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| 00:03:54 | shotofadds | Just to clarify, (how) does the feature freeze affect people working on new ports? I don't currently have any working "supported" targets (only a slightly dead H110) so might not be much help bug-squashing, etc. |
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| 00:04:22 | gevaerts | I would say not at all |
| 00:04:24 | amiconn | Define 'slightly dead' |
| 00:04:35 | bertrik | it's sleeping! |
| 00:04:54 | * | bertrik agrees with gevaerts |
| 00:05:08 | shotofadds | the battery lasts only a few hours, and the stop buttons needs re-soldering. other than that it's usable. |
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| 00:05:28 | amiconn | hmm |
| 00:05:30 | shotofadds | not dead at all really, just poorly |
| 00:05:35 | amiconn | Is it a 20GB or a 5/6GB? |
| 00:06:21 | shotofadds | sorry, H110 = iHP100 10Gb variant. darn iRiver naming scheme... |
| 00:06:44 | amiconn | oh |
| 00:06:49 | * | amiconn overlooked one '1' |
| 00:07:04 | shotofadds | the model name changed with a firmware upgrade :o |
| 00:07:10 | * | gevaerts also failed to spot it |
| 00:07:15 | * | amiconn read H10 |
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| 00:07:45 | * | shotofadds figured you meant H10. can't help with that, I'm afraid. |
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| 00:09:15 | gevaerts | Can rockbox get the battery charge percentage while charging on the Player? |
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| 00:10:55 | amiconn | Currently not. |
| 00:11:58 | gevaerts | So there is a precedent if the sansas can't do it either... |
| 00:12:21 | amiconn | Getting the percentage from the voltage on NiMH during charge is pretty much a shot in the dark anyway |
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| 00:13:32 | amiconn | But it should be possible. It's just that the Player currently doesn't have a separate voltage table for charging |
| 00:13:57 | blame | Hey guys, having a bit of an issue with ID3 tags... mainly the composer tag TBH... on my PC, the track show up with correct tags in all media players and in windoes explorer, but after transferring files to my ipod and re-initialising the database, they don't show up with updated tags - any ideas? |
| 00:14:13 | gevaerts | I guess you'd need a different table for different charging currents |
| 00:14:20 | amiconn | That's something I wanted to add after the fundamental powermgmt code rearranging |
| 00:15:07 | bertrik | on e200 we can read the battery voltage during charging, on c200 it's not possible. It seems we can get an idea of the charge current during on both c200 and e200 charging though. |
| 00:15:08 | amiconn | Measuring the charging current is impossible on the Player, but provided the input voltage is high enough, it's almost constant current charging |
| 00:16:02 | stripwax | blame - do they still show up in the database using the *old* tags, or do the files not show up at all? It's unclear from what you said |
| 00:16:27 | stripwax | if the former, is it possible you have two or more copies of the same file on your ipod and the database sees both? |
| 00:17:49 | blame | @ stripwax: they show up with the old tags - the file structure is iPod > Music > Artist > Album > mp3 and covers so there's no way theres duplicate files |
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| 00:18:23 | n1s | blame: maybe you have both id3v1 and id3v2 tags though? |
| 00:18:34 | blame | hold on, I'll check |
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| 00:20:45 | bertrik | IIRC there was a id3 fix this weekend |
| 00:21:01 | blame | the tags are 2.2, not sure how to check if there are still ID3v1 - thought v1 had a composer tag anyway |
| 00:21:29 | blame | @ bertrik: this has been annoying me for a while now, just decided to get it sorted now though lol |
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| 00:26:48 | bertrik | blame, no idea if it fixed your problem though, the fix was in r18304, for ID3v2,4 tags |
| 00:27:55 | blame | well just updated literally 5 minutes ago, so will restart and check |
| 00:27:57 | blame | cheers |
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| 00:34:34 | blame | just read that ID3v2.4 doesn't show up tags in windows explorer - does make a difference in media players? |
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| 01:08:55 | star_jasmine | hi everyone... I'm having a lot of trouble registering with the bug reporting option on the rockbox page. every name I choose is taken, but the odd thing is that I was able to register with that name a while ago, yet received no code. can someone help? |
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| 01:14:06 | rasher | star_jasmine: I think you need to talk to Bagder or Zagor |
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| 01:22:22 | star_jasmine | ok thanks |
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| 01:43:49 | __RoT__ | hi! is it possible to run rockbox on a sansa e250r2? and is it reomenden? the windows installer (rockboxUtility) seems only to know e200 models... |
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| 01:44:22 | BigBambi | What do you mean by r2? |
| 01:44:33 | BigBambi | Rockbox runs on the e200r, but not the e200v2 |
| 01:44:50 | __RoT__ | v2 sorry |
| 01:45:02 | __RoT__ | ok no v2 so ic |
| 01:45:03 | BigBambi | No, as www.rockbox.org says, it does not run |
| 01:46:52 | __RoT__ | thx didn't find that - sad though |
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| 02:19:10 | Aaron | Hi ther eall |
| 02:19:40 | Aaron | I'm trying to install rockbox on my 4G ipod. I'm running os x.4. |
| 02:20:14 | Aaron | OK, is anyone here? |
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| 02:21:23 | Blahman | Hello? |
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| 02:23:53 | Blahman | OK, just read the guidelines; here is my issue. |
| 02:24:10 | Blahman | When I try to install rockbox using the automatic install, I get "Could not detect a device. |
| 02:24:10 | Blahman | Select your device and Mountpoint manually." |
| 02:25:36 | rasher | Have you tried doing that? |
| 02:25:46 | Blahman | Yes, I'm trying to find the error I got |
| 02:26:01 | gevaerts | Do you have admin privileges? |
| 02:26:47 | Blahman | Yes. |
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| 02:27:28 | Blahman | The ipodpatcher says it can't find the copyright info, or the ipod, and I should make sure it is unmounted. |
| 02:28:53 | Blahman | I see Mac OS says I don't have permission |
| 02:28:55 | Blahman | [ERR] FATAL: Permission denied on 1 device(s) and no ipod detected. |
| 02:28:55 | Blahman | [ERR] You need permissions for raw disc access for this program to work! |
| 02:30:07 | gevaerts | That's the problem then. Unfortunately I don't know enough about macos to know how to solve this |
| 02:30:48 | Blahman | Hmm. I'm not sure how to give the ipodpatcher appropriate permissions |
| 02:31:27 | Blahman | Or, further, how to give the RB auto installer the appropriate permissions. I'm assuming it's the same issue stopping both actions |
| 02:31:39 | saratoga | try running it with "sudo" |
| 02:32:34 | Blahman | What do you mean? It's an icon. |
| 02:32:57 | saratoga | presumably you have to use the command line to do that, though if you're not sure I suggest google |
| 02:32:57 | Blahman | Please forgive my ignorance. I'm sure there is a way to "run" the command with sudo proceeding it. I'm just not sure how |
| 02:33:07 | Blahman | OK |
| 02:33:40 | saratoga | its hard to imagine Apple hasn't documented how exactly the sudo command (or its equvilent) works on their OS |
| 02:34:01 | Blahman | I'm sure they have, I just haven't had need to learn until now |
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| 02:36:28 | midgey | Assuming you have RButil in /Applications, I think this will work |
| 02:36:37 | midgey | sudo /Applications/Rockbox\ Utility.app/Contents/MacOS/rbutilqt |
| 02:37:33 | midgey | paste that into Terminal (Applications > Utilities > Terminal) |
| 02:37:48 | Blahman | cmd not found |
| 02:38:13 | Blahman | My app is rbutilqt.app though |
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| 02:38:35 | midgey | err damn, change "Rockbox Utility" to rbutil |
| 02:38:50 | rasher | Perhaps there's a way for rbutil to tell OS X that it needs admin privs |
| 02:39:18 | Blahman | It opened RB and I got "Your configuration is invalid. This is most likely due to a new installation of Rockbox Utility or a changed device path. The configuration dialog will now open to allow you correcting the problem." |
| 02:39:50 | midgey | sounds normal |
| 02:40:06 | Blahman | Autodetect doesn't work, selecting the location and gen doesn't work |
| 02:42:09 | saratoga | oddly enough, the instructions don't mention needing sudo on macos |
| 02:42:34 | Blahman | Yeah, i've read all through it. |
| 02:43:04 | Blahman | I don't know why the RB installer doesn't work. What gets me is that the ipodpatcher can't find the ipod. |
| 02:43:26 | saratoga | well the easiest thing to do is try sudo and see if it actually fixes your problem, then we can update the instructions if it actually matters |
| 02:43:58 | Blahman | OK |
| 02:44:01 | Blahman | [INFO] Scanning disk devices... |
| 02:44:02 | Blahman | [ERR] No ipods found, aborting |
| 02:44:02 | Blahman | [ERR] Please connect your ipod and ensure it is in disk mode |
| 02:44:02 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Blahman |
| 02:44:02 | Blahman | [ERR] Also ensure that itunes is closed, and that your ipod is not mounted. |
| 02:44:02 | Blahman | [ERR] Please refer to the Rockbox manual if you continue to have problems. |
| 02:44:13 | Blahman | That's the error from the ipodpathcer |
| 02:44:42 | midgey | your ipod is formatted as FAT32 (windows iPod) right? |
| 02:45:00 | Blahman | Yes, I believe. Mac OS thinks so at least |
| 02:45:31 | midgey | and you have rbutil 1.0.6? |
| 02:45:37 | saratoga | which ipod? |
| 02:45:48 | Blahman | 4g 20gb |
