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#rockbox log for 2008-09-19

00:00:33CasainhoBagder: I did made "make -V1 > log" −− some messages went to log file and others to shell, not on log file...
00:00:47Bagderah, ok
00:01:04Bagderright, you need to add "2>&1" too if you want to redir stderr to the same file
00:02:08Casainhookok - do you want I do it?
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00:05:05bluebrotherand you need to "make V=1", not "make -V1"
00:05:55Casainhoso, I need to use gcc 4.03 but I don't know why it is discarding that code :-(
00:06:22Casainholooking at map file, it simples includes the other code of that C file, but not that 2 functions :-(
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00:09:47BagderI don't see why, but you could easily clone the crt0-pp.S approach to work around it
00:11:57Casainhohmmm.... Okok - I will invest my energies on that....
00:12:16Casainhooh, but that means also the assembly file :-(
00:12:37Bagderyes, the vector table is assembly
00:12:57Bagderbut you could also just remove the calls to the problematic functions and replace them with nops or whatever
00:14:47Casainhoproblematic functions, in my actual code?
00:14:58Bagderno, I mean the calls to the functions from the vector table
00:15:46Casainhowell, I didn't make any assembly file, I just used that made by Atmel :-)
00:16:51Bagderright, but copy and paste then from the file I mentioned!
00:17:33Casainhookok - I will study that files of pp target
00:17:45CasainhoBagder: why did you suggest the pp files?
00:18:02Bagderbecause I loaded it and it had an easy approach
00:18:45CasainhoI was seeing that tms320dm320 is the same ARM core I am using...
00:18:57Casainhookok :-)
00:18:59Bagderthe vector table is the same on all of them
00:19:10Bagderso pick your favourite!
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00:21:59Casainhookok - I need to sleep now, will continue in next days :-)
00:22:15CasainhoI am not alone now, there is another developer with the same board :-)
00:22:33Bagderif you would post patches, you'd get more help...
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00:23:20CasainhoBagder: all code is online, on SVN at code google
00:23:40Bagderthat's not a patch though
00:23:59CasainhoI and other developer, we are using the SVN...
00:24:26Bagderbut we're hundreds of hundreds of Rockbox programmers
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00:24:36Bagderand we tend to share our work as patches
00:25:01Casainhohmmm... I am not used to this :-) −− you know, I am really new to this world :-)
00:25:27Casainhoright now I did deleted RB source code, from SVN
00:25:59CasainhoI am not focus on this port, so would be a lot of work to merge the code and make patches...
00:26:18Casainhothank you anyway :-)
00:26:21Casainhogood night ;-)
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01:44:20MarcGuayMore Chinese fun:
01:44:34MarcGuayTrying to understand how to download the file. Any help is appreciated.
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02:04:23ryanakcaIs there a plucker plugin for rockbox? A quick google search says no (despite a plugin request)... but it was only a quick search :)
02:05:22MarcGuaymcuelenaere: Found another STMP3600.[pro_uid]=131&L=0. Firmware files follow the same format as Gigabeat P/Sansa e100/Express.
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02:11:00toffe82MarcGuay: did you download the ppt file ?
02:11:16MarcGuaytoffe82: Couldn't figure out how!?
02:11:47toffe82I think it say that we have to wait to download it
02:14:32toffe82MarcGuay: it looks like there is 4 download :
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02:16:15toffe82MarcGuay: I think you have to register :|en&u=
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02:26:41toffe82MarcGuay: I try to register but I have problem , I will try later and let you know
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04:26:44NorrinGood evening. Quick question if you have the time.
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04:31:46JdGordonsomeone didnt read the guidelines :p
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04:35:30lukehasnonameI'm assuming the device support list is up to date. I have a sansa fuze, which is not listed as supported.
04:36:17JdGordonyes and yes
04:36:46lukehasnonameas in, I'm correct that it's up to date, and that fuze is not supported.
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04:38:21saratogathe front page is always correct
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04:50:29NorrinGood evening. Technical question regarding flashing newest build to Archos Jukebox FM Recorder. Can it be done?
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04:51:38NorrinWhen I try, it says "File invalid. Blocksize too small?" Searched FAQs and Forums and found no answers.
04:56:26advcomp2019Norrin, just hold on.. some people are not at their computers
04:56:54NorrinOkay, sorry.
04:57:10NorrinStanding by.
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05:24:51advcomp2019Norrin, you do not need to do that.. it will still be active
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06:44:51thephilosopherlooking for doc on the TCC7801
06:45:11thephilosophersome D2/P2 dev here ?
06:47:35thephilosophersomeone active ?
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07:30:47BagderI think this channel will wake up soon ;-)
07:31:03ameyeror go to bed...
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07:31:29ameyerI think many/most of the developers are European and currently asleep
07:31:57Bagderright, hence the wake up soon ;-) (07:30 CET atm)
07:32:18ameyerof course, those of us in the US are borderline asleep
07:32:35ameyer12:30 AM CDT
07:32:51ameyerwhere CDT == GMT-5
07:33:45Bagderthephilosopher: you a P2 or D2 hacker then I presume?
07:34:10thephilosopherBagder, getting info on the hardware then i ll see what i can do
07:34:27thephilosopherBadger you ?
07:35:04BagderI own a D2, although I've not yet done anything on it
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07:36:58thephilosopherBagder: did you read the cowon new port thread ?
07:37:17Bagderof course!
07:37:42*Bagder welcomes a new committer!
07:40:14thephilosopherthere is guy who posted a lot of doc
07:40:25Bagderlinks to docs, yes
07:40:29thephilosopher#94 i think but the lins are broken..
07:40:44thephilosopherdo know where is can get them , did you save a copy ?
07:41:14BagderI did, but I need to leave now and I'll be back later
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08:13:30toffe82Bagder: the last sigmatel document uploaded on the wiki is "company confidential", ther is no problem to let it there ?
