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#rockbox log for 2008-09-05

00:01:34mcuelenaerebluebrother: gevaerts said something about that a bit earlier, check the logs
00:01:39pixelmaNico_P: hope you keep (or get back) the functionality of the %mm as still explained in the CustomWPS page. Of course it's more important to fix the crashing first
00:01:52mcuelenaerebluebrother: around 21:50:30
00:01:58mcuelenaereor at
00:02:00Nico_Ppixelma: there should be no behaviour change
00:02:34Nico_Pthough the result of plain %mm will be 1-based...
00:03:11pixelmaok, just checking as I experienced the crash too recently when I used it for a simple test WPS
00:04:12pixelmaI don't care much whether it is 0 based or 1 based if it is documented correctly then
00:05:04pixelmathough that's only my first reaction on this :)
00:05:11bluebrothermcuelenaere: will check
00:08:05Nico_Ppixelma: fixed
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00:10:03Nico_PI'm having weird things going on with svn, so I won't do the backport yet
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00:11:10bluebrotherhas anything more detailed been planned for 3.0? Especially planned release dates?
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00:12:19rasherbluebrother: I suggested the 8th, but maybe 15th is more realistic (to give people the weekend to do fixups)
00:12:49gevaertsI think we need at least daily RC builds
00:13:20gevaertsAn svn branch that nobody tests is not going to be very well tested
00:13:26bluebrotherwell, I wanted to rewrite the installation section for the manual and finish some stuff on rbutil −− but unfortunately my time is even more limited these days :/
00:13:32*bluebrother agrees with gevaerts
00:22:03*rasher is fairly satisfied with his 20px high version of Snap
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00:24:15rasheramiconn: bdf2bmp still doesn't appear to work for me. The resulting bitmap is at least not accepted by imagemagick
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00:27:08amiconnWell, it does work for me now, both in windows image & fax viewer and in "eye of gnome"
00:28:17rasherStill not working here
00:28:22rasheroh wait
00:28:44rasherMaybe I should make bdf2bmp..
00:29:07amiconncmp says the file is binary identical to the one created by a cygwin executable of bdf2bmp
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00:29:45rasherWell I already admitted the errors of my ways :)
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00:55:55Lars_Gthank you rockbox, you rock
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02:25:46mcuelenaerewpyh (logs): I was able to do an excellent dump of the VX767 LCD init
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02:35:07allelehow are bmps that are converted to .h files stored? is it just an array that holds each row of pixels continuously?
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02:49:19mcuelenaereallele: my best guess would be they're converted to the LCD's native format in an 2-dimensional array like arr[WIDTH][HEIGHT]
02:49:41mcuelenaereprobably of the type fbdata
02:49:54mcuelenaere(which is on most targets short I think)
02:50:03allelemcuelenaere: that's what I thought, but it looks like a single dimensional array of shorts in the build folder
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02:50:13alleleunless I'm just looking at it wrong
02:50:18mcuelenaerethen perhaps they just did arr[WIDTH*HEIGHT]
02:50:28mcuelenaeredoesn't really matter
02:50:43mcuelenaereit's all converted to pointers eventually..
02:51:40allelewhile I'm here, what happens if the bitmap function is used with a width or height taller or shorter than the bitmap's size?
02:52:29mcuelenaereI wouldn't know
02:52:56allelefair enough, thanks for the help
02:52:56mcuelenaeretry asking your questions again at an hour which is in Europe not at night
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03:07:01SoapOk, so the bloody H10 MTP can be "tricked" into UMS mode. I have version 1.0.0 of the OF. Does anyone know if I could install a UMS version of the OF?
03:10:07_empI have a working port built for openBSD that I put out for others to test. I was only able to test iPod 1st gen nano on an amd64, so I'm not sure about the rest of the mp3 players or different platforms. Be cool to see what platforms rbutilqt will run on. So now, I'm just trying to figure out what part of the tree to hack on.
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03:25:02SoapAnother idiot question - I need to do an entire parallel checkout for the v3_0 branch?
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03:42:19LloreanSoap: I think whether you can install a UMS firmware depends on which model H10 you have, but I'm not sure.
03:42:24LloreanAs for the 3.0 thing, I think so yes.
03:44:16alleleLlorean: would I be able to access the values of specific pixels in a native bitmap using the array's bitmap and the x and y coordinates?
03:45:26LloreanDo you mean the bitmap's array?
03:51:27LloreanI believe it should be possible, but you have to be aware of the pixel format. Not every screen will natively be using 16bpp
03:53:41allelealrighty, that'll work for now. Thanks :D
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04:22:30binaryhermiterm, sorry about that
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04:58:46kushal_12_27_200What themes are available for the Sansa c250?
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05:02:25advcomp2019there is a wiki page for them.. i would need to look for it again
05:05:09advcomp2019kushal_12_27_200, here is the wiki page:
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05:23:34kushal_12_27_200My Interner connection is working but rbutilqt 1.0.6b (Intel mac) is not pulling the theme list from your servers
05:25:10Soapthat is because the (third party) theme site is down. Which is really ok. 99% (only a slight exaggeration) of the themes on it are broken. You should look at the wiki theme page for your player - you will have a better chance of finding a working one (assuming you are unwilling to jump right in to fixing some of the recently broken themes).
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05:26:08kushal_12_27_200I wish I could but I am not quialified enough to do so :(
05:27:35Soapactually, with a very short amount of effort you would be - but I don't blame you. Still - the wiki gallery for your player is your best bet.
