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#rockbox log for 2008-09-15

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01:12:47tapiocapuddingHey there rockbox...people
01:12:56tapiocapuddingI have a question
01:13:06tapiocapuddingForgive me if I sound stupid
01:13:18tapiocapuddingbut is there a way to change the rockbox boot logo for the iPod nano?
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01:18:32tapiocapuddingi suppose i'll take that as a "nobody is willing to answer your question right now." mnkay.
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01:31:02saratogaanyone want to comment on FS #9373 - Fix test_codec on multiprocessor codecs ?
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01:31:37damaltorhello everybody
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01:33:07damaltorhavin a problem with my ipod 1st generation, the one with the "real" scrolling wheel. i can see the rockbox main menu, but i cannot move the selection with the wheel. although i can open the selected menu point, "files", by pressing select or forward
01:33:20damaltorwhat now ?
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01:44:52amiconndamaltor: That's a known problem with some 1st Gen ipods. There is no fix yet, but it should be fixable
01:45:06amiconnAnother thing /me should look into fixing :\
01:45:12damaltorthats bad..
01:45:31damaltorjust reading through the forums, with no really success
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01:46:02damaltorlooks like the wheel is switched of by apples firmware cause it takes up too much energy
01:46:07amiconnThe problem with these (probably very early) 1st Gens is that they don't have a certain value that makes rockbox detect them as 1st Gens
01:46:18damaltorso rockbox doesnt know this
01:46:34amiconnSo they are treated as 2nd Gen, which has no switchable wheel power
01:46:44amiconn..and hence rockbox doesn't enable the wheel
01:47:05damaltorah and i now noticed another thing: if i try to switch it off, by holding play, it reboots. over and over again. even when it switches of after a while, it reboots.
01:47:17damaltorwhy this?
01:47:28amiconnThe wheel does indeed suck a lot of power, so rockbox only enables it for a very brief period every tick, until it detects actual movement
01:47:42amiconnBecause 1st and 2ndf Gens cannot be turned off
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01:47:58amiconnThey can only be put into suspend, but rockbox cannot do this yet
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01:48:06damaltorwtf.. apple firmware can, but rockbx not? ipodlinux cant turn it of, either...
01:48:20amiconnapple does suspend, not turn off
01:48:36damaltorok, so why doesnt rockbox suspend then?
01:48:46amiconn...but rockbox cannot do this yet
01:48:55damaltorah ok
01:49:18amiconnI know how to do the actual suspend, but implementing it in rockbox needs reworking a lot of code to properly wake up again
01:49:26damaltoroh oh
01:49:44damaltorso, if you want me testing, just drop me a mail
01:49:45amiconn(currently it would wake up, but not react properly anymore)
01:50:04amiconnI have a 1st Gen myself (although the slightly newer type that rockbox can detect)
01:50:21damaltori have that 10gb version
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01:50:41damaltorwich has the same model no like the 5gb one
01:50:57amiconnAnyway, when the wheel problem will be fixed you can already use rockbox, it's just a bit cumbersome to get it into suspend
01:51:21damaltoryeah.. rebooting into apple os to suspend isnt the nicest way
01:51:22amiconnIt's an internal issue. Did you ever update the original firmware on it?
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01:52:17*amiconn guesses not
01:52:20damaltorand rockbox f.cks up the contrast. apple os isnt really readable anymore, i have to put contrast on maximum to barely read anything
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01:52:49amiconnYeah, I know about this too... should be fixable as well
01:53:03damaltorwill it be gone if rockbox is removed by the installer?
01:53:17amiconnIt's just that I don't care much about this specific problem, as I never use the OF for anything else than suspending
01:53:34damaltornothing against rockbox, great effort, but ehile it doesnt work i will be golin back to appleos :)
01:53:44amiconnIt wil also be gone after the OF wakes up from suspend again
01:53:59damaltorweitd bug
01:54:15damaltorso well, if you got anything new..
01:54:19amiconnNah, I know *what* causes it.
01:54:43damaltorwhat is it?
01:54:54amiconnRockbox sets up the lcd controller differently. We'd need to store the original values, and put them back when going back to OF
01:55:08damaltorah ok
01:55:32amiconnProblem is they're not simply fixed values; every hw version has their specific ones
01:55:35damaltorwhat controller is it? something standard-ish or apple-specific?
01:55:58amiconnStandard, or at least an equivalent
01:56:46amiconnRenesas HD66753
01:57:24damaltorso the lcd part is not the hardest :P
01:57:39amiconnThe differences come from the different panels used per model/ hw revision
01:58:06damaltordo you know about other alternate os except rockbox and ipodlinux?
01:59:04damaltorme neither.. i tried ipodlinux, but it wasnt capable to play the mp3 files without breaks
01:59:24damaltorand rockbox looked great, and everybody was happy... i wanted it :D
01:59:49amiconnYeah... I never tried ipl on ipod 1st Gen (only on mini 2nd Gen), but I know why they have performance problems (especially on 1st..3rd Gen ipods)
02:00:26damaltorbricked the ipod while trying to put both of them on the ipod at same time, then finally used my 3yr old backups to restore it
02:00:39*amiconn did quite some reverse engineering of the protalplayer chips - clock setup, lcd controller bridges...
02:01:03saratogai guess the IPL people never accepted your improvements?
02:01:04kkurbjunamiconn: do we ever put the hard drive in sleep mode? Is that a standard mode too? I was looking at the mk3006gal spec sheet and it looks like it saves ~7ma
02:01:23kkurbjunbut the drive needs a reset when waking up after sleeping
02:01:33damaltor7ma can be a lot if you have a batt-powered device
02:01:43amiconnkkurbjun: Of course we do. And on targets that have the required hardware, we even cut power to the drive 2 seconds later
02:02:22amiconnSleep mode support in the ata driver is an ooooooold thing :)
02:02:30kkurbjun:), good to know
02:02:41damaltoris there any chance for me to solve the scrollwheel problem for now? doesnt look like..
