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#rockbox log for 2008-08-30

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00:01:40domonokybertrik: maybe there is something in wpseditor which needs Qt 4.4 ?
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00:03:43bertrikdomonoky, I don't know, is 4.3.4 already too old?
00:04:46amiconnAre there any opinions on whether we should drop the alt8x8 font?
00:05:50amiconnIt's currently broken (glyph numbering messed up), but even when repairing that it's in no known encoding (only roughly resembling KOI8-R), and it's not usable atm, neither in svn nor in repaired form
00:06:13domonokybertrik: Qt4.4 is pretty new, but for example 4.4 supports more pixel formats for Images.. and i think wpseditor uses one of this new formats (rgb565 i think, like the tragte does)
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00:06:44gevaertsbertrik: can you run checkwps on those wpses?
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00:08:59amiconnIt would be possible to manually convert the thing to unicode, but is it worth it?
00:09:14krzgevaerts: log shows that wps was parsed successfully
00:09:34gevaertskrz: here it runs fine on wpses that I know are ok (the ones in the official build), and it segfaults on wpses that are rejected by checkwps
00:10:54bertrikI get ERR: Failed to load image 26 - /home/bertrik/rockbox/wps/cabbiev2.128x128x16/lock-128x128x16.bmp
00:12:37domonokybertrik: you should remove the dimensions when you take a wps from svn, or else the dir name wont fit.. (normally the build system does this for you)
00:13:45domonokyie the wps file should be named cabbiev2.wps ..
00:14:21bertrikok, compiling for h10...
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00:16:43bertrikah, it works for me now when I open a wps from a rockbox.tar.gz
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00:25:43amiconnSlasheri: The virtual tags are now shifted by one. Is this correct?
00:27:30Slasheriamiconn: yep, that shouldn't matter
00:27:39Slasherithose virtual tags aren't stored anywhere
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00:32:34MXIIAI am trying to run the ROckBox Utility and I get "could not open ipod" how can I chmod my ipod?
00:33:57domonokyMXIIA: are you running it as root/admin ?
00:34:16MXIIAI can through sudo though
00:34:25domonokyjup, try it..
00:34:46domonokyit needs root rights for raw disk access..
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00:39:17MXIIADoes Complete install install the ROMs for pacman and doom?
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00:40:07MXIIAOk, thanks
00:40:07*madspin chuckles at this prime example of linux amazingness
00:40:13madspin[skiy@localhost ~]$ rmdir
00:40:13madspinrmdir: Not a directory
00:40:13madspin[skiy@localhost ~]$ rm
00:40:13DBUGSent KICK madspin to server
00:40:13madspinrm: cannot remove directory `': Is a directory
00:40:13Kick(#rockbox madspin :No flooding!) by logbot!n=bjst@gateway/web/cgi-irc/
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00:40:26gevaertsYou get the pacman roms from the pacman machine in your basement, and doom doesn't use roms :)
00:41:06gevaertsI think you can get doom datafiles on the Extras tab though
00:41:42domonokycomplete install, installs the free doom wad file.. .
00:42:28MXIIAOk thanks... I don't know why I didn't use the Utility the first time... It is waaay easier
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01:07:32charlieeIs there a known issue with the latest builds on the iRiver H120/140? Everything.s fine the first time I try and play anything, but if I restart the player all I get is 'codec failure' errors and nothing plays until I overwrite the .rockbox directory (totally vanilla install, latest bootloader etc.).
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01:15:15XavierGrcharliee: flash install or dual boot install?
01:15:27charlieeflash install
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01:15:45XavierGrso no official firmware in your device?
01:16:10XavierGrhow do you start rockbox, from disk, flash or rom?
01:16:33charlieeROM by default
01:17:49XavierGrif anything than disk you should run rombox.iriver and rockbox.iriver through iriver_flash.rock
01:18:07domonokyand you did update the rom image with the new version ?
01:18:35XavierGrin order to do that though you have to start rockbox from disk
01:18:53XavierGrin order to make sure that you are running the new firmwre that you updated
01:19:07XavierGrthen you can boot from what you were booting before
01:20:00XavierGrdomonoky: for an rbutil translation: do you need only the qm file or the ts file too?
01:20:08XavierGr(or do you prefer a patch)
01:21:06domonokyonly the ts is needed.. a patch with all changes would be nice :-)
01:21:44Unhelpfulhrm.... i have a full battery_bench run w/ the gigs_charging patch, and it reads 100% for the whole six-hour run :/
01:22:11XavierGrdomonoky: ok I hope to finish the translation on the weekend, I will let you know
01:22:30domonokyXavierGr: nice..