05:28:29advcomp2019and i provided the page for the wiki too
05:30:42kushal_12_27_200thanks. I am just too bogged down with classes and all right now ... Sorry if I sounded rude
05:30:52kushal_12_27_200I did not mean to be
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07:14:27MakuseruHi, quick question about editing WPS's. I have one that i really like, i would just like to move the two horizontal bars that move with the output volume (im not sure what they are actually called) right now they are in the middle of the screen, and I would like to move them to the bottom, how would i do this? what would i have to edit in the WPS to move them?
07:18:17ChrononIt's the %pm tag.
07:20:23Chrononare called peak meters
07:26:51Makuseruah, alright
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07:55:26_empwhat is rbutil's current version number?
07:59:39Chronon_emp: 1.0.6
08:00:09_empchroon, thanks
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08:11:54_empchronon, now, I just have to figure out why I am getting core dumps on failed connections to the themes
08:15:36advcomp2019_emp, the theme site that it uses is down right now
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08:17:06_empadvcomp2019, thanks
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11:03:41JonseYthere is someone who can help me with Vision M?
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11:04:23JonseYHi Makuseru
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11:05:11B4gderJonseY: I'd guess the forum thread is your best shot
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11:07:36JonseYi've read the latest post in the topic
11:07:53JonseYand i was reading the installation guide in wiki
11:08:04JonseYbut i don't know what is ZVM bootloader file
11:10:04JonseYwhat's ZVM bootloader file?
11:10:46BigBambiJonseY: The ZVM is still under development, and very few people outside of those working on it in that thread have one or know how to use it
11:11:03BigBambiHopefully one of them will see your question in here and know the answer
11:11:44B4gderJonseY: I'd guess the forum thread is your best shot
11:11:44JonseY...mmmm so is impossible for me to use the rockbox firmware on my ZVM?
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11:11:55B4gderso _ask_ in that thread perhaps?
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11:12:35BigBambiAt the moment, I would say it is only suitable for developers
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11:14:49BigBambiIt looks like a lot of excellent progress has been made (, and when the developers feel that it is ready for general users it shall be offered for download on along with a manual etc
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11:16:05JonseYthanks Bambi
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11:16:57JonseYin %...what is the work that is necessary for the creation of a general user firmware?!
11:17:10BigBambiI don't know
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11:17:22BigBambiBut even the devs probably would have a hard time telling you that
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11:17:49BigBambiThere may be one thing to do that seems simple, but turns out taking forever, or it could be something that looks hard but is done quickly
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11:18:12BigBambiIt really is impossible to tell in this sort of thing, hence the lack of ETAs anywhere
11:18:34B4gdercould be a day, could be two years, could be three weeks, could be never
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11:19:39BigBambiFor instance, whilst it looks like the ATA driver for the ZVM is done, the filesystem it uses isn't figured out
11:19:45JonseYdo you have the rockboxon your player?
11:20:03JonseYwhat is your player?
11:20:30*GodEater waits for BigBambi to reel off the list
11:20:43*B4gder times it
11:20:43BigBambiGigabeat S120, gigabeat F60, iriver H140, sansa e240, sansa c250 and an ATMT
11:21:41GodEaterBigBambi: isn't that last one something Stormtroopers arrive in ? :)
11:21:46BigBambiI took a while trying to remember the model number of the ATMT thing, then gave up as it a) doesn't run Rockbox and b) I cocked up the soldering to make it boot from USB to test RB and now it only boots from USB
11:22:12BigBambiGodEater: It is a fat and ugly thing, yes. I reckon a couple of the empire's finest could fit inside :)
11:23:25GodEateryou mean (surely) a couple of the Empire's Cannonfodder ?
11:23:43BigBambiI was trying to spare their feelings!
11:25:48GodEaterah - very nice of you
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12:12:22markunhi funman
12:13:32funmanI just discovered the .thumb_func attribute, isn't that automatic when we use .code 16 ?
12:14:54funmani'm converting my code to thumb to make it take less space
12:15:10markunrockbox code?
12:15:13funmanbut I got weird behaviour
12:15:24funmanmarkun: we are trying to write a bootloader for sansav2
12:16:24markunah, cool
12:17:03markunand who's "we" in this case?
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12:17:25funmanme and people who follow the forum thread
12:17:35funmanbut we are 2 who write asm at the moment
12:18:23markungevaerts: what do you think is the next thing we could try with the meizu?
12:18:24funmanI converted a simple function (sleep) to thumb but my code hasn't the same effect than in 32 bits, although disassembly looks fine :(
12:18:53markunand the bootloader must be thumb?
12:18:59funmanI branch with blx (exchange to thumb) and back with bx lr (address is aligned so we return to arm)
12:19:16funmanno, but we are limited by the size so it'd be wise to compact the code
12:19:49markunI haven't really played with thumb, I hope someone else can help you out
12:20:32funman I paste the code if someone wanna have a look
12:21:44funmanI compare to a too big value
12:22:04funmanin thumb the immediate operand to cmp is 8 bits
12:25:19funmanso a sleep is better served with arm
12:28:42dionoeahey funman !
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12:29:21gevaertsmarkun: real drivers I'd say :) LCD, buttons and USB (shared with the tcc targets, so it can actually be done early)
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12:33:58dionoeafunman: I bough a clip (4GB) for my sister's birthday! Maybe I'll have the opportunity to brick it :)
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12:52:22mcuelenaerewpyh (logs): the VirtualMIPS guy responded:
12:52:44mcuelenaerebut I'm afraid his solution is of not much use to us :(
12:59:25mcuelenaerewpyh: this is what's in the datasheet:
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13:44:31LambdaCalculus37I'm currently fixing up the manual to give the iPod 1G/2G and the iPod 3G proper descriptions for blind users.
