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| 00:00:15 | saratoga | i bet with proper scheduling good ASM for each platform, the Beast could probably have a 40-50% advantage |
| 00:00:33 | saratoga | (at equal clock speed) |
| 00:01:22 | Llorean | amiconn: Agreed. |
| 00:01:32 | gevaerts | I agree. On the other hand, I think we can drop new bootloaders for the sansas (no real gain, and issues, so no sense spending time on it now) |
| 00:01:37 | amiconn | This time there were loads of those |
| 00:01:48 | * | amiconn should probably make a set of flash images tomorrow |
| 00:02:32 | gevaerts | I'd say we release new bootloaders for all targets where we feel confident that they actually work, and maybe other targets later on |
| 00:02:44 | amiconn | Do we want some special version string for the new bootloaders? |
| 00:02:54 | Llorean | I think we should just increment their normal version numbers. |
| 00:03:08 | Llorean | So v7 for the H120, v3 for the iPods (I think?) etc. |
| 00:03:30 | amiconn | saratoga: I get 234% realtime on mini g2 for the same track. Does the vorbis codec differ in iram usage between PP5020 and PP5022? |
| 00:03:41 | gevaerts | Is rbutil ready to handle the release? |
| 00:04:56 | amiconn | The iriver bootloaders still need to be tested by someone with access to a bdm, right? |
| 00:05:57 | saratoga | amiconn: sounds like it does |
| 00:06:05 | saratoga | though i'm not that familar with it |
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| 00:18:47 | joetoo | I see that the Sansa e200 uses an FM chip with an upgrade path. It seems there is another chip that is pin compatible that adds RDS decoding. That's extra nice because I think RDS includes the accurate time. |
| 00:19:42 | gevaerts | joetoo: thinking about hardware mods? |
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| 00:20:36 | joetoo | why not? |
| 00:20:48 | webguest87 | how come my database on me sansa e260 isnt updated? |
| 00:20:58 | joetoo | webguest87: reboot yet? |
| 00:21:01 | webguest87 | i put no songs in but it never shows |
| 00:21:05 | webguest87 | *new |
| 00:21:07 | webguest87 | yeah |
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| 00:21:20 | webguest87 | i rebooted and in database settings i click update now and still wnt work |
| 00:21:31 | joetoo | no, update first, then reboot |
| 00:21:39 | webguest87 | i did.. |
| 00:22:18 | stripwax | sorry, but why the need to reboot? |
| 00:23:00 | joetoo | I have only had rockbox on my sansa for about an hour, but I found that updating the DB didn't seem to take until after a reboot. |
| 00:23:36 | MarcGuay | webguest87: Are the songs tagged properly? Did you Initialize Now? |
| 00:24:22 | gevaerts | webguest87: does the database work for tracks that were on it earlier? |
| 00:24:27 | webguest87 | tagged properly? what do you mean? and yeah i clicked intialized now but it says updating in backround |
| 00:24:45 | webguest87 | and i needed to reboot before i use |
| 00:25:34 | stripwax | who says you need to reboot before you use it? |
| 00:25:46 | gevaerts | The first time you do |
| 00:25:59 | stripwax | oh, sorry, I see what you mean. |
| 00:26:05 | webguest87 | it has to be tagged properly? |
| 00:26:26 | webguest87 | the songs shows fine in Files>Music but not showing in Database |
| 00:26:26 | joetoo | gevaerts: is that also true when swapping removable media? |
| 00:26:28 | stripwax | the media files need to have metadata tags (id3, etc) |
| 00:26:47 | joetoo | stripwax: but they will at least show up as untagged |
| 00:26:50 | stripwax | if the song is playing, you can see if the tags exist from the context menu |
| 00:27:42 | gevaerts | joetoo: rebooting? no. It's just that rockbox doesn't allocate RAM for the database before "Initialize Now" |
| 00:27:55 | webguest87 | 1 of my artist dnt show and new songs dnt show I need tags? |
| 00:27:56 | joetoo | gevaerts: oic |
| 00:28:08 | webguest87 | you are confusing me |
| 00:28:26 | * | gevaerts points everyone to the channel guidelines about using full words |
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| 00:29:09 | joetoo | webguest87: if the songs have no tags, I believe they will be listed as '<Untagged>' in each category. |
| 00:29:37 | webguest87 | hold on let me try again |
| 00:31:09 | webguest87 | nope still dnt work |
| 00:31:28 | scorche | webguest87: stop saying "dnt" please... |
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| 00:32:22 | webguest87 | i'm not talking to you and idc don't whatever... |
| 00:32:32 | scorche | and "idc"... |
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| 00:32:35 | gevaerts | webguest87: please follow the rules |
| 00:32:39 | Bagder | what is idc anyway? |
| 00:32:51 | scorche | have you looked at the guidelines for this channel?...they are linked to in the topic if you havent |
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| 00:33:36 | webguest87 | my database isn't updating |
| 00:33:49 | joetoo | Badger: I assume it is an acronym for "i [sic] don't care", but I could be wrong. |
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| 00:43:32 | stripwax | webguest87 - do your music files play correctly on rockbox (can you hear them), and do the tags show up correctly if you go to the context menu and view 'File Info' |
| 00:46:43 | stripwax | Sorry, "Show Track Info". I.e. the context menu described in section 4.3.3 of the manual http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansae200/rockbox-buildch4.html#x7-530004.3.3 |
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| 00:51:10 | joetoo | How dishonest would it be to tell a chip manufacturer that your job title is "Senior Electrical Engineer" instead of "Senior, Electrical Engineering" when inquiring about ordering samples? ;-) |
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| 00:52:05 | stripwax | webguest87 - also, I think there is a menu option to view the database update status (assuming that Initialize Now did indeed start scanning your music and building the database). |
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| 00:58:35 | joetoo | What does "Load to RAM" do for the database? Is that just to lower access time? |
| 00:59:54 | joetoo | IHTSCIFOMBITLTL |
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| 01:00:57 | scorche | ... |
| 01:01:10 | scorche | joetoo: does the manual not describe that? |
| 01:02:20 | * | joetoo remembers the manual! |
| 01:02:39 | * | stripwax even linked to it, just a second ago |
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| 01:06:04 | joetoo | "Note: If you browse your music frequently...you should load to RAM...because the disk will not need to spin on each search." This line belongs in the Sansa e200 manual why again? |
| 01:06:43 | gevaerts | joetoo: it's waiting for your patch |
| 01:07:52 | dataangel | Will rockbox puke if I have 5,000 files in a folder? |
| 01:08:01 | Llorean | You'll need to change a setting. |
| 01:08:04 | joetoo | "Feature requests and documentation correction suggestions will only be accepted when accompanied by a patch." Eh? |
| 01:08:30 | Llorean | joetoo: One-word questions are hard to interpret... |
| 01:08:34 | dataangel | Will I need to change a setting just for the file viewer to not puke on that folder, or will I need it for rockbox even to run? The only thing that will access this folder is a plugin I'm writing, I'd never go to it by hand |
| 01:08:47 | Llorean | dataangel: File viewer. |
| 01:08:53 | dataangel | ah k |
| 01:09:20 | dataangel | Is rockbox smart enough to only list max files in folder numbers that it can handle, or is it possible to pick one that exceeds available RAM? |
| 01:09:42 | Llorean | dataangel: It gives an error message if you go into a folder higher than the maximum you've told it to expect. |
| 01:10:02 | Llorean | There are no negative effects beyond being unable to browse into that folder or properly playlist songs in it. |
| 01:10:03 | dataangel | right, but can I mistakenly tell it to expect a number that is actually greater than what the player can handle? |
| 01:10:13 | Llorean | No. |
| 01:10:19 | dataangel | ah k |
| 01:10:20 | dataangel | thanks :) |
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| 01:11:15 | dataangel | having my plugin have 5,000 individual files is easier than having it to try and load one gigantic text file and keep the whole thing in memory (and I need to insert text occasionally, so in one big file everything would have to be moved forward...) |
| 01:12:26 | gevaerts | dataangel: there is also a limit on the number of simultaneous open files |
| 01:16:40 | dataangel | gevaerts: that one I'm not worried about because I'll only ever have one open at a time |
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| 01:19:17 | amiconn | dataangel: I don't know what kind of plugin you're working on, but keep in mind that having 5000 very small files will waste quite some disk space, depending on cluster size |
| 01:20:19 | amiconn | A fat(32) cluster can be up to 32KB (the compatible limit), so the potential diskspace requirement coult be 156MB, even if each file only contains a single byte |
| 01:20:51 | amiconn | Also, going through a lot of small files (open -> read or write -> close) will take quite some time |
| 01:21:25 | joetoo | dataangel: there is likely to be a fair amount of overhead associated with having so many small files. 5000 * the minimum filesize for a file system can be pretty large. |
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| 01:24:03 | * | joetoo didn't notice because he was researching FAT32 at the time. |
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| 01:32:41 | joetoo | I am now waiting for SANYO to send me information about a chip with which to upgrade my Sansa e200's FM tuner to support RDS. Here's crossing my fingers that small quantities and/or [free] samples are available. |
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| 01:35:21 | dataangel | Finding out what files are in a folder using readdir() (in the plugin API) doesn't count those files as open towards the max open file limit, does it? |
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| 02:07:03 | * | amiconn is working on different controls for cube.rock |
| 02:07:21 | amiconn | The current ones contain some impossible combos on several targets |
| 02:07:42 | amiconn | I wonder whether this would be 3.0 stuff (cosmetic, but...) |
| 02:08:46 | joetoo | I can't find the test_codec in the plugins menu. Does it hook into the record menu directly? Or does it get excluded while building? |
| 02:09:13 | scorche | joetoo: you need to enable it in the SOURCES file |
| 02:09:20 | joetoo | scorche: ah, thanks. |
| 02:09:35 | amiconn | joetoo: ..and then you still won't find it in the plugins menu, as it's a viewer |
| 02:09:41 | amiconn | Use "Open with..." |
| 02:09:48 | joetoo | fantastic |
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| 02:35:16 | joetoo | I see the pitch shift option, but I'm surprised that I don't immediately find the option to change the playback rate while maintaining the original pitch. Am I looking in the wrong places? |
| 02:37:58 | MarcGuay | joetoo: I don't believe it's been put into the regular builds yet. |
| 02:38:28 | MarcGuay | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8894?histring=shift |
| 02:47:43 | joetoo | oh ok. thanks. I'll look for it there and in svn. |
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| 02:49:45 | saratoga | amiconn: AC3 is actually real time for me using the sample I found online |