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08:30:26MarcGuaytoffe82, Bagder: If you're referring to the one I linked to in the wiki, it was already an attachment. I'm unsure as to the legality of it, but would also appreciate knowing the official project stance on the subject.
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08:37:53amiconnJdGordon: Regarding the list bug: read-only lists have a problem with their current position
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08:39:05JdGordoncurrent position is meaningless for read only lists...
08:39:16amiconnIt isn't for scrolling...
08:39:18amiconnSteps to reproduce: (1) Choose a large enough font so that the one of the read-only lists in the debug menu is longer than the screen (preferably at least twice as long).
08:39:54amiconn(2) Enter that list, and scrolldown a few steps. Use an arbitrary count, as long as you don't go down all the way
08:40:20amiconn(3) Press up *once*. The list will gown to the *end*
08:40:53amiconnSame thing works if you are at the bottom, go up a few steps, and then press *down*. You end up at the top...
08:42:17amiconn"View disk info" is a good candidate, since it is relatively long
08:42:57JdGordonput it on flysrpay... i dont have time untill enxt week for this
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09:28:10B4gderI'm thinking release
09:28:17B4gderTue 23rd?
09:28:36B4gderaround 23:00 CEST
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09:32:40B4gderany immediate objections?
09:34:58thephilosopherlooking for doc on the TCC7801
09:35:04thephilosophersome D2/P2 dev here ?
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09:37:34thephilosopherB4gder: still there ?
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09:42:47B4gderI am
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09:45:20thephilosopherB4gder: have those file ?
09:46:22thephilosopherB4gder: thanks a lot
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09:58:57thephilosopherB4gder: still there ?
09:59:35B4gderjust ask your question(s) and you'll find out!
10:02:17markunB4gder: I'm also happy to hear that rockbox reached the level of no-need-to-explain-what-it-is-when-mentioned :)
10:02:36thephilosopherthere were also a lot of tools
10:02:43havienwhats rockbox?
10:02:45thephilosopherdid you got those too ?
10:03:16havieni know
10:03:19B4gderthephilosopher: I'm not aware of any useful tools in that collection
10:03:24havienjust had to make a counterpoint to markun :)
10:03:32markunI thought so :)
10:03:33GodEaterI think scorche missed the joke there
10:03:46thephilosopherB4gder: ok i see i thought there were an sdk or something
10:03:57*scorche thought he heard a whooshing sound
10:04:01thephilosophermaybe device driver
10:04:15B4gderhavien: it was in regard to this
10:04:18haviendoesn't sdk = "source code" for all intents and purposes
10:04:28B4gderthephilosopher: nope
10:05:29B4gderand for what it's worth, I don't want to be the hub of distributing tcc proprietary stuff to the world
10:06:40thephilosopherB4gder: understood
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10:18:27B4gderone of the main obstacles are the nand driver for the D2 (and probably P2 as well)
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10:33:18thephilosopherB4gder: yea i read that
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10:51:17amiconnB4gder: Why not 22 Sep, 17:44 CEST (equinox)?
10:52:32B4gderhehe, a fine moment indeed but I can't make that time
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11:10:01markungevaerts: did you set 0x3CF000F0 to 1 when you setup the LCD registers to try and display something?
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11:12:50markundenes: when you have some things working on your M3, can you send me a patch or put it in the tracker so we can commit it?
11:14:52markundenes: btw, what are you working on now? Still the display code, or the touch sensor?
11:18:53markunaccording to this site the M3 also uses the QT1106, so maybe it's indeed a timing problem:
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11:55:47voldemarHello everybody! I have sansa c150 player and i want to install there a rockbox for sansa c100, so i have 2 questions: 1) Will it work? 2) how to make a backup of current firmware? dd if=/dev/sda of=backup.bin ?
11:56:15J-23Rockbox c100 port isn't complete.
11:57:14voldemarok, then i'll better wait until release. What about the backup?
11:58:17J-23AFAIK you don't need to backup your firmware, because Rockbox just installs on the player without overwriting original firmware.
12:00:13voldemarthere is said: To upgrade the firmware, the file player.rom needs to be copied to the root of the device. Upon reboot, the user is prompted to upgrade. If yes is selected, the firmware is upgraded and the file deleted from the FAT partition. A reboot is required to actually start the new firmware - the existing version will continue to run. Based on the observation that the existing firmware continues to run after a firmware update,
12:00:13voldemar it would seem that the firmware itself is executing from RAM, rather than executing in place from a ROM.
12:00:49voldemarwell, it's copied to the root of the device... how then i restore if something goes wrong?
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12:16:16voldemarwill dd if=backup.bin of=/dev/sda work?
12:16:34voldemaror file transfering is handled by the firmware too?
12:17:33J-23AFAIK file transfers are controlled by firmware.
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12:42:43linuxstbvoldemar: The c100 hides parts of the disk from USB, so a "dd" doesn't do a full back. But you can't install on a c100 yet anyway - the port is still in the very early stages.
12:43:46linuxstbAn eventual Rockbox install will involve you writing a dual-boot "player.rom" to your device, and you will uninstall Rockbox by writing an unmodified player.rom.
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12:44:11voldemarso it will be a dual-boot anyway?
12:44:18voldemarthat's good
12:44:37voldemarhow much size does the rockbox use on player?
12:44:46voldemarthe minimal installation
12:44:54voldemari mean firmware
12:45:21linuxstbA few MB, I'm not sure exactly.
12:45:50linuxstbYou can download a build for another device and look for yourself - they are just zip files that you extract onto your player's filesystem.
12:46:40voldemaranother question - i have c150, will the c100 rockbox work there?
12:48:42GodEateryes - we use c100 to desribe the entire c1xx range.
12:49:01voldemarthank you guys
12:55:03voldemarthe last question: is there any way to 'rip' player.rom from the player?
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12:56:44MrHacksGood Morning!
12:56:57voldemarMrHacks, hi!
