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#rockbox log for 2008-08-19

00:00:51 Quit Rob2222 ()
00:03:54shotofaddsJust to clarify, (how) does the feature freeze affect people working on new ports? I don't currently have any working "supported" targets (only a slightly dead H110) so might not be much help bug-squashing, etc.
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00:04:22gevaertsI would say not at all
00:04:24amiconnDefine 'slightly dead'
00:04:35bertrikit's sleeping!
00:04:54*bertrik agrees with gevaerts
00:05:08shotofaddsthe battery lasts only a few hours, and the stop buttons needs re-soldering. other than that it's usable.
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00:05:30shotofaddsnot dead at all really, just poorly
00:05:35amiconnIs it a 20GB or a 5/6GB?
00:06:21shotofaddssorry, H110 = iHP100 10Gb variant. darn iRiver naming scheme...
00:06:49*amiconn overlooked one '1'
00:07:04shotofaddsthe model name changed with a firmware upgrade :o
00:07:10*gevaerts also failed to spot it
00:07:15*amiconn read H10
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00:07:45*shotofadds figured you meant H10. can't help with that, I'm afraid.
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00:09:15gevaertsCan rockbox get the battery charge percentage while charging on the Player?
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00:10:55amiconnCurrently not.
00:11:58gevaertsSo there is a precedent if the sansas can't do it either...
00:12:21amiconnGetting the percentage from the voltage on NiMH during charge is pretty much a shot in the dark anyway
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00:13:32amiconnBut it should be possible. It's just that the Player currently doesn't have a separate voltage table for charging
00:13:57blameHey guys, having a bit of an issue with ID3 tags... mainly the composer tag TBH... on my PC, the track show up with correct tags in all media players and in windoes explorer, but after transferring files to my ipod and re-initialising the database, they don't show up with updated tags - any ideas?
00:14:13gevaertsI guess you'd need a different table for different charging currents
00:14:20amiconnThat's something I wanted to add after the fundamental powermgmt code rearranging
00:15:07bertrikon e200 we can read the battery voltage during charging, on c200 it's not possible. It seems we can get an idea of the charge current during on both c200 and e200 charging though.
00:15:08amiconnMeasuring the charging current is impossible on the Player, but provided the input voltage is high enough, it's almost constant current charging
00:16:02stripwaxblame - do they still show up in the database using the *old* tags, or do the files not show up at all? It's unclear from what you said
00:16:27stripwaxif the former, is it possible you have two or more copies of the same file on your ipod and the database sees both?
00:17:49blame@ stripwax: they show up with the old tags - the file structure is iPod > Music > Artist > Album > mp3 and covers so there's no way theres duplicate files
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00:18:23n1sblame: maybe you have both id3v1 and id3v2 tags though?
00:18:34blamehold on, I'll check
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00:20:45bertrikIIRC there was a id3 fix this weekend
00:21:01blamethe tags are 2.2, not sure how to check if there are still ID3v1 - thought v1 had a composer tag anyway
00:21:29blame@ bertrik: this has been annoying me for a while now, just decided to get it sorted now though lol
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00:26:48bertrikblame, no idea if it fixed your problem though, the fix was in r18304, for ID3v2,4 tags
00:27:55blamewell just updated literally 5 minutes ago, so will restart and check
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00:34:34blamejust read that ID3v2.4 doesn't show up tags in windows explorer - does make a difference in media players?
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01:08:55star_jasminehi everyone... I'm having a lot of trouble registering with the bug reporting option on the rockbox page. every name I choose is taken, but the odd thing is that I was able to register with that name a while ago, yet received no code. can someone help?
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01:14:06rasherstar_jasmine: I think you need to talk to Bagder or Zagor
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01:22:22star_jasmineok thanks
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01:43:49__RoT__hi! is it possible to run rockbox on a sansa e250r2? and is it reomenden? the windows installer (rockboxUtility) seems only to know e200 models...
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01:44:22BigBambiWhat do you mean by r2?
01:44:33BigBambiRockbox runs on the e200r, but not the e200v2
01:44:50__RoT__v2 sorry
01:45:02__RoT__ok no v2 so ic
01:45:03BigBambiNo, as says, it does not run
01:46:52__RoT__thx didn't find that - sad though
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02:19:10AaronHi ther eall
02:19:40AaronI'm trying to install rockbox on my 4G ipod. I'm running os x.4.
02:20:14AaronOK, is anyone here?
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02:23:53BlahmanOK, just read the guidelines; here is my issue.
02:24:10BlahmanWhen I try to install rockbox using the automatic install, I get "Could not detect a device.
02:24:10BlahmanSelect your device and Mountpoint manually."
02:25:36rasherHave you tried doing that?
02:25:46BlahmanYes, I'm trying to find the error I got
02:26:01gevaertsDo you have admin privileges?
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02:27:28BlahmanThe ipodpatcher says it can't find the copyright info, or the ipod, and I should make sure it is unmounted.
02:28:53BlahmanI see Mac OS says I don't have permission
02:28:55Blahman[ERR] FATAL: Permission denied on 1 device(s) and no ipod detected.
02:28:55Blahman[ERR] You need permissions for raw disc access for this program to work!
02:30:07gevaertsThat's the problem then. Unfortunately I don't know enough about macos to know how to solve this
02:30:48BlahmanHmm. I'm not sure how to give the ipodpatcher appropriate permissions
02:31:27BlahmanOr, further, how to give the RB auto installer the appropriate permissions. I'm assuming it's the same issue stopping both actions
02:31:39saratogatry running it with "sudo"
02:32:34BlahmanWhat do you mean? It's an icon.
02:32:57saratogapresumably you have to use the command line to do that, though if you're not sure I suggest google
02:32:57BlahmanPlease forgive my ignorance. I'm sure there is a way to "run" the command with sudo proceeding it. I'm just not sure how
02:33:40saratogaits hard to imagine Apple hasn't documented how exactly the sudo command (or its equvilent) works on their OS
02:34:01BlahmanI'm sure they have, I just haven't had need to learn until now
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02:36:28midgeyAssuming you have RButil in /Applications, I think this will work
02:36:37midgeysudo /Applications/Rockbox\
02:37:33midgeypaste that into Terminal (Applications > Utilities > Terminal)
02:37:48Blahmancmd not found
02:38:13BlahmanMy app is though
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02:38:35midgeyerr damn, change "Rockbox Utility" to rbutil
02:38:50rasherPerhaps there's a way for rbutil to tell OS X that it needs admin privs
02:39:18BlahmanIt opened RB and I got "Your configuration is invalid. This is most likely due to a new installation of Rockbox Utility or a changed device path. The configuration dialog will now open to allow you correcting the problem."
02:39:50midgeysounds normal
02:40:06BlahmanAutodetect doesn't work, selecting the location and gen doesn't work
02:42:09saratogaoddly enough, the instructions don't mention needing sudo on macos
02:42:34BlahmanYeah, i've read all through it.
02:43:04BlahmanI don't know why the RB installer doesn't work. What gets me is that the ipodpatcher can't find the ipod.
02:43:26saratogawell the easiest thing to do is try sudo and see if it actually fixes your problem, then we can update the instructions if it actually matters
02:44:01Blahman[INFO] Scanning disk devices...
02:44:02Blahman[ERR] No ipods found, aborting
02:44:02Blahman[ERR] Please connect your ipod and ensure it is in disk mode
02:44:02DBUGEnqueued KICK Blahman
02:44:02Blahman[ERR] Also ensure that itunes is closed, and that your ipod is not mounted.
02:44:02Blahman[ERR] Please refer to the Rockbox manual if you continue to have problems.
02:44:13BlahmanThat's the error from the ipodpathcer
02:44:42midgeyyour ipod is formatted as FAT32 (windows iPod) right?
02:45:00BlahmanYes, I believe. Mac OS thinks so at least
02:45:31midgeyand you have rbutil 1.0.6?
