#rockbox 2008-09-10

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#rockbox log for 2008-09-10

00:00:06	*	amiconn came across this WM8731 driver bug while defining lots of macros for the WM8975
00:00:16	amiconn	The fix should probably go into 3.0
00:00:41	amiconn	It might not be that important though
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00:16:00	amiconn	Looks like several targets fail in adhering to the philosophy to give the user all the controls the hardware offers
00:16:14	amiconn	E.g the WM8975 has selectable bass & treble cutoff
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00:41:01	Hillshum	what's the best way to view a disam.txt file?
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00:42:01	wyatt___	hey guys, i need help
00:42:13	advcomp2019	wyatt___, say what you need
00:42:23	wyatt___	can i put rockbox on a newsmy mp4 player
00:42:31	Hillshum	no
00:42:36	wyatt___	http://mp4nation.net/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=167:679248978d032d7d5eb940413937080f
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00:42:40	wyatt___	are you sure
00:42:50	wyatt___	the file manager thats on it blows
00:43:19	wyatt___	is there anything i could use
00:43:22	Hillshum	see http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TargetStatus for supported devices
00:44:51	Hillshum	Does Cygwin have a good way to view disam.txt files?
00:45:05	wyatt___	i want to try something better than what is has, does anyone know of any other sorts of things i could try???
00:46:01	Hillshum	ebay
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00:46:45	bluebrother	Hillshum: use less or vim?
00:46:48	wyatt___	no thanks, i want to try different firmware or some other file manager thats works with winmo 6 ce
00:46:54	Hillshum	Cygwin
00:47:09	Hillshum	wait...?
00:49:20	wyatt___	"The Cygwin DLL currently works with all recent, commercially released x86 32 bit and 64 bit versions of Windows, with the exception of Windows CE"
00:49:22	Hillshum	bluebrother:less?
00:50:36	bluebrother	I'm not exactly sure what you want to do. To view a text file you can use "less file.txt"
00:51:28	Hillshum	oh
00:52:26	bluebrother	or open it up in any text editor you like −− either directly from windows or use a command line text editor. vim is one you could use, or try joe
00:52:39	bluebrother	or emacs.
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00:56:04	markun	wyatt___: any idea what kind of hardware is inside that player?
00:56:20	markun	CPU architecture
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00:57:13	MarcGuay	Disclaimer: I have a question regarding C programming with the purpose of porting RB.
00:57:17	Hillshum	what CPU
00:57:20	Hillshum	??
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00:58:23	markun	Hillshum: talking to me?
00:58:26	MarcGuay	I've included a header file in telechips.c which has function stubs (not the right term, but "void function(void);"), and a matching .c file which contains those functions, but I get an implicit declaration error when building. Any, thoughts?
00:58:45	Hillshum	markun: yes
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01:00:01	markun	Hillshum: in that case I don't understand what you wanted to say/ask
01:00:15	Hillshum	what kind of CPU?
01:00:22	MarcGuay	The .c file #includes the .h file.
01:00:22	Ctcp	Time on #rockbox from delt_away!i=1000@66.234.26.5
01:01:16	markun	Hillshum: yes, that's what I wanted to know
01:01:43	*	MarcGuay goes to study the C Header File wikipedia page again...
01:02:01	Hillshum	yeah, now if wyatt___ would answer..
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01:12:59	markun	Hillshum: I couldn't find anything unfortunately. Time for sleep.
01:13:16	Hillshum	not that i really care
01:13:31	Hillshum	to busy porting to sansa v2 for another target
01:13:39	Hillshum	time to go
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01:14:33	amiconn	The WM codecs have an interesting, modular register layout
01:14:53	wyatt___	markun: ive looked all over and i cant find it. its a clone/mp4 player so ...
01:15:15	advcomp2019	wyatt___, open it an find out
01:15:19	amiconn	Registers with identical function have identical register numbers, and it even looks like the bit positions are also the same
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01:16:06	wyatt___	upon opening it, will a banner pop out and tell me?
01:16:09	amiconn	If a function became upgraded and uses different settings now, the old registers/ positions are reserved
01:17:23	advcomp2019	wyatt___, not sure.. some chips might say and others might not
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01:21:44	wyatt___	i dont think i will, i know about computers, not mp3 players.
01:24:04	*	MarcGuay trips over the firmware/SOURCES file.
01:25:31	wyatt___	i found out that it runs @ 200mhz. that should help you gather your advice advcomp
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01:40:01	wyatt____	anyone have ay advice for that newsmy mtouch i mentioned??? 200mHz. useless file manager. ANY ADVICE???
01:40:27	krazykit	wyatt____, my advice; sell it and buy something actually supported by rockbox.
01:40:29	scorche\|sh	...huh?
01:40:47	wyatt____	i want to but no one wants not an ipod.
01:41:00	wyatt____	ppl dont understand what it is
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01:46:21	ea_suter	hi
01:46:37	ea_suter	does anyone know if rockbox will work on a sansa e280
01:46:47	krazykit	ea_suter, provided it's a v1 sansa, yes.
01:46:54	wyatt____	yes it will, not v2
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01:47:08	ea_suter	hmm, how can I check that?
01:47:46	krazykit	check the firmware revision; if it's 1.x, it's a v1. if it's 3.x, it's a v2
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01:55:35	webguest65	help!
01:55:57	webguest65	in my e260 rockbox database I cnt see the new songs I added
01:56:10	webguest65	and in files>photos there aren't any
01:58:26	*	amiconn wonders why WM8975 recording (ipods..) doesn't enable audio outputs
01:58:36	amiconn	This way there's no monitoring...
01:58:58	ea_suter	well, I havent bought the e280 yet...just one last question though, does the e280 firmware suck very badly or is it endurable?
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02:00:10	krazykit	ea_suter, if you're buying it new, it very well may be a v2
02:00:34	ea_suter	i see...
02:02:29	MarcGuay	webguest65: search the manual for "Show Files" and "Database"
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02:05:08	amiconn	Also, why audio_enable_recording() resets *everything on wm8975 is beyond me...
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02:10:43	ea_suter	whats the problem with the firmware compatibility though?
02:10:58	krazykit	the problem is the v2 has completely different hardware.
02:11:05	ea_suter	just asking cause if i get one I might try hacking at it ;)
02:11:25	krazykit	there is a port effort in the New Ports forum that you could check out :)
02:11:34	ea_suter	nice
02:12:17	ea_suter	dont have much experience with this kind of thing though. the most advanced "embedded" programming i've done so far is mips assembly :(
02:12:42	krazykit	sounds like a good time to learn, hmm? :)
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02:13:24	ea_suter	yeah
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02:22:08	amiconn	Does anyone know where to buy ipod dock connectors?
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03:01:29	VirtualX1	hey, can someone help me?
03:02:37	advcomp2019	VirtualX1, what can we help you with withou knowing what to help with
03:02:44	advcomp2019	without*
03:02:44	VirtualX1	im trying to change my macpod to a winpod, and the instructions at the wiki arent working
03:03:12	VirtualX1	when i try to rewrite the table, it says permission denied
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04:46:39	tlkg	hey does anyone know that status of the port to the ipod classic?
