00:00:06 | soap | oh, pixe lma beat me to the answer. |
00:00:08 | webguest89 | ok tu |
00:00:09 | webguest89 | ty |
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00:01:39 | MarcGuay | Is there an SVN command for removing extra files? update/cleanup/revert didn't work. |
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00:02:26 | gevaerts | MarcGuay: you can make a script based on svn stat |
00:03:18 | Unhelpful | svn revert needs an option to do that :/ |
00:03:34 | Zagor | twiki lives again |
00:03:47 | pixelma | do you need an SVN command for that? If the revert didn't work I would think it wasn't SVN added in first place |
00:04:21 | linuxstb | MarcGuay: This should work: svn stat | grep ^\? | (while read a b ; do rm "$b" ; done) |
00:04:24 | pixelma | Zagor: good news :) |
00:05:59 | LambdaCalculus37 | Zagor: Excellent. :) |
00:06:28 | MarcGuay | Zagor: Are all of today's changes reverted or just the history? |
00:06:37 | Qgarten | heeh just wanted to say this too |
00:08:07 | Qgarten | just history I think |
00:08:25 | Qgarten | 10 most recent changes: |
00:08:25 | Qgarten | date: 08 Sep 2008 - 00:23 |
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00:11:21 | Zagor | MarcGuay: I would think all of today's changes are gone |
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00:12:04 | Zagor | (yesterdays) |
00:14:26 | markun | I remember an email stating that we can't redistribute some of the icons we use. Does that still apply? |
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00:17:13 | kugel | saratoga: to late already |
00:17:17 | kugel | too* |
00:17:27 | saratoga | i had an idea about noise shaping the sansa V1's flash read noise |
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00:17:44 | saratoga | who would be a good person to talk to about the sansa nand driver? |
00:17:59 | webguest72 | helllo\ |
00:18:03 | webguest72 | ? |
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00:18:08 | pixelma | markun: I remember that as well, I think it was mentioned here shortly after DevCon |
00:18:20 | webguest72 | Why isnt the games on my sansa e260 working |
00:18:31 | webguest72 | i click it but it doesnt load |
00:18:34 | markun | pixelma: I tried to find it again with google but no luck |
00:18:40 | webguest72 | help! |
00:18:41 | saratoga | kugel: too late for what? |
00:18:43 | markun | maybe we should sort it out before the release |
00:18:53 | kugel | saratoga: not talking about my broken device |
00:18:57 | Strife89 | webguest: I'd say you installed Rockbox improperly. |
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00:19:16 | Strife89 | Try reinstalling it. |
00:19:17 | markun | webguest72: maybe you updated rockbox and forgot to update the games |
00:19:27 | kugel | I mean, I already did |
00:19:35 | webguest72 | thats why it isnt loading? |
00:19:37 | webguest72 | like doom |
00:19:47 | kugel | depends now if they're smart enough to google |
00:19:47 | saratoga | kugel: I was thinking that for fuze and clip owners, it might be worth making a couple JTAG adapters and mailing them out |
00:20:13 | saratoga | to encorage them to experiment without fear of breaking things |
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00:21:17 | pixelma | markun: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20080630#00:37:38 , unfortunately that paste at rafb seems to be expired |
00:22:27 | markun | pixelma: have you seen this lazka before or since? |
00:23:10 | markun | the email said something like "you're using the tango icons which can't be shipped with rockbox, you can use the gnome icons instead" or something like that |
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00:24:03 | pixelma | I think he's a forum member too |
00:24:46 | pixelma | yep, last active 27th of May though |
00:24:53 | markun | pixelma: "Use of icons from the tango-icon-theme module must be attributed to the Tango Desktop Project." |
00:25:05 | markun | does that mean we should just include them in the credits? |
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00:25:47 | markun | pixelma: from this site btw http://tango.freedesktop.org/Tango_Desktop_Project |
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00:26:46 | pixelma | wasn't that mail because we are using some derivative work already? ...trying to remember |
00:27:15 | saratoga | jhMikeS: ping |
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00:27:38 | markun | pixelma: why did they write this email to one of our users.. or did this guy make the icon set? |
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00:30:05 | Zagor | since they don't specify any specific form of attribution, a mention in the credits feels apropriate |
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00:31:05 | * | LambdaCalculus37 has made a little more progress: http://pastebin.com/m4020f831 |
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00:31:22 | pixelma | I _believe_ this lazka guy contacted the creator because of the "GPLv2 or later" move and pasted the answer and I think I remember it was along the lines that we weren't allowed to use it at all. But really, I'm not sure at all |
00:32:13 | pixelma | are we using the 12x12 version from http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IconSets#Packaged_Icon_Sets ? |
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00:32:51 | gevaerts | LambdaCalculus37: looks good |
00:33:44 | saratoga | does anyone know how reads from SD cards work? |
00:33:54 | saratoga | i assume you have to read some minmum block size, but what is that size? |
00:34:31 | kugel | saratoga: 19h runtime with your mp3 on cop patch (default settings, ~200kbit's album) |
00:34:46 | Zagor | pixelma: CC-BY-SA is incompatible with GPL but since these are separate media files and not mixed with GPL-licensed code it should not be a problem. |
00:34:59 | kugel | though, tested with my build, with a build that only contains your patches, it'll probably be more |
00:35:13 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: Should I describe the menu? |
00:35:34 | gevaerts | LambdaCalculus37: from what I can see most of the other plugin chapters don't |
00:35:54 | pixelma | Zagor: I see no mention of a license in the 12x12 part |
00:36:01 | saratoga | kugel: is that better or worse then without the COP patch? |
00:36:10 | LinuxMafia | hi |
00:36:12 | kugel | better |
00:36:17 | saratoga | also is this the event driven version? |
00:36:20 | LinuxMafia | i can not mount my sansa e200 |
00:36:27 | LinuxMafia | some one plz help me out |
00:36:35 | saratoga | kugel: sounds good :) |
00:36:36 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: Okay, let me add a few finishing touches and then I'll make a commit. |
00:36:42 | pixelma | Zagor: except that one part is taken from the tango icons project (which gives a license) |
00:36:44 | LinuxMafia | i fotmatted it but rockbox is still there |
00:36:48 | kugel | saratoga: I also noticed that the cpu runs at 20% playing mp3, it's 50-60 without |
00:37:10 | gevaerts | LinuxMafia: what happens? What OS are you using? |
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00:37:22 | LinuxMafia | gevaerts, gentoo |
00:37:30 | pixelma | LambdaCalculus37: could you also mention the alternate "fly" button and one sentence anout the menu (let's you chose level and quit) or something like this)? |
00:37:38 | * | gevaerts waits for the other part of the answer |
00:37:39 | LinuxMafia | gevaerts, it will be mount on windows , but not my linux any more |
00:37:53 | LinuxMafia | gevaerts, it is 2 days like that |
00:38:03 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: Alternate "fly" button? |
00:38:15 | gevaerts | In that case it seems to me that there is something wrong with your gentoo install |
00:38:33 | saratoga | kugel: this is the event driven patch or the old busywaiting one? |
00:39:00 | LinuxMafia | gevaerts, but i did not touch my gentoo , i did not update any thing, and it use to work 2 days ago |
00:39:14 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: Do you mean on the Ondio? |
00:39:21 | pixelma | LambdaCalculus37: on many targets you can use one of two buttons to move the chopper - e.g. on Ondio that would be "Mode" additionally to "Up" |
00:39:30 | pixelma | it's not only the Ondio |
00:39:38 | gevaerts | LinuxMafia: in that case : what did you change on the player? |
00:39:59 | gevaerts | LinuxMafia: is it set to MSC mode? |
00:40:09 | LinuxMafia | gevaerts, nothing i just try to put a file and apperantly it was full |
00:40:15 | LinuxMafia | yeah it is MSC |
00:40:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: On the targets I have, there's only one fly button. |
00:40:26 | gevaerts | if you didn't change anything on either side, it would work |
00:40:28 | LambdaCalculus37 | But I'll mention the Ondio. |
00:40:41 | rasher | pixelma: In that case, we're not living up to the "BY" part of the license. It should probably be in the theme config at the least |
00:40:45 | pixelma | LambdaCalculus37: M5 it would be "Select" and "Up" |
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00:40:55 | rasher | Possibly in CREDITS |
00:41:13 | LinuxMafia | gevaerts, this is why i am surprised |
00:41:17 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: Does that apply to the X5 as well? |
00:41:28 | LinuxMafia | gevaerts, even in safe mode it wont work |
00:41:35 | gevaerts | safe mode? |
00:41:42 | gevaerts | LinuxMafia: does it get a drive letter in windows? |
00:41:44 | LinuxMafia | yeah recovery more |
00:41:47 | pixelma | LambdaCalculus37: X5 and M5 use the same keymap |
00:41:50 | LinuxMafia | yeah it does |
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00:41:55 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: Okay, I'll edit. |
00:41:57 | LinuxMafia | gevaerts, i want to format it |
00:42:03 | LinuxMafia | and install rockbox again |
00:42:13 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: Added. |
00:42:15 | gevaerts | what will that change? |
00:42:41 | LinuxMafia | gevaerts, nothing i formatted it , but rockbox still is there |
00:42:58 | gevaerts | Then you didn't format it |
00:43:27 | pixelma | LambdaCalculus37: nice, thanks :) |
00:43:57 | LinuxMafia | gevaerts, i went to recovery mode and put file named sansa.fmt |
00:44:08 | LinuxMafia | gevaerts, and it showed formatting |
00:44:22 | LinuxMafia | but rockbox boot loader still there |
00:44:45 | gevaerts | yes, the bootloader. That's not what you said earlier |
00:45:31 | LinuxMafia | gevaerts, i need to update the actual firmware too |
00:45:38 | LinuxMafia | i downloaded it |
00:45:54 | LinuxMafia | but could not update it |
00:46:25 | gevaerts | LinuxMafia: why didn't you just follow the uninstallation instructions in the manual? |
00:47:10 | LinuxMafia | gevaerts, couse i could not mount the device |
00:47:21 | LinuxMafia | gevaerts, i installed it in linux |
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00:48:28 | gevaerts | LinuxMafia: what happens if you plug it in while running linux? |
00:48:52 | LinuxMafia | gevaerts, nothing |
00:48:58 | LinuxMafia | it goes to rockbox |
00:49:20 | LinuxMafia | dmesg shows nothing |
00:49:21 | gevaerts | ok, now is rockbox there or not? |
