| 00:00:21 | * | gevaerts gets one google hit on that quoted bit :) |
| 00:00:41 | markun | :) |
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| 00:01:10 | markun | anyway, time for me to get some sleep |
| 00:01:24 | markun | I hope I can stay away from my Meizu tomorrow, but who knows |
| 00:01:36 | * | gevaerts hopes not :) |
| 00:01:52 | markun | I really should finish my studies this year |
| 00:02:27 | markun | and this doesn't help either ;) http://130.89.160.166/chinese/ |
| 00:02:34 | gevaerts | Indeed. take care about those first |
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| 00:03:44 | Reemo | Hmm guys, might i ask wether #7814 has been applied to rockbox yet? |
| 00:04:44 | Bagder | if its still open, its not applied |
| 00:04:57 | Reemo | okay, so I'll have to patch it again |
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| 00:07:00 | amiconn | Font renaimng is looking good in general, but it'll require fixing themes as well as custom .cfg files |
| 00:07:18 | * | amiconn just tried it on Ondio (yes, up to 32-Terminus) |
| 00:07:36 | gevaerts | Sounds like a good font to end with :) |
| 00:08:10 | Reemo | Good night guys, thanks for rockbox :) |
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| 00:08:52 | * | amiconn will now test on a considerably larger screen (H300) before commit |
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| 00:09:16 | amiconn | gevaerts: That's the largest font in svn atm |
| 00:10:22 | gevaerts | How many lines of it can you get in the Ondio? |
| 00:10:30 | * | gevaerts guesses about one and a half |
| 00:11:07 | amiconn | One with the statusbar enabled, two with the status bar disabled |
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| 00:18:48 | conley_ | With my gigabeat S, I have rockbox installed, but if I ever shut down, I have to do sendfirm again. Any suggestions? |
| 00:20:12 | toffe82 | conley_: your battery is working or are you with the power adapter |
| 00:21:06 | conley_ | either way |
| 00:21:11 | conley_ | It does the same thing |
| 00:21:24 | amiconn | Font stuff is looking good on H300 as well |
| 00:21:28 | conley_ | (yes my battery is working, but I've tried it with the battery switch turned off) |
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| 00:30:52 | toffe82 | conley_: when you shut down, it goes to the screen with the yello triangle |
| 00:31:25 | conley_ | yea |
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| 00:33:56 | toffe82 | conley_: with the OF you don't have any problem ? |
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| 00:50:53 | conley_ | no, I do then too |
| 00:51:09 | conley_ | sorry I have to go, but I'll be here if anyone says anything |
| 00:55:05 | * | amiconn spotted a bug in his font naming |
| 00:55:11 | amiconn | ...or not |
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| 01:25:49 | * | amiconn pings rasher for a matrix update |
| 01:26:42 | rasher | amiconn: Running already |
| 01:27:07 | rasher | amiconn: and done |
| 01:27:49 | amiconn | Doesn't include the latest commit... |
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| 01:29:14 | rasher | It doesn't? |
| 01:29:34 | rasher | Ah, must've happened right after |
| 01:30:28 | * | amiconn commited before pinging you |
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| 01:32:27 | rasher | I had already started at that point, I think |
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| 01:37:41 | rasher | amiconn: some of the fonts seem to have been set executable |
| 01:37:52 | amiconn | eugh |
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| 01:49:17 | Hillshum | what hardware is needed for JTAG? |
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| 01:52:24 | jhMikeS | saratoga: I think I've tested the SPC codec with test_codec and it worked. It does nothing special and should manage its own internal stuff. |
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| 01:56:11 | binaryhermit | what are the odds that the ongoing font shakeup will completely foul up themes like the WPS changes did? |
| 01:57:25 | rasher | binaryhermit: about 100%, but it's an even easier thing to fix |
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| 01:57:57 | binaryhermit | still, I question doing it during a feature freeze |
| 01:58:14 | binaryhermit | unless I underestimate the problems leaving it as it is would cause |
| 01:58:35 | rasher | binaryhermit: This was discussed at length yesterday |
| 01:59:04 | binaryhermit | and if I don't like it, I can fork, right? |
| 01:59:12 | * | binaryhermit goes back to read the log |
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| 01:59:35 | rasher | Well, a bunch of people who usually make smart decisions decided this was smarter |
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| 02:00:24 | Llorean | New version numbers are the best time to do font shakeups like this. Then you can say "All themes must be updated to work with 3.0" rather than "all themes from sometime around the middle of Month X are unlikely to work" |
| 02:00:30 | * | amiconn might even try to fix the themes in the wiki, but not today |
| 02:00:32 | Llorean | Er, any sort of shakeup, font or otherwise |
| 02:00:54 | binaryhermit | shrug |
| 02:00:56 | saratoga | jhMikeS: I can't get it to work with mp3 when using 2 cores, although playback has been rock solid for the last few days |
| 02:01:09 | saratoga | so i was wondering if there were any special considerations |
| 02:01:29 | binaryhermit | anyone know where rbutil pulls the font info from? |
| 02:01:36 | Llorean | binaryhermit: Well, look at it this way: Each development period leads toward a version number. So either the font shakeup happens in 3.0, or in 3.1. Does it make a difference which one it happens in? |
| 02:01:37 | binaryhermit | s/font/theme/ |
| 02:03:53 | pixelma | maybe someone (with the rights) could start a thread in the announcement forums? |
| 02:04:43 | Llorean | pixelma: You can't make announcements? |
| 02:05:19 | pixelma | hmm... haven't tried but I thought only developers, moderators and admins could |
| 02:05:42 | Llorean | Hrm |
| 02:06:00 | Llorean | Well, now experts can too. They really ought to be able to, anyway. |
| 02:06:37 | * | Llorean isn't sure what such a thread would exactly be about yet anyway. |
| 02:06:46 | pixelma | heh... and now I need to? I'm not much af a thread starter |
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| 02:07:09 | Hillshum | What could be making Twiki look like this? http://cid-8b808dcb12a4af96.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Public/firefox%20screenshot.JPG |
| 02:07:16 | jhMikeS | saratoga: you seemed to incoporate a non-blocking, thus non-coresleeping approach in the last patch I saw. SPC uses the semaphores to allow blocking. |
| 02:08:35 | krazykit | Hillshum, i don't see that problem. |
| 02:09:01 | Llorean | pixelma: Is the font cleanup finished yet? |
| 02:09:11 | kugel | Thanks that the font cleanup happened before 3.0 |
| 02:09:18 | Hillshum | krazykit: notice the color/readability of the links |
| 02:10:09 | krazykit | are you sure that's not your firefox/windows theme or something? because that same page looks correct to me: blue links and completely readable. |
| 02:10:12 | pixelma | Llorean: I'm not sure myself, amiconn should know better but I think a great deal is done |
| 02:10:20 | saratoga | jhMikeS: i tried using semaphores but couldn't figure out how to do it without getting invalid instruction errors |
| 02:10:29 | amiconn | Yes it is done now |
| 02:10:37 | saratoga | what is the difference between using the built in semapores and using my homemade ones + yeild? |
| 02:10:41 | Llorean | Do we have a list of oldname -> newname? |
| 02:10:57 | amiconn | (Well, the part that involves svn. Themes in the wiki still need fixing |
| 02:11:02 | amiconn | Llorean: fonts/README |
| 02:11:14 | Hillshum | krazykit: did you see that screenshot? I see light colored links that i can barely read. |
| 02:11:16 | rasher | Llorean: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/fonts/README |
| 02:11:33 | jhMikeS | saratoga: that seems a strange symptom from that unless cache handling was the culprit in something |
| 02:11:48 | rasher | amiconn: nice job on the cleanup |
| 02:12:12 | Hillshum | krazykit: Try this link: http://ti0ada.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pD4tcvoPeAVLwgcGgwgDkM9RD3pgxb0kZKXCrMv_tc-hhek3qN71NERLrbs_SP2BQtFGGPcQsRAU/firefox%20screenshot.JPG |
| 02:12:45 | saratoga | jhMikeS: so if I want to use test_codec I should try and use semaphores? |
| 02:13:27 | krazykit | Hillshum, yes, i saw the screenshot. i browsed to the very same page and it looks /just fine/ |
| 02:13:27 | jhMikeS | saratoga: shouldn't matter but running the codec in that environment instead could change timings of threads and so evidence a race condition |
| 02:14:01 | kugel | Are you planning to remove the themes in the WpsGalleries/block them from being downloaded until they're updated? |
| 02:14:06 | amiconn | Hillshum, krazykit: It looks like the problem is that www.rockbox.org sets no styles for link colours, so you'll get whatever is set in the browser |
| 02:14:19 | Hillshum | Right. I am saying, when I go to the page, I can't read the links. |
| 02:14:34 | kugel | I fear users will try to re- and redownload themes again and again, in the hope this fixes the themes |
| 02:14:55 | Hillshum | All other links look normal. |
| 02:15:22 | rasher | Hillshum: Using any sort of crazy stuff such as greasemonkey/platypus or other stuff that might meddle with pages before rendering? |
| 02:16:06 | kugel | well, and it'll probably "fix" them most of the time, since most include their fonts |
| 02:16:23 | Hillshum | rasher: I installed ghostfox but then removed it ( following the documentation) and it left RB like that. |
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| 02:16:46 | saratoga | jhMikeS: I've probably listened to 10 hours of music without ever having a single glitch or free, but test_codec freezes every single time |
| 02:16:50 | saratoga | i don't think its a race condition |
| 02:17:27 | amiconn | Hillshum: Options->Settings->Content->Colors (or sth like this, my Firefox is in German) |
| 02:17:34 | saratoga | else i would expect it to occur at time depending on boost/buffering during playback |
| 02:18:11 | amiconn | But imo http://www.rockbox.org/style.css should set link colours |
| 02:18:45 | kugel | amiconn: would you mind adding some nedore versions too (8 and 9 is a bit small), if it's possible? I like that font |
| 02:18:56 | Hillshum | amiconn: Thanks. I thought I had looked over that Settings box without any luck. |
| 02:18:58 | jhMikeS | saratoga: say again, SPC does work but the mpa codec doesn't? |
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| 02:19:23 | rasher | kugel: That would require creating them. Helvetica fonts are mcreated already |
| 02:19:35 | kugel | ah ok |
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| 02:27:35 | picard_pwns_kirk | I can't boot my iPod, does anyone have any suggestions? |
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| 02:31:03 | pixelma | did you try to reset it? |
| 02:31:14 | picard_pwns_kirk | yeah |
| 02:31:27 | picard_pwns_kirk | it hangs on the apple logo screen |
| 02:31:44 | * | picard_pwns_kirk may have improperly flashed the firmware |
| 02:32:13 | picard_pwns_kirk | s/firmware/bootloader/ |
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| 02:36:10 | saratoga | jhMikeS: just tested, and SPC does not work with test_codec |
| 02:36:22 | amiconn | rasher: There is a problem with 13-Fixed looking the same as 13-Fixed-SemiCond. The bold versions don't look the same. This problem seems to be an older one though... |
| 02:36:23 | saratoga | i thought I remembered seeing benchmarks, so I just assumed it did |
| 02:38:23 | jhMikeS | saratoga: I'll have to look at that or at least suggest that ci isn't properly initialized for dual core? |
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| 02:41:12 | saratoga | jhMikeS: for what its worth, it just freezes forever while loading for both codecs |
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| 02:45:16 | jhMikeS | saratoga: init doesn't seem to be it. could be cache. i don't recall for sure if I put any code in there that assumes the codec thread somehow. :\ |
| 02:46:21 | amiconn | jhMikeS: I made a patch that adds the same hopping stuff as for plugins to the codec loader |
| 02:46:39 | amiconn | Doesn't help dualcore mpa in test_codec |
| 02:48:06 | jhMikeS | saratoga: the thread functions in the ci structure aren't initialized. I think that's probably why. |
| 02:48:41 | saratoga | jhMikeS: how difficult would that be to fix? |
| 02:49:18 | jhMikeS | just add inits for the stuff in the #if NUM_CORES block as in codec.c |
| 02:49:47 | saratoga | oh i see, quite trival |
| 02:50:16 | saratoga | its #if NUM_CORES > 1? |
| 02:50:28 | jhMikeS | yes |
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| 02:50:48 | jhMikeS | as in codecs.c line 99 |
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| 02:57:09 | saratoga | jhMikeS: is it ok if I add thread_thaw and some of the others to the plugin interface? |
| 02:58:01 | jhMikeS | I guess there's no choice since it borrows from the plugin interface :) |
| 02:58:46 | saratoga | should i ask before commiting this? seems pretty harmless |
| 02:59:55 | saratoga | also why are the threading functions only included on multiprocessor systems |
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| 03:00:05 | saratoga | couldn't they be useful on single processor systems too |
| 03:00:11 | jhMikeS | which? for codecs? |
| 03:00:44 | jhMikeS | they're only used on MP for codecs so far |
| 03:01:54 | saratoga | should i do the same for plugins? |
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| 03:02:43 | jhMikeS | plugins use threading already but not all that SPC does |
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| 03:03:24 | saratoga | i see the plugin thread functions are not MP only |
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| 03:04:46 | jhMikeS | no, since mpegplayer, battery bench and test_codec use them. probably some others. |
| 03:05:34 | saratoga | that fixed it |
| 03:05:40 | saratoga | will commit once i've had some time to look over it |
| 03:06:25 | saratoga | 370% real time decoding for 128k MP3 |
