#rockbox 2008-08-22

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#rockbox log for 2008-08-22

00:00:14	rasher	firmware/export/config-gigabeat.h:#define CPU_FREQ 16934400
00:00:20	rasher	firmware/target/arm/s3c2440/gigabeat-fx/system-target.h:#define CPUFREQ_MAX 296352000
00:00:25	rasher	firmware/target/arm/s3c2440/gigabeat-fx/system-target.h:#define CPUFREQ_DEFAULT 98784000
00:00:38	rasher	What's the CPU_FREQ mean?
00:04:45	Llorean	The F had boosting briefly
00:04:45	n1s	LambdaCalculus37: we run it at 265 MHz ~532MHz/2
00:04:45	Llorean	It just doesn't any more, since it turned out to actually shorten battery life for some reason.
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00:04:45	rasher	Llorean: But none of the values match CPU_FREQ
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00:04:45	Llorean	I dunno.
00:04:45	rasher	ah, so it doens't actulaly run at any of thoes speeds anymore? Only CPU_FREQ?
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00:04:45	DBUG	Enqueued KICK Llorean
00:04:45	Llorean	I think it's actually at CPU_FREQ_MAX now
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00:04:45	rasher	I see
00:04:45	rasher	That barely makes sense.
00:04:45	Llorean	Or rather, I think they decided the chip handles its own scaling if just left alone.
00:04:45	LambdaCalculus37	So the value at #define CPUFREQ_DEFAULT 98784000 is not what is being used?
00:04:45	n1s	haha, this needs a cleanup and some commenting :)
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00:04:45	Llorean	Apparently
00:04:45	***	Alert Mode level 2
00:04:45	Llorean	rasher: I think the only person likely to actually know might be markun
00:04:45	Davide-NYC	We need to define CPUFREQ_MAX in \rockbox\firmware\target\arm\imx31\gigabeat-s\system-target.h correct?
00:04:48	Llorean	Davide-NYC: Once/if scaling gets enabled, then yes.
00:05:19	Davide-NYC	But for now, to get test_codec to work (as a hack) this could work, no?
00:05:47	Davide-NYC	BTW: it compiled for GBF
00:05:49	Llorean	Well if it's just used locally, you could #define it in the actual plugin in an #ifdef check for if you're compiling the beast.
00:05:51	LambdaCalculus37	Cool. :)
00:06:58	rasher	Llorean: Setting CPUFREQ_MAX to CPU_FREQ if CPUFREQ_MAX isn't defined should do The Right Thing, as far as I can tell
00:07:33	rasher	#ifndef CPUFREQ_MAX\n#define CPUFREQ_MAX CPU_FREQ\n#endif ?
00:07:34	Llorean	rasher: Are there any #ifdef CPUFREQ_MAX or #ifndef CPUFREQ_MAX anywhere?
00:08:09	Davide-NYC	I just tossed the #define in up towards the top of the GBS system-target.h file just as it is on the GBF system-target.h file and gave it a value of 532000000
00:08:33	rasher	Maybe using HAVE_ADJUSTABLE_CPU_FREQ would work as well
00:08:40	LambdaCalculus37	Davide-NYC: I have that value listed as CPUFREQ_NORMAL.
00:09:19	Davide-NYC	yeah, I want the thing to run as it would normally run (in the current development state) and see what kind of performance numbers I get.
00:09:37	rasher	Davide-NYC: don't meddle with system-target.h
00:09:41	rasher	Just fix test_codec instead
00:09:47	Davide-NYC	Doh!
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00:10:16	*	LambdaCalculus37 hands Davide-NYC an Undo button
00:10:25	Davide-NYC	Just for argument, the GBF version of system-target.h is setup this way so I thought I would just follow form
00:10:42	*	Davide-NYC ducks
00:11:35	Davide-NYC	and if I mess with test_codec.c won't that override any other (target dependant) CPUFREQ_MAX ?
00:11:38	rasher	Maybe like so: http://pastebin.ca/1181094
00:12:25	rasher	Except that'll probably break on Gigabeat F, because it's in a state of having some defines indicate one thing, and some indicate another
00:12:46	Davide-NYC	Gigabeat F leaving the building so ICCL.
00:13:02	LambdaCalculus37	rasher: I'll try your patch on the S.
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00:13:27	Davide-NYC	make is happy!
00:14:33	rasher	markun: What's the various CPU frequency defines set to for the GigabeatF? config-gigabeat.h and gigabeat-fx/system-target.h seem to be in conflict.
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00:14:51	LambdaCalculus37	rasher: Got this: http://pastebin.com/d1fb27c0b
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00:15:38	rasher	LambdaCalculus37: are you sure you didn't break the patch or something? Pastebin is not the best way of moving patches around :\
00:16:01	rasher	I need a special arm-elf-gcc for gigabeast don't I?
00:16:22	LambdaCalculus37	rasher: I copied it to Emacs and saved it as a diff.
00:16:34	rasher	Well, it clearly got broken. I blame emacs.
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00:16:49	Llorean	rasher: I'm pretty sure you don't. Same one as we use for everything else.
00:17:14	*	Llorean would've just manually altered the file based on that diff, and never would've thought of actually trying to patch it.
00:17:20	LambdaCalculus37	rasher: Can you make it a patch?
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00:17:59	rasher	LambdaCalculus37: can't you just apply it manually? Alternatively, try this: wget http://pastebin.ca/raw/1181094 -O - -q \|patch -p0
00:18:14	Davide-NYC	I'm codec testing on the beast as we speak (type?)
00:18:16	*	LambdaCalculus37 svn reverts test_codec and tries rasher's solution
00:18:23	phish	would it ever be possible ( if there was enough interest in it ) to have ethernet over firewire for the ipod 5g?
00:18:35	rasher	And yeah, you might want to check that that's the right url before blindly applying patches from a pastebin
00:19:17	LambdaCalculus37	rasher: It is.
00:19:56	Llorean	phish: Do you mean "TCP/IP over USB"?
00:20:12	phish	Llorean: i think that's what i mean? :d
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00:20:26	*	LambdaCalculus37 builds for the beast
00:20:37	LambdaCalculus37	Davide-NYC: How is your build coming along?
00:20:46	Davide-NYC	is done, am testing
00:20:51	Llorean	phish: It could be possible, but I don't see anyone ever being interested enough to spend the time on it without a practical use for it.
00:20:55	rasher	Davide-NYC: does the output look plausible?
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00:21:31	Davide-NYC	lame_320.mp3 725% realtime!
00:21:33	Llorean	It should be slightly slower to perhaps the same-ish speed as the GigabeatF I would expect.
00:21:49	Llorean	Unless the ARM optimizations actually are better suited to the different ARM version.
00:21:53	LambdaCalculus37	Holy crap that's fast! :O
00:22:31	Davide-NYC	not really, 667% on GBF
00:23:02	Llorean	Remember, the Beast should be running at half its potential max speed, iiuc.
00:23:02	LambdaCalculus37	Davide-NYC: Coming from the world of iPods, that's pretty damn fast to me. ;)
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00:24:31	Davide-NYC	well speed = CPUFREQ_MAX which in my case is 532000000.
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00:25:13	Davide-NYC	that's also what's defined as CPUFREQ_NORMAL, is this being halved somewhere?
00:25:16	Llorean	Davide-NYC: That doesn't actually set the speed you're running at...
00:25:23	Davide-NYC	Ah.
00:25:37	Davide-NYC	Where do I find that?
00:25:48	Llorean	Don't know
00:25:51	n1s	Davide-NYC: the CPU_FREQ define is correct, 264MHz (I was wrong before)
00:25:59	Llorean	But as far as I know n1s was correct in that we're running at half the max speed.
00:26:07	n1s	and yes, these defines are a mess :)
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00:26:23	LambdaCalculus37	The defines need a scrubbing.
00:27:07	*	Davide-NYC decides to replace all defines with random selections from GoldenQuotes
00:27:23	n1s	I think 'someone' should look into dropping CPU_FREQ and using the others with more descriptive names
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00:27:53	*	Davide-NYC suspects he means "someun"
00:28:04	*	Davide-NYC or markone
00:28:23	*	LambdaCalculus37 thinks we should call the defines "CPU_SPEEDINESS" :P
00:30:02	LambdaCalculus37	Davide-NYC: Success here.
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00:30:20	rasher	Davide-NYC: so you didn't remove the changes to system-target.h after all? You shouldn't have CPUFREQ_MAX set at all.
00:30:22	Phineas	hello
00:30:59	Davide-NYC	nah, I just left it in there. I'm hoping I get a stern talking to.
00:31:02	Phineas	can someone help me install rockbox on my 8gb 2g ipod nano?
00:31:15	LambdaCalculus37	Can't do. Rockbox doesn't work on the 2ng gen nano.