01:22:42XavierGrUnhelpful: voltages?
01:22:56Unhelpful4113 down to 3620
01:23:11Unhelpfulpresumably the shutoff was hardware, if RB thought the battery was full the whole time
01:23:14XavierGrby gigs_charging patch you mean jhmikes latest charging patch for the Gigabeat S?
01:23:57Unhelpfulfs#9312, gigs-charging-code.diff
01:24:14XavierGrUnhelpful: I don't think so, the shutoff is triggered by voltage and not percent IIRC
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01:24:57_empI found an issue with the build process between rbutilqt and rbspeex
01:25:13XavierGrUnhelpful: your bench at least isn't a waste. You got valid results for voltage
01:25:26domonoky_emp: tell me :-)
01:25:52Unhelpfulanything useful i can do w/ it now?
01:26:04_empdomonoky, I will dump the issue into a pastebin for you. One sec.
01:26:23Unhelpfuli also notice that plugging my won't-turn-on-dead player in immediately puts battery % in the 80-90 range
01:26:24XavierGrUnhelpful: so either battery_bench made something wrong with the percent or jhmikes charging patch did something on it
01:26:55XavierGrUnhelpful: did you set the battery amperage in rockbox settings?
01:27:19XavierGrUnhelpful: can you pastebin the benchmark?
01:28:10Unhelpfulit's @ the default, which iirc is supposed to be correct for a stock gigs, of 700maH
01:29:08Unhelpfulok, there's definitely something fishy, here. battery% goes from 89->100 on unplug.
01:29:31XavierGrUnhelpful: you could update the benchmark with your results on the gigabeatruntime wiki page
01:29:41XavierGrand note about the error on the percentage
01:29:53Unhelpfulexplains the battery_bench, at least. i should see if reverting the charging patch changes that behavior.
01:29:54Unhelpfulwill do
01:30:41XavierGrUnhelpful: yeah reverting and testing would be good just to be sure that it's not battery_bench's fault
01:31:48XavierGrUnhelpful: interesting though, I got 6 hours too on default battery on Gigabeat S
01:32:59XavierGrUnhelpful: is yours new? I was pretty dissapointed by my benchmark but my beast was used so I am not sure about its battery
01:33:10domonoky_emp: it should trigger the next rule: librbspeex$(ARCH).a, because ARCH should be empty. But maybe it isnt on your system ? ...
01:33:12XavierGrnow I have a new 1000mAh which I must test at some point
01:33:29Unhelpfulmine's used-and-frankenstein'd
01:33:47UnhelpfulS60 w/ an S30 motherboard, due to broken USB on the original
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01:38:57domonoky_emp: the rule with the $(OUT) in the Makefile of rbspeex is only for building universal binarys on mac... so check, if perhaps ARCH is defined on your system. if it is we should change its name :-)
01:39:16_emparch will come back as amd64
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01:40:21domonokyso thats the problem. rename all ARCHs in the Makefile, (to perhaps RBARCH) and it should work..
01:43:14toffe82Unhelpful: S30 and S60 board are the same
01:43:52Unhelpfulare they? iirc the SInfo states that only S60 has radio, but i don't know if that would be hardware or firmware difference
01:45:21toffe82I have s30 with radio
01:45:24Unhelpfulthe main point i'm making is that it's all used, and i don't know precisely how old any one component is. and if that 1000mAh replacement is good, i'll want to know where it came from...
01:45:45Unhelpfultoffe82: hrm. GigabeatSInfo wrong, then?
01:46:24toffe82Unhelpful: or I am wrong, I mess with so many board of s30 and s60 ;)
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01:54:31Unhelpfulconfirmed, reverting fs#9312 fixes it. w/ fs#9312, battery reads correctly until first plugged in, then always 100% after plugged in. battery debug lists state as "discharging" at first, but then "error" after it's been unplugged.
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01:56:32_empmy mistake, I figured out what was going wrong
01:57:34jac0bif I did the fdisk for the gigabeat s once do I have to do it again if I did a recovery?
01:59:17Unhelpfuljac0b: very likely yes. it should be quite obvious, as linux won't see any partitions if you need to do it.
02:00:21_empI'm not changing directories correctly
02:00:23jac0byeah it doesn't notice it and when I try to fdisk it says unable to open
02:00:54Unhelpfulunable to open? you're running fdisk as root, right?
02:01:07jac0boh I have to sudo
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02:01:17Unhelpfulor alternatively giving your user write access to the block device, i guess
02:02:29*jac0b DUH! (knocks himself in the head)
02:02:42jac0bthanks Unhelpful
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02:33:42Unhelpfulso, if i want to use DEBUGF to see what's happening here, where does the debug output go? is there a way to get it into a file, or a ringbuffer that can be dumped to a file, or something?
