#rockbox 2008-08-30

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#rockbox log for 2008-08-30

00:01:37		Quit Strogg (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
00:01:40	domonoky	bertrik: maybe there is something in wpseditor which needs Qt 4.4 ?
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00:03:43	bertrik	domonoky, I don't know, is 4.3.4 already too old?
00:04:46	amiconn	Are there any opinions on whether we should drop the alt8x8 font?
00:05:50	amiconn	It's currently broken (glyph numbering messed up), but even when repairing that it's in no known encoding (only roughly resembling KOI8-R), and it's not usable atm, neither in svn nor in repaired form
00:06:13	domonoky	bertrik: Qt4.4 is pretty new, but for example 4.4 supports more pixel formats for Images.. and i think wpseditor uses one of this new formats (rgb565 i think, like the tragte does)
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00:06:38	domonoky	s/tragte/target/
00:06:44	gevaerts	bertrik: can you run checkwps on those wpses?
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00:08:59	amiconn	It would be possible to manually convert the thing to unicode, but is it worth it?
00:09:14	krz	gevaerts: log shows that wps was parsed successfully
00:09:34	gevaerts	krz: here it runs fine on wpses that I know are ok (the ones in the official build), and it segfaults on wpses that are rejected by checkwps
00:10:54	bertrik	I get ERR: Failed to load image 26 - /home/bertrik/rockbox/wps/cabbiev2.128x128x16/lock-128x128x16.bmp
00:12:37	domonoky	bertrik: you should remove the dimensions when you take a wps from svn, or else the dir name wont fit.. (normally the build system does this for you)
00:13:45	domonoky	ie the wps file should be named cabbiev2.wps ..
00:14:21	bertrik	ok, compiling for h10...
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00:16:43	bertrik	ah, it works for me now when I open a wps from a rockbox.tar.gz
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00:25:43	amiconn	Slasheri: The virtual tags are now shifted by one. Is this correct?
00:27:30	Slasheri	amiconn: yep, that shouldn't matter
00:27:38	amiconn	ok
00:27:39	Slasheri	those virtual tags aren't stored anywhere
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00:32:34	MXIIA	I am trying to run the ROckBox Utility and I get "could not open ipod" how can I chmod my ipod?
00:33:57	domonoky	MXIIA: are you running it as root/admin ?
00:34:07	MXIIA	No,
00:34:16	MXIIA	I can through sudo though
00:34:25	domonoky	jup, try it..
00:34:30	MXIIA	ok
00:34:46	domonoky	it needs root rights for raw disk access..
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00:39:17	MXIIA	Does Complete install install the ROMs for pacman and doom?
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00:39:59	gevaerts	No
00:40:07	MXIIA	Ok, thanks
00:40:07	*	madspin chuckles at this prime example of linux amazingness
00:40:13	madspin	[skiy@localhost ~]$ rmdir helper.pl
00:40:13	madspin	rmdir: helper.pl: Not a directory
00:40:13	madspin	[skiy@localhost ~]$ rm helper.pl/
00:40:13	DBUG	Sent KICK madspin to server
00:40:13	madspin	rm: cannot remove directory `helper.pl/': Is a directory
00:40:13	Kick	(#rockbox madspin :No flooding!) by logbot!n=bjst@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-0abfcee92fa3e95f
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00:40:26	gevaerts	You get the pacman roms from the pacman machine in your basement, and doom doesn't use roms :)
00:41:06	gevaerts	I think you can get doom datafiles on the Extras tab though
00:41:42	domonoky	complete install, installs the free doom wad file.. .
00:42:28	MXIIA	Ok thanks... I don't know why I didn't use the Utility the first time... It is waaay easier
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01:07:32	charliee	Is there a known issue with the latest builds on the iRiver H120/140? Everything.s fine the first time I try and play anything, but if I restart the player all I get is 'codec failure' errors and nothing plays until I overwrite the .rockbox directory (totally vanilla install, latest bootloader etc.).
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01:15:15	XavierGr	charliee: flash install or dual boot install?
01:15:27	charliee	flash install
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01:15:45	XavierGr	so no official firmware in your device?
01:15:51	charliee	nope.
01:16:10	XavierGr	how do you start rockbox, from disk, flash or rom?
01:16:33	charliee	ROM by default
01:17:49	XavierGr	if anything than disk you should run rombox.iriver and rockbox.iriver through iriver_flash.rock
01:18:07	domonoky	and you did update the rom image with the new version ?
01:18:22	XavierGr	exactly
01:18:35	XavierGr	in order to do that though you have to start rockbox from disk
01:18:53	XavierGr	in order to make sure that you are running the new firmwre that you updated
01:19:07	XavierGr	then you can boot from what you were booting before
01:20:00	XavierGr	domonoky: for an rbutil translation: do you need only the qm file or the ts file too?
