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| 00:00:53 | KEROLiUKAS | is there a sandbox type thing? for testing themes/developing |
| 00:01:26 | DerPapst | the rockb ox UI sim |
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| 00:01:39 | DerPapst | dunno how far the wps editor is |
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| 00:04:49 | Thundercloud | Hey guy |
| 00:04:52 | Thundercloud | s/ guys |
| 00:05:02 | Thundercloud | I take it rockbox.org is being slashdotted? |
| 00:05:13 | Bagder | yes, although not by slashdot ;-) |
| 00:05:23 | KEROLiUKAS | Engadget? |
| 00:05:27 | funman | rockboxed ? |
| 00:05:37 | Bagder | Engadgeted! |
| 00:05:42 | KEROLiUKAS | if you want to d/l, http://download.rockbox.org/release/3.0/ |
| 00:06:06 | KEROLiUKAS | Bagder I had the same problem with "The Engadget Effect" when my site was posted a while back |
| 00:06:22 | Thundercloud | Actually my question was more regarding what platforms 3.0 officially supports |
| 00:06:59 | BigBambi | Those that you can download for from that directory |
| 00:07:10 | Thundercloud | Fair 'nuff :D |
| 00:07:12 | Thundercloud | I have two mp3 playesr |
| 00:07:15 | Thundercloud | s/ players |
| 00:07:21 | Thundercloud | An iAudio D2, which is my main one |
| 00:07:25 | BigBambi | Nope |
| 00:07:29 | Thundercloud | And an iAudio X5, which I keep for pretty much rockbox :D |
| 00:07:33 | BigBambi | Yep :) |
| 00:07:41 | Thundercloud | Gotta have a test platform for these things :D |
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| 00:10:13 | bluebrother | Bagder: updated rbutil m1.0.7 here: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/rbutil/rbutilqt-v1.0.7.zip and .tar.bz2. Can you move them to the download server? |
| 00:11:27 | Bagder | bluebrother: done! |
| 00:11:54 | bluebrother | Bagder: thanks. I'll give up editing the RockboxUtility wiki page due to the heavy server load ... will do tomorrow |
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| 00:12:13 | Bagder | yeah, and by the it should be mirrored fine already |
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| 00:12:17 | Bagder | by then |
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| 00:18:19 | Bagder | www.rockbox.org got 44100 visits yday |
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| 00:19:16 | Nico_P | Bagder: do you have download stats? |
| 00:19:25 | Llorean | Interestingly, the forums haven't really seen a significant increase in page views. |
| 00:19:39 | Llorean | The 24th was our record high in page views this month |
| 00:19:50 | Llorean | No, wait, the 7th was |
| 00:19:54 | Bagder | Nico_P: not any good ones as they're hosted by the three dl servers I'm not admin of |
| 00:20:14 | Nico_P | ok |
| 00:20:35 | Nico_P | what's our average number of visits per day? |
| 00:20:52 | Bagder | 10000 roughly |
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| 00:25:53 | scorche|sh | Llorean: the forums have had a few spikes, but the only real surge in traffic has been the last 2 hours of so |
| 00:26:10 | Llorean | scorche|sh: I just looked at the total page views |
| 00:26:43 | Llorean | I guess we've got a while yet before today is done for page views though |
| 00:26:58 | Llorean | Did anything interesting happen on the 7th that I don't remember? |
| 00:27:13 | j6 | how come the traffic is so heavy? |
| 00:27:16 | Bagder | the engadget post appeared only a few hours ago and that seems to be the biggest |
| 00:27:22 | Llorean | j6: 3.0 came out. |
| 00:27:25 | j6 | oh engadget |
| 00:27:36 | j6 | Llorean: yeah i know, but i downloaded it fine yesterday |
| 00:27:38 | Bagder | Llorean: the main site has no bump on the 7th |
| 00:27:46 | Llorean | Bagder: It's possibly a good thing we _didn't_ issue a press release anywhere |
| 00:28:11 | Llorean | Bagder: On the 7th we saw 39,000 page views in the forums, daily average other than that is probably about 25k |
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| 00:29:50 | Nico_P | does anyone have a slashdot account? |
| 00:30:08 | bluebrother | Nico_P: want to kill the poor web server? ;-) |
| 00:30:28 | scorche|sh | Llorean: there will be quite a bit more today...going by the bandwidth graph trends at least |
| 00:30:42 | Nico_P | wow the website has become superfast |
| 00:31:01 | Llorean | scorche|sh: Should be fun. |
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| 00:31:29 | Nico_P | hmm I guess I was just lucky |
| 00:32:06 | lard-Vader | Hey guys, just curious, has anyone done any work on a zune port? |
| 00:32:23 | scorche|sh | Llorean: yup...the server cna take a whole lot more though.. |
| 00:32:30 | bluebrother | lard-Vader: no |
| 00:32:31 | scorche|sh | lard-Vader: not really |
| 00:32:31 | Nico_P | lard-Vader: there was some research, but it's hit a brick wall |
| 00:32:47 | lard-Vader | Special checksum hardware I read? |
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| 00:33:50 | Nico_P | yes |
| 00:34:13 | lard-Vader | I volunteer to infiltrate microsoft and steal their private key. |
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| 00:35:41 | Nico_P | lard-Vader: heh, you're welcome to try ;) |
| 00:35:47 | LambdaCalculus37 | lard-Vader: We won't be held responsible for any resistance you may encounter. ;) |
| 00:35:55 | scorche|sh | lard-Vader: shhhh...we dont want to know! |
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| 00:38:04 | * | Llorean notes that someone did attempt to submit Rockbox 3.0's release to slashdot. |
| 00:38:14 | Llorean | 12 words long. :) |
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| 00:38:45 | Bagder | the PR department is effective here! |
| 00:38:57 | Bagder | :-P |
| 00:38:58 | Llorean | I attempted to write one just now, but it told me one had already been submitted for the URL. |
| 00:39:05 | Bagder | oh |
| 00:39:17 | Bagder | then link to the downloads! ;-P |
| 00:39:27 | Llorean | I'm about to! |
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| 00:39:36 | Nico_P | or the release notes |
| 00:39:46 | scorche|sh | we have notes? ;) |
| 00:40:15 | Nico_P | Bagder: did you submit a story? |
| 00:40:36 | Bagder | all the 12 words are mine and mine only! |
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| 00:42:05 | Nico_P | haha, a slightly longer one might have been better :) |
| 00:42:35 | * | Llorean submitted a slightly longer one. |
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| 00:44:19 | Nico_P | Llorean: very nice (assuming you are DarkkOne) :) |
| 00:44:27 | scorche|sh | he is |
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| 00:49:50 | * | petur voted... |
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| 01:01:15 | j6 | hey, why dont we have SNDH support :( |
| 01:01:35 | * | DerPapst doesn't even know what it is |
| 01:01:36 | lard-Vader | SNDH? |
| 01:01:56 | DerPapst | but most probably because no one has done it yet :P |
| 01:01:58 | j6 | atari st :3 |
| 01:02:18 | Bagder | j6: so there's a chance for you to go ahead! |
| 01:02:19 | j6 | there has been a post about it on the bugtracker forever |
| 01:02:29 | j6 | Bagder: i would love to, not very good at C though |
| 01:03:03 | Bagder | we've had people learn C in order to hack Rockbox in the past already, you wouldn't be the first! :-) |
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| 01:03:06 | Llorean | j6: It'll probably take you less time to learn C than it'll take if you just sit and wait for the bits to line themselves up. :) |
| 01:03:32 | DeathWolf | Is there any hope of h264 decoding on the ipods?(ie, is there anyone currently working on it?) |
| 01:03:45 | Llorean | DeathWolf: They're too slow, except the iPod Video's special video processor |
| 01:04:04 | DeathWolf | the apple firmware does it fine |
| 01:04:14 | DeathWolf | (there's a builtin h264 decoder iirc?) |
| 01:04:17 | Bagder | special video processor being the key there |
| 01:04:19 | DeathWolf | (hardware one that is) |
| 01:04:22 | Llorean | DeathWolf: Note what I said... |
| 01:04:27 | DeathWolf | ah yes sorry |
| 01:04:31 | Llorean | You asked about "iPods" |
| 01:04:36 | j6 | Llorean: :( |
| 01:04:39 | DeathWolf | Let me say ipod5G+ then:) |
| 01:04:41 | Llorean | j6: Just truth. |
| 01:04:43 | DerPapst | because of "the iPod Video's special video processor" |
| 01:04:48 | j6 | Llorean: yeah i guess |
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| 01:04:55 | Llorean | DeathWolf: There's almost no knowledge of the specialized hardware, and no docs on it, so it's unlikely to happen. |
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| 01:05:17 | j6 | Llorean: what do i have to know if i want to write a sndh decoder? |
| 01:05:26 | j6 | :x |
| 01:05:33 | j6 | except for how the atari st works etc |
| 01:05:37 | j6 | god damn |
| 01:05:48 | DeathWolf | Thought so Llorean:/ |
| 01:05:50 | DerPapst | how to write a codec for rockbox |
| 01:06:09 | DeathWolf | Thanks anyway for the info:) |
| 01:06:09 | j6 | sounds like what i am looking for |
| 01:06:10 | DerPapst | and C of course ;( |
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| 01:06:17 | DerPapst | s/;(/;) |
| 01:06:42 | DerPapst | there is a wikipage about writing codecs. |
| 01:06:51 | DerPapst | dunno the URL though |
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| 01:07:18 | j6 | guess i'll wait until the site isnt under such heavy load |
| 01:07:24 | scorche|sh | HowToWriteCodecs? ;) |
| 01:07:35 | DerPapst | maybe :P |
| 01:08:01 | * | DerPapst isn't too familiar with the rockbox wiki |
| 01:09:35 | KEROLiUKAS | http://img502.imageshack.us/my.php?image=09252008180909gw5.png |
| 01:09:39 | KEROLiUKAS | what do you guys think so far? |
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| 01:10:24 | * | DerPapst thinks those are strange song titles |
| 01:10:29 | KEROLiUKAS | haha |
| 01:10:47 | KEROLiUKAS | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqXi8WmQ_WM |
| 01:10:54 | KEROLiUKAS | the song is funny |
| 01:10:58 | j6 | KEROLiUKAS: looks nice, the seek bar thing should be a bit brighter though |
| 01:11:14 | KEROLiUKAS | progress bar? |
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| 01:11:28 | j6 | yeah |
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| 01:14:31 | KEROLiUKAS | http://img442.imageshack.us/my.php?image=09252008181424hx6.png |
| 01:14:40 | KEROLiUKAS | like that? |
| 01:14:47 | KEROLiUKAS | now the buttons need more color too |
| 01:15:39 | lard-Vader | Best song ever |
| 01:16:17 | funman | it's a porno OST |
| 01:16:31 | lard-Vader | porno? |
| 01:16:39 | scorche|sh | this is getting very offtopic folks... |
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| 01:18:10 | KEROLiUKAS | scorche|sh should this type of theme talk be in the offtopic chan? |
| 01:18:13 | lard-Vader | Show me your gentials... your genetalia! |
| 01:18:41 | scorche|sh | lard-Vader: last warning |
| 01:19:13 | scorche|sh | KEROLiUKAS: probably...it isnt strictly offtopic, but it might be nicer |
| 01:19:45 | funman | it is inciting to offtopic |
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| 01:32:50 | funman | I need an explanation of the bottom of http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.ddi0172a/i1008272.html |
| 01:32:58 | funman | fp >= 3/8 * fm |
| 01:33:04 | funman | where p = PCLK and m = MCLK |
| 01:33:15 | funman | if p = PCLK, then what's fp ? |
| 01:33:47 | funman | some notation specific to clocks maybe |
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| 01:52:20 | funman | the first are wrappers to 'well-known' functions we have examinated already |
| 01:52:56 | funman | that could hopefully help understanding the '0xec sized struct' |
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| 05:24:58 | here2code | hi, while compiling rockbox i get the following error |
| 05:25:00 | here2code | debug_menu.c: In function 'dbg_menu_getname': |
| 05:25:00 | here2code | debug_menu.c:2569: warning: pointer targets in return differ in signedness |
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| 05:25:33 | ddalton | hey, what do I do to get the sansa into a mode where i can mount and copy files to it? |
| 05:25:39 | here2code | i can change the code, but i am sure others must have seen the problem |
| 05:26:43 | here2code | anyone? |
| 05:26:50 | Llorean | ddalton: traditionally, "plug a USB cable in to it" |
| 05:27:09 | scorche|sh | ddalton: though, you may need to change it to MCS mode |
| 05:27:17 | scorche|sh | MSC |
| 05:27:35 | Llorean | scorche|sh: You can mount and copy files to it in MTP mode too... |
| 05:28:04 | Llorean | here2code: http://build.rockbox.org/dev.cgi shows any warnings and errors the official build servers are seeing. Since you're seeing it, and they aren't, it suggests something in your environment may not be set up right. |
| 05:28:34 | here2code | i am trying to compile it for mips |
| 05:28:40 | ddalton | ok, thnx. |
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| 05:28:45 | here2code | but that shouldnt be any different |
| 05:28:49 | Unhelpful | Llorean: not "mount and copy" so much as "send tracks and store files", although windows does provide a FS view, iirc? |
| 05:29:08 | Unhelpful | here2code: "for mips"? which player, specifically? |
| 05:29:16 | here2code | vx747 |
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| 05:30:31 | Llorean | Unhelpful: It provides a reasonable facsimile of a filesystem view that you can access through Explorer and interact with as if it were a real filesystem, yes. |
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| 05:31:19 | Unhelpful | only wart i remember is that apps mostly won't "see" it as it's not actually a "drive" in the sense expected by things messing with files on windows |
| 05:31:22 | here2code | that would be Onda VX747 |
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| 05:32:14 | saratoga | since that port is still in progress, there may be warnings |