04:47:15	HBK	i'm sure that would be on the wiki
04:48:06	tlkg	all it says is that it is not supported
04:48:19	tlkg	i dont know if anyone is working on it or not though
04:48:38	advcomp2019	look in the "new ports" in forums
04:55:49	Darksair	tlkg: That will might be quiet a long time to wait
04:56:34	tlkg	honestly all i really want is a 160gb drive. if i could cram that into a 5gen then i would be happy.
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04:57:56	advcomp2019	you could.. have you looked at the hard drive replacement wiki
04:58:45	tlkg	im looking at some other site right now. its in the rockbox wiki?
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05:00:33	advcomp2019	here is the wiki: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HardDriveReplacement
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05:01:56	tlkg	ive got a 60gb video so i would assume that as long as i get a 8mm with zif connection i should be fine right?
05:03:34	advcomp2019	if you read the wiki page right you should be ok.. there is models there too
05:03:54	tlkg	thanks
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08:14:13	amiconn	advcomp2019: Fyi: if someone wants a 160GB drive in any rockbox target (precisely: A drive larger than 136GB, i.e. 128GiB), it needs a custom rockbox build to make full use of it
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08:15:53	advcomp2019	o ok thanks.. i did not know, amiconn
08:16:12	zimba42	i got two sansa e200v2 devices today.. what can I do to support rockbox development for those?
08:16:26	amiconn	Also, on some older targets (doesn't apply to ipods), it's not possible to present the whole drive capacity via USB, if the USB-ATA bridge doesn't support the required LBA48 ATA protocol extension. There's a workaround to make use of the complete disk capacity in rockbox in this case, needing some more options in the custom build
08:17:29	amiconn	On ipods, the question will be whether the OF resp. diskmode support LBA48. If they don't, the custom build would need to have rockbox USB enabled (with all its current quirks)
08:20:09	advcomp2019	amiconn, could that info be helpful on that page?
08:20:13	amiconn	That said, once these drives become more widespread, we should probably enable LBA48 support in rockbox by default, at least for those targets where it can also be supported in USB mode and which aren't short on RAM
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08:21:14	amiconn	There is a page about this already, albeit focusing on archos and the necessary workaround for the limitation of the usb-ata bridge
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08:22:22	advcomp2019	o ok.. like i said i did not know this, sorry
08:29:52	GodEater	why don't we enable LBA48 by default?
08:30:06	GodEater	is it a real performance hit having to do all the extra ATA register writes ?
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08:38:25	_emp	howdy
08:40:42	JdGordon	GodEater: it only makes sense of course on the targets which that limit is actually possible to hit... are there any 136GB+ drives available for the current hdd targets?
08:43:04	GodEater	yes, but is the reason we keep it off because it DOES cause a performance hit on targets that don't need it ?
08:43:12	GodEater	or is there something else I'm missing ?
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08:44:03	amiconn	It doesn't cause a noticeable performance hit at all
08:44:30	amiconn	All the extra register writes are only done if the disk actually needs lba48
08:44:43	GodEater	bin size then ?
08:44:48	amiconn	All that happens for an lba28 disk is an extra if() check
08:45:02	amiconn	Yes, bin size, and untestedness
08:45:06	GodEater	right
08:45:11	GodEater	thank you :)
08:46:25	amiconn	Once a dev has access to such an 1.8" 160GB hdd, it should be tested in as many targets as possible
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10:45:14	gevaerts	amiconn: the rockbox MSC implementation doesn't support those large disks yet either, although implementing that shouldn't be too difficult (basically implementing the READ16 and WRITE16 scsi commands)
10:48:15	amiconn	Doesn't scsi have a natural limit of 2TB (i.e. 32 bit sector addresses) by default?
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11:26:06	directhex	a fresh RB install on my gigabeat seems to have gotten it working again, but there's one oddity - it won't warm boot (i.e. if i turn it off, it won't turn on again unless i flip the battery switch to off, wait a few seconds, then back to on)
11:26:37	markun	directhex: gigabeat F?
11:26:41	directhex	yeah
11:26:55	markun	I've never seen that, but I haven't updated in a few weeks either
11:27:52	directhex	it's a "current build" from the rockbox website from a couple of days ago
11:28:09	directhex	since album art is mainline now, no more need to patch/build myself
11:28:49	markun	you could try to update the bootloader as well, but it's probably already the current one
11:29:01	markun	since we haven't updated it in a while
11:30:20	directhex	how long is "a while"?
11:30:41	directhex	i last updated a year ago, so i have whichever bootloader was current in sept '07
11:30:53	GodEater	I thought the current F bootloader was "broken"?
11:31:21	directhex	GodEater: define ""broken""
11:31:40	GodEater	I don't know - gevaerts was claiming he was going to look into it
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11:33:15	gevaerts	current as in current svn, not as in latest released
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11:34:00	JdGordon	speaking of broken... my e200 started crashing for no apparent reason today :( first time in AGES
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11:49:08	JdGordon	gevaerts: (re fs#9391) well dont do that then.... :p
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11:58:15	gevaerts	JdGordon: that's why I don
11:58:23	gevaerts	't consider it a 3.0 blocker :)
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12:33:22	linuxstb	directhex: The Gigabeat F bootloader was last updated in April 2007, so if you installed in September 2007, you'll have the latest.
12:33:58	directhex	hm. i wonder why it won't boot properly then
12:34:10	directhex	i'd blame the hardware, but it's fine from cold boot
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13:27:36	iPodClock	Hello
13:28:48	markun	hi there iPodClock
13:28:51	iPodClock	I was wondering if anyone could tell me if MPEG is the only video format that rockbox supports?
13:29:01	markun	yes, it is
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13:29:11	iPodClock	right
13:29:25	iPodClock	Looks like I've got to convert all my files agan
13:29:27	iPodClock	hah
13:29:30	Llorean	linuxstb: I think if it's a safe assumption that there will only ever be one file, distributing the .exe is fine, but I don't see any actual harm to it being a .zip, and that at least means that future versions won't be changing the instructions.
13:29:31	iPodClock	again*
13:29:32	markun	(we have another format, but that only works on very old Archos players)
13:29:54	markun	iPodClock: which player do you have?
13:30:03	iPodClock	I'm using an iPod Video, I must say I am very impressed with rockbox
13:30:25	iPodClock	despite the off putting skin screenshots I saw on wikipedia.
13:30:33	markun	I think for ipod video you would be much better of playing the videos in the original firmware
13:30:50	iPodClock	yeah, but I don't want to keep swapping over
13:30:51	markun	it has a special chip for decoding video which we can't use
13:30:56	iPodClock	ah
13:31:26	Llorean	Basically, quality and performance will be worse for video in Rockbox on the iPod Video, at least until such time as we can use that chip (which may be never).
13:31:55	iPodClock	that's kinda lame :/
13:32:05	iPodClock	Damn apple
13:33:21	LambdaCalculus37	iPodClock: We're basically rendering the entire video in software. Couple that with the fact that the iPod video's 320x240 LCD doesn't make things any faster.
