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#rockbox log for 2008-09-17

00:00:00Dosu_TivienBut, my Database didn't update.
00:00:06Dosu_TivienIt still has all the old music in there
00:00:12tal24the build is ver 15946
00:00:22Soaptal24, ok, that's quite old.
00:00:31tal24yeah iguess
00:00:32SoapHow, tal24, did you install the new version?
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00:00:50tal24but i cant upgrade it cus my computer wont recognize the usb hookup
00:01:25tal24how can i reset the sowftware?
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00:04:09SoapMenu+Select is a hardware level reset on the newer iPods. I am not sure that is the combo on the 3rd Gen.
00:04:23tal24i tried that :(
00:04:34SoapApple should have a page on how to reset all makes of iPods, and what button combo takes you to disk mode.
00:04:57SoapWhichever button combo it is, it will work unless the battery is dead or the hardware is dead. It is not a software reset, it is a hardware reset.
00:05:24Bonusbartustal: What DOES the ipod do? nothing at all, give an error?
00:05:41tal24its stuck on the open screen of the rock box
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00:05:53tal24and the computer wont recognize it as an ipod
00:05:59tal24when i hook it up with the usb
00:06:05SoapYou need to reset it and enter apple disk mode.
00:06:06amiconnSoap: The reset combo for 1st..3rd Gen is Menu+Play
00:06:17amiconn...then Left+Right for diskmode
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00:07:08tal24so how can i reset it if the menu+enter doesnt work ?
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00:07:50gevaertstal24: read what amiconn just said
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00:08:06tal24yeah im trying that
00:08:51BonusbartusCan anyone with some knowledge about the Iriver h1xx/h3xx series tell me if it is possible to write a plugin that detects a signal at the line-in ? Then when a signal is detected stop playback mode and pass it to the equaliser and to the output?
00:08:52tal24no response, still stuck on the same screen
00:10:24Bonusbartustal: do you see any text/error besides noticing that it's stuck?
00:10:35Soaptal24, how long did you hold the button combo for?
00:10:59tal24i see no error text and im pressing the combo down for a while now
00:11:05gevaertsDo the 3rd gens also require the hold-toggling?
00:11:18amiconnHold must be disabled
00:11:29Soaptoggle the hold switch to on, and then to off again, then press and hold w/o finger movement the button combo for 60 seconds.
00:11:31tal24it just says "rock box" and down under "ver. r15946-071216"
00:11:34amiconnI don't know of any necessary toggling, on any ipod, though
00:12:06amiconn15946 is way outdated and *expected* not to work properly on ipod 1st..3rd Gen
00:12:13Soapapple claims it is an important part of the process, I suspect it may be a polite way of saying "the hold switch better be off, idiot."
00:12:19gevaertsamiconn: Apple mentions it at least for the video, and I've had a case that it didn't want to reset until I did it
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00:13:23amiconnThis problem was fixed in r17192, which was back in April(!). r15946 is from last December...
00:13:58tal24u realize how long i've been without music :)
00:14:39Bonusbartuscant the ipod make a usb connection in bootloader like the irivers can?
00:14:39tal24holy **it
00:14:43tal24i think it worked
00:15:11SoapIt _must_ work unless the hardware is borked.
00:15:37tal24ok .... i saw the disk mode screen then the ipod turned off and now when i turn it back on i get the rock box screen again
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00:16:05MarcGuayDoes the X5/M5 USB mode appear any differently than the regular USB connection? i.e. Is there a way to dicern them with the PC?
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00:16:27amiconnMarcGuay: What do you mean?
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00:18:07MarcGuayCan the difference be told via any PC tools? I've been messing with the Sony NW-A which has the same processor and am curious if something could be the USB mode. But it presents itself exactly the same. I suppose there's no guarantee that they function identically but it's worth asking.
00:18:23Unhelpfulperhaps he means as in reported device ID, interfaces, endpoints?
00:18:30tal24ok i got the disk mode screen and it says "ok to dissconect"
00:18:30amiconnDifference between what?
00:18:32tal24now what ?
00:18:51MarcGuayamiconn: USB mode and a "regular" USB connection.
00:19:08amiconnThe iaudios have hardware USB, so there is no difference once the bridge is enabled
00:19:09gevaertstal24: now download rbutil ( if you don't have it already and install a recent build
00:19:18MarcGuayAssuming it has a "regular" USB connection. Gotcha.
00:19:22amiconnThere is no such thing as an "USB mode"
00:19:48tal24ok now i want to see if my computer will recognize it first :)
00:19:53*gevaerts feels ashamed about the bug amiconn fixed in r18534 :(
00:20:35amiconnIt only hit when HAVE_USB_STACK was defined
00:20:48amiconn*HAVE_USBSTACK even
00:21:59gevaertsSo basically only on the sansas
00:22:08tal24alrighty then guys thx a bunch fir the help i think i can safely reset it now
00:22:27tal24later ppl ;)
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00:23:59Bonusbartuswell.. either noone read my question or noone can answer it..
00:25:18gevaertsBonusbartus: I'm pretty sure the hardware can do it. Not sure how easy it is from a plugin though
00:25:57Bonusbartusok "the hardware can do it" means: It can be done in rockbox?
00:26:26SoapBonusbartus, the answer is po. The iPods can load a disk mode which is independent of Rockbox or the main Apple firmware, but is still a function of apple's distributed firmware and not a native feature of the hardware.
00:26:38amiconnSoap: That was another question
00:27:28gevaertsFrom what I understand you need the following : (a) monitoring line-in while something is playing (from a plugin), (b) stopping playback, and (c) sending whatever comes from line-in to the DSP
00:27:34amiconnBonusbartus: For this to work, you'd have to implement full-duplex pcm (the iriver hardware should allow this), and then have a recording monitor running in the background all the time
00:27:56*gevaerts knows how to do (b)
00:28:19Bonusbartusamiconn: can't the pcm used in wave recording be used?