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04:07:23kugeljust got a "Closing Link: (Banned)" from freenode
04:08:14swimmeryou're still here :)
04:11:59kugelI reconnected Internet, and now it works
04:12:20*scorche|sh coughs
04:15:10Unhelpfulok, if i'm reading debug.c right, DEBUGF can't do anything for me on the target
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04:27:32_empfinally, got the compile stuff to work; just needed to use qmake4. However, now, I have to add Q_OS_OPENBSD to autodetection.cpp, so I have to learn qt. This will take a while.
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04:31:03Unhelpfulit's pretty decent, as GUI frameworks for relatively low-level languages go... says somebody who gets uncomfortable any time he's looking at code that's not in python.
04:31:10jac0bdo I have to do anyhting to get the RB bottloader usb mode to work on the gigabeat S?
04:32:49Unhelpfuljac0b: just have the USB plugged in at the right time. if it's plugged in at startup, the bootloader should go to USB mode, and wait until you unplug or eject to try to boot rockbox
04:34:16jac0byeah but I am getting a "file not found" error so I am trying to make sure the .rockbox folder is there
04:34:28_empUnhelpful, so it's not bad?
04:35:11Unhelpful_emp: mostly, no, it's not. if you're used to high-level, dynamic languages, it's probably as comfy as anything for C++ *can* be.
04:36:10_empI typically just stick to ksh, C, and assembler; the only OOP I have messed with is ruby
04:37:28Unhelpfulheh, you might not feel too much at home with it, then.
04:39:01Unhelpfulit looks like *most* of the stuff you'll need to mess with isn't all that OO, if we're just talking about autodetection.cpp
04:39:45Unhelpfulprobably be ablet to reuse many of the Q_OS_LINUX bits
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04:40:14Unhelpfulor occasionally the MACOSX ones, i suspect
04:41:35Unhelpfuljust looking at getMountpoints, and the functions used for each version, i'm guessing there that the MACOSX will mostly work as-is for BSD... or at least the getmntent man page suggests so.
04:42:21_empUnhelpful, so far that is how it's working out; just have to double check at lot of stuff and check out qt functions.
04:42:50_empQ_OS_MACX is following pretty much the BSD conventions
04:44:13Unhelpfulis there other OS-specific stuff, outside autodetect.cpp? it looks like almost all of the stuff inside is related to mountpoint enumeration. you may even be able to just add a test for Q_OS_OPENBSD to the Q_OS_MACX segments
04:45:16_empUnhelpful, my compile failed with autodetect.cpp, so I'm working through this first, and then I'll worry about the rest.
04:46:05_emponce I get this done, then I can actually start to contribute something worthwhile.
04:46:18kugel_emp: you're using BSD? You're welcome to contribute to make it work better on this system
04:47:24_empkugel, I'm submitting patches as I get stuff to work. I have ipodpatcher working, but it's a hack for now. And I can make fullzip and zip. But I'd like to get rbutilqt working as well. I just don't know qt. I'm using openBSD.
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05:03:57Unhelpful_emp: at least within autodetection.cpp, i'd say you probably don't really need to *know* Qt, just tweak the MACX or LINUX versions to fit BSD correctly
05:04:39_empUnhelpful, finished with autodetection.cpp, encodersgui.cpp, and just tweaked tts.cpp
05:05:17Unhelpfulfantastic, should be a big help for people on BSD to be able to install the "nice" way
05:05:50_empit's not that easy, there are difference between freeBSD and openBSD. netBSD is the closest to openBSD.
05:07:10_empnow, I need some help debugging syntax errors
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05:10:38Unhelpfulhave you modified that file?
05:12:46Unhelpfulhuh. unfortunately, not a very precise error message :/
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05:14:04_empis that + right? not really good with C++
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05:18:56Unhelpful_emp: very hard to say. C++ allows you to overload operators, so that they can "work" on your classes. if QDir::tempPath() is some sort of stringlike object, it's quite likely that a + -> concatenation operator is implemented.
05:19:44_empthat was my first thought, and I'm looking at the info on qt's website. Not a lot of help:
05:22:24Unhelpfulthat's enough help, it returns a QString, and QString supports concatenation w/ char *, returning a new QString, via + operator.
05:23:19Unhelpfuland then a QDir is instantiated from that string, and presumably exists() amounts to "does this object exist"
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05:24:56_empit's just checking to see if the directory exists, if not, it makes it. just trying to figure out why it's breaking
05:25:11*_emp reading Qstring
05:25:56Unhelpfulthat's where i'm stuck. i don't see any obvious syntax error, but it could be due to a missed include, or such.