02:03:49amiconnWell, if you can build your own rockbox, you could probably apply a hack that makes rockbox always treat it as a 1st Gen
02:04:09amiconnYou shouldn't install such a build on a 2nd Gen ipod of course...
02:04:14damaltorwhat do i need? i have like 4 linux machines around me atm
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02:05:02damaltori think ill wait a bit
02:05:16damaltorwhat about an option in the installer program?
02:05:30damaltorif 1stgen, klick here
02:05:48damaltoror would a 2nd gen ipod be killed by the hack?
02:05:49amiconnThat would be a bit nasty
02:05:58damaltorsure.. but there is no real alternative
02:06:02amiconnIt wouldn't be killed, but things wouldn't work properly
02:06:09damaltorwhat wouldnt work?
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02:06:22amiconnThere is an alternative: fix the code so the old 1st Gen can be detected properly
02:07:06damaltorwhat wouldnt work?
02:08:43amiconnSeveral things... headphone detect, battery level reading, probably others. Would need to check the code...
02:09:01damaltorlooks bad
02:09:20damaltorheadphone detect... why is the headphone detected after all?
02:09:43damaltorif there is no headphone, the user will not hear music. he will notice it by himself, no?
02:10:02amiconn*imo* it doesn't make much sense.
02:10:22amiconnThe OF uses it to pause playback when the headphone is (accidentally) unplugged
02:10:37amiconnThe 1st Gen has no headphone detect. All later ipods have.
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02:11:53damaltorwell, ok. but i think this is not a really important thing. but the others are indeed.
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02:13:18*amiconn is slightly confused...
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02:13:35amiconnI *should* have a ROM dump of such an old 1st Gen somewhere, but can't find it
02:14:00*damaltor can give you a dump of the os partition
02:14:19amiconnI don't need that...
02:14:45damaltorand if you need one, i can make a dump of the rest
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02:17:37amiconnYou could also make a ROM dump if I tell you how.
02:18:10amiconnYou'd need to install a specially prepared bootloader, which would then dump the rom to a file on boot
02:18:24amiconnBut I should have that dump around... hmpf
02:18:36damaltorwhy dont i just use dd to make the dump?
02:18:45amiconnIt's th eROM, not the disk
02:19:07damaltor0o why dont you just make the dump new if you have the same ipod
02:19:27amiconnBecause mine doesn't have the same rom contents as yours
02:19:56amiconnI have a dump of mine, but that won't help fixing the detection (and hence the wheel issue), because it works on mine.
02:20:16damaltoroh ok
02:21:05dionoeapixelma: ping
02:23:04amiconnI could prepare the necessary bootloader, but not now; need to get some sleep...
02:23:46damaltorwhere are you from
02:24:45damaltorwo genau?
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05:58:40Infaustoholle there
05:58:45Infaustoanyone active?
05:58:51advcomp2019Infausto, yea
05:59:06Infaustoy have a little question
05:59:44advcomp2019just ask away and remember the guidelines
05:59:48Infaustoi have an ipod and i compile rockbox with de last version of arm-elf toolchain, obiusly this build dont work
06:00:19*scorche looks for a question
06:01:02Infaustomy question y why must be de 4.0.3 version of arm-elf toolchain?
06:01:13scorchewell, we recommend using certain versions of gcc for a reason...
06:01:27Infaustoy like to know that reason
06:01:36scorchethe main one being because those are the ones that work...
06:02:20scorchethe script makes it very easy to install the needed compilers if you havent seen it
06:03:12Infaustook, i know that, but a want to xperiment with my ipod
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06:04:57Infaustoand i wish know why the 4.0.3 version of arm toolchain is used instead of the last 4.2.2
06:05:24Infaustoor why the 4.2.2 dont work
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06:06:27Infaustois an constraint of rockbox? or the code made by 4.2.2 dont work in any arm cpu?
06:09:45scorchehave a bit of patience...we arent always in front of the computer...
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06:10:02scorcheof course 4.2.2 will work on arm chips..however the code is typically written for that compiler
06:10:41Infaustoahh ok, so is a problem of rockbox
06:10:50scorchedifferent version numbers imply that changes happened...many changes can break the code so that one would need to re-write much of the code in order for it to compile under a newer compiler...newer compilers are not always better
06:10:51Infaustosimpli dont fit with the 4.2.2
06:11:06scorcheyou could say that, but it isnt really a problem of rockbox
06:11:26Infaustothx for your answer
06:11:38Infaustoanother one
06:12:00scorchesome compiler versions will outright fail such as your demonstration with 4.2.2...other versions may produce larger code...others may produce certain crashes
06:12:50Infaustowhat endianess is used by rockbox in arm?
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06:19:43Infaustoand the last one for today, i want to experiment with my ipod make a little progrmas (hello world for example) that just put some text in screen and the finishes. The bootloader of rockbox is design only for load the specific images of rockbox, linux or whatever or a can use that to load and execute my little app?
06:20:03scorchejust make a plugin...
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06:27:08Infaustohehe, i dont wnat make a plugin, in matter of fact, i want to create an entire new os (or part of it). I am a programer, but develop embbedded apps is a new concept to me, My idea is develop a new task scheduler basen in AMP, but for that first a must learn how rockbox works.
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06:38:15rvvs89Would a 2GB Sansa M250 be of use to anyone?
06:38:26rvvs89For RE obviously, not just as a DAP
06:39:29num1Infausto: at that point you would be leaving rockbox territory and become off-topic.