| 03:08:38 | jhMikeS | the blocking stuff should be put in so it doesn't use 100% process load all the time. both cores will be doing a fair bit of waiting for the other. |
| 03:09:07 | saratoga | jhMikeS: for now I just yeild, but I guess that just busy waits then? |
| 03:09:17 | saratoga | how do I make the core actually idle? |
| 03:10:48 | jhMikeS | sleep (but this fixes the delays), queue_wait, semaphore_wait, mutex_wait, etc. any non-signalled object will block and if no other thread is ready to run, the core waits for an interrupt or a singal |
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| 03:12:59 | saratoga | ah so basically i need a smarter signaling method |
| 03:13:03 | saratoga | thanks for the help |
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| 03:18:50 | danovotny | hello - anyone home/ |
| 03:23:28 | advcomp2019 | danovotny, yes |
| 03:31:33 | danovotny | i think i figuered it out |
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| 03:48:06 | num1 | bookshare: thanks for making a diff for FS #9239 (I hope you read logs) |
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| 03:49:19 | danovotny | does't anyone use rsync to push up to their rockbox? |
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| 04:18:43 | danovotny | hello −− i am trying to use rsync under cygwin to update my rockbox music files |
| 04:19:16 | danovotny | i use -Wrthzv −−size-only −−progress −−stats −−delete ....but files not on the new list aren't getting deleted from my ipod... any ideas |
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| 04:31:00 | TheDarkOne | is there any way to prevent a 4th gen ipod from rebooting on usb plugin so i can just charge it? |
| 04:31:12 | TheDarkOne | with rockbox or course |
| 04:32:54 | TheDarkOne | usb charging: on doesn't seem to do it |
| 04:33:02 | TheDarkOne | not sure what other config setting would |
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| 04:39:55 | binaryhermit | if/when thedarkone comes back, http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipod4gray/rockbox-buildch3.html#x5-380003.3 |
| 04:41:24 | binaryhermit | or http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodcolor/rockbox-buildch3.html#x5-380003.3 if he/she has a iPod photo |
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| 05:45:35 | RastaUdu | hey all |
| 05:45:44 | RastaUdu | anyone can help me out a second |
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| 05:47:43 | RastaUdu | i have read the faqs but couldnt find.... sometimes when i turn on my ipod... it doesnt load rockbox but it loads the normal ipod firmware.... is there a way to disable it? |
| 05:47:46 | RastaUdu | anyone here |
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| 06:11:18 | ExodusC | I'm curious, did anyone ever get a Rockbox port running on the Creative Zen Vision M? There was a thread a while back I know |
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| 06:13:22 | advcomp2019 | ExodusC, you might want to look at that thread still |
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| 06:14:12 | wpyh | mcuelenaere: thanks. so we basically need to find the correct init routine, eh? |
| 06:14:26 | wpyh | gevaerts: I'll try the new code sometime |
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| 10:48:54 | B4gder | anyone against doing a 3.0 branch today? |
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| 10:54:34 | Llorean | I'm all for it. |
| 10:55:17 | BigBambi | Go go go! |
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| 10:58:07 | amiconn | Bagder: When are the dailies biult? |
| 10:58:10 | amiconn | *built |
| 10:58:59 | B4gder | 06:00 my time |
| 10:59:21 | amiconn | Hmm. Then why does the font pack still contain the old ones? |
| 10:59:50 | B4gder | "Sep 3 06:39" |
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| 11:00:40 | amiconn | http://download.rockbox.org/daily/fonts/rockbox-fonts.zip gives me the old ones |
| 11:01:49 | B4gder | but be a sync problem |
| 11:02:01 | B4gder | the zip on build server has the new fonts |
| 11:02:23 | amiconn | Gah. Those mirrors are always causing confusion :( |
| 11:04:46 | * | amiconn thinks that a mirror that isn't kept in sync all the time is worse than no mirror at all |
| 11:05:50 | B4gder | I'm not so sure about that |
| 11:06:22 | B4gder | but I agree a sync problem is annoying |
| 11:06:44 | B4gder | svn cp svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/branches/v3_0 |
| 11:06:50 | B4gder | good? |
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| 11:08:44 | B4gder | Committed revision 18392. |
| 11:09:12 | B4gder | open the gates, let the flood come |
| 11:10:36 | B4gder | "svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/branches/v3_0 rockbox-3.0" checks out the release branch |
| 11:11:01 | LinusN | wooo |
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| 11:12:59 | BigBambi | excellent |
| 11:13:26 | BigBambi | B4gder: So what is the plan now? Go through that branch for remaining (if any) stopper bugs then release? |
| 11:13:35 | B4gder | yes |
| 11:13:42 | B4gder | I don't think we have any stoppers atm |
| 11:13:51 | BigBambi | No, I didn't think so |
| 11:14:40 | pixelma | disable some things? What about the does-not-always-reboot-on USB-insert for PP targets? |
| 11:14:57 | Llorean | I say we just let it sit a couple days, just to see if any of our users report anything major in the next couple of days that doesn't seem to be introduced post-branch, but release the freeze. |
| 11:15:15 | B4gder | I'll make it say 3.0 in the build |
| 11:15:21 | B4gder | as version I mean |
| 11:17:02 | linuxstb | So where should manual commits go now? |
| 11:17:04 | rasher | 3.0-RC1 for now |
| 11:17:24 | B4gder | you think we should do rc ones? |
| 11:17:27 | rasher | or just RC, since it's not versioned |
| 11:17:36 | rasher | No, just a single, moving one |
| 11:18:01 | linuxstb | It could be dangerous to have lots of versions, all called "3.0"... |
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| 11:18:27 | linuxstb | s/dangerous/a bit confusing/ |
| 11:18:29 | Nico_P | "3.0 RC (rX)" ? |
| 11:18:45 | preglow | woot |
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| 11:19:13 | Nico_P | linuxstb: manual fixes should probably go in both trunk and the branch |
| 11:19:17 | rasher | linuxstb: that's what I was thinking |
| 11:19:23 | scotty_007 | wait a moment, there are some unchanged font names |
| 11:19:32 | * | BigBambi waits |
| 11:19:42 | linuxstb | So does that mean people have to commit twice? |
| 11:19:47 | scotty_007 | opened FS #9358 with patch |
| 11:20:05 | B4gder | linuxstb: yes |
| 11:20:08 | Nico_P | linuxstb: yes, I think so |
| 11:20:18 | B4gder | to punish them for not having committed before :-P |
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| 11:20:38 | rasher | scotty_007: Oops |
| 11:20:44 | linuxstb | OK, so basically the intention is that will now be almost no commits to the branch? |
| 11:21:04 | Nico_P | only branch-specific commits I'd say |
| 11:21:13 | B4gder | yes |
| 11:21:25 | Llorean | Ideally there should be none at all unless an honest showstopper crops up, things that are specific to the 3.0 process, or mistakes like that font naming thing he just pointed out. |
| 11:21:27 | preglow | there's still a hang bug around, and i'm starting to think it's mp3 related |
| 11:21:39 | B4gder | ok, now the version string says like normal but with an added "3.0 RC" string |
| 11:21:42 | preglow | hard to repro, though |
| 11:21:49 | BigBambi | scotty_007: Are you sure you haven't just got an old font zip from a non-updated mirror? They look OK in SVN to me: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/fonts/?pathrev=18391 |
| 11:21:52 | linuxstb | Do we need to call it 3.0.0 - to allow minor updates? |
| 11:22:01 | Llorean | I think 3.0 is fine. |
| 11:22:13 | Llorean | If we need 3.0.1, it doesn't mean we needed 3.0.0 first. :) |
| 11:22:24 | B4gder | I agree |
| 11:22:41 | * | linuxstb grumbles at the lack of logic ;) |
| 11:23:06 | Llorean | Well, hopefully nothing major enough to require 3.0.1 in the next three months will crop up, and then we can just do 3.1 like we did this one. |
| 11:23:15 | * | Nico_P sees exciting times ahead :) |
| 11:23:19 | scotty_007 | BigBambi: patch file says Revision 18391 |
| 11:23:40 | Llorean | BigBambi: His issue is in the source itself |
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| 11:23:54 | Llorean | BigBambi: The fonts are properly named, but we hardcoded their old names into the source in a couple places, it seems. |
| 11:24:04 | BigBambi | Llorean, scotty_007: Sorry, just noticed that |
| 11:24:14 | BigBambi | Must read more carefully next time |
| 11:25:25 | scotty_007 | Llorean: I checked the whole source for old font names, there shouldn't be more |
| 11:25:37 | pixelma | that's the part which is responsible to include the fonts used in the default theme in a normal build zip, quite important I think |
| 11:25:55 | pixelma | if I remember correctly |
| 11:26:08 | Nico_P | so the known bugs in 3.0 will be those in http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?tasks=&project=1&due=3 ? |
| 11:27:31 | Llorean | Nico_P: Mostly, yes. That any any of the major "well, that feature isn't done yet" style issues like USB rebooting, etc. |
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| 11:34:05 | Nico_P | B4gder: the 3.0 tag should probably be called 3.0.0 just in case we release 3.0.1 and more |
| 11:36:05 | B4gder | we can always rename it later or just create a 3.0.1 later or just release 3.0.1 from the 3.0 branch |
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| 11:37:50 | Nico_P | yes, 3.0.1 would come from the 3.0 branch. I was thinking about the tag |
| 11:38:05 | B4gder | there's no tag yet, only the branch |
| 11:38:23 | B4gder | we should tag it at the exact release moment |
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| 11:38:56 | B4gder | but sure, the tag could be called 3.0.0 I don't think the tag name is terribly important |
| 11:39:57 | Nico_P | indeed it's not really |
| 11:40:18 | * | Nico_P should get back to more serious things |
| 11:40:24 | scotty_007 | FS #9358 should be considered before the release |
| 11:40:54 | scotty_007 | simple thing ;) |
| 11:43:09 | rasher | scotty_007: Yup, certainly needs fixing |
| 11:43:43 | rasher | amiconn: Check out FS #9358 |
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| 11:45:34 | scotty_007 | rasher: as said above, i grepped the whole source tree for old font names. no more found |
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| 11:48:17 | amiconn | Ah, yes. Missed those because they don't have a .bdf or .fnt extension |
| 11:48:22 | amiconn | Hardcoding is bad... |
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| 12:51:53 | swimmer | hi - I'm migrating my fonts now since I saw the svn changelogs on the website |
| 12:52:36 | swimmer | and r18394 speaks about fonts/README but this is not included in the zipfile ... |
| 12:52:46 | swimmer | wouldn't it be better to include it? |
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| 12:58:34 | PaulJam | swimmer: you can find the file here: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/fonts/README?view=markup&pathrev=18388 |
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| 13:06:18 | swimmer | PaulJam: I know that and I'm already converting with help from this reference table |
| 13:06:35 | swimmer | it's just more convenient to have it on place ... |
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| 13:11:00 | markun | gevaerts: didn't the ipod nano 2g also have a DFU mode? |
| 13:11:20 | markun | we might be able to dump the internal ROM by flashing the backlight if we find out which pin it's connected to and use our tool :) |
| 13:11:33 | markun | http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=5504335 |
| 13:11:41 | markun | we need one of those broken nanos.. |
| 13:11:53 | B4gder | why broken? |
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| 13:12:10 | markun | B4gder: well, unless we find another way to trigger DFU mode |
| 13:12:23 | markun | maybe we 'just' have to pull out the USB cable during a firmware upgrade ;) |
| 13:12:24 | mcuelenaere | B4gder: I think markun refers to the iPod's in that link.. |
| 13:12:26 | B4gder | aha, there's some special kind of brokeness that trigger it |
| 13:12:37 | markun | yes, I think so |
| 13:12:50 | B4gder | would be interesting to figure that out... |
| 13:13:02 | mcuelenaere | perhaps the same with disconnecting the NAND like on the Sansa v2's? |
| 13:13:38 | markun | I found similar references to DFU modes of the Shuffle |
| 13:14:15 | dionoea | what does DFU stand for? |
| 13:14:22 | markun | mcuelenaere: yes, if there is no button combination |
| 13:14:50 | mcuelenaere | do you think Apple implemented a button combination for triggering DFU mode? |
| 13:14:58 | markun | dionoea: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_DFU |
| 13:15:09 | B4gder | Da Firmware Update? ;-) |
| 13:15:11 | markun | "Device Firmware Upgrade" |
| 13:15:15 | B4gder | ah device |
| 13:15:25 | mcuelenaere | if so, you should definitely post on the New Port thread |
| 13:15:27 | dionoea | markun: thanks. |
| 13:15:28 | mcuelenaere | @markun |
| 13:16:06 | markun | mcuelenaere: which thread? |
| 13:16:18 | mcuelenaere | isn't there an apple ipod nano 2g thread? |
| 13:16:59 | mcuelenaere | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6518.0 |
| 13:17:15 | funman | shorting I/O pins look like a generic way to disable a NAND |
| 13:17:49 | dionoea | taking a soldering iron and sticking it in the NAND chip sounds generic too :) |
| 13:17:57 | dionoea | (although you can't re-enable it afterwards) |
| 13:18:45 | swimmer | hmm - and it seems that USB charging is not working on my Ipod 5.5g 80 GB with yesterday's revision ... |
| 13:20:42 | markun | mcuelenaere: btw, some versions of the chip have 1MB NAND inside the same package as the SoC, so no way to desolder it. |
| 13:20:55 | mcuelenaere | and short cutting it? |
| 13:21:04 | mcuelenaere | eh shorting |
| 13:21:14 | markun | but I guess this is not the case with the nano since they were able to dump the firmware with a flash reader. |
| 13:24:08 | markun | mcuelenaere: clear enough? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6518.45 |
