00:00:14 | rasher | firmware/export/config-gigabeat.h:#define CPU_FREQ 16934400 |
00:00:20 | rasher | firmware/target/arm/s3c2440/gigabeat-fx/system-target.h:#define CPUFREQ_MAX 296352000 |
00:00:25 | rasher | firmware/target/arm/s3c2440/gigabeat-fx/system-target.h:#define CPUFREQ_DEFAULT 98784000 |
00:00:38 | rasher | What's the CPU_FREQ mean? |
00:04:45 | Llorean | The F had boosting briefly |
00:04:45 | n1s | LambdaCalculus37: we run it at 265 MHz ~532MHz/2 |
00:04:45 | Llorean | It just doesn't any more, since it turned out to actually shorten battery life for some reason. |
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00:04:45 | rasher | Llorean: But none of the values match CPU_FREQ |
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00:04:45 | Llorean | I dunno. |
00:04:45 | rasher | ah, so it doens't actulaly run at any of thoes speeds anymore? Only CPU_FREQ? |
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00:04:45 | Llorean | I think it's actually at CPU_FREQ_MAX now |
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00:04:45 | rasher | I see |
00:04:45 | rasher | That barely makes sense. |
00:04:45 | Llorean | Or rather, I think they decided the chip handles its own scaling if just left alone. |
00:04:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | So the value at #define CPUFREQ_DEFAULT 98784000 is not what is being used? |
00:04:45 | n1s | haha, this needs a cleanup and some commenting :) |
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00:04:45 | Llorean | Apparently |
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00:04:45 | Llorean | rasher: I think the only person likely to actually know might be markun |
00:04:45 | Davide-NYC | We need to define CPUFREQ_MAX in \rockbox\firmware\target\arm\imx31\gigabeat-s\system-target.h correct? |
00:04:48 | Llorean | Davide-NYC: Once/if scaling gets enabled, then yes. |
00:05:19 | Davide-NYC | But for now, to get test_codec to work (as a hack) this could work, no? |
00:05:47 | Davide-NYC | BTW: it compiled for GBF |
00:05:49 | Llorean | Well if it's just used locally, you could #define it in the actual plugin in an #ifdef check for if you're compiling the beast. |
00:05:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | Cool. :) |
00:06:58 | rasher | Llorean: Setting CPUFREQ_MAX to CPU_FREQ if CPUFREQ_MAX isn't defined should do The Right Thing, as far as I can tell |
00:07:33 | rasher | #ifndef CPUFREQ_MAX\n#define CPUFREQ_MAX CPU_FREQ\n#endif ? |
00:07:34 | Llorean | rasher: Are there any #ifdef CPUFREQ_MAX or #ifndef CPUFREQ_MAX anywhere? |
00:08:09 | Davide-NYC | I just tossed the #define in up towards the top of the GBS system-target.h file just as it is on the GBF system-target.h file and gave it a value of 532000000 |
00:08:33 | rasher | Maybe using HAVE_ADJUSTABLE_CPU_FREQ would work as well |
00:08:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | Davide-NYC: I have that value listed as CPUFREQ_NORMAL. |
00:09:19 | Davide-NYC | yeah, I want the thing to run as it would normally run (in the current development state) and see what kind of performance numbers I get. |
00:09:37 | rasher | Davide-NYC: don't meddle with system-target.h |
00:09:41 | rasher | Just fix test_codec instead |
00:09:47 | Davide-NYC | Doh! |
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00:10:16 | * | LambdaCalculus37 hands Davide-NYC an Undo button |
00:10:25 | Davide-NYC | Just for argument, the GBF version of system-target.h is setup this way so I thought I would just follow form |
00:10:42 | * | Davide-NYC ducks |
00:11:35 | Davide-NYC | and if I mess with test_codec.c won't that override any other (target dependant) CPUFREQ_MAX ? |
00:11:38 | rasher | Maybe like so: http://pastebin.ca/1181094 |
00:12:25 | rasher | Except that'll probably break on Gigabeat F, because it's in a state of having some defines indicate one thing, and some indicate another |
00:12:46 | Davide-NYC | Gigabeat F leaving the building so ICCL. |
00:13:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | rasher: I'll try your patch on the S. |
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00:13:27 | Davide-NYC | make is happy! |
00:14:33 | rasher | markun: What's the various CPU frequency defines set to for the GigabeatF? config-gigabeat.h and gigabeat-fx/system-target.h seem to be in conflict. |
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00:14:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | rasher: Got this: http://pastebin.com/d1fb27c0b |
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00:15:38 | rasher | LambdaCalculus37: are you sure you didn't break the patch or something? Pastebin is not the best way of moving patches around :\ |
00:16:01 | rasher | I need a special arm-elf-gcc for gigabeast don't I? |
00:16:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | rasher: I copied it to Emacs and saved it as a diff. |
00:16:34 | rasher | Well, it clearly got broken. I blame emacs. |
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00:16:49 | Llorean | rasher: I'm pretty sure you don't. Same one as we use for everything else. |
00:17:14 | * | Llorean would've just manually altered the file based on that diff, and never would've thought of actually trying to patch it. |
00:17:20 | LambdaCalculus37 | rasher: Can you make it a patch? |
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00:17:59 | rasher | LambdaCalculus37: can't you just apply it manually? Alternatively, try this: wget http://pastebin.ca/raw/1181094 -O - -q |patch -p0 |
00:18:14 | Davide-NYC | I'm codec testing on the beast as we speak (type?) |
00:18:16 | * | LambdaCalculus37 svn reverts test_codec and tries rasher's solution |
00:18:23 | phish | would it ever be possible ( if there was enough interest in it ) to have ethernet over firewire for the ipod 5g? |
00:18:35 | rasher | And yeah, you might want to check that that's the right url before blindly applying patches from a pastebin |
00:19:17 | LambdaCalculus37 | rasher: It is. |
00:19:56 | Llorean | phish: Do you mean "TCP/IP over USB"? |
00:20:12 | phish | Llorean: i think that's what i mean? :d |
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00:20:26 | * | LambdaCalculus37 builds for the beast |
00:20:37 | LambdaCalculus37 | Davide-NYC: How is your build coming along? |
00:20:46 | Davide-NYC | is done, am testing |
00:20:51 | Llorean | phish: It could be possible, but I don't see anyone ever being interested enough to spend the time on it without a practical use for it. |
00:20:55 | rasher | Davide-NYC: does the output look plausible? |
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00:21:31 | Davide-NYC | lame_320.mp3 725% realtime! |
00:21:33 | Llorean | It should be slightly slower to perhaps the same-ish speed as the GigabeatF I would expect. |
00:21:49 | Llorean | Unless the ARM optimizations actually are better suited to the different ARM version. |
00:21:53 | LambdaCalculus37 | Holy crap that's fast! :O |
00:22:31 | Davide-NYC | not really, 667% on GBF |
00:23:02 | Llorean | Remember, the Beast should be running at half its potential max speed, iiuc. |
00:23:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | Davide-NYC: Coming from the world of iPods, that's pretty damn fast to me. ;) |
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00:24:31 | Davide-NYC | well speed = CPUFREQ_MAX which in my case is 532000000. |
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00:25:13 | Davide-NYC | that's also what's defined as CPUFREQ_NORMAL, is this being halved somewhere? |
00:25:16 | Llorean | Davide-NYC: That doesn't actually set the speed you're running at... |
00:25:23 | Davide-NYC | Ah. |
00:25:37 | Davide-NYC | Where do I find that? |
00:25:48 | Llorean | Don't know |
00:25:51 | n1s | Davide-NYC: the CPU_FREQ define is correct, 264MHz (I was wrong before) |
00:25:59 | Llorean | But as far as I know n1s was correct in that we're running at half the max speed. |
00:26:07 | n1s | and yes, these defines are a mess :) |
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00:26:23 | LambdaCalculus37 | The defines need a scrubbing. |
00:27:07 | * | Davide-NYC decides to replace all defines with random selections from GoldenQuotes |
00:27:23 | n1s | I think 'someone' should look into dropping CPU_FREQ and using the others with more descriptive names |
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00:27:53 | * | Davide-NYC suspects he means "someun" |
00:28:04 | * | Davide-NYC or markone |
00:28:23 | * | LambdaCalculus37 thinks we should call the defines "CPU_SPEEDINESS" :P |
00:30:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | Davide-NYC: Success here. |
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00:30:20 | rasher | Davide-NYC: so you didn't remove the changes to system-target.h after all? You shouldn't have CPUFREQ_MAX set at all. |
00:30:22 | Phineas | hello |
00:30:59 | Davide-NYC | nah, I just left it in there. I'm hoping I get a stern talking to. |
00:31:02 | Phineas | can someone help me install rockbox on my 8gb 2g ipod nano? |
00:31:15 | LambdaCalculus37 | Can't do. Rockbox doesn't work on the 2ng gen nano. |
00:31:25 | LambdaCalculus37 | s/2ng/2nd |
00:31:46 | rasher | Davide-NYC: then your results are likely bunk |
00:32:29 | Davide-NYC | rasher: I was hoping you'd say that and then follow up with a detailed explanation as to why |
00:32:33 | Davide-NYC | :-) |
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00:33:45 | n1s | rasher, Davide-NYC: the CPUFREQ_MAX define is only used for the "%d.%02dMHz needed for realtime" calculation in test_codec |
00:33:48 | rasher | Davide-NYC: if you set frequencies to something the S isn't running at, how do you expect the calculations to be right? |
00:33:53 | rasher | "Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?" |
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00:34:22 | rasher | n1s: I know, but that's exactly what Davide-NYC was quoting |
00:34:52 | rasher | Err, maybe not. |
00:35:14 | rasher | I clearly shouldn't be allowed near computer |
00:35:17 | Davide-NYC | bottom line: what should "speed" be for the GBS? |
00:35:32 | rasher | Davide-NYC: Just apply my patch, and all should be fine |
00:35:43 | rasher | and revert any previous attempts at fixing it |
00:35:47 | LambdaCalculus37 | The moment of truth... |