| 02:45:55 | Blahman | brb, I'll check which rbutil |
| 02:46:38 | Blahman | Yes, 0.6 |
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| 02:49:54 | Blahman | I don't understand how to run the "ipodpatcher" command with sudo in front of it |
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| 02:51:24 | Blahman | OK, just figured it out, but it did not work |
| 02:52:42 | gevaerts | Is the ipod mounted? |
| 02:54:12 | Blahman | No, it's not |
| 02:54:49 | gevaerts | ok |
| 02:58:19 | Blahman | I'm trying it all manually again, including a fresh format |
| 02:58:40 | rasher | Domonoky, bluebrother: (for the logs) Stuff about gaining privileges on OS X: http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Security/Conceptual/authorization_concepts/01introduction/chapter_1_section_1.html .. rbutil should probably use this just before installing the bootloader |
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| 03:03:58 | Blahman | Redoing it all did not work |
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| 03:04:21 | Blahman | rbutil can't find my ipod |
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| 03:12:31 | Blahman | OK, now it autodetects it, but "can not open ipod" |
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| 03:28:33 | gevaerts | Goodnight! |
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| 04:41:16 | robink | Will RockBox support the iPod Nano 3rd gen soon? |
| 04:42:05 | scorche|sh | unlikely...no one is currently working on it and things like this tend to not happen by themselves |
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| 05:06:44 | robink | scorche|sh: Gotcha. |
| 05:06:46 | saratoga | anyone know where the codec thread is actually launched from? |
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| 05:07:26 | scorche|sh | saratoga: soooo..what was the end result of the GSoC project? |
| 05:08:41 | saratoga | scorche|sh: I've got a patch on the tracker that enables rockbox as an app, but didn't get very far with a Windows CE port |
| 05:09:40 | scorche|sh | does that mean you were a success? |
| 05:10:12 | saratoga | well i got some of what I said I would done |
| 05:10:13 | robink | Is there any OSS firmware for the iPod Nano 3g that support UMS and Vorbis? |
| 05:10:27 | saratoga | but no where near what I wanted |
| 05:10:51 | saratoga | i'll probably keep working on the Rockbox as app idea though |
| 05:10:56 | scorche|sh | robink: this is #rockbox...where we talk about rockbox....if there were such a beast, it would be off-topic anyway |
| 05:12:01 | robink | scorche|sh: Ah, sorry. |
| 05:12:15 | robink | Is there any documentation of the iPod Nano 3G hardware? |
| 05:12:27 | scorche|sh | as in dataseets?...no |
| 05:12:35 | scorche|sh | datasheets even |
| 05:12:45 | robink | That's a bummer |
| 05:13:21 | scorche|sh | even with datasheets, there is still the question of how to get code to run |
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| 05:14:17 | robink | scorche|sh: Ah. There's no easy way to bootstrap it (lots of DRM)? |
| 05:14:20 | beta2k | robink: the nano's firmware is encrypted |
| 05:14:28 | robink | beta2k: That's a pain. |
| 05:14:34 | beta2k | It's not exactly a easy platform to build for |
| 05:14:38 | robink | Indeed |
| 05:14:54 | beta2k | Especially with what rockbox.org pays us |
| 05:15:06 | beta2k | well, the developers taht is |
| 05:15:10 | robink | Ahh |
| 05:15:23 | robink | Would it help if I donated? |
| 05:15:43 | beta2k | Got a spare nano? :) |
| 05:15:49 | scorche|sh | not likely, but dont let that stop you =) |
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| 05:16:11 | robink | beta2k: Nope, sorry. I don't even have a Nano of my own. |
| 05:16:22 | beta2k | Me neither |
| 05:16:23 | robink | (I don't have any type of iPod. I play my media on a PalmOS device an a Nokia N810). |
| 05:16:30 | robink | s/an/and/ |
| 05:16:51 | beta2k | I'm planning on getting a Phillips tho to help with that port |
| 05:17:09 | robink | The Nano 3G uses a Phillips CPU? |
| 05:17:15 | beta2k | No |
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| 05:17:21 | robink | Oh, a Phillips MP3 player. |
| 05:17:24 | beta2k | Phillips makes a MP3 player |
| 05:17:44 | beta2k | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GoGearHDD6330 |
| 05:18:25 | robink | Is the CPU an ARM, or is it something else entirely? |
| 05:18:32 | beta2k | ARM core yes |
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| 05:18:50 | robink | ah, with a DSP or some other specialized logic? |
| 05:19:08 | saratoga | no DSP |
| 05:19:08 | beta2k | scorche|sh: Is the nano a PP, or one of those apple branded chips? |
| 05:19:25 | robink | Oh, I was thinking of Philips. |
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| 05:19:37 | scorche|sh | it is not a PP |
| 05:20:09 | beta2k | So one of those funky apple things... |
| 05:20:27 | scorche|sh | i believe it is a samsung ARM9, but i would have to google a bit |
| 05:21:10 | robink | ARM9 or Cortex a9? |
| 05:21:38 | saratoga | robink: the phillips is a PP chip, theres no DSP core |
| 05:21:53 | robink | saratoga: Ah. Floating point support? |
| 05:22:03 | saratoga | robink: no |
| 05:22:17 | saratoga | same dual ARM7 as all the other PP chips |
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| 05:22:39 | robink | saratoga: I know nothing about PP CPUs. |
| 05:22:46 | beta2k | PortalPlayer |
| 05:22:54 | robink | My only real familiarity with ARMs is with the now Marvell XScale and the TI OMAP. |
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| 05:23:01 | beta2k | A dual ARM7 specific built for MP3 players |
| 05:23:05 | robink | beta2k: Ahh. |
| 05:23:07 | saratoga | they're about as slow as you can still buy ARM cores |
| 05:23:14 | robink | Interesting |
| 05:23:18 | beta2k | Hunks of junk :) |
| 05:23:19 | scorche|sh | dualcore he means |
| 05:23:35 | robink | Makes me happy I have my OMAP2420. |
| 05:24:04 | robink | ARM11+TI_DSP+ARM7TDMI+PowerVR chipset. |
| 05:24:15 | scorche|sh | i dont see how this is ontopic |
| 05:24:18 | robink | Sorry |
| 05:24:31 | robink | scorche|sh: The chat about PP processors isn't ontopic? |
| 05:24:48 | scorche|sh | you were going on about the OMAP |
| 05:24:59 | robink | scorche|sh: Apologies |
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| 06:36:25 | robink | What percentage of Rockbox-supported MP3 players have CPUs with SIMD instructions? |
| 06:37:06 | robink | This is slightly OT as I'm curious about what percentage of MP3 players rely purely on the main CPU (optionally with FP instructions) for audio decoding. |
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| 06:42:18 | saratoga | robink: regarding your SIMD question, I believe 0% of the supported targets |
| 06:42:52 | saratoga | although the Gigabeat S will be supported eventually, and I believe it has the standard ARM11 vector extensions |
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| 09:39:15 | pondlife | Bagder: Morning! Are you able to update the project news to mention the freeze, or are you still away? |
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| 09:40:59 | B4gder | I'm back in business, I'll update the site |
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| 09:50:38 | scorche|sh | krz: hey there...how goes it? |
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| 10:06:25 | pondlife | Who's the Speex expert? |
| 10:06:31 | pondlife | As in voice-via-Speex |
| 10:07:23 | n1s | pondlife: jmspeex |
| 10:07:37 | pondlife | The clue is in the name ;) |
| 10:07:51 | n1s | and preglow i'd guess |
| 10:08:15 | pondlife | I suspect the voice output from the decoder isn't being flushed - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8066 has more details... |
| 10:08:32 | pondlife | Might just be a PCM thing though.. |
| 10:17:24 | amiconn | It is a pcm bug. Also happens with tracks, not only voice clips |
| 10:17:54 | pondlife | I suspect there is also an underlying voice bug. |
| 10:18:08 | pondlife | The PCM bug is only the cutoff clips, right? |
| 10:18:36 | pondlife | Or might it not be flushing some buffer? |
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| 10:27:23 | pixelma | reminds me that voicing of the "end of playlist" splash stopped working on swcodec quite a while ago |
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| 10:31:09 | pixelma | I believe it stopped with MoB and I don't know if it's related or not, was just reminded |
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| 11:03:17 | tringuyen | Is there any way to build the cross-compiler for Mac OSX 10.5? |
| 11:04:25 | B4gder | rockboxdev,sh should work on that as well |
| 11:04:42 | tringuyen | I tried, but it returned error. |
| 11:04:50 | B4gder | what did it say? |
| 11:04:50 | linuxstb | Have you installed "xcode" ? |
| 11:04:55 | tringuyen | Yes |
| 11:05:03 | tringuyen | I can build apps with MacPorts |
| 11:05:31 | linuxstb | As B4gder asked, what was the exact error message? |
| 11:06:54 | tringuyen | I've just close my terminal, let me do it again. Please wait. |
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| 11:26:50 | curic | hi all, recently my e200 hold button snapped off and after cheacking out an iphone (*not mine* :P) i got the idea to maybe try to write some kind of 'software hold' patch... the only issue being i'm not so good at programming... does anyone here know of any plugins which do anything similar which i could use to 'educate' myself? |
| 11:27:44 | B4gder | hold can't be done by a plugin anyway |
| 11:28:11 | B4gder | but getting familiar with rockbox can be done with any (plugin) source code |
| 11:28:30 | pixelma | the Archos players already have a software hold in Rockbox. I don't know where the code for that is though |
| 11:29:08 | curic | yeah, i didnt mean 'hardware hold' which i guess you are implying e200s have |
| 11:29:26 | curic | but that's interesting to know pixelma |
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| 11:30:32 | curic | i'm going to have a poke around when 7zip finishes extracting but i will probably just come crying back to irc! |
