| 00:00:14 | bluebrother | and don't just blindly add everything around to the diff ... |
| 00:00:14 | linuxstb | Casainho: You mean "svn diff > rbplayer.diff" ? |
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| 00:00:39 | Casainho | linuxstb: yes :-) |
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| 00:01:49 | linuxstb | Casainho: As bluebrother said, your patch is very hard to read for two reasons: 1) It includes lots and lots of unneeded new files; 2) It contains unrelated changes. Try typing "svn update", and also remove any unneeded files you've added |
| 00:01:54 | num1 | and what does crossfade on "shuffle and track skip" mean? |
| 00:02:21 | linuxstb | num1: The manual doesn't explain? |
| 00:02:29 | num1 | linuxstb: that's a good point |
| 00:04:18 | num1 | http://pastebin.com/d1b76c295 |
| 00:04:56 | num1 | ^^ it's obvious not after reading the manual, but the manual does not say what it is. |
| 00:05:02 | num1 | s/not/now |
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| 00:21:58 | num1 | allright, this one's not in the manual: Settings->General Settings->System->Keyclick->Keyclick Repeats |
| 00:25:32 | n1s | num1: feel free to post a patch adding it |
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| 00:27:13 | pixelma | it would already help if you could write a short description as plain text, also stating which section it should belong to |
| 00:27:44 | pixelma | ^num1 |
| 00:28:48 | num1 | as for keyclick repeats, I don't know what it does and was wondering if anyone here would tell me |
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| 00:33:17 | num1 | as for crossfade, it could be changes as follows: http://pastebin.com/d41d8db51 |
| 00:33:47 | num1 | s/changes/changed |
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| 00:36:33 | kugel | num1: how's your png viewer going? |
| 00:37:16 | Casainho | linuxstb: can you see this pacth? : http://html.casainho.net/rbplayer.diff |
| 00:37:41 | Casainho | that pacth is "clean" now... |
| 00:38:19 | num1 | kugel: temporarily on hold while I handle school work and this turkish translation before the 3.0 release |
| 00:38:47 | kugel | num1: I waited for you to upload your progress on the tracker.. |
| 00:39:47 | kugel | Casainho: Your player is using arm926ej? |
| 00:40:01 | num1 | kugel: Sorry but I don't think it's quality enough to warrant showing to others, I'll start a patch within a month |
| 00:40:07 | linuxstb | Casainho: Is bootloader/lowlevel.c needed? |
| 00:40:12 | Casainho | kugel: yes - Atmel AT91SAM9260 |
| 00:40:35 | Casainho | linuxstb: yes, because crt0.S calls a function on that file... |
| 00:40:36 | kugel | the sony a8xx series is using the same cpu |
| 00:40:59 | Casainho | num1: please read more here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxPlayerLittlePrototype |
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| 00:41:37 | kugel | num1: Virtually any written code is quality enough to be put on the tracker |
| 00:41:56 | linuxstb | Casainho: You also have a copy in firmware/target/arm/at91sam/rockboxplayerlittle/lowlevel.c but no SOURCES file appear to be compiling it |
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| 00:44:17 | lymeca | Hi, I'm looking for Apple firmware images for my 5.5g 80GB |
| 00:44:25 | lymeca | I don't remember the site to download them at |
| 00:44:47 | Casainho | linuxstb: thanks - will recitfy that |
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| 00:46:40 | linuxstb | lymeca: See here - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodManualRestore |
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| 00:54:26 | Casainho | linuxstb: here is all files for rockboc player port: http://html.casainho.net/rockboxplayer_port.tar.bz2 |
| 00:54:43 | Casainho | could you please help to see why bootloader file is 0 bytes? |
| 00:56:49 | lymeca | linuxstb: Thank you, got it. |
| 00:57:33 | saratoga | mcuelenaere: (for the logs) have you looked at the iaudio 7 patch recently? I'm wondering when it could go into SVN |
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| 01:00:44 | linuxstb | Casainho: Compare your boot.lds file with one for an existing Rockbox target. You need to set ENTRY and STARTUP correctly. If I understand correctly, ENTRY is a symbol in the STARTUP file. |
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| 01:02:44 | Casainho | linuxstb: thank you −− I will compare tipycal files from RB with that ones |
| 01:02:48 | Casainho | good night :-) |
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| 01:07:16 | amiconn | Some theme(s) seem(s) to use chicago12... |
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| 01:13:14 | amiconn | rasher: ping |
| 01:13:38 | rasher | amiconn: Yup? |
| 01:14:15 | amiconn | I now checked all themes in the wps galleries, and SVN of course. Judging from that, I think we should drop the following fonts: |
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| 01:17:17 | amiconn | 00-Starmap, alt8x8, clR6x8-8859-2 (will be integrated into rocbox_default), courB* (2), Hebrew* (4), ter-u*v (2, quasi-dupes of ter-u*b), timR08, uwe_prop |
| 01:17:36 | amiconn | win_crox4h is actually used (but only that one size) |
| 01:18:57 | amiconn | I didn't check the wps graveyard though |
| 01:20:47 | rasher | amiconn: Sounds great - now write a script to search and replace in the theme files and recreate the zips :) |
| 01:21:24 | wpyh | mcuelenaere: I've tried it again, now even commenting out sti() calls, but it never works when I treat the device as a vx767 |
| 01:21:35 | wpyh | it only runs if I treat the device as a vx747 |
| 01:22:00 | wpyh | there might be something else here −− some vx767-specific format that the OF has and rockboot.vx747 doesn't |
| 01:22:05 | amiconn | rasher: This isn't the renaming step yet... just the cleanup |
| 01:22:22 | amiconn | And I'm not that good at scripting stuff :/ |
| 01:22:33 | amiconn | Btw, there are non-downloadable themes (give 404) |
| 01:22:48 | wpyh | if I treat the device as a vx747, then it runs and the lcd is initialized (although it shows garbage) |
| 01:23:06 | Soap | amiconn, in the WPS galleries or the graveyards? |
| 01:23:28 | wpyh | the garbage doesn't seem to be random; rather, they seem to be what the lcd used to be like... |
| 01:23:36 | amiconn | Mostly in the graveyards, but iirc also some in the galleries |
| 01:23:49 | rasher | amiconn: if you already have the zips, simply doing sed -i -e 's/oldfontname1/newfontname1/' -e 's/oldfontname2/newfontname2/' should do the trick |
| 01:24:05 | Soap | I am aware of two or three in the graveyards... |
| 01:24:07 | amiconn | ?? |
| 01:24:49 | Soap | I left the broken links alone, I figured if we cared enough a wiki admin could search for the orphaned files and perhaps they are attached to another page. |
| 01:25:39 | amiconn | rasher: (1) I have the zips in a single folder. (2) I'd need to replace the fontname in certain file(s) within the .zip... |
| 01:26:54 | amiconn | (3) I'd need to know which files changed, in order to upload them. That'll also take quite a while, both because uplink << downlink, and because I'd have to do that manually |
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| 01:28:20 | * | amiconn is going to check the graveyaerd themes as well |
| 01:29:45 | kugel | Do we consider removing the included fonts? |
| 01:31:56 | wpyh | mcuelenaere: I think I found the reason :) |
| 01:33:02 | wpyh | the base address for the OF's onda.bin in vx747 is 0x80e00000, in vx767 is 0x80e10000. rockboot.vx747 has a base at 0x80e00000, so the addresses are all wrong −− therefore I need to treat it as a vx747 for the code to run |
| 01:33:29 | wpyh | however, I think we do actually need VX767_1.0.dl; it may contain some hw initialization routines |
| 01:34:00 | amiconn | hrmmm |
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| 01:35:30 | amiconn | Eek. There's even a theme using alt8x8 in the graveyard... |
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| 01:47:35 | wpyh | is anyone interested in FS #9232 at all? |
| 01:47:45 | amiconn | rasher: Does your font matrix update live? |
| 01:48:14 | rasher | amiconn: it could. Currently I think it updates once a week or something |
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| 01:49:33 | amiconn | I'd like to use it for checking which fonts will still need conversion after committing the deletions |
| 01:50:39 | rasher | amiconn: Maybe just notify me after you commit |
| 01:50:44 | amiconn | ok |
| 01:51:03 | amiconn | I'll just check whether limiting the builtin font works, then commit |
| 01:58:41 | wpyh | desowin: jewels don't need the help viewer... but it can use it |
| 01:59:52 | * | wpyh gives up |
| 01:59:59 | kugel | wpyh: I haven't looked to deeply yet. Is the help text meant to be hardcoded or given as a text file? |
| 02:00 |
| 02:00:16 | * | wpyh gets some hope now |
| 02:00:38 | wpyh | kugel: the help text is supposed to be a string, compiled in the plugin |
| 02:00:55 | wpyh | (we don't need a text file alongside a plugin, do we?) |
| 02:01:00 | kugel | wpyh: that's probably fine |
| 02:01:24 | kugel | I just wonder what will happen to the help texts after plugin localization |
| 02:01:40 | wpyh | this help viewer is the first step towards making all the plugins have a menu system |
| 02:01:52 | wpyh | or at least something like that |
| 02:02:07 | wpyh | well, after plugin localization, I think we may need to modify the code a bit... |
| 02:02:35 | kugel | Hmm |
| 02:02:50 | wpyh | for example, we don't use spaces in chinese, so we can't use that |
| 02:02:56 | kugel | What about the manual? Couldn't the manual texts be used for the help text? |
| 02:03:28 | desowin | wpyh: yes, I know, it's why I said, it's no use for me ;) |
| 02:03:37 | kugel | but that'd probably also mess up localization |
| 02:03:38 | wpyh | we need to allocate a buffer to indicate at which byte positions the help text will be split |
| 02:04:12 | pixelma | wpyh: and different font or display sizes? |
| 02:04:30 | wpyh | the manual? hm... I haven't looked at that yet; but this help viewer is mainly for viewing help texts like that of solitaire's |
| 02:04:47 | wpyh | desowin: well, yeah.. but I hope it would be useful for others ;) |
| 02:05:32 | wpyh | pixelma: the help text is formatted at plugin init, and it's ok because we can't change fonts when a plugin is running AFAIK |
| 02:05:34 | kugel | wpyh: Yea, but I thought of stealing text from the manual and wrap it into the help text for each plugin |
| 02:05:45 | kugel | or, somehow the other way around |
| 02:07:12 | pixelma | ok, misunderstood before |
| 02:07:29 | wpyh | kugel: I haven't looked at the manual actually −− does it contain help texts for the various plugins? |
| 02:07:48 | * | wpyh just seen it |
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| 02:08:39 | wpyh | kugel: well, we could probably use that |
| 02:08:48 | wpyh | but we need to do some parsing then |
| 02:08:54 | s1mp3 | hi all |
| 02:09:06 | s1mp3 | I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask this question |
| 02:09:25 | s1mp3 | but I have a s1 mp3 player which is based on the Action chip |
| 02:09:44 | s1mp3 | am wondering if there is a Linux port exist or if not how hard is it to write one? |
| 02:09:49 | desowin | s1mp3: afaik there's some opensource firmware for that |
| 02:10:00 | s1mp3 | desowin: great |
| 02:10:08 | s1mp3 | do you know the name of it? |
| 02:10:18 | wpyh | s1mp3.org |
| 02:10:36 | amiconn | rasher: Committed. |
| 02:10:41 | wpyh | I wonder how you could use that name and not know of it ;) |
| 02:10:50 | kugel | wpyh: Yea, but this could happen at compiling time |
