| 00:00:40 | BigBambi | OK, import duties :) |
| 00:00:46 | andi__ | is it possible to figure out the version without actually having physical access to the player, i.e. any serial number on the box |
| 00:00:52 | gevaerts | No |
| 00:02:47 | andi__ | ok thanks |
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| 00:06:21 | Kopfgeldjaeger | andi__: the seller i bought from wrote the firmware number in the article description. and both my v2 (which i returned to amazon) and my v1 had a working hardware radio |
| 00:08:23 | webguest40 | hey does anyone know how to get pictureflow working in my sansa e260? it says no album art found then i get a plug in error? Do I need song to be in a specific folder or what? |
| 00:08:39 | bluebrother | does album art work at all? |
| 00:08:39 | BigBambi | Is the database initialised? |
| 00:09:01 | webguest40 | initialised? |
| 00:09:09 | webguest40 | well how do i get it to be initialized |
| 00:09:12 | Kopfgeldjaeger | webguest40: the same thing happened when i tried that on my e260. but when i tried it again, it worked. may have to do something with the database, yeah |
| 00:09:25 | BigBambi | webguest40: The manual contains all the answers |
| 00:09:36 | * | pixelma gets annoyed by more and more small bugs one can find when looking closer just for updating the documentation :/ |
| 00:09:44 | webguest40 | i cnt display manual |
| 00:09:58 | webguest40 | im on my phone |
| 00:09:59 | BigBambi | pixelma: Is there anywhere I can help? |
| 00:10:07 | pixelma | BigBambi: on pictureflow and album art? I doubt it |
| 00:10:15 | BigBambi | pixelma: On the manual |
| 00:10:39 | bluebrother | there is a html version of the manual available. |
| 00:10:43 | pixelma | my first sentence referred to the infos you can find in the manual |
| 00:10:45 | saratoga | do i have to change PLUGIN_API_VERSION if I add a function to the end of the plugin stuct? |
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| 00:11:02 | bluebrother | directly linked from the manual download page. So if you can display CGI::IRC you can display the manual. |
| 00:11:15 | BigBambi | pixelma: Right, but I was talking about database initialisation |
| 00:11:32 | BigBambi | Which AFAIK is in the manual :) |
| 00:11:33 | amiconn | saratoga: yes |
| 00:11:37 | saratoga | thanks |
| 00:11:52 | amiconn | That value needs to be changed whever the plugin api struct changes |
| 00:12:09 | webguest40 | where does PICture flow look for Albums??? |
| 00:12:12 | amiconn | If the change is backwards compatible (i.e. adding to the end), change only that |
| 00:12:23 | BigBambi | webguest40: Does album art work? |
| 00:12:36 | webguest40 | hwo shoudl I KNOW?? |
| 00:12:40 | bluebrother | webguest40: is the database initialized? |
| 00:12:47 | BigBambi | webguest40: By playing music |
| 00:12:48 | webguest40 | i updated |
| 00:12:54 | bluebrother | webguest40: use a theme that supports album art and play some track? |
| 00:12:56 | amiconn | If the change breaks backwards compatibility, you also need to increase PLUGIN_MIN_API_VERSION to the same value as PLUGIN_API_VERSION |
| 00:12:59 | BigBambi | webguest40: Do you see album art when playing music? |
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| 00:13:05 | webguest40 | I have Cabbie 2.0 theme |
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| 00:13:14 | BigBambi | which should show album art |
| 00:13:42 | BigBambi | So if cabbie v2 is not showing art, then you don't have it set up properly - see www.rockbox.org/wiki/AlbumArt |
| 00:13:47 | webguest40 | no album art on my cabbie 2.0 |
| 00:13:56 | webguest40 | it works on normal firmware |
| 00:14:03 | pixelma | BigBambi: tucoz recently posted this todo list http://pastebin.com/m21bd966a (did only one thing already - the pegbox screenshots). I'm currently fixing some small mistakes in plugin descriptions and noticed that some are undocumented: e.g. matrix, pictureflow, invadrox, superdom. Not sure what can be done about it until tuesday |
| 00:14:03 | BigBambi | Irrelevant |
| 00:14:05 | Kopfgeldjaeger | webguest40: that's in the wiki. cover.bmp in the right folder should work for example |
| 00:14:07 | webguest40 | there acutally is a album art :o |
| 00:14:08 | bluebrother | we do not care about the original firmware. |
| 00:14:12 | webguest40 | mmk |
| 00:14:24 | bluebrother | again, we don't care about it. |
| 00:14:34 | bluebrother | the OF is only for usb mode :) |
| 00:14:34 | webguest40 | i know im saying it does work in original like it does hav album art.. |
| 00:14:48 | BigBambi | Which is irrelevant |
| 00:14:56 | bluebrother | and not of interest to anyone here |
| 00:15:02 | saratoga | no the build table |
| 00:15:16 | BigBambi | webguest40: Rockbox is completely different to any of the many original firmwares that the many different players in runs on use |
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| 00:15:33 | gevaerts | saratoga: not too bad ;) |
| 00:15:50 | BigBambi | pixelma: I'll happily do some tomorrow |
| 00:15:57 | bluebrother | Rockbox is a _replacement_ firmware. As in, it has nothing in common with the original firmware. As in it doesn't care how the original firmware handles things. |
| 00:16:46 | BigBambi | Which original firmware is also a valid point here - the iriver ones? The iaudio ones? The apple ones? The toshiba ones? etc etc |
| 00:17:07 | pixelma | the Archos ones? ;) |
| 00:17:27 | BigBambi | yep :) |
| 00:17:30 | bluebrother | the sandisk one? The olympus? |
| 00:17:47 | * | BigBambi points out he got tired of typing and added etc :) |
| 00:17:51 | amiconn | Archos? And which one? |
| 00:17:57 | bluebrother | any manufacturer we haven't covered yet? |
| 00:18:12 | webguest40 | back so I just put a BMP in with the song so itll find it? oh btw MR einstein thank you for correcting me a thousand time when it is unneccsary :) |
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| 00:18:35 | BigBambi | no, read www.rockbox.org/wiki/AlbumArt |
| 00:18:41 | * | bluebrother gets annoyed by some webguest |
| 00:18:43 | webguest40 | i did] |
| 00:18:52 | BigBambi | And surely you want to be corrected if you are asking for help and wrong |
| 00:19:01 | bluebrother | and did you actually try it? |
| 00:19:09 | BigBambi | He obviosuly didn't |
| 00:19:09 | amiconn | saratoga: yellow |
| 00:19:54 | * | bluebrother considers it annoying having a guide, follwing it and before actually trying asking again if it's a 100% safe operation |
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| 00:21:49 | saratoga | just once i'd like to have a big commit go through without breaking something |
| 00:24:10 | saratoga | noooooo the build table |
| 00:25:04 | BigBambi | Does anyone have a handy script to build all the sims? |
| 00:25:42 | pixelma | ah hwcodec |
| 00:26:06 | gevaerts | BigBambi: I have one (changed from Bagder's buildall) |
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| 00:27:07 | amiconn | saratoga: Hwcodec doesn't have all that advanced threading crap ('cause it doesn't need it) |
| 00:27:16 | BigBambi | gevaerts: Could you link/send/whatever is easiest it to me? |
| 00:27:26 | saratoga | amiconn: i didn't realize that, whats the proper check for it? |
| 00:27:31 | saratoga | ifdef SWCODEC? |
| 00:28:49 | gevaerts | BigBambi: gevaerts/buildall-linuxsims.txt">http://www.evonet.be/~gevaerts/buildall-linuxsims.txt (not .pl, I don't want trouble...). It marks things as 3.0RC though, you'll have to change that back if you want trunk |
| 00:29:03 | BigBambi | gevaerts: OK, thanks |
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| 00:30:43 | saratoga | or rather I guess #if (CONFIG_CODEC == SWCODEC) |
| 00:31:16 | amiconn | yes |
| 00:31:25 | amiconn | The semaphore functions are what is swcodec only |
| 00:31:56 | amiconn | They're declared in codecs.h, as grep tells me |
| 00:32:24 | amiconn | event_ too |
| 00:32:39 | amiconn | thread_thaw is all-targets |
| 00:32:48 | saratoga | do you want the other functions on hwcodec if nothing is currently using them? |
| 00:33:28 | amiconn | Well, the general philosophy is that if a function needs to be exported *and* that function is available on all targets, it should be exported for all targets |
| 00:33:55 | amiconn | As this is a quick fix, you don't need to change the api version again, imo |
| 00:34:12 | amiconn | Just put all but thread_thaw() in an SWCODEC block |
| 00:35:29 | soap | congrats on the MP3 synthesis on COP, saratoga. I'm giddy with excitement. |
| 00:35:46 | amiconn | The reason for this philosophy is that if you #ifdef out a function, and another target later needs it, it would break backwards compatibility for that target, and sinec we don't define the api versions per target, we'd need to break it for all targets |
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| 00:36:53 | amiconn | Another reason is that it makes it easier for developers. Less #ifdefs-> better readable, and it's less likely to confuse a plugin developer (why does my plugin not build on target Y??) |
| 00:37:03 | bluebrother | saratoga: nice improvement. Too bad most of my music is ogg ... *hint* ;-) |
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| 00:39:47 | saratoga | bluebrother: jhMikeS and I discussed applying this approach to Vorbis, WMA and AAC as well |
| 00:40:02 | saratoga | they're just not as slow so it made less sense to start with them |
| 00:40:40 | saratoga | well that and I have more single threaded optimizations in mind for those codecs anyway |
| 00:40:52 | bluebrother | good point. |
| 00:41:30 | saratoga | though if anyone else wants to get into codec optimizing, please don't let me get in your way |
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| 00:48:24 | * | pixelma can't think anymore and would need a nice sentence describing the bookmark feature of the text viewer |
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| 00:51:30 | bish | can anyone help me with trying to get cover flow thing to work? i put the bmp cover in with the artist folder and renamed it to cover and it still wnt show in pic flow?? |