12:57:26*MrHacks has an H100 question
12:58:09BigBambiThen just ask it
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13:00:38MrHacksI've had a good run with rb the past few days. But now I turn on the device and it is not turning on, or mounting. I have the remote attachment (which I have not been using lately) and tried to boot it up but the background light on the remote is the only thing that turns on. I've made several attempts to boot it and use the reset button on the bottom, but no luck.
13:01:08BigBambiIs the battery charged? Have you tried with it on AC?
13:01:13MrHacksIn short, the light is on (the remote) but nobody is home.
13:01:17MrHacksFully charged
13:01:36BigBambiAh sorry, missed the bit about the remote backlight
13:01:58BigBambiAnd the backlight on the main unit doesn't switch on at all?
13:02:31MrHacksThe remote has a smaller display, but one similar to the device.
13:02:44MrHacksThe main unit light does not turn on
13:02:50BigBambiI know, I have a H100
13:03:12BigBambiIt sounds horribly hardware related
13:03:23MrHacksit does.
13:04:21MrHacksI think it stopped working when I plugged in my thumbdrive in the USB slot next to the one the cable connected to the device was plugged in.
13:04:47BigBambiMaybe a surge then, but normally there should be protection against that
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13:05:05BigBambiBut perhaps if the USB port was out of spec it could have killed it I suppose
13:06:12MrHacksWhat I do know is that it is not bricked. If a light is on, it still must be working.
13:06:21GodEaterLinusN is Mr. "Fix your iRiver H100 if you broke it" - but he's a) in sweden, and b) short on time. But perhaps if you asked very nicely he might volunteer to take a look.
13:06:42BigBambiIt might not be still working at all
13:07:21BigBambiMany bits of hardware can break - The first thing that's get turned on might be the signal to remote backlight, and then it gets stuck initialising the USB chip or something
13:08:02*MrHacks plugs in the device to the AC charger. Green light is on. Remote light is off.
13:08:16BigBambiSome lights on my dash come on in the car when I turn the key but that doesn't necessarily mean the engine will start
13:09:47*MrHacks presses play on the remote. Remote light back on. Remote light turns off after short delay from inactivity.
13:10:10MrHacksThat doesn't sound dead to me.
13:10:24BigBambiIt doesn't turn on though does it
13:10:40BigBambi13:06BigBambi Many bits of hardware can break - The first thing that's get turned on might be the signal to remote backlight, and then it gets stuck initialising the USB chip or something
13:11:45havienlinux boot disk, and lsusb? to see if the pid/uid changed by chance or if HAL can adapt to it?
13:12:10BigBambihavien: ?
13:12:30BigBambiIf it won't turn on I don't see how lsusb will help
13:12:54havienohh nm
13:12:59havienmissed the remote light
13:13:03havienread it as back light
13:13:17BigBambiIt is a back light on the remote - it has a lcd
13:13:42BigBambiBut it is only the backlight, and not even the backlight on the main unit as well
13:13:46havienrealized that afterwards
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13:22:44gevaertsmarkun: no
13:24:57*MrHacks pressed the play button on the main unit. Remote light turns on.
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13:27:29havienusualy sudo
13:27:46havienwhat kind of device?
13:28:02MrHacksbrb, getting some breakfast
13:28:08havienany sata drives or other usb drives?
13:28:32MrHacksComputer HD is SATA
13:28:44havienwhat ver of linux?
13:29:08B4gderdmesg shows what device names it is found as
13:29:09MrHacks2.6.25 Fedora 8
13:29:32havienshould be...
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13:29:41haviensudo mount /dev/sdb1
13:29:46havienalthough running
13:29:52haviensudo fdisk -l
13:30:03havienwould tell you what devices you have
13:30:29havienfirst one should be
13:30:43haviensudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/blah
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13:31:06BigBambihavien: Could you put sentances on the same line? It makes it easier to read and doesn't clutter the logs.
13:31:41havientrue trying to keep commands seperate from normal text. but i see when logging yea...
13:31:55gevaertshavien: you can use quotes
13:32:06haviendidn't occur to me at the time
13:32:17BigBambinot a big problem :)
13:32:54J-23hmm, how many things are there to do with e200v2 port?
13:33:46B4gderhow many things?
13:33:55B4gdermake rockbox run
13:33:57havienMrHacks it could be sdb1 sdc1 sdd1 sde1
13:34:00BigBambiJ-23: Haven't you asked this before? And wasn't the answer then still that progress is the in the thread in the forums, have a read of it?
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13:36:31LambdaCalculus37J-23: The answer is not going to change overnight, you know/
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13:50:21markungevaerts: I notice that it's set in the OF. Check page 511 of the manual.
13:50:50markunI'll check the M3 firmware to see if it's set to 1 by any chance
13:51:28markuneh, to 2
13:51:29markunand it is
13:51:42gevaertsmarkun: I haven't actually done very much yet
13:54:09markungevaerts: did you try to set any of the 39200000 registers?
13:54:23markunah, I thought you had
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13:54:40B4gdersim normal bootloaders
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14:03:17markunwhat could be the use of "MOV R0, #0", "BIC R1, R1, R0". It does nothing, right?
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14:12:58havienmoves #0 into R0 then binary compare of R1 to R0 i think
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14:18:33linuxstbhavien: No, BIC is Bit Clear - in that case, "R1 := R1 AND NOT R0", so yes, it does nothing...
14:19:27linuxstbmarkun: I would guess just a #define which happened to be zero, and the compiler didn't optimise it away
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14:22:31markunlinuxstb: yes, could be. I see it many times in a function.
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16:12:54funmanhey there ;)
16:13:17funmanso what about your plans of buying a sansa clip ?
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16:17:41MarcGuayBagder: Is there a project policy on what's allowed to be hosted in the wiki? Thinking about protected data sheets specifically.
16:18:19funmancopyrighted stuff which are not redistributable are illegal I guess
16:18:35funmanunless the wiki is hosted in russia maybe
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16:24:59MarcGuayIf that's the case, I suppose the Datasheets wiki page could use a scrub. It's unfortunate given the wealth of information in there.