00:28:55Bonusbartusgevaerts: yeah I figured b out already ;P
00:28:57amiconnBonusbartus: Not as-is. Atm rockbox doesn't have full-duplex audio, so it's either recording *or* playback
00:29:17amiconnIf stopping playback is *not* a requirement, and you just want the signal from line-in appear on the analog outputs (voice-over), you could just use the analog mixer in the UDA
00:29:53amiconnThis would obviously not work for s/pdif in and/or s/pdif out though
00:30:02Dosu_TivienHey, guys, question.
00:30:17Dosu_TivienI re-loaded the music on my RockBox-installed iPod Mini 2nd Gen.
00:30:25Dosu_TivienAnd for some reason, the database still has all the old music in it.
00:30:32Dosu_TivienCan I rebuild the database somehow?
00:30:33Bonusbartusamiconn: I was more thinking about my h340 instead of the h120 i have, I wanted 2 things actually
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00:30:48gevaertsDosu_Tivien: does this old music still play?
00:30:56Dosu_TivienI found it in settings
00:30:59Dosu_Tivien"Update Now"?
00:31:16gevaertsThat should do the trick, yes
00:31:20Dosu_TivienEr, wait...that's not doing it.
00:31:28Dosu_Tivienit says "updating in background"
00:31:34Dosu_Tivienand then that goes away...
00:31:41Dosu_TivienSo, do I have to wait like, some long amount of time?
00:32:01Bonusbartus1. using my h340 as an equaliser, 2. using the line-in of my h340 in my car to catch the audio of my phone, so I can hear it through the speakers in my car
00:33:00BonusbartusDosu_Tivien: Depends on how much music you have put on your player
00:33:18Dosu_TivienThanks, Marc.
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00:33:41Soapanyone willing / able to test if the theme downloading works on RBUtil now or not?
00:33:42Dosu_Tivienbut...I already did both of those things.
00:33:52Dosu_TivienSoap: I tested it today.
00:33:54Dosu_TivienIt doesn't work.
00:33:58Dosu_TivienI was sad.
00:34:03MarcGuayDosu_Tivien: Yeah it doesn't really answer the "how long"ness.
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00:34:10SoapI said "now", not "today" ;)
00:34:19Dosu_TivienSo, is there some way to totally wipe the DB?
00:34:20BonusbartusI'll test it if you have a few minutes
00:34:21Dosu_TivienAnd remake it?
00:34:34*amiconn is very puzzled about the Transcend MMC's behaviour
00:34:57MarcGuayDosu_Tivien: Initialize Now should start from scratch.
00:35:23Dosu_TivienThat just says "UPdating in Background"
00:35:25amiconnWith (roughly) svn, the card contents doesn't appear when cold-plugged, or after usb. When hot-plugged, it works. No other problems in rockbox caused by it
00:36:07BonusbartusSoap: what did you wanted tested exactly?
00:36:30amiconnIf I use my modified init that ensures the MMC is initialized first when present, the card works both when cold-plugged or hot-plugged, *but*
00:36:46amiconnafter USB, I get a mount panic. This makes no sense...
00:36:50Dosu_TivienMarcGuay: Where is the option for directory caching?
00:37:05Dosu_TivienI think I set it to on when I stumbled across it.
00:38:04scorcheDosu_Tivien: we have a manual for that sort of thing...
00:38:07SoapBonusbartus, can RBUtil download themes now?
00:38:19Dosu_TivienI didn't see it in the manual...
00:38:21*Dosu_Tivien rechecks.
00:38:27amiconnI would expect it to either work after usb, or not (like with svn), but no panic...
00:38:48MarcGuayDosu_Tivien: You can search the PDFs. Very handy.
00:39:00BonusbartusSoap: don't know, never used it before, but I'll test it right away
00:39:09Dosu_TivienJust noticed that
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00:42:35BonusbartusSoap: nope doesn't work, "the following error occured: Unknown Error"
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00:44:27BonusbartusSoap: or did I use an old release? where can I find the newest?
00:44:56Soapnope, error on my end, thank you.
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00:45:58tapiocapuddingHi, I've got a question
00:46:08tapiocapuddingForgive me if I sound stupid.
00:46:24tapiocapuddingIs there a way to change rockbox's boot logo for a 1G nano?
00:47:20Bonusbartusamiconn: you said when stopping playback is not a requirement... what about just pausing it?
00:47:26SoapYou will need to compile your own version from the source code, tapiocapudding, as the image is hardcoded into the binary and not loaded from an external image.
00:47:50amiconnBonusbartus: This simple solution cannot detect a signal at all
00:47:56tapiocapuddingMnkay. I take it Rockbox is written in C?
00:48:05amiconnIt simply mixes whatever comes thorugh line in with the playback signal
00:48:40tapiocapuddingOkay. I suppose now would be a good time to learn... C.
00:48:52tapiocapuddingObviously i'm not asking for help here
00:49:05BonusbartusAmiconn: but Waht would happen then when I pause playback?
00:49:18krazykityou don't really need to know C. just how to copy an image to the right place and run the compile script.
00:49:23amiconnYou would just hear what comes through line in
00:49:37Soaptapiocapudding, no C required. Download the source, set up a build environment, swap out one .bmp file, compile. Step by step instructions are on the wiki.
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00:49:44amiconnThis is a simple analog mixer, no digital processing involved at all
00:49:48SoapSo easy even a caveman could do it. And I'm living proof.
00:50:06Dosu_TivienCan I delete the DB file and remake it somehow?
00:50:14*LambdaCalculus37 takes away Dosu_Tivien's enter key
00:50:37Bonusbartusah, so no equaliser...and rockbox can't notice the level of input on the line-in...\
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00:50:46tapiocapuddingHmn. I heard there were instructions on the wiki but my browsing and searching turned up nothing. If it wouldn't be too much trouble could I get a url for the wiki page?
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00:50:59scorcheDosu_Tivien: sure...
00:51:16Dosu_TivienHow would I manage that?
00:51:21Dosu_Tivienlike, what file do I delete?
