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01:12:47	tapiocapudding	Hey there rockbox...people
01:12:56	tapiocapudding	I have a question
01:13:06	tapiocapudding	Forgive me if I sound stupid
01:13:18	tapiocapudding	but is there a way to change the rockbox boot logo for the iPod nano?
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01:18:32	tapiocapudding	i suppose i'll take that as a "nobody is willing to answer your question right now." mnkay.
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01:31:02	saratoga	anyone want to comment on FS #9373 - Fix test_codec on multiprocessor codecs ?
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01:31:37	damaltor	hello everybody
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01:33:07	damaltor	havin a problem with my ipod 1st generation, the one with the "real" scrolling wheel. i can see the rockbox main menu, but i cannot move the selection with the wheel. although i can open the selected menu point, "files", by pressing select or forward
01:33:20	damaltor	what now ?
01:33:22	damaltor	:/
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01:44:52	amiconn	damaltor: That's a known problem with some 1st Gen ipods. There is no fix yet, but it should be fixable
01:45:06	amiconn	Another thing /me should look into fixing :\
01:45:12	damaltor	thats bad..
01:45:31	damaltor	just reading through the forums, with no really success
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01:46:02	damaltor	looks like the wheel is switched of by apples firmware cause it takes up too much energy
01:46:07	amiconn	The problem with these (probably very early) 1st Gens is that they don't have a certain value that makes rockbox detect them as 1st Gens
01:46:18	damaltor	so rockbox doesnt know this
01:46:34	amiconn	So they are treated as 2nd Gen, which has no switchable wheel power
01:46:44	amiconn	..and hence rockbox doesn't enable the wheel
01:47:05	damaltor	ah and i now noticed another thing: if i try to switch it off, by holding play, it reboots. over and over again. even when it switches of after a while, it reboots.
01:47:17	damaltor	why this?
01:47:28	amiconn	The wheel does indeed suck a lot of power, so rockbox only enables it for a very brief period every tick, until it detects actual movement
01:47:42	amiconn	Because 1st and 2ndf Gens cannot be turned off
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01:47:58	amiconn	They can only be put into suspend, but rockbox cannot do this yet
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01:48:06	damaltor	wtf.. apple firmware can, but rockbx not? ipodlinux cant turn it of, either...
01:48:20	amiconn	apple does suspend, not turn off
01:48:36	damaltor	ok, so why doesnt rockbox suspend then?
01:48:46	amiconn	...but rockbox cannot do this yet
01:48:55	damaltor	ah ok
01:48:55	damaltor	=)
01:49:18	amiconn	I know how to do the actual suspend, but implementing it in rockbox needs reworking a lot of code to properly wake up again
01:49:26	damaltor	oh oh
01:49:44	damaltor	so, if you want me testing, just drop me a mail
01:49:45	amiconn	(currently it would wake up, but not react properly anymore)
01:50:04	amiconn	I have a 1st Gen myself (although the slightly newer type that rockbox can detect)
01:50:21	damaltor	i have that 10gb version
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01:50:41	damaltor	wich has the same model no like the 5gb one
01:50:57	amiconn	Anyway, when the wheel problem will be fixed you can already use rockbox, it's just a bit cumbersome to get it into suspend
01:51:21	damaltor	yeah.. rebooting into apple os to suspend isnt the nicest way
01:51:22	amiconn	It's an internal issue. Did you ever update the original firmware on it?
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01:51:45	damaltor	hmm
01:52:17	*	amiconn guesses not
01:52:20	damaltor	and rockbox f.cks up the contrast. apple os isnt really readable anymore, i have to put contrast on maximum to barely read anything
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01:52:49	amiconn	Yeah, I know about this too... should be fixable as well
01:53:03	damaltor	will it be gone if rockbox is removed by the installer?
01:53:17	amiconn	It's just that I don't care much about this specific problem, as I never use the OF for anything else than suspending
01:53:34	damaltor	nothing against rockbox, great effort, but ehile it doesnt work i will be golin back to appleos :)
01:53:44	amiconn	It wil also be gone after the OF wakes up from suspend again
01:53:55	damaltor	löl
01:53:59	damaltor	weitd bug
01:54:01	damaltor	weird
01:54:15	damaltor	so well, if you got anything new..
01:54:18	damaltor	:)
01:54:19	amiconn	Nah, I know what causes it.
01:54:43	damaltor	what is it?
01:54:54	amiconn	Rockbox sets up the lcd controller differently. We'd need to store the original values, and put them back when going back to OF
01:55:08	damaltor	ah ok
01:55:32	amiconn	Problem is they're not simply fixed values; every hw version has their specific ones
01:55:35	damaltor	what controller is it? something standard-ish or apple-specific?
01:55:58	amiconn	Standard, or at least an equivalent
01:56:46	amiconn	Renesas HD66753
01:57:10	damaltor	ok
01:57:24	damaltor	so the lcd part is not the hardest :P
01:57:39	amiconn	The differences come from the different panels used per model/ hw revision
01:58:06	damaltor	do you know about other alternate os except rockbox and ipodlinux?
01:58:12	amiconn	no
01:59:04	damaltor	me neither.. i tried ipodlinux, but it wasnt capable to play the mp3 files without breaks
01:59:24	damaltor	and rockbox looked great, and everybody was happy... i wanted it :D
01:59:49	amiconn	Yeah... I never tried ipl on ipod 1st Gen (only on mini 2nd Gen), but I know why they have performance problems (especially on 1st..3rd Gen ipods)
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02:00:26	damaltor	bricked the ipod while trying to put both of them on the ipod at same time, then finally used my 3yr old backups to restore it
02:00:39	*	amiconn did quite some reverse engineering of the protalplayer chips - clock setup, lcd controller bridges...
02:00:51	amiconn	*portalplayer
02:01:03	saratoga	i guess the IPL people never accepted your improvements?
02:01:04	kkurbjun	amiconn: do we ever put the hard drive in sleep mode? Is that a standard mode too? I was looking at the mk3006gal spec sheet and it looks like it saves ~7ma
02:01:23	kkurbjun	but the drive needs a reset when waking up after sleeping
02:01:33	damaltor	7ma can be a lot if you have a batt-powered device
02:01:43	amiconn	kkurbjun: Of course we do. And on targets that have the required hardware, we even cut power to the drive 2 seconds later
02:02:22	amiconn	Sleep mode support in the ata driver is an ooooooold thing :)
02:02:30	kkurbjun	:), good to know
02:02:41	damaltor	is there any chance for me to solve the scrollwheel problem for now? doesnt look like..