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00:51:26 | LinuxMafia | no |
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00:51:40 | LinuxMafia | gevaerts, but i am tring to reinstall it in windows |
00:52:06 | saratoga | maybe you could explain exactly what is wrong, what is happening, and what you expect to happen because honestly I have no idea what you're even asking at this point |
00:52:13 | MarcGuay | How does it "go to rockbox" if rockbox isn't there? |
00:52:32 | saratoga | i mean if you can't explain whats wrong its kind of difficult to suggest a fix |
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00:54:03 | LinuxMafia | saratoga, before when i connect my sansa e200 , a pop up used to come saing sansa e200 .. , now nothing happens |
00:54:15 | LinuxMafia | and dmesg does not show anything |
00:54:23 | LinuxMafia | i try to update kernel |
00:54:28 | gevaerts | And what happens on the e200 ? |
00:54:42 | LinuxMafia | just tried to go to rockbox |
00:55:00 | LinuxMafia | before it used to go to the official one |
00:55:51 | gevaerts | And if you plug it in while running windows it works? Is that the same PC? |
00:57:18 | LinuxMafia | gevaerts, yeah but another laptop |
00:57:22 | LinuxMafia | i only use linux |
00:57:35 | LinuxMafia | that one is my friends laptop |
00:57:41 | MarcGuay | LinuxMafia: So it tries to go to Rockbox but failed because it can't find it? |
00:57:44 | gevaerts | Do other usb devices still work on the same usb port? |
00:57:52 | MarcGuay | *tried |
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00:59:08 | LinuxMafia | yeah |
00:59:11 | LinuxMafia | it works |
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00:59:38 | LinuxMafia | i tried other usb ports too |
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01:00:20 | gevaerts | ok. Make sure the sansa is not plugged in, and start it while holding "left". That should start the original firmware |
01:00:40 | LinuxMafia | gevaerts, i tried that too |
01:00:56 | LinuxMafia | then connected it but still same thing |
01:01:31 | Strife89 | !logbox |
01:01:35 | Strife89 | !logbot |
01:01:45 | Strife89 | Phooey.... |
01:02:08 | Strife89 | LinuxMafia: May I ask what the problem is?.... |
01:02:44 | LinuxMafia | Strife89, yeah sure , i can not mount my sansa e200 no more |
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01:03:00 | gevaerts | LinuxMafia: is this on a laptop? Did you try all ports, or just some of them? |
01:03:02 | LinuxMafia | Strife89, when i connect it dmesg shows nothing |
01:03:17 | Strife89 | Hmmm. |
01:03:22 | MarcGuay | LinuxMafia: Can you boot into the Sansa firmware by hold left while it boots? |
01:03:27 | LinuxMafia | gevaerts, on my pc there is only gentoo and i tried all port |
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01:03:52 | Strife89 | The cable could be going bad..... |
01:03:54 | gevaerts | LinuxMafia: gentoo does not matter. I don't think this is a software issue |
01:04:03 | LinuxMafia | MarcGuay, yeah , nothing looks wrong i can still play videos |
01:04:19 | LinuxMafia | Strife89, i can mount it on windows |
01:04:38 | MarcGuay | LinuxMafia: And if you plug it in while in the Sansa firmware? |
01:04:58 | advcomp2019 | LinuxMafia, i think gevaerts is right |
01:05:04 | jhMikeS | saratoga: hey |
01:05:05 | Strife89 | Are Windows and Linux on different machines? |
01:05:38 | Strife89 | LinuxMafia: Are Windows and Linux on different machines? |
01:06:02 | gevaerts | Strife89: yes |
01:06:09 | LinuxMafia | MarcGuay, still nothing happens |
01:06:28 | LinuxMafia | Strife89, windows on laptop , gentoo on pc |
01:06:38 | gevaerts | LinuxMafia: from what I understand the e200 is not a very good USB device. Maybe yours just got a little bit worse, which caused incompatibility with your PC and not with the other one |
01:06:47 | gevaerts | Do you have a USB hub somewhere? |
01:06:49 | LambdaCalculus37 | Small question... since Pacbox doesn't build on the c200, I want to exclude it from the manual. How can I do that? |
01:06:55 | saratoga | jhMikeS: you wrote the Sansa SD driver right? |
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01:07:04 | LinuxMafia | gevaerts, yeah this is what i use now |
01:07:06 | gevaerts | LambdaCalculus37: see plugins/main.tex |
01:07:23 | gevaerts | LinuxMafia: have you tried without it? |
01:08:19 | LinuxMafia | gevaerts, yeah i tried the back of pc |
01:08:57 | Strife89 | LinuxMafia: Have you tested other USB devices? (Trying to be thorough here) |
01:09:27 | gevaerts | Strife89: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20080909 works... |
01:09:51 | saratoga | if it works in Windows in the OF, its obviously not a rockbox issue and this probably isn't the right place to ask for help |
01:10:21 | LinuxMafia | yeah |
01:10:22 | LinuxMafia | i did |
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01:11:48 | LinuxMafia | 10x guys |
01:11:53 | LinuxMafia | i try to update gentoo |
01:11:53 | Strife89 | Wait, what USB mode is the OF in? |
01:11:58 | LinuxMafia | see what happned |
01:12:08 | saratoga | stop using the return key when you actually want to use a comma |
01:12:12 | LinuxMafia | Strife89, it is set to MSC |
01:12:15 | gevaerts | won't help. It's a hardware issue |
01:12:20 | jhMikeS | saratoga: no, I had a hand in the addition of SD cards and some rewriting to make it more tolerant |
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01:12:39 | LinuxMafia | gevaerts, but why it works on windows |
01:12:54 | gevaerts | LinuxMafia: it doesn't "work on windows". It works on another PC |
01:13:02 | saratoga | jhMikeS: maybe you can tell me what the minimum efficient read unit is [sector, block, whatever] |
01:13:27 | gevaerts | If you install windows on your PC, it still won't work. If you install linux on the other PC (or use a live CD), it will still work |
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01:13:37 | jhMikeS | saratoga: 1 sector is the minimum it ever transfers |
01:13:44 | saratoga | how big is 1 sector? |
01:13:48 | jhMikeS | 512 bytes |
01:13:54 | saratoga | and it reads how fast? |
01:13:58 | Strife89 | gevaerts: All the same, why not try another Linux distro? We don't know for sure, 100%..... |
01:14:25 | jhMikeS | saratoga: I don't know the actual rate but it's faster than the PP hard drives |
01:14:31 | gevaerts | Well, yes. The other option is that this gentoo install doesn't have USB drivers. |
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01:14:41 | saratoga | any rough idea how many sectors a second it can do? |
01:14:42 | gevaerts | But then other USB devices wouldn't work |
01:14:46 | jhMikeS | I suppose test_disk would reveal that |
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01:14:52 | Strife89 | I say, when there's a problem, and you really want a solution, try every possible method, however far-fetched. |
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01:15:07 | maha | can i set my player to read the entirefile into ram before playing the song ? |
01:15:37 | saratoga | jhMikeS: any chance its at least 10MB/s so that it can read 20k sectors a second? |
01:15:38 | Strife89 | Doesn't Rockbox do that anyway?..... |
01:16:03 | gevaerts | saratoga: no. 4 or 5 at most |
01:16:14 | gevaerts | maha: why? |
01:16:17 | jhMikeS | saratoga: I just did a quick buffering test so that seems doubtful |
01:16:19 | linuxstb | maha: No. What's the problem with the current way it works? |
01:16:53 | linuxstb | saratoga: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DiskSpeed |
01:17:07 | maha | linuxstb and gevaerts,i have a sansa e280 which has alot of background hiss caused by low quality build |
01:17:28 | maha | everytime the thng buffers, ill get some noise :/ |
01:18:03 | Strife89 | maha: That's an unfortunate problem with all Sansas, I believe...... |
01:18:23 | saratoga | jhMikeS: 10MB/s means we could modulate the read speed at 20khz, and noise shape most of the drive access noise out of the audiable band |
01:18:24 | * | jhMikeS got beat to the punch by linuxstb :) |
01:18:59 | * | gevaerts thinks that saratoga is slightly insane ;) |
01:19:03 | Strife89 | maha: It seems the CPU lets some noise leak whenever it's processing. |
01:19:10 | jhMikeS | I think aligned reads just barely make the cut |
01:19:10 | Strife89 | Correct me if I'm wrong. |
01:19:11 | gevaerts | Nice idea though. |
01:19:17 | saratoga | that page says 9.7MB/s which is 19900 sectors a second |
01:19:55 | gevaerts | saratoga: actually, from what I understand the SD interface uses 32 byte blocks. I could be wrong though |
01:20:09 | maha | Strife89 well, ok.. are there players which dont have leaks ? |
01:20:15 | saratoga | if we paused every other sector for the duration of the transfer time of one sector we would half the read speed, but shift much of the noise to ultrasonic frequencies |
01:20:31 | * | jhMikeS 's e260 isn't extremely noisy |
01:20:41 | saratoga | the noise depends on the headphones |
01:20:48 | saratoga | its rather loud on mine |
01:20:51 | Strife89 | maha: Just about every other target doesn't have the noise problem as far as I'm aware. |
01:20:57 | jhMikeS | 16-ohm headphones = more noise? |
01:21:06 | saratoga | its the sensitivity mainly |
01:21:09 | maha | wtf :/ |
01:21:20 | saratoga | higher sensitivity means the noise power translates into higher acoustic power |
01:21:26 | Strife89 | My Sansa c250 makes a little noise, but it does't bother me. |
01:21:38 | maha | that SUCKS. i only bought this sansa cause it could run rb /: |
01:21:53 | Strife89 | maha: Have you messed with the EQ? |
01:21:58 | jhMikeS | saratoga: I've tested x5 remote ticking with 16-ohm vs. 32-ohm and 16-ohm makes it almost unsurpressable so that's why it came to mind |
01:22:13 | maha | Strife89 nope.. |
01:22:33 | saratoga | of course, 20k/sectors a second means we can modulate with at best a 10khz, meaning that some of the noise will remain in band |
01:22:35 | maha | i dont know how to get this noise into a wav so i could analyze it |
01:22:39 | Strife89 | maha: Ah, never mind, then. |
01:22:43 | jhMikeS | saratoga: Yes, I do know some are ridiculously efficient. |
01:23:03 | Strife89 | maha: Line out to a PC sound card..... |
01:23:22 | saratoga | unless we could reduce the transfer time per sector, perhaps by exploiting the fact that half the time would be idle |
01:23:24 | jhMikeS | Most noise for me comes from the backlight however |
01:23:28 | maha | Strife89 i dont have the required connectors :( |
01:23:48 | Strife89 | maha: What do you mean? |
01:23:58 | jhMikeS | saratoga: there was a note in the driver about issuing a certain command before a transfer |
01:24:22 | maha | Strife89 its uh the input-output cable which i dont have |
01:24:31 | saratoga | jhMikeS: I flipped through the dirver, but since I don't understand SD or how the rockbox disk driver interface works it didn't make the least bit of sense to me |
01:24:34 | Strife89 | maha: Just get a dual male 1/8" cable. Hook one end into your Sansa and the other into the Line In or Microphone jack on your PC. |
01:24:41 | jhMikeS | saratoga: one thing, is the noise problem unique to rockbox or are we trying to improve upon OF? |
01:24:50 | saratoga | jhMikeS: its in both |