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| 11:35:47 | * | petur once wrote a SW HOLD function for recording |
| 11:36:49 | pixelma | the software hold on the Archos is only active in the WPS but it's quite convenient |
| 11:36:55 | petur | it's quite old, might not apply anymore, but here is it: http://users.telenet.be/petur/virtual_hold.patch |
| 11:37:19 | petur | it was written for h300 |
| 11:37:55 | petur | and h100 it seems |
| 11:38:11 | amiconn | The archos SW hold is flexible enough to be used in any screen, provided you find a (possible) button combo for it |
| 11:38:57 | pixelma | I like that it's only used in the WPS, personal preference though ;) |
| 11:39:58 | curic | that's where i would want it too, i'm a 'take out of pocket, choose, put back in' kind of guy. |
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| 12:07:40 | tringuyen | Here's the error.http://www.pastebin.ca/1178527 |
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| 12:13:06 | tringuyen | And I have noticed binutils configure error: C compiler cannot create executable. |
| 12:13:50 | n1s | tringuyen: oh, you need to fix that first then, it could be a permission problem |
| 12:14:02 | tringuyen | how can I do that? |
| 12:14:53 | * | n1s has no macosx experience whatsoever |
| 12:15:17 | n1s | tringuyen: is that the first error you get when running rockboxdev.sh? |
| 12:15:24 | tringuyen | yes |
| 12:16:02 | n1s | possibly binutils are not in your PATH? |
| 12:16:15 | tringuyen | it is in my path |
| 12:16:33 | tringuyen | I have built a dozen of apps from macports. |
| 12:16:53 | n1s | you need binutils for the correct arch, in this case arm |
| 12:16:54 | tringuyen | so it's probably in my path anyway. |
| 12:17:27 | n1s | binutils builds this too, before gcc but the gcc build needs binutils to create the libs |
| 12:17:39 | tringuyen | AFAIK rockboxdev.sh automatically set the PATH when compilling gcc. |
| 12:17:48 | Llorean | No |
| 12:17:54 | Llorean | That's one thing you have to do manually after running it. |
| 12:18:08 | linuxstb | It should set it temporarily - otherwise it couldn't compile gcc |
| 12:18:37 | linuxstb | This line - PATH="${PATH}:$bindir" |
| 12:18:40 | Llorean | Ah, should've read up further. |
| 12:18:58 | * | Llorean thought it was the gcc path being set. |
| 12:19:12 | linuxstb | tringuyen: Do you have any other cross-compilers already installed? Or anything else that may be confusing things? |
| 12:20:05 | tringuyen | I have installed arm-elf-binutils 2.17 from macports before. But I have removed it before I run rockboxdev.sh |
| 12:21:54 | linuxstb | If I was you, I would probably install the cross-compilers manually, to get a better idea of what might be going wrong - this page has instructions: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler |
| 12:22:30 | tringuyen | I have try it too, binutils returned the same: C Compiler cannot create executable. |
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| 12:22:46 | linuxstb | So the problem is when compiling binutils? |
| 12:22:54 | tringuyen | I think so |
| 12:23:14 | linuxstb | Your pastebin showed an error whilst building gcc. |
| 12:23:20 | linuxstb | (which is done after binutils) |
| 12:24:31 | tringuyen | And there's a lot of "no such instruction" error. Which i think binutils related. |
| 12:25:03 | n1s | it sounds to me like your native binutils are trying to build arm libs or some such weirdness |
| 12:25:51 | tringuyen | I think it's probably because of former binutils building failed. |
| 12:37:45 | tringuyen | I have built am-elf-binutils manually. And this is the error: http://www.pastebin.ca/1178535 |
| 12:38:31 | gevaerts | config.log may contain more information |
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| 12:39:13 | tringuyen | And this happen when i 'make' it. Not when running configure. |
| 12:41:26 | tringuyen | And this is the config.log if you need: http://www.pastebin.ca/1178539 |
| 12:49:22 | tringuyen | This is the config.log of subdirectory binutils: http://www.pastebin.ca/1178541 |
| 12:50:29 | gevaerts | Are your permissions on /tmp (or $TEMP, or $TMP, not sure) correct? |
| 12:50:47 | gevaerts | Or did you try building as root previously? |
| 12:51:08 | tringuyen | yes |
| 12:51:24 | tringuyen | I used: sudo ./rockboxdev.sh |
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| 12:54:19 | jmspeex | pondlife: pong |
| 12:54:31 | pondlife | ping! |
| 12:54:56 | linuxstb | tringuyen: And are you still using sudo now? |
| 12:54:57 | gevaerts | tringuyen: try removing /tmp/rbdev-build for a start |
| 12:55:10 | tringuyen | yes |
| 12:55:19 | pondlife | jmspeex: Just wondered if you'd understand how the voice decode works - not the innards of speex itself, more how it feeds PCM. |
| 12:55:49 | jmspeex | pondlife: sorry, no idea at all |
| 12:55:51 | linuxstb | pondlife: I think that's preglow's and jhMikeS's domain. |
| 12:55:59 | pondlife | Ah, ok. Never mind then. |
| 12:56:36 | pondlife | The voice truncation bug is top of my wish list at the moment (i.e. for 3.0).. |
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| 13:00:00 | linuxstb | Is it target-specific? |
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| 13:05:08 | Llorean | linuxstb: I know it's been reproduced on several targets, but at the top of my head I can't think of any confirmation I've seen on coldfire, just arm. |
| 13:05:47 | pondlife | linuxstb: Are you talking about the voice truncation? |
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| 13:05:52 | linuxstb | pondlife: Yes |
| 13:05:58 | pondlife | It happens in the sim |
| 13:06:20 | pondlife | And on H300 |
| 13:07:22 | pondlife | The main menu "Playlists" entry is an easy one to hear. |
| 13:07:55 | pondlife | (with my L&H voice, at least) |
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| 13:35:37 | LambdaCalculus37 | rasher: (for the logs) I'm going to do some more non-translation string fixes for a couple of more languages; I'll post the FS number when I'm done. |
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| 13:40:03 | JdGordon | anyone else think party mode should be disabled when the playlist stops by itself? |
| 13:40:09 | JdGordon | or whent he player is shutdown |
| 13:40:27 | pondlife | Not if it's a setting... |
| 13:40:36 | pondlife | (Although I get your point!) |
| 13:40:38 | JdGordon | there is at least one bug report where party mode causes problems when there is no playlist |
| 13:41:03 | JdGordon | ... or, party mode is ignored if we are starting a new playlist |
| 13:41:09 | pondlife | That's more like it |
| 13:41:22 | pondlife | i.e. clarify the party mode restriction |
| 13:41:23 | JdGordon | probably not as easy to find all the places though |
| 13:42:54 | Llorean | The playlist shouldn't stop if Party Mode is on. |
| 13:43:11 | pondlife | Auto repeat? |
| 13:43:15 | Llorean | I'd think so. |
| 13:43:23 | LambdaCalculus37 | rasher: (again for the logs) FS #9303. |
| 13:43:23 | B4gder | I think I agree |
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| 13:43:30 | B4gder | party == music non-stop |
| 13:43:35 | pondlife | But repeat is already a setting... |
| 13:43:35 | Llorean | The point of party mode is "music CANNOT stop, no matter what you try" |
| 13:43:47 | Llorean | I think it should just override "Repeat Off" to be "Repeat All" |
| 13:43:58 | Llorean | All other repeat values should be honored. |
| 13:44:43 | pondlife | I'd rather just make it a UI restriction |
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| 13:45:02 | pondlife | Nothing more - it's not exactly hard to set repeat all |
| 13:45:15 | Llorean | It's not exactly hard not to press the Stop button either, for that matter. |
| 13:45:32 | Llorean | Party mode is a stupid feature, but if we're gonna keep it, it should at least be foolproof and that means "prevent stopping at all costs" |
| 13:45:54 | pondlife | Ah, what exactly is the party mode restriction? I thought it locked the UI down so stop wasn't allowed? |
| 13:46:00 | pondlife | I never used it though... |
| 13:46:11 | Llorean | It prevents stopping, I think it prevents skipping to the next track too. |
| 13:46:49 | * | JdGordon tends to agree about forcing repeat all |
| 13:46:54 | Llorean | Best described as "you can't interfere with playback beyond adding or removing songs from the playlist" |
| 13:46:57 | pondlife | Urgh, why not scrap it? |
| 13:47:28 | B4gder | hah, things we've added can never be removed ;-) |
| 13:48:04 | pondlife | I have a party.cfg to turn off voice/beeps, enable crossfade, set repeat all and turn on the dynamic playlist warning. |
| 13:48:12 | pondlife | Never needed to use party mode |
| 13:48:40 | Llorean | pondlife: I think the idea of party mode is to prevent *other* people from interfering with playback. |
| 13:49:05 | Llorean | Basically, if they don't know about that one setting, they can't really accidentally do much that would directly interfere with the music. |
| 13:49:24 | pondlife | OK, so it's a UI lockdown |
| 13:49:25 | B4gder | hand over the player to party participant "mr destroyer" and let him pick a few songs |
| 13:49:37 | pondlife | So it lets you browse... |
| 13:49:41 | Llorean | pondlife: That's the gist I got when it was being considered. |
| 13:49:42 | * | pondlife must try it out |
| 13:49:43 | Llorean | Browse and insert. |
| 13:49:53 | pondlife | Jukebox mode? |
| 13:50:01 | * | JdGordon isnt sure where to force repeat_all mode |
| 13:50:21 | pondlife | I don't think it should force that - just make it act like a jukebox! |
| 13:50:30 | pondlife | (Put your money in the tray.) |
| 13:50:40 | Llorean | pondlife: So, play random songs from the database if the queue ends? :-P |
| 13:50:45 | pondlife | Yep! |
| 13:50:51 | pondlife | (But seriously, no need) |
| 13:50:52 | Llorean | That could ruin a party right quick. |
| 13:50:56 | JdGordon | yeah, also thats wrong anyway... it only needs to force rep all if its not a dirplay.. so yeah, I like it just ignoreing the setting if there is nothing playing |
