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#rockbox log for 2008-09-26

00:00:12 Quit jhulst_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))
00:00:53KEROLiUKASis there a sandbox type thing? for testing themes/developing
00:01:26DerPapstthe rockb ox UI sim
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00:01:39DerPapstdunno how far the wps editor is
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00:04:28 Quit bughunter2 ("bye")
00:04:49ThundercloudHey guy
00:04:52Thunderclouds/ guys
00:05:02ThundercloudI take it is being slashdotted?
00:05:13Bagderyes, although not by slashdot ;-)
00:05:27funmanrockboxed ?
00:05:42KEROLiUKASif you want to d/l,
00:06:06KEROLiUKASBagder I had the same problem with "The Engadget Effect" when my site was posted a while back
00:06:22ThundercloudActually my question was more regarding what platforms 3.0 officially supports
00:06:59BigBambiThose that you can download for from that directory
00:07:10ThundercloudFair 'nuff :D
00:07:12ThundercloudI have two mp3 playesr
00:07:15Thunderclouds/ players
00:07:21ThundercloudAn iAudio D2, which is my main one
00:07:29ThundercloudAnd an iAudio X5, which I keep for pretty much rockbox :D
00:07:33BigBambiYep :)
00:07:41ThundercloudGotta have a test platform for these things :D
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00:10:13bluebrotherBagder: updated rbutil m1.0.7 here: and .tar.bz2. Can you move them to the download server?
00:11:27Bagderbluebrother: done!
00:11:54bluebrotherBagder: thanks. I'll give up editing the RockboxUtility wiki page due to the heavy server load ... will do tomorrow
00:12:03 Quit BigBambi ("Please insert girder")
00:12:13Bagderyeah, and by the it should be mirrored fine already
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00:12:17Bagderby then
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00:16:38 Quit HellDragon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) got 44100 visits yday
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00:19:16Nico_PBagder: do you have download stats?
00:19:25LloreanInterestingly, the forums haven't really seen a significant increase in page views.
00:19:39LloreanThe 24th was our record high in page views this month
00:19:50LloreanNo, wait, the 7th was
00:19:54BagderNico_P: not any good ones as they're hosted by the three dl servers I'm not admin of
00:20:35Nico_Pwhat's our average number of visits per day?
00:20:52Bagder10000 roughly
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00:25:53scorche|shLlorean: the forums have had a few spikes, but the only real surge in traffic has been the last 2 hours of so
00:26:10Lloreanscorche|sh: I just looked at the total page views
00:26:43LloreanI guess we've got a while yet before today is done for page views though
00:26:58LloreanDid anything interesting happen on the 7th that I don't remember?
00:27:13j6how come the traffic is so heavy?
00:27:16Bagderthe engadget post appeared only a few hours ago and that seems to be the biggest
00:27:22Lloreanj6: 3.0 came out.
00:27:25j6oh engadget
00:27:36j6Llorean: yeah i know, but i downloaded it fine yesterday
00:27:38BagderLlorean: the main site has no bump on the 7th
00:27:46LloreanBagder: It's possibly a good thing we _didn't_ issue a press release anywhere
00:28:11LloreanBagder: On the 7th we saw 39,000 page views in the forums, daily average other than that is probably about 25k
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00:29:50Nico_Pdoes anyone have a slashdot account?
00:30:08bluebrotherNico_P: want to kill the poor web server? ;-)
00:30:28scorche|shLlorean: there will be quite a bit more today...going by the bandwidth graph trends at least
00:30:42Nico_Pwow the website has become superfast
00:31:01Lloreanscorche|sh: Should be fun.
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00:31:29Nico_Phmm I guess I was just lucky
00:32:06lard-VaderHey guys, just curious, has anyone done any work on a zune port?
00:32:23scorche|shLlorean: yup...the server cna take a whole lot more though..
00:32:30bluebrotherlard-Vader: no
00:32:31scorche|shlard-Vader: not really
00:32:31Nico_Plard-Vader: there was some research, but it's hit a brick wall
00:32:47lard-VaderSpecial checksum hardware I read?
00:33:34 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat")
00:34:13lard-VaderI volunteer to infiltrate microsoft and steal their private key.
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00:35:41Nico_Plard-Vader: heh, you're welcome to try ;)
00:35:47LambdaCalculus37lard-Vader: We won't be held responsible for any resistance you may encounter. ;)
00:35:55scorche|shlard-Vader: shhhh...we dont want to know!
00:37:47 Quit bluebrother ("sleep")
00:38:04*Llorean notes that someone did attempt to submit Rockbox 3.0's release to slashdot.
00:38:14Llorean12 words long. :)
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00:38:45Bagderthe PR department is effective here!
00:38:58LloreanI attempted to write one just now, but it told me one had already been submitted for the URL.
00:39:17Bagderthen link to the downloads! ;-P
00:39:27LloreanI'm about to!
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00:39:36Nico_Por the release notes
00:39:46scorche|shwe have notes? ;)
00:40:15Nico_PBagder: did you submit a story?
00:40:36Bagderall the 12 words are mine and mine only!
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00:42:05Nico_Phaha, a slightly longer one might have been better :)
00:42:35*Llorean submitted a slightly longer one.
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00:44:19Nico_PLlorean: very nice (assuming you are DarkkOne) :)
00:44:27scorche|shhe is
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00:49:50*petur voted...
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01:01:15j6hey, why dont we have SNDH support :(
01:01:35*DerPapst doesn't even know what it is
01:01:56DerPapstbut most probably because no one has done it yet :P
01:01:58j6atari st :3
01:02:18Bagderj6: so there's a chance for you to go ahead!
01:02:19j6there has been a post about it on the bugtracker forever
01:02:29j6Bagder: i would love to, not very good at C though
01:03:03Bagderwe've had people learn C in order to hack Rockbox in the past already, you wouldn't be the first! :-)
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01:03:06Lloreanj6: It'll probably take you less time to learn C than it'll take if you just sit and wait for the bits to line themselves up. :)
01:03:32DeathWolfIs there any hope of h264 decoding on the ipods?(ie, is there anyone currently working on it?)
01:03:45LloreanDeathWolf: They're too slow, except the iPod Video's special video processor
01:04:04DeathWolfthe apple firmware does it fine
01:04:14DeathWolf(there's a builtin h264 decoder iirc?)
01:04:17Bagder special video processor being the key there
01:04:19DeathWolf(hardware one that is)
01:04:22LloreanDeathWolf: Note what I said...
01:04:27DeathWolfah yes sorry
01:04:31LloreanYou asked about "iPods"
01:04:36j6Llorean: :(
01:04:39DeathWolfLet me say ipod5G+ then:)
01:04:41Lloreanj6: Just truth.
01:04:43DerPapstbecause of "the iPod Video's special video processor"
01:04:48j6Llorean: yeah i guess
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01:04:55LloreanDeathWolf: There's almost no knowledge of the specialized hardware, and no docs on it, so it's unlikely to happen.
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01:05:17j6Llorean: what do i have to know if i want to write a sndh decoder?
01:05:33j6except for how the atari st works etc
01:05:37j6god damn
01:05:48DeathWolfThought so Llorean:/
01:05:50DerPapsthow to write a codec for rockbox
01:06:09DeathWolfThanks anyway for the info:)
01:06:09j6sounds like what i am looking for
01:06:10DerPapstand C of course ;(
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01:06:42DerPapstthere is a wikipage about writing codecs.
01:06:51DerPapstdunno the URL though
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01:07:18j6guess i'll wait until the site isnt under such heavy load
01:07:24scorche|shHowToWriteCodecs? ;)
01:07:35DerPapstmaybe :P
01:08:01*DerPapst isn't too familiar with the rockbox wiki
01:09:39KEROLiUKASwhat do you guys think so far?
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01:10:24*DerPapst thinks those are strange song titles
01:10:54KEROLiUKASthe song is funny
01:10:58j6KEROLiUKAS: looks nice, the seek bar thing should be a bit brighter though
01:11:14KEROLiUKASprogress bar?
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01:14:40KEROLiUKASlike that?
01:14:47KEROLiUKASnow the buttons need more color too
01:15:39lard-VaderBest song ever
01:16:17funmanit's a porno OST
01:16:39scorche|shthis is getting very offtopic folks...
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01:18:01lard-VaderWhy are you talking to me? I can't have sex with your college degree.
01:18:10KEROLiUKASscorche|sh should this type of theme talk be in the offtopic chan?
01:18:13lard-VaderShow me your gentials... your genetalia!
01:18:41scorche|shlard-Vader: last warning
01:19:13scorche|shKEROLiUKAS: isnt strictly offtopic, but it might be nicer
01:19:45funmanit is inciting to offtopic
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01:32:50funmanI need an explanation of the bottom of
01:32:58funmanfp >= 3/8 * fm
01:33:04funmanwhere p = PCLK and m = MCLK
01:33:15funmanif p = PCLK, then what's fp ?
01:33:47funmansome notation specific to clocks maybe
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01:45:52funmanfdinel: we didn't think about studying the sd_reload__ library of sansa OF
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01:46:31funmanI think in the 12 functions we might find 'read' 'write' and al
01:52:20funmanthe first are wrappers to 'well-known' functions we have examinated already
01:52:56funmanthat could hopefully help understanding the '0xec sized struct'
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05:24:58here2codehi, while compiling rockbox i get the following error
05:25:00here2codedebug_menu.c: In function 'dbg_menu_getname':
05:25:00here2codedebug_menu.c:2569: warning: pointer targets in return differ in signedness
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05:25:33ddaltonhey, what do I do to get the sansa into a mode where i can mount and copy files to it?
05:25:39here2codei can change the code, but i am sure others must have seen the problem
05:26:50Lloreanddalton: traditionally, "plug a USB cable in to it"
05:27:09scorche|shddalton: though, you may need to change it to MCS mode
05:27:35Lloreanscorche|sh: You can mount and copy files to it in MTP mode too...
05:28:04Lloreanhere2code: shows any warnings and errors the official build servers are seeing. Since you're seeing it, and they aren't, it suggests something in your environment may not be set up right.
05:28:34here2codei am trying to compile it for mips
05:28:40ddaltonok, thnx.
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05:28:45here2codebut that shouldnt be any different
05:28:49UnhelpfulLlorean: not "mount and copy" so much as "send tracks and store files", although windows does provide a FS view, iirc?
05:29:08Unhelpfulhere2code: "for mips"? which player, specifically?
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05:30:31LloreanUnhelpful: It provides a reasonable facsimile of a filesystem view that you can access through Explorer and interact with as if it were a real filesystem, yes.