| 02:11:19 | wpyh | kugel: if we can do it at compile time, then why not? :) |
| 02:11:27 | rasher | amiconn: updating |
| 02:11:31 | kugel | :) |
| 02:11:34 | wpyh | so, do you propose having a separate help file for every language? |
| 02:12:11 | kugel | no, but maybe a seperate help file for all languages, with some kind of usefull seperator |
| 02:12:21 | s1mp3 | wpyh: I have been to that site, but didn't find anything, their developer page is not even up |
| 02:12:31 | kugel | err, I mean all languages in one help file |
| 02:12:33 | desowin | s1mp3: oh, and not every firmware is linux port |
| 02:13:02 | wpyh | kugel: ok, I think we can have that |
| 02:13:22 | wpyh | but how? ;p |
| 02:13:26 | s1mp3 | desowin: sure :) but I thought that was the only OS in the world ;) |
| 02:13:39 | kugel | wpyh: I don't know, maybe it's better to have the help text in the plugin binary, I don't know |
| 02:13:46 | kugel | it's just an idea |
| 02:14:03 | wpyh | hm... |
| 02:14:24 | wpyh | how about having the help text in the binary now, and worry about localization later? |
| 02:14:43 | kugel | sounds reasonable |
| 02:15:06 | desowin | s1mp3: hopefully it's not, but such chit-chat better to be handled into #rockbox-community |
| 02:16:45 | s1mp3 | desowin: roger that |
| 02:16:50 | s1mp3 | later guys |
| 02:17:04 | s1mp3 | and thanks for your help |
| 02:17:21 | rasher | amiconn: done |
| 02:17:27 | amiconn | tnx |
| 02:17:37 | amiconn | Now step 2: the conversion |
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| 02:21:11 | kugel | I wonder why I don't get notified on the iaudio7 port task |
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| 02:21:48 | amiconn | umm |
| 02:22:15 | amiconn | rasher: The glyphs aren't in order after conversion. Is this a known problem? |
| 02:22:26 | kugel | I'm definitely watching it, but I never get emails on comments added or the like |
| 02:22:50 | rasher | amiconn: they ought to be, and I'm pretty sure I tried to ensure they were. |
| 02:24:48 | amiconn | Umm, indeed they are. I was confused by 00-Starmap just naming its characters with numbers |
| 02:24:57 | rasher | Ah |
| 02:25:01 | rasher | That's good then |
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| 02:35:31 | amiconn | rasher: Your matrix still lists rockbox_default under iso8859-1 ... |
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| 03:01:05 | jhMikeS | Unhelpful: Hello. I'll look into that problem that you mentioned. Go ahead and try to confuse it. |
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| 03:34:52 | gevaerts | \o/ |
| 03:35:00 | * | gevaerts runs custom code on his M6SL! |
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| 03:35:50 | pixelma | congrats |
| 03:36:20 | gevaerts | I can now switch the backlight on and off by pressing play :) |
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| 03:36:56 | Unhelpful | jhMikeS: heh, i was going to poke you about it again soon. if i modify stop_charger to clear error conditions, it works for now. i think that things in the charging code are somehow happening in the wrong order, but it's hard to say for sure, since logf in powermgmt-imx31.c crashes rockbox |
| 03:39:18 | gevaerts | It's pretty simple actually. |
| 03:40:59 | gevaerts | For M6SL normally the dfu tool first uploads flashing code and then the actual firmware. I've been trying to flash new "actual firmware" without much success (the flashing works, but the code didn't run) |
| 03:41:11 | amiconn | Just something for discussion: I consider dropping 00-Starmap (didn't do so in step1) and win-crox* as well |
| 03:41:22 | gevaerts | Now I just uploaded the test code first. That works (but it isn't flashed) |
| 03:42:25 | amiconn | The former because of bad coverage (although it claims to be Win-1252 it's only little more than ascii), the latter because of their weird encoding. RAWIN-R is *not* Win-1251, plus coverage isn't great either |
| 03:44:37 | amiconn | Also, what about adding a fonts/README that explains the naming and encoding constraints, and includes a list of the renamed/removed fonts? |
| 03:45:43 | amiconn | 00-Starmap isn't used in any current theme (only in the graveyard), but win-crox4h is used (in the gallery, not in svn) |
| 03:47:31 | wpyh | gevaerts: in that case, I think your custom code was not being loaded when it was flashed onto the nand |
| 03:47:47 | wpyh | that should explain why the custom code runs unflashed |
| 03:47:48 | wpyh | :) |
| 03:47:50 | gevaerts | most probably, yes |
| 03:47:58 | wpyh | to test that hypothesis |
| 03:48:08 | wpyh | you can replace the main firmware inside M6SL.ebn |
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| 03:48:31 | Aaron2 | Hi there. I have recently installed Rockbox on my 4th gen 20gb ipod. |
| 03:48:39 | wpyh | see, it's basically just a header (32768 bytes) followed by the main firmware, followed by the tail (0xa5a5a5a5 0x5a5a5a5a 0xa5a5a5a5 0x5a5a5a5a) |
| 03:48:54 | wpyh | if that works, then we can safely say the code won't load without the loader |
| 03:48:59 | Aaron2 | I've made a few recordings with it, but I am unable to use my ipod to playback the recordings it made. Ideas? |
| 03:49:09 | * | wpyh has to go soon... |
| 03:49:16 | Aaron2 | When I select the files, it goes to the playback screen, but does not play. |
| 03:50:01 | gevaerts | wpyh: what's really frustrating is that I didn't change any code (I did, but I reverted it all). markun could have had this running two months ago... |
| 03:50:30 | wpyh | but we didn't have meizu_dfu.c ;) |
| 03:50:44 | wpyh | so it was difficult for him to recover / put code on his player |
| 03:51:13 | gevaerts | I'll try the main firmware trick tomorrow. Time to sleep now |
| 03:51:31 | wpyh | good night :) |
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| 03:52:02 | wpyh | gevaert: btw, can I try it too? |
| 03:52:07 | wpyh | (is it in the current svn?) |
| 03:52:22 | gevaerts | wpyh: sure. I've just committed the only needed change (remove an #if 0) |
| 03:52:37 | wpyh | ok, thanks :) |
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| 05:15:58 | jhMikeS | Unhelpful: Sorry to not be more responsive but I've just been super busy. It is _supposed_ to reset error on a replug. Also race conditions are impossible to avoid to it needs to be tolerant of that. |
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| 05:20:14 | Unhelpful | jhMikeS: i wasn't trying to imply you were lazy or anything. you have things to do besides write rockbox, just like i have things to do besides beat on this bug and try to shake out the cause. |
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| 05:22:30 | Unhelpful | as written, stop_charger(false) makes a point of not setting the state to DISCHARGE if it's already ERROR. how is charging_algorithm_small_check being called? |
| 05:23:22 | Unhelpful | i'm imagining something like it being called from a time, and the race condition being between the non-availability of charging data, because of the hardware having notice the lack of a power source, and the charger_input_state having been set |
| 05:24:09 | Unhelpful | if it's that sort of thing, there might be some way to see *why* the ADC read failed, and disregard it if it's due to unplug? |
| 05:25:04 | Unhelpful | for right now, just changing the else if check on CHARGE_STATE_ERROR in stop_charger to an else is at least a workaround |
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| 05:28:57 | saratoga | jhMikeS: not to throw more stuff at you, but I can't seem to get test_codec to work with a multithreaded codec |
| 05:29:08 | saratoga | is there something special the SPC codec does to make it work? |
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| 05:32:49 | Unhelpful | also, i thought that rockbox would make my gigabeat print money. it won't print money. ;) |
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| 05:41:46 | Horscht | Unhelpful, you have to ifdef it |
| 05:42:31 | Unhelpful | #define ROCKBOX_PRINTS_COUNTERFEIT USD |
| 05:42:56 | Horscht | yep |
| 05:44:05 | Horscht | laters |
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| 08:37:07 | kcin | Hi |
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| 08:39:26 | kcin | Does rockbox have a cover flow feature? |
| 08:40:17 | kcin | Also, is there anyway to brick my ipod installing rockbox? |
| 08:40:26 | LinusN | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginPictureFlow |
| 08:40:36 | kcin | awesome |
| 08:40:41 | LinusN | it is nearly impossible to brick an ipod |
| 08:41:00 | kcin | cool beans thanks.. hack on |
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| 08:46:24 | * | GodEater can't tell from the logs whether or not the branch happened |
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| 08:47:49 | * | GodEater points out that this was a hint to answer the unspoken "did we branch or not yesterday?" question.... |
| 08:48:02 | Gartral | hi all, this is more a general Q: what can i do about a sansa who's headphone jack is going? |
| 08:48:16 | kcin | going? |
| 08:48:21 | kcin | going where |
| 08:48:54 | Gartral | bad |
| 08:48:58 | GodEater | resolder it |
| 08:48:59 | scorche|sh | Gartral: that isnt really rockbox related, but you likely need to re-solder the jack/the pad that is lifting |
| 08:49:12 | B4gder | Gartral: rip it apart, solder it back, put it together, smile |
| 08:49:32 | kcin | Are bluetooth adapters supported for ipods in rockbox? |
| 08:49:38 | Gartral | ok, next prob is a dont have any soldering tools |
| 08:49:49 | Gartral | not to my knowledge |
| 08:49:57 | GodEater | Gartral: either buy some, or find someone who has them. |
| 08:50:05 | kcin | aww for real no BT? |
| 08:50:19 | GodEater | kcin: how do they attach to the ipod ? |
| 08:50:29 | kcin | dock port |
| 08:50:42 | GodEater | well, they *might* work with a patch which is currently undergoing testing |
| 08:50:42 | kcin | some bt headsets have controls on them |
| 08:50:45 | Gartral | kcin: not unless there generic and plug into the headphone jack, if it used dock parts, then no |
| 08:51:00 | kcin | the idea of the doc port is to control it via the headset |
| 08:51:03 | GodEater | Gartral: we have an AAP patch undergoing testing |
| 08:51:18 | Gartral | ahh |
| 08:51:21 | kcin | ive seen a few straight stereo adapter but seems like a clunky solution |
| 08:51:48 | Gartral | i like my radiocaster, but that belongs in off-topic :P |
| 08:52:23 | GodEater | kcin: see here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17841.0 |
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| 08:59:40 | Gartral | ohh, could someone tell me the projected battery drain of using a miniSDHC class 6 4 gig for movies? |
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| 09:00:43 | GodEater | the SDHC drain will be the least of your worries - the backlight / display will be way worse. |
| 09:01:40 | Gartral | hmm, but will different classes drain more? |
| 09:01:54 | B4gder | I doubt that |
| 09:02:13 | GodEater | possibly, but it will be thoroughly neglibile compared to the display / backlight drain you'll get for watching such a large movie |
| 09:02:43 | DogBoy | graphical install now on linux neato |
| 09:02:44 | GodEater | *neglible |
| 09:02:56 | GodEater | DogBoy: it's been there for at least a year... |
| 09:03:00 | Gartral | well, it deffinatly wont be 1 whold movie |
| 09:03:09 | DogBoy | guess it's been over a year since I installed it |
| 09:04:22 | Gartral | i like ghost in the shell, so it would be like 2 full movies and whole bunce of 25-30 min movies |
| 09:05:47 | GodEater | regardless - the sdhc current drain is still not the important bit |
| 09:06:06 | kcin | Has there been any work done for rockbox on the classic? |