02:45:37saratogawhich ipod?
02:45:48Blahman4g 20gb
02:45:55Blahmanbrb, I'll check which rbutil
02:46:38BlahmanYes, 0.6
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02:49:54BlahmanI don't understand how to run the "ipodpatcher" command with sudo in front of it
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02:51:24BlahmanOK, just figured it out, but it did not work
02:52:42gevaertsIs the ipod mounted?
02:54:12BlahmanNo, it's not
02:58:19BlahmanI'm trying it all manually again, including a fresh format
02:58:40rasherDomonoky, bluebrother: (for the logs) Stuff about gaining privileges on OS X: .. rbutil should probably use this just before installing the bootloader
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03:03:58BlahmanRedoing it all did not work
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03:04:21Blahmanrbutil can't find my ipod
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03:12:31BlahmanOK, now it autodetects it, but "can not open ipod"
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04:41:16robinkWill RockBox support the iPod Nano 3rd gen soon?
04:42:05scorche| one is currently working on it and things like this tend to not happen by themselves
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05:06:44robinkscorche|sh: Gotcha.
05:06:46saratogaanyone know where the codec thread is actually launched from?
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05:07:26scorche|shsaratoga: soooo..what was the end result of the GSoC project?
05:08:41saratogascorche|sh: I've got a patch on the tracker that enables rockbox as an app, but didn't get very far with a Windows CE port
05:09:40scorche|shdoes that mean you were a success?
05:10:12saratogawell i got some of what I said I would done
05:10:13robinkIs there any OSS firmware for the iPod Nano 3g that support UMS and Vorbis?
05:10:27saratogabut no where near what I wanted
05:10:51saratogai'll probably keep working on the Rockbox as app idea though
05:10:56scorche|shrobink: this is #rockbox...where we talk about rockbox....if there were such a beast, it would be off-topic anyway
05:12:01robinkscorche|sh: Ah, sorry.
05:12:15robinkIs there any documentation of the iPod Nano 3G hardware?
05:12:27scorche|shas in dataseets?
05:12:35scorche|shdatasheets even
05:12:45robinkThat's a bummer
05:13:21scorche|sheven with datasheets, there is still the question of how to get code to run
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05:14:17robinkscorche|sh: Ah. There's no easy way to bootstrap it (lots of DRM)?
05:14:20beta2krobink: the nano's firmware is encrypted
05:14:28robinkbeta2k: That's a pain.
05:14:34beta2kIt's not exactly a easy platform to build for
05:14:54beta2kEspecially with what pays us
05:15:06beta2kwell, the developers taht is
05:15:23robinkWould it help if I donated?
05:15:43beta2kGot a spare nano? :)
05:15:49scorche|shnot likely, but dont let that stop you =)
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05:16:11robinkbeta2k: Nope, sorry. I don't even have a Nano of my own.
05:16:22beta2kMe neither
05:16:23robink(I don't have any type of iPod. I play my media on a PalmOS device an a Nokia N810).
05:16:51beta2kI'm planning on getting a Phillips tho to help with that port
05:17:09robinkThe Nano 3G uses a Phillips CPU?
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05:17:21robinkOh, a Phillips MP3 player.
05:17:24beta2kPhillips makes a MP3 player
05:18:25robinkIs the CPU an ARM, or is it something else entirely?
05:18:32beta2kARM core yes
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05:18:50robinkah, with a DSP or some other specialized logic?
05:19:08saratogano DSP
05:19:08beta2kscorche|sh: Is the nano a PP, or one of those apple branded chips?
05:19:25robinkOh, I was thinking of Philips.
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05:19:37scorche|shit is not a PP
05:20:09beta2kSo one of those funky apple things...
05:20:27scorche|shi believe it is a samsung ARM9, but i would have to google a bit
05:21:10robinkARM9 or Cortex a9?
05:21:38saratogarobink: the phillips is a PP chip, theres no DSP core
05:21:53robinksaratoga: Ah. Floating point support?
05:22:03saratogarobink: no
05:22:17saratogasame dual ARM7 as all the other PP chips
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05:22:39robinksaratoga: I know nothing about PP CPUs.
05:22:54robinkMy only real familiarity with ARMs is with the now Marvell XScale and the TI OMAP.
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05:23:01beta2kA dual ARM7 specific built for MP3 players
05:23:05robinkbeta2k: Ahh.
05:23:07saratogathey're about as slow as you can still buy ARM cores
05:23:18beta2kHunks of junk :)
05:23:19scorche|shdualcore he means
05:23:35robinkMakes me happy I have my OMAP2420.
05:24:04robinkARM11+TI_DSP+ARM7TDMI+PowerVR chipset.
05:24:15scorche|shi dont see how this is ontopic
05:24:31robinkscorche|sh: The chat about PP processors isn't ontopic?
05:24:48scorche|shyou were going on about the OMAP
05:24:59robinkscorche|sh: Apologies
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06:36:25robinkWhat percentage of Rockbox-supported MP3 players have CPUs with SIMD instructions?
06:37:06robinkThis is slightly OT as I'm curious about what percentage of MP3 players rely purely on the main CPU (optionally with FP instructions) for audio decoding.
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06:42:18saratogarobink: regarding your SIMD question, I believe 0% of the supported targets
06:42:52saratogaalthough the Gigabeat S will be supported eventually, and I believe it has the standard ARM11 vector extensions
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09:39:15pondlifeBagder: Morning! Are you able to update the project news to mention the freeze, or are you still away?
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09:40:59B4gderI'm back in business, I'll update the site
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09:50:38scorche|shkrz: hey goes it?
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10:06:25pondlifeWho's the Speex expert?
10:06:31pondlifeAs in voice-via-Speex
10:07:23n1spondlife: jmspeex
10:07:37pondlifeThe clue is in the name ;)
10:07:51n1sand preglow i'd guess
10:08:15pondlifeI suspect the voice output from the decoder isn't being flushed - has more details...
10:08:32pondlifeMight just be a PCM thing though..
10:17:24amiconnIt is a pcm bug. Also happens with tracks, not only voice clips
10:17:54pondlifeI suspect there is also an underlying voice bug.
10:18:08pondlifeThe PCM bug is only the cutoff clips, right?
10:18:36pondlifeOr might it not be flushing some buffer?
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10:27:23pixelmareminds me that voicing of the "end of playlist" splash stopped working on swcodec quite a while ago
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10:31:09pixelmaI believe it stopped with MoB and I don't know if it's related or not, was just reminded
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11:03:17tringuyenIs there any way to build the cross-compiler for Mac OSX 10.5?
11:04:25B4gderrockboxdev,sh should work on that as well
11:04:42tringuyenI tried, but it returned error.
11:04:50B4gderwhat did it say?
11:04:50linuxstbHave you installed "xcode" ?
11:05:03tringuyenI can build apps with MacPorts
11:05:31linuxstbAs B4gder asked, what was the exact error message?
11:06:54tringuyenI've just close my terminal, let me do it again. Please wait.
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11:26:50curichi all, recently my e200 hold button snapped off and after cheacking out an iphone (*not mine* :P) i got the idea to maybe try to write some kind of 'software hold' patch... the only issue being i'm not so good at programming... does anyone here know of any plugins which do anything similar which i could use to 'educate' myself?
11:27:44B4gderhold can't be done by a plugin anyway
11:28:11B4gderbut getting familiar with rockbox can be done with any (plugin) source code
11:28:30pixelmathe Archos players already have a software hold in Rockbox. I don't know where the code for that is though
11:29:08curicyeah, i didnt mean 'hardware hold' which i guess you are implying e200s have
11:29:26curicbut that's interesting to know pixelma
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11:30:32curici'm going to have a poke around when 7zip finishes extracting but i will probably just come crying back to irc!