| 05:34:22 | here2code | is there a different make option to just build the rockbox bootloader; i am trying make bin |
| 05:35:06 | saratoga | the configure script determines what you build |
| 05:37:16 | here2code | so how can i just build "rockbox bootloader" ? |
| 05:37:54 | saratoga | run the configure script and select bootloader |
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| 05:40:07 | saratoga | then run make and make zip |
| 05:40:41 | here2code | got it. i was choosing N for normal. thanks |
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| 05:58:39 | * | ameyer wonders what "*PANIC* (newline) Stkov (0)" means |
| 05:58:58 | ameyer | obviously, with a newline instead of (newline) |
| 05:59:09 | Llorean | It means there was a stack overflow. |
| 05:59:18 | Llorean | What were you doing? |
| 05:59:46 | ameyer | with the sansa charging patch applied, I held power with USB connected |
| 06:00 |
| 06:00:00 | Llorean | Isn't there already a bug report up on this? |
| 06:01:12 | ameyer | *shrug* since the patch isn't officially part of rockbox, I suspect not |
| 06:01:28 | Llorean | Well, I think it's just a comment in the task |
| 06:02:03 | Llorean | Yeah, A day and a few hours ago it was posted to the task. |
| 06:05:23 | ameyer | first I saw it |
| 06:06:02 | saratoga | since the sansa randomly crashes on USB insert even without the charging patch, I tend to think its probably a more general PP bug |
| 06:06:07 | saratoga | but i haven't tried charging my sansa yet |
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| 06:18:15 | ameyer | saratoga: not exactly randomly |
| 06:18:38 | ameyer | some builds it happens 100% of the time, some it doesn't at all. |
| 06:19:02 | ameyer | for me at least, YMMV, etc. |
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| 06:21:11 | * | ameyer suspects that bug may have unintentionally be fixed |
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| 06:21:43 | ameyer | saratoga: also, I suspect there's a difference between just locking up and throwing a stkov |
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| 06:27:14 | ddalton | I get this error when connecting the sansa: |
| 06:27:17 | ddalton | [17173.339430] hub 5-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 6 [17189.470697] usb 3-2: device descriptor read/64, error -110 |
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| 06:28:16 | Llorean | ddalton: You're not providing much useful information here. |
| 06:28:24 | Llorean | OF or Rockbox, MSC or MTP, e200 or c200? |
| 06:28:49 | ddalton | um, its an e200, v2 i think though, and there is no usb item in the settings menu... |
| 06:28:56 | ddalton | of |
| 06:29:01 | Llorean | v2? |
| 06:29:05 | Llorean | Rockbox doesn't run on the v2. |
| 06:29:16 | Llorean | Problems with the OF should be addressed to Sandisk. |
| 06:29:26 | ddalton | is connecting the same way though? |
| 06:29:44 | ddalton | cause im not sure cause im blind so I cant read the version number |
| 06:30:14 | Llorean | Well the only way to definitely tell a v2 from a v1 is to read the version number of the original firmware. |
| 06:30:53 | Llorean | Well, or install Rockbox on it, as that would confirm it's a v1. |
| 06:30:55 | ddalton | i thought there was a version file someone on the player that i could cat from memory? |
| 06:30:59 | ddalton | somewhere? |
| 06:31:41 | ddalton | fine dont worry about it then |
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| 06:54:02 | liebert | does anyone know if there is support for sony walkman mp3 players? |
| 06:54:42 | Llorean | liebert: There is only support for the players listed as supported. |
| 06:54:58 | liebert | god damn |
| 06:55:24 | Llorean | Well, people with an interest in those players, such as you, apparently don't step forward and do the work. |
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| 07:09:48 | Bagder | http://www.boingboing.net/2008/09/25/rockbox-30-turn-your.html |
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| 07:12:36 | JdGordon | why is everyone using that picture?! |
| 07:14:14 | JdGordon | lol... via engadget via ostatic via .... |
| 07:14:59 | Bagder | also common referer atm: http://japanese.engadget.com/2008/09/25/ipod-rockbox-3-0/ |
| 07:15:38 | Bagder | but now, breakfast |
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| 07:35:31 | Nico_P | what happened to our /. story? |
| 07:38:10 | Llorean | It hasn't shown yet |
| 07:38:18 | Llorean | As far as I've seen at least |
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| 07:48:21 | Nico_P | Llorean: no, it hasn't and I can't find it on the firehose |
| 07:49:03 | Llorean | That's because it was accepted. |
| 07:49:07 | Llorean | So it *will* be posted eventually. |
| 07:49:11 | Llorean | I believe |
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| 07:49:43 | Nico_P | ah :) |
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| 08:49:58 | LinusN | now that the 1.0.7 rbutil release is out, meybe we could link to it from http://www.rockbox.org/download/ ?? |
| 08:50:04 | LinusN | maybe |
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| 08:51:19 | LinusN | perhaps even a copy of it, so it remains stable for those who prefer to try 3.0 |
| 08:58:49 | Llorean | Well, any future versions should be able to download 3.0 too, until 3.1 comes out, right? |
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| 09:00:12 | LinusN | sure, but i wouldn't want a temporary bug in future rbutil versions to stop people from downloading 3.0 |
| 09:00:37 | LinusN | the same goes for the bootloaders |
| 09:01:40 | Llorean | I think we shouldn't keep an old version of RBUtil around (it's more likely to turn out incompatible with something in the future) but rather keep a backup of the previous version around somewhere each time we update, and roll back immediately if there are significant enough problems. |
| 09:02:27 | Llorean | I don't really think there's much beneficial to having two different versions of the same installer available, one not receiving any updates at all. |
| 09:03:24 | cool_walking_ | I think RbUtil should just grab an XML file from the server that contains a list of all the releases. |
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| 09:07:08 | B4gder | site being responsive again? |
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| 09:07:20 | Llorean | For the moment. |
| 09:07:37 | Llorean | As far as I can tell, my article has been accepted by slashdot but not posted yet so it may get a beating again today. |
| 09:07:47 | B4gder | ah |
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| 09:19:33 | amiconn | Seem we might need to release a 3.0.1 for the Player |
| 09:20:02 | B4gder | what's the problem with 3.0 on that? |
| 09:21:06 | amiconn | Not a bug, but the new flash rom images can no longer have the start for the main image at (rom_start+24K), it will be at (rom_start+28K) like the other archoses |
| 09:21:28 | amiconn | Bootbox grew too big, even with my size optimisations, and hence the rombox start address is wrong |
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| 09:28:28 | JdGordon | arnt there only about 3 Player's still in existance? |
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| 09:34:13 | * | amiconn thinks that there are considerably more Players in existence (and use) than Ondios |
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| 09:35:22 | BigBambi | Bagder: I think the frontpage should be changed to add that the nano 4th gen isn't supported |
| 09:35:38 | * | scorche groans |
| 09:35:43 | Llorean | Maybe we should just change it to (and NO other iPods) |
| 09:35:47 | BigBambi | Or that |
| 09:35:55 | scorche | Llorean: seriously... |
| 09:36:23 | BigBambi | But at the moment seeing as we list that some do work and others don't, not to have one mentioned could be interpreted as a little ambiguous |
| 09:36:24 | Llorean | At least that way we don't have to keep updating it every time Steve has a new favorite disk size. |
| 09:38:20 | GodEater | brb - firefox restart req'd |
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| 09:38:43 | lol3izer_ | has anyone made any progress on the new encrypted firmwares? |
| 09:38:51 | scorche | nope |
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| 09:40:15 | B4gder | lol3izer_: I think people in general go with less resistance so they pick other targets instead |
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| 09:57:40 | ^DVD-R^ | i have an 80GB iPod classic will this work? |
| 09:57:48 | B4gder | no |
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| 09:59:02 | B4gder | sell it and get one that works with rockbox! |
| 10:00 |
| 10:02:04 | GodEater | is build.rockbox.org unwell ? |
| 10:02:15 | GodEater | hmm - no - must be my end |
| 10:02:36 | B4gder | I think we're still close to the max |
| 10:02:46 | B4gder | so it might get slow at times |
| 10:03:05 | GodEater | ah ok |
| 10:03:18 | GodEater | I'm trying to grab the latest source tarball, and it's not quick :( |
| 10:03:29 | * | GodEater mutters a bit more about git/svn over http |
| 10:04:40 | voltagex | B4gder: is the bandwidth bill going to be scary? |
| 10:04:46 | B4gder | nope |
| 10:04:56 | B4gder | we pay fixed rate for it |
| 10:05:10 | B4gder | and the download servers are donated bandwidth by others |
| 10:05:26 | * | B4gder thanks sponsors |
| 10:05:33 | * | GodEater hugs "others" |
| 10:05:54 | * | voltagex cuts to a commercial break |
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| 10:09:36 | lol3izer_ | open source dosent need users >_> |
| 10:10:17 | B4gder | http://www.golem.de/0809/62633.html |
| 10:10:30 | B4gder | many referers from there now |
| 10:10:51 | * | scorche hopes someone is updating the ArticlesAboutRockbox page |
| 10:10:56 | lol3izer_ | this 3.0 release is really generating alot of publicity |
| 10:11:05 | B4gder | indeed |
| 10:11:14 | scorche | UGH....first comment there is about the classic |
| 10:11:41 | scorche | i am beginning to see a trend |
| 10:11:49 | lol3izer_ | people like to complain? |
| 10:11:52 | B4gder | http://mp3.generationmp3.com/2008/09/26/rockbox-passe-en-version-3/ |
| 10:11:56 | lol3izer_ | because i saw that trend a long time ago :D |
| 10:11:58 | GodEater | again |
| 10:11:59 | GodEater | :) |
| 10:14:23 | B4gder | no longer front page on engadget so I think those slowed down now |
| 10:14:42 | lol3izer_ | you are gonna get continual spikes |
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| 10:14:51 | lol3izer_ | as it spreads around to all the blogs |
| 10:15:07 | B4gder | it's really more of a contant heavy load since last night |
| 10:15:41 | lol3izer_ | this could attract more developers aswell |
| 10:15:43 | lol3izer_ | but its hard to say |
| 10:15:56 | lol3izer_ | it seems almost everyone capable of anything probly would have known about it already |
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| 10:17:44 | B4gder | well, given perhaps 50-100K new users on the site, a very small fraction of them might be potential new hackers |
| 10:17:59 | * | GodEater hopes so |
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| 10:19:44 | * | B4gder is an optimist |
| 10:22:51 | * | GodEater is too |
| 10:22:57 | vitja | gevaerts: what about using USB_EP_BULK_(IN|OUT) instead of usb_serial_set_first_endpint? |
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| 10:26:53 | voltagex | B4gder: I've cured my warrenty-voiding-phobia, so I might actually be able to contribute something useful back to Rockbox |
| 10:27:18 | B4gder | that's a nasty decease indeed! |
| 10:27:39 | voltagex | destroyed two h300s in the process though :'( |
| 10:29:27 | LinusN | voltagex: how did you do that? |
| 10:30:09 | voltagex | LinusN: by being a fool. One just died, the other I managed to rip the ribbon cable... |
| 10:30:14 | LinusN | ouch |
| 10:30:26 | voltagex | painful lesson. |
| 10:30:48 | voltagex | well, the ribbon cable is in tact, but I don't have the equipment to solder it back to the board |
| 10:31:09 | voltagex | someone here suggested reflowing the solder, which I will do as soon as I can. |
| 10:31:57 | voltagex | Better news is that the iRiver E100 is much easier to pull apart. Just need to get a scanner so I can post some PCB pics. |
| 10:32:34 | voltagex | it still uses .hex firmware too :D |
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| 10:38:02 | w1ll14m | i have a problem |
| 10:38:19 | w1ll14m | i get undefined reference to `free' when compiling libdumb |
| 10:38:21 | voltagex | don't we all? |
| 10:38:47 | w1ll14m | to be honest, i'm trying to build somthing for rockbox. |
| 10:38:49 | w1ll14m | hehe indeed |
| 10:39:15 | w1ll14m | when i trac eit back... it seems the call 'if (callbacks) free(callbacks);' |
| 10:39:32 | w1ll14m | is free somewhat connected to malloc ? |
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| 10:40:44 | B4gder | yes |
| 10:40:50 | w1ll14m | ok |
| 10:40:51 | B4gder | it's the opposite of malloc |
| 10:40:58 | w1ll14m | i was affraid so. |
| 10:41:21 | w1ll14m | i created a malloc wrapper (based on vorbis codec malloc wrapper) |
| 10:41:48 | w1ll14m | how do i use free at this point ? |
| 10:41:49 | B4gder | you should basically fix the code to not have to call free |
| 10:42:00 | linuxstb | w1ll14m: Creating a wrapper is the easy way out - the best solution is to (as far as possible) change libdumb to allocate things statically |
| 10:42:00 | w1ll14m | ahh ok |
| 10:42:31 | w1ll14m | well this is the second thing i write in C (first thing i wrote was hello world) |
| 10:42:49 | B4gder | right, and if you do use a wrapper you should make sure it only "allocates" a fixed amount of data and then it stops |
| 10:42:53 | B4gder | and not use free at all |
| 10:42:59 | linuxstb | Wasn't there already a libdumb port though? |
| 10:43:05 | B4gder | there was |
| 10:43:26 | w1ll14m | hmm |
| 10:43:33 | B4gder | iirc, it had terrible performance problems |
