#rockbox 2008-09-18

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#rockbox log for 2008-09-18

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00:07:00	MarcGuay	Could someone who can read Chinese or perhaps decipher google's translation tell me what a "brush tool" might be?
00:08:18	MarcGuay	Here's the link: http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fbbs.mydigit.cn%2Fread.php%3Ftid%3D28763&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=zh-CN&tl=en
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00:20:48	dionoea	MarcGuay: babelfish has a slightly different translation ... but it's still about brushes ;)
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00:22:24	mcuelenaere	MarcGuay: http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http://bbs.mydigit.cn/register.php ?
00:25:07	mcuelenaere	MarcGuay: I'm downloading the files now..
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00:28:04	*	gevaerts bets that it will turn out to be either a tutorial on how to keep your STMP3650 nice and clean, or software to help edit photos of it
00:28:23	mcuelenaere	nope, doesn't seem to be
00:28:33	mcuelenaere	it's like they have a generic USB upgrade mode
00:28:48	mcuelenaere	SigmaTel Firmware Download
00:29:00	mcuelenaere	try a search on STMP on that site
00:29:02	mcuelenaere	there's more
00:29:54	gevaerts	So brush mean download?
00:30:04	mcuelenaere	I don't know
00:30:16	mcuelenaere	chinese translations are most of the time (very) weird
00:30:26	mcuelenaere	they say they burn firmwares on their devices
00:31:17	gevaerts	And after that they have to brush off the soot?
00:31:29	mcuelenaere	:)
00:33:00	pixelma	maybe they mean to brush up or enhance something?
00:33:06	mcuelenaere	this seems to be interesting: Apple and Apple ipod circuit board map (STMP3410)
00:33:10	mcuelenaere	it contains 2 PDF'es
00:33:43	gevaerts	Any compilers?
00:34:00	mcuelenaere	hmm, aren't most of the STMP* chips ARM?
00:34:19	*	gevaerts doesn't know now...
00:34:49	mcuelenaere	I think so, at least the ones I saw
00:36:00	gevaerts	STMP3410 is dsp
00:36:27	mcuelenaere	ah ok
00:36:42	mcuelenaere	too bad they don't have any SDK source code :/
00:36:56	gevaerts	Not that useful
00:37:13	gevaerts	We need a free compiler first
00:37:24	mcuelenaere	for the 34xx perhaps
00:37:38	mcuelenaere	but not for 36xx and 37xx
00:37:44	*	gevaerts is too sleepy to follow quick context changes :)
00:37:48	mcuelenaere	:)
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00:39:13	mcuelenaere	most of it seems to be either schematics of unknown players or help for fixing them
00:39:20	mcuelenaere	users asking help for*
00:40:41	mcuelenaere	hmm a STMP35XX Reference Schematics is available
00:40:53	mcuelenaere	and it contains a .DSN file :/
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00:44:40	mcuelenaere	hmm stmp36xx seems to have an USB boot mode switch
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00:50:02	pelleux	Heyal all
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00:54:19	pelleux	When installing rockbox for this first time, do you need to nuke the existing ipod filesystem, or do you put the .rockbox directory in the partition2 of the ipod, or what?
00:54:35	pelleux	THe installation instructions are a little unclear in this regard.
00:54:52	dionoea	if you have a winpod (fat partition), you don't need to kill anything
00:55:00	pelleux	Linux here.
00:55:11	dionoea	on the ipod?
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00:55:24	pelleux	no,no.. sorry.. fat32 FS
00:55:35	toffe82	mcuelenaere: try this one for the translation http://www.windowslivetranslator.com/BV.aspx?MKT=en-US&lp=zh-chs_en&a=http://bbs.mydigit.cn/read.php?tid=28763
00:55:44	dionoea	ok, then just copy the folder. But using rbutil would be easier
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00:55:50	dionoea	just click click click and it's done
00:55:59	dionoea	*rbutility
00:56:07	dionoea	or whatever the name is:)
00:56:25	toffe82	mcuelenaere: it translate to firmware upgrade tools
00:56:27	mcuelenaere	toffe82: thanks for the link, but I've already downloaded those files
00:56:32	toffe82	ok
00:58:40	pelleux	dionoea: okay. So what happens when I install rockbox? does it nuke the Ipod bootloader and install rockbox, or is rockbox chainloaded somehow?
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00:59:07	dionoea	the ipod bootloader is chainloaded if you press a key during boot
00:59:14	dionoea	else it boots rockbox
00:59:22	dionoea	so yeah, it changes the default apple bootloader
00:59:27	dionoea	but you don't lose anything
00:59:37	dionoea	(I don't know the specifics)
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01:00:27	pelleux	dionoea: okay, just checkin. THanks.
01:01:14	dionoea	you can always restore using apple's ipod rescue/restore utility if you want
01:01:16	dionoea	(or dd)
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01:04:07	pelleux	dd :)
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01:55:12	pelleux_	dionoea: thanks, I got is working now.
01:55:25	pelleux_	another question now...
01:56:04	pelleux_	Can I nuke the entire directory structure except for .rockbox/
01:56:34	pelleux_	And then put my music and whatnot on there the way I would like.
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02:02:41	Unhelpful	pelleux_: you should be able to. you can either use the file browser to find your songs, or build the database and use that.
02:03:50	pelleux_	Unhelpful: sweet, Thanks
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03:17:57	Casainho	hello Rockbox people :-)
03:18:25	Casainho	I did manage to build for the first time the bootloader for a new port:
03:18:27	Casainho	http://code.google.com/p/rockboxplayer/source/list
03:18:49	Casainho	well, bootloader just should flash LEDs for now :-)
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03:23:14	Strife89	!radio
03:24:25	Strife89	!tuner
03:26:55	Strife89	May I ask where the code for the FM Tuner is?
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03:27:52	Strife89	I'm looking everywhere, but I don't see it.....
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03:34:31	JdGordon	Strife89: mostly in apps/recorder/radio.c
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03:35:24	Strife89	Recorder, the one place I didn't think it could possibly be in.....
