| 00:00:15 | pixelma | it does currently |
| 00:00:39 | amiconn | yes, but probably it wasn't intended that way |
| 00:01:02 | amiconn | The H1x0 port existed well before the H10 port |
| 00:01:48 | pixelma | huh? What does this have to do with it? |
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| 00:11:19 | petur | pixelma: I tried the variations of 9276 and I'm going to commit your version of it - is that ok for you? |
| 00:15:04 | pixelma | hmm... and not up my commit count? ;) It's ok for me though, then it doesn't look like I'm just committing it because it's mine... and it's good to know someone else prefers it too :) |
| 00:16:48 | petur | I was just going over the tracker items I'm following to try to close some.... |
| 00:17:51 | BigBambi | pixelma: Nice choice of track/artist in the screenshot too :) |
| 00:19:02 | pixelma | :) |
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| 00:32:36 | gevaerts | rasher: good question. FS #8562 provides a place to put test patches, but we could just as well close it and open a new bug for the timing issues |
| 00:32:59 | rasher | I was under the impression that that's already happening in another task? |
| 00:33:18 | gevaerts | You mean FS #8663? That's the sd corruption bug |
| 00:33:53 | gevaerts | "timing issues" == "hub issues" |
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| 00:34:03 | rasher | Ah |
| 00:34:25 | rasher | I just noticed that 8562 hasn't had any activity since May, so I thought it was just forgotten |
| 00:35:05 | desowin | gevaerts: the bug I experienced is with internal flash |
| 00:35:14 | petur | Bagder: here? |
| 00:35:26 | gevaerts | desowin: internal flash is sd (except for the actual enclosure) |
| 00:35:34 | desowin | ah, ok |
| 00:36:18 | gevaerts | From the CPU's point of view, the sansas just have two sd card interfaces |
| 00:36:36 | petur | Bagder (for the logs): it would be nice to give logbot some functionality to let us kick the buildserver through it. |
| 00:37:56 | rasher | petur: I think it should be svn based instead |
| 00:38:24 | gevaerts | how? |
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| 00:38:33 | rasher | Commit a certain file, and magic happens |
| 00:38:53 | pixelma | petur: one file could have been deleted from the cabbiev2 image directory (in SVN) - wpsbackdrop-128x64x1.bmp is not needed at the moment. |
| 00:39:17 | petur | pixelma: oops, forgot that |
| 00:39:57 | gevaerts | rasher: that could be a good idea, as it handles the permissions issue cleanly. Maybe it should be in a different branch though |
| 00:40:22 | pixelma | petur: it's not that important, would just reduce download size of the source a bit. |
| 00:40:33 | petur | done already |
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| 00:42:04 | petur | on the current build page it looks like all builds were done, so where is it hanging :/ |
| 00:42:54 | gevaerts | Aren't there quite a lot more builds than just those on the current build page? |
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| 00:43:35 | petur | ah yes |
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| 00:44:52 | EpicFail | hi appreciate it if someone can fix my problem: long story short, everytime i try to install rockbox, whether automatic or manual, my e270 freezes up on me |
| 00:45:38 | MXIIA | How many ways are there to turn on the iPod nano, what are they? |
| 00:45:42 | MXIIA | I think mine is broken :/ |
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| 00:46:44 | BigBambi | EpicFail: Freezes up how? |
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| 00:47:26 | BigBambi | And are you sure it isn't either a v2 (rockbox doesn't work on it) or a e270r (different install method)? |
| 00:47:31 | amiconn | rasher: Umm, those automated fixes have some bugs |
| 00:47:46 | rasher | amiconn: oh? |
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| 00:47:51 | EpicFail | i'm sure its a v1 cuz it came with v1 firmware when i first got |
| 00:48:12 | amiconn | E.g. it completely removes the voice string for LANG_REMOVE_MMC, while it should stay for the Ondios |
| 00:48:26 | EpicFail | pretty sure its not R version |
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| 00:49:08 | rasher | amiconn: But there was no voice string for ondio* |
| 00:49:36 | rasher | It removed a target (*) that shouldn't be there. |
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| 00:50:39 | amiconn | So it effectively didn't fix it. It replaced one bug with another |
| 00:51:10 | rasher | I never claimed it'd make it perfect, but it brought it more in line with english.lang |
| 00:52:42 | EpicFail | are there any known issues with rockbox installation on msc with vista? |
| 00:53:09 | BigBambi | <BigBambi> EpicFail: Freezes up how? |
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| 00:55:53 | EpicFail | ok what i've been repeatedly doing is formatting down to oldest OF firmware on my e270, going into msc mode and plugging in to laptop |
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| 00:56:17 | BigBambi | formatting down to the oldest? |
| 00:56:27 | notlistening | Hey all :) |
| 00:56:31 | BigBambi | Does the OF still work at this point, before any Rockbox stuff? |
| 00:56:39 | EpicFail | everything seems fine up to that point but once i try to use either rockbox utility or sansapatcher, my e270 goes from connected to disconnected and freezes up |
| 00:57:02 | BigBambi | Do you have administrator rights? |
| 00:57:20 | MXIIA | <MXIIA> How many ways are there to turn on the iPod nano, what are they? |
| 00:57:20 | MXIIA | <MXIIA> I think mine is broken :/ |
| 00:57:27 | EpicFail | yes and i've tried running both programs as administrator and using compatibility mode |
| 00:57:45 | gevaerts | MXIIA: one. Turn it on |
| 00:57:55 | BigBambi | I wasn't aware of any specific vista issues |
| 00:58:02 | notlistening | I am after wiki editing privaledges for the Sansa v2 wiki & to put a link to the V2 page on the new ports plz? |
| 00:58:09 | BigBambi | What is your wiki name? |
| 00:58:11 | MXIIA | It doesn't turn on, even when plugged in |
| 00:58:22 | MXIIA | I think it is broken, I dropped it on the carpet |
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| 00:58:29 | MXIIA | from 2 feet up |
| 00:58:29 | MXIIA | :/ |
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| 00:58:53 | EpicFail | well have there been any issues with msc mode and rockbox installation |
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| 00:59:02 | EpicFail | that seems to be the source of problem... |
| 00:59:09 | BigBambi | notlistening: We need to know your wiki name |
| 00:59:15 | notlistening | i think ThomasLloyd but not sure of the password as I can not login :( |
| 00:59:27 | BigBambi | EpicFail: You need msc mode to install Rockbox |
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| 00:59:43 | BigBambi | notlistening: I don't need the password, just the name :) |
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| 00:59:57 | EpicFail | yea i know but it just refuses to work... |
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| 01:00:15 | notlistening | lol but I do to login :) |
| 01:00:19 | EpicFail | should i try updating OF to newest version then try to install rockbox |
| 01:00:26 | BigBambi | notlistening: OK, promise not to spam now :) |
| 01:00:51 | notlistening | promise |
| 01:00:54 | BigBambi | EpicFail: As long as there is a MSC mode and it isn't the very newest it should be fine |
| 01:01:16 | BigBambi | (or the very newest issue might be for the c, I can't remember) |
| 01:01:18 | notlistening | just want to bring the forum information into the wiki |
| 01:01:21 | BigBambi | sure |
| 01:01:46 | BigBambi | EpicFail: Can you copy files on and off OK? |
| 01:02:11 | notlistening | tx will go and recover my password somehow, it is poss to reset it? |
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| 01:02:36 | BigBambi | notlistening: Don't know |
| 01:03:08 | notlistening | ok i'll try otherwise i have a mail address i used before |
| 01:03:42 | EpicFail | i would assume yes since recovery mode works fine when i drag and drop files to format |
| 01:04:55 | BigBambi | Not recovery mode, normal OF USB mode |
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| 01:05:15 | EpicFail | ok ill double check that |
| 01:05:17 | notlistening | just to confirm has my username been allowed for edit ? |
| 01:05:23 | BigBambi | yes |
| 01:05:56 | notlistening | thanks again see you all soon I'm sure ;) |
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| 01:12:10 | lurkapup | morena e hoa, is there a known battery life issue for 4g (or other) ipods? see a couple of people have mentioned battery life issues in the forum, but couldnt find anything solid |
| 01:12:30 | EpicFail | hmm just tried drag and drop a song into music folder in mtp mode; the file is physically on the player but not being registered when i go to play music |
| 01:13:55 | BigBambi | EpicFail: could you try running chkdsk on it? |
| 01:14:07 | EpicFail | ok |
| 01:14:12 | lurkapup | in appleOS mode the battery shows about 75%, in rockboxOS it will only run from 100% for a couple of minutes then shuts down cause of low battery |
| 01:14:21 | lurkapup | even when its connected to the charger |
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| 01:15:04 | Chronon | lurkapup, that's not normal. |
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| 01:17:10 | Chronon | lurkapup: How long does the Apple firmware last? |
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| 01:20:01 | Moonpup | sorry CHronon, dropped off - missed your reply if you made one |
| 01:20:19 | EpicFail | hmm well just tried to connect in msc mode and shows up disconnected on player but laptop is confirming the device... |
| 01:20:25 | * | Moonpup points at himself - aka lurkapup |
| 01:20:43 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 01:20:53 | advcomp2019 | Moonpup, you can look at the logs |
| 01:21:18 | Moonpup | on the pod? |
| 01:21:23 | EpicFail | fyi this has happened b4 on a few occasion, resulting in me formatting |
| 01:21:51 | gevaerts | EpicFail: please use real words |
| 01:21:56 | BigBambi | EpicFail: Unless you have a reliable MSC mode in the OF, you can't install Rockbox |
| 01:22:36 | advcomp2019 | Moonpup, #Rockbox is logged so you can see what Chronon said |
| 01:22:45 | Moonpup | ahhh, tah :) |
| 01:22:56 | EpicFail | ah I forgot to mention my unit is refurbished... so I'm not too surprised by these string of problems I've been getting |
| 01:23:00 | MXIIA | :( I think my iPod/RockBox is broken internally :'( |
| 01:23:20 | BigBambi | EpicFail: Could be, but I have a refurb e260 that has never had an issue |
| 01:23:29 | Moonpup | good grief, this chanel may be recorded for internal quality purposes ;) |
| 01:24:01 | EpicFail | well this experience has left a very sour impression on me and I don't even care to go through hassle to have it fixed |
| 01:24:15 | EpicFail | I'll contact froobi and hopefully try and get a refund.. -_- |
| 01:24:52 | EpicFail | thank you for the help bambi |
| 01:25:01 | BigBambi | No problem, good luck |
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| 01:27:15 | Moonpup | my apple firmware will run for most of the day - so say 7.30am and still good when I get home about 6pm - don't listen to it solid, but the battery still seems ok - I'm using it now and it's running fine |
| 01:28:30 | Chronon | Moonpup: We don't have any recent battery benchmarks for the 4g, but I would expect that you should get a significant fraction of that runtime in Rockbox. |
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| 01:30:09 | Chronon | Moonpup: You can see the runtime results people have gathered here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodRuntime |
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| 01:32:10 | Moonpup | thans chronon, I'll take a look .. I guess I know its not umm right, but tis more what do I do about it... might try reinstalling |
| 01:32:53 | BigBambi | reinstalling won't affect battery life |
