | <saratoga> while I wouldn't be surprised if Apple pads their estimates a bit, thats still a very large difference in average current consumption |
| 01:40:07 | Soap | In my experience Apple's runtime quotes are actually conservative. Both my nano and 5G benched in at 10% longer than Apple claimed. |
| 01:41:19 | linuxstb | gevaerts: I agree it seems a little clunky though, so would welcome better ideas.... |
| 01:41:54 | gevaerts | I can't think of anything better right now. Unless we unify everything with a central database, anything we try will be clunky |
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| 01:46:57 | kugel | JdGordon: already awaken? |
| 01:47:19 | kugel | Anyway, I've done a bit pitchscreen work |
| 01:52:05 | linuxstb | kugel: I noticed in the logs you said it would be nice if I would answer your question - I did... |
| 01:52:24 | kugel | linuxstb: Yes, sorry. I haven't noticed it :S |
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| 01:53:37 | JdGordon | kugel: just before 10am here.... no barely :p |
| 01:54:20 | kugel | JdGordon: Just wondered, normally the you remove the zzz 1-2 hours later :) |
| 01:54:41 | kugel | back to pitchscreen, I think I've optimized it pretty well for small screens now |
| 01:56:09 | JdGordon | ill try to have a look tonight |
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| 02:09:00 | kugel | JdGordon: I uploaded my (hopefully) final patch version |
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| 02:27:07 | fiXXXerMet | Sansa e260r. I've transferred over some new music to my device, but rockbox doesn't detect any of it? |
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| 02:36:43 | linuxstb | fiXXXerMet: Do you mean you don't see it in the "Database" view, or you don't see it in the "Files" view, or both? |
| 02:38:03 | fiXXXerMet | linuxstb: Either. |
| 02:38:08 | fiXXXerMet | Under Files, it doesn't even show my Music folder. |
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| 02:38:27 | scorche|sh | how did you transfer music over? |
| 02:38:43 | fiXXXerMet | USB drag n drop |
| 02:38:49 | fiXXXerMet | Same as before. |
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| 02:39:05 | linuxstb | If you go to Settings -> General Settings -> File View -> Show Files, which option is selected? |
| 02:39:25 | linuxstb | (try changing it to All) |
| 02:39:30 | fiXXXerMet | OK, hold on. |
| 02:39:43 | fiXXXerMet | It booted back into the original firmware and is "refreshing database" |
| 02:39:45 | fiXXXerMet | Should I let it finish? |
| 02:40:23 | linuxstb | I would guess so, but I don't own a Sansa. |
| 02:40:30 | Soap | Was your sansa in MTP or MSC mode when you transfered files? |
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| 02:41:15 | Soap | Let it finish, but that is not what you problem is - that "refreshing database" notification is all about the original firmware, it has no impact on Rockbox's ability to see your music. |
| 02:41:23 | fiXXXerMet | OK. |
| 02:41:44 | fiXXXerMet | Soap: MTP or MSC mode from rockbox or original firmware? |
| 02:42:00 | Soap | Rockbox has no USB mode - so I'm talking about the original firmware. |
| 02:42:19 | Soap | (that came out pissy, didn't mean to be pissy) |
| 02:42:25 | fiXXXerMet | (no problem) |
| 02:42:33 | fiXXXerMet | Going to Show Files => All shows the files |
| 02:42:40 | fiXXXerMet | Supported was selected. |
| 02:44:00 | linuxstb | You should read the section in the Rockbox manual about updating the database. |
| 02:44:08 | linuxstb | (the Rockbox database) |
| 02:44:14 | fiXXXerMet | Alright, I will |
| 02:44:54 | linuxstb | The Sandisk firmware marks the "Music" folder as hidden, which is why it doesn't show by default. I'm not sure, but I think most people put their music elsewhere - e.g. in an "Audio" folder, to prevent that problem |
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| 02:46:05 | fiXXXerMet | Wow, rockbox has some amazing documentation. :) |
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| 02:52:04 | fiXXXerMet | Alright, had to update the database (doing so now) |
| 02:52:09 | fiXXXerMet | Also found the "load to ram" option :) |
| 02:52:14 | fiXXXerMet | Thanks for the help, men! |
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| 03:24:30 | wolff | OH NO I RUINED MY IPOD !!! |
| 03:24:52 | wolff | it says Rockbox loaded but then NOTHING ELSE HAPPENS |
| 03:25:00 | Soap | wolff, Unless you hit it with a hammer I seriously doubt you caused any damage. |
| 03:25:06 | wolff | and now when i plug it into my computer it doesn't recognize it.. NO!!!!!!!! |
| 03:25:19 | Soap | Let's calm down, step back, and deliver unto the channel some details. |
| 03:25:19 | wolff | I deleted all the rockbox files off it |
| 03:25:26 | wolff | and put on the newest version |
| 03:25:30 | wolff | using the windows explorer |
| 03:25:31 | Soap | stop |
| 03:25:59 | wolff | what can I do ? |
| 03:26:19 | Soap | Please start by telling a step-by-step narrative of what you did, OS, Ipod model, software used, keys pressed - all that. |
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| 03:26:31 | ColdMonster | hello every body |
| 03:26:37 | ColdMonster | i need a litle help |
| 03:26:41 | ColdMonster | is some one here? |
| 03:26:42 | Soap | All I know now, and all you have told anyone, is that you have an iPod, and you think you messed something up. Very little information. |
| 03:27:00 | ColdMonster | no no |
| 03:27:18 | wolff | :( |
| 03:27:19 | scorche|sh | wolff: try installing rockbox using rbutil as said in the manual |
| 03:27:34 | ColdMonster | its like this my hold button is messed up doenst work is there any whay to start original firmware without the hold button |
| 03:27:36 | Soap | ColdMonster, that was to wolff. There are 116 other people here - you just need to state your question and hope someone will answer it. Never ask to ask. |
| 03:27:39 | wolff | looks like it is frozen.. my ipod |
| 03:27:45 | wolff | yeah but now when i plug it into my computer nothing shows up ! |
| 03:27:53 | Soap | wolff, please give me the details I asked for. |
| 03:28:02 | wolff | ok so here is what i did |
| 03:28:06 | scorche|sh | wolff: in the manual there are also instructuins on how to reset your ipod and enter disk mode.. |
| 03:28:07 | ColdMonster | ah ok so how to i state my question |
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| 03:28:57 | Soap | well, you kind of stated it while I was typing that - so...IIRC pressing "Menu" while the iPod is booting will also take you to Apple OS. The manual should say - but IIRC "Menu" |
| 03:29:00 | wolff | i downloaded the latest version of the software |
| 03:29:12 | wolff | then i replaced all files on the drive in that folder |
| 03:29:19 | wolff | and when i safely removed it |
| 03:29:35 | wolff | and the ipod restarted ... it showed the beginning screen |
| 03:29:36 | Soap | wolff, what version? What iPod? What computer OS? But as scorche said - there are instructions in the manual on how to reset your iPod and then force it into Apple's Disk Mode. |
| 03:29:48 | scorche|sh | wolff: when speaking in here, please keep complete thoughts on one line....it is much easier to read... |
| 03:30:03 | wolff | then it says.... Rockbox boot loader... blah blah blah.... and Rockbox loaded. as the last line |
| 03:30:07 | wolff | Windows XP |
| 03:30:16 | wolff | Nano 1st generation |
| 03:30:39 | scorche|sh | you arent listening... |
| 03:31:10 | wolff | sorry I'll type everything on 1 line now |
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| 03:31:44 | wolff | AHHH.. loading origional firmware !! |
| 03:31:48 | wolff | Thanks Soap !!! |
| 03:31:58 | wolff | :-) |