06:40:50scorchervvs89: eh...i was giving a few away at devcon..and another brought some too
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06:42:11rvvs89I figured that was probably the case, as they are so cheap
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07:03:13n17ikh|LappyI'm having some trouble with a utf8 (m3u8) playlist
07:03:17n17ikh|Lappyit just... doesn't work
07:03:29n17ikh|Lappybut as far as I can tell it's exactly the same as the latin-1 playlist I have
07:03:35n17ikh|Lappywith the exception of the BOM
07:03:45n17ikh|Lappywhich shows up in the rockbox text editor
07:03:55n17ikh|Lappyit just gives ERR on every file
07:05:55n17ikh|Lappybut there is a patch which made it into cvs that was supposed to fix that... :/
07:08:20n17ikh|Lappydoes rockbox deal with utf8 playlists completely differently?
07:08:33n17ikh|Lappyas in, absolute instead of relative filenames or something else like that?
07:12:06n17ikh|Lappydamn it, international filenames
07:12:07n17ikh|LappyI hate this
07:12:26n17ikh|Lappythere's a different codepage on the sd card's filesystem than rockbox uses and also different from what my pc is using
07:12:32n17ikh|Lappyand the files ALWAYS get mangled
07:12:39n17ikh|LappyI'm about to rip all my hair out over this
07:13:00n17ikh|Lappyanyone ever seen a utility to REMOVE non-ascii characters?
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07:14:30n17ikh|Lappyand I hate that rockbox ignores the fact that I have the codepage set to latin-1
07:14:38n17ikh|Lappyand reads the playlist as... something else entirely :(
07:14:51n17ikh|Lappywho knows what, the font doesn't have the characters in it so I can't tell
07:18:17n17ikh|Lappyif I add the spurious files to a playlist in rockbox and save it, and then open it with wordpad, I get a funky non-charactr
07:18:28n17ikh|Lappybut with notepad I get the right u with an accent
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07:18:45n17ikh|Lappyhas NO ONE here ever dealt with this before?
07:21:16n17ikh|Lappyugh. I can't deal with this anymroe
07:21:30n17ikh|LappyI threw my sansa across the room, I've been trying to fix this for hours
07:23:05n17ikh|Lappyor maybe this channel is just dead.
07:23:17n17ikh|Lappyeither way, i'm really angry, and it still hasn't worked
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08:51:09amiconnn17ikh|Lappy: An .m38u is always handled as utf-8, that's its purpose. An ordinary .m3u uses the codepage you've set
08:51:39amiconnANd there can't be a different code page on the file system; VFAT always uses utf-16le
08:53:02amiconnRockbox converts this from/to its internal representation, which is utf-8.
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08:57:49*amiconn got a mail from a rockboxer that r18515 fixed the MMC driver for Transcend 2GB cards as well :)
08:58:47*amiconn committed his MMC driver changes to the 3.0 branch now
09:00:17markunamiconn: nice job
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09:06:39amiconnIt's still not working when the card is already plugged at boot, and also not after USB, until replugging the card
09:07:00amiconnThis is a different problem though, most probably some glitches due to pin init order
09:08:09amiconnI'll look into this too, but it may take a while. It may also be that it's not fixable due to the Ondio hardware
09:11:03GodEateramiconn: I dispute your codepage / filesystem assertion
09:11:16GodEaterit's perfectly possible to specify a different codepage for a VFAT formatted media
09:11:49GodEaterI had exactly the sort of grief n17ikh|Lappy reports until I got the fstab entries for them all set correctly
09:11:59n17ikh|LappyI worked around it, fyi
09:12:08n17ikh|Lappyturns out you can have foobar2000 convert filenames to ansi
09:12:20n17ikh|Lappybut it still irritates me
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09:12:31n17ikh|Lappyalso, the build I was using was half-broken for some reason anyway :/
09:12:55n17ikh|LappyIt wouldn't read the replaygain tags on one particular album, no matter what I did to them
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09:13:07GodEatern17ikh|Lappy: surely the better solution is to be consistent with your codepages, rather than hack round the problem ?
09:13:09n17ikh|Lappyupdate the build after much frustration, it works
09:13:19n17ikh|LappyI'm sure it would be
09:14:16n17ikh|LappyI still don't know why none of my m3u8 playlists would work
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09:14:30n17ikh|Lappyat all, funky characters notwithstanding
09:14:49amiconnGodEater: The fstab is not for the codepage used on the actual file system. It is for the linux file system driver to convert from/to
09:15:11amiconnWhen it's set to a different codepage than your system it'll cause problems
09:15:31n17ikh|Lappyanyhow, bed for me.
09:15:44*petur just got up ;)
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09:16:25GodEateramiconn: indeed, but since that's the bit which causes the problem - it's the bit which is relevant to this case
09:16:38amiconnAnd I never understood why linux doesn't get this right automatically. I've never seen that kind of problem on windows
09:17:09GodEateramiconn: if you let a modern distro, which does HAL/udev it *does* do it automatically
09:17:09taylorhthe fstab has lots of fragility in many cases
09:17:15GodEateryou don't fiddle with the fstab
09:17:28taylorhits the bane of a lot of new linux user's problems
09:17:35taylorhor rather the cause
09:17:48GodEaterwhich is why "new" users shouldn't touch it at all
09:18:10taylorhits not even that - they have to because it stagnates so often
09:18:29GodEaterI've not had to touch my fstab in 18 months
09:18:36taylorhlike UUIDs not updating or etc
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09:18:56GodEaterwhy would a UUID need updating? They're not supposed to change.
09:19:21taylorhif you change something they do change - moving parts or changing their size
09:19:31taylorhor if your hardware changes
09:20:17taylorhperhaps that's not directly relevant to your fstab discussion, but that's a problem I've noticed
09:21:14GodEaterI don't find that "moving parts" or changing hardware happen very often at all
09:21:42taylorhno not often, but if say you need to do something related to a multiple boot
09:22:02GodEatersuch as ?