02:03:49	amiconn	Well, if you can build your own rockbox, you could probably apply a hack that makes rockbox always treat it as a 1st Gen
02:04:09	amiconn	You shouldn't install such a build on a 2nd Gen ipod of course...
02:04:14	damaltor	what do i need? i have like 4 linux machines around me atm
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02:04:56	damaltor	:)
02:04:57	damaltor	well
02:05:02	damaltor	i think ill wait a bit
02:05:16	damaltor	what about an option in the installer program?
02:05:30	damaltor	if 1stgen, klick here
02:05:48	damaltor	or would a 2nd gen ipod be killed by the hack?
02:05:49	amiconn	That would be a bit nasty
02:05:58	damaltor	sure.. but there is no real alternative
02:06:02	amiconn	It wouldn't be killed, but things wouldn't work properly
02:06:09	damaltor	what wouldnt work?
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02:06:22	amiconn	There is an alternative: fix the code so the old 1st Gen can be detected properly
02:07:06	damaltor	what wouldnt work?
02:08:43	amiconn	Several things... headphone detect, battery level reading, probably others. Would need to check the code...
02:09:01	damaltor	looks bad
02:09:20	damaltor	headphone detect... why is the headphone detected after all?
02:09:43	damaltor	if there is no headphone, the user will not hear music. he will notice it by himself, no?
02:10:02	amiconn	imo it doesn't make much sense.
02:10:22	amiconn	The OF uses it to pause playback when the headphone is (accidentally) unplugged
02:10:37	amiconn	The 1st Gen has no headphone detect. All later ipods have.
02:11:22	damaltor	hm
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02:11:53	damaltor	well, ok. but i think this is not a really important thing. but the others are indeed.
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02:13:18	*	amiconn is slightly confused...
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02:13:35	amiconn	I should have a ROM dump of such an old 1st Gen somewhere, but can't find it
02:14:00	*	damaltor can give you a dump of the os partition
02:14:19	amiconn	I don't need that...
02:14:45	damaltor	and if you need one, i can make a dump of the rest
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02:17:37	amiconn	You could also make a ROM dump if I tell you how.
02:18:10	amiconn	You'd need to install a specially prepared bootloader, which would then dump the rom to a file on boot
02:18:24	amiconn	But I should have that dump around... hmpf
02:18:36	damaltor	why dont i just use dd to make the dump?
02:18:45	amiconn	It's th eROM, not the disk
02:18:49	damaltor	aah
02:18:50	damaltor	ok
02:19:07	damaltor	0o why dont you just make the dump new if you have the same ipod
02:19:27	amiconn	Because mine doesn't have the same rom contents as yours
02:19:56	amiconn	I have a dump of mine, but that won't help fixing the detection (and hence the wheel issue), because it works on mine.
02:20:16	damaltor	oh ok
02:21:05	dionoea	pixelma: ping
02:23:04	amiconn	I could prepare the necessary bootloader, but not now; need to get some sleep...
02:23:46	damaltor	where are you from
02:24:14	amiconn	Germany
02:24:41	damaltor	lol
02:24:45	damaltor	wo genau?
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05:58:40	Infausto	holle there
05:58:45	Infausto	anyone active?
05:58:51	advcomp2019	Infausto, yea
05:58:57	Infausto	hi
05:59:06	Infausto	y have a little question
05:59:44	advcomp2019	just ask away and remember the guidelines
05:59:48	Infausto	i have an ipod and i compile rockbox with de last version of arm-elf toolchain, obiusly this build dont work
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06:00:19	*	scorche looks for a question
06:01:02	Infausto	my question y why must be de 4.0.3 version of arm-elf toolchain?
06:01:13	scorche	well, we recommend using certain versions of gcc for a reason...
06:01:27	Infausto	y like to know that reason
06:01:36	scorche	the main one being because those are the ones that work...
06:02:20	scorche	the rockboxdev.sh script makes it very easy to install the needed compilers if you havent seen it
06:03:12	Infausto	ok, i know that, but a want to xperiment with my ipod
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06:04:57	Infausto	and i wish know why the 4.0.3 version of arm toolchain is used instead of the last 4.2.2
06:05:24	Infausto	or why the 4.2.2 dont work
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06:06:27	Infausto	is an constraint of rockbox? or the code made by 4.2.2 dont work in any arm cpu?
06:09:23	Infausto	anyone?
06:09:45	scorche	have a bit of patience...we arent always in front of the computer...
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06:10:02	scorche	of course 4.2.2 will work on arm chips..however the code is typically written for that compiler
06:10:41	Infausto	ahh ok, so is a problem of rockbox
06:10:50	scorche	different version numbers imply that changes happened...many changes can break the code so that one would need to re-write much of the code in order for it to compile under a newer compiler...newer compilers are not always better
06:10:51	Infausto	simpli dont fit with the 4.2.2
06:11:06	scorche	you could say that, but it isnt really a problem of rockbox
06:11:13	Infausto	ok
06:11:26	Infausto	thx for your answer
06:11:38	Infausto	another one
06:12:00	scorche	some compiler versions will outright fail such as your demonstration with 4.2.2...other versions may produce larger code...others may produce certain crashes
06:12:50	Infausto	what endianess is used by rockbox in arm?
06:12:58	Infausto	little?
06:15:22	scorche	yes
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06:15:55	Infausto	ok
06:19:43	Infausto	and the last one for today, i want to experiment with my ipod make a little progrmas (hello world for example) that just put some text in screen and the finishes. The bootloader of rockbox is design only for load the specific images of rockbox, linux or whatever or a can use that to load and execute my little app?
06:20:03	scorche	just make a plugin...
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06:27:08	Infausto	hehe, i dont wnat make a plugin, in matter of fact, i want to create an entire new os (or part of it). I am a programer, but develop embbedded apps is a new concept to me, My idea is develop a new task scheduler basen in AMP, but for that first a must learn how rockbox works.
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06:38:15	rvvs89	Would a 2GB Sansa M250 be of use to anyone?
06:38:26	rvvs89	For RE obviously, not just as a DAP
06:39:29	num1	Infausto: at that point you would be leaving rockbox territory and become off-topic.
06:40:50	scorche	rvvs89: eh...i was giving a few away at devcon..and another brought some too
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06:42:11	rvvs89	I figured that was probably the case, as they are so cheap
06:42:27	scorche	yup..
