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#rockbox log for 2008-09-11

00:01:23mcuelenaerewpyh: and doesn't it have a POWER button?
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00:05:42amiconnYay! recording also works now (mic)
00:06:16*amiconn needs to experiment a bit more, and then needs a Nano tester
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00:28:40Casainhohello Rockbox People
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00:29:09CasainhoI was just passing to tell that now there is online the initial code for a new port, to the Rockbox Player:
00:29:41Casainhocurrently giving errors on link stage of bootloader...
00:29:59CasainhoIf someone can help, would be great! :-) −− thank you
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00:35:02linuxstbCasainho: Can you pastebin the errors?
00:35:59Casainholinuxstb: yes, I will do, however, you can get the source and build it, the "build" directory is already there...
00:37:05linuxstbWhy have you committed the build directory?
00:37:10Casainholinuxstb: well, I think there is no need to show the errors since I didn't work on crt0.S and boot.ld files... −− I am reading some articles about that....
00:37:37Casainhowell, why not?
00:37:39linuxstbAlso, you're missing the actual bootloader file in bootloader/
00:38:01linuxstbCasainho: Because it's created by you and the build system - it's not something you put under version control.
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00:38:55linuxstbCasainho: Ignore my comment about the bootloader - I didn't notice there was a second scrollbar on my screen...
00:39:59Casainholinuxstb: do you think you can help on coding the intial bootloader code?
00:40:35CasainhoMe and Thom, we are the only ones that have that development board...
00:40:38linuxstbI've got my own ports to work on.
00:40:51Casainhookok :-) - thanks :-)
00:40:55linuxstb(or not work on....)
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00:41:42Casainho:-) −− I will try to make the crt0.S and ld files working, If I have some specifiq question, I will come here and ask...
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00:49:28pixelmadionoea: are you around by chance?
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00:51:27dionoeapixelma: ?
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01:30:46amiconnpreglow/ Llorean: I now have a patch that needs testing on Nano. Tests should include playback after recording, and if possible, actual recording. Does the Nano handle mic recording via headphone socket, like the G4 and Color/Photo? Guess not...
01:31:31LloreanAs far as I know it only supports line via the dock port, and I'm not 100% sure we even ever got someone to test that.
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01:32:45amiconnThen mic recording should be disabled for nano. Would be nice if you could try that too (in a separate build with another, tiny change to config-ipodnano.h)
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01:33:58saratogai think there was some debate if the nano could even record through the dock connector
01:34:27Lloreansaratoga: Yeah, as I said, I'm not 100% sure we ever got that tested.
01:34:38LloreanEveryone was fussing over the headphone jack, and the "I'm sure I heard something very faintly" guys
01:35:02Lloreanamiconn: building with your patch now
01:35:06amiconnWell, if playback-after-recording is fixed (and it should be with this patch), we should leave recording enabled for nano. Perhaps the manual or the release notes should state it's untested
01:36:17amiconnMy patch should fix G4, Color/Photo and Nano. Video has a different audio codec I will probably try to fix as well, but not now. And I'd need a live tester once I've put the first version together...
01:36:57saratogai keep seeing that guy pop in the logs for 10 minutes to ask about some wma problem
01:37:04amiconnIt's easy to make a lot of stupid mistakes in this type of code - dropping bits, writing to the wrong side's adc gain register etc
01:37:10saratogathe next time he does can someone try and ask him what revision broke his wma files
01:37:50amiconnLlorean: This patch took me several hours to debug said stupid mistakes...
01:38:35Lloreanamiconn: It works, music played, record screen created a file, music played again after.
01:38:53amiconnNice :)
01:39:15LloreanJust remove SRC_CAP_MIC?
01:39:25amiconnTo disable mic recording. remove "SRC_CAP_MIC | " from line 21 in config-ipodnano.h
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01:41:27Lloreanamiconn: I get errors in recorder/recording.c if I do that.
01:41:42amiconnHmm, ok. Need to check that tomorrow, then
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01:42:05LloreanBut all that bears no direct relation to his policies
01:42:11LloreanWrong paste
01:42:23amiconnIn fact that'd be a separate fix, so I could commit this patch now
01:42:59amiconnSeems recording.c isn't really prepared for all possible source combinations...
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03:19:41soapgevaerts, regarding the Sansa USB errors... Has a test been done simply moving files repeatedly to the SD card from main memory to see if write corruption happens at a similar frequency to writing to the card directly from USB? I assume it has.
03:21:42soapIIRC I recorded on my nano through the dock connector. Again, IIRC, I did dock-to-dock on my nanos. I'll (re)test Friday if you still need it done, my Nano is boxed for sale, but I can dig it out.
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03:24:36soapand, amiconn, if you would like to schedule a time I'm willing and able to test any recording work you want to do on the video - I have a dock line-in adapter and could even set up RMAA on this computer if you have any concerns regarding those kind of things. Again, I'm mucho busy Thursday, but after that I can make time most anytime.
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03:27:11MarcGuayamiconn: Sorry about the email earlier, I saw you looking for the bug and don't have access to anything but mail and web at work. As far as disabling the Mic on the nano (and video I believe), I looked into that earlier and unforuntately recording assumes that if you can record at all, you have a mic. See the SVN log around r18029-18031.
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03:33:24soapaccording to iPodLinux's wiki the Nano and 5G have no fourth ring on the headphone jack (I only see three prongs looking into the jacks).
03:34:48MarcGuaysoap: Meaning that they can't record through it?
03:35:07MarcGuayI'm pretty sure that's true, if so.
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03:36:28MarcGuayThe problem is that they can (apparently?) record through the dock, so we want to have line-in recording available, but RB won't let you have line-in without mic.
03:36:50MarcGuayI think it's recording.c that is full of assumptions that if you have recording, you have a mic input.
03:37:10MarcGuaySorry, ASSumptions. :)
03:37:36soapthough, a fourth ring is only needed for simultaneous playback and recording, so lack of it isn't proof I guess.
03:38:19MarcGuaySounds like something a science-minded person should give a test run.
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03:45:36delt_awayheya all
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03:45:45deltjust back from the book study (12 prophets at the end of the old testament)
03:46:10delt<−−- listening to those oldschool 4ch mods =D
03:49:51*Llorean wonders what any of this has to do with Rockbox support or development...
03:50:46deltoh yeah, i'm using my computer and not rockbox to play them (:
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03:51:27*LambdaCalculus37 glares at delt
03:51:36Lloreandelt: Even if you were using Rockbox to play them, that doesn't belong in this channel.
03:51:37deltbut kidding aside, sorry for being off topic
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08:44:39linuxstbsoap: I thought the fourth ring in the headphone jack was the video output? The mic input on some ipods uses the right channel of the normal headphone output..
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09:05:30amiconnlinuxstb: On my ipod Photo, the headphone input uses the *left* channel of the headphone input (which is connected to the *right* ADC)
09:06:15linuxstbHmm, OK...
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09:09:15amiconnThis left & right confusion was part of a bug I had to hunt... gain adjustment for mic recording didn't work until I realised that audiohw_set_recvol() passes the desired gain in the 'left' variable only for mic recording, and I have to set the right ADC from it
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09:12:30linuxstbamiconn: Nice work though. Does your patch enable changing of the hardware samplerate?
09:14:32amiconnIt should, although it's completely untested. I think the audio driver api needs some serious rework in order to make things as uniform as possible across targets, and make it more *natural* (wrt parameters)
09:14:54amiconnThat is, I'm actually not sure how setting the sample rate for recording is supposed to work
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09:20:27amiconnBut first I need to fix the WM8758 driver as well, so that we can make the release.
09:21:08amiconnI would also like to fix the Transcend 4GB MMC issue before release as well, but otoh I don't want to delay the release too much....
09:21:51linuxstbAs I think you suggested, the MMC fix could just be in 3.0.1 - I don't think it should delay the release.
09:22:32amiconnIt *may* be a simple fix
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09:25:48amiconnlinuxstb: The recording setup for WM8975 is still far from ideal, e.g. there is no monitoring at all
09:26:12amiconnI need a dock connector in order to be able to fiddle with line in/ line out
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09:26:46linuxstbI would be happy to send you my line-in dock adapter - I never use it.