00:31:25	LambdaCalculus37	s/2ng/2nd
00:31:46	rasher	Davide-NYC: then your results are likely bunk
00:32:29	Davide-NYC	rasher: I was hoping you'd say that and then follow up with a detailed explanation as to why
00:32:33	Davide-NYC	:-)
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00:33:45	n1s	rasher, Davide-NYC: the CPUFREQ_MAX define is only used for the "%d.%02dMHz needed for realtime" calculation in test_codec
00:33:48	rasher	Davide-NYC: if you set frequencies to something the S isn't running at, how do you expect the calculations to be right?
00:33:53	rasher	"Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?"
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00:34:22	rasher	n1s: I know, but that's exactly what Davide-NYC was quoting
00:34:52	rasher	Err, maybe not.
00:35:14	rasher	I clearly shouldn't be allowed near computer
00:35:17	Davide-NYC	bottom line: what should "speed" be for the GBS?
00:35:32	rasher	Davide-NYC: Just apply my patch, and all should be fine
00:35:43	rasher	and revert any previous attempts at fixing it
00:35:47	LambdaCalculus37	The moment of truth...
00:35:52	*	LambdaCalculus37 gets out his Gigabeat S
00:36:02	Davide-NYC	(the variable that is being assigned a value on line 624 of test_codec.c?
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00:38:48	Davide-NYC	LambdaCalculus37: could you pastebin your results when it's done please?
00:41:31	rasher	Davide-NYC: you mean line 625 or 627?
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00:43:22	Davide-NYC	rasher according to my editor it's 624
00:43:47	Davide-NYC	speed = CPUFREQ_MAX / speed;
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00:43:56	rasher	Davide-NYC: Then you haven't applied my patch as I told you.
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00:44:08	Davide-NYC	not yet
00:44:19	Davide-NYC	hoping for understanding
00:45:36	rasher	The patch is basically self-explanatory (hint: HAVE_ADJUSTABLE_CPU_FREQ
00:45:43	rasher	isn't set for gigabeat-s
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00:57:47	Davide-NYC	I need to report some VERY strange behavior with my Gigabeat S.
00:58:19	Davide-NYC	I was unzipping a build to the correct partition. Once done I unmounted (from windows) correctly and disconnected the cable.
00:58:54	Davide-NYC	I recieved a message saying (paraphrased from memory) removing media, please wait. Once finished my data partion was completely empty.
00:59:16	gevaerts	ah, yes. The beast's self-destruct feature
00:59:27	Davide-NYC	are you kidding me?
00:59:28	Davide-NYC	LOL
00:59:31	toffe82	yes, the very know feature
00:59:34	*	gevaerts only had that once
00:59:39	toffe82	known
00:59:48	Davide-NYC	Now I get "file not found"
01:00
01:00:13	n1s	since it's gone :)
01:00:19	Davide-NYC	No indication of which file
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01:00:26	*	Davide-NYC great
01:00:32	n1s	well, all of them :)
01:00:43	*	gevaerts thinks that this "feature" is a good reason to not use his S30 as his main player yet
01:00:46	Davide-NYC	but I've restore the .rockbox folder
01:01:52	n1s	Davide-NYC: is it the rockbox bootloader that says "file not found" ?
01:02:12	gevaerts	I think I needed to boot the OF once before the bootloader found rockbox
01:02:12	*	Davide-NYC urghh
01:02:21	Davide-NYC	yes
01:02:56	gevaerts	If you have the dual-boot bootloader, try booting the OF and then reset and try again
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01:02:56	n1s	gevaerts: odd
01:03:06	Davide-NYC	gevaerts: I did that, same condition
01:03:51	Davide-NYC	can anyone give me a list of files to expect to have in the TFAT partition (the 100MB one)?
01:04:42	BigBambi	I have removed akll except nk.bin and it works fine
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01:06:22	Davide-NYC	RB BL says "init complete" and then "file not found"
01:06:29	Davide-NYC	what file is it looking for?
01:06:42	n1s	rockbox.gigabeat i am sure
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01:06:45	BigBambi	rockbox.gigabeat
01:07:15	BigBambi	It sometimes (after a bl install) can't find it
01:07:37	Davide-NYC	That's what I thought and I put a copy of it in the root.
01:07:38	BigBambi	I had it once, and fixed it by sending the original nk.bin, booting the OF, then resending the patched dual boot one
01:07:53	Davide-NYC	Oh for the love of mike!
01:08:13	BigBambi	It isn't supported or released yet...
01:08:15	gevaerts	he's not here right now
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01:08:24	Davide-NYC	BigBambi: I know I know
01:08:56	*	Davide-NYC time is my nemesis in these types of situations
01:09:22	n1s	Davide-NYC: it should be inside .rockbox not in the root
01:09:45	Davide-NYC	n1s: I know, I thought that it might help, but it didn;t
01:11:56	Llorean	linuxstb: Since this is actually on-topic, do you think there's any harm in trying to set real "goals" (or at least "hopes") for version numbers?
01:11:59	Llorean	Like, "3.1 - Focus on having fairly solid recording" etc?
01:12:05	scorche\|sh	Llorean: a "roadmap"?
01:12:06	Llorean	Yeah
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01:12:27	gevaerts	That somehow depends on managing to get people to focus on specific features though
01:12:34	Llorean	If we're going to be doing quarterly releases, while we might not be able to set specific goals, we can at least say "We'd like it if people focused their attention on this aspect of the program"
01:12:49	Llorean	gevaerts: Yeah, but it's not set in stone.
01:13:05	scorche\|sh	Llorean: well, there is always the "we dont provide timelines/roadmaps/etc" bit that that conflicts with
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01:13:22	Llorean	Just like saying "For 3.1 we'd like people to be focused on recording and the recording screen" and then if people don't want to be, fine, we're just saying it and hoping one or two extra people pitch in in that area.
01:13:45	Llorean	scorche\|sh: That can be changed, and I'm not suggesting a real "roadmap" so much as just asking for focus.
01:14:21	Llorean	Like "3.2 - Since music and recording should be pretty solid by now, we'd like to focus on UI improvements, both in terms of improving/fixing theming and resolving use difficulties"
01:14:47	Llorean	These things don't have to happen, but at least it gives a little direction if someone's trying to pick what they'd like to work on next and sees a few options open to them.
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01:52:40	Davide-NYC	OK, I dragged and dropped the original nk.bin file. Unmounted and rebooted the palyer. Back to original firmware, MTP only and all.
01:53:00	Davide-NYC	Then I sendfirmed (since I was back to MTP only) the patched nk.bin file successfully.
01:53:13	Davide-NYC	Now I'm back where I started with the file not found error.
01:53:15	Davide-NYC	Hmm
01:55:30	Unhelpful	Davide-NYC: i get that after a format, and seem to need a sync w/ WMP before it'll go away. but certainly there must be a better way.
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01:56:27	linuxstb	I had that problem as well - I just kept going through the OF's recovery process, re-installing nk.bin with sendfirm, and it eventually worked.
01:56:48	*	linuxstb wonders exactly what the differences are between TFAT and FAT
01:56:57	Davide-NYC	Oh dear. I'm gonna leave it alone then. T for trivial?
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01:59:11	linuxstb	T for "Transaction-Safe" (MS's capitalization...)
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02:07:14	Davide-NYC	Back in business!
02:08:05	LambdaCalculus37	Awesome! :)
02:08:23	Davide-NYC	But that's a show stopper if I ever saw one.
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02:15:45	Unhelpful	linuxstb: that looks suspiciously like how tux2 did transaction safety w/o journalling... and i recall the tux2 texts at the time specifically mentioning that a FAT system w/ multiple FATs could use the same method.
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02:49:30	Soap	It would be cool if the flyspray email notifications were all sent as replies to the previous one so that they threaded nicely.
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03:19:26	dataangel	I made a folder in rockbox/plugins for my plugin, added the folder to rockbox/plugins/SUBDIRS and added the sources to rockbox/plugin/myplugin/SOURCES but my plugin still won't build. It complains there's no makefile but I thought that was generated from SOURCES...
03:19:35	dataangel	what else do I need to do?
03:19:41	solexious_	Any one know why when installing though the gui it errors on downloading theames?
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03:21:00	saratoga	dataangel: if your plugin has more then 1 file, you're going to need to give it a makefile, otherwise theres no way to know what to compile
03:21:17	Llorean	solexious_: The theme server is outdated. It was a third party server. You'll just have to do with manual theme installs for the time being
03:21:25	solexious_	I get, The following error occured: No themes found.
03:21:37	solexious_	Llorean: than you
03:21:52	solexious_	thank*
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03:23:25	dataangel	saratoga: I thought the point of the SOURCES file was to specify the sources so that a Makefile would be generated. Otherwise, what's it for?
03:25:01	saratoga	dataangel: SOURCES is a list of source files thats parsed by a makefile
03:25:14	saratoga	take a look at any of the other folders in plugins
03:25:42	dataangel	I'm looking at the one for pacbox and it looks complex @_@
03:26:07	Unhelpful	dataangel: SOURCES only works for one source->one plugin. it has no way to know to link files together to make a plugin. multiple sources means a subdir and your own makefile.