03:35:33	Strife89	Anyway, thanks.
03:39:30	*	Strife89 is trying to find a way to make the "Add Preset" function stop if that station is already in the preset list.
03:40:21	JdGordon	good luck with that :D
03:40:37	*	Strife89 also wants the radio to always save any changes to the preset list on exit (instead of giving an option).
03:40:58	Strife89	JdGordon: Yeah, I understand the radio code is messy.
03:41:19	JdGordon	actually, those 2 changes should be doable without too much pain
03:42:34	Strife89	Wow, I'm too new to this......
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03:44:22	JdGordon	gotta start somewhere :)
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09:49:23	rshakin	hey i've installed rockbox and now i cant charge my ipod with usb...
09:49:26	rshakin	any ideas ?
09:49:45	scorche	rshakin: how are you trying to charge?
09:49:54	rshakin	with just a regular usb cable
09:50:14	scorche	i mean, are you in disk mode? apple OS? rockbox?
09:50:29	rshakin	i think the battery died completely
09:50:34	BigBambi	rshakin: The manual is a good place to start: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch3.html#x5-380003.3
09:51:19	scorche	rshakin: that is a common issue on ipods and has nothing to do with rockbox, really...if you have an AC adapter, leave that plugged in for a while...if not, leave it plugged into your computer for 48 (yes, 48) hours
09:52:28	rshakin	ok good will try that
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12:22:55	mcuelenaere	does sleep()'ing work in the bootloader?
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12:41:13	preglow	mcuelenaere: i wouldn't expect it to, threads usually aren't set up yet there, afaik
12:41:29	mcuelenaere	kernel_init() has been done..
12:41:33	mcuelenaere	and yield()'ing works
12:41:34	linuxstb	Some bootloaders have interrupts, others implement a bootloader-specific sleep()
12:41:38	preglow	well, if threads work, then sleep() does work too
12:41:47	mcuelenaere	weird, on my target it doesn't
12:41:53	mcuelenaere	do you know what could cause this?
12:42:01	mcuelenaere	eg bad core_sleep() implementation?
12:42:28	preglow	well, what happens if you call sleep?
12:42:34	mcuelenaere	it hangs
12:42:36	amiconn	sleep() only works if both threading and the tick are working
12:42:43	mcuelenaere	both should work
12:42:53	preglow	well, threads depend on the tick
12:42:53	mcuelenaere	tick gets incremented and yield() works
12:43:02	mcuelenaere	current_tick gets incremented*
12:43:07	preglow	have you implemented a core sleep function?
12:43:19	mcuelenaere	yes, but I'm not sure if works really well
12:43:22	mcuelenaere	(this is a MIPS processor)
12:43:23	preglow	then remove that
12:43:32	mcuelenaere	I tried that, but it didn't work
12:43:37	preglow	the scheduler will sleep the core if there's nothing to do, afaik
12:43:41	preglow	hmm
12:44:02	mcuelenaere	so perhaps a bug in either load_context(), save_context() or start_thread()?
12:44:11	mcuelenaere	(those are the ones I changed)
12:44:24	preglow	load/save context bugs would be really noticable quite fast if you uyse threading at all
12:44:29	mcuelenaere	hmm ok
12:44:35	preglow	start_thread is the same, i guess
12:44:49	mcuelenaere	then probably an not-thread related bug?
12:44:58	preglow	but i don't know, i haven't look at the scheduler innards since it got changed
12:45:27	mcuelenaere	(I've had the same/similar bug when trying to sleep() in the ZVM bootloader, but Rockbox itself didn't had the problem)
12:45:40	funman	linuxstb: did you work on sansav1 ?
12:45:52	preglow	mcuelenaere: have you done some testing with threads to see if they work proper as it is?
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12:46:05	mcuelenaere	not really, how could I test them?
12:46:15	preglow	mcuelenaere: all sleep() does is run other threads until your sleep time is up, unless there is nothing to do, and then it halts the core
12:46:37	preglow	mcuelenaere: well, by creating a couple and just yielding between them?
12:46:50	preglow	i don't know what facilities you've got implemented
12:46:58	mcuelenaere	all standard Rockbox ones
12:47:29	mcuelenaere	I know that backlight and scroll threads work
12:47:41	mcuelenaere	I haven't checked whether there are others runned
12:47:51	preglow	well, i'd just create a couple of threads that do some printing to the screen and queue communication
12:48:03	preglow	with results you can verify, of course
12:48:46	preglow	well, toggle the backlight, use scrolling text, whatever. if it works, then the threading should be ok
12:49:06	mcuelenaere	the backlight is automatically turned off after some time
12:49:13	mcuelenaere	(I presume that's standard Rockbox behaviour?)
12:49:17	preglow	yep
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12:49:24	mcuelenaere	I haven't tried scrolling text, will do now
12:49:33	preglow	do that, also try switching the backlight on
12:49:42	preglow	that should test the queues
12:49:55	preglow	scrolling probably already does, but i'm not familiar with that
12:49:59	mcuelenaere	the queues should work (button_get() works)
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12:50:05	preglow	mok
12:50:45	preglow	starting to sound like there's not much you can do but crawl into the scheduler guts
12:51:55	mcuelenaere	hmm, lcd_puts_scroll(0, 100, "This is a very very long scrolling line.... OK???? VERY LONG VERY LONG VERY LONG VERY LONG VERY LONG VERY LONG!!!!!"); should work, right?
12:52:07	linuxstb	funman: I wrote sansapatcher (which is based on my ipodpatcher), but have never worked on the actual Rockbox code
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12:52:27	funman	ok
12:53:23	preglow	mcuelenaere: think so, but again, i seldom do ui work and things have changed since last i did...