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| 02:49:51 | saratoga | got a particular sample I should try? |
| 02:50:42 | amiconn | Well, my samples weren't realtime on PP, not even 2.0, let alone 5.1 |
| 02:51:15 | amiconn | On coldfire they are realtime. 2.0 is very fast there |
| 02:51:18 | saratoga | well i'm about to hopefullly change that |
| 02:51:38 | saratoga | 38% speed up for about 8 lines copied and pasted out of libwma |
| 02:51:52 | amiconn | My samples are all 48kHz though (audio tracks ripped from dvd) |
| 02:52:32 | saratoga | this codec is so simple, could probably get my random sample over 300% realtime just stealing bits from the other transform codecs |
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| 02:55:26 | amiconn | Does it use emac assembly on coldfire? |
| 02:55:57 | saratoga | just for the fixed mul functions |
| 02:56:01 | saratoga | everything else is plain c |
| 02:56:32 | amiconn | Hmm, interesting. Probably plenty of iram usage then (iirc the codec is quite small) |
| 02:56:39 | mmadia_ | soap ? |
| 02:56:49 | saratoga | yeah someone went through and IRAMed all the tables |
| 02:56:58 | soap | mmadia, ? |
| 02:57:49 | saratoga | the IMDCT could be switched over to the rockbox one, but its annoying to do since the format stores some of the fourier coefficients interleaved under the expectation that you'll use the FFT based IMDCT like WMA used to use before the tremor stuff was added |
| 02:57:57 | mmadia_ | soap : as i've been going through some e200 themes, would you want me to list the themes that are known working and which ones i've fixed (for e200 only) |
| 02:58:54 | saratoga | everyone seems to like that form of the IMDCT better |
| 02:59:38 | dataangel | k |
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| 03:00:05 | mmadia_ | soap : about 40 fixed themes are waiting to be uploaded ( and i still need to request wiki write access) |
| 03:00:35 | soap | mmadia, yes. Start a new thread (something like) "Wiki Theme Status" and post yes/no for all the themes you have tested. I'll merge the posts into one master list. |
| 03:01:00 | amiconn | saratoga: Iirc someone (preglow?) said in here that implementing the imdct using fft and some additional processing would be faster (?) |
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| 03:01:25 | saratoga | amiconn: yeah thats been my theory, but i've not found an FFT implementation on ARM where that is the case |
| 03:01:48 | amiconn | And on coldfire? |
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| 03:02:13 | saratoga | I don't have anyway to test, but so far the Tremor way has been much faster then either of the FFT ways in Rockbox |
| 03:02:44 | saratoga | its somewhat surprising that no fast open source ARM FFT exists |
| 03:03:24 | saratoga | i'm less surprised that no such FFT has been found for coldfire |
| 03:03:26 | amiconn | I am wondering about something that's transform related: While coldfire is fast at decoding mp3, and arm being slower, it's the opposite for mpeg2 video decoding. Do you have an idea why this is so? |
| 03:04:36 | saratoga | the transforms are nearly identical between the codecs [mpeg2 uses a DCT, and libmad implements a lot of the synth filter with a DCT], so I'd guess maybe mpeg2 uses a lot of DRAM |
| 03:04:48 | saratoga | but its just a guess |
| 03:04:59 | saratoga | i suppose you could profile mpegplayer and see where it spends all its time |
| 03:06:05 | saratoga | i know ARM is slow in mp3 because the synth filter does an enormous number of "load word then fix point multiply it and then store it" loops |
| 03:06:22 | amiconn | This is C or asm? |
| 03:06:26 | saratoga | ASM |
| 03:06:39 | amiconn | Hmm. Does the asm use ldm? |
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| 03:06:52 | saratoga | some, but half the loads are spaced at 8 byte intervals |
| 03:07:04 | amiconn | umph |
| 03:07:08 | saratoga | yeah no fun |
| 03:07:27 | saratoga | theres probably some way to rewrite teh algorithm to make it more friendly on ARM |
| 03:07:29 | dataangel | Can I use double's in rockbox plugins? I know they'd be slow, but can I use 'em? |
| 03:07:43 | saratoga | but I don't understand it well enough to do that, so I just spun it off onto the COP |
| 03:07:53 | saratoga | which happily enough worked pretty well |
| 03:08:11 | amiconn | The mpeg2 idct allows some trickery. if you store the intermediate results in transposed form, you can use ldm (or movem on coldfire) for the 2nd part as well |
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| 03:08:46 | saratoga | thats certainly nice |
| 03:08:53 | amiconn | I know the imdct for audio isn't 2-dimensional, but perhaps some similar tricks could be applied? |
| 03:09:18 | saratoga | for mp3 or for the other codecs? |
| 03:09:54 | amiconn | Either of them |
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| 03:11:02 | saratoga | i haven't looked at the asm for the Tremor IMDCT actually |
| 03:11:03 | saratoga | i should |
| 03:11:30 | saratoga | looking at the MAD IMDCT i wonder if it could be done a bit better in assembly |
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| 03:13:23 | saratoga | it does seem to do a lot of ldr's in the windowing code, which is almost certainly slower then LDM |
| 03:13:57 | saratoga | though my ARM asm is rusty |
| 03:13:58 | amiconn | Unfortunately the mpeg2 idct cannot make use of ldm, because the data is 16 bit |
| 03:15:12 | amiconn | ...and it's signed. Splitting 32 bits needs 3 additional instructions. It would actually be marginally faster on arm7, but slower on any higher arm |
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| 03:17:20 | saratoga | amiconn: did you try that latest commit on your AC3 file? |
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| 03:19:21 | amiconn | eh, not yet |
| 03:19:44 | saratoga | if its not real time yet i can look into it |
| 03:20:22 | saratoga | anyway i'm going home |
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| 03:30:16 | mmadia_ | soap : topic created. http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=18668 |
| 03:35:46 | soap | mmadia_, thank you. I'll try to organize this, but real life has firm hold of me for at least the next 48 hours. |
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| 03:43:32 | mmadia_ | it'll give me time to add to the list ; ) |
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| 04:22:17 | Davide-NYC | I saw a change to test_codec specific to the GigabeatS.. is it appropriate to run codec tests and post the results in the wiki now? |
| 04:22:57 | Llorean | I wouldn't suggest adding them to the wiki until it's a supported target. |
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| 04:27:11 | Davide-NYC | Llorean: will hold off then |
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| 05:07:39 | jhMikeS | saratoga: (logs again) no, the patches don't deadlock. the key is that "PCM ready" is equivalent to "synth idle". |
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| 05:16:19 | jhMikeS | amiconn: (for logs) Should singe-core builds be still threaded the same way but run only on CPU or should single core builds be exacly like a single-core target? |
| 05:17:06 | jhMikeS | though the "core" parameter to create_thread doesn't exist in that case |
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| 08:47:52 | amiconn | jhMikeS: They should behave like single core targets |
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| 08:52:07 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Sometimes it is useful to be able to go back to a less functional state of some parts of rockbox, e.g. it was very useful to be able to compile an Ondio build without multivolume and hotswap support in order to debug the weird Transcend MMC behaviour |
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| 09:15:30 | amiconn | saratoga (logs): I'm quite puzzled about my a52 speed tests |
| 09:16:21 | amiconn | I cannot measure a difference with r18570 on PP502x |
| 09:17:33 | amiconn | But then this sample is also realtime by a nice margin. I know I had some which weren't, but I can't find them atm |
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| 09:25:50 | amiconn | Ah, 'make' dependency artifact :\ |
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| 09:31:07 | amiconn | Now I see the speedup (192->307%, even more than r18570 claims), but I still wonder about my non-realtime samples.... |
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| 10:07:41 | GodEater | it's release day today isn't it ? |
| 10:10:02 | jhMikeS | we're done? that's it? we can all go home now? :p |
| 10:11:30 | GodEater | yep |
| 10:11:35 | GodEater | turn off the lights when you leave |
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| 10:35:48 | vitja | gevaerts: did you have some success? |
| 10:42:48 | gevaerts | vitja: I got it running about as well as you I guess. I'll work more on it tonight |
| 10:43:27 | vitja | gevaerts: does you host detect it as flash? |
| 10:45:34 | gevaerts | vitja: not yet no. I don't think I had actual bulk transfers working. No time to look now though |
| 10:45:45 | vitja | ok |
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| 11:11:10 | amiconn | jhMikeS: There are coding style violations in mpa.c. While the general brace placement style is selectable, the opening brace of a function is *reqired* to be placed in the next line |
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| 11:17:45 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I supposed I would do style changes separately in a code policing commit if I did it |
| 11:20:47 | jhMikeS | might as well do so now, what the heck |
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| 11:52:56 | JdGordon | who was complainig about the #ifdef's in plugin.[ch] not being the correct ones around the added kernel stuff? |
| 11:55:26 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: all swcodec has semaphore and even objects right? |
| 11:55:39 | JdGordon | or should i bump the plugin api to fix the #ifdefs? |
| 11:57:19 | JdGordon | ... I guess they do or we wouldnt have a green table |
| 11:57:27 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: who was compaining? I don't know. But yes, swcodec does but any could. |
| 11:57:54 | JdGordon | I dont remember who it was |
| 11:58:02 | jhMikeS | in kernel.c or thread.c? |
| 11:58:04 | * | JdGordon double checking the patch compiles and will comit |
| 11:58:08 | JdGordon | plugin.c |
| 11:58:12 | jhMikeS | oops, right |
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| 11:59:30 | jhMikeS | it is broader than current useage, but not technically incorrect I guess |
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| 12:00:54 | JdGordon | until someone decides to compile swcodec without either of them |
| 12:01:11 | JdGordon | but yes, atm its just a better safeguard or something |
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| 12:03:00 | jhMikeS | actually, no code in single core uses those either (anywhere). they're sort of just taking up space there for the moment. |
| 12:03:16 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: I saw that the event and semaphore functions themselves were surrounded by something like #ifdef HAVE_SEMAPHORE_OBJECTS, but the use of those functions in plugin.[ch] used SWCODEC (and your older commit to codec.[ch] I think). It seems inconsistent. |
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| 12:04:45 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: SWCODEC is what defines those certain objects to be included, but for codecs only NUM_CORES > 1 was actually using it |