09:22:29taylorhremoving one piece of a triple boot and then changing the swap space size
09:23:27GodEaterwhy on earth would you change the swap space size ?
09:23:40GodEaterand what has that got to do with multiple booting anyway ?
09:23:45*GodEater is thoroughly befuzzeld
09:23:51taylorhif say it defaulted to way more than you needed or way less
09:24:10taylorhand space freeing up by cannibalizing a part of a multiple boot
09:24:50taylorhpeople with small hard drives can need to micromanage their swap in times of new installs or if they are running out of space
09:25:57taylorh basically every time you mess with the partitions the UUIDs can cause trouble
09:26:11taylorhbecause they don't update somewhere or everywhere
09:26:19taylorhat least that's been my experience
09:26:33GodEaterI must be an atypical user - I've never touched anything on the harddrive in terms of partitions since I did the install
09:26:39GodEaterthere's never been any need
09:26:49GodEaterif you keep fiddling with that stuff you're just asking for trouble imo
09:27:53taylorhbut I've helped many a new user who shat bricks after they, say, nuked their vista partition on a new laptop and increased their home and swap partitions to fill the old space
09:28:04taylorhand its always been fstab trouble
09:28:14markuntaylorh, GodEater: if this is not rockbox related can you talk about it in private or in #rockbox-community?
09:28:31taylorhsorry, 'twas a tangent
09:28:40taylorhand I think we're probably done anyway
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09:57:58buttnuttlooking for some
09:58:28scorchebuttnutt: act civil please...
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10:14:08#>>"you should be ashamed of yourself with that attitude!" by scorche (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche)
10:14:38pixelmaI thought logbot was op on purpose... and it was not logbot...
10:14:45Mode"#rockbox +o logbot " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
10:14:48*petur hids
10:14:56peturhides too
10:15:18*pixelma points at the logs :P
10:15:30#>>"logs...." by petur (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur)
10:15:57pixelmaand manipulates the logs?
10:16:49pixelmaok, thought it was a joke
10:17:21scorchethis "joking" thing isnt going very well through text today..
10:19:59peturat least the kicking is going well :)
10:20:25scorchethough a bit premature
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10:20:50peturwhat good was going to come out of it?
10:21:23scorchei am a firm believer in warnings...just one for him though
10:21:57peturhe got his warning, so what's the issue? :p
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11:42:49pixelmahmm... I get a "can't connect to" when trying to read most of the online manuals (I get some of them so). Does this happen to others too, maybe one of the mirrors down?
11:43:27peturworks here so far
11:44:37scorchethe mirror i got is up at least...and running PHP4 still =/
11:44:46peturwow, looking at shows a lot of manual versions...
11:45:13pixelmaI can't look at that page.. :\
11:45:24scorchepetur: 2 weeks worth of each...
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11:55:03pixelmaso probably routing problems then? I don't want to build all those manuals myself just for quick checks... :(
11:55:37gevaertspixelma: which manuals do you need?
11:56:08gevaertsAre recent 3.0 builds good enough?
11:56:16pixelmadifferent ones... maybe I could try accessing one of the mirrors directly?
11:56:48peturyou could
11:57:01pixelmagevaerts: would do, yes. Do you have them around?
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11:57:35gevaerts They seem to be from friday evening
11:58:02pixelmathanks :)
11:58:34petur ?
11:58:38petur(a bit late)
11:59:31pixelmapetur: that one works for me, thanks for the URL
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14:26:16vitjahehe good news I've found gpled tcc78x usb device driver
14:27:31vitjathere is framebuffer driver as well ;)
14:28:03linuxstbvitja: Where?
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14:28:45vitjafile is called LINUX_83X_BSP_080430_R0020B0002.tgz
14:29:10vitjathere is patch for linux and some files are licensed under gpl
14:29:43vitjaI can provide download tmp link
14:31:19*linuxstb googles for that filename and finds a download link...
14:32:40vitjapatch is about 282K
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14:56:23J-23Is there any way to help with porting Rockbox to v2 Sansas besides programming?
14:56:37JdGordonnot really...
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14:56:57funmanreverse engineering the OF
14:57:02GodEaterJ-23: what did you have in mind ?
14:57:10funmanpraying :)
14:58:06J-23e.g. creating wiki page with links to hardware specifications and descriptions
14:59:36funmanJ-23: some update of the wiki would be nice
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15:02:29funmanJ-23: don't you like programming ?
15:03:13J-23I like, but I'm not good with low-level programming and I don't know C.
15:03:50peturthen learn...
15:04:55J-23and I don't know what version did I buy, will be shipped to me in next week.
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15:24:53J-23hmm, can Rockbox's doom plugin run Doom total conversion, e.g. Chex Quest?
15:25:40LambdaCalculus37J-23: You'll have to try it for yourself.
15:26:06J-23as what should I upload CQ WAD?
15:26:12J-23as base WAD or as addon WAD?
15:26:25J-23I tried running it as addon WAD and it didn't work.
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15:29:29funmanJ-23: it's a nice occasion to learn :)
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15:44:53J-23hmm, I installed .talk files to my player and I have 360 of them. How can I remove these files?
15:45:38LinusNhow do you normally delete files from your player?
15:45:47J-23with rm or graphical utils
15:48:08J-23ok, I removed all of them manually.
15:49:18*n1s posts a new (hopefully fixed) gigabeat f bootloader to FS #9369 and hopes for a tester
15:49:30*LambdaCalculus37 will volunteer
15:49:44n1sgreat :)
15:50:10J-23hmm, why "Install Rockbox utility on device" is not available?