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| 03:34:26 | wolff | I donated $5 |
| 03:34:30 | wolff | thanks guys |
| 03:34:34 | wolff | appreciate it |
| 03:34:42 | wolff | rockbox rules |
| 03:35:04 | Soap | beer time, scorche. |
| 03:35:12 | Soap | ;) |
| 03:35:14 | * | scorche|sh has none ='( |
| 03:35:34 | * | scorche|sh makes a withdrawl from the fund |
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| 03:37:54 | Soap | you good now, ColdMonster? |
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| 03:40:02 | wolff | that was easy to update the software |
| 03:40:14 | wolff | working great now... so glad i didn't ruin it lol |
| 03:40:52 | wolff | i mean shit.. i just pulled out the battery and put a new one in it... soldered it on and everything... so yea that woulda sucked if i couldnt fix it ;) |
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| 03:45:42 | Soap | Like I said originally, w/o a hammer you will have a hard time killing an iPod. |
| 03:45:50 | ColdMonster | soz i went to the bathroom let me just see what you wrote |
| 03:48:04 | wolff | hehe yeah Soap.. thanks again buddy |
| 03:48:35 | ColdMonster | soap you here? |
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| 03:52:09 | ColdMonster | Soap thank you it solved my problem |
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| 03:57:53 | ColdMonster | ah and just one thing the themes arent showing has they should show |
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| 03:59:53 | bd_ | It looks like the sansa port has gained proper usb support since I last tried it... Problem is, I'm getting a media not present error when I try to access the internal memory. Is there something I need to do to prepare it, like dismounting the filesystem or something? I'm on linux if it matters, and using the very latest svn (just checked out and built) |
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| 04:01:07 | bd_ | all the FAQs seem to claim it doesn't have USB support, which according to my dmesg is no longer true :) |
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| 04:04:20 | scorche|sh | rockbox doesnt currently have USB support unless you recompile with a few changes as said here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PortalPlayerUsb |
| 04:05:33 | bd_ | scorche|sh: er, it does :) |
| 04:05:39 | bd_ | [400113.593282] scsi 13:0:0:0: Direct-Access Rockbox Internal Storage 0.00 PQ: 0 ANSI: 4 |
| 04:05:44 | bd_ | [400113.602302] sd 13:0:0:0: [sdd] Attached SCSI removable disk |
| 04:05:58 | bd_ | I don't know if it's broken, but it's definitely advertising a usb-storage device |
| 04:06:24 | bd_ | this is all just a default, normal build |
| 04:07:04 | Soap | ColdMonster, on the themes issue...Are you running a new build when previously you had been running a > 1 month old build? |
| 04:07:29 | bd_ | scorche|sh: the only problem is I'm getting a media not present error... |
| 04:08:20 | Soap | I assume you are - if you are not I assume you installed the themes with RBUtil - the themes it downloads are (almost) all broken by a recent change to the While Playing Screen code. A replacement theme site is in the works, but until that comes on-line you should look at the wiki galleries for working themes - it is your best bet. |
| 04:08:58 | Soap | Not all of those themes are working, either, but more of them are - and there is a detailed sticky thread in the forums discussing what changes to WPS code were made and what you need to do to repair broken themes. |
| 04:09:14 | ColdMonster | ahhh |
| 04:09:21 | ColdMonster | this explains a lot |
| 04:09:26 | Soap | (did that last line come through complete? it didn't echo properly on my end) |
| 04:09:39 | ColdMonster | yes it did |
| 04:09:42 | Soap | goo |
| 04:09:45 | Soap | good |
| 04:09:58 | ColdMonster | going to search a working one and installe it manualy |
| 04:10:35 | bd_ | scorche|sh: aha, I was on one of the debug menus when I plugged in the cable - I guess this suppressed the reboot? |
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| 04:13:15 | ColdMonster | well got to go cya all thanks for the help |
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| 06:38:35 | wharfratpat | hello |
| 06:39:37 | wharfratpat | i need some assistance in getting my f10 to recognize mp3 folders |
| 06:40:06 | scorche|sh | what do you mean? |
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| 06:41:17 | wharfratpat | im trying to put albums on it,,,,each album is in a folder and in each folder/album are the songs in mp3 format |
| 06:41:41 | scorche|sh | and how are you trying to move those folders over? |
| 06:41:43 | wharfratpat | i see sat files that are recognized |
| 06:41:48 | wharfratpat | usb |
| 06:42:04 | scorche|sh | i mean with what program? |
| 06:42:06 | wharfratpat | just dragging them over |
| 06:42:23 | wharfratpat | its noit mine....just trying to get songs onto it for a freind |
| 06:42:31 | wharfratpat | i know nothin about it |
| 06:42:49 | scorche|sh | are you using rockbox on it? |
| 06:42:49 | * | wharfratpat is an ipod guy |
| 06:42:59 | wharfratpat | no |
| 06:43:06 | scorche|sh | then why are you here? |
| 06:43:19 | wharfratpat | just trying to get it get albums on it |
| 06:43:20 | scorche|sh | this is #rockbox....where we talk about rockbox-related items only |
| 06:43:27 | wharfratpat | i dont know where to start |
| 06:43:43 | scorche|sh | this is not a general help channel |
| 06:43:45 | wharfratpat | wikipedia had this link on it and it says rockbox can be used on the f10 |
| 06:44:14 | scorche|sh | yes it can |
| 06:45:03 | wharfratpat | will it allow me to put album folders with mp3s on it? |
| 06:45:16 | scorche|sh | it will |
| 06:45:26 | wharfratpat | sorry...im not familair with this type of player |
| 06:45:46 | * | wharfratpat is ignorant but willing to learn |
| 06:46:03 | scorche|sh | be aware though that rockbox is not a computer program...it is a replacement firmware for the device |
| 06:46:31 | wharfratpat | ok...if i put rockbox firmware on the f10 will it fprmat it? |
| 06:46:37 | wharfratpat | format? |
| 06:47:13 | scorche|sh | it will not...you can see the manual for installation instructions and such |
| 06:47:44 | wharfratpat | he has songs on there that are sat format which i beleive is a encryption particualr to the f10 |
| 06:47:53 | wharfratpat | correct? |
| 06:48:18 | scorche|sh | rockbox will not read the sat files |
| 06:48:33 | wharfratpat | so if i put rockbox on the device....firmware change...will it delete waht is on it right now? |
| 06:49:15 | scorche|sh | no |
| 06:49:35 | wharfratpat | but....they wont be readable since they are sat...correct? |
| 06:49:43 | scorche|sh | not in rockbox |
| 06:50:09 | wharfratpat | i apprecate the help btw |
| 06:50:27 | wharfratpat | just making sure i dont mess anything up |
| 06:50:32 | wharfratpat | :) |
| 06:51:22 | wharfratpat | ok....i know this is not a genral forum for the f10 but is there a program that will aloow me to add mp3 folders on the f10? |
| 06:51:34 | scorche|sh | if you know it is off-topic then why ask it? |
| 06:51:36 | wharfratpat | other than rockbox? |
| 06:51:47 | scorche|sh | and rockbox is not a program...as i already said |
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| 06:51:52 | wharfratpat | i know |
| 06:52:02 | wharfratpat | firmware |
| 06:52:59 | wharfratpat | i just dont know where to start...can you possibly point me in the right direction? |
| 06:53:14 | scorche|sh | the manual is a good start as i have also already suggested ;) |
| 06:53:25 | wharfratpat | i dont have one |
| 06:53:34 | scorche|sh | the rockbox manual |