00:35:52 | * | LambdaCalculus37 gets out his Gigabeat S |
00:36:02 | Davide-NYC | (the variable that is being assigned a value on line 624 of test_codec.c? |
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00:38:48 | Davide-NYC | LambdaCalculus37: could you pastebin your results when it's done please? |
00:41:31 | rasher | Davide-NYC: you mean line 625 or 627? |
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00:43:22 | Davide-NYC | rasher according to my editor it's 624 |
00:43:47 | Davide-NYC | speed = CPUFREQ_MAX / speed; |
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00:43:56 | rasher | Davide-NYC: Then you haven't applied my patch as I told you. |
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00:44:08 | Davide-NYC | not yet |
00:44:19 | Davide-NYC | hoping for understanding |
00:45:36 | rasher | The patch is basically self-explanatory (hint: HAVE_ADJUSTABLE_CPU_FREQ |
00:45:43 | rasher | isn't set for gigabeat-s |
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00:57:47 | Davide-NYC | I need to report some VERY strange behavior with my Gigabeat S. |
00:58:19 | Davide-NYC | I was unzipping a build to the correct partition. Once done I unmounted (from windows) correctly and disconnected the cable. |
00:58:54 | Davide-NYC | I recieved a message saying (paraphrased from memory) removing media, please wait. Once finished my data partion was completely empty. |
00:59:16 | gevaerts | ah, yes. The beast's self-destruct feature |
00:59:27 | Davide-NYC | are you kidding me? |
00:59:28 | Davide-NYC | LOL |
00:59:31 | toffe82 | yes, the very know feature |
00:59:34 | * | gevaerts only had that once |
00:59:39 | toffe82 | known |
00:59:48 | Davide-NYC | Now I get "file not found" |
01:00 |
01:00:13 | n1s | since it's gone :) |
01:00:19 | Davide-NYC | No indication of which file |
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01:00:26 | * | Davide-NYC great |
01:00:32 | n1s | well, all of them :) |
01:00:43 | * | gevaerts thinks that this "feature" is a good reason to not use his S30 as his main player yet |
01:00:46 | Davide-NYC | but I've restore the .rockbox folder |
01:01:52 | n1s | Davide-NYC: is it the rockbox bootloader that says "file not found" ? |
01:02:12 | gevaerts | I think I needed to boot the OF once before the bootloader found rockbox |
01:02:12 | * | Davide-NYC urghh |
01:02:21 | Davide-NYC | yes |
01:02:56 | gevaerts | If you have the dual-boot bootloader, try booting the OF and then reset and try again |
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01:02:56 | n1s | gevaerts: odd |
01:03:06 | Davide-NYC | gevaerts: I did that, same condition |
01:03:51 | Davide-NYC | can anyone give me a list of files to expect to have in the TFAT partition (the 100MB one)? |
01:04:42 | BigBambi | I have removed akll except nk.bin and it works fine |
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01:06:22 | Davide-NYC | RB BL says "init complete" and then "file not found" |
01:06:29 | Davide-NYC | what file is it looking for? |
01:06:42 | n1s | rockbox.gigabeat i am sure |
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01:06:45 | BigBambi | rockbox.gigabeat |
01:07:15 | BigBambi | It sometimes (after a bl install) can't find it |
01:07:37 | Davide-NYC | That's what I thought and I put a copy of it in the root. |
01:07:38 | BigBambi | I had it once, and fixed it by sending the original nk.bin, booting the OF, then resending the patched dual boot one |
01:07:53 | Davide-NYC | Oh for the love of mike! |
01:08:13 | BigBambi | It isn't supported or released yet... |
01:08:15 | gevaerts | he's not here right now |
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01:08:24 | Davide-NYC | BigBambi: I know I know |
01:08:56 | * | Davide-NYC time is my nemesis in these types of situations |
01:09:22 | n1s | Davide-NYC: it should be inside .rockbox not in the root |
01:09:45 | Davide-NYC | n1s: I know, I thought that it might help, but it didn;t |
01:11:56 | Llorean | linuxstb: Since this is actually on-topic, do you think there's any harm in trying to set real "goals" (or at least "hopes") for version numbers? |
01:11:59 | Llorean | Like, "3.1 - Focus on having fairly solid recording" etc? |
01:12:05 | scorche|sh | Llorean: a "roadmap"? |
01:12:06 | Llorean | Yeah |
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01:12:27 | gevaerts | That somehow depends on managing to get people to focus on specific features though |
01:12:34 | Llorean | If we're going to be doing quarterly releases, while we might not be able to set specific goals, we can at least say "We'd like it if people focused their attention on this aspect of the program" |
01:12:49 | Llorean | gevaerts: Yeah, but it's not set in stone. |
01:13:05 | scorche|sh | Llorean: well, there is always the "we dont provide timelines/roadmaps/etc" bit that that conflicts with |
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01:13:22 | Llorean | Just like saying "For 3.1 we'd like people to be focused on recording and the recording screen" and then if people don't want to be, fine, we're just saying it and hoping one or two extra people pitch in in that area. |
01:13:45 | Llorean | scorche|sh: That can be changed, and I'm not suggesting a real "roadmap" so much as just asking for focus. |
01:14:21 | Llorean | Like "3.2 - Since music and recording should be pretty solid by now, we'd like to focus on UI improvements, both in terms of improving/fixing theming and resolving use difficulties" |
01:14:47 | Llorean | These things don't *have* to happen, but at least it gives a little direction if someone's trying to pick what they'd like to work on next and sees a few options open to them. |
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01:52:40 | Davide-NYC | OK, I dragged and dropped the original nk.bin file. Unmounted and rebooted the palyer. Back to original firmware, MTP only and all. |
01:53:00 | Davide-NYC | Then I sendfirmed (since I was back to MTP only) the patched nk.bin file successfully. |
01:53:13 | Davide-NYC | Now I'm back where I started with the file not found error. |
01:53:15 | Davide-NYC | Hmm |
01:55:30 | Unhelpful | Davide-NYC: i get that after a format, and seem to need a sync w/ WMP before it'll go away. but certainly there must be a better way. |
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01:56:27 | linuxstb | I had that problem as well - I just kept going through the OF's recovery process, re-installing nk.bin with sendfirm, and it eventually worked. |
01:56:48 | * | linuxstb wonders exactly what the differences are between TFAT and FAT |
01:56:57 | Davide-NYC | Oh dear. I'm gonna leave it alone then. T for trivial? |
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01:59:11 | linuxstb | T for "Transaction-Safe" (MS's capitalization...) |
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02:07:14 | Davide-NYC | Back in business! |
02:08:05 | LambdaCalculus37 | Awesome! :) |
02:08:23 | Davide-NYC | But that's a show stopper if I ever saw one. |
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02:15:45 | Unhelpful | linuxstb: that looks suspiciously like how tux2 did transaction safety w/o journalling... and i recall the tux2 texts at the time specifically mentioning that a FAT system w/ multiple FATs could use the same method. |
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03:19:26 | dataangel | I made a folder in rockbox/plugins for my plugin, added the folder to rockbox/plugins/SUBDIRS and added the sources to rockbox/plugin/myplugin/SOURCES but my plugin still won't build. It complains there's no makefile but I thought that was generated from SOURCES... |
03:19:35 | dataangel | what else do I need to do? |
03:19:41 | solexious_ | Any one know why when installing though the gui it errors on downloading theames? |
03:20:12 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
03:21:00 | saratoga | dataangel: if your plugin has more then 1 file, you're going to need to give it a makefile, otherwise theres no way to know what to compile |
03:21:17 | Llorean | solexious_: The theme server is outdated. It was a third party server. You'll just have to do with manual theme installs for the time being |
03:21:25 | solexious_ | I get, The following error occured: No themes found. |
03:21:37 | solexious_ | Llorean: than you |
03:21:52 | solexious_ | thank* |
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03:23:25 | dataangel | saratoga: I thought the point of the SOURCES file was to specify the sources so that a Makefile would be generated. Otherwise, what's it for? |
03:25:01 | saratoga | dataangel: SOURCES is a list of source files thats parsed by a makefile |
03:25:14 | saratoga | take a look at any of the other folders in plugins |
03:25:42 | dataangel | I'm looking at the one for pacbox and it looks complex @_@ |
03:26:07 | Unhelpful | dataangel: SOURCES only works for one source->one plugin. it has no way to know to link files together to make a plugin. multiple sources means a subdir and your own makefile. |
03:26:58 | dataangel | Unhelpful: The other 'sources' are actually just .c files containing single arrays (raw pcm output) that are #include'd by my one real source file |
03:27:11 | dataangel | do I still need one? |
03:27:42 | dataangel | when I put everything in the plugins folder I only added one line to plugins/SOURCES, myplugin.c |
03:28:07 | saratoga | if they're just headers, you should probably use .h as the file extension |
03:28:30 | saratoga | and if theres only 1 actual c file, then no you don't need a makefile |
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03:28:49 | saratoga | just put a reference to it in the SOURCES file in apps/plugins/ |
03:29:02 | dataangel | ah k it must detect the .c names |
03:29:32 | saratoga | it doesn't care what the file extension is, its just parsing for a list of files to compile (though gcc might care) |
03:30:45 | Unhelpful | if it can be compiled by feeding one file to gcc, and the others are justi includes, yes, you should just put the "main" file in SOURCES |
03:31:39 | dataangel | Should I put myplugin/myplugin.c in plugins/SOURCES, or just add it to myplugin/SOURCES? |
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03:32:15 | saratoga | anyone around whos familar with buffering? |
03:40:31 | dataangel | hrm, putting myplugin/myplugin.c into plugins/SOURCES results in errors that there's no make target for my header files @_@ |