| 12:04:46 | JdGordon | ah, its NUM_CORES > 1 in the codec api |
| 12:05:54 | JdGordon | imo it should be consistant with the actual function, not whats using it (for firmware/ level functions only though, apps is another story) |
| 12:08:32 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Those objects are unused on single-core SWCODEC targets, but are still compiled? |
| 12:10:07 | jhMikeS | lixuxstb: yes, config.h could be refined to keep it out until used. |
| 12:10:26 | jhMikeS | the event is used, semaphore, no |
| 12:12:45 | jhMikeS | semaphore _was_ used when we had voice swapping |
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| 12:30:33 | JdGordon | is 32 chars enough for most of the possible id3 fields? |
| 12:30:49 | JdGordon | im tihnking band and track title might be the only ones which would come close? |
| 12:32:04 | jhMikeS | 32? not with my stuff |
| 12:32:26 | JdGordon | not enough? or not close to being a problem? |
| 12:32:52 | jhMikeS | alot of classical stuff would go way over that |
| 12:34:07 | JdGordon | like what? |
| 12:34:19 | JdGordon | 31 letters is a pretty decent amount... |
| 12:34:25 | GodEater | no it's not |
| 12:34:29 | jhMikeS | bo beep - mary had a little lamb <= 33 letters |
| 12:34:31 | markun | JdGordon: who are you to decide that? |
| 12:34:35 | GodEater | Classical stuff wouldn't even come close to fitting in there |
| 12:35:06 | JdGordon | markun: I'm not... just trying to implement 8955 a bit nicer |
| 12:36:09 | markun | JdGordon: even after reading that page I have no idea what it does :) |
| 12:36:53 | JdGordon | it removes id3 fields which dont have any data so the list might actually fit on one screen |
| 12:36:57 | JdGordon | or be more readable |
| 12:37:17 | JdGordon | I wanted to use the simplelist buffer, but its currently only got room for 32 32char strings |
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| 12:45:09 | JdGordon | ok then... back to finshing off the bloody bookmarks patch :/ |
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| 12:59:20 | JdGordon | would anyone object to me adding a line in the rockbox info screen saying the AA size the current wps expects? |
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| 13:10:08 | cool_walking_ | I'm trying to "unbrick" a Sansa e260 (following SansaE200Unbrick), but none of the Recovery, Manufacturing, or Pre-boot modes seem to work. I don't get any USB connectivity or indication that I've entered that mode (screen stays completely black). The only feedback I have is the lighting up of the wheel, and the fact that (most of the time) it turns off when holding "power/menu" for 30 secs. |
| 13:12:55 | * | JdGordon doesnt really see the need to speak the line saying the AA dimensions... |
| 13:12:57 | amiconn | JdGordon: 32 chars would be way too short for some of my tracks |
| 13:13:24 | JdGordon | ok ok... I've moved on from that :p |
| 13:16:48 | JdGordon | also... why is disk free space above disk size in the info screen? |
| 13:16:56 | * | JdGordon tihnks they shold be swapped |
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| 13:25:16 | JdGordon | is the number order in configure really important? |
| 13:25:40 | JdGordon | I think Philips and Meizu should be swapped to maybe make that last row easier to read? |
| 13:25:49 | JdGordon | or can we add some extra spaces in? |
| 13:28:25 | JdGordon | as long as we stay under 80chars wide its OK yeah? |
| 13:28:39 | JdGordon | or are consoles expected to be narrower? |
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| 13:30:09 | JdGordon | Bagder: 70chars at its widest is still OK yeah? |
| 13:30:27 | Bagder | 78 or so should be fine |
| 13:30:34 | JdGordon | ok cool |
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| 13:47:42 | Dementio | anyone know how to compile in a default hard drive spin down time? |
| 13:48:16 | Dementio | to be more specific, i need to turn it off completely |
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| 14:03:16 | JdGordon | Dementio: why would you want to? |
| 14:03:55 | JdGordon | the spin down time is only used if the user made the disk spin.. if its just rebuffering it turns off automatically as soon as its done (iirc) |
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| 14:06:23 | Dementio | i have an ipod video with the cfmod, i finally got it to boot by changing two lines in system-99502xx.c, but now it hard locks once the spindown time is reached |
| 14:06:50 | Dementio | as in once it boots, i had less than 4 seconds to change the setting from 4 seconds |
| 14:07:16 | Dementio | i was finally able to get it set to 254, but it still locks once that time is reached |
| 14:07:38 | * | JdGordon thought the cf mod worked fine on all targets now |
| 14:07:44 | Dementio | nope |
| 14:07:51 | Dementio | not on all cf cards |
| 14:08:01 | Dementio | trying to get it working with a-data's |
| 14:08:16 | Dementio | which seems to be the one most people bought |
| 14:08:38 | JdGordon | amiconn: didnt you fix it so cf cards worked correctly? |
| 14:08:44 | Dementio | it still gives an ata error: -1 with the default code |
| 14:11:30 | Dementio | PS: this was with r18563M-080922 from SVN |
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| 14:21:23 | MarcGuay | Does BCB mean anything to anyone? Boot Code Block? Boot Code Binary? |
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| 14:25:23 | markun | MarcGuay: what's the context? |
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| 14:27:02 | MarcGuay | The Zen V Plus firmware doesn't have a FBOOT file the way the ZVM does. Instead it has a very small FBCB file which contains the strings STMP (the chip), BCB2, and CACA. I'm thinking it's just filler saying "the bootloader is on the ROM in the STMP". |
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| 14:27:48 | MarcGuay | Am curious if BCB is a known acronym. |
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| 14:29:35 | LambdaCalculus37 | MarcGuay: Did you try punching it into Wikipedia or Google? |
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| 14:31:07 | MarcGuay | LambdaCalculus37: Absolutely. I wouldn't ask before researching first. |
| 14:31:23 | GodEater | MarcGuay is a good little netizen ;) |
| 14:31:41 | MarcGuay | Civic pride |
| 14:31:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | Ha! Wikipedia gave me "Borland C++ Builder"! :P |
| 14:32:35 | Dementio | ok, can i possibly fry my ipod if i keep changing certain parts of ata.c? |
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| 14:33:12 | GodEater | Dementio: I can't think of a way you can |
| 14:33:26 | Dementio | ok, good |
| 14:33:26 | Dementio | lol |
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| 14:33:57 | Dementio | Buffer Control Block? |
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| 14:35:18 | Dementio | anyway, what if i just made it reference ata_flash.c instead of ata.c? |
| 14:35:23 | Dementio | i really don't know |
| 14:35:35 | Dementio | not much of a programmer |
| 14:35:37 | LambdaCalculus37 | Dementio: http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/Buffer+Control+Block |
| 14:35:53 | Dementio | i know |
| 14:36:10 | Dementio | MarcGuay was asking what BCB stood for |
| 14:36:28 | LambdaCalculus37 | Dementio: Except that Buffer Control Block is on that list. |
| 14:36:37 | Dementio | ? |
| 14:36:42 | LambdaCalculus37 | MarcGuay: I also got Block Control Byte. |
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| 14:38:10 | JdGordon | does the ATA spec have a no-op command? |
| 14:38:26 | GodEater | not that I recall |
| 14:39:02 | JdGordon | Dementio: I was hoping amiconn would help you out... anyway, you can comment out the block in firmware/drivers/ata.c in ata_perform_sleep() |
| 14:39:20 | MarcGuay | LambdaCalculus37: I guess I didn't look as hard as I thought, thanks. |
| 14:39:24 | Dementio | i'll try that now |
| 14:39:27 | Dementio | thankie |
| 14:39:55 | JdGordon | GodEater: yeah, I didnt think so but changing 1 value is easier than finding the right code to comment out for him :) |
| 14:40:01 | LambdaCalculus37 | MarcGuay: No worries. :) |
| 14:40:24 | GodEater | JdGordon: you are the epitomy of the lazy programmer ;) |
| 14:40:49 | JdGordon | no! it seems there is a NOP command |
| 14:40:59 | JdGordon | and since when is being lazy bad for a progreammer? :D |
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| 14:42:53 | GodEater | I never said it was *bad* :) |
| 14:42:53 | amiconn | The proper thing to do would be to find out which command hangs, and in what way, and then fix the driver to handle this |
| 14:44:02 | GodEater | JdGordon: I seem to recall you getting punched once as a result :) I even have the video somewhere! |
| 14:44:18 | JdGordon | that wasnt me being lazy... |
| 14:44:32 | JdGordon | that was not testing enough, or something, or red delta... |
| 14:45:17 | GodEater | not testing could be considered lazy |
| 14:45:29 | GodEater | I don't think it was a red delta though |
| 14:45:51 | JdGordon | amiconn: shouldnt we be checking the disk actually supports sleeping before calling SET_REG(ATA_COMMAND, CMD_SLEEP);? |
| 14:46:54 | JdGordon | or is that done elsewhere? |
| 14:47:11 | amiconn | The problem is that many CF's report that they support it, but they don't -> spec violation |
| 14:47:53 | JdGordon | so apart from custom builds, there really isnt much we can do? |
| 14:47:55 | Dementio | amiconn, what is seems, is that anything that tries to write to the drive after the spindown time has passed |
| 14:48:03 | Dementio | sorry, was on console |
| 14:54:04 | Dementio | JdGordon, which ata_perform_sleep() do i comment out? there's two |
| 14:54:06 | Dementio | both? |
| 14:54:43 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 14:54:48 | Dementio | k |
| 14:54:50 | JdGordon | or just comment out the code inside that function |
| 14:57:05 | Dementio | um.... |
| 14:57:12 | Dementio | <−−−−first time with c |
| 14:57:13 | Dementio | lol |
| 14:57:48 | Dementio | i was just gonna delete the line |
| 14:57:50 | Dementio | :/ |
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| 15:09:37 | Dementio | now if only my ipod would get enough of a charge to run |
| 15:09:38 | Dementio | lol |
| 15:12:48 | petur | hmmm I thought all CF cards were supported... |
| 15:13:13 | Dementio | nope |
| 15:14:14 | petur | and this is with a bootloader and build from current svn? |
| 15:16:22 | Dementio | yup |
| 15:17:43 | petur | and it boots and runs right up until the spindown? |
| 15:18:13 | Dementio | works fine till then, once "DEV_RS = 0x3ffffef8;" is commented out |
| 15:18:27 | Dementio | otherwise i still get an ATA Error: -1 |
| 15:18:59 | LambdaCalculus37 | What kind of CF card is it? |
| 15:19:06 | Dementio | a-data 32gb |
| 15:21:10 | petur | bah.. I have an A-Data 8GB and Transcend 32GB...and no ipod to test in anyway |
| 15:22:53 | petur | part of the fix for CF was to always do an init, even after a soft reset (which should keep the config), so we had a similar issue fixed :( |
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| 15:24:14 | Dementio | i tried manually changing the setting in the config file while in disk mode, but it doesn't use it. is it suppose to be that way? |
| 15:24:44 | Dementio | it would only use the setting if it was selected in the menu |
| 15:24:49 | petur | I meant the CF configuration that is done at startup (pio mode,...) |
| 15:24:56 | Dementio | dur |