05:30:12_empI don't see anything either; gonna go eat, and come back and check it out. I have updated: autodetection.cpp, encodersgui.cpp, and tts.cpp for openBSD, so I'm not that far off. I just need a break.
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06:35:51Dhraakellianwhen I try to use, it complains about Unknown codec 'libmp3lame'
06:36:11DhraakellianI did change the command in the script to use mp3
06:36:40DhraakellianKubuntu 8.04, using ffmpeg from the medibuntu repo, which should have mp3 support built in
06:39:46*Dhraakellian tries tweaking the mencoder line to see if he has more success with it than with his last attempt on this file
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06:40:19Dhraakellianhmm... mencoder needs libmp3lame
06:40:28Dhraakelliannot "mp3"
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06:58:43alleledoes rockbox have function built in for scaling images?
06:59:19reacocardallele: if you mean for album art, no.
07:00:11Unhelpfulthere's a patch on flyspray, iirc?
07:01:33Unhelpfulunsupported, of course.
07:03:07alleleno, I meant for plugins. I figure it wouldn't make much sense having the same image in multiple sizes
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07:04:18Unhelpfulgiven the size that can fit on target screens, though, the cost is pretty tiny
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07:09:54alleledoes rockdoom use scaling for the sprites?
07:10:24Unhelpfuli would assume so. it's probably rolled into the rendering engine, though.
07:12:50allelefair enough, I'll see how it works without it and if it needs it I'll figure something out
07:13:16_empUnhelpful, I finally got this things built after patching: autodetection.cpp, encodersgui.cpp, tts.cpp, voicefile.cpp, and sansaio-posix.c
07:13:49Unhelpful_emp: sweet. what was the fix in voicefile?
07:14:39_empone sec, let me build a diff for it
07:17:17Unhelpfulhuh. i can't imagine why you get an error if you don't use a temp variable.
07:18:26_empUnhelpful, this is all I could find:
07:18:31_empso I gave it shot
07:18:42_empscroll to the very bottom
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07:22:26Unhelpful...but, but, you're instantiating an object, and then calling a member function, already. the only thing you changed is storing the instantiated object in a temp var. it makes no sense. at least it works, though.
07:23:03_emphey, I'm new to cpp; I'm okay with C and assembler, but this is new for me.
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07:23:34_empso this installs to /usr/local/bin
07:23:58Unhelpfulthe return from the QDir constructor is an instance. whether you stuff it in a variable, or just call the method directly, should not make any difference afaik
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07:24:34Unhelpfulit's like C giving you an error for calling func1(func2(n)) instead of doing x = func2(n); func1(x)
07:24:38_empno idea; when I learn cpp better, then I'll have a better answer
07:25:03_empit could be a bug with gmake
07:25:22Unhelpfulmore likely a compile bug, i'd say...
07:25:37Unhelpfulcompiler, rather.
07:25:58_empI'll look into it.
07:26:33Unhelpfuleh, you don't have to fuss any over it. i just can't figure out what your fix fixes.
07:30:47_empwill I got it to run
07:31:04_empgonna test it out
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07:31:31_empautodetect works
07:31:58_empgetting themes works
07:32:47_emplooks to be working
07:33:20_empjust installed a theme
07:34:53_empget pdf manual and html manual in browser works
07:36:03_empit depends on qmake4, gmake, and ccache
07:38:32_empso I have gmake fullzip, gmake zip, ipodpatcher, and rbutilqt "ported" to openBSD
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09:42:30TomersHello there, I read the TWikiRegistration page, and I would like to be given Wiki write permissions, in order to help Rockbox. Is there anyone here who can start this procedure with me?
09:44:56pixelmawhat is your wiki name? And what what you like to contribute?
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09:47:15pixelma*what would...
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10:28:25amiconnrasher: ping
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10:48:25TomersMy Wiki name is TomerShalev. I would like to add info on how to use 'setup.exe -X' during Cygwin installation in order to bypass the signature check. See
10:48:49Tomerspixelma: I'm sorry for being offline for some time now... I had to go for something
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10:56:45bertrikTomers, I think I give you write access to the wiki. Tomer Shalev is your real name, right?
10:57:10TomersYes. Tomer Shalev. thank you!
11:05:07bertrikTomers, sorry for the delay, I think it should work now
11:07:36TomersThanks! It works!
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11:12:12TomersI've updated that page (, and the tracker issue ( accordingly.
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11:18:05linuxstbTomers: Could you perhaps explain _how_ to supply the -X option to setup.exe ?