16:25:55funmanthings are illegal only once the police found it
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16:34:01MarcGuayfunman: Does that fly as a policy, though? It would be nice to have one so that we can know when we're potentially putting someone (or ourselves) into a legal grey-area.
16:34:39funmanI don't know much rockbox organization (if there is any)
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16:36:56linuxstbMarcGuay: I think the policy is generally that if the datasheets in question were publically available (e.g. on the manufacturer's website), then we mirror them on our wiki in case they ever disappear. But yes, strictly speaking, it's probably infinging copyrights. But afaik, no-one has ever complained.
16:37:24linuxstbBut as Bagder/Zagor/LinusN are responsible for the server, I would say it's their choice.
16:37:33*GodEater agrees
16:38:11MarcGuaylinuxstb: As well as their legal liability? Any idea if the uploader/linker has any accountability?
16:38:25funman"ask a lawyer" ;)
16:38:31*linuxstb is not a lawyer
16:38:33funmanif it's not for any profit there is no risk
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16:38:45linuxstbfunman: That's far from true...
16:39:05funmanlinuxstb: do you know of any past events ?
16:39:58domonokyit also depends on the law in the country where our servers are.. so we would need to ask a swedish lawyer :-)
16:40:04GodEaterfunman: just because we make no money from it, does not mean we present no threat to businesses that own this information. We *can* hurt their bottom line, whether we charge for our work or not.
16:40:18MarcGuaytoffe82: Any word on that PPT?
16:40:48funmanGodEater: I just assume if it was problematic they would send a cease and desist letter and the files would be removed immediately
16:40:53funmanin doubt, just leave them ..
16:42:01GodEaterme personally, I think that's irresponsible - but it's not my server.
16:42:04linuxstbI'm guessing Bagder et al think the datasheets are useful enough (and the risk is small enough) to keep them.
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16:42:38funmansome rules are needed:
16:42:42funman#1 don't speak about the datasheets
16:42:45funman#2 don't speak about the datasheets
16:43:02linuxstb#3 don't speak about rules #1 and #2
16:43:18MarcGuayFair enough, that's good enough for me.
16:43:45funmanis there a rockbox application to repair damaged headphones ?
16:44:01linuxstbBut seriously, I agree we should have a policy decision (from Bagder et al)
16:44:15kugelfunman: 128x64 / 8 ?
16:44:23funmanlcd screen size
16:44:35funman1 bit per pixel
16:44:45kugelfunman: I guess you're talking about the clip screen, but still, is it really only 1bit?
16:44:58funmanyes it's monochrome
16:45:01kugelI seem to remember the clip display even has colors
16:45:05funmanbmp files were found in the of
16:45:14funmanthe top 32 lines are yellow
16:45:18funmanand bottom 96 blue
16:45:29funmanbut I bet it's not software controllable ;)
16:45:42funmanyou can see the difference with the screen off
16:46:51kugelah that makes sense
16:47:11funmanor maybe it's a bit less than 32, but that doesn't matter atm
16:47:32kugelthen we're probably better trying to edit the logo on a e200 first
16:47:53funmanproblem is me & atomikpunk only have clip
16:47:58kugelbtw, my fuze will probably replaced
16:48:50kugelfunman: time to buy a e200 then :D
16:48:55funmanis it at the shop ?
16:49:05funmankugel: i resigned from work I need my € :'(
16:49:21linuxstbfunman: Are you sure about the clip's screen? I would think it more likely that the LCD hardware is colour, but to save RAM, the OF stores bitmaps as mono images?
16:49:27kugelyes, it is. I got a mail today, which sounded like they replace it
16:50:00funmanlinuxstb: they do not use colors at any time in the OF
16:50:30funmanand the top lines are _physically_ differents from the other
16:50:37kugelit sounds more logical to me to use 1 2bit screen, instead of 1part 1bit blue and 1 part 1bit yellow
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16:50:48kugelbut I don't know
16:51:06funmanI think they use this trick for lower mem usage (monochrome only)
16:51:40kugeljudging from the pics at abi, there's a noticeable "line"
16:53:16funmanlinuxstb: I am not sure but I said I would bet, so "how much" ? :p
16:53:17kugelfunman: so, you need a minimal fat driver? How does the of load code? I guess there's a fat driver
16:53:31funmankugel: first I need access to nand :)
16:53:33gevaertslinuxstb: IIRC it's not LCD, it's OLED
16:53:52kugelfunman: *given that you can access the nand
16:53:54*linuxstb decides to stop speculating and do some work
16:54:27funmankugel: I think yes or we can repartition it
16:54:43funmanyes it's the simplest solution !!
16:54:49funmani'm stupid
16:55:28kugelI just thought of accessing raw data at a fixed address instead of using a driver
16:55:46kugelwouldn't that be possible?
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16:59:24Strife89Are there any plans yet for a definite release date for Release 3.0?
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17:01:27LambdaCalculus37Strife89: 23 September.
17:01:48Strife89Arr, that be me birthday!
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17:02:56LambdaCalculus37Bagder: We need to make a birthday release for Strife89 now. ;)
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17:04:44Strife89Wasn't 9/23/07 the day Rockbox was ported the the Sansas?
17:04:58Strife89That's when I got my c250.
17:05:41linuxstbStrife89: A Rockbox port doesn't happen in a day...
17:06:00funman_it's a long way
17:06:05Strife89I mean, when the port was finished.
17:06:10linuxstbIt was finished?
17:06:23markunI don't think it's possible to say which a port got started or when (if ever) it got finished
17:06:28Strife89Let me try again.
17:06:42markunwhich -> when
17:07:10Strife89Wasn't 9/23/07 the day that working Rockbox builds were made availible for the Sansas?