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14:29:30LambdaCalculus37My manual patch is done; its FS #9367.
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14:33:54LambdaCalculus37I added descriptions for the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd gen iPods, and fixed some bugs on the nano and c200 descriptions.
14:41:12fun1st stage sansav2 bootloader in 140bytes :)
14:41:27funstage2 will need to read from the nand
14:41:42LambdaCalculus37Yay! :)
14:41:47funwe'll fit it where we have more room for code
14:43:34LambdaCalculus37Good luck! ;)
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15:15:04dionoeaany wps parser code guru here? I have a question about the wps_tag.parse_func function. Can it output a string to the wps? or is that limited to tokens in gwps.c?
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15:20:58Nico_Pdionoea: you could add a string, yes
15:21:51dionoeaI'm currently doing this: validate parsing and store an index number in the wps_token struct (->value.i). And then I process that value and display the appropriate info in gwps-common.c
15:22:00dionoeaSeems to be the standard way of doing it
15:22:07dionoeas/display/render to a string/
15:22:13dionoeaBut I wasn't sure
15:22:36Nico_PIIRC for a token string, value has a pointer to it
15:22:49dionoeaNext question I have is about settings. Where is the setting's value stored in the settings_list struct? in the default_val member?
15:22:51Nico_Pand the chars are stored in the string buffer
15:23:17dionoeaok, thanks for the info. I'm still kind of new at hacking wps code
15:23:43Nico_Perr, I think that to get the current value of a setting, you need to use global_settings.<setting name>
15:24:00Nico_Pdionoea: you're welcome. I'm glad to help
15:24:45dionoeahum, I have setting name as a string :/
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15:26:30dionoeawhere is the settings_list stuff mapped to global_settings?
15:26:52Nico_Pthat I don't know... JdGordon probably would
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15:27:40LambdaCalculus37dionoea: He may be asleep by now.
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15:29:07dionoeamight be the void *setting member in settings_list. I'll check the macros
15:29:29dionoeayup, that looks correct :)
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15:56:55dionoeayay, it works :)
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16:07:06Nico_Pdionoea: cool :)
16:08:28dionoeaThis is it btw:
16:09:55*domonoky detects that, if our wpsparser detects a error on a line, its always one line too late.. (ie error is on line 25, but wpsparser says line 26). Does somebody know why ?
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16:28:24krz_Nico_P: hi
16:29:26domonokyNico_P: in wps_parser (parse_progressbar) line 880. ie: return skip_end_of_line(wps_bufptr)-1; why is there a -1 ?
16:30:27domonokythis -1 causes the wrong error line. krz found this.
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16:32:36Nico_Pdomonoky: JdGordon wrote that part I think
16:33:29Nico_Pthere are only two times where there's a -1
16:33:52domonokyjup, svn blame says it was Jdgordon
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16:35:33mcuelenaerewpyh (logs): I RE the VX767 LCD init and it is similar to the VX747
16:35:43mcuelenaereyou will have to find out what the LCD controller is though
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16:53:42markunmcuelenaere: can you post the init sequence somewhere?
16:54:01mcuelenaereonda vx767?
16:54:20markunyes, maybe someone else recognizes something
16:54:52mcuelenaereI'm busy with it, I'll commit it later
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17:10:43mcuelenaeremarkun: committed
17:11:47keenoxhello... can anyone help me compile the bootloader build of rockbox?
17:11:59keenoxi'm not very keen on linux
17:12:36BigBambiFor what player?
17:12:49BigBambiAnd are you on linux, or using the VMWare image, or....
17:12:49keenoxfor cowon d2
17:12:58keenoxi know it's not supported
17:13:06keenoxim using the vmware image
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17:13:15BigBambiSo what is the error you are getting?
17:13:32markunmcuelenaere: but.. it was reverted because it was not the right fix. Or did you change something?
17:13:33keenoxi get no error... i don't know how to start
17:13:34*GodEater didn't think the D2 was in a usable state yet
17:13:40LambdaCalculus37Use pastebin if need be:
17:13:49mcuelenaeremarkun: I meant the VX767 tree ;)
17:13:54markunah :)
17:14:21BigBambiGodEater: I don't think it is either, but...
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17:15:34keenoxthanks, BigBambi
17:16:01BigBambino problem
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17:17:45keenoxis there any file browser in this distro?
17:18:04BigBambiI don't know
17:18:09LambdaCalculus37keenox: Not sure.
17:18:16*LambdaCalculus37 was too slow ;)
17:18:23mcuelenaerewpyh (logs): I need you and your VX767 to add the correct GPIO->button mappings..
17:18:24BigBambiIt is cut down to provide what is needed but still be a not enormous download
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17:18:47BigBambikeenox: You can browse it from Windows over the network
17:18:50GodEaterI can't imagine why you'd need one anyway
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17:19:04keenoxhmm... it's 2 gigs
17:19:14BigBambiNot to download
17:19:24BigBambiAnd it would be even bigger with extra stuff
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17:19:45keenoxi mounted a real partition
17:20:01keenoxin vmware
17:20:13BigBambiI still don't know what that means
17:20:18keenoxi must go for 30 min...
17:20:24keenoxwill you still be here?
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17:20:36BigBambiI don't know, but if not others will be
17:21:10BigBambiProbably not, it is nearly time to go home from work so I can stop wasting time here :)
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17:22:15LambdaCalculus37keenox: When you get back, just mention what you want and someone should see it and answer you.