| 13:24:51 | mcuelenaere | markun: thx :) |
| 13:25:20 | mcuelenaere | this'll probably trigger a new flood of posts |
| 13:25:44 | markun | I hope at least one explaining how to trigger this mode |
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| 13:27:01 | pixelma | swimmer: please give some details, I'm not even sure what you mean. What happens or what doesn't - when you do what, etc? |
| 13:27:03 | linuxstb | markun: What references have you found for the Nano and DFU mode? Googling, I can only find references to the touch and iphone having that mode. |
| 13:27:27 | mcuelenaere | linuxstb: look up in the logs |
| 13:27:28 | swimmer | pixelma: sorry to be so unclear :-/\ |
| 13:27:43 | mcuelenaere | linuxstb: http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=5504335 |
| 13:28:05 | * | linuxstb also found one - http://forums.ipodhacks.com/showthread.php?t=13301 |
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| 13:28:32 | swimmer | pixelma: I plug in the USB connector and rockbox switches to USB charging mode but if I unplug the connector after charging for 1 night I see that the battery level went from 99% to 87% |
| 13:28:38 | swimmer | not what you expect ... |
| 13:28:56 | mcuelenaere | linuxstb: shouldn't we add these links to a wiki or so? |
| 13:29:04 | swimmer | pixelma: I plugged the connector in while Rockbox was already running ... |
| 13:29:12 | funman | oops it looks like I accidentally make 2 people brick their e200v2 |
| 13:29:13 | swimmer | pixelma: more information? |
| 13:30:09 | markun | linuxstb: btw, I've also seen references to the DFU mode on the iriver T series, but nobody has figured out how to trigger it either. |
| 13:30:24 | dionoea | funman: congrats! |
| 13:30:48 | funman | my deal with SanDisk finally paid ! |
| 13:31:05 | moos | hehe :) |
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| 13:36:22 | virtuoso015 | hey, guys.... have created an extension to the e200tool |
| 13:36:38 | virtuoso015 | wondering if it would be a valuable addition to the |
| 13:36:42 | virtuoso015 | e200unbrick page |
| 13:36:52 | virtuoso015 | the problem i had is described here |
| 13:37:13 | virtuoso015 | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=18197.0 |
| 13:37:33 | virtuoso015 | and the solution is described here |
| 13:37:35 | virtuoso015 | http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33823 |
| 13:37:49 | virtuoso015 | would like to have some feedback on this... |
| 13:37:53 | pixelma | swimmer: switch to USB charging mode? Anyways, I think charging in Rockbox doesn't work completely yet on Ipods and it would only charge slowly, if the disk was spinning or backlight on it could be draining more than charging |
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| 13:44:03 | pixelma | I think you're currently better off charging in the original firmware |
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| 13:49:47 | ruskie | lo |
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| 13:50:05 | ruskie | anyone working on ipod shuffle 2g support in rockbox? |
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| 13:50:30 | markun | ruskie: funny that you should ask :) |
| 13:50:38 | markun | we just talked about it |
| 13:50:50 | ruskie | my brain is all over the place today... |
| 13:50:55 | ruskie | so what was the verdict? |
| 13:51:02 | markun | we need to find out how to enter DFU mode on the Shuffle, can you help us search for it? |
| 13:51:12 | ruskie | what's DFU mode? |
| 13:51:24 | GodEater | markun: don't we also need a compiler ? |
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| 13:51:26 | ruskie | I can help out to a point of just before breaking anything... |
| 13:52:00 | ruskie | ahh device firmware upgrade mode |
| 13:52:06 | markun | ruskie: it's a special debug more. Windows (if you're using that) should tell you "Windows needs to install driver software for your USB DFU Device." when you have managed to enter this mode. |
| 13:52:33 | markun | ruskie: do you know anything about it? |
| 13:52:36 | pixelma | markun: I thought you talked about the Nano? Are the 2nd gen Shuffles similar? |
| 13:52:38 | markun | GodEater: just normal ARM compiler |
| 13:52:43 | markun | pixelma: yes, they are |
| 13:52:44 | GodEater | for the shuffle ?! |
| 13:52:49 | GodEater | wow - since when? |
| 13:53:14 | markun | since the 2nd gen they use an ARM SoC |
| 13:53:26 | GodEater | you learn something new every day |
| 13:53:30 | pixelma | GodEater: I think you would need one for the 1st gen Shuffles, don't know anything about 2nd gen |
| 13:53:38 | dionoea | porting to a screenless device sounds like fun :) |
| 13:53:54 | * | GodEater would disagree ;) |
| 13:54:02 | ruskie | http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/iPod/iPod-Shuffle-2nd-Generation/Disassembly/100/1/ <−− can see all the hardware here |
| 13:55:01 | ruskie | http://accessories.ifrogz.com/278/in-recovery-mode-on-your-shuffle-help-is-here/ <−− hmm iPod reset utility... |
| 13:55:10 | * | GodEater knows how to do DFU mode on the iphone, and wonders if it's something similar on the shuffle / nano |
| 13:55:13 | swimmer | pixelma: ok thanks for the info - I was just wondering since it used to work quite ok ... |
| 13:55:32 | Jorsik | ok i have a question |
| 13:55:56 | markun | ruskie: yes, but how can we trigger the recovery mode.. |
| 13:56:13 | ruskie | markun, I'll search for it ;) |
| 13:56:16 | markun | thanks |
| 13:56:21 | B4gder | GodEater: could indeed be, DFU seems to be a generic thing |
| 13:56:21 | ruskie | I tend to be persistent |
| 13:56:30 | Jorsik | D2 has lcd screen LTV250QV-F0B, how important is that last part, they sell only F01 and F02, will that screen work on D2? |
| 13:56:53 | B4gder | Jorsik: ask cowon! :-/ |
| 13:57:01 | Jorsik | oh come on |
| 13:57:06 | B4gder | how could we know? |
| 13:57:15 | Jorsik | well you are programmers:P |
| 13:57:16 | markun | Jorsik: we really don't know what the differences are |
| 13:57:25 | markun | but not hardware manufacturers :) |
| 13:57:32 | Jorsik | ok |
| 13:57:44 | pixelma | swimmer: really? I don't have an Ipod myself, it's only what I've heard here... |
| 13:57:46 | Jorsik | cowon support is the worst in the world |
| 13:58:00 | * | GodEater doubts that very much |
| 13:58:21 | Jorsik | doubt what |
| 13:58:36 | GodEater | B4gder: on the iphone, DFU is triggered by a sequence of button pushes for a discrete length of time |
| 13:59:18 | GodEater | you phone must be off, but attached via USB to the PC. Then you hold the power and "home" buttons for 10 seconds. At the ten second mark, you release the power button, but keep the "home" button pressed for another 10 seconds. |
| 13:59:54 | GodEater | at the end of that process, the phone enters DFU mode (the only way to tell is windows will tell you a USB DFU device has connected) |
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| 14:00:20 | GodEater | so I'm guessing it'll be similar on the Nano / Shuffle - probably some combination of "select" and "play" |
| 14:00:25 | markun | ruskie: you could try something like that |
| 14:00:46 | GodEater | though be warned - it'll likely wipe your music out |
| 14:01:07 | * | pondlife wonders why we have an ...unbrick page when it's not possible to "unbrick". If you manage to recover than you never had a brick in the first place... |
| 14:01:20 | GodEater | pondlife: don't get me started ;) |
| 14:01:28 | markun | GodEater: for the Meizu you need to hold M and POWER, then plug in the cable |
| 14:02:14 | GodEater | no fiddly timing then ? |
| 14:02:46 | markun | no, not really |
| 14:02:51 | pixelma | swimmer: but I'm still curious what you mean with "Rockbox switches to USB charging mode", how you enter it and what you see on the screen then |
| 14:03:45 | ruskie | GodEater, I can easily get my music back :) |
| 14:03:54 | ruskie | I'm more worried if it'll brick |
| 14:04:30 | GodEater | ruskie: in our experience, ipods are incredibly hard to brick |
| 14:04:39 | * | pixelma thinks that 2nd gen Shuffles don't make a nice brick ;) |
| 14:04:46 | swimmer | pixelma: ipod w/ rockbox is already running & I plug in the connector & rockbox displays a connector icon (?) & after that the display mode changes to sth very simply regardless the theme with a big blinking circle + the text "Do not disconnect." underneath |
| 14:04:58 | swimmer | pixelma: more details? ;-) |
| 14:05:04 | * | mcuelenaere recognizes the StMp3Rec driver from somewhere when installing that iPod reset utility.. |
| 14:05:06 | ruskie | GodEater, ow? |
| 14:05:14 | GodEater | swimmer: that's not usb charging mode |
| 14:05:15 | markun | ruskie: is it possible to do a firmware upgrade? |
| 14:05:18 | ruskie | btw any way to recognise DFU mode on linux? |
| 14:05:39 | ruskie | markun, no clue... this hasn't touched a win system or itunes in over a year |
| 14:05:40 | GodEater | ruskie: yes - the usb id will change in lsusb from what you usually see when the ipod is connected |
| 14:05:46 | swimmer | GodEater: I was already afraid that I am using the wrong terminology :-/ |
| 14:05:58 | GodEater | swimmer: that's apple's "disk mode" |
| 14:06:11 | swimmer | GodEater: good to know |
| 14:06:12 | markun | in FreeBSD you also see that a DFU device is connected with dmesg |
| 14:06:24 | GodEater | probably that too in linux |
| 14:06:40 | * | GodEater isn't keen to do it with his phone just to check as it takes 10 minutes to restore and I'd have to download a load of stuff again |
| 14:06:43 | swimmer | pixelma: rockbox switches to Apple's "disk mode" if I plug in the usb connector while charging ;-) |
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| 14:07:07 | pixelma | swimmer: the "simple screen" you see is Apples disk mode and then it should charge correctly. But sometimes this automatic reboot into this doesn't work correctly and it'll stay at the Rockbox USB screen (the plug you see) |
| 14:07:13 | GodEater | swimmer: this is if you connect it to a PC, or you're using a wall charger ? |
| 14:07:39 | swimmer | GodEater: via PC - wall charger works just fine |
| 14:07:40 | * | B4gder summed up the dfu news in a blog post |
| 14:08:55 | GodEater | swimmer: and what happens if you hold down "Menu" when you plug in the USB cable ? |
| 14:08:55 | swimmer | pixelma: can it be that the charging works correctly until the battery is fully charged and the charging stops but disk mode keeps running and consumes energy? |
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| 14:09:18 | markun | B4gder: great! Might get more people motivated. |
| 14:09:19 | swimmer | GodEater: rockbox keeps running and I get a small icon notifying me that it's charging |
| 14:09:36 | swimmer | GodEater: but let me just verify what I'm writing ... |
| 14:10:14 | * | GodEater waits for B4gder's blog posting to show up in his RSS reader |
| 14:10:35 | markun | B4gder: ipod classic has it too :) http://macosx.com/tech-support/mac/ipod-classic-not-recognized-on-xp-pro/335871.html |
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| 14:10:55 | B4gder | aha |
| 14:10:58 | GodEater | markun: this is kind of moot though isn't it? We'd still need apple's keys to run code using this... |
| 14:11:01 | markun | but it has a differen SoC I believe |
| 14:11:13 | markun | GodEater: do we? |
| 14:11:23 | B4gder | not if we can access the chip directly over DFU |
| 14:11:27 | swimmer | GodEater: check - Rockbox Info gives me "Battery charging" .... |
| 14:11:55 | markun | GodEater: if we want to flash it then yes, but maybe we can dump the internal ROM this way where the key is hopefully stored. |
| 14:12:36 | markun | flashing the backlight for every bit and using a photo resistor |
| 14:12:52 | GodEater | good god, that doesn't sound like fun |
| 14:13:11 | GodEater | what code is going to do the flashing if we can't run our own though ? |
| 14:13:14 | markun | GodEater: the original ipod was hacked in a similar way but using the piezo :) |
| 14:13:25 | GodEater | markun: that was the 3G wasn't it ? |
| 14:13:32 | markun | could be |
| 14:13:56 | GodEater | that still doesn't answer my question though :) |
| 14:13:58 | markun | a flashing LED is used to dump firmwares of Canon cameras |
| 14:14:27 | markun | GodEater: so you think we would have to encrypt the code we send over DFU to the RAM as well? |
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| 14:14:43 | GodEater | markun: I strongly suspect so - but I can't prove it |
| 14:14:48 | markun | might be possible of course |
| 14:14:57 | GodEater | although.... |
| 14:15:03 | markun | only one way to find out :) |
| 14:15:07 | GodEater | I guess so |
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| 14:15:20 | * | GodEater struggles through what he understands of the iphone/itouch hack in his head |
| 14:15:56 | markun | B4gder: we would still have to find out which bit to toggle for anything like the piezo or backlight, but how.. |
| 14:16:09 | markun | I hope we don't break anything by just trying a few pins :) |
| 14:16:12 | * | ruskie wonders about how other iPods go into the DFU mode... |
| 14:16:25 | GodEater | ruskie: older ipods don't have one |
| 14:16:39 | ruskie | ow... |
| 14:16:45 | markun | and the newer ones wait for a key combo |
| 14:16:52 | GodEater | they have the emergency disk mode - that was all we needed |
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| 14:22:17 | * | GodEater goes to ask some iphone hackers to see if they might be able to provide a description of what it's possible to do in DFU mode |
| 14:22:28 | * | GodEater holds very little hope they'll answer however |
| 14:24:17 | Nico_P | hasn't the nano 2G's firmware already been dumped? I guess this time we're hoping to get the unencrypted version? |
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| 14:26:47 | GodEater | http://www.csrsupport.com/document.php?did=60 |
| 14:28:31 | markun | GodEater: you want to add support for DFU to the rockbox USB driver? ;) |
| 14:28:43 | GodEater | hell no |
| 14:29:01 | GodEater | I was just thinking it shows what the ipod's DFU driver should support at a minimum |
| 14:29:43 | markun | GodEater: here is also some info: http://www.usb.org/developers/devclass_docs/DFU_1.1.pdf |
| 14:29:51 | Nico_P | looks like a security hole from apple's point of view |
| 14:30:38 | GodEater | Nico_P: well that's how the iphone hack is done :) |