| 13:51:21 | pondlife | JdGordon: Don't muck about with repeat settings - it's easy to set repeat all anyway |
| 13:51:31 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 13:51:37 | * | pondlife doesn't like independent things to be tied together. |
| 13:52:01 | Llorean | pondlife: So you'd like playback to stop when a setting is set that's supposed to prevent stopping playback? |
| 13:52:11 | pondlife | Yes, if there's nothing left to play |
| 13:52:29 | pondlife | The setting is a UI lockdown to stop people breaking the flow |
| 13:52:31 | JdGordon | Llorean: no, I agree with pondlife in that the setting is to stop people changing the playlist... not to make sure it always keeps playing |
| 13:52:52 | pondlife | You can set Party + Repeat All for the non-stop mode |
| 13:53:01 | Llorean | JdGordon: The ONE thing it allows people to do is change the playlist... |
| 13:53:12 | JdGordon | queue last... |
| 13:53:15 | Llorean | It's there to keep people from interrupting playback. |
| 13:53:49 | JdGordon | either way.. this commit should make it slightly more better :p |
| 13:54:42 | pondlife | It lets you browse freely, not queue last! |
| 13:54:52 | pondlife | i.e. it's not a jukebox mode. |
| 13:54:52 | Llorean | pondlife: It lets you insert and queue. |
| 13:55:04 | pondlife | It lets me browse and then plays immediately |
| 13:55:20 | Llorean | It shouldn't let you play immediately, I thought |
| 13:55:36 | pondlife | I'd also think that's a bit odd |
| 13:55:54 | Llorean | Ah well |
| 13:55:59 | Llorean | Never liked the feature anyway. Get rid of it. :-P |
| 13:56:06 | pondlife | :) |
| 13:56:40 | pondlife | "Jukebox mode" would be more obvious - complete with random generation at an unreasonably high volume level ;) |
| 13:57:17 | Llorean | pondlife: Jukebox mode shouldn't generate randomly |
| 13:57:20 | pondlife | Aha - party mode restricts the file browser, but NOT the database |
| 13:57:29 | pondlife | I was entirely joking |
| 13:57:30 | Llorean | It should read from a fixed jukebox.m3u, and only show you songs from that .m3u file in the database |
| 13:57:51 | Llorean | pondlife: Well THAT sounds broken. =/ |
| 13:58:18 | pondlife | That's why I was confused. |
| 13:58:24 | JdGordon | pondlife: just found that bug report... fixing |
| 13:58:32 | JdGordon | (after i double check its an issue still) |
| 13:58:44 | pondlife | It is |
| 13:58:51 | pondlife | (Or was at 9am today) |
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| 14:00:02 | * | JdGordon likes fixing easy bugs :) |
| 14:00:05 | pondlife | It won't let you skip, but will let you go into the context menu and do anything there :/ |
| 14:00:13 | pondlife | Seems a bit silly |
| 14:00:47 | pondlife | I mean, the skip restriction seems silly. |
| 14:01:44 | * | JdGordon does not like the tagtree system at all... |
| 14:02:04 | JdGordon | new bugreport.... "tagtree.c" :p |
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| 14:13:01 | JdGordon | anyone wanna comment on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7740 ? he is definatly right that that change would be correct... but will it cause problems elsewhere? |
| 14:14:39 | JdGordon | should I commit and wait and see if it causes problems? |
| 14:14:47 | pondlife | Yes... |
| 14:14:57 | pondlife | Is there a pl_free() ? |
| 14:16:44 | JdGordon | no |
| 14:17:04 | pondlife | OK, so it will just run out of memory, but now detect it correctly? |
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| 14:17:53 | * | pondlife wonders if there's common code in filetree.c and tagtree.c that could be shared to help... |
| 14:18:38 | JdGordon | pondlife: I guess so (to the first message) and probably not (to the second) |
| 14:18:44 | pondlife | heh |
| 14:22:29 | JdGordon | sleep(0) is safe isnt it? |
| 14:23:32 | pondlife | Yes |
| 14:23:45 | pondlife | Well, it'll yield. |
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| 14:27:39 | * | JdGordon is trying to track down a segfault in spacerocks |
| 14:27:53 | JdGordon | after 15s or so the sim will segfault in tick_timer()! |
| 14:28:09 | pondlife | gdb? |
| 14:28:27 | JdGordon | yeah, its not helping much |
| 14:28:38 | JdGordon | happens on target also |
| 14:30:36 | pondlife | JdGordon: Tried old versions to work out when the problem started? |
| 14:30:47 | pondlife | I assume this used to work ;) |
| 14:30:56 | amiconn | The common code should already be in tree.c |
| 14:31:16 | JdGordon | unless the sim can get through 5 ticks in the time it takes to do "if (end > *rb->current_tick) rb->sleep(end - *rb->current_tick);" I dont tihnk its trying to sleep for a neg time |
| 14:31:44 | pondlife | That should just be a long sleep, not a segfault |
| 14:32:36 | JdGordon | ah, unsigned? |
| 14:32:59 | JdGordon | ok, its not caused by the sleep |
| 14:33:06 | amiconn | Don't use > or < for tick comparisons. That's what the TIME_BEFORE() and TIME_AFTER() macros are for |
| 14:33:09 | * | JdGordon has no idea how to debug this |
| 14:33:10 | pondlife | Any chance of re-entry? |
| 14:33:44 | amiconn | And the tick is signed, otherwise those macros wouldn't work when the counter wraps |
| 14:34:02 | JdGordon | no, its in in a while(true) |
| 14:37:56 | pondlife | Does it only segfault when advancing a level? |
| 14:38:07 | pondlife | Which it does in "attract mode". |
| 14:38:17 | JdGordon | no, it will crash just leaving it at the start screen |
| 14:38:28 | JdGordon | somehow a new ticktask is added |
| 14:38:34 | JdGordon | so maybe stack corruption? |
| 14:39:00 | JdGordon | tick_tasks[0] stays in tact though, tick_task[1] gets a fubar address during th eplugin exectution |
| 14:42:29 | pondlife | It must be being overwritten, no? |
| 14:42:41 | pondlife | tick_add_task() is the only function that should update tick_funcs[] |
| 14:42:54 | pondlife | And that is not called, apparently |
| 14:43:05 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 14:43:28 | kugel | JdGordon: pin |
| 14:43:47 | JdGordon | you dont need to ping 20s after I said something.... |
| 14:43:50 | JdGordon | im obviously here |
| 14:44:20 | * | JdGordon very unscientifically narrowing it down |
| 14:44:37 | pondlife | I'd do a historical binchop, I think |
| 14:44:52 | JdGordon | its in draw_and_move_asteroids() |
| 14:46:11 | kugel | You know why I'm ping'ing |
| 14:46:16 | pondlife | Putting a 10k buffer before tick_funcs[] seems to fix it ;) |
| 14:48:40 | JdGordon | I tihnk it could be his array indexing is fubar... |
| 14:49:00 | curic | In this example: 'action_name, BUTTON_POWER|BUTTON_RIGHT, BUTTON_POWER' am i correct in saying that the power button needs to be held down while pressing the 'right' button for the action to work? - correct me if i'm not :s |
| 14:49:08 | JdGordon | ... hmm maybe not |
| 14:49:20 | JdGordon | curic: yes |
| 14:49:40 | curic | thx |
| 14:51:39 | Zambezi | I earlier spoke with a person who modified his iPod Mini 2gen 4 GB with CF 32 GB. Anyone remember who? I need to ask one question about the adaptor (I already got the card). |
| 14:52:08 | JdGordon | you dont need an adaptor for the mini |
| 14:52:33 | Zambezi | JdGordon: Oh. That sounds lovely. :-) |
| 14:52:57 | Zambezi | JdGordon: I got the 32 GB CF-card today. Guess what I paid! :-) |
| 14:58:54 | * | gevaerts spots interesting information in FS #8663 |
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| 15:28:50 | gevaerts | amiconn: could you have a look at the latest two comments in FS #8663 ? |
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| 17:00:07 | B4gder | rasher: I think its just due to it using a hash and the order thus becomes a bit "random" |
| 17:00:23 | B4gder | I can't recall any (other) specific reason |
| 17:00:40 | rasher | Sounds likely. Some translators seem to dislike when the languages get out of order :\ |
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| 17:36:20 | swimmer_ | hi all - did something change with the installation of rbutil? Since a few weeks (can't be more precise since I was traveling a lot lately) I don't get a rbutilqt binary anymore after compiling + installing on a Gentoo box ... |
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| 17:37:43 | rasher | swimmer_: it's right there in rbutil/rbutilqt/rbutilqt |
| 17:38:01 | swimmer_ | rasher: not for me ... |
| 17:38:20 | swimmer_ | rasher: at least not if I emerge ... |
| 17:38:40 | swimmer_ | rasher: let me see what happens if I just unpack + compile |
| 17:40:52 | swimmer_ | negative - no rbutilqt in rbutil/rbutilqt/ ... |
| 17:41:50 | Llorean | swimmer_: Have you tried checking out the sources with SVN and compiling them the way described in the wiki? |
| 17:42:27 | swimmer_ | Llorean: nope - until now I used an ebuild from an overlay which was working quite well all the time until lately |
| 17:43:18 | Llorean | Well, I'd recommend you try doing it the way we actually provide support for, then. |
| 17:43:38 | Llorean | Just to help be sure where the problem might be. |
| 17:43:56 | swimmer_ | ok ok - I was just wondering why it stopped working ... |
| 17:44:00 | swimmer_ | sorry to bother |
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| 17:44:46 | * | GodEater wrote the original ebuld, and can't imagine why it'd suddenly stop working |
| 17:44:56 | GodEater | not that I can test any more |
| 17:44:56 | * | linuxstb blames perl |
| 17:45:10 | GodEater | portage is written in python, so you should blame that too |
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| 17:45:51 | rasher | And uh.. shellscripts |
| 17:46:07 | GodEater | just blame everything |
| 17:46:09 | GodEater | it saves time |
| 17:46:17 | * | LambdaCalculus37 blames everything |
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| 17:49:31 | swimmer_ | lol |
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| 17:50:00 | * | swimmer_ is still searching this famous article in the wiki |
| 17:50:52 | * | GodEater looks blank |
| 17:51:34 | Llorean | swimmer_: Do you mean "searching for"? |
| 17:51:57 | GodEater | swimmer_: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtilityDevelopment#How_To_Compile |