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05:31:19Unhelpfulonly wart i remember is that apps mostly won't "see" it as it's not actually a "drive" in the sense expected by things messing with files on windows
05:31:22here2codethat would be Onda VX747
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05:32:14saratogasince that port is still in progress, there may be warnings
05:34:22here2codeis there a different make option to just build the rockbox bootloader; i am trying make bin
05:35:06saratogathe configure script determines what you build
05:37:16here2codeso how can i just build "rockbox bootloader" ?
05:37:54saratogarun the configure script and select bootloader
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05:40:07saratogathen run make and make zip
05:40:41here2codegot it. i was choosing N for normal. thanks
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05:58:39*ameyer wonders what "*PANIC* (newline) Stkov (0)" means
05:58:58ameyerobviously, with a newline instead of (newline)
05:59:09LloreanIt means there was a stack overflow.
05:59:18LloreanWhat were you doing?
05:59:46ameyerwith the sansa charging patch applied, I held power with USB connected
06:00:00LloreanIsn't there already a bug report up on this?
06:01:12ameyer*shrug* since the patch isn't officially part of rockbox, I suspect not
06:01:28LloreanWell, I think it's just a comment in the task
06:02:03LloreanYeah, A day and a few hours ago it was posted to the task.
06:05:23ameyerfirst I saw it
06:06:02saratogasince the sansa randomly crashes on USB insert even without the charging patch, I tend to think its probably a more general PP bug
06:06:07saratogabut i haven't tried charging my sansa yet
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06:18:15ameyersaratoga: not exactly randomly
06:18:38ameyersome builds it happens 100% of the time, some it doesn't at all.
06:19:02ameyerfor me at least, YMMV, etc.
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06:21:11*ameyer suspects that bug may have unintentionally be fixed
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06:21:43ameyersaratoga: also, I suspect there's a difference between just locking up and throwing a stkov
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06:27:14ddaltonI get this error when connecting the sansa:
06:27:17ddalton[17173.339430] hub 5-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 6 [17189.470697] usb 3-2: device descriptor read/64, error -110
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06:28:16Lloreanddalton: You're not providing much useful information here.
06:28:24LloreanOF or Rockbox, MSC or MTP, e200 or c200?
06:28:49ddaltonum, its an e200, v2 i think though, and there is no usb item in the settings menu...
06:29:05LloreanRockbox doesn't run on the v2.
06:29:16LloreanProblems with the OF should be addressed to Sandisk.
06:29:26ddaltonis connecting the same way though?
06:29:44ddaltoncause im not sure cause im blind so I cant read the version number
06:30:14LloreanWell the only way to definitely tell a v2 from a v1 is to read the version number of the original firmware.
06:30:53LloreanWell, or install Rockbox on it, as that would confirm it's a v1.
06:30:55ddaltoni thought there was a version file someone on the player that i could cat from memory?
06:31:41ddaltonfine dont worry about it then
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06:54:02liebertdoes anyone know if there is support for sony walkman mp3 players?
06:54:42Lloreanliebert: There is only support for the players listed as supported.
06:54:58liebertgod damn
06:55:24LloreanWell, people with an interest in those players, such as you, apparently don't step forward and do the work.
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07:12:36JdGordonwhy is everyone using that picture?!
07:14:14JdGordonlol... via engadget via ostatic via ....
07:14:59Bagderalso common referer atm:
07:15:38Bagderbut now, breakfast
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07:35:31Nico_Pwhat happened to our /. story?
07:38:10LloreanIt hasn't shown yet
07:38:18LloreanAs far as I've seen at least
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07:48:21Nico_PLlorean: no, it hasn't and I can't find it on the firehose
07:49:03LloreanThat's because it was accepted.
07:49:07LloreanSo it *will* be posted eventually.
07:49:11LloreanI believe
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07:49:43Nico_Pah :)
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08:49:58LinusNnow that the 1.0.7 rbutil release is out, meybe we could link to it from ??
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08:51:19LinusNperhaps even a copy of it, so it remains stable for those who prefer to try 3.0
08:58:49LloreanWell, any future versions should be able to download 3.0 too, until 3.1 comes out, right?
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09:00:12LinusNsure, but i wouldn't want a temporary bug in future rbutil versions to stop people from downloading 3.0
09:00:37LinusNthe same goes for the bootloaders
09:01:40LloreanI think we shouldn't keep an old version of RBUtil around (it's more likely to turn out incompatible with something in the future) but rather keep a backup of the previous version around somewhere each time we update, and roll back immediately if there are significant enough problems.
09:02:27LloreanI don't really think there's much beneficial to having two different versions of the same installer available, one not receiving any updates at all.
09:03:24cool_walking_I think RbUtil should just grab an XML file from the server that contains a list of all the releases.
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09:07:08B4gdersite being responsive again?
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09:07:20LloreanFor the moment.
09:07:37LloreanAs far as I can tell, my article has been accepted by slashdot but not posted yet so it may get a beating again today.
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09:19:33amiconnSeem we might need to release a 3.0.1 for the Player
09:20:02B4gderwhat's the problem with 3.0 on that?
09:21:06amiconnNot a bug, but the new flash rom images can no longer have the start for the main image at (rom_start+24K), it will be at (rom_start+28K) like the other archoses
09:21:28amiconnBootbox grew too big, even with my size optimisations, and hence the rombox start address is wrong
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09:28:28JdGordonarnt there only about 3 Player's still in existance?
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09:34:13*amiconn thinks that there are considerably more Players in existence (and use) than Ondios
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09:35:22BigBambiBagder: I think the frontpage should be changed to add that the nano 4th gen isn't supported
09:35:38*scorche groans
09:35:43LloreanMaybe we should just change it to (and NO other iPods)
09:35:47BigBambiOr that
09:35:55scorcheLlorean: seriously...
09:36:23BigBambiBut at the moment seeing as we list that some do work and others don't, not to have one mentioned could be interpreted as a little ambiguous
09:36:24LloreanAt least that way we don't have to keep updating it every time Steve has a new favorite disk size.
09:38:20GodEaterbrb - firefox restart req'd
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09:38:43lol3izer_has anyone made any progress on the new encrypted firmwares?
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09:40:15B4gderlol3izer_: I think people in general go with less resistance so they pick other targets instead
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09:57:40^DVD-R^i have an 80GB iPod classic will this work?
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09:59:02B4gdersell it and get one that works with rockbox!
10:02:04GodEateris unwell ?
10:02:15GodEaterhmm - no - must be my end
10:02:36B4gderI think we're still close to the max
10:02:46B4gderso it might get slow at times
10:03:05GodEaterah ok
10:03:18GodEaterI'm trying to grab the latest source tarball, and it's not quick :(
10:03:29*GodEater mutters a bit more about git/svn over http
10:04:40voltagexB4gder: is the bandwidth bill going to be scary?
10:04:56B4gderwe pay fixed rate for it
10:05:10B4gderand the download servers are donated bandwidth by others
10:05:26*B4gder thanks sponsors
10:05:33*GodEater hugs "others"
10:05:54*voltagex cuts to a commercial break
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10:09:36lol3izer_open source dosent need users >_>
10:10:30B4gdermany referers from there now
10:10:51*scorche hopes someone is updating the ArticlesAboutRockbox page
10:10:56lol3izer_ this 3.0 release is really generating alot of publicity
10:11:14scorcheUGH....first comment there is about the classic
10:11:41scorchei am beginning to see a trend
10:11:49lol3izer_people like to complain?
10:11:56lol3izer_because i saw that trend a long time ago :D
10:14:23B4gderno longer front page on engadget so I think those slowed down now
10:14:42lol3izer_you are gonna get continual spikes
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10:14:51lol3izer_as it spreads around to all the blogs
10:15:07B4gderit's really more of a contant heavy load since last night
10:15:41lol3izer_this could attract more developers aswell
10:15:43lol3izer_but its hard to say
10:15:56lol3izer_it seems almost everyone capable of anything probly would have known about it already
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10:17:44B4gderwell, given perhaps 50-100K new users on the site, a very small fraction of them might be potential new hackers
10:17:59*GodEater hopes so
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10:19:44*B4gder is an optimist
10:22:51*GodEater is too
10:22:57vitjagevaerts: what about using USB_EP_BULK_(IN|OUT) instead of usb_serial_set_first_endpint?
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10:26:53voltagexB4gder: I've cured my warrenty-voiding-phobia, so I might actually be able to contribute something useful back to Rockbox
10:27:18B4gderthat's a nasty decease indeed!
10:27:39voltagexdestroyed two h300s in the process though :'(
10:29:27LinusNvoltagex: how did you do that?
10:30:09voltagexLinusN: by being a fool. One just died, the other I managed to rip the ribbon cable...
10:30:26voltagexpainful lesson.
10:30:48voltagexwell, the ribbon cable is in tact, but I don't have the equipment to solder it back to the board
10:31:09voltagexsomeone here suggested reflowing the solder, which I will do as soon as I can.
10:31:57voltagexBetter news is that the iRiver E100 is much easier to pull apart. Just need to get a scanner so I can post some PCB pics.
10:32:34voltagexit still uses .hex firmware too :D
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10:38:02w1ll14mi have a problem
10:38:19w1ll14mi get undefined reference to `free' when compiling libdumb
10:38:21voltagexdon't we all?
10:38:47w1ll14mto be honest, i'm trying to build somthing for rockbox.
10:38:49w1ll14mhehe indeed
10:39:15w1ll14mwhen i trac eit back... it seems the call 'if (callbacks) free(callbacks);'
10:39:32w1ll14mis free somewhat connected to malloc ?
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10:40:51B4gderit's the opposite of malloc
10:40:58w1ll14mi was affraid so.
10:41:21w1ll14mi created a malloc wrapper (based on vorbis codec malloc wrapper)
10:41:48w1ll14mhow do i use free at this point ?
10:41:49B4gderyou should basically fix the code to not have to call free
10:42:00linuxstbw1ll14m: Creating a wrapper is the easy way out - the best solution is to (as far as possible) change libdumb to allocate things statically
10:42:00w1ll14mahh ok
10:42:31w1ll14mwell this is the second thing i write in C (first thing i wrote was hello world)
10:42:49B4gderright, and if you do use a wrapper you should make sure it only "allocates" a fixed amount of data and then it stops
10:42:53B4gderand not use free at all
10:42:59linuxstbWasn't there already a libdumb port though?
10:43:05B4gderthere was
10:43:33B4gderiirc, it had terrible performance problems
10:44:00w1ll14mit's worth trying i guess
10:44:12w1ll14mand it's something nice to learn
10:45:08w1ll14mif i have a malloc and free call... how should i take care of static allocation ?
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10:45:46mak3hi all
10:45:54mak3is there any news on supporting ipod classic?
10:46:01linuxstbmak3: No.