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07:03:13	n17ikh\|Lappy	I'm having some trouble with a utf8 (m3u8) playlist
07:03:17	n17ikh\|Lappy	it just... doesn't work
07:03:29	n17ikh\|Lappy	but as far as I can tell it's exactly the same as the latin-1 playlist I have
07:03:35	n17ikh\|Lappy	with the exception of the BOM
07:03:45	n17ikh\|Lappy	which shows up in the rockbox text editor
07:03:55	n17ikh\|Lappy	it just gives ERR on every file
07:05:55	n17ikh\|Lappy	but there is a patch which made it into cvs that was supposed to fix that... :/
07:08:20	n17ikh\|Lappy	does rockbox deal with utf8 playlists completely differently?
07:08:33	n17ikh\|Lappy	as in, absolute instead of relative filenames or something else like that?
07:11:59	n17ikh\|Lappy	aaaaaagh
07:12:06	n17ikh\|Lappy	damn it, international filenames
07:12:07	n17ikh\|Lappy	I hate this
07:12:26	n17ikh\|Lappy	there's a different codepage on the sd card's filesystem than rockbox uses and also different from what my pc is using
07:12:32	n17ikh\|Lappy	and the files ALWAYS get mangled
07:12:39	n17ikh\|Lappy	I'm about to rip all my hair out over this
07:13:00	n17ikh\|Lappy	anyone ever seen a utility to REMOVE non-ascii characters?
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07:14:30	n17ikh\|Lappy	and I hate that rockbox ignores the fact that I have the codepage set to latin-1
07:14:38	n17ikh\|Lappy	and reads the playlist as... something else entirely :(
07:14:51	n17ikh\|Lappy	who knows what, the font doesn't have the characters in it so I can't tell
07:17:55	n17ikh\|Lappy	great
07:18:17	n17ikh\|Lappy	if I add the spurious files to a playlist in rockbox and save it, and then open it with wordpad, I get a funky non-charactr
07:18:18	n17ikh\|Lappy	er*
07:18:28	n17ikh\|Lappy	but with notepad I get the right u with an accent
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07:18:45	n17ikh\|Lappy	has NO ONE here ever dealt with this before?
07:21:16	n17ikh\|Lappy	ugh. I can't deal with this anymroe
07:21:30	n17ikh\|Lappy	I threw my sansa across the room, I've been trying to fix this for hours
07:23:05	n17ikh\|Lappy	or maybe this channel is just dead.
07:23:17	n17ikh\|Lappy	either way, i'm really angry, and it still hasn't worked
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08:51:09	amiconn	n17ikh\|Lappy: An .m38u is always handled as utf-8, that's its purpose. An ordinary .m3u uses the codepage you've set
08:51:39	amiconn	ANd there can't be a different code page on the file system; VFAT always uses utf-16le
08:53:02	amiconn	Rockbox converts this from/to its internal representation, which is utf-8.
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08:57:49	*	amiconn got a mail from a rockboxer that r18515 fixed the MMC driver for Transcend 2GB cards as well :)
08:58:47	*	amiconn committed his MMC driver changes to the 3.0 branch now
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09:00:17	markun	amiconn: nice job
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09:06:39	amiconn	It's still not working when the card is already plugged at boot, and also not after USB, until replugging the card
09:07:00	amiconn	This is a different problem though, most probably some glitches due to pin init order
09:08:09	amiconn	I'll look into this too, but it may take a while. It may also be that it's not fixable due to the Ondio hardware
09:11:03	GodEater	amiconn: I dispute your codepage / filesystem assertion
09:11:16	GodEater	it's perfectly possible to specify a different codepage for a VFAT formatted media
09:11:49	GodEater	I had exactly the sort of grief n17ikh\|Lappy reports until I got the fstab entries for them all set correctly
09:11:56	n17ikh\|Lappy	Indeed.
09:11:59	n17ikh\|Lappy	I worked around it, fyi
09:12:08	n17ikh\|Lappy	turns out you can have foobar2000 convert filenames to ansi
09:12:20	n17ikh\|Lappy	but it still irritates me
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09:12:31	n17ikh\|Lappy	also, the build I was using was half-broken for some reason anyway :/
09:12:55	n17ikh\|Lappy	It wouldn't read the replaygain tags on one particular album, no matter what I did to them
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09:13:07	GodEater	n17ikh\|Lappy: surely the better solution is to be consistent with your codepages, rather than hack round the problem ?
09:13:09	n17ikh\|Lappy	update the build after much frustration, it works
09:13:19	n17ikh\|Lappy	I'm sure it would be
09:14:16	n17ikh\|Lappy	I still don't know why none of my m3u8 playlists would work
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09:14:49	amiconn	GodEater: The fstab is not for the codepage used on the actual file system. It is for the linux file system driver to convert from/to
09:15:11	amiconn	When it's set to a different codepage than your system it'll cause problems
09:15:31	n17ikh\|Lappy	anyhow, bed for me.
09:15:44	*	petur just got up ;)
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09:16:25	GodEater	amiconn: indeed, but since that's the bit which causes the problem - it's the bit which is relevant to this case
09:16:38	amiconn	And I never understood why linux doesn't get this right automatically. I've never seen that kind of problem on windows
09:17:09	GodEater	amiconn: if you let a modern distro, which does HAL/udev it does do it automatically
09:17:09	taylorh	the fstab has lots of fragility in many cases
09:17:15	GodEater	you don't fiddle with the fstab
09:17:28	taylorh	its the bane of a lot of new linux user's problems
09:17:35	taylorh	or rather the cause
09:17:48	GodEater	which is why "new" users shouldn't touch it at all
09:18:10	taylorh	its not even that - they have to because it stagnates so often
09:18:23	GodEater	eh?
09:18:29	GodEater	I've not had to touch my fstab in 18 months
09:18:36	taylorh	like UUIDs not updating or etc
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09:18:56	GodEater	why would a UUID need updating? They're not supposed to change.
09:19:21	taylorh	if you change something they do change - moving parts or changing their size
09:19:31	taylorh	or if your hardware changes
09:20:17	taylorh	perhaps that's not directly relevant to your fstab discussion, but that's a problem I've noticed
09:21:14	GodEater	I don't find that "moving parts" or changing hardware happen very often at all
09:21:42	taylorh	no not often, but if say you need to do something related to a multiple boot
09:22:02	GodEater	such as ?
