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| 00:16:51 | Casainho | hello again :-) |
| 00:17:28 | Casainho | I have a question about RB bootloader: is really need to use RB kernel on bootloader? |
| 00:18:02 | Casainho | is possible to launch RB firmware without initialize RB kernel? |
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| 00:19:24 | Casainho | Bagder: are you there? |
| 00:19:26 | Bagder | you mean init the BSS or what is "initialize" in this context? |
| 00:21:16 | Casainho | Bagder: well, I have one bootstrap, I could have another bootloader like the RB one, but based on bootstrap... |
| 00:22:09 | Casainho | I would like to know if for launching RB firmware the important it to mount the FAT partition and read the RB firmware.... |
| 00:22:20 | Bagder | since the rb bootloader may get too big, why not stat with bootstrap loading the rb bootloader? |
| 00:22:25 | Bagder | start |
| 00:23:26 | Bagder | no, rockbox cannot have opinions from where you load it before you have started it |
| 00:23:39 | Casainho | yes, bootstrap loads bootloader.... but, the bootloader could be based on bootstrap code and not on RB bootloader code - and why? because bootstrap code is done, and maybe is simple to add it FAT library and ATA |
| 00:23:48 | Bagder | but putting it on the fat fs is how we do on all targets of today |
| 00:24:12 | Bagder | bootstrap is done sure but bootloader is done as well |
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| 00:24:52 | Casainho | bootloader is done not for this ARM at91sam9260 |
| 00:25:02 | Bagder | no, but for several other ARM based ones |
| 00:25:05 | Casainho | but bootstrap is |
| 00:25:13 | Bagder | yes, but that lacks a lot of other stuff instead |
| 00:25:31 | Casainho | stuff, as what? (sorry, I ignore) |
| 00:25:40 | Bagder | and we want bootloaders to share code with other bootloaders of course |
| 00:26:03 | Bagder | stuff like fat, display code, buttons |
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| 00:26:41 | Casainho | rockbox FAT library needs kernel running? or can run without kernel? |
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| 00:27:00 | gevaerts | It depends on the rockbox disk API |
| 00:27:07 | Casainho | saying in another way, could I use RB FAT library using the bootstrap? |
| 00:27:23 | Bagder | everything is possible |
| 00:27:37 | Bagder | the question is not that, the question is which is the sensible way |
| 00:28:00 | Llorean | Casainho: You may not be able to see it, but it makes more sense to adapt the existing Rockbox bootloaders than to try to adapt your bootstrap code. |
| 00:28:34 | Llorean | This is what they're trying to tell you. |
| 00:29:27 | Bagder | and you want that in the end anyway when you want your code to go into the rockbox code base |
| 00:30:19 | Casainho | okok - I think I understand −− but as I am not familiar with RB code (not even with much others), for me is almost the same −− thats why I am stuck with bootstrap, because it's done for this MCU and is well commented - this are advantages for me |
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| 00:30:45 | Bagder | so read that code and use all the info you gain there when you adapt the rockbox bootloader |
| 00:32:21 | Casainho | looks like the way to go....... |
| 00:32:35 | Casainho | then |
| 00:33:38 | Casainho | another question: does the RB firmware do again the system_init()??? |
| 00:33:58 | Casainho | or is not need since bootlaoder did that before? |
| 00:34:37 | Bagder | why does that matter? |
| 00:34:47 | Bagder | and btw: find . -name "*.c" | xargs grep system_init |
| 00:36:52 | Casainho | I just would like to understand... because bootstrat do system_init(), bootloader also.... so I was thinking if firmware also does |
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| 00:38:14 | Bagder | bootstrap is not rockbox code |
| 00:38:52 | Casainho | yes, I know, but it initializes also the system.... |
| 00:38:56 | Bagder | firmware can do it sure, in rolo etc |
| 00:40:22 | Casainho | I was asking for myself if every time there is like a jump over each code load stage, there is need to initialize the system −−- bootstrap -> bootloader -> firmware |
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| 00:41:04 | Bagder | everything initializes what it needs to |
| 00:41:23 | Bagder | and it usually depends on what it knows the prior stage did |
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| 00:45:03 | Casainho | thanks :-) −− I think I will dream with this CPU, I will sleep now −− If at least it was a feminine CPU :-) eheh :-) |
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| 00:58:13 | Dhraakellian | [2008-08-24 12:23:38] <saratoga> assuming you record to wav with the screen off, probably longer then playing music |
| 00:58:24 | Dhraakellian | I was thinking mp3 or wavpack |
| 00:58:52 | Dhraakellian | and I don't have a big enough microSD card to record 18 hours of wav |
| 00:58:52 | gevaerts | Dhraakellian: why not try all of them? That will give a lot more information |
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| 01:00:44 | gevaerts | How low can you set the quality? Is 11kHz 8 bit mono possible? |
| 01:02:13 | Dhraakellian | dunno |
| 01:02:33 | amiconn | On Sansa, recording only does 22.05kHz, 16 bit |
| 01:02:47 | amiconn | Selecting stereo/mono is possible |
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| 01:03:13 | gevaerts | So you'd need 3GB for an 18 hour wav recording |
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| 01:07:45 | n9xvt | hey i can confirm this one http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8659?pagenum=5 on my c240 |
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| 01:22:35 | Dhraakellian | hmm |
| 01:22:47 | Dhraakellian | if I cleared out a bunch of space on the internal storage... |
| 01:26:00 | kugel | linuxstb: Is there any reason why you didn't implement a function to read the current viewport? |
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| 01:29:25 | kugel | or any other way to make the current vp visible to the rest of the code |
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| 03:50:57 | kugel | JdGordon|zzz: j |
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| 03:51:37 | Segadude | hey guys I just installed an Ipod wizard theme and now I can't boot into rockbox! |
| 03:52:18 | Segadude | anyone here? |
| 03:52:39 | Segadude | hello? |
| 03:52:45 | advcomp2019 | Segadude, yea but hold on |
| 03:52:53 | Segadude | k |
| 03:53:27 | advcomp2019 | not everyone is at their computer and if they are they might not be looking |
| 03:54:02 | Segadude | yea ok |
| 03:54:18 | Segadude | did you see my problem above? |
| 03:55:41 | advcomp2019 | yes but since i do not have an ipod i am not sure |
| 03:56:22 | Segadude | ok |
| 03:56:43 | Segadude | should I ask on the fourm then? |
| 03:57:13 | advcomp2019 | you can stay here |
| 03:57:36 | Segadude | ok them |
| 03:57:39 | Segadude | then |
| 03:58:18 | Soap | did you do a Menu + Select hard reboot of the iPod? |
| 03:58:25 | Llorean | Segadude: Well, iPodWizard probably uninstalls the Rockbox bootloader |
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| 03:58:48 | Llorean | Since it modifies the original firmware partition, it's entirely reasonable that it might remove Rockbox in doing so, depending on how it does it. |
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| 03:59:13 | Segadude | this is the second theme and it didn't do that before. So should I reinstall the bootloader |
| 03:59:15 | Segadude | ? |
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| 03:59:26 | Segadude | soap: yes i did |
| 03:59:37 | _tweak | quick question: are you guys planning on porting over the bootloader to bsd? |
| 03:59:58 | Soap | then, Segadude, Llorean's suspicion is correct - it appears you no longer have the Rockbox bootloader. Reinstall it. |
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| 04:00:10 | Segadude | ok thats guys! |