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11:35:47*petur once wrote a SW HOLD function for recording
11:36:49pixelmathe software hold on the Archos is only active in the WPS but it's quite convenient
11:36:55peturit's quite old, might not apply anymore, but here is it: petur/virtual_hold.patch">
11:37:19peturit was written for h300
11:37:55peturand h100 it seems
11:38:11amiconnThe archos SW hold is flexible enough to be used in any screen, provided you find a (possible) button combo for it
11:38:57pixelmaI like that it's only used in the WPS, personal preference though ;)
11:39:58curicthat's where i would want it too, i'm a 'take out of pocket, choose, put back in' kind of guy.
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12:07:40tringuyenHere's the error.
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12:13:06tringuyenAnd I have noticed binutils configure error: C compiler cannot create executable.
12:13:50n1stringuyen: oh, you need to fix that first then, it could be a permission problem
12:14:02tringuyenhow can I do that?
12:14:53*n1s has no macosx experience whatsoever
12:15:17n1stringuyen: is that the first error you get when running
12:16:02n1spossibly binutils are not in your PATH?
12:16:15tringuyenit is in my path
12:16:33tringuyenI have built a dozen of apps from macports.
12:16:53n1syou need binutils for the correct arch, in this case arm
12:16:54tringuyenso it's probably in my path anyway.
12:17:27n1sbinutils builds this too, before gcc but the gcc build needs binutils to create the libs
12:17:39tringuyenAFAIK automatically set the PATH when compilling gcc.
12:17:54LloreanThat's one thing you have to do manually after running it.
12:18:08linuxstbIt should set it temporarily - otherwise it couldn't compile gcc
12:18:37linuxstbThis line - PATH="${PATH}:$bindir"
12:18:40LloreanAh, should've read up further.
12:18:58*Llorean thought it was the gcc path being set.
12:19:12linuxstbtringuyen: Do you have any other cross-compilers already installed? Or anything else that may be confusing things?
12:20:05tringuyenI have installed arm-elf-binutils 2.17 from macports before. But I have removed it before I run
12:21:54linuxstbIf I was you, I would probably install the cross-compilers manually, to get a better idea of what might be going wrong - this page has instructions:
12:22:30tringuyenI have try it too, binutils returned the same: C Compiler cannot create executable.
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12:22:46linuxstbSo the problem is when compiling binutils?
12:22:54tringuyenI think so
12:23:14linuxstbYour pastebin showed an error whilst building gcc.
12:23:20linuxstb(which is done after binutils)
12:24:31tringuyenAnd there's a lot of "no such instruction" error. Which i think binutils related.
12:25:03n1sit sounds to me like your native binutils are trying to build arm libs or some such weirdness
12:25:51tringuyenI think it's probably because of former binutils building failed.
12:37:45tringuyenI have built am-elf-binutils manually. And this is the error:
12:38:31gevaertsconfig.log may contain more information
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12:39:13tringuyenAnd this happen when i 'make' it. Not when running configure.
12:41:26tringuyenAnd this is the config.log if you need:
12:49:22tringuyenThis is the config.log of subdirectory binutils:
12:50:29gevaertsAre your permissions on /tmp (or $TEMP, or $TMP, not sure) correct?
12:50:47gevaertsOr did you try building as root previously?
12:51:24tringuyenI used: sudo ./
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12:54:19jmspeexpondlife: pong
12:54:56linuxstbtringuyen: And are you still using sudo now?
12:54:57gevaertstringuyen: try removing /tmp/rbdev-build for a start
12:55:19pondlifejmspeex: Just wondered if you'd understand how the voice decode works - not the innards of speex itself, more how it feeds PCM.
12:55:49jmspeexpondlife: sorry, no idea at all
12:55:51linuxstbpondlife: I think that's preglow's and jhMikeS's domain.
12:55:59pondlifeAh, ok. Never mind then.
12:56:36pondlifeThe voice truncation bug is top of my wish list at the moment (i.e. for 3.0)..
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13:00:00linuxstbIs it target-specific?
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13:05:08Lloreanlinuxstb: I know it's been reproduced on several targets, but at the top of my head I can't think of any confirmation I've seen on coldfire, just arm.
13:05:47pondlifelinuxstb: Are you talking about the voice truncation?
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13:05:52linuxstbpondlife: Yes
13:05:58pondlifeIt happens in the sim
13:06:20pondlifeAnd on H300
13:07:22pondlifeThe main menu "Playlists" entry is an easy one to hear.
13:07:55pondlife(with my L&H voice, at least)
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13:35:37LambdaCalculus37rasher: (for the logs) I'm going to do some more non-translation string fixes for a couple of more languages; I'll post the FS number when I'm done.
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13:40:03JdGordonanyone else think party mode should be disabled when the playlist stops by itself?
13:40:09JdGordonor whent he player is shutdown
13:40:27pondlifeNot if it's a setting...
13:40:36pondlife(Although I get your point!)
13:40:38JdGordonthere is at least one bug report where party mode causes problems when there is no playlist
13:41:03JdGordon... or, party mode is ignored if we are starting a new playlist
13:41:09pondlifeThat's more like it
13:41:22pondlifei.e. clarify the party mode restriction
13:41:23JdGordonprobably not as easy to find all the places though
13:42:54LloreanThe playlist shouldn't stop if Party Mode is on.
13:43:11pondlifeAuto repeat?
13:43:15LloreanI'd think so.
13:43:23LambdaCalculus37rasher: (again for the logs) FS #9303.
13:43:23B4gderI think I agree
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13:43:30B4gderparty == music non-stop
13:43:35pondlifeBut repeat is already a setting...
13:43:35LloreanThe point of party mode is "music CANNOT stop, no matter what you try"
13:43:47LloreanI think it should just override "Repeat Off" to be "Repeat All"
13:43:58LloreanAll other repeat values should be honored.
13:44:43pondlifeI'd rather just make it a UI restriction
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13:45:02pondlifeNothing more - it's not exactly hard to set repeat all
13:45:15LloreanIt's not exactly hard not to press the Stop button either, for that matter.
13:45:32LloreanParty mode is a stupid feature, but if we're gonna keep it, it should at least be foolproof and that means "prevent stopping at all costs"
13:45:54pondlifeAh, what exactly is the party mode restriction? I thought it locked the UI down so stop wasn't allowed?
13:46:00pondlifeI never used it though...
13:46:11LloreanIt prevents stopping, I think it prevents skipping to the next track too.
13:46:49*JdGordon tends to agree about forcing repeat all
13:46:54LloreanBest described as "you can't interfere with playback beyond adding or removing songs from the playlist"
13:46:57pondlifeUrgh, why not scrap it?
13:47:28B4gderhah, things we've added can never be removed ;-)
13:48:04pondlifeI have a party.cfg to turn off voice/beeps, enable crossfade, set repeat all and turn on the dynamic playlist warning.
13:48:12pondlifeNever needed to use party mode
13:48:40Lloreanpondlife: I think the idea of party mode is to prevent *other* people from interfering with playback.
13:49:05LloreanBasically, if they don't know about that one setting, they can't really accidentally do much that would directly interfere with the music.
13:49:24pondlifeOK, so it's a UI lockdown
13:49:25B4gderhand over the player to party participant "mr destroyer" and let him pick a few songs
13:49:37pondlifeSo it lets you browse...
13:49:41Lloreanpondlife: That's the gist I got when it was being considered.
13:49:42*pondlife must try it out
13:49:43LloreanBrowse and insert.
13:49:53pondlifeJukebox mode?
13:50:01*JdGordon isnt sure where to force repeat_all mode
13:50:21pondlifeI don't think it should force that - just make it act like a jukebox!
13:50:30pondlife(Put your money in the tray.)
13:50:40Lloreanpondlife: So, play random songs from the database if the queue ends? :-P
13:50:51pondlife(But seriously, no need)
13:50:52LloreanThat could ruin a party right quick.
13:50:56JdGordonyeah, also thats wrong anyway... it only needs to force rep all if its not a dirplay.. so yeah, I like it just ignoreing the setting if there is nothing playing
13:51:21pondlifeJdGordon: Don't muck about with repeat settings - it's easy to set repeat all anyway
13:51:37*pondlife doesn't like independent things to be tied together.