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| 14:31:11 | Nico_P | GodEater: are there sources available that describe that hack? |
| 14:31:21 | Nico_P | not source code I mean |
| 14:31:43 | GodEater | Nico_P: no - that's what I'm trying to find |
| 14:31:56 | GodEater | the "iphone-dev team" think it's better to keep it a secret |
| 14:32:16 | Nico_P | that's a pity, and a bit strange |
| 14:32:26 | GodEater | I think so too |
| 14:32:35 | GodEater | the iphone hacking community is pretty horrible really |
| 14:32:42 | GodEater | they don't believe in OSS at all really |
| 14:32:46 | Nico_P | that was my impression |
| 14:33:03 | ruskie | well I'm guessing if they actually revealed the hack it would just make it so that appl would easily patch it up again |
| 14:33:08 | GodEater | they're very teenage "you st0le my c0de - you suck!" |
| 14:33:10 | funman_ | them buying Apple hardware just proves that fact |
| 14:33:12 | ruskie | well the windows community tends to be the same |
| 14:33:22 | GodEater | ruskie: if they're to be believed - that's not possible |
| 14:33:29 | GodEater | Apple would have to recall the phones and modify the hardware |
| 14:33:39 | GodEater | but that's conjecture since they won't reveal how it's done |
| 14:33:58 | linuxstb | So we need another group of hackers to hack the hack? |
| 14:33:58 | Nico_P | they seem to consider themselves 1337 hackers that are too cool to share their secrets |
| 14:34:08 | ruskie | lol |
| 14:34:20 | GodEater | something like that |
| 14:34:22 | GodEater | it's very sad |
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| 14:34:42 | markun | ruskie: can you try what this 2nd post says? http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080728130023AA1MItW |
| 14:35:08 | Nico_P | GodEater: have you tried approaching them with a "we'd like to try porting rockbox" angle? |
| 14:35:25 | markun | ruskie: never mind, it's from the ipod touch, probably doesn't work the same |
| 14:35:33 | GodEater | markun: there's no "power" button on the nano ;) |
| 14:35:50 | GodEater | Nico_P: the problem is knowing who to approach |
| 14:35:54 | markun | GodEater: he has a shuffle, but still no power button probably :) |
| 14:36:17 | GodEater | I suspect not ;) |
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| 14:36:36 | ruskie | I have 5 buttons prev,next,volup,voldn,pause/play |
| 14:36:47 | ruskie | and 2 switches... on/off and loop/shuffle |
| 14:37:06 | markun | how much time do you have to try all combinations? ;) |
| 14:37:18 | ruskie | a lot just not this moment... |
| 14:37:20 | ruskie | still at work |
| 14:37:42 | Nico_P | that DFU mode sounds very much like what tctool does with telechips devices |
| 14:37:57 | B4gder | yes |
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| 14:38:05 | B4gder | but DFU is an attempt to a standard way for it |
| 14:38:14 | B4gder | while the tcc way is tcc-specific afaik |
| 14:38:22 | Nico_P | ah, right |
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| 14:38:35 | Nico_P | very convenient for us :) |
| 14:39:40 | ruskie | well off I go... will try all that later toda |
| 14:39:41 | ruskie | y |
| 14:40:14 | pixelma | I found hints on what to do when your 2nd gen Shuffle is stuck in DFU mode (appears to your computer as a DFU device) - usefull? |
| 14:40:45 | GodEater | pixelma: not unless it says how to get into that mode in the first place I would guess |
| 14:43:07 | * | GodEater thinks linuxstb needs to steal his 2nd gen nano back from his g/f and work out how to do it with that |
| 14:43:27 | linuxstb | Your girlfriend has my 2nd gen nano? |
| 14:44:01 | GodEater | *sigh* |
| 14:44:03 | markun | damn natural languages |
| 14:44:56 | dionoea | This guy found a way: http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies-archive.cfm/925265.html (put your ipod in a washing machine) |
| 14:46:01 | markun | ;) |
| 14:46:41 | GodEater | hahahahaha |
| 14:46:55 | GodEater | I can see that going into the Rockbox manual as a method for installing... |
| 14:47:02 | GodEater | is the model of washing machine important ? |
| 14:47:36 | dionoea | Hum ... at least we know that whirlpool should work ;) |
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| 14:47:55 | funman_ | which brand of wash powder ? |
| 14:48:59 | scotty_007 | can "wash" it in my siemens (if someone sends me such a device) |
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| 14:52:25 | cfp | Hum... the question is pretty stupid, but is it really such a good idea twash the ipod a second time ? I mean, the guy on that forum seems to not be jocking... Otherwise, maybe dry-cleaning ? |
| 14:53:01 | * | cfp understood that everybody was jocking in this IRC, but still wonders about that forum thread |
| 14:53:29 | LambdaCalculus37 | "Jocking"? That sounds dirty. :P |
| 14:53:41 | markun | cfp: I think just drying will be enough |
| 14:53:45 | Nico_P | I think the guy suggesting a curry might be joking |
| 14:54:23 | cfp | right, but the others about distillated water ?! |
| 14:54:38 | cfp | maybe it's just my understanding of english though |
| 14:55:13 | Nico_P | I don't think they're joking |
| 14:55:15 | cfp | still, I wouldn't try to wash my device a second time after leaving it in my washing mashine, and then rice-dry it... |
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| 14:55:21 | cfp | wooo |
| 14:55:24 | cfp | well then |
| 14:55:28 | Nico_P | sounded weird to me too |
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| 14:55:48 | dionoea | to remove some salt or other minerals which dried on the circuits maybe |
| 14:55:50 | cfp | I guess Ipods are more resistant than I thought... |
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| 14:57:22 | cfp | sure, but I guess I wouldn't dare do this anyway, especially if the player does turn up |
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| 15:00:19 | kugel | grr |
| 15:00:21 | kugel | endless loop |
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| 15:00:32 | Tuplanolla | :< |
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| 15:01:41 | * | LambdaCalculus37 hands kugel a better internet connection |
| 15:02:03 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: Thanks, but my internet wasn't the cause |
| 15:02:13 | kugel | but rather my dumbness |
| 15:02:27 | kugel | I totally forgot that I was already in IRC with my notebook |
| 15:02:59 | * | GodEater finds this : http://github.com/planetbeing/xpwn/tree/master |
| 15:03:03 | cfp | oh ? Which IRC client do guys use ? |
| 15:03:11 | cfp | I'm quite new to IRC... |
| 15:03:25 | Tuplanolla | i prefer irssi |
| 15:03:39 | cfp | Isn't there a command line equivalent to the ftp command on windows ? |
| 15:03:53 | cfp | cause all this interfacing is getting me bored |
| 15:03:55 | * | LambdaCalculus37 points cfp to #rockbox-community |
| 15:03:55 | GodEater | markun, Bagder: that repo has code to do the dfu magic |
| 15:04:00 | LambdaCalculus37 | cfp: Ask there. |
| 15:04:08 | GodEater | all we need then is work out how to get into DFU mode in the first place ;) |
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| 15:04:14 | cfp | I'm using Opera |
| 15:04:37 | cfp | LambdaCalculus37: where ? |
| 15:04:57 | LambdaCalculus37 | cfp: Ask all the non-Rockbox stuff in the community channel. Type /join #rockbox-community to join. |
| 15:05:02 | kugel | Is there a way to get notified or have at least something like for trunk on the front page for the 3.0 branch? |
| 15:05:05 | cfp | right |
| 15:05:13 | kugel | for commits of course |
| 15:05:42 | Nico_P | kugel: subscribe to the rockbox-cvs ML |
| 15:05:57 | kugel | Nico_P: Isn't this only for trunk? |
| 15:06:03 | Nico_P | on |
| 15:06:08 | Nico_P | *no |
| 15:06:21 | kugel | Also, I'd rather not get notified on trunk commits |
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| 15:06:58 | jac0b|w | does anyone know who EricLowe is on the wiki? |
| 15:07:51 | * | LambdaCalculus37 shrugs |
| 15:10:11 | jac0b|w | he posted I think some spareparts and I want one but he didn't post a email address on his wiki profile |
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| 15:12:44 | jac0b|w | is there a way to contact them thru the wiki |
| 15:13:44 | markun | jac0b|w: maybe leave him a message there and tell him how to contact you. I wouldn't know how else. |
| 15:15:12 | GodEater | markun: it looks like the xpwn stuff uses the dfu-util code from the openmoko project - which hopefully means that apple's DFU device side stuff plays nice with the standard. |
| 15:15:49 | markun | GodEater: my bet is that the code was supplied by Samsung |
| 15:16:00 | GodEater | very possibly |
| 15:16:33 | markun | which would mean that it doesn't play nicely and our meizu tool has a better chance of working |
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| 15:19:53 | GodEater | well the xpwn one has been hacked already |
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| 15:19:58 | GodEater | so perhaps their version might work ok ? |
| 15:20:08 | LambdaCalculus37 | We can try it out. |
| 15:20:14 | GodEater | still all hugely hypothetical of course until we work out how to get into dfu mode in the first place |
| 15:20:56 | LambdaCalculus37 | GodEater: I can throw the nano into the washer. ;) |
| 15:21:30 | markun | I would say first try our own tool |
| 15:21:49 | markun | although I'm not sure what to try |
| 15:22:25 | LambdaCalculus37 | I'm wondering if allowing the firmware update to go wrong would allow anything. |
| 15:24:42 | * | GodEater would try a variety of key combos before using the washing machine approach |
| 15:26:07 | * | LambdaCalculus37 thinks his brother may not appreciate having a nano thrown into the wash |
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| 15:44:45 | funman_ | :) |
| 15:44:59 | funman_ | hope it has recovery mode, you have stuff to test :P |
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| 16:10:04 | kugel | funman_: yea |
| 16:10:36 | funman_ | this evening I'll check the e200 firmware |
| 16:10:53 | funman_ | I only used my mkamsboot patch with m300 firmware |
| 16:11:21 | funman_ | I noticed a difference: v17 18 and 20 are padded with ff at the end of the file, so we can check if we don't overwrite something when relocating the blocks |
| 16:11:30 | funman_ | v29 isn't padded, it maybe random data or useful data |
| 16:12:52 | kugel | ah ok |
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| 16:18:59 | kugel | funman_: don't expect too much of me. I really need to catch up and learn before hacking |
| 16:23:11 | * | ruskie tries to figure out what might be possible to set the shuffle 2nd gen to DFU |
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| 16:50:46 | krz_ | hi all! |
| 16:50:55 | _emp | hi |
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| 16:51:20 | mcuelenaere | hi krz, did you see my response on your patch? |
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| 16:55:19 | krz_ | mcuelenaere: jup, looking i now :) |
| 16:55:24 | krz_ | *it |
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| 17:07:54 | HolstenKalli_ | how are you? |
| 17:09:15 | cfp | mcuelenaere: about patches, now that the source has been branched, what do you think of my patch FS #9325 ? |
| 17:09:33 | cfp | HolstenKalli_: fine, thanks |
| 17:09:52 | mcuelenaere | cfp: I like the idea, but haven't tested it yet |
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| 17:10:33 | mcuelenaere | cfp: you do seem to have a TAB in the patch.. |
| 17:10:53 | cfp | oh ? |
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| 17:11:01 | mcuelenaere | screen_foreground = rb->lcd_get_foreground(); |
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| 17:11:14 | cfp | I'll fix it asap then |
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| 17:12:44 | cfp | mcuelenaere: fixed |
| 17:13:32 | mcuelenaere | Nico_P: have you seen FS #9350 ? |
| 17:16:12 | Nico_P | mcuelenaere: I have, yes. I should probably commit it before we release |
| 17:18:31 | krz_ | mcuelenaere: you syntax patch looks great. it widely extends syntax highlighting in editor |
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| 17:23:09 | paolinux | hi |
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| 17:24:24 | paolinux | i d like to write an application to tun on ipod. I though to use rockbox but, what kind of executables files are supported ? |
| 17:25:32 | cfp | paolinux: none ; you have to write C code and recompile rockbox code. See the wiki page |
| 17:25:48 | paolinux | uhm |
| 17:25:56 | paolinux | can u give me a link ? |
| 17:26:20 | GodEater | www.rockbox.org |
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| 17:26:30 | linuxstb | paolinux: See this page - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowtoWritePlugins |
| 17:27:13 | paolinux | thank you, i start reading |
| 17:28:04 | linuxstb | If you know C, it's quite straightforward - start by compiling Rockbox yourself from the source code, then look at apps/plugins/*.c for inspiration (including helloworld.c) |
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| 17:29:18 | paolinux | can i access filesystem ? |
| 17:29:26 | linuxstb | Of course. |
| 17:29:31 | paolinux | very good ! |
| 17:29:49 | linuxstb | You have the entire source code to Rockbox there, so you can do anything... |
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| 17:30:43 | Hillshum | When installing cygwin, do I need the nano Editor? |
| 17:31:03 | linuxstb | paolinux: But remember that Rockbox is GPL'd, and plugins are considered part of Rockbox, not separate applications, so also need to be GPL'd (or compatible). |
| 17:31:18 | paolinux | of course |
| 17:32:06 | GodEater | Hillshum: no |
| 17:32:12 | linuxstb | Hillshum: You need some kind of editor, but it doesn't have to be Nano. You can use a native windows text editor if you want. |
| 17:32:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | Although having nano doesn't hurt anything. ;) |
| 17:33:01 | Hillshum | okay, should i edit the wiki to reflect that? ( the page with pictures doesn't mention it) |
| 17:33:29 | linuxstb | Which wiki page are you talking about? |
| 17:33:53 | Hillshum | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinInstallWithScreenShots |
| 17:34:27 | Hillshum | That one leaves it out, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment says to get it |
| 17:34:35 | * | GodEater thinks it looks fine |