01:20:08	XavierGr	(or do you prefer a patch)
01:21:06	domonoky	only the ts is needed.. a patch with all changes would be nice :-)
01:21:44	Unhelpful	hrm.... i have a full battery_bench run w/ the gigs_charging patch, and it reads 100% for the whole six-hour run :/
01:22:11	XavierGr	domonoky: ok I hope to finish the translation on the weekend, I will let you know
01:22:30	domonoky	XavierGr: nice..
01:22:42	XavierGr	Unhelpful: voltages?
01:22:56	Unhelpful	4113 down to 3620
01:23:11	Unhelpful	presumably the shutoff was hardware, if RB thought the battery was full the whole time
01:23:14	XavierGr	by gigs_charging patch you mean jhmikes latest charging patch for the Gigabeat S?
01:23:22	Unhelpful	indeed
01:23:57	Unhelpful	fs#9312, gigs-charging-code.diff
01:24:14	XavierGr	Unhelpful: I don't think so, the shutoff is triggered by voltage and not percent IIRC
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01:24:57	_emp	I found an issue with the build process between rbutilqt and rbspeex
01:25:13	XavierGr	Unhelpful: your bench at least isn't a waste. You got valid results for voltage
01:25:26	domonoky	_emp: tell me :-)
01:25:52	Unhelpful	anything useful i can do w/ it now?
01:26:04	_emp	domonoky, I will dump the issue into a pastebin for you. One sec.
01:26:23	Unhelpful	i also notice that plugging my won't-turn-on-dead player in immediately puts battery % in the 80-90 range
01:26:24	XavierGr	Unhelpful: so either battery_bench made something wrong with the percent or jhmikes charging patch did something on it
01:26:55	XavierGr	Unhelpful: did you set the battery amperage in rockbox settings?
01:27:19	XavierGr	Unhelpful: can you pastebin the benchmark?
01:28:10	Unhelpful	it's @ the default, which iirc is supposed to be correct for a stock gigs, of 700maH
01:29:08	Unhelpful	ok, there's definitely something fishy, here. battery% goes from 89->100 on unplug.
01:29:14	_emp	domonoky, http://pastebin.com/d2ea5f081
01:29:31	XavierGr	Unhelpful: you could update the benchmark with your results on the gigabeatruntime wiki page
01:29:41	XavierGr	and note about the error on the percentage
01:29:53	Unhelpful	explains the battery_bench, at least. i should see if reverting the charging patch changes that behavior.
01:29:54	Unhelpful	will do
01:30:05	_emp	brb
01:30:41	XavierGr	Unhelpful: yeah reverting and testing would be good just to be sure that it's not battery_bench's fault
01:31:48	XavierGr	Unhelpful: interesting though, I got 6 hours too on default battery on Gigabeat S
01:32:59	XavierGr	Unhelpful: is yours new? I was pretty dissapointed by my benchmark but my beast was used so I am not sure about its battery
01:33:10	domonoky	_emp: it should trigger the next rule: librbspeex$(ARCH).a, because ARCH should be empty. But maybe it isnt on your system ? ...
01:33:12	XavierGr	now I have a new 1000mAh which I must test at some point
01:33:29	Unhelpful	mine's used-and-frankenstein'd
01:33:47	Unhelpful	S60 w/ an S30 motherboard, due to broken USB on the original
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01:38:57	domonoky	_emp: the rule with the $(OUT) in the Makefile of rbspeex is only for building universal binarys on mac... so check, if perhaps ARCH is defined on your system. if it is we should change its name :-)
01:39:16	_emp	arch will come back as amd64
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01:40:21	domonoky	so thats the problem. rename all ARCHs in the Makefile, (to perhaps RBARCH) and it should work..
01:43:14	toffe82	Unhelpful: S30 and S60 board are the same
01:43:52	Unhelpful	are they? iirc the SInfo states that only S60 has radio, but i don't know if that would be hardware or firmware difference
01:45:21	toffe82	I have s30 with radio
01:45:24	Unhelpful	the main point i'm making is that it's all used, and i don't know precisely how old any one component is. and if that 1000mAh replacement is good, i'll want to know where it came from...
01:45:45	Unhelpful	toffe82: hrm. GigabeatSInfo wrong, then?
01:46:24	toffe82	Unhelpful: or I am wrong, I mess with so many board of s30 and s60 ;)
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01:54:31	Unhelpful	confirmed, reverting fs#9312 fixes it. w/ fs#9312, battery reads correctly until first plugged in, then always 100% after plugged in. battery debug lists state as "discharging" at first, but then "error" after it's been unplugged.
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01:56:32	_emp	my mistake, I figured out what was going wrong
01:57:34	jac0b	if I did the fdisk for the gigabeat s once do I have to do it again if I did a recovery?
01:59:17	Unhelpful	jac0b: very likely yes. it should be quite obvious, as linux won't see any partitions if you need to do it.
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02:00:21	_emp	I'm not changing directories correctly
02:00:23	jac0b	yeah it doesn't notice it and when I try to fdisk it says unable to open
02:00:54	Unhelpful	unable to open? you're running fdisk as root, right?