12:53:48	mcuelenaere	hmm there's probably something wrong with my x, y coordinates
12:54:23	linuxstb	Yes, I think it takes character co-ordinates
12:54:30	linuxstb	See the GraphicsAPI wiki page
12:56:06	mcuelenaere	linuxstb: lcd_puts_scroll() doesn't seem to be documentated on that wiki page
12:57:10	mcuelenaere	hmm but according to the source, you seem to be right
12:57:55	mcuelenaere	ok scrolling works too
12:58:34	mcuelenaere	hmm but the string sometimes seem to appear shortly either on top of the screen or on the bottom
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14:12:07	JdGordon	amiconn: if you want that list issue fixed you need to put it on FS... i'm down to no rockbox time again and will forget about it unless its there....
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14:19:11	JdGordon	.. also explain it a bit better... I didnt really understand what you were tlaking about
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15:10:46	J-23	NOOOOO! I bought v2!
15:11:09	markun	J-23: well, then you will have to help out with the port ;)
15:11:09	Tuplanolla	:<
15:11:17	J-23	how can I help? :p
15:11:29	markun	don't ask me
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15:12:04	markun	I have no idea how much progress there has been. Better check the forum.
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15:35:15	J-23	ok, so can somebody else tell me how can I help with porting Rockbox too e200v2 Sansas? I'm not good in low-level programming, so I can e.g. just make a good list of chips documentation on wiki.
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15:36:22	J-23	hmm, most important chips are listed.
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17:16:20	J-23	How can I help with porting Rockbox to v2 Sansas if I can't help by programming?
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17:21:35	J-23	hmm, http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/8843
17:22:02	J-23	is somebody stil maintaining it, or porting RB to v2 Sansas it a forgotten idea?
17:22:40	bmbl	J-23: Ask in the Forums for what can be done(although I don't think that there's much we could do without programming)?
17:24:12	LambdaCalculus37	Programming is about the only thing left to be done at this point.
17:24:39	J-23	:/
17:24:55	LambdaCalculus37	Apart from that, there's testing new code.
17:25:35	J-23	Is there any possibility to brick player by doing it?
17:25:44	J-23	and is it possible then to unbrick it?
17:26:17	LambdaCalculus37	I would figure that that's exactly what we're trying to not have happen when testing code. ;)
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17:28:08	J-23	hmm.
17:29:04	J-23	I know it isn't completely safe, but my player was expensive and I don't want to make it unusable :)
17:30:20	LambdaCalculus37	In order to make your player unusable, you can either 1) Throw it into the toilet, 2) smash it with a hammer, or 3) feed it to the dog. ;)
17:30:33	J-23	ok.
17:32:02	BigBambi	J-23: I haven't been keeping up with the e200 v2 stuff so I don't know if there is a low level recovery mode or the like on it
17:32:12	bmbl	My Sansa was cheap but still I don't want to test code on it :P
17:32:44	bmbl	BigBambi: As far as I have understood there isn't really a recovery mode
17:33:57	BigBambi	bmbl: That's a bit of a bugger.
17:34:12	BigBambi	I'm sure all this sort of stuff is in the thread though
17:35:06	J-23	how longly Rockbox was being ported to e200v1?
17:35:38	BigBambi	J-23: That's an irrelevant question tbh
17:35:57	BigBambi	New port, new hardware, etc etc
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17:37:16	J-23	but e.g. from Archos players to iPods.
17:37:26	Bomberman	hi all
17:38:15	Bomberman	roxbox is avaible for bbk players?
17:38:21	BigBambi	No
17:38:34	BigBambi	Look at www.rockbox.org, it has a list of all players Rockbox works on
17:38:40	Bomberman	:(
17:38:46	BigBambi	J-23: I don't understand that question
17:39:15	J-23	hmm, I think I should read about Rockbox history.
17:40:23	n1s	J-23: rom the svn logs: the first rev of config-e200.h was committed on aug 1 2006 and the "gentlmen mail" was sent on march 11 2007
17:40:51	n1s	so including research at least a year to functioning audio playback
17:41:08	J-23	first porting attemprs in April 2008
17:41:16	BigBambi	But that says nothing about v2 timescales except a long time
17:41:19	n1s	but as BigBambi said, this is no real indication of how long the v2 port will take
17:41:31	J-23	attempts*
17:42:59	n1s	to show the difference between ports, the record (iirc) is 12 hours which it took amiconn to get audio on the mini 2g...
17:44:21	BigBambi	J-23: http://www.rockbox.org/history.html
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17:47:07	MarcGuay	preglow: Any status update on the TC SD driver?
17:48:16	GodEater	the v1 sansa port is likely to prove quicker than the v2 port too - since the v1 was using a SOC that we had code for already
17:48:28	GodEater	so I would imagine the v2 will take longer than the v1 port did
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17:52:56	n1s	so, does anyone care if the released bootloaders have proper versions or if we can go with whatever is in svn now (i'm not really sure if they use svn r or old version number or whatever) ?
17:54:05	J-23	but why porting to e200v2 is so slow?
17:54:25	J-23	and why there is no v2 port in SVN?
17:55:21	n1s	J-23: it is 1) difficult 2) time consuming 3) done by limited numbers of people 4) in their limited spare time
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17:56:03	J-23	did other ports start like this?
17:56:14	BigBambi	Like what?
17:56:41	BigBambi	The vast majority started from scratch and took a lot of dedicated work in people's spare time, yes
17:57:10	J-23	was e.g. iPod port based on anything?
17:57:14	BigBambi	The only exceptions being those that were similar to existing ones that took slightly less but still huge amounts of dedicated work in peopl's spare time
17:57:35	LambdaCalculus37	No, the initial iPod ports weren't.
17:57:42	BigBambi	Some of it was helped by ipodlinux work
17:58:16	BigBambi	And of course the existing swcodec layer from previous ports applied
17:58:19	LambdaCalculus37	The iPod video port came about because some of the hardware is similar to that of the nano.
17:58:51	J-23	Is developing Rockbox ports so hard as I think? (coding)
17:58:56	BigBambi	yes, very
17:59:18	J-23	no user will wait for 2 years
17:59:32	J-23	after 2 years there will be 3x faster players
17:59:46	BigBambi	You need to write drivers for all the hardware, often without datasheets which means reverse engineering is often necessary. That if course is after working out how to run code on the player etc
17:59:50	BigBambi	J-23: So?