03:26:58	dataangel	Unhelpful: The other 'sources' are actually just .c files containing single arrays (raw pcm output) that are #include'd by my one real source file
03:27:11	dataangel	do I still need one?
03:27:42	dataangel	when I put everything in the plugins folder I only added one line to plugins/SOURCES, myplugin.c
03:28:07	saratoga	if they're just headers, you should probably use .h as the file extension
03:28:30	saratoga	and if theres only 1 actual c file, then no you don't need a makefile
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03:28:49	saratoga	just put a reference to it in the SOURCES file in apps/plugins/
03:29:02	dataangel	ah k it must detect the .c names
03:29:32	saratoga	it doesn't care what the file extension is, its just parsing for a list of files to compile (though gcc might care)
03:30:45	Unhelpful	if it can be compiled by feeding one file to gcc, and the others are justi includes, yes, you should just put the "main" file in SOURCES
03:31:39	dataangel	Should I put myplugin/myplugin.c in plugins/SOURCES, or just add it to myplugin/SOURCES?
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03:40:31	dataangel	hrm, putting myplugin/myplugin.c into plugins/SOURCES results in errors that there's no make target for my header files @_@
03:40:51	dataangel	why the heck is it trying to build a header?
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03:44:39	midgey	plugins/SOURCES is used to compile a .c into a .rock. All the c files must be in /plugins. If your plugin uses multiple c files, you must create a subdirectory in /plugins and add that directory to /plugins/SUBDIRS and then you must create a Makefile with rules to compile those files into a rock. One option is two use a SOURCES file and parse it or you can link and build each file explicitly in the Makefile
03:50:17	saratoga	dataangel: that usually means the files you're including aren't in the include path (which is defined by the makefile parsing the SOURCES file you used)
03:50:44	saratoga	you probably need to fix your "#include ..." lines
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03:53:17	pingosimon	Anyone have experience playing NSF SPC or SID files on an Archos Recorder 20GB?
03:55:31	Llorean	pingosimon: Rockbox doesn't support formats other than MP3 (and WAV using a plugin) on that player
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03:56:39	pingosimon	ah ok, thanks
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04:02:00	dataangel	saratoga: yer right :)
04:02:23	dataangel	saratoga: But I made the #include's relative to dualnback.c's location, but I guess it wants it relative to SOURCES
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04:03:57	saratoga	dataangel: the first line of most of the makefiles is "INCLUDES = ..." that should tell you where you can make your paths relative to
04:04:23	dataangel	hrm, it still wants to build the header
04:04:31	saratoga	but it looks like they all include the directory the makefile is in, so plugins will probably work
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04:05:05	saratoga	if you include a header, it will try to build it, so thats normal
04:05:31	dataangel	doesn't the preprocessor handle 'building' the header when it builds the .c file?
04:06:02	saratoga	the preprocessor combines the header with the source file, and then the compiler tries to build both
04:06:14	saratoga	if either is missing, you will get an error, which is what you described above
04:07:32	dataangel	right, but the makefile shouldn't care about the header, pointing the compiler at the source file will do the job (the preprocessor will #include the header contents and then build)
04:08:28	saratoga	yes, and if you haven't put the header when you the include points to, then you will get that error
04:09:06	dataangel	?
04:09:07	saratoga	the makefile doesn't care exactly, but gcc certainly does, and when it errors out the makefile begins to care
04:09:24	dataangel	I fixed the #include's though and the error persists
04:09:36	saratoga	describe your fix
04:09:42	dataangel	whether I #include "myheader.h" or #include "myplugin/myheader.h", I get the same error
04:09:54	saratoga	where is the header located?
04:10:07	dataangel	the headers are all in apps/plugins/myplugin
04:10:16	dataangel	so is myplugin.c
04:10:28	dataangel	and I put "myplugin/myplugin.c" into apps/plugins/SOURCES
04:12:55	saratoga	I think its #include "plugins/myplugin/myheader.h"
04:13:10	dataangel	oh
04:13:11	saratoga	since the makefile references apps not apps/plugins
04:13:27	saratoga	unless i'm misreading it
04:14:15	dataangel	no dice, same error
04:14:17	beta2k_	Any Gigabeat guru's around?
04:14:22	saratoga	no idea then
04:14:29	dataangel	guess I need to write a makefile
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04:15:04	dataangel	saratoga: thanks for the help :)
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04:16:05	saratoga	actually the wavpack decoder plugin does "lib/filetoinclude.h", so maybe your first way would work too
04:16:41	saratoga	anyway theres a few other plugins with complicated include lines, so maybe you can grep for one like what you need to do
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04:57:07	webguest81	i cant play .mpg files on my rockboxed sansa e270. Anybody help?
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04:57:43	scorche\|sh	how did you encode them?
04:58:17	webguest81	I didnt. My camera produces mpeg1 videos.
04:58:48	saratoga	well thats probably the problem
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04:59:15	webguest81	when i try to play them it just says data abort<000> and freezes up
04:59:21	saratoga	read the PluginMpegplayer wiki page
04:59:25	webguest81	is it normal to freeze up like that
04:59:44	webguest81	i though rockbox plays mpeg 1 and 2 files?
04:59:49	saratoga	if you give it unexpected input, probably
04:59:56	saratoga	well it plays a subset of mpeg 1 and 2 files
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05:00:22	webguest81	so if its produced on different layers it might not work?
05:01:00	Llorean	Well, cameras often produce them with AC3 audio
05:01:16	Llorean	Rockbox expects mp3, mp2, or mp1 audio.
05:01:37	Llorean	It's also very unlikely your camera creates video at the same screen size as your sansa
05:01:46	webguest81	does rockbox have a actual option to access the video player or do you just click on the video file?
05:02:46	webguest81	i know it plays if you select the file but does rockbox have an separate icon to access the video player?
05:02:52	Llorean	No.
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05:04:21	webguest81	i was looking in the codec files that came with the rockbox download and i didnt see an mpeg codec. But it could just be under a different name. I dont know much about these things. lol!
05:04:34	Llorean	It's not a codec.
05:04:53	Llorean	As saratoga said, read the PluginMpegplayer page for instructions on properly preparing your videos.
05:05:04	Llorean	It's a portable device and doesn't have the power to just accept any video you throw at it.
05:05:12	webguest81	sweet, that helps thanx.
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05:12:30	Peter200lx	What are the voice files suppost to contain?
05:12:42	Peter200lx	I've download the file for my device from http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml
05:12:53	Peter200lx	but the zip file doesn't seem to work
05:13:32	Peter200lx	I looked at what was contained, and it had stuff like images for some the the default WPS, and other seemingly unessesary files
05:14:08	Peter200lx	*I'm trying this with a Sansa e280 with a broken screen
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05:14:49	Peter200lx	I'm using the latest default build
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05:20:53	saratoga	thats the page for daily builds, not voice files
05:21:19	saratoga	I don't know how voice files work though
05:21:23	Peter200lx	If I go to http://build.rockbox.org/
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05:21:44	Peter200lx	and click the link Daily builds and Voices
05:21:58	Peter200lx	it takes me to
05:21:59	Peter200lx	http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml
05:22:07	Peter200lx	is there a different URL for voices?
05:22:42	Peter200lx	also the link from http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxExtras for voices points to the same page
05:24:40	Peter200lx	hmm, after doing some searching, I found this page on the Wiki
05:24:40	Peter200lx	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VoiceFiles
05:24:54	Peter200lx	is the top table for current voice files?
05:26:35	Peter200lx	This page also points to the daily.shtml file
05:26:36	Peter200lx	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VoiceBuilding
05:27:03	cool_walking_	VoiceHowto says you can create your own voice files with Rockbox Utility.
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05:27:38	Peter200lx	isn't that for each file though, not for the menu system?
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05:27:52	cool_walking_	I don't know, never used voice.
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05:31:19	cool_walking_	It seems to have functions for both
05:31:29	cool_walking_	Rockbox Utility, that is.
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05:32:02	Peter200lx	ahh, good point
05:32:07	Peter200lx	I'll test that
05:32:09	cool_walking_	It seems "Voice files" are for the menu, and "Talk files" are for files.
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05:40:06	Peter200lx	very good, that seems to build great, now I just need to find a good TTS engine to use
05:40:40	Peter200lx	also, it would be good to figgure out what is up with the website, and what it should point to
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06:13:10	num1	I would like to thank the rockbox community. I recently bought a bricked Sansa and with the help of your wiki I was able to fairly easily unbrick it. Thank you for providing all information you find and posting it for the public to see
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06:36:06	cool_walking_	Judging by the silence, The Rockbox Community seems to be away, so I'll happily accept the award and cash prize in their stead.
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07:34:37	amiconn	Llorean: 4GB is the limit for the currently supported MMC protocol versions (up to MMC4.1). These work both in Rockbox and via USB. The OF only supports up to 1GB.