| 04:00:16 | Llorean | _tweak: The bootloader is what you install onto the player. It wouldn't make sense to port it to BSD... |
| 04:00:16 | Segadude | thanks sorry |
| 04:00:30 | _tweak | Llorean, I meant the patch exe |
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| 04:01:05 | Llorean | _tweak: That's a vague statement. Please specify what program you're referring to, as there's a variety of ones for different players, as well as the general-purpose RBUtil that works for nearly all of them. |
| 04:01:15 | Segadude | brb let you know how it goes |
| 04:02:13 | _tweak | Llorean, for example: ipodpatcher.exe |
| 04:02:37 | Llorean | _tweak: Have you tried compiling a BSD version. I know it compiles for Linux at least. |
| 04:02:54 | _tweak | where can I find the source tree to pull it down? |
| 04:03:10 | Llorean | _tweak: Have you had a look around rockbox.org at all? |
| 04:03:38 | _tweak | Llorean, I read the manual |
| 04:04:00 | Llorean | Try visiting the wiki and scrolling to the for developers section. |
| 04:04:08 | _tweak | thanks |
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| 04:05:12 | JdGordon | kugel: ive got the flu... im not going ot be very helpful today |
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| 04:05:53 | kugel | JdGordon: the "j" message was an accident |
| 04:06:47 | _tweak | thanks; I found the subversion tree |
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| 04:11:51 | PhoReich | #rockbox-community |
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| 04:15:21 | kugel | JdGordon: Let me ask a question about my custom list patch. I'm not sure what to do about option_screen and derivatives (e.g. set_int). While option_screen accepts a parent, set_int does not. And I'm not really keen on passing a parent to set_int, because it's meant to be as easy as possible |
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| 04:18:01 | kugel | So, I've implemented a function (to the screen api) to read the current viewport, which will automatically be passed to option_screen in set_int, so that set_int will use the viewport of the previous screen. While this is very useful IMHO and can be possibly used for other stuff as well, I'm not really sure if it's "right", since a way to read the current vp from the apps code wasn't... |
| 04:18:03 | kugel | ...implemented in the first place by linuxstb |
| 04:19:12 | Llorean | kugel: He's just said he's got the flu. Why not post your concerns to the task, or try again when he's well? |
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| 04:36:10 | Segadude | hey guys I worked! Thanks! |
| 04:36:23 | kugel | If you feel well enough to answer, I'll read the logs, or post on the tracker. But don't hurry. I'm very sorry because of your flu and I hope you'll be fine as soon as possible again, good luck! |
| 04:36:36 | kugel | that was for JdGordon |
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| 05:03:05 | webguest43 | does anyone know how to use mediacoder 0.6.0 to convert videos fo a sansa e270 |
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| 05:04:42 | webguest43 | anybody can help? |
| 05:04:53 | advcomp2019 | webguest43, did you read the wiki |
| 05:05:14 | webguest43 | yeah...... |
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| 05:05:29 | webguest43 | but it keep converting to avi |
| 05:05:41 | ToHellWithGA | do y'all know of a good utility to download album art so that i can convert it to the appropriate .bmp format? |
| 05:06:01 | advcomp2019 | there is step there that you can follow |
| 05:06:50 | webguest43 | even when the rockbox extension is used it still does it |
| 05:09:04 | advcomp2019 | how about the other ones on the wiki? |
| 05:09:29 | scorche|sh | ToHellWithGA: that isnt really rockbox relates... |
| 05:09:55 | webguest43 | well... the winiff works well but the video quality isnt as great |
| 05:10:33 | scorche|sh | webguest43: then tweak the settings a bit...it also depends on your source video |
| 05:11:00 | webguest43 | so the preset extension isnt the best? |
| 05:11:09 | scorche|sh | i usually use winff |
| 05:12:13 | webguest43 | i converted the same video using the stock converter and played it on the sansa os and it played alot better so i wanted the same quality when using rockbox |
| 05:13:10 | webguest43 | i tried mediacoder but it keeps converting to avi even when i use the preset rockbox extension |
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| 06:01:36 | wpyh | anyone with a 30GB ipod 5.5g here? |
| 06:09:25 | cool_walking_ | I've got a 60GB 5G, and no headphones.. |
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| 06:45:05 | wpyh | hey, I think I've found it! |
| 06:45:29 | wpyh | the checksum at the end of the dfu files is actually part of the standard dfu suffix |
| 06:47:31 | * | wpyh wonders if anyone is still interested in the meizu players... :( |
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| 07:51:32 | mamoul | hey buddies |
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| 08:21:05 | mamoul | anybody awake? |
| 08:30:23 | LinusN | i am usually aways at this time of day |
| 08:30:26 | LinusN | awake |
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| 08:38:54 | mamoul | LinusN: :) |
| 08:39:12 | mamoul | is heresmetng special I have to do to get a language font and stuff |
| 08:39:23 | mamoul | I installed the extra fonts pack |
| 08:39:32 | mamoul | but I don't get any arabic showing on my player |
| 08:39:54 | LinusN | mamoul: in the browser or in the wps? |
| 08:40:19 | LinusN | i assume you have selected a font that has araboc characters? |
| 08:40:24 | LinusN | arabic, even |
| 08:40:33 | mamoul | well I selected the language |
| 08:40:41 | mamoul | but it showed blocks |
| 08:40:49 | LinusN | you also need to select a font that has arabic characters |
| 08:40:54 | mamoul | oh |
| 08:40:57 | mamoul | is it in the menu? |
| 08:41:07 | LinusN | in the theme settings |
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| 08:42:53 | mamoul | ok I'm trying different ones |
| 08:42:57 | LinusN | looks like only Unifont and helvR12 have arabic characters |
| 08:43:05 | mamoul | ooh |
| 08:43:11 | mamoul | is there a quick way to see |
| 08:43:19 | LinusN | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UnicodeFonts |
| 08:43:53 | mamoul | wow that is incredible |
| 08:43:57 | mamoul | it even goes from right to left lol |
| 08:44:02 | mamoul | unlike my gnome-terminal >_> |
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| 08:44:56 | mamoul | lol theme options actually says "theem" |
| 08:45:06 | mamoul | rockbox is like the best thing ever |
| 08:45:27 | LinusN | mamoul: if you find errors in the translations, please let us know |
| 08:45:44 | amiconn | Speaking about fonts... |
| 08:45:49 | amiconn | markun: ping |
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| 08:46:48 | mamoul | LinusN: thanks if I spot anything I will try but since I'm not fluent I can't be sure at the moment |
| 08:47:28 | LinusN | mamoul: thanks |
| 08:49:20 | mamoul | unicode is really handy |
| 08:49:31 | mamoul | I can't imagine life without it |
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| 08:54:27 | capiscuas | can anybody tell me the steps to try rockbox in my Creative Zen Micro ? |
| 08:54:35 | capiscuas | officially rockbox does not support it |
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| 09:15:27 | capiscuas | anybody has tried to use Creative Zen with rockbox?? |
| 09:18:02 | scorche|sh | capiscuas: rockbox does not work on that target, as the front page shows |
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| 10:16:14 | earHurts | anyone run rockboxdev.sh lately? |
| 10:16:19 | B4gder | yes |
| 10:16:43 | earHurts | estimate only,howlong doesit taketobuildalltargets? |
| 10:16:57 | earHurts | sorry, bad space bar |
| 10:17:12 | B4gder | depends on your host, but on a reasonable linux < 1 hour |
| 10:17:45 | earHurts | ah, not so bad then; I'm building it on an eee901 |