| 00:52:01 | bluebrother | does it show in the wps? |
| 00:52:14 | bluebrother | is the database initialized? |
| 00:52:39 | * | BigBambi gets a feeling of deja vu |
| 00:52:43 | * | bluebrother points out that bish is the same as webguest40 :D |
| 00:53:14 | bish | ? |
| 00:53:21 | bluebrother | ! |
| 00:53:38 | BigBambi | The answers are the same as when you asked them as webguest40 |
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| 00:54:07 | bish | webguest40? btw database is initialized |
| 00:54:33 | BigBambi | And does album art work in the WPS? |
| 00:54:44 | bish | where do i find the wps |
| 00:55:03 | BigBambi | Play some music? |
| 00:55:13 | bish | hold |
| 00:55:26 | BigBambi | bish: You were here not long ago as webguest40. We can see from your IP address |
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| 00:56:52 | bish | it shwos in wps but cnt find in flow |
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| 01:00:56 | bluebrother | have you rebooted after initializing the database? |
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| 01:01:15 | bish | yeh now i cnt find artist in database |
| 01:03:05 | amiconn | saratoga: Why didn't you simply use #ifdef CPU_PP ? |
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| 01:06:57 | amiconn | Also, now it won't be possible to compile a single core build for PP, and it seems like single core wastes some ram |
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| 01:07:36 | amiconn | Ah, it's a single pointer (iiuc) |
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| 01:08:06 | dany_21a | anyone here, who can help me with variables in the rockbox-TWiki? (i mean defineing twiki-variables to provide some formating-helps) |
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| 01:13:32 | saratoga | amiconn: i asked you an hour or two ago what the proper define was . . . |
| 01:14:21 | amiconn | AH, hmm. T'was 2 hours ago actually :) |
| 01:14:40 | saratoga | i'm still experiementing with this, so it can be changed with a future commit |
| 01:14:43 | amiconn | Did you check whether performance changes on single core (i.e. coldfire)? |
| 01:15:09 | saratoga | I did not, just checked that it worked correctly on the Gigabeat |
| 01:15:40 | amiconn | hmm.... |
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| 01:18:25 | saratoga | i don't think the pointer changes should really matter, but if they do I can work on that |
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| 01:21:08 | pixelma | dany_21a: what do you mean? |
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| 01:23:13 | dany_21a | okay... already found some solution... was just a formating problem... now i have a other problem... all in all: want something like this: |
| 01:23:56 | dany_21a | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaV2FWHacks |
| 01:25:05 | dany_21a | only problem is: need to store the variable-definition in WebPreferences - Bagder, i think you have write-rights there... could you help me? |
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| 01:26:15 | bluebrother | why such a code box? It only makes it harder to scroll it as you have to scroll the div element |
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| 01:27:00 | saratoga | wow WMA is quite slow on the gigabeat, I get that 192k needs 51MHz |
| 01:27:12 | dany_21a | bluebrother easyier to copy... ^A selects only code from one box - if there are more snippets |
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| 01:28:09 | bluebrother | ^A selects the whole page for me |
| 01:28:29 | saratoga | Vorbis too |
| 01:28:48 | saratoga | i wonder if the Tremor IMDCT doesn't work well on the Gigabeat for some reason |
| 01:29:28 | bluebrother | and it's really annoying if you scroll such a page −− as when hovering the box you're scrolling the box ... |
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| 01:29:49 | dany_21a | bluebrother: ah sh.... , had a <textarea> version prior - oversaved it with my old div version... |
| 01:30:29 | bluebrother | doesn't make the scrolling issue any better |
| 01:31:19 | dany_21a | no - thats true. i just thought its easier to get a big collection of different code-snippets onto one page |
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| 01:31:39 | dany_21a | ...whit this approach |
| 01:31:42 | dany_21a | *with |
| 01:32:01 | hallflukai | will rockbox ever be able to run on archos404 |
| 01:32:03 | hallflukai | ? |
| 01:32:05 | hallflukai | ? |
| 01:32:42 | gevaerts | If someone does the porting work |
| 01:32:54 | hallflukai | .... what does that mean |
| 01:32:58 | pixelma | bluebrother: do you know how I can force a newline in tex? |
| 01:33:10 | bluebrother | someone has to do a whole heap of work |
| 01:33:16 | hallflukai | ah |
| 01:33:42 | hallflukai | anyone here willing to do that? |
| 01:33:48 | bluebrother | pixelma: \par or \newline should do it (with the former starting a new paragraph) |
| 01:33:52 | bluebrother | hallflukai: no |
| 01:34:19 | hallflukai | oh dang :( |
| 01:34:28 | bluebrother | please read http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/NewPort |
| 01:34:40 | gevaerts | hallflukai: usually people owning the hardware do the work |
| 01:34:53 | hallflukai | so i should send them a request? |
| 01:35:21 | bluebrother | please read the NewPort page first |
| 01:35:41 | hallflukai | k tyvm |
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| 01:37:03 | hallflukai | nope. notin for teh archos404 |
| 01:37:34 | BigBambi | We know |
| 01:37:45 | BigBambi | That is what you have to do if you want Rockbox for it |
| 01:38:04 | hallflukai | what do you have to do? |
| 01:38:16 | BigBambi | All the things listed on the NewPorts page |
| 01:38:16 | bluebrother | this is a general page. Face it, that's the facts. |
| 01:38:50 | pixelma | bluebrother: it pretends that "there is no newline to end" there :\ |
| 01:39:02 | pixelma | -new |
| 01:39:27 | bluebrother | huh? What do you want to achieve? Add vertical space? |
| 01:39:45 | hallflukai | where is the newport page? |
| 01:39:48 | bluebrother | (i.e. put in multiple newlines without text) |
| 01:40:04 | bluebrother | hallflukai: use the link I mentioned several times now |
| 01:40:21 | hallflukai | i w as gone i think :P |
| 01:41:00 | bluebrother | no. You even responded after I posted the link |
| 01:41:16 | hallflukai | i did? |
| 01:41:19 | BigBambi | yes |
| 01:41:23 | hallflukai | i must not have been paying attention |
| 01:41:28 | bluebrother | you did. With some strange shortcut, which isn't wanted here BTW. |
| 01:41:34 | hallflukai | i have ados. attention deficet.... oooh shiny |
| 01:41:59 | * | bluebrother starts to get annoyed |
| 01:42:23 | saratoga | this reminds me, who can kick people from the channel? |
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| 01:48:10 | pixelma | bluebrother: hard to describe (in English at that time). I'm reworking the text viewer's menu description and have a problem with the nested menu structure - it's a bit like in the rockboy chapter (e.g. http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-h100/rockbox-buildch10.html#x13-20400010.3.6 ) and the "Options... > Max Frameskip" part. In my reworked file that would be "Viewer Options > Encoding" which currently appear on one line and not below each |
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| 01:49:51 | pixelma | the later items are fine. I used the same \begin{description} and \item setup there - only not the \ldots |
| 01:51:43 | bluebrother | hmm. Possibly you have to write \textgreater{} instead of > |
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| 01:52:49 | bluebrother | as for the Options... in the Rockboy chapter this has to be a nested description structure |
| 01:53:00 | pixelma | nah, I didn't use that in the tex file. This should explain the nesting here |
| 01:53:51 | pixelma | as I said, I set it up the same, except the dots |
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| 01:54:56 | pixelma | I think |
| 01:55:24 | bluebrother | I'm not sure if I got you correctly −− Rockboy put a description environment inside of an item. |
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| 01:55:47 | bluebrother | any reason you can't do this for the text viewer? |
| 01:56:47 | pixelma | I did |
| 01:57:41 | pixelma | but it seems to not want to work correctly with that one option |
| 01:57:46 | bluebrother | then it looks like I haven't understood your problem. Can you pastebin the code? |
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| 02:07:25 | pixelma | bluebrother: http://pastebin.ca/1207001 which looks like http://home.infocity.de/m.arnold/temp/viewer.png - I'd like to have the "Encoding" on the next line, indented |
| 02:07:43 | pixelma | like "Word Wrap" etc. |
| 02:08:23 | pixelma | not sure about the long encoding settings paragraph btw. |
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| 02:16:25 | pixelma | I also wonder whether the list is "upside down" by the way (Quit on top etc.) but this is the order in which the options appear on my targets |
| 02:16:50 | bluebrother | pixelma: this seems to be an issue with the pdf −− when checking the rockboy chapter in the pdf output it looks like your problem, but the html output has the break |
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| 02:21:05 | pixelma | hmm... true, why didn't I check? *mumbles something about being late* |
| 02:21:55 | pixelma | I mean the time |
| 02:22:59 | bluebrother | but the behaviour in the pdf isn't nice. |
| 02:23:14 | * | bluebrother noticed the time a bit ago ;-) |
| 02:23:34 | pixelma | yeah, I think so too (about the pdf issue) |
| 02:25:40 | thephilosopher | why didnt the rockbox projet take the linux kernel as kernel ? |
| 02:26:05 | bluebrother | because ipodlinux already did that. |
| 02:26:13 | * | bluebrother hides |
