#rockbox 2008-09-25

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#rockbox log for 2008-09-25

00:00:40	rasher	I think the feed should survive that as long as the current lines are kept unchanged, and in the same order
00:00:46	Nico_P	ok
00:00:47	*	Llorean thinks we should get the people who are distributing voices via our mailing list to clarify the licenses on the engines they're using, and then contribute (or possibly, stop posting)
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00:02:06	*	Nico_P requests for comments: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MajorChanges
00:02:19	samdouglas	Is there anywhere I can find older builds of Rockbox still? (older than a couple of weeks)
00:03:19	gevaerts	Nico_P: looks good
00:03:27	Llorean	samdouglas: You can compile them yourself. Why do you need them?
00:04:36	samdouglas	Llorean: I have no sound on an Olympus mrobe m100 using the latest builds, and 3.0
00:04:59	bluebrother	Nico_P: nice.
00:05:18	Llorean	samdouglas: Did you file a bug report?
00:05:22	bluebrother	samdouglas: already tried resetting the settings?
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00:06:37	samdouglas	Llorean: not yet, Flyspray was being really slow and gave errors like "Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 8388608 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 35 bytes) in /usr/share/flyspray/htdocs/adodb/adodb.inc.php on line 2859 " which is probably also noteworthy
00:06:48	bluebrother	Nico_P: now marking those changes that have been left out of 3.0 would be nice. Not sure if that's worth the hassle though.
00:07:06	rasher	Nico_P: Parser still works as well
00:07:08	Nico_P	bluebrother: which changes are you thinking of?
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00:07:12	Nico_P	rasher: great :)
00:10:38	bluebrother	Nico_P: stuff like md5sum left out of 3.0, and support for new players that aren't 3.0 targets.
00:10:54	samdouglas	Llorean: does not give any error any more, but after attempting to log in I get to http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/ and it is an empty page
00:11:20	Nico_P	bluebrother: ah, I see what you mean
00:11:59	gevaerts	I'd just add a note to the effect that the MajorChanges page lists all changes, some of which may be left out of a release
00:12:38	Llorean	samdouglas: Try http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?type=2
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00:15:20	bluebrother	the tracker still being broken isn't a good thing :(
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00:22:28	Nico_P	gevaerts: maybe we can enable rockbox USB by default in trunk now?
00:23:11	gevaerts	Not sure. I think it needs more thought
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00:25:34	Llorean	gevaerts: Due to bus resets, or sansa issues?
00:28:47	pete-fmrecUK	Hi, I'm trying to flash v3.0 onto an FM Recorder, but can't find the firmware_fm.bin file - is this ready or am I jumping the gun on the new release ?
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00:35:17	gevaerts	Llorean: bus resets. On the sansa I think it's a clear no
00:36:14	gevaerts	Llorean: if we can provide an easy way to disable it again, I'm not against enabling it for the other targets
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00:43:05	pixelma	pete-fmrecUK: I believe there are no new bootbox files available yet, this needed some fixing. I am not sure of the current status but someone wanted to look into providing them too the next days
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00:45:23	samdouglas	Weird. Sound started working on various versions. Must have not fully reset of something
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00:45:51	homielowe	Has this one been posted yet? http://lifehacker.com/5054229/rockbox-30-supercharges-your-mp3-player will add to ArticlesAboutRockbox
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00:46:04	Nico_P	homielowe: yes, it has
00:46:13	n1s	homielowe: already done :)
00:46:15	*	homielowe feels redundant
00:47:56	pete-fmrecUK	pixelma; Thanks for the reply, I'll stick with 2.5 then, I am keen to try new features but will happily stick with the excellent 2.5. It makes my big old FM Recorder my favourite player.
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01:19:33	samdouglas	The battery cutout level with Rockbox on the m100 is annoyingly low. Each time I turn the player on it decides that the battery is completely flat and eventually works up to a more reasonable charge level... if it doesn't cut out before then
01:20:42	Llorean	samdouglas: How old is your battery?
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01:23:20	samdouglas	Llorean: to be honest, I am not sure, I only just acquired this, but it wasn't really used at all for the last year. The original firmware shows a much more reasonable charge level though
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01:24:02	Llorean	samdouglas: So the battery's at least a year old?
01:24:11	samdouglas	yeah
01:24:16	Llorean	Use doesn't factor as much into it as age does unless you've been keeping it in a very cold environment.
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01:26:08	Llorean	Do you get a message from Rockbox when it "cuts out" or what?
01:27:40	samdouglas	Llorean: Yes, Rockbox detects the battery level as being 0% (when in fact it is fully charged) Rockbox gives a message like "Battery empty, RECHARGE; shutting down"
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01:28:03	samdouglas	I just started into the Olympus firmware which shows the battery as being fully charged
01:29:40	Llorean	samdouglas: So, the fact that Rockbox shuts down when your battery briefly reports 0% is the problem?
01:30:22	samdouglas	Llorean: that appears to be the case
01:31:15	Llorean	I'd suggest "0%" is not an unreasonably low cutoff point.
01:31:30	Llorean	Does the OF even attempt to do low battery shutdown, or does it just run until empty?
01:34:27	samdouglas	Llorean: I'm not sure, I haven't used the OF because it is pretty crap. According to System - Debug - View battery, the level is at 3.586V, which going by the voltage calibration spreadsheet I found on the Rockbox site puts it at very low battery.
01:35:22	Llorean	So the battery actually is very low, and the OF is wrong, or Rockbox is reading the battery wrong.
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01:36:57	amiconn	Llorean: It's probably the integration that's quite a bit off after bootup
01:37:26	amiconn	I guess this is because the high startup current lowers the reading, which is then used as a starting point
01:37:33	powerjuce	is there a place where i can get different screenshots of rockbox
01:37:43	Llorean	powerjuce: The manual
01:37:56	samdouglas	Llorean: well, the OF reported it was pretty flat when I got it, and less flat when charging and now having charged for a couple of hours is reporting pretty much full battery. There is quite a lot of variation in the battery graph
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01:38:14	amiconn	I observe this effect on many targets, with varying severity
01:38:16	samdouglas	that rockbox debug gives
01:41:03	powerjuce	where can i get the bot that logs this channel?
01:41:36	Llorean	powerjuce: It's an old, old bot called Dancer, I believe
01:42:01	powerjuce	ok
01:42:14	powerjuce	cool thanks for the help (about rockbox or otherwise)
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01:44:49	samdouglas	I will try hacking around with it later.
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03:47:55	humblegod538	Hello, I just registered for the rockbox wiki and would like write permissions to upload an .fmr
03:48:03	humblegod538	Username is BradEmmons. Can anyone here do this?
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03:49:47	star_jasmine	hey everyone. congrats on 3.0. its great. I have a question. the rockbox utility has the option for sapi 4 voice creation, but it won't creae a working voice. i creates one with a file size of 8kb. is there something I am doing wrong?
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03:50:23	saratoga	i've added BradEmmons to the wiki
03:50:33	star_jasmine	ceate a voice rather
03:50:38	star_jasmine	create
03:51:08	humblegod538	Thank you saratoga
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03:52:03	humblegod538	This is my second time trying Rockbox, 3.0 looks great!
03:52:17	humblegod538	especially like the upside-down display. Makes biking & jamming much easier now
03:53:43	humblegod538	saratoga, are you able to grant wiki editing permissions? I just created a .fmr preset file for my city, and I'd like to upload it when possible
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03:57:11	humblegod538	nm, guess I misunderstood. Thanks!
03:57:12	saratoga	humblegod538: I've already added you, assuming you're BradEmmons
03:57:27	humblegod538	Yes, I just got it to work (password error). Thank you again!
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04:04:00	Marcus	So... I suppose if Rockbox says that my Ipod is unsupported, there's no workaround, right?