02:01:07	jac0b	oh I have to sudo
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02:01:17	Unhelpful	or alternatively giving your user write access to the block device, i guess
02:02:29	*	jac0b DUH! (knocks himself in the head)
02:02:42	jac0b	thanks Unhelpful
02:02:56	Unhelpful	welcome
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02:33:42	Unhelpful	so, if i want to use DEBUGF to see what's happening here, where does the debug output go? is there a way to get it into a file, or a ringbuffer that can be dumped to a file, or something?
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04:07:23	kugel	just got a "Closing Link: 127.0.0.1 (Banned)" from freenode
04:08:14	swimmer	you're still here :)
04:11:59	kugel	I reconnected Internet, and now it works
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04:15:10	Unhelpful	ok, if i'm reading debug.c right, DEBUGF can't do anything for me on the target
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04:27:32	_emp	finally, got the compile stuff to work; just needed to use qmake4. However, now, I have to add Q_OS_OPENBSD to autodetection.cpp, so I have to learn qt. This will take a while.
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04:31:03	Unhelpful	it's pretty decent, as GUI frameworks for relatively low-level languages go... says somebody who gets uncomfortable any time he's looking at code that's not in python.
04:31:10	jac0b	do I have to do anyhting to get the RB bottloader usb mode to work on the gigabeat S?
04:32:49	Unhelpful	jac0b: just have the USB plugged in at the right time. if it's plugged in at startup, the bootloader should go to USB mode, and wait until you unplug or eject to try to boot rockbox
04:34:16	jac0b	yeah but I am getting a "file not found" error so I am trying to make sure the .rockbox folder is there
04:34:28	_emp	Unhelpful, so it's not bad?
04:35:11	Unhelpful	_emp: mostly, no, it's not. if you're used to high-level, dynamic languages, it's probably as comfy as anything for C++ can be.
04:36:10	_emp	I typically just stick to ksh, C, and assembler; the only OOP I have messed with is ruby
04:37:28	Unhelpful	heh, you might not feel too much at home with it, then.
04:39:01	Unhelpful	it looks like most of the stuff you'll need to mess with isn't all that OO, if we're just talking about autodetection.cpp
04:39:45	Unhelpful	probably be ablet to reuse many of the Q_OS_LINUX bits
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04:40:14	Unhelpful	or occasionally the MACOSX ones, i suspect
04:41:35	Unhelpful	just looking at getMountpoints, and the functions used for each version, i'm guessing there that the MACOSX will mostly work as-is for BSD... or at least the getmntent man page suggests so.
04:42:21	_emp	Unhelpful, so far that is how it's working out; just have to double check at lot of stuff and check out qt functions.
04:42:50	_emp	Q_OS_MACX is following pretty much the BSD conventions
04:44:13	Unhelpful	is there other OS-specific stuff, outside autodetect.cpp? it looks like almost all of the stuff inside is related to mountpoint enumeration. you may even be able to just add a test for Q_OS_OPENBSD to the Q_OS_MACX segments
04:45:16	_emp	Unhelpful, my compile failed with autodetect.cpp, so I'm working through this first, and then I'll worry about the rest.
04:46:05	_emp	once I get this done, then I can actually start to contribute something worthwhile.
04:46:18	kugel	_emp: you're using BSD? You're welcome to contribute to make it work better on this system
04:47:24	_emp	kugel, I'm submitting patches as I get stuff to work. I have ipodpatcher working, but it's a hack for now. And I can make fullzip and zip. But I'd like to get rbutilqt working as well. I just don't know qt. I'm using openBSD.
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05:03:57	Unhelpful	_emp: at least within autodetection.cpp, i'd say you probably don't really need to know Qt, just tweak the MACX or LINUX versions to fit BSD correctly
05:04:39	_emp	Unhelpful, finished with autodetection.cpp, encodersgui.cpp, and just tweaked tts.cpp
05:05:17	Unhelpful	fantastic, should be a big help for people on BSD to be able to install the "nice" way
05:05:50	_emp	it's not that easy, there are difference between freeBSD and openBSD. netBSD is the closest to openBSD.
05:07:10	_emp	now, I need some help debugging syntax errors
05:08:07	_emp	http://pastebin.com/d57cb81f4
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05:10:38	Unhelpful	have you modified that file?
05:11:28	_emp	nope
05:12:46	Unhelpful	huh. unfortunately, not a very precise error message :/
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05:13:50	_emp	if(!QDir(QDir::tempPath()+"/rbvoice/").exists())
05:14:04	_emp	is that + right? not really good with C++
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05:18:56	Unhelpful	_emp: very hard to say. C++ allows you to overload operators, so that they can "work" on your classes. if QDir::tempPath() is some sort of stringlike object, it's quite likely that a + -> concatenation operator is implemented.
05:19:44	_emp	that was my first thought, and I'm looking at the info on qt's website. Not a lot of help: http://doc.trolltech.com/4.3/qdir.html#tempPath
05:22:24	Unhelpful	that's enough help, it returns a QString, and QString supports concatenation w/ char *, returning a new QString, via + operator.