00:51:31scorcheall of the *.tcd files
00:51:35Soaptapiocapudding, Wiki. Docs Index. For Developers.
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00:51:52amiconnBonusbartus: Correct. Treble/bass should work though, as they're implemented in hardware, within the UDA1380
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00:52:50Dosu_Tivienscorche: Thanks.
00:53:33Bonusbartusaiconn: thanks, so no easy equaliser, but this could be enough for the line-in fto be connected to my phone in my car
00:54:16Bonusbartusamiconn: I guess it would be pretty hard to code the full duplex pcm? as it isn't done by anyone yet...
00:54:37amiconnDosu_Tivien: It should never be necessary to delete the DB files. If 'Update now' doesn't work properly for some reason, 'Initialize now' does a full rebuild
00:55:01Dosu_Tivienbut update now just makes it background update
00:55:03gevaertsBonusbartus: possibly it's just that nobody has been motivated enough yet
00:55:03amiconnBonusbartus: I have no idea. Iirc jhMikeS and preglow did some experiments in that direction
00:55:11Dosu_TivienI want my database rebuilt ASAP
00:55:20amiconnIt's simply unnecessary for normal use
00:55:48scorcheDosu_Tivien: patience...
00:56:08Bonusbartusamiconn: yeah I read a thread on the forum about using the h120 for guitar effects or something like that.. but didn't find anything I could use
00:56:21pixelmaDosu_Tivien: the update in the background still does a full rebuild, the only thing this means is that you can continue using Rockbox (e.g. listening music etc.)
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00:58:11Dosu_TivienBut I took out MOST of the music
00:58:16Dosu_Tivienso I just rebuilt
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00:58:18pixelmato clarify - I mean when it states "Updating in the background" or the like after chosing "Initialize now"
00:59:53Dosu_TivienBut how long does that normally take?
01:00:01Bonusbartuswouldn't the player also rebuild after a restart?
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04:07:42MarcGuayAnyone care to help a linux beginner install some software? Using the RB VMware image, trying to install Cmake to compile the ZenUtils.
04:08:18MarcGuayGotten as far as downloading it and extracting it to the virtual drive.
04:09:07MarcGuayApparently there are pre-built binaries in the directories but they don't react to commands - seems as though further installation is required.
04:09:37Unhelpful"don't react"?
04:09:39scorche|shdont react to commands?...what do you mean?
04:10:01MarcGuayAren't acting as executables. Hmm, aren't defined as such either.
04:10:12scorche|shchmod +x ?
04:10:35MarcGuaySeems strange that I would have to do that, no? Ah shit, maybe windows redefined them...
04:10:39Unhelpfulcan you tell us exactly what you type, and exactly what happens?
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04:13:37MarcGuayI've downloaded the version for Linux i386, so far so good?
04:14:08JetonDisable OF database refresh doesn't work for Sansa e250 anymore? Or i'm using an old version of sansapatcher?
04:14:50MarcGuayJeton: I think it only works with cetain OF versions. Some info in the SansaFAQ.
04:16:07JetonIt used to work on my Sansa, and I haven't updated the OF ever since.
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04:17:45MarcGuayJeton: But you reinstalled the bootloader? Did you follow the extra instructions on that page?
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04:19:35MarcGuayUnhelpful: If you're still willing to defy your alias, I am typing "cmake -g "Unix Makefiles" .." and the response is "bash: cmake: command not found".
04:19:49JetonI did follow the instructions. However i noticed one thing right now. After i removed the MicroSD it's working again.
04:20:57advcomp2019Jeton, that is a normal issue i think
04:21:22MarcGuayUnhelpful: Then I tried giving the direct path to the /bin/cmake file "../../../cmake/bin/cmake -g etc" with the same result. I know little about Unix but it seems as though I have to "install" the command/software somewhere. Yar.
04:21:58Jetonadvcomp2019: I think you're right.
04:22:31Unhelpfuland the second time it was *cmake* that it said was not found? i'm really not sure, then.
04:24:45MarcGuayUnhelpful: Meh, it worked. Had to re-set the executable flag and I had forgotten the all-important ".." when I gave it the direct path. Thanks for listening... :)
04:25:01JetonMaybe someone could add the infor on about it. I'll see if i can add it tomorrow myself. Good night. :)
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04:26:45Unhelpfulrelative paths are dangerous... especially when they're not below the CWD
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04:39:43GigabeatS30UserI was curious if I could find some help with my Gigabeat in here?
04:40:36MarcGuayIf it has something to do with rockbox, yes. Otherwise you could try #rockbox-community
04:41:06GigabeatS30UserOkay...I'll try the other one then. I am thinking of using Rockbox but I am not sure if I should.
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07:15:17cool_walking_GigabeatSInstallation says under Bootloader installation (dual-boot version): "[To be completed - there is currently no source for the required original firmware =nk.bin=]", but there is a (unofficial) source which is linked from GigabeatSInfo. Should the GigabeatSInfo link be removed, or GigabeatSInstallation updated?
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09:09:04markunsorry, wrong channel
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09:40:59JdGordonBigBambi: being able to delete resume points in a bmark file... not really an important feature?
09:41:22BigBambiI've never used it, but I can't speak for others
09:41:40JdGordoni might just leave that out.. its going to be painful to implement
09:59:19*JdGordon is confused by some of the playlist resume code
09:59:49JdGordonwhy is the random seed being set from global_status.resume_seed instead of the .playlist_control file (where it shuold be set anyway?)
10:01:32LinusNJdGordon: it could be that the resume_seed is a lot older than the .playlist_control concept
10:01:54JdGordonthat sounds likely
10:02:24LinusNalso, the resume information was previously stored in the hidden sector
10:03:02JdGordonyeah, with the rest of global_settings (before they were moved out to global_Status)... but I tihnk both should be moved back into the playlist control file
10:03:17JdGordonsvn reverts and fiddles to check this out
10:03:21JdGordon+ /me
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10:08:04JdGordonshould changing "shuffle" on the quickscreen reshuffle the current playlist?>
10:10:38JdGordonyes, and it does
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10:20:19JdGordonamiconn: like the idea of reclaiming 4 bytes of nvram?