13:52:01Lloreanpondlife: So you'd like playback to stop when a setting is set that's supposed to prevent stopping playback?
13:52:11pondlifeYes, if there's nothing left to play
13:52:29pondlifeThe setting is a UI lockdown to stop people breaking the flow
13:52:31JdGordonLlorean: no, I agree with pondlife in that the setting is to stop people changing the playlist... not to make sure it always keeps playing
13:52:52pondlifeYou can set Party + Repeat All for the non-stop mode
13:53:01LloreanJdGordon: The ONE thing it allows people to do is change the playlist...
13:53:12JdGordonqueue last...
13:53:15LloreanIt's there to keep people from interrupting playback.
13:53:49JdGordoneither way.. this commit should make it slightly more better :p
13:54:42pondlifeIt lets you browse freely, not queue last!
13:54:52pondlifei.e. it's not a jukebox mode.
13:54:52Lloreanpondlife: It lets you insert and queue.
13:55:04pondlifeIt lets me browse and then plays immediately
13:55:20LloreanIt shouldn't let you play immediately, I thought
13:55:36pondlifeI'd also think that's a bit odd
13:55:54LloreanAh well
13:55:59LloreanNever liked the feature anyway. Get rid of it. :-P
13:56:40pondlife"Jukebox mode" would be more obvious - complete with random generation at an unreasonably high volume level ;)
13:57:17Lloreanpondlife: Jukebox mode shouldn't generate randomly
13:57:20pondlifeAha - party mode restricts the file browser, but NOT the database
13:57:29pondlifeI was entirely joking
13:57:30LloreanIt should read from a fixed jukebox.m3u, and only show you songs from that .m3u file in the database
13:57:51Lloreanpondlife: Well THAT sounds broken. =/
13:58:18pondlifeThat's why I was confused.
13:58:24JdGordonpondlife: just found that bug report... fixing
13:58:32JdGordon(after i double check its an issue still)
13:58:44pondlifeIt is
13:58:51pondlife(Or was at 9am today)
14:00:02*JdGordon likes fixing easy bugs :)
14:00:05pondlifeIt won't let you skip, but will let you go into the context menu and do anything there :/
14:00:13pondlifeSeems a bit silly
14:00:47pondlifeI mean, the skip restriction seems silly.
14:01:44*JdGordon does not like the tagtree system at all...
14:02:04JdGordonnew bugreport.... "tagtree.c" :p
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14:13:01JdGordonanyone wanna comment on ? he is definatly right that that change would be correct... but will it cause problems elsewhere?
14:14:39JdGordonshould I commit and wait and see if it causes problems?
14:14:57pondlifeIs there a pl_free() ?
14:17:04pondlifeOK, so it will just run out of memory, but now detect it correctly?
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14:17:53*pondlife wonders if there's common code in filetree.c and tagtree.c that could be shared to help...
14:18:38JdGordonpondlife: I guess so (to the first message) and probably not (to the second)
14:22:29JdGordonsleep(0) is safe isnt it?
14:23:45pondlifeWell, it'll yield.
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14:27:39*JdGordon is trying to track down a segfault in spacerocks
14:27:53JdGordonafter 15s or so the sim will segfault in tick_timer()!
14:28:27JdGordonyeah, its not helping much
14:28:38JdGordonhappens on target also
14:30:36pondlifeJdGordon: Tried old versions to work out when the problem started?
14:30:47pondlifeI assume this used to work ;)
14:30:56amiconnThe common code should already be in tree.c
14:31:16JdGordonunless the sim can get through 5 ticks in the time it takes to do "if (end > *rb->current_tick) rb->sleep(end - *rb->current_tick);" I dont tihnk its trying to sleep for a neg time
14:31:44pondlifeThat should just be a long sleep, not a segfault
14:32:36JdGordonah, unsigned?
14:32:59JdGordonok, its not caused by the sleep
14:33:06amiconnDon't use > or < for tick comparisons. That's what the TIME_BEFORE() and TIME_AFTER() macros are for
14:33:09*JdGordon has no idea how to debug this
14:33:10pondlifeAny chance of re-entry?
14:33:44amiconnAnd the tick is signed, otherwise those macros wouldn't work when the counter wraps
14:34:02JdGordonno, its in in a while(true)
14:37:56pondlifeDoes it only segfault when advancing a level?
14:38:07pondlifeWhich it does in "attract mode".
14:38:17JdGordonno, it will crash just leaving it at the start screen
14:38:28JdGordonsomehow a new ticktask is added
14:38:34JdGordonso maybe stack corruption?
14:39:00JdGordontick_tasks[0] stays in tact though, tick_task[1] gets a fubar address during th eplugin exectution
14:42:29pondlifeIt must be being overwritten, no?
14:42:41pondlifetick_add_task() is the only function that should update tick_funcs[]
14:42:54pondlifeAnd that is not called, apparently
14:43:28kugelJdGordon: pin
14:43:47JdGordonyou dont need to ping 20s after I said something....
14:43:50JdGordonim obviously here
14:44:20*JdGordon very unscientifically narrowing it down
14:44:37pondlifeI'd do a historical binchop, I think
14:44:52JdGordonits in draw_and_move_asteroids()
14:46:11kugelYou know why I'm ping'ing
14:46:16pondlifePutting a 10k buffer before tick_funcs[] seems to fix it ;)
14:48:40JdGordonI tihnk it could be his array indexing is fubar...
14:49:00curicIn this example: 'action_name, BUTTON_POWER|BUTTON_RIGHT, BUTTON_POWER' am i correct in saying that the power button needs to be held down while pressing the 'right' button for the action to work? - correct me if i'm not :s
14:49:08JdGordon... hmm maybe not
14:49:20JdGordoncuric: yes
14:51:39ZambeziI earlier spoke with a person who modified his iPod Mini 2gen 4 GB with CF 32 GB. Anyone remember who? I need to ask one question about the adaptor (I already got the card).
14:52:08JdGordonyou dont need an adaptor for the mini
14:52:33ZambeziJdGordon: Oh. That sounds lovely. :-)
14:52:57ZambeziJdGordon: I got the 32 GB CF-card today. Guess what I paid! :-)
14:58:54*gevaerts spots interesting information in FS #8663
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15:28:50gevaertsamiconn: could you have a look at the latest two comments in FS #8663 ?
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17:00:07B4gderrasher: I think its just due to it using a hash and the order thus becomes a bit "random"
17:00:23B4gderI can't recall any (other) specific reason
17:00:40rasherSounds likely. Some translators seem to dislike when the languages get out of order :\
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17:36:20swimmer_hi all - did something change with the installation of rbutil? Since a few weeks (can't be more precise since I was traveling a lot lately) I don't get a rbutilqt binary anymore after compiling + installing on a Gentoo box ...
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17:37:43rasherswimmer_: it's right there in rbutil/rbutilqt/rbutilqt
17:38:01swimmer_rasher: not for me ...
17:38:20swimmer_rasher: at least not if I emerge ...
17:38:40swimmer_rasher: let me see what happens if I just unpack + compile
17:40:52swimmer_negative - no rbutilqt in rbutil/rbutilqt/ ...
17:41:50Lloreanswimmer_: Have you tried checking out the sources with SVN and compiling them the way described in the wiki?
17:42:27swimmer_Llorean: nope - until now I used an ebuild from an overlay which was working quite well all the time until lately
17:43:18LloreanWell, I'd recommend you try doing it the way we actually provide support for, then.
17:43:38LloreanJust to help be sure where the problem might be.
17:43:56swimmer_ok ok - I was just wondering why it stopped working ...