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17:22:33LambdaCalculus37If you're lucky, you may be able to get ahold of shotofadds.
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17:26:26gevaertsmarkun: if your meizu_dfu fixes work well, can you commit them?
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17:32:47pikkoyoulhi everybody :)
17:33:01pikkoyoulhave a big problem with my ipod and rockbox...
17:33:11pikkoyouland till now i couldnt find a solution
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17:33:33pikkoyoultoday i bought a xtrememac luna ipod docking station with integrated alarm
17:33:44pikkoyoulwith this thing comes a remote control
17:34:09pikkoyoulwith which you should be able to control the ipod :pause, forward etc.
17:34:21pikkoyoulbut: with the rockbox firmware nothing happens
17:34:39pikkoyoulalso the ipod doesnt "wake up" when it should (alarm)
17:34:49pikkoyoulis there a solution for that kind of docking stations?
17:34:50LambdaCalculus37That's expected.
17:35:06LambdaCalculus37Some accessories that use the dock connector may or may not work with Rockbox.
17:35:09LambdaCalculus37Let me show you a page.
17:35:16pikkoyoulsound is working fine
17:35:31pikkoyoulbut it seems that the dock isnt able to control the ipod
17:35:38LambdaCalculus37Here, check this page out:
17:35:41BigBambipikkoyoul: Line out works, but the Apple Accesory Protocol is not yet implemented
17:35:49pikkoyoulah ok
17:35:57pikkoyoulthats what i was looking for :)
17:36:03pikkoyoulapple accesory protocol
17:36:04LambdaCalculus37There's a patch for that here:
17:36:05pikkoyouli see .
17:36:13BigBambiThere is a patch that starts to support it
17:36:19pikkoyoulnice one!
17:36:25BigBambiSee LambdaCalculus37's link
17:36:34pikkoyoulthat would be awesome
17:36:53BigBambiIt will require you to patch then build to use it, and may not cover the functions your dock uses, but it might be worth a try
17:37:25LambdaCalculus37You can always report success and failure on the wiki page I gave you before.
17:37:55pikkoyoulonly one problem left: how to patch it :) ?
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17:38:37LambdaCalculus37You'll have to set up the development environment.
17:38:51BigBambiAlthough didn't Soap provide unsupported builds with this in?
17:39:01LambdaCalculus37BigBambi: He still is IIRC.
17:39:06LambdaCalculus37Let me look at the forums.
17:39:25LambdaCalculus37He still is:
17:40:08BigBambipikkoyoul: You can try builds from the forum thread LambdaCalculus37 linked, no need to build and patch
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17:42:17pikkoyoulthanks a lot guys :)
17:42:27LambdaCalculus37No problem. :)
17:42:31pikkoyouleverytime i come here i get help within a minute
17:42:47pikkoyouli wish there was a rockbox build for the new ipod nanos
17:42:53LambdaCalculus37Just remember, though... since the build I linked to is unsupported, you're going to have to direct questions to the forum thread.
17:42:55pikkoyoulthen i would have 4 or 5 of them
17:45:02gevaertsjust get to work then ;)
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17:53:33pikkoyoulgreat thing
17:53:37pikkoyoulthe plug in works fine
17:53:47BigBambiexcellent :)
17:53:49pikkoyoulnow i can stop and pause and forward
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17:57:28pikkoyouleven the alarm works now
17:57:37pikkoyoulthe ipod is started automatically
17:57:41pikkoyoulthat really works fine
17:57:48pikkoyoulany chance to implement that in every build?
17:57:52pikkoyoulcause it is very useful
17:58:18BigBambipikkoyoul: That is the aim, but I don't think it is finished
17:59:22BigBambiI'm not sure though - the dev who wrote it is very busy, I think he'd appreciate some help :)
17:59:50pikkoyoulif i could i woul d:)
18:00:06LambdaCalculus37You can at least give feedback. ;)
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18:00:30pikkoyoulhave to register first
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18:03:56markungevaerts: I'll let you first take a look at them, but I have put my laptop away and forgot to copy the file
18:04:06markunI'll do it tonight
18:07:04pikkoyoulthanks a lot, again! bye
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18:49:10svpehello, is there any more information available on the current creative zen status/progress that is not listed on the wiki page?
18:49:40LambdaCalculus37The forum thread related to the Zen:
18:50:27svpeuhm.. that's about the zen _vision_ m, isn't it? or do both player have a similar harware/firmware?
18:50:47LambdaCalculus37Are you talking about the newer, flash-based Zen?
18:51:13svpe <−− yes, i'm talking about that thing
18:51:22LambdaCalculus37Ah, then this is the thread you want:
18:51:43svpeok, thanks. i didn't even notice that there was a forum :-)
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18:56:43svpeah nice, a arm core and a recovery mode and utils that seem work on the firmware. you don't happen to know how zeroth managed to get the player to accept the 'signed firmware'?
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19:15:06BigBambiJorsik: Do *NOT* spam again
19:17:59Jorsikits a funny picture
19:18:30Jorsikbut yes, programmers dont have a sense of humour, sorry
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19:22:45rasherJorsik: This channel is for Rockbox talk. Do not pollute it with anything else. There's #rockbox-community for that.
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19:29:54PaulJamI just noticed that AAC performance has nicely improved on coldfire. thanks for that!
19:32:54Soapsaratoga is doing his part to fight global warming by reducing DAP energy consumption.