| 17:52:02 | GodEater | I think that's the one you're looking for |
| 17:52:22 | swimmer_ | this is the error I get compiling -> http://rafb.net/p/gXdDQ142.html |
| 17:53:09 | swimmer_ | godeater: thx - I saw this one indeed ;-) |
| 17:54:16 | linuxstb | Does the ebuild download the code from SVN? If so, does it grab the apps/codecs/libspeex/ directory? |
| 17:54:47 | linuxstb | I guess the addition of speex encoding broke it... |
| 17:55:01 | swimmer_ | linuxstb: it does indeed |
| 17:55:42 | linuxstb | It does download the libspeex directory? |
| 17:56:34 | swimmer_ | "subversion_fetch "${ESVN_REPO_URI}/apps/codecs/libspeex" apps/codecs/libspeex" |
| 17:56:35 | GodEater | it does |
| 17:56:40 | swimmer_ | looks like it ... |
| 17:57:35 | rasher | And tools/rbspeex? |
| 17:57:38 | GodEater | swimmer_: do you get any errors at all from the ebuild ? |
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| 17:57:51 | GodEater | rasher: it gets all of tools |
| 17:57:56 | swimmer_ | godeater: posted above ... |
| 17:58:07 | swimmer_ | http://rafb.net/p/gXdDQ142.html |
| 17:58:09 | Llorean | Is RBUtil even building right now? |
| 17:58:14 | Llorean | I mean, I guess that'd be the first question to ask |
| 17:58:26 | Llorean | It might be in a state where it's not expected to build, for one reason or another. |
| 17:58:38 | Llorean | I mean, it's not like we expect people to be using bleeding edge versions of it. |
| 17:58:53 | linuxstb | Yes, that seems like a bug in the Makefile - not specific to the ebuild... |
| 17:59:03 | * | linuxstb pings bluebrother and domonoky |
| 17:59:08 | swimmer_ | ahh |
| 17:59:15 | * | swimmer_ blames everything |
| 17:59:34 | GodEater | ok - who broke the Makefile ? :) |
| 17:59:44 | Llorean | Why do we have an ebuild that checks out bleeding edge sources for RBUtil, anyway? |
| 17:59:46 | linuxstb | That label is related to a recent change in the Makefile to build universal binaries for OS X, so we blame Steve Jobs |
| 17:59:53 | Llorean | I don't think it's reasonable to expect the source will always build. |
| 17:59:55 | GodEater | Llorean: because that's the way I wrote it =/ |
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| 18:00:08 | Llorean | GodEater: Why'd you make it that way then? |
| 18:00:10 | GodEater | that's also why it's a -9999 ebuild |
| 18:00:14 | linuxstb | Llorean: I think that's pretty reasonable - people should try and keep svn building... |
| 18:00:16 | GodEater | it implies it probably won't work |
| 18:00:31 | rasher | Seems to me it should get the latest tag (however that works) |
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| 18:00:49 | Llorean | linuxstb: But we release version-numbered rbutils. It allows the devs to actually use the SVN repository to collaborate on work, rather than trading patches back and forth. |
| 18:01:13 | GodEater | it would be trivial to change it to just grab a tagged version |
| 18:01:24 | GodEater | it's just at the time I wrote it, I don't even think there was a "release" version of rbutil |
| 18:01:28 | GodEater | and no-one's updated it since then |
| 18:01:32 | * | swimmer_ grabs the popcorn |
| 18:01:35 | GodEater | least of all me, since I don't use gentoo anymore |
| 18:02:03 | GodEater | caveat: trivial assuming the releases *are* tagged of course ;) |
| 18:02:26 | linuxstb | Llorean: Yes, but it defeats the purpose if the SVN version won't even compile... |
| 18:02:34 | Llorean | linuxstb: What purpose? |
| 18:02:39 | domonoky | ofcourse we make tags/branches when we release new rbutil versions.. :-) |
| 18:02:43 | Llorean | We don't expect people to use the SVN version. |
| 18:02:44 | linuxstb | Llorean: "collaborate on work" |
| 18:03:24 | * | GodEater volunteers a gentoo user to fix the ebuild so it grabs a tagged version |
| 18:03:28 | Llorean | linuxstb: Where does "collaborate on work" imply "don't break the build"? |
| 18:03:33 | * | GodEater looks in swimmer_'s direction |
| 18:03:53 | linuxstb | Llorean: Huh? How can you collaborate on something you can't even compile? |
| 18:04:20 | swimmer_ | GodEater: sure I'm willing to help |
| 18:04:24 | linuxstb | But I think we're arguing over two different things. You're saying users shouldn't use SVN versions of rbutil, and I'm saying SVN should at least be kept in a compilable state. |
| 18:04:24 | domonoky | linuxstb: collaborate in fixing it, so it compiles again.. *hehe* :-) |
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| 18:05:12 | Llorean | linuxstb: Firstly, even if it's compilable that doesn't mean it'll be "working". But what if it's not compilable on OSX but compiles fine on Windows? |
| 18:05:14 | domonoky | both is true, we want users to use releases versions of rbutil. But of course svn should stay compileable while developing new versions.. |
| 18:06:03 | GodEater | swimmer_: the key point is since I no longer have a gentoo install, I no longer have any portage docs - so you'll have to hunt out the method of telling subversion_fetch to grab a tagged release |
| 18:06:24 | linuxstb | domonoky: Yes. |
| 18:07:24 | Llorean | linuxstb: All I ever said is that i don't think it's reasonable to expect the bleeding edge will always build. |
| 18:07:26 | * | GodEater thinks Llorean is probably right about the "package" version of rbutil - it shouldn't grab bleeding edge code as it's supposed to be an "easy install" for end users. |
| 18:07:31 | Llorean | I didn't say people shouldn't try to keep it building. |
| 18:07:43 | swimmer_ | GodEater: given I understand enough from subversion I'm confident to get the ebuild done ;-) |
| 18:07:52 | GodEater | swimmer_: awesome :) |
| 18:09:21 | swimmer_ | so which tagged release do you guys want me to fetch? |
| 18:10:05 | Llorean | Any way to just do the one with the biggest version number? |
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| 18:10:27 | GodEater | Llorean: that would be tricky I suspect |
| 18:10:36 | domonoky | at the moment its: tags/rbutil_m1.0.6 but the number will rise overtime :-) |
| 18:10:48 | Llorean | Can we give a single revision more than one tag? |
| 18:10:50 | GodEater | once we have a working ebuild that grabs what we consider the "latest" now, I think it'll be easy to update it in future |
| 18:10:58 | linuxstb | Why use svn at all? Couldn't we just make it use a source tarball, and symlink "rbutil-latest" or similar? |
| 18:11:04 | Llorean | like moving tags/rbutil_current each time a new one is release? |
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| 18:15:54 | swimmer_ | hmm - the svn-server is not browseable anymore |
| 18:16:07 | GodEater | that seems a sensible idea, provided we can version number them as well as tag them ? |
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| 18:16:56 | bertrik | swimmer_, svn update fails for me too |
| 18:17:08 | bertrik | oh, now it doesn't |
| 18:17:13 | swimmer_ | svn is back |
| 18:19:08 | swimmer_ | GodEater: I'm wondering if I just should fetch the tagged rbutil release and get apps/codecs/libspeex & tools still from trunk? |
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| 18:21:07 | swimmer_ | oops - svn seems really dead now ... |
| 18:23:01 | domonoky | swimmer_: i dont think thats a good idea, there could be changes in tools/ and in libspeex. Then you could get problems, and always have a different version of rbutil, than anyone else ( bad for support)... |
| 18:23:54 | gevaerts | Is there something like CACHED_ADDR() that basically is the reverse of UNCACHED_ADDR() ? |
| 18:23:55 | swimmer_ | domonoky: reasonable - but in the short glimpse I could take I did not see the corresponding parts from trunk in tags .. |
| 18:24:49 | domonoky | swimmer_: the tag "should" include all parts, but i can not check at moment because of the slow svn.. |
| 18:25:20 | swimmer_ | domonoky: this would be brillant :) |
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| 18:28:36 | swimmer_ | ok :) |
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| 18:29:38 | swimmer_ | any more info about the svn server? |
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| 18:29:53 | bertrik | gevaerts, I understand you're investigating some new clues regarding the sd corruption problems, nice |
| 18:30:44 | gevaerts | What do invalidate_icache() and flush_icache() mean exactly? |
| 18:30:56 | gevaerts | bertrik: indeed. Let's hope we have the real one this time |
| 18:31:06 | domonoky | it seems someone has to kick our svn server ? Bagder ? |
| 18:32:08 | * | LambdaCalculus37 throws a boot at the SVN server |
| 18:32:21 | bertrik | domonoky, I get a "network unreachable" so I'm not sure it's really the server or service itself |
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| 18:33:27 | * | domonoky gets the same error, so someone has to kick the network where our svn server is :-) |
| 18:33:55 | * | pondlife gets "Connection timed out" or "Request timed out"... |
| 18:34:56 | swimmer_ | ah I see that agaffney is here as well - he's even a Gentoo developer ;-) |
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| 18:35:28 | swimmer_ | too late ;-) |
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| 18:35:56 | LambdaCalculus37 | swimmer_: Sounds like you guys can help keep the ebuilds for rbutil up to date, then. ;) |
| 18:36:29 | swimmer_ | but no fears agaffney - I want to try it myself and can get help on the gentoo channels if necessary ... |
| 18:36:46 | swimmer_ | agaffney: and the ebuild goes to devnull anyway ... |
| 18:37:06 | agaffney | I was wondering why I saw the word "ebuild" in here earlier :P |
| 18:37:33 | * | swimmer_ blames GodEater this time ;-) |
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| 18:41:20 | swimmer_ | hmm - I can't do anything without the server :P |
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| 19:02:14 | * | gevaerts hopes that his latest patch kills FS #8663 |
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| 19:13:34 | * | GodEater_ accepts no blame whatsoever |
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| 19:24:48 | swimmer_ | GodEater_: lol :) |