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| 15:25:43 | petur | euh... you mean rockbox doesn't load its config file? |
| 15:26:14 | Dementio | not if i type in the settings manually |
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| 15:26:52 | Dementio | in the config.cfg file |
| 15:27:08 | petur | but any settings you save are loaded again? |
| 15:27:17 | Dementio | yeah |
| 15:27:25 | petur | I suspect you type them wrong |
| 15:27:43 | Dementio | i copied and pasted out of another config |
| 15:27:49 | petur | or some CR/LF or encoding issue? |
| 15:27:53 | Dementio | disk spindown: 254 |
| 15:27:56 | Dementio | i use vi |
| 15:28:07 | petur | I've edited them lots of time |
| 15:30:03 | Dementio | i just got a completely fresh svn copy, and i'll only comment out "DEV_RS = 0x3ffffef8" and try to load the config |
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| 15:40:37 | Dementio | what happens if i set disk spindown to 0? |
| 15:40:43 | Dementio | anything? |
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| 15:41:43 | lazka | recent build crashes on my sansa right after the intro screen |
| 15:41:53 | JdGordon | how recent? |
| 15:41:57 | JdGordon | which sansa? |
| 15:42:01 | lazka | e200 |
| 15:42:06 | markun | r18578? |
| 15:42:19 | JdGordon | did you extract the whole zip file or just rockbox.mi4? |
| 15:42:25 | * | markun blames JdGordon :) |
| 15:42:25 | lazka | rbutil.. |
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| 15:42:51 | lazka | i'll try the zip.. |
| 15:50:40 | lazka | ok.. zip works.. |
| 15:51:26 | Dementio | ok, not even with changing DEV_RS, i still get an ATA Error: -1 |
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| 15:58:59 | Dementio | thanks for the help guys, i'm quitting for tonight |
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| 17:21:16 | * | pixelma wonders why JdGordon had to invent a new feature for album art related language strings - is lcd_non-mono not good enough? |
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| 17:24:55 | Jungti1234 | hi |
| 17:28:01 | pixelma | looks like some of the ports in progress but already in the buildtable don't have album art even though they don't have monochrome displays (M:Robe500 + the Zens) |
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| 17:29:53 | pixelma | and I'm not sure I ever would expect the album art size stated in the Rockbox Info screen... |
| 17:30:47 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: I was wondering how that's supposed to work (the album art size info). |
| 17:30:55 | pixelma | that too |
| 17:31:26 | LambdaCalculus37 | Does it show you the album art size according to the cabbiev2 theme? Or your current WPS? I'm puzzled. |
| 17:31:43 | * | LambdaCalculus37 thinks we should pester JdGordon|zzz later, when he's awake |
| 17:35:48 | BigBambi | Current WPS according to what he said earlier |
| 17:35:57 | BigBambi | (IIUC) |
| 17:36:28 | LambdaCalculus37 | BigBambi: Ahh, okay. Thanks! |
| 17:37:25 | pixelma | unrelated, but I also wonder whether I should try to check in my few changes to the manual (mostly cosmetic ones) from here now. I think they should go into the release branch too... not very comfortable to do here but I'm not sure how much time I'd have to do so later but before the release :\ |
| 17:39:16 | pixelma | "few" as in "a number of files but no major changes... except the text_viewer one |
| 17:39:20 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: If it's mostly cosmetic, I say go for it. |
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| 17:42:11 | LambdaCalculus37 | Hillshum_: One less n. ;) |
| 17:42:24 | Hillshum_ | query dany_21a |
| 17:42:35 | pixelma | and a / at the start |
| 17:44:04 | dany_21a | hello again |
| 17:44:54 | Hillshum_ | had to push the video card in, try to boot off old disk with ubuntu, and wait for live cd to boot |
| 17:45:45 | Hillshum_ | so i'm not on my system i am devleoping on |
| 17:46:00 | dany_21a | okay... |
| 17:46:19 | dany_21a | you asked for support while patching a non E200-Player - or? |
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| 17:47:11 | Hillshum_ | i want to help port e200v2, but need to learn how to doo it... |
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| 17:48:15 | dany_21a | ah... so you have a e200? thats good - bec. on that device we can gain direct access to the flash over USB, so you can easily unbrick it |
| 17:48:24 | dany_21a | but you have to open the player for that |
| 17:48:25 | Hillshum_ | yeah |
| 17:48:38 | * | Hillshum_ needs to clean it anyway |
| 17:48:54 | dany_21a | okay :) |
| 17:49:48 | dany_21a | http://flickr.com/photos/90053035@N00/2495460818/in/set-72157605072639496/ |
| 17:50:12 | dany_21a | search for that open solder pads (the two on the top of that pic) |
| 17:50:33 | dany_21a | and solder two wires two them and connect them via switch |
| 17:51:01 | Hillshum_ | i've taken it fully apart many a time |
| 17:51:36 | dany_21a | (you dont need to solder a switch to them - you can also bridge them on demand with a piece of wire... but its much more comfortable) |
| 17:52:08 | * | Hillshum_ would like to avoid soldering |
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| 17:52:50 | dany_21a | anyhow... just try once to get into the recovery mode, only to check if it works, when needed :) |
| 17:53:28 | dany_21a | btw. i also use that mode to upload a new firmware - so i have only to upload some bytes, and not the whole firmware all the time - saves a lot of time |
| 17:53:58 | Hillshum_ | really? |
| 17:55:22 | Hillshum_ | leave the bat out? |
| 17:56:05 | dany_21a | you can power it via usb - i have mine connected to a external power supply |
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| 17:58:09 | Hillshum_ | the inner screws are not cooperating |
| 17:58:17 | dany_21a | ? |
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| 17:58:35 | Hillshum_ | the hard to take out ones |
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| 18:02:29 | Hillshum_ | my mouse is on one usb port and my dsl modem on the other |
| 18:06:18 | dany_21a | you mean you have no free usb-port? take the mouse away, temporary |
| 18:06:27 | Hillshum_ | ow long do i bridge it? |
| 18:06:49 | dany_21a | after plugging in - wait some seconds and then take away the bridge |
| 18:07:02 | dany_21a | it mostly works... sometimes i have to repeat that procedure |
| 18:07:11 | dany_21a | after that check dmesg |
| 18:07:16 | Hillshum_ | or steal hub from sister |
| 18:07:18 | dany_21a | or "sudo fdisk -l" |
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| 18:26:12 | Hillshum__ | had to reboot |
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| 18:27:22 | Hillshum__ | plugging it in normal dosn't show up on hardy live |
| 18:30:43 | Hillshum__ | never mind it was in mtp |
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| 18:36:14 | Strife89 | How's it looking for the release? |
| 18:37:41 | amiconn | Are there opinions on whether mp3-on-cop and the a52 speedup should be put into the 3.0 branch? |
| 18:38:18 | gevaerts | I wouldn't put mp3-on-cop in 3.0. No opinion on the a52 speedup |
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| 18:39:10 | markun | maybe we can release a 3.1 soon with all these new and untested improvements |
| 18:39:25 | Strife89 | I like that idea. |
| 18:39:56 | LambdaCalculus37 | Me too. |
| 18:40:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | Strife89: Tonight's the night! |
| 18:40:44 | Strife89 | What time? (just curious) |
| 18:41:49 | LambdaCalculus37 | Strife89: According to Bagder, 23:00 his local time. |
| 18:42:20 | Hillshum__ | + 1 or 2 or so |
| 18:42:30 | Strife89 | GMT -4 for me, I think. |
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| 18:43:36 | kokoon | good day |
| 18:44:05 | LambdaCalculus37 | Strife89: No, you're GMT -5, like I am. |
| 18:44:18 | kokoon | are there any devs with CFmod knowledge here? |
| 18:44:34 | Strife89 | LambdaCalculus37: My bad; I got confused. |
| 18:44:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | kokoon: Ask away. Anyone who knows the answer can help you. |
| 18:44:43 | kokoon | i could use some help... |
| 18:44:47 | kokoon | ok sure |
| 18:45:16 | kokoon | so i've been running a Transcend 32Gb CF card in my Iriver H320 for a while now |
| 18:45:32 | kokoon | and i got tired of all the I03 errors a few times a day |
| 18:45:47 | kokoon | and i thought something must have changed in the last 3 months (or so) |
| 18:46:06 | kokoon | got the newest bootloader - or at least i think i did |
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| 18:46:17 | kokoon | and now i'm stuck with ata -80 error |
| 18:46:23 | kokoon | end of story |
| 18:46:32 | kokoon | so from what i've gathered |
| 18:46:35 | Hillshum__ | dany_21a: ivve run dmesg and the sansa connects but disconnects before it finnishes |
| 18:46:37 | Strife89 | I had an idea earlier today, and it stems from the fact that I have found a lot of music (mostly game remixes, I'll admit) that is 100% free. So, for those looking to expand their collection, perhaps we could have a FreeMusic Wiki page? |
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| 18:46:48 | kokoon | the bootloader i was using before was patched |
| 18:47:04 | kokoon | and those patches fixed that exact issue |
| 18:47:17 | kokoon | am i right? |
| 18:48:03 | kokoon | oh, forgot to say, i also got a reply on the forum that said that my I03 problem was from a bug in a bootlader version from back then (that i used) |
| 18:48:14 | kokoon | so... there's still no question, is it... |
| 18:48:18 | LambdaCalculus37 | Strife89: Perhaps, but why don't we also ask about it in -community? |
| 18:48:21 | kokoon | how do i make it work? |
| 18:48:39 | Strife89 | LambdaCalculus37: I'm in there, hang on and I'll paste. |
| 18:49:18 | childofkorn | hi - i found a bug - and got a workaround for me, can anyone please tell me where to report it properly? |
| 18:50:08 | domonoky | childofkorn: if it really is a bug, put it into our flyspray Bug/patch tracker... but perhaps first tell us the problem :-) |
| 18:50:16 | * | amiconn will now test bootboxes and then start building flash images |
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| 18:50:42 | dany_21a | Hillshum__: have you tried to repeat it a few times? |
| 18:50:47 | amiconn | I could need a tester with an fm recorder or a recorder v2 |
| 18:50:59 | amiconn | The others I can test myself |
| 18:51:26 | markun | kokoon: I don't know myself, but I've seen other people about CF problems today |
| 18:51:46 | domonoky | amiconn: have you seen fs#9411 ? (about flashing problems on recorderfm) |
| 18:51:54 | kokoon | you mean you know who can help |
| 18:52:03 | kokoon | markun: or did you have problems yourself |
| 18:53:49 | amiconn | domonoky: No, but I just checked. Maybe he's running an old flash image. I have no idea without further information |
| 18:53:51 | markun | kokoon: maybe petur knows something about it, but he's not here right now. He's here pretty much every day. |
| 18:54:05 | childofkorn | i update relatively often to new rockbox builds. i have an iriver ihp 120 on which i had installed the iriver firmware 1.66E. after the last two rockbox updates my mp3 playing was nearly a complete mashup since i got a distorted signal on my right earphone. downgrading to 1.63 fixed the problem |
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| 18:54:28 | markun | amiconn: do you know anything about it? |