04:04:12	Marcus	I'm using a nano (dunno which generation)
04:04:15	Llorean	Right
04:04:40	Llorean	If your player is unsupported that means Rockbox cannot be run on it, period, without a significant amount of programming work.
04:04:47	Marcus	Darn.
04:04:55	Marcus	How many generations of nano were there?
04:05:00	star_jasmine	4
04:05:10	Marcus	crap.
04:05:39	Marcus	Would i be blasphemy if I asked where to find something like Rockbox that is supported on my Ipod?
04:05:46	Marcus	it*
04:06:13	Llorean	If there were something else like Rockbox for your iPod, there'd probably also be Rockbox for it.
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04:06:44	humblegod538	Off to enjoy my X5 w/ newly-reloaded Rockbox. Thanks for your work, guys!
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04:07:32	Marcus	oh well...
04:07:41	Marcus	It's cool anyway, even if I can't run it.
04:07:51	Marcus	I have major <3 for custom firmware.
04:07:55	Marcus	just ask my PSP.
04:08:06	Marcus	anyway, thanks for the help.
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04:08:09	star_jasmine	i saves the sansa e200
04:08:23	star_jasmine	it
04:09:42	Hillshum	not really
04:09:48	Hillshum	the ipod yeah
04:09:54	samdouglas	I hacked the cutoff voltages for the Olympus m100 and have been testing it. The battery is still running a few albums later. The battery voltage graph shows fluctuation sitting around about 3.5V point (which by default Rockbox considers critically low).
04:11:10	star_jasmine	my voice creation under cygwin isn't choosing system default voices consistently. maybe I needd to reforma the computer
04:11:12	samdouglas	Although it is possible that the difference in ADC values is just due to the battery being old. A new battery some time should help confirm that
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04:34:31	eagledrc	hi i need a hidden partition dump file for the sandisk sansa e280R
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04:37:38	shrimants	hello
04:38:17	shrimants	i'm having problems with mp3 tags in rockbox. I just freshly tagged everything, and rockbox puts, for instance, the same copy of 2 albums udner the artist and also under (untagged)
04:38:42	shrimants	furthermore, it reads pink fl, pink flo, pink floyd for my pink floyd album
04:38:59	shrimants	and then it also put double copies of every song for Muse into the directory
04:42:55	Llorean	This kind of thing may happen if your tags contain more data than Rockbox can accomodate.
04:43:07	Llorean	This can happen if you have album art as a tag, or very large comment tags.
04:43:45	shrimants	I am quite sure I have <null> as my comments and that I have no album art
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04:44:37	shrimants	Also, does this mean that album art is not a good idea to try to use in rockbox?
04:44:50	Llorean	Rockbox doesn't support Album Art in the tags.
04:44:53	Llorean	You use a separate file
04:45:00	Llorean	And, what did you use to tag your files?
04:45:33	eagledrc	what OS are you using?
04:45:39	eagledrc	shrimants?
04:45:43	shrimants	yes
04:45:52	shrimants	i am using linux, Arch linux to be exact
04:45:59	shrimants	and the program is called EasyTag
04:46:32	shrimants	as we speak I;m clearing out the unnecessary fields
04:46:43	shrimants	including getting rid of album art "tags"
04:46:47	Llorean	What revision of Rockbox are you using?
04:47:01	shrimants	i used the rockbox utility to install it, so presumably version 3.0
04:47:55	Llorean	Well, that depends on which choice you made in the program, I believe.
04:48:14	Llorean	Are the tags ID3v1 or v2 and if so, which revision of 2?
04:48:40	shrimants	version 3v1
04:48:53	shrimants	if i knew of a way to clear the version 2 tags i would
04:49:05	shrimants	or no
04:49:13	shrimants	sorry they are ID3v2.4
04:49:23	shrimants	in UTF-8
04:49:37	shrimants	i also have ID3v1 tags in western encoding
04:49:42	Llorean	I'd recommend stripping all tags but the ones you intend to use.
04:49:49	Llorean	Then deleting the database and re-initializing it.
04:52:02	shrimants	ok, i believe I am doing it correctly
04:52:10	shrimants	i disabled writing id3v1
04:52:18	shrimants	then did a forced save of all tags
04:52:30	shrimants	which SHOULD delete everything except the v2.4 tags
04:52:33	eagledrc	lol i was just going to suggest EasyTags... LInux ftw btw
04:52:38	shrimants	yes!
04:52:49	shrimants	i actually tried switching back to windows but it was so terrible i came back
04:53:00	shrimants	and even though installing windows took me almost 12.5 hours
04:53:10	shrimants	to get everything including programs configured and running
04:53:16	shrimants	it toko me about 1 with linux to restore it
04:56:49	eagledrc	haha yea
04:57:19	eagledrc	i installed XP and had to spend hours installing drivers to get internet, sound, and a proper resolution
04:57:25	eagledrc	but i still dual-boot
04:58:08	shrimants	looks like its done doing what it does
04:58:43	eagledrc	lol
04:58:59	shrimants	the one thing i wish rockbox did is have a sleep mode instead of only having on/off settings
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05:01:22	shrimants	what are your crossfade settings?
05:04:17	shrimants	nvm, i found some good ones
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05:16:30	shrimants	what does accessory powersupply do? i dont see it in the manual
05:16:44	shrimants	is that the same thing as car adapter mode basically?
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05:17:05	shrimants	or is it like "dont try to establish a data connection automatically"
05:17:20	shrimants	so that it doesnt do the infinite boot sequence when adapter is plugged in
05:17:56	Llorean	I probably missed your question
05:18:07	Llorean	But I'm guessing Car Adapter mode?
05:18:11	Llorean	The manual describes it.
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05:24:15	shrimants	btw my version is r18620-080924
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05:54:37	here2code	hi
05:55:01	here2code	i am new to rockbox development and irc, both
05:58:07	toffe82	hello here2code
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06:26:28	MarcGuay	I see now bluebrother's suggestion to mark them... And I agree that it's a lot of work for little gain...
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08:18:29	B4gder	24000 visits on www.rockbox.org yday was counted
08:18:42	B4gder	we average on 10000 normal days
08:18:50	JdGordon	crikey!
08:19:21	Llorean	Impressive.
08:21:26	B4gder	more than 5000 referers from lifehacker.com
08:21:45	GodEater	nice
08:22:13	GodEater	I wonder what percentage of those visitors were disappointed not to find a sudden working ipod classic port or somesuch ?
08:23:50	JdGordon	90% :D
08:23:53	GodEater	hehehe
08:24:22	BHSPitMonkey	Nice, just saw the lifehacker article myself
08:26:05	GodEater	ah yes, third comment down on lifehacker
08:26:11	GodEater	"where's the ipod classic support?"
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08:27:18	B4gder	I can also see on the server that we're past the peak
08:27:32	B4gder	we had our maximum number of apache processes running last night
08:27:59	B4gder	from 150 it is now down to ~90
08:28:08	GodEater	whoah, did we really ship 3.0 without a RBUtil to go with it ?
08:28:17	B4gder	yes
08:28:32	B4gder	but I hope we'll have a 3.0 one soon
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08:28:54	GodEater	oooh, that strikes me as a somewhat schoolboy error
08:29:10	JdGordon	my mac is ready to do a build but I dont know what local changes domonoky has done to the source and it doesnt build...
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08:30:30	B4gder	well, it was probably a result of me being strict about keeping the dead-line
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08:31:22	GodEater	lets try not to do that again :)
08:31:28	JdGordon	GodEater: first release in 3 years... I think we are allowed to make some mistakes
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08:32:04	Llorean	Hopefully the "Release" button in RBUtil can be done in such a way in the future that we won't need a new version for each release anyway.
08:32:09	Llorean	It's a "fix-once" kinda problem.