11:19:15TomersThere are two options: 1. Got to command line (Start->Run->Cmd), then type 'setup.exe -X' in the appropriate directory.
11:20:04*gevaerts guesses that linuxstb meant "on the wiki"
11:20:40linuxstbTomers: I did. And assume the user knows nothing about command-line programs in windows...
11:20:42Tomers2. Create a Windows shortcut, and edit it, adding the -X parameter. On my computer: "C:\setup.exe" -X
11:21:07rasheramiconn: what?
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11:21:22linuxstbTomers: Don't give two options - it just confuses. Just go with one, and be explicit about all the steps needed.
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11:23:40TomersThe novice user will have to create that shortcut, which is not an easy task for a novice user. Read what Cygwin developers has to say about it: "we apologise for the pressure of time and
11:23:41Tomersmanpower resources that has not allowed us to develop more user-friendly
11:23:43Tomersfeatures initially, and would like to work with package repository
11:23:45Tomersmaintainers to improve the usability of future versions of setup.exe for
11:23:47Tomersthem and their users. Please direct suggestions for improved mechanisms,
11:23:49Tomersbug-reports, and (especially!) offers of help to the cygwin-apps list"
11:24:24linuxstbI always take the view that "novice" != "stupid" - just tell them what to do, and they can do it.
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11:25:32cfpHello all !
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11:27:45TomersOK. Do we agree on asking the users to create a shortcut with -X ? This is what I wrote on the wiki ("This can be added into the command-line invocation in a Windows shortcut, for convenience.") Please offer a different phrasing, if you have one, as my native language is not English :-)
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11:29:39Unhelpfuli would not assume that windotws users will be CLI-competent, so the shortcut is probably the solution that will work best. OTOH, windows users planning to do much w/ cygwin will at least have to *become* competent w/ CLI...
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11:31:56cfpHas anybody tested my #9325 patch ?
11:34:15n1sUnhelpful: re: logs my S30 also has radio
11:36:36Unhelpfuln1s: interesting. should the wiki be corrected, then?
11:36:59n1si think so
11:38:05Unhelpfulmy 60GB S30 appears to have radio, as well.
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11:40:33linuxstbTomers: Could there be an easier way - e.g. offering a ".bat" file for download that the user saves to the same folder as setup.exe, which then calls "setup.exe -X" ?
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11:48:18amiconnrasher: Will you commit the reencoded fonts?
11:48:33*amiconn repeats his question from almost 12 hours ago
11:48:59amiconnI.e. shall we remove the alt8x8 font? It's currently broken in multiple ways
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11:49:29amiconnAlso, the ter-u14v and ter-u16v are dupes (of ter-u14b and ter-u16b)
11:51:38amiconnHmm, they're not exact dupes, although they look like it
11:52:20bertrikamiconn, I know very little about fonts, but if it's seriously broken and there's not many themes that use it, I'd say remove it
11:52:41n1sunless someone steps up and fixes it, i'd say remove too
11:53:34cfpI'd say remove, too
11:53:35amiconnAha, the ter...v variants are "EGA/VGA bold". I'd say we don't need that...
11:54:37cfpare there themes using these ?
11:57:16amiconnNone of the included themes use any of the ter-* fonts or alt8x8
11:57:43pixelmaI believe it was discussed at DevCon to clean up the font folder a bit (also renaming, there's some inconsistency with the numbers that state the font size) - but I'm not sure whether this was during a recorded meeting or not
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11:59:38cfpso should be possible to safely remove, although it might break some other themes, isn't it ?
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12:03:13bluebrotherBagder: around?
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12:10:14cfpbluebrother: who should I address about my patch ?
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12:21:53bluebrothercfp: what patch? Cleaning up some fonts stuff?
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12:27:24cfpnope, a patch about vu_meter colourization
12:28:58bluebrotherno idea −− you might want to check MAINTAINERS if there is somebody mentioned
12:29:35amiconnThat patch is already on flyspray, correct?
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12:33:11gevaertsI get ATA: -80 from a current svn bootloader (r18358) on an ipod mini G2 with a transcend 133x 32GB CF card
12:33:29gevaertsDisk mode works
12:35:00gevaertsThe released bootloader gave the same problem
12:35:23amiconnYes, but svn should work
12:35:50amiconnI am running a CF-modded Mini G2, Transcend 32GB 133x, with an svn bootloader
12:38:42gevaertshmm. I reinstalled the bootloader and now it works. I probably did something wrong earlier...