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| 10:26:57 | * | B4gder reruns rockboxdev.sh |
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| 10:31:19 | earHurts | Oh, it's no biggie. Just trying to guage how how unerpowered this 901 is. |
| 10:32:27 | B4gder | well, I need to run it to repair my cross-compiler |
| 10:34:57 | B4gder | done! |
| 10:35:04 | B4gder | (for m68k) |
| 10:35:49 | earHurts | hmmph |
| 10:35:55 | earHurts | :; |
| 10:35:58 | earHurts | ;) |
| 10:38:11 | * | petur figures an 901 will need some time ;) |
| 10:38:35 | earHurts | yeah |
| 10:39:20 | earHurts | I did it once, but binutils didn't download. So it went through the whole build, for nothing |
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| 10:49:35 | * | B4gder is done with the sh one and now goes for the mips one too just for completeness |
| 10:52:13 | earHurts | what about arm? |
| 10:52:27 | B4gder | I already had that done |
| 10:52:41 | earHurts | oh |
| 10:56:00 | earHurts | just starting arm,just finished m86 |
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| 11:09:47 | B4gder | hm, the mipsel build failed |
| 11:10:22 | B4gder | but I'll ignore that for now |
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| 12:04:29 | XavierGr | gosh, translating rbutil will need a lot of work :O Fortunately linguist is a nice and easy to use tool |
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| 12:11:45 | mcuelenaere | wpyh: have you read my previous statements? |
| 12:12:02 | XavierGr | is the rbutil source downloaded competely from an svn checkout? |
| 12:13:01 | mcuelenaere | B4gder: where/how exactly does the mipsel build fail? |
| 12:13:13 | mcuelenaere | XavierGr: AFAIK yes |
| 12:14:38 | XavierGr | mcuelenaere: I get some errors from qmake that it can't find the qm lang files so I assumed that I don't have all the files needed, but maybe I have to do something first |
| 12:15:04 | mcuelenaere | XavierGr: have you read the RBUtilityDevelopment wiki page? |
| 12:15:21 | mcuelenaere | I believe it requires you to do a certain command to publish the qm files or similar |
| 12:15:33 | mcuelenaere | qrelease I think |
| 12:16:04 | mcuelenaere | lupdate and lrelease* |
| 12:16:21 | mcuelenaere | XavierGr: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtilityDevelopment#How_to_Translate |
| 12:16:22 | XavierGr | ah yes just did that, now it doesn't complain |
| 12:16:26 | XavierGr | yeah i was reading that |
| 12:16:48 | XavierGr | i just thought that the languages already translated had the qm files in the souce already |
| 12:17:50 | mcuelenaere | I'm not sure about that, perhaps it's a part of the building process.. |
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| 12:30:04 | JdGordon | kugel: getting the current viewport probably isnt a good idea.... and set_int is supposed to be being deprecated anyway |
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| 13:57:02 | vitja | linuxstb, hi |
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| 14:31:42 | Casainho | Bagder: hello :-) −− do you know any possible RB developr that whould like to develop the Rockbox Player, If I offer the developmetn board? |
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| 14:36:49 | B4gder | consider asking that yourself, on for example the -dev mailing list and/or in the forums |
| 14:37:09 | B4gder | I don't know of any right now |
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| 14:43:00 | wpyh | mcuelenaere: yes, I saw them now... |
| 14:43:10 | wpyh | I also didn't find a checksum |
| 14:43:27 | wpyh | but did you try replacing a string and see whether it still works? |
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| 14:49:03 | Casainho | B4gder: thanks :-) |
| 14:51:25 | Casainho | B4gder: you know "bluebrother" guy? - I would like to get his contact... I think he may be interested, at least yestarday he says somtething about |
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| 14:53:13 | B4gder | yes we know him, he's a regular here and in the project |
| 14:54:05 | Casainho | nice −− where can I find his contact? maybe a PM on forum? |
| 14:54:18 | B4gder | he joins here basically every day so you'll catch him soon enough, I don't know how often he reads the forums |
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| 14:55:24 | Casainho | okok - with PM normaly we get an e-mail... but okok, I will search him |
| 14:56:01 | Casainho | I may donate my actual development board and other materials.... - no, I will not desist, simple I can buy another after :-) |
| 14:56:12 | Casainho | thanks :-) |
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| 15:05:30 | MarcGuay | Howdy folks. Anyone have an opinion on the definition of a "New Port"? I've always assumed it to mean there was half-functioning code in the tree - not simply a lot of research (re: Sansa v2) |
| 15:06:18 | B4gder | I think it is "an ongoing effort to make a new target run Rockbox" |
| 15:06:31 | B4gder | so I think "just" research is enough |
| 15:06:35 | MarcGuay | B4gder: So more to do with current activiy than progress? |
| 15:06:39 | B4gder | yes |
| 15:06:49 | * | MarcGuay tips his hat |
| 15:06:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | Makes sense... |
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| 15:11:20 | B4gder | progress is very hard to judge as there can go long time with seemingly no progress and then all of a sudden you manage to knit a pattern from all the loose ends |
| 15:11:58 | B4gder | and with several of the modern targets, the research is a lot of rather tedious and hard work |
| 15:12:01 | LambdaCalculus37 | B4gder: Would the Gigabeat S port be a good example of that? |
| 15:12:54 | B4gder | I think so, even if I can't say I've followed the beast closely myself |
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| 15:24:40 | B4gder | so cowon has revealed a what dapreview claims to be a D2 successor, called S9 |
| 15:24:58 | B4gder | http://www.dapreview.net/news.php?item.4316.5 |
| 15:25:57 | petur | dual core 500MHz and 40 hours battery life ??? |
| 15:26:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | And according to the article, it's also a successor to the X5. |
| 15:26:14 | LambdaCalculus37 | Guess that means we won't be seeing the iAudio X7 any time soon. |
| 15:26:28 | B4gder | no mention of storage sizes |
| 15:27:07 | B4gder | I find it funny that they mention the 500mhz dual core in the marketing |
| 15:27:23 | B4gder | I mean, who really cares about that? |
| 15:28:13 | B4gder | but it makes me curious what cpu it is |
| 15:28:44 | * | LambdaCalculus37 wonders too |
| 15:30:10 | B4gder | "Dynamic Dictionary" must be a killer feature ;-P |
| 15:30:15 | XavierGr | I saw that new target too, I wonder why they don't say its capacity |
| 15:30:36 | gevaerts | "Dynamic Dictionary"? Does that mean it makes up a definition if it can't find one? |
| 15:30:39 | XavierGr | if it is a spacious one it would be a very good one me things |
| 15:30:47 | XavierGr | \thinks too |
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| 16:37:51 | kugel | linuxstb: Hey. Is there any specific reason why you didn't implement a way to read the current viewport by e.g. apps/ code? |
| 16:40:35 | kugel | Slasheri: ping |
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| 16:52:20 | Slasheri | kugel: hello! |
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| 16:58:25 | kugel | Slasheri: ahh, I didn't expect you to answer |
| 16:58:46 | kugel | I tried to reach you several times the last weeks. Anyway, I've got a question about the sort tag patch |
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| 17:00:01 | Slasheri | kugel: sorry, I have just had too much other work to do.. |
| 17:00:02 | kugel | it seems to cause database instabilities, like songs disappear randomly from the database without doing anything. I don't know why. It seems to happen no matter if the sort tags are actually used or not |
| 17:00:48 | Slasheri | kugel: interesting, i will check the patch if i can see something causing that |