| 09:06:16 | Gartral | right, i might reverse rolls and use internal as movies, external as music |
| 09:07:05 | Gartral | kcin: no, the Ipod classics are under some wierd encryption, nothings been done so far |
| 09:08:13 | Gartral | same as the G6s |
| 09:08:20 | Gartral | right? |
| 09:08:32 | kcin | yea |
| 09:09:13 | scorche|sh | it isnt necessarily "weird" as "we dont know the key"...and that is besides the matter of all the new undocumented hardware |
| 09:09:14 | GodEater | Gartral: I think you're missing the point here - where you store the movies will be irrelevant. Playing them back and watching them will eat your battery. |
| 09:10:57 | kcin | seems they stop selling a specific model when they find out everyone hacked it up LOL |
| 09:11:09 | Gartral | GodEater: right, but im trying to minimise the immense impact, ive already experienced it in full, dont worry, i als have 3 batterys and replaced my screws with posiclips |
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| 09:11:50 | GodEater | Gartral: All I'm saying is that if you can actually perceive a difference in runtime between the two storage mediums, I'll be fucking amazed. |
| 09:12:07 | scorche|sh | Gartral: why dont you just benchmark the two methods and be done with it? |
| 09:12:21 | * | scorche|sh stands over on GodEater's side of the room |
| 09:13:09 | amiconn | rasher: around now? |
| 09:13:11 | Gartral | cus i dont have the card yet, its still a few days away, and i ussually gauge down to 5 mins oon runtime |
| 09:13:22 | kcin | what players do you guys have? |
| 09:13:31 | * | GodEater has lots |
| 09:13:32 | Gartral | sansa e250 |
| 09:13:40 | GodEater | scorche|sh: has more, and amiconn has shedloads |
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| 09:14:21 | kcin | which player has the most support? seems i would need to go hunt for a ipod 5G if i really wanted an ipod |
| 09:14:36 | GodEater | "most" support ? |
| 09:14:41 | scorche|sh | there isnt one with the most support...what specifically do you mean? |
| 09:14:45 | Gartral | thats a hard discription |
| 09:15:04 | Gartral | its more what you want to do with the thing |
| 09:15:08 | kcin | well are all rockbox features available to all hardware? |
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| 09:15:24 | GodEater | of course not |
| 09:15:35 | GodEater | you can't implement a colour screen on a black and white target |
| 09:15:39 | scorche|sh | kcin: what features did you want? |
| 09:15:40 | kcin | oh i know that |
| 09:15:49 | Gartral | most, but things like radio only works with sansas, etc, not ipods, |
| 09:16:23 | GodEater | if the target has a radio, we support it for the most part |
| 09:16:29 | kcin | yea... sorry dont listen to me.. its late im goin to bed :-D |
| 09:16:54 | * | GodEater would never recommend an ipod as a rockbox target |
| 09:17:01 | kcin | oh reall |
| 09:17:02 | kcin | y |
| 09:17:26 | scorche|sh | GodEater: well, a nano isnt so bad... |
| 09:17:38 | kcin | cowon looks pretty cool |
| 09:17:54 | GodEater | scorche|sh: none of them are "so bad" - I just wouldn't recommend one |
| 09:18:26 | Gartral | i wouldnt mind a 30 gig vid, but it would run IPL not rb |
| 09:18:40 | kcin | what sucks is I know i just cant go out there and buy it because of the different versions that are not usually printed on the box |
| 09:18:48 | kcin | it as in any player |
| 09:19:10 | kcin | what is IPL? |
| 09:19:14 | GodEater | Ipod Linux |
| 09:19:17 | kcin | Ohhh |
| 09:19:20 | kcin | yea |
| 09:19:21 | Gartral | i bought my sansa refurb off of amazon, and im so happy |
| 09:19:39 | kcin | oh yea thats good news |
| 09:20:03 | * | Gartral notes that if it were possible to boot rb from ipl, he would probably use both |
| 09:20:06 | kcin | i have a cheapy sansa express laying around and its bricked |
| 09:20:09 | GodEater | kcin: in any case, you can't just "go out there and buy it" because none of the Rockbox targets are manufactured any more. You'll need to acquire a second hand model from somewhere. |
| 09:20:22 | GodEater | Gartral: that's more than possible |
| 09:20:23 | kcin | oh none of them are |
| 09:20:45 | kcin | arg |
| 09:20:55 | Gartral | not one, untill the RBPlayer comes out of the works |
| 09:21:15 | GodEater | don't hold your breath |
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| 09:21:54 | Gartral | i wnat to help on it, but i need to get the money together, and in lakewood ohio, thats not so easy |
| 09:21:57 | scorche|sh | this is getting a bit offtopic... |
| 09:22:00 | Gartral | want* |
| 09:23:03 | Gartral | its #rockbox offtopic, right? |
| 09:23:37 | kcin | im just talking about supported hardware.. thats ot? |
| 09:24:14 | scorche|sh | Gartral: huh? |
| 09:24:52 | kcin | i think imma go with a iriver |
| 09:24:54 | scorche|sh | talking about ipl, "i got x", unsupported targets, etc |
| 09:24:59 | Gartral | the offtopic branch channel, or was it closed? |
| 09:25:19 | scorche|sh | Gartral: read the topic and the guidelines? |
| 09:26:48 | Gartral | my irc client filters out the auto post message, and doesnt display topic header >.> |
| 09:27:59 | GodEater | the guidelines are on the website |
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| 09:28:50 | Gartral | im on a god damned amiga, i dont have web! lol |
| 09:29:07 | * | B4gder waits for amiconn's rebuttal to that |
| 09:29:35 | * | GodEater is starting to suffer a sense of humour failure |
| 09:30:05 | kcin | It seems there is a FPS limitation on the irivers for video? |
| 09:30:33 | Gartral | all i know is it used to be #rockbox-offtopic, did it change? or my irc client busted and not loading multible channels like it should be? |
| 09:31:08 | scorche|sh | there never was a #rockbox-offtopic |
| 09:31:15 | * | GodEater agrees with scorche|sh |
| 09:31:25 | B4gder | it was always #rockbox-wareallhere |
| 09:31:28 | * | B4gder giggles |
| 09:31:52 | Gartral | -sighs and hangs his head- im no dolt |
| 09:39:19 | * | Gartral whistles voodoo as it plays |
| 09:40:45 | B4gder | hrmpf, feature request posted as patch... |
| 09:41:50 | Gartral | no my fault >.> |
| 09:42:25 | * | B4gder looks at Gartral |
| 09:43:14 | Gartral | although, would it be feasible to add a buffer to the radio the add a limited pause to the radio? |
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| 09:44:42 | Gartral | i guess silence means no here... |
| 09:44:55 | B4gder | you're new to irc I see |
| 09:45:09 | B4gder | silences means nothing, just that nobody replied |
| 09:45:40 | cfp | hello all ! |
| 09:45:53 | B4gder | cfp: stop submitting feature requests as patches please |
| 09:46:37 | B4gder | we took away the feature request tracker and made a forum section for them |
| 09:47:03 | cfp | ? |
| 09:47:25 | B4gder | FS #9353 is not yours? |
| 09:48:17 | cfp | you mean, FS 9353 ? |
| 09:48:34 | cfp | it is, but it is not a feature request |
| 09:48:44 | B4gder | then what is it? a patch? |
| 09:49:11 | cfp | well, yes |
| 09:49:17 | cfp | to add the three wps tags mentionned |
| 09:49:29 | B4gder | no, it's a request to add them |
| 09:49:32 | GodEater | Gartral: I know at least one other developer who is in favour of "Tivo-esque" features for the radio - but as far as I'm aware no work has been done on it. |
| 09:49:48 | cfp | nope, there's an attached patch to actually add them |
| 09:49:57 | linuxstb | B4gder: I can see a patch there... |
| 09:49:57 | B4gder | ah my bad, sorry |
| 09:50:08 | cfp | no problem |
| 09:50:18 | * | B4gder 's network is playing tricks and took ages to show that page |
| 09:50:30 | GodEater | B4gder is clearly in need of more morning coffee and donuts and to stop him from being grumpy ;) |
| 09:50:34 | pixelma | cfp: why do you think balance and channel config is swcodec only? Crossfeed is though |
| 09:50:37 | * | scorche|sh thinks B4gder needsmore coff.....bah! |
| 09:50:42 | cfp | woops |
| 09:50:46 | cfp | right |
| 09:50:47 | GodEater | scorche|sh: hehe ;) |
| 09:50:48 | B4gder | more more more |
| 09:51:01 | * | cfp had started feeling guilty |
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| 09:51:21 | * | B4gder shuts up and sits in the back |
| 09:51:22 | * | cfp hands a big cup of coffee to B4gder |
| 09:51:34 | B4gder | aaah |
| 09:51:53 | Gartral | -feeds badger a knightstich full of cinnimon powdered doughnuts |
| 09:52:07 | B4gder | /whois badger |
| 09:52:08 | B4gder | oops |
| 09:52:12 | Gartral | knightstick* |
| 09:52:27 | scorche|sh | B4gder: some weird swede...though that is a bit redundant |
| 09:52:35 | Gartral | badger whois'd himself, lol |
| 09:52:40 | B4gder | I did? |
| 09:52:47 | * | B4gder waits for a subtle hint to drop |
| 09:53:21 | * | GodEater thinks it's too subtle ;) |
| 09:53:26 | GodEater | although I got it |
| 09:53:27 | B4gder | clearly |
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| 09:54:16 | * | pixelma hands Gartral some glasses, though this is getting off-topic |
| 09:54:56 | GodEater | again! |
| 09:55:19 | Gartral | again? |
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| 09:56:46 | cfp | pixelma: better now (about my patch) ? |
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| 09:57:32 | cfp | and by the way, does someone know how I could manage to access properties by name from wps ? |
| 09:58:02 | linuxstb | cfp: I think there was a patch for that - something like "arbitrary tags" |
| 09:58:15 | linuxstb | Assuming that's what you mean |
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| 09:59:39 | GodEater | B4gder: I found this which looks useful : http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz/2007/09/how-to-publish-git-repository.html |
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| 10:00:30 | cfp | it is |
| 10:00:36 | cfp | but I can't find this patch |
| 10:01:00 | B4gder | GodEater: thanks, I'll read that closer later |
| 10:02:11 | cfp | linuxstb: oh right you mean FS #2616 |
| 10:02:32 | cfp | I was thinking of accessing config options, in fact |
| 10:02:39 | GodEater | it looks like there's just three things to do to make the git repo publish over http - two git specific commands, and making the git dir accessible over http (with a virtual host or something I guess) |
| 10:02:49 | cfp | to avoid adding to many tags to the wps |
| 10:02:52 | GodEater | I assume the server hosting it has apache or something installed |
| 10:03:24 | cfp | ie, writing something like %pr|<config option name> |
| 10:03:27 | B4gder | GodEater: yes, it runs apache etc, I'll just make sure the chroot stuff works properly to show both the git and the git http server in the same jail |
| 10:03:54 | cfp | to display the value of the related config option |
| 10:03:59 | GodEater | B4gder: awesome - you're most kind |
| 10:05:01 | cfp | this would allow removing lots of tags from the wps - all the ones related to config options in fact - |
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| 10:13:19 | cfp | Also |
| 10:13:19 | rasher | amiconn: here now |
| 10:13:40 | cfp | Has anybody been able to confirm bug FS #9335 ? |
| 10:18:38 | pondlife | Oops - I've fixed #9352 but incorrectly... |
| 10:19:00 | pondlife | No, actually it's fine |
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| 10:19:58 | pondlife | B4gder: You about to branch? |
| 10:21:51 | pixelma | cfp: sounds related to http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7967 |
| 10:22:32 | pixelma | are you using shuffle or "insert shuffled"? |
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| 10:24:44 | B4gder | amiconn: you mentioned a need to get alerted before a branch happens, why is that? |
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| 10:26:56 | * | GodEater sprinkles fairy dust on the command |