| 10:43:45 | w1ll14m | hehehe |
| 10:44:00 | w1ll14m | it's worth trying i guess |
| 10:44:12 | w1ll14m | and it's something nice to learn |
| 10:45:08 | w1ll14m | if i have a malloc and free call... how should i take care of static allocation ? |
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| 10:45:46 | mak3 | hi all |
| 10:45:54 | mak3 | is there any news on supporting ipod classic? |
| 10:46:01 | linuxstb | mak3: No. |
| 10:46:12 | mak3 | hmmkay |
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| 10:47:59 | mak3 | my ipod video 60gb is broken and the repair cost the same like a ipod classic 120gb. :/ |
| 10:49:11 | linuxstb | w1ll14m: If, for example, you're calling malloc to allocate memory for a struct, you just declare an instance of that struct somewhere, and set the pointer to point to that instead. Or just change the declaration from a pointer to a struct to a struct (but that would mean changing more code) |
| 10:49:11 | scorche | then buy a nonpod? |
| 10:49:33 | mak3 | they are all too big as far is see.. |
| 10:49:52 | GodEater | well just wishing for a port of rockbox to the classic won't make it happen |
| 10:49:57 | scorche | too big? |
| 10:49:57 | linuxstb | mak3: Then crack the encryption which is preventing people working on a port to the classic... |
| 10:50:09 | markun | mak3: if you're happy with the classic without rockbox than just buy that |
| 10:50:13 | linuxstb | mak3: Or don't use Rockbox. Those are the options... |
| 10:50:22 | mak3 | or not on sale anymore.. |
| 10:50:29 | scorche | ebay... |
| 10:50:41 | BigBambi | We are very sorry about that, but there isn't much we can do |
| 10:51:31 | mak3 | humm i thought the encryption is already cracked.. |
| 10:51:39 | markun | that's a different encryption |
| 10:51:40 | BigBambi | not in any way |
| 10:51:46 | markun | for the database, not the firmware |
| 10:51:52 | B4gder | it wasn't even encryption |
| 10:51:55 | mak3 | hm okay i see |
| 10:51:56 | mak3 | very odd |
| 10:52:03 | B4gder | not at all odd |
| 10:52:22 | w1ll14m | linuxstb, thanx i'll look in to it |
| 10:52:57 | w1ll14m | mak3 what's broken on the ipod video ? |
| 10:53:04 | mak3 | hardware side |
| 10:53:32 | w1ll14m | is it the main board or harddisk or battery ? |
| 10:53:34 | GodEater | yes, but *what* hardware ?:) |
| 10:53:52 | mak3 | i think the main board. |
| 10:53:59 | mak3 | first it was only the display |
| 10:54:08 | w1ll14m | what do you get when you power it on ? |
| 10:54:23 | mak3 | i could used it anyway but then after a while it doesnt boot anymore |
| 10:54:45 | mak3 | it doesnt power on |
| 10:55:03 | w1ll14m | or is the display dead / |
| 10:55:13 | w1ll14m | ahh |
| 10:55:14 | w1ll14m | ok |
| 10:55:49 | w1ll14m | i would say open it up, check the cables. else it could be your mainboard indeed |
| 10:56:06 | mak3 | i sent it too http://www.macianer.com/ |
| 10:56:17 | mak3 | he said it needs display/motherboard replacement |
| 10:56:36 | * | GodEater never trusts those online repair outlets |
| 10:57:08 | w1ll14m | i don't trust them ether |
| 10:58:19 | mak3 | hm if its only a cable i would need a new display anyway. |
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| 11:01:15 | w1ll14m | i would search for ipod's with a dead harddisl. |
| 11:04:46 | w1ll14m | could be a lot cheaper :) |
| 11:04:53 | mak3 | 0 results found for ipod death harddisk. ^^ |
| 11:05:04 | mak3 | oh dead. |
| 11:05:13 | mak3 | hmm the same |
| 11:05:21 | DerPapst | search for broken ipods |
| 11:05:54 | mak3 | good idea |
| 11:06:09 | DerPapst | i know. it's from me :P |
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| 11:08:31 | mak3 | what about this? http://cgi.ebay.ch/IPod-Video-60GB-Broken_W0QQitemZ150298182669QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item150298182669&_trkparms=72%3A1229|39%3A1|66%3A2|65%3A12|240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 |
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| 11:14:24 | mak3 | hmm, i found a cheap working ipod video 60gb. ;) |
| 11:17:05 | w1ll14m | i really hate those new ipods |
| 11:17:12 | w1ll14m | damn encryption |
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| 11:17:38 | havien | new ones have encrypted firmware? |
| 11:17:45 | mak3 | yeah very bad move from apple |
| 11:17:50 | w1ll14m | yep |
| 11:17:51 | w1ll14m | nano 2g and up |
| 11:18:02 | w1ll14m | and new ipod classic |
| 11:18:04 | lol3izer_ | 3g |
| 11:18:09 | lol3izer_ | not 2g |
| 11:18:14 | w1ll14m | yes |
| 11:18:21 | w1ll14m | nano 2g has encrypted firmware |
| 11:18:43 | havien | anyway to pull the data from the usb port during a firmware upgrade? or is it all done inside the ipod itself? |
| 11:18:56 | w1ll14m | it's done on the ipod itself |
| 11:19:04 | w1ll14m | the encryption key is stored in the cpu i believe |
| 11:19:26 | B4gder | the decryption key even |
| 11:19:31 | lol3izer_ | w1ll14m, no it dosent |
| 11:19:39 | lol3izer_ | how is there a port in progress then? |
| 11:19:53 | GodEater | lol3izer_: yes it does |
| 11:19:54 | scorche | lol3izer_: there isnt really one.. |
| 11:19:55 | havien | so its a identical key on every cpu? |
| 11:20:18 | B4gder | yes |
| 11:20:33 | B4gder | presumably |
| 11:20:40 | lol3izer_ | it can probly be updated |
| 11:20:50 | B4gder | not that the cpu has to have the same, but the firmwares would be tricky to make for different keys |
| 11:21:04 | B4gder | lol3izer_: these things tend to burn fuses on production |
| 11:21:05 | GodEater | the difference between the 2G Nano and later models is that Apple didn't hide the firmware on the iPod away, you can still get to it, even if it's encrypted. |
| 11:21:09 | B4gder | ie non-changeable |
| 11:21:09 | w1ll14m | linux4nano is a project aiming on cracking the key... but they haven't made much progress |
| 11:21:18 | havien | can the same file be used on multipul ipods? |
| 11:21:51 | GodEater | havien: of course, how else would apple issue firmware upgrades ? |
| 11:22:42 | havien | sorry thinking along a different line of thought |
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| 11:23:26 | lol3izer_ | i think the key will be like it was on the psp |
| 11:23:31 | lol3izer_ | finding an exploit in the firmware |
| 11:23:50 | scorche | lol3izer_: go for it ;) |
| 11:24:16 | havien | well thinking that the key could be removed from a cpu by any means necessary |
| 11:24:31 | w1ll14m | lol3izer: the ipod would have been hacked if that was true |
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| 11:24:58 | lol3izer_ | w1ll14m, dont be daft |
| 11:25:14 | lol3izer_ | so you are saying the firmware is 100% foolproof |
| 11:25:17 | lol3izer_ | and because it hasnt happened yet |
| 11:25:19 | lol3izer_ | it cant happen? |
| 11:25:20 | havien | any ideas on exactly what chip it is? |
| 11:25:47 | scorche | is this going to get productive any time soon? |
| 11:25:48 | w1ll14m | linux4nano thinks the key is stored in the SST39WF800A chip |
| 11:25:59 | w1ll14m | the bootloader rom should be located there |
| 11:26:13 | w1ll14m | but if it contains the decryption code |
| 11:26:19 | w1ll14m | no one knows |
| 11:26:30 | lol3izer_ | well somone does ;) |
| 11:26:44 | GodEater | no-one that's not bound by an NDA |
| 11:27:10 | w1ll14m | lol |
| 11:27:18 | linuxstb | w1ll14m: I would expect the decryption to be in a small ROM embedded in the CPU. I think linux4nano have dumped the contents of that chip, and it's encrypted. |
| 11:27:43 | havien | grrr i hate BGA chips |
| 11:28:00 | lol3izer_ | gonna take a whole lot of logic probinh |
| 11:28:42 | w1ll14m | linuxstb, that's what i'm thinking too |
| 11:28:57 | w1ll14m | because the still haven't extracted the key, because the contents of the rom are also encrypted |
| 11:29:26 | linuxstb | No, the ROM can't be encrypted - at some point, there needs to be actual ARM code for the CPU to run... |
| 11:29:43 | linuxstb | But the ROM is simply not accessible... |
| 11:31:06 | w1ll14m | i would say, a miniature bootloader in cpu, loads and decrypts bootloader to ram, bootloader ram loads and decrypts firmware |
| 11:31:08 | w1ll14m | but i'm simply guessing |
| 11:32:04 | lol3izer_ | is the ram itself encrypted? |
| 11:32:17 | GodEater | I doubt it |
| 11:32:26 | GodEater | but how would you find out ? |
| 11:32:43 | lol3izer_ | probe the ram |
| 11:32:50 | DerPapst | crystalball |
| 11:33:04 | GodEater | lol3izer_: with what ? |
| 11:33:10 | lol3izer_ | idk :( |
| 11:33:31 | B4gder | why would it have encrypted ram anyway? |
| 11:33:38 | lol3izer_ | but its fun, a system like that is comming to a computer near you |
| 11:33:58 | lol3izer_ | intel has been designing cpus that can execute encrypted instructions |
| 11:34:16 | B4gder | yes it is theoretically possible to much such cpus |
| 11:34:30 | B4gder | but that doesn't answer "why" in the ipod case |
| 11:34:36 | lol3izer_ | yea not much sense there |
| 11:34:41 | w1ll14m | firmware encryption should just die |
| 11:34:49 | havien | you could probe the ram with a logic analizer and log the output on the r/w bus |
| 11:35:09 | B4gder | go ahead |
| 11:35:29 | w1ll14m | we'll be monitoring from here :) |
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| 11:38:21 | havien | lol3izer_ about your intel cpus that run encrypted code... it would seem to be easy to figure unless the key could be changed in the cpu |
| 11:38:39 | lol3izer_ | its loaded on runtime |
| 11:38:56 | havien | how is that more secure? |
| 11:40:08 | havien | since you could pull it inroute... or you could just pull it from the any of the rom's |
| 11:40:42 | lol3izer_ | not entirely sure |
| 11:40:54 | lol3izer_ | its all part of the whole "trusted computing" thing |
| 11:40:55 | havien | although you do pose a very interesing compsec idea |
| 11:41:04 | gevaerts | vitja: how would that work |
| 11:41:06 | gevaerts | ? |
| 11:41:10 | lol3izer_ | or whatever the hell the are calling it now |
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| 11:43:34 | vitja | gevaerts: hmm data written to ep descriptor should reflect actual HW configuration |
| 11:43:47 | lol3izer_ | havien, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Execution_Technology |
| 11:44:14 | havien | lol intel (TXT) |
| 11:44:35 | mcuelenaere | here2code: around? |
| 11:44:55 | * | DerPapst shoves havien and lol3izer_ over to -community |
| 11:45:16 | vitja | gevaerts: can one device use two configurations at same time? |
| 11:45:52 | gevaerts | Only one configuration, but you can have multiple interfaces, i.e. you can do e.g. mass storage and serial at the same time |
| 11:46:36 | gevaerts | That actually works with the current usb stack on gigabeat and portalplayer |
| 11:47:00 | vitja | gevaerts: okay for example I need input to be set to 1 and output to 2 |
| 11:47:14 | vitja | so why not hardcode endpoint numbers? |
| 11:47:24 | havien | sorry DerPapst but lol3izer_ that entier article is all about software based security nothing in it refers specificaly to hardware security |
| 11:47:42 | vitja | btw, I found some bugs in serial circular buffer and implemented receiveing |
| 11:48:53 | gevaerts | The problem is that the current stack assumes endpoint pairs to share a number. Hardcoding would solve that, but at the cost of making future extensions harder (i.e. selectable mass storage or audio) |
| 11:49:14 | gevaerts | I'll work on solving that properly that tonight |
| 11:49:37 | vitja | gevaerts: okay thanks |
| 11:49:59 | DerPapst | havien: just type /join #rockbox-community and i stop comlaining ;) |
| 11:50:03 | vitja | gevaerts: why should it be a problem "selectable mass storage or audio"? |
| 11:50:11 | DerPapst | *complaining even |
| 11:52:34 | gevaerts | vitja: different device classes ("protocols") need different numbers of endpoints, so if you hardcode endpoint numbers combining device classes gets hard (i.e. you may want serial+mtp, or mtp+audio, or serial+audio. The hardware may not have enough endpoints to assign uique ones to everything) |
| 11:52:48 | havien | ok DerPapst you talked me into it |
| 11:53:33 | gevaerts | vitja: of course maybe I'm overengineering things. I'll think about this a bit more |
| 11:54:26 | vitja | gevaerts: not all hardware support bidirectional endpoints so there should be at least on for recv and one for send |
| 11:55:16 | gevaerts | Yes. That assumption is the real bug right now |
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| 12:13:55 | w1ll14m | B4gder, is there a place where i could find the 'old' libdumb ? |
| 12:14:26 | w1ll14m | i'd like to take a look at the math they had there |
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| 12:30:32 | chr12 | I'm looking to get a new mp3 soon, and I'd like to get one that works well with rockbox. What model would you guys recommend? |
| 12:31:22 | voltagex | chr12: depends, New new, or new second hand? |
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| 12:31:31 | chr12 | New new? |
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| 12:31:38 | chr12 | Well, probably refurbished. I'm a big believer of ebay. |
| 12:32:11 | voltagex | chr12: sansa c200, version one, and h340 I both have good experience with |
| 12:32:12 | * | Nico_P can't get a download |
| 12:32:27 | voltagex | but I'll leave it to others to recommend better than I can |
| 12:33:59 | chr12 | voltagex: Is the screen large enough for typical use? The iPods seem to have a fair bit more screen space. |
| 12:34:17 | GodEater | chr12: www.rockbox.org/wiki/BuyersGuide |
| 12:34:23 | voltagex | GodEater: thanks... |
| 12:34:49 | chr12 | Thanks GodEater |
| 12:34:52 | GodEater | np |
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| 12:40:28 | * | Nico_P would've preferred the 3.0 version string to be simply "3.0" |
| 12:40:45 | voltagex | Nico_P: it's only a version string. |
| 12:40:47 | orly_owl | woooooo 3.0! |
| 12:45:59 | havien | can't wiat for 3.11 |