01:24:56 | Strife89 | maha: The cables can be found almost anywhere, dirt-cheap. |
01:25:21 | maha | Strife89 yeah, thats what dnt have.. and its too far for me to travelto a store |
01:25:47 | jhMikeS | saratoga: I wonder if killing-off busy waiting that keep the core active and using interrupts to fill the FIFO would be an answer. |
01:26:01 | Strife89 | maha: You might find one online. |
01:26:23 | saratoga | jhMikeS: I don't get any noise unless a disk transfer is active, so I don't think the CPU matters much |
01:26:53 | saratoga | is suspect its a lack of filtering between the DAC power supply line and the NAND/SD interface |
01:27:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | Can someone tell me if this \nopt is correct? http://pastebin.com/m2c14274a |
01:27:25 | saratoga | since the noise is independent of amplifier volume, and thus likely riding in on the power line and not the DAC itself |
01:27:36 | jhMikeS | saratoga: ah, ok. how would you modulate anything with any regularity? |
01:28:13 | saratoga | idle every other transfer for the duration of one average transfer |
01:28:23 | saratoga | before sending the next read command |
01:28:39 | MarcGuay | LambdaCalculus37: I've never don't a nested \nopt like that. Does it throw an error when you build? |
01:29:18 | MarcGuay | LambdaCalculus37: And even if it worked I think you might need to move some braces around. |
01:29:56 | jhMikeS | saratoga: I guess udelay is your friend there. It hardly seems much work to try it out. |
01:30:20 | * | MarcGuay scratches that last bit... |
01:30:30 | Strife89 | Any of ya'll know of the Mikmod patch? |
01:30:31 | saratoga | jhMikeS: could you suggest where the udelay needs to go and for how long? |
01:31:08 | saratoga | i suppse 1/19900 of a second would be a good first guess for the delay |
01:31:38 | jhMikeS | saratoga: in the FIFO block read loop? |
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01:32:09 | jhMikeS | I guess 6uS |
01:32:39 | jhMikeS | 19900*8 blocks / sec |
01:32:51 | saratoga | jhMikeS: any reason the FIFO is 64 bytes and not 512 bytes? |
01:33:02 | Strife89 | The Mikmod patch (FS #8806) works wonderfully well. :) |
01:33:19 | jhMikeS | saratoga: it should be 16 2-byte words |
01:33:34 | saratoga | oh i assumed a word was 4 bytes |
01:33:49 | saratoga | so the interface uses 32 byte transfers but the nand itself is 512 byte? |
01:33:50 | jhMikeS | its half-word sized reads/writes |
01:34:12 | jhMikeS | The NAND has configurable block size |
01:34:13 | LambdaCalculus37 | Argh, why don't manuals build on my system!? |
01:35:01 | saratoga | would copy_read_sectors_fast be a good place for the delay? |
01:35:04 | jhMikeS | It may have a minimum block size; that's somewhere in the spec somewhere |
01:35:21 | jhMikeS | saratoga: could be, or in the loop that calls it |
01:36:11 | saratoga | so in theory we could blink this on and off at a faster rate by using smaller transfers then 512 bytes? |
01:36:52 | jhMikeS | in copy_read_sectors_fast it will work in 32-byte chunks |
01:37:32 | saratoga | even better |
01:38:34 | LambdaCalculus37 | MarcGuay: I'm going to exclude adding the \nopt for Pacbox on the c200 manual for now and just commit what I have right now. |
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01:38:49 | * | LambdaCalculus37 will figure it out later and add it when he has a better understanding of it |
01:39:43 | pixelma | LambdaCalculus37: I don't think that would work - did you test compile? If at all I'd expect it to look something like this: \opt{h1xx,m5,lcd_color}{\nopt{c200}{\input{plugins/pacbox.tex}}} |
01:40:24 | pixelma | your \nopt looks definitely wrong. But as I said I'm not sure if nesting like this works in general, would need to try myself |
01:41:39 | saratoga | jhMikeS: what is copy_read_sectors_fast actually copying from? |
01:41:47 | saratoga | some sort of internal buffer or bus? |
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01:48:56 | jhMikeS | saratoga: from the buffer to the FIFO |
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01:49:12 | jhMikeS | err...reverse that |
01:50:22 | saratoga | what does the FIFO do exactly? |
01:50:23 | jhMikeS | The FIFO starts at &DATA_REG (0x70008280) |
01:50:32 | saratoga | so its a hardware device? |
01:50:45 | jhMikeS | Stores the last 16 words read in from the NAND |
01:51:11 | jhMikeS | it's a SoC hardware module, yes |
01:51:29 | jhMikeS | there's also an external chip + actual NAND device |
01:51:29 | saratoga | so reading from the FIFO is as close to controling the NAND output as I can get? |
01:51:51 | jhMikeS | pretty much |
01:52:10 | jhMikeS | perhaps it's possible to clock it at another speed |
01:53:03 | saratoga | playing with the timings and test_disk, it does seem that different transfer rates corrispond to significantly different pitches of noise |
01:53:59 | saratoga | i guess the trick will be picking the one that gives ultrasound |
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01:57:27 | jhMikeS | I just wonder which part is the noisy bit−− the transfer or the commands? |
01:58:16 | kugel | saratoga: the latest patch (v6), so the one with the events |
01:58:23 | saratoga | alright cool |
01:58:30 | saratoga | good to know theres an improvement in battery life |
01:58:40 | saratoga | any idea how much roughly |
01:59:24 | saratoga | jhMikeS: it could be my imagintion, but it seemed like playing with delays did change the tone of the various disk tests, but i'll need to wiat until i have enough free time to sit around doing measurements and ffts to be sure |
01:59:32 | kugel | no, sorry. Although The last time I tested with my build (110~kbit/s OGG, NO default settings) I got 14h |
01:59:36 | saratoga | some of them were extremely high pitched too |
01:59:42 | saratoga | others quite low pitched |
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02:00:09 | jhMikeS | saratoga: perhaps it is beats? |
02:00:17 | saratoga | yes i think it does |
02:00:38 | saratoga | the actual noise spectrum is likely quite low frequency, and the duration of the pulse simply reshapes it across the spectrum |
02:02:20 | MarcGuay | Rockbox Lawyers: Didn't senab keep this theme under a tighter license? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGigabeatF#Slant_for_Gigabeat |
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02:02:57 | Llorean | Slant was under CC_by_NC last I heard, but people were going to talk to him about changing it. |
02:04:19 | Llorean | Something to do with his use of it for school work too. |
02:05:58 | saratoga | actually, I guess it could be a high frequency noise too, and modulation already built into the SD controller as it transfers things shifts it down to base band |
02:06:14 | saratoga | fixing this isn't going to be as simple as I'd imagined |
02:07:04 | MarcGuay | Llorean: I guess we assume that Mr. Kaufman he got permission? |
02:07:08 | MarcGuay | -he |
02:07:08 | jhMikeS | saratoga: I hear ya. When is it ever? ;) |
02:07:42 | Llorean | MarcGuay: Try asking him maybe? |
02:10:06 | MarcGuay | Llorean: Looks like DeanMurray gave him permission.. http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17445.0. Not sure what rights he has on it. |
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02:10:47 | * | jhMikeS still has to figure out how to make the 'beast charging super tolerant and picky at the same time :\ |
02:11:17 | linuxstb | Reading the forums, it seems that senab didn't explicitly say any license originally, and then decided on a restrictive license - http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=10606.0 |
02:11:45 | saratoga | jhMikeS: also a dumb question, how do I adjust what the boost clock speed is on the Sansa? changing CPU_FREQ in config-e200 didn't seem to have the effect I expected when I tried it the other day |
02:12:14 | linuxstb | MarcGuay: I don't think DeanMurray has the right to grant rights to slant. We should just graveyard it IMO. |
02:12:20 | MarcGuay | jhMikeS: Is there any risk in using the S charging patch as it is? |
02:12:22 | jhMikeS | saratoga: to change PLL settings?\ |
02:12:24 | Llorean | MarcGuay: That on its own really isn't good enough. Try contacting Senab through the forums? |
02:12:50 | jhMikeS | MarcGuay: there shouldn't be any risk involved. |
02:12:52 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Why does it need to be super tolerant? |
02:12:55 | saratoga | jhMikeS: i was timing the execution of loops and measuring power, and it didn't seem to change the timing or power consumption of a loop |
02:12:57 | MarcGuay | linuxstb: Does the date that he switched the license matter or is it backwards compatible? |
02:13:22 | linuxstb | I don't think so, as he never explicitly mentioned a license before then (afaics) |
02:13:48 | MarcGuay | jhMikeS: I'll let you know if I find anything funky. Just rolled with it. |
02:13:49 | jhMikeS | Llorean: race conditions with plugging/unplugging are completely unavoidable so errors caused by that need to be detected and ignored |
02:13:50 | Llorean | MarcGuay: It matters, technically. Anything prior to the date he licensed it isn't under the old license, so if an image was removed prior to the change (for example) that image can't be reused. |
02:14:12 | Llorean | But generally, I think it's safe to assume he meant the licensing retroactive unless he removed some stuff at the same time (logos of his or something) |
02:14:57 | jhMikeS | saratoga: Changing the #define won't change the PLL setup. |
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02:16:16 | saratoga | jhMikeS: ah figures, where is the correct thing to change? |
02:17:06 | jhMikeS | the stuff in system-pp5022.c, the register settings if you want to mess with the clocks |
02:18:00 | jhMikeS | -> /firmware/target/arm/system-pp502x.c more precisely. there could be clocking registers specific to the SD interface as welel |
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02:19:38 | webguest65 | help |
02:19:48 | webguest65 | my sansa e260 isnt turning off :( |
02:19:59 | webguest65 | screen is blank but the light is still on |
02:20:16 | jhMikeS | hold power for 15 secs or so |
02:21:07 | webguest65 | i tried that |
02:21:11 | webguest65 | it doesnt work |
02:21:34 | webguest65 | nvm thanks :D |
02:21:53 | webguest65 | i cnt get doom to run in my e260 |
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02:23:29 | webguest28 | pls help! |
02:23:50 | advcomp2019 | what is wrong with doom? |
02:24:09 | webguest28 | it not loading |
02:24:27 | webguest28 | i click doom folder and click doom2.wad rockdoom.wad ntohing |
02:24:37 | Llorean | That's not how you run it. |
02:24:40 | webguest28 | i also tried counterstrike in add ons |
02:24:41 | Llorean | Have you tried reading the manual? |
02:24:59 | webguest28 | i downloaded it from this site hold on |
02:25:19 | webguest28 | http://forums.pc-pad.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=6&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a |
02:25:24 | webguest28 | it has no manual |
02:25:50 | saratoga | thats probably the most unreadible forum i've ever seen |
02:25:50 | Llorean | Well, our website has a manual for the official version of Rockbox |
