#rockbox 2008-09-17

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#rockbox log for 2008-09-17

00:00:00	Dosu_Tivien	But, my Database didn't update.
00:00:06	Dosu_Tivien	It still has all the old music in there
00:00:12	tal24	the build is ver 15946
00:00:22	Soap	tal24, ok, that's quite old.
00:00:31	tal24	yeah iguess
00:00:32	Soap	How, tal24, did you install the new version?
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00:00:50	tal24	but i cant upgrade it cus my computer wont recognize the usb hookup
00:01:25	tal24	how can i reset the sowftware?
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00:03:48	tal24	?
00:04:09	Soap	Menu+Select is a hardware level reset on the newer iPods. I am not sure that is the combo on the 3rd Gen.
00:04:23	tal24	i tried that :(
00:04:34	Soap	Apple should have a page on how to reset all makes of iPods, and what button combo takes you to disk mode.
00:04:57	Soap	Whichever button combo it is, it will work unless the battery is dead or the hardware is dead. It is not a software reset, it is a hardware reset.
00:05:24	Bonusbartus	tal: What DOES the ipod do? nothing at all, give an error?
00:05:41	tal24	its stuck on the open screen of the rock box
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00:05:53	tal24	and the computer wont recognize it as an ipod
00:05:59	tal24	when i hook it up with the usb
00:06:05	Soap	You need to reset it and enter apple disk mode.
00:06:06	amiconn	Soap: The reset combo for 1st..3rd Gen is Menu+Play
00:06:17	amiconn	...then Left+Right for diskmode
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00:07:08	tal24	so how can i reset it if the menu+enter doesnt work ?
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00:07:50	gevaerts	tal24: read what amiconn just said
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00:08:06	tal24	yeah im trying that
00:08:51	Bonusbartus	Can anyone with some knowledge about the Iriver h1xx/h3xx series tell me if it is possible to write a plugin that detects a signal at the line-in ? Then when a signal is detected stop playback mode and pass it to the equaliser and to the output?
00:08:52	tal24	no response, still stuck on the same screen
00:10:24	Bonusbartus	tal: do you see any text/error besides noticing that it's stuck?
00:10:35	Soap	tal24, how long did you hold the button combo for?
00:10:59	tal24	i see no error text and im pressing the combo down for a while now
00:11:05	gevaerts	Do the 3rd gens also require the hold-toggling?
00:11:18	amiconn	Hold must be disabled
00:11:29	Soap	toggle the hold switch to on, and then to off again, then press and hold w/o finger movement the button combo for 60 seconds.
00:11:31	tal24	it just says "rock box" and down under "ver. r15946-071216"
00:11:34	amiconn	I don't know of any necessary toggling, on any ipod, though
00:12:06	amiconn	15946 is way outdated and expected not to work properly on ipod 1st..3rd Gen
00:12:13	Soap	apple claims it is an important part of the process, I suspect it may be a polite way of saying "the hold switch better be off, idiot."
00:12:19	gevaerts	amiconn: Apple mentions it at least for the video, and I've had a case that it didn't want to reset until I did it
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00:13:23	amiconn	This problem was fixed in r17192, which was back in April(!). r15946 is from last December...
00:13:58	tal24	u realize how long i've been without music :)
00:14:39	Bonusbartus	cant the ipod make a usb connection in bootloader like the irivers can?
00:14:39	tal24	holy **it
00:14:43	tal24	i think it worked
00:15:11	Soap	It _must_ work unless the hardware is borked.
00:15:37	tal24	ok .... i saw the disk mode screen then the ipod turned off and now when i turn it back on i get the rock box screen again
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00:16:05	MarcGuay	Does the X5/M5 USB mode appear any differently than the regular USB connection? i.e. Is there a way to dicern them with the PC?
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00:16:27	amiconn	MarcGuay: What do you mean?
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00:18:07	MarcGuay	Can the difference be told via any PC tools? I've been messing with the Sony NW-A which has the same processor and am curious if something could be the USB mode. But it presents itself exactly the same. I suppose there's no guarantee that they function identically but it's worth asking.
00:18:23	Unhelpful	perhaps he means as in reported device ID, interfaces, endpoints?
00:18:30	tal24	ok i got the disk mode screen and it says "ok to dissconect"
00:18:30	amiconn	Difference between what?
00:18:32	tal24	now what ?
00:18:51	MarcGuay	amiconn: USB mode and a "regular" USB connection.
00:19:08	amiconn	The iaudios have hardware USB, so there is no difference once the bridge is enabled
00:19:09	gevaerts	tal24: now download rbutil (http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility) if you don't have it already and install a recent build
00:19:18	MarcGuay	Assuming it has a "regular" USB connection. Gotcha.
00:19:22	amiconn	There is no such thing as an "USB mode"
00:19:48	tal24	ok now i want to see if my computer will recognize it first :)
00:19:53	*	gevaerts feels ashamed about the bug amiconn fixed in r18534 :(
00:20:35	amiconn	It only hit when HAVE_USB_STACK was defined
00:20:48	amiconn	*HAVE_USBSTACK even
00:21:59	gevaerts	So basically only on the sansas
00:22:08	tal24	alrighty then guys thx a bunch fir the help i think i can safely reset it now
00:22:27	tal24	later ppl ;)
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00:23:59	Bonusbartus	well.. either noone read my question or noone can answer it..
00:25:18	gevaerts	Bonusbartus: I'm pretty sure the hardware can do it. Not sure how easy it is from a plugin though
00:25:57	Bonusbartus	ok "the hardware can do it" means: It can be done in rockbox?
00:26:26	Soap	Bonusbartus, the answer is po. The iPods can load a disk mode which is independent of Rockbox or the main Apple firmware, but is still a function of apple's distributed firmware and not a native feature of the hardware.
00:26:38	amiconn	Soap: That was another question
00:27:28	gevaerts	From what I understand you need the following : (a) monitoring line-in while something is playing (from a plugin), (b) stopping playback, and (c) sending whatever comes from line-in to the DSP
00:27:34	amiconn	Bonusbartus: For this to work, you'd have to implement full-duplex pcm (the iriver hardware should allow this), and then have a recording monitor running in the background all the time
00:27:56	*	gevaerts knows how to do (b)
00:28:19	Bonusbartus	amiconn: can't the pcm used in wave recording be used?
00:28:55	Bonusbartus	gevaerts: yeah I figured b out already ;P
00:28:57	amiconn	Bonusbartus: Not as-is. Atm rockbox doesn't have full-duplex audio, so it's either recording or playback
00:29:17	amiconn	If stopping playback is not a requirement, and you just want the signal from line-in appear on the analog outputs (voice-over), you could just use the analog mixer in the UDA
00:29:53	amiconn	This would obviously not work for s/pdif in and/or s/pdif out though
00:30:02	Dosu_Tivien	Hey, guys, question.