| 12:46:11 | havien | was the best ver before they screwed it all up |
| 12:47:51 | GodEater | best version of what ? |
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| 12:49:56 | DerPapst | windows |
| 12:49:58 | DerPapst | ^^ |
| 12:50:16 | lol3izer_ | im waiting for 3.11 rockbox for workgroups |
| 12:53:45 | * | massiveH waits for rockbox nt |
| 12:57:01 | havien | 4.0? |
| 12:57:05 | havien | or 3.5? |
| 12:58:10 | GodEater | expect Rockbox NT shortly after GNU ships a stable Hurd |
| 12:58:55 | * | orly_owl holds his breath. |
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| 13:14:39 | roberth | is there any port for ipod classic under way? |
| 13:14:44 | B4gder | no |
| 13:14:53 | roberth | :( |
| 13:15:42 | orly_owl | we dont take kindly to ipods around here |
| 13:16:04 | B4gder | "dear mr Jobs, I'm sending my Ipod Classic back for a refund since the dues in Rockbox have no version for it and you make it very hard for us" |
| 13:16:19 | B4gder | there, print it out and send it away! ;-) |
| 13:16:29 | B4gder | even though I can't spell |
| 13:16:38 | roberth | i dont own one, but i want to buy, but i use flac mainly so i can play my music on it |
| 13:17:19 | massiveH | rockbox works great on my iriver h340 |
| 13:17:27 | roberth | orly |
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| 13:18:32 | shim`work | Hi guys - do you plan on making rockbox available for iPod nano g2? |
| 13:19:41 | B4gder | no |
| 13:19:57 | B4gder | 1) we don't "plan" ports, they're just made by the people who wants to |
| 13:20:05 | orly_owl | ive lost track of all the ipod models. mainly because i dont care |
| 13:20:05 | B4gder | 2) the nano 2nd gen is a hard nut to crack |
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| 13:41:21 | pip | :O rockbox is real |
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| 13:41:51 | GodEater | pip: you thought it wasn't ? |
| 13:41:58 | pip | dibmonkey, what does dib mean ? |
| 13:42:01 | orly_owl | it's fake |
| 13:42:12 | massiveH | pip, did you think it was a large joke project or something? |
| 13:42:13 | orly_owl | all it does is say 'hello world' on your dap |
| 13:42:19 | GodEater | dib? Where did you read it ? |
| 13:42:24 | GodEater | orly_owl: stop that please |
| 13:42:33 | orly_owl | Fair enough. |
| 13:42:33 | * | pip thinks he got laughed at |
| 13:42:45 | dibmonkey | pip: it's just a silly reference to Invader Zim |
| 13:42:57 | pip | Thanks |
| 13:43:20 | B4gder | wham |
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| 13:43:43 | SeeSchloss | hmm... any news regarding newer iPod nanos ? |
| 13:43:50 | Nico_P | http://mobile.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/09/26/023243 :) |
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| 13:44:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | SeeSchloss: No port, no information, no timeframe. |
| 13:44:22 | B4gder | yes, atm basically all visitors come from slashdot |
| 13:44:27 | SeeSchloss | LambdaCalculus37: okay okay |
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| 13:45:51 | * | GodEater imagines www.rockbox.org slowly melting into a tin puddle on the floor of the haxx server room |
| 13:46:04 | pip | what does rockbox look like ? |
| 13:46:11 | GodEater | I wonder how much BW you need to survive a /.ing |
| 13:46:21 | GodEater | pip: pretty much whatever you want |
| 13:46:24 | GodEater | it's fully customisable |
| 13:46:32 | orly_owl | you guys made it to boingboing |
| 13:46:43 | GodEater | the wikipedia article about it features a few screenshots iirc |
| 13:46:50 | GodEater | orly_owl: yeah, Cory is a fan |
| 13:47:33 | orly_owl | he would be. he likes this kinda stuff |
| 13:47:40 | pip | Cool : ) |
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| 13:51:06 | dibmonkey | I'm currently a bit stuck guys, been away from the rockbox project for a while and I've forgotten how things work. On my iriver h140, on bootup, it says "Vers: CVS-061217", (pretty old, eh?) and i recall flashing rockbox to ROM. I've downloaded the 3.0 release, updated .rockbox on the player (but it still says 061217 on bootup), and downloaded newer bootloader_h120_7pre4 and moved it to .rockbox. However, when I try to upgrade the |
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| 13:52:31 | GodEater | dibmonkey: that clipped off at "When I try to upgrade the" |
| 13:52:45 | dibmonkey | really? heh. |
| 13:52:59 | dibmonkey | However, when I try to upgrade the new bootloader, there are no plugins in the "open with..." menu. I think this is because, in my old rockbox, the iriver_flash viewer was in /.rockbox/viewers/iriver_flash rather than /.rockbox/rocks/viwers/iriver_flash where it is now. How can I fix this? Can i just move the iriver_flash plugin to /.rockbox/viewers and see if that works? |
| 13:53:14 | dibmonkey | to the newer bootloader* |
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| 13:54:30 | GodEater | dibmonkey: does your current bootloader allow you to still load rockbox from disk ? |
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| 13:55:01 | GodEater | because simply moving things around won't help you if you're still loading from rom |
| 13:55:18 | GodEater | the new version of the iriver_flash plugin won't work with the rockbox you have stored there |
| 13:55:27 | dibmonkey | It's definitely flashed to ROM. |
| 13:55:32 | dibmonkey | ah okay |
| 13:55:44 | GodEater | I'm sure it is |
| 13:55:49 | dibmonkey | i'll restore the old /.rockbox/viewers from my recycle bin then |
| 13:56:10 | dibmonkey | then i have the old iriver_flash back in the old location |
| 13:56:12 | GodEater | so your bootloader doesn't support running from disk? |
| 13:56:17 | GodEater | do you know which version of the bootloader it is ? |
| 13:56:47 | dibmonkey | no idea |
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| 13:56:57 | dibmonkey | but its probably from around december 2006 |
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| 13:57:38 | dibmonkey | i dont think it supports running from disk, otherwise when i deleted my old .rockbox and replaced it with the new 3.0 .rockbox, it would say "3.0 release" on bootup rather than CVS-061217? |
| 13:57:42 | GodEater | it might tell you if you try turning on while hold is switched on |
| 13:57:55 | GodEater | dibmonkey: not if it defaults to running from ROM |
| 13:58:03 | GodEater | it'll still be loading the one you flashed there |
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| 13:58:18 | GodEater | but the bootloader should present a menu asking you which version you'd like to boot |
| 13:58:37 | salty-horse | hi. missing period in "multitude of codecs[.] See" −− http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ReleaseNotes30#What_s_new |
| 13:59:24 | dibmonkey | hehe, when i turn on with the hold button, it just says hold button is on - switching off |
| 13:59:32 | dibmonkey | theres a bootloader version there too, lemme see if i can get it |
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| 13:59:56 | GodEater | dibmonkey: if you take a look in the H140 manual, it'll probably tell you which button to push to get the menu up so you can choose which version to boot |
| 13:59:57 | dibmonkey | bootloader version 060811-2251 |
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| 14:00:22 | GodEater | I don't even remember if that's an official one :( |
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| 14:00:49 | dibmonkey | it probably is |
| 14:01:34 | dibmonkey | i think i should just upgrade to the new bootloader with the old iriver_flash restored to where i deleted it from :P |
| 14:01:54 | dibmonkey | i'd be alright if i obeyed commands to unzip to root, rather than unzip to harddrive and see what's new ;p |
| 14:01:59 | * | GodEater thinks dibmonkey is braver than he is |
| 14:02:12 | dibmonkey | =) |
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| 14:03:48 | dibmonkey | well |
| 14:03:52 | dibmonkey | you've scared me now :P |
| 14:04:13 | dibmonkey | i'd be fine as long as the old iriver_flash can upgrade my very old bootloader to the new one |
| 14:04:36 | dibmonkey | or should i try putting the new iriver_flash in the old location for viewers, and using that one to upgrade to the new bootloader? |
| 14:04:53 | dibmonkey | "H120/H140 bootloader, version 7-pre4 (Install the latest current build before flashing the new bootloader). " is from http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverFlashing |
| 14:05:09 | dibmonkey | does that imply i should use the new iriver_flash to upgrade? |
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| 14:08:58 | dibmonkey | so i just have the choice, whether to use the new iriver_flash or the old one |
| 14:09:00 | dibmonkey | flip a coin? ;) |
| 14:09:20 | GodEater | the newer iriver_flash will NOT run the with your older build of Rockbox |
| 14:09:32 | GodEater | they are incompatible |
| 14:09:46 | dibmonkey | cool |
| 14:09:46 | GodEater | you have no choice, you'll have to use the old one |
| 14:09:54 | dibmonkey | okay dokey |
| 14:10:05 | GodEater | or the old firmware |
| 14:10:07 | GodEater | if you still have it |
| 14:10:47 | preglow | site struggling? |
| 14:11:03 | GodEater | /. effect |
| 14:11:21 | preglow | oh, we've been slashdotted |
| 14:11:36 | preglow | i think it's holding up quite nice then :P |
| 14:11:44 | GodEater | yep |
| 14:11:55 | GodEater | Bagder isn't actually on fire yet |
| 14:11:57 | GodEater | so we're doing ok |
| 14:12:08 | preglow | hope people don't smoke near him |
| 14:12:09 | dibmonkey | should i delete the new rocks/viewers folder before upgrading bootloader? |
| 14:12:16 | preglow | someone should put up a sign |
| 14:12:28 | dibmonkey | just want to make sure it doesnt try using the new iriver_flash |
| 14:12:37 | dibmonkey | or will it just say "incompatible" |
| 14:12:44 | dibmonkey | rather than bricking it |
| 14:13:13 | GodEater | dibmonkey: it will just refuse to run, so you don't need to |
| 14:13:30 | dibmonkey | yay |
| 14:13:38 | * | GodEater goes to lunch |
| 14:14:32 | dibmonkey | uh oh |
| 14:14:39 | dibmonkey | it said incompatible bootloader |
| 14:15:36 | dibmonkey | player's still fine |
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| 14:16:02 | dibmonkey | but it doesnt seem like i can use my old iriver_flash plugin to update to the new bootloader either :P |
| 14:17:20 | dibmonkey | should i try finding a less recent bootloader that my old iriver_flash can still upgrade to, and then using the new iriver_flash to upgrade that one to the latest? |
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| 14:25:48 | dibmonkey | now trying vers 7 pre 3, instead of vers 7 pre 4 |
| 14:25:57 | dibmonkey | nope |
| 14:26:03 | dibmonkey | Incompatible/untested bootloader |
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| 14:34:28 | dibmonkey | so what should i try now? are there any less recent bootloaders about that i could upgrade to as a middle stage? |
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| 14:34:40 | dibmonkey | or is it easier just to uninstall and install the new one |
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| 14:49:28 | GodEater | dibmonkey: Slasheri is the real expert here |
| 14:53:51 | dibmonkey | hm. |
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| 14:55:10 | GodEater | dibmonkey: I assume you have no access to the original firmware either ? |
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| 14:55:43 | dibmonkey | the iriver firmware? nope, its been flashed over |
| 14:56:28 | XavierGr | dibmonkey: sorry, what's your problem again? (just logged on and I can't read the logs) |
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| 14:56:55 | GodEater | cursed slashdot! |
| 14:57:02 | XavierGr | indeed :P |
| 14:57:12 | GodEater | XavierGr: he's running some ancient bootloader on his iriver which has a flashed rockbox image |
| 14:57:22 | dibmonkey | i have a very old bootloader on my iriver h140, 060811-2251, and want to upgrade to bootloader_h120_7pre4 |
| 14:57:29 | iSparrow | So does Rockbox 3.0 solve the video-out issue for the iPod?:) |
| 14:57:36 | GodEater | he's trying to upgrade to a later bootloader, but can't - because the iriver_flash plugin won't let him |
| 14:57:38 | dibmonkey | but my old iriver_flash cant upgrade it |
| 14:57:41 | dibmonkey | :p |
| 14:57:50 | GodEater | iSparrow: 3.0 brings no features that weren't already in SVN |
| 14:57:51 | XavierGr | dibmonkey: I think there is a way to restore the OF |
| 14:58:31 | dibmonkey | yeah, but isnt there a direct way to upgrade it? |
| 14:58:39 | XavierGr | dibmonkey: then you can flash the OF again with rockbox and then completely remove the OF with the new bootloader |
| 14:59:01 | XavierGr | dibmonkey: I am not sure if you can do this on an old bootloader (direct upgrade) |
| 14:59:09 | XavierGr | dibmonkey: to be sure you have to ask Slasheri |
| 14:59:34 | XavierGr | dibmonkey: also about restoring the OF you should carefully read the wiki, which is down at the moment |
| 14:59:51 | iSparrow | GodEater: Thanks. |
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| 15:00:26 | dibmonkey | " If you want to restore the original firmware, you can do so by using a file from either one of these methods: |
| 15:00:26 | dibmonkey | Convert an original firmware provided by iRiver from ihp_120.hex to ihp_120.bin |
| 15:00:26 | dibmonkey | Use an existing flash rom backup image file To restore the flash contents of the firmware section (bootloader will be always kept untouched, however we need to re-flash the critical reset vector sector), open the file from either one of the previously mentioned methods by iriver_flash and the contents of the original firmware section will be restored from the file. " |
| 15:00:34 | dibmonkey | is what it says on the wiki page for iriverflashing |
| 15:01:11 | dibmonkey | method #2 sounds complicated :p |
| 15:01:21 | dibmonkey | so yeah, i'll just do #1 |