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12:46:30cfpyes, it is on flyspray, but it doesn't seem to interest anybody
12:46:47cfpit's FS #9325
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12:49:55amiconncfp: It won't be committed during the freeze anyway. Other than that, nothing speaks against committing it afterwards, provided it doesn't break something
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12:54:55cfpok. and about french language update ? I realize that this irc channel might not be exactly the rightplace, but I'm quite new to the process of getting patches commited
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13:05:02pixelmacfp: I would think that this channel is a good place to ask for that. About the french update - wasn't it committed by Moos, or is there another one?
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13:12:55pixelmaFS #9141
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13:15:05cfpit's another one, fixing capitalisation problems and spacing issues
13:17:04cfppixelma: it's FS #9323
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13:20:33Jorsiki have a question
13:20:50n1sJorsik: ask away :)
13:20:53Jorsiki have a d2 with broken screen, is it possible to preprogram buttons in firmware before flashing?
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13:22:35n1sJorsik: the buttonmap for rockbox can be changed by editing the source and compiling your own rockbox build.
13:23:22Jorsikis there a tutorial on on how to do such thing?
13:24:37Jorsikand can it be done under windows?
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13:25:15n1snot really, you probably want to look at the files in apps/keymaps and the wiki has instructions for setting up a dev encvironment but the d2 port is not in a usable state iiuc
13:26:10Jorsikbut original d2 firmware?
13:27:56cfppixelma: still around?
13:29:47pixelmayes, I don't know french (and don't have much time at the moment anyways). I remember that there was a discussion about this patch a few days ago but am not sure whether there was a conclusion in the end (probably there was none then)
13:31:22cfpok great thanks then
13:31:32cfpgoodbye all
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16:09:55PaulJamSlasheri: how efficient is the procedure to remove files that were deleted from the database (when dircache and database in RAM are enabled)?
16:13:53SlasheriPaulJam: do you mean finding and marking deleted entries in the db? that is one of the most inefficient procedures atm
16:13:58PaulJamSlasheri: i'm asking, because yesterday i experienced some weird behaviour, where the disk kept spinning after boot (for more than 20 minutes) and the disk was accessed in accessed in intervals of maybe 1 second. shortly before i did remove a directory that had ~3000 audio files in it. and i was wondering if that could have been the reason for that.
16:14:21Slasherithat sounds normal
16:14:28Slasheriit's very slow for that many files
16:14:29PaulJamok, thank you.
16:15:44PaulJamnext time i'll thry to remember to store files that i keep temprary on the player in a dir with a database.ignore file in it.
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17:34:00dimedoi just noticed that album art is displayed on my iriver with rockbox, but it seems that 100x100 is not too big for the default skin, any idea what the right size is?
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17:41:16dimedook i think it is 75x75
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18:03:32gevaertsrasher: for what it's worth, I think FS #9323 can be committed
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18:12:22bluebrotherdomonoky: now that we have the wps editor in the utils folder, what do you think about moving rbutil and the patchers to that folder too?
18:12:37domonokybluebrother: sounds good...
18:13:03bluebrotherok ... if noone else objects I'll do that later today
18:13:19*gevaerts explicitely doesn't object
18:14:05bluebrotheranother thing: what User-Agent string should rbutil use? I'm currently playing with "rbutil/m1.0.6"
18:15:10J-23hmm, I didn't know about WPS editor ;)
18:15:26J-23I thunk WPS can be only editted manually
18:15:34gevaertsJ-23: I don't think it's really usable yet.
18:17:39J-23I see it isn't
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19:51:06kpkeerthihi guys... running rockbox on ipod video 30gb. I use linux. how do you sync music with it?
19:51:32Galoisjust use regular unix tools
19:51:35Galoiscp and so on
19:51:47kpkeerthiI wrote a rsync script but it does work reliablity since the iPod is on FAT32
19:52:10kpkeerthioops.. i mean DOES NOT work reliably
19:52:11_emphave you tried amarok?
19:52:17Galoisrsync mostly works. It's just the modes that are screwy
19:53:30kpkeerthi_emp: i use gnome. i prefer not to keep any kde deps
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19:57:08kpkeerthifat32 doesn't seem to honor timestamps, file cases, etc properly, causing my rsync script to repeatedly remove and retransfer few files again and again
19:57:35Galoisas long as the transfers are always from the computer to the ipod, I've never had problems with rsync -a
19:58:24kpkeerthiGalios: I get the above annoyances with rsync -a
19:58:49Galoisthe man page says: Normally rsync will skip any files that are already the same size and have the same modification timestamp.