| 10:27:37 | amiconn | B4gder:Probably because I have no idea how to work with branches... |
| 10:28:35 | B4gder | I figure we just checkout the branch when we want to work on the branch specifically, and otherwise we continue poking on trunk |
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| 10:29:14 | amiconn | rasher: 2 quick questions: (1) Why does rockbox_default still show as ISO8859-1 in your matrix? (2) Do you have the .bdf files for the fonts on your fonts site accessible somewhere? |
| 10:29:51 | amiconn | I'd like to remove the win-crox stuff, and in turn commit some more sizes of helvetica as a replacement (the only used win-crox is the 4h (helvetica)) variant |
| 10:30:14 | amiconn | B4gder: What if a change should affect both? |
| 10:30:34 | B4gder | then we do them on trunk fist, then apply them on the branch too |
| 10:31:01 | pondlife | How do revision numbers work with a branch? |
| 10:31:12 | B4gder | the number is global for the entire repo |
| 10:31:16 | rasher | amiconn: ah, I force the encoding on some fonts, so that's not going to update automaticly |
| 10:33:27 | pixelma | will there be some changes to the branch? E.g. it's been discussed at DevCon to remove plugins that don't work correctly especially wrt controls |
| 10:33:53 | B4gder | we should use the branch to cleanup for release imho |
| 10:35:54 | B4gder | so the fonts stuff is going into the release? |
| 10:36:04 | B4gder | then there's no point in branching yet |
| 10:36:40 | B4gder | I'm just worried that things will go as usual |
| 10:36:47 | B4gder | we come up with more and more and more |
| 10:36:54 | B4gder | and we never get to the point where we can release |
| 10:37:12 | B4gder | and we are on a freeze still |
| 10:37:47 | rasher | amiconn: using the script I posted it should be fairly easy to do on two branches |
| 10:38:32 | * | amiconn will try to do the fonts stuff asap |
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| 10:42:58 | cfp | pixelma: it was indeed a duplicate of FS #7967, so task #9335 can be closed. I posted my bug report in the comments of the aforementionned task |
| 10:43:19 | pixelma | ok, I close it then |
| 10:43:25 | cfp | great |
| 10:43:36 | cfp | do you have any idea where this could come from ? |
| 10:43:52 | cfp | as I think it mostly happens with large playlists |
| 10:44:08 | cfp | and stil, only when <All> entry is selected |
| 10:45:30 | pixelma | no, I have no idea. But I started nagging the developer who invented this... ;) |
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| 10:54:30 | amiconn_ | B4gder: Asap meaning tonight almost for sure |
| 10:56:14 | B4gder | ok, then let's have another branch attempt tomorrow! |
| 10:57:16 | funman | when will duke nukem forever be ported to rockbox ? |
| 10:57:30 | B4gder | that'd be right next after the 3.0 release B] |
| 10:57:31 | funman | </sarcasm> |
| 10:57:38 | funman | ;) |
| 10:58:27 | B4gder | hey, the 2.5 branch is at rev number 7531... :-) |
| 10:59:04 | * | amiconn_ wonders who will work on the release branch at all when the freeze is lifted :/ |
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| 10:59:37 | B4gder | hopefully a few that can build binaries that say "3.0" |
| 10:59:58 | B4gder | I guess that'd be me... |
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| 11:00:25 | t0mas | still the good old freeze/release discussions? |
| 11:00:35 | B4gder | t0mas: it never ends |
| 11:00:41 | B4gder | it just pauses a few years occasionally |
| 11:00:50 | t0mas | yeah, but it's not only Rockbox.. |
| 11:01:00 | B4gder | nah, it's a universal dilemma |
| 11:01:01 | t0mas | other projects have the same kind of issues :) |
| 11:01:59 | t0mas | I did work with a team a few months ago that handled it quite nicely.. they called it the "hold the line-method" |
| 11:02:15 | t0mas | try to fix all bugs on trunk just like the rockbox-freeze.. |
| 11:02:25 | t0mas | then unfreeze if there are no release blockers (all quite normal) |
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| 11:02:49 | t0mas | and when a new issue comes in (usually in batches because the test-team submits them) |
| 11:03:02 | t0mas | stop all development.. |
| 11:03:18 | t0mas | force everybody to use the released/under-testing branch.. and fix the issues |
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| 11:04:08 | t0mas | and nobody was allowed to do/commit anything while they were fixing issues.. the thing is that this was a corporate environment.. so it was ofcourse way easier to force people to work on something :) |
| 11:04:28 | B4gder | that makes everything totally different |
| 11:04:46 | B4gder | in fact, the situations tend to be very different and specific to the certain surroundings and culture |
| 11:04:57 | amiconn | Problem is that as soon as a freeze starts, svn activity goes way down, 'cause almost nobody really likes to work on fixing boring bugs (me included)... |
| 11:05:07 | t0mas | indeed |
| 11:05:19 | t0mas | that's a problem for open-source / voluteers.. |
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| 11:05:22 | t0mas | nobody likes fixing bugs.. |
| 11:05:34 | t0mas | but if it's your job to fix them you'll have to :) |
| 11:05:42 | amiconn | Actually fixing bugs isn't that bad, as long as you're not forced to... |
| 11:05:52 | amiconn | This is mainly a motivation problem |
| 11:06:09 | * | B4gder agrees |
| 11:06:21 | B4gder | I actually like fixing bugs in general |
| 11:06:21 | t0mas | maybe we should try to get the rockbox-board to release more often? |
| 11:06:27 | t0mas | 3.1 in 3 months? |
| 11:06:37 | t0mas | that would make the list of bugs smaller.. |
| 11:06:38 | B4gder | that's the plan |
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| 11:06:44 | amiconn | That's the plan, but it means we need to get that damn 3.0 out the door first |
| 11:06:45 | t0mas | ah.. sorry, hadn't read that |
| 11:07:19 | t0mas | and.. but that would require some automation of svn-merging... we could have the debian-style releases? |
| 11:07:27 | t0mas | unstable -> testing -> stable |
| 11:07:34 | B4gder | yuck |
| 11:07:55 | B4gder | 3.0 is for the weaklings |
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| 11:08:00 | B4gder | the rest runs trunk |
| 11:08:06 | t0mas | true :) |
| 11:08:20 | B4gder | having a "testing" just spreads out users in more camps |
| 11:08:31 | B4gder | I don't think it would benefit us much |
| 11:08:42 | t0mas | I have seen teams do this kind of thing too.. have a "almost stable" branch between trunk and "tada! release!" |
| 11:09:26 | B4gder | but if things are hard in two branches, having _three_ is even messier |
| 11:09:41 | t0mas | jup.. that's why you really need some automation on merging them |
| 11:09:50 | t0mas | doing that manually would be horrible :) |
| 11:09:57 | B4gder | well, and if we take debian as a fine example... |
| 11:10:04 | B4gder | it doesn't work fully automatically |
| 11:10:28 | t0mas | true too.. |
| 11:10:33 | B4gder | and yet they "just" merge full packages not source code |
| 11:10:54 | t0mas | the place I saw this in action was developing a "custom linux system" |
| 11:11:11 | t0mas | basically Linux + some control panel + software to control the device it was made for |
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| 11:11:20 | B4gder | but packages are an easier entity to work with then |
| 11:11:30 | B4gder | there's "just" some 2000-3000 separate pieces |
| 11:11:38 | B4gder | we have 400K source code lines |
| 11:11:42 | t0mas | the panel and control-software were in perl and C.. using normal SVN |
| 11:11:52 | t0mas | and in their system it worked quite well to automatically merge it.. |
| 11:12:14 | B4gder | but distros don't merge code between their branches |
| 11:12:19 | B4gder | they move packets |
| 11:12:20 | t0mas | they forced developers to name a ticket-number in the commit-message |
| 11:12:42 | t0mas | like: "Change x, y, z. Fixes #123" |
| 11:12:51 | t0mas | or "Change bla bla. Ref #123" |
| 11:13:26 | t0mas | which would link the change to that ticket-number.. and those changes would be automatically merged after someone reviewed the ticket.. and tested it.. |
| 11:13:58 | t0mas | afaik they didn't have much failed merge-attempts.. |
| 11:14:11 | B4gder | you don't need to describe that system |
| 11:14:15 | B4gder | as that won't work for us anyway |
| 11:14:26 | t0mas | nah... not in that way no :) |
| 11:14:38 | B4gder | not in any way |
| 11:15:03 | t0mas | it's an intriguing problem... releases in OSS |
| 11:15:45 | B4gder | I'd say that in most oss projects they're not this problematic |
| 11:15:58 | t0mas | true.. but what's different here? |
| 11:16:35 | B4gder | the large dev crowd, the non-existing dictator |
| 11:16:49 | B4gder | the large amount of people not caring about releases anyway |
| 11:16:52 | funman | same problem exists in vlc |
| 11:17:05 | t0mas | I think that last one is a really strong one |
| 11:17:21 | t0mas | as you said.. everybody is running the SVN-version anyway |
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| 11:17:54 | funman | it's like one new release for each commit, so you are satisfied |
| 11:18:03 | t0mas | the non-existing dictator might be fixed by the rockbox-board (what was it called?) |
| 11:19:10 | t0mas | well.. maybe we should just tag the trunk once a month as "test release" and not make any more than trivial effort to make that one work.. and then backport fixes for real bugs? |
| 11:19:30 | t0mas | that would make releasing less painfull? |
| 11:20:05 | t0mas | because everybody here uses that "version" anyway.. so it is actually usable.. |
| 11:20:53 | t0mas | and for the "just" users out there the backported release would still be a quite stable "release"? |
| 11:21:26 | B4gder | we have set roadmap for how to proceed from here and I think we should stick to that until it has been tested |
| 11:22:25 | t0mas | yes of course.. I was thinking aloud ;) |
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| 11:45:41 | amiconn | rasher: Any info on (2)? |
| 11:47:16 | rasher | amiconn: Ah, no. You'd have to check the xorg cvs. Or wait for me to do it to fulfill my obligations (I think at least some of them are GPL) |
| 11:48:03 | * | amiconn was unable to find the xorg cvs |
| 11:48:05 | rasher | cvs -d :pserver:anoncvs@cvs.freedesktop.org:/cvs/xorg co xc/fonts/bdf |
| 11:48:12 | rasher | At least if that still works |
| 11:48:20 | amiconn | I only found a git repo, which I was unable to browse :\ |
| 11:52:18 | GodEater | they didn't install gitweb ? |
| 11:52:59 | dionoea | they have a gitweb somewhere (I used it 2 weeks ago) |
| 11:53:32 | dionoea | http://gitweb.freedesktop.org/ |
| 11:54:10 | dionoea | amiconn: ^ |
| 11:56:00 | amiconn | I found that´, but I couldn't figure out how to find files in the repo. Only cryptic messages :\ |
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| 11:58:09 | dionoea | amiconn: you'll have to clone the repo then I guess |
| 11:58:55 | amiconn | Nothanks |
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| 12:00:00 | GodEater | I can't see bdf fonts in that tree there anyway |
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| 12:07:43 | dionoea | hum, the background images on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/WpsSansaE200/BnB_G-2.png look like Apple's Mac OS X icons |
| 12:08:00 | dionoea | not sure if those are GPL compatible |
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| 12:48:34 | rasher | amiconn: didn't the cvs work? |
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| 12:49:46 | amiconn | It did (apart from a strange message at the end) |