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18:00:09	gevaerts	J-23: people don't port rockbox to their player because of some users, they do it because they want it for themselves
18:00:51	LambdaCalculus37	J-23: That's why we keep saying that if you want to see Rockbox on your player that badly, expect to do work yourself.
18:01:11	MarcGuay	#rockbox-moan-and-groan is available.
18:01:42	BigBambi	along with #rockbox-full-refunds-this-way
18:02:04	LambdaCalculus37	And #rockbox-dont-bitch-and-moan-in-the-main-channel
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18:08:03	LambdaCalculus37	MarcGuay: Yes, I think we should ask him about his bootloader version.
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18:09:47	n1s	there's some semi common hardware fault that will cause h300's to remain in usb mode all the time, don't remember how to fix it though but there's a theread about it somewhere in mistic river
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18:12:43	MarcGuay	Did they make a c200v1 in red or just the new ones?
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18:13:36	LambdaCalculus37	MarcGuay: Not sure. I do remember seeing red c200s in the older "v1" packaging before, but I'm not 100% sure if they were indeed v1's.
18:13:48	LambdaCalculus37	Why, did you just get a red c200?
18:14:23	MarcGuay	Just cruising eBay looking for broken but easily repairable stuff...
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18:14:54	LambdaCalculus37	MarcGuay: Ahh.
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18:20:05	J-23	hmm, are there any texts about disassembling e200v2 Sansas?
18:20:19	LambdaCalculus37	http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/v2.html
18:20:32	Jabone	and there's a link for rockbox forum
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18:29:07	J-23	I don't see any disassembling instructions there
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18:30:32	fragilematter	j-23 there is some info on abi forums in a post i write about firmware recovery
18:32:20	fragilematter	J-23: here http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?p=281956 - it's not much but it's not hard to crack it open either
18:32:45	J-23	thanks.
18:32:55	fragilematter	no problem :)
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18:42:51	J-23	c200v1 is much simplier to disassemble
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18:46:49	Tichodroma	Hi I'm seeking wiki-editing authorisation for user DanDavison (have just registered and activated account)
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18:47:56	MarcGuay	Tichodroma: What's your plan?
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18:50:09	Aurashismail	is anyone on?
18:50:36	Aurashismail	i have an 5th gen ipod vid (60 gb) and i wanted to put a video onto my ipod (an avi).
18:50:46	Aurashismail	can someone help me with that?
18:51:05	fyrestorm	i dont think thats the question to ask here.
18:51:18	fyrestorm	unless you are, in fact, using rockbox.
18:51:19	Aurashismail	oh
18:51:19	MarcGuay	Aurashismail: Have you read this http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer?
18:51:29	Aurashismail	no i havent marc
18:51:30	Aurashismail	thanks
18:51:48	Aurashismail	and fyre, i am using rockbox
18:51:53	Aurashismail	its a pain to convert vids
18:52:18	fyrestorm	ahh okay XD
18:52:28	fyrestorm	use videora
18:52:55	fyrestorm	then again i dont watch movies on my ipod anymore. too much music.
18:53:40	Aurashismail	i used videora, but its still a hassle
18:53:45	Aurashismail	i use*
18:54:13	fyrestorm	yeah
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18:56:39	Tichodroma	In Twiki>Main>IpodPort>ConvertiTunesDBtoTagCache I was going to add a comment saying that an alternative is to use (open source project) picard (http://musicbrainz.org/doc/PicardTagger), to automatically extract music from an iTunes DB and place files in a sensibly-named directory tree, then create rockbox DB if desired.
18:58:13	MarcGuay	Tichodroma: You're ready to go.
18:58:34	Tichodroma	OK, cheers.
18:59:57	Aurashismail	random thing, is video output supported? if it isnt, do you think it ever wil?
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19:01:32	Aurashismail	and i cant find the mpegplayer
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19:01:51	Aurashismail	i used the rockbox utility to install it on to my ipod
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19:03:36	Aurashismail	anyone...?
19:04:37	J-23	Will it be helpful if I'll create step-by-step E200v2 disassembling videotutorial?
19:05:06	Aurashismail	(i have no idea)
19:05:36	Aurashismail	i made a movies folder (E:/movies)
19:05:58	Aurashismail	and added a videoto it
19:06:01	J-23	AFAIK video output is not supported
19:06:06	Aurashismail	ah
19:06:18	Aurashismail	do you think its possible in the future?
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19:10:43	Aurashismail	i cant find the mpeg player, can someone help me
19:11:11	J-23	just try to open that file from file manager
19:11:35	Aurashismail	i tried, when i go into the folder i cant see the file
19:11:36	Aurashismail	its a .avi
19:11:51	Aurashismail	or is avi not supported
19:12:14	domonoky	Aurashismail: that wont play, it needs to be mpeg1/2 with the correct size, see wiki
19:12:15	J-23	Rockbox supports MPEG only (1 and 2).
19:12:29	Aurashismail	oh
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19:13:20	Aurashismail	i guess il have to keep converting vids
19:13:23	Aurashismail	thanks guys
19:13:24	Aurashismail	cya
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19:15:09	*	amiconn found a possibility for a generic litte optimisation in rockbox
19:15:48	amiconn	Right now, our MIN() and MAX() macros evaluate their arguments twice, and if they're function calls, this is both slower and means more code
19:15:49	toffe82	perhaps something useful for somebody workin on sd card interface : http://www.newark.thinkhost.com/brands/promos/leading_edge/spraao7.pdf?CMP=EMC-TF091508
19:16:00	amiconn	(and also applying side effects twice)
19:16:49	gevaerts	amiconn: changing that counts as a fix I think. If it's faster and smaller, that's nice of course
19:17:02	amiconn	There is a way to make this macro evaluate their arguments only once, yet keeping it unversal, datatype wise, using a gcc extension
19:17:26	gevaerts	typeof?