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| 01:35:16 | Moonpup | mmm but there isnt anything wrong with my battery life .. there is something wrong with the way my install of rockbox is working/interacting with my pod... |
| 01:35:42 | Moonpup | I expected a little more drain, had that with podzilla |
| 01:35:48 | Moonpup | but not 3-4 min ;) |
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| 01:36:43 | Chronon | Moonpup: It's difficult to track something like this down if no one else can replicate this behavior. |
| 01:36:46 | Casainho | msg NickServ identify chave |
| 01:36:57 | Casainho | oops :-) |
| 01:37:06 | Moonpup | :) |
| 01:37:10 | Casainho | hello Rockbox people :-) |
| 01:37:23 | Moonpup | yeah, was hoping it was a common prob :/ |
| 01:37:25 | Casainho | I have a question about one ARM and SDRAM |
| 01:38:21 | Casainho | is that possible to load code to SDRAM and also use SDRAM for data memory? |
| 01:39:08 | gevaerts | Why wouldn't that be possible? |
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| 01:39:56 | Casainho | like at the begining of SDRAM put the ARM code and at some other free part of the SDRAM, use it for data? |
| 01:40:07 | Casainho | I am working in RockboxPlayer |
| 01:40:12 | Casainho | so, I have one makefile which says "-Ttext 0x20000000 -Tdata 0x200000" |
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| 01:40:33 | gevaerts | ARM is not Harvard architecture, so you can mix code and data however you like |
| 01:41:44 | Casainho | Ttex have the value of the beginning of SDRAM and Tdata the value of the beginning of internal SRAM, which s just 4kB.... - but I want to use the external SDRAM for data also... |
| 01:42:06 | gevaerts | Have a look into lds files |
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| 01:44:33 | Casainho | my SDRAM starts at 0x20000000 and ends at 0x23FFFFFF... so I tried to use on Tdata = 0x23000000 but the program don't work.... :-( −−- gevaerts, can't I change the values on make file? |
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| 01:44:57 | Casainho | I don't understand nothing of lds file.... |
| 01:45:03 | gevaerts | The makefile has nothing to do with this. I guess that this is an ld line? |
| 01:45:16 | * | gevaerts isn't very familiar with these things either |
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| 01:53:00 | Casainho | gevaerts: are you there? |
| 01:53:23 | gevaerts | for a bit, yes. It's getting late... |
| 01:54:47 | Casainho | Casainho>my SDRAM starts at 0x20000000 and ends at 0x23FFFFFF... so I tried to use on Tdata = 0x23000000 but the program don't work.... :-( −−- gevaerts, can't I change the values on make file? |
| 01:54:49 | Casainho | <Casainho>I don't understand nothing of lds file.... |
| 01:56:11 | gevaerts | As I said, I'm not too familiar with these things either. I guess you'll need to study the ld documentation |
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| 01:58:25 | Casainho | okok :-) −− reading the documentation about this code, looks like text is placed at beginning of SDRAM, right after are placed the .vectors section, right after the .data and finally the .bss section :-) |
| 01:58:42 | Casainho | okok - tank you :-) |
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| 02:26:22 | desowin | I think I can be sure about this - when I have my printer unplugged there's no corruption when using rockbox usb, when it's connected there's occassional corruption, it's crazy |
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| 02:30:41 | Casainho | hello again :-) −− I would like to know what resources are needed to make the kernel_init() function.... |
| 02:31:07 | Casainho | I want to code the Rockbox bootloader for an ARM9 |
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| 02:47:09 | reacocard | is there a way to remap the sim keys? I'm on a laptop so using the numpad keys is really awkward |
| 02:47:16 | mcuelenaere | Casainho: you'll need to set up a some interrupt handling code and link a timer to the tick increase function (+ other stuff) |
| 02:48:48 | Casainho | so, kernel just needs a timer to provide the tick increment? |
| 02:48:59 | Casainho | so, kernel just needs a timer to provide the tick increment?i |
| 02:49:08 | Casainho | sorry for bounce |
| 02:49:24 | mcuelenaere | yes and to run tick tasks |
| 02:49:42 | Casainho | I think on this ARM9, it have a programmable interrupt controller :-) |
| 02:49:43 | mcuelenaere | + you'll need to handle thread switching (but this is already done for ARM(9) targets) |
| 02:50:24 | mcuelenaere | you're better off looking to some other target's system_init() and mimicing it |
| 02:50:26 | Casainho | I am using the same ARM os MRobe500.... |
| 02:50:32 | mcuelenaere | and the Creative ZVM |
| 02:50:41 | mcuelenaere | but that doesn't mean much |
| 02:51:01 | mcuelenaere | mainly it's the SoC who handles the interrupt enabling/disabling/masking/etc |
| 02:51:12 | Casainho | ah, because it's a peripheral of MCU, I understand now |
| 02:51:36 | Casainho | okok - So I thnik |
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| 02:51:49 | Casainho | I think I will find answers reading the code |
| 02:52:41 | Casainho | about reading the firmware, I should first mount the partition, using the actual rockbox FAT32 driver? |
| 02:53:14 | Casainho | what is the load_raw_firmware()? what that does? |
| 02:53:34 | Casainho | search for some directory on FAT32 partition? |
| 02:54:53 | mcuelenaere | AFAIK yes |
| 02:55:12 | mcuelenaere | but you'll need to provide ata_read_sectors() & ata_write_sectors() for that too work |
| 02:57:11 | Casainho | ahm ok, I think I understand what ata drivers must do... - I will use SD card with SPI bus, I already have some drivers commented for SPI and there are a lot of projects with 8 bits MCUs that read data from SD card, using SPI :-) |
| 02:57:28 | Casainho | okok - I am done :-) |
| 02:57:32 | Casainho | tahnk you :-) |
| 02:57:59 | mcuelenaere | np |
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| 03:24:05 | thrashus | do the sansa mp3's use rockbox firmware and can i just write plugins for it so i can make the player run programs i write |
| 03:25:39 | Unhelpful | you can install rockbox as a replacement for vendor firmware on *some* sansa players |
| 03:26:39 | thrashus | ok so they don't actually use rockbox, this is a replacement |
| 03:26:54 | thrashus | so how do i get started writing plugins |
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| 03:27:56 | thrashus | is there a rockbox emulator for the pc that i can start playing with |
| 03:29:18 | thrashus | aditionaly are you allowed to sell these players with rockbox on it or the manufacturers not allow you to do that |
| 03:29:48 | Unhelpful | i'm not a lawyer, but i don't see any reason you couldn't resell a used player w/ rockbox installed |
| 03:31:11 | Llorean | thrashus: Remember that Rockbox is GPL licensed. If you sell a player with rockbox installed and your own plugin, you have to include the code for the plugin which they can legally give away for free if they want. |
| 03:31:30 | Unhelpful | there is that, as well |
| 03:31:50 | Unhelpful | for getting set up to develop for rockbox: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevelopmentGuide |
| 03:33:39 | thrashus | is there anyway aroung that license |
| 03:33:55 | Unhelpful | e-series sansas that can run rockbox are likely to *already* be used or refurb, also |
| 03:35:10 | thrashus | does rockbox offer any other licenses |
| 03:35:14 | Unhelpful | yes, don't use rockbox. |
| 03:36:01 | thrashus | i can't find any licensing information on rockbox |
| 03:36:58 | Llorean | thrashus: Rockbox is GPLv2 licensed. You'll find the license file in the docs folder, I believe |
| 03:37:04 | Llorean | GPLv2 or later, rather |
| 03:37:18 | Llorean | There is no way around the license if you wish to distribute Rockbox or code based off of Rockbox code. |
| 03:40:40 | thrashus | I know there is way around gpl if you wrap gpl stuff in one program it make that program gpl. but you have another program that uses that other program via IPC for example. so the second program doesn't have any gpl stuff in and is therefore proprietary but i don't think I could that here |
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| 03:43:00 | Unhelpful | and in a linux environment, that might be pretty easy to do. rockbox is not on full-blown operating system in that sense, it is designed for a specific purpose, and while it can load extension plugins, these don't have the same set of capabilities as a program on another operation sytem might expect to have. |
| 03:43:33 | thrashus | that is why i think it would be rather hard to do in this case |
| 03:44:00 | Llorean | It'd basically require you to rewrite a not-insignificant portion of Rockbox. |
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| 03:47:35 | thrashus | do you know of any other options, does rockbox have any other alternatives |
| 03:48:26 | Llorean | Not really. There's iPodLinux/Sansalinux, but that's really it. |
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| 03:54:37 | thrashus | it says sansalinux is using moded versions of rockbox driversa nad bootloaders |
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| 04:01:04 | Unhelpful | right, but it has a real userspace, where rockbox has a plugin API. and if you want to know more about sansalinux, here's not the place. |
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| 04:05:50 | Tatsh | if my ipod won't turn on now (did a full shutdown a few hours ago), should i get a new battery |
| 04:06:12 | Tatsh | i've tried the ipod reset instructions on apple's site |
| 04:06:15 | Tatsh | doesn't work ;/ |
| 04:17:11 | scorche|sh | Tatsh: do you happen to have an AC adapter? |
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| 04:21:51 | Tatsh | scorche no |
| 04:21:53 | Tatsh | well yes |
| 04:21:55 | Tatsh | but i can't find it |
| 04:22:00 | Tatsh | using usb right now |
| 04:22:03 | Tatsh | i ripped open the thing |
| 04:22:21 | Tatsh | still won't turn on; it's a nano and the battery is soldered so i can't just remove it and put it back |
| 04:25:31 | scorche|sh | Tatsh: leave it plugged into the USB port for around 36 hours or so |
| 04:25:39 | scorche|sh | this is a common issue with these devices |
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| 04:33:24 | Tatsh | wait really? |
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| 04:33:37 | Tatsh | 36 hours even though i get no video at all on the screen? |
| 04:33:43 | Llorean | Tatsh: Yes. |
| 04:33:45 | scorche|sh | yep |
| 04:33:52 | Tatsh | okay |
| 04:33:55 | Tatsh | i'm putting it back together now |
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| 04:34:04 | Tatsh | i'll try that before i send the guy on ebay a message to get an RMA |
| 04:34:39 | Toshibasuks | hey ive got a question, i have correctly installed rockbox on my toshiba s30 and i do not no where to put my music files? |
| 04:35:18 | Tatsh | anywhere at all |
| 04:35:21 | Toshibasuks | i can put them in the root but everytime it creates like 3 3GB files and then when i restrat my machine it says Panic! mount 0 |
| 04:35:26 | Tatsh | it's like an external hdd except you can play music on the go |
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| 04:35:35 | Tatsh | unlike how toshiba wants it; a music player only |
| 04:35:41 | Toshibasuks | yeh |
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| 04:39:32 | Unhelpful | how are you putting them there, that it's creating these 3GB files? i have an S60, and file transfer via USB MSC works fine (for rockbox, that is) |
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| 04:43:38 | Toshibasuks | sorry went away and missed everything, |
| 04:44:18 | Toshibasuks | when i put a music file in the root of my player it copies fine then when i restart my player it says Panic! mount 0 |
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| 04:53:54 | Tatsh | holy crap |
| 04:53:56 | Tatsh | it turns on |
| 04:54:03 | Tatsh | but i think the LCD is disconnected because there's no screen |
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| 05:10:38 | Unhelpful | surgery time? |