05:23:19	Unhelpful	and then a QDir is instantiated from that string, and presumably exists() amounts to "does this object exist"
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05:24:56	_emp	it's just checking to see if the directory exists, if not, it makes it. just trying to figure out why it's breaking
05:25:11	*	_emp reading Qstring
05:25:56	Unhelpful	that's where i'm stuck. i don't see any obvious syntax error, but it could be due to a missed include, or such.
05:30:12	_emp	I don't see anything either; gonna go eat, and come back and check it out. I have updated: autodetection.cpp, encodersgui.cpp, and tts.cpp for openBSD, so I'm not that far off. I just need a break.
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06:35:51	Dhraakellian	when I try to use mkvid-ffmpeg.sh, it complains about Unknown codec 'libmp3lame'
06:36:11	Dhraakellian	I did change the command in the script to use mp3
06:36:40	Dhraakellian	Kubuntu 8.04, using ffmpeg from the medibuntu repo, which should have mp3 support built in
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06:40:19	Dhraakellian	hmm... mencoder needs libmp3lame
06:40:28	Dhraakellian	not "mp3"
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06:58:43	allele	does rockbox have function built in for scaling images?
06:59:19	reacocard	allele: if you mean for album art, no.
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07:00:11	Unhelpful	there's a patch on flyspray, iirc?
07:01:26	Unhelpful	http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5697?histring=resize
07:01:33	Unhelpful	unsupported, of course.
07:03:07	allele	no, I meant for plugins. I figure it wouldn't make much sense having the same image in multiple sizes
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07:09:54	allele	does rockdoom use scaling for the sprites?
07:10:24	Unhelpful	i would assume so. it's probably rolled into the rendering engine, though.
07:12:50	allele	fair enough, I'll see how it works without it and if it needs it I'll figure something out
07:13:16	_emp	Unhelpful, I finally got this things built after patching: autodetection.cpp, encodersgui.cpp, tts.cpp, voicefile.cpp, and sansaio-posix.c
07:13:49	Unhelpful	_emp: sweet. what was the fix in voicefile?
07:14:39	_emp	one sec, let me build a diff for it
07:16:00	_emp	http://pastebin.com/d7086de90
07:17:17	Unhelpful	huh. i can't imagine why you get an error if you don't use a temp variable.
07:18:26	_emp	Unhelpful, this is all I could find: http://lists.trolltech.com/qt-interest/2003-12/msg00329.html
07:18:31	_emp	so I gave it shot
07:18:42	_emp	scroll to the very bottom
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07:22:26	Unhelpful	...but, but, you're instantiating an object, and then calling a member function, already. the only thing you changed is storing the instantiated object in a temp var. it makes no sense. at least it works, though.
07:23:03	_emp	hey, I'm new to cpp; I'm okay with C and assembler, but this is new for me.
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07:23:34	_emp	so this installs to /usr/local/bin
07:23:54	_emp	?
07:23:58	Unhelpful	the return from the QDir constructor is an instance. whether you stuff it in a variable, or just call the method directly, should not make any difference afaik
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07:24:34	Unhelpful	it's like C giving you an error for calling func1(func2(n)) instead of doing x = func2(n); func1(x)
07:24:38	_emp	no idea; when I learn cpp better, then I'll have a better answer
07:25:03	_emp	it could be a bug with gmake
07:25:22	Unhelpful	more likely a compile bug, i'd say...
07:25:37	Unhelpful	compiler, rather.
07:25:58	_emp	I'll look into it.
07:26:33	Unhelpful	eh, you don't have to fuss any over it. i just can't figure out what your fix fixes.
07:30:47	_emp	will I got it to run
07:30:51	_emp	well*
07:31:04	_emp	gonna test it out
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07:31:31	_emp	autodetect works
07:31:58	_emp	getting themes works
07:32:47	_emp	looks to be working
07:33:20	_emp	just installed a theme
07:34:53	_emp	get pdf manual and html manual in browser works
07:35:32	_emp	nice
07:36:03	_emp	it depends on qmake4, gmake, and ccache
07:38:32	_emp	so I have gmake fullzip, gmake zip, ipodpatcher, and rbutilqt "ported" to openBSD
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09:42:30	Tomers	Hello there, I read the TWikiRegistration page, and I would like to be given Wiki write permissions, in order to help Rockbox. Is there anyone here who can start this procedure with me?
09:44:56	pixelma	what is your wiki name? And what what you like to contribute?
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09:51:58	pixelma	^Tomers?
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10:48:25	Tomers	My Wiki name is TomerShalev. I would like to add info on how to use 'setup.exe -X' during Cygwin installation in order to bypass the signature check. See http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/9263
10:48:49	Tomers	pixelma: I'm sorry for being offline for some time now... I had to go for something
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10:56:45	bertrik	Tomers, I think I give you write access to the wiki. Tomer Shalev is your real name, right?
10:57:10	Tomers	Yes. Tomer Shalev. thank you!
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11:05:07	bertrik	Tomers, sorry for the delay, I think it should work now
11:07:36	Tomers	Thanks! It works!
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11:12:12	Tomers	I've updated that page (http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment), and the tracker issue (http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9263) accordingly.