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| 19:26:44 | moos | gevaerts: hope you fix it. What is left, to enable USB on svn and then for the coming release? |
| 19:27:54 | gevaerts | moos: there's still a bug with remounting the filesystem (the software usb stack doesn't do that properly. Should not be too hard to fix), and the "hub problem", i.e. on some setups it doesn't work well |
| 19:28:18 | gevaerts | But at least neither of those should be able to cause data loss |
| 19:28:52 | moos | a good point if we want USB for the release |
| 19:30:31 | gevaerts | The hub problem is a bit of an issue though. If that's not solved it means we need a way to disable the usb stack easily, which means having firmware/ code accessing settings |
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| 19:31:49 | Llorean | moos: We probably shouldn't enable USB for the release. |
| 19:32:08 | Llorean | It's still largely untested on a large scale, so even if we thought it was working it'd be impossible to get it widely tested in time. |
| 19:32:39 | Llorean | It should probably be put aside for 3.1 |
| 19:32:58 | Llorean | Once 3.0 is out, there's really no reason *not* to enable it in bleeding edge builds (assuming the corruption issue is solved) |
| 19:33:06 | moos | Llorean: is there already a list of targets that will be concerned? |
| 19:33:12 | moos | for 3.0 |
| 19:33:52 | amiconn | gevaerts: That sounds really fishy... |
| 19:34:13 | LambdaCalculus37 | AFAIK the iriver H100 is one of the targets for 3.0, isn't it? |
| 19:34:14 | Llorean | moos: Not really. Probably all of them that have daily builds, with one or two targets still under debate last I heard (mainly iPod 1G/2G |
| 19:34:29 | Llorean | LambdaCalculus37: Basically, every target is a candidate for it right now. |
| 19:34:32 | moos | Llorean: Ok |
| 19:34:37 | * | amiconn would like to see the out-of-sync tracknumber in the wps during trackchange fixed asap :\ |
| 19:34:38 | Llorean | Or at least, every one that we count as "supported" |
| 19:34:50 | Llorean | amiconn: Out of sync track number? |
| 19:35:16 | amiconn | Llorean: The track number in the wps advances ~3 seconds before the actual track change on swcodec |
| 19:35:45 | gevaerts | amiconn: exactly. We could also have some magic key to hold during connect of course, but IMHO that's fine for a development version but not for a release |
| 19:35:54 | * | moos noticed that they wasn't bug hunting sessions this time (probably like always, lack of time for anyway) |
| 19:35:58 | Llorean | amiconn: Is there a tracker entry for this? Does Nico_P know? |
| 19:36:23 | amiconn | Nico_P should know this. It's a long-standing issue |
| 19:36:24 | moos | s/anyway/every one |
| 19:36:28 | Llorean | moos: People should be hunting bugs always, and we've talked about the upcoming release since devcon so anyone who was actively interesting knew to be doing it anyway. |
| 19:36:44 | Llorean | amiconn: I thought it was supposed to be fixed some time ago, though. |
| 19:36:53 | amiconn | He tried to fix it once, but that introduced several other playback quirks. The fix for those brought back the issue |
| 19:36:53 | Llorean | I was thinking it had been reintroduced maybe. |
| 19:36:54 | * | moos remenber the last release attempt ;) |
| 19:39:00 | amiconn | I mean the playlist position, not the track number (which is part of the tags and works properly) |
| 19:39:04 | moos | playback engine is a snake :) |
| 19:39:32 | moos | since his first incarnation for sw target |
| 19:39:32 | Llorean | amiconn: Is it just dependent on when it starts decoding the next track to PCM then? |
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| 19:40:27 | amiconn | gevaerts: Btw, you would need a cache invalidation, not a cache flush, iiuc (usb driver writing to uncached memory, cpu reading it cached in order to transfer it to the sd card) |
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| 19:41:18 | gevaerts | amiconn: that's what I worked out. Thanks for the confirmation though |
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| 19:50:02 | amiconn | gevaerts: Maybe it's the fifo write speed? |
| 19:50:15 | amiconn | Read transfers are optimised, write transfers aren't |
| 19:50:29 | amiconn | And using the cached address makes the cpu read faster |
| 19:51:06 | gevaerts | amiconn: I assume it's something like that. If so, iram may also help, but if cached accesses work that would be overkill |
| 19:51:27 | amiconn | Hence, the transfer might be too slow when using the uncached address, but then applying a similar optimisation as the one already present for reading should help too |
| 19:52:07 | amiconn | Compare copy_read_sectors_fast(), copy_read_sectors_slow() and copy_write_sectors() |
| 19:52:31 | amiconn | Although, there's a comment saying writes need to be kept slow "for now"... |
| 19:53:38 | gevaerts | Unfortunately it doesn't say why |
| 19:53:53 | amiconn | There's one way to find out... |
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| 19:59:21 | swimmer_ | ahh - the svn server is up&running again :) |
| 19:59:24 | swimmer_ | thanks |
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| 20:04:19 | star_jasmine | hi everyone. doees anyone know how to enable making sapi 4 voices with the rbuilt utility? it has he options for it, but can't create voices with any sapi 4 synhesizer using |
| 20:04:43 | swimmer_ | Llorean: could you realise a copy of the latest tagged version to rbutil_{latest,current,your_choice}? |
| 20:05:36 | star_jasmine | I"m using rbuilt 1.6 |
| 20:10:31 | domonoky | star_jasmine: you may be the first person testing this feature... i had problems with my sapi4 voices when i built this... (its just there because the underlying sapi_voice.vbs script also can do this :-) ) |
| 20:11:39 | amiconn | domonoky: Did you read my comment re the change in sapi_voice.vbs stdio communication? |
| 20:12:03 | domonoky | no.. what changed ? |
| 20:12:18 | * | domonoky needs to read the log.. |
| 20:12:35 | amiconn | Current sapi_voice.vbs wants all stdin data as utf-16, and stdout's utf-16 as well |
| 20:13:54 | amiconn | utf16le, that is, i.e. native "windows unicode" |
| 20:14:04 | domonoky | so i should make sure rbutil gives those string as utf-16 to the vbs script... |
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| 20:15:21 | amiconn | But since rbutil is an executable, it would probably be a good idea to interface to sapi directly. I don't know how difficult this would be, but it's more flexible |
| 20:15:21 | domonoky | about the error without voice, rbutil trys to catch this, but it only waits 300 ms for the error :-) |
| 20:15:46 | amiconn | E.g. it should allow to set up to 8x speed for sapi4 (sapi4 via automation is restricted to 1x realtime) |
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| 20:16:25 | domonoky | yes, using sapi directly out of C/c++ would be better, but the API is not easy and it needs a special sdk, more depencies :-) |
| 20:16:26 | amiconn | domonoky: The returned values are utf-16 as well |
| 20:18:52 | star_jasmine | hmmmm I know nothing about code, but would be glad to help if I could. |
| 20:22:41 | amiconn | Actually, setting faster-than-realtime speeds is documented for sapi4 automation, but it doesn't work |
| 20:23:11 | amiconn | I tried it both with Microsoft and L&H voices |
| 20:25:05 | star_jasmine | oh... one more suggestion/thing I've noticed. when making voices with rbuilt, parts of words *the ends of words actually) get cut off, but when I use cygwin, it doesn.t my cygwin is so messed up at the moment |
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| 20:31:56 | amiconn | rasher: What do you think about renaming the wrongly named languages before release? |
| 20:33:26 | swimmer_ | GodEater_: the new ebuild works so far but I can't use it since rbutil_m1.0.6 is hardcoded in it atm :-/ |
| 20:33:34 | swimmer_ | agaffney: see above ... |
| 20:34:36 | swimmer_ | and now down to me guests ;-0 |
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| 20:36:29 | amiconn | czech -> cesky, finnish -> suomi (as per convention, languages using latin script should use their native name, written without accented letters) |
| 20:37:15 | kugel | the tracker search is so bad |
| 20:37:49 | amiconn | And probably srpski -> serbian (as it's the cyrillic variant) |
| 20:38:33 | kugel | searching for "rockbox as an application" just gives 316 results |
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| 20:39:17 | kugel | even though there's 1 entry which exactly matches the term |
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| 20:44:12 | pixelma | I don't think it's bad - you can narrow it down by searching in certain categories only and sort the hits by the different columns etc... |
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| 20:52:57 | amiconn | domonoky: Where does rbutil apply the language/engine/voice specific corrections which are done in voice.pl when using the build system? |
| 20:53:13 | amiconn | Or doesn't it do that at all? (which would be bad...) |
| 20:53:49 | domonoky | this feature is still missing... :-/ |
| 20:55:12 | kugel | pixelma: It would be a good start if the search results were not sorted by ID |
| 20:55:34 | pixelma | you can sort them all the way you want |
| 20:55:55 | pixelma | click on the headlines of the columns |
| 20:56:09 | kugel | pixelma: Except by best results |
| 20:56:17 | kugel | which would be desirable |
| 20:56:58 | gevaerts | You're assuming that there is such a thing |
| 20:57:26 | Llorean | As well, including "rockbox" as a search term is a recipe for disaster. |
| 20:58:05 | kugel | Llorean: "as an application" gives still 310 results |
| 20:58:13 | Llorean | If I just search for "application" I get a whole 7 results. |
| 20:58:27 | Llorean | And if I search for "rockbox as an application" but check the "search for all words" option I only get 4 |
| 20:58:29 | kugel | yes |
| 20:58:57 | kugel | But I know the task is called "rockbox as an application", it'd be just logical if the matched entry is the first result |