03:40:51 | dataangel | why the heck is it trying to build a header? |
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03:44:39 | midgey | plugins/SOURCES is used to compile a .c into a .rock. All the c files must be in /plugins. If your plugin uses multiple c files, you must create a subdirectory in /plugins and add that directory to /plugins/SUBDIRS and then you must create a Makefile with rules to compile those files into a rock. One option is two use a SOURCES file and parse it or you can link and build each file explicitly in the Makefile |
03:50:17 | saratoga | dataangel: that usually means the files you're including aren't in the include path (which is defined by the makefile parsing the SOURCES file you used) |
03:50:44 | saratoga | you probably need to fix your "#include ..." lines |
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03:53:17 | pingosimon | Anyone have experience playing NSF SPC or SID files on an Archos Recorder 20GB? |
03:55:31 | Llorean | pingosimon: Rockbox doesn't support formats other than MP3 (and WAV using a plugin) on that player |
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03:56:39 | pingosimon | ah ok, thanks |
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04:02:00 | dataangel | saratoga: yer right :) |
04:02:23 | dataangel | saratoga: But I made the #include's relative to dualnback.c's location, but I guess it wants it relative to SOURCES |
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04:03:57 | saratoga | dataangel: the first line of most of the makefiles is "INCLUDES = ..." that should tell you where you can make your paths relative to |
04:04:23 | dataangel | hrm, it still wants to build the header |
04:04:31 | saratoga | but it looks like they all include the directory the makefile is in, so plugins will probably work |
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04:05:05 | saratoga | if you include a header, it will try to build it, so thats normal |
04:05:31 | dataangel | doesn't the preprocessor handle 'building' the header when it builds the .c file? |
04:06:02 | saratoga | the preprocessor combines the header with the source file, and then the compiler tries to build both |
04:06:14 | saratoga | if either is missing, you will get an error, which is what you described above |
04:07:32 | dataangel | right, but the makefile shouldn't care about the header, pointing the compiler at the source file will do the job (the preprocessor will #include the header contents and then build) |
04:08:28 | saratoga | yes, and if you haven't put the header when you the include points to, then you will get that error |
04:09:06 | dataangel | ? |
04:09:07 | saratoga | the makefile doesn't care exactly, but gcc certainly does, and when it errors out the makefile begins to care |
04:09:24 | dataangel | I fixed the #include's though and the error persists |
04:09:36 | saratoga | describe your fix |
04:09:42 | dataangel | whether I #include "myheader.h" or #include "myplugin/myheader.h", I get the same error |
04:09:54 | saratoga | where is the header located? |
04:10:07 | dataangel | the headers are all in apps/plugins/myplugin |
04:10:16 | dataangel | so is myplugin.c |
04:10:28 | dataangel | and I put "myplugin/myplugin.c" into apps/plugins/SOURCES |
04:12:55 | saratoga | I think its #include "plugins/myplugin/myheader.h" |
04:13:10 | dataangel | oh |
04:13:11 | saratoga | since the makefile references apps not apps/plugins |
04:13:27 | saratoga | unless i'm misreading it |
04:14:15 | dataangel | no dice, same error |
04:14:17 | beta2k_ | Any Gigabeat guru's around? |
04:14:22 | saratoga | no idea then |
04:14:29 | dataangel | guess I need to write a makefile |
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04:15:04 | dataangel | saratoga: thanks for the help :) |
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04:16:05 | saratoga | actually the wavpack decoder plugin does "lib/filetoinclude.h", so maybe your first way would work too |
04:16:41 | saratoga | anyway theres a few other plugins with complicated include lines, so maybe you can grep for one like what you need to do |
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04:57:07 | webguest81 | i cant play .mpg files on my rockboxed sansa e270. Anybody help? |
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04:57:43 | scorche|sh | how did you encode them? |
04:58:17 | webguest81 | I didnt. My camera produces mpeg1 videos. |
04:58:48 | saratoga | well thats probably the problem |
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04:59:15 | webguest81 | when i try to play them it just says data abort<000> and freezes up |
04:59:21 | saratoga | read the PluginMpegplayer wiki page |
04:59:25 | webguest81 | is it normal to freeze up like that |
04:59:44 | webguest81 | i though rockbox plays mpeg 1 and 2 files? |
04:59:49 | saratoga | if you give it unexpected input, probably |
04:59:56 | saratoga | well it plays a subset of mpeg 1 and 2 files |
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05:00:22 | webguest81 | so if its produced on different layers it might not work? |
05:01:00 | Llorean | Well, cameras often produce them with AC3 audio |
05:01:16 | Llorean | Rockbox expects mp3, mp2, or mp1 audio. |
05:01:37 | Llorean | It's also *very* unlikely your camera creates video at the same screen size as your sansa |
05:01:46 | webguest81 | does rockbox have a actual option to access the video player or do you just click on the video file? |
05:02:46 | webguest81 | i know it plays if you select the file but does rockbox have an separate icon to access the video player? |
05:02:52 | Llorean | No. |
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05:04:21 | webguest81 | i was looking in the codec files that came with the rockbox download and i didnt see an mpeg codec. But it could just be under a different name. I dont know much about these things. lol! |
05:04:34 | Llorean | It's not a codec. |
05:04:53 | Llorean | As saratoga said, read the PluginMpegplayer page for instructions on properly preparing your videos. |
05:05:04 | Llorean | It's a portable device and doesn't have the power to just accept any video you throw at it. |
05:05:12 | webguest81 | sweet, that helps thanx. |
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05:12:30 | Peter200lx | What are the voice files suppost to contain? |
05:12:42 | Peter200lx | I've download the file for my device from http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml |
05:12:53 | Peter200lx | but the zip file doesn't seem to work |
05:13:32 | Peter200lx | I looked at what was contained, and it had stuff like images for some the the default WPS, and other seemingly unessesary files |
05:14:08 | Peter200lx | *I'm trying this with a Sansa e280 with a broken screen |
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05:14:49 | Peter200lx | I'm using the latest default build |
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05:20:53 | saratoga | thats the page for daily builds, not voice files |
05:21:19 | saratoga | I don't know how voice files work though |
05:21:23 | Peter200lx | If I go to http://build.rockbox.org/ |
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05:21:44 | Peter200lx | and click the link Daily builds and Voices |
05:21:58 | Peter200lx | it takes me to |
05:21:59 | Peter200lx | http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml |
05:22:07 | Peter200lx | is there a different URL for voices? |
05:22:42 | Peter200lx | also the link from http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxExtras for voices points to the same page |
05:24:40 | Peter200lx | hmm, after doing some searching, I found this page on the Wiki |
05:24:40 | Peter200lx | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VoiceFiles |
05:24:54 | Peter200lx | is the top table for current voice files? |
05:26:35 | Peter200lx | This page also points to the daily.shtml file |
05:26:36 | Peter200lx | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VoiceBuilding |
05:27:03 | cool_walking_ | VoiceHowto says you can create your own voice files with Rockbox Utility. |
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05:27:38 | Peter200lx | isn't that for each file though, not for the menu system? |
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05:27:52 | cool_walking_ | I don't know, never used voice. |
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05:31:19 | cool_walking_ | It seems to have functions for both |
05:31:29 | cool_walking_ | Rockbox Utility, that is. |
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05:32:02 | Peter200lx | ahh, good point |
05:32:07 | Peter200lx | I'll test that |
05:32:09 | cool_walking_ | It seems "Voice files" are for the menu, and "Talk files" are for files. |
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05:40:06 | Peter200lx | very good, that seems to build great, now I just need to find a good TTS engine to use |
05:40:40 | Peter200lx | also, it would be good to figgure out what is up with the website, and what it should point to |
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06:13:10 | num1 | I would like to thank the rockbox community. I recently bought a bricked Sansa and with the help of your wiki I was able to fairly easily unbrick it. Thank you for providing all information you find and posting it for the public to see |
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06:36:06 | cool_walking_ | Judging by the silence, The Rockbox Community seems to be away, so I'll happily accept the award and cash prize in their stead. |
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07:34:37 | amiconn | Llorean: 4GB is the limit for the currently supported MMC protocol versions (up to MMC4.1). These work both in Rockbox and via USB. The OF only supports up to 1GB. |
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07:37:15 | amiconn | Supporting >4GB MMCs in Rockbox would be possible (MMC4.2 protocol, similar to SDHC). Such cards were announced by 2 manufacturers (Samsung and Microdia) more than 2 years ago, but are still unavailable today... |
07:39:41 | amiconn | And important details is that it won't be possible to access these cards via USB in the Ondio, as the USB-MMC bridge doesn't talk MMC4.2. This is similar to rockbox (optionally) supporting LBA48 (HDD >128GB) but the Archos USB-ATA bridge doesn't, but it's much less of a problem |