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| 05:48:26 | thrashus | so anything plugins i right for rockbox have to be gpl |
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| 05:51:54 | thrashus | wait plugins don't have to be gpl |
| 05:52:09 | thrashus | if i modify rockbox then it does have to be gpl |
| 05:52:27 | Llorean | Plugins are part of Rockbox. The way they work, they have to use part of Rockbox. |
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| 05:53:50 | thrashus | linux is gpl, does that mean every program written for linux is gpl |
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| 05:54:16 | Llorean | thrashus: Plugins aren't "programs written for Rockbox" |
| 05:54:38 | Llorean | Plugins are part of Rockbox that get swapped out of a specific part of memory so that they don't all have to be loaded at once. |
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| 06:00:48 | thrashus | what kind of code does the plugin use that make it gpl can you give me an example |
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| 06:02:16 | Llorean | thrashus: To be a plugin you must include the plugin API. Without it, your plugin will not work. |
| 06:02:20 | Llorean | The plugin API is GPL licensed. |
| 06:02:44 | scorche|sh | thrashus: is there a specific reason you wanted a non-GPL plugin? |
| 06:03:54 | thrashus | well i was going to make an application so i could sell to some companies |
| 06:04:47 | scorche|sh | the GPL does not restrict that |
| 06:05:44 | thrashus | i will have to distribute the source and they can distribute the binaries with out buying it |
| 06:07:00 | scorche|sh | of course |
| 06:07:50 | thrashus | I don't think thats a good business model |
| 06:08:43 | scorche|sh | then you would probably be better off forgetting about rockbox and writing your own firmware... |
| 06:09:45 | thrashus | well i am looking into uCLinux |
| 06:09:58 | beta2k | I don't think the licencing model of Rockbox would allow for a non-gpl plugin... |
| 06:10:16 | beta2k | As I understand GPL (and I don't really grasp it all) |
| 06:10:41 | Llorean | beta2k: The way the plugin model is now, no, you couldn't make a non-GPL plugin. |
| 06:10:44 | beta2k | Since your plugin would be required to include the plugin API to work, your code must also fall under GPL |
| 06:10:53 | thrashus | and ipodLinux SansaLinux which are based on uCLinux and use some rockbox |
| 06:10:58 | scorche|sh | thrashus: and that would be off-topic for this channel then |
| 06:11:07 | beta2k | If the plugin API was LGPL then you would be ok |
| 06:11:21 | beta2k | but it's not :) |
| 06:13:04 | thrashus | yes |
| 06:13:11 | beta2k | You can get away with it in Linux since you can write software which doesn't include GPL'd code |
| 06:13:23 | thrashus | yes |
| 06:13:24 | beta2k | As soon as you include GPL'd code your product becomes GPL |
| 06:14:09 | beta2k | That's why LGPL was created |
| 06:14:12 | Llorean | And we've established Rockbox plugins require the use of GPL code |
| 06:14:28 | Llorean | You're wandering well into off-topic territory, so I must remind you the channel has guidelines. |
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| 09:11:59 | toshibasuks | hello anyone active? |
| 09:12:54 | Chronon | yes |
| 09:13:26 | toshibasuks | do you no much about putting songs on rockbox? |
| 09:14:05 | scorche|sh | toshibasuks: please do not ask to ask a question or ask if anyone is around...it is much better to simply ask the question right out |
| 09:14:12 | toshibasuks | ok sorry |
| 09:14:21 | scorche|sh | and there isnt much to know about that subject |
| 09:14:45 | toshibasuks | i cant seem to put songs on my toshiba when rockbox is installed i get a "Panic! mount 0" error after ive dragged the song floders onto the root of the drive |
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| 09:16:49 | Unhelpful | what OS are you using? |
| 09:17:28 | toshibasuks | xp home sp3 |
| 09:18:09 | toshibasuks | also when i create a folder called say music, inside of it it automatically vreates a couple of files with wierd symbols that are around 3GBeach |
| 09:18:24 | toshibasuks | inside the root* |
| 09:18:48 | Unhelpful | and this was an S30, right? |
| 09:18:53 | toshibasuks | yes |
| 09:19:14 | toshibasuks | ive already tryed reinstalling rockbox several times to see if it would change anything but it didint |
| 09:20:32 | Unhelpful | and you're letting rockbox start up all the way before you plug it in? or are you plugging in USB, then turning on the S30? |
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| 09:21:20 | toshibasuks | yes, i load rockbox up properly and let it load |
| 09:21:29 | toshibasuks | with no songs or anything i can get onto all the plugins apps etc |
| 09:21:47 | toshibasuks | but as soon as i put a folder or song on it crashes |
| 09:22:31 | Unhelpful | crashes *when* you add the folder/file, or after you unplug it? |
| 09:22:57 | toshibasuks | after i unplug it, but i wait around 5 mins after i transfer it just to make sure it did transfer |
| 09:23:05 | toshibasuks | while it is connected |
| 09:23:11 | toshibasuks | but it still crashes and i get the error |
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| 09:23:33 | toshibasuks | could it be my partitioning? |
| 09:23:35 | scorche|sh | toshibasuks: you need to "safely remove" the device...not just wait 5 minutes |
| 09:23:41 | Unhelpful | erm... are you using "remove safely", or just unplugging it? |
| 09:23:52 | toshibasuks | just unplugging it |
| 09:24:07 | grai | there's a little icon in the system tray you're supposed to (right-)click on |
| 09:24:14 | toshibasuks | not there |
| 09:24:18 | toshibasuks | doesnt show up |
| 09:24:37 | toshibasuks | ill try now and use control panel to get into it |
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| 09:24:43 | toshibasuks | brb in a lil |
| 09:25:07 | Unhelpful | perhaps windows thinks it's not a removable drive? |
| 09:26:08 | toshibasuks | i dont no, but it shows up in my computer as TFAT(H:) |
| 09:26:24 | toshibasuks | (H: ) |
| 09:27:36 | toshibasuks | ill sendfirm again and set it all up and ill see what happens with the removable device |
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| 09:28:31 | Unhelpful | i doubt a reinstall is going to do any good |
| 09:28:50 | toshibasuks | yes but it will reset my removeable media |
| 09:28:57 | toshibasuks | so it will pop up as a new device |
| 09:30:37 | toshibasuks | k its in bootloader mode right now |
| 09:30:40 | toshibasuks | usb mode |
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| 09:34:08 | toshibasuks | i found the problem i think, it comes up as a local disk |
| 09:34:21 | toshibasuks | instead of a USB mass storage device |
| 09:34:44 | toshibasuks | does fdisk work in command prompt? |
| 09:35:20 | * | scorche|sh wonders where else fdisk works |
| 09:36:10 | toshibasuks | my player shows up as 2 local disks one that is 150mb and one that is 27Gb |
| 09:36:23 | toshibasuks | how do i partition it properly |
| 09:37:02 | scorche|sh | ....why are you repartitioning it? |
| 09:37:10 | Unhelpful | i'm really not sure? it seems to me an OS that determines a disk attached after startup not to be removable is broken by design. |
| 09:37:44 | toshibasuks | because i need to re-partion it so it shows up as a USB mass storage device rather than a local disk |
| 09:38:15 | toshibasuks | and fdisk isnt wokring |
| 09:38:23 | Unhelpful | i don't really think messing with the partition table will fix that |
| 09:38:39 | toshibasuks | i dunno because i never partiotioned it in the first place |
| 09:38:55 | Unhelpful | no, firmware did that when you did recovery |
| 09:39:41 | toshibasuks | aw ok, the nk.bin file? |
| 09:40:37 | toshibasuks | could i put songs on it while i am in bootloader usb mode? |
| 09:40:43 | toshibasuks | would that make a difference |
| 09:41:01 | Unhelpful | as far as i know, the recovery process partitions and formats the drive before asking you to send firmware. at least, it's always reset any partition flags that i changed, and reformatted the data partition |
| 09:41:13 | toshibasuks | yeh, |
| 09:41:25 | Unhelpful | ... what would make a difference would be properly flushing data to disk and unmounting it before you remove it. |
| 09:41:45 | toshibasuks | and how do you do that, i dont quite understand what you mean by flushing |
| 09:43:32 | Unhelpful | in windows, that whole process is what "safely remove" does. |
| 09:44:17 | toshibasuks | ah ok, but it doesnt show up in the safelty remove list |
| 09:44:24 | toshibasuks | i have that screen up now |
| 09:45:04 | toshibasuks | becasue it shows as a local disk |
| 09:47:23 | grai | maybe it would appear there if you used the bootloader usb thing? |
| 09:47:25 | * | grai is totally ignorant |
| 09:48:02 | toshibasuks | no, in bootloader it shows as 2 local disks still |
| 09:49:13 | toshibasuks | i jst need to figure out how to change a local disk to a removal mdeia item |
| 09:49:22 | toshibasuks | USb mass storage |
| 09:49:38 | Unhelpful | and there's the trouble, 1) this is more a windows issue than a rockbox one, and 2) i really have no idea how to do that |
| 09:51:21 | Chronon | toshibasuks, try going to Device Manager and check the policies for your device. |
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| 09:52:41 | toshibasuks | yes done that, everything is fine, i found how to change a hard disk to a USB mass storage so im going to do that now |
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| 09:58:00 | mrkiko | Hi all! |
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| 09:58:48 | mrkiko | After updating rockbox to release r18317 I can't get it crashing again the same way. When it crash I can have it rebooting pressing play |
| 09:58:51 | mrkiko | ... good |
| 09:58:51 | mrkiko | good! |
| 09:59:02 | mrkiko | I haven't tested FM radio again |
| 09:59:12 | mrkiko | but I don't use it, so even if it crashes there's no problems :) |
| 09:59:36 | mrkiko | I would be curious of knowing what change may be responsible for this. I red the SVN changelog several times |
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| 10:02:27 | toshibasuks | mrkiko do you no how to change a local disk to a USB mass storage? |
| 10:02:53 | toshibasuks | cause my player (gigabeat s30) is showing up as a local disk and not a USB mass storage device |
| 10:03:03 | toshibasuks | i have rockbox installed btw |
| 10:03:21 | mrkiko | toshibasuks: what OS are you using? |
| 10:03:28 | toshibasuks | xp home sp3 |
| 10:03:39 | toshibasuks | fdisk doesnt work in cmd |
| 10:03:57 | mrkiko | toshibasuks: so I don't have any idea on how to help you - I never used XP |
| 10:04:34 | toshibasuks | do you anything about partitioning? |
| 10:04:39 | mrkiko | and infact I don't either understand how differently windows consider a local disk and an usb storage one. you may try aniway to ask on some windows related channel... |
| 10:04:51 | toshibasuks | ok |
| 10:04:58 | mrkiko | toshibasuks: yes |
| 10:05:27 | mrkiko | toshibasuks: I know how to partition a disk with simple schemes aniway.... but may be partitioning is out of topic here |
| 10:05:34 | toshibasuks | ok |
| 10:05:39 | mrkiko | toshibasuks: to, to avoid being kicked, please send me a private message |
| 10:06:05 | scorche|sh | and unnecessary,, |
| 10:06:50 | mrkiko | scorche|sh: ??? |
| 10:07:20 | scorche|sh | i doubt repartitioning will do any good |
| 10:07:34 | toshibasuks | i think it will because, it will change it to a USB mass storage |
| 10:07:40 | toshibasuks | there is an option in fdisk to do so |
| 10:07:55 | toshibasuks | to change it from a local hard disk to a DOS drive |
| 10:08:05 | toshibasuks | anyways thats a little off topic |
| 10:09:11 | mrkiko | toshibasuks: if you get talking with important people here, may be they don't kick you :) |
| 10:09:21 | mrkiko | lol |
| 10:09:26 | scorche|sh | it could have bad effects....but i am not that well versed in the gigabeat S |
| 10:09:55 | Chronon | toshibasuks. I don't think "Local Disk" and USB Mass Storage device are mutually exclusive. |
| 10:11:52 | Unhelpful | scorche: it will repartition, reformat, and beg for firmware if it doesn't like something you do to the disk |