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08:33:18	GodEater	JdGordon: absolutely, so long as we learn from them
08:33:36	JdGordon	can anyone think of a reason to not close 9419 as not needed?
08:33:41	GodEater	did we actually get "slashdotted" as some people seem to think ?
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08:34:31	amiconn	LinusN: there?
08:34:38	LinusN	yup
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08:35:12	amiconn	LinusN: I have a couple o'questions. First, is there a reason why the iriver bootloaders use a hack for usb instead of the usb thread?
08:35:36	LinusN	yes
08:36:28	LinusN	let's see if i remember why...
08:36:30	amiconn	The initial commit for this was what broke bootbox in Dec 2005, and then I tried a similar method for fixing bootbox, and found it to be unreliable due to race conditions
08:36:48	amiconn	Finally I brought back the usb thread for bootbox, and it works
08:37:33	amiconn	The problem with the hack is that it doesn't block the ata thread, but instead tries to keep it from switching off the disk by using ata_spin()
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08:38:38	amiconn	But if this ata_spin comes in the wrong moment (after the ata thread decided to power off the disk but before actually doing it), it might still power off the disk
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09:04:49	LinusN	amiconn: i see
09:05:14	scoles	hey there wont be any issues if i try to put rockbox on an ipod color 4g with a 4gb microdrive in it will there?
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09:06:42	LinusN	amiconn: i think the reason for the usb hack was external dependencies, and that the usb thread calls dbg_ports() etc when it fails
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09:07:25	LinusN	i wanted to act differently in the bootloader and i felt that a hack was better than #ifdef hell
09:07:56	LinusN	and i didn't want background polling
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09:08:41	LinusN	(i.e the tick task)
09:09:02	amiconn	Hmm, any special reason for this?
09:09:11	LinusN	i wanted the bootloader to have absolute control over the usb mode
09:09:18	amiconn	The tick interrupt is running anyway, otherwise sleep() wouldn't work
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09:09:51	amiconn	And you introduced an ifdef for this (in usb.c)
09:10:07	LinusN	i'm sure i did
09:10:24	amiconn	...which wouldn't have been necessary when using the usb thread as-is
09:11:41	amiconn	And since there are various issues with bootloader usb on irivers, perhaps it would be a good idea to resurrect the usb thread and try it like bootbox does it?
09:11:45	LinusN	as i said, i think the main reason was the dead-end error handling in usb_slave_mode()
09:12:11	LinusN	are there issues on h100 too?
09:12:59	amiconn	No, but since the issues seem to be timing related, this could just be a coincidence
09:13:01	linuxstb	scoles: If your ipod (with microdrive) is working fine with Apple's firmware, then you can always uninstall Rockbox (instructions are in the manual) if things don't work. Or help fix Rockbox so it does...
09:13:32	amiconn	The dead end could be ifdefed out for iriver bootloaders specifically
09:13:35	LinusN	amiconn: i think the h300 issues are not timing related, but instead power related
09:13:49	LinusN	amiconn: you can have a go at it if you want
09:13:53	scoles	ok i wasnt sure cause its in there with a cf card adapter so i think the new bootloader should be good because of support for cf card we'll see
09:14:19	amiconn	LinusN: I could try to hack it in, but I don't have a bdm
09:14:36	LinusN	i see
09:14:53	LinusN	if you produce a patch you believe in, i can try to find some time to test it
09:15:17	LinusN	i have a nightmareish workload atm :-(
09:15:39	amiconn	hmm
09:16:17	amiconn	Too bad, but in a few days I'd also need a tester for brand-new archos rom flash images on fmrecorder, and wanted to ask you...
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09:27:19	LinusN	the serial port is broken
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09:32:21	Dosu_Tivien	Oh dear god.
09:32:23	Dosu_Tivien	That was insane.
09:32:33	Dosu_Tivien	Maybe someone that can help me joined...XD
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09:33:54	lol3izer	fyre^OS, sup fyrestorm lol
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09:34:59	lol3izer	what device do you use rockbox with?
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09:35:08	fyrestorm	ipod 5th gen 30gb
09:35:14	lol3izer	lol exact same
09:35:15	petur	p
09:35:24	lol3izer	what kind of battery life do you get
09:35:24	lol3izer	?
09:36:01	Dosu_Tivien	So, uhm
09:36:09	Dosu_Tivien	I have a problem, and I'm hoping someone can help me with it.
09:36:09	fyrestorm	this chat is for dev
09:36:23	lol3izer	ok lets go to the other chat
09:36:24	fyrestorm	bring it to -community
09:36:26	BigBambi	And support
09:36:32	JdGordon	no please dont!
09:36:35	BigBambi	No, Rockbox support belongs here
09:36:37	JdGordon	support here...
09:36:44	JdGordon	assuming of course you actually ask a question
09:37:01	*	Dosu_Tivien waits to ask his question >.>;
09:37:12	BigBambi	Just ask the question
09:37:13	*	B4gder waits for the waiting to stop
09:37:15	Dosu_Tivien	ok
09:37:16	Dosu_Tivien	Well.
09:37:24	JdGordon	spit it out already!
09:37:24	Dosu_Tivien	I installed rockbox on my iPod mini, second gen
09:37:34	BigBambi	And please don't put everything on seperate lines
09:37:35	Dosu_Tivien	It works fine, except for one thing.
09:38:02	Dosu_Tivien	when I turn it off and use it later, nine times out of ten, it produces this really high pitched, really loud, whining tone, and refuses to play music.
09:38:15	Dosu_Tivien	And it won't play music until I reboot it four or five times.
09:39:38	Dosu_Tivien	I have no idea why it would do this, like, at all
09:39:42	Dosu_Tivien	Any help would be appreciated.
09:40:05	Dosu_Tivien	And please don't tell me to update rockbox, cause I only installed it like, less than a week ago.
09:40:09	Dosu_Tivien	><
09:40:15	lol3izer	yea im getting that too sometimes Dosu_Tivien
09:40:22	BigBambi	Dosu_Tivien: That can be a long time
09:40:29	Dosu_Tivien	Well, I mean
09:40:34	Dosu_Tivien	sometimes would be fine for me
09:40:40	Dosu_Tivien	it's just like, near ALWAYS for me.
09:40:42	lol3izer	rockbox is rebuilt daily
09:40:48	lol3izer	try the newest build
09:40:51	lol3izer	its easy
09:40:53	BigBambi	I'm not saying that is the problem, but there is a reason we ask you to update and try immediately before asking for supporrt
09:41:17	BigBambi	Can everyone please stop using the enter key as punctuation. Put thoughts on one line
09:41:44	BigBambi	lol3izer: And Rockbox is rebuilt on every source code change which is normally many times per day
09:42:22	lol3izer	i hope accessory support gets merged soon
09:43:04	Dosu_Tivien	Ok, so, is updating any notion of easy? Or will I have to wipe and reinstall my ipod again?
09:43:10	BigBambi	No, it is easy
09:43:22	BigBambi	Just run rbutil and select install Rockbox
09:44:10	scorche	not the full installation, mind you...the manual goes into more detail
09:44:28	Dosu_Tivien	\it asys it's already installed and up to date.
09:44:39	Dosu_Tivien	says*
09:44:41	Dosu_Tivien	Jeez, I can't type...
09:44:59	BigBambi	Are you sure you didn't try to install the bootloader?
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09:45:25	Dosu_Tivien	hold on
09:45:31	BigBambi	It is Rockbox you want (the build), not the bootloader - and I can assure you that Rockbox has had many updates since last week
09:45:37	Dosu_Tivien	ok
09:45:40	Dosu_Tivien	reinstalling rockbox
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09:47:17	Dosu_Tivien	ok
09:47:22	Dosu_Tivien	rockbox has been totally reinstalled.