02:25:57 | Llorean | If you want to use someone else's information, ask them for help |
02:26:50 | webguest28 | oh yeah how do i update my rockbox? |
02:27:02 | Llorean | Also in the manual. Just install the newest version, as per the manual. |
02:30:07 | webguest28 | i extracted the new rockbox into my sansa |
02:35:22 | MarcGuay | pixelma: Did you take a look a Lambda's dual-boot change? I'm wondering if it's worthwhile to condense the /opts. The only difference between the two sets of players is one button. |
02:36:30 | pixelma | no, I didn't. I'm currently fixing what he broke right now... ;) |
02:36:44 | MarcGuay | pixelma: Sounds familiar. :) |
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02:50:46 | LambdaCalculus37 | MarcGuay: Thanks for the fix to the manual. I now owe you a beer. :) |
02:51:11 | * | pixelma wonders what she will get then |
02:51:37 | * | LambdaCalculus37 hands pixelma a pizza and a beer |
02:51:40 | webguest28 | how do i record radio in rockbox? |
02:51:54 | * | LambdaCalculus37 also hands MarcGuay a pizza |
02:51:58 | pixelma | webguest28: what player? |
02:52:08 | webguest28 | idk |
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02:52:18 | webguest28 | how do i tell? |
02:52:27 | Llorean | webguest28: What MP3 player do you have... |
02:52:32 | webguest28 | sansa e260 |
02:52:42 | Llorean | webguest28: And please read the channel guidelines, abbreviations like "idk" aren't welcome here. |
02:52:50 | webguest28 | k |
02:53:08 | pixelma | deer |
02:53:33 | pixelma | sorry typo... |
02:53:41 | pixelma | webguest28: then you record radio from the recording screen, setting the source to "FM radio" or the like. |
02:53:53 | Llorean | webguest28: I'm pretty sure the manual covers recording as well. I may be wrong, but did you check? |
02:54:39 | webguest28 | what button do i press to start recording? |
02:55:51 | pixelma | what does the recording section of the manual tell you? |
02:56:41 | * | LambdaCalculus37 adds his manual fixes to the 3.0 branch |
02:58:12 | * | pixelma will add fixes for LambdaCalculus37 fixes later then, currently test building anyways |
02:59:06 | webguest28 | you know where i got gameboy emulator for sansa? |
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02:59:40 | webguest28 | it says no roms in .rockbox/pacman |
02:59:54 | LambdaCalculus37 | Well, then you have to get ROMs for it then. And don't ask us. |
02:59:58 | Llorean | webguest28: Look, you are expected to have read the manual. |
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03:02:03 | LambdaCalculus37 | MarcGuay: I mirrored your wording fix in the 3.0 branch. |
03:04:02 | webguest28 | what is a demo for? |
03:04:15 | webguest28 | there's a matrix one and a cube one |
03:04:45 | Llorean | webguest28: They're like screensavers. |
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03:05:09 | webguest28 | cool |
03:05:22 | webguest28 | how do i make it show when i not use sansa? |
03:05:30 | Llorean | You can't. |
03:05:43 | Llorean | "Like screensavers" means "they aren't screensavers" otherwise I would've said "they're screensavers" |
03:05:58 | webguest28 | so i just look at them? |
03:06:05 | Llorean | If you want to. |
03:06:11 | Unhelpful | webguest28: really, it's more that many screensavers are like demos. look up "demo scene" on wikipedia if you don't get it |
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03:17:18 | pixelma | LambdaCalculus37: btw., my version of the \opt and \nopt line for pacman works, which was when I found out that some manuals don't build. I'll commit a fix for the latter soonish but it's 3 a.m. here and I doubt I'll commit the other |
03:18:46 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: No problem. |
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03:32:26 | webguest28 | does the cabbie v2 theme hav album art? |
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03:35:48 | Unhelpful | look at the now playing screen? |
03:36:20 | pixelma | Unhelpful: that was unhelpful if album art is not set up yet |
03:36:22 | pixelma | ;) |
03:36:37 | pixelma | LambdaCalculus37: I meant you could do that yourself if you want to |
03:36:43 | pixelma | webguest28: yes |
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03:51:05 | MarcGuay | What's the story on the copyrightness of that little Rockbox logo with the 1/4 note on it again? We didn't use it for the default theme because the original artist couldn't be located? |
03:52:43 | Llorean | Yes. |
03:52:51 | Llorean | If memory serves, at least |
03:54:39 | MarcGuay | It's being used a lot in the "clean" galleries and re-licensed. |
03:54:56 | MarcGuay | Being a police officer must be the worst thing ever. |
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03:56:17 | soap | whoa whoa |
03:56:30 | * | MarcGuay contemplates installing a single-bootloader on the Beast with the charging patch. |
03:56:32 | Llorean | MarcGuay: That's one of the nice things about "safe harbor" provisions. |
03:56:52 | Llorean | Unless someone reports a theme to us as being copyright infringing, we're assuming people have the right to license a theme as they have it licensed. |
03:57:07 | Llorean | Basically, you either have a choice to police everything, or not examine them at all unless someone reports them to you. |
03:57:12 | soap | I ASSume all licenses are valid, unless there is overwhelming evidence to me - a "lay man" that there is a violation. |
03:57:49 | soap | I thought I made that clear when I split the galleries. |
03:58:07 | Llorean | As it stands, these people are asserting that they have a valid right to license it. |
03:58:25 | Llorean | Slant, I think, it an important one because the author has come forward in the past, on our site, and explicitly said he *couldn't* license in CC_by_SA |
03:58:31 | soap | and we have their "real name" ;) |
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04:07:19 | MarcGuay | *awaits |
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05:20:54 | delt | Hello |
05:21:38 | delt | What files in the source code should i modify so that the firmware doesn't try to load .MOD files, but rather use the mikmod plugin to play them? |
05:22:18 | delt | i edited out all references to MOD format i could find in firmware/id3.c and other files, and removed the codecs/mod.codec |
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05:22:36 | delt | they still show up with that brownish "2 notes" icon |
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05:27:34 | MarcGuay | delt: Perhaps searching the subversion history for keywords like "mod" will turn up the change that did the opposite of what you want. And you can simply revert that. Does Mikmod have an advantage over the codec? |
05:27:48 | MarcGuay | Searching the closed tracker tasks may also prove useful... |
05:28:02 | delt | yeah, more complete and less buggy |
05:28:15 | delt | and more consistent with playing other mod formats |
05:28:33 | MarcGuay | Are there bugs with the codec? Other mod's meaning .s3m/.it/etc? |
05:28:42 | delt | yeah sorry |
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05:29:15 | delt | but let's say i want filenames ending with ".xyz" to be ignored by the firmware, and loaded by a plugin |
05:29:33 | delt | where would i remove the suffix ".xyz" |
05:29:34 | delt | & |
05:29:36 | delt | uh |
05:29:36 | delt | ? |
05:29:50 | MarcGuay | No reason to apologize. Try those paths I mentionned... I don't know without researching myself. |
05:31:28 | delt | ... but you surely must know where are the file types "registered" to codecs? i'm not quite familiar with the rockbox architecture. |
05:31:42 | MarcGuay | From MajorChanges DONE 2008-05-21: MOD codec support added. |
05:31:51 | MarcGuay | delt: No idea. |
05:33:23 | delt | this seems like i would need to comment out or modify a single line of code, or a few at most...... but where?? |
05:33:34 | MarcGuay | The original patch: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8680 |
05:33:44 | MarcGuay | delt: Do some research and work backwards. |
05:33:48 | delt | thanks, looking at it now |
05:34:11 | MarcGuay | Good luck. |
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05:34:54 | delt | ok, thanks |
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05:41:58 | delt_away | DID IT!! apps/filetypes.c |
05:42:07 | delt_away | *slaps forehead* |
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06:23:11 | VirtualX1 | hey, can someone help me install rockbox on my ipod? |
06:23:28 | advcomp2019 | VirtualX1, what ipod |
06:23:40 | VirtualX1 | 5G |
06:23:45 | VirtualX1 | 30 GB |
06:24:05 | advcomp2019 | did you read the manual? |
06:24:18 | VirtualX1 | the current build wont unzip |
06:24:42 | VirtualX1 | and yes, i have |
06:25:36 | advcomp2019 | what do you mean by it will not unzip? |
06:26:17 | VirtualX1 | i downloaded the current archive, and mac os x does not want to unzip it |
06:26:52 | Llorean | Have you tried using RBUtil? |
06:27:29 | VirtualX1 | downloading it is wierd, maybe ill try another browser to download it |
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06:27:53 | VirtualX1 | firefox is failing with downloading it |
06:28:15 | VirtualX1 | oh wait |
06:28:19 | VirtualX1 | saved it as |
06:28:21 | VirtualX1 | :D |
06:28:53 | VirtualX1 | well i guess that was pointless, sorry for the bother :/ |
06:28:58 | VirtualX1 | kind of a newb here |
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09:29:43 | GodEater | http://gizmodo.com/5042072/a-sad-fact-the-ipods-clickwheel-must-die <−− an informative read, especially if you're at all interested in DAP UIs |
09:33:02 | Llorean | At least we've got the "how many button presses minimum to listen to music" beat. |
09:33:48 | GodEater | hehe yeah |
09:33:55 | GodEater | it's "None" on my Rockbox :) |
09:35:23 | ruskie | why I like the ipod shuffle... no overly complicated junk... |
09:35:34 | petur | I hope they don't do the same menu analysis on Rockbox ;) |
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09:35:54 | Llorean | There's really no practical way to drastically improve it without cutting options. |
09:36:02 | Llorean | All you can do is try to guess where people are most likely to look for any given one. |
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09:37:22 | ruskie | why does it need: clock, calendar, games, contacts, alarms, notes, stopwatch etc... |
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09:38:34 | GodEater | Llorean: haven't you already done similar with Rockbox's menus ? |
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09:39:54 | Llorean | I've done a little on my own. Others have discussed it much more, though the last time I looked at the proposal I honestly felt parts of it made things worse. |
09:40:10 | GodEater | I just meant the map of the current menus |
09:40:15 | GodEater | not an effort to improve them |
09:40:40 | Llorean | Oh, no, I never mapped them. I considered doing it, and at the time found someone had already mapped them out fully at the time. |
09:41:10 | * | GodEater suspects it probably needs doing again |
09:42:03 | Llorean | Maybe I can make that a goal for 3.1, a reorganized menu system. |
09:43:12 | Llorean | Which reminds me of a question I was curious about. |