| 10:12:01 | toshibasuks | a Local disk shows up as a system disk, sort of like an external hardrive, so it will allow you to install prgrams on it etc |
| 10:12:31 | toshibasuks | i wont to re-partiion it while keeping the firmware on it |
| 10:12:35 | toshibasuks | want* |
| 10:12:38 | Unhelpful | that's a windows distinction, and i don't really know what magic it uses to decide if a disk should be treated as removable |
| 10:13:00 | toshibasuks | ice used fdisk before and u can do that, but atm i cant figure out how to make my player just 1 drive |
| 10:13:05 | Chronon | USB disks are considered removable. |
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| 10:13:10 | toshibasuks | ive* |
| 10:13:19 | Unhelpful | toshibasuks: that you can't do. |
| 10:13:33 | Unhelpful | it has to be two partitions, one is for firmware, the other for data |
| 10:13:42 | toshibasuks | true |
| 10:13:57 | Unhelpful | if you change it from that, the OF boot sequence will "fix" it for you |
| 10:14:10 | toshibasuks | ah yeh |
| 10:14:21 | Unhelpful | similarly if you try to format either of the partitions yourself, since they will then not have the right tfat magic |
| 10:14:41 | toshibasuks | will the player stay in bootloader mode if i restrat my computer and boot from disk? |
| 10:15:02 | toshibasuks | i only want to partition the 27GB |
| 10:15:53 | Unhelpful | erm, no, if you restart your computer, a usb detach will likely register on the player, and it will continue its boot sequence |
| 10:16:36 | Unhelpful | you need to figure out why your computer thinks that *this* particular usb device doesn't need to be safely removed, and i doubt that messing with the partition table will fix that |
| 10:17:13 | toshibasuks | yes but if it is acting as a hard disk , then it should act like a removal harddrive, and stay active while the computer is on |
| 10:18:02 | n1s | this sounds more like a windows config issue than a rockbox or even partitioning issue |
| 10:18:57 | Unhelpful | i'm agreed, you really need to find somebody who can help you with a windows problem, because this isn't a rockbox problem. |
| 10:19:02 | toshibasuks | hmm yeh, still i think windows when i was installing rockbox using sendfirm might have recognised it as a local disk because of its intial size |
| 10:19:16 | toshibasuks | ok will do |
| 10:19:28 | toshibasuks | ill browse the windows chat or something |
| 10:21:12 | toshibasuks | what is the direcetory structure like in the root drive in rockbox |
| 10:21:18 | toshibasuks | when you have songs on it |
| 10:21:41 | toshibasuks | i might create my songs first then instal rockbox onto it after i have transfered my songs |
| 10:24:58 | toshibasuks | thanks for all your help everyone |
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| 10:52:32 | lee321987 | Gevaerts |
| 10:53:30 | lee321987 | (on USB for Sansa c250) Am I right that with the current SVN all I have to do is enable mass-storage, and I can start testing? |
| 10:54:00 | lee321987 | and does High-Speed/Full-Speed matter? |
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| 10:55:56 | lee321987 | anyone here using mass storage on a PP? |
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| 10:57:06 | J-23 | Hi! |
| 10:57:52 | J-23 | I downloaded rockdoom.wad to /.rockbox/doom on my player, but doom plugin still returns "Missing Base WAD!". Do I need to do something else? |
| 10:59:41 | Chronon | J-23, did you put one of the game wads on yet? |
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| 11:00:12 | J-23 | I downloaded Chex Quest wads to .rockbox/doom/addons/ |
| 11:00:21 | Chronon | You still need a base wad |
| 11:00:24 | J-23 | rockdoom.wad is from rockbox.org |
| 11:00:49 | J-23 | so it should work |
| 11:00:56 | Chronon | You still need a resource wad such as the shareware doom.wad or the commercial doom2.wad |
| 11:01:18 | Chronon | or you can use freedoom which you can call either doomf.wad or doom2.wad |
| 11:01:31 | Chronon | Click on the Extras link at www.rockbox.org |
| 11:01:56 | Chronon | If you download the archive there it contains both rockdoom.wad and doomf.wad |
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| 11:06:50 | J-23 | oh, I have bad partition table. Fdisk doesn't recognize any partitions, there are two. I can't remove files from Rockbox partition, because rm returns "Read-only filesystem" |
| 11:07:02 | J-23 | df says I have 340kb of space on it |
| 11:07:53 | JdGordon | mcuelenaere: hey, whats in a name? :D I have no probs with that patch |
| 11:08:07 | J-23 | dmesg says http://pastebin.com/d4156ef6d |
| 11:08:12 | mcuelenaere | JdGordon: see the comment above :) |
| 11:09:11 | J-23 | fdisk says http://pastebin.com/d4651e66 |
| 11:09:26 | J-23 | how can I fix my player's partition table without destroying data on it? |
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| 11:11:11 | Unhelpful | erm, the read-only-ness of the partition is not determined by the partition table |
| 11:11:54 | Unhelpful | can't speak for other OS, but the linux FAT driver will force a mount to read-only if it detects certain inconsistencies in the contents of the filesystem |
| 11:15:41 | J-23 | I see SanDisk original firmware partition is bad too |
| 11:17:57 | JdGordon | mcuelenaere: above as in 13 hours ago? |
| 11:18:40 | mcuelenaere | JdGordon: above as in http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9308#comment25415 |
| 11:19:02 | JdGordon | ah yeah |
| 11:19:23 | J-23 | how can I fix filesystems on my player? |
| 11:20:39 | Unhelpful | unmount them, and use fsck or windows chkdsk to repair inconsistencies |
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| 11:21:41 | J-23 | for sdc2 fsck.vfat says "Logical sector size is zero." |
| 11:24:05 | Unhelpful | now that, i'm not sure about. also, this needs to move to #rockbox-community, since this is getting more generic and less about rockbox itself. |
| 11:24:12 | J-23 | for /dev/sdc1 "Invalid disk format in boot sector." |
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| 11:46:37 | lee321987 | Gevaerts |
| 11:47:28 | lee321987 | anyone here using mass storage on a Sansa? |
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| 11:56:29 | JdGordon | lee321987: its lunch time in europe... some of the devs atually dont spend 24/7 here.... |
| 11:57:09 | lee321987 | Thanks. Peace. |
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| 12:00:00 | bughunter2 | hi mcuelenaere :) |
| 12:00:10 | mcuelenaere | bughunter2: hi |
| 12:00:18 | bughunter2 | mcuelenaere: can i privmsg you? |
| 12:00:25 | mcuelenaere | go ahead |
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| 12:15:49 | mrkiko | If someone here cares/remember: I think we should consider the toshibasuk's problem. May be sendfirm/USB ID change made Windows deduce that reader was no more an usb-storage device but a local disk one? |
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| 12:19:31 | lee321987 | i'm using a Sansa c250. I just deleted the .rockbox dir (so I could re-format), and now I can't boot (RB or OF). Recovery mode doesn't work. Did I just brick my player? |
| 12:19:43 | BigBambi | mrkiko: How it appears is a function of the USB stack |
| 12:19:55 | BigBambi | However, either way you can safely eject it using Windows |
| 12:20:10 | JdGordon | lee321987: hold left while booting and you should get into the of |
| 12:20:20 | | Nick Kopfi|offline is now known as Kopfgeldjaeger (n=nicolai@monitor-mode-enabled-on-mon0.phy0.de) |
| 12:20:26 | BigBambi | If you fiddle with the partition table on a gigabeat S, it will repartition itself, reformat itself, and demand a firmware upgrade |
| 12:20:54 | lee321987 | black screen. (button light comes on though) |
| 12:21:14 | BigBambi | All of this is unnecessary - Rockbox USB works just fine on it under Windows, and it is perfectly possible to safely remove it. |
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| 12:21:57 | BigBambi | I have happily used Rockbox USB on the S with both Windows and Linux - nothing needs changing, he just isn't doing it properly |
| 12:22:33 | lee321987 | should I be able to boot the OF even though there is no ".rockbox" dir? |
| 12:23:03 | mrkiko | lee321987: yes |
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| 12:24:44 | mrkiko | BigBambi: infact |
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| 12:25:29 | mrkiko | BigBambi: I think you're referring to the usb stack in rockbox, not the windows one |
| 12:25:35 | BigBambi | er, yes |
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| 12:25:50 | BigBambi | obviously - Rockbox USb uses the Rockbox USB stack... |
| 12:26:14 | mrkiko | BigBambi: so may be the ID change influenced the thing... |
| 12:26:23 | BigBambi | What ID change? |
| 12:26:54 | BigBambi | You can change the RB USB stack to change how Windows detects it - but it doesn't mater, both ways work |
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| 12:26:56 | mrkiko | BigBambi: no... I'm explaining myself wrong :) |
| 12:27:13 | mrkiko | BigBambi: ah ok, understood |
| 12:27:32 | mrkiko | BigBambi: and why would you need to change it to let Windows detect it differently? |
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| 12:28:42 | mrkiko | BigBambi: ok, I found even some messages clarifying all :) |
| 12:28:46 | BigBambi | It depends whether it comes up as removable drive or not, which changes e.g. whether Windows sticks a recycling bin on it and other stuff. There are pros and cons for both that I can't remember right now. However, you can safely remove both so from that point of view it doesn't matter |
| 12:29:27 | BigBambi | I think delayed writing is one thing that changes, so depending on which way round it is, that makes using safely remove even more important |
| 12:29:50 | mrkiko | BigBambi: ok ok. I haven't red your message telling this 'cause I've not seen my nick on front and so I was thinking it may be a message for someone else... |
| 12:30:08 | BigBambi | sorry, I should have directed it |
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| 12:30:28 | mrkiko | BigBambi: Oh.. may be I was too "mechanical" in "parsing" IRC :) |
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| 12:37:07 | mrkiko | I would propose another FS driver for rockbox to optionally use instead of FAT. I don't do that cause I know how hard is to code a filesystem :) |
| 12:44:02 | stu8ball | I don't have a Windows computer, and I don't plug my iriver into other people's computers really, so when I first got into Rockbox the other year I asked Google, "ext2 or ext3 site:rockbox.org", |
| 12:44:18 | stu8ball | and it says on the wiki that they really really seriously don't want to be having other filesystems on it. |
| 12:44:26 | stu8ball | For some reason that never is explained. :P |
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| 12:44:55 | funman | last time i checked it was detailed |
| 12:45:09 | domonoky | stu8ball: using another FS in rockbox is hardwork, pollutes the code for nearly no gain... |
| 12:45:09 | stu8ball | oh. I'll look it again now so. |
| 12:47:06 | funman | fat32 is mandatory anyway since it's the only read/write fs across macosx windows and linux |
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| 12:49:36 | amiconn | There's another reason why fat32 is mandatory on many targets: OF bootloaders which we don't/can't replace need to be able to access the disk |
| 12:50:29 | mrkiko | amiconn: oh ... right |
| 12:50:54 | mrkiko | and to solve these problems, ugly partitioning schemes may be adopted... |
| 12:52:18 | BigBambi | Also, fat32 is supported by all OSs |
| 12:52:41 | BigBambi | Try getting Windows to read/write ext2/ext3 - possible, but unstable and not easy for casual users |
| 12:52:45 | mrkiko | aniway if some errors occurs in vfat, the chance of having corrupted but consistent data remaining here and there is very high. |
| 12:52:46 | funman | I can't find the page anymore :/ |
| 12:53:04 | amiconn | Supporting another filesystem is a nodo for rockbox, with the only sensible exception being hfs support on ipod (for supporting macpods without reformatting) |