09:27:04*amiconn also wants line out
09:27:11linuxstbIt also has a line-out ;)
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09:27:46amiconnRidax sells dock connectors, and also a nice breakout board
09:31:36scotty_007amiconn: tried ebay? there are a lot of them (at least at ebay.DE if you don't need an original apple)
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10:05:03markunmorning xess
10:06:03markunwhat brings you here?
10:07:47xessI was wondering if I would be able to install rock box on my insigna NS-DV4G from source and if I can't do that if I can at least get in and look around the inside of the firm ware.
10:08:10xessOr do some thing like dmesg to my Mp3 player.
10:09:00markunThat player doesn't sounds familiar at all. I guess nobody is working on a port, but you could check the forums.
10:09:36xessYeah. It was just an idea.
10:10:42advcomp2019that player is like the iriver x10 too if i remember right
10:10:43markunxess: do you think there will be enough interest to start working on a port? Google doesn't give me many hits.
10:11:50advcomp2019oops.. it was the x20:
10:12:16xessI would have to learn how this it all works but if I get it down and make a stable port then I will share.
10:13:08markunxess: usually it's more fun to work with other people on a project like this
10:13:10linuxstbIt's best to share any work you do as early as possible - to encourage others to help. e.g. you could set up a page in the Rockbox wiki where you collect all the information you can about the player.
10:13:32linuxstbAnd as markun said, it's more fun ;)
10:15:26xessInsignia put out a firm ware up date a while back that fried one in three players so this would be a nice alternative. I am not that skilled with Linux HAL so I will be a while before I would start contributing.
10:15:57xessI am still running the out of date that from time to time locks up entirely.
10:16:44linuxstbDoes the Insignia run Linux?
10:17:34advcomp2019xess, like i said that insignia is like the iriver x20 and there is a wiki and thread in the forums for the x20
10:17:42xessI do not know. That is what I am trying to find out. Well I need to find out a lot. Does it need to run linux to start with in order to work.
10:18:04linuxstbNo, I was just wondering why you mentioned Linux... This is #rockbox.
10:18:06xessadvcomp2019, how is like the x20?
10:18:29markunxess: almost non of the players we have rockbox on had linux running. Only the Gigabeat F I guess.
10:18:30xessIsn't rock box made out of linux?
10:18:38advcomp2019Xerion, the hardware minus the mic
10:18:51advcomp2019ops xess
10:19:33xessIt seems to be running the same soft ware as well.
10:20:37advcomp2019xess, here is another reason why i say that:
10:21:54xessWell I have to reboot to let the updates roll in so I will see you all later.
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10:22:33*petur would still like to see a port to the iriver E100...
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10:30:04linuxstbpetur: What CPU is that?
10:30:21peturno idea... not much is known about it
10:30:31peturbut it has line-in :)
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10:38:59peturlinuxstb: I managed to get the hex file out of their .exe updater, it is 22MB and doesn't compress at all -> most probably encrypted?
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10:59:57gevaertssoap: yes, that's been tried. See the log of FS #8663
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11:04:59pondlifeHas anyone here tried the timestretching patch and had their device lockup and shutdown, as per ?
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11:09:50peturE100 firmware file for those interested: petur/">
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11:11:42markunpetur: thanks
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11:13:28advcomp2019petur, by the way, did you know the d2 has a line in too or are you looking for one without an adapter?
11:13:50peturno adapters :)
11:14:08advcomp2019o ok
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11:17:39advcomp2019petur, just remembered the iaudio7 has one ;)
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11:38:33mick_homehi everyone, rbutil doesn't notice my ipod - i have reformated to fat32 (w/ itunes on windows)
11:38:53mick_homeany ideas?
11:39:07mick_homeshould i install the latest version of the apple firmware first?
11:39:19LloreanWhat iPod is it?
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11:42:50Lloreangevaerts: You were talking about post-freeze inclusion of some interesting patches. Do we want to start marking those as "Due in Next Release" as a means of directing attention at them now?
11:47:14mick_homeLlorean: it is an ipod video 30 gig
11:47:36Lloreanmick_home: Does it have a drive letter?
11:47:48mick_homeu8m, i'm on linux :)
11:48:22mick_homei had to borrow someone's computer to use windows :)_
11:48:46LloreanTry "su rbutil"
11:48:46gevaertsLlorean: good idea
11:49:15mick_homei'm runing it as root
11:49:39Lloreanmick_home: Does your iPod currently properly boot into the Apple firmware?
11:49:41mick_homeant it is rbutilqt
11:50:12mick_homeit says connect w/ itunes to restore
11:50:33mick_homei just formatted it w/ itunes, that is all
11:50:54Lloreanmick_home: Your iPod must be in working condition for installation through the normal tools to wokr.
11:51:01LloreanRestoring it with iTunes will leave it in working condition.
11:51:19mick_homei gues i'll connect it to itunes (mac osx ppc) −− i hope it won't format it as hfs+ again
11:51:24LloreaniTunes doesn't have a simple "format" option, are you sure you didn't just use Windows format?
11:51:42LloreanAnd a MacOS copy of iTunes will put it in the wrong condition to use.
11:51:46mick_homei hada friend plug it in w/ itunes running
11:52:04mick_homei'll see if itunes works under wine
11:52:07LloreanJust plugging it in with iTunes running doesn't do anything.
11:52:15LloreanYou could follow the IpodManualRestorep age on the wiki.
11:52:24mick_homeno he clicked something - i wasn't there for it though :-/
11:52:34Lloreangevaerts: I can't remember half the patched I thought would be good to see if could be applied. =/
11:56:28mick_homeLlorean: where can i get the .ipsw file from?
11:56:46mick_homethe wiki says from a site −− i don't see anything on the site
11:57:01Lloreanapparently the site's down/gone now.
11:57:21mick_homeany ideas?
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11:57:48pixelmafxb__: isn't it your site?
11:57:59LloreanNot really other than restoring it properly with iTunes.
11:59:13pixelmait seems google cache works
11:59:46pixelmaat least I could download something
12:00:36mick_homepixelma: the .ipsw
12:01:08pixelmayes, but I have no means to test if this is a valid file...
12:04:00mick_homeoh this is going to be such a crap shoot
12:04:05*mick_home crosses fingers
12:04:16LloreanIf it unzips, you're probably safe.
12:04:28LloreanSince it wouldn't be a valid zip if anything was wrong with it.
12:04:38LloreanNot to mention, the worst that can happen is your iPod doesn't get any better. It won't get any worse.
12:09:49mick_homewell - let me see what i can do w/ itunes
12:10:09mick_homesince i just hosed it a bit more −− worst comes to worst i need to do a manual restore again
12:12:16mick_homeeh, i'll try itunes 7 w/ wine
12:19:46mick_homeshit it isn't seeing the ipod
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12:31:37Lloreangevaerts: Actually, on more thought, I think the "Future Release" due in value is better.
12:31:59LloreanWe can use it to mark patches that are getting close to being usable, without giving users the impression it will definitely be in the next release.
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12:34:26mick_homeok, the ppc restore worked −− now i'll just restart what i was trying before
12:37:29gevaertsLlorean: yes, maybe that is better
12:38:51*Llorean wonders if we can go ahead and commit the iPod Serial patch, actually.
12:42:39mick_homeok, i redid everything listed and now i did the install again −− things looked like they were working
12:42:47mick_homenow wasn't found
12:42:57LloreanYou'll have to get your themes from the wiki for the time being
12:43:05mick_homewhen i restarted the ipod, it boots into the bootloader
12:43:23mick_homerockbox.ipod not found though :-(
12:43:30scorchethe themes on were pretty much all broken anyway...
12:43:49mick_homeif i try the install again it says it can't find the ipod
12:43:52scorchemick_home: did you extract the build zip onto the root of your drive?
12:44:16mick_homei thought that rbutilqt was supposed to do that
12:45:03LloreanDepends on which option you selected.