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10:47:59mak3my ipod video 60gb is broken and the repair cost the same like a ipod classic 120gb. :/
10:49:11linuxstbw1ll14m: If, for example, you're calling malloc to allocate memory for a struct, you just declare an instance of that struct somewhere, and set the pointer to point to that instead. Or just change the declaration from a pointer to a struct to a struct (but that would mean changing more code)
10:49:11scorchethen buy a nonpod?
10:49:33mak3they are all too big as far is see..
10:49:52GodEaterwell just wishing for a port of rockbox to the classic won't make it happen
10:49:57scorchetoo big?
10:49:57linuxstbmak3: Then crack the encryption which is preventing people working on a port to the classic...
10:50:09markunmak3: if you're happy with the classic without rockbox than just buy that
10:50:13linuxstbmak3: Or don't use Rockbox. Those are the options...
10:50:22mak3or not on sale anymore..
10:50:41BigBambiWe are very sorry about that, but there isn't much we can do
10:51:31mak3humm i thought the encryption is already cracked..
10:51:39markunthat's a different encryption
10:51:40BigBambinot in any way
10:51:46markunfor the database, not the firmware
10:51:52B4gderit wasn't even encryption
10:51:55mak3hm okay i see
10:51:56mak3very odd
10:52:03B4gdernot at all odd
10:52:22w1ll14mlinuxstb, thanx i'll look in to it
10:52:57w1ll14mmak3 what's broken on the ipod video ?
10:53:04mak3hardware side
10:53:32w1ll14mis it the main board or harddisk or battery ?
10:53:34GodEateryes, but *what* hardware ?:)
10:53:52mak3i think the main board.
10:53:59mak3first it was only the display
10:54:08w1ll14mwhat do you get when you power it on ?
10:54:23mak3i could used it anyway but then after a while it doesnt boot anymore
10:54:45mak3it doesnt power on
10:55:03w1ll14mor is the display dead /
10:55:49w1ll14mi would say open it up, check the cables. else it could be your mainboard indeed
10:56:06mak3i sent it too
10:56:17mak3he said it needs display/motherboard replacement
10:56:36*GodEater never trusts those online repair outlets
10:57:08w1ll14mi don't trust them ether
10:58:19mak3hm if its only a cable i would need a new display anyway.
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11:01:15w1ll14mi would search for ipod's with a dead harddisl.
11:04:46w1ll14mcould be a lot cheaper :)
11:04:53mak30 results found for ipod death harddisk. ^^
11:05:04mak3oh dead.
11:05:13mak3hmm the same
11:05:21DerPapstsearch for broken ipods
11:05:54mak3good idea
11:06:09DerPapsti know. it's from me :P
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11:08:31mak3what about this?|39%3A1|66%3A2|65%3A12|240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
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11:14:24mak3hmm, i found a cheap working ipod video 60gb. ;)
11:17:05w1ll14mi really hate those new ipods
11:17:12w1ll14mdamn encryption
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11:17:38haviennew ones have encrypted firmware?
11:17:45mak3yeah very bad move from apple
11:17:51w1ll14mnano 2g and up
11:18:02w1ll14mand new ipod classic
11:18:09lol3izer_not 2g
11:18:21w1ll14mnano 2g has encrypted firmware
11:18:43havienanyway to pull the data from the usb port during a firmware upgrade? or is it all done inside the ipod itself?
11:18:56w1ll14mit's done on the ipod itself
11:19:04w1ll14mthe encryption key is stored in the cpu i believe
11:19:26B4gderthe decryption key even
11:19:31lol3izer_w1ll14m, no it dosent
11:19:39lol3izer_how is there a port in progress then?
11:19:53GodEaterlol3izer_: yes it does
11:19:54scorchelol3izer_: there isnt really one..
11:19:55havienso its a identical key on every cpu?
11:20:40lol3izer_it can probly be updated
11:20:50B4gdernot that the cpu has to have the same, but the firmwares would be tricky to make for different keys
11:21:04B4gderlol3izer_: these things tend to burn fuses on production
11:21:05GodEaterthe difference between the 2G Nano and later models is that Apple didn't hide the firmware on the iPod away, you can still get to it, even if it's encrypted.
11:21:09B4gderie non-changeable
11:21:09w1ll14mlinux4nano is a project aiming on cracking the key... but they haven't made much progress
11:21:18haviencan the same file be used on multipul ipods?
11:21:51GodEaterhavien: of course, how else would apple issue firmware upgrades ?
11:22:42haviensorry thinking along a different line of thought
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11:23:26lol3izer_i think the key will be like it was on the psp
11:23:31lol3izer_finding an exploit in the firmware
11:23:50scorchelol3izer_: go for it ;)
11:24:16havienwell thinking that the key could be removed from a cpu by any means necessary
11:24:31w1ll14mlol3izer: the ipod would have been hacked if that was true
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11:24:58lol3izer_w1ll14m, dont be daft
11:25:14lol3izer_so you are saying the firmware is 100% foolproof
11:25:17lol3izer_and because it hasnt happened yet
11:25:19lol3izer_it cant happen?
11:25:20havienany ideas on exactly what chip it is?
11:25:47scorcheis this going to get productive any time soon?
11:25:48w1ll14mlinux4nano thinks the key is stored in the SST39WF800A chip
11:25:59w1ll14mthe bootloader rom should be located there
11:26:13w1ll14mbut if it contains the decryption code
11:26:19w1ll14mno one knows
11:26:30lol3izer_well somone does ;)
11:26:44GodEaterno-one that's not bound by an NDA
11:27:18linuxstbw1ll14m: I would expect the decryption to be in a small ROM embedded in the CPU. I think linux4nano have dumped the contents of that chip, and it's encrypted.
11:27:43haviengrrr i hate BGA chips
11:28:00lol3izer_gonna take a whole lot of logic probinh
11:28:42w1ll14mlinuxstb, that's what i'm thinking too
11:28:57w1ll14mbecause the still haven't extracted the key, because the contents of the rom are also encrypted
11:29:26linuxstbNo, the ROM can't be encrypted - at some point, there needs to be actual ARM code for the CPU to run...
11:29:43linuxstbBut the ROM is simply not accessible...
11:31:06w1ll14mi would say, a miniature bootloader in cpu, loads and decrypts bootloader to ram, bootloader ram loads and decrypts firmware
11:31:08w1ll14mbut i'm simply guessing
11:32:04lol3izer_is the ram itself encrypted?
11:32:17GodEaterI doubt it
11:32:26GodEaterbut how would you find out ?
11:32:43lol3izer_probe the ram
11:33:04GodEaterlol3izer_: with what ?
11:33:10lol3izer_idk :(
11:33:31B4gderwhy would it have encrypted ram anyway?
11:33:38lol3izer_but its fun, a system like that is comming to a computer near you
11:33:58lol3izer_intel has been designing cpus that can execute encrypted instructions
11:34:16B4gderyes it is theoretically possible to much such cpus
11:34:30B4gderbut that doesn't answer "why" in the ipod case
11:34:36lol3izer_yea not much sense there
11:34:41w1ll14mfirmware encryption should just die
11:34:49havienyou could probe the ram with a logic analizer and log the output on the r/w bus
11:35:09B4gdergo ahead
11:35:29w1ll14mwe'll be monitoring from here :)
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11:38:21havienlol3izer_ about your intel cpus that run encrypted code... it would seem to be easy to figure unless the key could be changed in the cpu
11:38:39lol3izer_its loaded on runtime
11:38:56havienhow is that more secure?
11:40:08haviensince you could pull it inroute... or you could just pull it from the any of the rom's
11:40:42lol3izer_not entirely sure
11:40:54lol3izer_its all part of the whole "trusted computing" thing
11:40:55havienalthough you do pose a very interesing compsec idea
11:41:04gevaertsvitja: how would that work
11:41:10lol3izer_or whatever the hell the are calling it now
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11:43:34vitjagevaerts: hmm data written to ep descriptor should reflect actual HW configuration
11:44:14havienlol intel (TXT)
11:44:35mcuelenaerehere2code: around?
11:44:55*DerPapst shoves havien and lol3izer_ over to -community
11:45:16vitjagevaerts: can one device use two configurations at same time?
11:45:52gevaertsOnly one configuration, but you can have multiple interfaces, i.e. you can do e.g. mass storage and serial at the same time
11:46:36gevaertsThat actually works with the current usb stack on gigabeat and portalplayer
11:47:00vitjagevaerts: okay for example I need input to be set to 1 and output to 2
11:47:14vitjaso why not hardcode endpoint numbers?
11:47:24haviensorry DerPapst but lol3izer_ that entier article is all about software based security nothing in it refers specificaly to hardware security
11:47:42vitjabtw, I found some bugs in serial circular buffer and implemented receiveing
11:48:53gevaertsThe problem is that the current stack assumes endpoint pairs to share a number. Hardcoding would solve that, but at the cost of making future extensions harder (i.e. selectable mass storage or audio)
11:49:14gevaertsI'll work on solving that properly that tonight
11:49:37vitjagevaerts: okay thanks
11:49:59DerPapsthavien: just type /join #rockbox-community and i stop comlaining ;)
11:50:03vitjagevaerts: why should it be a problem "selectable mass storage or audio"?
11:50:11DerPapst*complaining even
11:52:34gevaertsvitja: different device classes ("protocols") need different numbers of endpoints, so if you hardcode endpoint numbers combining device classes gets hard (i.e. you may want serial+mtp, or mtp+audio, or serial+audio. The hardware may not have enough endpoints to assign uique ones to everything)
11:52:48havienok DerPapst you talked me into it
11:53:33gevaertsvitja: of course maybe I'm overengineering things. I'll think about this a bit more
11:54:26vitjagevaerts: not all hardware support bidirectional endpoints so there should be at least on for recv and one for send
11:55:16gevaertsYes. That assumption is the real bug right now
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12:13:55w1ll14mB4gder, is there a place where i could find the 'old' libdumb ?
12:14:26w1ll14mi'd like to take a look at the math they had there
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12:30:32chr12I'm looking to get a new mp3 soon, and I'd like to get one that works well with rockbox. What model would you guys recommend?
12:31:22voltagexchr12: depends, New new, or new second hand?
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12:31:31chr12New new?
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12:31:38chr12Well, probably refurbished. I'm a big believer of ebay.
12:32:11voltagexchr12: sansa c200, version one, and h340 I both have good experience with
12:32:12*Nico_P can't get a download
12:32:27voltagexbut I'll leave it to others to recommend better than I can
12:33:59chr12voltagex: Is the screen large enough for typical use? The iPods seem to have a fair bit more screen space.
12:34:23voltagexGodEater: thanks...
12:34:49chr12Thanks GodEater
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12:40:28*Nico_P would've preferred the 3.0 version string to be simply "3.0"
12:40:45voltagexNico_P: it's only a version string.