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11:18:05	linuxstb	Tomers: Could you perhaps explain _how_ to supply the -X option to setup.exe ?
11:19:15	Tomers	There are two options: 1. Got to command line (Start->Run->Cmd), then type 'setup.exe -X' in the appropriate directory.
11:20:04	*	gevaerts guesses that linuxstb meant "on the wiki"
11:20:40	linuxstb	Tomers: I did. And assume the user knows nothing about command-line programs in windows...
11:20:42	Tomers	2. Create a Windows shortcut, and edit it, adding the -X parameter. On my computer: "C:\setup.exe" -X
11:21:07	rasher	amiconn: what?
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11:21:22	linuxstb	Tomers: Don't give two options - it just confuses. Just go with one, and be explicit about all the steps needed.
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11:23:40	Tomers	The novice user will have to create that shortcut, which is not an easy task for a novice user. Read what Cygwin developers has to say about it: "we apologise for the pressure of time and
11:23:41	Tomers	manpower resources that has not allowed us to develop more user-friendly
11:23:43	Tomers	features initially, and would like to work with package repository
11:23:45	Tomers	maintainers to improve the usability of future versions of setup.exe for
11:23:47	Tomers	them and their users. Please direct suggestions for improved mechanisms,
11:23:49	Tomers	bug-reports, and (especially!) offers of help to the cygwin-apps list"
11:24:24	linuxstb	I always take the view that "novice" != "stupid" - just tell them what to do, and they can do it.
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11:25:32	cfp	Hello all !
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11:27:45	Tomers	OK. Do we agree on asking the users to create a shortcut with -X ? This is what I wrote on the wiki ("This can be added into the command-line invocation in a Windows shortcut, for convenience.") Please offer a different phrasing, if you have one, as my native language is not English :-)
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11:29:39	Unhelpful	i would not assume that windotws users will be CLI-competent, so the shortcut is probably the solution that will work best. OTOH, windows users planning to do much w/ cygwin will at least have to become competent w/ CLI...
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11:31:56	cfp	Has anybody tested my #9325 patch ?
11:34:15	n1s	Unhelpful: re: logs my S30 also has radio
11:36:36	Unhelpful	n1s: interesting. should the wiki be corrected, then?
11:36:59	n1s	i think so
11:38:05	Unhelpful	my 60GB S30 appears to have radio, as well.
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11:40:33	linuxstb	Tomers: Could there be an easier way - e.g. offering a ".bat" file for download that the user saves to the same folder as setup.exe, which then calls "setup.exe -X" ?
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11:48:18	amiconn	rasher: Will you commit the reencoded fonts?
11:48:33	*	amiconn repeats his question from almost 12 hours ago
11:48:59	amiconn	I.e. shall we remove the alt8x8 font? It's currently broken in multiple ways
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11:49:29	amiconn	Also, the ter-u14v and ter-u16v are dupes (of ter-u14b and ter-u16b)
11:51:38	amiconn	Hmm, they're not exact dupes, although they look like it
11:52:20	bertrik	amiconn, I know very little about fonts, but if it's seriously broken and there's not many themes that use it, I'd say remove it
11:52:41	n1s	unless someone steps up and fixes it, i'd say remove too
11:53:34	cfp	I'd say remove, too
11:53:35	amiconn	Aha, the ter...v variants are "EGA/VGA bold". I'd say we don't need that...
11:54:37	cfp	are there themes using these ?
11:57:16	amiconn	None of the included themes use any of the ter-* fonts or alt8x8
11:57:43	pixelma	I believe it was discussed at DevCon to clean up the font folder a bit (also renaming, there's some inconsistency with the numbers that state the font size) - but I'm not sure whether this was during a recorded meeting or not
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11:59:38	cfp	so should be possible to safely remove, although it might break some other themes, isn't it ?
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12:21:53	bluebrother	cfp: what patch? Cleaning up some fonts stuff?
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12:27:24	cfp	nope, a patch about vu_meter colourization
12:28:58	bluebrother	no idea −− you might want to check MAINTAINERS if there is somebody mentioned
12:29:35	amiconn	That patch is already on flyspray, correct?
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12:33:11	gevaerts	I get ATA: -80 from a current svn bootloader (r18358) on an ipod mini G2 with a transcend 133x 32GB CF card
12:33:29	gevaerts	Disk mode works
12:33:34	amiconn	eh?
12:35:00	gevaerts	The released bootloader gave the same problem
12:35:23	amiconn	Yes, but svn should work
12:35:50	amiconn	I am running a CF-modded Mini G2, Transcend 32GB 133x, with an svn bootloader
12:38:42	gevaerts	hmm. I reinstalled the bootloader and now it works. I probably did something wrong earlier...
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12:46:30	cfp	yes, it is on flyspray, but it doesn't seem to interest anybody
12:46:47	cfp	it's FS #9325
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12:49:55	amiconn	cfp: It won't be committed during the freeze anyway. Other than that, nothing speaks against committing it afterwards, provided it doesn't break something
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12:54:55	cfp	ok. and about french language update ? I realize that this irc channel might not be exactly the rightplace, but I'm quite new to the process of getting patches commited
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13:05:02	pixelma	cfp: I would think that this channel is a good place to ask for that. About the french update - wasn't it committed by Moos, or is there another one?