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09:43:43 | Llorean | I seem to recall some players used software tone controls for bass and treble, any idea which those are? |
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09:45:19 | pixelma | the Iaudios I believe, maybe others as well |
09:45:52 | Llorean | Ah, and do those have a line out that's permanently at line-level? |
09:47:25 | pixelma | seem to remember this so but I need to try because I'm not sure. Can give you the result soon. |
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09:48:20 | Llorean | I was just curious about Bass/Treble/Equalizer/Volume, and which targets get those for headphones, which for line out, and where they're different between targets. |
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09:49:23 | pixelma | volume is definitely seperate |
09:53:58 | pixelma | the only volume change I notice when adjusting from the WPS is that it mutes, as soon as it above that I get line level through the line-out |
09:55:33 | Llorean | I'm wondering if it would make sense to split "Sound Settings" into "Headphones" "Line Out" and "All Sound" and only show the options in each that only affect that category. |
09:55:46 | Llorean | For example, on h120, you can't separate effects for Line Out vs Headphones |
09:56:02 | Llorean | While on the iPods I believe you can control the dock line out completely independently of the headphone output in all aspects. |
09:56:26 | Llorean | Meanwhile digital effects like the equalizer, I believe, go to both anyway since it's done before the audio gets to the DAC. |
09:59:09 | petur | on h1x0/h3x0, the headphone/line-out split is done at the end stage of the DAC (maybe the headphone amp is attached to the line-out?), so there's not much to split |
09:59:39 | petur | and what's wrong with controlling bass/treble on the line-out? |
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10:00:53 | Llorean | petur: Nothing specific. |
10:01:04 | Llorean | My point is more "its not clear to users which effects happen on a line out, and which don't" |
10:01:12 | Llorean | Especially if it differs from target to target. |
10:01:37 | Llorean | And some simple sorting of the menus might help clarify this, at the cost (as always) of added complexity navigating them. |
10:01:48 | petur | if we split this up, it should only be done for targets where it matters... |
10:02:33 | Llorean | Yes. |
10:02:59 | Llorean | If all settings always apply, then you just have "Sound Settings" without a subcategory |
10:03:46 | JdGordon | arg, then we have #ifdef hell in the menus... |
10:04:27 | pixelma | we could make one menu item simpler ... the bookmarks ;) |
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10:04:45 | JdGordon | would be nicer if someone would fix the DSP so every setting works on every target, but the ones whic h can do it in hardware do it there, and the ones that cant do it in the DSP |
10:05:02 | * | JdGordon is working on bookmarks... sort of... not much rockbox time atm :( |
10:05:23 | Llorean | JdGordon: Even if every setting worked on all targets, ones that do it in hardware would inevitably not always do it the same. |
10:05:40 | Llorean | For example, on iPods and iAudios "Volume" doesn't adjust the line out level, while on the H100/H300 it does adjust the line out level. |
10:05:53 | JdGordon | :( |
10:06:24 | Llorean | In the future a target with an actual hardware EQ might choose not to apply it to the line out, or might even had an independent one for the line out |
10:06:41 | Llorean | Like I believe iPods have an independent gain we can set for the line out, we just currently set it at 0. |
10:07:51 | petur | wouldn't it be enough to have a different text description in the lang file for those targets? |
10:08:22 | Llorean | That would help some, yeah. |
10:09:39 | * | Llorean wants to know if Bass/Treble affects line out on all targets. |
10:10:09 | pixelma | on the Iaudio it does |
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10:12:30 | Llorean | And Gigabeat and H100 |
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10:29:15 | tucoz | Hi, if someone wants to update some missing things for the manual i have tried to sum up some showstoppers here: http://pastebin.com/m21bd966a |
10:38:18 | JdGordon | can we remove the "Broekn themes" sticky in the forums yet? |
10:39:07 | Llorean | yeah, I'd say so. |
10:39:14 | * | Llorean dislikes stickies. |
10:39:35 | tucoz | except forum guidelines? ;) |
10:39:39 | JdGordon | they are good... but its been 2 months so I think its fair enough to remove it |
10:39:51 | Llorean | tucoz: I think, generally, the more you have the less likely people are to read any of 'em. |
10:40:01 | Llorean | You can get away with maybe up to 3 before people start just ignoring them entirely. |
10:40:38 | tucoz | i know. i think i work that way myself |
10:41:12 | Llorean | So I've tried to keep the number down to as few as possible, but some sections just end up with more than others. |
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10:56:43 | amiconn | Llorean: It does on most targets, but not on all |
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10:57:23 | Llorean | amiconn: That's about what I suspected. |
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11:04:30 | PaulJam | hi, were there recently changes in rockbox that could have affected the H300 non-LCD remote? |
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11:10:41 | PaulJam | nevermind, the remote misbehaves with an older build too, so it is probably a hardware issue. Seems like my player is sowly falling apart :( |
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11:39:56 | preglow | amiconn: i expect i need to be able to record stuff on my nano to be able to test your work? |
11:42:51 | * | JdGordon doesnt like people who come and make 15 bug reports... (Jaykay) |
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12:14:03 | * | Llorean doesn't like people who make a half dozen bug reports, and mark them as "all targets" even when they're very target specific like battery lifetime. |
12:15:28 | JdGordon | well "all targets" is the default... |
12:15:46 | Llorean | He took the time to change other values, though |
12:16:09 | Llorean | Or... maybe he didn't. |
12:17:11 | gevaerts | He did. The bug about settings isn't marked Settings |
12:17:50 | Llorean | Hah. Lovely |
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12:43:16 | preglow | is changing the system->limits menu items still supposed to ask the user to reboot, but actually doesn't, or did that get fixed? |
12:43:29 | preglow | i remember i could make rockbox crash changing that before |
12:45:18 | Havien | mine didn't ask to reboot |
12:48:51 | preglow | no, it doesn't, and that might be a bug, can't look at the code atm |
12:49:07 | preglow | before it just changed the limit variables, but not the allocated memory, giving weird results |
12:49:24 | Havien | hmm |
12:53:21 | Llorean | preglow: I have some memory of the weirdness being fixed, but I'm not sure |
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13:05:46 | gevaerts | B4gder: I noticed that your buildall script also builds some non-release ports. Is this intentional? |
13:06:10 | B4gder | I didn't bother to fix it, it was copied from the daily build script |
13:07:01 | gevaerts | ok |
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13:24:20 | gevaerts | If we want to release soon, maybe it's time to get out sticks to hit people who don't edit the release notes |
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13:26:22 | markun | hi t0mas! |
13:26:37 | * | gevaerts waves |
13:27:21 | markun | t0mas: long time no see :) |
13:27:22 | t0mas | :D |
13:27:49 | markun | t0mas: what brings you here? |
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13:29:11 | t0mas | no real purpose.. just wondering how Rockbox was doing |
13:30:05 | B4gder | we still maintain the illusion there will be a 3.0 release! |
13:31:17 | linuxstb | Have we decided which targets will be in the 3.0 release? Or rather, which targets with current builds will be excluded? |
13:31:38 | B4gder | not really, no |
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13:39:07 | Llorean | It'll probably just happen similar to how the feature freeze started. |
13:39:44 | Llorean | A few of us wait for the rest of you guys to be asleep, then declare our own list of targets when there's nobody around to object to it. :-P |
13:40:04 | * | gevaerts will stay awake the entire week |
13:40:14 | Llorean | Though as far as I'm aware it's only really a matter of discussion for a couple players anyway. |
13:40:19 | * | B4gder will just wipe the server clean |
13:40:44 | Llorean | We could just post to -dev or such and have a quick vote on 1G2G and iAudio M3 was it? |
13:41:07 | B4gder | yes, at least one of the two users might reply :-] |
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13:41:20 | B4gder | *g* |
13:41:31 | gevaerts | B4gder: need help? I can click on links if you need to |
13:41:41 | B4gder | thanks! |
13:41:53 | Llorean | I think it's pretty safe to leave out both of those. |
13:42:07 | Llorean | They have quirks that I think go beyond "quirk" to "significant annoyance to regular users" |
13:43:10 | Llorean | And userbases so small it's possible nobody will even notice they were left out. |
13:43:26 | gevaerts | I think the lack of manual for the M3 alone is enough to disqualify it |
13:43:34 | B4gder | ah indeed |
13:44:01 | Llorean | That is a pretty major point against it. :) |
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13:45:23 | * | linuxstb would have liked all current builds to be included, but the lack of users likely to notice is a strong enough argument... |
13:45:47 | Llorean | linuxstb: The M3 requires shenanigans in order to charge at all. |
13:46:01 | Llorean | It doesn't really even have a normally accessible OF charging, or ability to charge while off IIUC. |
13:46:16 | pixelma | and it's not properly documented... |
13:46:30 | linuxstb | Yes, the lack of a manual is a show-stopper in itself. |
13:46:35 | pixelma | the charging trick I meant |
13:46:37 | * | B4gder pushes M3 out of the warm and comfy release pool |
13:46:44 | gevaerts | So it's in about the same state as the beast |
13:47:29 | Llorean | gevaerts: At least the beast can be made dual boot, then charged easily. |
13:47:49 | Llorean | Not for the regular user, I'll admit. But it's at least possible. |
13:48:11 | B4gder | well, I'd say a manual is a requirement for release |
13:48:22 | gevaerts | Llorean: exactly, and we don't even consider that port done |
13:48:22 | * | Llorean kinda likes the bootloader cookie idea for the 1G2G as a way to make them behave at least in a way a user can figure out. |
13:49:07 | pixelma | I don't see much difference in knowing how to boot into the OF for charging (and that you need to) and knowing how to get to the charging mode on M3 - you just need the howto on both |
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13:50:37 | gevaerts | If the charging is documented, it can be released and supported. But there's no manual to document it in... |