| 02:26:51 | bluebrother | Rockbox started on the archos players. Those have very limited CPU and memory. I can't think of any way to make the linux kernel run on those |
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| 02:26:58 | pixelma | why should it? |
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| 02:28:40 | thephilosopher | pixelma: to laverage all the device drivers and stuff |
| 02:28:51 | thephilosopher | plus new DAP are really powerfulll |
| 02:29:07 | gevaerts | thephilosopher: quick quiz : when did rockbox start? |
| 02:29:17 | thephilosopher | gevaerts: i am really new |
| 02:29:31 | gevaerts | thephilosopher: you are, but rockbox isn't ;) |
| 02:29:49 | BigBambi | Linux is complete overkill for DAPs |
| 02:30:04 | gevaerts | Also, how many of our devices are supported by linux? I guess less than 10% |
| 02:30:09 | thephilosopher | BigBambi: i really dont think so.... |
| 02:30:10 | bluebrother | another question: how should the linux leverage device drivers and stuff if there aren't device drivers for the hardware used? |
| 02:30:35 | BigBambi | thephilosopher: The rockbox kernel is much smaller, faster, .... etc and thus much more suited to low power low memory devices |
| 02:30:43 | amiconn | The linux kernel is far too big for _really_ embedded devices |
| 02:30:59 | thephilosopher | i guess , i am really not a specialist |
| 02:31:07 | gevaerts | thephilosopher: how much RAM does the sansa clip have? Can the linux kernel ever fit? (yes I know, rockbox currently also wouldn't fit...) |
| 02:31:22 | BigBambi | There is an enormous amount of extra stuff in the linix kernel than just isn't necessary here |
| 02:31:25 | amiconn | thephilosopher: Can you make linux run on a device with an 11MHz CPU, 2MB of RAM, and then still have 75% of this RAM available for buffering music? |
| 02:31:27 | gevaerts | (this is a new DAP...) |
| 02:31:58 | thephilosopher | aof course the kernel would have to be clean up a litle |
| 02:32:04 | BigBambi | a little? |
| 02:32:04 | amiconn | That is, squeeze the kernel, plus the player application, in ~500KB of RAM |
| 02:32:22 | bluebrother | then you get ... the Rockbox kernel with a different API? |
| 02:32:34 | bluebrother | so what's the gain? Additional work? |
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| 02:32:47 | BigBambi | You really should look at the differences between the Rockbox kernal and the linux kernel and compare them to the contraints of the devices Rockbox works on before commenting |
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| 02:33:04 | BigBambi | * kernel *constraints |
| 02:33:39 | thephilosopher | BigBambi: i saw the kernel structure... and it look really archique, so i ask why |
| 02:33:57 | BigBambi | archique? |
| 02:33:57 | gevaerts | What's wrong with it? |
| 02:34:06 | * | gevaerts guesses archaic |
| 02:34:12 | BigBambi | ah yes |
| 02:34:15 | thephilosopher | gevaerts: yea my english is bad |
| 02:34:28 | BigBambi | thephilosopher: It is small, fast, efficient, and does what is needed |
| 02:34:45 | BigBambi | linux is big, slower, does many more (to us) useless things, .... |
| 02:35:03 | bluebrother | now make drivers kernel modules. What's the use of this on a dap? |
| 02:35:24 | * | gevaerts doesn't see what's archaic about rockbox |
| 02:35:29 | * | BigBambi neither |
| 02:35:50 | thephilosopher | BigBambi: yea my point is that with the new dap , with that still be true ? |
| 02:35:53 | BigBambi | Having said that, I know nothing about the internals :) |
| 02:36:12 | BigBambi | thephilosopher: Why stick something (relativly) big and bloated on when it isn't necessary? |
| 02:36:33 | BigBambi | Why not needlessly use up still limited resources? |
| 02:36:38 | BigBambi | -not |
| 02:36:40 | bluebrother | thephilosopher: well, just compare Rockbox and Ipodlinux. |
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| 02:36:49 | gevaerts | thephilosopher: so the question is, seven years ago, knowing that in 2008 there would be new DAPs, why didn't they use linux even if it didn't fit the players available then? |
| 02:37:11 | BigBambi | And still isn't the best answer now IMO |
| 02:37:31 | thephilosopher | gevaerts: yea exactly |
| 02:37:39 | BigBambi | thephilosopher: eh? |
| 02:37:43 | bluebrother | ROTFL :) |
| 02:37:50 | BigBambi | gevaerts was disagreeing with you |
| 02:38:12 | gevaerts | thephilosopher: well, then the answer is : the rockbox project's official crystal ball was broken and needed repairs |
| 02:38:22 | thephilosopher | gevaerts: i guess so |
| 02:38:35 | BigBambi | eh? |
| 02:39:05 | thephilosopher | i am not an expert but the work on the rockbox kernel seem redondant now |
| 02:39:14 | BigBambi | why? |
| 02:39:21 | bluebrother | some special reason: just using linux instead of writing an own kernel would have cut all the fun :) |
| 02:39:28 | BigBambi | It is *still* smaller and more efficient than linux |
| 02:39:31 | gevaerts | No. The work on linux is redundant, as rockbox is the better solution for DAPS |
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| 02:39:46 | bluebrother | thephilosopher: this is nonsense. Kernels can be quite different, and the Rockbox kernel is really different from the linux kernel. |
| 02:39:51 | BigBambi | Why stick something big and slow on just bbecause it is now possible? |
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| 02:40:27 | bluebrother | why use an unsuited kernel if you can use a suited kernel as well? |
| 02:40:28 | thephilosopher | bluebrother: what i say is that the :effeciency" you guys are talkng about is not really important anymore |
| 02:40:33 | BigBambi | yes it is |
| 02:40:35 | thephilosopher | or soon wont be |
| 02:40:39 | BigBambi | Yes it will |
| 02:40:41 | gevaerts | thephilosopher: if linux is so much better than rockbox for DAPs, why is ipodlinux much less popular than rockbox, and why is there no linux port for the other players? Surely linux has much more interested developers... |
| 02:40:44 | bluebrother | thephilosopher: is is absolutely important. |
| 02:41:01 | gevaerts | thephilosopher: 5% efficiency loss equals 5% shorter runtime |
| 02:41:10 | bluebrother | I want my player to run 14h rather than 2h. |
| 02:41:19 | BigBambi | For a battery powered portable device efficiency is everything |
| 02:41:39 | thephilosopher | BigBambi: that a good point ... |
| 02:41:49 | thephilosopher | but Mac os on the touch |
| 02:41:55 | BigBambi | Not full Mac OS |
| 02:42:03 | thephilosopher | and win ce on the zune show that it can be done... |
| 02:42:14 | BigBambi | Win CE does not equal windows |
| 02:42:15 | thephilosopher | BigBambi: we are talking about kernels here.... |
| 02:42:16 | amiconn | And it's not just the efficiency itself, also some other concepts |
| 02:42:28 | amiconn | E.g. memory management |
| 02:42:34 | bluebrother | yep. Use windows mobile, make the system slow and fat, and decrease battery runtime |
| 02:42:41 | * | BigBambi gives up |
| 02:42:54 | thephilosopher | bluebrother: dont find the zune to be that slow... |
| 02:42:55 | bluebrother | why do you think does Rockbox increase the battery runtime for several players? Using magic? |
| 02:43:18 | thephilosopher | BigBambi: i see your point ... lol |
| 02:43:25 | bluebrother | thephilosopher: then use a less powerful cpu instead. |
| 02:43:45 | bluebrother | point is, we want to work with less powerful devices than the zune, and therefore the linux kernel isn't suitable. |
| 02:43:48 | gevaerts | thephilosopher: have a look at the sansa clip. It's a new player, on the market today. Now run linux on it |
| 02:43:57 | bluebrother | if *you* want to work with powerful devices only, feel free so. |
| 02:44:28 | BigBambi | Even then linux/win ce/whatever is an inferior choice for a music/video player IMO |
| 02:45:10 | thephilosopher | gevaerts: look at sony new walkman series... |
| 02:45:21 | thephilosopher | we can find example on every side that prove any point |
| 02:45:28 | BigBambi | No, you can't |
| 02:45:41 | thephilosopher | BigBambi: i just name 3 |
| 02:45:44 | gevaerts | thephilosopher: rockbox can handle large devices just fine |
| 02:45:44 | thephilosopher | named |
| 02:45:48 | BigBambi | Just because it *can* run linux (or whatever) doesn't make it better to do so |
| 02:45:53 | bluebrother | "CPUs are fast enough so we can waste CPU / battery / ... power" isn't a point. |
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| 02:46:16 | amiconn | thephilosopher: This just proves that linux and wince *can* run on *some* new daps. Not that it's a good choice to do so. |
| 02:46:16 | gevaerts | thephilosopher: we could also use oracle for the tag database. Surely that's a good idea! |
| 02:46:29 | thephilosopher | does rockbox have wifi/bleutooth ? |
| 02:46:47 | bluebrother | it's like this java crap: it was dog slow in the beginning, and only because computers are faster now doesn't make it any better (and in fact it's still slow whenever I use a java program) |
| 02:46:53 | BigBambi | I could leave all the taps in my house on permanently - there is enough water. That doesn't make it a good idea |
| 02:47:18 | BigBambi | thephilosopher: not currently, but if someone were to write one it could |
| 02:47:20 | bluebrother | which supported players have wifi / bluetooth? |
| 02:47:29 | thephilosopher | none |
| 02:47:36 | BigBambi | ergo it is not needed |
| 02:47:41 | thephilosopher | my point is that those module are allready in the linux kernel |
| 02:47:43 | bluebrother | let me think ... none. So there's no point. Why have a bluetooth stack if you don't need it? |
| 02:47:45 | thephilosopher | and wouldnt be needed |
| 02:47:50 | bluebrother | nonsense. |
| 02:48:08 | bluebrother | you most likely would need to write a new device driver for the specific hardware present in the player |
| 02:48:21 | gevaerts | thephilosopher: ok, so my previous question again : how many of the sound and lcd chips in our currently supported players have linux drivers? |
| 02:48:43 | BigBambi | my pc can already play music, so why bother with a dap? |
| 02:49:04 | thephilosopher | gevaerts: not many... the point ? |