| 15:01:55 | XavierGr | dibmonkey: by convert it doesn't mean rename (just letting you know) |
| 15:02:17 | dibmonkey | hehe, lucky im not that silly =) |
| 15:02:39 | XavierGr | dibmonkey: does your bootloader have the boot menu with the hold switch? |
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| 15:02:47 | dibmonkey | nope |
| 15:03:01 | dibmonkey | just says bootloader version and turns off |
| 15:03:08 | XavierGr | so you can't start rockbox from disk? |
| 15:03:18 | GodEater | XavierGr: I did this conversation already :) |
| 15:03:26 | XavierGr | GodEater: sorry.... |
| 15:03:59 | XavierGr | I wish I could read the logs at times like these |
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| 15:04:56 | Slasheri | dibmonkey: hi, you have to start latest build of rockbox from disk and then using the latest iriver_flash plugin to flash the latest bootloader |
| 15:05:34 | Slasheri | that should do it, no matter what bootloader you currently have installed on it |
| 15:05:36 | XavierGr | wasn't there a buttong to press on boot to start rockbox from disk (before the bootmenu) |
| 15:05:54 | dibmonkey | ahh i think you might be right XavierGr |
| 15:05:59 | Slasheri | yes, the rec button |
| 15:06:07 | dibmonkey | aha! |
| 15:06:11 | Slasheri | on the very old version of the flashing capable boot loader |
| 15:06:16 | Slasheri | current bootloaders have a boot menu |
| 15:06:19 | XavierGr | ah then as slasheri suggested you need to start from disk |
| 15:06:22 | GodEater | and he really DOES have an old one ;) |
| 15:06:29 | XavierGr | because if you don't you run an old verion of iriver_flash |
| 15:06:47 | XavierGr | (which lies in your flash now) |
| 15:06:57 | * | GodEater assumes dibmonkey hasn't removed the version of rockbox he's just unzipped to his iriver |
| 15:07:16 | Slasheri | XavierGr: in fact an old version of rockbox which have incompatible plugin api to the current iriver_flash plugin |
| 15:07:54 | XavierGr | ah yes, my mistake |
| 15:08:16 | XavierGr | only the firmware goes to flash right? |
| 15:08:22 | Slasheri | indeed |
| 15:09:31 | Slasheri | (need to leave from work now, back later again) |
| 15:09:38 | GodEater | byee! |
| 15:09:47 | XavierGr | dibmonkey: also every time you need to update a build (and want to start from ram) you have to start from disk (via the bootmenu which gets enabled with hold) and then run iriver_flash with rockbox.iriver for ram and rombox.iriver for rom) |
| 15:10:51 | XavierGr | obviously the rombox.iriver must be opened with iriver_flash if you want to boot from rom |
| 15:10:52 | XavierGr | I hope I didn't confuse you more |
| 15:11:03 | GodEater | clear as mud XavierGr :) |
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| 15:13:38 | XavierGr | Is there a plan to update the official bootloaders for iriver coldfire targets (H300 & H100)? |
| 15:14:00 | XavierGr | If I am not mistaken the last official H100 bootloader still doesn't have the flash capability |
| 15:15:07 | dibmonkey | icons? on my rockbox?! |
| 15:15:10 | dibmonkey | :P |
| 15:15:12 | XavierGr | and H300 needs enabling of the RTC alarm function and/or car adapter mode (that means having to press a button to select bootloader charging/usb) |
| 15:15:39 | dibmonkey | works great guys, i upgraded the bootloader and flashed to ROM |
| 15:16:03 | dibmonkey | the flashing to RAM option is certainly new to me |
| 15:16:05 | XavierGr | dibmonkey: remember to see the bootmenu and select your default botting method |
| 15:16:29 | dibmonkey | yeah i set default as ROM |
| 15:16:37 | dibmonkey | what's the point of flashing to RAM as well? |
| 15:16:46 | bertrik | hmm, was it really necessary to create yet another sansa page (SanDiskSansa) and mostly empty too? |
| 15:17:25 | XavierGr | dibmonkey: well rom means that it runs the firmware from rom (without copying to ram first). Also it can have slower execution |
| 15:18:18 | XavierGr | dibmonkey: the ram option does this: copy the firmware from rom to ram and execture from ram. While faster than rom you loose a little bit ram (e.g audio buffer) |
| 15:18:51 | XavierGr | my preference is ram because H120 has 32MB ram and rockbox firmware is too small to be significant on the ram |
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| 15:19:23 | dibmonkey | so shouldnt see a much of a reduced battery life from reduced audio buffer? |
| 15:19:44 | XavierGr | how many kilobytes is your rockbox.iriver? |
| 15:20:04 | XavierGr | do the math and you will see it is a very very small gain |
| 15:20:42 | XavierGr | the rom option was very handy for low memory targets like the archos. These targets have only 2MB ram, so every little bit helps a lot |
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| 15:23:06 | dibmonkey | my rockbox.iriver from 2006/12/17 is 350KB, 3.0 one is 388KB |
| 15:23:13 | dibmonkey | glad to see it hasnt got bloated :P |
| 15:23:31 | funman | is that the firmware without plugins ? |
| 15:23:43 | funman | i.e. with no decoders? |
| 15:24:08 | dibmonkey | and just to check, i can delete my old bootloader.iriver and rockbox.iriver from root now, yeah? |
| 15:24:35 | XavierGr | dibmonkey: if you have database enabled on ram you should know that it has much larger cost in ram than the firmware :P |
| 15:24:38 | XavierGr | dibmonkey: yes |
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| 15:24:48 | dibmonkey | interestingly the new bootloader is 13KB smaller than the old one |
| 15:26:41 | LinusN | they shrunk just recently |
| 15:26:46 | XavierGr | dibmonkey: also (IIRC) the same applies for dircache (which lies in ram) it costs more ram than the firmware |
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| 15:27:36 | dibmonkey | hehe, i have some catching up to do |
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| 15:28:02 | dibmonkey | when i was last around, the bug with h300 series having much lower battery life had only recently been fixed |
| 15:28:21 | dibmonkey | something to do with the USB-OTG checking not being disabled |
| 15:29:16 | XavierGr | yeah you remember right |
| 15:29:23 | XavierGr | but that was ages ago :P |
| 15:30:02 | XavierGr | if only we could flash the H300 just like H100... |
| 15:30:33 | XavierGr | and if I am not mistaken on H300 both firmwares (OF and rockbox) can fit in rom |
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| 15:30:54 | dibmonkey | yeah i have an h340 too |
| 15:31:13 | dibmonkey | why isn't it flashable yet? is there a big difference between it and a h100 flashing process? |
| 15:31:19 | dibmonkey | or is it just that nobody's coded it |
| 15:31:44 | XavierGr | the second, nobody did it, also it is dangerous so limited number of people can code it |
| 15:32:16 | dibmonkey | understandable, nobody wants to brick their beautiful iriveres |
| 15:32:19 | dibmonkey | irivers* |
| 15:32:36 | XavierGr | only Slasheri was brave enough to code and flash his H100 without proper equipment to restore it if something went wrong, or should I say "Flasheri" :P (those were the days :) |
| 15:33:32 | dibmonkey | haha, brave |
| 15:34:33 | LinusN | i really wish i had the time to work on that stuff |
| 15:34:51 | funman | I find weird error codes in sansav2 OF: -3577 |
| 15:35:02 | funman | a bit too big in my opinion |
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| 15:35:38 | LinusN | funman: you mean you wonder what the other 3576 errors are? :-) |
| 15:36:13 | funman | not really, I found like maximum 10 different codes |
| 15:36:24 | funman | maybe because I'm always looking in the same places ;) |
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| 15:45:42 | webguest65 | does anyone have the link for the rockbox utility? |
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| 15:59:18 | dibmonkey | hmm, one area of my h140 screen is slightly lighty than the rest of the screen, maybe i left it in a place that gets some sun :/ |
| 15:59:31 | dibmonkey | lighter* |
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| 16:18:38 | Shoopuf | How do I know if RockBox will work on my iPod? I don't know what generation it is. |
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| 16:21:35 | funman | http://paste.ubuntu.com/50887/ all the negative numbers <= 2^12 in the sansa clip of |
| 16:22:19 | funman | a bit scattered |
| 16:22:48 | Shoopuf | I think mine is a Nano 2nd Generation, is that compatible with rockbox? |
| 16:23:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | Shoopuf: No. But double check the model here: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1353 |
| 16:23:10 | BigBambi | Shoopuf. The very first hit on google for "Which ipod do I have" is http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1353 |
| 16:23:27 | domonoky | Shoopuf: either check apples website, to identify your ipod, or try autodetection with rbutil. if it doesnt find your ipod, its probably a unsupported one :-) |
| 16:23:53 | Shoopuf | ok it's definitely ipod nano 2nd generation |
| 16:24:21 | BigBambi | bad luck :( |
| 16:24:37 | Shoopuf | oh well :P thanks anyway |
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| 16:25:36 | funman | oh there is a 4th generation of nano |
| 16:25:47 | BigBambi | indeed there is |
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| 16:29:28 | funky | 'lo |
| 16:29:35 | funman | I assume the firmware is encrypted as well |
| 16:29:41 | funky | slashdotted! |
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| 16:31:00 | funky | does the power management have been improved since 2.5 ? |
| 16:31:44 | funky | I quit using rockbox because the duration of the battery, twice using the original firmware |
| 16:32:11 | BigBambi | On an archos? |
| 16:32:46 | funky | ipod |
| 16:32:50 | funky | video |
| 16:32:56 | BigBambi | 2.5 was never released for ipod |
| 16:33:06 | domonoky | can someone with a mac test this new rbutil mac version ? http://jdgordon.info:8080/~domonoky/rbutilqt-v1.0.7.dmg |
| 16:33:06 | BigBambi | It was archos only, and 3 years ago |
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| 16:33:36 | BigBambi | funky: When did you last try? |
| 16:33:40 | funky | I don't remember what version I used, I've read that the previous one was 2.5, so I thought that was mine |
| 16:33:53 | funky | BigBambi: mmmmm, I'd say more than 1 year ago |
| 16:33:55 | funky | maybe 2 |
| 16:33:59 | domonoky | 2.5 was archos only, but runtime for ipods has increased, its now nearly like the original (on some even better) .. |
| 16:34:03 | BigBambi | Battery is much better since then |
| 16:34:14 | funky | ok, then I'll install it again, thanks |
| 16:34:16 | BigBambi | It beats the.. what domonoky said |
| 16:34:32 | funky | nice |
| 16:35:21 | funky | domonoky: do you know which ones are those that battery works even bettern than using the original firm? |
| 16:35:50 | funky | the site is sooo slow |
| 16:35:55 | funky | I can't read it by myself |
| 16:36:16 | funky | Very stable. Battery life has been improved, but there is still room for improvement. |
| 16:36:19 | BigBambi | On all players except some ipods - the 1st-3rd gen are definatley better than OF, not sure about the others |
| 16:36:20 | ebil | Does anyone know whether or not rockbox will work with my ipod enabled Pioneer head unit in my car? (it is direct USB input, it doesn't go through an 'adapter box' |
| 16:36:20 | * | domonoky doesnt know which one, and the site is slow, because of too much visitors :-) |
| 16:36:58 | BigBambi | ebil: It might do, if not there is a patch that might help |
| 16:37:04 | funky | "there is still room for improvement" |
| 16:37:11 | ebil | BigBambi, awesome. |
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| 16:37:19 | BigBambi | funky: yes, you have already said that once |
| 16:37:26 | ebil | BigBambi, does it use the itunes db format? or a differing one? |
| 16:37:30 | funky | BigBambi: :P |
| 16:37:30 | BigBambi | And I don't know what you are trying to say |
| 16:37:47 | BigBambi | ebil: No, our own |
| 16:37:48 | GodEater | ebil: Rockbox doesn't use any part of itunes |
| 16:37:51 | BigBambi | ebil: Rockbox runs on many many players other than ipods |
| 16:38:02 | funky | nah, I was just emphasizing that I found what I was looking for |
| 16:38:06 | BigBambi | ebil: And you don't have to use the database |
| 16:38:14 | BigBambi | funky depends where and when |
| 16:38:28 | BigBambi | funky: If it is on some random site I highly doubt the accuracy |
| 16:38:34 | ebil | BigBambi, oh, cool. I'll give it a shot anyhow (just as soon as my car+radio gets back from the shop :)) |
| 16:38:49 | BigBambi | ebil: You know Rockbox can dual-boot right? |
| 16:39:29 | GodEater | ebil: and that it can build it's own database based on the music that itunes has loaded onto your ipod ? |
| 16:39:29 | ebil | BigBambi, Hmmm. that's interesting. and it keeps the same "firmware partition + music partition" format? if so, awesome |
| 16:39:41 | GodEater | ebil: yes, it doesn't damage the disk layout |
| 16:39:41 | ebil | GodEater, ok, I'm trying it out then! |
| 16:39:55 | BigBambi | funky: On the video I think that whilst close now, the OF runtime is still a little better. However, on most players Rockbox runs on, Rockbox battery life is much better |
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| 16:40:27 | GodEater | we also do not recommend using Rockbox for watching videos on the ipod video - the OF is still much better for that (ironic isn't it?) |
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| 16:40:46 | BigBambi | Damn apple and their obsession with control |
| 16:41:17 | BigBambi | (and all the other companies that refuse to give out documentation) |
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| 16:43:51 | funman | and Sandisk which uses weird chips ;) |
| 16:44:57 | LambdaCalculus37 | funman: Well, nowadays... ;) |
| 16:45:09 | LambdaCalculus37 | It wasn't so bad when the Sansa lines had PP and TCC chips. |