12:40:47orly_owlwoooooo 3.0!
12:45:59haviencan't wiat for 3.11
12:46:11havienwas the best ver before they screwed it all up
12:47:51GodEaterbest version of what ?
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12:50:16lol3izer_im waiting for 3.11 rockbox for workgroups
12:53:45*massiveH waits for rockbox nt
12:57:05havienor 3.5?
12:58:10GodEaterexpect Rockbox NT shortly after GNU ships a stable Hurd
12:58:55*orly_owl holds his breath.
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13:14:39roberthis there any port for ipod classic under way?
13:15:42orly_owlwe dont take kindly to ipods around here
13:16:04B4gder"dear mr Jobs, I'm sending my Ipod Classic back for a refund since the dues in Rockbox have no version for it and you make it very hard for us"
13:16:19B4gderthere, print it out and send it away! ;-)
13:16:29B4gdereven though I can't spell
13:16:38roberthi dont own one, but i want to buy, but i use flac mainly so i can play my music on it
13:17:19massiveHrockbox works great on my iriver h340
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13:18:32shim`workHi guys - do you plan on making rockbox available for iPod nano g2?
13:19:57B4gder1) we don't "plan" ports, they're just made by the people who wants to
13:20:05orly_owlive lost track of all the ipod models. mainly because i dont care
13:20:05B4gder2) the nano 2nd gen is a hard nut to crack
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13:41:21pip:O rockbox is real
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13:41:51GodEaterpip: you thought it wasn't ?
13:41:58pipdibmonkey, what does dib mean ?
13:42:01orly_owlit's fake
13:42:12massiveHpip, did you think it was a large joke project or something?
13:42:13orly_owlall it does is say 'hello world' on your dap
13:42:19GodEaterdib? Where did you read it ?
13:42:24GodEaterorly_owl: stop that please
13:42:33orly_owlFair enough.
13:42:33*pip thinks he got laughed at
13:42:45dibmonkeypip: it's just a silly reference to Invader Zim
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13:43:43SeeSchlosshmm... any news regarding newer iPod nanos ?
13:43:50Nico_P :)
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13:44:07LambdaCalculus37SeeSchloss: No port, no information, no timeframe.
13:44:22B4gderyes, atm basically all visitors come from slashdot
13:44:27SeeSchlossLambdaCalculus37: okay okay
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13:45:51*GodEater imagines slowly melting into a tin puddle on the floor of the haxx server room
13:46:04pipwhat does rockbox look like ?
13:46:11GodEaterI wonder how much BW you need to survive a /.ing
13:46:21GodEaterpip: pretty much whatever you want
13:46:24GodEaterit's fully customisable
13:46:32orly_owlyou guys made it to boingboing
13:46:43GodEaterthe wikipedia article about it features a few screenshots iirc
13:46:50GodEaterorly_owl: yeah, Cory is a fan
13:47:33orly_owlhe would be. he likes this kinda stuff
13:47:40pipCool : )
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13:51:06dibmonkeyI'm currently a bit stuck guys, been away from the rockbox project for a while and I've forgotten how things work. On my iriver h140, on bootup, it says "Vers: CVS-061217", (pretty old, eh?) and i recall flashing rockbox to ROM. I've downloaded the 3.0 release, updated .rockbox on the player (but it still says 061217 on bootup), and downloaded newer bootloader_h120_7pre4 and moved it to .rockbox. However, when I try to upgrade the
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13:52:31GodEaterdibmonkey: that clipped off at "When I try to upgrade the"
13:52:45dibmonkeyreally? heh.
13:52:59dibmonkeyHowever, when I try to upgrade the new bootloader, there are no plugins in the "open with..." menu. I think this is because, in my old rockbox, the iriver_flash viewer was in /.rockbox/viewers/iriver_flash rather than /.rockbox/rocks/viwers/iriver_flash where it is now. How can I fix this? Can i just move the iriver_flash plugin to /.rockbox/viewers and see if that works?
13:53:14dibmonkeyto the newer bootloader*
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13:54:30GodEaterdibmonkey: does your current bootloader allow you to still load rockbox from disk ?
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13:55:01GodEaterbecause simply moving things around won't help you if you're still loading from rom
13:55:18GodEaterthe new version of the iriver_flash plugin won't work with the rockbox you have stored there
13:55:27dibmonkeyIt's definitely flashed to ROM.
13:55:32dibmonkeyah okay
13:55:44GodEaterI'm sure it is
13:55:49dibmonkeyi'll restore the old /.rockbox/viewers from my recycle bin then
13:56:10dibmonkeythen i have the old iriver_flash back in the old location
13:56:12GodEaterso your bootloader doesn't support running from disk?
13:56:17GodEaterdo you know which version of the bootloader it is ?
13:56:47dibmonkeyno idea
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13:56:57dibmonkeybut its probably from around december 2006
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13:57:38dibmonkeyi dont think it supports running from disk, otherwise when i deleted my old .rockbox and replaced it with the new 3.0 .rockbox, it would say "3.0 release" on bootup rather than CVS-061217?
13:57:42GodEaterit might tell you if you try turning on while hold is switched on
13:57:55GodEaterdibmonkey: not if it defaults to running from ROM
13:58:03GodEaterit'll still be loading the one you flashed there
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13:58:18GodEaterbut the bootloader should present a menu asking you which version you'd like to boot
13:58:37salty-horsehi. missing period in "multitude of codecs[.] See" −−
13:59:24dibmonkeyhehe, when i turn on with the hold button, it just says hold button is on - switching off
13:59:32dibmonkeytheres a bootloader version there too, lemme see if i can get it
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13:59:56GodEaterdibmonkey: if you take a look in the H140 manual, it'll probably tell you which button to push to get the menu up so you can choose which version to boot
13:59:57dibmonkeybootloader version 060811-2251
14:00:22GodEaterI don't even remember if that's an official one :(
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14:00:49dibmonkeyit probably is
14:01:34dibmonkeyi think i should just upgrade to the new bootloader with the old iriver_flash restored to where i deleted it from :P
14:01:54dibmonkeyi'd be alright if i obeyed commands to unzip to root, rather than unzip to harddrive and see what's new ;p
14:01:59*GodEater thinks dibmonkey is braver than he is
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14:03:52dibmonkeyyou've scared me now :P
14:04:13dibmonkeyi'd be fine as long as the old iriver_flash can upgrade my very old bootloader to the new one
14:04:36dibmonkeyor should i try putting the new iriver_flash in the old location for viewers, and using that one to upgrade to the new bootloader?
14:04:53dibmonkey"H120/H140 bootloader, version 7-pre4 (Install the latest current build before flashing the new bootloader). " is from
14:05:09dibmonkeydoes that imply i should use the new iriver_flash to upgrade?
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14:08:58dibmonkeyso i just have the choice, whether to use the new iriver_flash or the old one
14:09:00dibmonkeyflip a coin? ;)
14:09:20GodEaterthe newer iriver_flash will NOT run the with your older build of Rockbox
14:09:32GodEaterthey are incompatible
14:09:46GodEateryou have no choice, you'll have to use the old one
14:09:54dibmonkeyokay dokey
14:10:05GodEateror the old firmware
14:10:07GodEaterif you still have it
14:10:47preglowsite struggling?
14:11:03GodEater/. effect
14:11:21preglowoh, we've been slashdotted
14:11:36preglowi think it's holding up quite nice then :P
14:11:55GodEaterBagder isn't actually on fire yet
14:11:57GodEaterso we're doing ok
14:12:08preglowhope people don't smoke near him
14:12:09dibmonkeyshould i delete the new rocks/viewers folder before upgrading bootloader?
14:12:16preglowsomeone should put up a sign
14:12:28dibmonkeyjust want to make sure it doesnt try using the new iriver_flash
14:12:37dibmonkeyor will it just say "incompatible"
14:12:44dibmonkeyrather than bricking it
14:13:13GodEaterdibmonkey: it will just refuse to run, so you don't need to
14:13:38*GodEater goes to lunch
14:14:32dibmonkeyuh oh
14:14:39dibmonkeyit said incompatible bootloader
14:15:36dibmonkeyplayer's still fine
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14:16:02dibmonkeybut it doesnt seem like i can use my old iriver_flash plugin to update to the new bootloader either :P
14:17:20dibmonkeyshould i try finding a less recent bootloader that my old iriver_flash can still upgrade to, and then using the new iriver_flash to upgrade that one to the latest?
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14:25:48dibmonkeynow trying vers 7 pre 3, instead of vers 7 pre 4
14:26:03dibmonkeyIncompatible/untested bootloader
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14:34:28dibmonkeyso what should i try now? are there any less recent bootloaders about that i could upgrade to as a middle stage?
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14:34:40dibmonkeyor is it easier just to uninstall and install the new one
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14:49:28GodEaterdibmonkey: Slasheri is the real expert here
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14:55:10GodEaterdibmonkey: I assume you have no access to the original firmware either ?
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14:55:43dibmonkeythe iriver firmware? nope, its been flashed over
14:56:28XavierGrdibmonkey: sorry, what's your problem again? (just logged on and I can't read the logs)
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14:56:55GodEatercursed slashdot!
14:57:02XavierGrindeed :P
14:57:12GodEaterXavierGr: he's running some ancient bootloader on his iriver which has a flashed rockbox image
14:57:22dibmonkeyi have a very old bootloader on my iriver h140, 060811-2251, and want to upgrade to bootloader_h120_7pre4
14:57:29iSparrowSo does Rockbox 3.0 solve the video-out issue for the iPod?:)
14:57:36GodEaterhe's trying to upgrade to a later bootloader, but can't - because the iriver_flash plugin won't let him
14:57:38dibmonkeybut my old iriver_flash cant upgrade it
14:57:50GodEateriSparrow: 3.0 brings no features that weren't already in SVN
14:57:51XavierGrdibmonkey: I think there is a way to restore the OF
14:58:31dibmonkeyyeah, but isnt there a direct way to upgrade it?
14:58:39XavierGrdibmonkey: then you can flash the OF again with rockbox and then completely remove the OF with the new bootloader
14:59:01XavierGrdibmonkey: I am not sure if you can do this on an old bootloader (direct upgrade)
14:59:09XavierGrdibmonkey: to be sure you have to ask Slasheri
14:59:34XavierGrdibmonkey: also about restoring the OF you should carefully read the wiki, which is down at the moment
14:59:51iSparrowGodEater: Thanks.