| 20:59:01 | Llorean | So your complaint is "I had it search for any individual word from the list 'as, an, application, Rockbox' and got many results" |
| 20:59:55 | Llorean | kugel: I don't see why you're complaining to us, anyway. Go bug the flyspray devs if you think their search is stupid or don't like the options it gives you... |
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| 21:00:00 | pixelma | I think every search engine requires some getting used to for best results but recently I often found what I was looking for in the tracker |
| 21:00:32 | star_jasmine | hi everyone. I"m having trouble accessing any page on flyspray. I've registered, and when I log in, I am direced to a blank page. if I type in the URl to the new report, a blank page comes up again. I"m using jaws for windows, bu have also used window eyes as a screenreader to see if that helps. it didn't |
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| 21:01:59 | kugel | using google to search the tracker seems to be the better way |
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| 21:02:57 | Llorean | kugel: What exactly do you expect us to do about it? |
| 21:03:07 | star_jasmine | I have a bug repor that I'd like o file |
| 21:03:32 | unexperiencedroc | Could someone tell me what video formats rockbox supports? |
| 21:03:47 | Llorean | unexperiencedroc: MPEG1 and MPEG2 as described in the documentation. |
| 21:04:02 | unexperiencedroc | There is a documentation? |
| 21:04:20 | kugel | Llorean: Not more than you're able to |
| 21:04:29 | Llorean | kugel: That's not an answer. |
| 21:04:33 | unexperiencedroc | And what file extension is is that |
| 21:04:36 | unexperiencedroc | mpg1? |
| 21:04:45 | Llorean | unexperiencedroc: Look at the website, the menu on the left, there's a section that says documentation... |
| 21:04:50 | rasher | amiconn: Any more than finnish? |
| 21:05:01 | domonoky | unexperiencedroc: see manual or wiki MpegPlayer |
| 21:05:19 | unexperiencedroc | I could not find it in the manual |
| 21:05:20 | Llorean | kugel: We didn't write the software. Are you expecting us to implement a whole new search for it, or are you just wasting everyone's time by complaining without any real expectation of change? |
| 21:05:28 | amiconn | rasher: I've mentioned them... |
| 21:06:37 | kugel | Llorean: Don't blame me for wasting your time! If you feel your time is wasted ignore me. By answering me, you waste your time voluntarily |
| 21:06:59 | Llorean | kugel: I can't unread your statements on the matter. It's a simple question: Do you expect something to be done about it, or are you just complaining? |
| 21:07:27 | Llorean | I couldn't have known before I read them that they were a waste of time. |
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| 21:07:37 | * | domonoky thinks we need our own writte bugtracker, running on a gigabeast with IP over USB :-) |
| 21:07:39 | kugel | Llorean: I did not, with no word, expect you to improve the search. I just expressed my opinions about it |
| 21:08:02 | Llorean | kugel: Then don't. This is an on-topic channel. That means discussing things that are actually relevant. "I want to gripe about another software project" isn't relevant. |
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| 21:08:35 | kugel | tracker related stuff is not off-topic imo |
| 21:08:41 | Llorean | It's not tracker-related. |
| 21:08:50 | Llorean | You're griping about the flyspray project's choice of search method. |
| 21:08:53 | rasher | amiconn: sounds fine |
| 21:10:00 | amiconn | rasher: This could be done if we decide to dump the deprecated string (cause that requires bumping the .lng version anyway, making old .lng files invalid) |
| 21:17:17 | * | bluebrother thinks kugel never saw the search of the old flyspray installation |
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| 21:23:18 | baldmonkey | hi, ive modded the files i want to and tested them working after compile but does anyone know the diff command to compare 2 dirs? |
| 21:23:27 | * | baldmonkey embarassingly asks... |
| 21:23:56 | thenanoman | The manual says rockbox is compatible with mpeg1 and 2 but when i convert a video to that extension it only plays it like audio or doesnt recognize it, wht do I do? |
| 21:24:19 | rasher | baldmonkey: diff -r dir1 dir2 |
| 21:24:37 | Llorean | thenanoman: What do you mean "convert a video to that extension" |
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| 21:24:56 | thenanoman | I mean download a youtube video and save it as video.mp1 |
| 21:25:08 | Llorean | That's not converting it. |
| 21:25:16 | gevaerts | Bagder: ping |
| 21:25:16 | Llorean | It's still a youtube video, just with a different filename. |
| 21:25:24 | thenanoman | i have a program that converts with the file extension |
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| 21:25:33 | thenanoman | and it saves it as an mp1 |
| 21:25:37 | LambdaCalculus37 | Rubbish. |
| 21:25:59 | LambdaCalculus37 | This is how you properly convert a file: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer |
| 21:26:16 | thenanoman | hanks |
| 21:26:20 | iamben | mv my.avi my.mpg "wtf it still wont play" |
| 21:26:22 | iamben | =) |
| 21:26:26 | LambdaCalculus37 | Also, MP1 refers to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP1 |
| 21:26:27 | thenanoman | thanks* |
| 21:26:36 | amiconn | rasher: Voice building on cygwin throws strange warnings when using the (outdated) perl 5.8.8 (pointed out by pixelma). perl 5.10.0 (current) works fine |
| 21:26:40 | bluebrother | iamben: mv my.avi "wtf it still wont play" :) |
| 21:26:59 | thenanoman | oh |
| 21:27:03 | thenanoman | thankyou |
| 21:27:29 | pixelma | rasher, amiconn: I still need to confirm that an upgrade fixes my problems... |
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| 21:27:33 | * | Llorean wonders how hard it would be to have mpegplayer support other audio codecs. |
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| 21:27:47 | * | petur would like somebody with an e200 to confirm/fix 9286 |
| 21:27:58 | agaffney | swimmer_: pastebin the ebuild |
| 21:28:00 | amiconn | But cygwin perl 5.8.8 claims to support perlio ... |
| 21:28:48 | bertrik | petur, I have an e260 and can try |
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| 21:28:59 | petur | nice |
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| 21:30:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | Llorean: Perhaps Windows Media Video (WMV) would be easier to add, since there's already support for WMA and ASF? |
| 21:30:33 | Llorean | LambdaCalculus37: I was actually thinking of just adding in AC3 support to mpeg video. |
| 21:31:18 | bertrik | still recording after 2 minutes... |
| 21:33:36 | petur | bertrik: you start recording asap after entering the screen? |
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| 21:34:35 | amiconn | Llorean: "just"? |
| 21:34:53 | bertrik | petur, yes I'm trying so |
| 21:35:04 | amiconn | You'll run into iram shortage for sure |
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| 21:35:31 | amiconn | (and ac3 is unusable on pp anyway, at least 48kHz) |
| 21:36:13 | Llorean | amiconn: I didn't meant to suggest AC3 was simple, more that my interest was bounded to a specific codec. |
| 21:36:17 | bluebrother | support flv video :) |
| 21:36:22 | Llorean | As in, I'm "just" interested in... |
| 21:36:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | Haha. :) |
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| 21:45:14 | bertrik | petur, it hangs now, but possibly because of a different reason: "the disk is full. Press UP to continue" |
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| 21:45:35 | bertrik | oh, it didn't hang after all, UP just didnt do anything |
| 21:46:45 | petur | hmmm 9220 is very similar, I wonder what JdGordon meant with that dodgey commit |
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| 21:53:52 | * | petur can't find a commit between 18117 and 18128 that could have broken recording for X5 |
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| 21:57:23 | * | amiconn thinks there's a bug in cygwin perl 5.8.8 itself |
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| 21:57:38 | * | LambdaCalculus37 blames cygwin perl |
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| 22:10:22 | pixelma | petur: fwiw, I did not have a problem with recording on my M5, running r18282. The dodgy commit the comment talks about is a missing bump of the codec API version (see http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev;revision=18295), amiconn and JdGordon talked about this here, I believe it is in the logs of Saturday morning |
| 22:10:23 | bertrik | petur, did more testing, can't reproduce it |
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| 22:15:29 | star_jasmine | hmmm I hope this is relevant here. I am having a major slow down with cygwin. how does one go about reinstalling it to make it actually work? I'm trying to make voices for rockbox |
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| 22:18:12 | bertrik | star_jasmine, cygwin just seems much slower than native linux, I don't think a cygwin reinstall can make things faster |
| 22:20:03 | pixelma | making voices doesn't take too long |
| 22:20:13 | amiconn | rasher: I think it would be best to set utf-8 as default for all IO in voice.pl. Then most places don't need to specify encoding explicitly anymore. Only sapi still needs to (since it wants utf-16le) |
| 22:20:13 | star_jasmine | it freezes when I create a voice though. it didn't used to |
| 22:20:37 | star_jasmine | I'm trying to use sapi4, which worked. I haven't tried sapi5 in a while |
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| 22:21:12 | amiconn | sapi4 is slooow. There's nothing we can do about it as long as we stick to scripting |
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| 22:23:55 | star_jasmine | but suppose my cygwin had a problem with it. I don't know what it would be, but the whole thing is slow. how do I make sure it is installed properly |