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| 12:53:10 | mrkiko | but this feels like an allready-done-too-much-time debate: stopping ... :) |
| 12:53:27 | BigBambi | It has been gone over many times, and there are many very good reasons |
| 12:53:34 | BigBambi | stu8ball: satisfied now? |
| 12:53:34 | funman | BigBambi: I think there is ext2/3 drivers available |
| 12:53:56 | BigBambi | funman: I know - that's why I said " possible, but unstable and not easy for casual users" |
| 12:54:03 | amiconn | The chance for corrupted data with disk structures intact exists regardless of the filesystem in use |
| 12:54:14 | stu8ball | BigBambi: um. I wasn't complaining about lack of filesystems really... I was making a reply to something that was said earlier. |
| 12:54:48 | BigBambi | stu8ball: Sorry, I read you saying it wasn't explained why as you wanting an explanation |
| 12:55:29 | BigBambi | <stu8ball> and it says on the wiki that they really really seriously don't want to be having other filesystems on it. <stu8ball> For some reason that never is explained. :P |
| 12:55:40 | BigBambi | implies to me you think there isn't a reason and there should be |
| 12:56:17 | funman | it's an implicit implication ;) |
| 12:57:30 | pixelma | I just read "it should be explained" into that... |
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| 12:57:47 | stu8ball | I suppose that this here is what happens in a channel full of people just waiting to pounce on anything that looks as if it could use an explaination. |
| 12:57:56 | stu8ball | All open source software channels, basically. :P |
| 12:58:05 | stu8ball | Anyway, bbl. |
| 12:59:31 | * | BigBambi shakes his head |
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| 13:03:10 | funman | there is 2 different AS3525 packaging, but on the Sansav2 we can't see the chip directly |
| 13:03:17 | funman | it's put in a box with a Sandisk logo on it |
| 13:05:19 | funman | I suppose the chip on the Clip is the "no recovery mode, you're screwed" one |
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| 13:07:12 | mrkiko | stu8ball: yes, on all open-source channels things tend to be so. Aniway, the solution I adopted is: simply don't try to fix misunderstandings when they happen. Things will go better the next time... |
| 13:07:56 | funman | http://www.anythingbutipod.com/archives/images/sansa-clip-disassembled/sandisk-sansa-clip-disassembled-13.jpg < just left to the lcd hole, what's the black pasta all around the chip ? |
| 13:08:06 | mrkiko | stu8ball: (especially valid if you know the other nick had admin powers :) ) |
| 13:12:47 | Bagder | funman: hard to tell with such a lores picture |
| 13:13:17 | Bagder | anythingbutipod does lots of good disassemblies, but they never do good hires pics... :-/ |
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| 13:31:45 | funman | Bagder: I'll try to find a camera to make other pictures |
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| 13:48:51 | bughunter2 | hello, i have made a patch to the beecrypt library of Zenutils to make it support the MINGW32 platform, is there any chance I or someone else could get it committed to SVN? |
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| 13:55:13 | Bagder | bughunter2: submit it to flyspray |
| 13:55:24 | bughunter2 | will do |
| 13:55:45 | Bagder | sounds like something mcuelenaere will be interested in |
| 13:55:54 | bughunter2 | yep |
| 13:56:08 | bughunter2 | i talked with him about it, and he said i should ask here / submit to flyspray |
| 13:56:12 | bughunter2 | but he had to go :) |
| 13:56:16 | bughunter2 | otherwise he could commit it |
| 13:56:43 | Bagder | ok, I'm really not very familiar with that area so I'd rather let him commit it |
| 13:57:11 | bughunter2 | should i wait for him to come back or submit to flyspray? |
| 13:57:25 | Bagder | submit it and he can take care of it whenever it reappears |
| 13:57:30 | bughunter2 | k :) |
| 13:57:33 | Bagder | s/it/he |
| 13:57:39 | bughunter2 | ;) |
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| 14:00:10 | bughunter2 | Bagder: to which category does my patch belong? i'm not sure since i see no "Zenutils" in the category list |
| 14:01:08 | n1s | Build environment would fit |
| 14:01:20 | Bagder | or "utils" which I just added ;-) |
| 14:01:28 | bughunter2 | :) |
| 14:01:46 | bughunter2 | thank you |
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| 14:46:42 | * | gevaerts reads the backlog and really doesn't understand what toshibasuks was going on about |
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| 14:49:17 | lee321987 | i'm looking at the rockbox Buyers Guide −− am I right that all of the functional ports are out of production? |
| 14:53:37 | gevaerts | All supported ports are out of production, yes |
| 14:54:47 | BigBambi | gevaerts: me neither really |
| 14:55:16 | BigBambi | somehow repartitioning was going to change how rb usb interacted with windows! |
| 14:55:39 | gevaerts | I'd let him repartition. The OF will fix that anyway |
| 14:55:43 | BigBambi | all he needed to do was properly safely remove anyway, as far as I could tell |
| 14:55:49 | BigBambi | gevaerts: indeed so |
| 14:56:34 | * | gevaerts also didn't understand what's wrong with not claiming to be a SCSI removable drive if you aren't |
| 14:58:32 | lee321987 | well, I think I just bricked my c250 −−- anyone know of a less-than-$100 unsupported player thats in production and Rockbox works on? |
| 14:58:50 | gevaerts | Are you sure you bricked it? c250s are pretty resilient |
| 14:59:40 | gevaerts | And once rockbox works well on a player, it _is_ supported |
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| 15:00:29 | lee321987 | well, I re-formatted with the HP USB tool, and unplugged it before I put ".rockbox" folder back on, and now neiter Recovery/Manufacture/OF boot works |
| 15:01:22 | lee321987 | just a black screen with the button light lit, and Windows makes the "Device Failed To Connect" sound. |
| 15:01:39 | gevaerts | That looks like manufacturer mode |
| 15:01:44 | lee321987 | yeah |
| 15:02:06 | lee321987 | i tried an Ubuntu Live CD - still not recognized. |
| 15:02:22 | gevaerts | What do you call "not recognized" ? |
| 15:02:52 | lee321987 | did not see the "16 MB" drive |
| 15:03:12 | gevaerts | That's pretty normal. the 16MB drive is recovery mode, not manufacturer mode. |
| 15:03:25 | * | gevaerts recommends reading the recovery documents on the wiki |
| 15:04:01 | lee321987 | i'll look again... |
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| 15:08:45 | lee321987 | I've tried all the boot methods there, but none of them work (i.e. no new drives are recognized after connection to my computer) |
| 15:09:02 | BigBambi | I didn't think you were meant to see a drive in manufacturing mode |
| 15:09:11 | gevaerts | There _are_ no drives in manufacturing mode... |
| 15:09:25 | lee321987 | ohhhhh |
| 15:09:30 | lee321987 | cool |
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| 15:11:06 | BigBambi | gevaerts: is the c200 the same as the e200 do you know? i.e. does this page hold? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Unbrick#Manufacturing_Mode |
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| 15:12:56 | gevaerts | BigBambi: the file is called pribootLoader.rom instead of BL_SD_boardSupportSD.rom, and sansa.fmt doesn't do anything as far as I know, but for the rest it's the same |
| 15:13:21 | BigBambi | OK, I'll look at doing a c200 version |
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| 15:14:44 | BigBambi | gevaerts: Does it also use e200tool or is there a c200 version? |
| 15:14:52 | gevaerts | Still e200tool |
| 15:15:24 | BigBambi | cool |
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| 15:15:56 | BigBambi | I'm not sure what would be less confusing - a new page with lots of duplicated information, or adding c200 info to the e200 page |
| 15:18:46 | gevaerts | Good question... |
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| 15:21:15 | BigBambi | I'm trying to adapt the e200 one - could you take a look when I've finished for an opinion? |
| 15:21:33 | gevaerts | Sure |
| 15:22:09 | lee321987 | can I have a look too? |
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| 15:27:19 | BigBambi | gevaerts: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Unbrick |
| 15:27:34 | BigBambi | lee321987: of course, but wait until gevaerts has OK'd it :) |
| 15:27:54 | lee321987 | ok |
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| 15:29:51 | gevaerts | Looks good to me |
| 15:30:48 | BigBambi | Cool, cheers |
| 15:31:28 | BigBambi | lee321987: OK, that page should help you out now. Make sure to only do exactly what it says, and if you don't understand or there is a problem at any step, ask here before doing anything else |
| 15:33:14 | lee321987 | BigBambi: ok, thank you. Can I use Cygwin (so I can stay on-line) or my Ubuntu Live CD? |
| 15:33:24 | BigBambi | Ubuntu Live CD |
| 15:33:37 | BigBambi | e200 tool doesn't work in windows |
| 15:33:43 | lee321987 | ok |
| 15:33:49 | BigBambi | Can you not get online with the live CD though? |
| 15:34:06 | lee321987 | no (win modem) |
| 15:34:44 | lee321987 | but I'm good with both directions and computers (plus I understand that this is all on me) :) |
| 15:34:46 | BigBambi | bad luck |
| 15:34:54 | gevaerts | If it still doesn't work after these steps, shout. |
| 15:34:59 | BigBambi | OK, cool. Well good luck, let us know how it goes :) |
| 15:35:25 | gevaerts | Sometimes you really need to restore the partition table and filesystem, and the fact that the sansa.fmt trick doesn't work on c200 makes that hard |
| 15:35:49 | BigBambi | but not to worry, gevaerts has a special tool! (and the expertise :)) |
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| 15:36:02 | gevaerts | So in that case you'll need a special tool. We'll get to that when it's needed though |
| 15:38:37 | lee321987 | awesome. What does "('touch sansa.fmt')" mean? |
| 15:38:58 | lee321987 | oops never mind |
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| 15:41:11 | jhMikeS | Since it was requested that the Gigabeat S charging code be submitted, here it be: FS #9312 |
| 15:41:22 | BigBambi | jhMikeS: greetings :) |
| 15:41:29 | BigBambi | long time no see! |
| 15:41:58 | * | gevaerts can't remember the correct starting address for his tool :( |
| 15:42:06 | jhMikeS | BigBambi: hello. :) sht happens... |
| 15:42:11 | BigBambi | indeed so :) |
| 15:42:35 | BigBambi | Is that patch useable at present? |
| 15:43:23 | jhMikeS | BigBambi: should be quite useable. nothing for the bootloader but what the hey for now. |
| 15:43:28 | BigBambi | Indeed |
| 15:43:49 | BigBambi | Thanks for that though, I'll try it out :) |
| 15:43:54 | jhMikeS | I had one of those moments of spontaneous formatting the S was renound for |
| 15:44:10 | BigBambi | :/ Luckily I've still never experienced that |
| 15:44:15 | jhMikeS | *Panic*: Mount 0 after USB unplug :\ |
| 15:44:54 | BigBambi | Owing to the nice big disk I have in it as well, I really hope never to see it - copying everything over takes *ages* |
| 15:45:56 | jhMikeS | yeah, but one off bit in the FAT and it decides to blow it clean. very annoying. |
| 15:46:13 | BigBambi | yeah :/ |
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| 15:46:28 | gevaerts | At least we don't need to explain how to use chkdsk that often |
| 15:46:34 | BigBambi | lol |
| 15:46:53 | jhMikeS | heh...yeah |
| 15:47:17 | * | gevaerts considers trying to restore his c250 as a c240, just to see what happens |
| 15:47:34 | jhMikeS | I also got that "Not Found" problem after it did the deed but using a tar extract instead of a zip fixed that |
| 15:47:49 | BigBambi | that's odd |
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| 15:54:29 | BigBambi | unzip -o rockbox.zip -d /media/S60 |
| 15:54:32 | BigBambi | er, oops |
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| 15:56:28 | BigBambi | jhMikeS: Well, the debug menu claims it is charging :) |
| 15:56:43 | BigBambi | Do you have any use for any values from there? |
| 15:58:39 | jhMikeS | BigBambi: make sure it stops at the right place |
| 15:58:50 | BigBambi | Which is? |