10:20:57JdGordon+ another 12 if the rest of the resume info is moved to where it should be
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10:22:13DieselHopperIs there anyway I can load the iTunes firmware on my iPod with Rockbox being on there, other than hooking it up to my computer and loading iTunes?
10:22:23DieselHopperSome button combination on the iPod?
10:22:41JdGordonhold menu when booting iirc
10:23:05JdGordonif i recall correctlly
10:23:12DieselHopperoh okay
10:23:16DieselHopperI'll try that
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10:29:25JdGordonguys, please test FS #9408... dont want to commit it without proper testing (Which we all know i fail at)
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10:44:59markungevaerts: what do the "possibly 0x74" and "possibly 0x77" comments in lcd-m6sl.c mean?
10:46:35gevaertsmarkun: that I don't understand from the datasheet what the ID bit means
10:46:41gevaertsBoth seem to work
10:51:01markungevaerts: I don't understand the datasheet either
10:51:30markun"The ID pin can determine the LSB of the identification code."
10:53:30markungevaerts: "When a SPI mode is selected, the IM0 pin is used as ID setting bit for a device code."
10:53:55markunthat doesn't explain why both values should work
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10:58:20gevaertsmarkun: indeed not. More work for tonight :)
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11:21:18markungevaerts: I can't find any references to 0x3C1000?? addresses in M6SL-2.004.6.ebn
11:22:22gevaertsmarkun: try 0x39200000. It's the other one (chapter 27)
11:22:43markunah yes, thanks
11:25:27markungevaerts: there are a few references to 0x3C100000 in the M3 firmware..
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14:34:53JdGordonLambdaCalculus37: player doesnt matter, every target will be affected
14:35:16JdGordonhopefully there wont be any noticable change but im not commitnig this fix (green delta) without proper testing
14:35:47LambdaCalculus37JdGordon: I'll try it on my Jukebox Recorder.
14:36:17JdGordonjust need to create a playlist and stop it, then make sure when you retsrat it that its still in the same order
14:36:33JdGordonshuffled and not, and db playlist, random files and dirplay
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14:37:00JdGordonmy testing showed it to work, but i really cant be bothered with commiting 3 fix commits incase it doesnt :p
14:38:49LambdaCalculus37JdGordon: Did you try it on the hardware itself?
14:39:15JdGordonno, sim only, its not target code at all so shouldnt make a difference
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15:21:04GodEatergevaerts: a much belated thank you :)
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16:35:47jgsprengerhello, folks
16:37:46jgsprengercouple of weeks ago, i had noticed some of my WMA (all of my WMA?) files no longer decode properly on my E280...I IRCed some folks here, and rolled back the build... but I'm wondering if its been corrected in recent builds?
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16:41:59saratogajgsprenger: what was your issue ?
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16:44:57onehey guys! could anyone help me? i am now installing cygwin to compile from rocbox. but installer givse an error egarding missing .sig file. i am using this guide . so i cand understand what do this mean supply the -X (−−no-verify) command-line flag when using Cygwin's setup.exe
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16:55:18markunone: I don't know anything about cygwin. I hope someone else can help.
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16:57:56LambdaCalculus37one: Click Start > Run, and type "X:\%pathtocygwinsetup%\setup.exe -X" (replace X: with the drive letter and %pathtocygwinsetup% with the folder name of where you saved setup.exe)
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17:12:37oneLambdaCalculus37 thanks, it doesnt show the error but it doesnt show rockbox packedges, it shows standard packdges
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17:15:28LambdaCalculus37Did you add the mirror for the Rockbox packages? It's on the wiki page.
17:16:46one this?
17:17:43LambdaCalculus37Add that mirror, then download everything on it.
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17:18:31kugelNico_P: Hey, the pf bug is still present isn't it?
17:18:52Nico_Pkugel: I didn't have much time to deal with it
17:19:04Nico_Pwhen I tried to reproduce it I couldn't
17:19:19kugelIt's a one-line fix though
17:19:33kugelI could reproduce it, with showing fps disabled
17:19:45Nico_PI didn't have that enabled
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17:20:48markunkugel, Nico_P: what's pf?
17:21:20kugelNico_P: have you tried turning fps on, then view a tracklist, then turning fps off again and then view a tracklist? I certainly had this after deactivating fps
17:21:40Nico_Pkugel: here is the patch scotty sent me:
17:22:19kugelI guess that should work, but just initializing titletxt_y with a value should do it too
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17:25:06Nico_Pkugel: do you know scotty's real name?
17:25:16kugelNo, sorry
17:25:41kugelFlyspray says Thomas Schott
17:26:00Nico_PI guess that's it then... I think I'll commit his patch
17:26:41LambdaCalculus37Another name in lights. ;)
17:27:20oneLambdaCalculus37 yes now i have installed it. but when i am triying to get thesvn source it failes and writes bash: svn: command not found
17:27:35LambdaCalculus37one: Did you install the svn packages?
17:29:27LambdaCalculus37All of the packages from Step 2.1 on
17:38:05oneLambdaCalculus37 it seemed to me that i have installed them. the process was vry fadt. now i choode another mirror and the packedges are installing. very slowly. as there ar alot of files
17:38:18onehope that that is the write way =)
17:38:54LambdaCalculus37As long as you follow the instructions on Step 2.1 on that wiki page, you should be good to go.
17:41:04oneand what about this step Step 3: Select the Rockbox mirror site and install ?
17:42:39LambdaCalculus37You did that earlier, I believe.
17:43:20oneLambdaCalculus37 yes ofcourse =)
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17:55:19jgsprenger@saratoga... sorry was afk.... the WMA files played slow
17:57:22saratogajgsprenger: you said theres a build where this doesn't happen?
17:57:39jgsprengerprior to aug 20ish
17:58:21saratogahow much prior to then?