| 06:56:42 | wharfratpat | what do i do with the sat files thatare already on it? any conversion i can do since rockbox doesnt support sat encryption format? |
| 06:59:42 | scorche|sh | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatFXPort#Remove_SAT_Encryption_Optional |
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| 07:31:59 | matehortua | jejeje RTFM jeje |
| 07:33:57 | scorche|sh | matehortua: unnecessary.. |
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| 07:58:56 | matehortua | sorry scorche |
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| 08:01:38 | matehortua | i entered this room, to ask if there is any reason why Rockbox doesnt work on IpodClassic |
| 08:02:04 | matehortua | or if there is any advance or workaround to make it work? |
| 08:02:09 | scorche|sh | no one is currently working on it |
| 08:02:31 | matehortua | why does it not work on this version? |
| 08:02:40 | matehortua | whats so different about it? |
| 08:02:58 | scorche|sh | many reasons really...encryption, completely different hardware, etc |
| 08:03:15 | scorche|sh | see: http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2007/09/18/rockbox-on-the-ipod-classic/ |
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| 08:20:26 | matehortua | scorche|sh: do you use linux? |
| 08:22:09 | matehortua | what software do you use or recommend me to work your iPod in Linux ? |
| 08:23:36 | GodEater | cp/mv/rsync |
| 08:24:44 | matehortua | ? |
| 08:25:10 | GodEater | those are three pieces of software that I use to "work my ipod" in linux |
| 08:26:08 | matehortua | i suppose becouse you have RockBox working on it |
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| 08:26:13 | BigBambi | I just drag and drop, same as with Windows or anything else |
| 08:26:23 | BigBambi | matehortua: Er yes, this is #rockbox.... |
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| 08:26:31 | GodEater | well if you *don't* have rockbox working on it, you're in the wrong place |
| 08:26:32 | matehortua | jejejeje yep |
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| 08:27:09 | matehortua | im trying but i yust learned that Rockbox doesnt support my iPod Classic |
| 08:27:10 | matehortua | :) |
| 08:27:28 | GodEater | in which case - you're seeking support in the wrong place |
| 08:27:32 | BigBambi | Then please don't ask generic ipod questions here |
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| 08:28:23 | matehortua | i wanna change my iPod S.O or firmware, if Rockbox doesnt support do you have any other recomendation? |
| 08:28:37 | BigBambi | No |
| 08:28:39 | GodEater | there isn't any other firmware for it |
| 08:29:50 | matehortua | ok, hope someday you support it, till then tanx BigBambi and GodEater for the aggresive help |
| 08:29:52 | matehortua | bye |
| 08:30:09 | * | BigBambi kicks GodEater right in his help gland |
| 08:30:22 | massiveH | that's gotta smart... |
| 08:30:26 | * | GodEater had it removed, and it's in a jar on the shelf |
| 08:30:37 | GodEater | so you should probably pick the glass out of your foot |
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| 10:04:53 | Llorean | Hi. Saw a recent commit by sdoyan. I don't really understand the language stuff, but it kinda looks to me like it hard-codes the units to read "s" and "min" independent of language? Did he talk over the commit in here at all, since I thought preglow had been talking about a fix for this? |
| 10:05:17 | Llorean | In fact, I haven't heard much from him at all except drive by commits from time to time. |
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| 10:06:47 | pixelma | I was really surprised by that commit too, esecially thinking about preglow's work on it too. And I also wondered if that was something that "violated" the feature freeze |
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| 10:07:39 | Llorean | I don't think simply changing the units would've violated the feature freeze. |
| 10:07:59 | Llorean | But to me that seems like it would've been a simpler change than what this is. |
| 10:08:09 | pixelma | and I would also like to see more communication |
| 10:08:17 | Llorean | Simply changing the units to seconds, then multiplying all the current values * 60 and adding a few lower ones. |
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| 10:11:45 | Llorean | I will also admit I'd have like to have just heard more from him before making the change anyway. Since people had discussed it both ways in here, it seems somewhat unilateral of him to commit the change without at least first showing up with a patch on it, since he was in effect reverting a portion of the change that renamed it "Skip Length" |
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| 10:16:02 | linuxstb | Llorean: Regarding the hard-coded "s" and "mini", IIUC, that's how it was before - the unit names seem hard-coded as English in apps/gui/option_select.c. But I think the patch should use UNIT_SEC/UNIT_MIN instead of the literal strings. |
| 10:16:47 | Llorean | linuxstb: Ah. All I was looking at was the diff where he was replacing a variable for units with a static string in a few places. |
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| 10:18:05 | Llorean | I personally would've preferred 900 s to 15 min if it would mean it was easier to be multilingual, but since apparently it's not either way |
| 10:18:06 | * | Llorean shrug |
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| 10:52:53 | amiconn | Llorean: Changing the formatter to use the localised unit isn't difficult. But I'm kinda pissed by sdoyon committing stuff without any preceding discussion. Btw, it's not the first time... |
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| 10:57:04 | JdGordon | oohh... whats he dont this time? |
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| 10:57:37 | Llorean | JdGordon: Some changes to Skip Length (adding seconds back into the mix, possibly in not the best way) and doing something with the Time reading |
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| 10:59:02 | JdGordon | eek |
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| 11:06:21 | * | amiconn doesn't understand why one could need skip lengths in the seconds range. Seeking is more flexible... |
| 11:07:30 | n1s | amiconn: for blind users i can imagine it is easier to know how far you skip if it is set to a fixed skip length than if you search as there is no voice feedback for seeking iirc |
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| 11:12:40 | Llorean | amiconn: I can understand 30 seconds. And MAYBE 15. |
| 11:12:44 | Llorean | But 1, 2, 3, and 5... |
| 11:13:42 | * | linuxstb would probably use something like 5 seconds if he used the feature (which he would if it was on a button-combo, rather than a setting) |
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| 11:39:51 | * | JdGordon finds the case discussion funny |
| 11:41:11 | JdGordon | has anyone else started fixing up the skip setting? |
| 11:46:01 | linuxstb | sdoyon's commit? |
| 11:46:28 | JdGordon | yeah, i tihnk it coud be done a bit nicer |
| 11:46:55 | linuxstb | How? The only problem I can see is that it should use UNIT_MIN/UNIT_SEC instead of "s" and "min". |
| 11:47:19 | JdGordon | also hardcoding the valid values in defeats the purpose of using the TABLE_SETTING macro |
| 11:53:36 | JdGordon | do these values look better? The point of th setting is more for minute jumping, not seconds so there should be more > 60... |
| 11:53:37 | JdGordon | 0,2,7,10,20,30,45,60,90,120,180,300,600,900 |
| 11:54:34 | Llorean | sdoyan seems to think the point of it is more for second jumping. |