15:00:26dibmonkey" If you want to restore the original firmware, you can do so by using a file from either one of these methods:
15:00:26dibmonkey Convert an original firmware provided by iRiver from ihp_120.hex to ihp_120.bin
15:00:26dibmonkeyUse an existing flash rom backup image file To restore the flash contents of the firmware section (bootloader will be always kept untouched, however we need to re-flash the critical reset vector sector), open the file from either one of the previously mentioned methods by iriver_flash and the contents of the original firmware section will be restored from the file. "
15:00:34dibmonkeyis what it says on the wiki page for iriverflashing
15:01:11dibmonkeymethod #2 sounds complicated :p
15:01:21dibmonkeyso yeah, i'll just do #1
15:01:55XavierGrdibmonkey: by convert it doesn't mean rename (just letting you know)
15:02:17dibmonkeyhehe, lucky im not that silly =)
15:02:39XavierGrdibmonkey: does your bootloader have the boot menu with the hold switch?
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15:03:01dibmonkeyjust says bootloader version and turns off
15:03:08XavierGrso you can't start rockbox from disk?
15:03:18GodEaterXavierGr: I did this conversation already :)
15:03:26XavierGrGodEater: sorry....
15:03:59XavierGrI wish I could read the logs at times like these
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15:04:56Slasheridibmonkey: hi, you have to start latest build of rockbox from disk and then using the latest iriver_flash plugin to flash the latest bootloader
15:05:34Slasherithat should do it, no matter what bootloader you currently have installed on it
15:05:36XavierGrwasn't there a buttong to press on boot to start rockbox from disk (before the bootmenu)
15:05:54dibmonkeyahh i think you might be right XavierGr
15:05:59Slasheriyes, the rec button
15:06:11Slasherion the very old version of the flashing capable boot loader
15:06:16Slashericurrent bootloaders have a boot menu
15:06:19XavierGrah then as slasheri suggested you need to start from disk
15:06:22GodEaterand he really DOES have an old one ;)
15:06:29XavierGrbecause if you don't you run an old verion of iriver_flash
15:06:47XavierGr(which lies in your flash now)
15:06:57*GodEater assumes dibmonkey hasn't removed the version of rockbox he's just unzipped to his iriver
15:07:16SlasheriXavierGr: in fact an old version of rockbox which have incompatible plugin api to the current iriver_flash plugin
15:07:54XavierGrah yes, my mistake
15:08:16XavierGronly the firmware goes to flash right?
15:09:31Slasheri(need to leave from work now, back later again)
15:09:47XavierGrdibmonkey: also every time you need to update a build (and want to start from ram) you have to start from disk (via the bootmenu which gets enabled with hold) and then run iriver_flash with rockbox.iriver for ram and rombox.iriver for rom)
15:10:51XavierGrobviously the rombox.iriver must be opened with iriver_flash if you want to boot from rom
15:10:52XavierGrI hope I didn't confuse you more
15:11:03GodEaterclear as mud XavierGr :)
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15:13:38XavierGrIs there a plan to update the official bootloaders for iriver coldfire targets (H300 & H100)?
15:14:00XavierGrIf I am not mistaken the last official H100 bootloader still doesn't have the flash capability
15:15:07dibmonkeyicons? on my rockbox?!
15:15:12XavierGrand H300 needs enabling of the RTC alarm function and/or car adapter mode (that means having to press a button to select bootloader charging/usb)
15:15:39dibmonkeyworks great guys, i upgraded the bootloader and flashed to ROM
15:16:03dibmonkeythe flashing to RAM option is certainly new to me
15:16:05XavierGrdibmonkey: remember to see the bootmenu and select your default botting method
15:16:29dibmonkeyyeah i set default as ROM
15:16:37dibmonkeywhat's the point of flashing to RAM as well?
15:16:46bertrikhmm, was it really necessary to create yet another sansa page (SanDiskSansa) and mostly empty too?
15:17:25XavierGrdibmonkey: well rom means that it runs the firmware from rom (without copying to ram first). Also it can have slower execution
15:18:18XavierGrdibmonkey: the ram option does this: copy the firmware from rom to ram and execture from ram. While faster than rom you loose a little bit ram (e.g audio buffer)
15:18:51XavierGrmy preference is ram because H120 has 32MB ram and rockbox firmware is too small to be significant on the ram
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15:19:23dibmonkeyso shouldnt see a much of a reduced battery life from reduced audio buffer?
15:19:44XavierGrhow many kilobytes is your rockbox.iriver?
15:20:04XavierGrdo the math and you will see it is a very very small gain
15:20:42XavierGrthe rom option was very handy for low memory targets like the archos. These targets have only 2MB ram, so every little bit helps a lot
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15:23:06dibmonkeymy rockbox.iriver from 2006/12/17 is 350KB, 3.0 one is 388KB
15:23:13dibmonkeyglad to see it hasnt got bloated :P
15:23:31funmanis that the firmware without plugins ?
15:23:43funmani.e. with no decoders?
15:24:08dibmonkeyand just to check, i can delete my old bootloader.iriver and rockbox.iriver from root now, yeah?
15:24:35XavierGrdibmonkey: if you have database enabled on ram you should know that it has much larger cost in ram than the firmware :P
15:24:38XavierGrdibmonkey: yes
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15:24:48dibmonkeyinterestingly the new bootloader is 13KB smaller than the old one
15:26:41LinusNthey shrunk just recently
15:26:46XavierGrdibmonkey: also (IIRC) the same applies for dircache (which lies in ram) it costs more ram than the firmware
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15:27:36dibmonkeyhehe, i have some catching up to do
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15:28:02dibmonkeywhen i was last around, the bug with h300 series having much lower battery life had only recently been fixed
15:28:21dibmonkeysomething to do with the USB-OTG checking not being disabled
15:29:16XavierGryeah you remember right
15:29:23XavierGrbut that was ages ago :P
15:30:02XavierGrif only we could flash the H300 just like H100...
15:30:33XavierGrand if I am not mistaken on H300 both firmwares (OF and rockbox) can fit in rom
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15:30:54dibmonkeyyeah i have an h340 too
15:31:13dibmonkeywhy isn't it flashable yet? is there a big difference between it and a h100 flashing process?
15:31:19dibmonkeyor is it just that nobody's coded it
15:31:44XavierGrthe second, nobody did it, also it is dangerous so limited number of people can code it
15:32:16dibmonkeyunderstandable, nobody wants to brick their beautiful iriveres
15:32:36XavierGronly Slasheri was brave enough to code and flash his H100 without proper equipment to restore it if something went wrong, or should I say "Flasheri" :P (those were the days :)
15:33:32dibmonkeyhaha, brave
15:34:33LinusNi really wish i had the time to work on that stuff
15:34:51funmanI find weird error codes in sansav2 OF: -3577
15:35:02funmana bit too big in my opinion
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15:35:38LinusNfunman: you mean you wonder what the other 3576 errors are? :-)
15:36:13funmannot really, I found like maximum 10 different codes
15:36:24funmanmaybe because I'm always looking in the same places ;)
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15:59:18dibmonkeyhmm, one area of my h140 screen is slightly lighty than the rest of the screen, maybe i left it in a place that gets some sun :/
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16:21:35funman all the negative numbers <= 2^12 in the sansa clip of
16:22:19funmana bit scattered
16:22:48ShoopufI think mine is a Nano 2nd Generation, is that compatible with rockbox?
16:23:02LambdaCalculus37Shoopuf: No. But double check the model here:
16:23:10BigBambiShoopuf. The very first hit on google for "Which ipod do I have" is
16:23:27domonokyShoopuf: either check apples website, to identify your ipod, or try autodetection with rbutil. if it doesnt find your ipod, its probably a unsupported one :-)
16:23:53Shoopufok it's definitely ipod nano 2nd generation
16:24:21BigBambibad luck :(
16:24:37Shoopufoh well :P thanks anyway
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16:25:36funmanoh there is a 4th generation of nano
16:25:47BigBambiindeed there is
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16:29:35funmanI assume the firmware is encrypted as well
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16:31:00funkydoes the power management have been improved since 2.5 ?
16:31:44funkyI quit using rockbox because the duration of the battery, twice using the original firmware
16:32:11BigBambiOn an archos?
16:32:56BigBambi2.5 was never released for ipod
16:33:06domonokycan someone with a mac test this new rbutil mac version ?">
16:33:06BigBambiIt was archos only, and 3 years ago
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16:33:36BigBambifunky: When did you last try?
16:33:40funkyI don't remember what version I used, I've read that the previous one was 2.5, so I thought that was mine
16:33:53funkyBigBambi: mmmmm, I'd say more than 1 year ago
16:33:55funkymaybe 2
16:33:59domonoky2.5 was archos only, but runtime for ipods has increased, its now nearly like the original (on some even better) ..
16:34:03BigBambiBattery is much better since then
16:34:14funkyok, then I'll install it again, thanks
16:34:16BigBambiIt beats the.. what domonoky said
16:35:21funkydomonoky: do you know which ones are those that battery works even bettern than using the original firm?
16:35:50funkythe site is sooo slow
16:35:55funkyI can't read it by myself
16:36:16funky Very stable. Battery life has been improved, but there is still room for improvement.
16:36:19BigBambiOn all players except some ipods - the 1st-3rd gen are definatley better than OF, not sure about the others
16:36:20ebilDoes anyone know whether or not rockbox will work with my ipod enabled Pioneer head unit in my car? (it is direct USB input, it doesn't go through an 'adapter box'
16:36:20*domonoky doesnt know which one, and the site is slow, because of too much visitors :-)
16:36:58BigBambiebil: It might do, if not there is a patch that might help
16:37:04funky"there is still room for improvement"
16:37:11ebilBigBambi, awesome.
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16:37:19BigBambifunky: yes, you have already said that once
16:37:26ebilBigBambi, does it use the itunes db format? or a differing one?
16:37:30funkyBigBambi: :P
16:37:30BigBambiAnd I don't know what you are trying to say
16:37:47BigBambiebil: No, our own
16:37:48GodEaterebil: Rockbox doesn't use any part of itunes
16:37:51BigBambiebil: Rockbox runs on many many players other than ipods
16:38:02funkynah, I was just emphasizing that I found what I was looking for
16:38:06BigBambiebil: And you don't have to use the database
16:38:14BigBambifunky depends where and when
16:38:28BigBambifunky: If it is on some random site I highly doubt the accuracy
16:38:34ebilBigBambi, oh, cool. I'll give it a shot anyhow (just as soon as my car+radio gets back from the shop :))
16:38:49BigBambiebil: You know Rockbox can dual-boot right?
16:39:29GodEaterebil: and that it can build it's own database based on the music that itunes has loaded onto your ipod ?
16:39:29ebilBigBambi, Hmmm. that's interesting. and it keeps the same "firmware partition + music partition" format? if so, awesome
16:39:41GodEaterebil: yes, it doesn't damage the disk layout
16:39:41ebilGodEater, ok, I'm trying it out then!