| 18:54:36 | kokoon | markun: yeah, i saw that nickname, you think he'd be back today? |
| 18:54:38 | domonoky | childofkorn: thats known, and already fixed in the latest builds, afaik.. |
| 18:54:55 | markun | kokoon: could be, probably having dinner now. |
| 18:55:01 | kokoon | ah cool |
| 18:55:03 | kokoon | thanks a lot |
| 18:55:47 | domonoky | amiconn: i talked with this user, and he had the new build roloed when he tried to flash, but perhaps he needs to update the whole flash (not only one image) ? |
| 18:55:52 | kokoon | besides that... is there maybe something like a "mother of all" CFmod wiki pages/ forum posts? |
| 18:55:53 | kokoon | cause... |
| 18:55:59 | kokoon | the info is scattered everywhere |
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| 18:56:17 | amiconn | domonoky: That's what I mean. He doesn't state any relevant version information |
| 18:56:18 | childofkorn | domonoky: strange, because it was today when i fixed it myself... on the other hand - can't it be because of the bootloader? because i never update the bootloader itself but the build. |
| 18:56:55 | amiconn | Btw, bootbox has grown so that we need to cut the next 4KB flash block from main image space. :( |
| 18:57:17 | domonoky | childofkorn: the distorted sound on h1x0 was a problem with the rockbox build, not bootloader or iriver firmware.. |
| 18:58:33 | childofkorn | domonoky: which was fixed not in the immideately following build? because i updated on a slightly newer one one day later and still had the problem (maybe 2 days ago) |
| 18:59:21 | domonoky | childofkorn: as far as i know it was broken for a few days, as nobody noticed the problem :-) |
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| 19:00:12 | childofkorn | well, i am a hardcore - mp3 and software user |
| 19:00:26 | childofkorn | ok, fixed for me - never mind. i guess i will not upgrade the iriver firmware anyway, because it did not bring _any_ advantage for me |
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| 19:03:44 | amiconn | We certainly don't need arabjoin and hangul handling in the bootloaders, do we? |
| 19:04:26 | LambdaCalculus37 | I don't believe so. |
| 19:04:48 | childofkorn | one more for the kill? - battery is a topic to talk years about, but, when rockbox shuts down because of lack of battery power, i frequently start the iriver fimware, because there is a little more "power" left, since it recalculates the power a little faster on startup - here it comes: i get no more files and folders, and the only entry i see is completely shredded. can it be that rockbox can not unmount the filesystem proper |
| 19:05:23 | childofkorn | please excuse my english 0_o |
| 19:06:13 | domonoky | childofkorn: perhaps the OF doesnt show any files, because there is not enough power to spinup the HD ? (but we dont care about the OFs here, so thats offtopic) .. :-) |
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| 19:08:55 | childofkorn | i can slightly deny; i pluged it in just to turn rockbox regularly on and off, that the shutdown is no longer battery caused and plugged it off imediately. after that i can access all files and folders with the OF |
| 19:09:28 | childofkorn | if rockbox' shutdown causes the problem, it is close to the border of OT |
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| 19:13:47 | childofkorn | rechage time was just as long as both, startup and shutdown needed to properly happen. so this was my first guess. since i am really into IT- I wanted to clear out as much as possible |
| 19:17:51 | childofkorn | any idea? |
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| 19:26:24 | amiconn | Disabling arabjoin and bidi code saves ~2KB uncompressed, ~1.4KB compressed |
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| 19:26:54 | amiconn | I'll also disable greyblitting for the bootloaders |
| 19:27:43 | amiconn | Too bad that the binsize table shows no bootloader stats |
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| 19:32:03 | gevaerts | markun: can we assume that the first 32K of M6SL.ebn is the bootloader? |
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| 19:38:32 | pixelma | ok, just committed some manual changes to the main trunk. If someone thinks it's worth putting them into the release branch as well (and could test compile for all release targets, though I've tested quite a bit myself) and has the time to commit them now, feel free... |
| 19:40:00 | gevaerts | pixelma: I can test-compile them, so I'll have a go |
| 19:40:21 | pixelma | I could only do this myself in a bit more than an hour or so, this might give some more time for a reaction before the release |
| 19:40:30 | pixelma | thanks :) |
| 19:41:06 | gevaerts | We're talking about r18580 and r18581, right? |
| 19:41:08 | amiconn | ugh, bootbox is buggy :( |
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| 19:42:57 | amiconn | I've just locked myself out from my recorder :( |
| 19:43:08 | LambdaCalculus37 | I can't even get bootbox to work correctly on my Recorder. |
| 19:43:22 | amiconn | USB doesn't work |
| 19:43:44 | amiconn | ...and I have bootbox in both slots now, and no proper ajbrec.ajz on disk |
| 19:44:55 | pixelma | gevaerts: yes - if some people agree they're worth it |
| 19:45:16 | gevaerts | I do at least |
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| 19:46:37 | amiconn | pixelma: Do you think the cube.c changes should go into release? (fixes the impossible combos, but needs fixing the manual as well) |
| 19:47:24 | pixelma | gevaerts: nice, got to leave, catch my train |
| 19:47:44 | pixelma | amiconn: don't know but would have prepared the manual change already ;) |
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| 19:52:32 | Strife89 | LambdaCalculus37: Finished the page, if you want to look at it. |
| 19:52:38 | Strife89 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FreeMusic |
| 19:53:26 | LambdaCalculus37 | Strife89: I made one little fix so that BitTorrent doesn't appear as a dead link. |
| 19:53:37 | Strife89 | Whoops. :) |
| 19:55:58 | gevaerts | The manual contains an empty changelog. Shouldn't we just drop that? |
| 19:56:46 | markun | gevaerts: isn't the size of the booloader in this 'header' after the jump table? |
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| 19:57:34 | gevaerts | markun: http://pastebin.ca/1209526 has my understanding of it |
| 19:58:54 | childofkorn | domonoky: i realized that i forgot to mention your name before i replied. did you read what i replied? |
| 19:59:19 | markun | gevaerts: looks right |
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| 20:01:58 | markun | gevaerts: hm, wait, the bootloader doesn't contain the LCD init, does it? |
| 20:02:17 | gevaerts | markun: the "Loading" string is after the first 32k |
| 20:09:50 | amiconn | Phew, actually not locked out, just didn't press the correct button to get the alternate (working) bootbox |
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| 20:10:45 | amiconn | I wonder what happened to bootbox though. It doesn't want to enter usb mode. Almost looks like a threading problem (some thread not acknowledging usb) |
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| 20:11:05 | amiconn | Sounds like a binchop task :\ |
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| 20:12:24 | amiconn | LambdaCalculus37: Btw, in what way(s) doesn't it work correctly for you? |
| 20:15:44 | LambdaCalculus37 | amiconn: I flashed bootbox to my JBRv1, but nothing works. The charging screen doesn't appear when I hook it to the AC adapter, and the rescue mode (F1+ON) doesn't work, either. |
| 20:16:01 | * | LambdaCalculus37 probably thinks it's because he didn't flash something properly |
| 20:17:16 | amiconn | Well, if you flashed the .ucl, it will boot as the standard image. F1 is for the alternate one, i.e. the old (working) bootbox |
| 20:17:30 | amiconn | Charging screen works for me, as does loading ajbrec.ajz |
| 20:17:57 | amiconn | But if ajbrec.ajz isn't there, it asks to use usb to fix it, but then fails to enter usb mode |
| 20:18:02 | amiconn | The old one works |
| 20:18:35 | amiconn | It also fails to enter usb mode when detecting early usb |
| 20:18:46 | LambdaCalculus37 | But is that flashing rockbox.ucl or rombox.ucl? |
| 20:19:03 | amiconn | There is no rombox for bootbox |
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| 20:20:27 | LambdaCalculus37 | amiconn: I flashed bootbox to my Archos JB5000. Then I "played" rombox.ucl afterwards and flashed that. |
| 20:20:41 | amiconn | ? |
| 20:20:58 | LambdaCalculus37 | But what about on the Recorder? |
| 20:21:11 | * | amiconn doesn't understand what LambdaCalculus37 is trying to do |
| 20:21:22 | amiconn | I thought you wanted to test a current bootbox |
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| 20:23:48 | * | LambdaCalculus37 starts from the top again |
| 20:24:36 | LambdaCalculus37 | Okay, I just tried F1+ON on my JBRv1 again. It's working. |
| 20:24:50 | LambdaCalculus37 | I think I was just doing the button combination wrong. |
| 20:25:11 | amiconn | F1+On starts the alternate flash image, which is the old, stable bootbox |
| 20:25:18 | LambdaCalculus37 | Right. |
| 20:25:25 | amiconn | ..which in turn will rolo an ajbrec.ajz if present |
| 20:25:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | amiconn: I think I got confused by the wiki and manual instructions, which are horribly outdated at this point. |
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| 20:25:50 | amiconn | If you want to test a current bootbox without risk, you need to flash it like you would normally flash rockbox |
| 20:26:09 | amiconn | I.e. "play" rockbox.ucl from a bootbox package |
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| 20:26:32 | amiconn | When powering off & on afterwards, _this_ bootbox will start by default |
| 20:26:59 | amiconn | Then you can check what works and what doesn't, e.g. by renaming ajbrec.ajz to something else and rebooting |
| 20:27:15 | amiconn | Bootbox won't find ajbrec.ajz and ask you to fix it via usb |
| 20:27:42 | amiconn | If it doesn't work, you can still fix it via the alternate (old) boobox, by booting with F1 pressed |
| 20:28:37 | bluebrother | boobox? ;-) |
| 20:28:43 | amiconn | Once we can be sure that a current bootbox works, I will make new flash images from them |
| 20:29:23 | amiconn | I mean those things which are flashed using firmware_flash, and which will contain the new (fixed) bootbox as the alternate one |
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| 20:32:20 | gevaerts | markun: meizu force off is long play, right? |
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| 20:56:36 | tucoz | Hi |
| 20:57:09 | * | tucoz wonders what to do about the working with playlists chapter and the 3.0 release |
| 20:57:19 | tucoz | for the manual that is |
| 20:58:24 | tucoz | There is a fixme there right now. I would like to suggest that we get rid of that, and either keep the content as-is, or improve what is written |
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| 20:59:05 | tucoz | most important not to have the fixme there for the release manual |
| 20:59:54 | gevaerts | I'd work on it, but I've never actually used playlists (except for "insert last"). How wrong is that chapter? |
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| 21:00:25 | tucoz | there is also a fixme for trigtype in the recording settings chapter, which i think we should fix. not sure what that is thought. |
| 21:00:31 | tucoz | *though |
| 21:01:17 | tucoz | gevaerts: i am not sure. i only used playlistst like yourself |