| 02:49:05 | bluebrother | my stereo can play music, so why bother with mp3? |
| 02:49:22 | BigBambi | thephilosopher: That if you have to write them anyway, what is the advantage of linux? |
| 02:49:26 | advcomp2019 | thephilosopher, i think linux on a dap is overkill and lots of maybe wasted space in my opinion |
| 02:49:37 | gevaerts | thephilosopher: that's my question. We must use linux because it has all drivers. But it hasn't |
| 02:49:38 | BigBambi | advcomp2019: We all do except thephilosopher |
| 02:50:05 | * | BigBambi thinks this is a pointless discussion. He isn't going to get it |
| 02:50:07 | ze | overkill can be great though |
| 02:50:26 | thephilosopher | BigBambi: yea i dont think i can get it |
| 02:50:28 | bluebrother | like in coffee overkill? Nah. |
| 02:50:43 | thephilosopher | let s the future tell us the truth |
| 02:50:50 | BigBambi | indeed |
| 02:51:02 | gevaerts | thephilosopher: you keep telling us things, and when we refute them you turn that around and pretend that you proved your point |
| 02:51:11 | ze | the future lies, and the past is a slut |
| 02:51:17 | BigBambi | I'am confident it will show that you are talking nonsense |
| 02:51:19 | bluebrother | indeed. |
| 02:51:27 | BigBambi | ze: please don't |
| 02:51:37 | thephilosopher | ze lol |
| 02:52:04 | thephilosopher | gevaerts: what ? you just get what i am saying dint blame me |
| 02:52:09 | bluebrother | this is a technical channel, not a philosophical one. Or did I miss something? |
| 02:52:33 | * | bluebrother blames thephilosopher for the lost time |
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| 08:28:47 | vitja | gevaerts: it seems that you use same endpoint for tx and rx? |
| 08:29:45 | vitja | btw endpoint descriptor is filled so 0x81 and 0x01 |
| 08:31:12 | vitja | we may want to define USB_ENDPOINT_(IN|OUT) |
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| 08:52:43 | amiconn | s/make/perform/ |
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| 10:01:28 | amiconn | Hmm, the mipsel compiler does not build on my build server |
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| 10:05:44 | * | linuxstb reads yesterdays commits and wonders why saratoga didn't use HAVE_SEMAPHORE_OBJECTS and HAVE_EVENT_OBJECTS in plugin.[ch], and NUM_CORES to decide when to use the COP |
| 10:06:29 | JdGordon | because thre kernel api isnt documented well/at all? |
| 10:06:37 | JdGordon | the* |
| 10:07:26 | linuxstb | It's completely documented by the source... I just looked to see what #ifdefs were used around the definitions of the semaphore and event objects. |
| 10:07:57 | linuxstb | s/objects/functions/ |
| 10:17:08 | amiconn | saratoga (for the log): My speed test results for dualcore libmad: PP5002 (G2): 183%->303% rt (65% speedup), PP5020 (Photo): 203%->366% rt (80% speedup). PP5022 (Mini G2): 217%->383% rt (76% speedup) |
| 10:18:18 | amiconn | Single core check (MCF5249, H1x0): 445%->449% rt, so basically no change (lies within the cache aliasing uncertainty) |
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| 10:34:25 | Tobby | hi.. |
| 10:36:51 | Tobby | Is there any people? |
| 10:37:48 | advcomp2019 | Tobby, yes |
| 10:38:02 | linuxstb | Tobby: Many, but you need to ask a question first... |
| 10:38:30 | Tobby | hmmm, so RockBox isn't based on Linux , right? |
| 10:38:41 | linuxstb | Right |
| 10:40:58 | Tobby | and, I've just installed the font package in the installer, but when I switch language, it turns into a mess |
| 10:41:42 | linuxstb | What language are you trying to use, and which font? Not all fonts include glyphs for all character sets |
| 10:42:12 | Tobby | Traditional Chinese |
| 10:42:58 | linuxstb | See http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UnicodeFonts |
| 10:43:30 | linuxstb | You'll need to select one of those fonts - or use a theme using one of those fonts |
| 10:44:28 | ajonat | Hi! I've been reading the manual and didn't find anything about how to make rockbox "sleep" so it resumes faster when pressing a key.. could you guys give me a hint? |
| 10:45:08 | linuxstb | It can't. |
| 10:46:46 | ajonat | great.. it's not a big deal but i wanted to know anyway |
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| 10:48:52 | Tobby | Who knows when ipodlinux.org will be repaired? |
| 10:49:23 | linuxstb | The people in #ipodlinux |
| 10:50:28 | Tobby | oh okay~ |
| 10:55:27 | Tobby | what kind of script does RockBox support? |
| 10:57:09 | * | ameyer doesn't think that rockbox supports any type of script |
| 10:57:59 | linuxstb | Tobby: What do you mean by "script"? |
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| 10:59:51 | linuxstb | Tobby: If you mean character encodings, see here - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UnicodeGuide |
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| 11:10:34 | vitja | I'm going to commit this vitja/bootloader-allow-printf-wrap.diff">ftp://stop.qc.to/vitja/bootloader-allow-printf-wrap.diff can anyone take a look and ack this? |
| 11:14:01 | linuxstb | vitja: It's debatable if that's needed - bootloaders should know the LCD size in advance, so can just format text appropriately. But I see it's a small patch... Why do you want it? |
| 11:14:32 | vitja | linuxstb: very useful for debugging... |
| 11:15:22 | vitja | linuxstb: now I'm writting usb driver and messages are cutted |
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| 11:16:14 | vitja | btw usbmon crashes kernel :( |
| 11:19:49 | linuxstb | vitja: I'm not sure. I can see it being useful, but on the other hand that function is used by many different bootloaders, and it seems unnecessary for normal (i.e. not debug) use. So you could wait to see what others think. |
| 11:20:40 | vitja | ok |
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| 12:07:16 | JdGordon | saratoga: I got a bloody sdl app runing on my phone! pity its a few months late though :p |
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| 12:20:16 | amrossi | hi all |
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| 12:20:33 | amrossi | i've a little problem with rockbox and my ipod 4GB |
| 12:21:04 | amrossi | i try to install this http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility#Download |
| 12:21:49 | amrossi | i download the .bz2 file |
| 12:22:21 | amrossi | decompress and ./rbutilqt |
| 12:22:58 | amrossi | i see the GUI, now i go to change button and i select the mount point and the version of my IPOD (4GB) |
| 12:23:15 | amrossi | so i go to Complet Install and Mistake |
| 12:23:43 | amrossi | such as NO IPODS found |
| 12:23:48 | amrossi | why? |
| 12:23:52 | amrossi | i don't understand |
| 12:24:10 | ender` | which ipod do you have? |
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| 12:27:32 | amrossi | like this |
| 12:27:34 | amrossi | http://hitech.dvd.it/multimedia-player/mmp/apple-ipod-nano-4-gb-3-generazione-silver/dettaglio/id-1028773/ |
| 12:28:19 | amrossi | Apple ipod 4gb 3^ generation (silver) |
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| 12:29:51 | amrossi | autodetect dosn't works |
| 12:30:24 | BigBambi | amrossi: Is it a nano 3rd Gen? |
| 12:30:42 | amrossi | yep |
| 12:30:49 | BigBambi | Rockbox doesn't work on that |
| 12:30:57 | amrossi | :-( |
| 12:31:03 | BigBambi | The models it works on are listed on the front page of www.rockbox.org |
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| 12:42:35 | amrossi | with my ipod, can i use Linux? |
| 12:43:02 | linuxstb | Yes, Rockbox doesn't require any special PC-side software. |
| 12:44:19 | amrossi | sorry, i don't understand |
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| 12:45:03 | linuxstb | What don't you understand? |
| 12:47:46 | amrossi | ok, with my Ipod... rockbox dosn't work so i cannot use linux on my ipod |
| 12:48:11 | desowin | you want to use linux *on* ipod, or computer with linux with ipod? |
| 12:48:13 | amrossi | i would like rockbox to listen .ogg music file |
| 12:48:24 | amrossi | linux ON ipod |
| 12:48:32 | linuxstb | Then no |
| 12:48:57 | amrossi | is there a possibility to listen ogg file on my ipod? |
| 12:49:30 | linuxstb | Not until Rockbox (or another replacement firmware) is ported. |
| 12:50:22 | amrossi | :-( |
| 12:51:32 | amrossi | no good |
| 12:51:37 | BigBambi_ | sorry... |
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| 12:51:49 | linuxstb | There are many other portable music players apart from the newer ipods... |
| 12:52:01 | linuxstb | Some play vorbis natively, others can run Rockbox. |
| 12:52:07 | amrossi | i know...but i've this |
| 12:52:13 | * | linuxstb shrugs |
| 12:52:19 | amrossi | 14o euro |
| 12:52:31 | amrossi | i cry |
| 12:53:29 | linuxstb | How long ago did you buy it? |
| 12:54:05 | linuxstb | (and did you buy it online)? |
| 12:55:24 | amrossi | about 3 weeks |
| 12:55:49 | amrossi | no, i buy it from a local shop |
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| 12:56:20 | amrossi | there is ipodlinux project |
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| 12:56:32 | BigBambi_ | Which also does not run on newer ipods |
| 12:57:13 | amrossi | wow |
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| 12:57:56 | amrossi | is there a particular library that allow me to write into ipod Db with linux, is it correct? |
| 12:58:12 | BigBambi_ | That is off topic for here |
| 12:58:19 | desowin | amarok handles iTunesDB just fine |
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| 12:58:44 | BigBambi_ | amrossi: Newer ipods are encrypted and have new undocumented hardware. Until someone breaks the encryption (looking rather unlikely) nobody can even think about trying to discover how the hardware works |
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| 13:17:48 | gevaerts | vitja: yes. The PP controller doesn't have that sort of limitations on endpoint numbers, so I chose to use matching endpoint numbers together |
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| 13:24:42 | Sylvai1 | Hi |