12:45:14mick_home"complete install"
12:45:18scorcherbutil will do that if you tell it to
12:45:20rasherMaybe rbutil should contain a note to that effect as long as there's no useful
12:45:31Lloreanrasher: I think we need to remove the themes option entirely for the time being
12:45:42LloreanUntil we have a working theme site again.
12:45:44mick_homeya, would be a good idea
12:45:47LloreanAnd one under our control.
12:45:52scorcheLlorean: certainly for the release version
12:46:07Lloreanmick_home: Did you follow the entirety of the manual restore instructions, and get your iPod properly formatted?
12:46:28gevaertsDid you unmount it properly before rebooting?
12:47:07mick_homeshould i redo the instructions?
12:47:09pixelmaand what version of rbutil do you use?
12:47:29mick_homei got it from svn a few hours ago
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12:48:27pixelmahmm? As far as I know rbutil is only distributed in certain versions
12:48:46mick_homewiki says that you can use svn
12:49:29LloreanThe RockboxUtility page barely even mentions SVN
12:49:40LloreanWhere are you seeing this?
12:49:56mick_homemaybe i misread something
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12:50:13gevaertsmick_home: did you unmount properly?
12:50:20pixelmado you mean the gentoo ebuild?
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12:50:30mick_homeprobably not
12:50:46lupinesseumm, i hope i didn't just screw up my sansa e260r
12:51:13lupinesserockbox starts ok but i can't dual-boot to original os and it doesn't show up as usb drive
12:51:27Lloreanlupinesse: Recovery Mode will still work
12:51:32LloreanIt should be described in the SansaFAQ page
12:51:42Lloreanmick_home: Which person was the probably not directed at?
12:51:49lupinesseyeah, it goes to recovery mode ok, but it still doesn't show up as usb drive
12:52:30LloreanRecovery Mode should show up as a 16MB drive.
12:52:48lupinessenope, no extra drives available
12:53:06LloreanRockbox doesn't touch the part of the Sansa where recovery mode is kept, and you can't in any practical sense remove it without going into it first.
12:53:08mick_homeLlorean: gevaerts
12:53:13lupinessei should give it another try
12:53:24Lloreanmick_home: That's likely to be one of your problems then. Improperly removing it is a bad idea.
12:53:35Lloreanlupinesse: You may want to reboot first.
12:53:45mick_homei think that it will all work out alright, restarted and booted into disk mode now i was able to do a standard install
12:54:20lupinesseLlorean: It says 'Welcome to Recovery Mode' and then 'USB cable connected' but there's no USB drive visible in My Computer.
12:54:50mick_homeah shoot
12:54:52Lloreanlupinesse: Did you restart as I suggested?
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12:55:08lupinesseJust plain restart, to Rockbox?
12:55:12mick_homei installed "standard" and then installed fonts and such (no themes)
12:55:17Lloreanlupinesse: Your computer.
12:55:23lupinesseOh :)
12:55:31mick_homei did a "umount /dev/sdc2" and i unplugged it and restarted
12:55:37lupinessePEBKAC ;)
12:55:42mick_homestill "file not found"
12:55:50lupinesseWell, I'll be right back
12:56:06mick_homeshould i try a release?
12:56:44mick_homeoh shoot - i wasn't using svn (i had a thinko)
12:56:47Lloreanmick_home: If rockbox.ipod is in the .rockbox folder on the partition, and the bootloader still isn't seeing it, this usually means that the partition isn't actually formatted quite right.
12:57:02mick_homei'm using m1.0.6 32 bit linux
12:58:24mick_homedamn menu+select isn't rebooting
12:58:34LloreanThen you're doing it wrong.
12:58:41linuxstbOr the hold switch is on?
12:59:15mick_homefinally just did it wrong i guess
13:00:24mick_homei just mounted it and there is no .rockbox folder in there
13:00:37mick_homethe old iPod directories are there though
13:01:31mick_homeit is mounted as /edia/sdc2 −− maybe it is a wrong partition number?
13:01:41mick_home /media/sdc2*
13:02:03linuxstbNo, that's right.
13:02:51lupinesseLlorean: After restart, still no USB drive, but it says 'e200 manufacturer mode' on the USB hub list
13:03:18advcomp2019lupinesse, recovery mode does not work
13:03:53lupinessewell it goes to recovery mode, but i don't see it as usb drive
13:04:19lupinessedoesn't show up anywhere, except the usb hub list, and it doesn't let me even reset the driver :P
13:05:29advcomp2019can you check your disk management to see if it can see the 16mb recovery mode?
13:08:11lupinessenow it showed up, i had to connect it straight to pc instead of using usb hub
13:08:21lupinesseso, then the next step :P
13:08:57lupinesseif i find the right manual page again
13:09:24mick_homeok, my uebercool bluetooth keyboard just pressed up a bunch of times and a accidentally put the mbr on there again (it this really bad?)
13:10:34mick_homewhen an ipod is in disk mode and umounted it says "do not disconnect" −− is it ok?
13:11:13mick_homeif i disconnect it says "ok to disconnect" −− weird
13:12:48mick_homeok, the file not found error comes up again
13:12:53mick_home.rockbox is there
13:13:18lupinessepuuh, unbrick successful :)
13:13:23mick_homeso is the rockbox.ipod file (it is in the .rockbox directory)
13:13:35mick_homelupinesse: awesome :)
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13:13:59scorchelupinesse: it wasnt really "bricked" before...
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13:17:34mick_homeLlorean: since it is a video ipod (30 gig) −− i think it is a 5.5 gen −− could it be that i need to use the mkfs.vfat command for 512-byte sectors instead of the line for 2048 sectors?
13:17:36pixelmainteresting... when copying files to the Sansa in MTP mode (with WMP10), they are put into SYSTEM/MTPCONTENT/x/y/z/some_eight_digit_hex.dat (where x, y, z are 0-F too but only one "digit") - renaming those to mp3 let's me play them in Rockbox
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13:19:31Lloreanmick_home: Yes, I'm pretty sure you shouldn't have used the 2048 one...
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13:22:47pixelmaso if Rockbox's database should find those too, it would need to read accept that .dat files can also be music files. One problem I could see already that there are also some more, smaller .dat files too (info ?)
13:23:35mick_homeoh great :-/
13:25:51Lloreanpixelma: I'm pretty sure .dat files can be *any* data transferred in MTP. I put a file on that it classified as just being copied for storage, and it showed up as a .dat as well, if I recall
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13:28:24pixelmawhat if the database would be clever enough to skip all those which don't have music meta data? Not sure if this is a nice solution though...
13:29:25mick_homeshit still same problem
13:34:34Lloreanpixelma: I think I'd be interested to know if this is the standard way for MTP, or if MTP allows freedom and this is the Sansa way.
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13:34:55mick_homeif someone has a chance to look: −− this is what i did
13:35:02LloreanIf it's standard then there's probably an index we can use to get their original filenames from, and then don't need to scan every single .dat file on the disk
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13:35:46mick_homei'm wondering if the current build isn't broken :-/
13:35:57LloreanYou're failing at the bootloader stage
13:36:03LloreanIt has nothing at all to do with the current build.
13:36:16mick_homeah yes, good point
13:36:25LloreanWhy are you putting the -2048 MBR on it if you're now trying not formatting to 2048?
13:37:14pixelmayeah, that too. I was just thinking of those who still might prefer MTP mode on the Sansas (I didn't enjoy it but at least there was no database refresh, IIRC)... maybe someone could try with an H10?
13:37:18mick_homeoh shit
13:37:24mick_homethanks for catching that
13:38:12Lloreanpixelma: H10 and Gigabeat S would both be places to look, I imagine.
13:40:31LambdaCalculus37pixelma: The Gigabeat S doesn't do a database refresh in MTP mode.
13:41:18pixelmaI was talking about my c200
13:42:14LambdaCalculus37pixelma: I was also referring to what Llorean had said, along with your mention of MTP mode.
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13:47:00pixelmaLambdaCalculus37: I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say. Did you read the beginning of the discussion?