| 21:01:27 | pixelma | there's a more informative page in the wiki about triggered recording, I wanted to move the info over one day... |
| 21:01:38 | tucoz | but i'll read through it and see if something obvious pops up |
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| 21:02:34 | tucoz | I think we can safely remove "more description is needed" from the doom chapter. |
| 21:03:11 | gevaerts | At least from the 3.0 manual, yes |
| 21:03:34 | tucoz | and also appendix D menu overview |
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| 21:03:43 | pixelma | I agree |
| 21:03:55 | tucoz | ok, i'll fix those two things right now |
| 21:04:13 | gevaerts | I'll remove the m:robe 100 warning about rbutil 1.0.5 |
| 21:04:24 | pixelma | what happened to the "disabling broken plugins" plan? |
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| 21:04:48 | gevaerts | I disabled several of them |
| 21:05:00 | pixelma | in the manual too? |
| 21:05:02 | gevaerts | yes |
| 21:05:09 | amiconn | Is there an easy way to find an (approximate) SVN revision for a specified date? |
| 21:05:16 | * | gevaerts checks to make sure |
| 21:05:41 | * | amiconn needs to find out how far to go back for binchopping |
| 21:06:06 | bluebrother | amiconn: you can svn up -r <date> |
| 21:06:18 | gevaerts | amiconn: svn log -r '{2008-09-23}' |
| 21:06:37 | pixelma | gevaerts: for which players did you disable metronome? Need to update here first, and actually first really arrive here and grab something to eat |
| 21:06:50 | amiconn | thx |
| 21:06:53 | * | bluebrother just realized the log version himself :) |
| 21:06:58 | bluebrother | just a bit too late |
| 21:07:08 | gevaerts | pixelma: c200, ondio and player |
| 21:07:11 | amiconn | Gah, >8000 revisions to chop through... |
| 21:07:32 | pixelma | gevaerts: ah ok, those are the ones I thought about too |
| 21:08:00 | gevaerts | pixelma: yes, you told me that list :) |
| 21:08:11 | tucoz | amiconn: no commit log messages that can help you? |
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| 21:08:22 | gevaerts | ouch, still in the manual |
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| 21:09:05 | amiconn | tucoz: How would that help? I have no idea in which source file the bug hides, and I know that bootbox from July 2006 works, and current bootbox is broken |
| 21:09:24 | amiconn | 2006-07-1 is r10160 |
| 21:10:46 | gevaerts | I'll fix the volume ranges in the manual |
| 21:11:11 | tucoz | amiconn: i was thinking of searching through http://www.rockbox.org/since25.html for clues, as you get a nice formatting and each revision's files next to each other. |
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| 21:14:39 | amiconn | Not if I have absolutely no idea what could be the cause |
| 21:15:07 | amiconn | It's *probably* something related to USB_ACKNOWLEDGE, but that's all I have atm |
| 21:15:34 | tucoz | sounds hard to find out, but very cool if you do |
| 21:15:49 | amiconn | Binchopping has the advantage that it doesn't take that long even for large ranges |
| 21:16:06 | amiconn | 8000 revisions should be 13 steps |
| 21:16:39 | amiconn | But I'm running out of time; Bagder wants to start the 3.0 builds in about 2 hours |
| 21:17:04 | gevaerts | Some ipods have the default battery capacity as unknown in the manual. Should I fix those with whatever is in config-*.h, or do we need confirmation that it's also the real battery capacity? |
| 21:17:09 | * | tucoz found 22 results for binchop in google |
| 21:17:26 | gevaerts | tucoz: also called bisect |
| 21:17:27 | tucoz | sorry 65 |
| 21:17:30 | tucoz | i see |
| 21:17:40 | Llorean | gevaerts: Even if it's not the actual capacity, it's still the default, right? |
| 21:17:45 | gevaerts | right |
| 21:17:48 | tucoz | that i know of |
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| 21:18:30 | Llorean | gevaerts: So I don't see any reason not to document it, maybe with a note saying (this value may not reflect the actual battery capacity in some cases) or something |
| 21:19:02 | tucoz | what do you say about the changelog? Use MajorChanges from the wiki? |
| 21:19:20 | amiconn | gevaerts: http://www.ipodbatteryfaq.com/ipodbatteryandpower.html |
| 21:19:28 | * | gevaerts looks |
| 21:19:33 | Llorean | tucoz: It's a great start, at least |
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| 21:20:20 | tucoz | Llorean: ok |
| 21:21:00 | pixelma | gevaerts: thanks for committing my changes to the release branch |
| 21:21:26 | LambdaCalculus37 | tucoz: I was going to add some more description to the doom manual page, but I haven't got commit access just right now, but I'll do it later on. Nothing fancy; just some basic gameplay description and the like. |
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| 21:22:21 | ameyer | Llorean: also, with all supported iPods being 2+ years old and what lithium ion batteries do as they age, I'd say it certainly doesn't reflect the actual battery capacity, YMMV, though. |
| 21:22:33 | pixelma | LambdaCalculus37: so that people get the right impression of Rockbox? It's all about doom... ;) |
| 21:22:52 | tucoz | LambdaCalculus37: do you want it in for the 3.0 releas? |
| 21:22:55 | tucoz | +e |
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| 21:23:51 | Llorean | ameyer: Well the goal is for the default to be the factory installed capacity. In a few cases this probably isn't true still. |
| 21:24:38 | ameyer | fair enough |
| 21:24:50 | * | ameyer should have kept his mouth shut |
| 21:26:19 | LambdaCalculus37 | tucoz: No, not needed. And actually, pixelma has a point. |
| 21:26:31 | Llorean | Basically, the "default" is also the "minimum" in many cases, since it's rare people buy replacement batteries with lower capacities than the original. |
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| 21:27:14 | ameyer | after the release, there'll still be official svn builds, right? |
| 21:27:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | Yes. |
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| 21:27:41 | LambdaCalculus37 | Why would we stop official SVN builds? ;) |
| 21:27:49 | tucoz | should the changelog be in ascending or descending order by date? or some other arrangement? |
| 21:27:57 | gevaerts | Llorean: the default settings aren't changed yet. I most probably won't do that as (a) I'm busy with the manual now, and (b) I've never touched settings code before, and I don't want to break the release |
| 21:28:11 | ameyer | LambdaCalculus37: because you want everybody to use the release? |
| 21:28:18 | gevaerts | tucoz: I commented out the changelog in main.tex, so you'll have to re-enable it |
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| 21:29:09 | tucoz | gevaerts: yes i noticed |
| 21:29:31 | ameyer | although having development builds avaliable for testing has its benefits |
| 21:30:01 | amiconn | ameyer: If you ask me, the release is just a point in svn history. Especially the current one... |
| 21:30:21 | * | amiconn thinks the release doesn't have release quality, even |
| 21:30:48 | * | ameyer agrees and points at the sansa/iPod usb reboot bug |
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| 21:31:07 | * | gevaerts somewhat agrees, but thinks that it's good to get releases going anyway |
| 21:31:24 | * | tucoz agrees with gevaerts |
| 21:31:31 | amiconn | There are dozens of gui glitches (wrong fonts, scrolling lines from old screen poking through, wrong list behaviour...) |
| 21:31:34 | * | LambdaCalculus37 also agrees with gevaerts |
| 21:31:59 | * | gevaerts wonders what happened to r18459 |
| 21:32:12 | bluebrother | well, it's a .0 release. Doesn't give any excuse of being bad, but anyway ... |
| 21:32:39 | tucoz | and it is also the first release in 3 years |
| 21:32:57 | bluebrother | the problem I see is that after the release everything goes back to "normal". It would be good to have more focus on bugfixing in the next months though / instead. |
| 21:33:12 | bluebrother | to get a better 3.1 |
| 21:33:48 | amiconn | huh??? Even r10160 bootbox doesn't werk when built now?? |
| 21:34:03 | Llorean | amiconn: Has the GCC version we use changed? |
| 21:34:07 | gevaerts | LambdaCalculus37: r18471 overwrote some of my earlier changes |
| 21:34:09 | amiconn | yes it did |
| 21:34:32 | pixelma | it's interesting to see how the set release date and time seems to motivate people... now |
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| 21:36:42 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: That would be my fault. :P What did I break? |
| 21:36:47 | Lear | gevaerts: r18459 was on the branch... |
| 21:36:53 | gevaerts | Lear: yes |
| 21:37:06 | gevaerts | LambdaCalculus37: disabling metronome and md5sum |
| 21:37:13 | tucoz | bluebrother: i have forgotten my latex skills. what environment do you think i should use for the changelog? |
| 21:38:02 | bluebrother | tucoz: do we want icons similar to MajorChanges? |
| 21:38:25 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: Oops. Sorry about that. |
| 21:38:45 | pixelma | LambdaCalculus37: ah, there it was when dice was put into the "games" section... I'm not sure if it really belongs there - maybe the manual was more right before |
| 21:39:32 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: I put dice into the "games" section since the plugin is located in .rockbox/rocks/games. |
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| 21:40:24 | pixelma | but stating as it is now is probably the quicker solution. I did that with the button tables when I started thinking "this button map isn't nice" |
| 21:41:06 | pixelma | LambdaCalculus37: I know, but you can discuss if dice is really a game (IMO it's not currently) |
| 21:41:31 | pixelma | better at another time though |
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| 21:43:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: If it isn't a game, we should reclassify it then. |
| 21:43:10 | tucoz | bluebrother: sorry, the current went off |
| 21:43:22 | bluebrother | noticed you vanishing ;-) |
| 21:44:05 | bluebrother | well, you could use the description environment and put icons in the description, like \star |
| 21:44:06 | tucoz | bluebrother: i was thinking of arranging the different changes in three sections. Enhancements, New features, bug fixes |
| 21:44:17 | bluebrother | haven't tried yet, but that could work |
| 21:44:25 | bluebrother | in that case, why not simply use enumerate? |
| 21:44:35 | pixelma | LambdaCalculus37: yes, that's what I ment. Debatable though |
| 21:44:36 | tucoz | right. i'll try that. :) |
| 21:44:38 | bluebrother | or better, itemize? No need for numbers ;-) |
| 21:45:19 | tucoz | but i do no think that the different items should be emphasized as bold. |
| 21:45:27 | bluebrother | another way would be to use itemize and make \star the bullet ;-) |
| 21:45:48 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: The way I see it, is that since dice are used to play games, then the dice plugin should be classified as a game. |
| 21:46:06 | LambdaCalculus37 | But I know that since dice isn't a game per se, some would say that it should be classified as an app. |
| 21:46:32 | * | Llorean thinks it's an app. |
| 21:46:34 | pixelma | make a new category - gameapp ;) |
| 21:46:56 | * | gevaerts thinks it's useless, and therefore a demo |
| 21:47:17 | pixelma | but actually I didn't want to start that discussion now... |
| 21:48:27 | * | bluebrother goes trying something |