19:17:41	amiconn	http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-4.0.4/gcc/Typeof.html#Typeof
19:17:49	amiconn	It's almost literally that example
19:18:13	amiconn	Using this needs a few fixes in places where those macros are used
19:18:40	amiconn	(1) The current version works for the preprocessor itself. The typeof() version does not
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19:19:07	amiconn	This needs preprocessing fixes in cube.c and spacerocks.c
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19:20:26	amiconn	(2) In a few places, one of the arguments of those macros is a constant. The current form handles signed<->unsigned differences automatically in those cases, but the typeof() form does not, resulting in a signed<->unsigned comparison warning
19:20:55	amiconn	This is fixable either by casting, or by explicitly defining the constant as unsigned
19:21:10	gevaerts	As long as the compiler (or preprocessor) gives an error or a warning in the cases that need fixing, I think it's not a problem
19:21:11	*	pixelma found a few small bugs in plugins while reviewing screenshots and button tables for the manuals... :\
19:21:45	amiconn	Now I wonder (a) whether this is a good idea to apply and (b) whether we should have a MAX and MIN that works for preprocessing, and which name they should have
19:23:22	gevaerts	I think it is a good idea. Arguments getting evaluated twice is usually unexpected, and could cause subtle bugs
19:24:16	gevaerts	As for the preprocessor case, maybe _MAX() and _MIN() ?
19:25:03	*	gevaerts wants to use #ifdef PREPROCESSOR, but his brain gets a stack overflow if he tries
19:25:34	Tichodroma	On the IPodPort page, for the 5.5th gen 80Gb. It says "very stable; more work on optimising the disk writing code is needed". Out of curiosity, can anyone point me towards any documentation/code comments indicating what needs to be done?
19:27:24	gevaerts	Tichodroma: (I could be wrong but) I think this is related to the fact that the 5.5G uses 2048 byte sectors, while rockbox uses 512 byte sectors internally
19:28:29	gevaerts	Or rather, the disk doesn't handle 512 byte IO and wants 1024
19:28:56	amiconn	The latter
19:29:20	gevaerts	That means that to write 512 bytes (which the rockbox FAT driver does now and then), the ata driver first needs to read 1024 bytes, patch in the 512 bytes that need writing, and write the 1024 bytes back
19:29:28	amiconn	We'd need more intelligent fat code that is able to cache variable sector sizes
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19:32:54	amiconn	gevaerts: Both mentioned plugins use the macros to decide which or the 2 lcd dimensions is the larger/smaller one
19:33:32	amiconn	Maybe we should set global macros for those in a central place?
19:33:45	Tichodroma	Right, thanks. I don't think I'm going to be able to solve that one unfortunately.
19:33:48	gevaerts	LCD_PORTRAIT and LCD_LANDSCAPE?
19:34:03	amiconn	No, something like LCD_LARGE_DIM and LCD_SMALL_DIM
19:34:17	amiconn	They need the numbers, not just the fact
19:34:22	gevaerts	ah, ok
19:34:50	amiconn	(the fact is trivial to check - #if LCD_WIDTH > LCD_HEIGHT etc, and some plugins need all 3 cases)
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19:35:21	gevaerts	indeed
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19:36:42	gevaerts	Actually, SCREEN_PORTRAIT and friends already exist
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19:54:57	denes	gevaerts: so moving the discussion here in public: the dfu loads the binary at address 0x22020000
19:55:04	denes	gevaerts: and not 0x22000000
19:55:26	denes	gevaerts: the way I found this out, is by writing the "pc" on the lcd (I managed to write to the lcd on the m3)
19:55:44	denes	gevaerts: so this is on the m3, but it imho applies to m6sl too
19:56:11	gevaerts	probably. I can try "writing" the pc on my sl
19:56:19	denes	gevaerts: great
19:56:52	denes	gevaerts: and if it works for you also, the change should be committed, because it didn't really work for me at first on the m3
19:57:18	denes	markun: thanks for committing the m3 parts to svn
19:59:19	denes	gevaerts: ok it might not apply to the m6sl, but it should apply to the m6, because SST39VF800.dfu uses 22020000 also (but the m6sl doesn't use SST39VF800.dfu)
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20:00:57	amiconn	urgh
20:01:24	amiconn	usb_storage.c has quite some of those signed<->unsigned comparison warnings now
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20:03:05	gevaerts	amiconn: making SECTOR_SIZE and BUFFER_SIZE explicitely unsigned should fix most of them I think
20:03:46	amiconn	yep
20:03:51	gevaerts	Is there a quick way to get at pc from c code?
20:04:09	amiconn	You need a tiny inline asm snippet
20:04:59	denes	iirc: asm volatile("mov %0, pc \n\t" : "=r" (yourvariable));
20:05:28	denes	pc-8=the address of the current instruction
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20:09:15	*	pixelma thinks that having two "M3" ports could lead to confusion...
20:11:36	gevaerts	denes: I get 0x22000a50
20:12:03	denes	gevaerts: okay, than it's fine on the m6sl
20:12:19	denes	gevaerts: but probably this was the reason why it didn't work on the m3
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20:13:05	denes	gevaerts: so the m3(/m6) and the m6sl need different ld scripts currently
20:13:38	gevaerts	If this is the only difference, I think an #ifdef will do fine
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20:13:45	denes	gevaerts: you are right
20:14:16	gevaerts	So it's the m6sl that's different, right? m6sp and m3 are the same?
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20:14:41	denes	gevaerts: I think so (if m6 in the dfu tool = m6sp)
20:15:13	amiconn	Hmm. There is a problem with this typeof() macro from the gcc docs: it breaks when nested
20:15:38	amiconn	I.e. MAX(MAX(a, b), c) won't work as expected
20:16:18	gevaerts	denes: I think that means that IRAMSIZE is 128k for now as well
20:16:47	*	gevaerts thinks he's doing this the wrong way
20:17:18	gevaerts	IRAMORIG and IRAMSIZE are the same for everyone, we just need to specify a different load address
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20:21:12	denes	gevaerts: yes, I think so too
20:21:25	gevaerts	denes: I committed a fix. Can you have a look at it?