17:44:00swimmer_sorry to bother
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17:44:46*GodEater wrote the original ebuld, and can't imagine why it'd suddenly stop working
17:44:56GodEaternot that I can test any more
17:44:56*linuxstb blames perl
17:45:10GodEaterportage is written in python, so you should blame that too
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17:45:51rasherAnd uh.. shellscripts
17:46:07GodEaterjust blame everything
17:46:09GodEaterit saves time
17:46:17*LambdaCalculus37 blames everything
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17:50:00*swimmer_ is still searching this famous article in the wiki
17:50:52*GodEater looks blank
17:51:34Lloreanswimmer_: Do you mean "searching for"?
17:52:02GodEaterI think that's the one you're looking for
17:52:22swimmer_this is the error I get compiling ->
17:53:09swimmer_godeater: thx - I saw this one indeed ;-)
17:54:16linuxstbDoes the ebuild download the code from SVN? If so, does it grab the apps/codecs/libspeex/ directory?
17:54:47linuxstbI guess the addition of speex encoding broke it...
17:55:01swimmer_linuxstb: it does indeed
17:55:42linuxstbIt does download the libspeex directory?
17:56:34swimmer_"subversion_fetch "${ESVN_REPO_URI}/apps/codecs/libspeex" apps/codecs/libspeex"
17:56:35GodEaterit does
17:56:40swimmer_looks like it ...
17:57:35rasherAnd tools/rbspeex?
17:57:38GodEaterswimmer_: do you get any errors at all from the ebuild ?
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17:57:51GodEaterrasher: it gets all of tools
17:57:56swimmer_godeater: posted above ...
17:58:09LloreanIs RBUtil even building right now?
17:58:14LloreanI mean, I guess that'd be the first question to ask
17:58:26LloreanIt might be in a state where it's not expected to build, for one reason or another.
17:58:38LloreanI mean, it's not like we expect people to be using bleeding edge versions of it.
17:58:53linuxstbYes, that seems like a bug in the Makefile - not specific to the ebuild...
17:59:03*linuxstb pings bluebrother and domonoky
17:59:15*swimmer_ blames everything
17:59:34GodEaterok - who broke the Makefile ? :)
17:59:44LloreanWhy do we have an ebuild that checks out bleeding edge sources for RBUtil, anyway?
17:59:46linuxstbThat label is related to a recent change in the Makefile to build universal binaries for OS X, so we blame Steve Jobs
17:59:53LloreanI don't think it's reasonable to expect the source will always build.
17:59:55GodEaterLlorean: because that's the way I wrote it =/
18:00:08LloreanGodEater: Why'd you make it that way then?
18:00:10GodEaterthat's also why it's a -9999 ebuild
18:00:14linuxstbLlorean: I think that's pretty reasonable - people should try and keep svn building...
18:00:16GodEaterit implies it probably won't work
18:00:31rasherSeems to me it should get the latest tag (however that works)
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18:00:49Lloreanlinuxstb: But we release version-numbered rbutils. It allows the devs to actually use the SVN repository to collaborate on work, rather than trading patches back and forth.
18:01:13GodEaterit would be trivial to change it to just grab a tagged version
18:01:24GodEaterit's just at the time I wrote it, I don't even think there was a "release" version of rbutil
18:01:28GodEaterand no-one's updated it since then
18:01:32*swimmer_ grabs the popcorn
18:01:35GodEaterleast of all me, since I don't use gentoo anymore
18:02:03GodEatercaveat: trivial assuming the releases *are* tagged of course ;)
18:02:26linuxstbLlorean: Yes, but it defeats the purpose if the SVN version won't even compile...
18:02:34Lloreanlinuxstb: What purpose?
18:02:39domonokyofcourse we make tags/branches when we release new rbutil versions.. :-)
18:02:43LloreanWe don't expect people to use the SVN version.
18:02:44linuxstbLlorean: "collaborate on work"
18:03:24*GodEater volunteers a gentoo user to fix the ebuild so it grabs a tagged version
18:03:28Lloreanlinuxstb: Where does "collaborate on work" imply "don't break the build"?
18:03:33*GodEater looks in swimmer_'s direction
18:03:53linuxstbLlorean: Huh? How can you collaborate on something you can't even compile?
18:04:20swimmer_GodEater: sure I'm willing to help
18:04:24linuxstbBut I think we're arguing over two different things. You're saying users shouldn't use SVN versions of rbutil, and I'm saying SVN should at least be kept in a compilable state.
18:04:24domonokylinuxstb: collaborate in fixing it, so it compiles again.. *hehe* :-)
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18:05:12Lloreanlinuxstb: Firstly, even if it's compilable that doesn't mean it'll be "working". But what if it's not compilable on OSX but compiles fine on Windows?
18:05:14domonokyboth is true, we want users to use releases versions of rbutil. But of course svn should stay compileable while developing new versions..
18:06:03GodEaterswimmer_: the key point is since I no longer have a gentoo install, I no longer have any portage docs - so you'll have to hunt out the method of telling subversion_fetch to grab a tagged release
18:06:24linuxstbdomonoky: Yes.
18:07:24Lloreanlinuxstb: All I ever said is that i don't think it's reasonable to expect the bleeding edge will always build.
18:07:26*GodEater thinks Llorean is probably right about the "package" version of rbutil - it shouldn't grab bleeding edge code as it's supposed to be an "easy install" for end users.
18:07:31LloreanI didn't say people shouldn't try to keep it building.
18:07:43swimmer_GodEater: given I understand enough from subversion I'm confident to get the ebuild done ;-)
18:07:52GodEaterswimmer_: awesome :)
18:09:21swimmer_so which tagged release do you guys want me to fetch?
18:10:05LloreanAny way to just do the one with the biggest version number?
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18:10:27GodEaterLlorean: that would be tricky I suspect
18:10:36domonokyat the moment its: tags/rbutil_m1.0.6 but the number will rise overtime :-)
18:10:48LloreanCan we give a single revision more than one tag?
18:10:50GodEateronce we have a working ebuild that grabs what we consider the "latest" now, I think it'll be easy to update it in future
18:10:58linuxstbWhy use svn at all? Couldn't we just make it use a source tarball, and symlink "rbutil-latest" or similar?
18:11:04Lloreanlike moving tags/rbutil_current each time a new one is release?
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18:15:54swimmer_hmm - the svn-server is not browseable anymore
18:16:07GodEaterthat seems a sensible idea, provided we can version number them as well as tag them ?
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18:16:56bertrikswimmer_, svn update fails for me too
18:17:08bertrikoh, now it doesn't
18:17:13swimmer_svn is back
18:19:08swimmer_GodEater: I'm wondering if I just should fetch the tagged rbutil release and get apps/codecs/libspeex & tools still from trunk?
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18:21:07swimmer_oops - svn seems really dead now ...
18:23:01domonokyswimmer_: i dont think thats a good idea, there could be changes in tools/ and in libspeex. Then you could get problems, and always have a different version of rbutil, than anyone else ( bad for support)...
18:23:54gevaertsIs there something like CACHED_ADDR() that basically is the reverse of UNCACHED_ADDR() ?
18:23:55swimmer_domonoky: reasonable - but in the short glimpse I could take I did not see the corresponding parts from trunk in tags ..
18:24:49domonokyswimmer_: the tag "should" include all parts, but i can not check at moment because of the slow svn..
18:25:20swimmer_domonoky: this would be brillant :)
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18:28:36swimmer_ok :)
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18:29:38swimmer_any more info about the svn server?
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18:29:53bertrikgevaerts, I understand you're investigating some new clues regarding the sd corruption problems, nice
18:30:44gevaertsWhat do invalidate_icache() and flush_icache() mean exactly?
18:30:56gevaertsbertrik: indeed. Let's hope we have the real one this time
18:31:06domonokyit seems someone has to kick our svn server ? Bagder ?