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| 13:42:37 | Sylvai1 | Hi |
| 13:42:45 | Sylvai1 | I have a problem with rockbox |
| 13:43:27 | * | gevaerts grabs his crytal ball |
| 13:44:25 | gevaerts | Sylvai1: we can't help if we don't know what your problem is |
| 13:44:33 | Sylvai1 | Yes. |
| 13:45:00 | Sylvai1 | It is : I have some album which are compilations |
| 13:45:19 | Sylvai1 | And I would like rockbox to sort them in one folder "Various artists" |
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| 13:45:54 | Sylvai1 | e.g : "/Music/Various Artists/Compilation/track.ogg" |
| 13:46:12 | Sylvai1 | But it makes one directory by artist who performed on the album |
| 13:46:34 | Sylvai1 | e.g. : "/Music/One artist/great album/01 - track.ogg" |
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| 13:46:51 | Sylvai1 | then "/Music/Other artist/great album/02 - track.ogg" |
| 13:47:03 | Sylvai1 | then "/Music/Other artist2/great album/03 - track.ogg" |
| 13:47:05 | Sylvai1 | etc.... |
| 13:47:08 | desowin | you mean database? |
| 13:47:12 | Sylvai1 | Yes |
| 13:47:18 | desowin | if so, then you should tag files correctly. |
| 13:47:33 | Sylvai1 | I read I should edit "Album artist" tag, and put something like "Various artists" |
| 13:47:45 | Sylvai1 | But I don't find something to edit this tag |
| 13:48:02 | Sylvai1 | Is there anything but iTunes which can edit this tag ? |
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| 13:48:39 | Sylvai1 | I run Linux (Ubuntu), and I tried several tag editors but I didn't find one which can edit this *** tag. |
| 13:49:27 | Sylvai1 | desowin: my files are correctly tagged |
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| 13:49:48 | Sylvai1 | desowin: But I don't know how to edit "Album artist" tag |
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| 13:51:58 | gevaerts | Sylvai1: you can always use vorbiscomment manually |
| 13:52:43 | Sylvai1 | gevaerts: manually ? You mean I should put a comment in the ogg file using the "Comment" tag ? |
| 13:52:51 | gevaerts | No |
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| 13:53:37 | Sylvai1 | What do you mean, so ? |
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| 13:53:46 | gevaerts | vorbiscomment is a tool to manipulate "ogg tags" |
| 13:53:55 | Sylvai1 | Yes, I found this on my computer |
| 13:54:09 | Sylvai1 | And I can use it to set the "Album artist" tag ? |
| 13:54:31 | gevaerts | read the manpage |
| 13:54:48 | Sylvai1 | I did it, but it doesn't say if there is a tag |
| 13:54:55 | Sylvai1 | But it says to look at : http://xiph.org/ogg/vorbis/doc/v-comment.html |
| 13:54:59 | Sylvai1 | Im gonna do it |
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| 13:56:45 | Sylvai1 | Hmmm... there is not a "Album artist" tag. Should I use the "PERFORMER" tag ? |
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| 13:57:26 | gevaerts | I think you need "ALBUMARTIST" |
| 13:57:58 | Sylvai1 | I can add it ? |
| 13:58:20 | gevaerts | sure, why not? |
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| 13:58:40 | Sylvai1 | Ah, OK |
| 13:58:45 | Sylvai1 | I didn't know |
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| 14:08:48 | funman | hi |
| 14:09:02 | funman | I was looking for dan_a I saw him online on the sansav2 forum thread |
| 14:09:09 | funman | fdinel: hi |
| 14:09:14 | fdinel | o/ |
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| 14:09:59 | funman | hola atomik |
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| 14:10:04 | funman | :p |
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| 14:10:24 | funman | hola fdinel ;) |
| 14:10:33 | funman | don't mess with my nickname, eh ? |
| 14:10:36 | fdinel | haha |
| 14:10:38 | fdinel | same :P |
| 14:10:44 | funman | ok ^^ |
| 14:14:36 | liiwi | afternoon |
| 14:15:10 | funman | winter |
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| 14:32:34 | Sylvai1 | gevaerts: Sorry, I was out |
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| 14:32:49 | Sylvai1 | gevaerts: Are you there ? |
| 14:32:54 | * | gevaerts is here |
| 14:33:00 | Sylvai1 | OK |
| 14:33:35 | Sylvai1 | If i do sometinhg like vorbiscomment -t "ALBUMARTIST=Various Artists", RockBox should use this tag automatically ? |
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| 14:35:07 | gevaerts | Sylvai1: I think you need vorbiscomment -a -t "ALBUMARTIST=Various Artists" file.ogg newfile.ogg |
| 14:35:13 | Sylvai1 | OK |
| 14:35:17 | funman | yesterday I noticed clip's OF doesn't recognize lowercase comments |
| 14:35:31 | funman | even if the vorbis spec says it should be case insensitive |
| 14:35:37 | Sylvai1 | I can use the same in and out file, eg vorbiscomment -a -t "ALBUMARTIST=Various Artists" file.ogg file.ogg ? |
| 14:35:56 | funman | just use 1 file.ogg |
| 14:36:01 | Sylvai1 | OK |
| 14:36:04 | Sylvai1 | vorbiscomment -a -t "ALBUMARTIST=Various Artists" file.ogg |
| 14:36:07 | Sylvai1 | Is it ? |
| 14:36:13 | funman | it's detailed in the manual of vorbiscomment |
| 14:36:28 | gevaerts | Sylvai1: I don't think so |
| 14:36:39 | gevaerts | funman: doesn't that use standard output then? |
| 14:36:43 | funman | no |
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| 14:37:00 | Sylvai1 | Th manpage says : To simply add a comment: |
| 14:37:00 | Sylvai1 | vorbiscomment -a -t ’ARTIST=No One You Know’ file.ogg newfile.ogg |
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| 14:37:15 | gevaerts | Sylvai1: just try it with a copy |
| 14:37:19 | funman | it uses stdout when you read the tags |
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| 14:40:17 | Sylvai1 | I tried a test in console, have a look on : http://cjoint.com/?jvoN0fymjK |
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| 14:41:37 | gevaerts | Sylvai1: that seems to work then |
| 14:41:43 | Sylvai1 | Yes |
| 14:42:03 | Sylvai1 | And here is the command I use to put the tag in all my files : ~/Medias/iPod/Music/Artistes divers $ find . -type f -exec vorbiscomment -a -t "ALBUMARTIST=Artist Divers" {} \; |
| 14:42:05 | Sylvai1 | ~/Medias/iPod/Music/Artistes divers $ find . -type f -exec vorbiscomment -a -t "ALBUMARTIST=Artist Divers" {} \; |
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| 14:42:14 | Sylvai1 | find . -type f -exec vorbiscomment -a -t "ALBUMARTIST=Artist Divers" {} \; |
| 14:42:14 | Kick | (#rockbox Sylvai1 :Stop repeating yourself) by logbot!n=bjst@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-507a9318582de8ba |
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| 14:42:49 | Sylvai1 | Oups, sorry ! |
| 14:42:51 | Sylvai1 | find . -type f -exec vorbiscomment -a -t "ALBUMARTIST=Artist Divers" {} \; |
| 14:45:18 | gevaerts | That should do the trick then. |
| 14:46:18 | Sylvai1 | And it worked |
| 14:46:20 | Sylvai1 | Yes |
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| 14:50:32 | Sylvai1 | Thanks for all |
| 14:50:33 | Sylvai1 | bye |
| 14:50:47 | gevaerts | have fun |
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| 15:29:52 | JdGordon | does anyone know what playlist->first_index does? |
| 15:29:57 | JdGordon | or why its needed? |
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| 15:36:37 | JdGordon | is it actually important that the insert position is remembered across playlist restarts? |
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| 15:47:32 | JdGordon | arr.... playlist->first_index seems to always be 0! |
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| 15:54:35 | * | JdGordon loves talking to himself :'( |
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| 15:57:00 | Lear | JdGordon: It is always zero in bookmark files (i.e., it is written as a hardcoded zero), so I doubt it is important... |
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| 15:58:20 | JdGordon | im talkiing about regular playlists though... |
| 15:58:34 | JdGordon | i've done every playlist operation i can think of and its always 0 |
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| 15:59:22 | Lear | Doesn't look like it would be zero all the time when reading the code. I get the impression the meaning could be "first insert index" or somesuch... |
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| 16:00:14 | JdGordon | yeah, its something like that, but playlists are always started with the 0 being the first index... |
| 16:00:32 | JdGordon | I'm tihning its an artifact from the begining of the playlist code |
| 16:01:00 | JdGordon | apart from lines setting global_status, there is only 3 lines which are newer than r4300 |
| 16:02:13 | Lear | Could be. But what happens if you queue a few tracks, add a few tracks, and then lets the queued tracks play (or skip them)? |
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| 16:03:23 | JdGordon | you cant start a playlist with queued tracks |
| 16:04:55 | Lear | Ok, so add a track, queue a few, add a few, delete the first track and then skip/play the queued ones? :) |
| 16:07:21 | JdGordon | hmm... ok, queueing shuffled got it changing |
| 16:07:22 | JdGordon | nuts |
| 16:11:03 | JdGordon | ok, so even if it is important... why does it need saving in global_status? shouldnt it be reset when the .playlist_control file is loaded? it seems the un/shuffle commands do set it but nothing else? |
| 16:14:07 | JdGordon | in fact... yes, global_status is set to 0 on init so it is compleltly useless it being saved |
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| 16:20:03 | JdGordon | now we really are down to the important bits for resume info |
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| 16:29:01 | JdGordon | soap: your server gone cactus? |
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| 16:31:35 | soap | ? |
| 16:32:24 | soap | the m-robe delta? |
| 16:32:56 | JdGordon | the segfaulting gcc |
| 16:33:07 | bertrik | delta-error :) |
| 16:33:15 | soap | what do I need to do? Upgrade gcc? |
| 16:33:56 | JdGordon | doesnt look like it.. your runing the same versions as farsan.haxx.se |