00:30:17	Dosu_Tivien	I re-loaded the music on my RockBox-installed iPod Mini 2nd Gen.
00:30:25	Dosu_Tivien	And for some reason, the database still has all the old music in it.
00:30:32	Dosu_Tivien	Can I rebuild the database somehow?
00:30:33	Bonusbartus	amiconn: I was more thinking about my h340 instead of the h120 i have, I wanted 2 things actually
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00:30:48	gevaerts	Dosu_Tivien: does this old music still play?
00:30:52	Dosu_Tivien	No.
00:30:53	Dosu_Tivien	Nevermind
00:30:56	Dosu_Tivien	I found it in settings
00:30:59	Dosu_Tivien	"Update Now"?
00:31:16	gevaerts	That should do the trick, yes
00:31:20	Dosu_Tivien	Er, wait...that's not doing it.
00:31:28	Dosu_Tivien	it says "updating in background"
00:31:34	Dosu_Tivien	and then that goes away...
00:31:41	Dosu_Tivien	So, do I have to wait like, some long amount of time?
00:32:01	Bonusbartus	1. using my h340 as an equaliser, 2. using the line-in of my h340 in my car to catch the audio of my phone, so I can hear it through the speakers in my car
00:33:00	Bonusbartus	Dosu_Tivien: Depends on how much music you have put on your player
00:33:06	MarcGuay	Dosu_Tivien: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GeneralFAQ#I_deleted_the_files_off_my_playe
00:33:18	Dosu_Tivien	Thanks, Marc.
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00:33:41	Soap	anyone willing / able to test if the theme downloading works on RBUtil now or not?
00:33:42	Dosu_Tivien	but...I already did both of those things.
00:33:52	Dosu_Tivien	Soap: I tested it today.
00:33:54	Dosu_Tivien	It doesn't work.
00:33:58	Dosu_Tivien	I was sad.
00:34:03	MarcGuay	Dosu_Tivien: Yeah it doesn't really answer the "how long"ness.
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00:34:10	Soap	I said "now", not "today" ;)
00:34:19	Dosu_Tivien	So, is there some way to totally wipe the DB?
00:34:20	Bonusbartus	I'll test it if you have a few minutes
00:34:21	Dosu_Tivien	And remake it?
00:34:34	*	amiconn is very puzzled about the Transcend MMC's behaviour
00:34:57	MarcGuay	Dosu_Tivien: Initialize Now should start from scratch.
00:35:14	Dosu_Tivien	nope
00:35:23	Dosu_Tivien	That just says "UPdating in Background"
00:35:25	amiconn	With (roughly) svn, the card contents doesn't appear when cold-plugged, or after usb. When hot-plugged, it works. No other problems in rockbox caused by it
00:36:07	Bonusbartus	Soap: what did you wanted tested exactly?
00:36:30	amiconn	If I use my modified init that ensures the MMC is initialized first when present, the card works both when cold-plugged or hot-plugged, but
00:36:46	amiconn	after USB, I get a mount panic. This makes no sense...
00:36:50	Dosu_Tivien	MarcGuay: Where is the option for directory caching?
00:37:05	Dosu_Tivien	I think I set it to on when I stumbled across it.
00:38:04	scorche	Dosu_Tivien: we have a manual for that sort of thing...
00:38:07	Soap	Bonusbartus, can RBUtil download themes now?
00:38:19	Dosu_Tivien	I didn't see it in the manual...
00:38:21	*	Dosu_Tivien rechecks.
00:38:27	amiconn	I would expect it to either work after usb, or not (like with svn), but no panic...
00:38:48	MarcGuay	Dosu_Tivien: You can search the PDFs. Very handy.
00:39:00	Bonusbartus	Soap: don't know, never used it before, but I'll test it right away
00:39:07	Dosu_Tivien	oh...
00:39:09	Dosu_Tivien	Just noticed that
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00:42:35	Bonusbartus	Soap: nope doesn't work, "the following error occured: Unknown Error"
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00:44:27	Bonusbartus	Soap: or did I use an old release? where can I find the newest?
00:44:56	Soap	nope, error on my end, thank you.
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00:45:58	tapiocapudding	Hi, I've got a question
00:46:08	tapiocapudding	Forgive me if I sound stupid.
00:46:24	tapiocapudding	Is there a way to change rockbox's boot logo for a 1G nano?
00:47:20	Bonusbartus	amiconn: you said when stopping playback is not a requirement... what about just pausing it?
00:47:26	Soap	You will need to compile your own version from the source code, tapiocapudding, as the image is hardcoded into the binary and not loaded from an external image.
00:47:50	amiconn	Bonusbartus: This simple solution cannot detect a signal at all
00:47:56	tapiocapudding	Mnkay. I take it Rockbox is written in C?
00:48:05	amiconn	It simply mixes whatever comes thorugh line in with the playback signal
00:48:05	LambdaCalculus37	Yes.
00:48:40	tapiocapudding	Okay. I suppose now would be a good time to learn... C.
00:48:52	tapiocapudding	Obviously i'm not asking for help here
00:49:05	Bonusbartus	Amiconn: but Waht would happen then when I pause playback?
00:49:18	krazykit	you don't really need to know C. just how to copy an image to the right place and run the compile script.
00:49:23	amiconn	You would just hear what comes through line in
00:49:37	Soap	tapiocapudding, no C required. Download the source, set up a build environment, swap out one .bmp file, compile. Step by step instructions are on the wiki.
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00:49:44	amiconn	This is a simple analog mixer, no digital processing involved at all
00:49:48	Soap	So easy even a caveman could do it. And I'm living proof.
00:49:54	Dosu_Tivien	Ok
00:49:55	Dosu_Tivien	So
00:49:58	Dosu_Tivien	Soap
00:50:06	Dosu_Tivien	Can I delete the DB file and remake it somehow?
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00:50:37	Bonusbartus	ah, so no equaliser...and rockbox can't notice the level of input on the line-in...\
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00:50:46	tapiocapudding	Hmn. I heard there were instructions on the wiki but my browsing and searching turned up nothing. If it wouldn't be too much trouble could I get a url for the wiki page?
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00:50:59	scorche	Dosu_Tivien: sure...
00:51:16	Dosu_Tivien	How would I manage that?
00:51:21	Dosu_Tivien	like, what file do I delete?
00:51:31	scorche	all of the *.tcd files
00:51:35	Soap	tapiocapudding, Wiki. Docs Index. For Developers.