13:33:27	linuxstb	Llorean: No-one can say what rbutil will be in the future, so I don't think that should affect what we do now - currently it's just a single .exe file, almost the same size as a .zip, so I don't see the point in zipping it, and adding another step to the process
13:34:16	iPodClock	Ok, thanks for the help anyway :)
13:34:44	markun	you're welcome
13:34:45	iPodClock	Can I switch between rockbox and my original firmware without deleting rockbox then?
13:34:50	iPodClock	say, I'm at college or work
13:35:00	LambdaCalculus37	Yes you can. It's documented in the manual.
13:35:00	Llorean	Yes. Just turn off the ipod, then immediately after turning it back on, put on the hold switch
13:35:06	Llorean	It should start you in the Apple OS.
13:35:09	iPodClock	ah
13:35:12	iPodClock	Thank you!
13:35:14	Llorean	To get back to Rockbox, you'll have to hold Menu+Select to reboot
13:35:19	iPodClock	yeah ;)
13:35:20	LambdaCalculus37	Simple as pie. :)
13:35:37	iPodClock	simple pies, are usually the best
13:35:52	*	linuxstb prefers to turn off, then press MENU to turn it back on, keeping his finger held on MENU
13:36:23	LambdaCalculus37	You can also get into the OF by turning off the device, clicking HOLD on, then connecting it to a computer.
13:36:59	LambdaCalculus37	It's all here... in our lovely manual, which can be yours! For only... 2 seconds of download time! :)
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13:38:03	iPodClock	I've been reading the online manual
13:38:20	iPodClock	very helpful, I just couldn't find anything about video formats.
13:38:53	iPodClock	oh god
13:38:58	iPodClock	as soon as I went back on it
13:39:06	iPodClock	I noticed the huge "File Formats" link
13:40:30	LambdaCalculus37	Rockbox only plays MPEG1/2 videos. There's a page on the wiki that'll tell you more:http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer
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14:35:11	kugel	Nico_P: Sorry for the bug I introduced :S
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14:47:25	Nico_P	kugel: I tried to reproduce it but couldn't. have you managed?
14:47:50	kugel	Nico_P: Well no
14:50:52	funman	kugel: how is your fuze working ? can you still use the buttons without the wheel ?
14:51:14	kugel	funman: it's in the package on his way back to the shop
14:53:30	kugel	Nico_P: Ah wait, yes, it's reproducable without showing fps
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14:54:11	kugel	Nico_P: The fix is trivial though. Initializing titletxt_y with 0 should do it
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19:23:16	wpyh	hi all
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19:23:35	wpyh	does anyone here feel there's a problem with the organization of the current source tree?
19:24:15	gevaerts	you?
19:24:45	wpyh	yeah
19:24:49	wpyh	I do feel there's a problem
19:24:56	wpyh	the whole build tree feels clunky
19:24:57	wpyh	:p
19:25:06	gevaerts	In what way?
19:25:15	svpe	well, i've been digging into it the last two days and it's imho quite well organized.
19:25:45	wpyh	1. some binaries are built outside the tree, some are inside. target builds are outside, utilities, tools, etc. are inside
19:26:22	gevaerts	ah, ok. Yes, I must agree that that's not perfect
19:26:36	wpyh	2. sometimes "make" doesn't pick up source code changes. I had a bad build a couple of weeks ago (can't play ogg files at all) and remaking doesn't help. I had to delete the build tree and start over
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19:26:53	gevaerts	true, patches welcome :)
19:27:11	wpyh	gevaerts: I don't have a good idea on how to fix it though...
19:27:42	wpyh	like, how the source builds should be arranged ideally
19:27:45	wpyh	but I'll think about it
19:28:53	funman	does this routine look valid for sleeping X milliseconds ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/45431/
19:29:50	funman	if the msleep_loop is effectively 1ms, one iteration over subs and bne is 1us, with a cpu clock which rings 250 times per microseconde
19:30:19	wpyh	funman: seems like a busy loop to me
19:30:50	wpyh	btw
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19:30:53	funman	wpyh: this is the intended feature, but I need precise timing, and am looking for ~100 nanoseconds delay
19:31:34	wpyh	funman: hm...
19:31:34	n1s	wpyh: there's a bug in the build system that makes it necessary to 'make' twice when changing a codec, also in some cases 'make clean' is necessary...
19:31:47	wpyh	n1s: so it's a known bug?
19:32:02	funman	and I just don't understand how 2 instructions last 250 cpu clocks
19:32:32	funman	this cpu should be able to do 200MIPS but maybe when branching this adds another delay
19:32:51	n1s	wpyh: FS #6847
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19:38:46	wpyh	funman: sorry, I can't comment anymore...
19:39:22	wpyh	n1s: thanks
19:40:10	funman	wpyh: np
19:41:52	funman	or maybe the clock isn't at 250MHz when it boots ...
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19:45:05	funman	I found linux/arch/arm/lib/delay.S
19:47:50	wpyh	funman: what does it do?
19:48:07	funman	microsecond delay, but it uses constants/variables I haven't found yet in the kernel
19:48:34	funman	HZ is CONFIG_HZ , can be defined when configuring the kernel
19:49:28	amiconn	Hmm. That Transcend 4GB MMC definitely works as such, and it also definitely supports SPI (since the OF can read the directory)
19:49:37	amiconn	But our driver fails...
19:51:06	wpyh	hm...
19:51:39	wpyh	gevaerts: I tried the svn (with your blinkenlights-shutdown-warning code)
19:51:44	wpyh	i found that it doesn't shut down my M3
19:52:10	funman	HZ is 100
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19:53:50	gevaerts	wpyh: from my reading of http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MeizuReverseEngineering it should behave the same as the m6sl...
19:54:22	markun	wpyh: you do remove the USB cable?
19:55:19	funman	and the loops_per_jiffy is calibrated at boot
19:56:12	wpyh	markun, gevaerts: yes, 1) plug in the m3, 2) load the code, 3) play around with the play button, 4) the backlight blinks, then dies, 4) unplug, 5) now the m3 hangs
19:56:40	gevaerts	What happens if wou unplug first (after (2))
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19:57:12	wpyh	hm...let's try
19:58:09	wpyh	gevaerts: now it just hangs
19:58:20	gevaerts	immediately?
19:58:23	wpyh	please note that I'm still using the svn code, not yours or markun's
19:58:30	wpyh	yeah, immediately after I unplug the thing
19:59:03	gevaerts	the new code is for slider testing. Don't try that until you have basic functionality
20:00
20:00:37	wpyh	gevaerts: ok... you mean until the m3 shuts down properly, don't try the new code?