16:39:55BigBambifunky: On the video I think that whilst close now, the OF runtime is still a little better. However, on most players Rockbox runs on, Rockbox battery life is much better
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16:40:27GodEaterwe also do not recommend using Rockbox for watching videos on the ipod video - the OF is still much better for that (ironic isn't it?)
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16:40:46BigBambiDamn apple and their obsession with control
16:41:17BigBambi(and all the other companies that refuse to give out documentation)
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16:43:51funmanand Sandisk which uses weird chips ;)
16:44:57LambdaCalculus37funman: Well, nowadays... ;)
16:45:09LambdaCalculus37It wasn't so bad when the Sansa lines had PP and TCC chips.
16:45:57GodEaterwhen did /. introduce a time delay between comment submissions ?1?!?!
16:46:08funkyok, thank you for the info guys
16:46:17funkyI'll try it out tonight
16:46:31lol3izer_godEater: its always been there
16:46:36lol3izer_your comment wont show up immediately
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16:47:02GodEaterlol3izer_: no it bloody hasn't always been there
16:47:08lol3izer_yes it has
16:47:21lol3izer_i remeber it going years back
16:47:27lol3izer_sometimes its longer, sometimes it isnt
16:47:28GodEaterlook mush, I've been using /. since 1997, and it has NOT always been there
16:47:37lol3izer_bah humbug
16:47:52BigBambiPerhaps you too could argue about this in -community?
16:48:31domonokyis someone with access to the download servers here ? ("> should be moved to our download severs, please !! :-) )
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16:49:09GodEaterBigBambi: and you can shove it too :P
16:50:40funmanLambdaCalculus37: because these are well documented?
16:50:54funmanor well reverse engineered maybe
16:51:32BigBambifunman: certainly not well documented
16:52:05funmanhas rockbox received threats from hardware companies ?
16:52:23LambdaCalculus37funman: SanDisk sent a dev board to Bagder.
16:52:24funmanfor having reverse engineered / published source code and or articles which reveals hardware details
16:52:30funmanyep I read that
16:52:35BigBambiReverse engineering is perfectly legal
16:52:47funmanApple gave a $8000 worth server to videolan
16:53:18funmanafter threatening them for cracking some itunes drm
16:53:54BigBambiUS laws of that sort of thing don't apply outside the US
16:54:05BigBambiand given Rockbox is hosted etc. in Sweden
16:54:12funmanyou refer to dmca ?
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16:55:12funmanI did not check if I had to accept a licence when buying my clip
16:55:34funmanI know that some software licences specifically forbids reverse engineering but i'm not sure if this provision is legal anyway ..
16:55:37BigBambiThings like EULAs are meaningless too
16:56:05funmanit's worth a try and make the law departement happy ;)
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16:56:38lol3izer_BigBambi, it depends where you are
16:57:06BigBambilol3izer_: Right, and Rockbox is in Europe, specifically Sweden
16:57:16domonokylicence agreements which you can not see before buying are meaningless in (parts of) europe...
16:57:54BigBambiIt is possible that US contributors might want to check, but Rockbox as a whole and those of us in the EU, we can ignore that crap for what it is - crap
16:58:11funmane250 - $34 looks interesting ...
16:59:32funmandoes it mean sent back by the shop or the customer?
16:59:55BigBambiEither, then inspected and fixed by the manufacturer
16:59:57lol3izer_most likely the customer
17:00:10lol3izer_i would think anyways
17:00:36lol3izer_hrm, is there basicly zero chance of the ipod's video hardware being supported?
17:00:37BigBambiyes, I agree. However it doesn't really matter who sent it back
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17:01:07BigBambilol3izer_: Unless someone spends a huge amount of time reverse engineering, or broadcom or apple release the data sheet
17:01:16funmanor someone steel it
17:01:33BigBambiIn which case we wouldn't/couldn't use it
17:01:51lol3izer_well, broadcomm HAS released specs before
17:02:02BigBambispecs are no good
17:02:06lol3izer_so, its not entirely outside the relm of possibillity
17:02:09funmanvideo dsp are somehow protected
17:02:11lol3izer_i mean, a data sheet
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17:02:39funmanwhen h264 will be obsolete by years, why not
17:02:57lol3izer_h264 is going to be around for a good long time
17:03:27BigBambiThis discussion is getting rqther off-topic now
17:03:29domonokysomeone could also buy a bulkload of this videochips, then you surely get the datasheet. (but what would you do with a 100k video chips :-) )
17:03:43BigBambiA huge amount of money plus a NDA?
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17:11:11funmanI am bored reading disassembly of sansav2 firmware :(
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17:13:44GodEaterwe support chiptune already don't we ?
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17:15:06domonokyGodEater: jup, chiptunes normally means tracker music, and we support sid, sap and others :-)
17:15:27lol3izer_is xm supported?
17:16:06GodEaternot sure - I would check in the wiki
17:16:08GodEaterbut it's melted
17:16:42LambdaCalculus37XM isn't supported.
17:16:54LambdaCalculus37Only NSF, SPC, SID, MOD, and SAP.
17:17:23GodEaterLambdaCalculus37: would you enlighten the chap in the feature requests section then please ?
17:17:38lol3izer_its all down down down down :(
17:18:10domonokyits not down, just overloaded...
17:18:19LambdaCalculus37GodEater: Yes, sir! :)
17:18:20domonokyie. slashdotted
17:18:20GodEaterthe forums are far from overloaded
17:18:26GodEaterthey're just fine
17:18:41domonokyforum is fine, but the website and wiki not :-)
17:18:52GodEaterno, they've been nuked from orbit
17:19:07GodEateror possibly just had harsh language used on them
17:19:09GodEaterI forget whcih
17:19:14GodEater(name that film)
17:21:23GodEaterI wonder what the www stats will look like for today
17:21:34GodEaterI take it as a bad sign that Bagder logged out just as we hit /.
17:21:43GodEaterI'm assuming someone at haxx started shouting at him :(
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17:38:44orly_owlYou made /.
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17:39:03BigBambiwe know, a developer submitted it :)
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17:39:17orly_owlerr ok
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17:40:27domonokywe have a pretty good news coverage, i am impressed...
17:40:35BigBambiMe too
17:41:12BigBambiorly_owl: You can also tell we made /. becuase the site has melted :)
17:42:11orly_owlheh yeah it's been tagged 'slashdotted'
17:45:33ebilwoohoo! the download page came up :)
17:46:03ebilfinally lol. slashdot be damned!
17:46:50BigBambiNo nice pictures to help you, but loads quicker :)
17:47:12BigBambi more specifically
17:47:53DerPapstthat URL belongs in the topic /me thinks ;)
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18:23:12dibmonkeywhat's the difference between 08-Rockbox-Propfont and 08-Rockfont?
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18:28:16dibmonkeyand why is rockfont 25kb larger?
18:29:44gevaertsdibmonkey: rockfont has more characters (so it supports more languages)
18:30:06gevaertsI expect that the Propfont one is proportional, while the other one is fixed width
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18:34:24ebilweird. I just installed the bootloader (gen1 nano) and rebooted, and it just loads the iPod 'OS' not rockbox (I have a .rockbox in /dev/sda2)
18:35:54dibmonkeygevaets: okay, thanks
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18:36:44ebilapparently it didn't take? weird...
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18:53:30domonokyebil: is your hold switch enabled ?
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18:54:14dibmonkeyerrr, okay, so i was just using the disktidy facility, with all junk files set to remove
18:54:21dibmonkeyand then when i look down again, my player says
18:54:27dibmonkeyStkov main
18:54:36dibmonkeyshould i be panicing? ¬_¬
18:55:09domonokydibmonkey: no panic needed :-) just reboot..
18:55:28ebildomonoky, no, I tried a second time and it worked though. :)
18:55:45domonokyebil: good
18:56:33dibmonkeyi dont like it when rockbox tells me to panic :P
18:57:21domonokyperhaps we should change the error to: "Dont Panic!" :-)
18:58:21dibmonkey"Just kidding!"
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19:07:01lol3izer_dibmonkey, in the computer world a panic is a kernel error
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19:09:01lol3izer_in windows its a blue screen of death
19:09:12dibmonkeywell, linux distros say 'kernel panic'
19:09:14dibmonkeyrather than
19:09:37LambdaCalculus37dibmonkey: Keep it on-topic.
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19:19:31breitihi there.. i have some problem... ^^ iam using linux (gentoo) and i want install a theme font manuelly cause the site doesnt work.. so i downloadet and extract its in roots home (rbuildqt is also startet from root) but it cant find the font... what is to do?
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19:22:07domonokywhat is a theme or a font ? :-) , but anyway, just extract the zip directly to your player, the files will go to the right place
19:22:40breitito the player?
19:22:44breitio.O ok i will try
19:23:30domonokyyou probably dont see anything, because the files are in .rockbox dir which is hidden on linux (all dirs starting with a . are hidden in linux)
19:23:32breitino he cant found the local theme o.O
19:23:40breitiyeah i know
19:23:48breitii copied .rockbox to /media/ipod
19:24:26breitibut it just said that there it cant download the themes cause the system is broken
19:24:28domonokyrbutil trys to contact a theme site (which is down at moment) so you have install the theme manually, ie just extract the zip to your player, and choose the new theme in rockbox
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19:24:39breitidomonoky, nah
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19:24:48breitidomonoky, i selected full install
19:24:54breitibut it aborted at this theme
19:25:06breitijust restart iPod anyway?
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19:25:43*domonoky is one of the rbutil devs, so i know what it does... the theme site id down at moment. But extra themes are optional. so dont worry..
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19:28:53breitirockbox is so slow o.O
19:29:06breition my ipod nano 1st gen
19:29:39domonokywhat do you mean with slow ?
19:30:03breitithe wheel is really unsensible and not precise for example
19:30:34breitiand i cant enter any menupoint with the set button
19:31:14domonokytake a look at the manual, on which key does what.. rockbox is different from the original firmware
19:31:59breitigrml ^^
19:33:21bluebrotherbreiti: rockbox doesn't care about how the OF maps buttons. On the Ipod it behaves somewhat differently (but much better than the OF IMO)
19:35:19bluebrotherbesides, IMO the error message from the theme site is rather clear (given you're using rbutil 1.0.7)
19:36:46breitibluebrother, nah the svn one
19:37:14domonokybluebrother: i prepared the mac 1.0.7 version:"> but it still needs to be moved to the download servers.. :-)
19:37:21bluebrotherwell, if it's current svn then it's the same.
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19:37:36bluebrotherdomonoky: I'd suggest pinging Bagder ;-)
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19:39:11bluebrotherwell, as 1.0.7 is out now I'll commit the bootloader rework soonish. Finally ...
19:39:24bluebrotherit was rotting on my hard disk too long
19:39:50domonokyjup, put it in.. we can finish it up in svn..
