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#rockbox log for 2008-09-27

00:01:21skinneetI am looking at something similar to that but it appears taht you have to patch the source for it to work
00:01:26gevaertssmcquay: maybe. The lineout should work, and controls may work of you use FS #8624 ( There is a build with that patch at
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00:02:21smcquaygevaerts: do you know if the decoding happens at a carstero level, or on an ipod level?
00:03:02smcquayand, is there a place in the manual that goes over patches?
00:03:34gevaertssmcquay: I know nearly nothing about car stereos. It could be accessing the ipod over usb, or over the accessory protocol...
00:03:46BigBambinothing in the manual no, it is for the official build
00:03:58gevaertsAnd about patches, have a look at
00:04:03BigBambiInformation about patches is in the tracker task
00:04:13smcquayoh, so that was included in the official build?
00:04:17BigBambiAh, unless you mean how to patch and compile :)
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00:04:45BigBambiNo, it is a patch - (
00:04:47dataangelIs there a way to put color format information in strings for rb->lcd_putsxy? That would be sweet.
00:04:57smcquayawesome, i'll look into that tonight, thanks again
00:05:14BigBambiBut someone (soap) has built an unnoffical build with it already included at
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00:07:08Bagder93600 visits yday
00:07:25gevaertsNot bad
00:07:56gevaertsHave a look at the logs. Some nuts are using mosaic :)
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00:08:45Bagdermozilla has 63.9%...
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00:10:36Bagderslashdot front page gave us >12000 referers
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00:13:24evil_corehi all
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00:13:46evil_coreanything has changed with iriver U10 ?
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00:14:12john23I might have bricked my ipod
00:14:24krazykityou didn't brick it. it can be recovered.
00:14:40john23says "[ERR] Firmware partition doesn't contain Apple copyright, aborting."
00:15:01Lloreanevil_core: Please don't come here just asking for status reports. Anything we knew that was new should be in the wiki or the U10 forum thread (if there is one).
00:15:04krazykitwhat ipod and what did you do to it?
00:15:06john23running linux and I can't find an ipodpatcher with a force option for linux
00:15:18john2330 gig video, 5g i think
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00:15:37john23formatted it.. stupidly not knowing what I was doing
00:15:55gevaertsjohn23: may help
00:16:26john23trying that now
00:16:28evil_coreLlorean: ok, sorry. I remmeber You, I was there over year ago with identical question :D
00:18:09Lloreanevil_core: I bet I said the same thing last time?
00:18:45*gevaerts replaces Llorean with a bot
00:18:49Lloreanevil_core: If you'd spent the last year learning to program in your spare time, there'd probably be progress by now...
00:19:17john23what is my Firmware-X.Y.Z (where X, Y and Z are numbers)?
00:20:03john23none of the options here: show "30/video" or anything
00:20:26john23(and mine's 30 gig, 5Gen, Video
00:20:44gevaertsJust choose one of the 5Gs. I'd pick 13
00:21:03*gevaerts doesn't know why, but he thinks he used that one for his 30GB ipod once
00:24:09amiconnBagder: Making more space conserving would be really helpful ...
00:26:52john23ok, so I got to the seventh step.. now, am I reading the notes right that I should now unplug my ipod and reboot it?
00:27:20gevaertsjohn23: yes
00:28:14john23um, by holding down the menu button, right?
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00:28:55john23I did, it clicked, and then the same screen popped right back up and still says: "Connect to your computer, use Itunes to restore"
00:29:00*john23 doesn't have itunes
00:29:23john23Or did I not reboot it? how do you turn it off?
00:29:34LloreanHold Menu+Select
00:30:47john23it won't stay off.. keeps coming back to the same screen
00:31:03gevaertsThen you did something wrong somewhere
00:31:22john23maybe I'm not turning it off correctly?
00:33:21john23major suckage
00:33:36john23k, I'm gonna try rockbox install again
00:33:37gevaertsAre you sure it's a 5G and not a 5.5G?
00:33:43john23is the copyright on there now?
00:33:52john23mmm, how do I find out?
00:34:08gevaertsrun dmesg and see if it reports 512 or 2048 byte sectors
00:34:54john23I think mine's 2048
00:35:03gevaertsThat's a 5.5G then.
00:35:08john23cause fdisk complains about it not being 512
00:35:26bertrikgevaerts, can you make sense of this dmesg of a sansa clip: ?
00:35:27gevaertsLook at the dmesg output to make sure
00:35:54DerPapst"To distinguish the Fifth Generation iPod (Late 2006, 5.5G) from the original Fifth Generation (5G) iPod is by comparing the last three digits of the serial number. The Fifth Generation iPod (Late 2006, 5.5G) serial number's last three digits will be one of the following: V9K, V9P, V9M, V9R, V9L, V9N, V9Q, V9S, WU9, WUA, WUB, WUC, and X3N. The Fifth Generation U2 Special Edition iPod (30 GB Late 2006) serial number's last three digits are W9G."