20:01:36	gevaerts	wpyh: the new code is known not to work properly anywhere
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20:02:55	markun	I made have made a mistake when I looked at the M3 firmware
20:03:19	markun	or maybe this info is from 'kgb2008', I don't remember
20:03:48	markun	gevaerts: we could test if we at least have the buttons correctly
20:04:17	wpyh	hmm... ok
20:04:55	gevaerts	You could. I'm currently copying the QT1106 configuration things into defines
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20:11:07	funman	iirc i386 assembly, different instructions would require more or less cpu cycles to complete
20:12:09	funman	I expect it's the same for arm, but can't find a list
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20:16:03	funman	http://www.coranac.com/tonc/text/asm.htm nice
20:18:09	mcuelenaere	funman: if you're looking for an ARM instruction list, you could try the ARM quick set reference card
20:18:11	*	amiconn points funman to the arm infocenter
20:18:33	amiconn	http://infocenter.arm.com/
20:18:57	mcuelenaere	wpyh: first, try compiling the vx767 tree and upload it using usbtool
20:19:05	mcuelenaere	(usbtool 10)
20:19:34	funman	mcuelenaere: I have the list, I am looking for the time length of each instrction
20:19:37	wpyh	ok
20:19:53	mcuelenaere	funman: in that case, try amiconn's link
20:22:26	funman	thanks; http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.ddi0184b/Chdfcdji.html
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20:27:42	wpyh	mcuelenaere: which bin files do I need for "usbtool 10"?
20:27:51	mcuelenaere	only 1.bin
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20:27:56	mcuelenaere	(and onda.bin of course)
20:28:00	wpyh	ok
20:28:08	mcuelenaere	which is a renamed rockboot.vx767
20:28:20	*	wpyh makes a symlink
20:28:45	wpyh	ok, the lcd is still not initialized properly
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20:29:02	mcuelenaere	wpyh: in what way?
20:29:05	mcuelenaere	how does it look?
20:29:13	wpyh	it looks washed out
20:29:18	mcuelenaere	do you have some kind of way to take a picture of it?
20:29:27	wpyh	it's the same as using the old version before you added the lcd init
20:29:47	mcuelenaere	hmm bugger
20:30:11	mcuelenaere	I imitated the exact same vx767 initialisation routine
20:30:13	mcuelenaere	like you send me
20:30:22	mcuelenaere	at least the backlight turns on, doesn't it?
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20:31:44	mcuelenaere	wpyh: perhaps what we should do, is look what the LCD controller could be
20:32:01	mcuelenaere	do you know of any disassembled vx767 pictures?
20:32:17	*	wpyh has made a video
20:32:45	mcuelenaere	ok
20:32:51	wpyh	mcuelenaere: there is
20:32:52	mcuelenaere	hmm /me thought he made a VX767 wiki page..
20:32:54	wpyh	let me check
20:33:20	mcuelenaere	ah it probably was lost with the server crash :/
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20:35:11	wpyh	mcuelenaere: here http://bbs.imp3.net/viewthread.php?tid=457818&extra=page%3D1%26amp%3Bfilter%3Ddigest
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20:35:27	mcuelenaere	thx, I'll add it to the wiki
20:35:31	*	wpyh thought he saw the 767 page a few days ago
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20:36:54	mcuelenaere	it existed, but it was deleted with the server crash thingy a couple of days agoo
20:37:01	mcuelenaere	ago*
20:38:09	LambdaCalculus37	:/
20:42:27	wpyh	uh...
20:42:51	amiconn	petur: ping
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20:45:00	mcuelenaere	wpyh: could you check the VX767 wiki page for mistakes?
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20:45:11	mcuelenaere	btw we'll need the GPIO configuration to be filled in
20:47:49	LambdaCalculus37	mcuelenaere: Do you and wpyh want to add USB IDs for the VX767, VX747, and (for wpyh) the Meizu to the DeviceDetection wiki page?
20:48:21	mcuelenaere	LambdaCalculus37: I thought I already added the ones for the VX747... apparantly not
20:48:33	mcuelenaere	apparently*
20:49:44	wpyh	LambdaCalculus37: I have already added the id's for the meizu
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20:49:56	LambdaCalculus37	wpyh: Great. :)
20:50:20	wpyh	mcuelenaere: isn't the vx767 based on the 4740?
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20:50:41	mcuelenaere	wpyh: could be
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20:53:10	wpyh	I think it is
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20:54:10	mcuelenaere	then the picture should be updated
20:54:31	wpyh	yeah
20:54:47	*	gevaerts can read out the touchpad on the m6sl :)
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20:55:54	wpyh	gevaerts: wow
20:56:07	mcuelenaere	wpyh: it doesn't really resemble the same behaviour as mine did, but perhaps I can figure it out
20:56:10	mcuelenaere	gevaerts: \o/
20:56:39	wpyh	hmm... ok
20:56:47	mcuelenaere	hmm that fading to white seems like a good sign
20:56:56	wpyh	mcuelenaere: why?
20:57:07	mcuelenaere	it looks like it can (half-)initialise the LCD
20:57:43	mcuelenaere	wpyh: could you reset your device and do usbtool 3 on it?
20:57:49	mcuelenaere	then press a key and do usbtool 3 again
20:58:01	mcuelenaere	note the difference in the GPIO values and then write them on the wiki
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20:58:09	mcuelenaere	then at least we have the keys working ;)
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20:59:25	wpyh	ok...
20:59:42	wpyh	should I put it into recovery mode?
20:59:59	mcuelenaere	yes
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21:00:02	mcuelenaere	otherwise it won't work
21:00:30	wpyh	ok
21:02:47	wpyh	mcuelenaere: besides buttons, what else?
21:02:59	mcuelenaere	I'm afraid there's not much else to do..
21:03:06	wpyh	I notice that INTC_ISR is sometimes different, sometimes not
21:03:21	mcuelenaere	that has something to do with the interrupt
21:03:27	mcuelenaere	(INTC = Interrupt Controller)
21:03:47	wpyh	is it significant here?
21:04:07	wpyh	because sometimes it's 0, sometimes it's 1000000
21:04:29	wpyh	hey, I found that the microsd slot alos affects the GPIO ;)
21:04:38	mcuelenaere	cool :)
21:04:42	gevaerts	Not that surprising :)
21:04:47	*	mcuelenaere doesn't have any MicroSD cards
21:05:04	wpyh	:)
21:05:10	wpyh	gevaerts: surprising for me :p
21:05:45	mcuelenaere	wpyh: that's the Interrupt Controller Source Register (ICSR)
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21:05:51	mcuelenaere	This register contains all the interrupts� status. A �1� indicates that the corresponding interrupt is pending . A �0� indicates that the interrupt is not pending now. The register is read only.
21:06:30	mcuelenaere	ah no I'm wrong
21:06:40	mcuelenaere	or not, I'm right
21:09:10	mcuelenaere	if anyone wants to see wpyh's VX767 getting inited wrongly: http://www.mediafire.com/?jceyim58bjl
21:09:35	gevaerts	wpyh: code is committed if you want to try on M3
21:09:59	wpyh	gevaerts: ok
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21:10:18	mcuelenaere	wpyh: what happened when you rebooted to the OF after running that code?
21:10:29	skatteola	Any updates for the endian issue with meizu_dfu, markun? :)
21:10:34	mcuelenaere	I mean, what did you saw?
21:12:45	wpyh	skatteola: eh, endian issue?
21:13:09	gevaerts	skatteola: markun isn't here right now, but he should be back in a few hours
21:13:19	skatteola	"hangs" on my ppc ibook, apparently a known issue
21:13:29	wpyh	ah, ok
21:13:38	wpyh	ppc is big-endian right?