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| 12:00:54 | Llorean | JdGordon: If you could fix it without changing the values, I think that may be better. Otherwise it's just going to spawn an argument about the purpose of the function, since it's pretty clear sdoyan thinks it's for very small skips. |
| 12:01:30 | linuxstb | I agree - keep the two issues separate. |
| 12:01:35 | JdGordon | right, but it does allow arbitrary values so if you manually edit config.cfg you can put whatever you want |
| 12:02:09 | JdGordon | but ok, fair enhough |
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| 12:07:54 | pondlife | Should the home page news mention the feature freeze? |
| 12:08:04 | petur | it should |
| 12:08:32 | BigBambi_ | Everyone combine to put forth their Swede summoning powers! |
| 12:08:45 | pondlife | Bork |
| 12:09:21 | Llorean | JdGordon: You have an e200? |
| 12:09:36 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 12:09:59 | Llorean | Any chance you could test this (mainly just because you're around, and it may be related to sdoyan's time-screen commit) http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9297 |
| 12:10:22 | linuxstb | BigBambi_: You mean "Bagder_: ping" ? |
| 12:10:25 | Llorean | I can't seem to find about half the players I broguht to devcon. =/ |
| 12:10:49 | BigBambi_ | linuxstb: That feels like cheating somehow |
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| 12:12:22 | JdGordon | Llorean: not atm, in a few hours maybe.... |
| 12:12:55 | Llorean | I just realized it probably means line-scrolling not "wheel scrolling" |
| 12:12:59 | Llorean | So maybe I can test on my gigabeat |
| 12:13:23 | pixelma | Llorean: did you leeve them in the socks? ;) |
| 12:13:29 | pixelma | leave too |
| 12:14:19 | Llorean | pixelma: No, I definitely removed them from the socks. |
| 12:14:31 | Llorean | I just put them someplace "safe" in the name of "finally getting the new apartment more organized" |
| 12:14:43 | Llorean | JdGordon: Ah, yeah, if lines are supposed to scroll, they definitely aren't now. |
| 12:15:20 | JdGordon | :/ *shocked* .... totally shocked :p |
| 12:16:13 | Llorean | Well, I don't know if they did before, I never used that screen, and my font's pretty small anyway |
| 12:16:24 | pondlife | They used to scroll |
| 12:16:30 | Llorean | Well they definitely don't now. |
| 12:16:31 | Llorean | :( |
| 12:16:36 | pondlife | Read my comment on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9297 |
| 12:16:59 | pondlife | I've been over this before, didn't realise that sdoyon's fix broke scrolling though |
| 12:17:21 | pondlife | (IIRC, I explicitly told him to check this... |
| 12:17:22 | pondlife | ) |
| 12:17:39 | Llorean | I thought most of the things he removed were things explicitly added in the past to make sure scrolling can keep working |
| 12:17:47 | Llorean | I seem to recall problems on that screen in a similar vein in the past |
| 12:18:01 | pondlife | The list code has a talk_shutup() (or whatever it is) that stops voice output if a list handler returns ACTION_NONE. |
| 12:18:12 | pondlife | This was added to shut up the voice quickly when browsing |
| 12:18:22 | pondlife | A good idea, but it backfires here |
| 12:18:46 | pondlife | Better to remove all voice support from the list code itself, and make the speech callbacks responsible |
| 12:18:56 | pondlife | Then we can have our cake and eat it... |
| 12:19:12 | pondlife | Or rather, have our voice that shuts up nicely, and still scroll |
| 12:19:35 | pondlife | I might be over-simplifying - best to see if sdoyon can comment further |
| 12:20:16 | pondlife | That poor screen has never had both voice and scrolling working nicely. ;) |
| 12:21:16 | Llorean | Voicing was working somewhat decently before wasn't it? |
| 12:21:18 | pixelma | yeah, I remember that going back and forth... |
| 12:21:34 | Llorean | Like, not perfect, but at least it voiced *and* scrolled |
| 12:21:38 | pondlife | Yes, but the talk_shutup() stuff in gui/list.c broke it |
| 12:21:50 | pondlife | IIRC, of course... it's been a while |
| 12:23:32 | pondlife | Sorry, I mean voiced and scrolled and updated the clock |
| 12:23:35 | Llorean | From the task entry (I wish he'd used FS# instead of B# so I don't have to type it each time i go back) it sounds like he knew it'd break scrolling. =/ |
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| 13:14:47 | patrakov | I have installed rockbox onto my iPod Video 80GB. May I use it to benchmark my own code (not meant for inclusion into rockbox) on the ARM CPU? If so, where to start reading? |
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| 13:22:44 | LinusN | patrakov: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowtoWritePlugins |
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| 13:24:09 | patrakov | LinusN: thanks - which functions do I need in order to measure the time consumed by my code? |
| 13:24:46 | LinusN | 1) you can read the tick counter, which has a 10ms resolution |
| 13:24:59 | LinusN | 2) you can use a hardware timer |
| 13:25:31 | LinusN | you can check the stopwatch and mpegplayer plugins for reference |
| 13:25:42 | patrakov | OK, will do. |
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| 13:27:50 | patrakov | and, how much should I scale the testcase down? I.e., on Core 2 Duo E6420 @ 2.13 GHz a testcase involving 1000000 sampes eats approximately 3 seconds (scales linearly with the number of samples), how many samples do I want to test in rockbox? |
| 13:30:39 | Llorean | Why not measure a very, very small amount to get an idea of how long would be reasonable? Remember these are 80mhz lower power CPUs. |
| 13:31:06 | patrakov | will try. thanks |
| 13:33:32 | linuxstb | On the ipod, you probably want to use the USEC_TIMER macro - this is a 32-bit microsecond timer. e.g. "now = USEC_TIMER;". |
| 13:34:46 | LinusN | linuxstb: ah, i forgot about that one |
| 13:35:18 | patrakov | Soap: old = USEC_TIMER; my_code(); elapsed = USEC_TIMER - old; would give me the execution time of my_code() in microseconds? |
| 13:35:48 | linuxstb | Yes |
| 13:36:16 | * | GodEater wonders why Soap has been invoked |
| 13:36:26 | linuxstb | You can confirm by making my_code() just be "rb->sleep(5*HZ);" - that should sleep for 5 seconds. |
| 13:36:42 | linuxstb | (assuming you're writing a plugin) |
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| 15:28:40 | patrakov | hm. when converted to a plugin, my code crashes. thanks for letting me notice this :) |
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| 15:29:39 | linuxstb | Is there an error message, or does it just freeze? |
| 15:29:47 | patrakov | just freezes. OTOH, am I allowed to use large static tables like this? static const int32_t auf[9][24][256] = {...} |
| 15:30:28 | linuxstb | The stack is only 9KB, but static arrays should be fine (the linker will complain if they are too big) |
| 15:30:43 | linuxstb | On the ipods, plugins have 512KB for code and data. |
| 15:30:45 | patrakov | Ah, so it is the stack |
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| 15:34:01 | patrakov | OTOH, still strange, because the stack usage is big in the function that is definitely not reached (unless display updates after rb->splash() are asynchronous). let me debug the problem by commenting put parts of my code then. |
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| 15:37:08 | n1s | shouldn't a stack overflow result in a stkov panic? |
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| 15:38:40 | patrakov | no, it was definitely a stack overflow. overlooked one function |
| 15:38:43 | linuxstb | n1s: In theory, but the stack is only checked on task switches (IIUC), so the damage may not be noticed before it causes a crash |