19:33:13LambdaCalculus37AAC performance has also improved on PP targets, too. :)
19:33:32SoapIf / when the dual-core MP3 work goes in it will have a dramatic effect on the amount of coal burned.
19:33:35massiveHglobal warming being fought across the targets == more overall power savings
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19:35:20LambdaCalculus37That's good! ;)
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19:38:09fmlNico_P: hello. I like your patch much more than mine (re FS #9350)
19:38:45fmldionoea: ping
19:43:33*amiconn still wants a non-crappy resampler :\
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19:45:37amiconnThe project news are in need of an update. Branch-and-unfreeze aren't mentioned yet
19:46:07rasherCan't anyone do that?
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19:48:01*n1s wants new ipod bootloaders/ipodpatcher built and tested before the release to close FS #8901 but has no ipod to test on...
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19:50:08*LambdaCalculus37 doesn't have a CF-modded iPod to help test FS #8901 on
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19:56:26n1sLambdaCalculus37: I was more thinking that we just build and test new ones on regular hd ipods and hope they work on cf modded ones if we can't get any testers as the FS task says the svn version works, and we know that the official one doesn't
19:59:11*amiconn doesn't understand what the problem is with fs #8901
19:59:45amiconnThe current official bootloaders won't work with cf-modded ipods. Bootloaders built from current svn will
19:59:53LambdaCalculus37Anyone want to commit FS #9367 for me?
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20:01:13n1samiconn: and therefore i think we should release new bootloaders for ipods with the release, but i can't test on any ipod so someone has to do that
20:01:34amiconnOf course we need to do that
20:01:53LambdaCalculus37I'll try it on my 2nd gen iPod.
20:01:53amiconnAlso for all the other targets, unless we state specifically that CF mods ar unsupported
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20:02:37amiconnThis applies to *all* targets using the ata driver, i.e. even the disk-based archoses
20:03:00amiconn(where we would also need to provide new flash images containing a cf-capable bootbox)
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20:03:46n1show about gigabeat?
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20:04:46n1sah, yes that too
20:05:26n1sok, so I'll build a big bunch of bootloaders from the branch and attatch them to that task and hope people will test?
20:06:10LambdaCalculus37Sounds like a plan. :)
20:07:19amiconnTesting bootloaders on ipods and iaudios isn't dangerous at all
20:07:27n1sso all ipods except nano, gigabeat f, iaudio [mx]5 m3
20:07:46amiconnH1x0/ H300 are the trickiest ones
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20:08:03n1syep, I'm not going to sacrifice my h300
20:08:19amiconnn1s: Plus Archos player and recorders
20:08:41n1sbootbox, right?
20:08:47amiconnTesting bootbox loaded from disk is trivial (just rolo).
20:09:08amiconnMaking a flash image and testing it is somewhat more involved (as is the recovery should something go wrong)
20:09:42amiconnYou can also flash bootbox as an .ucl, testing how it works when loaded from flash
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20:09:48amiconnIt then loads rockbox from disk
20:10:28keenoxwhat can i do if i get "permission denied" when trying to configure rockbox?
20:10:58keenoxi'm using the vmware image
20:11:21amiconnn1s: Btw, nano bootloader should also be updated
20:12:23amiconnThis is because the nano now also runs the proper fix instead of the hackaround
20:12:38keenoxcould you please help me?
20:13:31*amiconn thinks that all bootloaders should probably be updated with the release, since there were numerous other fixes in code that goes into the bootloader (e.g. in the FAT code)
20:13:48n1samiconn: ok, I'll include it too
20:13:54gevaertskeenox: what exactly are you doing?
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20:14:17keenoxi'm trying to buld rockbox for cowon d2
20:14:38keenoxand now i'm configuring the build
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20:15:18gevaertsas in ../tools/configure?
20:16:01keenoxyes... i created a folder and executed ../tools/configure from it
20:16:42LambdaCalculus37And what's happening?
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20:17:23keenoxand i get "permission denied"
20:17:51keenoxi'm on root
20:18:18gevaertsIs this vmware, linux or cygwin?
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20:18:43LambdaCalculus37So you're getting "permission denied" from launching ../tools/configure?
20:20:05gevaertsHow did you get the source tree?
20:20:17keenoxi unzipped it
20:20:26keenoxfrom the .7z file
20:20:41gevaertsin linux (in vmware), or in windows?
20:21:11keenoxi unzipped it in windows and then copied it in linux on the virtual drive
20:21:19gevaertsok, that's the problem then
20:21:28gevaertsall permissions will be wrong
20:21:35keenoxso i should unzip it in linux?
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20:21:42rasherYou should use SVN, really
20:21:59rasherIt's better in pretty much every possible way
20:22:20gevaerts(except first download speed)
20:22:59amiconnn1s: Oh, btw, even when restrictuing the test to ata targets, you forgot small & big H10 and the mr100
20:23:40n1sright, btw is there any difference in the x5 and x5v bootloaders or just the filename?
20:24:06amiconnAfaik it's the filename plus header
20:24:11amiconnThe code itself is the same
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20:25:13n1sconfigure only lets me select "x5/x5v/x5l" ...
20:26:43LambdaCalculus37AFAIK the only differences are that the X5V lacks the FM radio.
20:27:00amiconnIirc the "scrambling" of the bootlader is a separate step for iaudios
20:27:37amiconn(there's no real scrambling going on, it just tacks on a header)
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20:31:04amiconnLambdaCalculus37: That, and the cowon loader looks for a different firmware file for flashing
20:32:00amiconnThis is so that a user doesn't flash an X5 fw to an X5V or vice versa
20:32:21amiconn(by accident, that is - doing it on purpose isn't very difficult)
20:32:48amiconnFor rockbox it doesn't matter since rockbox autodetects the radio
20:33:14toffe82Who would like to have a sa9200 for free to continue the port of rockbox ? you will just have to buy a cable (around 20$)
20:34:11gevaertsIs that the e200 lookalike?