13:51:48 | Llorean | The charging requires the presence of a PC even though it has a separate charger, right? |
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13:53:26 | pixelma | yes, IIRC one needs to insert the charger while connected to USB. Then you can disconnect USB and it'll stay in the OF's charging screen |
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13:54:15 | pixelma | you could also charge from USB but this is slow because the OF keeps the disk spinning during the USB data connection |
13:57:23 | amiconn | Actually it's not the OF, but the cowon loader. M3/M5/X5 have no dualboot |
13:59:00 | petur | wasn't there a dualboot proposal for X5? |
13:59:13 | petur | a new one, that is - less hackish |
13:59:17 | pixelma | yep, even a patch |
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14:00:34 | * | Llorean brought it up at DevCon, or tried to. |
14:01:02 | Llorean | I think LinusN said he wanted to look at it, see exactly what it was doing, but got distracted by the H300 issues. |
14:01:55 | B4gder | we need monthly devcons! |
14:03:17 | Llorean | Quarterly release planning DevCons! We split the difference. |
14:03:31 | * | petur gives Llorean an angry look. Don't blame h300 |
14:04:54 | Llorean | petur: I'm not blaming it. It certainly takes higher priority. |
14:05:06 | Llorean | Goal 1 of the bootloader is to actually boot. Our X5 one at least does that still. :) |
14:05:14 | Llorean | Actually, maybe it doesn't. |
14:05:25 | * | Llorean doesn't actually know about current SVN builds of it. |
14:06:29 | gevaerts | Llorean: it does |
14:06:46 | Llorean | Good to know. |
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14:06:51 | Llorean | So see, H300 is much more important |
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14:59:05 | * | linuxstb moves here from #rockbox-community and would agree that FS #9354 is a bug, or at the very least a questionable design choice - fade should/could happen in the background, not controlled by the UI thread in a blocking way |
14:59:29 | LinusN | that is a remnant from the archos days |
14:59:37 | LinusN | a hack |
14:59:51 | linuxstb | Yes, I realise that. |
14:59:58 | * | Llorean personally really hates the fade. |
14:59:59 | Llorean | Oh. |
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15:00:08 | Llorean | For 3.0, do we want to consider changing some of the setting defaults? |
15:00:28 | Llorean | For example, a default of dircache on, or a higher amount for the max dirsize, or fade being disabled by default? |
15:01:20 | linuxstb | I wouldn't object - people have long been suggesting dircache should be on by default. I also think any database-related settings should be set to make database use as automatic as possible. |
15:01:26 | LinusN | higher dirsize on modern targets is a good idea |
15:01:38 | LinusN | i agree |
15:01:46 | Llorean | I think if dircache is good enough that we're willing to include it in the release, it's good enough to be enabled by default even if it has a few quirks. |
15:02:25 | linuxstb | What is the current dirsize? 400? |
15:02:28 | Llorean | And I think database should have everything default set up to be automatic so all a user needs to do is initialize it the first time. |
15:02:30 | Llorean | I believe so. |
15:02:33 | linuxstb | And that affects playlist size as well? |
15:02:39 | Llorean | Playlist size is separate. |
15:02:48 | Llorean | I think. |
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15:03:14 | * | Llorean thinks 10000 is a good playlist max, with 20000 for the 64MB targets since we know they're likely to have more disk space. |
15:03:23 | Llorean | People seem to like to shuffle all files. |
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15:07:32 | Llorean | While I like the idea of keeping the binary slim where possible, I don't think it's necessarily bad to waste RAM by setting limits too high so that people who don't know better at least are much, much less likely to run into the limits, and can lower those limits for the small performance gains they may offer. |
15:07:52 | LinusN | i agree totally |
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15:16:11 | BlueAidan_work | does the rockbox firmware support reading from ntfs? (i.e., formatting the ipod to ntfs)? |
15:16:16 | Llorean | JdGordon: Maybe change it to "Later" instead of "Won't fix"? |
15:16:18 | Llorean | BlueAidan_work: No. |
15:16:32 | BlueAidan_work | sigh |
15:16:38 | BlueAidan_work | ah well |
15:16:47 | Llorean | Why do you need NTFS? |
15:17:24 | BlueAidan_work | fat32 sucks... having to run chkdsk on 80GB right now |
15:17:34 | BlueAidan_work | somehow corrupted itself |
15:17:44 | Llorean | Disks don't really corrupt themselves. |
15:18:09 | Llorean | Something has to happen, somewhere. Bad software can corrupt any sort of filesystem. So can hardware failures, or interrupted transfers, or etc. |
15:18:31 | BlueAidan_work | all I can say is that it went from working fine to no music / errors when copying in one day |
15:18:54 | Llorean | Meanwhile, MP3 players are, mostly, read-often-write-few devices and the extra overhead of a more complex filesystem is pretty wasteful. |
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15:24:26 | GodEater | Llorean: which is why Microsoft implemented TFAT |
15:24:32 | GodEater | NTFS is just overkill for a DAP |
15:24:51 | GodEater | now if only there was an OSS implementation of TFAT ; |
15:24:53 | GodEater | :) |
15:24:53 | linuxstb | Isn't part of the Beast problem that host OSes don't support TFAT? |
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15:25:00 | linuxstb | Not even Windows... |
15:25:10 | GodEater | linuxstb: all my boxen appear to read it ok |
15:25:30 | GodEater | it's only Rockbox itself which is unhappy :( |
15:25:31 | linuxstb | You never get errors where the OF insists on a recovery/ |
15:25:32 | Llorean | Well, TFAT occurs on top of exFAT right? |
15:25:50 | Llorean | According to Microsoft's knowledge base thingy, at least. |
15:26:11 | LambdaCalculus37 | Llorean: I believe so. |
15:26:18 | * | LambdaCalculus37 checks MS's knowledge base |
15:26:19 | * | Llorean notes that Windows Vista tried to make him reformat his USB thumb stick as exFAT. |
15:26:32 | Llorean | Or was it one of my external drives. |
15:26:43 | GodEater | linuxstb: except in my case the OF says "I'm going to recover", and then never does. |
15:27:39 | LambdaCalculus37 | GodEater: You fell victim to the OF wiping everything away, too? |
15:27:49 | GodEater | LambdaCalculus37: that's happened to me twice now |
15:27:54 | * | linuxstb suspects the Beast will never be completely happy until we reflash it with our own bootloader, assuming we can... |
15:28:00 | GodEater | what's going on at the moment though is that Rockbox refuses to start |
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15:28:13 | GodEater | the bootloader says "File not found" and gives up |
15:28:35 | GodEater | while both Windows and Linux can see the .rockbox dir and it's contents just fine over USB. |
15:28:42 | GodEater | so our ATA driver is working at least ;) |
15:28:52 | * | LambdaCalculus37 hopes that we can get that damn charging code into the Gigabeat S port, so we can finally be rid of the OF |
15:29:11 | pixelma | LambdaCalculus37: re. one of your forum posts - I'm not sure and never tried myself but for some reason I think I read that mp3s copied over to a Sansa in MTP mode wouldn't work in Rockbox |
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15:29:29 | GodEater | I side with linuxstb here, I think we need to flash it, if at all possible |
15:29:43 | GodEater | pixelma: I've read that too |
15:30:02 | GodEater | no idea if it's true though |
15:30:09 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: Files transferred via MTP are stuck into a hidden folder on the Sansa, and are easily discoverable. |
15:30:35 | LambdaCalculus37 | The Gigabeat S does a similar thing: all content transferred via MTP is just simply shuffled into a /Content folder on the root of the main partition. |
15:30:37 | pixelma | nah, the Music folder is always hidden even if you use MSC mode |
15:31:18 | GodEater | LambdaCalculus37: they're not being DRM'd on the fly are they like on the Gigabeat F's OF ? |
15:31:34 | LambdaCalculus37 | GodEater: Nope. |
15:32:10 | LambdaCalculus37 | But IIRC the only difference is that the folder isn't hidden on the S. |
15:32:20 | GodEater | doesn't appear to be certainly |
15:32:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | GodEater: Hey, it's been a while. :P |
15:32:53 | * | GodEater 's S is a glorified HD at the moment |
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15:33:04 | Unhelpful | you can reformat the S as regular FAT32 if the parameters are right |
15:33:11 | Nico_P | LambdaCalculus37: in http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ReleaseNotes30#What_s_new you added a mention about new codecs... AFAIK 2.5 only supported HWCODEC targets, so there only was MP3 support |
15:33:16 | Unhelpful | if they're not right, the OF bootloader will reformat it as TFAT for you. |
15:33:18 | GodEater | Unhelpful: do you happen to know what those parameters are then ? |
15:33:30 | LambdaCalculus37 | Nico_P: Want me to add the other codecs? |
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15:34:12 | Unhelpful | i do: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatSInstallation#Formatting_the_storage_partition |
15:34:21 | Nico_P | LambdaCalculus37: not really. I think it would be more appropriate to say support was added for SWCODEC targets, with the abitility to play back a multitude of codecs |
15:34:28 | Nico_P | s/codecs/file types |
15:34:31 | LambdaCalculus37 | Nico_P: Editing now. |
15:34:41 | Unhelpful | 512k sectors, 64k clusters, volume label "TFAT" |
15:34:54 | pixelma | I remember that Rockbox didn't find the 4 or 5 example songs which came with my c250 |
15:35:18 | pixelma | but I don't know whether they were DRM'ed |
15:35:21 | Unhelpful | for me, anyway, formatting FAT32 seems to solve the bootloader-can't-find-rockbox issue |
15:35:35 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: I threw that folder out on my c240 when I got it. |
15:35:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | So I don't remember. |
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15:36:42 | LambdaCalculus37 | Nico_P: Fixed it up; wanna check it out? |
15:37:18 | amiconn | Unhelpful: 512*k* sectors?? |
15:38:33 | Unhelpful | guh. my bad. |
15:38:53 | Unhelpful | 512B sectors, 64KiB clusters, to be precise :/ |
15:38:53 | * | LambdaCalculus37 edits his forum post to clarify MTP mode |
15:39:02 | Nico_P | LambdaCalculus37: I think that's better |
15:39:33 | Nico_P | the what's new section is going to be extremely long :) |
15:39:59 | amiconn | 64K clusters is an extension microsoft once invented (for NT4, in order to push the fat16 limit a bit, fat32 did not exist yet) but discourages nowadays... |
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15:40:36 | Unhelpful | amiconn: i tried 512B sectors. i didn't try in between. since there's nothing on it right now anyway, i could test smaller sizes |
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15:49:52 | Unhelpful | actually, that'll be 32KiB clusters. it's 64 sectors/cluster. |