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19:59:31GaloisI can see it fail if you use the same name with different upper and lower cases
19:59:40Galoisfat32 just can't handle that
19:59:57Galoisbut fat32 does have timestamps, and they should work
20:00:42*kugel points to #rockbox-community
20:00:44kpkeerthiyeah... but i don't understand why it removes and resends a few files, although nothing changed in both source and target ends
20:00:58kugelnon-rockbox talk is off-topic here
20:01:25BigBambi_kpkeerthi: Just do it however you want
20:01:39BigBambi_This isn't really a rockbox question, as ~Rockbox doesn't care
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20:02:22kpkeerthithanks guys for the help so far. i will keep this topic off for now.
20:02:48BigBambi_and indeed for always - off topic is never OK here :)
20:03:22kugelkpkeerthi: As I said, use #rockbox-community for off-topic talk
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20:03:52kpkeerthithank you. i'm heading there :)
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20:08:35_empkugel, who do I talk to about tweaking rbutilqt interface code?
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20:09:08kugel_emp: bluebrother and domonoky are the rbutil gurus
20:09:11domonoky_emp: ask me or bluebrother, or the channel audience in general :-)
20:09:54_empdomonoky, well, I got rbutilqt working on openBSD last night, but I have few interface problems remaining with install and uninstall of the bootloader.
20:10:45_empwith the install, the progress bar jumps to 100% before finished, and I get no progress bar on the uninstall.
20:12:06domonoky_emp: bootloader installation for which target ?
20:12:19_empipod nano 1st gen
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20:12:25_empwhich autodetect okay
20:12:37_empand I have installed themes with it okay as well
20:12:59_empthe bootloader install and uninstall both work; the interface just doesn't report correctly
20:13:41_empI'm looking at installbootloader.cpp to see if I can find a solution.
20:13:43domonokyjup, ipodpatcher, which is used for bootloader install/uninstall can not give progress info..
20:14:24domonokyand the how bootloader installation code will be replaced after the release with replacement code from bluebrother (its already in the tracker)..
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20:15:53_empso I shouldn't worry about it then? okay, then I'll just prepare patches for openBSD rbutilqt and put them out later today.
20:16:30domonokyyes, dont worry about this, patches to build correctly on openBSD would be nice..
20:16:43_empwell, those are done
20:17:00_empI just need to work up on a write up because of all the dependencies
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21:30:38*domonoky made a proof of concept python/PyQt Qt-plugin for rbutil (FS #9341) :-)
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21:41:50bluebrotherdomonoky: nice. I should check it out (started looking at python a couple of days ago ;-)
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21:45:34kugeldomonoky: I want such a thing for ruby :)
21:46:43domonokykugel: if you can embedd ruby into a C program, it should be possible :-)
21:47:16kugelI rather learn c++ I think
21:47:49bluebrotherI guess we have more people interested in python bindings than ruby ... :)
21:48:09kugel3 vs 1, yea :P
21:48:29*reacocard would also be interested in the python bindings
21:49:10domonokyas all this embedding is in a plugin, it would not hurt to have plugins in what ever languag you can embedd into C/c++ :-)
21:49:20reacocardindeed :)
21:49:28reacocardim pretty sure you can do that with ruby
21:50:04bluebrotherwho wants ruby anyway?
21:50:08*bluebrother ducks and runs
21:50:29kugeltzz ;;
21:51:51bluebrotherdomonoky: /me steals kugel some semicolons to put them at a more useful place: c++ code :D
21:51:57*bluebrother can't type
21:52:26kugelFeel free, I've got more if you want some ;)
21:52:42virtuoso015i have a doubt in sansapatcher.c code
21:52:49virtuoso015in line 530
21:52:58virtuoso015we have a continue statement
21:53:01bluebrotherdomonoky: is it intended you added +console to CONFIG?
21:53:03*bertrik looks
21:53:17virtuoso015before a sansa_close statement
21:53:22virtuoso015is that on purpose ?
21:54:02bluebrotherdomonoky: you can use python-config to figure the path to the python installation
21:54:09domonokybluebrother: leftovers for debugging... python outputs errors to the console..
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21:54:24bertrikhmm, that can't be right. I would expect the compiler to complain about that
21:54:26gevaertsvirtuoso015: I guess not.
21:54:34bluebrotherof course you need to have it in PATH, but one should add that on windows anyway :)
21:54:50domonokyits just a guick hack to prove that it works... i only implemented the minimum needed..
21:54:57*virtuoso015 thought i was missing something :)
21:55:06gevaertslinuxstb: ping
21:55:43gevaertsLet's see what the author says :)
21:55:50virtuoso015ok :0
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21:56:58*gevaerts doesn't like this arbitrary 26 disk limit
21:57:41virtuoso015how many would possibly need to be accomodated ?
21:57:50virtuoso015and if i may ask, how ?