| 12:50:17 | amiconn | rasher: Could you fix your matrix? It would also be nice to test covergae of a new font before committing it. This matrix gives a nice overview... |
| 12:51:04 | rasher | amiconn: I can't get at it from here I'm afraid. After 6pm |
| 12:52:42 | rasher | Actually, I might be able to fix the first issue, but checking coverage of an uploaded font will have to wait |
| 12:55:01 | Soap | dionoea, they possibly are (Apple' |
| 12:55:08 | Soap | s and non-GPL) |
| 12:55:22 | Soap | We have no option but to take authors at their word. |
| 12:57:17 | rasher | amiconn: now rockbox_default gets put under 10646 fonts |
| 12:57:21 | rasher | amiconn: any other such fixes? |
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| 15:43:12 | markun | gevaerts: so what were we doing wrong at devcon when playing with the meizu flash? |
| 15:43:32 | markun | and do you use a modified firmware or just our own image? |
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| 16:01:55 | gevaerts | markun: I only use our image, but I don't flash it : I upload it as the first file instead of the second |
| 16:02:17 | gevaerts | markun: I'll try to get flashing working tonight |
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| 16:15:59 | otzengulasch | hi all |
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| 16:16:49 | otzengulasch | after updating rockbox on my sansa c250, boot-screen flashes and says "can't load rockbox.mi4" |
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| 16:16:55 | otzengulasch | any hint? ;) |
| 16:16:56 | mamoul | Hey buddies |
| 16:17:33 | mamoul | Just wanted to let you know woot.com is selling some microSD cards that are cheap |
| 16:17:42 | mamoul | ^_^ |
| 16:17:48 | otzengulasch | hi mamoul |
| 16:17:58 | stooo | all SD cards are cheap |
| 16:18:00 | otzengulasch | maybe you can help me =) |
| 16:18:02 | otzengulasch | after updating rockbox on my sansa c250, boot-screen flashes and says "can't load rockbox.mi4" |
| 16:18:09 | mamoul | ok |
| 16:18:35 | mamoul | well it seems to me that you should try replacing your .rockbox directory with a fresh build |
| 16:18:38 | otzengulasch | where should this file be / where to get it ? |
| 16:18:52 | otzengulasch | hm, thats exactly what I did |
| 16:18:57 | mamoul | that's strange |
| 16:18:59 | kugel | otzengulasch: You seem to have updated improperly |
| 16:19:02 | otzengulasch | I deleted the old rockbox directory, though |
| 16:19:05 | mamoul | I would imagine everything would be included |
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| 16:19:12 | mamoul | you could try an older build |
| 16:19:23 | kugel | your c200 should have a ".rockbox" dir |
| 16:19:37 | otzengulasch | yes, it had |
| 16:19:41 | otzengulasch | rb worked fine |
| 16:19:45 | kugel | and now? |
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| 16:19:50 | otzengulasch | but i wanted to install latest build |
| 16:19:54 | otzengulasch | so I deleted it |
| 16:19:57 | kugel | how have you done that? |
| 16:20:07 | otzengulasch | then I put the dir from the latest build zip file there |
| 16:20:21 | otzengulasch | well, Shift+Del in windows :) |
| 16:20:31 | kugel | you should just extract the zip to your sansa drive |
| 16:20:39 | otzengulasch | did that |
| 16:20:53 | kugel | can you look if there's a .rockbox dir? |
| 16:21:05 | kugel | note the dot at the beginning |
| 16:21:12 | otzengulasch | yes, there is one |
| 16:21:27 | kugel | and is in that folder a rockbox.mi4 file? |
| 16:21:47 | otzengulasch | there was the .rockbox dir. I connected the sansa, delted the dir, then I extracted the dir from the latest build onto the sansa |
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| 16:22:01 | kugel | I got it |
| 16:22:02 | otzengulasch | oh god |
| 16:22:14 | otzengulasch | I am terribly sorry, I'm just an idiot... |
| 16:22:24 | kugel | otzengulasch: Why? |
| 16:22:25 | markun | gevaerts: that it works as the first file is also really cool! |
| 16:22:33 | markun | testing out code without flashing |
| 16:22:37 | otzengulasch | ... theres .rockbox/.rockbox ... |
| 16:22:44 | kugel | ah |
| 16:22:48 | kugel | well |
| 16:22:59 | otzengulasch | sorry to bother you guys - but thanks for your effort anyway =) |
| 16:23:13 | kugel | for the next time, just extract the zip directly on your drive (e.g. L:\) |
| 16:23:32 | kugel | otzengulasch: and don't delete the old build, there's absolutely no need for that |
| 16:23:49 | otzengulasch | thats what I did, but winrar seems to have created a parent-folder named after the name of the build - zipfile :) |
| 16:23:58 | kugel | just overwrite, this way your config will be kept |
| 16:24:11 | BigBambi | otzengulasch: 7zip! |
| 16:24:17 | linuxstb | otzengulasch: That's your problem - don't use winrar... Rockbox Utility does this all for you. |
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| 16:24:19 | otzengulasch | :) |
| 16:24:34 | otzengulasch | whats rockbox utility ? |
| 16:24:35 | GodEater | winrar = evil |
| 16:25:00 | | Quit krz_ ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 1.5.0.12/2007050813]") |
| 16:25:06 | BigBambi | otzengulasch: The all singing all dancing Rockbox install/update/other things utility |
| 16:25:41 | * | linuxstb can't remember it singing or dancing |
| 16:25:51 | GodEater | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility |
| 16:25:55 | otzengulasch | ok, I am supposed to check that out, am I ? ;) |
| 16:26:01 | otzengulasch | thx |
| 16:26:04 | GodEater | otzengulasch: ideally yes ;) |
| 16:26:17 | BigBambi | linuxstb: You clearly aren't trying hard enough :) |
| 16:26:26 | GodEater | linuxstb: you'd obviously not been "smoking" as much as BigBambi was last time he looked at it |
| 16:26:45 | * | BigBambi looks away shiftily |
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| 16:30:33 | otzengulasch | oh |
| 16:30:41 | otzengulasch | the rb utility is indeed very nice =) |
| 16:31:08 | mamoul | =) |
| 16:31:15 | mamoul | what is that |
| 16:31:35 | mamoul | and does it run on Linux |
| 16:31:42 | BigBambi | mamoul: If you read up about ten lines you will see us discussing it and a link |
| 16:32:13 | GodEater | which would save us answering any more questions about it |
| 16:32:35 | mamoul | doesn't say anything about linux though |
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| 16:32:50 | BigBambi | Have you read that link? |
| 16:33:00 | GodEater | obviously not |
| 16:33:02 | | Nick portman is now known as ch4os (n=ch4os@unaffiliated/ch4os/x-059673) |
| 16:33:05 | GodEater | or he wouldn't have said that |
| 16:33:08 | BigBambi | I know |
| 16:33:23 | otzengulasch | theres a linux dl as well |
| 16:33:25 | BigBambi | I was just trying to prompt that the link answers his questions |
| 16:33:29 | mamoul | ok I see it |
| 16:33:37 | mamoul | it looks sweet |
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| 16:34:08 | mamoul | looks like qt4 |
| 16:34:37 | GodEater | yes? |
| 16:34:53 | BigBambi | mamoul: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtilityDevelopment |
| 16:34:54 | mamoul | yes |
| 16:35:23 | GodEater | is that a problem ? |
| 16:35:34 | mamoul | if you want to make it a problem, buddy |
| 16:35:55 | mamoul | qt4 is excellent software |
| 16:36:04 | BigBambi | mamoul: What? |
| 16:36:20 | GodEater | which is why we chose it |
| 16:36:21 | BigBambi | mamoul: From what you said it was impossible to tell if you meant that was good or bad |
| 16:36:37 | BigBambi | GodEater think's it was good, so he was asking you if you disagreed |
| 16:36:45 | BigBambi | *thinks it is |
| 16:36:57 | mamoul | yes I confirm your analysis BigBambi |
| 16:37:13 | mamoul | cool this even sets up doom files :) |
| 16:38:02 | mamoul | you guys reminded me I'm still waiting for kde 4.1 to come downstream |
| 16:38:23 | BigBambi | mamoul: Stay on topic please |
| 16:38:51 | mamoul | there's nothing wrong to make friendly conversation |
| 16:39:08 | markun | mamoul: only we have a different channel for those |
| 16:39:13 | markun | check the toppic |
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| 16:39:23 | mamoul | ok let me check it |
| 16:39:32 | BigBambi | mamoul: Please read the guidelines before speaking again |
| 16:39:43 | BigBambi | this is a logged development and support channel |
| 16:40:06 | mamoul | BigBambi: Good, so everyone can see how rude you are |
| 16:40:43 | BigBambi | mamoul: I'm not willing to have this argument with you. Please just take note of the guidelines |
| 16:41:35 | mamoul | I will take note |
| 16:41:47 | BigBambi | Thanks :) |
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| 16:53:07 | wpyh | markun: hi |
| 16:53:21 | wpyh | gevaerts has been able to run some custom code on his m6sl :) |
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| 16:54:39 | markun | hi wpyh! |
| 16:54:48 | LambdaCalculus37 | Hi wpyh! |
| 16:54:49 | markun | yes, I read about it. Very cool. |
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| 16:55:14 | markun | wpyh: thanks for the tool you wrote |
| 16:55:18 | wpyh | hi :) |
| 16:55:34 | markun | any idea what the windows_mimic function actually does? |
| 16:55:38 | wpyh | well, actually I was trying to imitate what the windows tool did |
| 16:55:41 | LambdaCalculus37 | wpyh: Join #rockbox-community |
| 16:56:19 | wpyh | mimic_windows() actually tried to mimic what happens when it is plugged into windows (I was running it on VirtualBox, so I can see everything :D) |
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| 16:56:41 | markun | yes, but do you know what it does? |
| 16:56:50 | markun | Does it still work if you change anything? |
| 16:58:05 | wpyh | ah, I don't know what it does :p |
| 16:58:24 | wpyh | if I comment it out, it still works, so I think it's just the difference between windows and linux :) |
| 16:59:30 | markun | I guess we can leave it out then, right? |
| 16:59:32 | wpyh | yeah |
| 16:59:54 | wpyh | the important issue I think, is the format of M6SL.ebn |
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| 17:00:25 | markun | what about it? |
| 17:00:34 | wpyh | let's see... |
| 17:01:22 | wpyh | ok, for the OF, M6SL.ebn consists of 3 parts: header, main fw, tail |
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| 17:02:15 | wpyh | the header is 32768 bytes, followed by the main fw, followed by any zero-padding necessary to align it to 8-byte boundaries, then followed by a tail (0xa5a5a5a5 0x5a5a5a5a 0xa5a5a5a5 0x5a5a5a5a) |
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| 17:03:49 | markun | wpyh: isn't the header just code? |
| 17:04:09 | wpyh | hm... yeah, but there's some format issues |
| 17:04:33 | wpyh | for example, the header starts with 32 bytes that look like a table (you said it was an irq vector, right? seems so) |
| 17:05:07 | markun | looked like it, at least some jumptable yes |
| 17:05:43 | wpyh | then comes 32 bytes of non-code: CUFD, total file size, 0x00000002, 0x00000014, 0x00008000, 0, main firmware file size, 0 |
| 17:06:01 | wpyh | that total file size is the size of the ebn file |
| 17:06:54 | wpyh | gevaerts has noted that 0x14 + 0x2c == 0x40, which is the start of what looks like code to me (or a table of some sort) |
| 17:07:07 | wpyh | 0x8000 is 32768, the header size |
| 17:07:16 | wpyh | we don't know what 0x00000002 means, yet |
| 17:08:09 | wpyh | (note that the above is only true for M6SL.ebn) |
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| 17:09:11 | wpyh | now look at our rockboot.ebn: it's just code after "CUFD" |
| 17:09:55 | wpyh | what we know is that gevaerts is able to run your custom code if he uses the meizu_dfu tool and uploads rockboot.ebn as the first binary |
| 17:10:06 | markun | wpyh: at least the 0x00000002 is constant in all the M6SL firmwares, right? |