19:40:38bluebrothershouldn't be much work left −− but testing is needed :)
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19:43:27faltrioni have a small question, do you know of any floss project that do what you do with music abd "mp3" players, but for photos and digital photo frames? (or is this something that rockbox might be able to do in the future?)
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19:45:23amiconnbluebrother: Bootloader rework meaning bootloader installation in rbutil I assume?
19:46:20bluebrotheramiconn: yep.
19:46:45BigBambifaltrion: Not that I know of, and that is really off topic for here. Google would be the best bet
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19:51:29breitidomonoky, looks quite intressting else ^^
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19:51:42breiti*much* more features
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19:56:25jerrrykucahey, is it possible to install rockbox without ipod os installed? just make the ipod to one big ext3 partition maybe?
19:57:46BigBambiAnd furthermore Rockbox only reads fat32 (and 16)
19:58:10gevaertsjerrrykuca: you know that rockbox is not linux, right?
19:58:57jerrrykucagevaerts: hm, yes put i thought maybe you could install rockbox on ipodlinux or something...
19:59:18BigBambiRockbox is a replacememnt firmware, not an application
19:59:22gevaertsYou can install both if you like, but they are mostly unrelated
20:01:37jerrrykucamy problem is that the ipod will not recover in itunes.. (error 1418), so maybe i'm just f***ed
20:08:37breiticrap i cant leave fire demo
20:08:47breitiand now its hanging but playback is still normal
20:09:03breitihm how can i exit this demos?
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20:09:13breitimenu.. long menu, prev, long prev doesnt work
20:09:23gevaertsbreiti: have a look at the manual. That should tell you
20:09:39breitiiam already in chapter browsing and playing
20:10:10gevaertsYou need the plugins chapter
20:10:57breitiso i should print it and get it with.... if i started sth. on travel and doesnt know how to reset? :/
20:11:12breitimenu isnt working
20:11:29domonokybreiti: if all fails, you can always reset the device with menu+select i think...
20:12:04breitidomonoky, yes i can
20:12:10breitibut that shouldnt be?
20:12:23amiconnNo, that's unnecessary
20:12:36breitimenu+set short holding was helping
20:12:42amiconnIf you check the plugins chapter, you'll find that there is a convention
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20:13:22amiconnIt's either just Menu, or (when the plugin needs more buttons) Menu+Select
20:13:37amiconnAnd you don't need to hold them, just short press
20:14:33domonokyamiconn: it seems the manual is wrong for this plugin ? it says Menu to Quit the Firedemo...
20:14:49breitii love the metronome
20:14:52amiconndomonoky: hmm?
20:14:54breititip tip tip tip...
20:15:43amiconndomonoky: Then the manual doesn't match reality
20:16:14amiconnBut in this case reality should be adjusted to match the manual (because the other option would be silly if Menu alone does nothing...)
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20:17:41gevaertsamiconn: I think we need both. Make things behave correctly in trunk, but make the manual match the build for 3.0
20:20:12pixelmathe fire plugin was one of the last ones to be _converted_ to PLA, and the manual not updated accordingly... :\
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20:32:19Bagderslashdot slashdot slashdot
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20:34:03bluebrotherpoor webserver
20:34:03domonokyjup, rockbox made the news, very good news coverage..
20:34:34bluebrotherthe response is quite amazing
20:34:42BigBambiIndeed, massive amount
20:34:56BigBambiThis rockbox thing must be better than we thought!
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20:35:25*amiconn would prefer less response and a usable webserver instead :/
20:35:47bluebrotherBigBambi: indeed. How could we miss that?
20:35:56*bluebrother agrees with amiconn
20:36:02BigBambibluebrother: Silly old us :)
20:36:25BagderI'll try to up to 250
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20:37:06bluebrotherfunnily the server was quite fast this morning. At least when I updated the rbutil wiki page
20:37:19bluebrotherBagder: you noticed the rbutil mac binary?
20:37:32domonokybluebrother: already there :)
20:37:44domonokysee my last wiki update...
20:38:20domonokynow the only build missing is the linux 64bit one...
20:38:29*bluebrother missed that. Oh my, it's been a day ...
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20:40:33hospadarI was wondering
20:40:50domonokywondering is good :-)
20:40:52hospadardoes anyone know if/how well video playback works on an ipod photo?
20:41:02BigBambinot bad at all
20:41:07LambdaCalculus37Fairly decent.
20:41:35hospadarbecause I have a zen vision:m and I may have the opportunity to get my hands on a cheap old photo
20:41:47hospadarand my vision:m is a little beat up
20:42:01hospadarso I'd like to switch
20:42:41Lloreanhospadar: Reports seem to indicate you'll at least get watchable framerates at decent visual quality. Better framerates than some OFs claim, but don't expect a full 30.
20:43:15LloreanI think the PluginMpegplayer page in our wiki will show what some people have gotten as test results, but you never know the state of the file they used and it's been a while since the last person updated for the iPod Photo I think.
20:43:17hospadarhow about on an ipod video? don't those have hardware decoders?
20:43:18LloreanIf you can even get to the page.
20:43:23LloreanWe can't use the hardware decoder.
20:43:34LloreanNot enough information on it.
20:43:34hospadarso the results would be about the same?
20:43:41LloreanBigger screen, same speed processor
20:43:48hospadaroh I see
20:43:59hospadarwhat kind of processor do the ipods use?
20:44:03hospadaris it an ARM?
20:44:07LloreanIt's an ARM with two 80mhz cores.
20:44:58gevaertshospadar: if you're interested in video on rockbox, I wouldn't recommend an ipod
20:45:00hospadaram I correct in assuming though that if I chop down the video bitrate I can get better speed
20:45:04hospadaroh really
20:45:12hospadarwhat would be better?
20:45:53gevaertsI'd recommend a gigabeat F
20:45:59gevaertsMuch faster CPU
20:46:01Llorean320x240 screen like the iPod, MUCH faster CPU.
20:46:02hospadaralso I was wondering how file transfers work with rockbox, does it just give you a mountable filesystem?
20:46:26LloreanYou use a FAT32 filesystem and put data wherever you feel like it.
20:47:00hospadarhow do you guys develop this? does gcc compile to the processors these players use?
20:47:18domonokyjup, all thanks to gcc :-)
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20:54:37star_jasminehi everyone. in the rockbox utility released today, I a
20:55:15star_jasmineam not able to change options for the tts creation of voices. I get as far as configuring tts once I have picked sapi, and get an error repor consistently. can someone help?
20:56:15star_jasmineUSING WINDOWS
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21:00:15bluebrotherstar_jasmine: no need to scream ...
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21:01:35star_jasminesorry I didn't realize my capslock was on. it must have gotten stuck. I appologize
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21:02:08bluebrotherhmm, there seems something to be broken.
21:02:26bluebrotheryou're on windows xp? You have SAPI voices installed?
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21:03:18star_jasmineyes. that's right. rockbox utliity didn't let me make sapi 4 previously, but allowed for sapi5 voices to be created
21:03:48star_jasmineI would love it if sai4 worked. it used to have the option, but couldn't create one
21:04:12star_jasmineand my cygwin is horrible at the moment. very slow for no reason
21:04:42bluebrotherdomonoky: ping
21:05:02star_jasminesapi4 rather
21:07:55nbcssomeone help me how to enable 'RTC alarm' on H300
21:08:03nbcsI know how to compiling, but FS #7814 patch doesn't work
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21:13:42bluebrothernbcs: it might be out of date ... does it apply cleanly?
21:15:07nbcstype 'make' ->
21:15:52domonokystar_jasmine:what error do you get ?
21:16:23nbcsthat is the result
21:17:12bluebrotherwell, then it is out of date.
21:17:33bluebrotherwhich means you need to resync it.
21:17:39pixelmanbcs: did you try "make clean" and reconfigure before?
21:18:01*bluebrother somewhat forgot about that possibility
21:18:18pixelmathose additional language strings sometimes need it (from what I remember)
21:18:24nbcsI did
21:19:29star_jasminehow do I telL WHAT I SAYS? IT WON'T LET ME SEE THE ERROR REPORT
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21:19:59bluebrotherstar_jasmine: take care of your caps lock button :o
21:20:16funmanor use shift :)
21:20:26bluebrotherdomonoky: I noticed an issue running w2k too: it simply hangs. Doesn't eat up cpu.
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21:20:38bluebrotherhaven't tried checking the debug output yet.
21:20:53domonokyi think i see the problem... lets do some tests..
21:21:12nbcsFS #7814 suceeded Thursday, 05 June 2008 by PaulJam (PaulJam)
21:21:17star_jasmineok sorry
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21:22:47pixelmanbcs: ok, looks really out of sync then. I believe there are some hints that it has to do with some more work on moving the GUI to viewports, unfortunately I don't know enough about it
21:23:26nbcswell, thank you anyway
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21:33:57pocariHi rtutilqt doesn't install correctly on my mac am I doing something wrong here?
21:34:18BigBambidefine not properly
21:34:40pocariafter drag-drop installation, the app doesn't even start
21:34:43bluebrother"smoke comes out of my PC"?
21:34:59funmanpocari: try starting it from a terminal to have some output
21:36:53pocarierror 10810
21:38:49pocariShould I just get the source and compile it my self? Also is this not the pre-compiled binary for the OSX?
21:39:38funmanif you can run it on OSX it's the good binary
21:39:58pocariI can't even run it from the terminal,
21:40:02bluebrotherwell, what binary are you running anyway?
21:40:04funmanand I think it was built recently so try to check what's the error in the source
21:40:18funmanwhat's the "error 10810" ? I thought it was a rbutil code
21:40:56pocariI got the 1.0.7 off the site, and I don't understand the error also it just doesn't even start in OSX
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21:43:19LloreanGoogle seems to suggest error 10810 is a process overflow
21:44:52pocarianyone knows the md5 for the original dmg?
21:45:36bluebrotherwell, the dmg having 1.4M size sounds broken to me.
21:46:17bluebrotherthe linux binary is compressed above 4M, and I'd expect a universal binary to double the size
21:46:18pocariI thought that also
21:47:36bluebrotherdomonoky: and another ping ... ;-)
21:48:16pocariyeah the earlier release has been 12M each, I wonder where the 1.0.7 is....
21:48:31bertrikhmm, the sansa clip doesn't have an lcd, or does it?
21:48:57Lloreanbertrik: Small, weird lookin' one.
21:48:58domonokyhm, it seems i have messd up this mac build again.. :-/
21:49:03LloreanIt's mono, but with a colored backdrop
21:49:09gevaertsbertrik: I think that technically it's not lcd but oled.