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15:50:33 | jeroen- | can anyone help me with putting wikipedia on my ipod g5? |
15:50:34 | kkurbjun | gevaerts: did you get my email? |
15:50:42 | jeroen- | using http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4755 |
15:51:04 | gevaerts | kkurbjun: yes. I'll look into it tonight |
15:51:16 | jeroen- | I understand compiling ans such and I'm running kubuntu hardu, but I don't where to start on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4755 |
15:51:55 | kkurbjun | great, let me know how it turns out |
15:52:16 | jeroen- | there are .zip's .tar.gz's , .diff's, .c's etc |
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15:52:50 | linuxstb | jeroen-: Reading the last comments, it would appear that the patch is out of sync with the current version of Rockbox, so you'll either need to fix that (which requires C programming skills), or use an old version of Rockbox (one from the same day as the patch). |
15:53:10 | linuxstb | jeroen-: This page explains how to use patches - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches |
15:53:15 | gevaerts | kkurbjun: I will |
15:53:47 | jeroen- | linuxstb: are you sure, it's only one saying that |
15:54:17 | jeroen- | but thanks anyhow |
15:54:27 | linuxstb | jeroen-: No - feel free to try yourself... |
15:54:54 | jeroen- | linuxstb: so I only have to use the latest patchfile |
15:55:06 | jeroen- | all the tar.gz's and zip's are not needed? |
15:55:52 | Unhelpful | 16KiB and 8KiB clusters both trigger OF format. i think i'll quit at that |
15:57:41 | linuxstb | jeroen-: I've never looked at that patch, but I'm guessing the .tar.gz and/or .zips are the actual dumps of wikipedia. You'll need that in addition to a patched version of Rockbox (which is what the .diff does) |
15:58:21 | jeroen- | I understand |
15:58:29 | markun | kkurbjun, gevaerts: what are you working on? |
15:58:36 | jeroen- | but I also understand that I have recompile rockbox myself |
15:58:40 | linuxstb | jeroen-: It's not an official part of Rockbox, so you may have more luck seeking help elsewhere - e.g. the misticriver thread linked in the very first post, or google... |
15:59:44 | jeroen- | yes and I don't have the time to fiddle with this |
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16:00:10 | jeroen- | maybe only putting the text files from the dutch wikipedia is a temp. workarounf |
16:00:11 | B4gder | ok, I'm off now and back again on the 18th |
16:00:12 | jeroen- | d |
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16:01:27 | kkurbjun | markun: the gigabeat F bootloader is apparently broken on some players (if not all). I have work that I have not committed on the bootloader (which works for me) and gevaerts has a player where the bootloader is not working. He is going to see if the build I have works for him |
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16:39:31 | pixelma | LambdaCalculus37: Rockbox does not find the album I just copied to my c200 in MTP mode, using WMP (and it was not nice, really). In contrast WMP found the 5 original example songs still on my Sansa - the only thing I didn't delete yet is the system folder which contains a subfolder called "MTP data" ... |
16:40:32 | pixelma | err "mtpcontent" |
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16:44:58 | AndyCR | I'm considering getting a sansa e260, but I hear that there are two revisions, one which works with rockbox and onw which doesn't. How do I make sure I get the correct revision? |
16:45:17 | dionoea | you check the firmware version number |
16:45:48 | dionoea | v1 is 1.* and v2 is 3.* if i remember correctly |
16:46:03 | GodEater | v1 is the one you want |
16:46:10 | GodEater | v2 doesn't work with Rockbox (yet) |
16:46:29 | AndyCR | Is there any way to tell before buying? |
16:46:39 | AndyCR | Outward appearance changes, etc? |
16:47:09 | dionoea | not that I know |
16:47:15 | dionoea | recent versions tend to be v2 |
16:47:30 | dionoea | although I bough a new v1 3 months ago in the netherlands |
16:48:10 | GodEater | the firmware revision is the only reliable way to tell |
16:48:31 | AndyCR | Since the only reason I would buy the device would be because of rockbox support, perhaps the best way is to buy one used and have the person check the firmware for me before I buy it |
16:48:41 | dionoea | that sounds like a good idea |
16:48:43 | {phoenix} | I've bought unfortunately the v2. On the box you can't can see this |
16:48:57 | AndyCR | Do you know how close support for the v2 model is to being implemented? |
16:49:14 | AndyCR | I hear Sandisk freely gave specs for v1, but then changed it's mind with v2 |
16:49:45 | {phoenix} | but I can see on the back of the mp3-player: model: e260v2 |
16:50:26 | AndyCR | ah, interesting |
16:50:32 | gevaerts | AndyCR: if you're in the US, have a look at www.froobi.com. They sell refurbished players and they test for v1 vs v2 |
16:50:33 | GodEater | <{phoenix}> even that is unreliable though |
16:50:42 | GodEater | we've had people find v1 in a v2 case |
16:50:45 | GodEater | and vice-versa |
16:50:49 | AndyCR | gevaerts: Thanks |
16:50:58 | gevaerts | AndyCR: and sandisk never gave specs. They only gave some players |
16:51:12 | GodEater | also - we don't give ETAs on when ports will be ready, since it's not possible. |
16:51:49 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: Thanks for testing. :) |
16:51:58 | LambdaCalculus37 | I'm sorry you had to put up with WMP. |
16:55:27 | AndyCR | also, I'm curious about the development process |
16:55:44 | AndyCR | One of the reasons I want to use rockbox is because it's open source |
16:55:56 | AndyCR | In your experience, is the source pretty clean and interesting to tweak? |
16:56:02 | svpe | take a look at flyspray and the svn repository then :) |
16:56:19 | LambdaCalculus37 | AndyCR: If we wrote it, we should know, right? ;) |
16:56:20 | AndyCR | Thanks, I'll look |
16:56:26 | GodEater | bits of the code are clean, bits of it are less so ;) |
16:56:33 | svpe | imho it's quite nice. (and i didn't wrote it :p) |
16:56:37 | Nico_P | AndyCR: iin my experience, the source is nice and clean :) |
16:56:39 | GodEater | *cough*playback.c*cough* |
16:56:43 | AndyCR | :) |
16:56:46 | LambdaCalculus37 | There's some spots that do need some fixing up. |
16:56:48 | AndyCR | So what compiler do you use? |
16:56:53 | LambdaCalculus37 | gcc. |
16:57:06 | Nico_P | GodEater: hehe, it has gotten better |
16:57:10 | AndyCR | Do you have to do development from Linux, or can you compile from Windows as well? |
16:57:16 | GodEater | Nico_P: still not bug free though right ? :) |
16:57:22 | Nico_P | not quite |
16:57:34 | GodEater | AndyCR: you need a posix like environment |
16:57:42 | GodEater | which on windows means one of three options |
16:57:47 | GodEater | cygwin, vmware, or colinux |
16:57:59 | AndyCR | Thanks. I'll check out the source |
16:58:25 | AndyCR | I don't suppose there's an emulator of some kind to test rockbox on a PC? |
16:58:33 | GodEater | yes :) |
16:58:39 | GodEater | we have simulator builds |
16:58:42 | AndyCR | :) You seem to have all the bases covered |
16:58:57 | GodEater | anyone know if rasher's builds are up to date ? |
16:59:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | AndyCR: Always gotta be prepared, y'know? ;) |
16:59:20 | GodEater | AndyCR: rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator/">http://www.rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator/ <−− there you go |
16:59:27 | GodEater | (I assume from your question that you're on windows) |
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17:00:22 | AndyCR | thanks |
17:01:17 | * | GodEater wonders if Nico_P is the only person who thinks playback.c is "nice and clean" these days |
17:02:20 | Nico_P | GodEater: it certainly isn't, but it has gotten more manageable |
17:02:40 | GodEater | good to know |
17:02:40 | Nico_P | there is still a long way to go before it can be said to be nice and clean |
17:03:04 | GodEater | but it's just awful now, instead of truly abysmal ? :) |
17:05:06 | Nico_P | you got it ;) |
17:05:12 | * | GodEater is well aware of course that any improvement at all has been down to the blood, sweat and tears of Nico_P and is in awe of it :) |
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17:08:40 | Nico_P | :) |
17:09:04 | Unhelpful | just rewrite it in whitespace. couldn't be cleaner. |
17:10:38 | dionoea | That's a very unhelpful comment :) |
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17:17:52 | AndyCR | Running the simulator, and it's very nice. I like it a lot. I do have an issue, though. If I select a video file, it plays the audio from it in the audio player but no video. Is that just a simulator issue? It seems like it's just a plugin missing |
17:18:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | AndyCR: The Mpegplayer plugin is included with every build that supports it. What kind of video file are you trying to play? |
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17:19:20 | AndyCR | LambdaCalculus37: I tried an MP4 file and an AVI file |
17:19:29 | AndyCR | The AVI file didn't show up in the file browser |
17:19:30 | GodEater | Rockbox only supports Mpeg1/2 |
17:19:32 | skatteola | I'm having some trouble with using meizu_dfu for my meizu m6 on an ibook running osx.. any known limitations? :) |
17:19:38 | AndyCR | Ah. That's why. Thanks. |
17:20:05 | GodEater | and .mp4 is one of the extensions rockbox expects for aac files iirc |
17:20:16 | skatteola | Maybe just the fact that I'm trying to load a m6sl rockboot.ebn on it? :p |
17:20:37 | markun | skatteola: is it a PPC ibook? |
17:20:51 | skatteola | yeah, it is.. endian trouble? |
17:20:56 | markun | yes |
17:20:57 | LambdaCalculus37 | AndyCR: There's a page on the wiki explaining the Mpegplayer plugin, and also how you can transcode videos to the proper MPEG1/2 format Rockbox uses. |
17:21:13 | GodEater | AndyCR: we even recommend a couple of tools for doing that |
17:21:18 | markun | skatteola: I fixed it on my ibook (running linux) but forgot to commit |
17:21:30 | markun | I'll try to do it tonight |
17:21:32 | AndyCR | I also tried WMV, which I assume it thought was just straight WMA |
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17:21:42 | AndyCR | Thanks |
17:21:42 | GodEater | possibly |
17:21:44 | skatteola | ah, ok, sounds great :) thanks |
17:21:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | AndyCR: No problem. :) |
17:22:16 | LambdaCalculus37 | markun: On that note, I was also having some trouble with meizu_dfu on my PowerBook as well (PPC). |
17:22:26 | markun | skatteola: btw, I had to make some changes on my PC running FreeBSD, so you might get into the same problems |
17:22:56 | markun | LambdaCalculus37: any luck with the nano yet? |
17:23:28 | skatteola | What kind of changes? It seems to progress nicely until it comes to the "while (dfu_ret[4] != 0x07)" loop after having written the file |
17:23:47 | markun | skatteola: I had to disable the get_cpu() calls |
17:23:55 | LambdaCalculus37 | markun: Can't do anything with the endian troubles with meizu_dfu, and I haven't had a chance to try an alternate solution yet. |