| 15:39:52 | n1s | ah |
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| 15:41:04 | linuxstb | I've experienced freezes before which have been caused by stack overflows |
| 15:45:59 | patrakov | oops, thunderstorm here. will continue debugging later. thanks for your help! |
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| 16:04:38 | ikm | hi people |
| 16:04:44 | Llorean | LinusN: Isn't the 300 byte limit only applicable to the database? I seem to recall the tags still display fine in the WPS. |
| 16:06:09 | ikm | sorry to bother, but does anyone know the current status of the mp3 encoder used by the recording screen on iriver? how good does it performs, is it still the shine-based code? sorry to bother, but the wiki doesn't seem to reflect much on the current state |
| 16:06:44 | LinusN | Llorean: i'm not sure, really |
| 16:06:56 | Llorean | ikm: It hasn't really had many changed applied to it any time recently. There's always the changelog to see how recently a given file has been updated. |
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| 16:07:35 | petur | ikm: iirc there was a patch in the tracker with enhancements, don't know if it is committed already |
| 16:07:41 | Llorean | LinusN: I *think* in regards to talk of the behaviour on the forums it's usually the database they're complaining about. Having three songs from the same album where for one the artist is "Motley Cr" and other "Motl" and the third "Mo" |
| 16:07:42 | Llorean | Etc. |
| 16:08:01 | LinusN | aha |
| 16:08:17 | petur | let's just remove the database then.... |
| 16:09:00 | Llorean | But I'm not *certain* either way whether the tags still show up right in the WPS. |
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| 16:09:59 | ikm | Llorean petur: thanks i'll take a look |
| 16:10:07 | petur | ikm: just checked, that patch is in SVN now, so quality should be better now |
| 16:10:21 | petur | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9007 |
| 16:10:27 | petur | http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/codecs/mp3_enc.c?view=log |
| 16:14:38 | ikm | petur: thank you |
| 16:15:16 | ikm | i tried recording and well, it seems to be working, though don't know for how much time the battery would hold with this encoder. |
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| 16:16:41 | ikm | what's nice is that it records something like 25 minutes without turning on hd and trashing the record with it, that's why i'm interested mostly |
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| 16:25:46 | ikm | sissy missy and crissy |
| 16:25:55 | ikm | bye then, thanks:) |
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| 16:46:32 | ColdMonster | Hi every body |
| 16:46:55 | ColdMonster | just one fast thing what kind of movies files does rockbox supports |
| 16:47:00 | BigBambi | MPEG1/2 |
| 16:47:08 | ColdMonster | just those? |
| 16:47:11 | BigBambi | See www.rockbox.org/wiki/PluginMpegplayer |
| 16:47:15 | BigBambi | yes, just those |
| 16:47:36 | ColdMonster | thanks BigBambi |
| 16:47:37 | preglow | any reason units in rockbox aren't translated? |
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| 16:47:54 | preglow | things like "s" and "min" seem to be hardcoded |
| 16:49:01 | linuxstb | preglow: I was wondering that... The voicing seems to be translated though. |
| 16:51:06 | preglow | linuxstb: yeah, so i see no reason the text isn't |
| 16:51:24 | preglow | i was going to implement what sdoyon just did, and jumped across that |
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| 17:31:53 | n3kl | Hi. I have an alpine deck in my car. Wondering if anyone has seen this work. I tried it this morning and I got nothing, but perhaps someone in here knows of a hack or something? |
| 17:35:23 | Llorean | n3kl: You might want to be a little more specific as to what you're asking about. |
| 17:35:59 | Llorean | At the moment I'm not entirely sure what you're asking about in relation to Rockbox. |
| 17:37:07 | n3kl | I have a car stereo that has an ipod interface. The deck communicates with the ipod directly, but I don't know how. Wondering if there is a way to get rockbox to work on this deck? |
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| 17:39:31 | Llorean | n3kl: Well there's a patch in the tracker for the beginning of support for the iPod accessory protocol. |
| 17:39:48 | Llorean | That's probably not going to get it fully working, but it's where you'd want to begin if you want to help contribute. |
| 17:40:43 | n3kl | Llorean: can you link me to the patch, if you don't mind? |
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| 17:41:27 | petur | I guess http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginAlpineCDC is not relevant here? |
| 17:41:44 | Llorean | n3kl: Just search the tracker, I'd have to search for it too anyway. See the "patches" link on the left bar. |
| 17:41:49 | Llorean | petur: That's for the Archos, I believe. |
| 17:41:56 | petur | yes |
| 17:41:57 | webguest97 | I have some chinese music and am trying to create .talk clips for it. Unfortunately, rbutil is just showing the "ok" button even when the clips were not made and voicebox+ is giving me an error about some missing ). Could somebody help? I was able to make english clips fine. |
| 17:43:13 | n3kl | Llorean: found it. Thanks. I will see where I might be able to help. |
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| 19:24:50 | amiconn | Is anyone going to revert r18309, or in favour of doing so? |
| 19:25:24 | amiconn | Trading one bug for the other isn't what I'd call a fix... |
| 19:26:47 | gevaerts | It was during the freeze. If it introduces any problem at all, I'd say revert |
| 19:28:07 | amiconn | It fixes the voice problem, at the cost of reintroducing the scroll problem |
| 19:28:46 | amiconn | I'm not talking about the insane skip lengths, those are debatable but don not introduce a bug |
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| 19:31:54 | linuxstb | It sounds to me as if it should be reverted - pondlife has said he thinks he warned sdoyon about breaking scrolling in the past... |
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| 19:32:31 | amiconn | Is there something in the logs? |
| 19:32:59 | linuxstb | I'm referring to what pondlife said here about 7 hours ago |
| 19:34:02 | amiconn | I noticed that , but I'd prefer to know when where the actual warning was given (here or on the ml, whatever) |
| 19:34:25 | linuxstb | I've no idea. |
| 19:34:34 | bertrik | what exactly is the scrolling bug? it seems to work fine here on e200, preparing to test c200 now |
| 19:37:09 | bertrik | oh, horizontal scrolling |
| 19:38:38 | bertrik | the battery level text scrolls left/right, but the version text does not |
| 19:38:51 | linuxstb | amiconn: Hmm, reading the FS task, pondlife actually told sdoyon to commit.... http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9167 |
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| 19:47:27 | amiconn | weird |
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| 20:06:49 | rasher | Eugh... What does LANG_BOOKMARK_SHUFFLE do, and why does it start with a comma? This smells like trouble |
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| 20:12:14 | beta2k | Hey all |
| 20:13:29 | beta2k | I've got a Gigabeat F20 with r17749 that won't go into bootloader |
| 20:13:46 | beta2k | bootloader usb mode taht is |
| 20:14:07 | beta2k | nor will it be detected by a computer over usb |
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| 20:15:23 | fml | Hello. What is the difference between queue_send and queue_post? Will events sent with queue_post be handled asynchronously? |