07:40:46 | amiconn | You don't want to fill such a large MMC using the Ondio as a card reader anyway. The Ondio USB-MMC bridge is sloow |
07:42:21 | amiconn | http://www.microdia.com/ebiz/jsp/site/product_details.jsp?ccode=000003100011100&pcode=216 I should probably ask them... |
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08:21:25 | micr0c0sm | hmm, $205 to upgrade my ipod video from 60gb -> 160gb |
08:23:04 | micr0c0sm | are there any other portable players that support 160gb drives and have a rockbox port? |
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08:29:04 | JdGordon | arnt the 160gb drives a different connector? |
08:29:16 | JdGordon | I thought the 80s were the largest you could use |
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08:29:42 | amiconn | The ones used in the iPod classic are. But maybe there's now another 160GB drive with zif or such |
08:29:53 | amiconn | 120GB are definitely available as zif |
08:30:07 | LinusN | there are 100GB zif drives, at least |
08:30:17 | scorche|sh | there are 160GB zif drives iirc...just not widely available |
08:32:11 | micr0c0sm | HS161JB |
08:32:27 | micr0c0sm | but the only seller is memory4less.com ... and they have bad resellerratings :( |
08:33:05 | amiconn | And if one needs even more than 160GB, but doesn't need extensive format support, an old archos with a 250GB drive would also be an option... |
08:33:57 | scorche|sh | the HS161JB is even in our wiki... |
08:35:09 | scorche|sh | http://www.samsung.com/global/business/hdd/productmodel.do?group=72&type=60&subtype=68&model_cd=344&tab=fea |
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08:48:37 | micr0c0sm | wow I can't find any place that has it... |
08:52:48 | cool_walking_ | Let me know if you do. |
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09:07:19 | pixelma | reading logs, there used to be "voice" links on http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml . Is it simply missing after the server crash or what did happen to it? |
09:08:38 | B4gder | I'll look into it |
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09:19:43 | livindaylight | can someone help me understand how to install rockbox on iAudio X5? |
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09:20:16 | livindaylight | I've downloaded and dropped .rockbox into iAudio |
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09:20:40 | B4gder | read the manual? |
09:20:42 | pixelma | what instructions do you follow? |
09:20:43 | scorche|sh | livindaylight: the manual has a nice bit on how to install |
09:21:09 | livindaylight | and 2. i need to download and drop RockboxUtility , the bootloader, into iAudio too? |
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09:22:11 | pixelma | the automated installation chapter in the manual isn't that nice about bootloader installtion on an X5 |
09:22:12 | livindaylight | i've downloaded the manual and looked but its not clear enough |
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09:22:33 | livindaylight | pixelma: thank you, coz i don't think its clear enough for someone that doesn't know |
09:22:50 | scorche|sh | livindaylight: so which part are you having issues with? |
09:23:01 | livindaylight | i also looked on youtube for installation how-to's and there are none for iAudio only iPlayer and Sansa |
09:23:04 | pixelma | livindaylight: read the "manual installation", especially about the bootloader and what you have to care about afterwards |
09:23:40 | livindaylight | i presume i've done the first part correctly in dropping .rockbox into the Root of iAudio |
09:23:56 | livindaylight | do i simply do the same with bootloader? |
09:24:27 | pixelma | you probably don't have to put the mentioned .bin file again as that should have been done by the RockboxUtility if you chose bootloader or full installation |
09:24:28 | livindaylight | i downloaded the bootloader to Desktop and untarred it; do i now drop it into iAudio? |
09:24:55 | livindaylight | do i just need one or the other? |
09:25:02 | livindaylight | or both? |
09:27:27 | livindaylight | ? |
09:27:38 | pixelma | which "both" do you mean? |
09:28:27 | pixelma | and please read "installing the bootloader" carefully and don't rush it :) |
09:28:29 | livindaylight | there is .rockbox which i get from rockbox.org/currentbuild |
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09:28:59 | livindaylight | i'm sorry but the manual for iAudio is supposed to be a clear walk through installation guide for noobs? |
09:29:28 | livindaylight | there is basically 1 page (pg.11) on the pdf manual i downloaded and its not clear to me otherwise i wouldn't ask |
09:29:39 | pixelma | yes, you need the .rockbox (referred to as "firmware" in the manual) and the bootloader file |
09:29:54 | livindaylight | right, so i need both |
09:30:32 | livindaylight | so, ive got the firmware (.rockbox) and now need Rockbox Utility (bootloader) |
09:30:57 | livindaylight | so, i'm not clear what i do with the bootloader having downloaded it to Desktop and untarred it |
09:30:58 | pixelma | as I said, the installation in the X5's manual aren't that clear on it, we're awaere |
09:31:03 | pixelma | *aware |
09:31:17 | livindaylight | fine, so, please don't keep referring me to it :) |
09:31:52 | pixelma | the RockboxUtility is not the bootloader but an utility which could help you installing it |
09:32:05 | livindaylight | would be nice if somone did a howto on youtube for iAudio... there are lots for iPlayer of course |
09:33:07 | livindaylight | rbutilqt-v1.0.6 |
09:33:22 | pixelma | well, there are two parts about the installation in the manual - the one that deals with "manual" installation has info which I think is important and could help you understand what you need to do. It's just not well ordered |
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09:33:25 | livindaylight | what do i do with this? |
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09:34:08 | livindaylight | do i drop rbutilqt-v1.0.6 into iAudio? |
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09:34:45 | livindaylight | and then it will automatically detect and install rockbox when i unmount iAudio and switch it on? |
09:35:54 | B4gder | rbutil is a PC utility |
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09:38:28 | livindaylight | i click on rockbox.org. −−>Manual |
09:39:02 | livindaylight | to to iAudio X5 −−> click on Online and −−>automatic installation |
09:39:14 | livindaylight | download bootloader and untarr |
09:40:10 | livindaylight | then i drop rbutilqt-v1.0.6 into Firmware? |
09:40:34 | livindaylight | common guys... if it is so simple why can't someone tell me? |
09:40:50 | B4gder | rbutil is a PC utility |
09:40:56 | B4gder | you run it |
09:41:03 | B4gder | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility |
09:41:07 | livindaylight | scorch|sh and pixelma have given up on me? :( |
09:41:30 | B4gder | installing on X5 is just unzipping rockbox and putting the bootloader in the correct dir and then reboot the player |
09:41:33 | pixelma | rbutilqt is not the bootloader, as B4gder said it's a PC utility that can help you install it though |
09:41:49 | B4gder | (with power cable attached) |
09:42:44 | livindaylight | B4gder: i've been to that page RockboxUtility and downlaoded as i said to Desktop and untared it... then i have a folder on my Desktop called rbutilqt-v1.0.6 |
09:43:15 | livindaylight | i don't put ALL of it in Firmware folder? |
09:43:22 | * | B4gder sighs |
09:43:36 | livindaylight | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-iaudiox5/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-60002 |
09:43:45 | B4gder | rbutil is the installation tool |
09:43:45 | livindaylight | sorry |
09:43:48 | B4gder | it's _not_ rockbox |
09:43:54 | B4gder | it _installs_ rockbox for you |
09:44:05 | livindaylight | yes, i understand that |
09:44:23 | livindaylight | i've got the firmware .rockbox already |
09:44:44 | livindaylight | my question was what i do with rbtutilqt-v1.0.6 |
09:44:51 | B4gder | run the executable |
09:44:58 | livindaylight | it seems i drop it in the Firmware folder |
09:45:04 | B4gder | no |
09:45:11 | B4gder | why would you do that? |
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09:45:24 | livindaylight | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-iaudiox5/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-60002 it says to do that here |
09:45:26 | B4gder | it's the PC installer tool, why put that there? |
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09:45:53 | livindaylight | Copy it to the FIRMWARE directory on your player. |
09:46:00 | livindaylight | ?? |
09:46:29 | B4gder | it doesn't say that at all |
09:46:32 | pixelma | but not the utility... don't mix up the 2 installation methods and read slowly... ;) |
09:46:45 | livindaylight | i've just copy and pasted what it says |
09:46:58 | B4gder | no, you mixed up two separate sections |
09:47:25 | B4gder | rbutil is for the automated install approach |
09:47:34 | B4gder | the copying to firmware is in the manual install |
09:48:03 | livindaylight | but that is what i want - the automated install approach |
09:48:11 | B4gder | then run rbutil |
09:48:14 | livindaylight | right |
09:48:15 | pixelma | oh hah, seems the report in the forums was right - when starting RBUtil it complains about "Host www.rockbox.org not found" |
09:48:21 | livindaylight | HOW? :) |
09:48:45 | B4gder | livindaylight: it's an executable. double-click it or similar? |
09:48:51 | scorche|sh | livindaylight: double click on the .exe? |
09:48:58 | livindaylight | i'm in Linux |
09:49:04 | pixelma | it probably won't work currently |
09:49:12 | scorche|sh | then download the linux executable |
09:49:24 | pixelma | at least it wouldn't for me :\ |
09:49:25 | B4gder | pixelma: but the site works fine for you? |
09:49:33 | pixelma | yes |
09:49:33 | livindaylight | i run the executable from inside Linux? |
09:49:50 | B4gder | the its not any effects from my DNS fiddlings at least |
09:50:10 | B4gder | livindaylight: yes |
09:50:15 | livindaylight | ok, i've started the executable :) |