09:47:36	scorche	what is the version number?
09:47:55	Dosu_Tivien	rockbox (base) r18639
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09:50:27	JdGordon	were the release build version strings changed to something like 3.0?
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10:00:31	Dosu_Tivien	huh?
10:00:34	Dosu_Tivien	Oh, uh, hang on.
10:00:42	Dosu_Tivien	the iPod's still plugged into my computer.
10:00:59	Dosu_Tivien	where do I check that?
10:01:16	BigBambi	er, look if the cable is connected?
10:01:27	Dosu_Tivien	no no
10:01:32	Dosu_Tivien	the version thing he was talking about
10:01:33	Dosu_Tivien	XD
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10:02:55	scorche	with the ipod still plugged in or not?...and once again, please keep complete thoughts on one line...it makes it much easier to read and is less spammy
10:03:13	Dosu_Tivien	Well, the iPod is off the cable now, but I can plug it back in...
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10:04:03	scorche	it is in the system menu, but the manual should go into all this
10:04:31	Dosu_Tivien	r18639M-080925
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10:05:13	BigBambi	cool, the update was good. No see if you still have the problem
10:05:18	Dosu_Tivien	ok
10:05:22	Dosu_Tivien	one second.
10:06:08	Dosu_Tivien	...Yep.
10:06:17	Dosu_Tivien	It came up and is now squealing in my ear...loudly.
10:06:36	lol3izer	http://www.google.com/search?q=399999999999999-399999999999998
10:06:37	lol3izer	lol
10:06:41	lol3izer	sorry
10:06:52	BigBambi	lol3izer: ON TOPIC
10:06:54	scorche	lol3izer: dont do that..
10:07:10	lol3izer	yea i ment to paste it in the other channel
10:07:51	scorche	Dosu_Tivien: and you got this build from rbutil?
10:08:09	Dosu_Tivien	scorche: Yes sir. And less than 15 minutes ago as well.
10:09:01	scorche	Dosu_Tivien: do you get the same effects with teh original firmware?
10:09:16	Dosu_Tivien	No, never once.
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10:10:18	scorche	could you try now?
10:10:33	Dosu_Tivien	what, the original firmware?
10:10:40	scorche	yes
10:10:56	Dosu_Tivien	Well, I -could-...but it wouldn't have any music to play, since i restructured the directories.
10:11:26	scorche	is it only when you play music in rockbox?
10:11:34	Dosu_Tivien	No
10:11:38	Dosu_Tivien	It happens when rockbox boots.
10:11:48	Dosu_Tivien	But it only happens about 85% of the time
10:12:00	scorche	then just boot into the original firmware and see
10:12:10	Dosu_Tivien	Ok
10:12:16	*	Dosu_Tivien goes to manual dig for the button to do that.
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10:16:17	Dosu_Tivien	Well, it's not playing any music, because it doesn't have any...but it's not making that stupid noise.
10:17:01	Dosu_Tivien	However...now I have another problem
10:17:16	Dosu_Tivien	now it's not playing music, or making noise at all, it's loading the music file and becoming stuck on 0:00
10:17:24	Dosu_Tivien	Even though it says it's playing, it's doing nothing.
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10:34:07	gevaerts	Dosu_Tivien: do you have keyclicks enabled in rockbox?
10:34:20	Dosu_Tivien	Yes, why?
10:35:31	gevaerts	Try turning it off, and see if that helps. There are some issues with it causing high-pitched noises when pressing strange key combinations at least
10:38:27	Dosu_Tivien	ok
10:38:28	Dosu_Tivien	i'll try that
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10:53:11	*	JdGordon throws something heavy at the recent bookmark list
10:53:21	JdGordon	this would be so much easier if that wasnt there :'(
10:53:41	BigBambi	Oi. Don't you break my beloved recent bookmarks list!
10:55:02	JdGordon	i've almost got it.... but its not as nice as I'd like
10:55:15	JdGordon	not to mentino i _still_ dont get it 100% :p
10:55:23	BigBambi	In code terms or in use terms?
10:56:28	JdGordon	use
10:57:53	BigBambi	For me, it keeps a nice list of the last bookmark I made in say 10 playlists (only one entry for playlists). Then to resume something I don't need to go trawling through directories to find the actual bookmark file. It also acts as a handy reminder - oh yeah, I hadn't finished that had I etc.
10:58:19	BigBambi	* one entry per plqylist
10:58:52	JdGordon	and the "unique" options... is that for the playlist? or the track being played?
10:59:34	JdGordon	This would be easy if I only needed to keep track of the actual bookmark filenames
10:59:43	JdGordon	but that wont be so nice to use
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11:00:21	BigBambi	playlist I believe
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11:02:48	JdGordon	ok, bugger this... im simplifying it.... it will display the bookmark filename and the track that was bookmarked. selecting it will open it up and you can choose which point to start from there?
11:03:07	BigBambi	That isn't as nice
11:03:58	BigBambi	But as I'm not doing the coding I have no real say :)
11:05:23	JdGordon	yeah I know (to it not being as nice)... at least thats a start.. it can be fixed up later
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11:05:39	*	JdGordon just wants to get something working to keep his interest
11:05:45	BigBambi	hehe :)
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11:31:41	amiconn	LinusN: Oh?!
11:32:34	LinusN	it never worked
11:32:45	LinusN	thus, i have never flashed it
11:35:03	amiconn	Well, you could have flashed it with a tested image
11:35:21	amiconn	You only need the serial to recover from a non-working image
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11:39:27	BigBambi	Nico_P: You there?
11:39:32	Nico_P	yes
11:40:18	BigBambi	Do you fancy replying to the last comment on linuxfr that claims that album art is still not in trunk? I can't be bothered to create an account :)
11:40:39	Nico_P	ok
11:40:45	BigBambi	Thanks :)
11:41:00	lol3izer	on the latest builds picture flow crashes for me on a 5.5 20gig ipod
11:41:05	lol3izer	does anyone else have this issue?
11:41:11	BigBambi	I couldn't let a slur like that past. Incidently, I thought your reply was good - the right tone :)
11:41:54	Nico_P	thanks :)
11:41:59	lol3izer	"could not allocate temporary buffer"
11:42:05	lol3izer	then "plugin returned error"
11:42:46	linuxstb	lol3izer: That's not a crash, that's just a failure to run.... No idea why it would do that though.
11:43:02	lol3izer	well its happening :(
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11:44:31	havien	increase the ram
11:44:40	havien	nm wrong server/room
11:45:52	lasser	lol3izer, same error here on e280 rockbox 18561 :-(
11:46:03	lol3izer	we should file a bug report
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11:46:35	Nico_P	BigBambi: done. I hope it doesn't sound too harsh...
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11:47:11	BigBambi	Nico_P: No, I don't think so
11:52:52	lasser	lol3izer, r18341 has a running PictureFlow. Since then there were two changes: 18454 and 18537. Perhaps it's an introduced bug... Could you do that, please?
11:53:26	lol3izer	you mean try that?
11:54:05	lasser	lol3izer, no, the bug report
11:54:12	lol3izer	i dont have a login :(
11:54:25	lol3izer	and i cant get at my email right now
11:54:27	lol3izer	or i would
11:59:43	lasser	lol3izer, reset your settings and then try again. Here this does the job...
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12:01:00	lasser	but first save your settings so you can easily load them back later.
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12:11:40	hullap	hi, congrats on 3.0 release
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12:20:04	Nico_P	hullap: thanks :)
12:20:14	hullap	:>
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12:41:31	JdGordon	:'( bloody hell
12:41:38	JdGordon	you change one little thing and the whole thing dies!
12:43:03	linuxstb	Welcome to Rockbox.
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12:47:14	havien	so would you not recommend updating rockbox yet for an e270?