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| 20:42:03 | toffe82 | beta2k: it is not detected at all ? did you try the OF ? |
| 20:44:07 | fml | hrm... Do I undestand it correctly that the code in drivers/button.c and the code in firmware/backlight.c runs in two different threads? |
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| 20:44:41 | star_jasmine | hi... I have a possible bug that I wonder if anyone could help with. I'm using a sansa e200 running the current build of rockbox. the resume playback used to resume, but it now will randomly drop me at other points in the file. I am using .m4a files tha are lengthy |
| 20:46:38 | gevaerts | Which revision were you running before (the one where it worked) ? |
| 20:47:52 | star_jasmine | r17907 |
| 20:48:04 | star_jasmine | r17907-080701 sorry |
| 20:48:15 | Reptile211 | my ipod mini is dead!!!! |
| 20:48:48 | star_jasmine | I forgot the date on the first one |
| 20:49:08 | gevaerts | No problem. The revision (the first bit) is most interesting anyway |
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| 20:50:26 | linuxstb | Reptile211: Sorry to hear that. Why are you telling us? |
| 20:51:04 | gevaerts | So either bookmarks or m4a broke |
| 20:51:32 | star_jasmine | the recent bookmarks that are separate from resume playback work just fine, but when play is pressed after it is either powered on, or stopped, many times, the position won't be remembered |
| 20:51:44 | star_jasmine | yes |
| 20:51:50 | star_jasmine | I haven't tried with mp3s |
| 20:51:51 | Reptile211 | because i want to share my grief |
| 20:51:55 | star_jasmine | or any other formats |
| 20:52:46 | * | gevaerts looks around for people who touched m4a or bookmarks during the last two months |
| 20:53:07 | amiconn | Did m4a resume ever work? |
| 20:53:37 | star_jasmine | yes |
| 20:54:16 | star_jasmine | in the build that I posted to the channel. r17907-080701 |
| 20:54:47 | star_jasmine | it is hit and miss now |
| 20:55:39 | * | gevaerts shows his ignorance for a bit |
| 20:55:51 | gevaerts | Is m4a a container format, or does it imply a specific codec? |
| 20:55:51 | RalpH_himself | hi there! I have a problem with my self-brewed WPS, the following line doen't work: %?lh<%t1%xdh;%t1%xdi|> |
| 20:55:52 | beta2k | toffe82: Can't boot it to USB mode to remove the RB loader :) |
| 20:56:38 | pixelma | RalpH_himself: you can't put the %t inside the conditional |
| 20:56:47 | saratoga | m4a is ALAC and AAC (at the moment) |
| 20:56:58 | RalpH_himself | thanks, problem solved |
| 20:57:00 | beta2k | and since no one has been able to get dual boot working... :( |
| 20:57:29 | RalpH_himself | @pixelma: works %t before the conditional or some other workaraound? |
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| 20:57:50 | star_jasmine | well, when itunes says encode to aac, puts the extension .m4a. I'm not sure. would it be mp4 then? *shrug* |
| 20:58:26 | RalpH_himself | star_jasmine: one of them is protected, the other one is not |
| 20:58:57 | pixelma | yes, it works before - you could write it like that: %t4%?lh<%xdh|>;%t4%?lh<%xdi|> |
| 20:59:20 | linuxstb | RalpH_himself: No, "m4p" is the convention for encrypted files. |
| 20:59:20 | star_jasmine | this isn't protected |
| 20:59:34 | star_jasmine | it is unprotected .m4a or aac if you prefer. |
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| 21:00:16 | gevaerts | saratoga: according to the logs, you touched aac recently. I can't immediately see any bookmark related change that could cause this. Any chance of your changes breaking positioning? |
| 21:00:30 | RalpH_himself | .m4p is protected .m4a - as easy as it gets ^^ |
| 21:00:31 | pixelma | RalpH_himself: what player do you write this WPS for? |
| 21:00:41 | RalpH_himself | ipod color |
| 21:00:49 | RalpH_himself | two of them laying around ;) |
| 21:01:14 | beta2k | Want to donate one for dev use? :) |
| 21:01:29 | toffe82 | beta2k: recovery mode |
| 21:01:41 | beta2k | wouldn't boot to recovery mode |
| 21:01:46 | beta2k | just kept shutting itself down |
| 21:01:48 | pixelma | ok, just asking because players which have a real HD activity LED don't have that tag |
| 21:02:04 | beta2k | I think it's MB is toast :( |
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| 21:02:30 | RalpH_himself | beta2k: one has an almost broken hd, and one will be built into my oldschool-80's-aiwa-ghettoblaster where I have removed all the entrails last week ;) |
| 21:02:37 | toffe82 | beta2k: I should be able to fix it if you want |
| 21:03:00 | beta2k | Ideas on the problem? |
| 21:03:05 | gevaerts | RalpH_himself: I don't think many devs care about the state of the hd |
| 21:03:15 | beta2k | I only bought this one for it's LCD :) |
| 21:03:27 | beta2k | But being able to use it for a portable HD would be cool |
| 21:03:35 | saratoga | gevaerts: I'm the only one to touch it in years, and no nothing I did would impact that |
| 21:03:37 | beta2k | So I was thinking of trying to revive it |
| 21:03:58 | RalpH_himself | gevaerts: that's a good point... but I prefer to wait to recieve another with a broken mainboard to fix that ;) |
| 21:04:26 | beta2k | Do the colors use ZIF hd's? |
| 21:04:48 | RalpH_himself | jup |
| 21:04:58 | RalpH_himself | and i hope the videos do so too |
| 21:05:13 | BigBambi | www.rockbox.org/wiki/HardDriveReplacement |
| 21:05:19 | RalpH_himself | haven't got one open yet... only a matter of time |
| 21:05:27 | BigBambi | The ipod color is not ZIF |
| 21:05:34 | BigBambi | The video is |
| 21:05:40 | * | gevaerts shoves hardware repairers into #rockbox-community |
| 21:05:59 | RalpH_himself | mixed up... sorry |
| 21:06:21 | star_jasmine | just a comment on the m4a problem. it started in august. can't say where, but before the aac changes took effect in the changelog |
| 21:06:41 | gevaerts | star_jasmine: could you try some older builds from http://www.rockbox.org/dl.cgi?bin=sansae200 ? Narrowing down the exact moment it broke would be useful |
| 21:07:01 | beta2k | I've got a 60gig drive from a 5.5g if anyone can use it |
| 21:07:04 | star_jasmine | sure |
| 21:07:06 | star_jasmine | no problem |
| 21:07:08 | star_jasmine | hold on |
| 21:16:44 | star_jasmine | trying the earliest one on the page |
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| 21:26:31 | bluebrother | domonoky: if I make BootloaderInstallBase use a parent parameter to a QObject, do I need to explicitly pass the parent to the derived BootloaderInstall* classes? |
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| 21:29:27 | domonoky | äh, the otherway round. both BootloaderInstallBase and BootloaderInstall* should take a QObject as parent. Constructor of Bootloader* calls BootloaderInstallBase(parent), and the constructor of this gives parent to QObject... |
| 21:30:22 | bluebrother | hmm. But I shouldn't need to do that explicitly, do I? As the constructor calls the constructor of the base class first |
| 21:30:32 | domonoky | like BootloaderInstallHex::BootloaderInstallHex(QObject* parent) : BootloaderInstallBase(parent) { ... } and in the base class the same for a QObject.. |
| 21:30:47 | bluebrother | ok, got you. |
| 21:31:07 | star_jasmine | ok... I tried version r18043-080715 |
| 21:31:26 | star_jasmine | with the same results |
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| 21:32:01 | star_jasmine | the m4a file didn't resume properly with the resume playback. it only resumes from bookmarks created specifically for that folder/file |
| 21:33:29 | gevaerts | So it broke between r17907 and r18043 |
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| 21:34:34 | star_jasmine | yes |