09:22:29	taylorh	removing one piece of a triple boot and then changing the swap space size
09:23:27	GodEater	why on earth would you change the swap space size ?
09:23:40	GodEater	and what has that got to do with multiple booting anyway ?
09:23:45	*	GodEater is thoroughly befuzzeld
09:23:51	taylorh	if say it defaulted to way more than you needed or way less
09:24:10	taylorh	and space freeing up by cannibalizing a part of a multiple boot
09:24:50	taylorh	people with small hard drives can need to micromanage their swap in times of new installs or if they are running out of space
09:25:57	taylorh	basically every time you mess with the partitions the UUIDs can cause trouble
09:26:11	taylorh	because they don't update somewhere or everywhere
09:26:19	taylorh	at least that's been my experience
09:26:33	GodEater	I must be an atypical user - I've never touched anything on the harddrive in terms of partitions since I did the install
09:26:39	GodEater	there's never been any need
09:26:49	GodEater	if you keep fiddling with that stuff you're just asking for trouble imo
09:26:55	taylorh	true
09:27:53	taylorh	but I've helped many a new user who shat bricks after they, say, nuked their vista partition on a new laptop and increased their home and swap partitions to fill the old space
09:28:04	taylorh	and its always been fstab trouble
09:28:14	markun	taylorh, GodEater: if this is not rockbox related can you talk about it in private or in #rockbox-community?
09:28:31	taylorh	sorry, 'twas a tangent
09:28:40	taylorh	and I think we're probably done anyway
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10:14:04	pixelma	huh?
10:14:04	petur	scorche?
10:14:08	#>>	"you should be ashamed of yourself with that attitude!" by scorche (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche)
10:14:38	pixelma	I thought logbot was op on purpose... and it was not logbot...
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10:14:56	petur	hides too
10:15:18	*	pixelma points at the logs :P
10:15:30	#>>	"logs...." by petur (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur)
10:15:57	pixelma	and manipulates the logs?
10:16:06	petur	eh?
10:16:49	pixelma	ok, thought it was a joke
10:17:21	scorche	this "joking" thing isnt going very well through text today..
10:18:00	pixelma	indeed
10:19:59	petur	at least the kicking is going well :)
10:20:25	scorche	though a bit premature
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10:20:50	petur	what good was going to come out of it?
10:21:23	scorche	i am a firm believer in warnings...just one for him though
10:21:57	petur	he got his warning, so what's the issue? :p
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11:42:49	pixelma	hmm... I get a "can't connect to download.rockbox.org" when trying to read most of the online manuals (I get some of them so). Does this happen to others too, maybe one of the mirrors down?
11:43:07	pixelma	s/so/though
11:43:27	petur	works here so far
11:44:37	scorche	the mirror i got is up at least...and running PHP4 still =/
11:44:46	petur	wow, looking at http://download.rockbox.org/manual/ shows a lot of manual versions...
11:45:13	pixelma	I can't look at that page.. :\
11:45:24	scorche	petur: 2 weeks worth of each...
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11:55:03	pixelma	so probably routing problems then? I don't want to build all those manuals myself just for quick checks... :(
11:55:37	gevaerts	pixelma: which manuals do you need?
11:56:08	gevaerts	Are recent 3.0 builds good enough?
11:56:16	pixelma	different ones... maybe I could try accessing one of the mirrors directly?
11:56:48	petur	you could
11:57:01	pixelma	gevaerts: would do, yes. Do you have them around?
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11:57:35	gevaerts	http://files.hostname.be/3.0RC/ They seem to be from friday evening
11:58:02	pixelma	thanks :)
11:58:34	petur	http://rockbox.positive-internet.com/ ?
11:58:38	petur	(a bit late)
11:59:31	pixelma	petur: that one works for me, thanks for the URL
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14:26:16	vitja	hehe good news I've found gpled tcc78x usb device driver
14:27:31	vitja	there is framebuffer driver as well ;)
14:28:03	linuxstb	vitja: Where?
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14:28:45	vitja	file is called LINUX_83X_BSP_080430_R0020B0002.tgz
14:29:10	vitja	there is patch for linux and some files are licensed under gpl
14:29:43	vitja	I can provide download tmp link
14:31:16	vitja	vitja/tcc/patch-linux-2.6.24.2-080430-R0020B0002.bz2">ftp://stop.qc.to/vitja/tcc/patch-linux-2.6.24.2-080430-R0020B0002.bz2
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14:32:40	vitja	patch is about 282K
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14:56:23	J-23	Is there any way to help with porting Rockbox to v2 Sansas besides programming?
14:56:37	JdGordon	not really...
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14:56:57	funman	reverse engineering the OF
14:57:02	GodEater	J-23: what did you have in mind ?
14:57:10	funman	praying :)
14:58:06	J-23	e.g. creating wiki page with links to hardware specifications and descriptions
14:59:36	funman	J-23: some update of the wiki would be nice
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15:02:29	funman	J-23: don't you like programming ?
15:03:13	J-23	I like, but I'm not good with low-level programming and I don't know C.
15:03:50	petur	then learn...
15:04:55	J-23	and I don't know what version did I buy, will be shipped to me in next week.
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15:24:53	J-23	hmm, can Rockbox's doom plugin run Doom total conversion, e.g. Chex Quest?
15:25:40	LambdaCalculus37	J-23: You'll have to try it for yourself.
15:26:06	J-23	as what should I upload CQ WAD?
15:26:12	J-23	as base WAD or as addon WAD?
15:26:25	J-23	I tried running it as addon WAD and it didn't work.
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15:44:53	J-23	hmm, I installed .talk files to my player and I have 360 of them. How can I remove these files?
15:45:38	LinusN	how do you normally delete files from your player?
15:45:47	J-23	with rm or graphical utils
15:48:08	J-23	ok, I removed all of them manually.
15:49:18	*	n1s posts a new (hopefully fixed) gigabeat f bootloader to FS #9369 and hopes for a tester
15:49:30	*	LambdaCalculus37 will volunteer
15:49:44	n1s	great :)
15:50:10	J-23	hmm, why "Install Rockbox utility on device" is not available?
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16:49:13	Jorsik	hi
16:49:37	Jorsik	is it possible to assign button functions before flashing rockbox?
16:50:29	BigBambi_	a) Do you mean change the Rockbox button definitions and b) Very few targets flash rockbox. Which one are you talking about?