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16:12:16J-23hmm, I copied CQ's doom.wad as doomf.wad to /.rockbox/doom/ and now Doom plugin runs, but when trying to execute WAD returns some graphics debug messages and ends.
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16:49:37Jorsikis it possible to assign button functions before flashing rockbox?
16:50:29BigBambi_a) Do you mean change the Rockbox button definitions and b) Very few targets flash rockbox. Which one are you talking about?
16:51:22Jorsiki mean a
16:51:37BigBambi_There were two questions there, a and b
16:52:18Jorsiksorry i don't quite understand b
16:52:26BigBambi_What player?
16:52:48Jorsiki know its not ready
16:53:10BigBambi_Edit /apps/keymaps/keymap-cowond2.c in the source then build rockbox as usual
16:53:22peturJorsik: if you create your own build, you can change the keymap
16:54:04Jorsiki dont know how to do that:\
16:54:22peturthen learn or live with it ;)
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16:54:39JorsikBigBambi theres no apps folder
16:54:39BigBambi_look at to learn about how to compile
16:54:47BigBambi_Jorsik: There is in the source code
16:55:03Jorsikok thx
16:55:15BigBambi_You need to set up a build environment, download the source code, edit it, then compile the edited source into a build
16:55:59Jorsiki see
16:56:11Jorsikcygwin being build environment?
16:56:17BigBambi_It is an option
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16:56:34BigBambi_Though if you are on Windows personally I would recommend the VMWare image
16:57:05BigBambi_Because it is a lot quicker, and I think it is easier
16:58:49Jorsikby source code you mean rockbox source code or d2 source code?
16:59:06saratogasame thing
16:59:10BigBambi_Rockbox of course
16:59:24BigBambi_Do you have the source code to the original D2 firmware?
16:59:44BigBambi_We certainly don't
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17:07:23rasherpreglow: how about that norwegian translation?
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17:09:23preglowrasher: what about it?
17:09:37rasherpreglow: It's incomplete!
17:09:46preglowwith what, one entry?
17:09:53preglownot even visible, if i recall
17:10:07rasherA bunch of recording related strings
17:10:19preglowright, i'll try to have a look later">
17:10:31preglowtranslation isn't my favourite activity :/
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17:10:54rasherI think most of them should actually already be in the old file iirc
17:11:18rasherI think he just moved the strings around or something.
17:11:56preglowi was planning to actually try it out as well, to see if something looks silly
17:12:15funmanJ-23: you ordered a sansav2 ?
17:12:33rasherpreglow: brave man
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17:25:40star_jasminehi... a cygwin question here. I can't download from can someone help?
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17:28:38star_jasmineit just claims not to find the setup.ini file
17:31:21Jorsiki think it says there
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17:32:06Jorsikthat you have to use X flag when installing
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17:35:55star_jasmineit worked before... that's the trouble
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17:36:26Jorsikwhen was that
17:37:21star_jasminea month ago or less
17:43:08linuxstbstar_jasmine: What's the exact error message?
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17:47:10star_jasmineunable to get from htp://
17:48:36J-23funman: I don't know, it will be delivered to me in next week.
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17:48:49funmanJ-23: is that a surprise package, or ?
17:49:57J-23Sansas v1 and v2 don't differ by design and in shops they're not descripted as v1/v2
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17:50:26peturlinuxstb, star_jasmine:
17:50:54linuxstbstar_jasmine: Then you need to follow the instructions here -
17:51:06star_jasmineok thanks
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17:59:35funmanah ok
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18:15:39star_jasminehow do I select the -X (−−no-verify) command when downloading rockbox via cygwin
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18:21:47n1siirc you start the setup program with the -X switch (either by modifying a shortcut or using the command line
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18:28:29star_jasminehow do I modify the shortcut within windows?
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18:31:25domonokystar_jasmine: right-click on it, and choose propertys. but thats offtopic...
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18:51:51J-23Why RBUtilQt doesn't allow user to remove addons?
18:52:50domonokyJ-23: what do you mean ? it allows to remove all extra package you can install with it..
18:53:51domonokyselect the uninstall rockbox button, and it will present you wit a list of seperatly removable packages..
18:54:40J-23thanks, I didn't think about that option.
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18:58:51pixelmaDoes someone know what DOOMBUTTON_ENTER is used for? The reason for asking is this - while filling out button tables I noticed that some targets use the same button for this "enter" and "fire" - however the Ipods do not ("enter" on select and "play" for fire) and it looks like this would be the only reason to not use "play" (or down) for moving backwards
18:59:23pixelmaThere are a few possibilities: if this enter needs to be usable simultaniously to fire then a few other targets are "broken" (e.g. the Sansas, Iaudios) - if not, the Ipods could probably get s "move backwards" too - or I'm overlooking something...
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19:02:20preglowrasher: i don't get it, some of the fields are greyed out, not allowing me to translate. i expect there is something here i just don't understand
19:02:53J-23Can somebody tell me how should I put Chex Quest WAD on my player? (where and how should I name it)
19:03:00rasherpreglow: those are not supposed to be translated because the english version doesn't translate them
19:03:13preglowyeah, i noticed now
19:03:41rasherEr, the english version doesn't *contain* them
19:04:16rasherpreglow: before you commit to 3.0, make sure that VOICE_FIFE wasn't changed to VOICE_FIVE
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19:05:21rasherThere was a misspelling that got fixed after the branch
19:05:31preglownice one
19:05:36preglowbut yeah, i'll check it out
19:06:19rasherIt's in the string id, so purely cosmetical, but breaks awfully if it's not the same as english.lang
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19:15:18J-23hmm, is RockDoom Doom95 compatible?