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| 21:57:10 | gevaerts | Main fixmes remaining : archos-flashing, working_with_playlists, Trigtype. There are also some minor ones in config_file_options where some ranges or step sizes are missing |
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| 21:58:20 | * | amiconn seems to have found sth... |
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| 21:58:47 | gevaerts | My proposal for config_file_options is to just drop the fixme and just leave the config option less detailed |
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| 21:59:09 | LambdaCalculus37 | If the instructions listed in archos-flashing are valid, then I'll just drop the fixme and correct any spelling or lanuage errors. |
| 21:59:16 | amiconn | The breakage of bootbox seems to have happened significantly earlier than when the current flash rom images were published |
| 21:59:32 | LambdaCalculus37 | In the meantime, go home time is now. |
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| 22:00:05 | gevaerts | amiconn: so the current images work by chance? |
| 22:00:15 | tucoz | regarding the changelog, should we list changes such as: "Removed the non-working hardware equalizer for iPod Video. Provide working bass/treble gain and cutoff settings instead."? |
| 22:00:36 | gevaerts | tucoz: ipod was not released in 2.5, so... |
| 22:00:44 | amiconn | No, they seem to contain a bootbox which was compiled significantly earlier than the images were released |
| 22:00:45 | tucoz | gevaerts: yes, exactly. |
| 22:01:21 | gevaerts | tucoz: I'd ignore those. Just list generic news, changes to archoses, and new players |
| 22:01:23 | tucoz | so i do not add that to the changelog then |
| 22:01:26 | amiconn | *If* I am right, it was LinusN who broke bootbox, back in r8168... |
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| 22:02:20 | tucoz | gevaerts: so improved power management for portalplayer should also be left out then... |
| 22:02:38 | gevaerts | tucoz: I'd say yes, but maybe others disagree |
| 22:03:17 | tucoz | lot's of changes will be left out then. like metadata-on-buffer, as swcodec didn't exist back then |
| 22:04:20 | * | gevaerts waits for other people to comment |
| 22:04:22 | tucoz | but i think in a changelog 2.5->3.0, details like that should be left out. |
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| 22:07:58 | * | amiconn was right (!) |
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| 22:08:50 | amiconn | H300 bootloader usb broke bootbox |
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| 22:09:03 | amiconn | Bootbox needs the usb thread running |
| 22:09:34 | pixelma | isn't that the one that causes trouble anyway? |
| 22:09:44 | pixelma | on some H300s I mean |
| 22:10:04 | gevaerts | serves them right. They shouldn'd have broken bootbox |
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| 22:10:28 | amiconn | LinusN's commit disabled the usb thread if BOOTLOADER is defined |
| 22:10:59 | amiconn | But then re-enabling it causes bootbox to grow by 700 bytes :\ |
| 22:11:59 | pixelma | blah, referenced the wrong revision (off by one). Sorry. |
| 22:12:18 | * | amiconn wonders why LinusN implemented H300 bootloader this way instead of using the thread |
| 22:12:26 | * | amiconn summons LinusN |
| 22:13:07 | amiconn | Perhaps no tick in the H300 bootloader? |
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| 22:15:34 | * | bluebrother got it :) |
| 22:19:52 | pixelma | gevaerts: I take it there were no problems with my earlier changes to the manual (just want to be sure that my testing is right)? |
| 22:20:15 | gevaerts | pixelma: right. All 23 manuals built fine |
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| 22:20:48 | pixelma | thanks for the info :) |
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| 22:22:28 | bluebrother | tucoz: what do you think about a list formatted that way? http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/bullets.jpg |
| 22:22:34 | bluebrother | it only requires a new package, but that should be part of a usual latex installation (it's part of tetex at least) |
| 22:22:45 | bluebrother | (looks like I got disconnected this time :o ) |
| 22:22:54 | gevaerts | I just read the Working with playlists chapter, and I don't see anything wrong with it (except one typo). Shall I just remove the fixme? |
| 22:23:06 | * | gevaerts tried everything he wasn't sure of |
| 22:23:22 | tucoz | bluebrother:looks great. i actually do it like that now |
| 22:24:07 | bluebrother | I made up a new environment for that actually ... |
| 22:24:49 | bluebrother | check this: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/changelog-bullets.diff |
| 22:25:30 | pixelma | gevaerts: maybe someone forgot to delete the fixme (though I didn't look myself yet) |
| 22:25:46 | tucoz | bluebrother: nice. do i add items with \item? |
| 22:25:48 | gevaerts | pixelma: it also says it's probably incomplete. That may still be true of course |
| 22:26:10 | bluebrother | tucoz: yes, you use it exactly like itemize −− just \begin{changelog}. Should I commit it? |
| 22:26:22 | bluebrother | or do you want to do it "one in all"? |
| 22:26:28 | gevaerts | If it's only that, I think that's not serious enough to leave the fixme for 3.0 |
| 22:26:32 | tucoz | bluebrother: please commit |
| 22:27:05 | tucoz | to the 3.0 branch as well |
| 22:28:00 | bluebrother | tucoz: done on trunk, branch in a minute ... |
| 22:31:58 | gevaerts | Now we only need a recording specialist to explain what Trigtype is |
| 22:32:03 | bluebrother | and branch done as well. |
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| 22:34:55 | tucoz | thanks |
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| 22:37:43 | bluebrother | you're welcome |
| 22:39:23 | bluebrother | wow, the commit traffic on the manual is ... amazing tonight :) |
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| 22:43:49 | tucoz | hmm. should i just commit what i have done so far? I do not think i'll be able to finish this tonight. |
| 22:43:58 | Bagder | 17 minutes... |
| 22:44:25 | gevaerts | Bagder: do you know anything about recording? ;) |
| 22:44:37 | Bagder | nope! |
| 22:44:50 | tucoz | I have copied what i found suitable from the MajorChanges page, but there are some major things missing. Like some of the codecs, new targets etc. |
| 22:45:41 | gevaerts | tucoz: I'd just list supported codecs. Targets are irrelevant, as the manual is target-specific anyway |
| 22:45:57 | tucoz | well, the changelog is not at the moment |
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| 22:46:07 | tucoz | target specific that is |
| 22:46:18 | * | gevaerts fears that unless a recording specialist turns up soon Trigtype will remain undocumented |
| 22:46:44 | gevaerts | tucoz: you can always list all supported targets as well of course |
| 22:47:06 | tucoz | i'll commit what i have for now |
| 22:47:13 | amiconn | grrrr! |
| 22:47:42 | * | amiconn needs to squeeze bootbox by ~1.7KB somehow |
| 22:48:10 | amiconn | Compressed size, that is |
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| 22:49:02 | tucoz | gevaerts: could you take a peek at the changelog? |
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| 22:49:12 | tucoz | i committed it to the 3.0-branch |
| 22:49:19 | amiconn | If not, new flash rom images would have the start of the main image shifted by 4KB, meaning 4KB less room for it, and also that an older rombox wouldn't be compatible with the new rom image and vice versa |
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| 22:50:32 | gevaerts | tucoz: I think we need to cut everything that's not in 3.0, like unfinished ports and md5sum |
| 22:50:36 | amiconn | Doing USB "by hand" like the iriver bootloader would help a bit, but only that (a bit...) |
| 22:51:10 | tucoz | gevaerts: yes. problem is i do not know what is supported... |
| 22:51:17 | gevaerts | tucoz: I'll have a go |
| 22:51:58 | pixelma | gevaerts: your expert is here http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TriggerManual . I actually wanted to move that over to the tex (including some graphics that show the trigger bar, probably only black and white though). Unfortunately I think that'll take some time |
| 22:52:10 | tucoz | gevaerts: what do you think about removing the lines where codecs are mentioned, and add those to a subsection of their own? \subsection{New codecs} |
| 22:52:53 | tucoz | not mentioning dates, as that will be time consuming to track down |
| 22:53:24 | * | LambdaCalculus37 makes a small fix to tools/configure; some comments were left on the c100 configure section |
| 22:54:16 | gevaerts | tucoz: I committed my removals of not-in-3.0 things, so you can do the new codecs :) |
| 22:54:36 | tucoz | cool thanks |
| 22:54:51 | gevaerts | LambdaCalculus37: can you check the Flashing chapter, or should we just remove it? |
| 22:54:59 | gevaerts | You have 6 minutes |
| 22:55:21 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: Checking now. |
| 22:56:02 | pixelma | I guess that's helplessly outdated, nothing you can do in 6 minutes |
| 22:56:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: We should just take the fixme out. |
| 22:56:42 | amiconn | Imho we could update the release manuals even after the release |
| 22:56:45 | * | LambdaCalculus37 curses Aquamacs Emacs for being so bloody slow |
| 22:56:57 | * | gevaerts agrees with amiconn |
| 22:57:04 | * | Llorean agrees with gevaerts and amiconn |
| 22:57:09 | * | pixelma was thinking the same |
| 22:57:14 | * | LambdaCalculus37 agrees with Llorean, gevaerts, amiconn and pixelma |
| 22:57:19 | gevaerts | Let's just remove the Flashing chapter for now, until someone has had time to go over it |
| 22:57:32 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: I'm still fixing up tools/configure. |
| 22:57:37 | * | gevaerts will do it |
| 22:57:46 | pixelma | go for it |
| 22:57:55 | Bagder | anyone besides LambdaCalculus37 gonna change any code the next 3 minutes? |
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| 22:58:24 | tucoz | Bagder: me |
| 22:58:30 | tucoz | i'll be done in 5 minutes |
| 22:58:36 | tucoz | if that is ok |
| 22:58:38 | pixelma | gevaerts too, I guess |
| 22:58:42 | tucoz | not code, manual |
| 22:58:43 | Bagder | that's cool |
| 22:58:48 | LambdaCalculus37 | Bagder: Committing now! |
| 22:58:49 | gevaerts | Just one manual commit left |
| 22:59:14 | Bagder | ok, the last code commit then so I can now officially start my binary builds |
| 22:59:16 | gevaerts | committed |
| 22:59:53 | Bagder | well, after LambdaCalculus37's commit |
| 22:59:56 | LambdaCalculus37 | Committed. |
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| 23:00:20 | Bagder | you gonna do that in the 3.0 branch too? |
| 23:00:39 | Bagder | I guess its not necessary? |
| 23:01:03 | LambdaCalculus37 | Done. |
| 23:01:15 | tucoz | Bagder: wait |
| 23:01:22 | Bagder | ack |
| 23:01:44 | tucoz | donw |
| 23:01:46 | tucoz | done |
| 23:02:20 | Bagder | great |
| 23:02:46 | Bagder | builds now in progress |
| 23:02:50 | * | Llorean cheers |
| 23:03:13 | * | LambdaCalculus37 brings out several crates of beer! |
| 23:03:16 | * | tucoz dances the v3.0 dance |
| 23:03:22 | * | gevaerts goes to find beer as well |
| 23:03:34 | * | BigBambi_ already has beer |
| 23:03:41 | BigBambi_ | Congrats to everybody |
| 23:03:48 | gevaerts | BigBambi_: don't drink and edit manuals! |
| 23:03:59 | * | LambdaCalculus37 pours several large steins of beer and passes them all around |
| 23:04:19 | scorche | did we ever settle on a code name? ;) |