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| 17:10:47 | markun | maybe we can make our own 'first file' and don't care about the firmware file layout |
| 17:10:52 | wpyh | so now we have a theory: the first 32768 bytes are loaded by the bootrom at sytem boot, and then it proceeds to load the rest of the fw. since we don't have the correct format, our code can't run |
| 17:11:03 | markun | but then people would need our tool to flash it |
| 17:11:19 | markun | yes, I think that's what's happening |
| 17:11:19 | wpyh | markun: yes, the 0x00000002 is constant in all M6SL firmware |
| 17:11:21 | wpyh | yeah |
| 17:11:26 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 17:11:43 | wpyh | markun: I think we need to have something like the iriver firmware loaders |
| 17:11:56 | wpyh | one that loads code when we try to load a wma file |
| 17:12:04 | wpyh | then we can have rockboot.wma :) |
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| 17:13:28 | wpyh | the problem is, I can't find where to insert the code... |
| 17:13:37 | markun | but right now at least we can proceed by uploading and testing code |
| 17:13:44 | wpyh | yeah, using meizu_dfu |
| 17:13:45 | wpyh | ;) |
| 17:13:50 | markun | I also looked for the WMA code and didn't find it |
| 17:14:32 | wpyh | it's somewhere in the code, but I think it's based on a switch() statement... that makes it difficult to find because I don't know asm that well :( |
| 17:15:11 | wpyh | look at offset 0x0006a1a0 in M6SL.ebn version 2.004.6 (the chinese version) |
| 17:15:53 | markun | not now |
| 17:15:56 | markun | I'm at work |
| 17:15:57 | wpyh | you can also take a look at the same offset in the english version |
| 17:15:59 | wpyh | ok |
| 17:16:06 | markun | and promissed myself a little vacation from rockbox :) |
| 17:16:12 | wpyh | :p |
| 17:16:26 | markun | but today I didn't manage to stick to it |
| 17:16:56 | wpyh | I'll let you have a peek then ;) http://pastebin.com/m670af4d7 |
| 17:17:07 | wpyh | (that's what vi displays on my box) |
| 17:17:38 | markun | yes, I found that also during disassemling before |
| 17:17:56 | wpyh | :) |
| 17:18:03 | wpyh | so I think we need to find the code somewhere else... |
| 17:18:05 | markun | but I didn't find the actual code which loads the file |
| 17:18:31 | markun | are you still in the USA? |
| 17:19:21 | * | wpyh too |
| 17:19:29 | wpyh | yes, I'm still in the US |
| 17:27:38 | wpyh | hm... I can't run rockboot.ebn for the M6SL, on my M3 |
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| 17:27:46 | wpyh | probably they are too much different |
| 17:27:54 | salty-horse | amiconn, here? |
| 17:28:58 | LambdaCalculus37 | wpyh: Probably the firmware format on the M3 may be a little different? |
| 17:29:09 | wpyh | hm... yeah, it's a little different |
| 17:29:20 | wpyh | but I wasn't uploading it as a fw, just as a program |
| 17:29:59 | LambdaCalculus37 | Hmmm.... |
| 17:30:30 | wpyh | maybe the hardware initialization is too much different... |
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| 17:47:23 | kugel | reacocard: hey, any progress? |
| 17:47:48 | reacocard | kugel: been busy adjusting to college again ^___^ |
| 17:47:58 | kugel | ah ok :) |
| 17:48:22 | kugel | I've got 1 month free time left until studying starts |
| 17:48:26 | reacocard | fun |
| 17:49:40 | kugel | reacocard: hm, even if I open the database files with scite, the magic number in the header is reversed |
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| 17:50:23 | * | reacocard has yet to have any such issues, interestingly |
| 17:50:31 | * | wpyh finds out that he didn't do an svn up before trying rockboot.ebn |
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| 17:52:00 | markun | wpyh: I chose the power button and the backlight in the test also because they should be mapped to the same pins in all the meizu players |
| 17:52:37 | wpyh | markun: I tried again, but it didn't work :( |
| 17:53:30 | * | wpyh has to ask gevaerts how he got it working |
| 17:57:19 | wpyh | hey! |
| 17:57:25 | wpyh | I got markun's test code working :) |
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| 17:59:01 | wpyh | markun: great, your test code works |
| 17:59:04 | wpyh | now what? :p |
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| 18:01:40 | XavierGr | any rbutil dev around? |
| 18:03:03 | markun | wpyh: draw some pixels on the screen? |
| 18:03:15 | * | domonoky waves.. |
| 18:03:42 | markun | I don't know where in memory the framebuffer is or if the LCD still needs to be initialized |
| 18:04:03 | wpyh | markun: good idea :) |
| 18:04:20 | wpyh | (how?) |
| 18:04:28 | XavierGr | domonoky: just wanted to know if I must make a particular change to make the resulting rbutil translation file (*.qm) to be recognized by the application without having to copy it on the same folder as the executable |
| 18:04:56 | markun | wpyh: don't know :) |
| 18:05:03 | wpyh | :p |
| 18:05:03 | wpyh | ok |
| 18:05:11 | XavierGr | domonoky: oh and check the tracker for the patch |
| 18:05:34 | markun | btw, did we still have code in there to make some piezo noise? |
| 18:05:45 | domonoky | XavierGr: you should add the .tm file to rbutilqt.pro, and the .qm file to rbutil-lang.qrc .. :-) |
| 18:05:50 | wpyh | markun: IIRC there was a patch for the ipod |
| 18:06:16 | XavierGr | domonoky: I only did the first one |
| 18:06:19 | domonoky | XavierGr: then it will be automatically built, and the qm file will be buitl into the binary.. |
| 18:06:27 | markun | wpyh: yes, but I mean do we still try to toggle P5.1? I think it should make some noise |
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| 18:06:43 | markun | well, it doesn't really matter |
| 18:06:45 | wpyh | markun: P5.1? |
| 18:06:48 | markun | we have code running |
| 18:06:50 | markun | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MeizuReverseEngineering |
| 18:07:12 | XavierGr | domonoky: do you want me to update the patch? |
| 18:07:23 | domonoky | XavierGr: not needed i can do it.. |
| 18:07:29 | XavierGr | ok thanks |
| 18:09:28 | wpyh | markun: oh, the beep |
| 18:10:30 | wpyh | btw, can we safely say the P0.2 is wired to the backlight on the M3? |
| 18:10:57 | amiconn | salty-horse: what's up? |
| 18:11:26 | markun | wpyh: the testcode work, right? |
| 18:11:32 | wpyh | markun: yes :D |
| 18:11:43 | markun | sure, fill in any gaps in that table |
| 18:11:48 | wpyh | ok ;) |
| 18:11:58 | markun | You don't have a TP, do you |
| 18:12:11 | * | LambdaCalculus37 wonders when wpyh will be receiving his developer's badge ;) |
| 18:12:18 | markun | since we still have very little info on that one.. |
| 18:12:31 | wpyh | but I _really_ think we should have a modified firmware to ease development :p |
| 18:12:39 | wpyh | LambdaCalculus37: I won't need that ;) |
| 18:12:41 | markun | is this too difficult? |
| 18:12:58 | wpyh | markun: yeah, I don't have a TP :( or a T1, for that matter |
| 18:13:40 | wpyh | uh, not too difficult but cumbersome −− imagine having a modified firmware: we can compile like 10 test programs, then put them all on the device, then run them one by one :) |
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| 18:14:54 | markun | ah yes, like that |
| 18:15:09 | wpyh | it would ease^H^H^H^Hspeed up development ;) |
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| 18:20:08 | salty-horse | amiconn, hi. I noticed you deleted some hebrew fonts that due to unicode coverage. I made some fonts here that are based on deja-vu. maybe you could review and integrate them? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8877 |
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| 18:21:41 | markun | salty-horse: did you have to edit any of the glyphs? |
| 18:22:01 | salty-horse | markun, it's all automated with tools. I did no editing |
| 18:22:05 | salty-horse | and it looks fine. |
| 18:22:24 | salty-horse | of course deja-vu doesn't cover japanese and other unicode groups |
| 18:22:59 | markun | well, it also looks ok to me |
| 18:23:05 | markun | does it cover arabic? |
| 18:23:09 | salty-horse | markun, see my comment with ttf2bdf |
| 18:23:17 | domonoky | XavierGr: i just commited it :-) |
| 18:23:23 | salty-horse | markun, I don't think so.. let me check the dejavu website |
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| 18:35:44 | fml | Does the tick duration depend on the CPU speed? |
| 18:36:24 | domonoky | fml, no it should be steady.. |
| 18:37:43 | fml | I could only find the place where it is defined as 100 (in kernel.h). But somewhere the cpu speed has to be taken into account. Is it all done in kernel? |
| 18:41:10 | domonoky | fml, take a look at the beginng of kernel.c around line 160, there the tick is inited... |
| 18:41:15 | gevaerts | wpyh: if I add the first 32k from M6SL.ebn before rockboot.ebn, add the a5/5a things at the end, and fix the size fields, it runs from flash (but only if usb is inserted) |
| 18:41:32 | salty-horse | markun, yes. it works fine with arabic in rockbxo |
| 18:41:44 | domonoky | fml: and the frequency adjustment is done in timer.c |
| 18:42:12 | fml | I want to make a patch that would allow to set the delay before the button repeat kicks in. That would then allow to set the duration of 'long press.' Now it's fixed at 30 ticks (=0.3s) which is too short for some slow users. |
| 18:42:41 | wpyh | gevaerts: so that kind-of proves our theory? |
| 18:43:00 | wpyh | gevaerts: but what do you mean by "only if usb is inserted"? |
| 18:43:10 | gevaerts | wpyh: it needs to be plugged in |
| 18:43:36 | wpyh | ah |
| 18:43:39 | wpyh | that's weird |
| 18:43:42 | fml | Would such feature have a chance to be accepted? |
| 18:43:42 | markun | very |
| 18:43:49 | gevaerts | Same as without flashing, basically |
| 18:43:55 | wpyh | yeah |
| 18:43:58 | wpyh | oh, I see |
| 18:44:19 | gevaerts | My guess is that maybe interrupt handling doesn't work right, and we get some sort of interrupt if it isn't plugged in |
| 18:44:39 | wpyh | gevaerts: or maybe we get no interrupt if it's plugged in? |
| 18:44:51 | gevaerts | yes |
| 18:45:12 | wpyh | does the test code run from an interrupt vector? |
| 18:45:52 | wpyh | maybe there's a different entry point for normal start-up (by pressing the play button) |
| 18:45:58 | gevaerts | It starts at address zero, which is a jump to a bit further along (0x40 usually) |
| 18:46:15 | wpyh | and plugging in the usb means that it goes into charging mode |
| 18:46:27 | wpyh | hm... then it's weird |
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| 18:50:36 | wpyh | gevaerts: I think the Blues_NANDBoot_UserGuide_070907.pdf would help |
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| 18:51:37 | wpyh | I think we can't legally distribute the nand loader though −− we have to write one |
| 18:51:55 | wpyh | (do we have a working nand loader?) |
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| 18:52:45 | gevaerts | Do we need one? "normal" firmware upgrades work by copying files to the device |
| 18:53:08 | wpyh | yeah, but that firmware upgrade (ebn file) contains the 32KB nand loader |
| 18:53:18 | gevaerts | hmm, yes |
| 18:54:56 | gevaerts | wpyh: we can tell people to download the firmware from meizu, and write a tool that uses that |
| 18:54:59 | wpyh | gevaerts: or we can keep the code simple and work in 32 KB ;) |
| 18:56:07 | wpyh | gevaerts: that could work, as long as meizu keeps the files on their server |
| 18:56:14 | wpyh | how about hosting the file on pastebin? |
| 18:56:28 | wpyh | (the 32KB loader) |
| 18:56:41 | markun | we could probably eventually write our own flash tool, right? |
| 18:57:03 | wpyh | markun: well, yeah |
| 18:57:31 | wpyh | OTOH, how do we make dual-boot possible? |