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00:51:52	amiconn	Bonusbartus: Correct. Treble/bass should work though, as they're implemented in hardware, within the UDA1380
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00:52:50	Dosu_Tivien	scorche: Thanks.
00:53:33	Bonusbartus	aiconn: thanks, so no easy equaliser, but this could be enough for the line-in fto be connected to my phone in my car
00:54:16	Bonusbartus	amiconn: I guess it would be pretty hard to code the full duplex pcm? as it isn't done by anyone yet...
00:54:37	amiconn	Dosu_Tivien: It should never be necessary to delete the DB files. If 'Update now' doesn't work properly for some reason, 'Initialize now' does a full rebuild
00:54:55	Dosu_Tivien	yes
00:55:01	Dosu_Tivien	but update now just makes it background update
00:55:03	gevaerts	Bonusbartus: possibly it's just that nobody has been motivated enough yet
00:55:03	amiconn	Bonusbartus: I have no idea. Iirc jhMikeS and preglow did some experiments in that direction
00:55:11	Dosu_Tivien	I want my database rebuilt ASAP
00:55:20	amiconn	It's simply unnecessary for normal use
00:55:29	Dosu_Tivien	ok
00:55:48	scorche	Dosu_Tivien: patience...
00:56:08	Bonusbartus	amiconn: yeah I read a thread on the forum about using the h120 for guitar effects or something like that.. but didn't find anything I could use
00:56:21	pixelma	Dosu_Tivien: the update in the background still does a full rebuild, the only thing this means is that you can continue using Rockbox (e.g. listening music etc.)
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00:58:07	Dosu_Tivien	Yea
00:58:11	Dosu_Tivien	But I took out MOST of the music
00:58:16	Dosu_Tivien	so I just rebuilt
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00:58:18	pixelma	to clarify - I mean when it states "Updating in the background" or the like after chosing "Initialize now"
00:59:48	Dosu_Tivien	Oh.
00:59:49	Dosu_Tivien	Ok...
00:59:53	Dosu_Tivien	But how long does that normally take?
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01:00:01	Bonusbartus	wouldn't the player also rebuild after a restart?
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04:07:42	MarcGuay	Anyone care to help a linux beginner install some software? Using the RB VMware image, trying to install Cmake to compile the ZenUtils.
04:08:18	MarcGuay	Gotten as far as downloading it and extracting it to the virtual drive.
04:09:07	MarcGuay	Apparently there are pre-built binaries in the directories but they don't react to commands - seems as though further installation is required.
04:09:37	Unhelpful	"don't react"?
04:09:39	scorche\|sh	dont react to commands?...what do you mean?
04:10:01	MarcGuay	Aren't acting as executables. Hmm, aren't defined as such either.
04:10:12	scorche\|sh	chmod +x ?
04:10:35	MarcGuay	Seems strange that I would have to do that, no? Ah shit, maybe windows redefined them...
04:10:39	Unhelpful	can you tell us exactly what you type, and exactly what happens?
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04:13:37	MarcGuay	I've downloaded the version for Linux i386, so far so good?
04:14:08	Jeton	Disable OF database refresh doesn't work for Sansa e250 anymore? Or i'm using an old version of sansapatcher?
04:14:50	MarcGuay	Jeton: I think it only works with cetain OF versions. Some info in the SansaFAQ.
04:16:07	Jeton	It used to work on my Sansa, and I haven't updated the OF ever since.
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04:17:45	MarcGuay	Jeton: But you reinstalled the bootloader? Did you follow the extra instructions on that page?
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04:19:35	MarcGuay	Unhelpful: If you're still willing to defy your alias, I am typing "cmake -g "Unix Makefiles" .." and the response is "bash: cmake: command not found".
04:19:49	Jeton	I did follow the instructions. However i noticed one thing right now. After i removed the MicroSD it's working again.
04:20:57	advcomp2019	Jeton, that is a normal issue i think
04:21:22	MarcGuay	Unhelpful: Then I tried giving the direct path to the /bin/cmake file "../../../cmake/bin/cmake -g etc" with the same result. I know little about Unix but it seems as though I have to "install" the command/software somewhere. Yar.
04:21:58	Jeton	advcomp2019: I think you're right.
04:22:31	Unhelpful	and the second time it was cmake that it said was not found? i'm really not sure, then.
04:24:45	MarcGuay	Unhelpful: Meh, it worked. Had to re-set the executable flag and I had forgotten the all-important ".." when I gave it the direct path. Thanks for listening... :)
04:25:01	Jeton	Maybe someone could add the infor on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaFAQ about it. I'll see if i can add it tomorrow myself. Good night. :)
04:25:03	Unhelpful	yay
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04:40:36	MarcGuay	If it has something to do with rockbox, yes. Otherwise you could try #rockbox-community
04:41:06	GigabeatS30User	Okay...I'll try the other one then. I am thinking of using Rockbox but I am not sure if I should.
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07:15:17	cool_walking_	GigabeatSInstallation says under Bootloader installation (dual-boot version): "[To be completed - there is currently no source for the required original firmware =nk.bin=]", but there is a (unofficial) source which is linked from GigabeatSInfo. Should the GigabeatSInfo link be removed, or GigabeatSInstallation updated?
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09:09:04	markun	sorry, wrong channel
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09:40:59	JdGordon	BigBambi: being able to delete resume points in a bmark file... not really an important feature?
09:41:22	BigBambi	I've never used it, but I can't speak for others
09:41:40	JdGordon	i might just leave that out.. its going to be painful to implement
09:59:19	*	JdGordon is confused by some of the playlist resume code
09:59:49	JdGordon	why is the random seed being set from global_status.resume_seed instead of the .playlist_control file (where it shuold be set anyway?)
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10:01:32	LinusN	JdGordon: it could be that the resume_seed is a lot older than the .playlist_control concept
10:01:54	JdGordon	that sounds likely
10:02:24	LinusN	also, the resume information was previously stored in the hidden sector
10:03:02	JdGordon	yeah, with the rest of global_settings (before they were moved out to global_Status)... but I tihnk both should be moved back into the playlist control file
10:03:17	JdGordon	svn reverts and fiddles to check this out
10:03:21	JdGordon	+ /me
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10:08:04	JdGordon	should changing "shuffle" on the quickscreen reshuffle the current playlist?>
10:10:38	JdGordon	yes, and it does
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10:20:19	JdGordon	amiconn: like the idea of reclaiming 4 bytes of nvram?
10:20:57	JdGordon	+ another 12 if the rest of the resume info is moved to where it should be
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10:22:13	DieselHopper	Is there anyway I can load the iTunes firmware on my iPod with Rockbox being on there, other than hooking it up to my computer and loading iTunes?