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| 17:35:59 | aaron23 | Hi all, I have rockbox installed on a 4th gen 20gb ipod. |
| 17:37:07 | aaron23 | When I try to play files I have recorded using my ipod, the player does not "play". Further, after I've tried to play one of those files, it will not play any other file on the ipod until I reboot and reinitialize. Ideas? |
| 17:37:21 | linuxstb | That's a known problem. |
| 17:37:36 | linuxstb | playback is broken after recording until you reboot. |
| 17:37:42 | linuxstb | (on some ipods only) |
| 17:37:52 | amiconn | s/some/all/ |
| 17:38:01 | aaron23 | So I can reboot and it ought to playback recorded files? |
| 17:38:13 | amiconn | The cause is known, and btw, it looks like gain adjustment for recording also doesn't work |
| 17:38:50 | aaron23 | OK. Just wanted to be sure I wasn't crazy. |
| 17:39:07 | aaron23 | It starts thinking about things in 4 letters. All songs/files become 4 random letters. |
| 17:39:37 | linuxstb | I guess you transfer songs using itunes? |
| 17:40:01 | aaron23 | Yes, but I don't have it keeping them organized. The files are not saved like that using itunes. |
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| 17:40:19 | linuxstb | When itunes transfers files to an ipod, it renames them |
| 17:40:25 | aaron23 | Oh, that sucks. |
| 17:40:30 | aaron23 | Stupid itunes. |
| 17:40:36 | BigBambi | aaron23: And sticks them in random directories |
| 17:40:42 | mcuelenaere | krz_: perhaps the colors could be changed; and also the Regex'es aren't perfect atm |
| 17:40:47 | mcuelenaere | but I think it's a good start |
| 17:40:54 | BigBambi | That's why you need to use Rockbox's database if you transfer with itunes |
| 17:41:03 | krz_ | mcuelenaere: jup |
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| 17:41:15 | linuxstb | I think it makes sense for Apple's purpose - i.e. to keep filenames short and unique in the database. (Apple's firmware never shows you the filenames). But yes, for Rockbox use it sucks. |
| 17:41:32 | aaron23 | Know of any other software for Mac OS for keeping track of the database. |
| 17:41:38 | BigBambi | aaron23: They all do it |
| 17:42:03 | aaron23 | Ah, OK. |
| 17:42:05 | BigBambi | aaron23: If the other itunes replacement don't transfer to the ipod as itunes does, the ipod won't see them |
| 17:42:12 | aaron23 | Well, guess what I don't see won't hurt me. |
| 17:42:15 | linuxstb | If you don't want to use Apple's firmware, just drag and drop your folders of music to your ipod. |
| 17:42:46 | aaron23 | Eh, I'll admit itunes has a serious edge for convenience. |
| 17:42:58 | aaron23 | Comparaded to totally manual manipulation of files. |
| 17:43:03 | * | BigBambi won't, but each to their own :) |
| 17:43:10 | * | LambdaCalculus37 thought it was the other way around ;) |
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| 17:44:24 | aaron23 | Well, perhaps. I've not tried keeping files organized without a program. I suppose it's possible, but I'm not sure if I can mass rename albums and artists and things without. |
| 17:44:35 | aaron23 | I suppose so - that's all in the file info for files. |
| 17:45:11 | aaron23 | I wonder if the recording to insanity will be fixed? |
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| 17:46:13 | aaron23 | Well, thank you! |
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| 17:51:14 | _emp | quick question: where do rbutilqt's config files write to? and what cpp files controls this behavior? |
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| 17:51:33 | dionoea | _emp: what OS do you use? |
| 17:51:39 | _emp | openBSD |
| 17:51:59 | dionoea | Ah, i don't know then. On linux it's somewhere in ~/.config/<something> |
| 17:52:26 | _emp | I want to make sure it's normalized with the rest of my config files. |
| 17:53:38 | _emp | is this it: ~/.config/rockbox.org/RockBoxUtility.ini |
| 17:53:40 | _emp | ? |
| 17:53:53 | dionoea | I doubt that it's the firefox config :) |
| 17:54:18 | _emp | nice |
| 17:54:38 | _emp | is this the only file that rockbox utility creates? |
| 17:54:55 | dionoea | there's also a cache i believe |
| 17:55:19 | _emp | got that one, but I can control the path of that file in rockbox utility |
| 17:55:36 | dionoea | then that should be it. |
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| 17:56:11 | _emp | nice |
| 17:56:51 | dionoea | dominik would know for sure (I forgot his IRC nick) |
| 17:57:24 | LambdaCalculus37 | dionoea: Domonoky or bluebrother? (They're both Dominik) |
| 17:58:24 | _emp | nice |
| 17:58:25 | dionoea | hum ... who's the one who did rbutility? |
| 17:58:37 | _emp | he's a good guy |
| 17:58:38 | dionoea | (or is that someone else and I just messed up?) |
| 17:58:42 | Hillshum | How do I paste in Cygwin? |
| 17:58:55 | dionoea | Hillshum: you right click on the title bar |
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| 17:59:19 | gevaerts | dionoea: both of them :) |
| 17:59:27 | dionoea | heh |
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| 18:00:35 | Hillshum | OABTW, what does it use as home dir to save the trunk? |
| 18:05:15 | LambdaCalculus37 | Hillshum: /home/<username>/rockbox IIRC. |
| 18:05:35 | Hillshum | in win? |
| 18:05:49 | LambdaCalculus37 | Hillshum: You wanted Cygwin, right? |
| 18:05:59 | Hillshum | yeah |
| 18:06:27 | LambdaCalculus37 | Hillshum: The full path should be %SYSDRIVE%\Cygwin\home\<username>\rockbox, then. |
| 18:06:36 | Hillshum | Okay |
| 18:06:52 | LambdaCalculus37 | Depending on if you accepted the default install folder for Cygwin (which is normally C:\Cygwin). |
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| 18:09:02 | Hillshum | Okay, now how do I get a command line to run the installer |
| 18:09:04 | Hillshum | ?? |
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| 18:13:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | Hillshum: Open the Windows Command Prompt (Start > Run > cmd). Then type cd\Cyginstall\setup.exe -X |
| 18:14:17 | LambdaCalculus37 | When it asks you for a mirror, give it http://download.rockbox.org/cygwin/ for the mirror. |
| 18:15:08 | LambdaCalculus37 | Pick all of the packages on the mirror, then let them download and install. |
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| 18:16:10 | linuxstb | LambdaCalculus37: "cd\Cyginstall\..." ? |
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| 18:16:59 | LambdaCalculus37 | linuxstb: Or wherever the Cygwin setup app is stored. I used C:\Cyginstall. |
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| 18:17:14 | linuxstb | So you meant "c:" instead of "cd" ? |
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| 18:18:54 | LambdaCalculus37 | linuxstb: I used cd\Cyginstall because of the default drive being C:\ when Command Prompt is launched. |
| 18:19:49 | pixelma | does this shorthanding work? |
| 18:20:27 | pixelma | or however it is called |
| 18:21:16 | rasher | It sure does. Looks nasty though |
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| 18:22:29 | * | linuxstb moves to -community... |
| 18:22:44 | Hillshum | May I mention that the rockbox mirror has all the cygwin packages and the RB ones |
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| 18:23:52 | Hillshum | so selecting all the packages is to many |
| 18:24:25 | linuxstb | That sounds like setup.exe displaying packages from both the rockbox mirror and the main cygwin site together. |
| 18:24:49 | LambdaCalculus37 | The ones you want from the Rockbox mirror are listed here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment#Step_3_Select_the_Rockbox_mirror |
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| 18:34:16 | swimmer | hmm - is it possible that in Rockbox menus the current value is chosen? |
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| 18:34:47 | linuxstb | ? |
| 18:34:54 | swimmer | I mean let's say I browse fonts and I always am at the top of the list and not at the currently chosen font ... |
| 18:35:03 | swimmer | would be very convenient ;-) |
| 18:35:19 | linuxstb | Ah, you mean when you enter the menu, the current setting is the one selected? |
| 18:35:41 | swimmer | yup |
| 18:35:45 | * | domonoky notes that the inside of "browser fonts" isnt a menu, but a file browser... |
| 18:35:46 | linuxstb | I think that happens in real setting menus, but the font menu is in fact a file browser. |
| 18:35:51 | swimmer | thx for the translation ;-) |
| 18:36:00 | pixelma | I think it works in settings menus but not in the browsers... |
| 18:36:05 | * | pixelma too slow |
| 18:36:12 | linuxstb | But I agree that would be nice... |
| 18:36:15 | swimmer | same for themes I guess? |
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| 18:36:41 | linuxstb | Yes. And language. |
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| 18:37:18 | swimmer | hmm - the first 2 I use regularly ... |
| 18:37:25 | swimmer | so it would be convenient indeed |
| 18:37:30 | swimmer | ;-) |
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| 18:46:49 | Hillshum | the cd / command will take me to the home dir, how do i get to just the parent of what i'm in? |
| 18:47:31 | massiveH | cd ../ |
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| 18:48:26 | swimmer | isn't there a wps simulator for Linux? |
| 18:48:31 | linuxstb | Hillshum: This is more appropriate in #rockbox-community |
| 18:49:36 | BigBambi | swimmer: There is a simulator for linux just like windows |
| 18:49:39 | bertrik | swimmer, yes you can compile a target-specific simulator on linux, also there's now a wps editor with a preview |
| 18:49:40 | linuxstb | swimmer: Yes - it's the "Rockbox UI simulator", and works fine in Linux. You need to compile it yourself though. |
| 18:49:51 | swimmer | :) |
| 18:49:55 | swimmer | thx guys |
| 18:49:56 | BigBambi | There is also a work in progress wps editor that is also for linux/win/mac |
| 18:50:57 | swimmer | but nothing as a part of rbutil? then I could integrate it in the ebuild ;-) |
| 18:52:07 | BigBambi | The simulator simulates the whole UI, not just the WPS |
| 18:52:13 | BigBambi | It is too complex for rbutil |
| 18:52:20 | domonoky | swimmer: someday, when the wpseditor is ready, we might include it as a plugin into rbutil.. :-) |
| 18:52:25 | BigBambi | However, in time I guess the WPS editor could be a candidate |
| 18:52:45 | swimmer | so - which way to go atm? UI sim or WPS editor? |
| 18:53:00 | domonoky | at moment the UI sim is the best... |
| 18:53:07 | BigBambi | For doing what? |
| 18:53:18 | swimmer | for testing WPS ... |
| 18:53:30 | domonoky | for all, the wps editor is in early development... it needs a bit more time :-) |
| 18:53:32 | BigBambi | Sorry, I thought you wanted to package it |
| 18:53:44 | BigBambi | yes, uisim for testing WPS |
| 18:53:53 | swimmer | BigBambi: I don't mind to package it ;-) |
| 18:53:53 | BigBambi | don't forget the −−debugwps option |
| 18:54:00 | BigBambi | I was going to say I wouldn't |
| 18:54:11 | BigBambi | It changes all the time with Rockbox |
| 18:54:15 | * | linuxstb wonders if uisims for 3.0 would be useful |
| 18:54:27 | BigBambi | yeah, maybe for 3.0 |
| 18:55:08 | swimmer | I still didn't publish the ebuild since I hesitate to register for another bugtracker/forum/archive :-/ |
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| 18:55:28 | swimmer | erm - and ask for the symlink in svn ... |
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| 18:57:18 | swimmer | is it this one? -> http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/uisimulator/?pathrev=18388 |
| 18:58:02 | linuxstb | swimmer: It's that, plus scripts and code in tools/, apps/ and firmware/ |
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| 18:58:23 | swimmer | hmpf - more precise? |
| 18:58:33 | domonoky | swimmer: thats only the part specific to the simulator, it ofcourse uses much of the rest of rockbox... |
| 18:59:07 | linuxstb | i.e. it's 95% the same as a normal Rockbox build, but with things like disk I/O, LCD and buttons simulated using SDL or host operating system functions. |
| 18:59:25 | swimmer | I see - so I just checkout the whole tree and compile in uisimulator? |
| 18:59:51 | linuxstb | No, you checkout the whole tree, create a build directory, run ../tools/configure, then select your target device and "S" for simulator |
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| 19:00:11 | swimmer | would have been too nice ;-) |
| 19:00:24 | linuxstb | But not very flexible |
| 19:00:44 | * | gevaerts has been thinking... |
| 19:00:49 | linuxstb | There isn't a single UI simulator - you build one per target device. |
| 19:01:18 | gevaerts | Why do we need to reverse engineer NAND wear leveling algorithms? |
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| 19:01:33 | linuxstb | Interoperability |
| 19:01:57 | linuxstb | But yes, an option is to be incompatible with the original firmware. |
| 19:02:02 | gevaerts | Which we also don't have on some supported players... |
| 19:02:37 | gevaerts | I think if the choice is between no usable rockbox for the foreseeable future and no dualboot, I would choose no dualboot |
| 19:04:07 | * | Hillshum agrees |
| 19:05:19 | gevaerts | So I see the following options : (1) find out how the OF does things, (2) use JFFS2/YAFFS with MTP (/me hides), (3) use UDF, (4) use our own filesystem agnostic block device wear levelling algorithm |
| 19:05:29 | gevaerts | I'd go fot (2) or (3) |
| 19:05:45 | linuxstb | What target(s) are you talking about? |
| 19:05:57 | gevaerts | The ones with raw NAND access |
| 19:06:13 | swimmer | there's even a wiki page for uisimulator!! :) |
| 19:06:15 | linuxstb | I know about telechips, but are there others? |
| 19:06:38 | gevaerts | Does the meizu have hardware wear levelling? |
| 19:06:54 | gevaerts | Also, do we know if all telechips players use the same system? |
| 19:07:29 | linuxstb | The firmwares all seem to be very similar, so it's an educated guess that that part is the same. But I don't think we know for sure. |
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| 19:07:42 | fml | mcuelenaere: ping |
| 19:07:50 | gevaerts | They could have variations per CPU generation I guess |
| 19:08:21 | mcuelenaere | fml: pong |
| 19:08:46 | mcuelenaere | linuxstb, gevaerts: the Onda targets also use a NAND wear levelling scheme |
| 19:09:18 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: Is it known? e.g. is there source code available for it? |