20:22:36	denes	gevaerts: looks perfect, thanks !
20:22:56	bertrik	has anyone recently tried to compile the mipsel toolchain?
20:23:01	gevaerts	amiconn: you could make MIN() and MAX() inline functions
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20:23:21	gevaerts	bertrik: yes, a few days ago
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20:23:36	bertrik	I tried it and it failed, I'll have to look up the exact error
20:23:36	gevaerts	(compiled, not actually used)
20:23:47	denes	pixelma: what "two M3 ports"?
20:23:56	gevaerts	denes: there is also the iaudio M3
20:24:06	denes	gevaerts: ahhh, okay
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20:25:03	amiconn	gevaerts: Hmm, but then how do you make it generic?
20:25:25	denes	gevaerts: so the current bootlader is supposed to flash when I touch the touchstrip? just to confirm that it works correct
20:25:28	*	gevaerts knew he was forgetting something...
20:26:09	amiconn	Hmm, perhaps a nested function in that macro which is called right away would work...
20:26:43	gevaerts	denes: yes.
20:27:06	amiconn	...or not. The function name would need to vary
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20:28:04	gevaerts	denes: what should happen is: the backlight turns on, you press power (play on the m6sl), it turns off the backlight, calibrates the touchpad, and starts flashing finger positions
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20:29:58	denes	gevaerts: that's mostly what happens. but when I touch the lower half of the touchpad it flashes once, one I press a bit above it starts flashing for a long time. is this what you observe?
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20:31:00	gevaerts	denes: it should flash once near the bottom, up to four times near the top (QT1106_RES_4 in the source)
20:31:42	gevaerts	If you change that to QT1106_RES_8, it goes up to 8, and so on up to 256
20:33:06	denes	gevaerts: I will check it later than, becuase it either flashes once or very many times.
20:33:36	amiconn	This is actually a situation where C++ has an advantage (definiting a template function)
20:33:42	amiconn	*defining
20:33:44	gevaerts	That sounds like a bug
20:34:15	denes	gevaerts: or worse - the m3 and the m6sl being incompatible ...
20:34:33	denes	btw it's the new m3, not the original
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20:35:33	gevaerts	the MeizuReverseEngineering page says that the qt1106 connections are the same. Maybe the new m3 has a different chip there
20:36:12	denes	gevaerts: yes. I hope not, though ;)
20:36:34	gevaerts	If we find out which chip it's not a disaster :)
20:36:57	*	gevaerts is pretty sure that the used GPIO pins will be the same
20:37:16	denes	gevaerts: hopefully
20:37:32	gevaerts	They are the same between M6, M6SL, and M3(old)
20:37:44	denes	gevaerts: well, the keys and the backlight are indeed the same
20:38:27	denes	gevaerts: anyway, the lcd is the first task for me
20:38:35	denes	gevaerts: and then the others
20:39:13	gevaerts	same here
20:39:36	denes	gevaerts: btw do you have an idea what clock your m6sl is running at? because I set the m3 to 200MHz explicitly
20:39:51	denes	gevaerts: that could be a difference also
20:39:59	gevaerts	Not really, but I should be able to find out
20:40:24	denes	gevaerts: by reading the clock control registers?
20:40:45	gevaerts	the delay() function in qt1106.c makes about two loops per microsecond
20:40:58	denes	gevaerts: I see
20:42:55	denes	gevaerts: that's like 8MHz ? or maybe I am calculating something wrong
20:43:28	denes	gevaerts: 8MHz vs. 200 MHz could be a problem :)
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20:44:24	gevaerts	indeed. Maybe try increasing the delays in qt1106.c by about a factor 10 or 20
20:45:07	denes	gevaerts: I will try it tomorrow
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20:48:39	ipod	could some one tell me the name of a video converter for my 1st gen ipod nano
20:49:01	ipod	i had it on here but i had to reformat
20:49:01	LambdaCalculus37	There's a list of converters here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer
20:49:08	ipod	thanks
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20:55:19	bertrik	funman, can you put that kind of v2 information on the wiki?
20:56:23	funman	I prefer hacking :)
20:57:00	funman	writing doc is a difficut task
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21:00:22	amiconn	Hmm, when I add type checking to those macros (linux kernel.h style) I get loads of warnings...
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21:05:15	bertrik	funman, ok I'll start reading the rest of the forum thread on the v2's and try to update the wiki
21:06:30	funman	thanks!
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21:07:00	bertrik	of course I can't make any guarantees on how far I get
21:07:23	funman	you're welcome anywhere far you get ;)
21:08:12	fragilematter	bertrik: and if you need any help I'll be glad to assist you
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21:19:16	amiconn	43 warnings for ipod Video, 18 warnings for Ondio FM
21:19:28	*	amiconn is uncertain what do do now
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21:20:33	funman	-Wno-.. ;)
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21:23:02	gevaerts	amiconn: are there warnings that point to real potential problems?
21:23:41	funman	bertrik: the sansaV2 components should be the same over all the models (when presents)
21:23:55	amiconn	The kernel.h mix()/max() implementations use a trick that throws a warning when the types of the arguments are different
21:24:59	amiconn	So these warnings mean that several of our MIN() / MAX() invocations do that. Whether it is a real problem or not then depends on the architecture
21:25:01	funman	firmware/export/kernel.h ?
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21:25:19	gevaerts	funman: linux kernel.h
21:25:31	amiconn	Yeah, that was imprecise...
21:26:04	gevaerts	I think that if it can cause real problems, we want the warnings.
21:26:53	bertrik	funman, ok I'll put the clip information on the generic SansaV2 page then
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21:28:17	funman	I have the sd powered up it seems
21:28:26	funman	I must look how to send read commands now ^^
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21:29:22	mmiller_	Is rockbox expected to run on a device if it has no battery?
21:29:34	funman	if you power it why not ?