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13:12:55	pixelma	FS #9141
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13:15:05	cfp	it's another one, fixing capitalisation problems and spacing issues
13:17:04	cfp	pixelma: it's FS #9323
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13:18:41	Jorsik	hi
13:20:33	Jorsik	i have a question
13:20:50	n1s	Jorsik: ask away :)
13:20:53	Jorsik	i have a d2 with broken screen, is it possible to preprogram buttons in firmware before flashing?
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13:22:35	n1s	Jorsik: the buttonmap for rockbox can be changed by editing the source and compiling your own rockbox build.
13:23:02	Jorsik	mkay
13:23:22	Jorsik	is there a tutorial on rockbox.org on how to do such thing?
13:24:37	Jorsik	and can it be done under windows?
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13:25:15	n1s	not really, you probably want to look at the files in apps/keymaps and the wiki has instructions for setting up a dev encvironment but the d2 port is not in a usable state iiuc
13:26:10	Jorsik	but original d2 firmware?
13:27:56	cfp	pixelma: still around?
13:29:47	pixelma	yes, I don't know french (and don't have much time at the moment anyways). I remember that there was a discussion about this patch a few days ago but am not sure whether there was a conclusion in the end (probably there was none then)
13:31:22	cfp	ok great thanks then
13:31:32	cfp	goodbye all
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16:09:55	PaulJam	Slasheri: how efficient is the procedure to remove files that were deleted from the database (when dircache and database in RAM are enabled)?
16:13:53	Slasheri	PaulJam: do you mean finding and marking deleted entries in the db? that is one of the most inefficient procedures atm
16:13:58	PaulJam	Slasheri: i'm asking, because yesterday i experienced some weird behaviour, where the disk kept spinning after boot (for more than 20 minutes) and the disk was accessed in accessed in intervals of maybe 1 second. shortly before i did remove a directory that had ~3000 audio files in it. and i was wondering if that could have been the reason for that.
16:14:21	Slasheri	that sounds normal
16:14:28	Slasheri	it's very slow for that many files
16:14:29	PaulJam	ok, thank you.
16:15:44	PaulJam	next time i'll thry to remember to store files that i keep temprary on the player in a dir with a database.ignore file in it.
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17:34:00	dimedo	i just noticed that album art is displayed on my iriver with rockbox, but it seems that 100x100 is not too big for the default skin, any idea what the right size is?
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17:41:16	dimedo	ok i think it is 75x75
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18:12:22	bluebrother	domonoky: now that we have the wps editor in the utils folder, what do you think about moving rbutil and the patchers to that folder too?
18:12:37	domonoky	bluebrother: sounds good...
18:13:03	bluebrother	ok ... if noone else objects I'll do that later today
18:13:19	*	gevaerts explicitely doesn't object
18:13:36	bluebrother	:D
18:14:05	bluebrother	another thing: what User-Agent string should rbutil use? I'm currently playing with "rbutil/m1.0.6"
18:15:10	J-23	hmm, I didn't know about WPS editor ;)
18:15:26	J-23	I thunk WPS can be only editted manually
18:15:34	gevaerts	J-23: I don't think it's really usable yet.
18:17:39	J-23	I see it isn't
18:17:44	J-23	(SVN)
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19:51:06	kpkeerthi	hi guys... running rockbox on ipod video 30gb. I use linux. how do you sync music with it?
19:51:32	Galois	just use regular unix tools
19:51:35	Galois	cp and so on
19:51:47	kpkeerthi	I wrote a rsync script but it does work reliablity since the iPod is on FAT32
19:52:10	kpkeerthi	oops.. i mean DOES NOT work reliably
19:52:11	_emp	have you tried amarok?
19:52:17	Galois	rsync mostly works. It's just the modes that are screwy
19:53:30	kpkeerthi	_emp: i use gnome. i prefer not to keep any kde deps
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19:57:08	kpkeerthi	fat32 doesn't seem to honor timestamps, file cases, etc properly, causing my rsync script to repeatedly remove and retransfer few files again and again
19:57:35	Galois	as long as the transfers are always from the computer to the ipod, I've never had problems with rsync -a
19:58:24	kpkeerthi	Galios: I get the above annoyances with rsync -a
19:58:49	Galois	the man page says: Normally rsync will skip any files that are already the same size and have the same modification timestamp.
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19:59:31	Galois	I can see it fail if you use the same name with different upper and lower cases
19:59:40	Galois	fat32 just can't handle that
19:59:57	Galois	but fat32 does have timestamps, and they should work
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20:00:42	*	kugel points to #rockbox-community
20:00:44	kpkeerthi	yeah... but i don't understand why it removes and resends a few files, although nothing changed in both source and target ends
20:00:58	kugel	non-rockbox talk is off-topic here
20:01:25	BigBambi_	kpkeerthi: Just do it however you want
20:01:39	BigBambi_	This isn't really a rockbox question, as ~Rockbox doesn't care
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20:02:22	kpkeerthi	thanks guys for the help so far. i will keep this topic off for now.