| 17:00:58 | kugel | Slasheri: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7287 |
| 17:02:20 | kugel | Slasheri: I *guess* it has something to do with memory. My guess is that I've added 4 tags to the tagcache (it says committing 1/13 etc at database building), but I haven't modified memory allocation or the like |
| 17:03:16 | Slasheri | kugel: you shouldn't need to modify allocations as long as those tags are properly defined. maybe that exposes some other problem inside the tagcache |
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| 17:04:06 | kugel | Slasheri: Ah ok. Could it also have something to do with "Load to RAM"? I always have this enabled, but I didn't try without |
| 17:04:38 | Slasheri | if possible, please try also without that |
| 17:04:48 | Slasheri | what kind of instabilities did it cause? |
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| 17:08:48 | kugel | a) songs disappeard from the database. The database initialized properly, but as the time passes, songs dissappear. When a album had 20 songs, it had only 17 after some days, and they won't come in until reinitialization b) songs disappear while browsing the database, but reappear after a reboot c) the database needs to reinitialized noticeably more often due to "database not ready" |
| 17:08:59 | kugel | generally, the database is rendered useless |
| 17:10:30 | Slasheri | interesting.. so something is corrupting the db |
| 17:10:50 | Slasheri | it could help to run the code through simulator to see all db error messages |
| 17:11:09 | Slasheri | at a quick look, i don't see any problems with the patch |
| 17:11:34 | kugel | when I made the patch, the sim didn't show errors. Although, I've tested it with way less music files |
| 17:12:22 | Slasheri | i could also try loading the db from the player to the simulator to see what kind of corruption is inside the db |
| 17:12:25 | Slasheri | *you |
| 17:12:27 | saratoga | is the plan to branch the SVN code at the end of the feature freeze, or does the freeze end right as the release comes out? |
| 17:13:04 | kugel | saratoga: I guess it depends on the plans for 3.1 |
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| 17:13:28 | B4gder | saratoga: we've discussed branching at the end of the freeze |
| 17:13:39 | B4gder | and spend a little time cleaning up things in the branch for the release |
| 17:13:41 | kugel | If 3.1 will only be a bug fix version, the freeze might stay for a little longer |
| 17:13:51 | kugel | or that ;) |
| 17:14:19 | n1s | Slasheri: any idea what could cause FS #9315 ? |
| 17:15:33 | Slasheri | n1s: at first i would guess the metadata parser failing on a file |
| 17:16:37 | n1s | ok, i'll ask him to try to figure it out |
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| 17:17:18 | n1s | which file makes it happen if that's the case that is |
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| 17:44:46 | Deosil | Hello |
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| 17:45:06 | Deosil | I have a quick question if you guys don't mind |
| 17:45:24 | advcomp2019 | Deosil, we can not read minds |
| 17:45:39 | Deosil | I have an Ipod color w/rockbox installed, want to know if i can tell it to turn the display OFF when in hold mode, rather than just turning the backlight off |
| 17:45:44 | Deosil | To save batteries |
| 17:46:38 | Deosil | The manual didn't give an option to do that |
| 17:46:53 | Deosil | So I'm guessing it is not possible |
| 17:47:01 | Deosil | Welp? |
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| 17:48:42 | Deosil | anybody out there? |
| 17:49:33 | Deosil | Thanks for the help guys! |
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| 17:49:51 | virtuoso015 | wow, that was quick |
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| 17:55:06 | ELSock | hello |
| 17:56:23 | kugel | Slasheri: I've noticed another instability. Sometimes, the database browser doesn't show the entries properly. E.g. instead of <song> <time>, it shows /path/to/a/different/song.mp3 |
| 17:56:51 | ELSock | i've got 2 issues if anyone could help |
| 17:57:19 | virtuoso015 | u have to tell what the issues are |
| 17:57:38 | ELSock | #1 everytime i click on my music the under files, the message directory buffer full! comes up and #2 i now have this message |
| 17:57:43 | ELSock | *panic* |
| 17:58:02 | ELSock | updating size on empty dir entry 42 |
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| 17:58:52 | * | kugel hopes Slasheri is still here |
| 17:59:11 | ELSock | not to mention i had the hardest time getting my ipod to turn back on |
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| 18:00:53 | gevaerts | ELSock: try checking the filesystem for errors |
| 18:01:27 | ELSock | i can't get it to shut off, to get past the *panic* screen |
| 18:02:20 | kugel | Slasheri: I'm also getting codec errors sometimes, also when not even using the database, but the filebrowser |
| 18:02:20 | amiconn | Reset the ipod, and enter diskmode manually on boot |
| 18:04:00 | kugel | Slasheri: Interesting enough, I'm not able to reproduce in the sim (no unexpected behavior and no error messages) BUT the sim isn't able to find my album art! |
| 18:04:21 | LambdaCalculus37 | ElSock: Hold MENU+SELECT until it reboots. |
| 18:04:24 | ELSock | ok i entered disk mode, but i get the ok to disconnect screen |
| 18:04:35 | LambdaCalculus37 | Now connect it to your PC. |
| 18:04:45 | ELSock | connected |
| 18:06:06 | LambdaCalculus37 | Now scan the disk for errors. |
| 18:07:55 | ELSock | ok ... |
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| 18:08:11 | ELSock | like look through the files myself or tell the computer to scan the drive? |
| 18:09:10 | virtuoso015 | computer |
| 18:10:11 | ELSock | ok i right clicked on the ipod, went properties, tools, error check |
| 18:12:53 | LambdaCalculus37 | No no no. |
| 18:13:14 | LambdaCalculus37 | Open the Command Prompt (Start > Run > cmd). |
| 18:13:32 | LambdaCalculus37 | Then type chkdsk /f at the prompt. |
| 18:13:47 | gevaerts | Not chkdsk /f <driveletter:>? |
| 18:14:03 | ELSock | ok |
| 18:14:10 | ELSock | drive letter is L |
| 18:15:04 | LambdaCalculus37 | Then type chkdsk /f L: |
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| 18:17:21 | ELSock | it says chkdsk not available for raw drives |
| 18:17:47 | gevaerts | interesting... Can you open the ipod in explorer? |
| 18:19:45 | ELSock | in windows to see the files? |
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| 18:20:19 | LambdaCalculus37 | Yes. |
| 18:20:24 | ELSock | then yes i can |
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| 18:24:43 | ELSock | it seems as though the crowd is stumped? |
| 18:25:16 | virtuoso015 | :) |
| 18:25:54 | gevaerts | ELSock: I'd say try the GUI check way (what you were going to do earlier before LambdaCalculus37 interrupted you so rudely :), to see if that gives the same errors |
| 18:26:58 | ELSock | gui? |
| 18:27:12 | virtuoso015 | graphic user interface |
| 18:27:26 | virtuoso015 | meaning the right-click , error check thing |
| 18:28:10 | ELSock | you know i consider myself a big computer nerd, i can pull 'em apart put together, fix 'em, tell ya whats broken (usually) if i can't fix 'em... but forsome reason this is kick my a$$ |
| 18:28:53 | virtuoso015 | by the way, its not graphic .. its graphical :P |
| 18:29:19 | ELSock | so back through explorer, tell windows to check for errors.. this is the plan? |
| 18:29:27 | gevaerts | yes |
| 18:29:47 | XavierGr | ELSock: raw drive tells me that your ipod disk is unformated, but that can't be true if you can see and open its disk from explorer... |
| 18:30:24 | virtuoso015 | probably, something else is corrupted ?? |
| 18:30:26 | ELSock | here i am thinking i just needed to sautee it till a nice golden brown... and no more raw |
| 18:30:37 | XavierGr | maybe if you backup your data and try to format it to FAT32? |
| 18:30:50 | ELSock | theres nothing on it that i need to back up |