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| 18:57:56 | markun | wpyh: by loading the meizu firmware from a file? |
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| 18:58:49 | wpyh | hm... ok |
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| 18:59:38 | wpyh | note: we also need resource.bin |
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| 19:00:03 | * | wpyh has to go |
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| 19:00:32 | wpyh | see you later :) |
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| 19:03:07 | salty-horse | markun, so what do you say about the fonts? |
| 19:03:21 | markun | salty-horse: I say let amiconn decide about it :) |
| 19:04:18 | salty-horse | of course, they're only valid if DejaVu's license doesn't conflict with rockbox's |
| 19:04:35 | rasher | salty-horse: There's no way it could |
| 19:04:56 | rasher | salty-horse: It just has to allow us to convert it. It doesn't become part of Rockbox in any way |
| 19:06:20 | salty-horse | rasher, do you mean it's "distributed with rockbox" |
| 19:06:21 | salty-horse | ? |
| 19:07:27 | rasher | salty-horse: Barely even that. But I'm sure DejaVu Sans is perfectly fine, license wise |
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| 19:17:03 | Zambezi | iPod Touch and newer versions of iPod Nano is popular. I think it's strange there isn't a port, but is it due to lack of time or problem doing the actual port? Do you need to retrieve information from the unit? |
| 19:20:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | Zambezi: "Popular" does not translate to "port in progress". |
| 19:22:47 | Zambezi | LambdaCalculus37: Of course not, but popular may be a reason to do a port. So I'm just curious if their is a major problem to overcome first. |
| 19:23:47 | markun | Zambezi: the reason is mainly that it's too difficult |
| 19:25:14 | LambdaCalculus37 | And the other main reason is some serious encryption on the nano firmware. |
| 19:25:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | The iPod Touch may be able to receive Rockbox as an app, but certainly not as a replacement firmware. |
| 19:26:15 | topher | Zambezi: i think your closest bet is a 4g or 5g ipod, that's a pretty good mp3 player with rockbox support |
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| 19:37:33 | Zambezi | topher: I'm already using ockbox on my iPod Mini. I just want more people to be able to use it. |
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| 19:44:22 | ZincAlloy | salty-horse: I do think your deja-vu fonts need some cleaning. compare your version of dejavu 8 with lazka's: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=10030.0;attach=2340;image |
| 19:47:31 | salty-horse | ZincAlloy, yeah, I know. I tried fiddling with the settings of the tools I used, and this was the best result |
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| 20:04:09 | * | gevaerts wants to know why this thing stops after disconnecting usb... |
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| 20:12:17 | gevaerts | Interesting... Holding the power button makes it stay on after disconnect |
| 20:12:57 | * | gevaerts thinks that there probably is a GPIO somewhere that we need to set |
| 20:15:03 | mamoul | When I'm using rockbox on my sansa e200, I noticed it restarts whenever I plug it in to the pc |
| 20:15:27 | mamoul | is that done by rockbox? |
| 20:15:38 | gevaerts | yes |
| 20:16:08 | gevaerts | markun: ping |
| 20:16:47 | mamoul | so is rockbox not able to host for disk access over usb? |
| 20:17:02 | gevaerts | not yet, no |
| 20:17:06 | mamoul | oh ok |
| 20:17:23 | mamoul | sometimes I want to just connect it for power...maybe I can disable the restart |
| 20:17:34 | gevaerts | yes you can. See the manual :) |
| 20:17:56 | mamoul | ok great :) |
| 20:21:10 | gevaerts | \o/ |
| 20:21:20 | gevaerts | It stays on after disconnect :) |
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| 20:24:24 | gevaerts | On at least the M6SL we need to set the PWRON bit to 1 for the player to stay on after releasing the power button |
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| 20:24:48 | gevaerts | What's the best place to do this? crt0 or main() ? |
| 20:24:54 | mcuelenaere | saratoga: yes, I've seen them but I'm not sure why you ask me to commit them.. I'm not familiar with the TCCxx targets |
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| 20:26:07 | mcuelenaere | wpyh (logs): the vx767 binaries aren't really needed, because basically what they do is initialize sdram (perhaps I should make a slimmed down version of them) |
| 20:26:07 | bobo | Hi all |
| 20:27:34 | bobo | is it possible to mix playback and line in with the iaudio X5? |
| 20:28:30 | mcuelenaere | wpyh: about the lcd, that's pretty normal |
| 20:28:38 | mcuelenaere | when misinitialized, it's shows the same on mine |
| 20:28:48 | mcuelenaere | it just needs the right initialisation routines |
| 20:29:14 | gevaerts | bobo: rockbox currently doesn't do that. I'm not sure if the hardware would support it |
| 20:31:19 | bobo | I just was asking myself if I could connect a Navigator through the line in and hear some 'sexy' voice while listening some music ... |
| 20:32:44 | bobo | gevaerts: thanks |
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| 20:32:59 | saratoga | mcuelenaere: sorry was thinking the Zen was TCC not TMS |
| 20:33:15 | mcuelenaere | :) there's a big difference between those 2 |
| 20:33:44 | mcuelenaere | but anyway, the code is looking good |
| 20:33:57 | mcuelenaere | at some point, IMO, it should get committed |
| 20:36:47 | saratoga | who is doing TCC then? |
| 20:36:57 | gevaerts | everyone else :) |
| 20:37:27 | mcuelenaere | shotofadds for one is doing TCC780 |
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| 20:39:43 | gevaerts | Can someone help me translate http://pastebin.ca/1191752 to arm assembly ? |
| 20:39:50 | * | gevaerts wants it in crt0.S |
| 20:40:06 | conley_ | I have a gigabeat-s...In an attempt to get it to keep from requiring me to upload the firmware everytime I booted, I edited the partition table to make the patitions end at cylinders |
| 20:40:26 | gevaerts | conley_: let me guess. The OF "fixed" that for you... |
| 20:43:48 | binaryhermit | really stupid question, what targets will be officially supported by 3.0? This article suggests it'll support the Archos players and the iRiver H1xx and H3xx, but it's also from 2006: http://lwn.net/Articles/183931/ |
| 20:44:11 | gevaerts | binaryhermit: forget old articles about 3.0 |
| 20:44:18 | binaryhermit | I figured |
| 20:44:35 | gevaerts | The final decision about which targets will be supported hasn't been made yet |
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| 20:46:27 | * | gevaerts is confused yet again |
| 20:48:56 | saratoga | most if not all of the targets on the download page will be supported |
| 20:50:07 | gevaerts | Can someone who knows ARM assembler check if http://pastebin.ca/1191761 is a decent translation of http://pastebin.ca/1191752 ? |
| 20:50:26 | mcuelenaere | gevaerts: http://pastebin.ca/1191762 (didn't test it) |
| 20:50:43 | mcuelenaere | but you're better of compiling it and dumping it |
| 20:51:05 | gevaerts | mcuelenaere: that's what I did for http://pastebin.ca/1191761, but I'm not entirely sure |
| 20:51:29 | * | gevaerts thinks it's probably OK though |
| 20:51:35 | mcuelenaere | you can reuse R2 again instead of using R3 |
| 20:52:04 | gevaerts | indeed |
| 20:52:31 | mcuelenaere | gevaerts: seems ok to me.. |
| 20:52:50 | mcuelenaere | but try using GCC first and then objdumping it next time |
| 20:52:54 | mcuelenaere | then you can still optimize it |
| 20:53:08 | gevaerts | This isn't in a tight loop :) |
| 20:53:16 | mcuelenaere | :) |
| 20:53:28 | mcuelenaere | then why do it in crt0.S ? |
| 20:53:32 | mcuelenaere | can't you do it in main()? |
| 20:54:23 | gevaerts | I could, but for some reason I think "make the player stay on" should be done as early as possible |
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| 21:00:14 | conley_ | sorry, having computer troubles...did anyone answer my question? |
| 21:00:29 | mcuelenaere | conley_: we have logs.. |
| 21:01:33 | gevaerts | conley_: you didn't really ask a question |
| 21:01:55 | conley_ | well, My question was: Am I screwed? |
| 21:02:16 | conley_ | Is there something I can do to get the S to show up as a device |
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| 21:14:04 | amiconn | rasher: ping |
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| 21:14:10 | rasher | amiconn: yeah? |
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| 21:14:22 | amiconn | There's a question for you in the pm window |
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| 21:14:58 | amiconn | I'll take it here: If you mapped so many fonts manually, that means the encoding info in the bdf is wrong |
| 21:15:07 | amiconn | We should probably fix that as well |
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| 21:16:00 | amiconn | I wonder whether we should convert the iso8859-1 fonts. It doesn't hurt to keep their encoding |
| 21:16:06 | markun | gevaerts: pong |
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| 21:16:27 | * | gevaerts tries to remember why he pinged markun |
| 21:16:41 | markun | hey, what did you do to let it stay on after disconnect? |
| 21:16:51 | markun | or were you talking about something else than the meizu? |
| 21:17:10 | gevaerts | I thought setting P1.3 to 1 (PWRON), but now I'm not sure |
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| 21:17:37 | rasher | amiconn: The nimbus, nedore and mix fonts have no encoding information at all iirc |
| 21:17:49 | rasher | amiconn: the patch I posted fixes this as well |
| 21:17:51 | saratoga | damn the Current Log link on the IRC page doesn't work in google Chrome |
| 21:18:39 | BigBambi | conley_: Put it into recovery mode and send it the bootloader again when it asks. It will then repartition and reformat the drive for you |
| 21:22:56 | conley_ | ok, thakns |
| 21:23:55 | rasher | amiconn: of course the patch is pretty darn giant.. I also changed the 8859-1 to 10646, for (more obvious) consistency |
| 21:24:54 | amiconn | Using the patch as-is would probably be difficult |
| 21:25:08 | amiconn | I'll drop some more fonts, because of brokenness |
| 21:25:55 | rasher | using any2unicode.pl on a 8859-1 font should give you 10646-1 |
| 21:26:02 | amiconn | Otoh, the helv* variants seem to be rather popular |
| 21:26:07 | * | gevaerts can't get it to stay on any more :( |
| 21:26:27 | amiconn | Many themes also use the bold variants even though they're not in our font pack currently |
| 21:27:11 | rasher | Adding them couldn't hurt |
| 21:27:54 | amiconn | I think so too |
| 21:27:59 | amiconn | But that'll be the last step |
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| 21:35:38 | rasher | I'm still a bit flabbergasted that themes include copies of fonts from the fontspack |
| 21:36:02 | dni66 | Hello! I'm new to the wiki. As an owner of iriver h120 and h340 jukeboxes I made some wps (for h340) and would like to post them on the wiki. If someone could give me permission? |
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| 21:36:33 | BigBambi | dni66: What s your wiki name? |
| 21:36:45 | dni66 | FlorianKuech |
| 21:36:50 | BigBambi | ok, one mo |
| 21:37:25 | BigBambi | Promise not to spam now? |
| 21:38:28 | BigBambi | dni66: Promise not to spam now? |
| 21:38:37 | gevaerts | markun: I now have main() as in http://pastebin.ca/1191817 . That "works", as in it doesn't turn off on disconnect. I don't understand why though, as the power-related PCON1 and PDAT1 seem to be wrong, and if I change thm it stops working... |