| 15:58:51 | jhMikeS | Approximately 4.2V |
| 15:59:09 | * | gevaerts assumes that "the right place" is "before it catches fire" |
| 15:59:10 | jhMikeS | it should hang around there for a bit and stop when the current goes below 70mA |
| 15:59:22 | BigBambi | OK, will do. It is at 3.9V now, at constant current of ~390 mA |
| 15:59:34 | jhMikeS | sound about right |
| 15:59:49 | BigBambi | excelent :) |
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| 16:00:04 | jhMikeS | battery protection should kick in above 4.3V :) |
| 16:00:17 | BigBambi | I'll keep an eye on it :) |
| 16:00:37 | BigBambi | Battery temp is slowly rising too - started off at 27 degC and has just hit 30 degC |
| 16:00:50 | jhMikeS | the hardware on the battery is the final say in that |
| 16:01:27 | BigBambi | I'm sure it is fine, thanks very much for this, it is much appreciated |
| 16:01:33 | jhMikeS | BigBambi: it will warm up but that's just from being on, charging actually only brings it up 1-2 deg C |
| 16:01:49 | BigBambi | ah, right |
| 16:02:39 | BigBambi | I'm strangely interested in watching a voltage slowly creep up |
| 16:03:43 | jhMikeS | it's never gonna be a speed charger either, the hardware design limits it so it can't even exceed what's safe for the battery since higher-value sense resistor that what the chip datasheet specifies |
| 16:05:31 | jhMikeS | BigBambi: it takes a long time with retailos doesn't it?\ |
| 16:05:57 | BigBambi | It always seems to, but seeing as you never have any real idea of how full the battery is, it is hard to tell |
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| 16:20:01 | Casainho | hello Rockbox people :-) |
| 16:21:03 | Casainho | I want to start a new port - I have my all hardware and software tools - I would like to start having the Rockbox kernel working, and use it to flash a LED |
| 16:21:50 | Casainho | I would like to know the best way to work, since I don't have write access to SVN Rockbox, how should I work on my computer? |
| 16:22:01 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: yay for the charging patch! I'll test it :) |
| 16:22:44 | Casainho | I would like to after be able to commit all to SVN Rockbox... anyone can suggest me how should I do? plan my work? |
| 16:23:54 | BigBambi | Nico_P: It is working well here :) |
| 16:24:07 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: Have at it...put on the hot mittens. :D |
| 16:24:38 | jhMikeS | BigBambi: What's it reading now? |
| 16:25:00 | BigBambi | 3.999V, 385 mA, 37 degC |
| 16:25:10 | BigBambi | constant voltage |
| 16:25:26 | domonoky | Casainho: use svn, to check out the source, work locally on your PC, and then post patches (svn diff) to the tracker... if the quaility of your patches are good, you may get commit access sometime... |
| 16:25:41 | jhMikeS | It's CC/CV switching isn't really all that precise or useful unfortunately |
| 16:26:01 | BigBambi | When is it supposed to do what? |
| 16:26:25 | jhMikeS | BigBambi: say again? |
| 16:26:53 | BigBambi | When is it supposed to to CC/CV? |
| 16:27:29 | Casainho | domonoky: I think I will take some time to have something "visible", lets say 2 months - I start working now with actual RB version, that diffs will work for futures versions? |
| 16:27:53 | jhMikeS | BigBambi: By the docs, when it get's withing 2% of 4.2V but Toshiba did something weird with the design that makes it unruly |
| 16:27:57 | Casainho | I am afraid that I will |
| 16:28:14 | BigBambi | jhMikeS: Ah, so that part is hardware? |
| 16:28:16 | domonoky | Casainho: you can just use "svn update" to merge changes in rockbox svn, to your local tree.. |
| 16:28:47 | jhMikeS | BigBambi: yes, basically the software monitors and turns the charger on or off but regulation is hardware |
| 16:28:52 | BigBambi | gotcha |
| 16:29:33 | Casainho | domonoky: but, will not happen some big not phased versions, when I will try to commit the patchs??? |
| 16:30:31 | domonoky | Casainho: not if you first update your local tree with "svn up" before using "svn diff"... |
| 16:30:32 | XavierGr | ah welcome back jhMikeS, thanks for the charging patch :) |
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| 16:31:11 | XavierGr | btw for the logs, trying to fit an 1200mah ipod 4g battery on a Gigabeat S is not possible |
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| 16:31:41 | XavierGr | luckily I ordered an 1000mAh battery too that fits quite nicely |
| 16:31:46 | Casainho | domonoky: hmmm... so, in what frequency should I update my tree? |
| 16:32:03 | XavierGr | the strange thing is that after I replaced the battery the Gigabeat S original firmware formatted my player :( |
| 16:32:19 | domonoky | Casainho: as you like, but always before you make a patch for the tracker.. |
| 16:32:37 | XavierGr | does anyone know if it is possible to compile rbutil in cygwin? |
| 16:32:55 | XavierGr | ah wiki says so, I must try |
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| 16:34:08 | * | amiconn should try compiling gbdfed in cygwin |
| 16:34:18 | Casainho | domonoky: one last question: lets say I checkout the RB SVN, make some code on it, after 1 month, should I checkout again the RB SVN? will I lose my code If someone changed the files on RB SVN? |
| 16:34:21 | lee321987 | I just tried the e200tool with an Ubuntu Live CD... (i know little of Linux) I navigated to the folder with e200tool in it and typed "e200tool recover pribootLoader.rom", and received this error: "bash: e200tool: command not found". Guess I'm missing something simple...? |
| 16:34:35 | BigBambi | ./e200tool |
| 16:34:44 | BigBambi | I'll edit the wiki page |
| 16:34:47 | lee321987 | ha ha ha |
| 16:34:54 | BigBambi | you might also have to make it executable |
| 16:34:56 | lee321987 | cool |
| 16:35:08 | lee321987 | how? |
| 16:35:10 | domonoky | Casainho: you should not "checkout" again, but use "update", which will merge your changes... please read up on svn documentation.. |
| 16:35:27 | BigBambi | chmod +x e200tool |
| 16:36:02 | lee321987 | it's ok to try it as-is first though, right? |
| 16:36:12 | BigBambi | yep |
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| 16:36:30 | lee321987 | thank you. |
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| 16:37:04 | Casainho | domonoky: ah, okok :-) −− I must read more about SVN :-) −− thank you :-) |
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| 16:37:47 | Casainho | domonoky: I remember to see pictures of you form last DevCon :-) eheh :-) |
| 16:39:11 | jhMikeS | XavierGr: you welcome. btw, unless the batts are rated for the same full-charge voltage the really shouldn't be swapped. that should be verified. if the chemistry only permits 4.1V it shouldn't be used with the S. |
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| 16:39:44 | jhMikeS | I'm not really saying what the iPod battery is since I've no idea really |
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| 16:41:39 | XavierGr | jhMikeS: the 1000mah is specifically made for the S, the iPod battery fits a Gigabeat F |
| 16:42:16 | XavierGr | jhMikeS: but I thought that all these kind of batteries are rated at 3.7 and have upper voltage at 4.2 |
| 16:43:25 | jhMikeS | XavierGr: not all are 4.2. it's not really dangerous but shortens the life. |
| 16:45:08 | XavierGr | I must try a battery_bench with the new 1000mah battery at one point and see the difference |
| 16:45:37 | XavierGr | too bad the 1200mAh can't fit, it is impossible though, the Gigabest is very tighly constructed |
| 16:46:58 | jhMikeS | you should set the battery capacity properly since it's used for determining the stop point and would help the life of it |
| 16:47:25 | XavierGr | indeed |
| 16:48:15 | jhMikeS | BigBambi: latest readings? |
| 16:48:44 | BigBambi | 4.075V, ~385mA, 37 degC, CV |
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| 16:51:37 | XavierGr | Gigabeat S has sensors for amperage and temperature? |
| 16:52:15 | BigBambi | XavierGr: have a shufti in the debug menu under the battery entry (press down to get to it) |
| 16:52:49 | XavierGr | cool didn't know that |
| 16:58:06 | jhMikeS | BigBambi: It _might_ have the timer expire...it probably needs that CV timeout extended. if it stops with error, try a replug. |
| 16:59:02 | BigBambi | OK, it is currently 4.109V, 344 mA, 34 degC, CV |
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| 17:03:47 | jhMikeS | I threw a different patch up with a 180 minute timeout instead of 120. I forgot to make that update before posting. The early CV kick-in caused it to timeout on me a couple times way back. |
| 17:04:20 | BigBambi | OK, I'll swap out for that |
| 17:05:26 | BigBambi | After this has finished :) |
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| 17:27:05 | jhMikeS | BigBambi: report? |
| 17:27:32 | BigBambi | 4.160V, 190 mA, 32 degC, CV |
| 17:29:10 | lee321987 | I ran the e200tool: When it's done the Sansa logo flashes on the player and it goes through all the "unlocked" - "locked" stuff, then the recovery partition shows up in Ubuntu (named "16MB-Format"). I copied the MI4 and ROM files to it. I disconnect the player. It goes through the "reading" - "writing" stuff. Then it boots into Manufacturing mode again, and the normal way of getting to... |
| 17:29:12 | lee321987 | ...Recovery mode does not work. |
| 17:29:46 | lee321987 | (and neither does normal boot) |
| 17:29:50 | BigBambi | lee321987: gevaerts is probably the one to ask, but he has popped out for a bit. Hopefully he'll see this when he returns |
| 17:30:48 | lee321987 | thanks. What about the i2c ROM stuff −− would you try that? |
| 17:31:39 | BigBambi | not without speaking to him |
| 17:31:55 | BigBambi | That could really mess it up if not very very careful |
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| 17:32:32 | lee321987 | alright. |
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| 17:32:54 | lee321987 | gevaerts: |
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| 17:34:27 | * | amiconn got gbdfed to compile and run on cygwin :) There are a few minor quirks, but it's usable |
| 17:35:48 | mrkiko | gbdfed? |
| 17:35:53 | mrkiko | What does it do briefly?= |
| 17:36:28 | amiconn | It's a .bdf font editor, i.e. the source format for rockbox fonts |
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| 17:36:54 | mrkiko | amiconn: ah, ok |
| 17:37:04 | gevaerts | lee321987: download gevaerts/c250erase">http://www.evonet.be/~gevaerts/c250erase , then make it executable (chmod +x c250erase), put the device in manufacturer mode and run it (./c250erase) |
| 17:37:11 | mrkiko | amiconn: so nothing relevant for me :) ahaha |
| 17:37:23 | gevaerts | Ignore all mentions of e200r, that's because I didn't bother replacing those strings |
| 17:37:48 | gevaerts | If it runs successfully, you'll see a bunch of numbers on the screen. |
| 17:38:20 | gevaerts | After a while (can be 10 minutes, or 45, or maybe less. It depends...), it shows some other texts and tells you to turn off the player |
| 17:38:47 | gevaerts | After this, run the "normal" e200tool-based recovery again. It should then work |
| 17:39:48 | lee321987 | man you guys are cool. I'll give it a go... |
| 17:40:08 | gevaerts | Once it runs again, it's probably best to choose "format" in the OF menu, just to make sure it's really clean |
| 17:41:23 | lee321987 | will do. |
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| 17:44:02 | holscher | how come my ipod wont turn on? |
| 17:44:23 | BigBambi | You're going to have to give *slightly* more information than that |
| 17:44:29 | holscher | :) |
| 17:44:44 | gevaerts | One possible reason could be that it is already on |
| 17:44:54 | LambdaCalculus37 | Maybe you should politely ask it to turn on. :) |
| 17:44:54 | BigBambi | It got run over by a lorry? |
| 17:45:03 | LambdaCalculus37 | It's hungry? |
| 17:45:19 | holscher | i had it connected to my computer, turned it of and now it won't turn on again |
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| 17:45:22 | holscher | :D |
| 17:45:34 | LambdaCalculus37 | Feed it some power from the wall charger? |
| 17:45:45 | BigBambi | Leave it plugged into the wall for a number of hours |