18:32:08*LambdaCalculus37 throws a boot at the SVN server
18:32:21bertrikdomonoky, I get a "network unreachable" so I'm not sure it's really the server or service itself
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18:33:27*domonoky gets the same error, so someone has to kick the network where our svn server is :-)
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18:34:56swimmer_ah I see that agaffney is here as well - he's even a Gentoo developer ;-)
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18:35:28swimmer_too late ;-)
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18:35:56LambdaCalculus37swimmer_: Sounds like you guys can help keep the ebuilds for rbutil up to date, then. ;)
18:36:29swimmer_but no fears agaffney - I want to try it myself and can get help on the gentoo channels if necessary ...
18:36:46swimmer_agaffney: and the ebuild goes to devnull anyway ...
18:37:06agaffneyI was wondering why I saw the word "ebuild" in here earlier :P
18:37:33*swimmer_ blames GodEater this time ;-)
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18:41:20swimmer_hmm - I can't do anything without the server :P
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19:26:44moosgevaerts: hope you fix it. What is left, to enable USB on svn and then for the coming release?
19:27:54gevaertsmoos: there's still a bug with remounting the filesystem (the software usb stack doesn't do that properly. Should not be too hard to fix), and the "hub problem", i.e. on some setups it doesn't work well
19:28:18gevaertsBut at least neither of those should be able to cause data loss
19:28:52moosa good point if we want USB for the release
19:30:31gevaertsThe hub problem is a bit of an issue though. If that's not solved it means we need a way to disable the usb stack easily, which means having firmware/ code accessing settings
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19:31:49Lloreanmoos: We probably shouldn't enable USB for the release.
19:32:08LloreanIt's still largely untested on a large scale, so even if we thought it was working it'd be impossible to get it widely tested in time.
19:32:39LloreanIt should probably be put aside for 3.1
19:32:58LloreanOnce 3.0 is out, there's really no reason *not* to enable it in bleeding edge builds (assuming the corruption issue is solved)
19:33:06moosLlorean: is there already a list of targets that will be concerned?
19:33:12moosfor 3.0
19:33:52amiconngevaerts: That sounds really fishy...
19:34:13LambdaCalculus37AFAIK the iriver H100 is one of the targets for 3.0, isn't it?
19:34:14Lloreanmoos: Not really. Probably all of them that have daily builds, with one or two targets still under debate last I heard (mainly iPod 1G/2G
19:34:29LloreanLambdaCalculus37: Basically, every target is a candidate for it right now.
19:34:32moosLlorean: Ok
19:34:37*amiconn would like to see the out-of-sync tracknumber in the wps during trackchange fixed asap :\
19:34:38LloreanOr at least, every one that we count as "supported"
19:34:50Lloreanamiconn: Out of sync track number?
19:35:16amiconnLlorean: The track number in the wps advances ~3 seconds before the actual track change on swcodec
19:35:45gevaertsamiconn: exactly. We could also have some magic key to hold during connect of course, but IMHO that's fine for a development version but not for a release
19:35:54*moos noticed that they wasn't bug hunting sessions this time (probably like always, lack of time for anyway)
19:35:58Lloreanamiconn: Is there a tracker entry for this? Does Nico_P know?
19:36:23amiconnNico_P should know this. It's a long-standing issue
19:36:24mooss/anyway/every one
19:36:28Lloreanmoos: People should be hunting bugs always, and we've talked about the upcoming release since devcon so anyone who was actively interesting knew to be doing it anyway.
19:36:44Lloreanamiconn: I thought it was supposed to be fixed some time ago, though.
19:36:53amiconnHe tried to fix it once, but that introduced several other playback quirks. The fix for those brought back the issue
19:36:53LloreanI was thinking it had been reintroduced maybe.
19:36:54*moos remenber the last release attempt ;)
19:39:00amiconnI mean the playlist position, not the track number (which is part of the tags and works properly)
19:39:04moosplayback engine is a snake :)
19:39:32moossince his first incarnation for sw target
19:39:32Lloreanamiconn: Is it just dependent on when it starts decoding the next track to PCM then?
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19:40:27amiconngevaerts: Btw, you would need a cache invalidation, not a cache flush, iiuc (usb driver writing to uncached memory, cpu reading it cached in order to transfer it to the sd card)
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19:41:18gevaertsamiconn: that's what I worked out. Thanks for the confirmation though
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19:50:02amiconngevaerts: Maybe it's the fifo write speed?
19:50:15amiconnRead transfers are optimised, write transfers aren't
19:50:29amiconnAnd using the cached address makes the cpu read faster
19:51:06gevaertsamiconn: I assume it's something like that. If so, iram may also help, but if cached accesses work that would be overkill
19:51:27amiconnHence, the transfer might be too slow when using the uncached address, but then applying a similar optimisation as the one already present for reading should help too
19:52:07amiconnCompare copy_read_sectors_fast(), copy_read_sectors_slow() and copy_write_sectors()
19:52:31amiconnAlthough, there's a comment saying writes need to be kept slow "for now"...
19:53:38gevaertsUnfortunately it doesn't say why
19:53:53amiconnThere's one way to find out...
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20:04:19star_jasminehi everyone. doees anyone know how to enable making sapi 4 voices with the rbuilt utility? it has he options for it, but can't create voices with any sapi 4 synhesizer using
20:04:43swimmer_Llorean: could you realise a copy of the latest tagged version to rbutil_{latest,current,your_choice}?
20:05:36star_jasmineI"m using rbuilt 1.6
20:10:31domonokystar_jasmine: you may be the first person testing this feature... i had problems with my sapi4 voices when i built this... (its just there because the underlying sapi_voice.vbs script also can do this :-) )
20:11:39amiconndomonoky: Did you read my comment re the change in sapi_voice.vbs stdio communication?
20:12:03domonokyno.. what changed ?
20:12:18*domonoky needs to read the log..
20:12:35amiconnCurrent sapi_voice.vbs wants all stdin data as utf-16, and stdout's utf-16 as well
20:13:54amiconnutf16le, that is, i.e. native "windows unicode"
20:14:04domonokyso i should make sure rbutil gives those string as utf-16 to the vbs script...
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20:15:21amiconnBut since rbutil is an executable, it would probably be a good idea to interface to sapi directly. I don't know how difficult this would be, but it's more flexible
20:15:21domonokyabout the error without voice, rbutil trys to catch this, but it only waits 300 ms for the error :-)
20:15:46amiconnE.g. it should allow to set up to 8x speed for sapi4 (sapi4 via automation is restricted to 1x realtime)
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20:16:25domonokyyes, using sapi directly out of C/c++ would be better, but the API is not easy and it needs a special sdk, more depencies :-)
20:16:26amiconndomonoky: The returned values are utf-16 as well
20:18:52star_jasminehmmmm I know nothing about code, but would be glad to help if I could.
20:22:41amiconnActually, setting faster-than-realtime speeds is documented for sapi4 automation, but it doesn't work
20:23:11amiconnI tried it both with Microsoft and L&H voices
20:25:05star_jasmineoh... one more suggestion/thing I've noticed. when making voices with rbuilt, parts of words *the ends of words actually) get cut off, but when I use cygwin, it doesn.t my cygwin is so messed up at the moment
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20:31:56amiconnrasher: What do you think about renaming the wrongly named languages before release?
20:33:26swimmer_GodEater_: the new ebuild works so far but I can't use it since rbutil_m1.0.6 is hardcoded in it atm :-/
20:33:34swimmer_agaffney: see above ...
20:34:36swimmer_and now down to me guests ;-0
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20:36:29amiconnczech -> cesky, finnish -> suomi (as per convention, languages using latin script should use their native name, written without accented letters)
20:37:15kugelthe tracker search is so bad
20:37:49amiconnAnd probably srpski -> serbian (as it's the cyrillic variant)
20:38:33kugelsearching for "rockbox as an application" just gives 316 results
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20:39:17kugeleven though there's 1 entry which exactly matches the term
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20:44:12pixelmaI don't think it's bad - you can narrow it down by searching in certain categories only and sort the hits by the different columns etc...
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20:52:57amiconndomonoky: Where does rbutil apply the language/engine/voice specific corrections which are done in when using the build system?