17:59:01jgsprengerafter aug 20 or 21 the WMAs play slow
17:59:38jgsprengerthere was a codec (patch ?) consolidation for AAC, OOG and WMA i think that broke it
18:02:21saratogathat was commited on Sep 4
18:02:45saratogathe previous WMA commit was on August 10
18:03:03saratogawas it either of these?
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18:07:30jgsprengernot sure
18:08:02jgsprengerbut i have some WMA that have had the DRM stripped...wondering if its that now
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18:51:02derpderpderpHow can I stop the settings from getting cleared when I boot with the hold button on?
18:51:20BigBambiWas it 9407 or 9408 that JdGordon|zzz wanted testing in particular?
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18:57:30markunderpderpderp: I don't think it's possible other than changing the code
18:58:41markunderpderpderp: I was told that the hold 'button' is the only button which can be read reliably at boot on the ipods. Do you have an ipod?
18:58:51fred_2could someone pls tell me a recent mp3-player (that i'm able to buy now) that runs rockbox ?
18:59:00derpderpderpI guess I meant switch
18:59:32derpderpderpIt's easy to forget to turn hold off when you plug in.
18:59:49J-23fred_2: iPod Classic/Video?
18:59:55markunnone of them are recent
19:00:01markunJ-23: rockbox doesn't run on the classic
19:00:07LambdaCalculus37J-23: No, not iPod Classic/Video... iPod *video*.
19:00:30LambdaCalculus37Don't confuse people.
19:00:35fred_2your link doesnt work for me markun :(
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19:01:07J-23LambdaCalculus37: I meaned "iPod Classic or iPod Video"
19:01:30fred_2my problem is that i already looked for a lot of models which are mentiond on the page - but no luck getting a new one
19:01:50LambdaCalculus37J-23: But don't write it as "Classic/Video", because some people will think "Oh, I can buy an iPod right now and it'll work!", then bitch later when it doesn't.
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19:03:35fred_2i would kill for having replaygain-support on a mp3-player
19:03:56LambdaCalculus37fred_2: You'll have to go onto eBay to get a supported player.
19:04:06LambdaCalculus37That's what many of us have done.
19:04:06markunfred_2: we're working on several ports right now
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19:04:49fred_2nice to hear that
19:05:24fred_2is there a special place in the forums for this ?
19:05:32derpderpderpIs car adapter mode working in the current iPod video build? Mine keeps rebooting whenever I plug it in
19:06:00fred_2perhaps 'new ports' ?
19:06:05LambdaCalculus37fred_2: Just curious... are you located in the USA? If so, here's a player you can buy:
19:06:32LambdaCalculus37fred_2: The "new ports" section is for technical discussion of getting a port up and running.
19:07:00markunfred_2: also the "New Ports" section here
19:08:55fred_2no LambdaCalculus37 - germany
19:10:54fred_2buy it for me and send it :)
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19:17:32LambdaCalculus37fred_2: Sure, let me prep the instant matter teleporter while I'm at it. ;)
19:17:48fred_2great - thank you
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19:19:09amiconnJdGordon|zzz: There are several reasons why the resume position should stay in nvram and not be part of .playlist_control
19:19:10Dilzocan i install rockbox on a 6th gen ipod classic?
19:19:53Dilzocan i install rockbox on a gth gen i pod clasic?
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19:20:09dionoeaasking twice won't change the answer
19:20:26Dilzois anybody working on a build yet?
19:20:34Dilzowhoops soz
19:20:49amiconn(1) nvram is binary, .playlist_control is text. Since the resume position is updated very often (once per second iirc), this is unnecessary conversion overhead
19:21:15Dilzoi didnt mean to ask twice i thought the irc didnt send the message
19:21:17amiconn(2) If something goes wrong while updating, you'd lose both the position *and* the list
19:21:37dionoeaDilzo: hehe ;)
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19:22:04amiconnAnd on targets with true nvram, actually using this nvram for the resume position has several advantages:
19:22:59amiconn(3) Using nvram means that the playback code won't register an idle callback for the next spinup. This saves some power, because the extra write operation (in the callback) is avoided
19:23:40amiconn(4) It also ensures an up-to-date resume position if the target shuts down due to low bat while playing
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19:24:33amiconnFor bookmarks, those reasons don't apply, of course
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19:45:01amiconnThis Transcend MMC is weird: it doesn't get confused by the communication it "sees" while not selected, but rather it refuses to switch to SPI mode if it saw any communication which is valid in MMC mode while not selected (hence interpreting it as MMC mode traffic)
19:46:07amiconnIt is the CMD0 sent to the internal flash that makes it not work in SVN when cold-plugged (because that CMD0 is the only command that is required to have a valid CRC-7)
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19:48:02amiconnThis is a clear violation of the MMC specs, which say that CMD0 is valid at all times, and CMD0 with /CS asserted switches the card to SPI mode. Hence, switching to SPI mode should be possible at any time
19:48:25amiconn(and switching back is impossible for real MMCs without power cycling)
19:49:21amiconnSo the conclusion is that this is unfixable in rockbox, but we should show the "Please remove..." splash when such a card is found
19:51:05*gevaerts looks for Transcend's bug tracker
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19:52:31amiconnWhen I deliberately send a CMD0 with the MMC's /CS deasserted, the card won't work even when hot-plugged. When I send another command, or a CMD0 with a wrong CRC-7, it does work
19:52:49amiconnOther MMCs do work under the same conditions
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20:07:59J-23hmm, I see last days there are some changes in USB code. Are they just changes in USB identification (device type) and charging?
20:08:40gevaertsJ-23: what changes?
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20:11:26J-23changes to firmware/usb.c and to firmware/usbstack/*
20:12:29gevaertsJ-23: have you read the svn log for those?
20:12:39J-23hmm, yes.
20:12:47J-23but after asking :/
20:18:38markungevaerts: should we base the m3 LCD driver on the m6sl? as far as I know there is only 1 LCD driver IC used in all models, but Meizu could change that in future.