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19:16:45crwlRockDoom is a PrBoom port, right? That should make it about the most compatible port there is
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19:21:07amiconnpixelma: Iirc Enter and Fire are mutually exclusive (you only need 'enter' when opening a door, switching a switch etc, and then you don't want to shoot the door ;) )
19:21:38amiconnBut there is a reason why using Play for moving backwards on ipods would be bad: if you hold it for too long, you'll shut down the ipod...
19:22:28pixelmawould probably the best doom on Ipod feature ever... :P
19:22:51LambdaCalculus37Hehehe... :)
19:23:00amiconn"Only cowards move backward that much" style...
19:23:49pixelmawhy is DOOMBUTTON_SHOOT on "play" then?...
19:23:55pixelmafor Ipods
19:24:09bertrikamiconn, nice job on simplifying the MMC card driver
19:24:51*amiconn needs archos.ucl made from the Ondio FM OF
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19:44:20pixelmaso, is it possible that someone accidentally shuts an Ipod off when using continious fire, or is it not? <- shows how much I know about doom...
19:44:54gevaertspixelma: don't worry. Most avid doom players don't know that ;)
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19:46:24markungevaerts: copied qt1106.c and made some changes:
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19:51:31gevaertsmarkun: I'm looking at the ||s in qt1106.c, and I'm a bit doubtful about the shifts
19:52:17*gevaerts looks again
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19:52:41gevaertsForget that, I was wrong...
19:53:05gevaertsHowever, I think some macros to set GPIOs to input or output would be useful
19:53:14markungevaerts: yes, I think so too
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19:54:34gevaertsmarkun: I'll try to make some. Shall I put then in s5l8700.h?
19:54:40amiconnMaking this card work on boot is a hard one. Maybe it's not possible on the Ondio hw
19:54:49markungevaerts: sure
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19:54:56*preglow wants "on" and "off" instead of "yes" and "no" for the feature enable settings
19:54:58amiconnThe OF also doesn't like this card when it's plugged at boot
19:55:35preglownow it seems we have a mix of both
19:55:43amiconnpreglow: If it's called "blabla enable" then it should be yes/no. But if it's only called "blabla", then it's on/off
19:55:49amiconnThat's like it is now
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19:56:11preglowamiconn: in that case i don't think there should be an "enable" in the settings text
19:56:19markungevaerts: can you also look how an SPI read from R00h of the LCD drivers is supposed to work?
19:56:41amiconnpreglow: In general, yes. But there are special cases where this would be confusing
19:56:48preglowamiconn: an example?
19:57:36amiconnSound settings->Equalizer->Enable EQ
19:57:43preglowyeah, i agree there
19:57:54amiconnIf you rename this, you'll end up with Sound settings->Equalizer->Equalizer
19:58:04amiconnThere are several other examples of this type
19:58:08preglowbut sound settings->crossfeed yes/no, for example, seems weird
19:58:15gevaertsmarkun: can you give me some hints on where to look?
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19:58:46amiconnpreglow: Yup. And btw, crossfeed is an example for the confusion already in place
19:58:55preglowyeah, i see
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19:59:40preglowcan't remember if that is my fault or not
19:59:46markungevaerts: starting at page 39 I think
19:59:51preglowi never did pay more than half a mind when doing gui work...
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20:00:06amiconnCrossfade is another mixup example: The option is "Enable crossfade", but the first choice is "off"
20:00:10amiconnShould be "no"
20:00:16markungevaerts: eh, 38
20:00:43preglowoh well, this is post 3.0 stuff anyway
20:00:56*gevaerts reads
20:01:03amiconnThere are still several more or less nasty gui bugs :\
20:01:28preglowamiconn: yeah, we really should do an overhaul
20:01:34amiconnNon-working peakmeters in hwcodec radio screen, scrolling lines punching through non-converted screens, wrong font in use...
20:01:42preglowa definite 3.1 blocker if you ask me
20:02:14preglowi also see that lists of volume ranges are sometimes inverted, sometimes not...
20:02:24preglowvolume list is inverted on nano, but eq preamp not
20:04:11preglowanother one, party mode yes/no
20:04:55rasherThen there are the strings that are inexplicably spelled out in the setting (invert lcd is one)
20:05:25rasherWhich should be "Invert lcd -> yes/no" but is "LCD mode -> normal/inverted"
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20:06:40amiconnrasher: Invert LCD: Yes/No sounds like a good idea...
20:06:41markungevaerts: maybe page 90 is relevant
20:07:05preglowi take it there are no more lcd modes we could support?
20:07:11preglowif not, then i say it's a good idea
20:07:15amiconnIt'd save 2 specialised strings, and it would be more obvious what the setting does without entering it
20:08:01gevaertsmarkun: page 78 could be interesting as well later on
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20:08:15amiconnpreglow: All numeric lists (volume and other dB values, limits etc) should be inverted on scrollwheel targets that scrolling forward increases the value, as one would expect
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20:11:30preglowamiconn: i agree, as long as it's consistent
20:11:56n1scouldn't we have just for example Crossfeed->Enable yes/no it's clear from the context that it's crossfeed you're enabling
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20:13:55rasheramiconn: Yeah, the latter part is more important (making it clear what the option does)
20:18:21amiconnn1s: It's only clear if you know where you are
20:18:33gevaertsmarkun: one way to read it is that you send a start byte with RS and RW both 0, followed by a 16 bit register address (0 in out case). After that a new start byte, with RS and RW both one, and the following two bytes IN contain the data we want
20:18:42markungevaerts: What do you think is the best way to support multiple LCD driver IC's? Have a struct with function pointers to the various LCD functions?
20:19:33amiconnmarkun: Is there a single target which can have 2 different ones?
20:19:40markunamiconn: yes
20:19:47gevaertsmarkun: that's at least the simplest way to do it. If someone thinks of a better way later, we can change it
20:19:51amiconnIs it only 2, or more different ICs?