09:50:34 | livindaylight | before i continue... do i have to have dropped .rockbox (firmware) into my iAudio ? |
09:50:41 | B4gder | no |
09:50:41 | livindaylight | and if so, WHERE? |
09:50:46 | livindaylight | no?! |
09:50:49 | B4gder | rbutil |
09:50:58 | livindaylight | ok, i need to take it out of iAudio then |
09:51:06 | livindaylight | rbutil does everything? |
09:51:33 | B4gder | read the wiki page |
09:51:36 | B4gder | or the manual |
09:51:43 | B4gder | it describes rbutil clearly |
09:53:16 | livindaylight | I keep getting Configuration Error when i click 'OK' having selected my player |
09:54:06 | livindaylight | i'm ok now |
09:55:21 | livindaylight | had to point the path to /mnt/iAudio (or whatever) |
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09:56:36 | livindaylight | For the Theme installation part... do you select ALL or ? |
09:56:50 | livindaylight | does it take much space if i select ALL themes? |
09:57:04 | livindaylight | is there one theme which is the best? |
09:57:11 | livindaylight | (read popular) |
09:57:12 | * | B4gder uses the default |
09:57:35 | scorche|sh | livindaylight: there isnt a need to instal any of those and the "best" is a subjective matter |
09:57:37 | cool_walking_ | I think downloading themes from RbUtil is broken |
09:57:50 | cool_walking_ | Doesn't it use rockbox-themes.org? |
09:58:16 | scorche|sh | yes |
09:58:18 | pixelma | you can skip that for now, most of those you could additionally download from there are probably broken anyways. But Rockbox already comes with a selection preinstalled |
09:58:50 | B4gder | and its very easy to add themes later on anyway |
09:58:55 | livindaylight | Autobot Glass is default? |
09:59:01 | cool_walking_ | But no, it doesn't take much space. Themes are kilobytes in size. |
09:59:03 | scorche|sh | ....no? |
09:59:20 | livindaylight | its the first one on the list... it doesn't suggest any 'default' theme |
09:59:21 | scorche|sh | cool_walking_: images, however, can be a bit of space.. |
09:59:33 | scorche|sh | livindaylight: dont worry about it and just skip it |
09:59:58 | livindaylight | there is no 'skip' button... hit Cancel? |
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10:00:11 | livindaylight | wouldn't Cancel cancel installation? |
10:00:48 | livindaylight | i'm just going to select Zenpod |
10:01:41 | livindaylight | i think i'm done? unmount and start iAudio? |
10:03:37 | livindaylight | oops, i still have the old iAudio firmware? |
10:04:42 | livindaylight | Rockbox didn't install |
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10:06:31 | pixelma | livindaylight: the RBUtil says what you have to do afterwards but I'm not sure if it works correctly currently |
10:06:55 | livindaylight | pixelma: where? |
10:07:29 | livindaylight | i've tried to reinstall but it confirms that it is already installed... yet, when i start iAudo up i get the old iAuido firmware |
10:09:34 | pixelma | you need to start the X5 in a special way for the first (bootloader) installation, the "howto" was in the bootloader installation successfull" dialog for me |
10:10:05 | livindaylight | hrmm... missed that |
10:10:32 | livindaylight | maybe reinstall and see if i notice any how to on first time startup in rockbox |
10:10:39 | pixelma | B4gder already told that earlier and it is in the end of the manual installation, installing the bootloader in the Manual |
10:11:54 | * | GodEater notices this post from a brave soul in the forums : http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=18296.0# |
10:12:38 | pixelma | nice, RBUtil puts the m5_fw.bin into C: for me though... |
10:12:47 | livindaylight | Turn the player off, remove the USB cable and insert the charger. The Rockbox bootloader will automatically be flashed.?? |
10:13:49 | pixelma | yes, but before you do that - could you check whether you have a FIRMWARE folder with a .bin file in it in the root of your X5 |
10:14:12 | livindaylight | LOL, i have Rockbox |
10:14:30 | pixelma | ok then |
10:14:48 | livindaylight | THANKS GUYS |
10:15:33 | livindaylight | i unmounted and started up but had to put it back in its cradle for firmware to be updated (for whatever reason) |
10:15:51 | B4gder | the instruction said you needed to |
10:16:16 | pixelma | btw. this is the same method the original firmware uses if you wanted to upgrade that |
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10:17:40 | livindaylight | should all the previous music on the player still be available? |
10:18:04 | livindaylight | i can see the music folders but when i hit 'play' it says 'nothing to resume' ? |
10:18:29 | linuxstb | What is there to resume? It's the first time you've used Rockbox. |
10:18:33 | GodEater | I think now would be a good idea to read the rest of the manual |
10:18:38 | linuxstb | Go into "Files" or "Database" |
10:19:11 | livindaylight | i went into Files > Music>Album |
10:19:25 | livindaylight | <album_name> (rather) |
10:19:36 | linuxstb | Then press the "select" button on a track |
10:19:42 | livindaylight | but ok, maybe i read the manual from here before asking further questions |
10:19:44 | linuxstb | But as GodEater said, we have a fine manual |
10:20:02 | livindaylight | i won't panic yet :) |
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11:27:00 | livindaylight | by the way do any of you own Bose headphones? are they good? |
11:32:39 | linuxstb | livindaylight: For "by the way" conversations, join #rockbox-community |
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11:35:18 | livindaylight | oh, ok, sorry |
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11:37:11 | mcuelenaere | wpyh (logs): according to http://google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fbbs.imp3.net%2Fviewthread.php%3Faction%3Dprintable%26tid%3D415099&hl=en&ie=UTF8&sl=zh-CN&tl=en (scroll to 08.03.16; it's a serial read out from a booting ainol v2000se) the CCPMP.bin file should contain a checksum. have you seen any? |
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11:38:03 | GodEater | Christ, that new contributor to the RockboxPlayerV1 thread doesn't want much does he ? |
11:38:47 | scorche|sh | GodEater: yes...i already started a bit of mocking (not him) in -community... |
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11:43:12 | B4gder | that thread is just going in a loop |
11:43:28 | B4gder | since nobody is actually doing any development it'll remain so too |
11:43:54 | scorche|sh | B4gder: but he successfully flashed the LED!! |
11:44:03 | B4gder | haha |
11:44:29 | B4gder | you mean the led code that Atmel probably provide as an example? B-] |
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11:45:00 | * | B4gder is being a bit mean |
11:45:05 | scorche|sh | B4gder: but it worked! |
11:45:21 | GodEater | RB is imminent!!! |
11:45:43 | B4gder | but really, it's not entirely casainho's fault, it just proves that not a lot of people are really interested in building their own rockbox player |
11:46:30 | GodEater | indeed not |
11:48:01 | scorche|sh | ...or working with casainho |
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11:49:06 | B4gder | well that is true too, but if there were many people interested things would've turned differently |
11:51:44 | scorche|sh | wonder what happened to that "prototypeB" person |
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11:59:49 | PaulJam | LinusN: can you tell me what revision broke the H300 bootloader? |
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13:24:53 | LinusN | PaulJam: it broke when i refactored the code to separate the h300 and h100 bootloaders into iriver_h300.c |
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13:50:54 | robin0800 | gevaerts,todays good news, I now get a panic stack overflow (0) in rockbox |
13:51:41 | gevaerts | While doing what? |
13:54:09 | robin0800 | gevaerts, trying usb stack on a rear usb port, after copying fails, reset the c200 then it crashes |
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13:58:20 | gevaerts | "reset the c200"? You mean it wasn't connected at that point? |
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14:03:11 | robin0800 | gevaerts,yes it was it was on reconection |
14:04:52 | robin0800 | gevaerts,coy fails,reset sansa, dissconect, boot rockbox and reconnect |
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14:34:49 | mcuelenaere | anyone opposed to FS #9308 ? |
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14:39:17 | * | gevaerts can't imagine where the usb code would have a stack overflow |
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14:49:06 | LinusN | gevaerts: probably the filesystem mount that chokes on the corrupt file system |
14:49:22 | gevaerts | could be... |
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15:06:16 | gevaerts | robin0800: can you check the filesystem again with chkdsk, just to make sure |
15:06:17 | gevaerts | ? |
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15:29:23 | * | GodEater wonders why his topic redirect to the New Ports forum was removed |
15:29:53 | GodEater | although I suppose the guy posting to it already spotted it had moved =/ |
15:29:58 | Llorean | That was why |
15:30:17 | Llorean | If we left all the redirects in the "Unsupported Builds" forum around it'd be about 3 pages right now |
15:30:45 | GodEater | ah |
15:30:46 | Llorean | So I tend to remove them either "after a while" or after I'm sure the original poster knows the thread is somewhere else, rather than removed. |
15:30:54 | GodEater | ok |
15:31:05 | GodEater | I'll do it myself in future then when I know the OP has spotted the move |
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16:06:38 | mcuelenaere | JdGordon|afk: ping |
16:07:38 | Zambezi | I got a crazy idea now. My iPod Mini 2gen is about three years old. I'm going to replace the harddrive with CF-card. That will enchance the batterytime, but I might buy a battery with better performance, changing to Rockbox and get a wonderful time. :-) |
16:08:18 | LambdaCalculus37 | That's not crazy. We all do things like that. ;) |
16:08:39 | * | LambdaCalculus37 directs Zambezi to http://www.ifixit.com for a battery |
16:08:49 | domonoky | Zambezi: you may want to take a look at: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CFModGuide :-) |