20:19:22gevaertsmarkun: I think it's best to only ad complexity if and when we need it
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20:22:01*J-23 can't wait for his new e280, but it can be v2 :/
20:24:55Jabonei have e260 v2 so at this point there's no way running rockbox on it
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20:29:12markungevaerts: do you think we can eventually use just 1 bootloader/meizu.c file for all 3 (4?) targets?
20:30:29gevaertsmarkun: That should be possible I think. They are not the same, but neither are the ipods, or the other portalplayer targets
20:33:26gevaertsmarkun: similarly, shouldn't we rename firmware/target/arm/s5l8700/meizu-m6sl to meizu-m6?
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20:34:03markungevaerts: I don't know. Can't we just put the shared files in firmware/target/arm/s5l8700/ ?
20:34:22gevaertsmaybe. Maybe some also need to go to firmware/drivers
20:34:43markunI created a meizu-m6sl and meizu-m3 folder as well
20:35:04gevaertsok. I'll see them when you commit
20:35:20markungevaerts: in case you want to do something easy tonight, maybe you could do the qt411 driver ;)
20:35:58gevaertsmarkun: we could let someone from meizume do that one :)
20:36:34gevaertsbut yes, that should be pretty easy
20:36:37markunand I think I'll add separate files in /bootloader for now. When all the testing is over we can merge them again.
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20:55:30*gevaerts is confused
20:58:11mcuelenaerebughunter2: have you seen the (possible) LCD IC driver update for the Zen V?
21:03:48 Quit setkeh ("bedtime")
21:05:41bughunter2mcuelenaere: no, i'm really busy these days :(
21:07:45bughunter2mcuelenaere: is the Zen V already bootable etc.?
21:07:59mcuelenaerenope, nothing yet
21:08:01bughunter2what is done on it? (probably on the wiki?)
21:08:04bughunter2i see
21:08:08mcuelenaereyep, the wiki
21:08:13mcuelenaereno owners have done anything
21:08:25bughunter2then how can we be sure an LCD driver works?
21:08:32mcuelenaerewe aren't
21:08:35mcuelenaereit's just a hint
21:08:42mcuelenaerebut at least we're pretty sure we know which one it is
21:09:03mcuelenaerenow we can start looking in the OF for the init routine
21:09:06mcuelenaereor try making your own
21:09:13mcuelenaerebut then you're missing the backlight
21:09:17mcuelenaereetc etc
21:11:24bughunter2oh i see :)
21:11:36bughunter2mcuelenaere: OF ? output file?
21:13:22n1sOriginal Firmware
21:14:00bughunter2i see, sorry i'm not that much home into this yet :(
21:14:23J-23ahh, how many things changed in ~1,5 year of Rockbox development...
21:15:25bughunter2J-23: ?
21:15:58J-23e.g. plugins were categorized
21:16:11J-23it's not a major change, but...
21:17:14n1sJ-23: we have a MajorChanges wiki page and there's always the svn changelogs if you want details
21:17:56J-23yes, I know.
21:18:09J-23I read sometimes
21:18:18BigBambiThen what is your point?
21:18:44J-23BigBambi: nothing, I'm just spamming and generating needless network traffic.
21:18:52BigBambiThen please do not
21:19:09BigBambiGo and read the channel guidelines - this is a logged development and support channel only
21:19:19J-23Is is possible to download Pacman ROMs? (are they legally protected?)
21:19:25BigBambiNo, you cannot
21:19:35LambdaCalculus37J-23: Get an arcade board and get them yourself.
21:19:41BigBambiYou need to dump them from your arcade cabinet
21:19:47bughunter2J-23: code one yourself
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21:20:43mcuelenaerebughunter2: oh sorry, yes I meant Original Firmware as in the Creative one
21:20:52bughunter2mcuelenaere: yeah i see now :)
21:21:03bughunter2i'm just less busy with this than you, i feel a bit dumb
21:21:06bughunter2for not knowing the abbrevs
21:21:14bughunter2even though theres a page for it like amiconn said
21:21:21mcuelenaereI'm not at all busy with the Zen V
21:21:40mcuelenaereit's just, whenever something happens with the Zen's; I'll be around ;)
21:22:24bughunter2mcuelenaere: :)
21:22:40mcuelenaeredon't worry about the abbrevs, there aren't a lot and they aren't really important :)
21:22:50mcuelenaereif you don't know them, just ask
21:24:00bluebrotherthere's also an IRC lingo wiki page
21:24:02mcuelenaereit's just that you're the only one being closest to a 'Zen V'-developer, that's why I asked
21:24:28bughunter2mcuelenaere: yeah i see, well i seriously want to continue on it someitme
21:24:33bughunter2but i'm so busy with school and life in general
21:24:41mcuelenaereyeah, I understand
21:25:03mcuelenaereat least I think there's someone else working on an other Zen flash target
21:25:11mcuelenaereand on a similar SoC
21:25:23mcuelenaereactually, it's the newer version of the one the Zen V uses
21:25:42mcuelenaerethe Sigmatel 37xx if I remember correctly
21:26:45J-23Why in UI Simulator up/down keys aren't up/down keys (e200)?
21:27:27rasherJ-23: what's up on the e200?
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21:38:41linuxstbrasher: The wheel, which we can't map sensibly on a keyboard...
21:38:49amiconnHmm, the list code is buggy.
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21:40:01amiconnWhen scrolling up & down near the start or end of the list, it's relatively easy to confuse and make it wrap *in the wrong direction
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21:40:53amiconnOr rather, not in the wrong direction, but there's a 1-line zone at the beginning and end where it reacts in an unexpected way
21:41:35amiconnThis seems to apply to read-only lists only
21:43:04amiconnHmm. It's not even such a zone, it's weird all over (if the list is long enough)
21:43:08*amiconn summons JdGordon|zzz
21:43:25*bughunter2 resurrects
21:43:27bughunter2ah wait wrong person
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21:58:43*mcuelenaere wonders why button_get() is so laggy compared button_read_device()..