20:20:16markunamiconn: I'm not sure how ofter they have changed the pannels
20:20:32amiconnThe panel shouldn't matter, only the driver IC
20:20:47amiconnIpod Color/Photo also has 2 possible LCD drivers, and there the driver functions handle the difference
20:21:01amiconnif (newlcd) { .. } else { ... }
20:21:10markunwe could do it like that yes
20:21:22amiconnThe H300 comes with 2 different panels but only one driver IC
20:22:02n1samiconn: can't we expect users to know that? (the ones that don't should enable the list title thing anyway...)
20:22:29markunamiconn: looks like the M6SL has code for 3 different ICs:
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20:24:07amiconnAnd you're sure all these ICs are actually used in shipped devices?
20:24:08markunamiconn: it could be that they've changed more things like the DAC and the FM chip as well
20:24:27markunamiconn: yes, some newer models don't work with older firmwares because of this
20:24:41markunyou can flash the firmware, but the screen will not work
20:24:46amiconnCan those models be distinguished by the user?
20:25:13markunmaybe if we find out the serial number range, but I don't think there will be another way to do it
20:25:24rashern1s: a list title of "Enable" won't help much anyway
20:26:56n1srasher: if you manage to forget that you are in the Crossfed menu between selecting "Enable" and having to choose yes/no IMHO there isn't much we can do anyway, such a user would be lost forever in our menu system...
20:27:03markunamiconn: gevaerts and I will most likely have the same revision of the M6SL, so for now we could ignore the problem
20:27:09amiconnmarkun: I don't think a table would be helpful (unless there are cases where a function can be used for 2 of 3 panels). You need to provide the driver api anyway, and that's one function for each task
20:27:27rashern1s: still, from a interface viewpoint, having a screen labelled "Enable: yes/no" is awful
20:27:41amiconnHence you would need a dispatcher anyway, and then you can build the dispatcher into the function directly
20:27:59gevaertsmarkun: do you think it's likely that there will be differences outside initialisation?
20:28:00amiconnJust use a switch() and number your different driver ICs
20:28:23n1srasher: maybe we can make some nicer looking yes/no splash/dialogue thing, a full screen displaying only yes/no isn't that nice anyway
20:28:26markungevaerts: things like screen flip
20:28:43markunamiconn: yes, I think that's probably the way to do it
20:29:52n1sor even have some kind of checkmark or something for enable type settings, no need for an extra screen and easier to overview
20:30:34amiconnn1s: A chekmark might work, although it'd probably still look odd on small screens with large fonts
20:31:13amiconnIn general I don't like inline settings. They're nice if you have enough screen space *and* the font size is predictable
20:31:50amiconnBut if you cannot predict the font size / screen size ratio, they're bad. And you cannot predict that ratio in rockbox...
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20:32:30n1swe could make two icons, checked box and unchecked box and leave it to the theme to have a suitable font
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20:36:00markunamiconn: meizu changed the UDA1380 for a wolfson chip in the M3..
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20:38:38rasherMaybe all fonts should include checkmarks
20:38:43rasher(there are glyphs for this)
20:39:00*amiconn disagrees
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20:39:29rasherIt'd solve the font size problem
20:39:36amiconn(a) it would require to adapt nearly every font before it's suitable for rockbox, and (b) some people might want coloured checkmarks
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20:39:56amiconnAnd it wouldn't solve the font size problem I was referring to
20:40:40amiconnI didn't mean the checkmark size vs. font size (which could btw be solved by using simple vector gfx checkmarks), but the crowdedness of the screen
20:41:24rasherAdding checkmarks to all fonts shouldn't be that hard a task
20:41:55amiconnYou could end up with [Option: x] or [Opt X] (extreme examples, the [] represent screen borders
20:41:58rasherBut I agree that it only solves one problem
20:42:36*gevaerts is confused
20:42:44amiconnAnd the latter example becomes even more ugly if you imagine the lines above and below that [Opt X] as well
20:43:03rasherAnd probably would make most fonts huge (using the current font format)
20:45:27gevaertsmarkun: does the svn meizu code work for you?
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21:09:42gevaertsmarkun: I think we need to keep the 24 bit transfers, as the CS line needs to stay low for the duration
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21:24:11markungevaerts: ok, even better
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21:24:54markungevaerts: so these are also 24 bit transfers? 8 bit for the command and then 16 for the data?
21:25:23gevaertsThat's what I think, yes
21:25:46*amiconn found another bug in the MMC driver...
21:31:06markunamiconn: is this MMC driver only for the ondio or will it fix things for targets with an SD readers as well?
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21:31:15amiconnOndio only
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22:07:42SF17where do I get the descramble and scramble programs in these instructions?
22:08:32SF17my friend asked me to do that for him since he doesn't have Linux
22:10:58domonokySF17: better use rbutil for this, it does all this for you , and it works on lin/win/mac :-)
22:12:05BigBambiSF17: As domonoky says, use rbutil - those instructions only exist as the old manual method (fwpatcher.exe) was for windows - you do not *need* linux in any way
22:12:10domonokySF17: or do you want to install a non-official bootloader ? (rbutil doesnt do this, and its not recomended)
22:12:22BigBambiSF17: I'd advise following the install instructions in the manual
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22:16:46SF17all my friend said was that he wants his iRiver to play .flac files
22:17:33BigBambiSo follow the install instructions on the manual
22:17:43SF17alright, thanks
22:18:02BigBambiAnd you are aware that Rockbox is a complete replacement firmware, it doesn't just alter the iriver one?
22:18:22BigBambiYou/he will want to have a look at the manual to learn how it works
22:18:23SF17yeah, I figured that out from a bit of research
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22:30:20gevaertsmarkun: it seems as if I get the SPI link to work, but the data make no sense. I get 0xa802 back instead of 0x0129 or 0x0139
22:30:56markungevaerts: and you get this value every time?