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07:37:15	amiconn	Supporting >4GB MMCs in Rockbox would be possible (MMC4.2 protocol, similar to SDHC). Such cards were announced by 2 manufacturers (Samsung and Microdia) more than 2 years ago, but are still unavailable today...
07:39:41	amiconn	And important details is that it won't be possible to access these cards via USB in the Ondio, as the USB-MMC bridge doesn't talk MMC4.2. This is similar to rockbox (optionally) supporting LBA48 (HDD >128GB) but the Archos USB-ATA bridge doesn't, but it's much less of a problem
07:40:46	amiconn	You don't want to fill such a large MMC using the Ondio as a card reader anyway. The Ondio USB-MMC bridge is sloow
07:42:21	amiconn	http://www.microdia.com/ebiz/jsp/site/product_details.jsp?ccode=000003100011100&pcode=216 I should probably ask them...
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08:21:25	micr0c0sm	hmm, $205 to upgrade my ipod video from 60gb -> 160gb
08:23:04	micr0c0sm	are there any other portable players that support 160gb drives and have a rockbox port?
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08:29:04	JdGordon	arnt the 160gb drives a different connector?
08:29:16	JdGordon	I thought the 80s were the largest you could use
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08:29:42	amiconn	The ones used in the iPod classic are. But maybe there's now another 160GB drive with zif or such
08:29:53	amiconn	120GB are definitely available as zif
08:30:07	LinusN	there are 100GB zif drives, at least
08:30:17	scorche\|sh	there are 160GB zif drives iirc...just not widely available
08:32:11	micr0c0sm	HS161JB
08:32:27	micr0c0sm	but the only seller is memory4less.com ... and they have bad resellerratings :(
08:33:05	amiconn	And if one needs even more than 160GB, but doesn't need extensive format support, an old archos with a 250GB drive would also be an option...
08:33:57	scorche\|sh	the HS161JB is even in our wiki...
08:35:09	scorche\|sh	http://www.samsung.com/global/business/hdd/productmodel.do?group=72&type=60&subtype=68&model_cd=344&tab=fea
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08:48:37	micr0c0sm	wow I can't find any place that has it...
08:52:48	cool_walking_	Let me know if you do.
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09:07:19	pixelma	reading logs, there used to be "voice" links on http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml . Is it simply missing after the server crash or what did happen to it?
09:08:38	B4gder	I'll look into it
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09:19:43	livindaylight	can someone help me understand how to install rockbox on iAudio X5?
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09:20:16	livindaylight	I've downloaded and dropped .rockbox into iAudio
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09:20:40	B4gder	read the manual?
09:20:42	pixelma	what instructions do you follow?
09:20:43	scorche\|sh	livindaylight: the manual has a nice bit on how to install
09:21:09	livindaylight	and 2. i need to download and drop RockboxUtility , the bootloader, into iAudio too?
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09:22:11	pixelma	the automated installation chapter in the manual isn't that nice about bootloader installtion on an X5
09:22:12	livindaylight	i've downloaded the manual and looked but its not clear enough
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09:22:33	livindaylight	pixelma: thank you, coz i don't think its clear enough for someone that doesn't know
09:22:50	scorche\|sh	livindaylight: so which part are you having issues with?
09:23:01	livindaylight	i also looked on youtube for installation how-to's and there are none for iAudio only iPlayer and Sansa
09:23:04	pixelma	livindaylight: read the "manual installation", especially about the bootloader and what you have to care about afterwards
09:23:40	livindaylight	i presume i've done the first part correctly in dropping .rockbox into the Root of iAudio
09:23:56	livindaylight	do i simply do the same with bootloader?
09:24:27	pixelma	you probably don't have to put the mentioned .bin file again as that should have been done by the RockboxUtility if you chose bootloader or full installation
09:24:28	livindaylight	i downloaded the bootloader to Desktop and untarred it; do i now drop it into iAudio?
09:24:55	livindaylight	do i just need one or the other?
09:25:02	livindaylight	or both?
09:27:27	livindaylight	?
09:27:38	pixelma	which "both" do you mean?
09:28:27	pixelma	and please read "installing the bootloader" carefully and don't rush it :)
09:28:29	livindaylight	there is .rockbox which i get from rockbox.org/currentbuild
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09:28:59	livindaylight	i'm sorry but the manual for iAudio is supposed to be a clear walk through installation guide for noobs?
09:29:28	livindaylight	there is basically 1 page (pg.11) on the pdf manual i downloaded and its not clear to me otherwise i wouldn't ask
09:29:39	pixelma	yes, you need the .rockbox (referred to as "firmware" in the manual) and the bootloader file
09:29:54	livindaylight	right, so i need both
09:30:32	livindaylight	so, ive got the firmware (.rockbox) and now need Rockbox Utility (bootloader)
09:30:57	livindaylight	so, i'm not clear what i do with the bootloader having downloaded it to Desktop and untarred it
09:30:58	pixelma	as I said, the installation in the X5's manual aren't that clear on it, we're awaere
09:31:03	pixelma	*aware
09:31:17	livindaylight	fine, so, please don't keep referring me to it :)
09:31:52	pixelma	the RockboxUtility is not the bootloader but an utility which could help you installing it
09:32:05	livindaylight	would be nice if somone did a howto on youtube for iAudio... there are lots for iPlayer of course
09:33:07	livindaylight	rbutilqt-v1.0.6
09:33:22	pixelma	well, there are two parts about the installation in the manual - the one that deals with "manual" installation has info which I think is important and could help you understand what you need to do. It's just not well ordered
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09:33:25	livindaylight	what do i do with this?
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09:34:08	livindaylight	do i drop rbutilqt-v1.0.6 into iAudio?
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09:34:45	livindaylight	and then it will automatically detect and install rockbox when i unmount iAudio and switch it on?
09:35:54	B4gder	rbutil is a PC utility
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09:38:28	livindaylight	i click on rockbox.org. −−>Manual
09:39:02	livindaylight	to to iAudio X5 −−> click on Online and −−>automatic installation
09:39:14	livindaylight	download bootloader and untarr
09:40:10	livindaylight	then i drop rbutilqt-v1.0.6 into Firmware?
09:40:34	livindaylight	common guys... if it is so simple why can't someone tell me?
09:40:50	B4gder	rbutil is a PC utility
09:40:56	B4gder	you run it
09:41:03	B4gder	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility
09:41:07	livindaylight	scorch\|sh and pixelma have given up on me? :(
09:41:30	B4gder	installing on X5 is just unzipping rockbox and putting the bootloader in the correct dir and then reboot the player
09:41:33	pixelma	rbutilqt is not the bootloader, as B4gder said it's a PC utility that can help you install it though
09:41:49	B4gder	(with power cable attached)
09:42:44	livindaylight	B4gder: i've been to that page RockboxUtility and downlaoded as i said to Desktop and untared it... then i have a folder on my Desktop called rbutilqt-v1.0.6
09:43:15	livindaylight	i don't put ALL of it in Firmware folder?
09:43:22	*	B4gder sighs
09:43:36	livindaylight	http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-iaudiox5/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-60002
09:43:45	B4gder	rbutil is the installation tool
09:43:45	livindaylight	sorry
09:43:48	B4gder	it's _not_ rockbox
09:43:54	B4gder	it _installs_ rockbox for you
09:44:05	livindaylight	yes, i understand that
09:44:23	livindaylight	i've got the firmware .rockbox already
09:44:44	livindaylight	my question was what i do with rbtutilqt-v1.0.6
09:44:51	B4gder	run the executable
09:44:58	livindaylight	it seems i drop it in the Firmware folder
09:45:04	B4gder	no
09:45:11	B4gder	why would you do that?
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09:45:24	livindaylight	http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-iaudiox5/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-60002 it says to do that here
09:45:26	B4gder	it's the PC installer tool, why put that there?
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09:45:53	livindaylight	Copy it to the FIRMWARE directory on your player.
09:46:00	livindaylight	??
09:46:29	B4gder	it doesn't say that at all
09:46:32	pixelma	but not the utility... don't mix up the 2 installation methods and read slowly... ;)
09:46:45	livindaylight	i've just copy and pasted what it says
09:46:58	B4gder	no, you mixed up two separate sections
09:47:25	B4gder	rbutil is for the automated install approach
09:47:34	B4gder	the copying to firmware is in the manual install
09:48:03	livindaylight	but that is what i want - the automated install approach
09:48:11	B4gder	then run rbutil
09:48:14	livindaylight	right
09:48:15	pixelma	oh hah, seems the report in the forums was right - when starting RBUtil it complains about "Host www.rockbox.org not found"
09:48:21	livindaylight	HOW? :)
09:48:45	B4gder	livindaylight: it's an executable. double-click it or similar?
09:48:51	scorche\|sh	livindaylight: double click on the .exe?
09:48:58	livindaylight	i'm in Linux
09:49:04	pixelma	it probably won't work currently
09:49:12	scorche\|sh	then download the linux executable
09:49:24	pixelma	at least it wouldn't for me :\
09:49:25	B4gder	pixelma: but the site works fine for you?