| 19:09:21 | gevaerts | I think most of the newer flash players do |
| 19:09:39 | mcuelenaere | linuxstb: I think so, I haven't had a chance to test it because of other problems |
| 19:09:47 | mcuelenaere | (like MMU and not able to access the NAND chip) |
| 19:09:53 | Hillshum | the uisim i just compiled won't run |
| 19:10:00 | fml | mcuelenaere: re FS #9350 (WPS crash): why do you think checkwps would be affected? It only parses the WPS but does not interpret it. |
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| 19:10:10 | mcuelenaere | because I tested :) |
| 19:10:21 | mcuelenaere | or no I didn't |
| 19:10:25 | mcuelenaere | I tested WPS editor |
| 19:10:39 | mcuelenaere | and that crashed |
| 19:10:54 | fml | mcuelenaere: the WPS editor is OK since it does interpret the wps (or so I assume) |
| 19:10:55 | gevaerts | That one interprets |
| 19:11:14 | fml | gevaerts: :-P |
| 19:11:15 | mcuelenaere | fml: ok then perhaps this doesn't affect checkwps |
| 19:11:40 | mcuelenaere | I didn't really looked into what exactly the bug was |
| 19:11:41 | swimmer | wow - I'm deeply impessed guys - the build system works very well! 8-) |
| 19:11:52 | mcuelenaere | I just tried it and noticed WPS editor also crashed |
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| 19:12:27 | linuxstb | gevaerts: I think you should discuss with shotofadds - he's mentioned the idea before, but IIRC he dismissed it... |
| 19:12:30 | BigBambi | swimmer: yeah, having a new build on every commit via a distributed system is very nice |
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| 19:12:51 | gevaerts | linuxstb: I'll do that next time I see him |
| 19:12:55 | mcuelenaere | gevaerts: in any case, you'll need to use the old values for bad blocks |
| 19:13:02 | linuxstb | gevaerts: Maybe because he thinks people won't use Rockbox in its current (or near-future) state on the D2 if it can't dual-boot. |
| 19:13:03 | swimmer | and it's not complicated at all - shouldn't have whined before trying it ;-) |
| 19:13:16 | BigBambi | There be a lesson in life |
| 19:13:19 | gevaerts | linuxstb: they won't use it now either... |
| 19:13:19 | fml | Nico_P: hey! You're the WPS man! Wanna have a look at FS #9350? |
| 19:13:34 | mcuelenaere | for example in the Samsung datasheets, they explain how the factory marks bad blocks (and this needs to be imported to your wear levelling system) |
| 19:13:36 | mcuelenaere | @gevaerts |
| 19:13:47 | gevaerts | mcuelenaere: maybe, but that's probably a lot simpler |
| 19:13:53 | Nico_P | fml: I already took a quick look. are you sure there is a need for a function? |
| 19:14:05 | mcuelenaere | I don't know, you should still need to figure out how to import the list of bad blocks.. |
| 19:14:12 | swimmer | lol BigBambi |
| 19:14:25 | linuxstb | gevaerts: Another option (for the D2 at least) is to ignore the internal flash, and just use the SD cards for Rockbox... |
| 19:14:32 | fml | Nico_P: the code is repeated many times so I thought I'd make it a function |
| 19:15:19 | fml | Nico_P: it could be a macro as well |
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| 19:16:44 | Nico_P | I think an inline function would be better than a macro |
| 19:17:00 | n1s | fml: functions are generally better for binsize |
| 19:17:20 | fml | And what do you guys think about the idea in FS #9356? |
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| 19:17:40 | fml | Nico_P: ok, make it inline. I wanted to avoid repeating code. |
| 19:17:43 | * | domonoky thinks a inline function is always better then a macro, we want to avoid macro hell :-) |
| 19:18:10 | Nico_P | fml: my doubts about using a function/macro are mainly with code readability |
| 19:19:01 | Nico_P | it may be just me, but the added function confused me at first |
| 19:19:03 | fml | Nico_P: if the name of the function tells what it does then it should be readable. I'm not sure though I've picked the best name. |
| 19:19:10 | amiconn | linuxstb: I'd consider that cheating. A proper rockbox port should definitely support the built-in flash |
| 19:19:22 | amiconn | For development this is probably okay though |
| 19:19:53 | linuxstb | amiconn: Of course. What do you think about the OF compatibility question? |
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| 19:21:35 | amiconn | I'd go for option (1) or (4) |
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| 19:21:45 | amiconn | (1) being my first choice of course |
| 19:22:08 | linuxstb | ;) The inverse of gevaerts. |
| 19:22:42 | amiconn | (2) and (3) aren't sane options imo |
| 19:22:58 | linuxstb | I wouldn't like (2), and I'm not sure of the implications of (3)... |
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| 19:24:48 | amiconn | (2) would limit the device to systems supporting mtp. Older/ less widespread systems don't, and adding mtp support may be impossible |
| 19:25:17 | amiconn | (3) would limit the device to systems supporting udf. Different feature, same problems |
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| 19:26:57 | amiconn | (1) and (4) are functionally equal except (4) kills OF compatibility |
| 19:27:37 | Nico_P | UDF as in Universal Disk Format? |
| 19:27:43 | n1s | wouldn't it be possible to present a faked FAT partition through ums and on the fly translatte |
| 19:27:54 | n1s | to whatever internal format it ewants? |
| 19:28:20 | amiconn | Perhaps, but then it would be a cumbersome variant of (4) |
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| 19:30:23 | amiconn | s/but// |
| 19:30:44 | gevaerts | I would prefer (1), but I'm afraid it may not be realistic |
| 19:30:56 | amiconn | Why not? |
| 19:32:16 | * | amiconn thinks an emulator might be helpful here |
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| 19:33:10 | gevaerts | because of something shotofadds said a while ago. I'm searching the logs now |
| 19:34:15 | swingline | Hey all check these out .. http://www.thinkgeek.com/electronics/video/9e19/ I of course wonder about its rockboxability |
| 19:34:38 | swingline | $69 mpeg, avi, mp3 player 2gb |
| 19:34:45 | n1s | terrible batterytime |
| 19:35:14 | swingline | yea someone always has something bad to say |
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| 19:35:41 | gevaerts | amiconn: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20080709#23:17:30 (of course things might have changed since then) |
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| 19:37:46 | n1s | swingline: 6-8 hours for a flashbased player is pretty bad also they seem pretty no-name and those players are not very nice to target because of difficulty finding them |
| 19:37:55 | shotofadds | evening ;) |
| 19:38:00 | n1s | finding the right ones that is |
| 19:38:08 | LambdaCalculus37 | Evening, shotofadds! |
| 19:38:32 | * | gevaerts waves at shotofadds |
| 19:39:10 | amiconn | gevaerts: He just said what you said, without an explanation |
| 19:39:15 | shotofadds | gevaerts: I'd strongly prefer (1) - in a read-only capacity if needs be - then (4). I personally don't want to sacrifice the OF. |
| 19:39:30 | linuxstb | n1s: I would assume they've got (physically) small batteries. But I agree that no-name devices are a bad idea to target as Rockbox ports. |
| 19:39:40 | amiconn | shotofadds: Imo the goal should of course be (1), including write support |
| 19:40:15 | linuxstb | shotofadds: Is there anything in particular that makes you think (1) is unobtainable on the telechips devices? |
| 19:40:21 | linuxstb | (assuming you still think that) |
| 19:41:04 | swimmer | there's even sound :) |
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| 19:41:42 | shotofadds | amiconn, linuxstb: yes, that should be the eventual plan. "unobtainable" is maybe a little strong, what I meant was "rather more difficult than I'm willing to contend with right now" :-) |
| 19:41:58 | gevaerts | ok. That changes things a bit :) |
| 19:42:03 | amiconn | shotofadds: "right now" being the important point |
| 19:42:30 | * | gevaerts would not be very motivated working on a usb driver knowing that it may never be useful anyway |
| 19:43:56 | shotofadds | I wouldn't like to speculate about what "right now" means... |
| 19:44:20 | shotofadds | gevaerts: usb would still be useful for the SD card |
| 19:44:38 | shotofadds | although so is a card reader :) |
| 19:44:42 | swimmer | but there is no keymapping for "Menu" - a workaround is toggling USB connect :) |
| 19:45:03 | * | gevaerts thinks the D2 makes an expensive card reader :) |
| 19:47:05 | * | shotofadds thinks that from read/write flash access, USB and SD support, SD should be the priority. |
| 19:47:23 | gevaerts | for D2, sure. But there are other tcc players |
| 19:47:49 | swimmer | ahh - ../uisimulator/sdl/button.c has some more ;-) |
| 19:48:09 | shotofadds | yes, it's not going to help the fast-progressing iaudio7 port ,is it? |
| 19:48:30 | * | gevaerts wants his DAX to run rockbox :) |
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| 19:49:18 | shotofadds | gevaerts: if I have SD or USB it will _greatly_ help my ability to debug the flash, which will indeed help those other ports. dumping reams of hex to the screen is not fun :/ |
| 19:49:38 | gevaerts | shotofadds: I'm looking at vitja's usb work right now |
| 19:50:04 | * | gevaerts decided that he wants an usb driver for his meizu more than he wants LCD |
| 19:50:17 | domonoky | could someone with linux test the newest WPS editor patch (FS #9344) from krz ? i want to commit it, if it works :-) |
| 19:50:33 | gevaerts | domonoky: I'll do that |
| 19:51:17 | domonoky | those buildall scripts in the wpseditor dont seem to work right for me on windows, but i would just leave them out.. |
| 19:53:24 | mcuelenaere | domonoky: I'm on it |
| 19:53:32 | mcuelenaere | ah gevaerts too seems |
| 19:53:36 | * | shotofadds wonders whether preglow might post his work-in-progress SD code as a patch |
| 19:53:40 | domonoky | :-) |
| 19:54:28 | mcuelenaere | krz_: your way of fixing opening libwps_* under Linux still doesn't work.. |
| 19:54:40 | mcuelenaere | the fix I suggested in FlySpray did work though |
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| 19:55:15 | gevaerts | works here... |
| 19:55:33 | gevaerts | domonoky: I can select another target, open a wps, and have it shown correctly |
| 19:55:50 | domonoky | good.. |
| 19:55:54 | gevaerts | I also get a multi-coloured wps text box :) |
| 19:55:57 | mcuelenaere | ah sorry, I forgot to compile libwps_* :/ |
| 19:56:08 | mcuelenaere | gevaerts: what do you think of the colors? |
| 19:56:13 | mcuelenaere | I'm not sure about the darkred |
| 19:56:34 | gevaerts | darkred == the | ? |
| 19:57:05 | mcuelenaere | yes, I think (that or either the ( ) ) |
| 19:57:29 | gevaerts | I see what you mean. I think the colours need to be configurable eventually anyway though |
| 19:58:21 | mcuelenaere | btw isn't there a way to set a svn property to automatically chmod +x buildall.sh ? |
| 19:58:46 | gevaerts | chmod and commit? |
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| 19:59:46 | gevaerts | krz_: the grid is not very usable right now I think. Would it be possible to draw first the backdrop, then the grid, and then the rest? |
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| 20:01:51 | domonoky | there is: svn:executable .. maybe this does it ? |
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| 20:02:27 | beta2k | Is there something funky the gigabeat format util does to the HD? |
| 20:02:57 | BigBambi | do you mean the S and do you mean when it demands a restore? |
| 20:02:58 | beta2k | I dropped the GBSYSTEM and .rockbox folders from my 10gig to a iPod 30gig drive and it still tells me system error... |
| 20:03:01 | mcuelenaere | krz_: does buildall.bat work on your environment? |
| 20:03:02 | beta2k | I mean F |
| 20:03:08 | BigBambi | aha |
| 20:03:24 | BigBambi | beta2k: I swapped a 40 for a 60 just by copying files and it worked fine |
| 20:03:33 | beta2k | weird... |
| 20:03:39 | BigBambi | But it wasn't an ipod drive |
| 20:03:46 | BigBambi | Maybe apple do something odd :P |
| 20:03:51 | beta2k | It's formatted FAT32, so I assumed there was no boot record or anything like aPC |
| 20:03:55 | domonoky | mcuelenaere: the buildall.bat in libwps works fine for me.. but the main one doesnt... so i will not commit those.. |
| 20:03:58 | gevaerts | beta2k: try again. When I installed on my f60, it didn't work the first time |
| 20:04:13 | gevaerts | domonoky: the main buildall.sh works here |
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| 20:04:23 | beta2k | Did you format with the GB utils or just copy files to a FAT32 drive? |
| 20:04:25 | mcuelenaere | domonoky: right, qmake doesn't seem to be building qmake in src/ nor src/QPropertyEditor when doing the main one |
| 20:04:42 | mcuelenaere | ... to be executing qmake ...* |
| 20:04:47 | gevaerts | I didn't format actually. I just installed the dummy gbsystem files and rockbox |
| 20:05:00 | beta2k | Weird... |
| 20:05:20 | mcuelenaere | gevaerts: what Win OS are you testing on? |
| 20:05:22 | beta2k | was it a ipood drive? |
| 20:05:31 | mcuelenaere | and how did you run buildall.bat (with what PATH)? |
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| 20:05:44 | gevaerts | mcuelenaere: I said buildall.sh ;) |
| 20:05:52 | mcuelenaere | woops misread |
| 20:05:53 | beta2k | I was sorta hoping for a drive bootable in a ipod and gigabeat :) |
| 20:05:57 | mcuelenaere | buildall.sh does work indeed |
| 20:06:01 | * | gevaerts just wanted to say that this must be a windows-only issue |
| 20:06:33 | domonoky | jup, the paths on windows are the problem... |
| 20:06:42 | mcuelenaere | yes, but the weird thing is that krz_ main platform is MingW/Windows... |
| 20:06:57 | beta2k | gevaerts: So try copying the files again or booting again? |
| 20:07:19 | gevaerts | beta2k: try copying again I guess |
| 20:07:41 | domonoky | so should i commit the buildall scripts ? (or only the shell one ? ) |
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| 20:08:26 | fml | No slow fingered users here (FS #9356)? |
| 20:08:29 | mcuelenaere | domonoky: perhaps you should wait until krz_ responds |
| 20:08:47 | fml | (sorry for nagging. Just tell me and I'll shut up) |
| 20:09:08 | beta2k | I wonder if the GB software wants the extra folders? music et al |
| 20:10:04 | gevaerts | No |
| 20:10:19 | beta2k | Ok |