20:02:48	BigBambi_	and indeed for always - off topic is never OK here :)
20:03:22	kugel	kpkeerthi: As I said, use #rockbox-community for off-topic talk
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20:03:52	kpkeerthi	thank you. i'm heading there :)
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20:08:35	_emp	kugel, who do I talk to about tweaking rbutilqt interface code?
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20:09:08	kugel	_emp: bluebrother and domonoky are the rbutil gurus
20:09:11	domonoky	_emp: ask me or bluebrother, or the channel audience in general :-)
20:09:54	_emp	domonoky, well, I got rbutilqt working on openBSD last night, but I have few interface problems remaining with install and uninstall of the bootloader.
20:10:45	_emp	with the install, the progress bar jumps to 100% before finished, and I get no progress bar on the uninstall.
20:12:06	domonoky	_emp: bootloader installation for which target ?
20:12:19	_emp	ipod nano 1st gen
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20:12:25	_emp	which autodetect okay
20:12:37	_emp	and I have installed themes with it okay as well
20:12:59	_emp	the bootloader install and uninstall both work; the interface just doesn't report correctly
20:13:41	_emp	I'm looking at installbootloader.cpp to see if I can find a solution.
20:13:43	domonoky	jup, ipodpatcher, which is used for bootloader install/uninstall can not give progress info..
20:14:24	domonoky	and the how bootloader installation code will be replaced after the release with replacement code from bluebrother (its already in the tracker)..
20:14:36	domonoky	s/how/whole/
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20:15:53	_emp	so I shouldn't worry about it then? okay, then I'll just prepare patches for openBSD rbutilqt and put them out later today.
20:16:30	domonoky	yes, dont worry about this, patches to build correctly on openBSD would be nice..
20:16:43	_emp	well, those are done
20:17:00	_emp	I just need to work up on a write up because of all the dependencies
20:18:03	domonoky	oki..
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21:30:38	*	domonoky made a proof of concept python/PyQt Qt-plugin for rbutil (FS #9341) :-)
21:33:52	_emp	nice
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21:41:50	bluebrother	domonoky: nice. I should check it out (started looking at python a couple of days ago ;-)
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21:45:34	kugel	domonoky: I want such a thing for ruby :)
21:46:43	domonoky	kugel: if you can embedd ruby into a C program, it should be possible :-)
21:47:16	kugel	I rather learn c++ I think
21:47:49	bluebrother	I guess we have more people interested in python bindings than ruby ... :)
21:48:09	kugel	3 vs 1, yea :P
21:48:29	*	reacocard would also be interested in the python bindings
21:49:10	domonoky	as all this embedding is in a plugin, it would not hurt to have plugins in what ever languag you can embedd into C/c++ :-)
21:49:20	reacocard	indeed :)
21:49:28	reacocard	im pretty sure you can do that with ruby
21:50:04	bluebrother	who wants ruby anyway?
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21:50:29	kugel	tzz ;;
21:51:51	bluebrother	domonoky: /me steals kugel some semicolons to put them at a more useful place: c++ code :D
21:51:57	*	bluebrother can't type
21:52:13	domonoky	:-)
21:52:19	reacocard	lol
21:52:26	kugel	Feel free, I've got more if you want some ;)
21:52:42	virtuoso015	i have a doubt in sansapatcher.c code
21:52:49	virtuoso015	in line 530
21:52:58	virtuoso015	we have a continue statement
21:53:01	bluebrother	domonoky: is it intended you added +console to CONFIG?
21:53:03	*	bertrik looks
21:53:17	virtuoso015	before a sansa_close statement
21:53:22	virtuoso015	is that on purpose ?
21:54:02	bluebrother	domonoky: you can use python-config to figure the path to the python installation
21:54:09	domonoky	bluebrother: leftovers for debugging... python outputs errors to the console..
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21:54:24	bertrik	hmm, that can't be right. I would expect the compiler to complain about that
21:54:26	gevaerts	virtuoso015: I guess not.
21:54:34	bluebrother	of course you need to have it in PATH, but one should add that on windows anyway :)
21:54:50	domonoky	its just a guick hack to prove that it works... i only implemented the minimum needed..
21:54:57	*	virtuoso015 thought i was missing something :)
21:55:06	gevaerts	linuxstb: ping
21:55:43	gevaerts	Let's see what the author says :)
21:55:50	virtuoso015	ok :0
21:55:53	virtuoso015	:)
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21:56:58	*	gevaerts doesn't like this arbitrary 26 disk limit
21:57:41	virtuoso015	how many would possibly need to be accomodated ?
21:57:50	virtuoso015	and if i may ask, how ?
21:58:56	bertrik	some lines higher up, sansa_close is called even when sansa_open seems to have failed
21:59:08	gevaerts	Well, my PC can theoretically handle about 800 USB devices...