10:22:23	DieselHopper	Some button combination on the iPod?
10:22:41	JdGordon	hold menu when booting iirc
10:22:56	DieselHopper	iirc?
10:23:05	JdGordon	if i recall correctlly
10:23:12	DieselHopper	oh okay
10:23:16	DieselHopper	I'll try that
10:23:17	DieselHopper	thansk
10:23:18	DieselHopper	thanks*
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10:44:59	markun	gevaerts: what do the "possibly 0x74" and "possibly 0x77" comments in lcd-m6sl.c mean?
10:46:35	gevaerts	markun: that I don't understand from the datasheet what the ID bit means
10:46:41	gevaerts	Both seem to work
10:51:01	markun	gevaerts: I don't understand the datasheet either
10:51:30	markun	"The ID pin can determine the LSB of the identification code."
10:53:30	markun	gevaerts: "When a SPI mode is selected, the IM0 pin is used as ID setting bit for a device code."
10:53:55	markun	that doesn't explain why both values should work
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10:58:20	gevaerts	markun: indeed not. More work for tonight :)
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11:21:18	markun	gevaerts: I can't find any references to 0x3C1000?? addresses in M6SL-2.004.6.ebn
11:22:22	gevaerts	markun: try 0x39200000. It's the other one (chapter 27)
11:22:43	markun	ah yes, thanks
11:25:27	markun	gevaerts: there are a few references to 0x3C100000 in the M3 firmware..
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14:34:53	JdGordon	LambdaCalculus37: player doesnt matter, every target will be affected
14:35:16	JdGordon	hopefully there wont be any noticable change but im not commitnig this fix (green delta) without proper testing
14:35:47	LambdaCalculus37	JdGordon: I'll try it on my Jukebox Recorder.
14:36:17	JdGordon	just need to create a playlist and stop it, then make sure when you retsrat it that its still in the same order
14:36:33	JdGordon	shuffled and not, and db playlist, random files and dirplay
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14:37:00	JdGordon	my testing showed it to work, but i really cant be bothered with commiting 3 fix commits incase it doesnt :p
14:38:49	LambdaCalculus37	JdGordon: Did you try it on the hardware itself?
14:39:15	JdGordon	no, sim only, its not target code at all so shouldnt make a difference
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16:37:46	jgsprenger	couple of weeks ago, i had noticed some of my WMA (all of my WMA?) files no longer decode properly on my E280...I IRCed some folks here, and rolled back the build... but I'm wondering if its been corrected in recent builds?
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16:41:59	saratoga	jgsprenger: what was your issue ?
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16:44:57	one	hey guys! could anyone help me? i am now installing cygwin to compile from rocbox. but installer givse an error egarding missing .sig file. i am using this guide http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment . so i cand understand what do this mean supply the -X (−−no-verify) command-line flag when using Cygwin's setup.exe
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16:55:18	markun	one: I don't know anything about cygwin. I hope someone else can help.
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16:57:56	LambdaCalculus37	one: Click Start > Run, and type "X:\%pathtocygwinsetup%\setup.exe -X" (replace X: with the drive letter and %pathtocygwinsetup% with the folder name of where you saved setup.exe)
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17:12:37	one	LambdaCalculus37 thanks, it doesnt show the error but it doesnt show rockbox packedges, it shows standard packdges
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17:15:28	LambdaCalculus37	Did you add the mirror for the Rockbox packages? It's on the wiki page.
17:16:46	one	http://download.rockbox.org/cygwin/ this?
17:17:25	LambdaCalculus37	Yep.
17:17:43	LambdaCalculus37	Add that mirror, then download everything on it.
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17:18:31	kugel	Nico_P: Hey, the pf bug is still present isn't it?
17:18:52	Nico_P	kugel: I didn't have much time to deal with it
17:19:04	Nico_P	when I tried to reproduce it I couldn't
17:19:19	kugel	It's a one-line fix though
17:19:33	kugel	I could reproduce it, with showing fps disabled
17:19:45	Nico_P	I didn't have that enabled
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17:20:48	markun	kugel, Nico_P: what's pf?
17:20:57	Nico_P	pictureflow
17:21:20	kugel	Nico_P: have you tried turning fps on, then view a tracklist, then turning fps off again and then view a tracklist? I certainly had this after deactivating fps
17:21:40	Nico_P	kugel: here is the patch scotty sent me: http://pastebin.com/m174efb11
17:22:19	kugel	I guess that should work, but just initializing titletxt_y with a value should do it too
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17:25:06	Nico_P	kugel: do you know scotty's real name?
17:25:16	kugel	No, sorry
17:25:41	kugel	Flyspray says Thomas Schott
17:26:00	Nico_P	I guess that's it then... I think I'll commit his patch
17:26:12	kugel	nice
17:26:41	LambdaCalculus37	Another name in lights. ;)
17:27:20	one	LambdaCalculus37 yes now i have installed it. but when i am triying to get thesvn source it failes and writes bash: svn: command not found
17:27:35	LambdaCalculus37	one: Did you install the svn packages?
17:28:11	one	yes
17:29:27	LambdaCalculus37	All of the packages from Step 2.1 on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment?
17:38:05	one	LambdaCalculus37 it seemed to me that i have installed them. the process was vry fadt. now i choode another mirror and the packedges are installing. very slowly. as there ar alot of files
17:38:18	one	hope that that is the write way =)
17:38:54	LambdaCalculus37	As long as you follow the instructions on Step 2.1 on that wiki page, you should be good to go.
17:41:04	one	and what about this step Step 3: Select the Rockbox mirror site and install ?
17:42:39	LambdaCalculus37	You did that earlier, I believe.
17:43:20	one	LambdaCalculus37 yes ofcourse =)
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17:55:19	jgsprenger	@saratoga... sorry was afk.... the WMA files played slow
17:57:22	saratoga	jgsprenger: you said theres a build where this doesn't happen?
17:57:39	jgsprenger	prior to aug 20ish
17:58:21	saratoga	how much prior to then?
17:58:46	jgsprenger	sorry
17:59:01	jgsprenger	after aug 20 or 21 the WMAs play slow
17:59:38	jgsprenger	there was a codec (patch ?) consolidation for AAC, OOG and WMA i think that broke it
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18:02:21	saratoga	that was commited on Sep 4
18:02:45	saratoga	the previous WMA commit was on August 10
18:03:03	saratoga	was it either of these?
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18:07:30	jgsprenger	not sure
18:08:02	jgsprenger	but i have some WMA that have had the DRM stripped...wondering if its that now
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18:16:40	kugel	did anyone see buschel lately?