09:49:33	pixelma	yes
09:49:33	livindaylight	i run the executable from inside Linux?
09:49:50	B4gder	the its not any effects from my DNS fiddlings at least
09:50:10	B4gder	livindaylight: yes
09:50:15	livindaylight	ok, i've started the executable :)
09:50:34	livindaylight	before i continue... do i have to have dropped .rockbox (firmware) into my iAudio ?
09:50:41	B4gder	no
09:50:41	livindaylight	and if so, WHERE?
09:50:46	livindaylight	no?!
09:50:49	B4gder	rbutil
09:50:58	livindaylight	ok, i need to take it out of iAudio then
09:51:06	livindaylight	rbutil does everything?
09:51:33	B4gder	read the wiki page
09:51:36	B4gder	or the manual
09:51:43	B4gder	it describes rbutil clearly
09:53:16	livindaylight	I keep getting Configuration Error when i click 'OK' having selected my player
09:54:06	livindaylight	i'm ok now
09:55:21	livindaylight	had to point the path to /mnt/iAudio (or whatever)
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09:56:36	livindaylight	For the Theme installation part... do you select ALL or ?
09:56:50	livindaylight	does it take much space if i select ALL themes?
09:57:04	livindaylight	is there one theme which is the best?
09:57:11	livindaylight	(read popular)
09:57:12	*	B4gder uses the default
09:57:35	scorche\|sh	livindaylight: there isnt a need to instal any of those and the "best" is a subjective matter
09:57:37	cool_walking_	I think downloading themes from RbUtil is broken
09:57:50	cool_walking_	Doesn't it use rockbox-themes.org?
09:58:16	scorche\|sh	yes
09:58:18	pixelma	you can skip that for now, most of those you could additionally download from there are probably broken anyways. But Rockbox already comes with a selection preinstalled
09:58:50	B4gder	and its very easy to add themes later on anyway
09:58:55	livindaylight	Autobot Glass is default?
09:59:01	cool_walking_	But no, it doesn't take much space. Themes are kilobytes in size.
09:59:03	scorche\|sh	....no?
09:59:20	livindaylight	its the first one on the list... it doesn't suggest any 'default' theme
09:59:21	scorche\|sh	cool_walking_: images, however, can be a bit of space..
09:59:33	scorche\|sh	livindaylight: dont worry about it and just skip it
09:59:58	livindaylight	there is no 'skip' button... hit Cancel?
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10:00:11	livindaylight	wouldn't Cancel cancel installation?
10:00:48	livindaylight	i'm just going to select Zenpod
10:01:41	livindaylight	i think i'm done? unmount and start iAudio?
10:03:37	livindaylight	oops, i still have the old iAudio firmware?
10:04:42	livindaylight	Rockbox didn't install
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10:06:31	pixelma	livindaylight: the RBUtil says what you have to do afterwards but I'm not sure if it works correctly currently
10:06:55	livindaylight	pixelma: where?
10:07:29	livindaylight	i've tried to reinstall but it confirms that it is already installed... yet, when i start iAudo up i get the old iAuido firmware
10:09:34	pixelma	you need to start the X5 in a special way for the first (bootloader) installation, the "howto" was in the bootloader installation successfull" dialog for me
10:10:05	livindaylight	hrmm... missed that
10:10:32	livindaylight	maybe reinstall and see if i notice any how to on first time startup in rockbox
10:10:39	pixelma	B4gder already told that earlier and it is in the end of the manual installation, installing the bootloader in the Manual
10:11:54	*	GodEater notices this post from a brave soul in the forums : http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=18296.0#
10:12:38	pixelma	nice, RBUtil puts the m5_fw.bin into C: for me though...
10:12:47	livindaylight	Turn the player off, remove the USB cable and insert the charger. The Rockbox bootloader will automatically be flashed.??
10:13:49	pixelma	yes, but before you do that - could you check whether you have a FIRMWARE folder with a .bin file in it in the root of your X5
10:14:12	livindaylight	LOL, i have Rockbox
10:14:30	pixelma	ok then
10:14:48	livindaylight	THANKS GUYS
10:15:33	livindaylight	i unmounted and started up but had to put it back in its cradle for firmware to be updated (for whatever reason)
10:15:51	B4gder	the instruction said you needed to
10:16:16	pixelma	btw. this is the same method the original firmware uses if you wanted to upgrade that
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10:17:40	livindaylight	should all the previous music on the player still be available?
10:18:04	livindaylight	i can see the music folders but when i hit 'play' it says 'nothing to resume' ?
10:18:29	linuxstb	What is there to resume? It's the first time you've used Rockbox.
10:18:33	GodEater	I think now would be a good idea to read the rest of the manual
10:18:38	linuxstb	Go into "Files" or "Database"
10:19:11	livindaylight	i went into Files > Music>Album
10:19:25	livindaylight	<album_name> (rather)
10:19:36	linuxstb	Then press the "select" button on a track
10:19:42	livindaylight	but ok, maybe i read the manual from here before asking further questions
10:19:44	linuxstb	But as GodEater said, we have a fine manual
10:20:02	livindaylight	i won't panic yet :)
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11:27:00	livindaylight	by the way do any of you own Bose headphones? are they good?
11:32:39	linuxstb	livindaylight: For "by the way" conversations, join #rockbox-community
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11:35:18	livindaylight	oh, ok, sorry
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11:37:11	mcuelenaere	wpyh (logs): according to http://google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fbbs.imp3.net%2Fviewthread.php%3Faction%3Dprintable%26tid%3D415099&hl=en&ie=UTF8&sl=zh-CN&tl=en (scroll to 08.03.16; it's a serial read out from a booting ainol v2000se) the CCPMP.bin file should contain a checksum. have you seen any?
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11:38:03	GodEater	Christ, that new contributor to the RockboxPlayerV1 thread doesn't want much does he ?
11:38:47	scorche\|sh	GodEater: yes...i already started a bit of mocking (not him) in -community...
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11:43:12	B4gder	that thread is just going in a loop
11:43:28	B4gder	since nobody is actually doing any development it'll remain so too
11:43:54	scorche\|sh	B4gder: but he successfully flashed the LED!!
11:44:03	B4gder	haha
11:44:29	B4gder	you mean the led code that Atmel probably provide as an example? B-]
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11:45:00	*	B4gder is being a bit mean
11:45:05	scorche\|sh	B4gder: but it worked!
11:45:21	GodEater	RB is imminent!!!
11:45:43	B4gder	but really, it's not entirely casainho's fault, it just proves that not a lot of people are really interested in building their own rockbox player
11:46:30	GodEater	indeed not
11:48:01	scorche\|sh	...or working with casainho
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11:49:06	B4gder	well that is true too, but if there were many people interested things would've turned differently
11:51:44	scorche\|sh	wonder what happened to that "prototypeB" person
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11:59:49	PaulJam	LinusN: can you tell me what revision broke the H300 bootloader?
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13:24:53	LinusN	PaulJam: it broke when i refactored the code to separate the h300 and h100 bootloaders into iriver_h300.c
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13:50:54	robin0800	gevaerts,todays good news, I now get a panic stack overflow (0) in rockbox
13:51:41	gevaerts	While doing what?
13:54:09	robin0800	gevaerts, trying usb stack on a rear usb port, after copying fails, reset the c200 then it crashes
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13:58:20	gevaerts	"reset the c200"? You mean it wasn't connected at that point?
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14:03:11	robin0800	gevaerts,yes it was it was on reconection
14:04:52	robin0800	gevaerts,coy fails,reset sansa, dissconect, boot rockbox and reconnect
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14:34:49	mcuelenaere	anyone opposed to FS #9308 ?
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14:49:06	LinusN	gevaerts: probably the filesystem mount that chokes on the corrupt file system
14:49:22	gevaerts	could be...
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15:06:16	gevaerts	robin0800: can you check the filesystem again with chkdsk, just to make sure
15:06:17	gevaerts	?
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15:29:23	*	GodEater wonders why his topic redirect to the New Ports forum was removed
15:29:53	GodEater	although I suppose the guy posting to it already spotted it had moved =/
15:29:58	Llorean	That was why
15:30:17	Llorean	If we left all the redirects in the "Unsupported Builds" forum around it'd be about 3 pages right now
15:30:45	GodEater	ah
15:30:46	Llorean	So I tend to remove them either "after a while" or after I'm sure the original poster knows the thread is somewhere else, rather than removed.
15:30:54	GodEater	ok
15:31:05	GodEater	I'll do it myself in future then when I know the OP has spotted the move
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16:07:38	Zambezi	I got a crazy idea now. My iPod Mini 2gen is about three years old. I'm going to replace the harddrive with CF-card. That will enchance the batterytime, but I might buy a battery with better performance, changing to Rockbox and get a wonderful time. :-)
16:08:18	LambdaCalculus37	That's not crazy. We all do things like that. ;)
16:08:39	*	LambdaCalculus37 directs Zambezi to http://www.ifixit.com for a battery
16:08:49	domonoky	Zambezi: you may want to take a look at: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CFModGuide :-)
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16:10:43	Zambezi	domonoky: Done already. I have a compatible CF-card.