21:14:09	svpe	depends
21:14:17	wpyh	hm...
21:14:30	gevaerts	For all practical purposes, yes
21:14:35	svpe	most are big-endian though
21:14:51	wpyh	ok, I leave it to markun then
21:15:08	wpyh	mcuelenaere: you mean rockboot.vx767? nothing, since it's not written to the NAND
21:15:17	amiconn	Similar thing on arm. It can be both, but LE is much more common
21:15:17	wpyh	the OF functions normally
21:15:20	skatteola	It's already fixed, just not checked in as I understood it
21:15:21	gevaerts	It shouldn't be that hard to fix, but markun has already done that, so...
21:15:30	wpyh	amiconn: I thought BE is more common?
21:15:34	wpyh	(on arm)
21:15:38	amiconn	nope
21:15:47	wpyh	hm.. ok
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21:15:58	mcuelenaere	wpyh: what I meant was if you would perhaps see something interesting on the LCD, but that's probably not the case because the OF won't init the backlight before the LCD
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21:16:36	*	amiconn repeats his question from yesterday
21:16:47	petur	amiconn: pong
21:16:57	amiconn	Does anyone know where I could find an ipod dock connector?
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21:17:13	wpyh	mcuelenaere: ah, ok. nothing interesting there...
21:17:13	amiconn	I'd like to test recording somewhat more thoroughly
21:17:29	mcuelenaere	amiconn: I think I saw some links somewhere
21:17:40	funman	ls
21:17:46	amiconn	petur: The gain increase/decerase in the ipod recording screen are still swapped
21:17:58	petur	euh
21:18:00	amiconn	Maybe this also applies to other wheel targets - not sure
21:18:19	mcuelenaere	amiconn: have you seen http://home.swipnet.se/ridax/connector.htm ?
21:18:36	*	amiconn is about to test a build on his Photo that's supposed to not break playback after recording
21:18:38	*	bertrik checks recording gain increase/decrease on e200
21:18:50	petur	amiconn: must have been wrong before my changes, I checked them and they didn't change it
21:19:00	amiconn	hmmm
21:19:12	*	petur has no ipod to test/fix :/
21:20:02	*	petur tries the sim
21:21:19	wpyh	mcuelenaere: how about calling the lcd init directly from VX767_V1.0.dl?
21:21:22	bertrik	maybe I misunderstand something, but on e200 the left/right buttons are used to decrease/increase gain, the wheel just selects volume/gain/filename items
21:21:30	amiconn	mcuelenaere: Ah, thanks :)
21:21:43	mcuelenaere	wpyh: that should be temporary
21:21:53	mcuelenaere	we can't include the OF's binary
21:21:54	bertrik	left is decrease, right is increase, as I would expect
21:22:03	mcuelenaere	wpyh: but it's possible, but shouldn't be needed actually
21:22:04	wpyh	mcuelenaere: yes, since that can be used to make sure our init code works as the OF's does
21:22:10	wpyh	but how?
21:22:12	wpyh	:-\
21:22:50	mcuelenaere	I don't want to spend time doing how, but I'll just compare the Rockbox version against the OF
21:22:54	mcuelenaere	(in assembly)
21:23:00	mcuelenaere	perhaps I made a mistake somewhere
21:23:21	mcuelenaere	my best guess about what's currently wrong, is the lcd_set_target() function
21:23:25	mcuelenaere	(in Rockbox)
21:23:31	mcuelenaere	http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/firmware/target/mips/ingenic_jz47xx/onda_vx767/lcd-ondavx767.c?revision=18422&view=markup
21:23:34	mcuelenaere	I just guessed that one
21:23:50	*	wpyh doesn't understand
21:23:58	mcuelenaere	wpyh: could you try recompiling with #if 0 #endif what's in that function?
21:24:04	wpyh	ok
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21:24:24	bluebrother	what's this DFU mode on the nano 2G?
21:24:44	wpyh	bluebrother: thank LambdaCalculus37 for that
21:25:08	LambdaCalculus37	bluebrother: Thank linuxstb for the original idea.
21:25:27	mcuelenaere	domonoky: shouldn't FS #9362 be committed?
21:25:43	*	linuxstb doesn't think he thought of that idea...
21:26:07	LambdaCalculus37	bluebrother: I trashed the firmware partition on my 2nd gen nano, then discovered that there's a hidden-away key combination on it that reveals a DFU mode.
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21:27:00	domonoky	mcuelenaere: yes, maybe i should commit it... there is still the bug with the wrong error line, but that bug is in rockbox itself, and i should bug jdgordon about it :-)
21:29:01	mcuelenaere	:)
21:29:26	domonoky	bluebrother: we should prepare rbutil for the rbutil release...(like disabling theme installing temporary, changing the ini, and maybe other things) should we do this on the v3.0 branch or on trunk ?
21:29:32	linuxstb	LambdaCalculus37: Have you tried that key combination with a working ipod?
21:29:35	mcuelenaere	btw I haven't seen krz lately, have you?
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21:30:16	domonoky	i have seen him, something like 2 days ago..
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21:31:14	mcuelenaere	is he still working on WPS editor?
21:31:50	LambdaCalculus37	linuxstb: Yes, and it does nothing.
21:31:51	domonoky	yes, he was still doing something on it, at least he asked Qt questions for it :-)
21:32:03	mcuelenaere	:)
21:32:13	LambdaCalculus37	linuxstb: You have to intentionally trash the firmware partition in order to access DFU mode.
21:32:55	wpyh	mcuelenaere: same result with that code commented out
21:33:03	mcuelenaere	bleh
21:33:25	mcuelenaere	hmm I seem to get errors on the compilation of vx767..
21:33:42	wpyh	btw, does anyone know why bootloader/mrobe500.c is executable?
21:33:46	bluebrother	LambdaCalculus37: so it's nothing an average user will enter (and therefore nothing we need to detect in rbutil, right?)
21:34:05	wpyh	mcuelenaere: errors?
21:34:23	bluebrother	domonoky: I think we should do that on the branch. It'll be a kinda special version anyway
21:34:53	linuxstb	LambdaCalculus37: Does itunes recognise the ipod on this mode? A USB trace of itunes communicating with such an ipod would be interesting...
21:35:16	bluebrother	I'm also still working on my bootloader thingy but IMO it would be better to leave that after 3.0
21:35:26	mcuelenaere	wpyh: fixed (mrobe500.c)
21:35:39	wpyh	ok
21:35:40	mcuelenaere	wpyh: local tree modifications (in reply to 'errors?')
21:35:42	domonoky	bluebrother: if we make the next rbutil from the 3.0 branch, i maybe should also commit the last language addition there.. :-)
21:35:43	bluebrother	(one of the reasons why there wasn't too much activity on that lately ... the other one is the usual time issue)
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21:36:04	LambdaCalculus37	brother: Correct.
21:36:14	*	LambdaCalculus37 slaps his tab key
21:36:16	bluebrother	domonoky: indeed.
21:36:41	LambdaCalculus37	linuxstb: I haven't tried out the nano with iTunes yet. I'll do that, though.