17:07:17linuxstb2007-03-11 was the day audio playback was announced for the e200 - that's when we consider a port becomes usable
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17:07:50funman_2007-05-27 when non-britney_spears audio playback was announced
17:07:53linuxstbNothing interested happened on 2007-09-23 -
17:08:12LambdaCalculus37Strife89: According to the c200 first played sound on 2007-08-30.
17:08:47Strife89I must've read something wrong, then.
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17:09:08Strife89I discovered Rockbox on 12/26/07
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17:10:00linuxstbYes, we guessed that, but it's not a helpful format...
17:10:02LambdaCalculus37Strife89: Well, the c200 port was first made available roughly around 23 Sep 2007.
17:10:13LambdaCalculus37IIRC about a day or two before.
17:10:34Strife89THAT'S probably where I got the thought, then.
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18:03:33gevaertsmarkun: have you looked at the OF LCD register settings in detail yet?
18:03:48markungevaerts: no, but I'm looking at it right now
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19:07:36MrHacksGood news! My H100 is still alive. The screen is very faint. It is stuck in the bootloader.
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19:11:26MrHacksThe message on the screen: "I00 at 40102004"
19:11:46MrHacksTried booting it up again, it dies when I let go of play.
19:11:52MrHacksThe message on the screen: "I00 at 40102008"
19:11:58MrHacksthat is a new message
19:13:06MrHacksThe LCD is doing all this goofy stuff when I hold play and push the center of the joy stick
19:13:24MrHacks"*PANIC* Hx"
19:13:56MrHacks"I00 at 40102008"
19:15:36Strife89Sorry, we're not ignoring you or anything......
19:15:56Strife89We're all talking about food on #rockbox-community. :)
19:16:32MrHackswell, I guess I can come back later and let you know what happens. :-)
19:18:00Strife89Hang on....
19:19:52MrHacksI think it may be the power system. It feels warm when I plug it in.
19:20:32MrHacks"I00 at 40102000"
19:20:41MrHacks"I00 at 40102004"
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19:21:02LambdaCalculus37MrHacks: If you want to, you can also check out the Misticriver forums for some information. Maybe someone there may have some advice on what's going on with your H100.
19:21:20MrHacksdo you have a link?
19:21:59LambdaCalculus37Sorry, no one here seems to be able to help right now. You can come by later if you'd like.
19:22:28MrHacksplan to. Thanks, Lamb
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19:23:49saratogahow do people feel about commiting the MP3 sythesis on COP patch?
19:24:07saratogait seems to be quite stable for me, and no errors have been reported
19:24:28LambdaCalculus37saratoga: As long as the build table's green and clean... ;)
19:24:58gevaertssaratoga: I'm in favour
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19:34:57saratogaactually, it might be nice to get it working on all PP targets before committing
19:35:21saratogaright now it only works on the 128k IRAM players just because I haven't gotten around to figuring out how to save 2KB of IRAM
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19:39:20rshakinis there a plugin to read books or text files on rockbox
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19:41:34BigBambirshakin: If by read you mean you do the reading, then yes there is a text viewer. If you mean read as in read it to you (text to audio) then no
19:42:04LambdaCalculus37rshakin: If you mean an ebook viewer, then no, there isn't one.
19:42:54BigBambiUnless it is text
19:44:12rshakinok cool, well simple text viever will do
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19:44:38sylfrHi all !
19:44:48sylfrI try to install rockbox on a 5G ipod
19:44:55sylfrcan some one help me ?
19:45:02BigBambisylfr: Have you looked at the manual?
19:45:19sylfrNo really
19:45:29BigBambiThen please do
19:45:34BigBambiIt was written for a reason
19:45:36sylfrI tried to isntall iPodLinux several times, but i can't
19:45:41sylfrYes, i know.
19:45:45BigBambiThis isn't ipodlinux
19:45:48sylfrI just wanna Ask a question
19:46:02BigBambiPlease do
19:46:16sylfrI heard that with rockbox, you dont need partitionning, is it real ?
19:46:27BigBambiThat is true,
19:46:41BigBambibut your ipod needs to be a winpod - i.e. fat32 formatted, not mac
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19:47:15sylfrOK, well, my iPod is fat32, 5G
19:47:24sylfrit would work ? im gonna try
19:47:33BigBambiThen you are good to go - the manual contains full instructions
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19:47:42sylfrYes, im gonna read it
19:47:50sylfrI stay it for any other question.
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19:47:53BigBambiPlease make sure you read it - you won't be very popular if you ask questions that it answers :)
19:47:57sylfrThank you !
19:48:05BigBambino probs
19:48:08LambdaCalculus37This tool makes installation easier:
19:48:22BigBambiLambdaCalculus37: It is also linked from the manual...
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19:48:40BigBambiI think it would be better to get to it via the manual, as the manual explains other things too
19:49:56LambdaCalculus37BigBambi: That's true.
19:50:12mmiller_toffe82: FYI, the problem with my gigabeat was that the USB cannot charge it if the battery is completely empty. I used an AC charger, and everything works fine. However, I did try booting it with the battery off, and it didn't work. I might see about submitting a patch for that.
19:50:33BigBambimmiller_: With the battery switch off?
19:50:49mmiller_Yes, with the battery switch off.
19:50:50BigBambiI believe that that completely cuts power - nothing we can do about it
19:51:07BigBambi(disclaimer: I might be talking rubbish here)
19:51:27mmiller_It even cuts AC power? I'm able to turn it the battery switch off while it's running, but I can't boot with it turned off.
19:51:35BigBambiah OK
19:51:44BigBambiWell, as I say I'm not sure
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19:52:10BigBambiBut either way, as Rockbox is at the moment the Toshiba bootloader runs first, so there is nothing in Rockbox you can do
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19:52:34BigBambiI think someone is working on replacing that altogether with a flashed rockbox one, but I don't know quite where that is
19:53:52mmiller_Actually, rockbox boots and shows the low power message. I think the issue is that firmware/powermgmnt.c checks for low battery (calling sys_poweroff) but doesn't take into account that it may have AC power.