20:35:54keenoxhow can i unzip the rockbox archive in linux if the daily cmd doesn't work?
20:37:24bertrikwhat is still missing on the sa9200 port?
20:37:32rasherkeenox: the daily cmd?
20:38:09toffe82on the sa9200 missing the touchpad
20:38:40LambdaCalculus37toffe82: But everything else works, right?
20:38:46keenoxyes... in the simple guide it sais to use the 'daily' command
20:38:51toffe82so actually it just use the vol + - and power off to browse the option
20:39:02rasherkeenox: where is this?
20:39:04BigBambikeenox: I'll change that then - there is no daily command
20:39:10BigBambiI'm guessing it is an old alias
20:39:30toffe82LambdaCalculus37: looks like everything else is working
20:39:30keenoxso what should i use?
20:39:54BigBambikeenox: use svn
20:40:05BigBambirasher: looks like an old alias to un archive it
20:41:07keenoxi'm pretty lazy about configuring the network for vmware... :D
20:41:34BigBambiuse the svn instructions above those ones
20:41:43BigBambiAbove the ones you were just using that is
20:43:03keenoxno... i must configure the network for sharing the internet connection with vmware so that i have a connection in linux
20:46:06gevaertsLambdaCalculus37: is FS #9367 for trunk, release, or both?
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20:47:27LambdaCalculus37gevaerts: Should be for both.
20:48:18LambdaCalculus37It's for blind users of the 1G/2G/3G iPods.
20:48:48gevaertsI suspected that, but I wanted to make sure ;)
20:48:59LambdaCalculus37No problem. ;)
20:50:54gevaertsLambdaCalculus37: it doesn't build (at least for 3G)...
20:51:29LambdaCalculus37What about for 1G2G?
20:52:23gevaertssame thing
20:52:42*gevaerts looks for the problem
20:54:47*LambdaCalculus37 is a little bit puzzled...
20:55:12gevaertsButtonhold instead of ButtonHold
20:55:25LambdaCalculus37Oops. :P
20:55:39LambdaCalculus37Can you correct that?
20:55:48gevaertssure. Committed to trunk now
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20:55:53LambdaCalculus37Thanks. :)
20:56:27LambdaCalculus37That was a very silly typo.
20:58:09*LambdaCalculus37 will make sure to check a little more closely in the future
20:59:16gevaertsNow also in -3.0
21:00:08*gevaerts recommends test-building before making a patch or committing ;)
21:00:50markungevaerts: I'll work on reading the slider over SPI, ok?
21:01:00markunanything meizu related you are going to work on?
21:01:00gevaertsmarkun: go ahead!
21:01:19gevaertsI don't have specific plans yet
21:04:41markungevaerts: and did you manage to generate a rockboot.ebn file which could be flashed with meizu_dfu?
21:05:32gevaertsyes. Copy the first 32k from M6SL.ebn, add rockboot.ebn after that, append a5a5a5a55a5a5a5a three times, and fix up the header
21:06:39gevaertsThe header needs the total size at 0x24 and the rockboot.ebn size at 0x38 (in LE)
21:07:07gevaertsNo standalone flashable image yet
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21:14:17markungevaerts: and for the older models we even have to rar our image first with an older version or rar :(
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21:15:07gevaertsmarkun: aren't the first 8kb there the unrar bit? If so, that shouldn't be too hard to replace
21:15:21markunI hope so
21:15:40markunthe 1MB flash is more than enough for our bootloader
21:17:18LambdaCalculus37gevaerts: I will, don't worry. ;)
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21:32:44unknowni'm trying to find out where to get the bootloader image of the sansa view
21:32:56gevaertsit doesn't exist
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21:33:02unknowni have such a mp3 player myself so i'd get it off it, if i knew how
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21:33:21unknowngevaerts: the forum says otherwise
21:33:33gevaertsunknown: you mean the OF bootloader?
21:33:48LambdaCalculus37unknown: Ask SanDisk.
21:33:53gevaertsok, in that case ignore me :)
21:34:18amiconnLambdaCalculus37: Two corrections: (1) On the G1..G3, Reset (i.e. "Start Rockbox") is Menu+Play, not Menu+Select
21:34:19LambdaCalculus37unknown: You should get the firmware updater and pick it apart.
21:34:28bertrikunknown, maybe you can get hold of it by downloading it with the sansa updater
21:34:39LambdaCalculus37amiconn: Okay, I'll fix that.
21:34:47amiconn(2) It might be helpful to mention that the firewire socket has a cover on the 2nd Gen
21:34:55amiconnOn the 1st Gen it's not covered
21:35:20LambdaCalculus37amiconn: My 2nd gen doesn't have a FireWire cover. I guess it fell off.
21:35:26LambdaCalculus37But I'll mention that.
21:35:26unknownbertrik: well, i run linux, so that might not be an option. i'll try using vmplayer for that, or wine
21:35:36unknownbut i know holds the american firmware
21:35:54LambdaCalculus37amiconn: Also, the manual mentions "Menu/Select", as in "MENU and/or SELECT".