22:31:17gevaertsyes, and if I read more bytes, those two bytes keep repeating
22:31:28markunwhat about other registers?
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22:32:09*gevaerts tries
22:33:29markungevaerts: I only see reading defined for R22 and SR
22:33:45gevaertsyes, that's the problem
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22:34:40markunof course, we might not have a S6D0129/39
22:35:22markun154 could also be possible
22:35:36markunand another unknown one
22:36:11markunbut then we would be sending a different Chip ID so I don't know if it should be replying anything to us
22:37:22gevaertsreading from R22h gives exactly the same
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22:38:11markungevaerts: and I see in the 154 datasheet that we need to send the same "device id code" as the 129/39
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22:39:23markungevaerts: could be that we have this 'unknown' one
22:39:44markunthe init code looks very different from the other ones
22:40:47gevaertsmarkun: open it?
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22:41:50markungevaerts: I remember from the Gigabeat that the driver IC was on the glass of the LCD module
22:42:22markunsome read some markings with a microscope I believe, but it didn't help us identify it
22:42:32markuntoffe82: was it you?
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22:43:06toffe82markun: it was jhMikeS who tries to look at it
22:44:23markungevaerts: hm, what next? set up the LCD registers for the soc correctly and try out the init sequences one by one?
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22:48:05gevaertsI don't know
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23:04:33gevaertsmarkun: My current code is at (as a diff)
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23:05:29markungevaerts: and no more luck?
23:07:19markungevaerts: it would at least be interesting to see what kind of results wpyh gets
23:07:47gevaertsWhat do you get?
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23:11:02markungevaerts: the patch doesn't apply for some reason
23:11:49gevaertsIs your tree clean?
23:11:58markunyes, I think so
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23:12:20markunjust did a git-pull and got the latest commits
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23:13:37gevaertsgevaerts/meizu_m6sl.c"> and
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23:15:13markungevaerts: git diff now shows exactly what was in the pastebin, how weird
23:17:08gevaertsIt flashes half-bytes, LSB to MSB, with one flash meaning 0 (so the 0xa802 is flashed as 3-1-9-11)
23:17:35gevaertsUnless I did something stupid
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23:19:00markungevaerts: nothing happens
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23:19:15gevaertsThat's not much...
23:19:25gevaertsNot even the backlight?
23:19:46Infaustoi have a little question
23:19:51BigBambiJust ask
23:19:59Infaustohow i can build the ipodpatcher?
23:20:15BigBambiDo you need a newer one that the one released?
23:20:19*gevaerts has to go for half an hour or so
23:20:42markungevaerts: not even that
23:20:54Infaustoi build the firmware last nigth, but a dont kno how to build de ipodpatcher
23:21:12BigBambiIs there a reason you aren't using the released pre compiled ones?
23:21:28markungevaerts: I see it waits for PLAY, but nothing
23:21:37markun(I see it in the code I mean)
23:21:56Infaustobecause i want to experiment with the code
23:22:35linuxstbInfausto: There's a README file in the ipodpatcher source directory (rbutil/ipodpatcher in the Rockbox source tree)
23:22:39markungevaerts: my player still works. When I plug in the USB cable without the key combo I get into my 'failed' flash experiment :)
23:23:04Infaustoshit, really??, a dont see that file
23:23:16linuxstbInfausto: In fact, there isn't.... But you just type "make"...
23:23:33linuxstbInfausto: If you want to embed all the bootloaders in ipodpatcher, read the comments at the top of the Makefile
23:23:41Infaustoy tipe that an nothing happens
23:24:00linuxstbNo messages at all?
23:24:17Infausto"cannot find configure" file
23:24:25Infaustoor something like thtat
23:24:39Infaustowath configura file i must execute previusly?
23:25:18linuxstbNone. What's the _exact_ error message when you type "make" in the rbutil/ipodpatcher/ directory?
23:25:30Infaustojust wait
23:25:46Infaustocc1: config.h: No such file or directory
23:25:56InfaustoMakefile:109: / No such file or directory
23:26:04Infaustomake: *** No rule to make target `/'. Stop.
23:27:14markunInfausto: are you in the right folder?
23:27:53Infaustobootloader folder?
23:28:04linuxstbInfausto: Read my last message to you.
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23:29:04Infaustoa shit, my mistake, i in the ipodpatcher
23:31:16gevaertsmarkun: you could try to put the delays back in lcd_spi_io()
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23:32:32markungevaerts: I'll first try the unmodified code, see if my meizu runs the code at all
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23:33:16*shotofadds has an odd playback problem. I've defined ACTION_WPS_PLAY on the D2 (it's managed without one so far..) but trying to use it for play/pause behaviour does not seem to work correctly. Audio is muted and the pause icon appears, but playback does not actually stop... any ideas?
23:35:13markungevaerts: the touchpad code works, but the touchpad is hardly reacting. I hope I didn't break my player.
23:35:49gevaertsmarkun: that sometimes happens. Were your fingers near the touchpad during calibration?
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23:36:23markungevaerts: could be, let me try again
23:36:57markunworks perfect again :)
23:37:39gevaertsgood :)
23:38:02markunyour test code still doesn't do anything here
23:39:29gevaertsI could send you my rockboot.ebn
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23:54:20preglowLANG_FAILED is used erronously in places
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23:54:40preglowit's supposed to be appended to an action, but the db, for example, does'nt prepend anything
23:55:18preglowit doesn't matter for english which (wrongly) has it in caps, but for other languages you get a lower-case "failed" equivalent
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23:57:51preglowalso, can someone tell me the point of the "screen scrolls out of view" setting?
23:58:55amiconnIt's used for horizontal screen scrolling in lists

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