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| 21:35:42 | holscher | can i play music on my ipod while it's charging? |
| 21:35:58 | gevaerts | star_jasmine: Do you have some mp3 or ogg or other files to test with? |
| 21:36:45 | star_jasmine | yes I"ll test it with the broken build |
| 21:37:26 | gevaerts | holscher: yes. Have a look in the manual (Quickstart->Charging) |
| 21:40:18 | RalpH_himself | holscher: with a charger yes - with your computer no |
| 21:40:24 | star_jasmine | it worked with mp3s as far as I could tell |
| 21:40:39 | star_jasmine | with the older build that I told you about. |
| 21:42:03 | gevaerts | RalpH_himself: why not? |
| 21:42:33 | star_jasmine | I was trying elngthy m4a files and shorter mp3s. not sure if that makes a difference |
| 21:42:50 | ChristopherW | Are there any core developers who can look at FS #9301? It's a really small fix for a little bug in the FM presets list. |
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| 21:43:04 | ChristopherW | ...and test it too? |
| 21:43:26 | RalpH_himself | gevaerts: I haven't yet managed to get the iPod into charging only mode when connected to the pc |
| 21:43:38 | fml | Does the code in drivers/button.c gets executed in the same thread as the code in apps/action.c? |
| 21:43:43 | RalpH_himself | correct: into playing mode |
| 21:43:48 | gevaerts | RalpH_himself: it should work |
| 21:43:53 | RalpH_himself | let's try |
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| 21:45:57 | gevaerts | star_jasmine: There are some long mp3s at http://www.rockbox.org/devcon2008/ (about 2 hours) |
| 21:46:40 | holscher | gevaerts, i'll take a look... |
| 21:47:03 | RalpH_himself | gevaerts: it works with the OF as expected: if i click on disconnect, the iPod goes into charging mode and works as usual |
| 21:47:30 | RalpH_himself | but with rockbox running it shows only "iPod can be disconnected" |
| 21:47:48 | gevaerts | OK, but that's not the way you have to do it :) |
| 21:48:03 | RalpH_himself | how else? |
| 21:48:07 | pixelma | and it's not running Rockbox at that point |
| 21:48:18 | RalpH_himself | i know, disk mode... |
| 21:48:32 | gevaerts | See the manual chapter I referred holscher to |
| 21:48:33 | bluebrother | doing it the wrong way is a really good reason to claim something not working ;-) |
| 21:48:54 | holscher | gevaerts, thanks. it worked |
| 21:49:21 | RalpH_himself | it never was a problem for me anyway, so i didn't even try ;) |
| 21:50:23 | holscher | RalpH_himself, you have to hold down "menu" while you connect the usb cable |
| 21:50:29 | gevaerts | RalpH_himself: once the rockbox usb stack is ready, it will work like you described. We're not there yet however |
| 21:51:17 | RalpH_himself | ok, i figured out that one right now |
| 21:51:43 | RalpH_himself | learned already 2 things about rockbox today ^^ |
| 21:54:01 | star_jasmine | ok. I"ll try with those |
| 21:54:05 | star_jasmine | thanks |
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| 21:57:53 | webguest97 | No there is no message from rbutil. |
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| 22:01:08 | star_jasmine | downloading it now |
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| 22:02:35 | domonoky | webguest97: could you provide a testfile somewhere, so i could try to reproduce this problem.. :-) |
| 22:03:11 | bluebrother | no message from doing what? |
| 22:04:10 | star_jasmine | a test m4a file? |
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| 22:04:43 | star_jasmine | a question off topic... the sansa view is awful in is native firmware. its buggy, etc. how is the development going for it? |
| 22:04:43 | webguest97 | chinese mp3. Where would be a good place? |
| 22:04:57 | domonoky | webguest97 seems to have a very long ping... his question was at 17:41:42 .. :-) |
| 22:05:36 | webguest97 | I went away, then checked the logs. |
| 22:06:01 | domonoky | a empty file with the corresponding filename should be enough.. we are creating talkfile out of the filename :-) |
| 22:06:27 | webguest97 | Where to put the file? |
| 22:07:29 | domonoky | you could mail me at: <mynick>@googlemail.com or put it one some online file storage... |
| 22:07:51 | webguest97 | try a file called "青梅竹馬(周治平).mp3" |
| 22:08:28 | domonoky | i cant see the correct chars here in irc, i need the file.. |
| 22:09:27 | webguest97 | I just sent it. |
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| 22:11:50 | webguest97 | I don't know how english voices react to chinese text, though. |
| 22:12:22 | domonoky | which tts engine did you use ? |
| 22:12:39 | domonoky | and are the talk files just missing or are they empty ? |
| 22:12:47 | webguest97 | neospeech's "VW Wang". It is a manderin chinese voice. |
| 22:13:02 | webguest97 | missing |
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| 22:13:36 | domonoky | oki.. still waiting for the mail.. :-) (you did insert my nickname? :) |
| 22:14:00 | * | bluebrother just created a voicefile for a filename with characters he can't read |
| 22:14:05 | bluebrother | on linux, though ;-) |
| 22:14:09 | webguest97 | I just typed in "mymick@googlemail.com". Maybe the <&> signs should have been in there? |
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| 22:14:42 | domonoky | no... use my nickname. ie: domonoky@ .... |
| 22:14:45 | * | bluebrother looks for forehead |
| 22:15:12 | webguest97 | Oh, I understand. You were trying to hide it from spam robits. Tricky! |
| 22:15:14 | bluebrother | domonoky: you need a file with these nice characters? |
| 22:16:20 | * | domonoky wants all strange files to put into his .talk file test folder :-) |
| 22:16:21 | bluebrother | http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/rbutil/empty.7z |
| 22:16:29 | webguest97 | I sent it. |
| 22:16:40 | domonoky | bluebrother: forbidden :-) |
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| 22:17:16 | bluebrother | domonoky: try again |
| 22:17:32 | bluebrother | maybe we should start collecting "strange" filenames in an archive? |
| 22:18:03 | * | webguest97 is going to the bathroom |
| 22:18:28 | star_jasmine | still downloading this mp3 file |
| 22:19:10 | gevaerts | That's the trouble with long mp3 files. They are also big... |
| 22:19:10 | * | webguest97 is back |
| 22:20:05 | domonoky | webguest97: could you resend the file in a zip ? please :-) |
| 22:21:16 | webguest97 | Compressed (zipped) Folders Error |
| 22:21:17 | webguest97 | The compression cannot be performed because the file or directory 'C:\scripts\青梅竹馬(周治平).mp3' contains characters in its name that |
| 22:21:17 | webguest97 | Compressed (zipped) Folders cannot store: 青梅竹馬周治平 |
| 22:21:17 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK webguest97 |
| 22:21:17 | webguest97 | OK |
| 22:21:27 | webguest97 | Compressed (zipped) Folders Error |
| 22:21:27 | domonoky | bluebrothers file fails to encode for me... lets check the cause.. |
| 22:21:27 | webguest97 | The compression cannot be performed because the file or directory 'C:\scripts\青梅竹馬(周治平).mp3' contains characters in its name that |
| 22:21:27 | webguest97 | Compressed (zipped) Folders cannot store: 青梅竹馬周治平 |
| 22:21:27 | webguest97 | OK |
| 22:21:34 | star_jasmine | yes |
| 22:21:37 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 22:21:37 | * | star_jasmine grins |
| 22:21:42 | webguest97 | Chinese chars cannot be handled by zips. |
| 22:22:01 | domonoky | maybe another compression program ? like 7z ? |
| 22:22:17 | webguest97 | Sorry for the double post. |
| 22:22:36 | webguest97 | Hold on a sec. |
| 22:23:14 | bluebrother | domonoky: you noticed that I put such a file in that archive? ;-) |
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| 22:23:46 | webguest97 | downloading 7z. |