| 18:30:51 | kugel | Slasheri: ping :) |
| 18:31:06 | * | gevaerts looks angrily at format-happy people |
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| 18:31:45 | ELSock | i understand the "don't always need to format" but being that i have nothing worth saving cause its essentiall a copy of the music on my pc, i can just wipe it and start over |
| 18:31:50 | XavierGr | gevaerts: I am not format-happy I just remember an occasion where windows was reporting wrongly a disk unformatted (raw) |
| 18:33:08 | ELSock | ok i'm gonna set it to fat32 to give that a try... but i'm not getting any file system options when i try to format through explorer |
| 18:34:11 | XavierGr | ah yes |
| 18:34:33 | XavierGr | you need an external application because windows xp won't let you format to fat32 a disk larger than some gigabytes |
| 18:34:37 | XavierGr | try swiss knofe |
| 18:34:40 | XavierGr | knife too |
| 18:35:02 | ELSock | ah ha... and by that i mean lame |
| 18:35:08 | ELSock | any takers on the app to use? |
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| 18:35:20 | XavierGr | swiss knife, it is free |
| 18:36:02 | XavierGr | I think that there is a cryptic command line to format disks in fat32 through windows too, but I don't remember that comand |
| 18:36:21 | ejlilley | greetings @ wpyh |
| 18:36:34 | ejlilley | (if he's here...) |
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| 18:38:43 | ELSock | downloading swiss knige |
| 18:38:45 | ELSock | knife even |
| 18:38:58 | ELSock | why is that word so hard to type... knife |
| 18:40:46 | ELSock | downloaded installed, and running shortly |
| 18:42:02 | ELSock | full format to fat32 in process |
| 18:42:33 | XavierGr | I hope that you are doing a quick format (if the app asked for it) |
| 18:42:44 | XavierGr | otherwise it could take some time |
| 18:43:24 | ELSock | ok lemme specify how much it didn't do |
| 18:43:31 | ELSock | it did nothing |
| 18:43:47 | XavierGr | still you get the same error? |
| 18:43:53 | ELSock | ran full format of the drive to fat 32, and hey would ya look at that, the ipod didn't change |
| 18:44:05 | ELSock | didn't format anything, didn't remove anything |
| 18:44:45 | XavierGr | what do you mean? the disk has files in it still? |
| 18:44:59 | ELSock | yeah all of 'em |
| 18:45:33 | XavierGr | wow |
| 18:45:44 | XavierGr | something's dogdy then |
| 18:45:49 | ELSock | yeah a little bit |
| 18:46:22 | XavierGr | maybe try a linux format utility just to be sure that the OS isn't to blame |
| 18:46:30 | XavierGr | have you ever tried gparted? |
| 18:46:39 | ELSock | nope |
| 18:46:53 | XavierGr | an overkill I know, but just to be sure that your hardware is faulty and not something else |
| 18:46:56 | pixelma | do you have admin rights, opened the command prompt with admin rights? (Though I get "access denied" when I try chkdsk without...) |
| 18:47:32 | ELSock | i'm the admin on the computer |
| 18:47:56 | XavierGr | ELshock: another little windows app for formatting is fat32format |
| 18:48:17 | XavierGr | but I think that will be unlikely to fix your issue, I am not sure what to say |
| 18:48:33 | ELSock | Gnome Partition Editor |
| 18:48:39 | ELSock | ? |
| 18:51:51 | XavierGr | yes |
| 18:51:56 | XavierGr | it's a live cd |
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| 18:54:13 | ELSock | so not something i can download |
| 18:56:14 | XavierGr | the fat32format utility can be downloaded and be run in windows (check the site). Gparted is a downloadable image cd that you can burn and boot your pc with it |
| 18:57:05 | ELSock | ah |
| 18:57:11 | ELSock | fat32format didn't work.. |
| 18:57:26 | ELSock | it just flashed a command window and vanished |
| 18:57:57 | XavierGr | I guess you must run it via cmd and type the command it needs |
| 18:58:03 | XavierGr | check the site for details on that |
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| 19:03:28 | ELSock | command prompt, ran the format32 program, and plugged ipod back in, and its lookin for itunes to restore it |
| 19:03:39 | gevaerts | ELSock: are you really sure L: is the correct drive letter? |
| 19:04:13 | ELSock | yeah |
| 19:04:22 | ELSock | comes up with my ipod name and everything |
| 19:04:31 | ELSock | well did till the format worked |
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| 19:05:51 | ELSock | now its completely empty |
| 19:06:19 | ELSock | so do i have to restore it before i re-intall and patch rockbox? |
| 19:06:25 | ELSock | and copy my music back |
| 19:06:49 | gevaerts | The firmware partition _should_ still be fine, so you only need to reinstall the .rockbox directory |
| 19:09:32 | ELSock | ok cool |
| 19:09:38 | ELSock | i'll let ya know how this works out |
| 19:09:47 | ELSock | 2and half hours till music copy is done |
| 19:10:19 | gevaerts | I'd try it first with just a bit of music |
| 19:11:48 | ELSock | it worked when i had 5000 songs on it |
| 19:12:15 | ELSock | then i wiped it all out, and added those 5k plus 3k more and it got angry with the directory buffer being full |
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| 19:12:36 | XavierGr | yes but did you try to see if it works after this format? |
| 19:12:48 | ELSock | ah no... |
| 19:12:53 | ELSock | :( |
| 19:12:55 | ELSock | scared |
| 19:12:58 | ELSock | heheh |
| 19:13:27 | XavierGr | try just in case, no point in copying all this music only to find out that it doesn't even boot to rockbox |
| 19:13:53 | ELSock | true |
| 19:14:19 | linuxstb | kugel: A way for apps/ code to read the current viewport didn't seem necessary - the apps code sets the viewports in the first place, so should know what they are. I haven't read all the logs yet (I've been away for the last few days), so don't know why you need it... |
| 19:16:04 | ELSock | good call... its lookin for that restore |
| 19:16:18 | ELSock | won't do a thing till restored |
| 19:17:04 | ELSock | restored and estarting |
| 19:17:09 | ELSock | restarting even |
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| 19:19:45 | ELSock | i think my issue was... atleast i hope my issue was that i had updated and reverted the rockbox firmware like 8 times |
| 19:19:49 | ELSock | without removing it |
| 19:20:02 | ELSock | then add 3k worth of files on top and Kaflooey |
| 19:21:00 | gevaerts | You mean unplugging without safe removal procedures? |
| 19:21:40 | ELSock | no... |
| 19:21:49 | ELSock | without removing or unsitalling old firmware |
| 19:21:57 | ELSock | i was so confused for a second right there |
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| 19:22:06 | gevaerts | That should never cause anything like this |
| 19:22:20 | ELSock | oh... well then i have a lame ipod |
| 19:25:15 | ELSock | its already since formating and reinstalling and stuff its already giving the impression of running alot smoother |
| 19:25:41 | ELSock | and it sounds like its not accessing the hdd as much as it used to either |
| 19:25:57 | ELSock | i put one folder on and now the rest i guess |
| 19:26:15 | ELSock | thx for all the help guys... i'll let ya know if anything goes wrong or if this was a triumph |
| 19:26:49 | ELSock | one last thing... safest way to shut down is just to hold play/pause till it says shutting down... is that correct? |
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| 19:27:34 | gevaerts | Yes |
| 19:28:27 | ELSock | thanx again |
| 19:29:17 | kugel | linuxstb: I needed it in my custom list patch. set_int doesn't take a viewport and it was always drawn in the custom list viewport. But if the screen before was fullscreen, this was bad |
| 19:29:24 | ELSock | gevaerts and xaviergr you guys rock... thx and to all else who helped... i appreciate it |
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| 19:30:00 | kugel | and to avoid passing a parent to such an easy-as-possible function, I decided to use the viewport of the previous screen |
| 19:30:09 | pixelma | speaking of viewports - why can one chose shades of grey on greyscale targets but not black or white on monochrome to have inverted parts? |