18:16:59	LambdaCalculus37	Nope.
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18:51:02	derpderpderp	How can I stop the settings from getting cleared when I boot with the hold button on?
18:51:20	BigBambi	Was it 9407 or 9408 that JdGordon\|zzz wanted testing in particular?
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18:57:30	markun	derpderpderp: I don't think it's possible other than changing the code
18:58:41	markun	derpderpderp: I was told that the hold 'button' is the only button which can be read reliably at boot on the ipods. Do you have an ipod?
18:58:49	derpderpderp	Yeah
18:58:51	fred_2	could someone pls tell me a recent mp3-player (that i'm able to buy now) that runs rockbox ?
18:59:00	derpderpderp	I guess I meant switch
18:59:32	derpderpderp	It's easy to forget to turn hold off when you plug in.
18:59:48	markun	fred_2: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/BuyersGuide/
18:59:49	J-23	fred_2: iPod Classic/Video?
18:59:55	markun	none of them are recent
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19:00:01	markun	J-23: rockbox doesn't run on the classic
19:00:07	LambdaCalculus37	J-23: No, not iPod Classic/Video... iPod video.
19:00:30	LambdaCalculus37	Don't confuse people.
19:00:35	fred_2	your link doesnt work for me markun :(
19:00:40	J-23	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide
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19:01:07	J-23	LambdaCalculus37: I meaned "iPod Classic or iPod Video"
19:01:30	fred_2	my problem is that i already looked for a lot of models which are mentiond on the page - but no luck getting a new one
19:01:50	LambdaCalculus37	J-23: But don't write it as "Classic/Video", because some people will think "Oh, I can buy an iPod right now and it'll work!", then bitch later when it doesn't.
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19:03:35	fred_2	i would kill for having replaygain-support on a mp3-player
19:03:56	LambdaCalculus37	fred_2: You'll have to go onto eBay to get a supported player.
19:04:06	LambdaCalculus37	That's what many of us have done.
19:04:06	markun	fred_2: we're working on several ports right now
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19:04:49	fred_2	nice to hear that
19:05:24	fred_2	is there a special place in the forums for this ?
19:05:32	derpderpderp	Is car adapter mode working in the current iPod video build? Mine keeps rebooting whenever I plug it in
19:06:00	fred_2	perhaps 'new ports' ?
19:06:05	LambdaCalculus37	fred_2: Just curious... are you located in the USA? If so, here's a player you can buy: http://www.froobi.com/SanDisk-Sansa-Rockbox-16GB-MP3Media-Player-Bundle-8GB-Recertified-e280-v1-Rockbox-ready-8GB-MicroSDHC-Card_p_78-32297.html
19:06:32	LambdaCalculus37	fred_2: The "new ports" section is for technical discussion of getting a port up and running.
19:07:00	markun	fred_2: also the "New Ports" section here http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view
19:08:55	fred_2	no LambdaCalculus37 - germany
19:10:54	fred_2	buy it for me and send it :)
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19:17:32	LambdaCalculus37	fred_2: Sure, let me prep the instant matter teleporter while I'm at it. ;)
19:17:48	fred_2	great - thank you
19:17:51	fred_2	,)
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19:19:09	amiconn	JdGordon\|zzz: There are several reasons why the resume position should stay in nvram and not be part of .playlist_control
19:19:10	Dilzo	can i install rockbox on a 6th gen ipod classic?
19:19:20	dionoea	no
19:19:53	Dilzo	can i install rockbox on a gth gen i pod clasic?
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19:19:58	dionoea	no
19:20:09	dionoea	asking twice won't change the answer
19:20:26	Dilzo	is anybody working on a build yet?
19:20:34	Dilzo	whoops soz
19:20:49	amiconn	(1) nvram is binary, .playlist_control is text. Since the resume position is updated very often (once per second iirc), this is unnecessary conversion overhead
19:20:49	LambdaCalculus37	No.
19:21:15	Dilzo	i didnt mean to ask twice i thought the irc didnt send the message
19:21:17	amiconn	(2) If something goes wrong while updating, you'd lose both the position and the list
19:21:37	dionoea	Dilzo: hehe ;)
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19:22:04	amiconn	And on targets with true nvram, actually using this nvram for the resume position has several advantages:
19:22:59	amiconn	(3) Using nvram means that the playback code won't register an idle callback for the next spinup. This saves some power, because the extra write operation (in the callback) is avoided
19:23:40	amiconn	(4) It also ensures an up-to-date resume position if the target shuts down due to low bat while playing
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19:24:33	amiconn	For bookmarks, those reasons don't apply, of course
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19:45:01	amiconn	This Transcend MMC is weird: it doesn't get confused by the communication it "sees" while not selected, but rather it refuses to switch to SPI mode if it saw any communication which is valid in MMC mode while not selected (hence interpreting it as MMC mode traffic)
19:46:07	amiconn	It is the CMD0 sent to the internal flash that makes it not work in SVN when cold-plugged (because that CMD0 is the only command that is required to have a valid CRC-7)
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19:48:02	amiconn	This is a clear violation of the MMC specs, which say that CMD0 is valid at all times, and CMD0 with /CS asserted switches the card to SPI mode. Hence, switching to SPI mode should be possible at any time
19:48:25	amiconn	(and switching back is impossible for real MMCs without power cycling)
19:49:21	amiconn	So the conclusion is that this is unfixable in rockbox, but we should show the "Please remove..." splash when such a card is found
19:51:05	*	gevaerts looks for Transcend's bug tracker
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19:52:31	amiconn	When I deliberately send a CMD0 with the MMC's /CS deasserted, the card won't work even when hot-plugged. When I send another command, or a CMD0 with a wrong CRC-7, it does work
19:52:49	amiconn	Other MMCs do work under the same conditions
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20:07:59	J-23	hmm, I see last days there are some changes in USB code. Are they just changes in USB identification (device type) and charging?
20:08:40	gevaerts	J-23: what changes?
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20:11:26	J-23	changes to firmware/usb.c and to firmware/usbstack/*
20:12:29	gevaerts	J-23: have you read the svn log for those?
20:12:39	J-23	hmm, yes.
20:12:47	J-23	but after asking :/
20:18:38	markun	gevaerts: should we base the m3 LCD driver on the m6sl? as far as I know there is only 1 LCD driver IC used in all models, but Meizu could change that in future.
20:19:22	gevaerts	markun: I think it's best to only ad complexity if and when we need it
20:20:17	markun	ok
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20:22:01	*	J-23 can't wait for his new e280, but it can be v2 :/
20:24:55	Jabone	i have e260 v2 so at this point there's no way running rockbox on it
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20:29:12	markun	gevaerts: do you think we can eventually use just 1 bootloader/meizu.c file for all 3 (4?) targets?