12:47:33	linuxstb	havien: From what to what?
12:47:41	GodEater	havien: I don't think JdGordon has commited what he just broke
12:47:43	GodEater	so don't worry
12:47:50	GodEater	at least, I hope not!
12:47:52	havien	k
12:48:01	*	GodEater gives JdGordon the frowning of a lifetime
12:48:03	havien	i don't remember what version i have installed
12:48:07	JdGordon	bah
12:48:12	GodEater	havien: it's easy to check
12:48:23	JdGordon	GodEater: your gonna send me postal one day...
12:48:37	GodEater	me personally? I feel honoured...
12:48:40	havien	i don't have it infront of me atm either :/
12:48:58	GodEater	havien: that makes it challenging then ;)
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12:57:01	Nico_P	havien: you're perfectly safe installing 3.0
12:58:14	havien	k
12:58:38	JdGordon	Nico_P: id3->offset and id3->elapsed are the correct places to the get tracks current position right?
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13:00:52	JdGordon	for some reason they arnt getting updated?
13:01:11	Nico_P	where are you getting them from?
13:01:20	JdGordon	audio_current_track();
13:01:32	JdGordon	it was working untill 30min ago or someting :'(
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13:05:54	JdGordon	hmm... maybe i was dreaming... the old patch isnt working either
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13:21:21	amiconn	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UiSimulator#Building_Windows_sim_in_Linux
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13:23:07	JdGordon	yeah found that... is there an easy-ish way to choose which compiler/sdl to use without fidling with configure?
13:23:45	amiconn	The wiki page says it...
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14:55:27	B4gder	the 3.0 one
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16:44:29	markun	hi edhelas
16:45:48	edhelas	i have rockbox on an ipod mini 2G
16:46:23	edhelas	and the last daily built
16:46:41	edhelas	but i want to put the jacket of the albums on my interface
16:46:50	edhelas	when i play the album
16:46:58	edhelas	how can i do this ?
16:47:55	moos	read this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AlbumArt
16:48:11	edhelas	thanks ;)
16:48:28	moos	You're welcome
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17:01:14	edhelas	thanks you :D
17:01:17	edhelas	it works !
17:04:36	moos	that's the rockbox power ;)
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17:55:06	zicho	hm, when i try to create the folder ".rockbox" on my player, i get "in/out"-error
17:55:24	zicho	i have installed the bootloader, but i cant install rockbox
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17:56:32	domonoky	zicho: you dont need to create this folder, just unzip the rockbox.zip... (or do you get this error also when you do this ?)
17:57:04	zicho	yes, i tried that at first, but it didnt work. So i tried to create the folder, same thing
17:57:25	zicho	i can create regular folders, and read/write. but i cant create ".rockbox"
17:57:51	linuxstb	zicho: How are you trying to create it?
17:58:06	zicho	"sudo mkdir .rockbox"
17:58:06	domonoky	hm, i/o error probably means a bad connection (usb cable/port) or perhaps the disk is damaged (try checkdisk/fsck.vfat) ?
17:58:27	linuxstb	Did the unzip give the same i/o error?
17:58:31	LambdaCalculus37	zicho: If you're using Windows, you can't create folders with a . at the beginning; Windows doesn't allow it.
17:59:01	zicho	i use ubuntu
17:59:21	LambdaCalculus37	zicho: Did you try Rockbox Utility?
17:59:34	LambdaCalculus37	And what player (you forgot to mention that).
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18:00:11	zicho	Rockbox utility wont work either, and i use Gigabeat F
18:00:54	domonoky	if he gets i/o errors, rbutil wont help. please check your disk for errors...
18:01:17	zicho	and how can i do that?
18:01:20	domonoky	or try with another usb cable or/and usb port...
18:01:45	domonoky	on linux use fsck.vfat to check the disk, i think...
18:02:32	amiconn	LambdaCalculus37: Windows does allow creating .dotfolders and .dotfiles, just explorer doesn't
18:05:31	LambdaCalculus37	amiconn: Through the command prompt, right?
18:06:07	*	LambdaCalculus37 should've figured, but since he rarely uses Windows anymore, he forgot some of the intricacies
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18:13:14	lws009	hi all
18:13:31	lws009	Hello
18:13:41	ender`	explorer is dumb
18:15:10	ender`	(and windows file APIs are dumb - you can have paths up to 32k in length, but you have to use the APIs in special way to manipulate paths longer than 260 characters - and of course, no file manager does that)
18:15:57	LambdaCalculus37	ender`: And that's off-topic here.
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18:18:17	lws009	Hi
18:20:23	LambdaCalculus37	lws009: Do you have something to say?
18:20:31	markun	lws009: also hi :)
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18:25:57	lws009	I was wondering how come that the iPod 6G is still not covered by rockbox?
18:26:43	LambdaCalculus37	Because of A) firmware encryption, B) undocumented hardware, and C) lack of interest.
18:27:39	lws009	ow, so, there isn't another program orso to change te firmware?
18:28:08	LambdaCalculus37	Nope.
18:28:42	lws009	ow, thats not so fun for me xd
18:29:04	lws009	i was planning to change it, so it was a bit difrent (i was bored of the way it looked
18:29:57	lws009	are you 1 of the programmers from rockbox?
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18:41:35	zicho	is there anyway to make rockbox look for files in a folder other than ".rockbox"?
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18:43:16	domonoky	zicho: which files do you mean ? music ?
18:43:36	zicho	no, the rockbox-files, like wps n shit
18:43:47	*	domonoky doesnt know shit :-)
18:44:10	zicho	because for some reason i cant create a folder called .rockbox without getting i/o-errors
18:44:11	domonoky	zicho: if you compile rockbox yourself its possible, otherwise not...
18:44:43	domonoky	zicho: did check your disk ? tried different usb ports/ cables ?
18:45:01	domonoky	another folder wont help if you get io errors...
18:45:36	zicho	yeah, i tried it
18:45:42	zicho	doesnt seem to be anything wrong with it
18:46:00	zicho	it have never been, this problem started the same time as rockbox got deleted
18:46:13	zicho	but at least it has the bootloader
18:46:46	domonoky	rockbox got deleted ? how ?
18:47:21	zicho	i accidentally deleted it because of a _really_ clumsy mistake
18:47:53	domonoky	:-)
18:49:44	domonoky	so fsck.vfat doesnt find any error on the dap ?
18:50:00	zicho	nope
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18:52:27	atto	are there any plans to include Creative mp3 players on the supported mp3 player list?
18:52:51	krazykit	ports are written by interested owners, atto
18:53:05	krazykit	that means there are no timelines, even if a port is in progress.
18:53:24	domonoky	atto: rockbox doesnt make any plans. if someone with a creative player, the apropriate knowledge and enough time ports it, we would be happy :-)
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18:55:10	atto	a have a creative player but unfortunately I don't have the skills needed... thank you for your help
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18:57:15	zicho	man, this shit is confusing. I dont have any clue on how to fix it either
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20:09:03	klM_	does it work for Archos gmini 400 ?
20:12:37	Bagder	no
20:13:18	Bagder	another flood of visitors => http://gizmodo.com/5054721/rockbox-replacement-mp3-player-firmware-gets-updated
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20:20:51	_MMA_	On a iRiver h3xx using the Cabbie theme what size .bmp does it look for to use as the cover. I thought it was 100x100 but because it crops it, it might be more like 75x75. Correct?
20:21:16	domonoky	and they always mention rbutil, but rbutil wont install 3.0 at moment.. :-)
20:23:44	Llorean	_MMA_: I believe the best way to find out is to look in the .wps file and see what it says.
20:24:28	_MMA_	Llorean: Ok. I thought it was stored in a file but couldn't remember for the life of me. Thanx.