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22:00:31	linuxstb	gevaerts: "svn blame" suggests bluebrother...
22:00:54	linuxstb	gevaerts: Just looks like a typo though.
22:01:22	gevaerts	indeed. I should have looked properly
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22:04:37	bluebrother	gevaerts: but can it also handle that amount of discs?
22:05:54	gevaerts	bluebrother: let me check (in docs and code, not by actually connecting that many :)
22:07:24	reacocard	gevaerts: maybe its because of the linux line of code for the devicing, as that wouldnt go above 26 as-written
22:07:29	reacocard	507
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22:09:51	bluebrother	well, what does linux use as device node after sdz?
22:09:58	*	reacocard is pretty sure /dev/sd{ is an invalid device node....
22:10:04	reacocard	not a clue
22:10:25	*	gevaerts points out that those are just names. What counts are the device node numbers, and those are dynamic these days for scis
22:11:28	domonoky	gevaerts: but that rbutil/ipodpatcher can access it, it needs those names... so 26 is the max for now, i think,,
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22:12:13	bluebrother	I think it's a sane using 26 as upper limit
22:12:34	*	bluebrother checks this change he made to sansapatcher.c and also thinks it's a type
22:12:35	gevaerts	http://lwn.net/Articles/75928/ says that linux can handle one million scsi disks
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22:12:52	*	gevaerts agrees that 26 is likely to be enough for the foreseeable time though
22:14:32	gevaerts	I think that if you want more you need to go through sysfs to enumerate them
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22:21:17	gevaerts	There must be a proper way to go from usb ids to device node via sysfs on linux...
22:22:39	bertrik	is anyone going to fix the continue bug?
22:23:27	reacocard	gevaerts: have you looked in /dev/disk? though I think thats only available if you use udev
22:24:07	gevaerts	reacocard: I'd rather use sysfs. /dev/disk is built from sysfs as well, so...
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22:24:17	reacocard	gevaerts: fair enough
22:26:02	bluebrother	Bagder: around?
22:26:47	gevaerts	On the other hand, this is the scanning code. If you have more than 26 scsi disks, just find the sansa yourself...
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22:39:33	kugel	reacocard: Any progress with your script?
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22:41:11	reacocard	kugel: just minor fixes, anything major I'll post up to the wiki
22:41:24	reacocard	still trying to figure out jsut how much I want in the lib
22:41:54	kugel	huh?
22:42:11	kugel	you mean, you doubt it's worth it?
22:42:17	reacocard	like, low-level only? higher level stuff?
22:42:22	reacocard	that kind of thing
22:42:53	reacocard	also I get access to my sansa tomorrow and I;d like to actually be abel to test with the device
22:43:23	kugel	well, you could've asked me
22:43:47	reacocard	its faster for me to jsut have it on hand, I like to test a LOT
22:44:03	kugel	well, I don't ;)
22:44:06	reacocard	heh
22:44:22	*	reacocard should write testcases more so he doesnt have to do as much manual testing >.>
22:44:37	kugel	I would just look if it reads the database written by the tool and plays songs from it
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22:53:26	Slasheri	reacocard: sounds good, i have almost always done all of the testing on the real target.. almost never used the simulator :)
22:54:03	reacocard	Slasheri: sims are nice for quick testing, and for testing multiple targets, but the real thing is better
22:54:17	reacocard	subtle differences can be bug trouble
22:54:23	reacocard	er, big trouble
22:54:25	Slasheri	reacocard: only the usb port is little worn out.. because of those thousands of times plugging in the cable :)
22:54:30	reacocard	heh
22:54:41	reacocard	clearly we need a usb cable witha switch on it
22:55:36	DaCapn	Or a switch with a USB cable on it.
22:57:45	*	gevaerts recommends unplugging in the PC side.
22:57:57	gevaerts	s/in/on/
22:59:47	Slasheri	gevaerts: good advise, never thought that before :)
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23:00:20	gevaerts	Slasheri: mini-connectors are designed for much less plug/unplug cycles than the full size ones
23:01:35	*	reacocard has a usb extender cable he cna use to minimize wear on the regular cable ^__^
23:02:10	*	gevaerts doesn't care about wear on the cable. Cables are cheap
23:02:25	reacocard	well, the sansa cable is proprietary
23:03:35	gevaerts	reacocard: well, anyway, you won't wear out a regular usb plug. A mini maybe, but not a regular
23:03:44	reacocard	true
23:04:28	gevaerts	That proprietary connector however...
23:04:43	*	gevaerts doesn't think that those look very solid
23:05:13	reacocard	they're more of a pain to disconnect than the standard ones anyway :)
23:05:28	bluebrother	btw, I've heared there are "micro" usb connectors around. Is this true? I only know about micro usb
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23:06:13	gevaerts	There is micro, yes. I think it's originally a Nokia design, but it got standardized
23:06:24	saratoga	linuxstb: around?
23:06:27	gevaerts	It's a bit thinner than mini
23:06:32	bluebrother	ah. Interesting.
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