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13:48:11pixelmathe question is whether Sandisk chose an own way for the .dat files you'll get when copying music to the Sansa or if this is typical
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13:49:47mick_homeok damnit −− the ipod sounds like the drive is restarting itself
13:49:49LambdaCalculus37pixelma: Now I see what you're talking about. :)
13:49:51mick_homeover and over
13:50:00mick_homeit makes a click and it restarts
13:51:10mick_homeoh this isn't good
13:51:16LambdaCalculus37pixelma: On the Gigabeat S, the files are transferred to a Content folder in the main storage partition, and obfuscated in a similar fashion to the iPod's file storage.
13:51:44mick_homethere is no hard shutdown on this thing either
13:52:02LambdaCalculus37pixelma: We'll talk more later; I've got to get to work now!
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13:52:55pixelma...sounds similar to the c200 then but needs more investigation
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13:54:36mick_homei guess this thing will restart until it dies
13:54:55mick_homeseems to be an endless loop in bootloader
13:55:05mick_homewell, firmware rather
13:59:30preglowamiconn: i don't have any way in which to record with the nano
13:59:47preglowanyway, i'll try it out and see
14:00:10preglowin a couple of hours anyway, need to go now
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14:00:53scotty_007mick_home: can you shut it down (holding play, I think)?
14:00:56mick_homeholding do to go in disk mode for 60 seconds brought it to disk mode
14:01:07mick_homeholding play didn't work
14:01:11mick_homei did that for 3 minutes
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15:29:24markungevaerts: we should probably start adding targets for the M3 and SP, since the LCD code will be different on the various meizu players.
15:30:30skatteolaany update on the endian issue yet, markun? :)
15:30:53markunskatteola: remind me again tonight :)
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15:32:05markunskatteola: did you see that we can read the touchpad now?
15:32:10skatteolahehe, I'll try. I'm living in JST timezone at the moment, but I guess my biorythm is crapped up enough anyway
15:32:20skatteolaYeah, I saw that
15:32:30markunit has been tested and works on the M6SP, M6SL and M
15:32:39skatteolanice :)
15:32:57markunskatteola: gevaerts also wants me to fix the endian problem, so he'll probably remind me :)
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15:44:00gevaertsmarkun: true
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15:57:30gevaertsmarkun: no
15:59:56kronfluxso I'm curious. how close/far, in you guys' opinions, are we from running any form of custom code, especially rockbox, on the ipod nano 2g? I've been reading the logs of the irc, and watching the forums religiously :p and I figure why not ask those who actually work with it? I see we can now access the DFU mode, and we supposedly have tools to interact with this mode..
16:00:43LambdaCalculus37Rockbox on the iPod nano 2G is still a long way off.
16:00:57LambdaCalculus37There's still the matter of dealing with the firmware encryption.
16:01:08markunbut if the DFU mode works than we have a much better chance
16:01:18LambdaCalculus37markun: That's true. :)
16:01:26kronfluxhas anyone tried anything with it yet?
16:01:33*markun points to LambdaCalculus37
16:02:14LambdaCalculus37kronflux: Nothing yet. I'm going to try to monitor USB traffic to the nano during a firmware restore to see what's going on, since I want notes on that.
16:02:14mick_homethe feature comparison chart on te wiki doesn't have much on ipod firmware vs rockbox firmware in terms of features −− i see under "other features" the ipod is listed, anyone know about things like battery life on the ipod?
16:02:37markunLambdaCalculus37: did you try a modified version of meizu_dfu yet?
16:03:40LambdaCalculus37markun: I tried, but I think I entered the values for the USB IDs incorrectly in the source; will try again when I can sit down and fix my bug.
16:04:46kronfluxcant wait to hear the results :)
16:05:06markunkronflux: are you a programmer?
16:06:51kronfluxsort of. I know the basics of several languages. I havent really touched any form of code in a few years, but I'm a quick study, which is one of the reasons I'm so interested
16:07:08LambdaCalculus37kronflux: Want to help us out? :)
16:07:34kronfluxif theres any way I can, I'd love to. I'd love the learning experience, especially.
16:08:53svpeok.. anything special i need to do to get the ZenLDR working with IDA? i compiled it using the SDK and copied it to the plugins dir. it still doesn't recognize the file as a EDOC though :/
16:09:35LambdaCalculus37kronxflux: Download and set up a development environment on your PC, and then check out the Rockbox source code via SVN.
16:09:43markunkronflux: do you have a computer with Linux (or BSD, OSX..) installed?
16:10:15kronfluxum, currently running windows, but I have another drive set up for ubuntu. I'm only recently learning linux, so its an ongoing process :p
16:10:42mick_homecan rockbox play FLAC?
16:10:46markunmick_home: yes
16:10:50kronfluxyes it can
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16:11:43mick_homefor video codecs, i'm sure that is also in the wiki?
16:12:13LambdaCalculus37kronflux: Check this page out:
16:12:20markunmick_home: mainly this page:
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16:12:50markunno other video codecs (for the newer rockbox targets)
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16:13:25kronfluxalrighty, um, so I dont have to go look for it, whats the svn addy?
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16:15:39LambdaCalculus37kronflux: The command is svn co svn:// rockbox
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16:18:51kronfluxalrighty, I'm gonna switch on over to ubuntu now, so I'll be back shortly.
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16:27:48markunpetur: the dfu tool doesn't work in a virtual machine I think
16:27:57markunKohlrabi: welcome back
16:29:03markunoops :)
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16:31:28mick_homeanyone get the simulator to compile on debian?
16:31:38mick_homei have a failed dependency on the toolchain
16:31:54mick_homegnuarm is missing basically
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16:32:35markunmick_home: you don't need a crosscompiler for the sim
16:32:57mick_homemake[1]: arm-elf-gcc command not found
16:33:10markunthen you didn't select the sim (or something's broken)
16:33:32mick_homei got the source from svn
16:33:40mick_homeand i'm trying to make it
16:33:45markunmick_home: run tools/configure again
16:34:05markunmake sure you select 's'
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16:38:09markunkronflux: in linux now?
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16:38:41kronfluxyep, sorry, was just on the phone.
16:38:55mick_homesomething that i didn't even think of is that rockbox supports multiple languages
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16:39:35markunmick_home: here are some nice stats:">
16:40:28mcuelenaeresvpe: why can't you use the precompiled version?
16:40:40mcuelenaereah he's gone already :(
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16:40:59kronfluxmarkun:I'm grabbing the svn now
16:41:20mcuelenaeresvpe (if you read logs): if you want a quicker answer next time, put 'mcuelenaere:' in your request; that way my IRC client will notify me
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16:51:02kronfluxalrighty, i've got the svn, and i'm looking at the crosscompiler page
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16:52:33markunkronflux: you can run tools/ to build the arm crosscompiler you need
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17:08:43kronfluxthis takes a while :p
17:13:40kronfluxfinally, its done.
17:15:42markunkronflux: in utils/meizu_dfu you can type 'make' to build the tool
17:15:54markunbut I think you will have to install libusb first
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17:17:38kronfluxI typed make, and it spit out this: gcc -o meizu_dfu meizu_dfu.c -lusb
17:18:51skatteolaIf that's all it worked, the executable is meizu_dfu
17:19:43skatteola(sorry, haven't been following the conversation :) )
17:23:18kronfluxso now that thats installed.. how can I help?
17:28:21markunkronflux: first compile our 'bootloader' code. Create a folder, run tools/configure in there and select the meizu and then bootloader.
17:29:32markuneh, wait, you're the nano 2g guy.. :)
17:29:41kronfluxyep :p
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17:30:00markunLambdaCalculus37: can you help him get into DFU mode?
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17:31:09LambdaCalculus37kronflux: Before we begin... do you have an extra DAP on hand? We're about to destroy the nano's firmware here.
17:31:41LambdaCalculus37Another MP3 player.
17:31:45kronfluxoh. nope XD
17:31:52markun... in case you want to listen to music
17:32:10kronfluxI wonder if itunes will recover the ipod when you break the firmware?
17:32:14LambdaCalculus37It will.