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| 16:34:49 | soap | and I've built that sim many times before without barfing segfaults. |
| 16:34:59 | soap | I think you broke something. ;) |
| 16:35:36 | JdGordon | sure... blame me :p |
| 16:35:47 | JdGordon | out of ram/disk space for the rbclient user? |
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| 16:38:55 | soap | don't see how, he's on a generous quota. |
| 16:41:34 | stripwax | When running cygwin update with http://download.rockbox.org/cygwin, I get an error from cygwin installer: "unable to get http://download.rockbox.org/cygwin/setup.ini.sig from <http://download.rockbox.org>" . Is download site missing some files? |
| 16:41:38 | * | rasher had mysterious segfaults on sdl sim as well |
| 16:41:50 | soap | but, yes it does appear to be me. I can't build the Gigabeat F sim either, and limbus had no issue. |
| 16:41:53 | rasher | stripwax: run setup.exe with -x, I believe |
| 16:43:11 | stripwax | rasher - ah, yes. I see that in wiki doc too, must be a new cygwin setup feature. thanks! |
| 16:43:57 | stripwax | wiki was updated 30aug08 |
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| 17:29:24 | Norrin | Back to see if anyone can help with flashing the latest Rockbox to my Archos Jukebox FM Recorder. Currently I get a "Checked: File Invalid. Blocksize too small?" error |
| 17:29:36 | saratoga | Nico_P added me to a FS task about problems seeking in MP3, I guess this is because I broke it with the MP3 on COP patch? |
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| 18:13:52 | Norrin | Anyone up today or just lurking? |
| 18:14:13 | Norrin | I saw my issue posted on the forum but no one has responded to the other user either. |
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| 18:17:05 | domonoky | Norrin: so you "rolo'ed" into the new version and tried the excute the new ucl image ? |
| 18:17:15 | Norrin | Yep, exactly. |
| 18:18:35 | Lear | saratoga: No, I added you... :) |
| 18:19:04 | Norrin | Verified I'm running the same version rolo'ed as what I'm trying to flash and it gives me the error described above. |
| 18:20:05 | Lear | And it's not only that file. I've found one more, but I couldn't reproduce it with a couple of other files. |
| 18:20:51 | saratoga | Lear: i don't have a DAP handy, but looking at it theres a comment that says not calling mad_init causes glitches when seeking |
| 18:20:58 | saratoga | and i don't call mad init on the data on the COP |
| 18:21:02 | saratoga | so its probably that |
| 18:21:38 | Lear | Yes, I suspected something like that. |
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| 18:23:13 | domonoky | Norrin: i am not sure what causes this error, but the code gives this error, when the size in the header doesnt match the filesize... maybe the ucl file is somehow broken ? |
| 18:24:06 | Norrin | I've tried it with several builds over the last month with no success. Erased everything rockbox oriented on the drive and started over and still no luck. |
| 18:24:24 | Norrin | Not sure when a change took place as I've had great success with Rockbox for years now. |
| 18:25:50 | domonoky | Norrin: it may be also broken, there are probably not many people anymore which use this feature... maybe you should open a bug tracker entry... |
| 18:26:30 | Norrin | There was one other who mentioned it on the forum. I'll look at opening a bug tracker. Thanks! |
| 18:26:37 | domonoky | also: if you have rockbox flashed, its not enough to clean the disk to remove all rockbox things.. you would need to reflash the OF... |
| 18:28:41 | domonoky | another question: did you use "rombox" before, or only normal rockbox in flash ? |
| 18:29:16 | domonoky | afaik "rombox" doesnt exist anymore, because of size constrains... |
| 18:30:58 | Norrin | Can't find the rombox.ucl file, only the rockbox.ucl. |
| 18:31:16 | Norrin | Tried the same what I had been doing it many times before. |
| 18:31:38 | Norrin | Boot recorder, rolo current version, play/run rockbox.ucl. |
| 18:31:51 | Norrin | Worked many times before, now it gives me the error. |
| 18:33:46 | domonoky | then please open a bug tracker entry with as many info you can get.. :-) |
| 18:34:51 | Norrin | Yep, doing that as we speak. Thanks! |
| 18:35:31 | Norrin | What category do you think this would best fit in to? |
| 18:35:53 | gevaerts | Which players without expansion slots are the easiest to test multivolume on? (i.e. they don't break down because the boot rom doesn't like the partition table and things like that) |
| 18:36:24 | Norrin | Bootloader? |
| 18:37:05 | domonoky | Norrin: os, or plugins, but nothing really fits it :-) |
| 18:37:29 | * | gevaerts had the same problem with FS #9409 yesterday :) |
| 18:39:30 | domonoky | gevaerts: perhaps iriver hxx0, because they have a rockbox bootloader usb mode ? |
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| 18:39:51 | gevaerts | domonoky: ah, yes. Good idea |
| 18:40:23 | vitja | gevaerts: could it be a problem if usb_drv_send_nonblocking() is actually blocking and calls usb_core_transfer_complete()? |
| 18:40:46 | gevaerts | And bootloader is flash, so loading the rockbox bootloader can't fail because I did interesting things with the disk |
| 18:41:46 | Norrin | Bug tracker has been added concerning the flashing. |
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| 18:42:00 | gevaerts | vitja: that probably won't be very speed efficient, but it shouldn't cause problems. |
| 18:43:01 | vitja | gevaerts: so I should fill in fifo in usb_drv_send...() and then call usb_core_transfer_complete() from interrupt? |
| 18:44:26 | gevaerts | vitja: something like that, yes. Be careful though as the fifo probably handles individual packets, and usb_drv_send() works with entire transfers (so it can ask to send e.g. 16k in one call) |
| 18:44:58 | gevaerts | So you probably need a layer in between |
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| 18:52:01 | gevaerts | vitja: about the usb_drv_recv() thing we talked about yesterday : I think you can set the INHLD bit in the endpoint control register to 1 from usb_drv_recv(), and back to 0 on transfer completion |
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| 18:55:06 | gevaerts | vitja: I *think* that if you implement all usb_drv_*() calls as blocking, everything should mostly work. They need to be nonblocking to allow for multiple simultaneous transfers, like when you use both UMS and usb serial, but that's not very important when you're trying to get things started |
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| 19:42:14 | TheDarkOne | so the faq says that to keep the ipod from going into disk mode when i hook up the USB cable, i hold down menu, but it doesn't stop it :/ |
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| 19:51:29 | gevaerts | TheDarkOne: it does here |
| 19:51:49 | TheDarkOne | weird, it doesn't at all for me |
| 19:51:57 | TheDarkOne | 4th gen? |
| 19:52:02 | bluebrother | do you have a recent build? |
| 19:52:07 | gevaerts | 5th gen and end gen mini |
| 19:54:23 | gevaerts | 2nd gen mini that is |
| 19:56:45 | TheDarkOne | yeah, it's like 2 weeks old |
| 19:56:47 | TheDarkOne | but yeah |
| 19:57:24 | gevaerts | recent enough. Are you really holding menu all through the pluging in? |
| 19:58:03 | TheDarkOne | yeah |
| 19:58:18 | TheDarkOne | version is r17611-000522 |
| 19:58:25 | TheDarkOne | lemme try again just for shits and giggles |
| 19:58:41 | TheDarkOne | so hold it before i plug, and as i plug, and after i plug, right? |
| 19:58:54 | gevaerts | yes |
| 19:59:10 | gevaerts | (not forever of course) |
| 19:59:13 | TheDarkOne | boots into disk mode |
| 19:59:21 | TheDarkOne | still |
| 19:59:34 | * | gevaerts asks one more question |
| 19:59:44 | gevaerts | Is that from power-off, or from running rockbox? |
| 19:59:50 | TheDarkOne | running rockbox |
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| 20:00:06 | TheDarkOne | and i've tried from power off too |
| 20:00:13 | * | gevaerts still suspects that TheDarkOne does something wrong |
| 20:00:28 | TheDarkOne | i hope i am, although it seems too simple to screw up |
| 20:00:29 | TheDarkOne | lol |
| 20:00:29 | bluebrother | timestamp 000522? |
| 20:00:56 | TheDarkOne | i just copied it on there about 2 weeks ago i think |
| 20:00:59 | bluebrother | that's impossible. |
| 20:01:05 | TheDarkOne | or |
| 20:01:07 | TheDarkOne | 080522 |
| 20:01:12 | TheDarkOne | lol sorry |
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| 20:01:16 | bluebrother | it's an official build from rockbox.org? |
| 20:01:22 | TheDarkOne | yeah |
| 20:01:41 | TheDarkOne | should i go with daily build and see if that fixes it? |
| 20:01:46 | gevaerts | That's from may |
| 20:01:57 | bluebrother | strange. The second part of the version number is strange −− r17611 wasn't in year 2000 |
| 20:03:00 | TheDarkOne | that's what i got from current build the like 2 weeks ago |
| 20:03:01 | gevaerts | TheDarkOne: please do. |
| 20:03:06 | TheDarkOne | so lemme try with daily build |
| 20:03:07 | TheDarkOne | sec. |
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| 20:03:17 | gevaerts | 080522 is not a current build from 2 weeks ago |
| 20:04:00 | bluebrother | 000522 is an impossible timestamp, and r17611 was on May 22. So the 00 should be 08 :) |
| 20:04:02 | TheDarkOne | i dunno, i just know i downloaded/copied 2 weeks ago |
| 20:04:07 | TheDarkOne | bluebrother: it was 080522 |
| 20:04:13 | TheDarkOne | i mistook the 8 for a 0 |
| 20:04:23 | gevaerts | It's a current build from four months ago. Where did you download that from? |
| 20:04:30 | bluebrother | and a build from may wasn't online two weeks ago ... unless you picked an outdated mirror |
| 20:04:32 | TheDarkOne | rockbox.org |
| 20:04:37 | TheDarkOne | maybe i did something wrong |
| 20:04:40 | TheDarkOne | *shrug* |
| 20:05:12 | * | bluebrother has the impression TheDarkOne picked the oldest build around on that download mirror ... |
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| 20:05:35 | TheDarkOne | not that i know of :P |