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| 19:31:01 | kugel | linuxstb: But now JdGordon told me that set_int is to be deprecated anyway, so this problem wouldn't really exist |
| 19:32:19 | linuxstb | pixelma: I think you can just use the drawmode to draw inverted text. But I guess that drawmodes aren't available in the wps, if that's what you're thinking... |
| 19:33:14 | pixelma | I was just thinking about viewports declaration in the WPS |
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| 19:34:43 | pixelma | from a user's point of view |
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| 19:35:10 | linuxstb | amiconn: (answering your question from #rockbox-community) - No, there are no viewports in the charcell WPS, I didn't think it was worthwhile. I'm pretty sure I mentioned it here when deciding not to do it. So you think they're useful? |
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| 19:35:42 | amiconn | Yes I do |
| 19:36:01 | amiconn | This way you could e.g. a playtime besides a scrolling text (title, whatever) |
| 19:36:28 | amiconn | Or make a full-line progressbar smaller than full-line, placing something else besides it |
| 19:36:31 | gevaerts | Indeed. That would be very useful on that screen |
| 19:36:33 | linuxstb | It should just be as simple as removing the #ifdef LCD_BITMAP - the driver code is there. |
| 19:37:02 | * | gevaerts expects that it would also involve just a bit of testing ;) |
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| 19:38:06 | amiconn | And a bit of coding too - the full-line progressbar isn't prepared for variable line length |
| 19:38:14 | pixelma | how would the dimension specification work there? |
| 19:38:22 | pixelma | number of characters? |
| 19:38:36 | linuxstb | Yes, the LCD driver implements viewports as numbers of characters. |
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| 19:49:03 | amiconn | pixelma: There's a similar question regarding theming: Why can you choose foreground, background, and selector colours on colour targets, but not greylevels on greyscale targets? |
| 19:49:35 | amiconn | Maybe someone wants the selector using just a light grey bar and black text, instead of the default black bar with white text? |
| 19:49:58 | * | Llorean thinks that'd actually look decently nice. |
| 19:50:41 | amiconn | There's some more things to be themed, btw, e.g. fg & bg of splashes |
| 19:50:59 | pixelma | true, this was even "prepared" in the langv2 rework (not excluding "set foreground" strings etc. for greyscale) |
| 19:51:16 | * | amiconn wonders how many of these things should be settings though, and which ones should only be part of a general theme file |
| 19:51:54 | amiconn | If every single selectable colour would become a setting, that'd soon end in a big mess imo |
| 19:52:03 | ToHellWithGA | scorche|sh: i think it could be rockbox related |
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| 19:52:46 | ToHellWithGA | if the rockbox utility provided a means to utilize or generate the database it would take a bit of load off of the device while it is fully portable and not plugged in |
| 19:54:10 | Llorean | amiconn: I tend to agree. I think most "theme" settings don't need a menu entry, instead having a preference for well-formed theme files being the preferred/only way to change most of them (especially viewport dimensions as we get more into that) |
| 19:54:38 | ToHellWithGA | i still have not found a source for album art other than taking it from amazon.com's (often off color / low contrast / aribtrarily sized) scans |
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| 19:55:01 | ToHellWithGA | do y'all know of a better place to look for album art to accompany my music besides scanning my leaflets myself? |
| 19:55:21 | Llorean | ToHellWithGA: "Where to get album art" belongs more in -community. |
| 19:55:32 | ToHellWithGA | Llorean: #rockbox-community? |
| 19:55:53 | Llorean | Yes. |
| 19:55:56 | ToHellWithGA | thanks |
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| 19:58:17 | pixelma | linuxstb: I didn't fully understand your statement about drawmodes. Are you saying it wouldn't be easily possible to have (WPS) viewports on monochrome screens which use white as foreground and black as background? |
| 19:59:26 | amiconn | pixelma: The mono LCD drivers don't have a concept of foreground and background colours |
| 19:59:48 | amiconn | Foreground is always black, and background is always white (inverse on mr100 of course) |
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| 20:00:06 | amiconn | So in order to get white-on-black, you need DRMODE_INVERSEVID |
| 20:00:38 | pixelma | hmm, how about having an "inverted" flag for viewports then? |
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| 20:02:02 | pixelma | basically just for completeness but I think it could give some nice new possibilities |
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| 20:18:21 | bertrik | does anyone know where how the reset is triggered when plugging in USB on sansa? |
| 20:18:39 | amiconn | rasher: Regarding your UnicodeFonts page - do you think we should list "Latin extended A" support as well? That one's important for quite a few languages |
| 20:19:09 | rasher | amiconn: Err, I list all ranges |
| 20:19:25 | amiconn | ? |
| 20:19:36 | rasher | ! |
| 20:19:43 | * | amiconn is referring to http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/UnicodeFonts |
| 20:19:56 | rasher | Ah. That's hardly my page |
| 20:20:24 | rasher | I've done a single minor edit on it |
| 20:20:41 | amiconn | Ah, ok. r1 is from markun |
| 20:20:53 | gevaerts | bertrik: what do you mean? |
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| 20:22:15 | bertrik | I meant the reboot on USB plugin |
| 20:22:20 | amiconn | rasher: Are you generating those stats automatically? |
| 20:22:30 | amiconn | rockfont-8 is missing altogether, btw |
| 20:22:50 | gevaerts | bertrik: the reboot is done by try_reboot() in firmware/usb.c |
| 20:23:12 | rasher | Many fonts are missing |
| 20:24:07 | * | rasher updates rasher.dk/rockbox/fontstats/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/fontstats/ |
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| 20:25:36 | rasher | Maybe a matrix would be useful there as well |
| 20:25:43 | bertrik | I noticed a forum thread and a bug report about sansas not always resetting on usb plugin |
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| 20:26:19 | amiconn | bertrik: That's a long-standing bug, and it's all PP502x targets, not only sansas |
| 20:26:27 | bertrik | how clean is the reboot anyway, does everything get shut down nicely? |
| 20:26:54 | bertrik | or maybe it's not resetting because of a missing ack from a subsystem |
| 20:28:03 | bertrik | I wonder, if the reboot is not reliable, maybe we shouldn't even try it and just display a splash instead |
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| 20:29:00 | amiconn | I think it's related to the code that distinguishes an usb charger from real usb |
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| 20:29:43 | amiconn | Before that, the reboot worked reliable, and firewire plugin (which uses the same code for the reboot) always reboots properly, both on PP5002 and on PP502x targets which support firewire |
| 20:31:46 | bertrik | hmm sounds like a bug worth fixing before 3.0 :) |
| 20:33:43 | amiconn | The usb detection code seems to do its job (as it wouldn't go into the usb screen when it only detects a charger), but it looks like it might overwrite something (stack overflow? out of bounds access somewhere?) |
| 20:34:28 | gevaerts | I doubt it, as it's exactly the same code for rockbox usb, and that never seems to have problems at that point |
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| 20:39:32 | Ubuntuxer | Hi |
| 20:40:19 | mamoul | hi |
| 20:40:26 | Ubuntuxer | I would like to know wheter Doom2 Freedome is better than doom1 shareware |