17:32:21kronfluxoh, then no problems then ;)
17:32:35LambdaCalculus37Okay, here we go! Hold on to your hats! :)
17:32:41kronfluxand yes, I do have another ipod.. just I dont use it. lol.. but I have cd's, and I only use the ipod in the car ;)
17:33:07LambdaCalculus37First, put the iPod into Disk Mode... MENU+SELECT to reboot, then SELECT+PLAY at the Apple logo.
17:33:29kronfluxI suppose I should hook it up first
17:34:04kronfluxthere disk mode.
17:34:18kronfluxis it normal for the light not to come on?
17:34:28LambdaCalculus37In Disk Mode, yes.
17:34:37kronfluxso we're in that
17:34:44LambdaCalculus37Anyway, open a terminal, and type df -h
17:35:21kronfluxdone and done
17:35:39LambdaCalculus37What device is your iPod listed as? /dev/????
17:37:11kronfluxthat doesnt look like my ipod..
17:37:12petur /dev/ummm :)
17:37:31LambdaCalculus37Should be something like /dev/sda2, for example.
17:37:39kronflux/dev/sda1 36G 9.0G 25G 27% is what came up
17:37:47kronfluxbut its certainly not 9gigs:p
17:38:00LambdaCalculus37That is not your iPod. That's your computer's hard drive.
17:38:08LambdaCalculus37And we're *not* going to trash that. ;)
17:38:16kronfluxpreferrably ;)
17:38:55LambdaCalculus37kronflux: Here, copy the output of df -h to this site: and give us back the link it gives you.
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17:41:00kronfluxneat little site, never heard of it, but I like it. I'll definitely get more use out of this XD
17:41:07LambdaCalculus37Did you connect the nano to the PC?
17:41:15kronfluxI can try a different usb port..
17:41:24LambdaCalculus37Yes, do so.
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17:42:00scotty_007kronflux: maybe you should look at the syslog too
17:42:09skatteolaor just dmesg | tail ?
17:42:41LambdaCalculus37That works.
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17:42:46gevaertsLambdaCalculus37: not everyone has automounters set up
17:42:52kronflux[ 7218.094550] sd 7:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg6 type 0
17:43:28*LambdaCalculus37 doesn't want to keep asking a bunch of off-topic crap here
17:43:34kronfluxso I think its sdf
17:43:38kronfluxor something
17:43:38LambdaCalculus37kronflux: Join #rockbox-community
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17:50:05mcuelenaerewhere are the .elf files kept for plugins during compilation?
17:50:38mcuelenaereahh they aren't made for Simulators
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18:42:18n1samiconn: shouldn't FS #7402 be closed now that you have fixed the bug?
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19:08:13Nico_Pmcuelenaere: is there something new?
19:08:23Nico_Poops, wrong channel
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19:27:56LambdaCalculus37kronflux: Register for the wiki under your real name. I'll give you write access once you're done.
19:29:28amiconnn1s: No, since it isn't fixed for all affected targets. Especially not for the one it was reported on...
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19:31:04LambdaCalculus37kronflux: Let me give you access.
19:32:05LambdaCalculus37kronflux: All done! Welcome to Rockbox!
19:32:26*LambdaCalculus37 gives kronflux a Character Class Change... you are now a 1st level Rockbox Hacker :)
19:33:47n1samiconn: aha
19:34:27amiconnipod video has a different wolfson
19:36:45*amiconn grabs wm8758.[ch] and starts working on it
19:37:26*ruskie wonders if there's any alternative to the ipod shuffle 2g that can run rockbox...
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19:37:51LambdaCalculus37ruskie: Look at the front page.
19:38:42ruskienothing usable there
19:38:48LambdaCalculus37kronflux: There's a page on the wiki for the 2nd gen nano. If you ever find any good info, you can post it all up there.
19:39:02ruskieI believe all those include some sort of a display
19:39:07advcomp2019ruskie, if you want to help, there is the sansa clip
19:39:17ruskiestill has a pointless display :)
19:39:24 Part scotty_007
19:39:39ruskieand I am trying to find any possible key combo that might be usable to get rockbox onto the shuffle anyway
19:39:44amiconnruskie: If you want something without a display (on the main unit), try to find an iaudio M3. It is hdd based though
19:40:41ruskieI'd guess it's also quite bigger than the shuffle due to the hdd
19:40:51amiconnDoes the shuffle G2(+) have the same partition layout as the Nano G2(+) ?
19:41:16ruskieno clue... never seen a nano g2
19:41:27LambdaCalculus37amiconn: No idea.
19:41:38ruskieif you can point me to where this is displayed I can run a fdisk on it...
19:41:45amiconnIirc it is based on the same SoC, so perhaps the nano g2 hacking could help bringing rockbox to the shuffle g2 as well
19:44:11ruskie <−− does this make any sense?
19:45:12gevaertsmarkun: you used input and output from the point of view of the qt1106. Shouldn't we use the CPU PoV ?
19:48:56markungevaerts: yes, good idea. Also, the return value doesn't have to be masked anymore
19:49:08markunthat's a leftover from when the code was a bit different
19:49:38gevaertsI'm putting all that in drivers/qt1106.c right now
19:50:14markunok. Will the defines be in the target tree? (since they might be different for other targets using the qt1106 in future)
19:51:15gevaertsThe QT specific ones will be in export/qt1106.h (the QT_* ones), I'm not sure yet about the others
19:51:49gevaertsI need to check how GPIO is handled for the other ports
19:53:38markungevaerts: well, other can define their own macros. Or maybe we should turn them into inline functions?
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19:54:31markunI will check the GPIO pins of the other buttons and the CHANGE pin
19:55:21gevaertsinline functions won't make much of a difference here. They will still be target specific
19:56:16gevaertsCan someone remind me about the likely causes of "export/font.h:33:21: error: sysfont.h: No such file or directory" ?
19:56:40markunusually and error in SOURCES
19:56:50markunand -> an
19:57:22gevaertsindeed. fixed
19:58:14markunthe CHANGE pin works
19:58:32markunbut somehow it triggers 2 reads instead of just 1
20:00:14markunah, 1 time for pressing, 1 time for releasing
20:00:37gevaertsmakes sense I guess
20:03:09markungevaerts: here are the changes:
20:03:27mick_homeok, i'm still having problems installing rockbox −− what i'm doing so far is:
20:03:34gevaertsI'll try to merge that into my tree
20:04:26markunmick_home: I have no idea, sorry
20:05:24gevaertsmick_home: can you check dmesg output after the hdparm -z to see if it really re-reads the partition able?
20:06:01mick_homegevaerts: it does −− after doing an install (again) −− it says "no partition" when it reboots
20:06:12mick_homeoops - wrong tab :)
20:07:05mick_homeshit - sdb: p2 exceeds device capacity
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20:07:37mick_homethat just can't be good
20:08:41mick_homedf -h says that 64K is used (so it must be another partition)
20:09:00mick_homewhat do i mount the mbr as? (what filesystem)
20:09:10mick_homeor the firmware partition
20:09:26mick_homesdb and sdb1
20:10:40mick_homei guess i can just zero out /dev/sdb w/ dd -right?
20:10:55mick_homedd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb
20:11:25gevaertsmick_home: I'd suggest to run badblocks -w /dev/sdb before doing anything else. This will take a while, but I suspect the hard drive
20:12:30mick_homegevaerts: how long would you say that will take?
20:12:34mick_homeon 30 gigs
20:12:37gevaertsmarkun: long
20:12:42gevaertsmick_home: long
20:12:43mick_home2 hrs?
20:12:48mick_homeor 8 hrs?
20:13:24gevaertsYou can do it for a few blocks first to have an estimate. See the manpage
20:13:40mick_homeman badblocks
20:13:51mick_homedamn, wrong kb −− i need to setup synergy
20:16:28gevaertsmarkun: I've split out the qt1106 related things to separate files. Shall I commit now so we have a common base again?
20:17:36mick_homehmm, would it be a bad thing to ctrl+c it?
20:17:45markunbetter to commit whenever we have something working, then other people can join in
20:17:53mick_homei wish that these things had progress bars :-/
20:19:09markungevaerts: we need to add (at least) the M6SP and M3 to tools/configure (and elsewhere). Is it better to do that now or shall we first focus on the SL?