21:58:56bertriksome lines higher up, sansa_close is called even when sansa_open seems to have failed
21:59:08gevaertsWell, my PC can theoretically handle about 800 USB devices...
22:00:31linuxstbgevaerts: "svn blame" suggests bluebrother...
22:00:54linuxstbgevaerts: Just looks like a typo though.
22:01:22gevaertsindeed. I should have looked properly
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22:04:37bluebrothergevaerts: but can it also handle that amount of discs?
22:05:54gevaertsbluebrother: let me check (in docs and code, not by actually connecting that many :)
22:07:24reacocardgevaerts: maybe its because of the linux line of code for the devicing, as that wouldnt go above 26 as-written
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22:09:51bluebrotherwell, what does linux use as device node after sdz?
22:09:58*reacocard is pretty sure /dev/sd{ is an invalid device node....
22:10:04reacocardnot a clue
22:10:25*gevaerts points out that those are just names. What counts are the device node numbers, and those are dynamic these days for scis
22:11:28domonokygevaerts: but that rbutil/ipodpatcher can access it, it needs those names... so 26 is the max for now, i think,,
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22:12:13bluebrotherI think it's a sane using 26 as upper limit
22:12:34*bluebrother checks this change he made to sansapatcher.c and also thinks it's a type
22:12:35gevaerts says that linux can handle one million scsi disks
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22:12:52*gevaerts agrees that 26 is likely to be enough for the foreseeable time though
22:14:32gevaertsI think that if you want more you need to go through sysfs to enumerate them
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22:21:17gevaertsThere must be a proper way to go from usb ids to device node via sysfs on linux...
22:22:39bertrikis anyone going to fix the continue bug?
22:23:27reacocardgevaerts: have you looked in /dev/disk? though I think thats only available if you use udev
22:24:07gevaertsreacocard: I'd rather use sysfs. /dev/disk is built from sysfs as well, so...
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22:24:17reacocardgevaerts: fair enough
22:26:02bluebrotherBagder: around?
22:26:47gevaertsOn the other hand, this is the scanning code. If you have more than 26 scsi disks, just find the sansa yourself...
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22:39:33kugelreacocard: Any progress with your script?
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22:41:11reacocardkugel: just minor fixes, anything major I'll post up to the wiki
22:41:24reacocardstill trying to figure out jsut how much I want in the lib
22:42:11kugelyou mean, you doubt it's worth it?
22:42:17reacocardlike, low-level only? higher level stuff?
22:42:22reacocardthat kind of thing
22:42:53reacocardalso I get access to my sansa tomorrow and I;d like to actually be abel to test with the device
22:43:23kugelwell, you could've asked me
22:43:47reacocardits faster for me to jsut have it on hand, I like to test a LOT
22:44:03kugelwell, I don't ;)
22:44:22*reacocard should write testcases more so he doesnt have to do as much manual testing >.>
22:44:37kugelI would just look if it reads the database written by the tool and plays songs from it
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22:53:26Slasherireacocard: sounds good, i have almost always done all of the testing on the real target.. almost never used the simulator :)
22:54:03reacocardSlasheri: sims are nice for quick testing, and for testing multiple targets, but the real thing is better
22:54:17reacocardsubtle differences can be bug trouble
22:54:23reacocarder, big trouble
22:54:25Slasherireacocard: only the usb port is little worn out.. because of those thousands of times plugging in the cable :)
22:54:41reacocardclearly we need a usb cable witha switch on it
22:55:36DaCapnOr a switch with a USB cable on it.
22:57:45*gevaerts recommends unplugging in the PC side.
22:59:47Slasherigevaerts: good advise, never thought that before :)
23:00:20gevaertsSlasheri: mini-connectors are designed for much less plug/unplug cycles than the full size ones
23:01:35*reacocard has a usb extender cable he cna use to minimize wear on the regular cable ^__^
23:02:10*gevaerts doesn't care about wear on the cable. Cables are cheap
23:02:25reacocardwell, the sansa cable is proprietary
23:03:35gevaertsreacocard: well, anyway, you won't wear out a regular usb plug. A mini maybe, but not a regular
23:04:28gevaertsThat proprietary connector however...
23:04:43*gevaerts doesn't think that those look very solid
23:05:13reacocardthey're more of a pain to disconnect than the standard ones anyway :)
23:05:28bluebrotherbtw, I've heared there are "micro" usb connectors around. Is this true? I only know about micro usb
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23:06:13gevaertsThere is micro, yes. I think it's originally a Nokia design, but it got standardized
23:06:24saratogalinuxstb: around?
23:06:27gevaertsIt's a bit thinner than mini
23:06:32bluebrotherah. Interesting.
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