20:30:29	gevaerts	markun: That should be possible I think. They are not the same, but neither are the ipods, or the other portalplayer targets
20:33:26	gevaerts	markun: similarly, shouldn't we rename firmware/target/arm/s5l8700/meizu-m6sl to meizu-m6?
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20:34:03	markun	gevaerts: I don't know. Can't we just put the shared files in firmware/target/arm/s5l8700/ ?
20:34:22	gevaerts	maybe. Maybe some also need to go to firmware/drivers
20:34:43	markun	I created a meizu-m6sl and meizu-m3 folder as well
20:35:04	gevaerts	ok. I'll see them when you commit
20:35:20	markun	gevaerts: in case you want to do something easy tonight, maybe you could do the qt411 driver ;)
20:35:58	gevaerts	markun: we could let someone from meizume do that one :)
20:36:34	gevaerts	but yes, that should be pretty easy
20:36:37	markun	and I think I'll add separate files in /bootloader for now. When all the testing is over we can merge them again.
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20:55:30	*	gevaerts is confused
20:58:11	mcuelenaere	bughunter2: have you seen the (possible) LCD IC driver update for the Zen V?
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21:05:41	bughunter2	mcuelenaere: no, i'm really busy these days :(
21:05:41	bughunter2	sorry
21:05:53	mcuelenaere	np
21:07:45	bughunter2	mcuelenaere: is the Zen V already bootable etc.?
21:07:59	mcuelenaere	nope, nothing yet
21:08:01	bughunter2	what is done on it? (probably on the wiki?)
21:08:03	bughunter2	oh
21:08:04	bughunter2	i see
21:08:08	mcuelenaere	yep, the wiki
21:08:13	mcuelenaere	no owners have done anything
21:08:25	bughunter2	then how can we be sure an LCD driver works?
21:08:32	mcuelenaere	we aren't
21:08:35	mcuelenaere	it's just a hint
21:08:42	mcuelenaere	but at least we're pretty sure we know which one it is
21:09:03	mcuelenaere	now we can start looking in the OF for the init routine
21:09:06	mcuelenaere	or try making your own
21:09:13	mcuelenaere	but then you're missing the backlight
21:09:17	mcuelenaere	etc etc
21:11:24	bughunter2	oh i see :)
21:11:36	bughunter2	mcuelenaere: OF ? output file?
21:11:39	bughunter2	?:p
21:13:22	n1s	Original Firmware
21:13:55	amiconn	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ProjectGlossary#OF
21:14:00	bughunter2	i see, sorry i'm not that much home into this yet :(
21:14:23	J-23	ahh, how many things changed in ~1,5 year of Rockbox development...
21:15:25	bughunter2	J-23: ?
21:15:58	J-23	e.g. plugins were categorized
21:16:11	J-23	it's not a major change, but...
21:17:14	n1s	J-23: we have a MajorChanges wiki page and there's always the svn changelogs if you want details
21:17:56	J-23	yes, I know.
21:18:09	J-23	I read http://rockbox.org/recent.shtml sometimes
21:18:18	BigBambi	Then what is your point?
21:18:44	J-23	BigBambi: nothing, I'm just spamming and generating needless network traffic.
21:18:52	BigBambi	Then please do not
21:19:09	BigBambi	Go and read the channel guidelines - this is a logged development and support channel only
21:19:19	J-23	Is is possible to download Pacman ROMs? (are they legally protected?)
21:19:25	BigBambi	No, you cannot
21:19:35	LambdaCalculus37	J-23: Get an arcade board and get them yourself.
21:19:41	BigBambi	You need to dump them from your arcade cabinet
21:19:47	bughunter2	J-23: code one yourself
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21:20:43	mcuelenaere	bughunter2: oh sorry, yes I meant Original Firmware as in the Creative one
21:20:52	bughunter2	mcuelenaere: yeah i see now :)
21:21:00	mcuelenaere	:)
21:21:03	bughunter2	i'm just less busy with this than you, i feel a bit dumb
21:21:06	bughunter2	for not knowing the abbrevs
21:21:14	bughunter2	even though theres a page for it like amiconn said
21:21:15	bughunter2	:)
21:21:21	mcuelenaere	I'm not at all busy with the Zen V
21:21:40	mcuelenaere	it's just, whenever something happens with the Zen's; I'll be around ;)
21:22:24	bughunter2	mcuelenaere: :)
21:22:40	mcuelenaere	don't worry about the abbrevs, there aren't a lot and they aren't really important :)
21:22:50	mcuelenaere	if you don't know them, just ask
21:22:58	bughunter2	yeah
21:24:00	bluebrother	there's also an IRC lingo wiki page
21:24:02	mcuelenaere	it's just that you're the only one being closest to a 'Zen V'-developer, that's why I asked
21:24:10	mcuelenaere	@bughunter2
21:24:22	mcuelenaere	s/asked/mentioned/
21:24:28	bughunter2	mcuelenaere: yeah i see, well i seriously want to continue on it someitme
21:24:33	bughunter2	but i'm so busy with school and life in general
21:24:35	bughunter2	:/
21:24:41	mcuelenaere	yeah, I understand
21:25:03	mcuelenaere	at least I think there's someone else working on an other Zen flash target
21:25:07	bughunter2	cool
21:25:11	mcuelenaere	and on a similar SoC
21:25:23	mcuelenaere	actually, it's the newer version of the one the Zen V uses
21:25:42	mcuelenaere	the Sigmatel 37xx if I remember correctly
21:26:45	J-23	Why in UI Simulator up/down keys aren't up/down keys (e200)?
21:27:27	rasher	J-23: what's up on the e200?
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21:38:41	linuxstb	rasher: The wheel, which we can't map sensibly on a keyboard...
21:38:49	amiconn	Hmm, the list code is buggy.
21:38:49	rasher	Exactly
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21:40:01	amiconn	When scrolling up & down near the start or end of the list, it's relatively easy to confuse and make it wrap *in the wrong direction
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21:40:53	amiconn	Or rather, not in the wrong direction, but there's a 1-line zone at the beginning and end where it reacts in an unexpected way
21:41:35	amiconn	This seems to apply to read-only lists only
21:43:04	amiconn	Hmm. It's not even such a zone, it's weird all over (if the list is long enough)
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21:43:25	*	bughunter2 resurrects
21:43:27	bughunter2	ah wait wrong person
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21:44:55	bughunter2	LOL
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21:58:43	*	mcuelenaere wonders why button_get() is so laggy compared button_read_device()..