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20:20:22gevaertsmick_home: this isn't really rockbox related at this point. Could you join #rockbox-community for further talk about this until you get back to actually installing rockbox?
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20:20:55gevaertsmarkun: doing it now won't get in the way I think, so why not?
20:21:20mick_homegevaerts: oh i'm sorry - i didn't even know about that
20:21:30mick_homeso sorry −− didn't know it was a -devel channel
20:21:44gevaertsit's also support
20:21:58gevaertsBut your issues are not rockbox issues right now
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20:23:17markungevaerts: does the order matter? 111 for SP and 112 for M3?
20:23:40gevaertsfine with me
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20:33:37markungevaerts: just copy everything from meizu-m6sl for now?
20:33:47mick_homeok, ii've been directed back here :) −− so i put in "/dev/sdb" and "autodetect" and it changed the path to /mnt/sdb2 (which is the mounted vfat partition)
20:34:14mick_homei click on "small installation" and it says that it moves files −− but nothing is in there (afaik)
20:34:18mick_homels -las
20:34:19amiconngevaerts: Indeed, the channel isn't dev-only
20:34:19gevaertsmarkun: at least for the m3, which seems pretty identical
20:34:36mick_homeoops (again) −− it does move them (sorry) −− hidden directory
20:35:06mick_homecd ..
20:35:17*gevaerts hands mick_home a better window manager :)
20:35:27mick_homeok - i'll be right back
20:35:39mick_homei can't do this anymore :)
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20:36:29*amiconn would like to remind people that while longish unrelated jabber should go into #rockbox-community, it is still better to have a few unrelated lines here than having dev talk happen in #rockbox-community, effectively losing it from the logs
20:36:34markungevaerts: what shall name the round button?
20:37:09LambdaCalculus37markun: Toggle?
20:37:22markunLambdaCalculus37: I have no idea what that button does in the OF, do you?
20:37:30gevaertsamiconn: I expected that that part would be a lot longer.
20:37:38LambdaCalculus37markun: No. We should ask wpyh when he's around.
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20:37:58gevaertsSo does that player have a slider and three buttons?
20:38:49amiconnI was mainly referring to all the meizu hacking and nano g2 dfu mode talk today
20:38:54gevaertsI suspect that the round thing is actually two buttons
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20:39:18mick_home*sigh* that sucked :)
20:39:25markungevaerts: just downloaded the manual, let me check
20:39:51gevaertsmarkun: if I'm right, the keymap will be exactly the same as the m6
20:41:36*mick_home crosses fingers again
20:41:54markungevaerts: looks like you're right
20:42:02mick_homeno partition found again :-/
20:42:37gevaertsmick_home: again the p2 exceeds device capacity thing?
20:43:48markungevaerts: "Click the Previous/Next key to previous/next music"
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20:44:47mick_homegevaerts: something like that
20:44:57kronfluxso yes.
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20:45:06LambdaCalculus37kronflux: Basically, let's get up to speed here... the 2nd gen nano uses a Samsung SoC, which is the same chip as found in another player with an in-progress port, the Meizu M6 and M3.
20:45:06mick_home[16935.945263] sdb: p2 exceeds device capacity
20:45:06mick_home[16936.350322] attempt to access beyond end of device
20:45:07gevaertsmick_home: can you show a few lines earlier?
20:45:57amiconnWhat target is that?
20:46:14LambdaCalculus37kronflux: What we're trying to find out is if the work we've done on the Meizu thus far can also be done on the nano.
20:46:34kronfluxso how might we go about testing that?
20:46:49gevaertsamiconn: mick_home's issue? ipod video
20:47:01amiconnCapacity? exact model?
20:47:40LambdaCalculus37kronflux: I want to perhaps see what happens when you compile a Meizu M6 or M3 bootloader and send it to the nano with the meizu_dfu tools.
20:47:42mick_homegevaerts: ^^^ i think that these are the relevant lines
20:48:00gevaertsmick_home: did you use the 5.5G or the 5G MBR ?
20:48:17kronfluxLambdaCalculus37: is that exactly safe? :P
20:48:40gevaertsThis is a 5.5G, and it looks as if you used the 5G one
20:48:40LambdaCalculus37kronflux: Who knows? :)
20:49:03kronfluxLambdaCalculus37: hm. well I'm sold. :p I'm in :D
20:49:10gevaertsmick_home: you need mbr-video30gb-2048.bin
20:49:30kronfluxipods are relatively cheap these days, so if I brick mine, oh well.
20:49:46mick_homei tried that one before and it didn't work - so i tried the other one
20:49:56mick_homeok, will do - i'll change the other line too
20:50:00gevaertsmick_home: and you need mkfs.vfat -S 2048 -F 32 /dev/sdb2
20:50:24amiconnIsn't there a bug in mkfs.vfat that makes it not work for the G5.5 ipods?
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20:50:46mick_homeoh don't say that :(
20:50:55gevaertsamiconn: wpyh did some testing on that and didn't find problems
20:50:58mick_homeif that is the case then i'm screwed
20:51:06mick_homemy presentation is in 3 hrs
20:51:18gevaertsmick_home: no. If this doesn't work, there's still mformat
20:52:34gevaertsmick_home: actually, before you restore the firmware, do "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb1"
20:52:56mick_homedidn't i ask before if i should do that :-P
20:53:01mick_homeheh - thanks - will do
20:53:20mick_homeah i would have done it on the whole thing −− better to only do that partition
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20:53:47gevaertsNormally it's not needed, but there is a bug in the released bootloader that could cause problems if you first use the wrong mbr
20:54:26gevaertsAlthough I think that should only be a problem if you do it the other way round (use a 2048-byte mbr on a 512-byte ipod)
20:54:41mick_homedd: writing to `/dev/sdb1': Input/output error
20:54:41mick_home17209+0 records in
20:54:41mick_home17208+0 records out
20:54:41DBUGSent KICK mick_home to server
20:54:41mick_home8810496 bytes (8.8 MB) copied, 16.3916 s, 538 kB/s
20:54:42Kick(#rockbox mick_home :No flooding!) by logbot!n=bjst@gateway/web/cgi-irc/
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20:55:30mick_home4 lines is a flood?
20:55:33mick_homesince when
20:55:34gevaertsmick_home: please use a pastebin for those
20:55:40mick_homethat was 4 lines
20:55:54mick_home5 lines is a flood
20:56:16gevaertsnot here, sorry
20:56:23mick_homeok, dually noted
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20:56:38gevaertsAnyway, that looks like a bad disk to me...
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20:58:53mick_homeok, this is odd
20:58:55mick_home dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb1
20:59:01mick_homegives me: dd: writing to `/dev/sdb1': No space left on device
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20:59:33gevaertsthat's normal. It says that when the partition is full
20:59:54mick_homeeven if i'm zeroing it out
20:59:58mick_homea second time
21:00:18*gevaerts corrects himself
21:00:29gevaertsIt says that when the dd reaches the end of the partition
21:01:12mick_homewhen i reread the partition table it says: BLKRRPART failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
21:01:22gevaertsreread how?
21:01:29*amiconn notices that mick_home is using a buggy dd
21:01:47amiconnIt doesn't calculate the correct amount of data
21:02:05amiconn17208 sectors are ~35MB on a G5.5, not 8.8MB
21:02:31domonokyso its dd and not a bad harddisk.. :-)
21:02:38gevaertsamiconn: dd always uses 512 byte blocks by default IIRC
21:03:10amiconnHmm, but 8.8MB would be definitely not the whole firmware partition
21:03:30gevaertsNo, but it stopped on an IO error
21:04:03gevaertsmick_home: I would just unplug the ipod and plug it back in to force rereading the mbr
21:04:29mick_home <−− this doesn't look good :-(
21:04:52mick_homei zeroed the other partitions to start from scratch
21:06:44gevaertsmick_home: did you leave any partitions mounted while doing all that?