21:37:10	bluebrother	but especially if we do 3.0 preparation on the branch I might try to commit my rework soonish ... hopefully I'll find some time on the weekend
21:37:58	domonoky	bluebrother: then lets do it like this...
21:38:26	Zambezi	Can I in someway access the menu in Rockbox without using the touchpad? The touchpad is faulty now.
21:38:33	Zambezi	iPod Mini
21:39:00	LambdaCalculus37	Zambezi: Why not fix it? http://www.ifixit.com
21:39:19	LambdaCalculus37	Also, is the entire pad faulty, or does clicking work?
21:39:37	linuxstb	domonoky, bluebrother: Is there a reason to release rbutil from the 3.0 branch? Couldn't it just be released from trunk?
21:39:42	*	bluebrother puts "check for updates" on the todo list
21:40:01	domonoky	bluebrother: hwo do we want to handle Complete/Small install for 3.0 ? at moment it alwas installs bleeding.. (the seperate rockbox install will work correctly and default to the release , when we change the ini)
21:40:06	bluebrother	well, when is 3.0 scheduled? This week?
21:40:35	bertrik	mcuelenaere, do you mind if I have a look at the mrobe sources for missing #includes and functions that can be made static?
21:40:39	bluebrother	linuxstb: well, we need to change some things, so I'd prefer to not have to change them back on trunk.
21:40:52	mcuelenaere	bertrik: those sources aren't mine ;)
21:41:01	mcuelenaere	btw, thx for the ZVM static fixes
21:41:03	linuxstb	bluebrother: What needs changing? Wouldn't future versions support "3.0" and "current" ?
21:41:13	Zambezi	LambdaCalculus37: The clickwheelcable broke, but it might be better buying the entire clickwheel casue the cable is hard to attach.
21:41:29	wpyh	Zambezi: have you tried soldering/
21:41:43	LambdaCalculus37	Zambezi: Then check out the link I gave you. They sell the parts you'll need.
21:41:44	Zambezi	wpyh: No skill, no tools.
21:42:12	Zambezi	LambdaCalculus37: I did, but I need a store from UK so that or Ebay.
21:42:14	wpyh	hm...
21:42:19	bluebrother	linuxstb: domonoky mentioned disabling the themes installation temporarily. As the site's down there isn't too much point in it
21:42:36	domonoky	the only thing we want to change back in the future, would be the disabling of theme installing, when the new theme site is ready..
21:42:40	LambdaCalculus37	Zambezi: This store does international shipping.
21:42:51	linuxstb	That's not really a 3.0 issue though...
21:43:06	Zambezi	LambdaCalculus37: VAT, the custom.
21:43:14	bluebrother	maybe we should get the latest release version from the download server in the future ;-)
21:43:42	bluebrother	I'd also like to consolidate the daily and bleeding build info downloads into one. Would make things a bit easier
21:43:48	mcuelenaere	wpyh: I see at least one mistake in the vx767 LCD init
21:43:57	mcuelenaere	I'll check if there are others too..
21:43:58	wpyh	ah, ok
21:44:01	wpyh	how should I change it?
21:44:08	mcuelenaere	I'll commit it to SVN :)
21:44:12	wpyh	ok
21:44:17	domonoky	bluebrother: the ini change is not only the version number, but also if it is released vor a specific target..
21:44:17	mcuelenaere	I'm currently diffing it with the OF
21:44:28	bluebrother	well, of course we could simply update the ini file and create new binaries from trunk
21:45:04	domonoky	bluebrother: any idea on what todo with the Complete/small install ? which version should it install ?
21:45:18	bluebrother	domonoky: I know. My idea is to have the latest release version for each target in some file rbutil grabs upon start, similarl to the bleeding build info it currently gets
21:45:29	*	petur spots a very obvious mistake
21:45:53	bluebrother	if we create dedicated 3.0 binaries then it should install 3.0. If we just create updated binaries I think it should get a bleeding edge build
21:48:08	amiconn	hmpf
21:49:24	domonoky	bluebrother: so what do you like more: a "rbutil1.0.7-v3.0ready" or just a rbutil1.0.7 ? :-)
21:51:06	bluebrother	well, we could simply release it as 1.0.7 given that sansapatcher now supports the updated c200 firmware
21:52:25	bluebrother	then do some more code rework and release 1.0.8. Adding the cli interface would be something nice for 1.1
21:53:40	bluebrother	btw, having release names would be kinda fun imo :)
21:54:40	n1s	isn't 3.0 "mayday" ?
21:54:51	domonoky	if someone has good ideas for release names, why not...
21:55:09	LambdaCalculus37	domonoky: Weren't we agreeing on beer names? :)
21:55:23	*	domonoky likes (the more slogan like) "Rockbox v3.0 - Rocks for sure" :-)
21:55:37	bluebrother	wasn't that for Rockbox releases? Wouldn't mind them for rbutil releases though
21:56:37	*	LambdaCalculus37 would codename 3.0 "Westmalle" :)
21:56:59	n1s	The history for the ReleaseTodo page reveals codenames "mayday" for 3.0 and "fireworks" for 3.1 they were however edited out and twiki history is impossible to read
21:57:59	bluebrother	well, we can still name 3.0 "mayday", even if it's september ;)
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21:58:38	n1s	or just "fall" ;)
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21:58:44	domonoky	n1s: true, but they were for the old abandond 3.0 attempt, we have now "rockbox v3.0 - the new one" :-)
21:59:01		Quit wpyh (Client Quit)
21:59:04	n1s	ah yes, 3.0v2 :P
21:59:13	domonoky	"rockbox 3.0 - Second attempt" :-)
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21:59:33	*	domonoky opens a beer...
22:00
22:00:19	bluebrother	well, as it's attempt 2, why not "mayday, mayday"? ;)
22:00:38	mcuelenaere	wpyh: could you try with svn up?
22:00:39	amiconn	Something isn't quite right here... now I don't get hanging playback, but no soud after recording....
22:00:56	wpyh	ok
22:00:56	n1s	anyways if we go with the beer names we must make sure everyone has the correct brew around for the release announcement!
22:01:41	gevaerts	n1s: those are not beer names. They are placenames!
22:01:42	*	amiconn thinks it might be impossible to find a beer which every dev likes (not counting those who don't like beer at all)
22:02:13	gevaerts	amiconn: many of those places also produce cheese. Maybe that helps
22:02:30	domonoky	then we have to brew our own beer: "rockbeer" :-)
22:02:34	wpyh	mcuelenaere: same result
22:02:43	petur	amiconn: recording inc/dec on ipod should be ok now
22:03:01	mcuelenaere	wpyh: ok, then we should try identifying the LCD driver
22:03:02	n1s	gevaerts: right! let me reword, if we go with placenames we must make sure everyone has a beer with the same name around (by coincidence, no less!)! :)
22:03:06	mcuelenaere	(I mean the chip)
22:03:30	gevaerts	n1s: That works :)
22:03:30	mcuelenaere	wpyh: and with eenode is a service of Peer-Directed Projects Center, an
22:03:30	mcuelenaere	- IRS 501(
22:03:40	mcuelenaere	woops
22:03:46	mcuelenaere	wpyh: and with lcd_set_target() disabled?