20:53:13amiconnOr doesn't it do that at all? (which would be bad...)
20:53:49domonokythis feature is still missing... :-/
20:55:12kugelpixelma: It would be a good start if the search results were not sorted by ID
20:55:34pixelmayou can sort them all the way you want
20:55:55pixelmaclick on the headlines of the columns
20:56:09kugelpixelma: Except by best results
20:56:17kugelwhich would be desirable
20:56:58gevaertsYou're assuming that there is such a thing
20:57:26LloreanAs well, including "rockbox" as a search term is a recipe for disaster.
20:58:05kugelLlorean: "as an application" gives still 310 results
20:58:13LloreanIf I just search for "application" I get a whole 7 results.
20:58:27LloreanAnd if I search for "rockbox as an application" but check the "search for all words" option I only get 4
20:58:57kugelBut I know the task is called "rockbox as an application", it'd be just logical if the matched entry is the first result
20:59:01LloreanSo your complaint is "I had it search for any individual word from the list 'as, an, application, Rockbox' and got many results"
20:59:55Lloreankugel: I don't see why you're complaining to us, anyway. Go bug the flyspray devs if you think their search is stupid or don't like the options it gives you...
21:00:00pixelmaI think every search engine requires some getting used to for best results but recently I often found what I was looking for in the tracker
21:00:32star_jasminehi everyone. I"m having trouble accessing any page on flyspray. I've registered, and when I log in, I am direced to a blank page. if I type in the URl to the new report, a blank page comes up again. I"m using jaws for windows, bu have also used window eyes as a screenreader to see if that helps. it didn't
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21:01:59kugelusing google to search the tracker seems to be the better way
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21:02:57Lloreankugel: What exactly do you expect us to do about it?
21:03:07star_jasmineI have a bug repor that I'd like o file
21:03:32unexperiencedrocCould someone tell me what video formats rockbox supports?
21:03:47Lloreanunexperiencedroc: MPEG1 and MPEG2 as described in the documentation.
21:04:02unexperiencedrocThere is a documentation?
21:04:20kugelLlorean: Not more than you're able to
21:04:29Lloreankugel: That's not an answer.
21:04:33unexperiencedrocAnd what file extension is is that
21:04:45Lloreanunexperiencedroc: Look at the website, the menu on the left, there's a section that says documentation...
21:04:50rasheramiconn: Any more than finnish?
21:05:01domonokyunexperiencedroc: see manual or wiki MpegPlayer
21:05:19unexperiencedrocI could not find it in the manual
21:05:20Lloreankugel: We didn't write the software. Are you expecting us to implement a whole new search for it, or are you just wasting everyone's time by complaining without any real expectation of change?
21:05:28amiconnrasher: I've mentioned them...
21:06:37kugelLlorean: Don't blame me for wasting your time! If you feel your time is wasted ignore me. By answering me, you waste your time voluntarily
21:06:59Lloreankugel: I can't unread your statements on the matter. It's a simple question: Do you expect something to be done about it, or are you just complaining?
21:07:27LloreanI couldn't have known before I read them that they were a waste of time.
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21:07:37*domonoky thinks we need our own writte bugtracker, running on a gigabeast with IP over USB :-)
21:07:39kugelLlorean: I did not, with no word, expect you to improve the search. I just expressed my opinions about it
21:08:02Lloreankugel: Then don't. This is an on-topic channel. That means discussing things that are actually relevant. "I want to gripe about another software project" isn't relevant.
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21:08:35kugeltracker related stuff is not off-topic imo
21:08:41LloreanIt's not tracker-related.
21:08:50LloreanYou're griping about the flyspray project's choice of search method.
21:08:53rasheramiconn: sounds fine
21:10:00amiconnrasher: This could be done if we decide to dump the deprecated string (cause that requires bumping the .lng version anyway, making old .lng files invalid)
21:17:17*bluebrother thinks kugel never saw the search of the old flyspray installation
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21:23:18baldmonkeyhi, ive modded the files i want to and tested them working after compile but does anyone know the diff command to compare 2 dirs?
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21:23:56thenanomanThe manual says rockbox is compatible with mpeg1 and 2 but when i convert a video to that extension it only plays it like audio or doesnt recognize it, wht do I do?
21:24:19rasherbaldmonkey: diff -r dir1 dir2
21:24:37Lloreanthenanoman: What do you mean "convert a video to that extension"
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21:24:56thenanomanI mean download a youtube video and save it as video.mp1
21:25:08LloreanThat's not converting it.
21:25:16gevaertsBagder: ping
21:25:16LloreanIt's still a youtube video, just with a different filename.
21:25:24thenanomani have a program that converts with the file extension
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21:25:33thenanomanand it saves it as an mp1
21:25:59LambdaCalculus37This is how you properly convert a file:
21:26:20iambenmv my.avi my.mpg "wtf it still wont play"
21:26:26LambdaCalculus37Also, MP1 refers to this:
21:26:36amiconnrasher: Voice building on cygwin throws strange warnings when using the (outdated) perl 5.8.8 (pointed out by pixelma). perl 5.10.0 (current) works fine
21:26:40bluebrotheriamben: mv my.avi "wtf it still wont play" :)
21:27:29pixelmarasher, amiconn: I still need to confirm that an upgrade fixes my problems...
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21:27:33*Llorean wonders how hard it would be to have mpegplayer support other audio codecs.
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21:27:47*petur would like somebody with an e200 to confirm/fix 9286
21:27:58agaffneyswimmer_: pastebin the ebuild
21:28:00amiconnBut cygwin perl 5.8.8 claims to support perlio ...
21:28:48bertrikpetur, I have an e260 and can try
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21:30:07LambdaCalculus37Llorean: Perhaps Windows Media Video (WMV) would be easier to add, since there's already support for WMA and ASF?
21:30:33LloreanLambdaCalculus37: I was actually thinking of just adding in AC3 support to mpeg video.
21:31:18bertrikstill recording after 2 minutes...
21:33:36peturbertrik: you start recording asap after entering the screen?
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21:34:35amiconnLlorean: "just"?
21:34:53bertrikpetur, yes I'm trying so
21:35:04amiconnYou'll run into iram shortage for sure
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21:35:31amiconn(and ac3 is unusable on pp anyway, at least 48kHz)
21:36:13Lloreanamiconn: I didn't meant to suggest AC3 was simple, more that my interest was bounded to a specific codec.
21:36:17bluebrothersupport flv video :)
21:36:22LloreanAs in, I'm "just" interested in...
21:36:22LambdaCalculus37Haha. :)
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21:45:14bertrikpetur, it hangs now, but possibly because of a different reason: "the disk is full. Press UP to continue"
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21:45:35bertrikoh, it didn't hang after all, UP just didnt do anything
21:46:45peturhmmm 9220 is very similar, I wonder what JdGordon meant with that dodgey commit
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21:53:52*petur can't find a commit between 18117 and 18128 that could have broken recording for X5
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21:57:23*amiconn thinks there's a bug in cygwin perl 5.8.8 itself
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21:57:38*LambdaCalculus37 blames cygwin perl
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22:10:22pixelmapetur: fwiw, I did not have a problem with recording on my M5, running r18282. The dodgy commit the comment talks about is a missing bump of the codec API version (see;revision=18295), amiconn and JdGordon talked about this here, I believe it is in the logs of Saturday morning
22:10:23bertrikpetur, did more testing, can't reproduce it
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22:15:29star_jasminehmmm I hope this is relevant here. I am having a major slow down with cygwin. how does one go about reinstalling it to make it actually work? I'm trying to make voices for rockbox
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22:18:12bertrikstar_jasmine, cygwin just seems much slower than native linux, I don't think a cygwin reinstall can make things faster
22:20:03pixelmamaking voices doesn't take too long
22:20:13amiconnrasher: I think it would be best to set utf-8 as default for all IO in Then most places don't need to specify encoding explicitly anymore. Only sapi still needs to (since it wants utf-16le)
22:20:13star_jasmineit freezes when I create a voice though. it didn't used to
22:20:37star_jasmineI'm trying to use sapi4, which worked. I haven't tried sapi5 in a while
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22:21:12amiconnsapi4 is slooow. There's nothing we can do about it as long as we stick to scripting
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22:23:55star_jasminebut suppose my cygwin had a problem with it. I don't know what it would be, but the whole thing is slow. how do I make sure it is installed properly
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22:25:01star_jasmineits stuck on make c speex
22:26:10peturamiconn: what does valnogood mean in spdif?