| 23:04:20 | BigBambi_ | gevaerts: I know, it is dangerous. Thankfully I was sensible and made a choice - and beer won |
| 23:05:19 | LambdaCalculus37 | scorche: I thought we were doing beer names. :) |
| 23:05:43 | * | gevaerts wants "coal powered release" |
| 23:06:15 | BigBambi_ | Powered by the sweat of the innocent? |
| 23:06:24 | * | LambdaCalculus37 wants "Duvel" |
| 23:06:24 | Bagder | "another leap year, another release" |
| 23:06:34 | BigBambi_ | :) |
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| 23:07:11 | * | pixelma read on the way home that today is supposedly the Linus' name day |
| 23:07:17 | Llorean | 3.0: Still not supporting iPod Classic |
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| 23:07:52 | Bagder | arg |
| 23:07:53 | gevaerts | Llorean: why not just Rockbox Classic? |
| 23:08:00 | Bagder | wrong name in the build script, restarting... |
| 23:08:05 | Llorean | gevaerts: No, that's 4.0 |
| 23:08:18 | Llorean | 3.0 can be "Rockbox Video" |
| 23:08:55 | gevaerts | :) |
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| 23:09:11 | * | Bagder pats ccache on his head |
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| 23:11:50 | bluebrother | we already had "mayday" like a couple of years ago :) |
| 23:12:20 | Bagder | hey |
| 23:12:25 | Bagder | 2.5 was released on sep 22 |
| 23:12:26 | * | preglow feels big things coming |
| 23:12:34 | Bagder | 2005 |
| 23:12:41 | gevaerts | We're a day late! |
| 23:12:41 | preglow | three years, half a version |
| 23:12:52 | ameyer | "that only took 3.0 years"? |
| 23:12:58 | scotty_007 | three cheers for all the awesome rockboxers! |
| 23:14:04 | tucoz | is it 26 targets now? |
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| 23:15:18 | * | LambdaCalculus37 decides to go have a beer for real and heads to his favorite pub |
| 23:15:20 | Bagder | it depends on how you count them |
| 23:15:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | See everyone later! |
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| 23:16:05 | ryanakca | Didn't see it on the FAQ, so here it goes... My iPod's screen cracked, so I'm probably going to be replacing it by another music player in the near future... what make/model best supports rockbox? |
| 23:16:27 | tucoz | ok. everything on the current build page except the m3 and ipod 1g/2g? |
| 23:17:08 | * | ameyer guesses the H1xx and H3xx ports probably are the most mature swcodec ports |
| 23:17:20 | gevaerts | ryanakca: it all depends on what you need |
| 23:17:37 | * | bluebrother suggests the BuyersGuide wiki page |
| 23:18:01 | ryanakca | bluebrother: thanks |
| 23:18:23 | Nico_P | has the release notes wiki page been updates? |
| 23:18:26 | amiconn | Hmm, disabling loadable font support (incl. font caching) for the bootloaders should be a good idea, shouldn't it? |
| 23:18:37 | Bagder | amiconn: yes! |
| 23:18:38 | gevaerts | amiconn: indeed. |
| 23:19:11 | amiconn | At least it helps dropping bootbox size by ~1KB compressed, ~1.2KB uncomprseed |
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| 23:20:00 | amiconn | Bagder: Any chance that we'll see binsizes for bootloaders as well? |
| 23:20:45 | Bagder | is the rockbox-info thing working for them? |
| 23:21:29 | amiconn | Binsize is, ram usage is not (shows 0) |
| 23:21:50 | amiconn | That's for bootbox, I don't know whether it applies to the others |
| 23:21:55 | Bagder | it will then "just" require that the master gets the bootloader zips too |
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| 23:22:59 | amiconn | RAM usage probably doesn't tell much, as the bootloader ram layout is quite different between targets |
| 23:23:06 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:23:51 | tucoz | bye |
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| 23:26:12 | DerPapst | Congrats to all for the 3.0 release :D |
| 23:26:55 | Nico_P | has it been made yet? |
| 23:27:35 | DerPapst | i thought bagder is compiling it already :P |
| 23:27:39 | Bagder | I am |
| 23:27:47 | Bagder | 29 zip files done |
| 23:27:53 | DerPapst | w00t ;) |
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| 23:29:03 | * | Bagder copies zips to download mirror master |
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| 23:30:44 | Bagder | done |
| 23:30:56 | Bagder | time to fix up the download page |
| 23:31:21 | * | DerPapst is already courious about the next months statistics :) |
| 23:31:21 | * | Llorean cheers |
| 23:31:43 | preglow | wish i had a beer :/ |
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| 23:32:43 | scotty_007 | damn, ipod is busy with battery bench (mp3-cop-test) - no chance to install 3.0 for the next hours :-( |
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| 23:33:45 | dionoea | Bagder: tell me if you need to force a mirror sync |
| 23:34:15 | Bagder | nah, the other two won't get that anyway so we can just let time fix it |
| 23:34:27 | dionoea | ok |
| 23:35:14 | dionoea | btw, not sure if you noticed last week but the videolan server had some downtime due to our new VLC release. We're likely to release a bugfix version tomorrow so I hope we won't have any more downtime. |
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| 23:35:31 | dionoea | and congrats on the release ;) |
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| 23:38:03 | preglow | anything in the way of release notes? |
| 23:38:07 | kronflux | welcome LambdaCalculus37! |
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| 23:38:46 | dionoea | Bagder: updating the home page before the download page seems kind of backwards ;) |
| 23:38:50 | LambdaCalculus37 | kronflux: Just in time! Grab a beer and celebrate with us! Rockbox 3.0 is on the way! |
| 23:38:56 | pixelma | dionoea: ah, guess that's why some menauls weren't available for me some days ago |
| 23:39:08 | dionoea | pixelma: probably ;) |
| 23:39:08 | * | pixelma glares at typo... |
| 23:39:16 | Bagder | dionoea: yeah yeah but in a few minutes all that won't matter ;-) |
| 23:39:43 | Bagder | the download page is there now |
| 23:39:57 | Bagder | just pointing to zip files not present yet ;-P |
| 23:40:03 | gevaerts | Bagder: weren't we going to drop m3 from the list? |
| 23:40:05 | amiconn | Bagder: As soon as I manage to get both the size to behave, and usb to work (these are related problems), I would like to make new archos rom images |
| 23:40:23 | Bagder | gevaerts: we are, just my mistake |
| 23:40:35 | amiconn | But then, even if I build them from the 3.0 branch, they're technically no longer equivalent to 3.0 code, because I need to fix things first... |
| 23:40:56 | bluebrother | make a 3.0.1 release for them? |
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| 23:41:41 | gevaerts | bluebrother: not really needed, as they don't replace any 3.0 files |
| 23:42:24 | Nico_P | now we need a few announcements! |
| 23:42:25 | preglow | indeed |
| 23:42:28 | gevaerts | I'd keep 3.0.1 for when a build that got released as 3.0 gets replaced |
| 23:42:43 | bluebrother | hmm, rbutil needs some small adjustments for 3.0 downloads |
| 23:42:45 | amiconn | Bagder: Oh, and do you know by chance when LinusN will be around again? |
| 23:42:48 | preglow | doesn't matter if it's technically not the same code base, as long as it looks like it is |
| 23:43:03 | bluebrother | we need to make that retrieve this information from the server too ... |
| 23:43:13 | Bagder | amiconn: no I don't, I think he's just being busy with life stuff |
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| 23:43:21 | Nico_P | Bagder: did you tag the svn rev you compiled? |
| 23:43:34 | Bagder | no |
| 23:43:39 | dan_a | Congratulations on the 3.0 release everyone! |
| 23:43:44 | * | gevaerts looks at the download table and thinks that dropping the m3 was aesthetically the right decision |
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| 23:43:54 | kronflux | 3.0? yay! |
| 23:44:00 | Bagder | 18607 it is though |
| 23:44:00 | bluebrother | Ipod 1G2G was a release target? |
| 23:44:00 | gevaerts | Nico_P: we can still do that I think |
| 23:44:03 | Llorean | preglow: On the other hand, we might want to grab the 3.0.1 number before someone tries to make an unsupported build named that. :-P |
| 23:44:13 | gevaerts | bluebrother: it wasn't explicitely dropped |
| 23:44:13 | Nico_P | gevaerts: yes. it should be done |
| 23:44:26 | bluebrother | you can tag any arbitrary revision |
| 23:44:41 | preglow | Llorean: grab "rockbox ultimate" and "rockbox extreme" while you're at it |
| 23:44:50 | preglow | also "rockbox home" and "rockbox enterprise" |
| 23:45:04 | * | DerPapst grabs berrockbox |
| 23:45:39 | DerPapst | not that i'm going to maintai an unsupported build :P (too lazy) |
| 23:45:53 | Bagder | sell the name! |
| 23:45:57 | kronflux | LambdaCalculus37: mind you, I cant celebrate fully. I've no mp3 player which can be hacked yet. |
| 23:46:46 | * | bluebrother schedules some small rbutil adjustments for the next days |
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| 23:47:26 | * | DerPapst donates the name to Bagder :) |
| 23:48:15 | gevaerts | Nico_P: rockbox-info.txt has the exact revision, so it's not that hard to find |
| 23:48:17 | Llorean | Bagder: Do we want to try to set a date for the 3.1 freeze or better yet, set a date for setting a date, such as saying "We want to do 3.1 in Month" then when we get to month see what period seems best"? |
| 23:48:21 | * | LambdaCalculus37 sees the new relase page! |
| 23:49:20 | Nico_P | gevaerts: still, I think it's a good practice to tag releases. that way you can do an svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/tags/3.0 |
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| 23:49:59 | Bagder | Llorean: I'd like a 3 month period to the next freeze |
| 23:50:11 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 23:50:19 | Llorean | I was thinking late Dec early Jan-ish |
| 23:50:27 | gevaerts | Nico_P: I don't disagree, but I think that whoever did the branching and release building should do that |
| 23:51:20 | Bagder | there's a 3.0 in tags/ now |
| 23:51:25 | ameyer | I don't count, but maybe the middle of December? |
| 23:51:25 | Bagder | v3_0 in fact |
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| 23:51:54 | bluebrother | why not v3.0? It's just a folder name (unlike cvs) |
| 23:52:12 | Bagder | I just followed the existing naming convension |
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| 23:52:58 | bluebrother | good point. |
| 23:53:17 | amiconn | Hmm, bootloaders don't need ata idle callbacks either, do they? |
| 23:54:14 | Bagder | so is there any further 3.0 manual work planned or should I make a set of those too? |
| 23:55:40 | gevaerts | Bagder: I'm not planning anything right now |
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| 23:56:22 | * | Bagder invokes script |
| 23:56:40 | dionoea | hum, isn't the offical install method using rbutil nowadays? |
| 23:56:54 | dionoea | (I haven't followed all the prerelease discussions so sorry if i missed soemthing) |
| 23:57:45 | gevaerts | dionoea: rbutil and manual are equally "official", but we (or at least I) prefer users to use rbutil as it's less error-prone for people who aren't familiar with it |
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| 23:57:56 | Bagder | http://freshmeat.net/projects/rockbox/ has the best screenshot ;-) |
| 23:58:08 | dionoea | gevaerts: my question was about the download page in fact ;) |
| 23:58:14 | dionoea | it doesn't mention rbutil |
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