| 17:45:53 | holscher | it was nearly fully charged |
| 17:45:59 | BigBambi | There is a bug in the Apple bootloader that does this |
| 17:46:01 | jhMikeS | directly into the wall? :p |
| 17:46:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | Try charging it again. |
| 17:46:08 | holscher | i have no "wall charger" |
| 17:46:09 | LambdaCalculus37 | jhMikeS: Hey, welcome back! :D |
| 17:46:20 | BigBambi | You don't normally see it with the Apple firmware, as it never turns completely off |
| 17:46:21 | jhMikeS | LambdaCalculus37: hello |
| 17:46:38 | jhMikeS | BigBambi: report? |
| 17:46:46 | BigBambi | jhMikeS: 4.183V, 118 mA, 31 dedC, CV |
| 17:46:51 | lee321987 | gevaerts: after I'm told to turn off the player should I turn it off first or go directly into e200tool-based recovery? |
| 17:46:56 | BigBambi | I was typing it as you said that :) |
| 17:47:04 | gevaerts | lee321987: turn it off first |
| 17:47:11 | lee321987 | got it. |
| 17:47:15 | jhMikeS | BigBambi: I remote viewed it...it's ok :) |
| 17:47:21 | BigBambi | hehe :) |
| 17:47:32 | BigBambi | You found the back door in linux :) |
| 17:48:05 | BigBambi | Or did that patch enable hitherto hidden wifi and remote access on the S, and not just charging as you claimed? :) |
| 17:48:06 | n1s | hey jhMikeS wb, and great work on the beast charging :) |
| 17:48:26 | LambdaCalculus37 | :) |
| 17:48:28 | jhMikeS | n1s: thanks...dare to try yourself? keep an extinguisher handy :) |
| 17:48:29 | gevaerts | holscher: just usb charging from a pc should also work. Just leave it for really long |
| 17:48:44 | BigBambi | I can report that I'm not yet on fire :) |
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| 17:49:17 | * | jhMikeS didn't see any fire in his visions |
| 17:49:33 | holscher | gevaerts, ok... how can i avoid this in the future? |
| 17:49:38 | BigBambi | I'm glad there is someone paying attention :) |
| 17:50:01 | BigBambi | holscher: It is a bug in the Apple firmware, we don't know what triggers it |
| 17:50:01 | gevaerts | holscher: from what I understand you can't. It just happens now and then |
| 17:50:11 | mrkiko | Ok, disappearing now. May be I'll come back at 2:28 AM. Bye all! |
| 17:50:40 | holscher | ok |
| 17:50:52 | jhMikeS | I don't know about other iPods, but an undercharged Video can be a real chore to make coherent again. |
| 17:52:27 | * | jhMikeS sees it's almost been 3hrs charging |
| 17:52:36 | n1s | jhMikeS: I will try it out tomorrow when i know i have the time to watch it go through a full chagre and also can check the logs to see if BigBambi caught fire after all :) |
| 17:53:07 | BigBambi | jhMikeS: Almost 2hrs for me |
| 17:53:24 | jhMikeS | n1s: hehe...instant vaporized...hell never be able to report it :) |
| 17:53:58 | LambdaCalculus37 | Burninated! :P |
| 17:54:08 | BigBambi | I'm not a peasant |
| 17:54:56 | jhMikeS | BigBambi: oops, right. I see 9:56 as the first mention, it's now 11:54 |
| 17:56:23 | BigBambi | yep (+6 hrs!) |
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| 18:03:13 | jhMikeS | BigBambi: It's gotta be cutting close to the timeout by now |
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| 18:03:31 | BigBambi | Will I get a splash or something? |
| 18:03:47 | jhMikeS | BigBambi: No, it'll just say "Error" in the battery screen |
| 18:04:02 | BigBambi | Right now, 4.196V, 80mA 33 degC and CV |
| 18:04:48 | jhMikeS | shouldn't be much longer to get to 70mA |
| 18:04:59 | BigBambi | Is that the cutoff? |
| 18:05:18 | jhMikeS | yep, 10% of the capacity |
| 18:05:38 | BigBambi | So the max charge current is 700 mA? |
| 18:06:01 | jhMikeS | 700mAh = battery Capacity, so 10% of that |
| 18:06:13 | BigBambi | ah, right |
| 18:06:20 | * | BigBambi slaps forehead |
| 18:06:53 | BigBambi | 74 mA and 4.199 V now |
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| 18:08:20 | jhMikeS | It _could_ be pushed a little more since it relaxes by about 40mV but a little under is better for the battery life |
| 18:09:28 | saratoga | jhMikeS: what does the SHAREDBSS attribute actually do? force uncached DRAM? |
| 18:09:37 | BigBambi | Just hit 4.201V and 70mA, and now it says 4.172V, 0mA, and status discharging |
| 18:09:56 | jhMikeS | BigBambi: sounds like it went ok |
| 18:10:03 | BigBambi | I think so :) |
| 18:10:22 | jhMikeS | saratoga: uncached memory that's just like normal BSS...good for dual-core objects |
| 18:10:29 | Llorean | jhMikeS: you mentioned USB charging works. Have you tried it while holding the button that prevents a USB mount, so the disk isn't always spinning? |
| 18:10:36 | BigBambi | So if I leave it on and plugged in, does it do some sort of trickle charge, or does it discharge to a certain level then charge again, or.... |
| 18:10:55 | saratoga | jhMikeS: thanks. also what does declaring a shared struct IDATA_ATTR CACHEALIGN_ATTR actually do? |
| 18:11:07 | jhMikeS | Llorean: nope, not yet. I wonder if I enabled the key. |
| 18:11:18 | saratoga | IDATA should be uncached right? |
| 18:11:24 | jhMikeS | saratoga: IDATA_ATTR= initialized IRAM data, CACHEALIGN_ATTR=align data start to cache line boundary |
| 18:11:30 | Llorean | jhMikeS: I'm not sure that the key wasn't already enabled, actually. Since it's more USB related than charging related. |
| 18:12:02 | saratoga | why would you want to align uncached data to cache line boundaries? |
| 18:12:05 | jhMikeS | Llorean: I recall disabling that to get the port to compile in the pas |
| 18:12:08 | Llorean | Aaaah |
| 18:12:11 | BigBambi | Holding menu whilst inserting USB doesn't mount |
| 18:12:16 | BigBambi | I've just tried it |
| 18:12:44 | BigBambi | removing AC then plugging USB like that has also set it off charging again |
| 18:12:48 | jhMikeS | saratoga: you wouldn't...it's for keeping cached data used by one core out of the cache lines of another core |
| 18:13:57 | saratoga | but why would that be helpful for data in IRAM? shouldn't that never end up in a cacheline regardless? |
| 18:14:47 | jhMikeS | saratoga: where did it come up that it was used for IRAM data? |
| 18:14:53 | saratoga | i'm referinng to this in the SPC codec: static struct Spc_Emu spc_emu IDATA_ATTR CACHEALIGN_ATTR; |
| 18:15:25 | * | gevaerts just found that he uploaded a dummy c250erase that only prints status messages but doesn't actually write... |
| 18:15:26 | jhMikeS | saratoga: because IDATA_ATTR is overridden in that codec and DRAM used instead |
| 18:15:49 | BigBambi | gevaerts: for the chap earlier |
| 18:15:51 | BigBambi | ? |
| 18:15:59 | gevaerts | yes. No wonder it's so fast |
| 18:16:01 | saratoga | i will have to look more closely at your code then |
| 18:16:16 | BigBambi | gevaerts: Poor guy :) Keeping having to reboot etc. :) |
| 18:16:28 | gevaerts | I guess he'll be back when he notices that it still doesn't work... |
| 18:16:33 | BigBambi | yep |
| 18:16:35 | jhMikeS | saratoga: the main header #undefs stuff for ARM cpus since they have good caches |
| 18:16:48 | saratoga | ah ok |
| 18:17:10 | saratoga | i'm just using IRAM for all shared structs anyway, so it sounds like I don't need to be too concerned about this |
| 18:17:18 | saratoga | was thinking that maybe there was a futher limitation on how IRAM was shared |
| 18:17:48 | jhMikeS | saratoga: IRAM is a do-what-you-please re: cores |
| 18:18:12 | saratoga | sounds good |
| 18:18:36 | jhMikeS | saratoga: I think n1s determined the SPC codec ran faster with DRAM rather than wide IRAM usage. |
| 18:19:07 | saratoga | i've noticed that IRAM can very rarely be much slower, but never figured out a pattern to it |
| 18:22:20 | gevaerts | BigBambi: I noticed when trying to get my c250 back to a 2GB model |
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| 18:30:07 | * | gevaerts suddenly realises that near-bricking a c200 with an empty battery would be very hard to get out of |
| 18:31:53 | * | LambdaCalculus37 wouldn't want that to happen to *any* of his DAPs |
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| 18:34:08 | lee321987 | gevaerts: still only boots to Manufacturing mide. |
| 18:34:19 | gevaerts | lee321987: I noticed the c250erase I uploaded earlier didn't work properly. I uploaded a new one a few minutes ago |
| 18:34:34 | gevaerts | Still gevaerts/c250erase">http://www.evonet.be/~gevaerts/c250erase |
| 18:34:37 | lee321987 | link? |
| 18:34:40 | lee321987 | oops |
| 18:35:02 | gevaerts | It only printed out status messages, but it didn't actually do anything. |
| 18:35:05 | gevaerts | The new one works |
| 18:35:28 | gevaerts | You'll notice it's much slower |
| 18:35:48 | lee321987 | DLing now...thanks man |
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| 19:01:41 | * | amiconn now has gbdfed nicely working in cygwin :) |
| 19:02:05 | LambdaCalculus37 | amicoon: Cool. :) |
| 19:02:12 | * | LambdaCalculus37 gives amiconn a beer |
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| 19:03:04 | wpyh | :D |
| 19:03:07 | wpyh | uh |
| 19:03:09 | wpyh | wrong channel |
| 19:03:13 | LambdaCalculus37 | :) |
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| 19:49:34 | lee321987 | gevaerts: All hail the mighty Gevaerts |
| 19:49:54 | gevaerts | you mean it works? |
| 19:50:02 | lee321987 | yes |
| 19:50:07 | lee321987 | thanks a lot |
| 19:50:30 | advcomp2019 | lee321987, great news :) |
| 19:50:37 | gevaerts | Now just don't try that formatting tool again :) |
| 19:50:58 | lee321987 | guess that was it huh? |
| 19:51:18 | gevaerts | It probably messed with the partitions as well |
| 19:51:26 | gevaerts | And c200s dont't like that... |
| 19:52:13 | lee321987 | is there a page that explains what the eraser tool did? |
| 19:52:46 | gevaerts | No, but I can tell you :) |
| 19:52:55 | lee321987 | please |
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| 19:53:39 | gevaerts | It basically wrote a new partition table, erased the firmware partition, and rewrote the FAT headers. |
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| 19:54:10 | gevaerts | All of those are things the sansa recovery things don't fix and can get stuck on |
| 19:55:12 | lee321987 | "worte a new partition table" −− does that mean/include deleting all partitions and creating new ones? |
| 19:55:26 | gevaerts | yes. |
| 19:55:38 | lee321987 | awesome tool man. thanks. |
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| 19:57:26 | lee321987 | now back to why I decided to re-format a few hours ago... |
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| 20:05:28 | fml | Hello. Could an FS admin put FS #8400 as a related task to FS #9305? |
| 20:05:49 | lee321987 | Is Rockbox Utility working good with Sansa c200s? If so can I build Rockbox Utility in Cygwin? |
| 20:06:45 | Llorean | lee321987: Why do you need to compile a copy of it? |
| 20:07:05 | domonoky | lee321987: rbutil should work fine with c200s, but i dont know if you can build with cygwin. i use mingw on windows.. |
| 20:07:54 | lee321987 | dial-up. |
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| 20:13:41 | fml | A small clarification: the above phrase about FS #9305 was not a question but rather a request :-) I know that the answer to the question would be 'yes' |
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| 21:28:40 | Llorean | gevaerts: I was just about to do that too. |
| 21:28:43 | Llorean | The MP4 parser seems to have some limitations (it can't handle files over a certain size period, for one) so I was wondering if this might just be further problematic behaviour in it. Does Lear know about this bug report? |
| 21:28:53 | gevaerts | I don't know |
| 21:29:26 | Llorean | He'd probably be a good person to talk with about it, I think |
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| 21:30:27 | gevaerts | The weird thing is that apparently selecting a bookmark works fine (although I haven't verified this yet) |
| 21:31:03 | n1s | if you install a voice with rbutil, does it generate it or downöoad it from somewhere? |
| 21:31:11 | n1s | s/ö/l/ |
| 21:31:33 | gevaerts | Depends. "Install" downloads, "Generate" generates |
| 21:35:13 | n1s | hmm, "install" gives a nice 404 error... |
| 21:35:48 | gevaerts | FS #9306 seems not to depend on any special settings |