| 20:10:50 | beta2k | fml, shut up :) |
| 20:11:43 | fml | beta2k: ok |
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| 20:13:00 | gevaerts | fml: I'm not sure if it will get accepted (I'm not sure if we want it...), but I do think it needs a manual entry as well |
| 20:13:36 | * | gevaerts thinks we should ignore patches until they include the corresponding manual bits |
| 20:15:22 | fml | gevaerts: I'd update the manual (in the patch) if there was a chance for the feature to get accepted. Long press is used extensively in rockbox so I think there should be a setting telling what should be considered as a long press (as opposed to a short press) |
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| 20:16:42 | beta2k | Crud, downloaded the dummy files and still no go... :( |
| 20:18:03 | gevaerts | fml: the main questions I see are (a) we already have a lot of settings, do we need more? and (b) how much RAM does this cost? |
| 20:18:26 | gevaerts | fml: do you have an idea about (b)? You can compare rockbox-info.txt with and without the patch |
| 20:18:36 | gevaerts | beta2k: maybe format with normal tools? |
| 20:19:05 | gevaerts | beta2k: or ask toffe82 |
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| 20:30:32 | fml | gevaerts: re (a): I think it's a thing used very frequently and very directly affecting the user experience and hence should be adjustable re (b) I'll check |
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| 20:33:16 | pixelma | user experience is also finding settings, and _I_ haven't heard/read about someone complaining but maybe there are people *shrug* |
| 20:34:20 | fml | pixelma: there is at least one who always calls the context menu :-) |
| 20:35:55 | pixelma | wow... how long do you "press" a button then? |
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| 20:36:56 | fml | gevaerts: after make is run, where do I find the file rockbox-info.txt? |
| 20:37:15 | gevaerts | in the root of the build directory |
| 20:39:28 | fml | gevaerts: ah, ok, it's created after all the plugins have also been compiled. I see it now. |
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| 20:43:44 | fml | pixelma: that's not me. But it's probably longer than 0.3 sec |
| 20:47:37 | fml | gevaerts: re (b) (see above): http://www.pastebin.ca/1192854 |
| 20:48:04 | fml | gevaerts: I don't know which size is important |
| 20:49:08 | gevaerts | fml: I think RAM usage. Anyway, maybe add this to the tracker |
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| 20:51:17 | fml | gevaerts: done. I should have thought about that! |
| 20:52:59 | swimmer | wow - first theme I modified with the help of the UI simulator :) |
| 20:53:10 | swimmer | many thanks to you guys!!! 8-) |
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| 20:59:19 | amiconn | The colour selection screen is broken |
| 20:59:53 | amiconn | Try with a sufficiently large font and see... |
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| 21:00:11 | Llorean | Bagder: I actually have a broken 2nd generation Nano in my possession. |
| 21:00:16 | Llorean | I don't know how broken though. |
| 21:00:40 | Llorean | It'd probably be best if I sent it to someone who's more confident for opening / shorting / etc though. |
| 21:01:13 | wpyh | guys, what do you think of the current state of how text scrolling works in the WPS? |
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| 21:01:37 | wpyh | currently, the text scrolls at the edge of the screen (or viewport for that matter) |
| 21:01:49 | wpyh | this doesn't look good for long song names |
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| 21:02:04 | wpyh | how about adding a space at the start and end of the song name if it's to be scrolled? |
| 21:02:34 | linuxstb | If you want that, just do it in the theme. (i.e. adjust the viewport) |
| 21:02:51 | linuxstb | Or am I misunderstanding? |
| 21:02:55 | wpyh | hm... that would create a different effect |
| 21:03:00 | pixelma | wpyh: firstly, you can avoid it be setting a slightly smaller viewport. Second: this doesn't apply to greyscale and monochrome targets |
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| 21:03:21 | Llorean | wpyh: " %ia " |
| 21:03:28 | wpyh | ah, what's the difference between color and monochrome targets? |
| 21:03:50 | linuxstb | Llorean: That doesn't take account of "if it's to be scrolled" |
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| 21:03:56 | Llorean | linuxstb: True. |
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| 21:04:13 | pixelma | they already have some sort of spacing (you see an unused area of the display) |
| 21:04:26 | gevaerts | Conditional viewports, with "to be scrolled" as the condition! |
| 21:04:35 | wpyh | pixelma: ah, ok |
| 21:04:37 | Llorean | linuxstb: I'd probably just put the space at the end of the line, you probably wouldn't want it randomly indenting artist names before scrolling. |
| 21:04:50 | Llorean | And that'd, generally speaking, be invisible for non-scrolling names. |
| 21:04:55 | wpyh | I don't have a monochrome or greyscale target :p |
| 21:05:01 | * | linuxstb doesn't understand what wpyh wants |
| 21:05:06 | amiconn | Llorean: It would start scrolling too ealry |
| 21:05:07 | amiconn | *early |
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| 21:05:10 | wpyh | hm.. |
| 21:05:13 | * | gevaerts thinks his solution is best |
| 21:05:38 | wpyh | what I want is, insert a space character at the start of the song name, and at the end of the song name |
| 21:05:49 | amiconn | wpyh: Set the bidirectional scroll limit to 0%, then you'll always get "scroll around" |
| 21:06:12 | wpyh | so when it scrolls to the end, there is some space between the edge of the screen and the last word of the song name |
| 21:06:15 | pixelma | I'd just use a slightly smaller viewport than the display size for the complete WPS if it would bother me |
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| 21:06:25 | wpyh | but when it is scrolling, it would scroll right off the edge |
| 21:06:26 | Llorean | amiconn: Too early? |
| 21:06:28 | wpyh | hm... |
| 21:06:39 | wpyh | amiconn: I would look at the manual on how to do that |
| 21:06:51 | amiconn | It's a setting... |
| 21:06:58 | pixelma | Llorean: it would start scrolling even if the complete tag would fit (without the spaces) |
| 21:07:25 | pixelma | it could... |
| 21:07:26 | wpyh | ok... |
| 21:07:39 | * | amiconn would rather not want to make the string even longer if it already needs to scroll because it's too long for the display |
| 21:08:02 | wpyh | pixelma: we should only add the space if the tag doesn't fit in the first place |
| 21:09:36 | pixelma | Llorean: it would do that with my viewport method too though |
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| 21:11:38 | Llorean | pixelma: Yes, but a single space at the end "%ia " would start scrolling very rarely when it shouldn't anyway. |
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| 21:11:58 | wpyh | amiconn: I tried that setting... it scrolls around (but not what I wanted) |
| 21:12:07 | Llorean | If you wanted it to not stop flush with the edge of the screen, you'd probably favour scrolling ones that are slightly shorter anyway. |
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| 21:12:16 | wpyh | maybe I would have to make a mock-up screenshot for that |
| 21:12:52 | gevaerts | I think pixelma's solution is best. Just use a narrower viewport |
| 21:13:07 | amiconn | Imho it would look rather odd if the text would *not* stop flush with the borders when scrolling back & forth |
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| 21:13:30 | wpyh | amiconn: so it's a matter of personal preference, eh? :) |
| 21:13:45 | * | wpyh feels just the opposite of what amiconn feels |
| 21:14:39 | Llorean | wpyh: Try just adding a space after the tag, as I suggested then. |
| 21:15:12 | wpyh | Llorean: ok, I'll try that |
| 21:16:27 | * | ZincAlloy wonders why there is no decent replacement for win_crox4h in the new font-pack.... |
| 21:16:50 | pixelma | Llorean: really? I removed the spaces that were there in the Rockboxed WPS for the Archos just because of that getting annoying (and it was useless there anyways) |
| 21:17:54 | Llorean | pixelma: I'd find it annoying. I'm just saying, if wpyh wants what he says he wants, I think adding a space after the tag will accomplish it. |
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| 21:18:51 | wpyh | hm... adding spaces doesn't seem to work |
| 21:18:54 | * | wpyh will try again later |
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| 21:21:43 | pixelma | Llorean: the difference to a viewport will be that there is no spacing as long as the line has to scroll, adding one viewport definition above everything would be nicer but might mean some more adjusting of bitmap position - just a few pixels though) |
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| 21:26:54 | pixelma | would be anyone opposed to http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8393 ? Asking c200 users specifically |
| 21:27:35 | gevaerts | go for it! |
| 21:29:05 | pixelma | it would make sense to me (I expected it anyways) and (a stupid example but) in brickmania those buttons offer an additional left and right... |
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| 21:30:33 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: Go for it! |
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| 21:34:04 | miner49er | Hello, is there anyone who knows anything about Ondios, as I recently bought a 4Gig card andRockbox doesn't seem to read it? |
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| 21:34:46 | pixelma | hmm, my 4GB MMC works fine here, what brand is it? |
| 21:35:52 | pixelma | miner49er: do you have a link maybe? |
| 21:36:02 | miner49er | Hi pixelma, mine is a Transcode MMC Plus 4GB... |
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| 21:37:38 | miner49er | this one |
| 21:37:40 | miner49er | http://www.amazon.co.uk/Transcend-4GB-Multimedia-Plus-Card/dp/B000MWSZQC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1220470634&sr=8-1 |
| 21:37:50 | pixelma | I only know of Transcend and amiconn has one (4GB as well, trying to get his attention ;) ) |
| 21:38:05 | amiconn | No, my 4GB is an A-Data |
| 21:38:40 | miner49er | oh :-( That's a real shame - is there a strong possibility this brand is incompatible? |
| 21:38:44 | pixelma | confused it with my 1GB card :) |
| 21:38:55 | amiconn | I doubt it. Do other MMCs work? |
| 21:39:22 | miner49er | I don't have another one. |
| 21:39:43 | miner49er | I only just bought the Ondio (it was only £5 off ebay - maybe it's faulty?) |
| 21:40:39 | miner49er | very reluctant to buy another card to find out - I really wanted a solid state player as well :-( |
| 21:41:06 | amiconn | YOu're inserting the MMC correctly (just to make sure - the Ondio needs the card inserted with the label facing back) |
| 21:41:13 | amiconn | *You've |
| 21:41:52 | miner49er | Yeah, Rockbox is recognising a card is being inserted but then says there's no card... |
| 21:42:08 | amiconn | ? |
| 21:42:22 | miner49er | Well, it says "Scanning card" |
| 21:42:38 | amiconn | Rockbox doesn't say "scanning card" |
| 21:42:48 | miner49er | Sorry, "scanning disk" |
| 21:42:56 | miner49er | ...when in the Rockbox info screen |
| 21:43:06 | pixelma | could it be wrong formatted? |
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| 21:43:25 | miner49er | Well, fdisk tells me it's Win95 Fat32 |
| 21:43:32 | amiconn | That's just for updating the freecount, and has nothing to do with the card |
| 21:44:05 | miner49er | Okay - but it shows that message as I plug/unplug the card |
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| 21:44:19 | miner49er | ...so I assumed it recognised the card being inserted |
| 21:44:21 | amiconn | Check System->Debug->View Disk Info, and then press Right to switch to [MMC1] |
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| 21:44:52 | amiconn | What does it display below that headline? |
| 21:45:20 | amiconn | (with the card inserted of course) |
| 21:45:31 | miner49er | [MMC 0] |
| 21:45:41 | miner49er | STM129 Rev 9.8 |
| 21:45:45 | pixelma | stop |
| 21:45:47 | amiconn | Press RIGHT to switch to [MMC 1] |
| 21:45:56 | amiconn | [MMC 0] is the internal storage |
| 21:46:04 | miner49er | Okay, it says Not Found! |
| 21:46:27 | miner49er | incompatible? |
| 21:46:32 | amiconn | Hmm, then I can't tell what the problem is |
| 21:46:48 | amiconn | It *seems* it's incompatible, but it could also be your card slot |
| 21:47:02 | amiconn | Of course this incompatibility should be fixable |
| 21:47:07 | amiconn | (if it is) |
| 21:47:19 | pixelma | I think I once found a forum thread of someone having problems with a 4GB Transcend card too |
| 21:47:42 | miner49er | Is there anyway of finding out? Can I check out some details using my PC (with linux installed) |
| 21:48:01 | miner49er | I'll check the forum out, thank pixelm |
| 21:48:39 | amiconn | I don't think so. I don't know of any card readers that interface directly with the PC. The USB bridge in USB card readers hides all the interesting details |
| 21:48:44 | miner49er | Can the slot be damaged from inserting the card in the wrong way? I did that the first time... |
| 21:48:54 | miner49er | right |
| 21:49:09 | amiconn | I don't think so, unless you applied excessive force |
| 21:49:32 | pixelma | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=13701.0 but he geve the card back |
| 21:49:40 | pixelma | *gave |
| 21:49:48 | miner49er | Well, it went in no trouble -does that suggest the slot is screwed? |
| 21:50:08 | amiconn | Well, in theory some cards could be fundamentally incompatible (technically: cards which don't support SPI mode), but then I haven't seen such cards yet |
| 21:50:39 | amiconn | miner49er: You can do another test: Connect the Ondio to the PC via USB, with the card removed first |
| 21:50:52 | pixelma | what I find weird is that I have a 1GB Transcend MMCplus and it works flawlessly |
| 21:51:03 | amiconn | ..and rockbox running. The drive letter should show up in explorer (assuming windows) |
| 21:51:52 | miner49er | running ubuntu |
| 21:51:58 | amiconn | Then plug the card. Windows should detect "removal" and replugging of an usb device in quick succession. Now check whether you can access the card in explorer |