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21:07:28mick_homegevaerts: no
21:08:12gevaertsmick_home: unplug it, plug it back in, and show what dmesg says about it
21:10:16mick_homewell, nothing new
21:10:22mick_homei did: tail | dmesg
21:10:31*gevaerts hopes the reverse
21:10:34mick_homethough the other info is interesting (pastebining now)
21:12:35mick_home[19862.290812] hub 1-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 2
21:12:42mick_homethat is the last thing it said
21:13:25gevaertsbad contact on the cable. Unplug the cable on both ends and try again
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21:15:31gevaertsmarkun: did you remember the ibook and the meizu_dfu endianness issues?
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21:16:39mick_homei'm using a macbook (if that means anything)
21:16:43gevaertsOK. reset the ipod then
21:16:48mick_homei do own an ibook though
21:16:50HulkSmashNowHello. I'm trying to install rockbox on my Sansa C240 and am using the Rockbox Utility. It keeps giving me the "failed to add Bootloader" error. Can anyone help? Thanks.
21:17:09gevaertsHulkSmashNow: do you have root/administrator rights?
21:17:46kronfluxLambdaCalculus37: so where might I find a bootloader for meizu?
21:18:07gevaertsHulkSmashNow: are you sure you have a v1?
21:18:22HulkSmashNowYes. It's a v1.
21:18:48gevaertsmick_home: doesn't matter. just reset it and try again. It connected earlier, so it should connect again (unless the cable is broken now)
21:19:42mick_homeconnects now, but i see erors:
21:19:50mick_homethis time it did connect though
21:19:51domonokyHulkSmashNow: you could try sansapatcher, maybe this gives more info, why it failes.
21:19:56gevaertsHulkSmashNow: which firmware version?
21:20:17advcomp2019HulkSmashNow, you in mtp or msc mode?
21:20:28LambdaCalculus37kronflux: You'll have to build one from source.
21:20:29HulkSmashNowThe latest firmware, 1.01.07 and I'm in MSC mode.
21:20:38*domonoky sees something in the rbutil wiki page...
21:21:07domonokyrbutil1.0.6 has a bug with this firmware on sansas..
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21:21:35bertrikHulkSmashNow, that version is supported in the very latest version but possibly not in the latest release of rbutil
21:21:58domonokyits fixed in svn, but we didnt release a new version till then... perhaps the released sansapatcher already has that fix ?
21:22:07HulkSmashNowSo, what do I do now? Install it manually?
21:22:08gevaertsmick_home: first format /dev/sdb2 with 2048 byte sectors.
21:22:47domonokyHulkSmashNow: try sansapatcher to install the bootloader, for the rest you can the use rbutil..
21:23:23bertrikHulkSmashNow, do you know how to compile a qt application?
21:23:31bluebrotherdomonoky: what bug are you talking about?
21:23:59bluebrotherand iirc there hasn't been an updated sansapatcher binary released
21:24:11domonokybluebrother: sansa c200 with firmware 01.01.07, i think the key was missing ?
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21:24:24HulkSmashNowSansapatcher gives "failed to decrypt image, aborting" error.
21:24:32bluebrotherwell, I wouldn't consider that a bug but rather a limitation ;-)
21:24:58domonokywhat ever we call it, its the problem HulkSmashNow sees now :-)
21:25:10bluebrotherwell, latest sansapatcher binaries are build in october ...
21:25:17mick_homei'm back to the file not found error
21:25:18bluebrotherHulkSmashNow: what OS are you using?
21:25:26HulkSmashNowWinXP SP3
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21:25:56bluebrothergimme a couple of minutes and I can provide you a rbutil binary build from current svn.
21:26:00mick_homei did a "small install" (i think that was what it was called)
21:26:06bluebrotherthat should work with 1.01.07
21:26:07mick_homethis file exists -> /mnt/sdb2/.rockbox
21:26:20bluebrothermick_home: this isn't a file, it has to be a folder
21:26:42gevaertsmick_home: does /mnt/sdb2/.rockbox/rockbox.ipod exist?
21:27:02mick_homebash: cd: rockbox.ipod: Not a directory
21:27:14dionoeait's a file :)
21:27:40mick_homebluebrother: error on my part. yes the directory .rockbox exists and the file rockbox.ipod does too
21:28:05mick_homeboot loader doesn't see it though
21:28:14mick_homeback to my original problem :-/
21:29:16gevaertsmick_home: can you install the bootloader from ?
21:30:29gevaertsmick_home: you'll need to download (or compile) ipodpatcher for that. rbutil won't install it
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21:32:39mick_homeok,. i'll look up ipodpatcher
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21:33:17mick_homei just downloaded a bootloader (
21:33:57gevaertsThat's the one
21:34:08bluebrotherHulkSmashNow: I've put you an updated rbutil online (it even contains uncommitted code ;-) Try this one:
21:35:00gevaertsmick_home: now as soon as you have ipodpatcher, run ./ipodpatcher -a bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod
21:35:10*bluebrother notices that he semi-updated that folder
21:35:12HulkSmashNowAppreciate that so much. I'll try it now.
21:35:22bluebrothershouldn't affect the sansapatcher part though.
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21:38:47HulkSmashNowIt's giving me "No Sansa detected." The other version of utility didn't do that.
21:39:28mick_homegevaerts: it installed, i ejected /dev/sdb2 and i started it again −− said "file not found" again
21:39:59mick_homegoing into disk mode again
21:40:36mick_homeok, here is something interesting... kde seems it as 29G and 119G
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21:40:54mick_homewonder where the 119G are coming from
21:41:15bluebrotherHulkSmashNow: ok ... can you try an updated sansapatcher? Maybe I made a mistake with the updated build (and sansapatcher is a smaller download for you ;-)
21:41:34*gevaerts is out of ideas
21:41:35HulkSmashNowWill do it now.
21:42:02mick_homei just hit "install rockbox" and ejected the device
21:42:10*mick_home crosses fingers
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21:43:27mick_homeok, i'm googling now
21:43:51HulkSmashNowSansapatcher says that it doesn't detect any Sansa devices.
21:44:42bluebrotherhmm. Is your c200 a v1 device?
21:45:05HulkSmashNowWell, I ran Sansapatcher again and it detected the device this time.
21:45:14gevaertsbluebrother: it's 1.01.07
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21:45:39bluebrothergevaerts: ah, dang. This small version number thingy ... ;-)
21:46:05*bluebrother does a clean rebuild of rbutil
21:46:10HulkSmashNowDo I go ahead and install the bootloader?
21:46:17HulkSmashNowunder Sansapatcher?
21:46:28bluebrotherwell, if it detects the player I don't see a reason why not ;)
21:46:39HulkSmashNowokay. Then use the utility?
21:46:58mick_homeinteresting someone said to cp the .ipod file out of the .rockbox directory
21:47:02HulkSmashNowIt says bootloader installed successfully.
21:47:05bluebrotherif you feel more comfortable you can also wait another few minutes until my box has finished building rbutil. A full rebuild takes a while on my machine
21:47:06bertrikHulkSmashNow, yes
21:47:29HulkSmashNowbluebrother, I'll wait for you.
21:47:30gevaertsmick_home: won't help
21:47:42HulkSmashNowAnd thanks for everyone's help here.
21:47:44bluebrotherHulkSmashNow: nice. Then you can just use rbutil for everything else. You might not want to use the automated install though ;)
21:48:11mick_homeseems to be that everyone that comes across this has my particular ipod :-/
21:48:44HulkSmashNowbluebrother, which option? Just "Install Rockbox" under "Installation?"
21:49:41mick_homeinteresting −− it now mounted to /media/disk −− the ipod stuff is there but no .rockbox
21:49:53mick_homehow can i just get something to untar there?
21:50:27mick_homeerr the .rockbox directory not "something" :)
21:50:45bluebrotherHulkSmashNow: yes. The quick start tab only calls those installs, and it always tries to install bootloader and build.
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21:51:27gevaertsmick_home: just rerun rbutil
21:51:29mick_homei'm trying w/ the rbutil
21:51:37domonokymick_home: yes, you can simply unpack a current rockbox archive to your ipod..
21:51:53gevaertsmick_home: please use real words. w/ doesn't mean anything
21:51:58bluebrotherunzip -d /media/disk
21:52:18mick_homegevaerts: ok, i will
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21:52:42*mick_home crosses fingers
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21:54:14HulkSmashNowIt worked! Again, thank you guys so much! This was a great experience.