| 20:40:34 | mamoul | would you like a cookie |
| 20:40:41 | rasher | What kind of encoding is mix12.bdf? ISO10646-1? |
| 20:40:57 | rasher | I should probably just assume that, and see if the results make sense |
| 20:41:00 | LambdaCalculus37 | Ubuntuxer: That's not the kind of question to ask here. |
| 20:41:18 | Ubuntuxer | ok |
| 20:41:21 | Ubuntuxer | sorry |
| 20:42:53 | amiconn | rasher: Btw, rocbox_default is actually ISO8859-1, even though CHARSET_REGISTRY and CHARSET_ENCODING say something else |
| 20:43:34 | * | rasher makes a note of that |
| 20:43:40 | bertrik | amiconn, so probably not a detection issue, but do you think the reboot procedure is unreliable, or is it possibly never properly called? |
| 20:43:46 | amiconn | On a related matter: do you think we should update our copy of unifont to the latest official unitfont? That font is continuously bein gimproved |
| 20:44:33 | rasher | I don't see any reason not to. It should be a trivial update with only good effects |
| 20:44:41 | bertrik | I think there is a patch for unifont on the tracker, but IIRC somehow the new version is much bigger than the current version |
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| 20:47:53 | Llorean | bertrik: Working USB reboot is one thing on my wishlist for 3.0. I'm really hoping someone comes up with a way to make it reliable for the release version |
| 20:49:40 | Zambezi | I rsync albums to /mnt/ipod but some albums is added as an album and some without and just the files. How come? |
| 20:50:10 | Llorean | Zambezi: What do you mean by "as an album" |
| 20:50:18 | Llorean | rsync will just be copying files and folders. |
| 20:51:50 | gevaerts | Is the PP reboot issue still deterministic within one build? i.e. if it reboots once, it will always reboot? |
| 20:52:24 | Zambezi | Llorean: I added like Blalbla-My.album. And in /media/ipod there's only 01-blabla.myalbum and upto like 10. |
| 20:52:30 | gevaerts | If so, one (pretty dirty) way of getting a "good" 3.0 in that regard is just try until we have one that works, and then don't touch it anymore |
| 20:53:01 | * | gevaerts thinks that Zambezi's latest sentence doesn't make this much clearer |
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| 20:54:02 | pixelma | gevaerts: I think it is but it differs from target to target, one version that always reboots on a c200 doesn't necessarily work on an Ipod (IIRC, but I only have one PP target to test with) |
| 20:54:08 | Llorean | Zambezi: I have to agree with gevaerts, I still have no idea what you're talking about. |
| 20:54:38 | Llorean | If you're talking about rsync not copying all your files, this really has very little to do with Rockbox, and everything to do with rsync, something you may wish to contact its maintainers about. |
| 20:55:10 | pixelma | gevaerts: just what I've been told |
| 20:55:22 | Zambezi | gevaerts, Llorean: I added a folder with mp3-files to /media/ipod, but in /media/ipod (the mountpoint for iPod), there's just the mp3-files added, without it's folder. |
| 20:55:37 | Zambezi | its |
| 20:55:45 | gevaerts | Zambezi: look at the rsync documentation again. |
| 20:55:52 | Llorean | Zambezi: Sounds like something completely unrelated to Rockbox then... |
| 20:56:27 | Zambezi | gevaerts, Llorean Good. I just used -rvP or something. I'll check again. |
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| 21:05:50 | J-23 | Hi! Does Rockbox support USB communication and provide access to USB devices for plugins? |
| 21:07:35 | gevaerts | It doesn't. For one thing rockbox doesn't do usb host (yet?), so nothing in rockbox can access other usb devices. For device-side communication, allowing plugins to implement additional device classes might be useful at some point, but we're certainly not there yet |
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| 21:08:21 | J-23 | thanks |
| 21:09:14 | J-23 | So what does code in firmware/usb.c, firmware/usb.h and firmware/usbstack/ do? |
| 21:09:29 | gevaerts | That's all device side |
| 21:09:41 | J-23 | ok... |
| 21:10:06 | gevaerts | Currently there's mass storage and serial (although serial doesn't fully work) |
| 21:10:48 | J-23 | so why Rockbox restarts to original firmware for USB storage on some devices? |
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| 21:11:37 | gevaerts | Because the usb code isn't entirely done yet |
| 21:12:10 | Llorean | gevaerts: Speaking of that, besides disabling it for the e200/c200, USB would make a good candidate for the post-release feature merge wouldn't it? |
| 21:12:13 | gevaerts | See http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PortalPlayerUsb for details |
| 21:12:39 | gevaerts | Llorean: possibly, with maybe a debug menu item to disable it |
| 21:13:53 | gevaerts | Llorean: that's one of the patches I was thinking about. Others may be sansa charging (unless it's done really soon) or risky title case experiments |
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| 21:15:09 | * | amiconn wouldn't want to enable USB for the public without having it work at least in the majority of cases |
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| 21:15:46 | Llorean | amiconn: That's the thing though, after 3.0 one could readily argue that "current builds" are development targets, not as intended for widespread public use. "testing" builds, as it were. |
| 21:16:33 | Llorean | gevaerts: I think USB, Sansa Charging, Multifont, and Viewport List all fall in the category of having a chance at being ready for widespread testing in the period after 3.0 |
| 21:16:54 | gevaerts | Ah yes, I missed those two |
| 21:17:07 | amiconn | There's more stuff that can be done |
| 21:17:24 | amiconn | But even with a proper relase, I think the current builds should stay mostly usable |
| 21:17:33 | J-23 | Why there is no release labeled "current"? |
| 21:17:48 | Llorean | amiconn: I'd say that USB is "mostly usable" in that you can always reboot if necessary. |
| 21:17:49 | gevaerts | J-23: what would that mean? |
| 21:18:01 | Llorean | amiconn: It's at least as "mostly usable" as Recording crashing when you leave the screen. |
| 21:18:05 | J-23 | "There is no "current" release, get a current build instead." |
| 21:18:23 | Llorean | J-23: Because the last release was 2.5, and that's only for the Archoses? |
| 21:18:25 | amiconn | hmmmmm |
| 21:18:32 | gevaerts | J-23: long story. The important thing is that there should be one in a few weeks |
| 21:18:50 | Llorean | J-23: We hope to have a current release again by mid-August. |
| 21:18:52 | amiconn | Llorean: Recording crashes? |
| 21:18:59 | gevaerts | Llorean: that soon? |
| 21:19:00 | Llorean | amiconn: Well, not "crash". It prevents playback? |
| 21:19:08 | Llorean | gevaerts: September |
| 21:19:09 | * | Llorean cannot type |
| 21:19:20 | amiconn | Ah that. This should be fixed before release, I'd say |
| 21:19:23 | Llorean | I don't make single-letter typos any more. I make single-word typos. |
| 21:19:55 | Llorean | amiconn: I'd really like it to be, but it's another one of those things that I wouldn't hold back release for. I'd rather just hide any sign of recording functionality if it's not fixed, and push it out like that. |
| 21:20:05 | amiconn | I know what happens (bug in the repsective wolfson drivers), but I wanted to talk to jhMikeS about this. |
| 21:20:38 | amiconn | I'd like to know why the other wolfson driver where recording works (H10) does things so different |
| 21:21:10 | Llorean | amiconn: Besides, once 3.0 is out, we can get away with turning on USB, seeing if we get any new or useful feedback, and if it turns out to be too problematic for the public, turning it off again. |
| 21:21:34 | amiconn | The problem is that audiohw_disable_recording() simply disables the whole codec |
| 21:21:40 | Llorean | I think having a "release" build for people to fall back to gives us a lot more freedom with actually *trying* things instead of keeping them on the backburner forever. |
| 21:21:52 | Llorean | amiconn: That would be bad... |