22:03:56	wpyh	hm.. let me try
22:04:05	domonoky	n1s: we should use googles mentor money to distribute one beer of the right brand to all rockbox devs in time for the release :-)
22:04:35		Quit Lambduh (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
22:04:45	*	petur will go to the shop himself
22:05:04	wpyh	mcuelenaere: I got "LCM_T480272_11_RGB" from VX767_V1.0.dl
22:05:08	wpyh	is that the lcd driver?
22:05:20	wpyh	with lcd_set_target() disabled, still the same result
22:05:25	mcuelenaere	yes, but try deciphering it :)
22:05:34	wpyh	hm..
22:07:37	wpyh	this? http://detail.china.alibaba.com/buyer/offerdetail/197302983.html
22:08:02	mcuelenaere	wpyh: nice :)
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22:08:16	mcuelenaere	what's the manufacturer?
22:08:24	mcuelenaere	if it's Truly, we can get the datasheet
22:08:25	mirak	hello
22:08:31	mcuelenaere	I mailed them and they mailed it back
22:08:43	mirak	do you think it would be feasible to build the rockbox simulator on the iphone ?
22:08:59	mirak	or for
22:09:16	mirak	to have rockbox as a standalone application on this device for exemple
22:10:23	wpyh	seems to be this: http://www.szjlykj.com/
22:10:46	mcuelenaere	seems like the VX767 has the same (shielded) FM chip
22:12:15	gevaerts	mirak: it's not impossible, but I'm not sure if it could be installed on a non-jailbroken iphone
22:12:30	wpyh	ok
22:12:50	wpyh	mcuelenaere: I need some help documenting the GPIO pins
22:13:11	mcuelenaere	like?
22:13:23	wpyh	for example, with the microsd it's GPIO_PXPIN(1) -> deffffff, while without the microsd it's like GPIO_PXPIN(1) -> feffffff
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22:13:42	wpyh	can I just say "GPIO_PXPIN(1) ^ (1 << 29) => Micro SD slot"?
22:14:08	mcuelenaere	no
22:14:16	wpyh	how, then?
22:14:17	mcuelenaere	the ^ operator is a bit toggler
22:14:24	wpyh	ok
22:14:33	mcuelenaere	!(GPIO_PXIN(1) & (1 << 29))
22:14:38	wpyh	ah, ok
22:14:43	mcuelenaere	or am I wrong?
22:14:57	wpyh	I was just following the examples from the OndaVX747 page
22:14:58	wpyh	:p
22:15:06	mcuelenaere	yeah, I was asking #rockbox ;)
22:15:23	domonoky	mirak: should be possible, there are already some attempts to run the simulator on some phones in the tracker. (but you need SDL for it, dont know if this available for the iphone) ..
22:15:24	wpyh	!(GPIO_PXPIN(1)) & (1 << 29)
22:15:33	wpyh	that seems to be the correct one
22:15:56	mcuelenaere	ok, could you post the button configuration somewhere?
22:16:02	wpyh	hm?
22:16:03	mcuelenaere	then I'll merge it into the Rockbox button driver
22:16:22	mcuelenaere	what GPIO values change when you press a specific button?
22:16:34	wpyh	mcuelenaere: are you talking to me (about the button configuration)?
22:16:38	*	wpyh is a bit disoriented
22:16:40	mcuelenaere	yep :)
22:16:46	wpyh	ah, ok
22:16:53	wpyh	I'll put it on the OndaVX767 page then?
22:16:56	mcuelenaere	ok
22:18:04	*	domonoky somehow messed up the commit comment for the wpseditor commit. :-/ remember: dont drink beer and commit things :-)
22:21:33	amiconn	Drink scotch instead? ;)
22:22:26		Quit mf0102_ ("Ex-Chat")
22:22:49	gevaerts	No. That would be off-topic :)
22:26:05	*	mcuelenaere thinks he found the/a similar vx767 LCD IC driver :)
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22:27:48	jgsprenger	anyone experiencing WMA codec problems? as of mid august, all my WMA files are playing SLOW speed...?
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22:28:14	mcuelenaere	seems like a lot of LCD IC engineers chose 0x22 as Write to GRAM..
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22:31:12	wpyh	mcuelenaere: I decided to upload my restore tool
22:31:18	bluebrother	Bagder_: ping
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22:33:45	linuxstb	bluebrother: He left yesterday, saying "back again on the 18th"....
22:34:17	bluebrother	ah, dang.
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22:39:51	mcuelenaere	wpyh: the LCD IC driver could an Ilitek
22:39:59	wpyh	ilitek?
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22:40:46	mcuelenaere	http://www.ilitek.com/products-txt-e.asp?ck=30
22:41:09	mcuelenaere	the registers seems to match the ones used in the vx767
22:42:51	wpyh	mcuelenaere: I don't see register documentation there...
22:43:09	mcuelenaere	http://www.techtoys.com.hk/Displays/TY280T240320/datasheet/ILI9325DS_V0.28.pdf & http://www.trulydisplays.com/tft/specs/ILI9320DS_V0.55.pdf & http://www.trulydisplays.com/tft/specs/240320-147initial.txt
22:43:16	mcuelenaere	the .txt is the most clear
22:43:20	mcuelenaere	clearest*
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22:44:21	wpyh	ok...
22:44:58	mcuelenaere	wpyh: do you also have the binary which actually calls the functions in the VX767_1.0.DL ?
22:45:26	wpyh	wpyh: yes, it's 5.bin in my terminology
22:45:27	wpyh	;)
22:45:30	wpyh	and 3.bin
22:45:58	mcuelenaere	ok
22:46:56	*	amiconn found the cause for the silent playback after recording :)
22:47:09	amiconn	Now I just need to find the cause for the silent recording as well...
22:47:53	amiconn	Stupd gpio magic from ipl in pcm-pp.c was missing its counterpart
22:55:49	mirak	gevaerts, jailbreaking is ok, at least for me
22:56:10	mirak	domonoky, if it work on mac os x, chances it could work on iphone
22:56:20	gevaerts	mirak: in that case, go for it. You probably only need SDL
22:56:20	mirak	no ?
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22:56:56	gevaerts	?
22:57:06	mirak	gevaerts, ok. though I am not sure the arm assembly will work
22:57:25	gevaerts	The simulator doesn't use assembly bits I think
22:57:28	domonoky	mirak: if you have SDL on the iphone, and a way to run custom programs, it should not be too much work.. (only some button mappings, and choosing a screensize)
22:57:55	mirak	gevaerts, I have tried vlc4iphone. It can play mp3 ogg flac. video is too slow for now. I guess they didn't implemented anything in assembly
22:58:08	*	gevaerts doesn't know
22:58:24	domonoky	the simulator doesnt use asm as far as i know...
22:58:51	mirak	domonoky, mmm. ok but iphone cpu will probably need some
22:59:02	linuxstb	FS #9222 is a step in the right direction...