| 22:24:03 | bluebrother | having your system completely running on utf-8 is really nice in such cases ;-) |
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| 22:26:02 | star_jasmine | ok. I"m finished downloading the file, and will now test it |
| 22:26:25 | gevaerts | I hope it's not too boring |
| 22:26:28 | webguest97 | sent |
| 22:26:58 | star_jasmine | listeing to the first few minutes, it doesn't seem like it will be |
| 22:27:03 | star_jasmine | listening |
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| 22:32:03 | star_jasmine | ok |
| 22:32:47 | star_jasmine | its fine on mp3s. it even gives you a few miliseconds backwards when resuming, so you hear the last bit of what you were playing before bookmarking. |
| 22:33:34 | star_jasmine | fastforwarding mroe in the file just to make sure |
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| 22:36:58 | star_jasmine | ok. that's fine also in mp3. I went 48 minutes into the file, which is where I was in the m4a file. it resumed fine with the mp3 |
| 22:37:35 | gevaerts | So it is m4a specific |
| 22:38:17 | star_jasmine | yes |
| 22:38:49 | webguest97 | domonoky: are you there? |
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| 22:40:02 | domonoky | jup, first analysis shows, that at least for me, the sapi engine silently failes to create the wav file. and then encoding fails. (with a error message for me)... |
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| 22:41:01 | webguest97 | What voice are you using? |
| 22:42:12 | domonoky | just a standart english voice, i dont have a chinese one aviailable |
| 22:43:05 | webguest97 | That's what I mean about not knowing how english voices react to chinese text. What's the best way to debug this? |
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| 22:45:33 | gevaerts | star_jasmine: could you submit a bug report? I don't know anything about m4a, and I don't spot any suspicious commits in that range, so someone else will have to look at this |
| 22:48:01 | star_jasmine | ok sure |
| 22:48:47 | domonoky | webguest97: if you want to poke on this problem, you could try creating a wav file with this name and content with the sapi_voice.vbs script (in svn /tools). rbutil uses this for sapi voices... |
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| 22:50:50 | RalpH_himself | hey guys, one more question: can I have write-permissions on the Wiki to upload my new Theme? |
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| 22:51:36 | domonoky | start it with: "cscript //nologo sapi_voice.vbs /language:chinese" and generate a file with: "SPEAK <tab> test.wav <tab> text-to-speak <enter>" and then "SYNC <tab> bla <enter>" and "QUIT <enter>" to stop the script.. |
| 22:52:01 | domonoky | RalpH_himself: you wikiname ? |
| 22:52:42 | webguest97 | What are the terminal commands to do this? |
| 22:52:50 | fml | Can I use the DEBUGF macro in drivers/button.c? Or is it only usable in the apps code? I don't get any output in the sim. |
| 22:53:06 | RalpH_himself | domonoky: SandroGaehler |
| 22:53:46 | domonoky | RalpH_himself: promise not to Spam !! *done* |
| 22:53:51 | RalpH_himself | kay |
| 22:54:00 | RalpH_himself | i'll do my best... |
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| 22:55:29 | fml | Or where should the output of DEBUGF appear? |
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| 22:57:37 | rasher | domonoky: It gets difficult when dealing with utf8 though. Especially since the windows commandline can be all sorts of odd encodings |
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| 22:58:42 | webguest97 | I was going to work in the cygwin terminal |
| 22:59:06 | rasher | I don't think that's better, but I guess we won't know by sitting on our hands, so don't let me stop you |
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| 23:00:36 | webguest97 | What do I type to create such a talk clip? |
| 23:01:06 | fml | Anybody? Where should the output of the DEBUGF appear (H120 sim under linux)? |
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| 23:01:47 | Bagder | fml: in the terminal you started the sim in |
| 23:02:39 | rasher | webguest97: what domonoky typed 20 lines up |
| 23:05:12 | star_jasmine | I"m trying to file a bug report, and register myself. I haven't got the activation email though. can someone help? |
| 23:06:04 | fml | Bagder: ok, that's what I assume. But it doesn't. Does the sim use the same drivers/button.c as the target? |
| 23:06:57 | rasher | fml: Did you enable debugf in configure? |
| 23:07:13 | Bagder | fml: no it doesn't |
| 23:08:05 | fml | rasher: it's a sim build so DEBUGF should be on. |
| 23:08:17 | fml | Bagder: aha, that's the reason then! |
| 23:08:17 | rasher | Oh right |
| 23:09:15 | | Quit domonoky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 23:09:28 | webguest97 | rasher: it says "error - found no voice for chinese" or something like that. |
| 23:09:32 | * | linuxstb wonders how the SoC projects are going - today is the "pencils down" day... |
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| 23:10:51 | gevaerts | Bagder: can you do admin stuff on flyspray? |
| 23:11:06 | Bagder | I can, yes |
| 23:11:56 | gevaerts | Can you have a look at star_jasmine's problem? |
| 23:13:15 | Bagder | well, I don't see any such user |
| 23:14:09 | Bagder | I guess the interface just doesn't display users until they are verified |
| 23:14:49 | gevaerts | So the verification mail probably got stuck in some spam filter somewhere... |
| 23:15:27 | amiconn | rasher, domonoky (fro the logs): sapi_voice.vbs will error out if there is no voice installed for the specified language |
| 23:15:57 | amiconn | And nowadays sapi_voice.vbs stdio communication uses utf16le all the way |
| 23:16:20 | star_jasmine | never mind. it was my fault. I don't have a jaber ID, and it was giving me problems |
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| 23:18:48 | star_jasmine | I don't use jabber. will that matter |
| 23:19:05 | Bagder | nope |
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| 23:21:25 | star_jasmine | this isn't working for some reason. |
| 23:21:27 | | Quit fml ("CGI:IRC") |
| 23:22:45 | RalpH_himself | me again: how can I upload my theme? |
| 23:23:00 | RalpH_himself | I have already made a .zip file according to the rules |
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| 23:24:55 | star_jasmine | it says my id or email address is already taken. I can give it out to see what is going on. arwynevenstar2@yahoo.com |
| 23:26:06 | star_jasmine | I haven't registered before though. odd |
| 23:26:18 | linuxstb | RalpH_himself: Have you seen these instructions? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery#UploadGuide |
| 23:26:33 | RalpH_himself | uups |
| 23:26:33 | gevaerts | It probably half-accepted the first attempt. |
| 23:27:33 | RalpH_himself | ok i just missed the attach button :P |
| 23:30:24 | * | gevaerts wonders if Bagder might not find a non-verified user list hidden somewhere behind an unlikely link |
| 23:31:33 | Bagder | if so, the link is so unlikely that I haven't found it... |
| 23:32:57 | gevaerts | The lost password thing also doesn't seem to work for unverified users |
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| 23:34:59 | gevaerts | star_jasmine: can you try again with a different username? |
| 23:38:08 | gevaerts | From what I can see only the username can't be the same as the one in a failed attempt. The email address can be |
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| 23:43:30 | RalpH_himself | ok I messed up with the hide option... |
| 23:45:10 | RalpH_himself | never mind |
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