00:36:00bertrikon sansa E200v2 this can be used to unbrick, on clip it apparently reports a 0-byte disk
00:36:19bertrikthe funny thing is that the number of sectors seems sensible, but the INQUIRY data does not
00:36:51john23oh, and I dd'd the zip file instead of the firmware anyway
00:36:53john23woops :)
00:37:08gevaertsjohn23: that would have been my next suggestion :)
00:37:36bertrikmaybe we can write a user-space USB mass storage emulation that isn't bothered by a missing INQUIRY response
00:38:06*bertrik considers getting a sansa clip to hack on
00:38:41evil_coreLlorean: but last time somebody told me that without specs it isnt duable. And one person cannot make something usable, especially that current interface is good, supports vorbis, i am missing only Doom(which I wanted mostly) and "freedom" probably
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00:39:30Lloreanevil_core: If it wasn't doable, what's the point in asking about it?
00:40:01gevaertsbertrik: Maybe sg_dd works? (from sg3-utils)
00:40:09john23it's doing its thing now
00:40:12gevaertsjohn23: please use real words...
00:40:23john23whatevs dawg
00:40:38Lloreanjohn23: It's in the channel guidelines.
00:40:43LloreanWe aren't kidding when we ask you to use them.
00:41:17john23I accept
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00:42:00n17ikh|Lappyso has the sansa bootloader code still in development, or is it stable? And if not, how do I know when a new bootloader comes out?
00:42:33n17ikh|Lappyother than say, downloading sansapatcher and running it
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00:42:41Lloreann17ikh|Lappy: When the bootloader files on the server have a new date.
00:42:58n17ikh|Lappyfair enough
00:43:03LloreanAll parts of Rockbox are always in development.
00:43:21LloreanYou can either wait for announced releases, or you can just try to keep yourself informed by checking the obvious, but more tedious, means.
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00:43:39john23be right back, thanks guys
00:43:42gevaertsn17ikh|Lappy: I'm pretty sure that new bootloaders would be announced on the MajorChanges page
00:43:43john23(and gals)
00:44:20n17ikh|LappyMakes sense.
00:44:49bertrikgevaerts, ok, I'll look into that and recommend it to funman once he logs onto irc. I can imagine that sg_dd still goes through the kernel and gets confused by the (apparently corrupted) inquiry data
00:45:23gevaertsbertrik: it goes through the generic scsi layer, not through the block device layer
00:45:58gevaertsSo while it may get confused, I'm pretty sure it gets confused itself and not in the kernel, so that's fixable
00:47:39bertrikok, should be an interesting experiment :)
00:47:48*gevaerts bets that john23 will encounter the same bootloader bug as smcquay
00:48:28gevaertsbertrik: if you install that package, you'll get a lot of potentially useful tools
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00:52:10john23getting themes
00:52:14john23unkown error
00:52:34gevaertsrbutil 1.0.6?
00:52:56john23yea, 1.0.6x65
00:53:15gevaertsIf so, ignore that error. There's a problem with the theme server (it isn't there...). rbutil 1.0.7 gives a more friendly message
00:53:27john23i mean 64
00:53:28gevaertsYou don't need the themes
00:53:33john23fricken 64 bits
00:53:53john23ok, well the process ended at the theme error.. was more supposed to happen after that?
00:54:04john23ok, so now what?
00:54:18gevaertsUnmount, unplug and reset
00:55:37john23boot loader
00:55:53john23cant load rockbox.ipod:
00:55:53*gevaerts wins his bet.
00:55:56john23file not found
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00:56:06john23hold menu+select to reboot
00:56:12john23then select play for disk mode
00:57:11gevaertsDownload ipodpatcher, download the ipod video bootloader from, and run ipodpatcher -a bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod
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00:57:47john23absolutely... gotta tend to the coals outside right quick
00:57:59john23anyone know when the debates start tonight? (eastern)
00:58:41*gevaerts doesn't know about any debates that are on topic here
01:00:54lassercoverage in germany starts at 3.00 am UTC+2, do the math ;-) -> rockbox-community...
01:01:20john23written to device
01:01:58john23lasser: thanks
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01:02:34laburdCan someone help me deal with massive corruption on my sandisk c200 ?
01:02:45laburdhow easy is it to rebuild the hidden partition
01:02:49smcquaydo you have a hammer?
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01:02:54laburdsmcquay: heh
01:03:08laburdjohn23: excuse me ?