| 21:38:42 | dni66 | No spam, i promise. My wps are quite different from the ones already posted. |
| 21:38:55 | BigBambi | I didn't mean that, just spam in general :) |
| 21:38:58 | BigBambi | OK, all done |
| 21:39:02 | BigBambi | Off you go! |
| 21:39:06 | dni66 | Thanks! |
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| 21:44:14 | vitja | how can I add ID line to source code? |
| 21:44:37 | dionoea | svn id? |
| 21:44:44 | dionoea | (is that question rockbox related?) |
| 21:44:51 | vitja | yeah |
| 21:45:05 | vitja | this case it's rockbox related too |
| 21:45:22 | vitja | I need add svn id to my patch |
| 21:45:35 | dionoea | just add $Id: $ in your code and then use svn propset svn:keywords Id |
| 21:45:41 | dionoea | + <filename> |
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| 21:45:51 | vitja | thanks) |
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| 21:48:34 | Reemo | hey guys |
| 21:48:49 | Reemo | I just noticed my X5 60gb is running out of disk space... |
| 21:49:10 | Reemo | Is there any rockbox supported player with more than 60gb? |
| 21:49:22 | scorche|sh | you can throw a larger hard drive in many devices |
| 21:49:32 | Reemo | Yeah for... 100¤ |
| 21:49:54 | binaryhermit | was there a 80 GB iPod 5g or iPod 5.5g? |
| 21:50:08 | scorche|sh | eh...that depends...but look at how much you would spend for a new device too.. |
| 21:50:17 | gevaerts | Still less than you would pay for any player with that capacity |
| 21:50:40 | Reemo | Probably... |
| 21:50:52 | Reemo | There are 120gb drives by toshiba |
| 21:51:36 | gevaerts | Reemo: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HardDriveReplacement knows all |
| 21:51:44 | binaryhermit | wikipedia seems to suggest that there was a 80 GB 5g |
| 21:51:45 | linuxstb | vitja: I have one comment on your patch that I keep meaning to tell you - "TMM" is "Hein-Pieter van Braam" |
| 21:51:53 | binaryhermit | potentially 5.5g |
| 21:52:46 | gevaerts | binaryhermit: 5.5g |
| 21:52:48 | dionoea | 5g and 5.5g came with 80 GB hard drives |
| 21:53:06 | dionoea | or maybe 60GB for the 5g |
| 21:53:12 | gevaerts | 5g is 30 or 60 |
| 21:53:14 | linuxstb | The 5g was 30GB/60GB, the 5.5g was 30GB/80GB |
| 21:53:38 | Reemo | Hmm |
| 21:53:52 | Reemo | The drives > 60Gb use ZIF-40 |
| 21:53:54 | Reemo | I need 50pin |
| 21:54:07 | scorche|sh | there are adapters |
| 21:54:38 | Reemo | hmm |
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| 21:57:09 | gevaerts | Reemo: MK8007GAH is 80GB 50pin |
| 21:57:17 | Reemo | yeah but... |
| 21:57:18 | Reemo | +20gb? |
| 21:57:24 | Reemo | Not worth the price for me |
| 21:57:30 | Reemo | <−− only uses flac |
| 21:57:45 | amiconn | Also, the MK8007GAH seems hard to find nowadays |
| 21:57:53 | * | amiconn has one in his H1x0 |
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| 22:08:22 | binaryhermit | Reemo: consider switching at least some stuff to high bitrate ogg or mp3 or something? |
| 22:08:36 | Reemo | no. |
| 22:08:43 | binaryhermit | or maybe reencoding some of the flac to -8 if it isn't already |
| 22:08:54 | Reemo | Most of them are -8 |
| 22:09:06 | binaryhermit | although reencoding flac won't get you all that much |
| 22:09:14 | Reemo | yepp |
| 22:09:34 | Reemo | I mean, okay |
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| 22:10:00 | Reemo | many of them are mp3 |
| 22:10:12 | Reemo | but i love flac, and i'd really like to keep Pink Floyd etc in flac. |
| 22:10:30 | amiconn | rasher: You can now remove your hardcoded codepage mappings |
| 22:10:56 | rasher | amiconn: will do |
| 22:11:31 | amiconn | All remaining fonts should be ISO10646-1 now (took your patch for those fonts I kept except jaskash-16) |
| 22:12:06 | amiconn | Now on to the rename task, adding a README file on the go |
| 22:12:56 | Reemo | Is there any progress on X5 and RTC? |
| 22:12:57 | binaryhermit | Reemo: I'm not actually suggesting it, but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LossyWAV |
| 22:14:53 | Reemo | Ahh... wth is that? |
| 22:16:15 | Reemo | ahh i see.. |
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| 22:16:29 | Reemo | But that's no option |
| 22:16:32 | binaryhermit | a program that messes with the LSBs of a wav file in order to make it so that lossless encoders can encode them at a lower bitrate |
| 22:16:57 | binaryhermit | of course, now with less lossless |
| 22:17:14 | * | amiconn thinks that's worse than using actual lossy compression |
| 22:19:30 | domonoky | how about Wavpack in hybrid mode.. then you could keep the lossless part (both files) on pc, and only transfer the lossy part to the dap :-) |
| 22:19:59 | linuxstb | Or buy another DAP (or 8 or 9...) and become a Rockbox developer |
| 22:22:20 | Reemo | DAP.. |
| 22:22:20 | Reemo | ahh |
| 22:22:23 | Reemo | Digital Audio Player |
| 22:22:38 | Reemo | ;) |
| 22:22:47 | Reemo | But i mean |
| 22:22:55 | Reemo | The X5 has a great audiochip |
| 22:23:03 | Reemo | My headphones are great |
| 22:23:18 | Reemo | Rockbox can decode flac |
| 22:23:19 | Reemo | Why should i use lossy codecs? |
| 22:23:26 | Reemo | (beneath the space thing... ;) ) |
| 22:23:44 | domonoky | only because of the space thingy.. :-) |
| 22:23:48 | scorche|sh | please dont type like that...complete thoughts on one line please ;) |
| 22:23:48 | Llorean | Reemo: Have you actually tried blind testing on the X5 with high-bitrate lossy? |
| 22:24:06 | Reemo | Nope |
| 22:24:11 | Reemo | sry scorche|sh ;) |
| 22:24:14 | gevaerts | Reemo: it's your choice. More players, a bigger disk (with adapter...), or lossy |
| 22:24:32 | linuxstb | or don't always carry your entire collection. |
| 22:24:33 | Llorean | Reemo: So, exactly how do you know the sound hardware is good enough on the player for you to distinguish lossy vs lossless? |
| 22:24:36 | gevaerts | (or start to dislike some music) |
| 22:25:55 | Reemo | linuxstb, thats the option I'll probably choose... |
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| 22:29:38 | amiconn | rasher: What's up with Win-1252 and Win-1251? |
| 22:33:03 | Reemo | Llorean, I probably need some ABX soundfiles to check this |
| 22:33:36 | rasher | amiconn: err, I don't remove missing files.. hang on some more |
| 22:34:09 | Reemo | but you're right, i can't clearly differ between MP3 CBR 320kbps (LAME 3.97) and Flac |
| 22:36:04 | Reemo | Maybe I should try another example... |
| 22:38:00 | Reemo | Weird... |
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| 22:38:33 | Reemo | It's easy for me to differ between Viva La Vida in Flac and Mp3 VBR V0 (Lame 3.97) |
| 22:39:05 | Llorean | I was more thinking high bitrate MPC, honestly. |
| 22:39:24 | Llorean | Since I believe its goal is to try to be less artifact prone than other lossy encoders. |
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| 22:42:01 | Reemo | Hmm MPC... |
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| 22:46:35 | Reemo | Quite depressing this issue... |
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| 23:05:56 | gevaerts | So when is the magic branch moment? |
| 23:06:24 | Bagder | I want to make a branch attempt tomorrow |
| 23:06:25 | rasher | gevaerts: as soon as amiconn's done, I think |
| 23:06:35 | * | gevaerts violates the guidelines by asking for ETAs and progress reports |
| 23:06:43 | rasher | amiconn: all better now |
| 23:07:14 | amiconn | Yeah, looking good. Just don't forget the big cleanup when names are shuffled around |
| 23:07:26 | * | amiconn is currently greping for .bdf and .fnt |
| 23:07:37 | rasher | I should add a "delete everything" step to my upload script |
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| 23:12:15 | * | fml kindly asks the developers to have a look at FS #9350 (for the release) and FS #9356 (for after the release) |
| 23:12:17 | * | amiconn effectively removed 20 fonts |
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| 23:18:22 | mcuelenaere | wasn't krz supposed to test on Linux? |
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| 23:26:41 | gevaerts | Probably a silly question, but are different LCD controllers very different? i.e. if I want to pick an example for the meizu work, does it matter much which one I pick? |
| 23:29:38 | Bagder | you mean as a template to start from? |
| 23:29:55 | gevaerts | something like that, yes |
| 23:30:11 | * | gevaerts has no idea how LCD controllers work |
| 23:30:53 | gevaerts | But turning the backlight on and off gets a bit boring after a while, so the LCD seems like a good next step |
| 23:31:44 | Bagder | well, the controllers usually offer a range of registers to set them up, and they of course are very specific to the controler |
| 23:32:46 | Bagder | but in rockbox, all lcd*.c files bascially offer the same functions to the higher level graphics/os code |
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| 23:33:55 | markun | gevaerts: I think you will have to find out which Driver IC you have, then send the right SPI commands to it and then do what you would do for any of them |
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| 23:34:21 | markun | set up the LCD part of the SoC and write to the framebuffer |
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| 23:35:14 | markun | gevaerts: there are init sequences for many of the Driver ICs at meizume.com, did you see them? |
| 23:35:15 | gevaerts | markun: now if I only understood what that first sentence means... ;) |
| 23:35:51 | gevaerts | No, I didn't see those yet (although I seem to remember them getting mentioned) |
| 23:36:15 | markun | it's just the chip which controls the physical panel. You send some bytes to it to configure it correctly and then you can leave it alone. |
| 23:36:31 | markun | I'll look it up for you. |
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| 23:37:09 | markun | gevaerts: http://www.meizume.com/rockbox/5871-lcd-initialization-commands-official-firmware.html |
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| 23:38:20 | gevaerts | markun: thanks |
| 23:39:04 | markun | and here you can see where the pins for the SPI communication are located: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MeizuReverseEngineering |
| 23:39:22 | markun | we probably have some example SPI code in rockbox |
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| 23:46:21 | markun | gevaerts: and SPI hardware in the SoC is connected to the touchpad, so we will have to use bitbaning to talk to the LCD driver IC. |
| 23:46:40 | gevaerts | sounds like fun :) |
| 23:47:44 | markun | not reall no :) |
| 23:51:32 | markun | gevaerts: this is what I got from someone in a PM over at meizume http://130.89.160.166/temp/qt1106.txt |
| 23:52:29 | markun | I guess this spi_byte function is bit banging SPI |
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| 23:53:53 | * | gevaerts is going to play dirty |
| 23:54:09 | markun | by doing what? |
| 23:54:56 | gevaerts | I read on a blog somewhere about someone buying an m6sl "to get back into low-level fighting with Rockbox ports again". Maybe we should try to recruit that person :) |
| 23:55:09 | markun | :) |
| 23:55:11 | markun | good plan |
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| 23:55:56 | gevaerts | Of course he might prefer to work on the D2 port... |
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| 23:57:15 | gevaerts | So where do we find him? |
| 23:57:57 | * | Bagder looks in another direction |
| 23:58:56 | markun | was it MrH? |
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| 23:59:43 | markun | or are we talking about Mr Curl himself? |
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