17:24:16 | markun | so if you get past that I guess it's just the endian issue |
17:24:26 | markun | skatteola: are you planning to work on the port? |
17:24:35 | skatteola | the get_cpu() calls seems to be working fine indeed |
17:25:05 | gevaerts | markun: I'm pretty sure the get_cpu()s are not needed, except of course if you want to use the result |
17:25:35 | skatteola | I'm certainly somewhat interested in it, but both knowledge and time might be in a bit lacking at the moment so at this time I'm just interested in getting the toolchain and all working I guess :) |
17:26:09 | LambdaCalculus37 | skatteola: You can always help us test out code. :) |
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17:26:51 | skatteola | Sure :) |
17:29:46 | skatteola | Also, meizu_dfu completely hangs (and leaves a process in uninterruptible wait) if you start it after having let go of both power and the "m" button. This seems to happen at usb_find_devices() though, so I guess that's more of a libusb issue? |
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17:29:59 | skatteola | Or osx issue, possibly |
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17:34:11 | markun | skatteola: you have an M6SP? |
17:34:19 | skatteola | Yeah |
17:34:52 | markun | gevaerts and I both have have the SL, there you don't need to keep M pressed |
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17:35:06 | markun | maybe wpyh knows more about it |
17:37:12 | skatteola | Just tried again to be sure, and it does indeed hang |
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17:44:31 | AndyCR | I got video working, thanks |
17:45:12 | AndyCR | On a side note, is smooth video possible, or is the hardware just too low-powered to manage it? I notice the video is a bit choppy; not unusably so, just curious whether it can be improved |
17:45:27 | AndyCR | (Through some kind of encoding trick, etc.) |
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17:51:09 | LambdaCalculus37 | AndyCR: Some of the supported platforms (PortalPlayer-based targets like the iPod, for example) aren't powerful enough to handle video playback at full speed. |
17:51:26 | LambdaCalculus37 | The iPod video is especially slow at video playback. |
17:55:44 | AndyCR | I'm running the Sansa E200 simulator |
17:55:52 | Unhelpful | for iPod video you're really better off using the official firmware for video playback |
17:58:23 | markun | AndyCR: better try it on the e200 itself |
17:59:23 | LambdaCalculus37 | AndyCR: markun is right. The hardware itself will give you a much better estimate of video performance. |
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18:00:26 | AndyCR | I wondered whether that was the case |
18:00:38 | AndyCR | Is it almost certainly better on the device itself? |
18:00:43 | AndyCR | Or could it be worse? |
18:01:45 | AndyCR | The manufacturer firmware uses some terrible "motion jpeg" format that I'm extremely leery of, so i would much prefer to use rockbox if it's at all possible |
18:02:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | AndyCR: On the e200, I would give it a 3.5 out of 5 (my honest opinion). Not to shabby for animation, but may not be so great for live-action stuff. |
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18:03:15 | LambdaCalculus37 | AndyCR: But it's up to you, the user, to form an opinion on it. |
18:03:56 | AndyCR | My planned usage is mostly MP3's and a few TV episodes when trapped on a plane, bus, etc. Can you watch it for an hour without getting a headache? |
18:04:09 | AndyCR | (Though I wonder whether the battery would hold out for that kind of usage...) |
18:05:01 | LambdaCalculus37 | AndyCR: It all depends. Some people can, and some can't. There's not really a set "everyone can take it" on watching videos on the Sansa's screen. |
18:05:44 | markun | AndyCR: here you can see what kind of framerate to expect: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer#Performance |
18:05:56 | AndyCR | I see they're about $40 used, so it's a good deal if it's decent |
18:06:00 | markun | so 27fps with the fullscreen video |
18:06:31 | AndyCR | markun: Thanks. 27 is perfect. |
18:06:48 | AndyCR | Just about cable TV framerate, if I'm not mistaken |
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18:07:26 | markun | AndyCR: it will fluctuate a bit. Some scenes are easier to decode than others. And if the CPU can't keep up it will just skip a frame |
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20:11:18 | * | gevaerts wonders if he's supposed to confuse playback so easily |
20:13:29 | n1s | hey! don't you go dig up any showstoppers now! :P |
20:14:32 | gevaerts | I didn't want to do it! |
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20:17:28 | gevaerts | On c200 : enable keyclicks, remove earphones from ears (important!), start playing first mp3 in directory, after a few seconds start seeking back, hold seek a while after reaching start of file, press play/pause a few times |
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20:18:14 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: Does the strength of the keyclicks matter? |
20:18:26 | gevaerts | Sometimes I get a serious bleeping sound, sometimes it just half-hangs (i.e. no freeze) |
20:18:38 | gevaerts | LambdaCalculus37: I set it to strong, but I doubt if it matters |
20:18:53 | gevaerts | You can get it back to working state by exiting the wps |
20:19:08 | gevaerts | (sometimes also by pressing other keys) |
20:20:02 | gevaerts | However, I tried the same thing on my mini and while the WPS screen seems functional (scrolling text and everything), no button has any effect other than turning on the backlight |
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20:21:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: I just got a very nasty sound out of my c200 that can best be described as "ZFFFRRRZZZZZZZ". |
20:21:11 | gevaerts | ok, I managed to exit the WPS on the mini, but now it's also emitting a nasty high tone |
20:21:24 | LambdaCalculus37 | But mine doesn't hang or anything like that. |
20:22:04 | gevaerts | It doesn't always hang. Sometimes it just doesn't play any more but you can still skip to the next track which gets it going again |
20:22:19 | * | gevaerts is happy that he saw Nico_P join a moment ago :) |
20:22:25 | LambdaCalculus37 | Playback isn't working now. |
20:22:32 | * | LambdaCalculus37 shuts off the c200 and tries again. |
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20:22:50 | Nico_P | gevaerts: because of the keyclik bug? |
20:23:30 | gevaerts | Nico_P: I'm not sure where the bug is. keyclick seems involved, but that's all I know |
20:25:00 | LambdaCalculus37 | Actually, keyclick on the c200 doesn't even seem to work correctly. |
20:25:56 | gevaerts | Is there some sort of software WPS pseudo-hold on ipod? |
20:28:28 | gevaerts | Nico_P: I can confuse playback by seeking to the start of the file, holding the seek key, pressing play, releasing the seek key, and releasing play |
20:29:21 | gevaerts | the seek-back icon is shown, and nothing happens (even exiting the wps or changing volume doesn't work) until I seek forward |
20:29:29 | gevaerts | c200, keyclick set to off |
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20:30:15 | gevaerts | So from what I can see keyclick only adds the ear-piercing noises to it |
20:30:33 | pixelma | the "keyclick" caused nasty loud beeeeps when voice was enabled until pondlife "fixed" it which in turn meant that it doesn't click reliably |
20:31:20 | pixelma | on portalplayer targets |
20:32:12 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: I just caused a similar effect, except that on mine, it jumped forward one track in the folder, and the seek back icon was still displaying along with the track information from the first track selected. |
20:32:23 | LambdaCalculus37 | The progress bar was also frozen in place. |
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20:33:22 | gevaerts | The seek-left+play block happens at least on c200, ipod mini and x5 |
20:33:44 | * | LambdaCalculus37 has no music to try out on his 2G iPod |
20:33:47 | gevaerts | Of course this just means "don't press two buttons at the same time" |
20:34:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | But what about the sudden jumping of tracks? |
20:34:47 | gevaerts | Was that also with more than one button pressed at the same time? |
20:35:41 | LambdaCalculus37 | Yes. |
20:36:09 | gevaerts | I guess playback doesn't handle that well. I also guess that it isn't really usual behaviour though |
20:36:44 | gevaerts | So this isn't a blocker as far as I am concerned |
20:37:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | Good. :) |
20:38:38 | gevaerts | The combination with keyclick could be bad though |
20:39:02 | * | gevaerts installs spyware on all rockbox players to find out how many people use it |
20:40:52 | scotty_007 | gevaerts: but how to get the data? usb-tcp/ip-stack ;) |
20:41:25 | gevaerts | scotty_007: we integrate that with last.fm |
20:41:31 | funman | using sound waves instead of radio waves ? |
20:46:06 | funman | http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/7180811/claims.html |
20:46:20 | funman | doesn't look like an invention to me |
20:46:36 | funman | in any case, not made in 2007 |
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20:49:54 | * | gevaerts submitted a bug report about the multiple button issue |
20:50:33 | funman | gevaerts: which debugging tools can you use to debug such a problem ? |
20:50:48 | funman | excepting the simulator |
20:51:12 | gevaerts | funman: mainly your brain I expect, and probably logf() |
20:51:32 | funman | right |
20:51:48 | * | gevaerts hasn't actually tried to debug playback issues yet |
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21:31:17 | Nico_P | scotty_007: pong |
21:36:50 | scotty_007 | Nico_P: the pictureflow fixes yesterday (r18454) introduced a bug in the pf-tracklist, as i told you. tried it today with a downloaded current RB on my ipod. i think kugel did not see it, cause he tested with ShowFPS enabled. it occurs only when ShowFPS is disabled: the y-position index of the tracklist ist increased endlessly, so the tracklist is show outside the screen |
21:37:28 | Nico_P | ok, I'll give it a try |
21:39:00 | scotty_007 | Nico_P: I think, this patch fixes (and describes) the problem: http://pastebin.ca/1198443 |
21:40:46 | scotty_007 | titletxt_y is declared static and not initialised if not all tracks fit on the screen and showfps is off |
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21:41:38 | Nico_P | scotty_007: ah, thanks for the patch :) |
21:42:32 | scotty_007 | thanks for rockbox! i would never use my ipod with OF ;) |
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21:43:42 | Nico_P | heh, I'm not the one to thank ;) |
21:44:22 | scotty_007 | but part of it |
21:44:43 | gevaerts | scotty_007: you just provided a patch, you're part of it too! |
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21:47:55 | scotty_007 | gevaerts: and as part if it I will try your FS #9391 tomorrow on my ipod color ;) |
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