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22:05:22	amiconn	button_get() reads from the queue
22:05:47	mcuelenaere	yes, but it misses button events
22:05:54	mcuelenaere	and for touchscreen it's even worse
22:06:08	amiconn	I guess this is on Onda....
22:06:14	mcuelenaere	yep :)
22:06:27	amiconn	You probably need an interrupt driven button driver
22:06:49	mcuelenaere	the touchscreen is interrupt driven, buttons not
22:07:11	amiconn	Hmm, ordinary buttons shouldn't get lost even with timer-based polling
22:07:18	mcuelenaere	but even it is, how should I inform button_tick() for new buttons?
22:07:33	amiconn	It'd be quit ehard for a human to press/release a button faster than 100 times a second...
22:07:42	mcuelenaere	they don't really get lost, it's just like they go on/off
22:08:26	mcuelenaere	so probably this is due to ticks aren't fast enough?
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22:08:47	amiconn	Testing you rtick timer should be easy
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22:09:29	amiconn	Just output current_tick in a loop on lcd, and watch it versus an external watch/clock
22:09:40	mcuelenaere	it increases +100 every second
22:09:48	amiconn	Then it's ok
22:10:16	amiconn	Btw, an interrupt driven button driver would just set a button status register in the isr which the button tick then just reads
22:10:18	mcuelenaere	perhaps a bit longer than a second
22:10:33	mcuelenaere	ah, that's how touchscreen handling is currently implemented
22:10:35	amiconn	The ipod button drivers do this
22:11:03	amiconn	...probably other gpio based button drivers on PP as well
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22:12:29	mcuelenaere	and why is checking GPIO directly not good enough?
22:12:33	mcuelenaere	is it too slow?
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22:13:13	amiconn	It would work, but using an isr is better. Then there's less to do in the tick
22:13:28	mcuelenaere	hmm ok
22:13:44	amiconn	The tick runs 100 times per second, versus the isr only runs whenever a button is pressed or released
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22:14:28	amiconn	For a wheel, using interrupts is a requirement, because the wheel phase can easily change more often than 100 times per second
22:15:10	amiconn	If you'd handle this with polling, the wheel starts behaving erratically when exceeding that limit (G1...G3 wheel driver used to do back then)
22:15:55	*	amiconn wonders how the sd driver handles the crad timeouts....
22:15:58	amiconn	*card
22:16:54	*	amiconn would like to unify the structs used by the MMC and SD driver as much as possible, get rid of the rockbox coding guideline violations there, and also get rid of TARGET_TREE
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22:57:24	mib_vkpdpt	Hello
22:57:50	mib_vkpdpt	I'm wondering which is the newest player that is fully supported by Rockbox? It seems like most of them are rather old
22:58:13	mib_vkpdpt	My gigabeat f20 is getting a bit old and fragile, with parts (literally) falling off, as well as frequent crashes.
22:58:34	advcomp2019	mib_vkpdpt, most of them are out of date
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23:00:12	advcomp2019	mib_vkpdpt, there are new ports that have issues still
23:01:11		Quit domonoky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
23:03:33	mib_vkpdpt	advcomp2019: Of the new ports, do any have considerable storage space?
23:03:40	mib_vkpdpt	Like 16gb or more?
23:03:53	mib_vkpdpt	I don't want a 4gb fixed storage player..
23:04:05	mib_vkpdpt	also, one with a decent screen for watching videos
23:04:17	mcuelenaere	amiconn: changing to an interrupt driven button driver doesn't change a thing, it even worsen things (because the interrupts only occur when the button is pressed, not when released)
23:04:57	gevaerts	mib_vkpdpt: the cowon D2 seems to match those requirements.
23:05:03	advcomp2019	mib_vkpdpt, i think the d2 too
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23:05:38	gevaerts	The gigabeat S too, but I think you get the same availability issues as with the ports that are already done
23:05:50	BigBambi	mib_vkpdpt: www.rockbox.org/wiki/BuyersGuide lists the various players, but none are any longer in production. Be careful about ports in progress - there is no guarantee that any will be finished (although some are much more likely than others)
23:06:00	*	gevaerts still recommends the gigabeat F
23:06:28	*	BigBambi recommends the F for just playback, and the iriver H100 for recording
23:06:35	mib_vkpdpt	gevaerts: I already got an F20
23:06:48	gevaerts	mib_vkpdpt: sure, but you say it's falling apart...
23:06:54	BigBambi	mib_vkpdpt: I'd get another one
23:07:12	BigBambi	They are dead cheap on ebay when they appear, run rockbox very well, etc. etc.
23:07:15	mib_vkpdpt	I'd only be able to find a second hand one
23:07:19	BigBambi	Yes
23:07:25	mib_vkpdpt	I bought this one on ebay
23:07:31	BigBambi	...
23:07:40	BigBambi	There are no current ports in production
23:07:43	mib_vkpdpt	It was bricked when I got it, had to unplug the hard drive then install rockbox via bootloader usb mode to get it working
23:07:50	BigBambi	That isn't bricked then
23:07:59	mib_vkpdpt	Well, it wasn't working at least
23:08:16	mib_vkpdpt	And it was already scratched up and fragile
23:08:39	gevaerts	Both my Fs come from ebay, and both are in good condition
23:08:45	BigBambi	Mine was too
23:08:54	mib_vkpdpt	Don't get me wrong, it works
23:09:11	mib_vkpdpt	It just looks ugly, tends to crash from time to time, and the top and bottom plates tend to fall off
23:09:26	mib_vkpdpt	(The ones covering the screws next to the USB port, the minijack etc)
23:09:32	BigBambi	Regardless, you are welcome to take a punt on a non-completed port but as I say they may never be completed, or not for a long time
23:09:41	*	bluebrother is just looking after an F on ebay ...
23:09:47	mib_vkpdpt	Wow
23:09:50	mib_vkpdpt	Cowon D2 looks great
23:10:05	mib_vkpdpt	Touchscreen.. does that work on Rockbox?
23:10:13	mcuelenaere	partly
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23:10:35	mcuelenaere	I think most screens are covered
23:10:35	gevaerts	mib_vkpdpt: with the D2 the main remaining problem is flash storage
23:10:40	BigBambi	mib_vkpdpt: I remind you that the D2 port is not done/ready/finished etc
23:10:46	mib_vkpdpt	What is wrong with the flash storage?
23:10:54	BigBambi	It doesn't work?
23:11:01	mib_vkpdpt	Would it be possible to use memory cards instead of the main storage, then?