21:36:00scotty_007somebody else problems reaching
21:36:22gevaertsunknown: that one also has a bootloader
21:36:29bertrikno problems here, svn update works fine
21:36:38amiconnLambdaCalculus37: Ah, of course. That still only applies to G3 and higher
21:36:49amiconn..since we cannot power off the 1st/2nd Gen
21:37:06unknowngevaerts: and i need the mi4tool to pick that file apart?
21:37:13gevaertsno idea
21:37:18bertrikunknown, what do you want to do?
21:37:29unknownbertrik: disassemble the bootloader
21:37:43amiconnOnce when have suspend, the wakeup will be put on Menu / Select for consistency
21:37:46*gevaerts only suspects that bootLoader.rom might be a bootloader
21:38:29*amiconn thinks that the G1/g2 manual needs some more work if we want to include G1/g2 in the release
21:38:43amiconnBasically everything that mentions shutdown needs work :\
21:38:43LambdaCalculus37amiconn: Of course. :)
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21:39:26LambdaCalculus37amiconn: Okay. I'll also add a note for the 1G/2G manual that mentions that shutdown isn't implemented, so users will have to suspend the iPod from the OF.
21:39:52unknownok, this url holds the latest european (with fm) firmware:
21:40:10amiconn3.1.3 metions the hard reset as Menu+Select which should be Menu+Play for G1..G3
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21:41:12amiconn(i.e. the G3 manual is also wrong)
21:41:29LambdaCalculus37amiconn: Don't worry, I'll be making more fixes on those manuals.
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21:41:50*amiconn should probably talk less and code more :/
21:42:09LambdaCalculus37amiconn: Does the 3G iPod have proper shutdown, or no?
21:42:18amiconnIt does
21:42:19bertrikdoing a keyscan on the bootloader/mi4 shows one possible mi4 key
21:42:37amiconnIt is the first ipod featuring the PCF50605 PMU
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21:45:23LambdaCalculus37amiconn: Should I also get rid of any mentions of the iPods displaying "Loading original firmware..." in the dual-boot sections? The iPod bootloader doesn't do that by default, and hasn't done so since... oh damn, early 2007, I believe.
21:45:59amiconnI think so. It doesn't do that since it got "quiet mode"
21:46:15amiconnYou can press Right (iirc) to see all messages
21:46:48bertrikunknown, it looks like the bootloader itself is not encrypted
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21:50:42LambdaCalculus37amiconn: The 1G2G manual already mentions MENU+PLAY to reboot the hardware; I'll also add it to the startup.
21:51:06amiconn3G manual too?
21:51:29LambdaCalculus373G manual, too.
21:51:36LambdaCalculus37So less fixes to do. ;)
21:51:59amiconnIt seems that apple just changed it for the later ipods since the clickwheel doesn't allow to press the buttons on opposite sides at the same time mechanically
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21:52:26LambdaCalculus37I guess so.
21:52:43amiconnSame for the "enter diskmode" combo - on G1..G3 it's Left+Right, later it became Select+Play
21:52:45LambdaCalculus37amiconn: Do you think I should also get rid of all of the old bootloader information in the manual?
21:53:06unknownbertrik: i got the bl from
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21:53:23LambdaCalculus37There are mentions of bootloaders from prior to December 2006 in the manual.
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21:59:47bertrikunknown, OK, just FYI some sansa firmwares have to be matched up with a specific bootloader, because the bootloader contains the mi4 key for that firmware
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22:05:57advcomp2019unknown, i remember them including the bootloader in the firmware upgrades that they have
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22:07:08unknownadvcomp2019: the bootloader is indeed included in the firmware release
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22:07:37bertrikmi4code works fine on the sansa view bootloader/firmware too
22:08:14fmlgevaerts: out of curiousity: what problem(s) in the sansa c200 manual is fixed with the last commit? c200 doesn't even occur in the diff.
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22:09:35gevaertsfml: LambdaCalculus37 said in FS #9367 that it fixes problems for those, and I believe everything LambdaCalculus37 says :)
22:09:57saratogadid anyone ever try the mp3 on cop patch on an ipod video? i'm curious if it helped with UI speed
22:10:14fmlgevaerts: ah, then yes. No further questions! :-)
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22:11:03gevaertsfml: actually, it seems there were a few dap{} instead of \dap{}
22:11:19gevaertsAlso some other similar things
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23:03:56*Llorean is just happy we have a 3.0RC
23:04:14Bagderbuilding in progress, but in 30 mins or so all should be there
23:08:02unknowni guess i have no idea what i'm doing :)
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23:09:59amiconnBagder: What happened to the branch commit table idea?
23:10:31Bagderpoints to the idea, lying there alone in the corner
23:10:41*Bagder adds /me afterwards
23:11:37*amiconn hopes *someone* (probably needs to be a server admin) picks up the idea from that corner
23:11:49BagderI don't think that is terribly important
23:11:59BagderI hope we make a release soon
23:12:30Bagderand once done, I don't expect much more to happen on that branch
23:12:37Bagderunless we find a lethal bug
23:13:08gevaertsWeren't we going to remove the "Draft" from the manual as well?
23:13:17BagderI think we should
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23:13:51amiconnPerhaps, but then if the commit table script becomes flexible enough to show branch commits, it can easily be reused later
23:14:07bluebrothergevaerts: should I?
23:14:42Bagderit is perfectly flexible already actually:
23:14:52Bagdercd src && svn log -v −−limit 10 | (cd $where && ./ > last10.html)
23:15:18gevaertsbluebrother: the manual thing? if everyone agrees, sure
23:15:26LloreanBagder: How do you (and others) feel about putting 3.0 binaries up in just a few more days with a note on the webpage saying something like "the 3.0 build is ready, rbutil support for installing it, etc, to follow" so we can go ahead and get a release out there?