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20:30:42	Bagder	http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/09/25/rockbox-open-source-mp3-player-firmware-hits-30/
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20:40:12	pixelma	Llorean: since a few days you should be able to look up the album art size in the.... "Rockbox Info" screen (though never tried myself so far)
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20:43:39	Nico_P	Bagder: do you have download statistics so far?
20:44:25	Nico_P	btw, I wonder whether we could make the frontpage on /.
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20:54:15	Wictor	hello
20:54:30	Wictor	Where can I see pictures or virtual rockbox 3.0?
20:55:21	BigBambi	in the manual
20:55:42	BigBambi	http://www.rockbox.org/download/
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20:57:59	Wictor	oh, btw - the 60gig ipod manual is not working
20:58:27	LambdaCalculus37	What do you mean, the 60GB iPod manual?
20:58:41	LambdaCalculus37	Which iPod is that? The iPod photo/color or the iPod video?
20:59:16	*	LambdaCalculus37 goes to look
20:59:35	LambdaCalculus37	Wictor: Use the manual for the 30GB video for now; it's the same.
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21:00:19	BigBambi	Wictor: indeed it isn't - it might just be mirror issues
21:01:08	BigBambi	It isn't mirror issues - it isn't on haxx.rockbox.org either
21:01:30	BigBambi	Bagder: you about? There appear to be some manuals missing - e.g. 60/80 GB ipod
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21:02:48	pixelma	the dialy built ones?
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21:03:01	BigBambi	no, the release ones
21:03:11	BigBambi	There are quite a few that aren't there
21:03:25	Wictor	what is the best player to put rockbox on? :p
21:03:27	BigBambi	Don't work from the page, and aren't at http://haxx.rockbox.org/release/3.0/
21:03:33	BigBambi	Wictor: Not an ipod
21:03:41	BigBambi	Other than that, depends what features you want
21:03:53	BigBambi	Wictor: See www.rockbox.org/wiki/BuyersGuide
21:03:56	Wictor	what can I get with the best player I cant get with the rest?
21:03:58	Wictor	oh alright
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21:04:24	BigBambi	Wictor: It is excellent with ipods, but if you were going to buy one I'd recommend others first.
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21:05:47	Wictor	that chart is so confusing :p
21:06:04	BigBambi	Wictor: All features of Rockbox are available on all players if hardware allows - the ipods aren't the best hardware, and as we have no docs on them all work has been done by reverse engineering.
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21:07:08	Wictor	what did you guys install rockbox on?
21:09:34	BigBambi	I have it on a gigabeat S120, gigabeat H60, iriver H140, Sansa e260 and Sansa c240
21:09:44	BigBambi	F60 not H60
21:10:38	Wictor	Youre developer or just a fanatic? :D
21:10:53	funman	or rich ? ;)
21:11:32	Horscht	or the d-word?
21:12:13	Wictor	..divorced?
21:12:29	funman	drug addict?
21:12:35	BigBambi	On topic please chaps
21:12:35	Wictor	drunk?
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21:19:23	Wictor	You killed it, BigBambi : P
21:20:48	edhelas	:'(
21:20:56	edhelas	his mom was dead
21:21:06	LambdaCalculus37	On topic.
21:21:26	edhelas	sorry
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21:23:11	edhelas	bravo for your work on rockbox for ipod mini
21:23:22	edhelas	it work perfect :p
21:23:56	BigBambi	On behalf of those that did the work, thanks :)
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21:24:11	edhelas	i just have one problem ^^ : double entries in the database
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21:24:46	edhelas	when i naviguate in the database i have sometimes
21:24:52	edhelas	2 times the same track
21:24:58	BigBambi	a) Try running the disktidy plugin, b) It is usually a good idea to have dircache and database load to RAM turned on
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21:25:55	BigBambi	Then reinitialise the database. If you still have duplicates, add the two duplicates to a playlist then use the playlist viewer to see if they are actually the same physical track on the hard drive
21:26:18	edhelas	yes it was the same physical trak
21:26:20	edhelas	track
21:26:26	BigBambi	You checked?
21:26:53	edhelas	yes
21:27:15	BigBambi	By looking at the path to the each of them in the playlist viewer?
21:27:35	edhelas	yes it was the same track :)
21:28:07	BigBambi	Because if e.g. you had previously deleted one windows would put it in a hidden recycle bin directory which Rockbox would still find
21:28:30	BigBambi	It being the same track to listen to doesn't immediately mean it is the same one on disk
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21:28:46	edhelas	no it wasreally the same path
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21:29:02	BigBambi	OK, well try the first two things I suggested then
21:29:56	edhelas	ok, the double in the new database disapear ;) thanks
21:30:09	BigBambi	No probs
21:30:39	BigBambi	Sorry for giving such 'obvious' instructions, but we have no way of knowing how literate anyone is :)
21:31:41	edhelas	^^
21:31:43	edhelas	okok
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21:32:37	edhelas	i have another question :)
21:32:46	BigBambi	Sure
21:33:03	edhelas	did it exist a "game boy" emulator for rockbox on ipod mini 2g ?
21:33:23	BigBambi	I'm not sure if it has been adjusted for that yet
21:33:29	edhelas	cause i want to play to "super mario" on my ipod ^^
21:33:57	edhelas	i see that it existe on "ipodlinux"
21:34:12	edhelas	but i don't find him on rockbox :(
21:34:31	BigBambi	No, looks like you are out of luck I'm afraid
21:34:47	BigBambi	ipodlinux and rockbox are completely different
21:34:53	BigBambi	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginIndex
21:37:37	edhelas	ok thanks ;)
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21:37:53	edhelas	thank you very much :D
21:38:16	BigBambi	you are welcome :)
21:39:10	edhelas	good night everybody :)
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21:49:01	webguest53	does rockbox 3.0 support the ITrip for the 30GB video Ipod?
21:51:57	super	any work on the new nanomatic?
21:52:37	LambdaCalculus37	None.
21:54:20	BigBambi	webguest53: You can look up here:http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodAccessories
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21:54:59	BigBambi	webguest53: If not, you can try an unsupported build from here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17841.0
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22:25:17	bluebrother	domonoky: I'm going to release rbutil 1.0.7. Anything in your mind we shouldn't forget before that?
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22:33:43	scorche\|sh	bluebrother: so is it tuned to t.r.o now?
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22:34:54	Bagder	http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/rockbox-3-0-firmware-breathes-the-life-back-into-your-mp3-player/
22:34:59	mcuelenaere	here2code: I'll try to be online tommorow night (GMT+2) at about the same hours as I said in the forum posts; if you have any other (no real-time response needing) questions, send me a PM through the forums
22:35:25	Bagder	the server is running warm no doubt
22:36:21	bluebrother	scorche\|sh: yes.
22:37:14	domonoky	bluebrother: go for it...
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22:37:47	scorche\|sh	Bagder: and the first comment is about the zune...
22:37:49	linuxstb	Bagder: Aww, no Zune support? What are you guys spending your time on?
22:38:22	*	bluebrother notices some glitches due to the slow server ...
22:39:34	Bagder	bluebrother: probably also outright refusal to get contents at times
22:40:46	bluebrother	yep. rbutil needs better handling of this as it can cause segfaults.
22:40:59	bluebrother	but no showstopper for 1.0.7
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22:43:30	BigBambi	Bagder: Did you see my message about the manuals?
22:43:56	Bagder	I did now... lemme check
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22:44:50	Bagder	oh, if I can reach the site...
22:45:00	BigBambi	hehe :)
22:45:04	bluebrother	wow, rockbox.org is _really_ slow right now.