16:51:22	Jorsik	i mean a
16:51:37	BigBambi_	There were two questions there, a and b
16:52:18	Jorsik	sorry i don't quite understand b
16:52:26	BigBambi_	What player?
16:52:35	Jorsik	well
16:52:40	Jorsik	d2
16:52:48	Jorsik	i know its not ready
16:53:10	BigBambi_	Edit /apps/keymaps/keymap-cowond2.c in the source then build rockbox as usual
16:53:22	petur	Jorsik: if you create your own build, you can change the keymap
16:53:49	Jorsik	um
16:54:04	Jorsik	i dont know how to do that:\
16:54:22	petur	then learn or live with it ;)
16:54:28	Jorsik	thanks
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16:54:39	Jorsik	BigBambi theres no apps folder
16:54:39	BigBambi_	look at www.rockbox.org/wiki/SimpleGuideToCompiling to learn about how to compile
16:54:47	BigBambi_	Jorsik: There is in the source code
16:54:51	Jorsik	oh
16:55:03	Jorsik	ok thx
16:55:15	BigBambi_	You need to set up a build environment, download the source code, edit it, then compile the edited source into a build
16:55:59	Jorsik	i see
16:56:11	Jorsik	cygwin being build environment?
16:56:17	BigBambi_	It is an option
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16:56:34	BigBambi_	Though if you are on Windows personally I would recommend the VMWare image
16:56:46	Jorsik	why
16:57:05	BigBambi_	Because it is a lot quicker, and I think it is easier
16:58:49	Jorsik	by source code you mean rockbox source code or d2 source code?
16:59:06	saratoga	same thing
16:59:10	BigBambi_	Rockbox of course
16:59:24	BigBambi_	Do you have the source code to the original D2 firmware?
16:59:44	BigBambi_	We certainly don't
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17:07:23	rasher	preglow: how about that norwegian translation?
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17:09:23	preglow	rasher: what about it?
17:09:37	rasher	preglow: It's incomplete!
17:09:46	preglow	with what, one entry?
17:09:53	preglow	not even visible, if i recall
17:09:55	rasher	9!
17:10:07	rasher	A bunch of recording related strings
17:10:19	preglow	right, i'll try to have a look later
17:10:25	rasher	rasher.dk/rockbox/translate/?cmd=edit&lang=norsk">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/translate/?cmd=edit&lang=norsk
17:10:31	preglow	translation isn't my favourite activity :/
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17:10:54	rasher	I think most of them should actually already be in the old file iirc
17:11:18	rasher	I think he just moved the strings around or something.
17:11:56	preglow	i was planning to actually try it out as well, to see if something looks silly
17:12:15	funman	J-23: you ordered a sansav2 ?
17:12:33	rasher	preglow: brave man
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17:25:40	star_jasmine	hi... a cygwin question here. I can't download from download.rockbox.org/cygwin. can someone help?
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17:28:38	star_jasmine	it just claims not to find the setup.ini file
17:31:21	Jorsik	i think it says there
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17:32:06	Jorsik	that you have to use X flag when installing
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17:35:55	star_jasmine	it worked before... that's the trouble
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17:36:26	Jorsik	when was that
17:37:21	star_jasmine	a month ago or less
17:43:08	linuxstb	star_jasmine: What's the exact error message?
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17:47:10	star_jasmine	unable to get http://download.rockbox.org/cygwin/setup.ini.sig from htp://download.rockbox.org/cygwin/
17:48:36	J-23	funman: I don't know, it will be delivered to me in next week.
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17:48:49	funman	J-23: is that a surprise package, or ?
17:49:57	J-23	Sansas v1 and v2 don't differ by design and in shops they're not descripted as v1/v2
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17:50:26	petur	linuxstb, star_jasmine: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/9263
17:50:54	linuxstb	star_jasmine: Then you need to follow the instructions here - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment#Step_3_Select_the_Rockbox_mirror
17:51:06	star_jasmine	ok thanks
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17:59:35	funman	ah ok
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18:15:39	star_jasmine	how do I select the -X (−−no-verify) command when downloading rockbox via cygwin
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18:21:47	n1s	iirc you start the setup program with the -X switch (either by modifying a shortcut or using the command line
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18:28:29	star_jasmine	how do I modify the shortcut within windows?
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18:31:25	domonoky	star_jasmine: right-click on it, and choose propertys. but thats offtopic...
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18:51:51	J-23	Why RBUtilQt doesn't allow user to remove addons?
18:52:50	domonoky	J-23: what do you mean ? it allows to remove all extra package you can install with it..
18:53:05	J-23	how?
18:53:51	domonoky	select the uninstall rockbox button, and it will present you wit a list of seperatly removable packages..
18:54:40	J-23	thanks, I didn't think about that option.
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18:58:51	pixelma	Does someone know what DOOMBUTTON_ENTER is used for? The reason for asking is this - while filling out button tables I noticed that some targets use the same button for this "enter" and "fire" - however the Ipods do not ("enter" on select and "play" for fire) and it looks like this would be the only reason to not use "play" (or down) for moving backwards
18:59:23	pixelma	There are a few possibilities: if this enter needs to be usable simultaniously to fire then a few other targets are "broken" (e.g. the Sansas, Iaudios) - if not, the Ipods could probably get s "move backwards" too - or I'm overlooking something...
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19:02:20	preglow	rasher: i don't get it, some of the fields are greyed out, not allowing me to translate. i expect there is something here i just don't understand
19:02:53	J-23	Can somebody tell me how should I put Chex Quest WAD on my player? (where and how should I name it)
19:03:00	rasher	preglow: those are not supposed to be translated because the english version doesn't translate them
19:03:13	preglow	yeah, i noticed now
19:03:41	rasher	Er, the english version doesn't contain them
19:04:16	rasher	preglow: before you commit to 3.0, make sure that VOICE_FIFE wasn't changed to VOICE_FIVE
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19:04:57	preglow	VOICE_FIFE????
19:05:21	rasher	There was a misspelling that got fixed after the branch
19:05:31	preglow	nice one
19:05:36	preglow	but yeah, i'll check it out
19:06:19	rasher	It's in the string id, so purely cosmetical, but breaks awfully if it's not the same as english.lang
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19:15:18	J-23	hmm, is RockDoom Doom95 compatible?