21:29:49	amiconn	The linux kernel has several flavours of min() and max(): the type checking variant, the simple one (doing double evaluation), another one where you can specifiy the type explicitly
21:29:53	bertrik	IIRC, my sansa e200 runs find on USB power with the battery disconnected
21:29:57	bertrik	*fine
21:30:26	fragilematter	bertrik: feel free to incorporate any of the content from http://drop.io/sansahack and eventually the unbrick way I described here http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?p=281956#post281975 into the wiki pages
21:30:28	amiconn	It also has clamp() in those flavours, plus one that uses the type of the value, assuming the min and max are literals
21:30:30	mmiller_	I have a gigabeat that's using USB power with very low battery, and when I try to boot it immediately shuts down.
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21:31:08	amiconn	Changing all this is quite some work, but when I just commit what I have now the build table will be yellow all over...
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21:31:55	toffe82	mmiller_: gigabeat F or S ?
21:32:03	mmiller_	It's a gigabeat F.
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21:33:20	toffe82	mmiller_: I think the battery must be charged before you can use it , at least on the S it is like this, I never had a problem on a F
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21:34:41	mmiller_	toffe82: do you know whether this is an issue with rockbox, the hardware, or the toshiba firmware?
21:35:40	toffe82	mmiller_: on the F I don't think there is any problem with rockbox , I didn't really use the OF
21:35:56	toffe82	your battery won't charge ?
21:37:01	mmiller_	It worked fine yesterday, was syncing last night, apparently ran out of battery (?), and today it's dead. It show's it's been charging for several hours, but no more luck now than before.
21:37:53	mmiller_	(It appears to charge, but it doesn't seem to actually do anything.)
21:37:54	amiconn	Lines 350..434 in http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=blob;f=include/linux/kernel.h;h=aaa998f65c7af93e8a0e715e5bef0ca5ef067ece;hb=204b885e7322656284626949e51f292fe61313fa
21:38:10	gevaerts	amiconn: I think in this case committing the new min()/max() and the warning fixes separately might actually be good
21:38:57	toffe82	mmiller_: you should check the battery
21:39:28	mmiller_	toffe82: I'll do that. Thanks.
21:40:56	funman	the pl180 show the command number is on 6 bits but there's no list of commands
21:41:24	funman	maybe it's part of the mmc standard
21:43:36	*	gevaerts thinks that separating introducing new functionality and changing things to use or adapt to that functionality into separate commits is a good idea, even if it introduces temporary warnings
21:45:41	amiconn	gevaerts: I am undecided whether this should be committed at all in its current form, or whether it would be better to introduce the strict macros in addition to the existing ones, and then gradually go through the code and make it use the strict macros
21:46:21	gevaerts	amiconn: that's another way to do it, but you lose the nice MIN()/MAX() names that way
21:46:39	amiconn	This wouldn't cause intermediate warnings, and it would allow to use the different variants depending on what fits best
21:50:04	gevaerts	On the other hand, we want new code to use appropriate variants. Leaving the old ones in makes that harder to enforce
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21:53:18	amiconn	gevaerts: We could rip them out when the conversion is done...
21:53:45	gevaerts	True.
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21:54:13	gevaerts	So I'd say use new names, and then we can start fixing...
21:55:47	gevaerts	Actually, when we're done maybe we should leave MIN and MAX in, and make then #errors. That way people who don't immediately find them don't re-add them locally
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21:59:00	*	amiconn wonders how this would be possible
21:59:28	mcuelenaere	just don't define them?
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22:00:29	mcuelenaere	MarcGuay (logs): here are about all the files I've downloaded at that site: http://www.mediafire.com/?iiztaztnmna
22:00:54	bluebrother	#define MIN(x) \#error MIN: x ?
22:01:19	funman	#define MIN(x) y
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22:01:42	gevaerts	funman: make compilation fail, not execution ;)
22:02:00	bluebrother	at least at the compiler used at work I can create a macro that extends that way, though I only tested with #pragma
22:02:08	funman	why do you want to let it compile anyway ?
22:02:57	funman	also why is winter coming so early ? :(
22:03:05	gevaerts	It's not too important right now I guess. If bluebrother's trick works, great, and if it doesn't, oh well
22:04:11	bluebrother	just tried, doesn't seem to work
22:04:33	gevaerts	One trick that should always work is #define MIN(x,y) YOU_MADE_A_MISTAKE(), although that will give a linker error instead of a compiler error
22:05:11	amiconn	Or #define MIN(x, y) "you made a mistake"
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22:05:44	amiconn	But it'd break some codec libs to disallow plain MIN()/ MAX()
22:05:53	funman	#define MIN(x, y) abort()
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22:06:09	*	gevaerts thinks that funman still doesn't get the point ;)
22:06:10	funman	I'm not sure if you can use void as int ..
22:06:15	bluebrother	#define MIN(x,y) #
22:06:34	bluebrother	creates a nice "error: '#' is not followed by a macro parameter"
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22:07:18	amiconn	libspeex and demac define their own
22:07:20	gevaerts	What about just #define MIN(x,y) new_and_improved_min(x,y)? No warnings or errors, but it should at least do the right thing
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22:11:24	bluebrother	welcome to the woooorld of tomorrrrow!
22:12:29	funman	but if it's tomorrow today is yesterday ????¿¿¿¿
22:14:00	qubodup	yes
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22:41:27	Casainho	hello Rockbox people :-)
22:41:35	linuxstb	Hi
22:41:49	Casainho	I am build a new port and I am getting an warning and my code is not working :-(
22:42:01	Casainho	can someone please enlight me? - http://pastebin.com/m7b2e1aee
22:42:14	*	bluebrother pulls torch
22:42:55	Casainho	the code is here: http://code.google.com/p/rockboxplayer/source/browse/#svn/trunk/rockbox_port
22:44:43	linuxstb	Casainho: The error messages seems very explicit - your code is referencing a function called pabt_handler, but that function is being discarded by the linker.
22:45:51	Casainho	linuxstb: and why?