| 20:05:52 | TheDarkOne | ok, lemme reboot it now |
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| 20:06:34 | bluebrother | well, just put a recent build on it ;) |
| 20:06:43 | TheDarkOne | eh, worked now |
| 20:06:53 | gevaerts | OK. probably a bad build then |
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| 20:06:54 | TheDarkOne | i guess i screwed up the update somehow |
| 20:07:06 | TheDarkOne | usually i can just copy and overwrite everything, no? |
| 20:07:12 | gevaerts | yes |
| 20:07:27 | * | gevaerts does recommend rbutilqt however |
| 20:07:51 | TheDarkOne | i |
| 20:07:56 | TheDarkOne | i'm in windows half the time |
| 20:08:01 | gevaerts | so? |
| 20:08:15 | TheDarkOne | qt gives me the impression it uses qt :P |
| 20:08:21 | gevaerts | yes, and? |
| 20:08:41 | TheDarkOne | i guess it is cross platform, isn't it :/ |
| 20:08:42 | TheDarkOne | lol |
| 20:08:54 | gevaerts | yes it is |
| 20:08:54 | bluebrother | it is. |
| 20:09:02 | bluebrother | But I have no idea what's so funny about this ... |
| 20:09:19 | bluebrother | the reason we use this toolkit is that it is cross platform ... |
| 20:09:21 | TheDarkOne | just bad habit of putting lol after everything |
| 20:09:50 | BigBambi | An annoying habbit |
| 20:09:56 | * | bluebrother never understoods such annoying habits |
| 20:10:49 | TheDarkOne | i've tried to drop it but it's too ingrained in my being :( |
| 20:11:04 | BigBambi | Try harder |
| 20:11:23 | bluebrother | pull the lol key from the keyboard |
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| 20:12:35 | bluebrother | get some better habit. Like using the shift key instead to use proper capitalization. Takes up some thinking, so you can completely forget about the lol button :D |
| 20:12:38 | lasser | Hi there |
| 20:13:00 | lasser | first excuse my bad english, i never learnd it right. |
| 20:13:12 | lasser | I have a problem with rockbox build 18561 |
| 20:13:13 | ze | lasser: american? :p |
| 20:13:26 | bluebrother | noone forbids you to start learning it right :P |
| 20:13:42 | lasser | ze: german :-) |
| 20:14:04 | lasser | the downloaded and the self-compiled version runs into an error |
| 20:14:06 | lasser | Data abort |
| 20:14:13 | lasser | at 000015E (0) |
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| 20:14:20 | bluebrother | downloaded and self compiled? |
| 20:14:30 | gevaerts | lasser: which player? And what are you doing at that point? |
| 20:15:03 | bluebrother | which host OS? Which compiler version? Any patches? |
| 20:15:23 | lasser | the player is an e280, I'm only switching the player on, |
| 20:15:32 | * | gevaerts assumes that if the downloaded version has the same errors, we don't care much about host things |
| 20:15:37 | lasser | host os debian etch'n half |
| 20:15:58 | lasser | no patches |
| 20:16:12 | bluebrother | are you using the recommended compiler version? |
| 20:16:21 | gevaerts | So just switching on does that? No restarting playback involved or anything? |
| 20:16:24 | bluebrother | and how did you build the compiler? Using rockboxdev.sh? |
| 20:16:30 | lasser | the last running version I have is 18341 with charging-patch |
| 20:17:04 | gevaerts | lasser: just to confirm I understand things correctly : the official build also has this? |
| 20:17:09 | lasser | bluebrother: yes |
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| 20:17:30 | lasser | gevaerts: yes, it's the official current build 18561 |
| 20:17:49 | lasser | and 18560 too |
| 20:18:02 | gevaerts | Does 18341 still work if you put it back? |
| 20:18:18 | lasser | gevaerts: yes it does |
| 20:18:29 | * | bluebrother spots something in the build table ... |
| 20:18:31 | bluebrother | JdGordon|zzz: red |
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| 20:19:05 | gevaerts | bluebrother: he knows. build server issue |
| 20:19:12 | * | bluebrother goes installing r18561 on his sansa |
| 20:19:17 | bluebrother | gevaerts: ah, ok. |
| 20:20:53 | bluebrother | hmm. Just put that version on my sansa and it works fine. |
| 20:21:00 | bluebrother | Do you have resume information stored? |
| 20:21:42 | lasser | bluebrother: I think yes. Everytime I switch the thing on it resumes. |
| 20:22:04 | bluebrother | you could try resetting the settings upon startup. |
| 20:22:23 | gevaerts | lasser: just to make sure, can you check the filesystem on the sansa? (using fsck.vfat) |
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| 20:22:57 | lasser | bluebrother: iirc with pressing REC at startup? |
| 20:23:14 | lasser | gevaerts: ok, I'll do that now, moment please... |
| 20:23:29 | gevaerts | lasser: it is REC, yes |
| 20:23:44 | * | bluebrother too slow |
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| 20:29:34 | lasser | fsck detects differences between boot sector and its backup and reclaims 1 unused cluster. |
| 20:29:42 | lasser | I didn't change anything... |
| 20:29:56 | lasser | should I |
| 20:30:40 | gevaerts | Can you make a backup of .rockbox before you try clearing the settings? |
| 20:31:10 | * | gevaerts suspects that clearing the settings will solve the issue, but we still won't know what caused it |
| 20:31:33 | lasser | gevaerts: yes, it does! thank you! |
| 20:31:43 | massiveH | you can save the settings to a .cfg file |
| 20:31:52 | lasser | everything is running... |
| 20:32:33 | lasser | massiveH: yes, because of false pressing REC at startup I had to learn that :-) |
| 20:33:03 | bluebrother | pressing rec at startup only loads the defaults. You still can load the settings file config.cfg manually afterwards |
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| 20:33:22 | bluebrother | unless you changed the settings and the new ones overwrote that file, obviously |
| 20:33:24 | massiveH | lasser, I learned the hard way too |
| 20:33:37 | lasser | massiveH: :-) |
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| 20:40:41 | thephilosopher | wich ide do you guys use ? |
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| 20:42:23 | * | domonoky thinks that most devs here dont use any IDE, the shell with gcc and a good editor is enough :-) |
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| 20:46:29 | * | bluebrother uses a really powerful IDE called "gvim" :D |
| 20:47:31 | BigBambi | domonoky: That's because Rockbox is archaic |
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| 20:48:13 | thephilosopher | BigBambi: get over it |
| 20:48:30 | BigBambi | thephilosopher: excuse me? |
| 20:48:44 | thephilosopher | domonoky: That's because Rockbox is archaic |
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| 20:56:15 | vitja | gevaerts: something strange happends queue_post() doesn't work at some point |
| 20:57:53 | gevaerts | vitja: weird |
| 20:58:34 | vitja | yeah.. |
| 20:58:35 | markun | hi vitja! |
| 20:58:43 | vitja | hi |
| 20:58:46 | markun | I tried your objdump annotation tool |
| 20:59:10 | markun | quite nice, although we had to resort to IDA to understand some of the code |
| 21:00 |
| 21:00:26 | markun | (while looking at the Meizu M6SL firmware together with gevaerts) |
| 21:00:45 | vitja | hmm that was hard to read listings in ordinary viewer as they were more that 16Mb |
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| 21:02:24 | vitja | gevaerts: after calling usb_core_transfer_complete() from IRQ I don't get in usb thread main loop with TRANSFER_COMPLETE |
| 21:03:39 | vitja | markun: js needs some improvements |
| 21:03:40 | gevaerts | vitja: I assume that's not for control? |
| 21:04:28 | * | gevaerts finds this strange |
| 21:04:29 | vitja | gevaerts: for bulk after usb_drv_send_nonblocking() I get interrupt and call handler |
| 21:06:31 | vitja | btw at the point I definitly get to usb_signal_transfer_completion() but not to usb_thread(), if I re-insert usb cabel usb thread receives events back |
| 21:06:58 | gevaerts | so the thread is really still running... |
| 21:07:18 | vitja | yeah.. |
| 21:08:00 | vitja | guess something is missed at my side |
| 21:08:10 | gevaerts | oh wait... |
| 21:08:50 | gevaerts | You did usb_drv_send_nonblocking() blocking for now I guess? |
| 21:09:28 | vitja | no now it's non-blocking |
| 21:09:41 | gevaerts | hmm, that's not it then |
| 21:10:17 | vitja | may be I forget to init something, I'm running from bootloader |
| 21:10:29 | gevaerts | Can you check if it really gets to the queue_wait() in usb_thread()? |
| 21:10:47 | gevaerts | It may be stuck in the code that does the usb_drv_send_nonblocking() |
| 21:10:48 | vitja | then usb_init();usb_start_monitoring(); and sleep(HZ/10) forever |
| 21:11:39 | vitja | yeah sure |
| 21:12:03 | gevaerts | At least I think that's more likely than queue handling being broken somehow |
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| 21:12:35 | vitja | hmm may be I should check compile warnings for stupid errors |
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| 21:19:30 | vitja | gevaerts: strange thing if I do print in ..._nonblocking() before restoring interrupts that prints otherwise - no |
| 21:20:50 | gevaerts | that seems to point to a bug in the interrupt handler |
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| 21:27:00 | vitja | gevaerts: dont't you wanna to take a look at the code? |
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| 21:27:25 | scoles | Hey I'm having problems getting rockbox to run on my ipod 4g color |
| 21:28:11 | scoles | I've already read through the manual and all that stuff and theres nothing in there to help |
| 21:28:31 | gevaerts | vitja: I would, but I need to leave in a few minutes. I don't know if that's enough to do anything useful |
| 21:29:46 | gevaerts | scoles: maybe it would help if you said what exactly the problem is |
| 21:30:49 | vitja | gevaerts: btw it's here and dirty enough vitja/usb-tcc77x.c">ftp://stop.qc.to/vitja/usb-tcc77x.c and I'm going to sleep now. |