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16:10:43 | Zambezi | domonoky: Done already. I have a compatible CF-card. |
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16:21:21 | Zambezi | This battery would be something. This and CF-card would be lovely. http://tinyurl.com/68m4mg |
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16:22:57 | * | petur wonders how old the batteries they sell on ebay are |
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16:30:08 | Zambezi | Me too, but I have to see. I want to read a trustable review before. |
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17:11:47 | beta2k | Are Gigabeat hard drives really pcmcia? |
17:12:29 | LambdaCalculus37 | beta2k: Only on the F IIRC. |
17:12:50 | beta2k | So can I put it in a laptop pcmcia slot? |
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17:14:56 | LambdaCalculus37 | I don't know if you can, though. |
17:15:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | The pinout may be different (but I'm not sure). |
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17:19:53 | beta2k | Hum |
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17:21:00 | beta2k | Next question.. |
17:21:09 | beta2k | Do you know anything about the USB interface on the F? |
17:21:42 | BigBambi | beta2k: markun is the resident F expert |
17:21:47 | gevaerts | Which one? |
17:21:50 | LambdaCalculus37 | beta2k: Only that until I get my Gigabeat F tonight, I haven't a damn clue. ;) |
17:22:09 | BigBambi | beta2k: But what about it? |
17:23:59 | * | gevaerts points out that the F has two USB interfaces |
17:24:53 | * | BigBambi has made the assumption we are not talking about OTG |
17:25:14 | gevaerts | Indeed, as neither of those two actually is OTG ;) |
17:25:22 | BigBambi | Alright, host |
17:25:32 | BigBambi | You know what I mean :) |
17:26:03 | * | gevaerts does now ;) |
17:26:16 | gevaerts | However, I still don't know what beta2k means |
17:26:34 | beta2k | Well mine doesn't detect properly |
17:26:46 | BigBambi | Your what doesn't detect what? |
17:26:57 | beta2k | Acording to dmesg it won't accept the address it's being given |
17:27:11 | BigBambi | works fine here |
17:27:21 | gevaerts | Have you tried different cables? |
17:27:28 | beta2k | My other F works fine |
17:27:33 | LambdaCalculus37 | beta2k: Wait, let me see if I get this straight... you're telling us that your PC isn't picking up on this F? |
17:27:41 | beta2k | Yes |
17:27:47 | beta2k | Just this one |
17:27:58 | gevaerts | Does the player go to usb mode? |
17:28:02 | beta2k | I bought it off ebay knowing that it didn't detect properly |
17:28:05 | * | LambdaCalculus37 thinks that this sounds strangely familiar to the problems his girlfriend is having with her X |
17:28:16 | beta2k | I only really wanted it for it's LCD |
17:28:24 | beta2k | That and it's a 20gig and mine is a 10gig |
17:28:33 | * | LambdaCalculus37 hands beta2k a bunch of tools |
17:28:38 | gevaerts | You can swap the drives |
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17:28:57 | beta2k | I'm just wondering why it doesn't work, not sure if it's the ATAPI bridge or something else |
17:29:09 | gevaerts | And while it's open, have a look at the usb connector. Maybe it got loose |
17:29:11 | LambdaCalculus37 | beta2k: Maybe. Or maybe something else in the F is toasted. |
17:30:03 | LambdaCalculus37 | Then that's not what's wrong with my girlfriend's X. Hers just doesn't seem to mount on her laptop, yet it worked just fine on my PowerBook. |
17:30:12 | beta2k | Weird |
17:30:25 | beta2k | I've tried this in Linux and Windows, same result in both |
17:31:00 | gevaerts | not accepting an address usually means not responding at all to traffic |
17:31:03 | LambdaCalculus37 | She's running Xubuntu 7.10, and dmesg shows it trying to establish a connection and failing with a timeout. |
17:31:19 | beta2k | So I thought if I could get it working I'd have a 10gig battery powered portable HD :) |
17:31:28 | LambdaCalculus37 | My PB picked up on the X right away and mounted it. |
17:31:40 | beta2k | I'll try it in the mac then |
17:32:01 | LambdaCalculus37 | beta2k: Does this happen both within RB and in Bootloader USB mode? |
17:32:09 | beta2k | gevaerts: Is the USB handled in software or totally by the Cyrus bridge? |
17:32:21 | beta2k | Yes |
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17:32:46 | gevaerts | beta2k: as far as I know the only software involved is the handover to the bridge |
17:32:58 | micr0c0sm | looks like even samsung is confused about thier 160gb model...it's not in their inventory even though its online... |
17:33:24 | beta2k | I assume the mass storage is done by the cyrus bridge and that the OF's WMP interface is done in software |
17:34:53 | * | gevaerts doesn't know |
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17:46:13 | beta2k | Can you put a CF card into a F? |
17:48:11 | LambdaCalculus37 | Yes, with an adapter. |
17:49:40 | beta2k | Hum, so I guess a CF-PCMCIA adaptor won't work for the HD? |
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18:00:48 | amiconn | beta2k, LambdaCalculus37: None of our 1.8" targets use the pcmcia connector variant |
18:01:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | amiconn: Ahh. |
18:01:36 | amiconn | The older ones (ipod G1..G4, Color, irivers, iaudios, gigabeat F) use 50-pin ata |
18:01:51 | amiconn | The newer ones (ipod G5, gigabeat X, S) use zif |
18:02:02 | amiconn | Not sure about the zen vision thingies |
18:02:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | amiconn: The ZVM is ZIF. |
18:02:41 | mcuelenaere | amiconn: ZVM uses ZIF and 1,8" ATA standard interface |
18:02:57 | * | LambdaCalculus37 leaves it to the man who owns a ZVM ;) |
18:03:01 | mcuelenaere | :) |
18:03:04 | amiconn | Other than those 2 mentioned connector types for 1.8" hdds, there are at least 3 others: 44-pin ata (like 2.5" hdd, on the long side), pcmcia (68-pin), and ce-ata |
18:03:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | amiconn: Yes, 44-pin ATA is in the Dell DJ and Rio Karma. |
18:03:38 | LambdaCalculus37 | And we know that CE-ATA is used on the 160GB iPod Classic. |
18:04:47 | amiconn | Oh, and ce-ata comes in 2 variants: 12pin and 18pin iirc |
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18:12:19 | beta2k | amiconn: So is the 50-pin the same pinout as a CF? |
18:30:23 | amiconn | no |
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18:31:42 | amiconn | They're very different |
18:33:25 | beta2k | Crud |
18:35:00 | beta2k | Crud |
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18:46:08 | * | pixelma spots an RBUtil developer around |
18:46:19 | pixelma | domonoky: hi :) |
18:46:31 | * | domonoky waves. :-) |
18:47:32 | pixelma | I tried the 1.0.6 Windows executable from the wiki with my M5 today and it tried to copy the m5_fw.bin to the root of my PC's HD |
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18:49:53 | domonoky | and you are sure the mountpoint was set correctly ? |
18:49:57 | pixelma | both with bootloader and complete installation, the only thing was that the bootloader on my M5 is up to date which RBUtil detected and asked me if I wanted to install anyway (and I chose "yes")... autodetection also worked, but I also tried chosing the player manually |
18:50:43 | tuma | Hello! bertrik, you were trying to reproduce my bug (FS #9286) .. any new ideas? |
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18:52:33 | bertrik | tuma I am a bit curious about the "nothing to resume" message I get at startup with your config |
18:52:52 | pixelma | start screen set to WPS? |
18:53:06 | domonoky | pixelma: sounds strange.. the code should copy the file to mountpoint / FIRMWARE /... |
18:53:55 | tuma | bertrik: hmm.. I'm a bit new to Rockbox. I have "Resume on startup" feature switched on... I don't know how that behaves first time after switching it on |
18:54:41 | amiconn | Resume on startup? What rockbox version are you running? |
18:54:54 | tuma | almost latest |
18:55:01 | tuma | wait a minute, i check the correct term. :) |
18:55:09 | LambdaCalculus37 | tuma: System > Rockbox Info. |
18:55:18 | LambdaCalculus37 | The revision number starts with an r. |
18:55:22 | tuma | r18327 |
18:56:06 | tuma | I mean Start Screen setting is set to "Resume playback" |
18:56:10 | pixelma | start screen > resume playback, I guess. And then it splashes "Nothing to resume" if there's nothing to resume |
18:56:47 | tuma | pixelma: yes |
18:57:15 | pixelma | domonoky: any ideas what I could test? Maybe I'm doing something wrong but I tried a few times |
18:57:19 | bertrik | I can imagine that the recording hang is related to switching from WPS to recording, which may be a difference between our setups because I don't have a song to resume |
18:58:16 | tuma | bertrik: yes, and I also have custom WPS |
18:58:30 | tuma | bertrik: if that's relevant.. |
18:58:54 | domonoky | pixelma: try setting the mountpoint to another drive (and create a FIRMWARE dir there). And check if it then also copys to the wrong place.. |
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18:59:19 | bertrik | tuma, possibly |
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18:59:34 | tuma | bertrik: my wps is a little bit modified version of parilis theme |
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19:02:34 | fml | Hello. Where can I get the assembler code of sansa v2 firmware? There are firmwares available but how can I get readable code? |
19:03:10 | pixelma | domonoky: aha, looks like it doesn't like if there is no FIRMWARE directory... |
19:03:20 | fml | Also: The stock firmware uses at least three different fonts (one normal, one for the item under the curstor, and another one for the elapsed/remaining time). Have the blocks containing the fonts been identified? |
19:04:14 | bertrik | if it's not on the forum topic or the wiki, then probably not |
19:04:39 | pixelma | domonoky: I now chose a currently connected external harddrive as destination only first and RBUtil still wanted to install something to C: after I created the FIRMWARE directory on the external one it worked correctly |
19:05:09 | domonoky | ah... will check the code :-) |
19:05:11 | pixelma | the existence of this directory on the player is not mandatory |
19:05:34 | pixelma | unless you want to flash a new bootloader of course :) |