19:54:14BigBambimmiller_: OK, I thought you meant it wouldn't turn on at all
19:54:22BigBambiIn that case, then yes, go for it :)
19:54:49mmiller_Great, I'll take a look into it.
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20:10:48guest1doesnt rockbox work with iPod nano 2G?
20:11:08Bagdernot if 2G means 2nd gen
20:11:14guest1yes 2 gen
20:11:25BigBambiguest1: Because no one has done the hige amounts of work it would take
20:11:39BigBambiIt is encrypted, new hardware, undocumented, ....
20:11:51guest1is there any customization i can do to the ipod nanos firmware at all?
20:11:56guest1i understand
20:12:03BigBambiI don't know, but that is off topic here
20:12:14LambdaCalculus37You should ask Google.
20:12:15guest1yeah ... i guess it is sorry
20:12:27guest1thanks for your time!
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20:12:31BigBambino problem
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21:00:39thephilosopherlooking for information on the TCC78 (D2 and P2)
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21:15:15TheDeadAngel666Hie all, It's possible to install (or compile) Rockbox on Vibe 500 of Packard Bell? (scuse me for my approximatly english.. i'm french...)
21:15:35gevaertsTheDeadAngel666: no
21:16:01TheDeadAngel666It's not possible? or it's not "test" ?
21:16:48BigBambiIt is not possible
21:16:59gevaertsAudio players are not like PCs. They are all different
21:17:00BigBambiAnd don't worry about being French, you'll get over it :)
21:17:19funmanit gets better over time
21:17:36funmanne t'inquiète pas
21:17:47TheDeadAngel666Thank's funman
21:18:40TheDeadAngel666I search an alternative 'os' for my player... It 's very quickly...
21:19:02funmansorry :/
21:19:47LambdaCalculus37No one is working on a port to the Vibe 500.
21:19:49TheDeadAngel666not* very...
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21:20:05TheDeadAngel666merci quand même
21:20:10BigBambide rien
21:20:14TheDeadAngel666lot of thanks
21:20:32TheDeadAngel666not very serious or urgent.
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21:27:22amiconnsaratoga: You also need to make sure mpa.codec still compiles & works on single core
21:27:38amiconnLast time I checked, the patch didn't do that
21:29:43saratogaamiconn: the latest version seemed to work fine for me
21:29:45saratogawhen did you test?
21:32:11amiconnQuite some time ago, before it started working in test_codec
21:32:17saratogaah ok
21:32:53saratogai'll probably try and get it working on my dying 3G and then commit it
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21:58:25*amiconn noticed yesterday that rockbox has a fundamental bug in filesystem handling on non-hotplug targets wrt usb
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21:59:27amiconnThe filesystem is remounted after usb, which is correct, but open files are not closed by force
21:59:54dionoeahaha, awesome topic :)
21:59:56amiconnThis might cause all sorts of filesystem corruption after usb mode
22:00:01gevaertsAre there open files at that point?
22:00:12funmandionoea: \o
22:00:23funman(i don't have a parrot smiley)
22:00:25amiconnThere can be open files, depending on target
22:00:46funmanamiconn: can't you close all fd at unmounting ?
22:00:57dionoeafunman: hey funman. So, how's the SD/fat bootloader driver going?
22:01:09funmanstill a dream
22:01:10amiconnfunman: We can, but we don't do so right now
22:01:50funmanoh oh
22:02:03funmanI just found something that could transform the dream in a short time
22:02:04amiconngevaerts: *usually* there shouldn't be any, because threads should close them before acknowledging usb
22:02:14funmanfragilematter: ?
22:02:25gevaertsamiconn: yes, that's what I was thinking
22:02:50amiconnBut then "should" isn't an enforcement
22:03:38fragilematterfunman: ?
22:03:58funmancan you look something in your firmware ?
22:04:01amiconnThe Ondio keeps the voice file open and loads clips on demand (for speed reasons), and I'm not so sure the file is closed before usb
22:04:09funmanfirst check out the firmware size: xxd x.bin|head -2
22:04:11amiconn(voice has no separate thread on hwcodec)
22:04:18funmanit's the before-last group of 4 hex digits
22:04:27funmanfor me "28d2" "0100"
22:04:33funman(0x1d228 bytes)
22:04:43funmanand xxd x.bin|grep "28d2"
22:04:51amiconnThis file is only open for reading, so no fs corruption should result from it, but it could confuse the talk code
22:04:56funmancount how much references you have to "28d2 0100"
22:05:13funmannot including 0x0 and 0x200 because they are the header and we know them already
22:05:32gevaertsindeed. Best to enforce it I guess
22:05:41fragilematter0000010: 0300 0000 5024 0000 4000 [0000 0100] 0000 ....P$..@.......
22:05:50fragilematterI guess you're talking about those between []
22:06:09funmanhm no
22:06:12funmanthe first line
22:06:25fragilematter0000000: 0000 0000 4a90 ec30 ed00 0000 1cd8 0100 ....J..0........
22:06:41amiconnEnforcing it would reveal files which stay open when they shouldn't
22:06:41funmanyour rom file is 0x1d81c bytes
22:07:44gevaertsYes. It's probably a good idea to add some logf()s there
22:08:34fragilematterthere are probably about 60-70 lines... excluding the offsets that include 1cd8
22:09:49funmanhum count only the ones followed by '0100'
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22:10:14fragilematterincluding 0x0 and 0x200
22:11:16funmanI see 6 includign them
22:11:24funmancan you check the offsets in disassembled code and see how it looks like ?
22:11:40funmanah no 7 also
22:11:47funmanthe 2 firsts: header
22:11:59funman3rd: it's used as a starting offset by OF to memset(0)
22:12:12funman4th : i don't understand I don't see it being used after being loaded
22:12:22funman5th/6th in the middle of nowhere; not referenced ..
22:12:30funman7th: gonna check :P
22:13:17funman7th same: in the middle of nowhere
22:13:42funmancan you modify mkamsboot to replace these offsets by the 'new' firmware size ?