| 16:45:46 | GodEater | dammit |
| 16:45:57 | GodEater | when did /. introduce a time delay between comment submissions ?1?!?! |
| 16:45:59 | GodEater | oen |
| 16:46:08 | funky | ok, thank you for the info guys |
| 16:46:17 | funky | I'll try it out tonight |
| 16:46:31 | lol3izer_ | godEater: its always been there |
| 16:46:36 | lol3izer_ | your comment wont show up immediately |
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| 16:47:02 | GodEater | lol3izer_: no it bloody hasn't always been there |
| 16:47:08 | lol3izer_ | yes it has |
| 16:47:21 | lol3izer_ | i remeber it going years back |
| 16:47:27 | lol3izer_ | sometimes its longer, sometimes it isnt |
| 16:47:28 | GodEater | look mush, I've been using /. since 1997, and it has NOT always been there |
| 16:47:37 | lol3izer_ | bah humbug |
| 16:47:52 | BigBambi | Perhaps you too could argue about this in -community? |
| 16:48:31 | domonoky | is someone with access to the download servers here ? ( http://jdgordon.info:8080/~domonoky/rbutilqt-v1.0.7.dmg should be moved to our download severs, please !! :-) ) |
| 16:48:50 | BigBambi | s/too/two |
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| 16:49:09 | GodEater | BigBambi: and you can shove it too :P |
| 16:50:40 | funman | LambdaCalculus37: because these are well documented? |
| 16:50:54 | funman | or well reverse engineered maybe |
| 16:51:32 | BigBambi | funman: certainly not well documented |
| 16:52:05 | funman | has rockbox received threats from hardware companies ? |
| 16:52:23 | LambdaCalculus37 | funman: SanDisk sent a dev board to Bagder. |
| 16:52:24 | funman | for having reverse engineered / published source code and or articles which reveals hardware details |
| 16:52:30 | funman | yep I read that |
| 16:52:35 | BigBambi | Reverse engineering is perfectly legal |
| 16:52:47 | funman | Apple gave a $8000 worth server to videolan |
| 16:53:18 | funman | after threatening them for cracking some itunes drm |
| 16:53:54 | BigBambi | US laws of that sort of thing don't apply outside the US |
| 16:54:05 | BigBambi | and given Rockbox is hosted etc. in Sweden |
| 16:54:12 | funman | you refer to dmca ? |
| 16:54:47 | BigBambi | mainly |
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| 16:55:12 | funman | I did not check if I had to accept a licence when buying my clip |
| 16:55:34 | funman | I know that some software licences specifically forbids reverse engineering but i'm not sure if this provision is legal anyway .. |
| 16:55:37 | BigBambi | Things like EULAs are meaningless too |
| 16:56:05 | funman | it's worth a try and make the law departement happy ;) |
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| 16:56:38 | lol3izer_ | BigBambi, it depends where you are |
| 16:57:06 | BigBambi | lol3izer_: Right, and Rockbox is in Europe, specifically Sweden |
| 16:57:16 | domonoky | licence agreements which you can not see before buying are meaningless in (parts of) europe... |
| 16:57:54 | BigBambi | It is possible that US contributors might want to check, but Rockbox as a whole and those of us in the EU, we can ignore that crap for what it is - crap |
| 16:58:11 | funman | e250 - $34 looks interesting ... |
| 16:58:50 | funman | refurbished |
| 16:59:32 | funman | does it mean sent back by the shop or the customer? |
| 16:59:55 | BigBambi | Either, then inspected and fixed by the manufacturer |
| 16:59:57 | lol3izer_ | most likely the customer |
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| 17:00:10 | lol3izer_ | i would think anyways |
| 17:00:36 | lol3izer_ | hrm, is there basicly zero chance of the ipod's video hardware being supported? |
| 17:00:37 | BigBambi | yes, I agree. However it doesn't really matter who sent it back |
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| 17:01:07 | BigBambi | lol3izer_: Unless someone spends a huge amount of time reverse engineering, or broadcom or apple release the data sheet |
| 17:01:14 | lol3izer_ | ha |
| 17:01:16 | funman | or someone steel it |
| 17:01:18 | funman | steal* |
| 17:01:33 | BigBambi | In which case we wouldn't/couldn't use it |
| 17:01:51 | lol3izer_ | well, broadcomm HAS released specs before |
| 17:02:02 | BigBambi | specs are no good |
| 17:02:06 | lol3izer_ | so, its not entirely outside the relm of possibillity |
| 17:02:09 | funman | video dsp are somehow protected |
| 17:02:11 | lol3izer_ | i mean, a data sheet |
| 17:02:12 | lol3izer_ | sorry |
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| 17:02:39 | funman | when h264 will be obsolete by years, why not |
| 17:02:57 | lol3izer_ | h264 is going to be around for a good long time |
| 17:03:27 | BigBambi | This discussion is getting rqther off-topic now |
| 17:03:29 | domonoky | someone could also buy a bulkload of this videochips, then you surely get the datasheet. (but what would you do with a 100k video chips :-) ) |
| 17:03:43 | BigBambi | A huge amount of money plus a NDA? |
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| 17:11:11 | funman | I am bored reading disassembly of sansav2 firmware :( |
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| 17:13:44 | GodEater | we support chiptune already don't we ? |
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| 17:14:55 | BigBambi | some |
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| 17:15:06 | domonoky | GodEater: jup, chiptunes normally means tracker music, and we support sid, sap and others :-) |
| 17:15:19 | lol3izer_ | MOD |
| 17:15:27 | lol3izer_ | is xm supported? |
| 17:16:06 | GodEater | not sure - I would check in the wiki |
| 17:16:08 | GodEater | but it's melted |
| 17:16:42 | LambdaCalculus37 | XM isn't supported. |
| 17:16:54 | LambdaCalculus37 | Only NSF, SPC, SID, MOD, and SAP. |
| 17:17:23 | GodEater | LambdaCalculus37: would you enlighten the chap in the feature requests section then please ? |
| 17:17:38 | lol3izer_ | its all down down down down :( |
| 17:17:48 | BigBambi | eh? |
| 17:18:10 | domonoky | its not down, just overloaded... |
| 17:18:19 | LambdaCalculus37 | GodEater: Yes, sir! :) |
| 17:18:20 | domonoky | ie. slashdotted |
| 17:18:20 | GodEater | the forums are far from overloaded |
| 17:18:26 | GodEater | they're just fine |
| 17:18:41 | domonoky | forum is fine, but the website and wiki not :-) |
| 17:18:52 | GodEater | no, they've been nuked from orbit |
| 17:19:07 | GodEater | or possibly just had harsh language used on them |
| 17:19:09 | GodEater | I forget whcih |
| 17:19:14 | GodEater | (name that film) |
| 17:21:23 | GodEater | I wonder what the www stats will look like for today |
| 17:21:34 | GodEater | I take it as a bad sign that Bagder logged out just as we hit /. |
| 17:21:43 | GodEater | I'm assuming someone at haxx started shouting at him :( |
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| 17:38:44 | orly_owl | You made /. |
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| 17:39:03 | BigBambi | we know, a developer submitted it :) |
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| 17:39:17 | orly_owl | err ok |
| 17:39:19 | orly_owl | heh |
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| 17:40:27 | domonoky | we have a pretty good news coverage, i am impressed... |
| 17:40:35 | BigBambi | Me too |
| 17:41:12 | BigBambi | orly_owl: You can also tell we made /. becuase the site has melted :) |
| 17:42:11 | orly_owl | heh yeah it's been tagged 'slashdotted' |
| 17:45:33 | ebil | woohoo! the download page came up :) |
| 17:46:03 | ebil | finally lol. slashdot be damned! |
| 17:46:35 | BigBambi | ebil: download.rockbox.org |
| 17:46:50 | BigBambi | No nice pictures to help you, but loads quicker :) |
| 17:47:12 | BigBambi | http://download.rockbox.org/release/3.0/ more specifically |
| 17:47:53 | DerPapst | that URL belongs in the topic /me thinks ;) |
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| 18:22:57 | J-23 | Hi! |
| 18:23:12 | dibmonkey | what's the difference between 08-Rockbox-Propfont and 08-Rockfont? |
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| 18:28:16 | dibmonkey | and why is rockfont 25kb larger? |
| 18:29:44 | gevaerts | dibmonkey: rockfont has more characters (so it supports more languages) |
| 18:30:06 | gevaerts | I expect that the Propfont one is proportional, while the other one is fixed width |
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| 18:34:24 | ebil | weird. I just installed the bootloader (gen1 nano) and rebooted, and it just loads the iPod 'OS' not rockbox (I have a .rockbox in /dev/sda2) |
| 18:35:54 | dibmonkey | gevaets: okay, thanks |
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| 18:36:44 | ebil | apparently it didn't take? weird... |
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| 18:53:30 | domonoky | ebil: is your hold switch enabled ? |
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| 18:54:14 | dibmonkey | errr, okay, so i was just using the disktidy facility, with all junk files set to remove |
| 18:54:21 | dibmonkey | and then when i look down again, my player says |
| 18:54:27 | dibmonkey | *PANIC* |
| 18:54:27 | dibmonkey | Stkov main |
| 18:54:36 | dibmonkey | should i be panicing? ¬_¬ |
| 18:55:09 | domonoky | dibmonkey: no panic needed :-) just reboot.. |
| 18:55:28 | ebil | domonoky, no, I tried a second time and it worked though. :) |
| 18:55:45 | domonoky | ebil: good |
| 18:56:33 | dibmonkey | i dont like it when rockbox tells me to panic :P |
| 18:57:21 | domonoky | perhaps we should change the error to: "Dont Panic!" :-) |
| 18:58:18 | dibmonkey | "WE JUST BRICKED YOUR PLAYER HAHAHAHA" |
| 18:58:21 | dibmonkey | "Just kidding!" |
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| 19:00:41 | * | LambdaCalculus37 glares at dibmonkey |
| 19:01:04 | dibmonkey | =) |
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| 19:07:01 | lol3izer_ | dibmonkey, in the computer world a panic is a kernel error |
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| 19:09:01 | lol3izer_ | in windows its a blue screen of death |
| 19:09:12 | dibmonkey | well, linux distros say 'kernel panic' |
| 19:09:14 | dibmonkey | rather than |
| 19:09:16 | dibmonkey | *PANIC* |
| 19:09:37 | LambdaCalculus37 | dibmonkey: Keep it on-topic. |
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| 19:19:31 | breiti | hi there.. i have some problem... ^^ iam using linux (gentoo) and i want install a theme font manuelly cause the site doesnt work.. so i downloadet rockblack_new.zip and extract its in roots home (rbuildqt is also startet from root) but it cant find the font... what is to do? |
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| 19:19:42 | breiti | -font... |
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| 19:22:07 | domonoky | what is a theme or a font ? :-) , but anyway, just extract the zip directly to your player, the files will go to the right place |
| 19:22:40 | breiti | to the player? |
| 19:22:44 | breiti | o.O ok i will try |
| 19:23:30 | domonoky | you probably dont see anything, because the files are in .rockbox dir which is hidden on linux (all dirs starting with a . are hidden in linux) |
| 19:23:32 | breiti | no he cant found the local theme o.O |
| 19:23:40 | breiti | yeah i know |
| 19:23:48 | breiti | i copied .rockbox to /media/ipod |
| 19:24:26 | breiti | but it just said that there it cant download the themes cause the system is broken |
| 19:24:28 | domonoky | rbutil trys to contact a theme site (which is down at moment) so you have install the theme manually, ie just extract the zip to your player, and choose the new theme in rockbox |
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| 19:24:39 | breiti | domonoky, nah |
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| 19:24:48 | breiti | domonoky, i selected full install |
| 19:24:54 | breiti | but it aborted at this theme |
| 19:25:06 | breiti | just restart iPod anyway? |
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| 19:25:43 | * | domonoky is one of the rbutil devs, so i know what it does... the theme site id down at moment. But extra themes are optional. so dont worry.. |
| 19:25:53 | breiti | ok |
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| 19:28:50 | breiti | o.O |
| 19:28:53 | breiti | rockbox is so slow o.O |
| 19:29:06 | breiti | on my ipod nano 1st gen |
| 19:29:39 | domonoky | what do you mean with slow ? |
| 19:30:03 | breiti | the wheel is really unsensible and not precise for example |
| 19:30:34 | breiti | and i cant enter any menupoint with the set button |
| 19:31:14 | domonoky | take a look at the manual, on which key does what.. rockbox is different from the original firmware |
| 19:31:59 | breiti | grml ^^ |
| 19:33:21 | bluebrother | breiti: rockbox doesn't care about how the OF maps buttons. On the Ipod it behaves somewhat differently (but much better than the OF IMO) |
| 19:35:19 | bluebrother | besides, IMO the error message from the theme site is rather clear (given you're using rbutil 1.0.7) |
| 19:36:46 | breiti | bluebrother, nah the svn one |
| 19:37:14 | domonoky | bluebrother: i prepared the mac 1.0.7 version: http://jdgordon.info:8080/~domonoky/rbutilqt-v1.0.7.dmg but it still needs to be moved to the download servers.. :-) |
| 19:37:21 | bluebrother | well, if it's current svn then it's the same. |
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| 19:37:36 | bluebrother | domonoky: I'd suggest pinging Bagder ;-) |
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| 19:38:35 | * | domonoky already did, but he has a AUTO-Reply with the text "gone fishing" :-) |
| 19:39:11 | bluebrother | well, as 1.0.7 is out now I'll commit the bootloader rework soonish. Finally ... |
| 19:39:24 | bluebrother | it was rotting on my hard disk too long |
| 19:39:50 | domonoky | jup, put it in.. we can finish it up in svn.. |
| 19:40:38 | bluebrother | shouldn't be much work left −− but testing is needed :) |