23:15:45BagderI'm all for that
23:16:06BagderI'll be away tomorrow but I could get a set built on sunday or monday
23:16:12*Llorean just wants to be able to say "we've just had our 3.0 release on FLOSS weekly"
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23:16:23bluebrothergevaerts: I'm already at changing it (as it's really simple). If noone objects the next minutes I can commit ...
23:16:25Bagder(and I'll then be gone a week starting wednesday)
23:16:47BagderLlorean: scheduled anything for that yet?
23:16:50gevaertsI'd still call those "release candidate" or "final RC", then we can get a bit more testing to avoid really stupid things on the real 3.0
23:17:34LloreanBagder: Yes. I'm on the 17th unless his interview for the 10th falls through, so I'm on backup for the 10th right now.
23:17:44Bagderthe was a very fine episode
23:18:02Bagdervery cool!
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23:18:34gevaertsHow do we handle the manual?
23:19:03Bagderwe do a 3.0 build of those too, aren't we?
23:19:15Lloreangevaerts: I don't really feel bad if we have to do a 3.0.1 for something stupid. I think our current/daily build users would've reported it if there were something really, really stupid.
23:19:33gevaertsIdeally we want to allow people to keep updating the 3.0 manual if they feel like it
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23:20:41LloreanIs there a manual folder in the 3.0 branch?
23:20:51LloreanProblem solved. :)
23:21:05gevaertsThe website will need some changes though
23:21:08Bagderthat's why I didn't understand the question ;-)
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23:21:29Bagderright, the site needs to have the 3.0 stuff somewhat on the side of the existing versions
23:21:43Bagders/existing/current build
23:21:46*gevaerts is mainly thinking aloud about the manual
23:21:47LloreanWell, there's already a "Releases" link under downloads
23:22:01Bagderfinally we can use that again!
23:22:09LloreanThe manual distinction is important though.
23:22:16gevaertsIf we "allow" continuous manual updates, I think a daily-rebuilt 3.0 manual would be good to have
23:22:16LloreanOr will grow important with time, especially
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23:22:38Bagdergevaerts: but do you actually think we will have that?
23:22:56LloreanIt makes sense to have it, but I don't think it's necessary.
23:23:14LloreanWe'll, in theory, have 3.1 in three months.
23:23:16BagderI believe we all will go trunk and then we make 3.1 later on from trunk the same way we do 3.0 now...
23:23:41LloreanThat's not the hugest window ever for something to get left out of the manual that hasn't yet been reported to us over the last year, and if it does get reported, that's probably the one person who'll notice before 3.1
23:23:42gevaertsBagder: do we want to rule updates out already? If we do that we know there won't be any...
23:24:03BagderI don't rule them out, I just don't seem them done "continuously"
23:24:18LloreanI say updates should just go against trunk unless it's something *really* critical, and then we can do a manual rebuild of 3.0 manuals.
23:25:15gevaertsLlorean: I would like that any manual update that isn't about a trunk-only thing goes to both
23:25:47gevaertsmanual fixes have a pretty low risk of causing freezes or playback issues after all
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23:26:39gevaertsAnd then if we find that there have been lots and lots of manual improvements, we make a new manual build
23:26:48bluebrotherLlorean: any objections from your side against removing the "draft" backdrop from the manual?
23:27:00gevaertss/lots and lots of/some real/
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23:27:47Lloreanbluebrother: It definitely shouldn't be there for the 3.0 manual. I'm not sure how comfortable I am removing it for the daily ones, but I wouldn't put up a fight or anything.
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23:28:03gevaertsI'd keep it for trunk
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23:28:10Lloreangevaerts: Well, manual manual rebuilds are always going to be possible. I just don't know if we need a rolling daily one for 3.0
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23:28:47bluebrotherwell, looking at 3.0 the manual needs quite some warm bodies :/
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23:29:13gevaertsLlorean: we probably won't need it. It just depends on how hard it would be to have one, i.e. if it takes 30 seconds work, I'd do it, if it's an hour, forget it
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23:29:33Lloreangevaerts: Ah, makes sense.
23:30:10Bagder16 RC builds and counting...
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23:37:44Bagderman we have many builds...
23:37:57pixelmawhat about the idea to exclude soe plugins on targets where they don't fully work (I mean the controls especially, like metronome on c200, Ondio and the Player)?
23:38:05pixelma*some too
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23:38:34Lloreanpixelma: I wouldn't object to excluding anything that's definitively broken.
23:38:51Bagderme neither
23:38:55gevaertsGood point. metronome should definitely go for those
23:38:57pixelmawould mean an exclude from the manuals too I think
23:39:24pixelmafrom the "3.0 manual"
23:40:09pixelmaunless someone does the work to at least revert them to the old button definitions...
23:40:15bluebrotherI agree that this is a sensible idea.
23:41:17pixelmabut I think in the case of metronome this isn't easy because the last update which introduced PLA there also changed the UI a lot
23:42:10gevaertsReverting risks breaking other things now
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23:43:22pixelmayeah... that too, hadn't thought of that
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23:46:20*Bagder now writes a script to make 3.0RC manuals too
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23:49:20Bagderoh there are 31 builds and 23 manual builds
23:49:32Bagderit'll take a while longer until they're done
23:49:43pixelmawill we have a "test plugins (or other stuff) on different targets" session to decide? I think that there are some more broken ones which just no-one of the developers noticed so far...
23:50:15gevaertsI should have time on sunday for that
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