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19:06:22 | bertrik | the sansav2firmware page has some weird text, looks like a description of a graphic |
19:06:22 | domonoky | so rbutil should create it, if it doesnt exist.. |
19:07:43 | pixelma | I'd think so, at least it shouldn't try to install something to C: ... |
19:10:25 | pixelma | especially since it stops at "cannot write to" if I don't run it with administrative right |
19:12:12 | domonoky | yes, i am fixing... :-) |
19:12:43 | bertrik | tuma, does the problem still occur if you disable disable resume on startup, or when you switch to the default theme? |
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19:14:07 | tuma | bertrik: which of 3 problem do you want me to try first? maybe gain manipulation problem is easiest :P |
19:14:36 | bertrik | whatever is easiest to reproduce |
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19:14:59 | tuma | what was the name of default theme |
19:15:08 | tuma | cabbiev2? |
19:15:11 | bertrik | yes |
19:16:01 | bertrik | hmm, I've managed to make it hang here too, but I wasn't looking |
19:16:59 | domonoky | pixelma: its now fixed in SVN... |
19:18:03 | tuma | bertrik: Disk Full -bug appears with default theme. |
19:18:52 | pixelma | domonoky: thanks for the quick fix ) |
19:19:18 | pixelma | eh... should have been :) |
19:19:44 | domonoky | pixelma: thanks for the bugreport :-) |
19:20:08 | bertrik | I can reproduce problem now too, it seems that deleting the recording directory helps a lot to reproduce it |
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19:20:50 | tuma | bertrik: I managed to reproduce the original bug (first one I reported) with default WPS |
19:21:03 | amiconn | eh? |
19:21:15 | amiconn | Rockbox should create the recording directory if it's missing |
19:21:20 | pixelma | no |
19:21:27 | tuma | bertrik: so it's not WPS dependent.. |
19:21:30 | pixelma | it records to the root per default |
19:21:43 | amiconn | pixelma: Not if you've set another dir |
19:22:13 | pixelma | set another dir that is then missing? |
19:22:49 | pixelma | not impossible but I just didn't think of that possibility |
19:22:54 | amiconn | That could certainly happen. Set a dir, then delete it |
19:23:36 | amiconn | On hotswap targets it becomes even more complicated. Set a recording dir one the card, then try to record without the card inserted... |
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19:24:20 | bertrik | the recording directory does seem to get created automatically, and in this case it is on a micro SDHC card (that I keep inserted_ |
19:26:07 | tuma | bertrik: if 1st bug isn't caused by WPS, I think you should be able to reproduce it |
19:27:21 | bertrik | I can reproduce a problem now with the default theme indeed (data abort at 9134) |
19:27:33 | tuma | bertrik: nice |
19:28:08 | tuma | bertrik: are you one of the developers? |
19:28:51 | fml | bertrik: I think one of the wiki plugins for displaying graphs got corrupted. This has been mentioned once but nobody cared. |
19:28:58 | bertrik | yes, since half a year or so |
19:29:21 | bertrik | but there's still large parts of the code I hardly know anything about |
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19:30:10 | fml | bertrik: do you have the asm code? Or do you know a place where I can get it? |
19:32:23 | tuma | bertrik: ok. are you going to try to fix that bug yourself?:P |
19:33:08 | * | bertrik looks around to find petur |
19:34:49 | bertrik | fml, no I don't have it and I'm not involved with the sansa v2's |
19:35:22 | bertrik | I vaguely remember you can disassemble a binary blob with arm-XXX-objdump -S but I can't remember the details |
19:37:03 | bertrik | fml, ah there's something on the wiki about it, see ObjdumpGuide |
19:37:29 | tuma | can you point me some Wiki page or tell briefly how do you debug rockbox |
19:37:55 | tuma | I have also programming knowledge and could possibly some time try to fix some bugs myself |
19:38:34 | tuma | (though don't have yet even compiled it myself) |
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19:39:17 | bertrik | I don't have a fixed procedure for it. Usually just getting a good reproduction recipe is half the work, looking through the source code and avoiding writing bugs in the first place ;) |
19:39:47 | tuma | so there's nothing like gdb or something :D |
19:40:44 | bertrik | there's been talk about writing a gdb stub that communicates over USB serial, just talk though |
19:41:42 | tuma | well, what about simulator? Probably most of the bugs can be reproduced with the simulator? |
19:41:56 | tuma | or am I wrong? |
19:42:29 | Llorean | tuma: The simulator is just a user interface simulator. Since your PC doesn't have the hardware the players do, and vice versa, anything hardware specific can't be reproduced there. |
19:42:31 | bertrik | ah yes, you can run the simulator but I think it can't catch really low-level bugs, also there's a framework for debugging messages |
19:42:33 | Llorean | It's not an emulator. |
19:43:54 | tuma | okay |
19:44:11 | bertrik | the data abort I got was inside find_handle |
19:44:12 | tuma | so debugging is way more difficult than with PC programs |
19:44:35 | bertrik | yes, way |
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19:50:21 | beta2k | If you program right, you won't have bugs :) |
19:50:23 | * | beta2k ducks |
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19:51:33 | gevaerts | beta2k: there is this small issue about not having specs sometimes :) |
19:51:44 | beta2k | Wuss |
19:52:33 | * | beta2k wonders how much more of this he can get away with before being shown the door :) |
19:52:54 | * | gevaerts will start taking beta2k seriously as soon as he has used his gigabeat disk with a pcmcia CF adapter ;) |
19:53:05 | beta2k | hahaha |
19:53:09 | * | bertrik is worried about the cached_handle in buffering.c |
19:53:09 | beta2k | Looked into that more |
19:53:18 | beta2k | I'm not going to try it :) |
19:54:10 | beta2k | I'd have better luck lifting and replacing the QFN ATA bridge then getting the HD to work in my laptop |
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20:00:01 | amiconn | On archos it's possible to use gdb (over serial) with a bit of soldering. Unfortunately this won't help for swcodec bugs... |
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20:04:36 | bertrik | petur, I can reproduce a problem (data abort) with recording now |
20:04:49 | petur | aha |
20:06:10 | Strife89 | Hey, does anyone here know how the Sansa battery code is coming along? Does the current patch charge safely? |
20:06:40 | Strife89 | My thanks to those who worked on the bug in USB corruption, by the way. :) |
20:09:49 | gevaerts | Strife89: thanks, but unfortunately it seems still not to be completely gone |
20:10:24 | Strife89 | I see. |
20:11:25 | bertrik | now I got a data abort in update_counters from buffering.c while recording |
20:12:17 | Strife89 | gevaerts (or anyone who can answer): How about the battery? I'm not about to pull up my browser in the middle of a distro upgrade..... |
20:12:50 | gevaerts | Strife89: (a) you need bertrik for that, and (b) you need a distro where that is not a problem ;) |
20:13:11 | Strife89 | Ubuntu is my distro. |
20:13:21 | Strife89 | I'm sure it's safe |
20:13:37 | Strife89 | −−but on my system it would be unbearably slow. |
20:14:06 | Strife89 | My CPU is constantly in the 90-100% usage range right now. |
20:14:37 | * | gevaerts would actually recommend #rockbox-community and apologizes for starting about this here |
20:17:24 | Strife89 | !bertrick |
20:18:31 | tuma | bye for now... good luck with bughunting |
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20:24:42 | bertrik | Strife89, yes I think it's safe to charge for the reasons mentions in the flyspray comment |
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20:25:18 | Strife89 | bertrik: Alright, thank you. |
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20:31:29 | desowin | gevaerts: oh yea, it's the printer itself, with different usb cable files appear to get corrupted as well |
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20:35:33 | saratoga | i modified the mp3 decoder to run the synthesis filterbank on the COP, which sort of works in playback, but freezes hard when I try to run test_codec |
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20:37:01 | saratoga | what is the difference between the test codec and normal playback? something about how threads work? |
20:37:16 | bertrik | oh, that's really cool. Do you see a reduction in average boost percentage already? |
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20:38:18 | saratoga | bertrik: I didn't check boost since the codec seems to halt every so often, probably due to bad logic in my threading |
20:39:00 | saratoga | but once debugged it should easily run unboosted |
20:39:47 | bertrik | rockbox 3.1 is going to rock :/ |
20:40:15 | LambdaCalculus37 | bertrik: The next release after that will be called "Rockbox 3.11 for Workgroups". :P |
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20:41:46 | saratoga | the design of libmad is very fortunate, the synthesis filter uses exactly 50% of the CPU time, is completely independent of the rest of the codec, and communicates entirely via IRAM |
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20:52:13 | amiconn | saratoga: If you already suspect a threading problem, that's probably what makes it freeze in test_codec |
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20:54:55 | amiconn | I'd expect that jhMikeS tried his dual core spc codec on test_codec |
20:56:03 | saratoga | amiconn: it doesn't freeze in playback, but occasionally glitches, so I assumed the threads were being lock stepped, but if test_codec works normally with threads, then it must be a problem in my code |
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20:56:34 | saratoga | i'll read through spc to see how he did it |
20:59:17 | saratoga | amiconn: on an unrelated note, what is the sense of using "IDATA_ATTR CACHEALIGN_ATTR" when declaring something |
20:59:26 | saratoga | isn't IRAM uncached anyway? |
20:59:33 | amiconn | It might be better to run a whole codec on the cop. This would still leave stuff for the cpu: dsp (tone control, eq, stereo width, resampler), and buffering |