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| 19:43:27 | faltrion | i have a small question, do you know of any floss project that do what you do with music abd "mp3" players, but for photos and digital photo frames? (or is this something that rockbox might be able to do in the future?) |
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| 19:45:23 | amiconn | bluebrother: Bootloader rework meaning bootloader installation in rbutil I assume? |
| 19:46:20 | bluebrother | amiconn: yep. |
| 19:46:45 | BigBambi | faltrion: Not that I know of, and that is really off topic for here. Google would be the best bet |
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| 19:51:29 | breiti | domonoky, looks quite intressting else ^^ |
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| 19:51:42 | breiti | *much* more features |
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| 19:56:25 | jerrrykuca | hey, is it possible to install rockbox without ipod os installed? just make the ipod to one big ext3 partition maybe? |
| 19:57:34 | BigBambi | nope |
| 19:57:34 | LambdaCalculus37 | No. |
| 19:57:46 | BigBambi | And furthermore Rockbox only reads fat32 (and 16) |
| 19:58:10 | gevaerts | jerrrykuca: you know that rockbox is not linux, right? |
| 19:58:57 | jerrrykuca | gevaerts: hm, yes put i thought maybe you could install rockbox on ipodlinux or something... |
| 19:59:18 | BigBambi | Rockbox is a replacememnt firmware, not an application |
| 19:59:22 | gevaerts | You can install both if you like, but they are mostly unrelated |
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| 20:01:37 | jerrrykuca | my problem is that the ipod will not recover in itunes.. (error 1418), so maybe i'm just f***ed |
| 20:08:27 | breiti | hm |
| 20:08:37 | breiti | crap i cant leave fire demo |
| 20:08:47 | breiti | and now its hanging but playback is still normal |
| 20:09:03 | breiti | hm how can i exit this demos? |
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| 20:09:13 | breiti | menu.. long menu, prev, long prev doesnt work |
| 20:09:23 | gevaerts | breiti: have a look at the manual. That should tell you |
| 20:09:39 | breiti | iam already in chapter browsing and playing |
| 20:10:10 | gevaerts | You need the plugins chapter |
| 20:10:57 | breiti | so i should print it and get it with.... if i started sth. on travel and doesnt know how to reset? :/ |
| 20:11:09 | breiti | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodnano/rockbox-buildch10.html#x13-18700010.2.5 |
| 20:11:12 | breiti | menu isnt working |
| 20:11:29 | domonoky | breiti: if all fails, you can always reset the device with menu+select i think... |
| 20:12:04 | breiti | domonoky, yes i can |
| 20:12:10 | breiti | but that shouldnt be? |
| 20:12:17 | breiti | o.O |
| 20:12:23 | amiconn | No, that's unnecessary |
| 20:12:36 | breiti | menu+set short holding was helping |
| 20:12:42 | amiconn | If you check the plugins chapter, you'll find that there is a convention |
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| 20:13:22 | amiconn | It's either just Menu, or (when the plugin needs more buttons) Menu+Select |
| 20:13:37 | amiconn | And you don't need to hold them, just short press |
| 20:14:33 | domonoky | amiconn: it seems the manual is wrong for this plugin ? it says Menu to Quit the Firedemo... |
| 20:14:47 | breiti | hah |
| 20:14:49 | breiti | i love the metronome |
| 20:14:52 | amiconn | domonoky: hmm? |
| 20:14:54 | breiti | tip tip tip tip... |
| 20:15:43 | amiconn | domonoky: Then the manual doesn't match reality |
| 20:16:14 | amiconn | But in this case reality should be adjusted to match the manual (because the other option would be silly if Menu alone does nothing...) |
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| 20:17:41 | gevaerts | amiconn: I think we need both. Make things behave correctly in trunk, but make the manual match the build for 3.0 |
| 20:20:12 | pixelma | the fire plugin was one of the last ones to be _converted_ to PLA, and the manual not updated accordingly... :\ |
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| 20:32:19 | Bagder | slashdot slashdot slashdot |
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| 20:33:00 | Llorean | yup |
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| 20:34:03 | bluebrother | poor webserver |
| 20:34:03 | domonoky | jup, rockbox made the news, very good news coverage.. |
| 20:34:34 | bluebrother | the response is quite amazing |
| 20:34:42 | BigBambi | Indeed, massive amount |
| 20:34:56 | BigBambi | This rockbox thing must be better than we thought! |
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| 20:35:25 | * | amiconn would prefer less response and a usable webserver instead :/ |
| 20:35:47 | bluebrother | BigBambi: indeed. How could we miss that? |
| 20:35:56 | * | bluebrother agrees with amiconn |
| 20:36:02 | BigBambi | bluebrother: Silly old us :) |
| 20:36:25 | Bagder | I'll try to up to 250 |
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| 20:37:06 | bluebrother | funnily the server was quite fast this morning. At least when I updated the rbutil wiki page |
| 20:37:19 | bluebrother | Bagder: you noticed the rbutil mac binary? |
| 20:37:32 | domonoky | bluebrother: already there :) |
| 20:37:44 | domonoky | see my last wiki update... |
| 20:38:20 | domonoky | now the only build missing is the linux 64bit one... |
| 20:38:29 | * | bluebrother missed that. Oh my, it's been a day ... |
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| 20:39:21 | hospadar | howdy |
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| 20:40:33 | hospadar | I was wondering |
| 20:40:50 | domonoky | wondering is good :-) |
| 20:40:52 | hospadar | does anyone know if/how well video playback works on an ipod photo? |
| 20:40:55 | hospadar | hehe |
| 20:41:02 | BigBambi | not bad at all |
| 20:41:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | Fairly decent. |
| 20:41:35 | hospadar | because I have a zen vision:m and I may have the opportunity to get my hands on a cheap old photo |
| 20:41:47 | hospadar | and my vision:m is a little beat up |
| 20:42:01 | hospadar | so I'd like to switch |
| 20:42:41 | Llorean | hospadar: Reports seem to indicate you'll at least get watchable framerates at decent visual quality. Better framerates than some OFs claim, but don't expect a full 30. |
| 20:43:15 | Llorean | I think the PluginMpegplayer page in our wiki will show what some people have gotten as test results, but you never know the state of the file they used and it's been a while since the last person updated for the iPod Photo I think. |
| 20:43:17 | hospadar | how about on an ipod video? don't those have hardware decoders? |
| 20:43:18 | Llorean | If you can even get to the page. |
| 20:43:23 | Llorean | We can't use the hardware decoder. |
| 20:43:28 | hospadar | ahh |
| 20:43:34 | Llorean | Not enough information on it. |
| 20:43:34 | hospadar | so the results would be about the same? |
| 20:43:37 | Llorean | Worse |
| 20:43:41 | Llorean | Bigger screen, same speed processor |
| 20:43:48 | hospadar | oh I see |
| 20:43:59 | hospadar | what kind of processor do the ipods use? |
| 20:44:03 | hospadar | is it an ARM? |
| 20:44:07 | Llorean | It's an ARM with two 80mhz cores. |
| 20:44:58 | gevaerts | hospadar: if you're interested in video on rockbox, I wouldn't recommend an ipod |
| 20:45:00 | hospadar | am I correct in assuming though that if I chop down the video bitrate I can get better speed |
| 20:45:04 | hospadar | oh really |
| 20:45:12 | hospadar | what would be better? |
| 20:45:51 | Llorean | Gigabeat |
| 20:45:53 | gevaerts | I'd recommend a gigabeat F |
| 20:45:59 | gevaerts | Much faster CPU |
| 20:46:01 | Llorean | 320x240 screen like the iPod, MUCH faster CPU. |
| 20:46:02 | hospadar | also I was wondering how file transfers work with rockbox, does it just give you a mountable filesystem? |
| 20:46:14 | Llorean | Yes |
| 20:46:19 | hospadar | sweet |
| 20:46:26 | Llorean | You use a FAT32 filesystem and put data wherever you feel like it. |
| 20:47:00 | hospadar | how do you guys develop this? does gcc compile to the processors these players use? |
| 20:47:14 | gevaerts | yes |
| 20:47:18 | domonoky | jup, all thanks to gcc :-) |
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| 20:54:37 | star_jasmine | hi everyone. in the rockbox utility released today, I a |
| 20:55:15 | star_jasmine | am not able to change options for the tts creation of voices. I get as far as configuring tts once I have picked sapi, and get an error repor consistently. can someone help? |
| 20:56:10 | star_jasmine | REPORT |
| 20:56:15 | star_jasmine | USING WINDOWS |
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| 21:00:15 | bluebrother | star_jasmine: no need to scream ... |
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| 21:01:35 | star_jasmine | sorry I didn't realize my capslock was on. it must have gotten stuck. I appologize |
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| 21:02:08 | bluebrother | hmm, there seems something to be broken. |
| 21:02:26 | bluebrother | you're on windows xp? You have SAPI voices installed? |
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| 21:03:18 | star_jasmine | yes. that's right. rockbox utliity didn't let me make sapi 4 previously, but allowed for sapi5 voices to be created |
| 21:03:48 | star_jasmine | I would love it if sai4 worked. it used to have the option, but couldn't create one |
| 21:04:12 | star_jasmine | and my cygwin is horrible at the moment. very slow for no reason |
| 21:04:42 | bluebrother | domonoky: ping |
| 21:05:02 | star_jasmine | sapi4 rather |
| 21:07:55 | nbcs | someone help me how to enable 'RTC alarm' on H300 |
| 21:08:03 | nbcs | I know how to compiling, but FS #7814 patch doesn't work |
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| 21:13:42 | bluebrother | nbcs: it might be out of date ... does it apply cleanly? |
| 21:15:07 | nbcs | type 'make' -> http://www.ihuf.net/board/skin/ihuf_v2_rockbox_qna_nct/view_img.php?file=data/rockbox_qna/1221987519/01.JPG |
| 21:15:52 | domonoky | star_jasmine:what error do you get ? |
| 21:16:23 | nbcs | that is the result |
| 21:17:12 | bluebrother | well, then it is out of date. |
| 21:17:33 | bluebrother | which means you need to resync it. |
| 21:17:39 | pixelma | nbcs: did you try "make clean" and reconfigure before? |
| 21:18:01 | * | bluebrother somewhat forgot about that possibility |
| 21:18:18 | pixelma | those additional language strings sometimes need it (from what I remember) |
| 21:18:24 | nbcs | I did |
| 21:19:29 | star_jasmine | how do I telL WHAT I SAYS? IT WON'T LET ME SEE THE ERROR REPORT |
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| 21:19:59 | bluebrother | star_jasmine: take care of your caps lock button :o |
| 21:20:16 | funman | or use shift :) |
| 21:20:26 | bluebrother | domonoky: I noticed an issue running w2k too: it simply hangs. Doesn't eat up cpu. |
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| 21:20:38 | bluebrother | haven't tried checking the debug output yet. |
| 21:20:53 | domonoky | i think i see the problem... lets do some tests.. |
| 21:21:12 | nbcs | FS #7814 suceeded Thursday, 05 June 2008 by PaulJam (PaulJam) |
| 21:21:17 | star_jasmine | ok sorry |
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| 21:22:47 | pixelma | nbcs: ok, looks really out of sync then. I believe there are some hints that it has to do with some more work on moving the GUI to viewports, unfortunately I don't know enough about it |
| 21:23:26 | nbcs | well, thank you anyway |
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| 21:33:57 | pocari | Hi rtutilqt doesn't install correctly on my mac am I doing something wrong here? |
| 21:34:18 | BigBambi | define not properly |
| 21:34:40 | pocari | after drag-drop installation, the app doesn't even start |
| 21:34:43 | bluebrother | "smoke comes out of my PC"? |
| 21:34:59 | funman | pocari: try starting it from a terminal to have some output |
| 21:35:08 | pocari | ok |
| 21:36:53 | pocari | error 10810 |
| 21:38:49 | pocari | Should I just get the source and compile it my self? Also is this not the pre-compiled binary for the OSX? |
| 21:39:38 | funman | if you can run it on OSX it's the good binary |
| 21:39:58 | pocari | I can't even run it from the terminal, |
| 21:40:02 | bluebrother | well, what binary are you running anyway? |
| 21:40:04 | funman | and I think it was built recently so try to check what's the error in the source |
| 21:40:18 | funman | what's the "error 10810" ? I thought it was a rbutil code |
| 21:40:56 | pocari | I got the 1.0.7 off the site, and I don't understand the error also it just doesn't even start in OSX |
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| 21:43:19 | Llorean | Google seems to suggest error 10810 is a process overflow |
| 21:43:43 | pocari | ah |
| 21:44:52 | pocari | anyone knows the md5 for the original dmg? |
| 21:45:36 | bluebrother | well, the dmg having 1.4M size sounds broken to me. |
| 21:46:17 | bluebrother | the linux binary is compressed above 4M, and I'd expect a universal binary to double the size |
| 21:46:18 | pocari | I thought that also |
| 21:46:57 | pocari | intesresting |
| 21:47:36 | bluebrother | domonoky: and another ping ... ;-) |
| 21:47:51 | domonoky | uh.. |
| 21:48:16 | pocari | yeah the earlier release has been 12M each, I wonder where the 1.0.7 is.... |
| 21:48:31 | bertrik | hmm, the sansa clip doesn't have an lcd, or does it? |
| 21:48:57 | Llorean | bertrik: Small, weird lookin' one. |
| 21:48:58 | domonoky | hm, it seems i have messd up this mac build again.. :-/ |
| 21:49:03 | Llorean | It's mono, but with a colored backdrop |
| 21:49:09 | gevaerts | bertrik: I think that technically it's not lcd but oled. |
| 21:49:29 | bertrik | gevaerts, exactly |
| 21:49:33 | bluebrother | we really need a mac dev for rbutil |
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| 21:49:43 | gevaerts | bertrik: I'm not sure though |