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19:16:45	crwl	RockDoom is a PrBoom port, right? That should make it about the most compatible port there is
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19:21:07	amiconn	pixelma: Iirc Enter and Fire are mutually exclusive (you only need 'enter' when opening a door, switching a switch etc, and then you don't want to shoot the door ;) )
19:21:38	amiconn	But there is a reason why using Play for moving backwards on ipods would be bad: if you hold it for too long, you'll shut down the ipod...
19:22:28	pixelma	would probably the best doom on Ipod feature ever... :P
19:22:37	pixelma	+be
19:22:51	LambdaCalculus37	Hehehe... :)
19:23:00	amiconn	"Only cowards move backward that much" style...
19:23:49	pixelma	why is DOOMBUTTON_SHOOT on "play" then?...
19:23:55	pixelma	for Ipods
19:24:09	bertrik	amiconn, nice job on simplifying the MMC card driver
19:24:51	*	amiconn needs archos.ucl made from the Ondio FM OF
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19:44:20	pixelma	so, is it possible that someone accidentally shuts an Ipod off when using continious fire, or is it not? <- shows how much I know about doom...
19:44:54	gevaerts	pixelma: don't worry. Most avid doom players don't know that ;)
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19:46:24	markun	gevaerts: copied qt1106.c and made some changes: http://130.89.160.166/temp/lcd-init.c
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19:51:31	gevaerts	markun: I'm looking at the \|\|s in qt1106.c, and I'm a bit doubtful about the shifts
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19:52:41	gevaerts	Forget that, I was wrong...
19:53:05	gevaerts	However, I think some macros to set GPIOs to input or output would be useful
19:53:14	markun	gevaerts: yes, I think so too
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19:54:34	gevaerts	markun: I'll try to make some. Shall I put then in s5l8700.h?
19:54:40	amiconn	Making this card work on boot is a hard one. Maybe it's not possible on the Ondio hw
19:54:49	markun	gevaerts: sure
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19:54:56	*	preglow wants "on" and "off" instead of "yes" and "no" for the feature enable settings
19:54:58	amiconn	The OF also doesn't like this card when it's plugged at boot
19:55:35	preglow	now it seems we have a mix of both
19:55:43	amiconn	preglow: If it's called "blabla enable" then it should be yes/no. But if it's only called "blabla", then it's on/off
19:55:49	amiconn	That's like it is now
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19:56:11	preglow	amiconn: in that case i don't think there should be an "enable" in the settings text
19:56:19	markun	gevaerts: can you also look how an SPI read from R00h of the LCD drivers is supposed to work?
19:56:41	amiconn	preglow: In general, yes. But there are special cases where this would be confusing
19:56:48	preglow	amiconn: an example?
19:57:36	amiconn	Sound settings->Equalizer->Enable EQ
19:57:43	preglow	yeah, i agree there
19:57:54	amiconn	If you rename this, you'll end up with Sound settings->Equalizer->Equalizer
19:58:04	amiconn	There are several other examples of this type
19:58:08	preglow	but sound settings->crossfeed yes/no, for example, seems weird
19:58:15	gevaerts	markun: can you give me some hints on where to look?
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19:58:46	amiconn	preglow: Yup. And btw, crossfeed is an example for the confusion already in place
19:58:53	amiconn	Crossfeed->Crossfeed
19:58:55	preglow	yeah, i see
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19:59:40	preglow	can't remember if that is my fault or not
19:59:46	markun	gevaerts: starting at page 39 I think
19:59:51	preglow	i never did pay more than half a mind when doing gui work...
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20:00:06	amiconn	Crossfade is another mixup example: The option is "Enable crossfade", but the first choice is "off"
20:00:10	amiconn	Should be "no"
20:00:16	markun	gevaerts: eh, 38
20:00:43	preglow	oh well, this is post 3.0 stuff anyway
20:00:56	*	gevaerts reads
20:01:03	amiconn	There are still several more or less nasty gui bugs :\
20:01:28	preglow	amiconn: yeah, we really should do an overhaul
20:01:34	amiconn	Non-working peakmeters in hwcodec radio screen, scrolling lines punching through non-converted screens, wrong font in use...
20:01:42	preglow	a definite 3.1 blocker if you ask me
20:02:14	preglow	i also see that lists of volume ranges are sometimes inverted, sometimes not...
20:02:24	preglow	volume list is inverted on nano, but eq preamp not
20:04:11	preglow	another one, party mode yes/no
20:04:55	rasher	Then there are the strings that are inexplicably spelled out in the setting (invert lcd is one)
20:05:25	rasher	Which should be "Invert lcd -> yes/no" but is "LCD mode -> normal/inverted"
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20:06:40	amiconn	rasher: Invert LCD: Yes/No sounds like a good idea...
20:06:41	markun	gevaerts: maybe page 90 is relevant
20:06:56	preglow	hmm
20:07:05	preglow	i take it there are no more lcd modes we could support?
20:07:11	preglow	if not, then i say it's a good idea
20:07:15	amiconn	It'd save 2 specialised strings, and it would be more obvious what the setting does without entering it
20:07:25	LambdaCalculus37	Agreed.
20:08:01	gevaerts	markun: page 78 could be interesting as well later on
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20:08:15	amiconn	preglow: All numeric lists (volume and other dB values, limits etc) should be inverted on scrollwheel targets
20:08:52	amiconn	...so that scrolling forward increases the value, as one would expect
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20:11:30	preglow	amiconn: i agree, as long as it's consistent
20:11:56	n1s	couldn't we have just for example Crossfeed->Enable yes/no it's clear from the context that it's crossfeed you're enabling
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20:13:55	rasher	amiconn: Yeah, the latter part is more important (making it clear what the option does)
20:18:21	amiconn	n1s: It's only clear if you know where you are
20:18:33	gevaerts	markun: one way to read it is that you send a start byte with RS and RW both 0, followed by a 16 bit register address (0 in out case). After that a new start byte, with RS and RW both one, and the following two bytes IN contain the data we want
20:18:42	markun	gevaerts: What do you think is the best way to support multiple LCD driver IC's? Have a struct with function pointers to the various LCD functions?
20:19:33	amiconn	markun: Is there a single target which can have 2 different ones?
20:19:40	markun	amiconn: yes
20:19:47	gevaerts	markun: that's at least the simplest way to do it. If someone thinks of a better way later, we can change it
20:19:51	amiconn	Is it only 2, or more different ICs?