22:13:51fragilematterfirst is a sub in my disassembly
22:14:05funmandid you substract 0x400 to the offsets ?
22:14:15fragilematteri rushed
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22:15:13funmanwhile(size_in_words−−) if(buf[size_in_words] == old_size) buf[size_in_words] = new_size;
22:15:29funmanalso you should put a counter and assert 7 occurences
22:15:39funmanor 5 if you skip header
22:16:03fragilematteryou're talking about stuff above and beyond my programming skills :D
22:16:42funmanI make a new patch
22:16:58fragilematterthe first occurence is in the first piece of code being executed on startup
22:18:06fragilemattersecond in a sub that has something to do with CreateTaskFileSystem
22:18:14funmanbut i don't see it being used after
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22:18:31funmanit's given on the stack
22:18:33funman2nd argument
22:19:05fragilematterat an offset + a variable (var18 in my code)
22:19:51fragilematter3rd is in the middle of nowhere
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22:21:01fragilematter4th is at 0x10 after the 3rd, they're between 0 padding
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22:22:33fragilematterand the 5th someplace weird - lots of 0es and some hex values
22:23:30funman can you try that ?
22:23:37funmanfragilematter: yes it may be in a data segment
22:23:45funmanwithout 'close' code
22:24:29funman shorter (tabs preserved)
22:24:59fragilematterthe patch is for the vanilla ams utils, right?
22:25:22funmanwith svn i can't do diff-to-diff :(
22:25:39funmanthere is a git repository for rockbox on but I think it's outdated
22:26:13funmanwhen we start coding we should open a git tree to synchronize all of us before proposing a patch for rockbox
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22:30:47fragilematternow updating
22:30:55fragilematterand yes it did call memmove
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22:32:23fragilematterit booted and it's working
22:32:55funman\o/ ?
22:33:08funmanshall I do this to my clip now .. :/
22:33:22fragilematterCalling memmove(buf + 0x00020200,buf + 0x0001de00,0x00edfe00)
22:33:24funmanatomicpunk first he has 2 :)
22:33:37funmanfragilematter: and what if you try with 0x100 instead of 0xff ?
22:33:37fragilematter2 boots in a row and working fine ;)
22:33:48funmanline ~185
22:34:10funmanand ~265 (2 times)
22:34:12fragilematterhmm... let's hope I won't have to pop the lid off again to unbrick it :D
22:34:27funmanthe rom size is 128kB so it should 'just fit'
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22:35:24fragilematter0x200 * 0xff => 0x200 * 0x100
22:35:28funmanthat would leave us with ~8kB still small but nearly 10 times bigger !
22:35:34funmanyes it's the first occurence
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22:36:06fragilematter /* Update firmware block count */
22:36:07fragilematter put_uint32le(&buf[0x08], 0xff);
22:36:07fragilematter put_uint32le(&buf[0x208], 0xff); <- both of these
22:37:03fragilematterCalling memmove(buf + 0x00020400,buf + 0x0001de00,0x00edfc00)
22:37:15funmanyarrr ahr
22:37:59fragilematterwas that supposed to be pirate speak matey or you spotted an enemy ship?
22:38:26funmanit meant "quick reboot it !!"
22:38:43funmanlisten to one song and plug it back on usb to see if all is right
22:39:02fragilematterflashing now :P
22:39:05fragilematterquick flash too
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22:39:40fragilemattercool logo animation, familiar blue sansa...
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22:39:42*funman sweats
22:40:06*funman barfs
22:40:10fragilematterdoctor, the patient is alive
22:40:18funmanwhat's the heartbeat ?
22:40:29funmanshould be 250000000 pulsations per second
22:40:35fragilematter~250Mhz when it's breaking a sweat
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22:41:27funmani'll tweak the patch a little and post it on the forum
22:45:44funmanMaximum bootloader size: 8356 bytes
22:46:02fragilematterbetter than 1K :))
22:47:35funmanyes but I don't have anything useful to fill this space :(
22:47:42Bagderwhere did the extra space come from?
22:47:55funmanend of the ROM, after the OF
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22:48:30Bagderso you could append it to the file or fill out some padding?
22:48:35funmanI have posted the diff on the forum so someone tries it on a "brickable" device
22:48:38fragilematterconfirmed and working on e200v2 until now :)
22:48:43funmanBagder: relocating the whole file
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22:49:00funmanoh and we delete what's at the end of the file .... we should really check that ...
22:49:05Bagdercool, so why is it limited to 8356 bytes?
22:49:10funmanrom is 128kb
22:49:20Bagderrom yes
22:49:22funman128kB - OF size
22:49:29Bagderas in read only memory
22:49:43funmanas the only memory we can write with a firmware upgrade, and then access at boot
22:49:46fragilematteras in firmware without libraries
22:49:47Bagderis that a nor flash you mean?
22:50:04funmanI don't know which hardware it is exactly
22:50:11fragilematterit's on the nor before the filesystem on e200v2
22:50:12funmanbut I know that's the only place we can store and run code
22:50:19bluebrotherwouldn't it be better to post patches to the tracker and link to the task instead?
22:50:21funmanit's also there
22:50:23BagderI find referring to something as "rom" rather... 80s-style ;-)
22:50:28funmanbluebrother: i have posted one already
22:50:38funmanhum which other word then?
22:50:49funmanthe 'magical' chip :p
22:50:56Bagderroms tend to be unmodifyable after factory
22:51:10ameyerhence the "ro"
22:51:35Bagdermodern designs usually have flash memories
22:51:46funmanthe datasheet mentions ROM
22:52:01Bagderyes, and I believe it refers to a rom
22:52:15Bagderare you sure the OF gets stored in that on upgrade?
22:52:33funman"mask programmable ROM"
22:52:45funmanyes i'm sure
22:52:53funmanI tried writing to the memory area at boot and I can not
22:52:54Bagderthen it probably is!