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21:55:02mick_homei feel like crying at this point
21:55:31mick_homebeaten by an ipod of all things :(
21:55:50gevaertsmick_home: try the mformat way.
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22:12:57Horscht$hello = char("hello)
22:16:23mick_home <−− i don't think that this should have been closed
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22:17:19gevaertsmick_home: have you tried mformat yet?
22:17:30mick_homehow do i know the drive letter?
22:17:36bertrikhas anyone ever looked at "Odys" players? (I searched the forums and found nothing). It quite cheap yet looks quite nice:
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22:19:34gevaertsbertrik: I would bet on atj2085
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22:20:40bertrikgevaerts, that's probably the cpu/main controller in it, you mean?
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22:20:59gevaertsbertrik: yes. That or a derivative
22:21:41*bertrik hunts the datasheet
22:22:31gevaertsActually, seeing the 320x240 screen it may be something more powerful
22:24:08gevaertsbertrik: gevaerts/atj2085.pdf">
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22:24:36bertrikit says the instruction set is compatible with Z80 :S
22:25:07gevaertsyes, but a 60MHz Z80!
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22:26:28gevaertsIt could be something else of course, but the atj2085 is very common in really cheap players, especially those that use these AMV/RMV/... video formats
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22:29:13mcuelenaereanyone in here with some NAND accessing experience?
22:29:35bertrikgevaerts, ok thanks for the lead
22:29:58bertrikmcuelenaere, I've interfaced with raw NAND a few times
22:30:08mcuelenaereah cool
22:30:19mcuelenaerewhat should I expect when reading an OOB from a random page?
22:30:22mcuelenaerein raw data
22:30:39mcuelenaereor isn't there some kind of standard?
22:30:41bertriksorry, an OOB?
22:31:06mcuelenaereyeah, I think it stands for Out-Of-Band
22:31:32mcuelenaereif I'm correct, a NAND chip has x pages and for every page, it has an additional OOB (which is smaller)
22:31:42mcuelenaerewhich contains ECC information etc
22:31:45mcuelenaereand bad blocks
22:31:54bertrikmcuelenaere, sorry I don't know about that
22:32:01mcuelenaerehmm too bad
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22:32:35mcuelenaerebut in short for reading a page, all I have to do is give the read page command, set the rows and columns and start reading data, right?
22:32:57bertrikwhat I've done is just identify, erase and write NAND flash and it didn't have OOB
22:33:14mcuelenaerewell that's all I need :)
22:33:21mcuelenaereOOB shouldn't be that much harder
22:33:48mcuelenaerebut I can't seem to get past the identify stage :/
22:34:28bertrikThe flash I worked with was simply mapped into a memory space of a CPU, with separate address and data buses
22:35:10mcuelenaereyou mean you could access the flash'es contents directly in memory?
22:35:40bertrikyes, reading it was a matter of simple direct memory access
22:36:42mcuelenaereah, sounds like the ZVM case
22:36:49mcuelenaerebut not the Onda :/
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22:41:43mick_homeok, god hates me
22:41:50mick_homei get everything runnning
22:42:03mick_homei hit the up arrow and that stupid bluetooth bug hits me
22:42:08agaffneywhich god?
22:42:14mick_homeit ends on the "dd" line :)
22:42:35dionoeamust be the "rockbox on a dap" god
22:42:37mick_homeagaffney: don't worry - only my god hates me. your god likes me :)
22:42:57*gevaerts thinks that this is the god they call murphy
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22:43:35mick_homewherever there is a bug open regarding mkfs.vfat not working −− please add a comment for me
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22:43:50agaffneymick_home: I have no god :P
22:43:51gevaertsSo mformat works?
22:44:00mick_homei hope that i can just "redo" everything and have it work again
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22:44:07mick_homeagaffney: i'm atheist :-P
22:44:14agaffneyas am I
22:44:21mick_homei got that ;)
22:44:37agaffneyI really with those silly christians wouldn't be so presumptious and give their god a name instead of just using "God" like it's the only one :P
22:44:46gevaertsplease, topic...
22:45:12*gevaerts mentions the existence of #rockbox-community again
22:45:27agaffneygevaerts: Murphy wasn't a god...just a politician :P
22:45:34agaffneypoliticians make laws
22:45:47*gevaerts wants to reply but can't because of the topic
22:46:02*agaffney is done
22:49:25mick_homeiiiiiiii hate my life
22:49:32mick_homefile not found
22:52:04gevaertsmick_home: which dd command did you accidentally run?
22:53:08mick_homeok sweet - i just reran rbutilqt (had to run it 2 times) −− odd but oh well
22:53:24mick_homei'm not sure when i have last been this happy
22:53:29mick_homeyou guys are awesome
22:53:42gevaertshave fun, and don't touch it again!
22:54:23mick_homelol, actually i think i'll mess with it more actually
22:54:38mick_homei'm a programmer :-P
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22:57:49Gartralany idea why the idle shutoff timer is broken?
22:59:52Gartralnvm, stupidity ensues
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23:01:21funmanHillshum: hey
23:01:48Hillshumaww... i have to go now
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23:01:58funmanoops :/
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23:02:38mick_homebtw - anyone use amarok w/ rockbox?
23:02:39funmani'll try to connect after 20 UTC (14h for you ?)
23:02:48mick_homedo i just use "generic audio player" with it?
23:03:23Hillshumi can't be on every day tho
23:03:30funmanno problem
23:03:37funmando you use im ?
23:04:01Hillshumnot really
23:04:03funmani'm more often connected on jabber/msn
23:04:12Hillshummsn works
23:04:42funmanI sent you my msn via notice
23:06:56mick_homeooooooook, as cool as it is to look at this −− i'm sure someone will ask me "so does that thing play music"? i'd like to answer "yes" :)
23:07:42gevaertsmick_home: just put music anywhere you want...
23:07:49mick_homesorry for the repeated keystrokes −− trust me it isn't me doing it :)
23:08:09mick_homeso just outside the .rockbox directory i take it
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23:09:33gevaertsmick_home: I use a directory called "audio", but it doesn't matter.
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23:11:03mick_homemaaaaaaaan i'm so freakin giddy right now
23:11:17mick_homei've got sound −− this is so damn cool
23:11:48mick_homeand i have it connected to amarok −− even cooler :D
23:12:07mick_homeok, sorry for ranting −− i've spent all day on this
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23:32:21peturbugger, why is the sim segfaulting :(
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23:35:15kushal_12_27_200I have a quick question for the Sansa c250 running 20080904 version of RockBox. How do I end recording from the microphone? Right now, I press haphazard buttons and it is a hit and miss situation. Please reply if you know something about it or can tell me where I can find the answer. Thank you.
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23:37:43n1skushal_12_27_200: I suggest checking the manual
23:38:53#>>"explain manual" by petur (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur)
23:40:28kushal_12_27_200I read the record section before but could not find it. :(
23:40:40*kushal_12_27_200 goes to the website for the latest edition of the manual
23:41:01bluebrotherlogbot explain update
23:41:11#>>"explain rtfm" by petur (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur)
23:41:32agaffneyugh, why does the bot use /notify instead of sending directly to the channel?
23:42:00bmblbut I don't want to read the manual now :(
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23:42:33kushal_12_27_200Isn't it this page that I am supposed to read? I cannot find the information I need. :
23:43:00peturnot settings
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23:44:02peturtry this:
23:44:37n1shmm, that WRS info is a bit hard to find
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23:48:38kushal_12_27_200thank you for the link but it is a bit hard because when I press long power, it shuts down. :(
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23:50:10kushal_12_27_200I think I just need to get accustomed to it now. Thank you very much. You guys are awesome! :)
23:52:23peturerrrr that sounds like a bug
23:52:34peturmaybe you press it too long?
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23:54:25kushal_12_27_200When it works, I only need to press for three seconds to go to the previous window. I think I need to press seven seconds before it shuts down unceremoniously.
23:54:59*kushal_12_27_200 thinks he should have tried that before writing something that is going to be archived forever in
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