| 21:52:53 | amiconn | Hmm, it should work similar in linux, but I'm not sure how it reacts on surprise removal of usb storage (one of my biggest annoyances about linux) |
| 21:54:04 | miner49er | Right, after pluging in the Ondio, Ubuntu showed the 128Meg - fine. After slotting my MMC in, it then showed the 4Gig! So something recognising it :-) |
| 21:54:08 | amiconn | Hmm, the forum thread pixelma pointed me to suggest that it's a software issue |
| 21:54:52 | amiconn | The card should be recognised in the OF (but then the OF cannot access the files, because it's no prepared for large blocks) |
| 21:55:16 | amiconn | I could fix it, if I would have access to such a card... |
| 21:55:46 | miner49er | I'll send it you :-) It's useless to me and I can be doing 'my bit' for Rockbox! |
| 21:56:34 | miner49er | (though I have donated ;-) ) |
| 21:56:44 | * | amiconn would of course send it back afterwards |
| 21:56:57 | miner49er | Okay, even better! |
| 21:56:58 | * | amiconn has 4 MMCs already, for 2 Ondios |
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| 21:57:16 | amiconn | 128MB, 256MB, 2GB and 4GB. All different brands |
| 21:58:16 | miner49er | Heh, nice - I really hoped that I could get a bunch of cards and keep all my music on me. I also like the Ondio as you can use normal batteries |
| 21:59:11 | miner49er | do you want to email me your address and I'll pop it in the post tommorow - send to mat at lessermatters.co.uk |
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| 22:01:01 | miner49er | Actually, maybe I should mention my Ondio is an Ondio 128 (with FM) - if that makes any difference. |
| 22:01:33 | amiconn | They're all called 'Ondio 128', the variants being FM and SP |
| 22:02:09 | amiconn | The FM is sometimes labeled "Ondio 128" only, i.e. without the 'FM'. Those are the older models |
| 22:02:38 | amiconn | There are some slight hardware differences, but they're all covered by the rockbox code. I suspect a timing issue somewhere |
| 22:02:45 | miner49er | Okay, so that shouldn't have any effect on this problem ? |
| 22:03:37 | amiconn | Or maybe some unusual/unexpected data in the CSD register or somesuch. It'll basically require going though the card init, checking where it breaks, and then why it breaks |
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| 22:04:30 | miner49er | So do you have some physical tool to hardware debug this or could I do ? |
| 22:05:31 | amiconn | There is no hardware tool that would be helpful with this kind of problem. It's basically plastering the driver code with debug output (to the LCD) |
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| 22:06:58 | miner49er | Hmm, I feel that I would like to look at this on one hand but on the other hand I know I won't get 'round to it...I dunno how I ever got 'round to doing those games... |
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| 22:08:55 | amiconn | Generally, we could use gdb on the archoses (via serial), but not for debugging MMC issues |
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| 22:23:07 | amiconn | Bah, wps bug |
| 22:33:28 | amiconn | fs#9360 |
| 22:39:47 | amiconn | Hmm, flyspray "Player type" isn't always sufficient |
| 22:39:59 | * | amiconn wants to report a bug for all colour targets |
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| 22:43:03 | bertrik | amiconn, I ran into a very similar bug before |
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| 22:43:56 | jgsprenger | hello channel |
| 22:43:58 | pixelma | bertrik: the statusbar one? I also found a similar one with the progressbar today but I'm not sure how similar that is |
| 22:44:00 | jgsprenger | question? |
| 22:44:09 | gevaerts | where? |
| 22:44:40 | jgsprenger | WMA decoder appear to be broken... |
| 22:44:55 | linuxstb | Since when? |
| 22:45:27 | jgsprenger | using current builds of RB on e280.... now *.wma sound sssslllllow |
| 22:45:47 | linuxstb | Yes, but since when? i.e. did the same files work in the past? |
| 22:45:56 | jgsprenger | using native firmware... no prob |
| 22:46:19 | jgsprenger | most of my files are mp3... so i dont know when it got broke |
| 22:46:41 | linuxstb | So they did work in the past? Or you don't know if they ever worked in Rockbox? |
| 22:46:42 | jgsprenger | seems to be around early aug 2008 |
| 22:46:55 | jgsprenger | yep they worked with previous versions |
| 22:47:44 | jgsprenger | i've been looking for a older version of RB maybe from march 08....to see if it will work |
| 22:47:58 | bertrik | amiconn, yes with the statusbar, it caused the wps to shift down: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9203 |
| 22:48:40 | jgsprenger | older build rather |
| 22:49:25 | amiconn | bertrik: That seems to be slightly different (and should be fixed...) |
| 22:49:43 | * | amiconn also added fs#9361 |
| 22:49:45 | jgsprenger | anyone have a link to older builds? |
| 22:49:58 | BigBambi | jgsprenger: the couple of wma I have here seem to work fine |
| 22:50:03 | linuxstb | jgsprenger: Do you see any here? http://download.rockbox.org/daily/sansae200/ |
| 22:50:17 | BigBambi | jgsprenger: What bitrate etc? |
| 22:50:20 | jgsprenger | tried thru early aug |
| 22:50:33 | linuxstb | Some of the download mirrors keep older versions around (although I'm not sure if they still do, or how to access a specific mirror....) |
| 22:50:34 | jgsprenger | i'll check |
| 22:51:14 | jgsprenger | 32kbps |
| 22:51:45 | jgsprenger | i've been stumped on this for a few weeks |
| 22:53:07 | BigBambi | What frequency? |
| 22:54:07 | jgsprenger | BigBambi: maybe a dumb question... but how do i find freq? |
| 22:54:52 | BigBambi | Show file info from the WPS context menu in Rockbox should tell you - if not, many PC programs will, but where depends on them |
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| 22:55:26 | BigBambi | But if it is playing wrongly, I don' know if maybe that might be reported wrong in RB? |
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| 22:58:16 | linuxstb | jgsprenger: Can you upload one of these wma files somewhere? |
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| 23:01:48 | jgsprenger | linuxstb: sure... any place in particular? |
| 23:02:06 | linuxstb | Anywhere accessible on the internet... |
| 23:04:37 | jgsprenger | i'm not so savvy when it comes to that kind of stuff... |
| 23:04:48 | jgsprenger | suggestions? |
| 23:05:48 | linuxstb | I have my own webspace I use for this kind of thing, so I'm not sure... Anyone? |
| 23:06:10 | stuart | This here: http://www.wikiupload.com/ |
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| 23:07:11 | bertrik | filebin? |
| 23:07:45 | jgsprenger | i have a 4.2 MByte chunk i can email...will that work? |
| 23:07:56 | linuxstb | That wikiupload.com site seems fine. |
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| 23:23:25 | jgsprenger | http://www.wikiupload.com/download_page.php?id=57107 |
| 23:23:35 | jgsprenger | see if it works |
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| 23:27:00 | * | bluebrother still thinks that the library building for the wps editor shouldn't be done using an external script, especially not two external scripts |
| 23:27:10 | bluebrother | there will almost always be one outdated ... |
| 23:27:21 | * | Bagder agrees |
| 23:27:33 | Bagder | someone should make it a proper makefile solution |
| 23:27:56 | bluebrother | I'd do that, but I currently don't have much time −− RL is sucking almost all of my free time |
| 23:28:00 | * | linuxstb spots someone copying his checkwps hacks... |
| 23:28:19 | * | bluebrother dislikes he can't comment on the FS task anymore |
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| 23:28:45 | linuxstb | bluebrother: You could re-open it... |
| 23:28:53 | Bagder | or create a new bug report |
| 23:28:59 | bluebrother | true, but it already has been accepted. |
| 23:29:03 | Llorean | So bug report! |
| 23:29:18 | * | bluebrother stresses again his dislike against half-baked solutions |
| 23:29:20 | linuxstb | unaccept it if it's unacceptable... |
| 23:29:45 | Bagder | bluebrother: early commit isn't necessarily half-baked |
| 23:29:59 | Llorean | It's not like we're providing binaries of it yet. |
| 23:30:18 | Bagder | I think working _within_ svn is often better than with patches outside of it |
| 23:30:40 | * | gevaerts points out that it's unfair to blame wpseditor for copying a mechanism used somewhere else in svn |
| 23:31:18 | bluebrother | Bagder: true, but a solution that is doomed to cause problems isn't something that should get committed imo |
| 23:31:37 | Bagder | I disagree with that actually |
| 23:31:48 | Bagder | if that's the best we have atm, I think commit is the right thing |
| 23:31:50 | bluebrother | feel free to do so ;-) |
| 23:31:51 | Llorean | If it's doomed to cause problems, but allows further development/testing at the moment, I think it's acceptable. |
| 23:32:10 | Bagder | but of course, we should always strive at fixing the bad things |
| 23:32:17 | linuxstb | bluebrother: So what's the actual problem? The fact that it's using a script, or that fact that there's a .sh and a bat versions? |
| 23:32:49 | bluebrother | linuxstb: the latter. |
| 23:33:12 | jgsprenger | anyone get the same issues with the wma i uploaded? |
| 23:33:18 | linuxstb | I wouldn't call that a problem. |
| 23:33:20 | BigBambi | yes |
| 23:33:27 | bluebrother | besides, there aren't bat scripts anymore. Since w2k (or even nt4?) it's cmd. |
| 23:33:29 | BigBambi | @ jgsprenger |
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| 23:33:39 | BigBambi | jgsprenger: You aren't imagining it :) |
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| 23:34:20 | jgsprenger | any ideas?> |
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| 23:34:34 | linuxstb | jgsprenger: Yes, the Rockbox wma decoder is broken... ;) |
| 23:35:15 | BigBambi | jgsprenger: What would be incredibly useful would be tracking down the change that caused it |
| 23:35:43 | linuxstb | Bagder: Do you know the URLs (if there are any) to access specific download server mirrors? |
| 23:35:48 | jgsprenger | yep.... thats why i tried to get different builds |
| 23:35:54 | Bagder | hang on |
| 23:36:17 | BigBambi | jgsprenger: If it was more than a month ago, you really need to be able to build them |
| 23:36:25 | linuxstb | BigBambi: hang on... |
| 23:36:36 | bluebrother | well, maybe I'm a bit too negatively influenced by how stuff works at work. But usually such solutions only get worked around for much too long |
| 23:36:40 | jgsprenger | there was an this fix mid august |
| 23:36:41 | jgsprenger | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9285 |
| 23:36:56 | Bagder | positive.rockbox.org, videolan.rockbox.org and tbrntech.rockbox.org |
| 23:36:59 | bluebrother | urgh, "cp *.dll" in a shell script ... how should that run on windows? |
| 23:37:07 | gevaerts | cygwin? |
| 23:37:28 | linuxstb | jgsprenger: There you go - builds going back to 2007 - http://tbrntech.rockbox.org/daily/sansae200/ |
| 23:37:33 | linuxstb | Bagder: Thanks. |
| 23:37:38 | jgsprenger | yikes |
| 23:37:53 | BigBambi | ah, so there are benefits to old mirrors :) |
| 23:37:55 | jgsprenger | i dont know how to build.... |
| 23:38:02 | BigBambi | you don't need to |
| 23:38:09 | jgsprenger | ah |
| 23:38:12 | jgsprenger | i see now |
| 23:38:15 | BigBambi | the link linuxstb gave are old builds |
| 23:38:46 | jgsprenger | muchos gracias |
| 23:39:10 | linuxstb | de nada |
| 23:39:15 | jgsprenger | i will test later tonight to see where it got broke.... |
| 23:39:22 | jgsprenger | thanks all! |
| 23:39:23 | BigBambi | jgsprenger: Thanks :) |
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| 23:42:29 | LambdaCalculus37 | Gentlemen (and ladies), I am prepared to make an attempt to find a DFU mode on the 2nd gen iPod nano. |
| 23:42:56 | Llorean | LambdaCalculus37: Does this mean you have one? |
| 23:43:10 | LambdaCalculus37 | Llorean: Yep. |
| 23:43:15 | BigBambi | LambdaCalculus37: Got your washing machine ready? |
| 23:43:17 | * | Llorean has a semi-broken 2G Nano he is willing to send to another dev interested in pursuing this. |
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| 23:43:44 | LambdaCalculus37 | BigBambi: It's running a load of towels right now, so I can't use it. :) |
| 23:45:08 | pixelma | Llorean: semi-broken, how? |
| 23:45:58 | linuxstb | LambdaCalculus37: I would start with the obvious, and just trash the firmware partition (dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sdX1). When that doesn't work, try hard-resetting during a firmware upgrade... |
| 23:46:16 | Llorean | pixelma: It was a friends who asked me to see if I could recover it. If I recall it seems to get through the ROM, but won't actually boot all the way into the OF. |
| 23:46:39 | linuxstb | LambdaCalculus37: And before you start, make a note of the "lsusb -v" output |
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| 23:47:13 | LambdaCalculus37 | linuxstb: Right! Let me bring out the Linux laptop/ |
| 23:47:15 | Llorean | pixelma: I can get USB mode, but can't fix the "use itunes to restore" message |
| 23:47:20 | gevaerts | LambdaCalculus37: run lsusb as root. Otherwise it doesn't always show all devices |
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| 23:48:52 | * | LambdaCalculus37 brings out the Linux laptop |
| 23:51:07 | * | JdGordon wonders why krz isnt doing his own commits for the wpseditor yet |
| 23:52:05 | * | LambdaCalculus37 is going to switch from his brother's laptop to his Mac |
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| 23:53:40 | linuxstb | JdGordon: There's a mailing list for wondering (and fixing) that... |
| 23:54:50 | JdGordon | and while we are sort of on the subject... how did midgeys gsoc go? |
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| 23:56:51 | linuxstb | He passed. I think Bagder said he's doing some more work before committing (committing was delayed due to feature freeze) |
| 23:57:02 | JdGordon | ah ok |
| 23:57:16 | * | Bagder confirms |
| 23:57:44 | LambdaCalculus37 | linuxstb: Got the lsusb -v output. Going to pastebun it now. |
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| 23:59:11 | linuxstb | LambdaCalculus37: I would also backup the firmware partition (dd if=/dev/sdX1 of=backup.bin) and the MBR (dd if=/dev/sdX of=mbr.bin count=1) |
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