22:59:08	gevaerts	In that case you'll have a bit of work
22:59:37	mirak	domonoky, gevaerts vlc4iphone uses ffmpeg, so I guess they will need to work directly on ffmpeg
22:59:38	domonoky	mirak: yes, the sim on the iphone may be slow, but we wont know until it runs on it :-)
23:00
23:00:14	mirak	domonoky, and rockbox uses ffmpeg code sometimes, and anyway that's just particular functions
23:00:28	mirak	like idct and stuff, but that's still work :)
23:00:38	linuxstb	I wouldn't expect it to be slow - doesn't the iphone have a relatively fast CPU? i.e. faster than all current targets (perhaps excluding the beast)
23:00:52	mirak	domonoky, assembly is usefull at least to save battery
23:01:37	*	linuxstb reads that it's likely to be a 667MHz arm1176jzf
23:01:43	mirak	linuxstb, what is the beast ? I have seen it has a 620mhz cpu 133mhz memory, underclocked to 412mhz/100mhz
23:02:01	linuxstb	Gigabeat S
23:02:02	domonoky	mirak: sure, but asm is always target/cpu specific, so the sim doesnt use it (so it can run also on ppc macs) :-)
23:02:12	mirak	I have also seen maybe the iphone 3G have a more energy efficient cpu
23:02:22		Quit petur ("plop")
23:02:40	mirak	that can go up to 800mhz, but for application compatibility I have a doubt about that
23:04:45	Ctcp	Ping from gevaerts!n=fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts
23:04:45	mirak	domonoky, well rockbox code is also relatively generic and target independent, there are lots of #ifdefs etcetera. I guess it could be possible to also create a special target
23:04:45	mirak	I don't know
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23:04:47	Spasysheep	hello?
23:04:59	Spasysheep	anyone here?
23:05:23	domonoky	mirak: thats the way, search the tracker and maybe the forums, others have take some steps to it for other phones..
23:05:24	Spasysheep	evidently not
23:05:34	domonoky	Spasysheep: patience !
23:05:35	Spasysheep	oh yes, someone is here
23:05:56	mirak	linuxstb, well all i know is that currently iphone can't play a 612x352 divx without (I guess) no cpu asm optimisations, at least to use vectorisations for idct etcetera
23:06:15	mirak	Spasysheep, I am not here
23:06:17	Spasysheep	sorry, i'm used to the very busy chatrooms, i forgot that one like this will have far fewer users
23:06:40	gevaerts	Spasysheep: we mainly don't do social chatting here
23:06:48	Spasysheep	fairy nuff
23:06:57	domonoky	Spasysheep: there are many users here. but only on-topic chat allowed here.. :-)
23:07:07	linuxstb	mirak: That's not really Rockbox's area either though...
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23:08:05	Ctcp	Ping from gevaerts!n=fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts
23:08:05	Spasysheep	can anyone tell me why you need to get past the encryption on 6th gen iPods, why can't you just overwrite the firmware
23:08:10		Quit beta__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
23:08:11	scorche\|sh	Spasysheep: ROM...
23:08:15	Spasysheep	?
23:08:44	mirak	linuxstb, yeah, but of course reading divx without reencoding would be pretty interesting :D
23:08:56	bluebrother	Read Only Memory
23:09:14	Spasysheep	oh yeah (D'Uh)
23:09:15	mirak	I don't know the hardware of the iphone. and probably like other ipods it will never be possible to use there hardware to play video or music
23:09:35	mirak	are the ipod using any chip help or is it only from cpu for music ?
23:10:23	linuxstb	Spasysheep: Also, there is no hardware documentation, so the only way to write a new firmware is to reverse-engineer the existing one, which is encrypted...
23:10:36	Spasysheep	how long is it likely to take to get past the encryption (or is it one of those things with no timescale apart from "when we do")
23:10:40	bluebrother	Spasysheep: and on top of that it's a SoC (System on Chip) so you can't simply go, disconnect the ROM chip and read it out / replace it
23:11:06	gevaerts	Spasysheep: if it's decent encryption, thousands of years
23:11:11	bluebrother	it's not a "when we do" thing but a "when someone does" thing
23:12:10	Spasysheep	well thats s**t. i may have to try and exchange my iPod for an older one, as i bought it on the assumption that I would be able to put rockbox on it
23:12:11	ole_	how long should it take to install rockbox on the iAudio 7?
23:12:17	mirak	Spasysheep, how can it be a rom ?
23:12:45	Spasysheep	mirak: why are you asking me?
23:12:56	ze	hey, i saw on /. (sometime within the last month i guess) something about new mathematical techniques to break most current forms of encryption in a fraction of the traditional time... anybody familiar and know if its applicable to that sorta thing?
23:13:00	mirak	Spasysheep, because I made a mistake
23:13:08	n1s	ole_: that port is not ready for users
23:13:44	n1s	ze: a fraction of thousands of years may still be hundreds of years :)
23:13:51	ole_	n1s: fair enough, but i'd really like to give it a run
23:14:01	ze	n1s: it might not be thousands-of-years encryption though
23:14:02	ze	heh
23:14:28	gevaerts	ze: in that case, tell us which one it is and how you'll break it, and then we'll talk
23:14:36	n1s	ze: vitja (iirc) is the only dev working on it so you'll probably want to ask him, or maybe linuxstb knows something?
23:14:48	ole_	I've managed to make a new I7_FW.BIN, but nothing happens when i upload it
23:15:07	linuxstb	You're using tcctool?
23:15:14	ze	n1s: working on which?
23:15:19	Spasysheep	ze: you mean http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/08/22/1233211
23:15:24	n1s	the iaudio 7 port
23:15:34	ole_	yea
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23:15:56	ze	Spasysheep: looks like it
23:15:57	n1s	ze: sorry my earlier remark was for ole_
23:16:07	ze	n1s: ah ok
23:16:26	linuxstb	ole_: vitja is probably the only person that can help - I'm guessing you're read this thread? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=15360.0
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23:16:41	linuxstb	^you've read
23:17:01	ole_	linuxstb: I've followed his instructions, yea
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23:18:52	ole_	chessclock.c:194:2: error: #error No keymap defined!
23:19:03	ole_	anyone encountered this error before?
23:20:04		Quit neddy1 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
23:20:05	linuxstb	It is simply because the iaudio7 port is still in the very early stages, and most things don't work...
23:20:07		Quit neddy (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
23:21:03	ole_	ok, I see
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23:34:14	mcuelenaere	wpyh (logs): probably what causes the LCD on the VX767 not to work, is that they use the LCD functions instead of the SLCD (Smart LCD)
23:39:27	mcuelenaere	wpyh: scrap that
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23:42:23	desowin	is that bug or not? when there's already .scrobbler.log (of .scrobbler-timeless.log), the write_cache func doesn't check if the contents of that file is really audioscrobbler log
23:43:53	desowin	although that files isn't supposed to be created by user, nor rockbox code would create empty log file (if file doesn't exists it writes header there)
23:46:10	linuxstb	desowin: I think it's a fair assumption to make, unless checking the contents is trivial...
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23:48:55	mcuelenaere	wpyh: I think you forgot the HOLD button in the GPIO documentation
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