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| 22:25:01 | star_jasmine | its stuck on make c speex |
| 22:26:10 | petur | amiconn: what does valnogood mean in spdif? |
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| 22:26:57 | amiconn | It means the source states that it's invalid. That's not necessarily true... |
| 22:27:09 | amiconn | (iirc) |
| 22:27:27 | petur | I'm looking at 8362 btw |
| 22:28:04 | petur | would it be ok to ignore it ? |
| 22:28:20 | * | amiconn won't check that now |
| 22:29:24 | petur | you mentioned it 20060601 01:34:49 |
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| 22:32:29 | amiconn | rasher: Looks like cygwin perl 5.8.8 doesn't like it if perlio gets to handle both utf-16 and crlf. I'll try going back to manual crlf handling |
| 22:33:23 | amiconn | Yes, that fixes the problem :) So do we want to support perl 5.8, or do we require 5.10 (on cygwin)? |
| 22:34:00 | star_jasmine | is there anything special I have to put into cygwin to make a sapi 4 voice? |
| 22:34:14 | amiconn | star_jasmine: patience.... |
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| 22:35:20 | amiconn | Cygwin is slow in some situations. Disabling the on-access virus scanner while running 'make' jobs helps quite a bit (only do that if you know what you're doing) |
| 22:35:21 | rasher | amiconn: if it's not much trouble, I suppose supporting 5.8 is nice |
| 22:37:10 | amiconn | Umm. Cygwin perl 5.8.8 seems to have more problems than that... |
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| 22:37:55 | * | amiconn is confused |
| 22:39:10 | baldmonkey | if i do diff -r dir1 dir2 it seems to make a patch which only works for the original directorys, what if i want to change the directorys or make the patch redistributable? |
| 22:39:24 | baldmonkey | *directories :s |
| 22:39:40 | star_jasmine | ok |
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| 22:40:05 | bluebrother | baldmonkey: usually it's much easier if you create a patch against svn |
| 22:41:56 | petur | amiconn: do you think we could ignore valnogood (always or via a setting) or should I just close the report stating his source is not good? |
| 22:45:08 | petur | preglow? any opinion? |
| 22:46:58 | * | petur closed the task |
| 22:49:14 | baldmonkey | what if i want to automate the build process but with different paths? |
| 22:49:47 | Inverse | Hi, I' |
| 22:49:51 | Bagder | baldmonkey: different how? |
| 22:50:45 | Inverse | Hi, I would like to help port RockBox to the iAudio 7 - would anyone have any advice/tutorials/links for someone who has never programmed a device |
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| 22:51:45 | amiconn | petur: If it is what I remember it to be, we should probably ignore it. But I won't check that now, as I'm busy with perl and io encodings, which are confusing enough... |
| 22:51:55 | Bagder | Inverse: read the forum thread, the wiki page and the NewPort wiki page. For all the parts you don't understand, google up docs/tutorials for them. |
| 22:52:07 | * | petur now can blame perl |
| 22:52:47 | petur | amiconn: I closed the task and stated that he could ask us to ignore this by posting a feature request |
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| 22:53:13 | Inverse | Cheers bagder |
| 22:53:18 | baldmonkey | i originally had testingdir/rockbox-svn and testingdir/rockbox <−− is where i made my mods - then i did 'diff -r rockbox svn rockbox >somefile.patch' from in the testing dir. now i want that same patch to patch a different copy of the same svn which is located in a different location - i tried changing the paths and i still get 'cant find the file to patch at input line 2' |
| 22:53:26 | * | baldmonkey wonders if he is just being tired :s |
| 22:53:59 | Bagder | baldmonkey: first, you should probably add -u to that diff command too |
| 22:54:13 | Bagder | then, you can strip path parts from patches with diff -p |
| 22:54:19 | Bagder | as in diff -p1, diff -p2 etc |
| 22:54:29 | Bagder | arg |
| 22:54:34 | Bagder | I meant with patch -p |
| 22:55:06 | baldmonkey | oic |
| 22:55:25 | baldmonkey | i will return if i fail :s |
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| 22:56:16 | bluebrother | well, you can simply checkout svn and then svn diff > foo.diff |
| 22:56:39 | Bagder | yeah, working against svn is a big gain in the longer run anyway |
| 22:56:44 | bluebrother | if you do that from the root of the source tree you can always apply that to another sources |
| 22:56:53 | bluebrother | and you can more easily sync patches |
| 22:58:05 | baldmonkey | ahh, i see what you mean |
| 22:59:25 | pixelma | quit reboot |
| 22:59:41 | pixelma | sorry |
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| 23:03:47 | petur | do we have a wiki page somewhere to collect known issues that will probably be present in 3.0? |
| 23:04:22 | Llorean | Nobody's started one yet, afaik |
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| 23:04:46 | bluebrother | wasn't there a 3.0 wiki page the last time we tried? |
| 23:06:12 | Llorean | bluebrother: There's http://rockbox.org/wiki/ReleaseTodo |
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| 23:08:36 | bluebrother | yep −− that could hold all known issues until 3.0 is out and then move them to ReleaseNotes |
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| 23:11:41 | petur | ipods will be supported for 3.0, right? So will we fully support recording on them? |
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| 23:12:34 | * | petur wonders if an ipod 4 or 5.5 owner can confirm 6989 |
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| 23:15:42 | petur | hmmm my H10 also has a pp5020... |
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| 23:21:35 | petur | nobody with an ipod 4 or 5.5 here? |
| 23:24:14 | beta2k | I do |
| 23:24:34 | beta2k | Want it? :) |
| 23:24:54 | petur | could you do a short recording from line-in and see if tere is noise in the right channel? |
| 23:25:06 | petur | +h |
| 23:25:51 | beta2k | No :) |
| 23:25:58 | beta2k | Sure you don't want it? |
| 23:26:03 | amiconn | Stereo recording on ipod would require a dock cable |
| 23:26:22 | beta2k | Low low price of only nine dolla ninety nine cent! |
| 23:26:29 | petur | amiconn: no need for a source, just silence |
| 23:26:39 | petur | beta2k: ? |
| 23:26:40 | beta2k | (It's dead) |
| 23:26:47 | petur | ah |
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| 23:27:12 | beta2k | Sorry, had to lead you on.. :) |
| 23:27:25 | petur | beta2k: sell it to LambdaCalculus37 and say it is untested |
| 23:27:33 | beta2k | hehehe |
| 23:27:54 | petur | what happened to it? |
| 23:27:59 | beta2k | Think he'll find the melted center buttona nd big burn mark on the broadcom chip? |
| 23:28:07 | beta2k | No idea |
| 23:28:29 | beta2k | The broadcom chip is almost split in half and there's a transistor that vaporized itself |
| 23:28:35 | petur | wow |
| 23:29:10 | gevaerts | petur: be careful. That's not necessarily on-topic here ;) |
| 23:29:26 | beta2k | So, how's about the beer? |
| 23:29:43 | beta2k | Anyone tried any new brews lately? |
| 23:30:02 | domonoky | beers is always on-topic :-) |
| 23:30:21 | beta2k | I know :) |
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| 23:30:50 | Inverse | Granville Island beer is good |
| 23:30:57 | Inverse | Grandville* |
| 23:31:00 | | Part domonoky |
| 23:31:02 | beta2k | Any Gigabeat experts around? |
| 23:31:11 | beta2k | Never tried that, EU only? |
| 23:31:33 | Inverse | sorry i meant granville - it's from Vancouver, CA |
| 23:31:37 | amiconn | petur: I didn't actually record, but the noise level (w/o actual source) looks identical in both channels |
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| 23:32:15 | petur | ok, I'll close that one too... thanks |
| 23:32:22 | amiconn | petur: Btw, the level adjustment in the new recording screen is switched on ipods (Left increases, Right decreases) |
| 23:32:40 | petur | bugger |
| 23:32:41 | amiconn | (s/level/gain and volume/ |
| 23:33:32 | petur | is that a buttonmap bug then? |
| 23:33:51 | amiconn | Well, recording is quirky anyway (because of the broken WM8758 and WM8975 drivers) |
| 23:34:16 | petur | recording.c uses ACTION_SETTINGS_INC and ACTION_SETTINGS_DEC and the repeat variants |
| 23:34:17 | amiconn | It's probably an action bug that needs hacking around |
| 23:36:38 | pixelma | I can imagine that this was the case even before the rec screen rework, I remember trying it out in an Ipod sim once and the keymap was very... besic |
| 23:36:42 | pixelma | *basic too |
| 23:37:11 | petur | btw, am I the only one to find this settings file quite silly? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9274?getfile=17204 |
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| 23:37:54 | amiconn | rasher: Quite some ram savings... |
| 23:38:06 | rasher | amiconn: For what? |
| 23:38:23 | amiconn | r18319 |
| 23:38:39 | rasher | Oh, haha. I guess removing some unused strings turned out to be a good thing |
| 23:38:54 | amiconn | definitely |
| 23:39:35 | rasher | Or maybe the new translations were just shorter. Either way, good thing the build system handles this now, or we might never have noticed |
| 23:40:25 | Bagder | yeah, that works really nice now |
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| 23:42:56 | rasher | Are there other such "large enough + a bit" buffers that might be calculated at compile time instead? |
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| 23:44:04 | Bagder | probably, but I can't think of any right now |
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| 23:49:11 | pixelma | petur: these settings seem a bit silly too me too... 5 seconds time split and triggered recording |
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| 23:49:40 | petur | I think they cause his problem... |
| 23:49:55 | petur | (tracker item 9274) |
| 23:50:39 | pixelma | possibly |
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