| 21:36:43 | Llorean | n1s: It looks like voices aren't available right now. Not sure why |
| 21:36:56 | Llorean | There should normally also be links to them on the daily build page, there aren't. |
| 21:37:36 | * | pixelma asked that a few days ago already |
| 21:37:49 | n1s | oh |
| 21:37:52 | pixelma | IIRC Bagder said he was looking into it |
| 21:38:07 | domonoky | no voices to download, so the 404 error is correct.. |
| 21:38:44 | * | n1s finds another weirdness, daily build zips have dropped to |
| 21:39:08 | n1s | ¨about 250kB |
| 21:39:48 | pixelma | ok, it was yesterday |
| 21:41:05 | n1s | the main binary, plugins, codecs lamguages etc are missing from the daily zips |
| 21:41:10 | n1s | Bagder: ping |
| 21:42:53 | pixelma | for the older dailies there was also a maps zip available, which also seem to have vanished after the server outage |
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| 21:46:24 | AlexT | hi? |
| 21:46:34 | AlexT | |
| 21:46:39 | domonoky | ho! |
| 21:46:50 | * | bluebrother wanted to say the same thing |
| 21:47:09 | bluebrother | nobody in there, only bots. All others are gone :P |
| 21:47:29 | AlexT | anyone wanna help me wiht a rockbox question> |
| 21:47:43 | bluebrother | only if you dare to ask ... |
| 21:48:34 | AlexT | wtf |
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| 21:49:09 | bluebrother | wtf? |
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| 21:50:02 | AlexT1231 | hi? |
| 21:50:04 | * | bluebrother hands AlexT1231 an irc client |
| 21:50:16 | AlexT1231 | this is really slow for me |
| 21:50:26 | agaffney | yes, web-based IRC clients suck |
| 21:50:30 | agaffney | get a real client |
| 21:50:57 | bluebrother | especially cgi::irc. mibbit.com is much better |
| 21:51:13 | agaffney | mirc, xchat, irssi, bitchx, pidgin, chatzilla, etc. |
| 21:51:18 | agaffney | there's no shortage of them :P |
| 21:51:36 | bluebrother | well, maybe he should now dare to ask his question ;) |
| 21:53:06 | AlexT1231 | will do |
| 21:53:19 | bluebrother | well, then do so |
| 21:53:34 | domonoky | bluebrother: have you seen my fix in the iaudio bootloader install ? you should maybe do it the same in your bootloader rework.. :-) |
| 21:53:45 | bluebrother | domonoky: already did that :) |
| 21:53:51 | domonoky | :-) |
| 21:54:13 | bluebrother | domonoky: you might want to give http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/rbutil/rbutil-bootloader-rework-9.diff a look |
| 21:54:58 | bluebrother | I'd really like to commit soon, but I'm somewhat reluctant because of the upcoming release −− do we want to add such changes before building a 3.0-version of rbutil? |
| 21:55:29 | Llorean | bluebrother: I think it's okay. |
| 21:55:45 | Llorean | We have 1.0.6 that we can branch from for a 3.0 build of rbutil if your changes prove problematic. |
| 21:56:30 | BigBambi_ | Have there not been quite a few other fixes since 1.0.6? |
| 21:56:35 | bluebrother | Llorean: good point. A 3.0 build would only have a config file changed, so it's not really an issue |
| 21:56:48 | Llorean | BigBambi_: Well, 1.0.6+fixes then. |
| 21:56:55 | Llorean | The point is we can branch from wherever if we need to. |
| 21:56:59 | BigBambi_ | yep |
| 21:57:22 | bluebrother | BigBambi_: check RockboxUtility −− not much fixes, rather some improvements |
| 21:57:37 | BigBambi_ | yes, I'm just looking now |
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| 21:57:54 | BigBambi_ | Some are fairly important though IMO - e.g. new c200 OF |
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| 21:58:32 | BigBambi_ | Still, as Llorean says, it can be branched immediately before these changes if they prove to be an issue (I have confidence!) |
| 21:58:32 | * | gevaerts gets all sorts of weird issues |
| 21:58:43 | bluebrother | well, I could create an updated binary of rbutil with my changes and throw it at you guys for trying it out ;-) |
| 21:58:49 | BigBambi_ | sure |
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| 22:01:39 | domonoky | bluebrother: why are there changes to installbootloader.cpp in the patch ? i think this file isnt needed anymore ? :-) |
| 22:03:10 | bluebrother | domonoky: good point −− seems I forgot to svn rm that file. Will do. |
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| 22:06:49 | bluebrother | domonoky: ok, -10 uploaded which removed that file. |
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| 22:13:08 | bluebrother | ok guys, binary of my current rework state online. Please test bootloader installation and yell at me if something is broken :) http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/rbutil/rbutilqt.7z |
| 22:13:18 | domonoky | bluebrother: hm, isnt the unistall function in rbutilqt.pro missing the special case for the h10pure ? |
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| 22:13:32 | Alext1232 | hii? |
| 22:13:34 | BigBambi_ | bluebrother: Any targets in particular? |
| 22:13:36 | domonoky | s/.pro/.cpp |
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| 22:13:44 | BigBambi_ | Alext1232: We are still waiting for a question |
| 22:13:48 | Alext1232 | hahah sorry |
| 22:13:51 | Alext1232 | i was gettin irc |
| 22:14:05 | Alext1232 | thanks for waiting though :) |
| 22:14:16 | Alext1232 | so heres my question |
| 22:14:23 | Alext1232 | I have a sansa e200 |
| 22:14:33 | Alext1232 | and i have 2 cds that i ripped |
| 22:14:33 | bluebrother | BigBambi_: no. I tried several myself, but I hope other issues get revealed by more testers :) |
| 22:14:39 | BigBambi_ | OK, will do |
| 22:14:47 | bluebrother | domonoky: d'oh, missed that. |
| 22:14:51 | scorche|sh | Alext1232: please write complete thoughts in one line...it is much harder to read when you use the enter key as punctuation |
| 22:14:54 | Alext1232 | and some songs off those 2 cds arnt showing up in the database |
| 22:14:56 | BigBambi_ | Alext1232: Please don't use the enter key as punctuation, it makes it much harder to read |
| 22:15:07 | Alext1232 | ? I m not |
| 22:15:11 | BigBambi_ | You |
| 22:15:12 | BigBambi_ | are |
| 22:15:13 | scorche|sh | you are |
| 22:15:13 | BigBambi_ | It |
| 22:15:14 | scorche|sh | typing |
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| 22:15:14 | BigBambi_ | is |
| 22:15:17 | BigBambi_ | hard |
| 22:15:17 | BigBambi_ | to |
| 22:15:17 | scorche|sh | =P |
| 22:15:18 | BigBambi_ | read |
| 22:15:21 | BigBambi_ | etc. |
| 22:15:25 | Alext1232 | ohhhhhhh sorrrrry i got it |
| 22:15:54 | BigBambi_ | So you copied some songs over, initialised the database, and not all are showing up? |
| 22:16:00 | Alext1232 | ok well, soo random songs off of these 2 cds i ripped are not showwing up in my databse... and i have tried everythign |
| 22:16:03 | domonoky | bluebrother: wouldnt it be better to put this file and url setting in the bootloaderInstallBase Constructor ? (ofcourse then those classes need access to settings).. |
| 22:16:33 | Alext1232 | they show up in the files folders on the device, and on the native sansa firmware |
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| 22:17:31 | bluebrother | domonoky: well, my idea was to minimize dependencies to other classes, like the logger (done by signals) or settings |
| 22:17:53 | bluebrother | you could use an overloaded constructor that takes these values instead |
| 22:18:27 | bluebrother | and for the h10pure, my idea was to extend it later with setBlFile(QStringList) |
| 22:18:59 | domonoky | ah, jeah, it maybe better to leave it without depencies to settings.. |
| 22:19:02 | Alext1232 | whoop... i just fixed it |
| 22:19:30 | gevaerts | What changed? |
| 22:19:44 | bluebrother | gevaerts: magic? |
| 22:19:47 | Alext1232 | I just updated the tags on the mp3s... I literally just changed a letter of the artist |
| 22:20:30 | gevaerts | Do your mp3 files have embedded album art ? |
| 22:20:51 | Alext1232 | i dont think so |
| 22:21:17 | domonoky | bluebrother: from the irivertools folder, only the irver checksums are used ? (maybe move this files, and remove the dir completly) |
| 22:21:37 | domonoky | or perhaps move alle bootloader related files into a "bootloader" dir :-) |
| 22:22:29 | bluebrother | I was thinking about that too, but there's also this perl script to create the md5sums |
| 22:23:08 | Alext1232 | alright.. well thanks for all your help guys |
| 22:23:16 | bluebrother | still, making the folder structure cleaner is also something on my todo :) |
| 22:23:44 | domonoky | jup, i also want to seperate GUI from non-gui files.. |
| 22:23:44 | bluebrother | maybe move the script one folder up and modify it so it puts the output in the correct location |
| 22:24:30 | bluebrother | yeah, my idea was to create a gui/ and cli/ subfolder, and leave all shared stuff at its current place. |
| 22:25:42 | bluebrother | that way we could simply use the sub-src template for both variants, or use two pro files in the main folder |
| 22:25:45 | domonoky | but maybe also a core directory with subfolders like, "bootloader" "themes" ... may help to structure rbutil a bit.. |
| 22:26:22 | Ctcp | Ignored 2 channel CTCP requests in 6 seconds at the last flood |
| 22:26:22 | * | domonoky would like gui/ cli/ and core/ in the rbutilqt directory.. :-) |
| 22:26:22 | bluebrother | hmm. How about rbutilqt/core, rbutilqt/gui and rbutilqt/cli? |
| 22:26:28 | bluebrother | :D |
| 22:26:40 | domonoky | hehe |
| 22:26:55 | bluebrother | then require all files in core/ and cli/ to not include QtGui but only QtCore |
| 22:27:44 | bluebrother | shuffling the files around shouldn't be too hard −− and leave all stuff that's not cleaned up in the rbutilqt/ folder |
| 22:28:05 | domonoky | jup |
| 22:28:29 | domonoky | but thats for after the release... |
| 22:28:31 | bluebrother | maybe it would be good to finish the bootloader stuff, then start changing the structure |
| 22:29:07 | bluebrother | and introduce the cli folder even if it's empty. Then adjust your cli work and put it there ... |
| 22:30:12 | domonoky | thats a plan .. :-) |
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| 22:55:50 | pixelma | Bagder: did you already find the time to fix the voice links? n1s also noticed some other weirdnesses earlier |
| 22:56:29 | Bagder | I fixed some problems today that I think were related/causing this |
| 22:57:03 | Bagder | what other weirdnesses was that? |
| 22:57:21 | Llorean | saratoga: I know the S's CPU is faster at the same clock speed than the F, but if I recall current mpegplayer benchmarks don't show it being "tremendously" so. I'd imagine the video coprocessor would probably have to do more than just scaling, but I think it's designed specifically to handle certain common operations in video decoding anywya. |
| 22:58:44 | pixelma | Bagder: look at one of the daily build pages - the zip size is much smaller (missing .rock) and also the maps zip is missing |
| 22:59:13 | pixelma | log at 21:41 |
| 22:59:15 | Bagder | ah right, the local compiler was messed up so all locally compiled things were crap |
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| 23:54:33 | saratoga | Llorean: the peak performance of the S is much, much higher, though it requires code to be rewritten to take advantage of the vector fp unit |
| 23:55:13 | XavierGr | Llorean: But doesn't the Gigabeat S use lower clock speed than the maximum? |
| 23:55:34 | saratoga | 1 fixed point multiply-add on the F takes 6 cycles in the ALU, while S can do 2 fp multiply-adds every clock |
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| 23:56:15 | Llorean | XavierGr: Yes. My statement doesn't depend on that. |
| 23:56:17 | saratoga | peak throughput for multiply adds is something like 24 times higher on the S then the F |
| 23:56:37 | Llorean | saratoga: So with optimization the mpeg codec can be a lot faster? |
| 23:57:05 | saratoga | yeah I think so |
| 23:57:35 | saratoga | though i'm not that familar with the plugin so I could be wrong |
| 23:58:58 | XavierGr | Llorean: I just thought you didn't know and you assumed that the gain wasn't much with a comparison max to max |
| 23:58:59 | Llorean | Well, that's still more work than just "add scaling" which is what I wanted to suggest. |
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