22:45:20	Bagder	it is on 150 clients nonstop basically
22:45:31	BigBambi	Bagder: You can see directly here: http://haxx.rockbox.org/release/3.0/
22:45:36	bluebrother	wow
22:46:12	Bagder	BigBambi: yeah, but I wanted to check what the download page showed. Anyway, I can check behind the scenes instead
22:46:19	BigBambi	ah, OK
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22:47:10	cmz	any technical gurus out there?
22:47:28	BigBambi	cmz: There are generally plenty - it is best just to ask
22:47:29	Bagder	cmz: just ask and you'll find out
22:47:33	scorche\|sh	cmz: it is typically better to ask your actual question right out
22:47:48	BigBambi	Or else you get loads of people telling you to ask :)
22:47:58	bluebrother	you guys are really sure there are technical gurus in this channel?
22:48:12	Bagder	how could it with no Zune port?
22:48:13	scorche\|sh	no...dont bother asking! ;)
22:48:31	bluebrother	I want it for the Ipod Classic!
22:48:34	cmz	right. Right now i'm using the utility for mac and still it says could not open ipod
22:48:36	bluebrother	g
22:48:39	cmz	any ideas?
22:48:44	BigBambi	cmz: Which ipod?
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22:48:54	cmz	nano 1st gen
22:48:56	cmz	2gb
22:49:03	bluebrother	does autodetection figure the correct Ipod?
22:49:26	cmz	autodetection doesn't figure out anything :(
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22:49:48	mindbender2	rockbox.org down?
22:49:55	mindbender2	too much traffic because of 3.0 ?
22:49:57	BigBambi	no, just very slow
22:50:02	BigBambi	mindbender2: yes, that
22:50:10	mindbender2	thought so.
22:50:13	Bagder	edgadgeted and gizmoded
22:50:20	cmz	I'm using 10.5.5 and my ipod is formatted as FAT32
22:50:30	BigBambi	10.5.5?
22:50:32	mindbender2	congratulations...great a new release.
22:50:40	BigBambi	mindbender2: thanks!
22:50:53	cmz	OS X
22:50:56	BigBambi	aha
22:52:10	cmz	just can't figure out why it wouldn't connect to my ipod. maybe i spent to much time on the oktoberfest today ;)
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22:53:42	mindbender2	which device is the best for running rockbox on it currently? i only have old ones
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22:53:54	mindbender2	(sorry, i can`T access the wiki)
22:54:15	scorche\|sh	old doesnt necessarily mean bad
22:54:25	scorche\|sh	it depends on which purpose you are after
22:54:53	mindbender2	i want more than i can do with the archos player...
22:55:06	mindbender2	the display isn`t that great....
22:55:16	mindbender2	with old i mean the old ones ;)
22:55:48	scorche\|sh	pretty much any SWcodec target would be nice though...i typically recommend the Gigabeat F, but depending on yur purposes, others could be better
22:55:57	scorche\|sh	s/though/then
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22:56:09	cmz	hm still says: Download finished. And then: Could not open ipod
22:56:23	linuxstb	mindbender2: Do you want flash or hard disk, colour screen, video playback, recording, FM radio, long battery life, ....
22:56:24	Bagder	BigBambi: manuals and voice for ipodvideo64mb should be fine now
22:56:35	BigBambi	cool, thanks very much :)
22:56:43	Bagder	you just can't get the page to see ;-)
22:56:51	scorche\|sh	cmz: i am not sure how it works on OSX, but does itunes have some sort of "enable disk mode" option?
22:57:08	BigBambi	Bagder: Bagder ipodmini1g also seems to be missing
22:57:21	mindbender2	rockbox on the gigabeat f looks cool!
22:57:30	mindbender2	just found it on youtube
22:57:37	Bagder	true, do we usually have a separate for the mini1g?
22:57:49	cmz	scorche\|sh: no. Itunes thinks the ipod is in "service mode"
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22:58:13	linuxstb	cmz: Are you sure it's a 1st gen Nano?
22:58:14	BigBambi	Bagder: I'm not sure
22:58:37	BigBambi	I imagine not actually - but I didn't know there was for the video either
22:58:45	cmz	linuxstb: yep. Steel back, black front. 2gig
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22:58:57	BigBambi	s/video/60/80GB
22:59:13	Bagder	BigBambi: no, the video problem was that I didn't cut off the '64mb' from the name for that manual
22:59:19	Bagder	so it shows the same one as for the regualr one
22:59:23	BigBambi	ah right
22:59:27	BigBambi	link not manual issue
22:59:32	Bagder	exactly
22:59:35	scorche\|sh	cmz: can you choose the specific mount point?
22:59:57	Bagder	mini is the same it seems
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23:00:04	BigBambi	h100/h120 OK?
23:00:12	Bagder	yes, I remembered that
23:00:12	BigBambi	and recorder 8 MB :)
23:00:16	Bagder	that too
23:00:19	BigBambi	hehe :)
23:00:22	cmz	scorche\|sh: currently its mounted under /volumes/cmznano. I can choose that in the menue
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23:01:57	cmz	First i followed the guide for reformatting the ipod with fat32, which seemed to be fine.
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23:02:23	linuxstb	cmz: Does the Apple firmware still work?
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23:04:33	Aevum	the webpage is down
23:04:40	BigBambi	Sort of
23:04:45	BigBambi	It is just under heavy load
23:05:09	cmz	linuxstb: how can i figure that out?
23:05:19	linuxstb	cmz: Just start it normally.
23:05:51	cmz	linuxstb: it says: use itunes to restore
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23:06:05	Aevum	i guess the classic is still off limits, right ?
23:06:18	BigBambi	yes
23:06:29	linuxstb	cmz: Then you did something wrong in the conversion to FAT32. You need a working FAT32 ipod to install Rockbox onto. I would suggest restoring, then trying the instructions again.
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23:11:50	KEROLiUKAS	is the rockpage download page down due to overwhelming response?
23:12:11	Bagder	yes
23:12:16	Bagder	it's not quite down, just overloaded
23:12:21	Gareth	Hello.
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23:13:29	j6	Hey there :) is it possible to make the database only scan in a specific folder?
23:14:02	j6	because i have a shitload of NSF and SID files, and I dont want them cluttering everything up
23:14:19	Bagder	you can opt-out directories at least
23:14:30	LambdaCalculus37	Yes. Add a database.ignore file to each folder you don't want the database to pick up.
23:14:32	domonoky	j6: you can control what the db scans with "database.ignore" and "database.unignore" files
23:14:55	domonoky	there is already one such file in the .rockbox dir :-)
23:15:12	j6	oh awesome, thank you very much :) didnt see them
23:15:47	cmz	linuxstb: okay. i'll try that. thx
23:17:12	Bagder	a favourite engadget comment: "could they not have kept the award-laden UI and packaged the codec support as a plugin?"
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23:19:18	*	KEROLiUKAS waits impatiently to download 3.0
23:19:43	*	scorche\|sh groans
23:19:44	Bagder	KEROLiUKAS: http://download.rockbox.org/release/3.0
23:19:48	j6	sup?
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23:20:05	KEROLiUKAS	oo sweet
23:20:07	j6	why are you waiting to download it?
23:20:08	voltagex	site down?
23:20:22	Bagder	KEROLiUKAS: the fancy clicky links aren't there, but the files are ;)
23:20:43	KEROLiUKAS	Thanks
23:20:47	scorche\|sh	voltagex: just slow from all the traffic
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23:20:57	voltagex	ok
23:22:23	Topic	"Please read before speaking: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines \| Please direct offtopic/social chat to #rockbox-community \| 3.0! 3.0! 3.0! 3.0! \| No, the site is not down. Just a bit slow from all the traffic...patience!" by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
23:22:38	Bagder	ok, I upped the limit to 200
23:22:42	KEROLiUKAS	sansae200-3.0-english.zip is just the voice right?
23:22:45	Bagder	and wham, we are at 200
23:22:55	KEROLiUKAS	are you the siteowner ?