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16:21:21	Zambezi	This battery would be something. This and CF-card would be lovely. http://tinyurl.com/68m4mg
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16:30:08	Zambezi	Me too, but I have to see. I want to read a trustable review before.
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17:11:47	beta2k	Are Gigabeat hard drives really pcmcia?
17:12:29	LambdaCalculus37	beta2k: Only on the F IIRC.
17:12:50	beta2k	So can I put it in a laptop pcmcia slot?
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17:14:56	LambdaCalculus37	I don't know if you can, though.
17:15:07	LambdaCalculus37	The pinout may be different (but I'm not sure).
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17:19:53	beta2k	Hum
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17:21:00	beta2k	Next question..
17:21:09	beta2k	Do you know anything about the USB interface on the F?
17:21:42	BigBambi	beta2k: markun is the resident F expert
17:21:47	gevaerts	Which one?
17:21:50	LambdaCalculus37	beta2k: Only that until I get my Gigabeat F tonight, I haven't a damn clue. ;)
17:22:09	BigBambi	beta2k: But what about it?
17:23:59	*	gevaerts points out that the F has two USB interfaces
17:24:53	*	BigBambi has made the assumption we are not talking about OTG
17:25:14	gevaerts	Indeed, as neither of those two actually is OTG ;)
17:25:22	BigBambi	Alright, host
17:25:32	BigBambi	You know what I mean :)
17:26:03	*	gevaerts does now ;)
17:26:16	gevaerts	However, I still don't know what beta2k means
17:26:34	beta2k	Well mine doesn't detect properly
17:26:46	BigBambi	Your what doesn't detect what?
17:26:57	beta2k	Acording to dmesg it won't accept the address it's being given
17:27:11	BigBambi	works fine here
17:27:21	gevaerts	Have you tried different cables?
17:27:28	beta2k	My other F works fine
17:27:33	LambdaCalculus37	beta2k: Wait, let me see if I get this straight... you're telling us that your PC isn't picking up on this F?
17:27:41	beta2k	Yes
17:27:47	beta2k	Just this one
17:27:58	gevaerts	Does the player go to usb mode?
17:28:02	beta2k	I bought it off ebay knowing that it didn't detect properly
17:28:05	*	LambdaCalculus37 thinks that this sounds strangely familiar to the problems his girlfriend is having with her X
17:28:16	beta2k	I only really wanted it for it's LCD
17:28:24	beta2k	That and it's a 20gig and mine is a 10gig
17:28:33	*	LambdaCalculus37 hands beta2k a bunch of tools
17:28:38	gevaerts	You can swap the drives
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17:28:57	beta2k	I'm just wondering why it doesn't work, not sure if it's the ATAPI bridge or something else
17:29:09	gevaerts	And while it's open, have a look at the usb connector. Maybe it got loose
17:29:11	LambdaCalculus37	beta2k: Maybe. Or maybe something else in the F is toasted.
17:30:03	LambdaCalculus37	Then that's not what's wrong with my girlfriend's X. Hers just doesn't seem to mount on her laptop, yet it worked just fine on my PowerBook.
17:30:12	beta2k	Weird
17:30:25	beta2k	I've tried this in Linux and Windows, same result in both
17:31:00	gevaerts	not accepting an address usually means not responding at all to traffic
17:31:03	LambdaCalculus37	She's running Xubuntu 7.10, and dmesg shows it trying to establish a connection and failing with a timeout.
17:31:19	beta2k	So I thought if I could get it working I'd have a 10gig battery powered portable HD :)
17:31:28	LambdaCalculus37	My PB picked up on the X right away and mounted it.
17:31:40	beta2k	I'll try it in the mac then
17:32:01	LambdaCalculus37	beta2k: Does this happen both within RB and in Bootloader USB mode?
17:32:09	beta2k	gevaerts: Is the USB handled in software or totally by the Cyrus bridge?
17:32:21	beta2k	Yes
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17:32:46	gevaerts	beta2k: as far as I know the only software involved is the handover to the bridge
17:32:58	micr0c0sm	looks like even samsung is confused about thier 160gb model...it's not in their inventory even though its online...
17:33:24	beta2k	I assume the mass storage is done by the cyrus bridge and that the OF's WMP interface is done in software
17:34:53	*	gevaerts doesn't know
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17:46:13	beta2k	Can you put a CF card into a F?
17:48:11	LambdaCalculus37	Yes, with an adapter.
17:49:40	beta2k	Hum, so I guess a CF-PCMCIA adaptor won't work for the HD?
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18:00:48	amiconn	beta2k, LambdaCalculus37: None of our 1.8" targets use the pcmcia connector variant
18:01:22	LambdaCalculus37	amiconn: Ahh.
18:01:36	amiconn	The older ones (ipod G1..G4, Color, irivers, iaudios, gigabeat F) use 50-pin ata
18:01:51	amiconn	The newer ones (ipod G5, gigabeat X, S) use zif
18:02:02	amiconn	Not sure about the zen vision thingies
18:02:40	LambdaCalculus37	amiconn: The ZVM is ZIF.
18:02:41	mcuelenaere	amiconn: ZVM uses ZIF and 1,8" ATA standard interface
18:02:57	*	LambdaCalculus37 leaves it to the man who owns a ZVM ;)
18:03:01	mcuelenaere	:)
18:03:04	amiconn	Other than those 2 mentioned connector types for 1.8" hdds, there are at least 3 others: 44-pin ata (like 2.5" hdd, on the long side), pcmcia (68-pin), and ce-ata
18:03:22	LambdaCalculus37	amiconn: Yes, 44-pin ATA is in the Dell DJ and Rio Karma.
18:03:38	LambdaCalculus37	And we know that CE-ATA is used on the 160GB iPod Classic.
18:04:47	amiconn	Oh, and ce-ata comes in 2 variants: 12pin and 18pin iirc
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18:12:19	beta2k	amiconn: So is the 50-pin the same pinout as a CF?
18:30:23	amiconn	no
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18:31:42	amiconn	They're very different
18:33:25	beta2k	Crud
18:35:00	beta2k	Crud
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18:46:08	*	pixelma spots an RBUtil developer around
18:46:19	pixelma	domonoky: hi :)
18:46:31	*	domonoky waves. :-)
18:47:32	pixelma	I tried the 1.0.6 Windows executable from the wiki with my M5 today and it tried to copy the m5_fw.bin to the root of my PC's HD
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18:49:53	domonoky	and you are sure the mountpoint was set correctly ?
18:49:57	pixelma	both with bootloader and complete installation, the only thing was that the bootloader on my M5 is up to date which RBUtil detected and asked me if I wanted to install anyway (and I chose "yes")... autodetection also worked, but I also tried chosing the player manually
18:50:43	tuma	Hello! bertrik, you were trying to reproduce my bug (FS #9286) .. any new ideas?
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18:52:33	bertrik	tuma I am a bit curious about the "nothing to resume" message I get at startup with your config
18:52:52	pixelma	start screen set to WPS?
18:53:06	domonoky	pixelma: sounds strange.. the code should copy the file to mountpoint / FIRMWARE /...
18:53:55	tuma	bertrik: hmm.. I'm a bit new to Rockbox. I have "Resume on startup" feature switched on... I don't know how that behaves first time after switching it on
18:54:41	amiconn	Resume on startup? What rockbox version are you running?
18:54:54	tuma	almost latest
18:55:01	tuma	wait a minute, i check the correct term. :)
18:55:09	LambdaCalculus37	tuma: System > Rockbox Info.
18:55:18	LambdaCalculus37	The revision number starts with an r.
18:55:22	tuma	r18327
18:56:06	tuma	I mean Start Screen setting is set to "Resume playback"
18:56:10	pixelma	start screen > resume playback, I guess. And then it splashes "Nothing to resume" if there's nothing to resume
18:56:47	tuma	pixelma: yes
18:57:15	pixelma	domonoky: any ideas what I could test? Maybe I'm doing something wrong but I tried a few times
18:57:19	bertrik	I can imagine that the recording hang is related to switching from WPS to recording, which may be a difference between our setups because I don't have a song to resume
18:58:16	tuma	bertrik: yes, and I also have custom WPS
18:58:30	tuma	bertrik: if that's relevant..
18:58:54	domonoky	pixelma: try setting the mountpoint to another drive (and create a FIRMWARE dir there). And check if it then also copys to the wrong place..
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18:59:19	bertrik	tuma, possibly
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18:59:34	tuma	bertrik: my wps is a little bit modified version of parilis theme
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19:02:34	fml	Hello. Where can I get the assembler code of sansa v2 firmware? There are firmwares available but how can I get readable code?
19:03:10	pixelma	domonoky: aha, looks like it doesn't like if there is no FIRMWARE directory...