| 21:52:46 | domonoky | pocari: please try this build: http://jdgordon.info:8080/~domonoky/rbutilqt-v1.0.7b.dmg |
| 21:54:39 | pocari | domonoky: should I use songbird for music sync or can the new rockbox handle Itunes8 |
| 21:55:04 | domonoky | pocari: copy&paste is the best :-) |
| 21:55:37 | pocari | :-) |
| 21:55:49 | Llorean | pocari: As long as the music is in a format Rockbox can play, and you're willing to accept any limitations on finding it in the filetree, any sync program should be fine. |
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| 22:03:47 | pocari | macpod installation has failed so I'll just use it on my PC as a winpod |
| 22:04:13 | Llorean | pocari: The manual should mention that it must be converted to FAT32 first |
| 22:04:24 | Llorean | You can still use it on a mac once it's FAT32 formatted, but iTunes on mac won't like it. |
| 22:04:24 | pocari | right done that, |
| 22:04:51 | pocari | right the nano is already fat32 but it's says it's not |
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| 22:05:49 | pocari | Might be some issue with my Ipod also I'll re-format and try once again |
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| 22:06:43 | Llorean | You don't *just* reformat it |
| 22:06:50 | Llorean | Did you follow the full conversion steps? |
| 22:07:23 | pocari | yes |
| 22:07:34 | linuxstb | pocari: What says it's not FAT32 formatted? |
| 22:07:49 | pocari | the automatic instllation tool |
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| 22:09:27 | linuxstb | Then it still has an Apple Partition Map |
| 22:09:56 | linuxstb | As Llorean said, you need to follow the instructions to fully convert it. |
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| 22:46:13 | bill2or3 | I just installed RB on an iriver H340, it boots, says "Rockbox boot loader, Version 5, Batt: 4.05v", hangs for a bit, and then says ""ATA error: -1, Insert USB cable and press a button". |
| 22:46:51 | bill2or3 | I have a .rockbox directory with a rockbox.iriver file in it, (and the rest of the rb stuff). The iriver firmware still boots fine. |
| 22:47:03 | bill2or3 | any ideas why the RB fw isn't booting for me? |
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| 22:47:58 | bill2or3 | note: this player has been in a drawer for a while, so I don't know how good the battery is, but it does say 4.05V. |
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| 22:49:54 | Bagder | giving it a good charge is always a good idea |
| 22:50:24 | bill2or3 | that's my best guess as to what's wrong, but I thought I'd ask. |
| 22:51:11 | skinneet | are dynamicly created playlists removed on when the Rockbox player is shutdown and restarted? |
| 22:51:23 | bill2or3 | I've ordered a new battery. I think that 'ATA Error: -1' indicates that it couldn't read the drive, but the iriver firmware reads it ok, so I don't know. |
| 22:51:39 | gevaerts | skinneet: no |
| 22:51:46 | skinneet | hrmmm |
| 22:51:50 | skinneet | seem to have a problem with that then |
| 22:52:13 | skinneet | lately, I have been creating playlists from the database and when I shutdown and restart the player, the playlist is gone |
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| 22:53:17 | gevaerts | Can you try checking the filesystem for errors? |
| 22:53:26 | skinneet | ok |
| 22:54:55 | bill2or3 | and for free space.. |
| 22:55:14 | skinneet | I definitely have free space on the system |
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| 22:58:59 | Bagder | skinneet: I think dynamic playlists from the database aren't saved |
| 22:59:52 | Bagder | although I never use the db myself so I'm a bit bad on details or accuracy |
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| 23:01:12 | * | gevaerts checks |
| 23:01:22 | * | DerPapst too |
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| 23:02:27 | skinneet | Bagder: that's what I was thinking |
| 23:02:58 | gevaerts | skinneet: how exactly do you create the playlist (to make sure I test the right thing)? |
| 23:03:15 | skinneet | go to the database and then select "Year" |
| 23:03:28 | skinneet | on one of the years, I press and hold the Select button (using and iPod) |
| 23:03:37 | skinneet | then press 'Select' on the Playlist option |
| 23:03:59 | skinneet | the either 'Playlist Shuffle' or 'Insert Shuffled' with Select |
| 23:04:04 | skinneet | let song start playing... |
| 23:04:09 | skinneet | pause song and then shutdown the player |
| 23:04:24 | skinneet | restart the player and try to resume the playlist |
| 23:04:33 | skinneet | at which point I get the "Nothing to Resume" |
| 23:05:16 | gevaerts | Works fine here |
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| 23:06:24 | BigBambi | How are you shutting down? |
| 23:06:26 | mcuelenaere | here2code, here2code_2: around? |
| 23:06:56 | skinneet | BigBambi: sometimes, I let it shutdown via the timeout function... other times, I press and hold the play button when at the main menu |
| 23:07:09 | BigBambi | OK |
| 23:07:35 | BigBambi | Just checking you weren't rebooting with menu + select (some people seem to think this equals shutdown) |
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| 23:08:48 | skinneet | yea |
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| 23:08:59 | skinneet | this used to work awhile ago but now it doesn't |
| 23:09:06 | skinneet | it didn't bother me to much but lately it has |
| 23:09:11 | gevaerts | Did you check the filesystem? |
| 23:09:15 | skinneet | doing an fsck right now |
| 23:09:27 | skinneet | on the second partition on this iPod |
| 23:09:31 | skinneet | I am running this from linux |
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| 23:14:23 | skinneet | ok.. the FAT file system had a couple errors... nvram.bin and config.cfg were sharing the same cluster.. I truncated the latter after I copied the contents off the device |
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| 23:14:50 | skinneet | and there was a free cluster summary problem |
| 23:15:32 | gevaerts | That's likely to be the problem then |
| 23:15:57 | * | gevaerts doesn't like that sort of error though |
| 23:16:27 | skinneet | yea |
| 23:16:50 | gevaerts | The fact that it's nvram.bin and config.cfg seems to me to point towards a problem in rockbox, not a problem with unpluging the cable at the wrong moment |
| 23:19:50 | kushalone | does anyone know when rbutilqt 1.0.7 for mac coming to http://download.rockbox.org/rbutil/macosx/ ? |
| 23:21:27 | domonoky | kushalone: i built a new working version at http://jdgordon.info:8080/~domonoky/rbutilqt-v1.0.7b.dmg |
| 23:21:48 | domonoky | Bagder: could you please move this to the download server ? |
| 23:21:50 | skinneet | I fixed the file system and copied the config.cfg file back |
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| 23:22:34 | gevaerts | skinneet: did you check that config.cfg looks plausible? |
| 23:22:41 | skinneet | *nod* |
| 23:22:47 | skinneet | mine only had the car adapter line in it |
| 23:22:48 | * | bill2or3 fsck's too |
| 23:22:51 | gevaerts | ok. good luck :) |
| 23:23:00 | Bagder | domonoky: you want the b in there or should I replace the former name? |
| 23:23:14 | domonoky | replace it please |
| 23:23:22 | skinneet | there... works again |
| 23:23:28 | skinneet | thanks for your help peeps |
| 23:23:37 | skinneet | now to read up on the remote stuff for the iPod |
| 23:24:54 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
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| 23:27:49 | bill2or3 | no luck after fscking. |
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| 23:29:21 | smcquay | hello everyone |
| 23:30:02 | bertrik | hi smcquay |
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| 23:30:51 | smcquay | i just tried installing rockbox on my ipod 30G 5th gen vid ipod. i'm getting a bootloader error: "can't load rockbox.ipod: file not found". i've properly unzipped the ipod zip to the root folder on that ipod, and have tried redoing the firmware. any ideas? |
| 23:31:25 | BigBambi | What is the directory structure? |
| 23:31:40 | BigBambi | and what OS? |
| 23:32:20 | smcquay | linux |
| 23:32:23 | smcquay | .rockbox/ |
| 23:32:31 | smcquay | then in .rockbox: backdrops docs icons rockbox-info.txt themes |
| 23:32:31 | smcquay | codecs doom langs rockbox.ipod viewers.config |
| 23:32:31 | smcquay | codepages eqs rbutil.log rocks wps |
| 23:32:31 | DBUG | Sent KICK smcquay to server |
| 23:32:31 | smcquay | database.ignore fonts recpresets tagnavi.config |
| 23:32:31 | Kick | (#rockbox smcquay :No flooding!) by logbot!n=bjst@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-507a9318582de8ba |
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| 23:33:13 | smcquay | he he. i got kicked. yeah, it says backdrops, codecs, codepages, database.ignore, etc, rockbox.ipod, etc |
| 23:33:24 | smcquay | it's there, but the firmware can't see it, apparently |
| 23:33:26 | BigBambi | so you definately have /media/ipod/.rockbox/rockbox.ipod ? |
| 23:33:33 | Bagder | domonoky: the new 1.0.7 is there now |
| 23:33:37 | BigBambi | or whatever your mountpoint is |
| 23:33:40 | smcquay | BigBambi: yes, i have it mounted elsewhere, but yes. |
| 23:33:50 | domonoky | Bagder: many thanks ! |
| 23:33:54 | BigBambi | odd |
| 23:34:06 | BigBambi | smcquay: Could you try rbutil and let it do the install? |
| 23:34:15 | smcquay | ah, but i already have :) BigBambi |
| 23:34:33 | BigBambi | That is very odd |
| 23:34:41 | gevaerts | This is 5G, and not 5.5G? |
| 23:34:47 | smcquay | and sad. it made my day when rockbox hit the engadget. |
| 23:34:50 | smcquay | yeah, positive. |
| 23:35:01 | smcquay | 5.5 has the flashy halfscreen reflections menus, right? i don't have that |
| 23:35:02 | gevaerts | ok, so 512 byte sectors |
| 23:35:13 | gevaerts | No, that's the classic (or 6g) |
| 23:35:20 | smcquay | ah, definitely not. |
| 23:35:35 | gevaerts | Can you check the sector size in the dmesg output? |
| 23:35:55 | smcquay | sure where does that show up as? can i also see it with fdisk? |
| 23:36:11 | gevaerts | fdisk is less reliable for this. Just run dmesg |
| 23:36:16 | smcquay | fdisk -l looks like amess, but i see /dev/sdb1 start=1, end=4 |
| 23:36:24 | smcquay | blocks = 96264 |
| 23:36:55 | * | gevaerts doesn't care about partition layouts right now. Just the sector size. Is it 512 or 2048? |
| 23:36:59 | smcquay | sd 16:0:0:0: [sdb] 14651280 2048-byte hardware sectors (30006 MB) |
| 23:37:10 | BigBambi | ah, a 5.5G! |
| 23:37:12 | * | smcquay blush |
| 23:37:12 | gevaerts | That;s a 5.5G. |
| 23:37:19 | smcquay | gah?!? how? |
| 23:37:34 | smcquay | it doesn't have the flashy menu on it! i think it has a replaced HD ... could that be it? |
| 23:37:59 | BigBambi | nah, the 5.5G has just a slightly updated 5G |
| 23:38:04 | gevaerts | No. It needs the same build, but there is a bug in the released bootloader that could explain this |
| 23:38:16 | BigBambi | it still isn't a Classic = 6G |
| 23:38:22 | smcquay | hmmm ... is there a dev bootloader i could try? (i'm really excited to try rockbox again) |
| 23:38:25 | smcquay | definitely not |
| 23:38:38 | smcquay | oh, wait, yeah, the classic is the one with the glossy halfscreen menu, right? |
| 23:38:44 | BigBambi | yup |
| 23:38:50 | gevaerts | smcquay: there are bootloaders at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9369 |
| 23:39:09 | smcquay | linuxx86_64? |
| 23:39:12 | smcquay | or do they all work? |
| 23:40:07 | BigBambi | Your OS is irrelevant to the bootloader |
| 23:40:20 | BigBambi | You install them to the ipod with ipodpatcher |
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| 23:40:37 | smcquay | oh really? oh, okay. i didn't get a bootloader, just the patcher .... |
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| 23:40:42 | * | smcquay looks really stoopid |
| 23:41:10 | smcquay | the usermanual said nothing of bootloaders |
| 23:41:11 | BigBambi | You use the patcher to install a bootloader from that task |
| 23:41:18 | smcquay | should i've grabbed one? |
| 23:41:30 | BigBambi | No, it wouldn't - ipodpatcher has the release bootloaders built in |
| 23:41:49 | smcquay | oh, so now i have bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod ... and ipodpatcher .... |
| 23:41:52 | BigBambi | But since that doesn't work, we are going to use ipodpatcher to install an external bootloader |
| 23:42:11 | BigBambi | yep - I'm going to let someone else give you the command, as I don't have an ipod :) |
| 23:42:13 | smcquay | ah, so i can call ipodpatcher like this: ./ipodpatcher <path to awesome fixer boodloader> ? |
| 23:42:24 | smcquay | AH! it has a help message |
| 23:43:02 | smcquay | ./ipodpatcher −−add-bootloader-bin bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod |
| 23:43:32 | smcquay | the ipodpatcher reports aka 5th generation ("winpod") |
| 23:44:09 | * | smcquay is letting ipod reboot .... |
| 23:44:14 | DerPapst | only -a |
| 23:44:34 | DerPapst | the -in part is wrong |
| 23:44:39 | DerPapst | *-bin |
| 23:44:53 | smcquay | oh, so only -a ... trying |
| 23:45:27 | smcquay | yeah, it just hung on the rebooting apple before and MAGIC!!! thanks you guys |
| 23:45:33 | smcquay | wait ... it's rebooting over and over |
| 23:45:57 | bill2or3 | d'oh |
| 23:46:05 | * | smcquay because the genious didn't unplug the device from his computer |
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| 23:46:22 | BigBambi | smcquay: hehe :) |
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| 23:46:56 | smcquay | you guys are awesome. thank you thank you for bringing the beauty of ogg/flac to my device |
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| 23:47:49 | BigBambi | smcquay: No worries, and I hope you enjoy it :) |
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| 23:58:29 | Bagder | http://www.gulli.com/news/ipod-und-co-open-source-2008-09-26/ |
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