22:46:05	Casainho	can it be a problem in linker script?
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22:47:12	Casainho	here is the linker script: http://code.google.com/p/rockboxplayer/source/browse/trunk/rockbox_port/firmware/target/arm/at91sam/boot.lds
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22:48:09	Casainho	I am being looking for this link script and for the memory map, I don't understand linker discard that function....
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22:49:08	bluebrother	well, it seems like this function is linked to a section that doesn't exist and gets discarded due to this
22:51:00	linuxstb	bluebrother: I would have expected the linker to complain that the section doesn't exist in that case - I've had that problem before.
22:52:06	bluebrother	hmm −− but I can't see that section the linker tells that function is linked to. Or did I miss some globbing?
22:52:16	Casainho	well, I am a novice in ARM world... I had a lot of days looking and reading about linker script... I may have some errors on it, can someone please verify?
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22:54:21	*	amiconn decides that he shouldn't try to do too many things at once, and puts back that MIN() / MAX() issue for now
22:55:05	linuxstb	Casainho: Where is the project.h file?
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22:55:59	Casainho	linuxstb: firmware/export/
22:56:32	linuxstb	Yes, I just found it - the google svn browser only showed the first 100 files in that dir....
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22:58:09	linuxstb	Casainho: Sorry, nothing jumps out at me as being obviously wrong...
22:58:13	Casainho	looks like it just shows 100 lines at a time, you can continue browsing other files
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22:58:44	Casainho	linuxstb: okok - thank you :-)
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22:59:55	Casainho	the bootloader C code (flash_LED) is working if builded alone... but with that linker script, I got that discard and code do not work :-(
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23:00:48	Casainho	the original code is here: http://code.google.com/p/rockboxplayer/source/browse/#svn/trunk/test_codes/at91sam9260_getting_started_1.0
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23:01:20	Casainho	linuxstb: can you please give a look and comparing both linker scripts?
23:02:29	Casainho	linker scripts are different... I tried to make one linker script as other ports on RB
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23:07:04	linuxstb	Casainho: Sorry, I can't investigate your problem. All I can suggest is to remove (comment out) the call to that troublesome function and see what does actually work...
23:07:15	Casainho	linuxstb: could it be something about missing newlib??
23:07:54	linuxstb	What version of gcc are you using? Are you using the standard Rockbox arm-elf-gcc or something else?
23:08:06	Casainho	I was trying to build again that code and I got an error about -lc, # -lc : tells the linker to tie in newlib
23:08:32	Casainho	I am using the "rockbox_dev.sh"
23:08:46	bluebrother	there is no rockbox_dev.sh ...
23:08:48	Bagder	we don't use newlib...
23:09:12	*	bluebrother was too late to note that rockbox doesn't use newlib
23:09:27	Bagder	... so we don't use -lc
23:09:30	bluebrother	btw, do we use some functions taken from newlib?
23:09:45	Casainho	"rockboxdev.sh" :-)
23:09:47	Bagder	bluebrother: yes, some source from newlib is in the firmware/common dir
23:10:29	Casainho	I think my code may use newlib, because there is some printf functions....
23:10:30	scorche\|sh	you only use "rockboxdev.sh" once...and even then it isnt sure that you are using those compilers due to path..
23:10:53	Bagder	Casainho: printf? really?
23:11:08	Bagder	isn't that just like rockbox bootloaders doing it?
23:11:15	Casainho	dbgu_print_ascii("-F- Prefetch abort\n\r");
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23:12:18	Casainho	scorche\|sh: I am alsmosgt sure I am using gcc build from rockboxdev.sh! I did read wiki page and configure the path
23:12:52	Casainho	hmmm... so maybe I should remove things that may be using newlib... I will try ;-)
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23:29:59	Casainho	I found somethings: build that application with GCC 4.0.3, I got that discarded sections... but with GCC 4.1.1, all go perfect....
23:30:45	Casainho	however, If I try to build RB bootloader with GCC 4.1.1, with the same code but diferent linker scripts, I got this errors:
23:31:07	Bagder	is that 4.1.1 really built the same way rockboxdev.sh does it?
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23:31:37	Casainho	http://pastebin.com/m78a245f4
23:32:34	Casainho	Bagder: I did build it using this simple instructions: http://code.google.com/p/rockboxplayer/wiki/BuildGNUToolchainForARM9
23:32:35	Bagder	I'd say using that compiler is not the right answer anyway
23:32:54	Bagder	−−with-newlib ...
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23:34:50	Casainho	Bagder: and this error " ERROR: /usr/local/arm9/lib/gcc/arm-elf/4.1.1/libgcc.a(_udivsi3.o) uses FPA instructions, whereas /home/cas/Documentos/RockboxPlayer/svn-code.google/trunk/rockbox_port/build/bootloader/bootloader.elf does not"
23:35:27	*	bluebrother wonders where this build instructions have been copied from
23:35:45	Bagder	FPA is "Floating Point Accelerator"
23:35:52	Casainho	bluebrother: you have the link to originals on the end of the page
23:36:32	Bagder	Casainho: again, going down that route seems like a bad choice to me
23:37:08	bluebrother	ah. A bit hidden, or the font in my browser is a bit tiny ;-)
23:38:35	Casainho	Bagder: I have 2 problems, the code is not working and I get warnings about that code discard... I would like to know If the code not working is because of that discard...
23:38:48	Casainho	well, I am loose :-)
23:39:37	Bagder	I didn't spot the discard problem, can you pastebin it for me again?
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23:43:38	Casainho	here: http://pastebin.com/m7b2e1aee
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23:50:21	Bagder	which boot.lds is used, you seem to have two?
23:52:02	Bagder	and can you show us the full "make V=1" output of the build log?
23:52:52	Casainho	I am using the first one... in dir at91sam
23:53:40	Bagder	and can you show us the bootloader.map?
23:56:06	Casainho	make V=1: http://pastebin.com/m26e92f49
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23:57:59	Casainho	but make V=1 also made some erros here: http://pastebin.com/m1c773415
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