19:03:20	fml	Also: The stock firmware uses at least three different fonts (one normal, one for the item under the curstor, and another one for the elapsed/remaining time). Have the blocks containing the fonts been identified?
19:04:14	bertrik	if it's not on the forum topic or the wiki, then probably not
19:04:39	pixelma	domonoky: I now chose a currently connected external harddrive as destination only first and RBUtil still wanted to install something to C: after I created the FIRMWARE directory on the external one it worked correctly
19:05:09	domonoky	ah... will check the code :-)
19:05:11	pixelma	the existence of this directory on the player is not mandatory
19:05:34	pixelma	unless you want to flash a new bootloader of course :)
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19:06:22	bertrik	the sansav2firmware page has some weird text, looks like a description of a graphic
19:06:22	domonoky	so rbutil should create it, if it doesnt exist..
19:07:43	pixelma	I'd think so, at least it shouldn't try to install something to C: ...
19:10:25	pixelma	especially since it stops at "cannot write to" if I don't run it with administrative right
19:12:12	domonoky	yes, i am fixing... :-)
19:12:43	bertrik	tuma, does the problem still occur if you disable disable resume on startup, or when you switch to the default theme?
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19:14:07	tuma	bertrik: which of 3 problem do you want me to try first? maybe gain manipulation problem is easiest :P
19:14:36	bertrik	whatever is easiest to reproduce
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19:14:59	tuma	what was the name of default theme
19:15:08	tuma	cabbiev2?
19:15:11	bertrik	yes
19:16:01	bertrik	hmm, I've managed to make it hang here too, but I wasn't looking
19:16:59	domonoky	pixelma: its now fixed in SVN...
19:18:03	tuma	bertrik: Disk Full -bug appears with default theme.
19:18:52	pixelma	domonoky: thanks for the quick fix )
19:19:18	pixelma	eh... should have been :)
19:19:44	domonoky	pixelma: thanks for the bugreport :-)
19:20:08	bertrik	I can reproduce problem now too, it seems that deleting the recording directory helps a lot to reproduce it
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19:20:50	tuma	bertrik: I managed to reproduce the original bug (first one I reported) with default WPS
19:21:03	amiconn	eh?
19:21:15	amiconn	Rockbox should create the recording directory if it's missing
19:21:20	pixelma	no
19:21:27	tuma	bertrik: so it's not WPS dependent..
19:21:30	pixelma	it records to the root per default
19:21:43	amiconn	pixelma: Not if you've set another dir
19:22:13	pixelma	set another dir that is then missing?
19:22:49	pixelma	not impossible but I just didn't think of that possibility
19:22:54	amiconn	That could certainly happen. Set a dir, then delete it
19:23:36	amiconn	On hotswap targets it becomes even more complicated. Set a recording dir one the card, then try to record without the card inserted...
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19:24:20	bertrik	the recording directory does seem to get created automatically, and in this case it is on a micro SDHC card (that I keep inserted_
19:26:07	tuma	bertrik: if 1st bug isn't caused by WPS, I think you should be able to reproduce it
19:27:21	bertrik	I can reproduce a problem now with the default theme indeed (data abort at 9134)
19:27:33	tuma	bertrik: nice
19:28:08	tuma	bertrik: are you one of the developers?
19:28:51	fml	bertrik: I think one of the wiki plugins for displaying graphs got corrupted. This has been mentioned once but nobody cared.
19:28:58	bertrik	yes, since half a year or so
19:29:21	bertrik	but there's still large parts of the code I hardly know anything about
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19:30:10	fml	bertrik: do you have the asm code? Or do you know a place where I can get it?
19:32:23	tuma	bertrik: ok. are you going to try to fix that bug yourself?:P
19:33:08	*	bertrik looks around to find petur
19:34:49	bertrik	fml, no I don't have it and I'm not involved with the sansa v2's
19:35:22	bertrik	I vaguely remember you can disassemble a binary blob with arm-XXX-objdump -S but I can't remember the details
19:37:03	bertrik	fml, ah there's something on the wiki about it, see ObjdumpGuide
19:37:29	tuma	can you point me some Wiki page or tell briefly how do you debug rockbox
19:37:55	tuma	I have also programming knowledge and could possibly some time try to fix some bugs myself
19:38:34	tuma	(though don't have yet even compiled it myself)
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19:39:17	bertrik	I don't have a fixed procedure for it. Usually just getting a good reproduction recipe is half the work, looking through the source code and avoiding writing bugs in the first place ;)
19:39:47	tuma	so there's nothing like gdb or something :D
19:40:44	bertrik	there's been talk about writing a gdb stub that communicates over USB serial, just talk though
19:41:42	tuma	well, what about simulator? Probably most of the bugs can be reproduced with the simulator?
19:41:56	tuma	or am I wrong?
19:42:29	Llorean	tuma: The simulator is just a user interface simulator. Since your PC doesn't have the hardware the players do, and vice versa, anything hardware specific can't be reproduced there.
19:42:31	bertrik	ah yes, you can run the simulator but I think it can't catch really low-level bugs, also there's a framework for debugging messages
19:42:33	Llorean	It's not an emulator.
19:43:54	tuma	okay
19:44:11	bertrik	the data abort I got was inside find_handle
19:44:12	tuma	so debugging is way more difficult than with PC programs
19:44:35	bertrik	yes, way
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19:50:21	beta2k	If you program right, you won't have bugs :)
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19:51:33	gevaerts	beta2k: there is this small issue about not having specs sometimes :)
19:51:44	beta2k	Wuss
19:52:33	*	beta2k wonders how much more of this he can get away with before being shown the door :)
19:52:54	*	gevaerts will start taking beta2k seriously as soon as he has used his gigabeat disk with a pcmcia CF adapter ;)
19:53:05	beta2k	hahaha
19:53:09	*	bertrik is worried about the cached_handle in buffering.c
19:53:09	beta2k	Looked into that more
19:53:18	beta2k	I'm not going to try it :)
19:54:10	beta2k	I'd have better luck lifting and replacing the QFN ATA bridge then getting the HD to work in my laptop
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20:00:01	amiconn	On archos it's possible to use gdb (over serial) with a bit of soldering. Unfortunately this won't help for swcodec bugs...
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20:04:36	bertrik	petur, I can reproduce a problem (data abort) with recording now
20:04:49	petur	aha
20:06:10	Strife89	Hey, does anyone here know how the Sansa battery code is coming along? Does the current patch charge safely?
20:06:40	Strife89	My thanks to those who worked on the bug in USB corruption, by the way. :)
20:09:49	gevaerts	Strife89: thanks, but unfortunately it seems still not to be completely gone
20:10:24	Strife89	I see.
20:11:25	bertrik	now I got a data abort in update_counters from buffering.c while recording
20:12:17	Strife89	gevaerts (or anyone who can answer): How about the battery? I'm not about to pull up my browser in the middle of a distro upgrade.....
20:12:50	gevaerts	Strife89: (a) you need bertrik for that, and (b) you need a distro where that is not a problem ;)
20:13:11	Strife89	Ubuntu is my distro.
20:13:21	Strife89	I'm sure it's safe
20:13:37	Strife89	−−but on my system it would be unbearably slow.
20:14:06	Strife89	My CPU is constantly in the 90-100% usage range right now.
20:14:37	*	gevaerts would actually recommend #rockbox-community and apologizes for starting about this here
20:17:24	Strife89	!bertrick
20:18:31	tuma	bye for now... good luck with bughunting
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20:24:42	bertrik	Strife89, yes I think it's safe to charge for the reasons mentions in the flyspray comment
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20:25:18	Strife89	bertrik: Alright, thank you.
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20:31:29	desowin	gevaerts: oh yea, it's the printer itself, with different usb cable files appear to get corrupted as well
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20:35:33	saratoga	i modified the mp3 decoder to run the synthesis filterbank on the COP, which sort of works in playback, but freezes hard when I try to run test_codec
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20:37:01	saratoga	what is the difference between the test codec and normal playback? something about how threads work?
20:37:16	bertrik	oh, that's really cool. Do you see a reduction in average boost percentage already?
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20:38:18	saratoga	bertrik: I didn't check boost since the codec seems to halt every so often, probably due to bad logic in my threading
20:39:00	saratoga	but once debugged it should easily run unboosted
20:39:47	bertrik	rockbox 3.1 is going to rock :/
20:40:15	LambdaCalculus37	bertrik: The next release after that will be called "Rockbox 3.11 for Workgroups". :P
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20:41:46	saratoga	the design of libmad is very fortunate, the synthesis filter uses exactly 50% of the CPU time, is completely independent of the rest of the codec, and communicates entirely via IRAM
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20:52:13	amiconn	saratoga: If you already suspect a threading problem, that's probably what makes it freeze in test_codec
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20:54:55	amiconn	I'd expect that jhMikeS tried his dual core spc codec on test_codec
20:56:03	saratoga	amiconn: it doesn't freeze in playback, but occasionally glitches, so I assumed the threads were being lock stepped, but if test_codec works normally with threads, then it must be a problem in my code
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20:56:34	saratoga	i'll read through spc to see how he did it
20:59:17	saratoga	amiconn: on an unrelated note, what is the sense of using "IDATA_ATTR CACHEALIGN_ATTR" when declaring something
20:59:26	saratoga	isn't IRAM uncached anyway?