20:20:16	markun	amiconn: I'm not sure how ofter they have changed the pannels
20:20:32	amiconn	The panel shouldn't matter, only the driver IC
20:20:47	amiconn	Ipod Color/Photo also has 2 possible LCD drivers, and there the driver functions handle the difference
20:21:01	amiconn	if (newlcd) { .. } else { ... }
20:21:10	markun	we could do it like that yes
20:21:22	amiconn	The H300 comes with 2 different panels but only one driver IC
20:22:02	n1s	amiconn: can't we expect users to know that? (the ones that don't should enable the list title thing anyway...)
20:22:29	markun	amiconn: looks like the M6SL has code for 3 different ICs: http://www.meizume.com/rockbox/5871-lcd-initialization-commands-official-firmware.html
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20:24:07	amiconn	And you're sure all these ICs are actually used in shipped devices?
20:24:08	markun	amiconn: it could be that they've changed more things like the DAC and the FM chip as well
20:24:27	markun	amiconn: yes, some newer models don't work with older firmwares because of this
20:24:35	amiconn	urgh
20:24:41	markun	you can flash the firmware, but the screen will not work
20:24:46	amiconn	Can those models be distinguished by the user?
20:25:13	markun	maybe if we find out the serial number range, but I don't think there will be another way to do it
20:25:24	rasher	n1s: a list title of "Enable" won't help much anyway
20:26:56	n1s	rasher: if you manage to forget that you are in the Crossfed menu between selecting "Enable" and having to choose yes/no IMHO there isn't much we can do anyway, such a user would be lost forever in our menu system...
20:27:03	markun	amiconn: gevaerts and I will most likely have the same revision of the M6SL, so for now we could ignore the problem
20:27:09	amiconn	markun: I don't think a table would be helpful (unless there are cases where a function can be used for 2 of 3 panels). You need to provide the driver api anyway, and that's one function for each task
20:27:27	rasher	n1s: still, from a interface viewpoint, having a screen labelled "Enable: yes/no" is awful
20:27:41	amiconn	Hence you would need a dispatcher anyway, and then you can build the dispatcher into the function directly
20:27:59	gevaerts	markun: do you think it's likely that there will be differences outside initialisation?
20:28:00	amiconn	Just use a switch() and number your different driver ICs
20:28:23	n1s	rasher: maybe we can make some nicer looking yes/no splash/dialogue thing, a full screen displaying only yes/no isn't that nice anyway
20:28:26	markun	gevaerts: things like screen flip
20:28:43	markun	amiconn: yes, I think that's probably the way to do it
20:29:52	n1s	or even have some kind of checkmark or something for enable type settings, no need for an extra screen and easier to overview
20:30:34	amiconn	n1s: A chekmark might work, although it'd probably still look odd on small screens with large fonts
20:31:13	amiconn	In general I don't like inline settings. They're nice if you have enough screen space and the font size is predictable
20:31:50	amiconn	But if you cannot predict the font size / screen size ratio, they're bad. And you cannot predict that ratio in rockbox...
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20:32:30	n1s	we could make two icons, checked box and unchecked box and leave it to the theme to have a suitable font
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20:36:00	markun	amiconn: meizu changed the UDA1380 for a wolfson chip in the M3..
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20:38:38	rasher	Maybe all fonts should include checkmarks
20:38:43	rasher	(there are glyphs for this)
20:39:00	*	amiconn disagrees
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20:39:29	rasher	It'd solve the font size problem
20:39:36	amiconn	(a) it would require to adapt nearly every font before it's suitable for rockbox, and (b) some people might want coloured checkmarks
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20:39:56	amiconn	And it wouldn't solve the font size problem I was referring to
20:40:40	amiconn	I didn't mean the checkmark size vs. font size (which could btw be solved by using simple vector gfx checkmarks), but the crowdedness of the screen
20:41:24	rasher	Adding checkmarks to all fonts shouldn't be that hard a task
20:41:55	amiconn	You could end up with [Option: x] or [Opt X] (extreme examples, the [] represent screen borders
20:41:58	rasher	But I agree that it only solves one problem
20:42:36	*	gevaerts is confused
20:42:44	amiconn	And the latter example becomes even more ugly if you imagine the lines above and below that [Opt X] as well
20:43:03	rasher	And probably would make most fonts huge (using the current font format)
20:45:27	gevaerts	markun: does the svn meizu code work for you?
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21:09:42	gevaerts	markun: I think we need to keep the 24 bit transfers, as the CS line needs to stay low for the duration
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21:18:30	LambdaCalculus37	Okay....
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21:24:11	markun	gevaerts: ok, even better
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21:24:54	markun	gevaerts: so these are also 24 bit transfers? 8 bit for the command and then 16 for the data?
21:25:23	gevaerts	That's what I think, yes
21:25:46	*	amiconn found another bug in the MMC driver...
21:31:06	markun	amiconn: is this MMC driver only for the ondio or will it fix things for targets with an SD readers as well?
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21:31:15	amiconn	Ondio only
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22:07:42	SF17	where do I get the descramble and scramble programs in these instructions? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverBoot#Descramble_the_original_firmware
22:08:32	SF17	my friend asked me to do that for him since he doesn't have Linux
22:10:58	domonoky	SF17: better use rbutil for this, it does all this for you , and it works on lin/win/mac :-)
22:12:05	BigBambi	SF17: As domonoky says, use rbutil - those instructions only exist as the old manual method (fwpatcher.exe) was for windows - you do not need linux in any way
22:12:10	domonoky	SF17: or do you want to install a non-official bootloader ? (rbutil doesnt do this, and its not recomended)
22:12:22	BigBambi	SF17: I'd advise following the install instructions in the manual
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22:16:46	SF17	all my friend said was that he wants his iRiver to play .flac files
22:17:33	BigBambi	So follow the install instructions on the manual
22:17:40	BigBambi	s/in/on/
22:17:43	SF17	alright, thanks
22:18:02	BigBambi	And you are aware that Rockbox is a complete replacement firmware, it doesn't just alter the iriver one?
22:18:22	BigBambi	You/he will want to have a look at the manual to learn how it works
22:18:23	SF17	yeah, I figured that out from a bit of research
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22:18:31	SF17	okay
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22:30:20	gevaerts	markun: it seems as if I get the SPI link to work, but the data make no sense. I get 0xa802 back instead of 0x0129 or 0x0139
22:30:56	markun	gevaerts: and you get this value every time?
22:31:17	gevaerts	yes, and if I read more bytes, those two bytes keep repeating
22:31:28	markun	what about other registers?