23:11:14	gevaerts	It works after a fashion. No write support, and read support is dodgy
23:11:29	*	BigBambi classes that as not working from a user point of view
23:11:30	gevaerts	SD cards could be a solution, but that doesn't work yet either
23:11:33	mib_vkpdpt	Is anyone actively working on finishing the port?
23:11:48		Quit petur ("Zzzz")
23:11:51	BigBambi	yes, but there is no telling how quickly or slowly that may happen
23:11:54	gevaerts	yes
23:12:06	mib_vkpdpt	Hmm...
23:12:12	mib_vkpdpt	Is the D2 still in production?
23:12:20	gevaerts	As far as I know, yes
23:12:58	*	gevaerts checks
23:13:00	mib_vkpdpt	Holy crap
23:13:02	gevaerts	Still available new
23:13:04	mib_vkpdpt	The thing plays FLAC
23:13:21	mib_vkpdpt	FLAC support is my main reason for using Rockbox
23:13:22	BigBambi	All rockbox players play FLAC....
23:13:28	mib_vkpdpt	No, I mean, by default
23:13:33	mib_vkpdpt	With the default OS
23:13:38	BigBambi	I know what you meant, but this is #rockbox
23:13:43	mib_vkpdpt	Yeah
23:13:46	BigBambi	The OF is irrelevant
23:14:07	mib_vkpdpt	OS* ?
23:14:12	BigBambi	OF
23:14:18	BigBambi	Original Firmware
23:14:45	mib_vkpdpt	Ah
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23:15:16	mib_vkpdpt	I think I might buy it, and just use the OF until the Rockbox port is complete
23:15:57	mib_vkpdpt	FLAC support is, as I said before, my main reason for using Rockbox
23:16:20	*	BigBambi points out the old Archos players don't play FLAC before someone pedantic corrects him
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23:18:29	bluebrother	did someone test the latest rbutil binary on a non-F8 distro?
23:18:43	*	pixelma is reminded of GodEater's forum post of today and still is unsure whether to correct or not
23:18:57	BigBambi	bluebrother: non-F8?
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23:18:59	gevaerts	bluebrother: I can do that right now. What do you need tested?
23:19:12	bluebrother	BigBambi: non-Fedora8
23:19:14	mib_vkpdpt	What size SD cards can be used on the D2?
23:19:19	mib_vkpdpt	I know some devices have limitations
23:19:27	gevaerts	mib_vkpdpt: sdhc, so all of them
23:19:28	bluebrother	gevaerts: just check if it starts up, and possibly check the version of libpng.
23:19:30	BigBambi	bluebrother: aha - I can if you like
23:19:39	bluebrother	BigBambi: please do so
23:19:44	gevaerts	bluebrother: the binary from the website?
23:19:46	BigBambi	Is it a specific one, or shall I build SVN?
23:19:53	bluebrother	gevaerts: yep
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23:20:20	mib_vkpdpt	gevaerts: Awesome, so I can just buy the 2GB version, and get a bigass SD card
23:20:29	bluebrother	BigBambi: please try the binary from the website. I'm currently looking at FS #9291, and there seems to be something strange. Unfortunately that guy always uses older distros
23:20:41	BigBambi	1.0.6?
23:20:47	bluebrother	yep
23:21:02	bluebrother	mib_vkpdpt: bigass SD card won't work, you need microSD ...
23:21:21	mib_vkpdpt	What do you mean? I was thinking of getting like a 16GB SD card...
23:21:22	Bagder	bluebrother: not in the D2
23:21:47	bluebrother	the D2 uses full size SD cards?
23:21:47	*	Bagder oopses... I'm not really here yet =)
23:21:56	Bagder	yes
23:22:02	bluebrother	oh.
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23:23:29	bluebrother	Bagder: I was a bit cut from the recent discussions the last few days, but rockbox-themes.org is a bit problematic. There was the idea to set up themes.rockbox.org and make that return always a configuration file for rbutil that displays an error
23:23:56	bluebrother	and then release an updated rbutil for 3.0. Would this be doable / sensible?
23:24:12	Bagder	sounds like a fine plan to me
23:24:25	linuxstb	bluebrother: What about making themes.rockbox.org just return an empty list of themes?
23:24:41	gevaerts	bluebrother: it starts, using libpng 1.2.27
23:25:01	bluebrother	linuxstb: well, that would cause the same issues we had in the past with the empty list for Ipod Video themes.
23:25:21	linuxstb	What issue? rbutil can't handle an empty list?
23:25:25	bluebrother	but rbutil can display an error message provided by the themes list script (i.e. rbutilqt.php)
23:25:36	BigBambi	Where does it tell me libpng version?
23:25:54	gevaerts	BigBambi: dpkg -l
23:26:02	bluebrother	it can handle empty lists just fine. It just displays a "no themes found"
23:26:03	BigBambi	oh, sorry
23:26:25	gevaerts	Bagder: I have a build server set up here if you want one more
23:26:27	BigBambi	I was looking for it rbutil - I thought it was meant to be reporting it :)
23:26:34	bluebrother	we could also go that way.
23:26:37	Bagder	gevaerts: oh nice, we always want more!
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23:27:29	BigBambi	bluebrother: rbutil runs fine with libpng 1.2.27-1 on kubuntu 8.10 alpha 5
23:28:13	bluebrother	anyway, the main point of the idea was to have rbutil access themes.r.o instead of the old hostname as soon as possible, and then making it not offering outdated themes :)
23:29:16	gevaerts	bluebrother: it doesn't run on etch, due to a wrong glibc version I think
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23:29:48	linuxstb	bluebrother: It seems sensible, assuming the theme metadata made available by themes.rockbox.org will be the same as rockbox-themes.org
23:31:09	bluebrother	gevaerts: can you check ldd? I'm curious if you get a similar error as in FS #9291
23:32:13	gevaerts	bluebrother: I just get "./rbutilqt: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by ./rbutilqt)", but after that ldd continues fine
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23:34:03	bluebrother	ok, thanks. Maybe I should try building on an older distro for deployment, but I don't think statically linking against even more libs makes sense. The binary would get immense.
23:34:17	*	bluebrother adds the findings to the task
23:34:50	gevaerts	That's probably the best solution, yes
23:35:22	bluebrother	can you check against 1.0.5? That was build on my old install (using F5) IIRC
23:36:09	gevaerts	Same problem
23:36:26	bluebrother	hmm :/
23:37:17	gevaerts	etch is one of the hold outs of glibc 2.3
23:38:28	*	Bagder calls for a commit!
23:39:01	*	bluebrother considers committing himself to sleep
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23:52:29	Bagder	and 19 servers there is
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23:55:16	gevaerts	ccache probably wasn't primed for sim builds yet
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