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22:26:57amiconnIt means the source states that it's invalid. That's not necessarily true...
22:27:27peturI'm looking at 8362 btw
22:28:04peturwould it be ok to ignore it ?
22:28:20*amiconn won't check that now
22:29:24peturyou mentioned it 20060601 01:34:49
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22:32:29amiconnrasher: Looks like cygwin perl 5.8.8 doesn't like it if perlio gets to handle both utf-16 and crlf. I'll try going back to manual crlf handling
22:33:23amiconnYes, that fixes the problem :) So do we want to support perl 5.8, or do we require 5.10 (on cygwin)?
22:34:00star_jasmineis there anything special I have to put into cygwin to make a sapi 4 voice?
22:34:14amiconnstar_jasmine: patience....
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22:35:20amiconnCygwin is slow in some situations. Disabling the on-access virus scanner while running 'make' jobs helps quite a bit (only do that if you know what you're doing)
22:35:21rasheramiconn: if it's not much trouble, I suppose supporting 5.8 is nice
22:37:10amiconnUmm. Cygwin perl 5.8.8 seems to have more problems than that...
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22:37:55*amiconn is confused
22:39:10baldmonkeyif i do diff -r dir1 dir2 it seems to make a patch which only works for the original directorys, what if i want to change the directorys or make the patch redistributable?
22:39:24baldmonkey*directories :s
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22:40:05bluebrotherbaldmonkey: usually it's much easier if you create a patch against svn
22:41:56peturamiconn: do you think we could ignore valnogood (always or via a setting) or should I just close the report stating his source is not good?
22:45:08peturpreglow? any opinion?
22:46:58*petur closed the task
22:49:14baldmonkeywhat if i want to automate the build process but with different paths?
22:49:47InverseHi, I'
22:49:51Bagderbaldmonkey: different how?
22:50:45InverseHi, I would like to help port RockBox to the iAudio 7 - would anyone have any advice/tutorials/links for someone who has never programmed a device
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22:51:45amiconnpetur: If it is what I remember it to be, we should probably ignore it. But I won't check that now, as I'm busy with perl and io encodings, which are confusing enough...
22:51:55BagderInverse: read the forum thread, the wiki page and the NewPort wiki page. For all the parts you don't understand, google up docs/tutorials for them.
22:52:07*petur now can blame perl
22:52:47peturamiconn: I closed the task and stated that he could ask us to ignore this by posting a feature request
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22:53:13InverseCheers bagder
22:53:18baldmonkeyi originally had testingdir/rockbox-svn and testingdir/rockbox <−− is where i made my mods - then i did 'diff -r rockbox svn rockbox >somefile.patch' from in the testing dir. now i want that same patch to patch a different copy of the same svn which is located in a different location - i tried changing the paths and i still get 'cant find the file to patch at input line 2'
22:53:26*baldmonkey wonders if he is just being tired :s
22:53:59Bagderbaldmonkey: first, you should probably add -u to that diff command too
22:54:13Bagderthen, you can strip path parts from patches with diff -p
22:54:19Bagderas in diff -p1, diff -p2 etc
22:54:34BagderI meant with patch -p
22:55:25baldmonkeyi will return if i fail :s
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22:56:16bluebrotherwell, you can simply checkout svn and then svn diff > foo.diff
22:56:39Bagderyeah, working against svn is a big gain in the longer run anyway
22:56:44bluebrotherif you do that from the root of the source tree you can always apply that to another sources
22:56:53bluebrotherand you can more easily sync patches
22:58:05baldmonkeyahh, i see what you mean
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23:03:47peturdo we have a wiki page somewhere to collect known issues that will probably be present in 3.0?
23:04:22LloreanNobody's started one yet, afaik
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23:04:46bluebrotherwasn't there a 3.0 wiki page the last time we tried?
23:06:12Lloreanbluebrother: There's
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23:08:36bluebrotheryep −− that could hold all known issues until 3.0 is out and then move them to ReleaseNotes
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23:11:41peturipods will be supported for 3.0, right? So will we fully support recording on them?
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23:12:34*petur wonders if an ipod 4 or 5.5 owner can confirm 6989
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23:15:42peturhmmm my H10 also has a pp5020...
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23:21:35peturnobody with an ipod 4 or 5.5 here?
23:24:14beta2kI do
23:24:34beta2kWant it? :)
23:24:54peturcould you do a short recording from line-in and see if tere is noise in the right channel?
23:25:51beta2kNo :)
23:25:58beta2kSure you don't want it?
23:26:03amiconnStereo recording on ipod would require a dock cable
23:26:22beta2kLow low price of only nine dolla ninety nine cent!
23:26:29peturamiconn: no need for a source, just silence
23:26:39peturbeta2k: ?
23:26:40beta2k(It's dead)
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23:27:12beta2kSorry, had to lead you on.. :)
23:27:25peturbeta2k: sell it to LambdaCalculus37 and say it is untested
23:27:54peturwhat happened to it?
23:27:59beta2kThink he'll find the melted center buttona nd big burn mark on the broadcom chip?
23:28:07beta2kNo idea
23:28:29beta2kThe broadcom chip is almost split in half and there's a transistor that vaporized itself
23:29:10gevaertspetur: be careful. That's not necessarily on-topic here ;)
23:29:26beta2kSo, how's about the beer?
23:29:43beta2kAnyone tried any new brews lately?
23:30:02domonokybeers is always on-topic :-)
23:30:21beta2kI know :)
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23:30:50InverseGranville Island beer is good
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23:31:02beta2kAny Gigabeat experts around?
23:31:11beta2kNever tried that, EU only?
23:31:33Inversesorry i meant granville - it's from Vancouver, CA
23:31:37amiconnpetur: I didn't actually record, but the noise level (w/o actual source) looks identical in both channels
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23:32:15peturok, I'll close that one too... thanks
23:32:22amiconnpetur: Btw, the level adjustment in the new recording screen is switched on ipods (Left increases, Right decreases)
23:32:41amiconn(s/level/gain and volume/
23:33:32peturis that a buttonmap bug then?
23:33:51amiconnWell, recording is quirky anyway (because of the broken WM8758 and WM8975 drivers)
23:34:16peturrecording.c uses ACTION_SETTINGS_INC and ACTION_SETTINGS_DEC and the repeat variants
23:34:17amiconnIt's probably an action bug that needs hacking around
23:36:38pixelmaI can imagine that this was the case even before the rec screen rework, I remember trying it out in an Ipod sim once and the keymap was very... besic
23:36:42pixelma*basic too
23:37:11peturbtw, am I the only one to find this settings file quite silly?
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23:37:54amiconnrasher: Quite some ram savings...
23:38:06rasheramiconn: For what?
23:38:39rasherOh, haha. I guess removing some unused strings turned out to be a good thing
23:39:35rasherOr maybe the new translations were just shorter. Either way, good thing the build system handles this now, or we might never have noticed
23:40:25Bagderyeah, that works really nice now
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23:42:56rasherAre there other such "large enough + a bit" buffers that might be calculated at compile time instead?
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23:44:04Bagderprobably, but I can't think of any right now
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23:49:11pixelmapetur: these settings seem a bit silly too me too... 5 seconds time split and triggered recording
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23:49:40peturI think they cause his problem...
23:49:55petur(tracker item 9274)
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