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22:33:29	markun	gevaerts: I only see reading defined for R22 and SR
22:33:44	markun	R22h
22:33:45	gevaerts	yes, that's the problem
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22:34:40	markun	of course, we might not have a S6D0129/39
22:35:22	markun	154 could also be possible
22:35:36	markun	and another unknown one
22:36:11	markun	but then we would be sending a different Chip ID so I don't know if it should be replying anything to us
22:37:22	gevaerts	reading from R22h gives exactly the same
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22:38:11	markun	gevaerts: and I see in the 154 datasheet that we need to send the same "device id code" as the 129/39
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22:39:23	markun	gevaerts: could be that we have this 'unknown' one http://www.meizume.com/rockbox/5871-lcd-initialization-commands-official-firmware.html#post59001
22:39:44	markun	the init code looks very different from the other ones
22:40:47	gevaerts	markun: open it?
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22:41:50	markun	gevaerts: I remember from the Gigabeat that the driver IC was on the glass of the LCD module
22:42:22	markun	some read some markings with a microscope I believe, but it didn't help us identify it
22:42:32	markun	toffe82: was it you?
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22:43:06	toffe82	markun: it was jhMikeS who tries to look at it
22:44:23	markun	gevaerts: hm, what next? set up the LCD registers for the soc correctly and try out the init sequences one by one?
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22:48:05	gevaerts	I don't know
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23:04:33	gevaerts	markun: My current code is at http://pastebin.ca/raw/1203711 (as a diff)
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23:05:29	markun	gevaerts: and no more luck?
23:05:33	gevaerts	no
23:07:19	markun	gevaerts: it would at least be interesting to see what kind of results wpyh gets
23:07:32	gevaerts	indeed.
23:07:47	gevaerts	What do you get?
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23:11:02	markun	gevaerts: the patch doesn't apply for some reason
23:11:49	gevaerts	Is your tree clean?
23:11:58	markun	yes, I think so
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23:12:20	markun	just did a git-pull and got the latest commits
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23:13:37	gevaerts	gevaerts/meizu_m6sl.c">http://www.evonet.be/~gevaerts/meizu_m6sl.c and http://www.evonet.be/~gevaerts/lcd-m6sl.c
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23:15:13	markun	gevaerts: git diff now shows exactly what was in the pastebin, how weird
23:17:08	gevaerts	It flashes half-bytes, LSB to MSB, with one flash meaning 0 (so the 0xa802 is flashed as 3-1-9-11)
23:17:35	gevaerts	Unless I did something stupid
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23:19:00	markun	gevaerts: nothing happens
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23:19:15	gevaerts	That's not much...
23:19:25	gevaerts	Not even the backlight?
23:19:33	Infausto	hello
23:19:46	Infausto	i have a little question
23:19:51	BigBambi	Just ask
23:19:59	Infausto	how i can build the ipodpatcher?
23:20:15	BigBambi	Do you need a newer one that the one released?
23:20:19	*	gevaerts has to go for half an hour or so
23:20:23	BigBambi	s/that/than/
23:20:42	markun	gevaerts: not even that
23:20:54	Infausto	i build the firmware last nigth, but a dont kno how to build de ipodpatcher
23:21:12	BigBambi	Is there a reason you aren't using the released pre compiled ones?
23:21:28	markun	gevaerts: I see it waits for PLAY, but nothing
23:21:37	markun	(I see it in the code I mean)
23:21:56	Infausto	because i want to experiment with the code
23:22:35	linuxstb	Infausto: There's a README file in the ipodpatcher source directory (rbutil/ipodpatcher in the Rockbox source tree)
23:22:39	markun	gevaerts: my player still works. When I plug in the USB cable without the key combo I get into my 'failed' flash experiment :)
23:23:04	Infausto	shit, really??, a dont see that file
23:23:16	linuxstb	Infausto: In fact, there isn't.... But you just type "make"...
23:23:33	linuxstb	Infausto: If you want to embed all the bootloaders in ipodpatcher, read the comments at the top of the Makefile
23:23:41	Infausto	y tipe that an nothing happens
23:24:00	linuxstb	No messages at all?
23:24:17	Infausto	"cannot find configure" file
23:24:25	Infausto	or something like thtat
23:24:39	Infausto	wath configura file i must execute previusly?
23:25:18	linuxstb	None. What's the _exact_ error message when you type "make" in the rbutil/ipodpatcher/ directory?
23:25:30	Infausto	just wait
23:25:46	Infausto	cc1: config.h: No such file or directory
23:25:56	Infausto	Makefile:109: /make.inc: No such file or directory
23:26:04	Infausto	make: *** No rule to make target `/make.inc'. Stop.
23:27:14	markun	Infausto: are you in the right folder?
23:27:53	Infausto	bootloader folder?
23:28:04	linuxstb	Infausto: Read my last message to you.
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23:29:04	Infausto	a shit, my mistake, i in the ipodpatcher
23:31:16	gevaerts	markun: you could try to put the delays back in lcd_spi_io()
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23:32:32	markun	gevaerts: I'll first try the unmodified code, see if my meizu runs the code at all
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23:33:16	*	shotofadds has an odd playback problem. I've defined ACTION_WPS_PLAY on the D2 (it's managed without one so far..) but trying to use it for play/pause behaviour does not seem to work correctly. Audio is muted and the pause icon appears, but playback does not actually stop... any ideas?
23:35:13	markun	gevaerts: the touchpad code works, but the touchpad is hardly reacting. I hope I didn't break my player.
23:35:49	gevaerts	markun: that sometimes happens. Were your fingers near the touchpad during calibration?
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23:36:23	markun	gevaerts: could be, let me try again
23:36:57	markun	works perfect again :)
23:37:39	gevaerts	good :)
23:38:02	markun	your test code still doesn't do anything here
23:39:29	gevaerts	I could send you my rockboot.ebn
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23:40:08	gevaerts	gevaerts/rockboot.ebn">http://www.evonet.be/~gevaerts/rockboot.ebn
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23:54:20	preglow	LANG_FAILED is used erronously in places
23:54:28		Quit inigomontoya ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)")
23:54:40	preglow	it's supposed to be appended to an action, but the db, for example, does'nt prepend anything
23:55:18	preglow	it doesn't matter for english which (wrongly) has it in caps, but for other languages you get a lower-case "failed" equivalent
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23:57:51	preglow	also, can someone tell me the point of the "screen scrolls out of view" setting?
23:58:55	amiconn	It's used for horizontal screen scrolling in lists

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