| 21:22:02 | amiconn | it *is* bad |
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| 21:22:50 | amiconn | It should switch back to dac mode |
| 21:23:51 | J-23 | How can I help with deprecated strings in language files? Are there any deprecated strings in Polish language file? |
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| 21:29:50 | pixelma | what do you want to do with deprecated strings? |
| 21:30:23 | J-23 | one of minor bugs to fix before release is removing deprecated strings from lang files |
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| 21:37:17 | pixelma | that needs to be done in english.lang first (probably all at once) and you can't do that before |
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| 21:58:41 | advcomp2019 | kolega, do not do that again |
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| 21:59:11 | kolega | hey i have a question |
| 21:59:38 | stripwax | kolega - feel free to ask it |
| 21:59:41 | kolega | a long time ago i had installed rockbox on my ipod 5.gen |
| 21:59:49 | kolega | with an rockbox installer |
| 22:00 |
| 22:00:14 | kolega | but now i'd find the rockbox installer |
| 22:00:45 | gevaerts | You want the thing called Rockbox Utility or rbutil |
| 22:01:03 | * | bluebrother doesn't see a problem here |
| 22:01:16 | * | stripwax isn't sure he got the question part yet |
| 22:01:31 | kolega | i dont now the name of the "tool" but now i cant find the tool on the rockbox page |
| 22:01:59 | swimmer | s/tool/utility/ and you found what you want ;-) |
| 22:02:26 | gevaerts | It should be linked from the manual |
| 22:02:34 | * | gevaerts checks. Indeed it is |
| 22:02:44 | * | bluebrother is rather sure that mentioned tool wasn't anything official |
| 22:03:54 | kolega | hey thank you i've found it! |
| 22:03:57 | kolega | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility ;-) |
| 22:04:16 | bluebrother | we know about its location ... |
| 22:04:33 | bluebrother | as this is the official installer |
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| 22:41:49 | Casainho | bluebrother: hello :-) −− did you get my private msg? |
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| 22:49:13 | amiconn | rasher: Somewhat related to the font stats - am I right in thinking that bdf doesn't allow to go beyond U+FFFF? |
| 22:50:16 | rasher | amiconn: I don't actually know |
| 22:51:02 | amiconn | Well, the specs don't mention it explicitly. They just say ENCODING <integer> |
| 22:51:20 | amiconn | But e.g. gbdfed is limited to 16 bit encodings |
| 22:51:33 | rasher | Interesting |
| 22:52:44 | amiconn | http://www.adobe.com/devnet/font/pdfs/5005.BDF_Spec.pdf |
| 22:54:29 | gevaerts | It's unlikely to hurt us anytime soon though |
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| 22:54:36 | amiconn | Aha: http://osdir.com/ml/fonts.freetype.user/2007-12/msg00013.html |
| 22:57:04 | rasher | Yeah, the SMP is pretty uninteresting |
| 22:57:36 | rasher | Unless someone plans a translation to ancient greek or something |
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| 23:00:20 | pixelma | linuxstb: I just noticed a small problem with %xd while updating my old WPSs - I had one %xdg immediately followed by a word. Now the parser took the first letter of the word as definition of a bitmap strip part (though that image wasn't declared as a bitmap strip one, of course). Guess this is usually no problem though... |
| 23:01:37 | linuxstb | pixelma: Hmm... |
| 23:01:44 | pixelma | I mean, it won't happen to often that someone wrote wps code like this |
| 23:01:48 | pixelma | *too |
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| 23:03:16 | pixelma | not sure if it's worth it to prevent this |
| 23:04:58 | bluebrother | Casainho: just replied to your PM on the forums |
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| 23:05:48 | Casainho | okok - I will read :-) |
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| 23:12:00 | linuxstb | pixelma: I can't think of an easy solution... I wouldn't have expected people to put images and text on the same page - is that needed? |
| 23:12:38 | Llorean | linuxstb: Add a line to the CustomWPS page telling people not to do it? |
| 23:13:06 | rasher | amiconn: would it make sense for convbdf to ignore characters for ISO10646-1 (unicode) fonts which fall in unused areas? |
| 23:14:07 | amiconn | You mean the latest unifont has the same glyph defined verbatim for those? |
| 23:14:13 | rasher | It seems so, yes |
| 23:14:18 | amiconn | urgh |
| 23:14:20 | pixelma | linuxstb: as I said, I don't think that'll happen too often and there are ways around it by the code writer (and I can't remember anyone complaining about that yet so far). It's probably not worth it to take care of all possibilities. |
| 23:14:29 | pixelma | it was just a bit surprising |
| 23:14:30 | rasher | Maybe it would be nicer to write a tool that strips these from bdf files |
| 23:14:44 | rasher | I wonder what possessed them to do this though |
| 23:15:02 | amiconn | yeah |
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| 23:15:17 | amiconn | And btw, I wonder why they've set the defaultchar to 32 (space) |
| 23:15:38 | rasher | That seems like a weird decision as well |
| 23:15:49 | amiconn | Several fonts are doing this though |
| 23:16:24 | amiconn | The best choice would be U+FFFD iiuc, but due to our current .fnt format this wouldn't be wise for most fonts |
| 23:16:53 | * | amiconn chose <nul> in rockfont because of this |
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| 23:18:21 | rasher | Yeah, FFFD seems like The Right Thing |
| 23:18:32 | rasher | Of course, that'd make all (binary) fonts balloon in size |
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| 23:19:16 | amiconn | Yes, unless my idea of a glyph table gets implemented |
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| 23:20:07 | rasher | Indeed. |
| 23:20:28 | * | amiconn thinks that filler glyph should be stripped, detecting it by its bitmap pattern |
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| 23:21:32 | rasher | amiconn: That seems too specific. Better to check if the character is in a defined space |
| 23:22:01 | amiconn | Well, some defined spaces also have holes |
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| 23:22:23 | rasher | Sure? |
| 23:22:30 | amiconn | Yes. Check e.g. http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U0370.pdf |
| 23:22:32 | gevaerts | Couldn't you check against the existence of a name for the character? |
| 23:23:09 | rasher | amiconn: Ah right. I forgot all about this |
| 23:23:47 | rasher | I guess we're doomed |
| 23:24:27 | rasher | Well, apart from recognising the filler character |
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| 23:31:24 | * | rasher is on it |
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| 23:43:41 | amiconn | oh |
| 23:43:47 | * | amiconn is fiddling with perl too |
| 23:43:54 | rasher | Got something now |
| 23:43:55 | gevaerts | competing implementations? |
| 23:44:05 | rasher | Who has the fewest lines! |
| 23:45:18 | rasher | http://pastebin.ca/1184677 This seems to work |
| 23:45:49 | rasher | Use as ./script.pl < input.bdf > output.bdf |
| 23:46:04 | rasher | Although there seems to be another filler char |
| 23:46:32 | * | amiconn didn't come that far yet, but tried a slightly different approach |
| 23:46:43 | amiconn | Using an array for storing the char |
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| 23:53:40 | amiconn | Seems to work too. http://pastebin.ca/1184683 |
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| 23:55:42 | rasher | This removes both filler characters: http://pastebin.ca/1184686 |
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| 23:56:14 | rasher | Let's see how the results compare |
| 23:56:38 | * | amiconn adds a counter |
| 23:58:39 | rasher | oh heh, we need to edit the CHARS field as well |
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