| 21:31:14 | scoles | ok, i recently replaced my battery and put in a cf card and i tried to restore it in itunes and it says to put it in the wall adapter which i dont have so i decided to use rockbox, it installs fine just like it said in the manual, the bootloader even installs fine but it won't reset and boot into rockbox |
| 21:31:50 | scoles | i can reset but i get teh apple logo and the folder icon |
| 21:32:22 | gevaerts | scoles: if you're using a CF card, you probably need a newer bootloader. There are prebuilt ones at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9369 |
| 21:33:04 | gevaerts | vitja: ok. I'll try to find something |
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| 21:33:26 | amiconn | If you restore in itunes and the ipod displays that you need to plug in the wall adapter, you *must* connect it, or you won't get anywhere |
| 21:34:19 | scoles | ok, do i have to have the "real" adapter cause i have a newer one i use to charge my other ipod and it won't finish the restore when i plug it in |
| 21:34:31 | scoles | its a third party one |
| 21:35:05 | amiconn | You need one that provides the power on the firewire power pin (+12V), an USB charger won't work |
| 21:35:18 | amiconn | A powered firewire port _might_ work, but I'm not sure |
| 21:36:40 | scoles | i've got the apple usb cable would going and buying the official wall charger at the store be what i need? |
| 21:37:01 | scoles | because that's what it tells me to plug it into |
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| 21:42:56 | scoles | how do I use that bootloader he gave me the link to up there? |
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| 21:45:13 | scotty_007 | scoles: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodPatcher |
| 21:48:08 | scoles | i mean how do i take the file for my ipod (4g color) and get it onto my pc? |
| 21:48:39 | bluebrother | download it? |
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| 21:48:58 | scoles | yes i just get some funky letters when i click on it |
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| 21:49:21 | Phyro-Mane | hi there |
| 21:49:33 | scoles | this is what he gave me the link to http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9369 and how do I download the file for my ipod |
| 21:49:39 | bluebrother | well, how about the "save as" functionality of your browser (hint: try the right mouse button) |
| 21:49:49 | scoles | i just get a htm file |
| 21:49:57 | bluebrother | you have a browser issue. |
| 21:50:21 | scoles | i'll try it in internet explorer then |
| 21:50:34 | bluebrother | I'd expect that to work worse. |
| 21:50:56 | bluebrother | just take the link on that page and instruct your browser to save it to a file. |
| 21:51:17 | scotty_007 | scoles: did you use the "save as" from File menu? |
| 21:51:34 | scotty_007 | would explain the saved html file |
| 21:51:34 | Phyro-Mane | can somebody tell me if rockbox is already running on the Sandisk Fuze? Or is the Fuze only another name for e/c200 series? |
| 21:51:40 | BigBambi | No, and no |
| 21:51:54 | BigBambi | i.e. it is a) different and b) doesn't work |
| 21:52:14 | BigBambi | and incidently the e200 and c200 series are different from each other too |
| 21:52:36 | Phyro-Mane | ah, ok. thanx a lot |
| 21:52:41 | scoles | i've clicked on it and i get the weird characters and i've right clicked on it and saved and i get the html file with the weird characters |
| 21:53:03 | Phyro-Mane | is there hope that rockbox will be available for this players in near future? |
| 21:53:08 | scoles | funny enough Internet Explorer just worked |
| 21:53:18 | BigBambi | There are no time estimates given |
| 21:53:25 | scoles | maybe its cause my firefox is out of date |
| 21:53:51 | bluebrother | scoles: well, if the save dialog adds a html extension you get a "html" file |
| 21:53:54 | BigBambi | Phyro-Mane: People work on Rockbox is their spare time, and as volunteers. It is impossible to say when (or perhaps even if) progress will be made, or how quickly |
| 21:54:19 | * | bluebrother thinks that using save as from the context menu is basic browser usage. |
| 21:54:25 | Phyro-Mane | alright. would´ve loved to run rockbox on that player too. whatever, no doom during school |
| 21:54:40 | scoles | hmmm don't know either way I've not got the .ipod where do i go from there |
| 21:55:20 | scoles | *i've now got |
| 21:56:31 | bluebrother | use ipodpatcher. |
| 21:57:00 | Phyro-Mane | good evening guys, thanks for your help |
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| 21:57:43 | scoles | ok so i use the −−add-bootloader (-a) filename.ipod |
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| 22:05:50 | scoles | i wrote the new bootloader and i still go back to the apple screen when i reboot |
| 22:06:46 | bluebrother | do you have the hold switch enabled? |
| 22:07:11 | scoles | the hold switch is currently off |
| 22:08:38 | bluebrother | did ipodpatcher show success after adding the bootloader? |
| 22:08:46 | scoles | yes it did |
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| 22:09:18 | bluebrother | how did your command line look? |
| 22:09:39 | scoles | when i wrote it? |
| 22:10:01 | bluebrother | the command you wrote down to start ipodpatcher, yes. |
| 22:10:05 | scotty_007 | scoles: as amiconn mentioned above: If you restore in itunes and the ipod displays that you need to plug in the wall adapter, you *must* connect it, or you won't get anywhere |
| 22:10:27 | * | bluebrother forgot about that |
| 22:10:31 | scoles | D:\Documents and Settings\scoles\Desktop>ipodpatcher -a bootloader-ipodcolor.ip |
| 22:10:36 | scoles | oh |
| 22:10:54 | scoles | well can i go buy the wall adapter at the store and will it work? |
| 22:13:04 | scoles | Should it work? cause I don't wanna drop $30 unless it should |
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| 22:16:28 | BigBambi | scoles: Probably, but nobody is going to guarantee that - it is impossible for us to know if you have other problems too |
| 22:18:44 | scoles | i'm aware of that |
| 22:19:39 | scoles | i just wanted to know if it should so i don't go buy something i dont need thats all, so thanks for all the help i'm gonna go buy it now |
| 22:20:59 | domonoky | bluebrother: feel free to change it, while keeping the strings for the settings in one place (and preferably with some compiler checking against misstypings) |
| 22:21:44 | bluebrother | domonoky: I already have that on my todo list (currently that class is somewhat inconsistent), but I really need to finish the bootloader stuff first. |
| 22:21:58 | bluebrother | I'm working on that already for too long now ... |
| 22:22:26 | bluebrother | and the settings class just has to become more mature ;-) |
| 22:22:52 | bluebrother | always this issue with grown code ;-) |
| 22:22:57 | domonoky | jup.. |
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| 22:23:37 | domonoky | so why not commit the bootloader rework as fast as possible ? we can build the next rbutil release out of the 3.0 branch.. |
| 22:24:31 | scotty_007 | scoles: or you know someone who owns the wall apapter. this needs to be done only once after restoring. |
| 22:25:37 | bluebrother | yeah, thought about that too. Only backup is missing right now (and I'm looking it the same time) |
| 22:26:10 | bluebrother | shouldn't be too much work left now, and if it causes some glitches we can fix that later |
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| 22:47:36 | amiconn | Umm |
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| 22:48:46 | amiconn | PCM still needs a lot of work on the beast |
| 22:51:03 | amiconn | Plugin buttons too |
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| 23:09:16 | bluebrother | hmm. Can I create a file containing a : on windows? (I know explorer doesn't allow me to do, but can windows cope with that?) |
| 23:09:31 | amiconn | nope |
| 23:09:49 | amiconn | : is explicitly forbidden because it's a path separator |
| 23:10:15 | bluebrother | on windows? |
| 23:10:59 | bluebrother | I know it's path separator on linux (but you can still create files containing it) |
| 23:11:18 | amiconn | For the drive... |
| 23:12:13 | bluebrother | ah, true. Forgot about that. |
| 23:13:03 | amiconn | ...and also for protocols, as winodws explorer can access e.g. WebDAV paths |
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| 23:29:19 | webguest43 | hi |
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| 23:35:20 | webguest76 | hey can someone help me with wps thing? |
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| 23:35:51 | bluebrother | only if you ask your question |
| 23:35:58 | BigBambi | webguest76: www.rockbox,org/wiki/CustomWps |
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| 23:50:33 | webguest49 | ahh i keep getting disconnetecced, but i downloaded a wps and put it in the wps folder in my ipod video and i tryed opening it and i cant, i downloaded a bunch of others and i keep having the same wps |
| 23:52:08 | mmadia | Rockbox r18560 crashed while playing the asteroid's clone game on my sansa e280. The screen is displaying "Undefined instruction 00000484 (0). The power button is non-responsive. Attaching the unit to my USB port fails to reboot the device as well. What can I do? |
| 23:52:34 | webguest49 | . |
| 23:53:27 | gevaerts | mmadia: hold power for a long time (could be 30 seconds). That will reset the player |
| 23:54:37 | mmadia | *sigh of relief* thanks gevaerts. |
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| 23:55:28 | gevaerts | mmadia: spacerocks is known to be buggy unfortunately |
| 23:55:59 | webguest49 | can someone help me open my wps file? |
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| 23:56:59 | mmadia | gevaerts: on a sidenote, i've been tweaking some theme files for the e200. should i pursue getting wiki write access or ... ? |
| 23:57:19 | gevaerts | mmadia: sure, why not? |
| 23:58:04 | mmadia | webguest49: in my limited experience, the theme files i install usually are extracted to the root directory of the device. |
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