21:49:29bertrikgevaerts, exactly
21:49:33bluebrotherwe really need a mac dev for rbutil
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21:49:43gevaertsbertrik: I'm not sure though
21:52:46domonokypocari: please try this build:">
21:54:39pocaridomonoky: should I use songbird for music sync or can the new rockbox handle Itunes8
21:55:04domonokypocari: copy&paste is the best :-)
21:55:49Lloreanpocari: As long as the music is in a format Rockbox can play, and you're willing to accept any limitations on finding it in the filetree, any sync program should be fine.
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22:03:47pocarimacpod installation has failed so I'll just use it on my PC as a winpod
22:04:13Lloreanpocari: The manual should mention that it must be converted to FAT32 first
22:04:24LloreanYou can still use it on a mac once it's FAT32 formatted, but iTunes on mac won't like it.
22:04:24pocariright done that,
22:04:51pocariright the nano is already fat32 but it's says it's not
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22:05:49pocariMight be some issue with my Ipod also I'll re-format and try once again
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22:06:43LloreanYou don't *just* reformat it
22:06:50LloreanDid you follow the full conversion steps?
22:07:34linuxstbpocari: What says it's not FAT32 formatted?
22:07:49pocarithe automatic instllation tool
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22:09:27linuxstbThen it still has an Apple Partition Map
22:09:56linuxstbAs Llorean said, you need to follow the instructions to fully convert it.
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22:46:13bill2or3I just installed RB on an iriver H340, it boots, says "Rockbox boot loader, Version 5, Batt: 4.05v", hangs for a bit, and then says ""ATA error: -1, Insert USB cable and press a button".
22:46:51bill2or3I have a .rockbox directory with a rockbox.iriver file in it, (and the rest of the rb stuff). The iriver firmware still boots fine.
22:47:03bill2or3any ideas why the RB fw isn't booting for me?
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22:47:58bill2or3note: this player has been in a drawer for a while, so I don't know how good the battery is, but it does say 4.05V.
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22:49:54Bagdergiving it a good charge is always a good idea
22:50:24bill2or3that's my best guess as to what's wrong, but I thought I'd ask.
22:51:11skinneetare dynamicly created playlists removed on when the Rockbox player is shutdown and restarted?
22:51:23bill2or3I've ordered a new battery. I think that 'ATA Error: -1' indicates that it couldn't read the drive, but the iriver firmware reads it ok, so I don't know.
22:51:39gevaertsskinneet: no
22:51:50skinneetseem to have a problem with that then
22:52:13skinneetlately, I have been creating playlists from the database and when I shutdown and restart the player, the playlist is gone
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22:53:17gevaertsCan you try checking the filesystem for errors?
22:54:55bill2or3and for free space..
22:55:14skinneetI definitely have free space on the system
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22:58:59Bagderskinneet: I think dynamic playlists from the database aren't saved
22:59:52Bagderalthough I never use the db myself so I'm a bit bad on details or accuracy
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23:02:27skinneetBagder: that's what I was thinking
23:02:58gevaertsskinneet: how exactly do you create the playlist (to make sure I test the right thing)?
23:03:15skinneetgo to the database and then select "Year"
23:03:28skinneeton one of the years, I press and hold the Select button (using and iPod)
23:03:37skinneetthen press 'Select' on the Playlist option
23:03:59skinneetthe either 'Playlist Shuffle' or 'Insert Shuffled' with Select
23:04:04skinneetlet song start playing...
23:04:09skinneetpause song and then shutdown the player
23:04:24skinneetrestart the player and try to resume the playlist
23:04:33skinneetat which point I get the "Nothing to Resume"
23:05:16gevaertsWorks fine here
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23:06:24BigBambiHow are you shutting down?
23:06:26mcuelenaerehere2code, here2code_2: around?
23:06:56skinneetBigBambi: sometimes, I let it shutdown via the timeout function... other times, I press and hold the play button when at the main menu
23:07:35BigBambiJust checking you weren't rebooting with menu + select (some people seem to think this equals shutdown)
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23:08:59skinneetthis used to work awhile ago but now it doesn't
23:09:06skinneetit didn't bother me to much but lately it has
23:09:11gevaertsDid you check the filesystem?
23:09:15skinneetdoing an fsck right now
23:09:27skinneeton the second partition on this iPod
23:09:31skinneetI am running this from linux
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23:14:23skinneetok.. the FAT file system had a couple errors... nvram.bin and config.cfg were sharing the same cluster.. I truncated the latter after I copied the contents off the device
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23:14:50skinneetand there was a free cluster summary problem
23:15:32gevaertsThat's likely to be the problem then
23:15:57*gevaerts doesn't like that sort of error though
23:16:50gevaertsThe fact that it's nvram.bin and config.cfg seems to me to point towards a problem in rockbox, not a problem with unpluging the cable at the wrong moment
23:19:50kushalonedoes anyone know when rbutilqt 1.0.7 for mac coming to ?
23:21:27domonokykushalone: i built a new working version at">
23:21:48domonokyBagder: could you please move this to the download server ?
23:21:50skinneetI fixed the file system and copied the config.cfg file back
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23:22:34gevaertsskinneet: did you check that config.cfg looks plausible?
23:22:47skinneetmine only had the car adapter line in it
23:22:48*bill2or3 fsck's too
23:22:51gevaertsok. good luck :)
23:23:00Bagderdomonoky: you want the b in there or should I replace the former name?
23:23:14domonokyreplace it please
23:23:22skinneetthere... works again
23:23:28skinneetthanks for your help peeps
23:23:37skinneetnow to read up on the remote stuff for the iPod
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23:27:49bill2or3no luck after fscking.
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23:29:21smcquayhello everyone
23:30:02bertrikhi smcquay
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23:30:51smcquayi just tried installing rockbox on my ipod 30G 5th gen vid ipod. i'm getting a bootloader error: "can't load rockbox.ipod: file not found". i've properly unzipped the ipod zip to the root folder on that ipod, and have tried redoing the firmware. any ideas?
23:31:25BigBambiWhat is the directory structure?
23:31:40BigBambiand what OS?
23:32:31smcquaythen in .rockbox: backdrops docs icons rockbox-info.txt themes
23:32:31smcquaycodecs doom langs rockbox.ipod viewers.config
23:32:31smcquaycodepages eqs rbutil.log rocks wps
23:32:31DBUGSent KICK smcquay to server
23:32:31smcquaydatabase.ignore fonts recpresets tagnavi.config
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23:33:13smcquayhe he. i got kicked. yeah, it says backdrops, codecs, codepages, database.ignore, etc, rockbox.ipod, etc
23:33:24smcquayit's there, but the firmware can't see it, apparently
23:33:26BigBambiso you definately have /media/ipod/.rockbox/rockbox.ipod ?
23:33:33Bagderdomonoky: the new 1.0.7 is there now
23:33:37BigBambior whatever your mountpoint is
23:33:40smcquayBigBambi: yes, i have it mounted elsewhere, but yes.
23:33:50domonokyBagder: many thanks !
23:34:06BigBambismcquay: Could you try rbutil and let it do the install?
23:34:15smcquayah, but i already have :) BigBambi
23:34:33BigBambiThat is very odd
23:34:41gevaertsThis is 5G, and not 5.5G?
23:34:47smcquayand sad. it made my day when rockbox hit the engadget.
23:34:50smcquayyeah, positive.
23:35:01smcquay5.5 has the flashy halfscreen reflections menus, right? i don't have that
23:35:02gevaertsok, so 512 byte sectors
23:35:13gevaertsNo, that's the classic (or 6g)
23:35:20smcquayah, definitely not.
23:35:35gevaertsCan you check the sector size in the dmesg output?
23:35:55smcquaysure where does that show up as? can i also see it with fdisk?
23:36:11gevaertsfdisk is less reliable for this. Just run dmesg
23:36:16smcquayfdisk -l looks like amess, but i see /dev/sdb1 start=1, end=4
23:36:24smcquayblocks = 96264
23:36:55*gevaerts doesn't care about partition layouts right now. Just the sector size. Is it 512 or 2048?
23:36:59smcquaysd 16:0:0:0: [sdb] 14651280 2048-byte hardware sectors (30006 MB)
23:37:10BigBambiah, a 5.5G!
23:37:12*smcquay blush
23:37:12gevaertsThat;s a 5.5G.
23:37:19smcquaygah?!? how?
23:37:34smcquayit doesn't have the flashy menu on it! i think it has a replaced HD ... could that be it?
23:37:59BigBambinah, the 5.5G has just a slightly updated 5G
23:38:04gevaertsNo. It needs the same build, but there is a bug in the released bootloader that could explain this
23:38:16BigBambiit still isn't a Classic = 6G
23:38:22smcquayhmmm ... is there a dev bootloader i could try? (i'm really excited to try rockbox again)
23:38:25smcquaydefinitely not
23:38:38smcquayoh, wait, yeah, the classic is the one with the glossy halfscreen menu, right?
23:38:50gevaertssmcquay: there are bootloaders at
23:39:12smcquayor do they all work?
23:40:07BigBambiYour OS is irrelevant to the bootloader
23:40:20BigBambiYou install them to the ipod with ipodpatcher
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23:40:37smcquayoh really? oh, okay. i didn't get a bootloader, just the patcher ....
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23:40:42*smcquay looks really stoopid
23:41:10smcquaythe usermanual said nothing of bootloaders
23:41:11BigBambiYou use the patcher to install a bootloader from that task
23:41:18smcquayshould i've grabbed one?
23:41:30BigBambiNo, it wouldn't - ipodpatcher has the release bootloaders built in
23:41:49smcquayoh, so now i have bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod ... and ipodpatcher ....
23:41:52BigBambiBut since that doesn't work, we are going to use ipodpatcher to install an external bootloader
23:42:11BigBambiyep - I'm going to let someone else give you the command, as I don't have an ipod :)
23:42:13smcquayah, so i can call ipodpatcher like this: ./ipodpatcher <path to awesome fixer boodloader> ?
23:42:24smcquayAH! it has a help message
23:43:02smcquay./ipodpatcher −−add-bootloader-bin bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod
23:43:32smcquaythe ipodpatcher reports aka 5th generation ("winpod")
23:44:09*smcquay is letting ipod reboot ....
23:44:14DerPapstonly -a
23:44:34DerPapstthe -in part is wrong
23:44:53smcquayoh, so only -a ... trying
23:45:27smcquayyeah, it just hung on the rebooting apple before and MAGIC!!! thanks you guys
23:45:33smcquaywait ... it's rebooting over and over
23:46:05*smcquay because the genious didn't unplug the device from his computer
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23:46:22BigBambismcquay: hehe :)
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23:46:56smcquayyou guys are awesome. thank you thank you for bringing the beauty of ogg/flac to my device
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23:47:49BigBambismcquay: No worries, and I hope you enjoy it :)
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