20:59:33	amiconn	It might be better to run a whole codec on the cop. This would still leave stuff for the cpu: dsp (tone control, eq, stereo width, resampler), and buffering
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21:00:27	amiconn	And since it has less things to do, this might save more battery due to faster buffering (on hdd targets). It would also free some cpu power for a better resampler
21:00:35	saratoga	amiconn: thats also on my todo list
21:00:51	amiconn	Oh, and UI of course
21:00:59	saratoga	i'm not sure if this is worth committing, mostly i want to use it to verify my measurements
21:01:16	amiconn	Yeah, certainly an interesting experiment
21:01:39	saratoga	I have looked into running the codec thread on the COP
21:01:50	amiconn	I'm not sure regarding your attribute combination question - jhMikeS should know
21:02:19	saratoga	the codecs themselvecs use little in the way of shared data, but they call a lot of the buffering functions directly, and those touch a lot of things
21:02:45	amiconn	Maybe the memory controller accesses whole lines, so that writing from both cores to locations within the same line at the same time causes problems
21:03:10	saratoga	that would make sense
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21:47:03	rasher	I do wish for some sort of gui for handling Rockbox translations.
21:47:40	Llorean	rasher: Maybe if RBUtil ever gets those plugins that have been talked about.
21:47:42	amiconn	gevaerts: A qt gui app doesn't need the flexibility that rockbox needs for translation
21:48:02	amiconn	rasher: What's your translation page written in?
21:48:12	bluebrother	hacking up a Qt app for translating shouldn't be too hard. The only problem is that someone needs the time to do it ;-)
21:48:19	rasher	amiconn: php. It's not terribly pretty
21:48:56	linuxstb	bluebrother: I would prefer rasher's web-based interface. Or is there things you could do in Qt that you couldn't do on the web?
21:49:12	gevaerts	amiconn: it's not the flexibility that makes the difference, but just the ease of use. You have shortcuts to jump to the next work-needing string, you ust press tab to go to the next bit of work, things like that
21:49:16	saratoga	if I init a semaphore to 1, does that mean there is 1 unit of that resource available (and thus the first call to sem_wait will go right through)?
21:49:51	bluebrother	linuxstb: well, for example suggestions. You could do that with AJAX, but I'm not sure if that would be easier than doing it with Qt.
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21:50:28	amiconn	gevaerts: Afaik (that is, if genlang still does that with langv2), genlang inserts specially formatted comments for strings needing attention
21:50:41	bluebrother	but I don't see a strong need for a translation tool to be Qt based. Web based is fine too (though you can't use it without a net connection, like when travelling)
21:50:53	amiconn	So you can use the 'search next' function in your editor of choice....
21:51:16	rasher	amiconn: but that doesn't put you at the point where you need to translate, just at the top of the phrase
21:51:31	gevaerts	amiconn: sure, but then my last search term suddenly is another string that I wanted to quickly look at...
21:51:37	rasher	bluebrother: Also, you can't save the state of the web based tool
21:52:10	linuxstb	rasher: You _could_ save it though, it's just that you haven't implemented it...
21:52:15	bluebrother	true. Still, I'm barely finding time for rbutil, so I won't start a Qt based one.
21:52:36	amiconn	rasher: I don't see the problem here. You need to check the whole phrase (english text, description, and old translation/voice string if that exists) in order to do a proper translation anyway
21:53:12	gevaerts	rasher: can you edit existing translations with your website?
21:53:16	amiconn	If you don't do this, you'll quickly end up with something that's in a certain language, but not a usable translation
21:53:24	rasher	amiconn: but you don't have to move your cursor over them. Cursor movement accounts for a lot of my time spent when translating manually
21:53:28	*	amiconn knows plenty of examples for this....
21:53:46	mcuelenaere	wpyh (logs): a reminder from your TODO list: when you contact your friend/Ingenic ex-employee, don't forget to ask him out about the Jz4740 MIPS core aka JzRISC
21:54:54	rasher	Being able to quickly tab to the next place I need to input would be nice.
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21:55:58	gevaerts	amiconn: have you ever run qtlinguist on e.g. the rbutil translations? You get the source string, the translation, suggestions, (possibly) comments, and the source code where the string is used. And then you get quick navigation support
21:57:18	amiconn	No, I didn't. Never dealt with qt stuff other than as a plain user
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21:58:04	gevaerts	It doesn't fit the rockbox need (voice,...) so we can't use it as-is, but it _is_ a nice way to work with translations
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22:06:32	*	gevaerts has a rbutil feature request :)
22:07:37	bluebrother	translator plugin?
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22:07:44	gevaerts	How did you guess?
22:08:16	*	bluebrother whistles
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22:10:12	domonoky	gevaerts: you could add it to the RockboxUtilityDevelopment wiki page...
22:10:47	bluebrother	but a plugin architecture would be nice −− that way the core rbutil could still concentrate on installation stuff
22:11:30	bluebrother	hopefully that would also make it easier to maintain.
22:11:40	domonoky	it isnt hard to use Qts plugin API, you just need to decide how the API should look like...
22:12:06	bluebrother	yep, and I bet this is rather the hard part ;-)
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22:12:43	*	amiconn only hopes that rbutil will never become mandatory for any rockbox feature
22:12:55	*	bluebrother wouldn't want that too
22:14:24	mcuelenaere	JdGordon\|afk, JdGordon (logs): what's your opinion about FS #9308 ?
22:14:31	gevaerts	domonoky: done
22:15:21	desowin	gevaerts: the problem with printer connected doesn't put any error in system log, but the file just have "repeated" part (file size is the same)
22:15:55	*	gevaerts would suggest to _only_ handle the actual editing in rbutil, and leave genlang as-is. That way there is no need forpeople to change their workflow if they don't want to
22:17:02	gevaerts	desowin: that's as expected. The corruption issue and the usb issues are very different (only the latter ones can get you system log messages), although they probably have similar causes (timing, cache effects...)
22:17:55	gevaerts	domonoky: at least done now. For some reason "Preview" and "Save" don't have the exact same effect
22:25:13	desowin	gevaerts: http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/2503/54062210ln6.png and http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/7883/10505179qg5.png
22:26:06	desowin	(the crazy file name is hexworkshop fault...)
22:26:48	gevaerts	desowin: I must say I don't really understand what these show
22:27:15	*	gevaerts sees now
22:27:22	gevaerts	Corruption in the FAT table?
22:27:45	desowin	well, I formatted it before copying
22:28:06	gevaerts	Sure, but copying manipulates the FAT
22:29:26	gevaerts	I mean, it looks like an entire block of data is at the wrong place. I've never seen that corruption pattern before, but it might be caused by the "standard" off-by-two corruption if it occurs in the FAT
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22:36:53	*	amiconn thinks that there's a problem with the pp sd bridge write timing
22:37:56	amiconn	I can't think of another reason why the speed of the write loop would influence the occurence of these corruptions in such an irregular way
22:39:10	amiconn	If the fifo is what the driver assumes, transfer speed shouldn't matter at all as long as we're not causing overruns
22:43:18	desowin	gevaerts: in different files it appears to be just different amount of replaced data
22:44:17	gevaerts	desowin: I'm not sure what you mean
22:45:19	desowin	in the screenshot there's 0x2000 bytes different, in other files the difference can be 0x1000 bytes or 0xE000
22:46:29	gevaerts	ok
22:47:30	desowin	and it freezes vista, but I think it's known issue
22:48:47	*	gevaerts doesn't know
22:54:22	desowin	btw. it's internal flash
22:54:40	desowin	(sorry, forgot to mention)
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23:43:29	rasher	Why does LANG_BATTERY_TIME have a separate string for h10,ipodmini,ipodmini2g?
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23:55:33	amiconn	rasher: Line length depending on lcd size
23:55:57	pixelma	is it h10 or h10_5gb ?
23:56:10	rasher	Aren't there other similarly-sized screens?
23:56:22	amiconn	Large LCDs show "Battery: <time>", smaller ones "Batt: <time>" and the smallest ones just the time
23:56:25	rasher	Also, WHY ISN'T THIS INT HE DESC LINE
23:56:43	pixelma	yeah, the c200 isn't that far off too
23:56:59	pixelma	I mean the display size of course
23:57:29	beta2k	Why are you yelling rasher ? :)
23:57:31	amiconn	Maybe it's not needed anymore with the list-based info screen (provided that the dreaded scrolling problem is fixed)
23:58:19	amiconn	rasher: Do you think that's necessary?
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23:58:54	amiconn	But in fact the split method is rather lame here. There's a high chance for new targets getting the wrong variant.
23:58:57	gevaerts	beta2k: that's the Angry Dane Title Case variant

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