22:53:03funmanit's a nor flash ?
22:53:18funmanie ROM as "usually ROM except when you write to it"
22:54:39funman"ROM contains the following: bootloader."
22:54:59Bagderyes, it says nothing about it being a flash
22:55:06Bagderso I stand corrected
22:55:52funmanwhat ever it is, it's a 128kB read only memory area we can modify
22:56:01funmanread only at runtimeù*
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22:57:10Bagderbut that is a bootloader code that loads OF from "disk", right?
22:57:27Bagderso it could also be possible to change the parts that are loaded by that loader
22:58:08funmanit could but that require a lot of RE
22:58:09fragilematteron the nand dumps that I've made there is the OF then, after ~30MB we have a standard fat header
22:58:31funmanand I think lower amount of RE is needed to get a nand driver
22:58:51funmanwe have located the interesting areas already
22:59:01funmanwe just need more time to read and re read and re re read it ;)
22:59:11Bagderwhy would that take more RE?
22:59:23funmanit is higher level
22:59:43funmanand then more used I gess
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22:59:57funmanwhile the low level driver is more condensed
23:00:02funmanameyer: Reverse Engineering
23:00:19*ameyer should have understood that
23:00:21Bagderthere will be point that gets executed where a switch could be ibjected
23:00:23Bagderexactly like you've done in the rom parts
23:00:27Bagderjust a different spot
23:00:38funmanyes I see ..
23:00:48sylfrHi !
23:00:52funmanbut the library blocks use several references to the "ROM" part
23:00:55funmanand the inverse is true also
23:01:03funmanso we may destroy the "initialisation" function pointer
23:01:06sylfrI just installed RockBox on my iPod, it rocks
23:01:11funmanand when the block loads, it crashes
23:01:17sylfrAnd I "RTFM" :D
23:01:19funman+ we end with already initialised OF
23:01:44sylfrBut I just don't find : how I can use CD covers with rockbox ? where I must put them ?
23:01:49sylfrSomeone knows ?
23:01:52funmanthat was the first solution I think but looking more into it it was forgotten
23:02:08funmansylfr: I don't know but I think it must be in the manual or the wiki
23:02:16bluebrothersylfr: check the wiki for AlbumArt
23:02:34sylfrbluebrother: OK, i'm gonna do it, thanks
23:02:45*bluebrother checks ... yep, the page name is even exactly AlbumArt
23:02:48funmanBagder: the OF doesn't load a code block and branch to it
23:02:54funmanit loads a "mp3 decoder"
23:02:57funmanor a "ogg decoder"
23:03:02funmanor "wma drm handler"
23:03:12Bagderoh so the "loader" is the entire firmware then basically?
23:03:23funmanso there is a lot more to understand on the library block format
23:03:33Bagderok, then I understand a lot more. thanks
23:03:35funmanyes in part
23:03:41funmanit does implement other basic functions
23:03:41merbananIf I have a fixedpoint fft routine with Qx.y notation, how do I identify x and y just by looking at the assembly ?
23:03:46funmanyou are welcome ;)
23:03:59funmanI think if I had come when the firmware format was not figured yet I would have given up
23:04:13funmanso thanks to you and the others who started this work
23:04:56funmanthat's still no excuse for bricking 3 of my players :'(
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23:05:23funmaneh I did it on purpose so that's my problem ;)
23:06:47funmanBagder: now that I hold you, have you worked on sansav1 nand / sd driver ?
23:07:32sylfrHm, the page is :
23:07:33sylfrIt doesn't look very nice, but so complicated
23:07:44sylfrNevermind, it's not very important
23:07:49sylfrTanks !
23:07:59sylfr*Thanks of course
23:08:16Bagderfunman: no I didn't do much on that, I think dan_a was involved though
23:08:26funmanah nice
23:08:48Bagderyou saw this doc, right?
23:08:57Bagderit explains the e200v1 setup
23:09:17funmanI did not read the full content but I got the concept
23:09:27funmanindeed Daniel Ankers is dan_a
23:10:02funmanI asked you because it was on your site
23:10:39funmanwith 8kB room we can write code in C also ;)
23:10:59funmanno more "shitiforgottopushlr"
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23:12:11funmanstep debugging with 1 minute between each steps is exhausting :s
23:14:40funmanwhat's at the end of the file looks random
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23:14:47funmanmaybe we should mesure entropy to be sure?
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23:22:32pixelmaBagder: do I remember correctly that the bounce plugin is yours?
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23:25:56pixelmahmm... not sure if it's your bug then ;) ...but maybe you would like to look into it and if it's a quick fix... I noticed that on colour targets first the clock and the "Rockbox" line is drawn in the user set foreground colour, but if you switch to the other mode and back - it is drawn in black. That looks a bit weird on the dark default background now...
23:27:36Bagderthe colorization of it was done by someone else, I did it b/w! ;-)
23:27:51pixelmaI see
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23:32:40funmanwell it's not exactly random
23:32:57funmanI see much more occurences to 0-127 (ascii) values but no concrete strings
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23:51:17dany_21afunman: just read the recent thread-posts for the sansaV2 - have been busy lately... but now i have some time, if you have something i could test on a e200 just tell me what... no problem if i "brick" it (can easily unbrick)
23:52:18funmandany_21a: thanks, now we need to test something on the sansa clip, but afaik there's nothing else at the moment
23:52:42funmanare you "the" daniel_at ?
23:53:29funmanah yes there is a test: just write a bootloader which fits in 1kB ;)
23:53:40dany_21aokay... if something will fit for the e200, just post at the thread
23:54:02dany_21afunman: yes... thats my nick at the forum
23:54:10funmanok :)
23:54:49funmanI expect atomikpunk to come on irc in some minutes
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23:55:52dany_21aokay... maybe ill just play a bit around and try to update myself to the recent findings
23:57:04funmandid you light your button led yet ? ;)
23:57:41dany_21ano...havent played with my sansa for weeks - maybe that would be a nice experiment
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