22:05:22amiconnbutton_get() reads from the queue
22:05:47mcuelenaereyes, but it misses button events
22:05:54mcuelenaereand for touchscreen it's even worse
22:06:08amiconnI guess this is on Onda....
22:06:14mcuelenaereyep :)
22:06:27amiconnYou probably need an interrupt driven button driver
22:06:49mcuelenaerethe touchscreen is interrupt driven, buttons not
22:07:11amiconnHmm, ordinary buttons shouldn't get lost even with timer-based polling
22:07:18mcuelenaerebut even it is, how should I inform button_tick() for new buttons?
22:07:33amiconnIt'd be quit ehard for a human to press/release a button faster than 100 times a second...
22:07:42mcuelenaerethey don't really get lost, it's just like they go on/off
22:08:26mcuelenaereso probably this is due to ticks aren't fast enough?
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22:08:47amiconnTesting you rtick timer should be easy
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22:09:29amiconnJust output current_tick in a loop on lcd, and watch it versus an external watch/clock
22:09:40mcuelenaereit increases +100 every second
22:09:48amiconnThen it's ok
22:10:16amiconnBtw, an interrupt driven button driver would just set a button status register in the isr which the button tick then just reads
22:10:18mcuelenaereperhaps a bit longer than a second
22:10:33mcuelenaereah, that's how touchscreen handling is currently implemented
22:10:35amiconnThe ipod button drivers do this
22:11:03amiconn...probably other gpio based button drivers on PP as well
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22:12:29mcuelenaereand why is checking GPIO directly not good enough?
22:12:33mcuelenaereis it too slow?
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22:13:13amiconnIt would work, but using an isr is better. Then there's less to do in the tick
22:13:28mcuelenaerehmm ok
22:13:44amiconnThe tick runs 100 times per second, versus the isr only runs whenever a button is pressed or released
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22:14:28amiconnFor a wheel, using interrupts is a requirement, because the wheel phase can easily change more often than 100 times per second
22:15:10amiconnIf you'd handle this with polling, the wheel starts behaving erratically when exceeding that limit (G1...G3 wheel driver used to do back then)
22:15:55*amiconn wonders how the sd driver handles the crad timeouts....
22:16:54*amiconn would like to unify the structs used by the MMC and SD driver as much as possible, get rid of the rockbox coding guideline violations there, and also get rid of TARGET_TREE
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22:57:50mib_vkpdptI'm wondering which is the newest player that is fully supported by Rockbox? It seems like most of them are rather old
22:58:13mib_vkpdptMy gigabeat f20 is getting a bit old and fragile, with parts (literally) falling off, as well as frequent crashes.
22:58:34advcomp2019mib_vkpdpt, most of them are out of date
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23:00:12advcomp2019mib_vkpdpt, there are new ports that have issues still
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23:03:33mib_vkpdptadvcomp2019: Of the new ports, do any have considerable storage space?
23:03:40mib_vkpdptLike 16gb or more?
23:03:53mib_vkpdptI don't want a 4gb fixed storage player..
23:04:05mib_vkpdptalso, one with a decent screen for watching videos
23:04:17mcuelenaereamiconn: changing to an interrupt driven button driver doesn't change a thing, it even worsen things (because the interrupts only occur when the button is pressed, not when released)
23:04:57gevaertsmib_vkpdpt: the cowon D2 seems to match those requirements.
23:05:03advcomp2019mib_vkpdpt, i think the d2 too
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23:05:38gevaertsThe gigabeat S too, but I think you get the same availability issues as with the ports that are already done
23:05:50BigBambimib_vkpdpt: lists the various players, but none are any longer in production. Be careful about ports in progress - there is no guarantee that any will be finished (although some are much more likely than others)
23:06:00*gevaerts still recommends the gigabeat F
23:06:28*BigBambi recommends the F for just playback, and the iriver H100 for recording
23:06:35mib_vkpdptgevaerts: I already got an F20
23:06:48gevaertsmib_vkpdpt: sure, but you say it's falling apart...
23:06:54BigBambimib_vkpdpt: I'd get another one
23:07:12BigBambiThey are dead cheap on ebay when they appear, run rockbox very well, etc. etc.
23:07:15mib_vkpdptI'd only be able to find a second hand one
23:07:25mib_vkpdptI bought this one on ebay
23:07:40BigBambiThere are no current ports in production
23:07:43mib_vkpdptIt was bricked when I got it, had to unplug the hard drive then install rockbox via bootloader usb mode to get it working
23:07:50BigBambiThat isn't bricked then
23:07:59mib_vkpdptWell, it wasn't working at least
23:08:16mib_vkpdptAnd it was already scratched up and fragile
23:08:39gevaertsBoth my Fs come from ebay, and both are in good condition
23:08:45BigBambiMine was too
23:08:54mib_vkpdptDon't get me wrong, it works
23:09:11mib_vkpdptIt just looks ugly, tends to crash from time to time, and the top and bottom plates tend to fall off
23:09:26mib_vkpdpt(The ones covering the screws next to the USB port, the minijack etc)
23:09:32BigBambiRegardless, you are welcome to take a punt on a non-completed port but as I say they may never be completed, or not for a long time
23:09:41*bluebrother is just looking after an F on ebay ...
23:09:50mib_vkpdptCowon D2 looks great
23:10:05mib_vkpdptTouchscreen.. does that work on Rockbox?
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23:10:35mcuelenaereI think most screens are covered
23:10:35gevaertsmib_vkpdpt: with the D2 the main remaining problem is flash storage
23:10:40BigBambimib_vkpdpt: I remind you that the D2 port is not done/ready/finished etc
23:10:46mib_vkpdptWhat is wrong with the flash storage?
23:10:54BigBambiIt doesn't work?
23:11:01mib_vkpdptWould it be possible to use memory cards instead of the main storage, then?