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21:00:27 | amiconn | And since it has less things to do, this might save more battery due to faster buffering (on hdd targets). It would also free some cpu power for a better resampler |
21:00:35 | saratoga | amiconn: thats also on my todo list |
21:00:51 | amiconn | Oh, and UI of course |
21:00:59 | saratoga | i'm not sure if this is worth committing, mostly i want to use it to verify my measurements |
21:01:16 | amiconn | Yeah, certainly an interesting experiment |
21:01:39 | saratoga | I have looked into running the codec thread on the COP |
21:01:50 | amiconn | I'm not sure regarding your attribute combination question - jhMikeS should know |
21:02:19 | saratoga | the codecs themselvecs use little in the way of shared data, but they call a lot of the buffering functions directly, and those touch a lot of things |
21:02:45 | amiconn | Maybe the memory controller accesses whole lines, so that writing from both cores to locations within the same line at the same time causes problems |
21:03:10 | saratoga | that would make sense |
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21:42:07 | * | linuxstb drags people in from #rockbox-community, and asks if the .po format could handle the target-specific strings |
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21:43:54 | * | gevaerts looks at a .lang file, and decides that translating rbutil using the QT GUI tool is a lot easier |
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21:47:03 | rasher | I do wish for some sort of gui for handling Rockbox translations. |
21:47:40 | Llorean | rasher: Maybe if RBUtil ever gets those plugins that have been talked about. |
21:47:42 | amiconn | gevaerts: A qt gui app doesn't need the flexibility that rockbox needs for translation |
21:48:02 | amiconn | rasher: What's your translation page written in? |
21:48:12 | bluebrother | hacking up a Qt app for translating shouldn't be too hard. The only problem is that someone needs the time to do it ;-) |
21:48:19 | rasher | amiconn: php. It's not terribly pretty |
21:48:56 | linuxstb | bluebrother: I would prefer rasher's web-based interface. Or is there things you could do in Qt that you couldn't do on the web? |
21:49:12 | gevaerts | amiconn: it's not the flexibility that makes the difference, but just the ease of use. You have shortcuts to jump to the next work-needing string, you ust press tab to go to the next bit of work, things like that |
21:49:16 | saratoga | if I init a semaphore to 1, does that mean there is 1 unit of that resource available (and thus the first call to sem_wait will go right through)? |
21:49:51 | bluebrother | linuxstb: well, for example suggestions. You could do that with AJAX, but I'm not sure if that would be easier than doing it with Qt. |
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21:50:28 | amiconn | gevaerts: Afaik (that is, if genlang still does that with langv2), genlang inserts specially formatted comments for strings needing attention |
21:50:41 | bluebrother | but I don't see a strong need for a translation tool to be Qt based. Web based is fine too (though you can't use it without a net connection, like when travelling) |
21:50:53 | amiconn | So you can use the 'search next' function in your editor of choice.... |
21:51:16 | rasher | amiconn: but that doesn't put you at the point where you need to translate, just at the top of the phrase |
21:51:31 | gevaerts | amiconn: sure, but then my last search term suddenly is another string that I wanted to quickly look at... |
21:51:37 | rasher | bluebrother: Also, you can't save the state of the web based tool |
21:52:10 | linuxstb | rasher: You _could_ save it though, it's just that you haven't implemented it... |
21:52:15 | bluebrother | true. Still, I'm barely finding time for rbutil, so I won't start a Qt based one. |
21:52:36 | amiconn | rasher: I don't see the problem here. You need to check the whole phrase (english text, description, and old translation/voice string if that exists) in order to do a proper translation anyway |
21:53:12 | gevaerts | rasher: can you edit existing translations with your website? |
21:53:16 | amiconn | If you don't do this, you'll quickly end up with something that's in a certain language, but not a usable translation |
21:53:24 | rasher | amiconn: but you don't *have* to move your cursor over them. Cursor movement accounts for a lot of my time spent when translating manually |
21:53:28 | * | amiconn knows plenty of examples for this.... |
21:53:46 | mcuelenaere | wpyh (logs): a reminder from your TODO list: when you contact your friend/Ingenic ex-employee, don't forget to ask him out about the Jz4740 MIPS core aka JzRISC |
21:54:54 | rasher | Being able to quickly tab to the next place I need to input would be nice. |
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21:55:58 | gevaerts | amiconn: have you ever run qtlinguist on e.g. the rbutil translations? You get the source string, the translation, suggestions, (possibly) comments, and the source code where the string is used. And then you get quick navigation support |
21:57:18 | amiconn | No, I didn't. Never dealt with qt stuff other than as a plain user |
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21:58:04 | gevaerts | It doesn't fit the rockbox need (voice,...) so we can't use it as-is, but it _is_ a nice way to work with translations |
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22:06:32 | * | gevaerts has a rbutil feature request :) |
22:07:37 | bluebrother | translator plugin? |
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22:07:44 | gevaerts | How did you guess? |
22:08:16 | * | bluebrother whistles |
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22:10:12 | domonoky | gevaerts: you could add it to the RockboxUtilityDevelopment wiki page... |
22:10:47 | bluebrother | but a plugin architecture would be nice −− that way the core rbutil could still concentrate on installation stuff |
22:11:30 | bluebrother | hopefully that would also make it easier to maintain. |
22:11:40 | domonoky | it isnt hard to use Qts plugin API, you just need to decide how the API should look like... |
22:12:06 | bluebrother | yep, and I bet this is rather the hard part ;-) |
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22:12:43 | * | amiconn only hopes that rbutil will never become mandatory for any rockbox feature |
22:12:55 | * | bluebrother wouldn't want that too |
22:14:24 | mcuelenaere | JdGordon|afk, JdGordon (logs): what's your opinion about FS #9308 ? |
22:14:31 | gevaerts | domonoky: done |
22:15:21 | desowin | gevaerts: the problem with printer connected doesn't put any error in system log, but the file just have "repeated" part (file size is the same) |
22:15:55 | * | gevaerts would suggest to _only_ handle the actual editing in rbutil, and leave genlang as-is. That way there is no need forpeople to change their workflow if they don't want to |
22:17:02 | gevaerts | desowin: that's as expected. The corruption issue and the usb issues are very different (only the latter ones can get you system log messages), although they probably have similar causes (timing, cache effects...) |
22:17:55 | gevaerts | domonoky: at least done now. For some reason "Preview" and "Save" don't have the exact same effect |
22:25:13 | desowin | gevaerts: http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/2503/54062210ln6.png and http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/7883/10505179qg5.png |
22:26:06 | desowin | (the crazy file name is hexworkshop fault...) |
22:26:48 | gevaerts | desowin: I must say I don't really understand what these show |
22:27:15 | * | gevaerts sees now |
22:27:22 | gevaerts | Corruption in the FAT table? |
22:27:45 | desowin | well, I formatted it before copying |
22:28:06 | gevaerts | Sure, but copying manipulates the FAT |
22:29:26 | gevaerts | I mean, it looks like an entire block of data is at the wrong place. I've never seen that corruption pattern before, but it might be caused by the "standard" off-by-two corruption if it occurs in the FAT |
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22:36:53 | * | amiconn thinks that there's a problem with the pp sd bridge write timing |
22:37:56 | amiconn | I can't think of another reason why the speed of the write loop would influence the occurence of these corruptions in such an irregular way |
22:39:10 | amiconn | If the fifo is what the driver assumes, transfer speed shouldn't matter at all as long as we're not causing overruns |
22:43:18 | desowin | gevaerts: in different files it appears to be just different amount of replaced data |
22:44:17 | gevaerts | desowin: I'm not sure what you mean |
22:45:19 | desowin | in the screenshot there's 0x2000 bytes different, in other files the difference can be 0x1000 bytes or 0xE000 |
22:46:29 | gevaerts | ok |
22:47:30 | desowin | and it freezes vista, but I think it's known issue |
22:48:47 | * | gevaerts doesn't know |
22:54:22 | desowin | btw. it's internal flash |
22:54:40 | desowin | (sorry, forgot to mention) |
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23:43:29 | rasher | Why does LANG_BATTERY_TIME have a separate string for h10,ipodmini,ipodmini2g? |
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23:55:33 | amiconn | rasher: Line length depending on lcd size |
23:55:57 | pixelma | is it h10 or h10_5gb ? |
23:56:10 | rasher | Aren't there other similarly-sized screens? |
23:56:22 | amiconn | Large LCDs show "Battery: <time>", smaller ones "Batt: <time>" and the smallest ones just the time |
23:56:25 | rasher | Also, WHY ISN'T THIS INT HE DESC LINE |
23:56:43 | pixelma | yeah, the c200 isn't that far off too |
23:56:59 | pixelma | I mean the display size of course |
23:57:29 | beta2k | Why are you yelling rasher ? :) |
23:57:31 | amiconn | Maybe it's not needed anymore with the list-based info screen (provided that the dreaded scrolling problem is fixed) |
23:58:19 | amiconn | rasher: Do you think that's necessary? |
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23:58:54 | amiconn | But in fact the split method is rather lame here. There's a high chance for new targets getting the wrong variant. |
23:58:57 | gevaerts | beta2k: that's the Angry Dane Title Case variant |