23:23:13	Bagder	yes that's the voice and yes I'm one of the guys
23:23:18	KEROLiUKAS	cool
23:23:33	KEROLiUKAS	ughh, time to upgrade
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23:25:07	KEROLiUKAS	wow, all I have to do is copy new files...
23:25:12	KEROLiUKAS	now this is the type of upgrade I like
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23:29:06	KEROLiUKAS	how come the now playing is all different/weird/basic ?
23:29:28	KEROLiUKAS	not as it was with this theme
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23:29:49	scorche\|sh	KEROLiUKAS: sounds like the theme you are using was an old broken one..
23:30:05	KEROLiUKAS	using dockpod
23:30:07	domonoky	KEROLiUKAS: changes wps syntacs, your old theme is now invalid... choose a new one :-)
23:30:09	KEROLiUKAS	yea ig uess
23:30:34	KEROLiUKAS	cabbiev2 is that a new 1 ?
23:30:36	domonoky	or take a look at the wiki, perhaps there is a updated version there.
23:30:49	Bagder	the wiki is hard to get to atm...
23:31:06	domonoky	cabbiev2 is the new default theme, but you can choose or build your own as you like.
23:31:22	KEROLiUKAS	it's pretty nice
23:31:31	KEROLiUKAS	but I might make a new 1 to show support
23:32:11	voltagex	Bagder: use torrents for rockbox 4.0? ;)
23:32:25	Bagder	the downloads are no problem
23:32:32	Bagder	we have big fat servers for them
23:32:43	Bagder	this is web site visitors
23:32:59	voltagex	oh
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23:33:13	dionoea	we had exactly the same issue for VideoLAN ... hehe. websites killed us, not the downloads
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23:33:44	dionoea	Bagder: you use Apache?
23:33:47	Bagder	yes
23:33:48	KEROLiUKAS	I can't find a setting for this, but it's def. different than b4...now when I press the home button (power btn) it goes to main menu, but also pauses/stops music
23:33:55	KEROLiUKAS	how can it do that without pausing?
23:34:08	domonoky	take a look at the manual ?
23:34:21	KEROLiUKAS	lol, good idea
23:34:22	KEROLiUKAS	silly me
23:34:30	dionoea	Bagder: if possible, you might want to try lighttpd or nginx for the website ... at least for portions that don't use php
23:34:31	saratoga	Bagder: did you ever try out the JTAG on your sansa?
23:34:35	dionoea	it really brings the load down
23:34:42	Bagder	saratoga: no I didn't
23:34:51	*	pixelma thinks the old "1" is ok, no need to use a new "1" ...as in why don't you type that out as the guidelines ask you to?
23:34:53	funman	saratoga: did you receive your fuze?
23:34:59	saratoga	do you have the pinout for it? i'm wondering if its the same as the one on the V2 hardware
23:35:12	saratoga	funman: not yet, but its ebay so thats not surprising
23:35:17	KEROLiUKAS	does 3.0 have full USB support ?
23:35:18	Bagder	dionoea: yeah, but this really has never been a problem
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23:35:39	BigBambi	KEROLiUKAS: Depends on the player
23:35:44	BigBambi	On ipod and sansa, no
23:35:50	KEROLiUKAS	ahh
23:35:52	KEROLiUKAS	I got sansa
23:36:15	Bagder	saratoga: I think my photos of the jtag-attached board shows that pretty good... if you just can get to them...
23:36:39	saratoga	Bagder: they're online but i don't know how to get the pin out
23:36:43	saratoga	theres just a ribbion cable
23:36:56	KEROLiUKAS	so what are the biggest new features?
23:37:20	saratoga	well it supports your sansa
23:37:24	scorche\|sh	KEROLiUKAS: you might want to check out the WhyRockbox and MajorChanges wikipages
23:37:26	saratoga	thats a pretty big new feature i'd guess
23:37:57	KEROLiUKAS	kinda slow right now
23:38:06	KEROLiUKAS	it already was supporting my sansa
23:38:12	scorche\|sh	KEROLiUKAS: not the release
23:38:15	saratoga	nope, last release was archos only
23:38:20	KEROLiUKAS	I guess I was using a build then
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23:38:39	KEROLiUKAS	but it was outdated
23:38:48	Bagder	saratoga: right, there's no photo showing that ribbon cable going into the connector pins properly
23:39:03	scorche\|sh	you can check out google cache as well...you are goint to want to check the MajorChanges page then from the date of your last build
23:39:28	funman	can someone in possession of the AS3514 SoC datasheet tell me which registers are at addresses 0x70008xxx ?
23:39:33	Bagder	saratoga: I'll dig up the board and write it down, but not tonight
23:40:43	Bagder	http://teraton.com:81/~torment/sansa/e200_jtag_header.gif
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23:41:08	Bagder	seems to be it
23:42:07	saratoga	Bagder: thanks
23:42:28	saratoga	did anyone investigate communicating with JTAG on the V1s?
23:42:28	bertrik	funman, the AS3514 is almost completely controlled over i2c, it has no address 0x70008xxx
23:42:41	saratoga	i want to look into doing it on the V2s but no sense reinventing the wheel
23:42:52	Bagder	saratoga: if you're interested, I could send you the v1 board
23:43:16	saratoga	Bagder: I'll consider it
23:43:39	saratoga	i should be getting a Fuze, and I intend to try its JTAG
23:43:45	Bagder	I recall someone fiddling with jtag back then, but I don't think we managed to accomplish anything significant
23:43:47	funman	bertrik: these are used in ata-sd-pp.c , it must be a SanDisk extension
23:44:15	saratoga	funman: that sounds like a PP register
23:44:40	funman	hm the filename also suggests that
23:45:13	KEROLiUKAS	ergh, it doesn't seem to mention the move of the buttons...the power button now pauses and goes to main menu, while the submenu button goes to main menu without pausing (what the power button used to do)
23:45:17	KEROLiUKAS	oh well i'll get used to it
23:45:47	scorche\|sh	it should mention that if you go far back enough
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23:46:09	KEROLiUKAS	I was just checking the manual
23:46:29	scorche\|sh	the manual should correctly describe the current behavior
23:46:47	KEROLiUKAS	yea
23:47:02	KEROLiUKAS	it's all good
23:47:08	KEROLiUKAS	time to read documentation on theme creation
23:47:47	KEROLiUKAS	my theme is gonna pwn :P
23:48:29	funman	is PortalPlayer something including an AS3514 in it ?
23:48:38	Bagder	yes
23:48:39	BigBambi	KEROLiUKAS: Rockbox runs on many players, and we aim to be where possible consistent across players. We don't actually care what any of the original firmwares do.
23:48:58	Bagder	funman: the PP5024 basically has a AS3514 built-in
23:49:13	KEROLiUKAS	BigBambi it's not what the original firmware did, it's what the outdated version of rockbox did
23:49:15	KEROLiUKAS	but it's all good
23:49:19	KEROLiUKAS	i'll get used to it
23:49:21	funman	Is that called a SoSoC ?
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23:50:04	Bagder	putting separate things into a single circuit is common business
23:50:39	BigBambi	KEROLiUKAS: ah, sorry
23:50:55	BigBambi	You did have an old version :)
23:51:13	funman	maybe we must watch out for registers undocumented in the as3525 datasheet in order to access the nand
23:51:25	KEROLiUKAS	ugh, since the site is so slow, anyone know where in the site is the theme creation documentation or smthg like that?
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23:53:06	BigBambi	www.rockbox.org/wiki/CustomWps
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23:54:31	KEROLiUKAS	Thanks
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23:56:29	DerPapst	yay!
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23:58:36	KEROLiUKAS	ergh, I think i'll start of with cabbie v2 as the framework

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