23:11:14gevaertsIt works after a fashion. No write support, and read support is dodgy
23:11:29*BigBambi classes that as not working from a user point of view
23:11:30gevaertsSD cards could be a solution, but that doesn't work yet either
23:11:33mib_vkpdptIs anyone actively working on finishing the port?
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23:11:51BigBambiyes, but there is no telling how quickly or slowly that may happen
23:12:12mib_vkpdptIs the D2 still in production?
23:12:20gevaertsAs far as I know, yes
23:12:58*gevaerts checks
23:13:00mib_vkpdptHoly crap
23:13:02gevaertsStill available new
23:13:04mib_vkpdptThe thing plays FLAC
23:13:21mib_vkpdptFLAC support is my main reason for using Rockbox
23:13:22BigBambiAll rockbox players play FLAC....
23:13:28mib_vkpdptNo, I mean, by default
23:13:33mib_vkpdptWith the default OS
23:13:38BigBambiI know what you meant, but this is #rockbox
23:13:46BigBambiThe OF is irrelevant
23:14:07mib_vkpdptOS* ?
23:14:18BigBambiOriginal Firmware
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23:15:16mib_vkpdptI think I might buy it, and just use the OF until the Rockbox port is complete
23:15:57mib_vkpdptFLAC support is, as I said before, my main reason for using Rockbox
23:16:20*BigBambi points out the old Archos players don't play FLAC before someone pedantic corrects him
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23:18:29bluebrotherdid someone test the latest rbutil binary on a non-F8 distro?
23:18:43*pixelma is reminded of GodEater's forum post of today and still is unsure whether to correct or not
23:18:57BigBambibluebrother: non-F8?
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23:18:59gevaertsbluebrother: I can do that right now. What do you need tested?
23:19:12bluebrotherBigBambi: non-Fedora8
23:19:14mib_vkpdptWhat size SD cards can be used on the D2?
23:19:19mib_vkpdptI know some devices have limitations
23:19:27gevaertsmib_vkpdpt: sdhc, so all of them
23:19:28bluebrothergevaerts: just check if it starts up, and possibly check the version of libpng.
23:19:30BigBambibluebrother: aha - I can if you like
23:19:39bluebrotherBigBambi: please do so
23:19:44gevaertsbluebrother: the binary from the website?
23:19:46BigBambiIs it a specific one, or shall I build SVN?
23:19:53bluebrothergevaerts: yep
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23:20:20mib_vkpdptgevaerts: Awesome, so I can just buy the 2GB version, and get a bigass SD card
23:20:29bluebrotherBigBambi: please try the binary from the website. I'm currently looking at FS #9291, and there seems to be something strange. Unfortunately that guy always uses older distros
23:21:02bluebrothermib_vkpdpt: bigass SD card won't work, you need microSD ...
23:21:21mib_vkpdptWhat do you mean? I was thinking of getting like a 16GB SD card...
23:21:22Bagderbluebrother: not in the D2
23:21:47bluebrotherthe D2 uses full size SD cards?
23:21:47*Bagder oopses... I'm not really here yet =)
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23:23:29bluebrotherBagder: I was a bit cut from the recent discussions the last few days, but is a bit problematic. There was the idea to set up and make that return always a configuration file for rbutil that displays an error
23:23:56bluebrotherand then release an updated rbutil for 3.0. Would this be doable / sensible?
23:24:12Bagdersounds like a fine plan to me
23:24:25linuxstbbluebrother: What about making just return an empty list of themes?
23:24:41gevaertsbluebrother: it starts, using libpng 1.2.27
23:25:01bluebrotherlinuxstb: well, that would cause the same issues we had in the past with the empty list for Ipod Video themes.
23:25:21linuxstbWhat issue? rbutil can't handle an empty list?
23:25:25bluebrotherbut rbutil can display an error message provided by the themes list script (i.e. rbutilqt.php)
23:25:36BigBambiWhere does it tell me libpng version?
23:25:54gevaertsBigBambi: dpkg -l
23:26:02bluebrotherit can handle empty lists just fine. It just displays a "no themes found"
23:26:03BigBambioh, sorry
23:26:25gevaertsBagder: I have a build server set up here if you want one more
23:26:27BigBambiI was looking for it rbutil - I thought it was meant to be reporting it :)
23:26:34bluebrotherwe could also go that way.
23:26:37Bagdergevaerts: oh nice, we always want more!
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23:27:29BigBambibluebrother: rbutil runs fine with libpng 1.2.27-1 on kubuntu 8.10 alpha 5
23:28:13bluebrotheranyway, the main point of the idea was to have rbutil access themes.r.o instead of the old hostname as soon as possible, and then making it not offering outdated themes :)
23:29:16gevaertsbluebrother: it doesn't run on etch, due to a wrong glibc version I think
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23:29:48linuxstbbluebrother: It seems sensible, assuming the theme metadata made available by will be the same as
23:31:09bluebrothergevaerts: can you check ldd? I'm curious if you get a similar error as in FS #9291
23:32:13gevaertsbluebrother: I just get "./rbutilqt: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/ version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by ./rbutilqt)", but after that ldd continues fine
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23:34:03bluebrotherok, thanks. Maybe I should try building on an older distro for deployment, but I don't think statically linking against even more libs makes sense. The binary would get immense.
23:34:17*bluebrother adds the findings to the task
23:34:50gevaertsThat's probably the best solution, yes
23:35:22bluebrothercan you check against 1.0.5? That was build on my old install (using F5) IIRC
23:36:09gevaertsSame problem
23:36:26bluebrotherhmm :/
23:37:17gevaertsetch is one of the hold outs of glibc 2.3
23:38:28*Bagder calls for a commit!
23:39:01*bluebrother considers committing himself to sleep
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23:49:11 Quit BigBambi (Nick collision from services.)
23:49:11 Join massiveH [0] (
23:49:17 Nick BigBambi_ is now known as BigBambi (n=Alex@rockbox/staff/BigBambi)
23:52:29Bagderand 19 servers there is
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23:54:45*gevaerts thinks
23:55:16gevaertsccache probably wasn't primed for sim builds yet
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