01:03:27john23was talking to gevaerts, laburd
01:03:35john23be right back
01:03:36gevaertsjohn23: what sort of error?
01:04:01laburdWhat's a good paste site ?
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01:04:09laburdI want to paste my partition table
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01:05:19laburdcheck out that partition table... I think I need to rebuild it, no ?
01:06:09gevaertslaburd: why?
01:06:15laburdI dunno..
01:06:21laburdI'll try install the new rockbox..
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01:06:29laburdI'm gonna format the data partition though.
01:06:37laburdit's fux0red.. can't even delete files on it anymore
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01:29:09laburdis version r18651 the new 3.0 goodness?
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01:32:07Nico_Plaburd: what do you mean?
01:32:25Nico_Pr18651 isn't part of 3.0
01:33:44john23gevaerts: So whats the fix for that error?
01:33:52gevaertsjohn23: what error?
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01:34:12john23 ***gevaerts wins his bet.
01:34:33gevaerts00:57 < gevaerts> Download ipodpatcher, download the ipod video bootloader from, and run ipodpatcher -a bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod
01:34:41john23uhh.. I mean after that..
01:34:43john23same error
01:36:08john23thats the output of ipodpatcher
01:36:41john23then I rebooted... still says Loading rockbox...
01:36:53john23cant load rockbox.ipod
01:36:58john23File not found
01:37:23gevaertsThat is the bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod from, right? Not the one from
01:38:01laburdNico_P: that's the version that rbutil installed
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01:38:45Nico_Plaburd: to get 3.0 with rbutil you need to update it
01:38:53Nico_P3.0 has a special version string too
01:38:56john23I must have done something wrong
01:39:05john23rockbox boot loader
01:39:09laburdNico_P: I was using the 1.0.6 rbutil
01:39:12laburddo I need 0.7 ?
01:39:24john23Version: r18422-3.0-RC-080905
01:39:40gevaertsThat's the correct one, yes
01:39:43john23Ipod version: 0x000B0011
01:39:54john23Toshiba MK3008GAL
01:39:55Nico_Plaburd: yes
01:40:07john23Partiition 1: 0.0B 7130 MB
01:40:12gevaertsjohn23: did you use the correct mbr?
01:40:33john23gevaerts: not sure.. I think so
01:41:00john23Used the one here
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01:41:18john2330GB Video (2048-byte sectors) mbr-video30gb-2048.bin
01:41:35laburdNico_P: the 64bit version is only 0.6.. ok I'll do 32 bit
01:41:43maffeI just wanted to let you know ... Rockbox 3.0 rocks! :)
01:42:38john23I must have done something wrong
01:43:05gevaertsjohn23: just to make sure : check the dmesg output again. Does it really say xxxxx 2048-byte hardware sectors?
01:43:29Nico_Pmaffe: thanks, that's appreciated :)
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01:44:55john23[948052.567389] sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] 14651280 2048-byte hardware sectors (30006 MB)
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01:45:37john23whats the best sequence? mbr, then bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod
01:45:41john23then firmware?
01:45:44john23then reboot?
01:45:46john23or what?
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01:46:15laburdI installed rockbox, and it's just flashing
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01:46:29laburdmy c200 is flashing the logo over and over... I can still boot the OF by hodling down the left arrow though
01:46:41laburdcan someone help me?
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01:47:09gevaertsfirst mbr, then make the kernel reload that mbr, then dd the firmware, then format the data partition, then bootloader and .rockbox
01:47:45laburdok ok... so. the firmware I can get from sansa?
01:47:50john23something is bootloading
01:48:23BigBambilaburd: He was talking to john23
01:49:43john23I just went through it again. did MBR, then ipodpatcher -a bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod, then dd if=Firmware-25.6.3 of=/dev/sdb1
01:50:01gevaertsjohn23: that won't work
01:50:10john23hmm.. maybe I was supposed to put the firmware into the second partition?
01:50:13laburdhow come I can't boot rockbox on this?
01:50:33john23gevaerts: whats the way?
01:50:48gevaertsI told you three minutes ago
01:51:16john23ma bad
01:51:19john23I see it now
01:51:31gevaertsipodpatcher patches firmware. If you're going to restore the firmware again after that it's not going to do much
01:52:17gevaertslaburd: that sounds like you only installed the bootloader and not rockbox itself
01:53:12laburdgevaerts: I'm doing it again (3rd time) .. although this time I manually mounted the partition instead of letting gnome/dbus do it
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01:53:42gevaertslaburd: does it have .rockbox/ on it?
01:53:51laburdstill downloading :/
01:54:21john23gevaerts: What goes into the second partition?
01:54:22laburdls -al /media/rockbox/.rockbox/
01:54:23laburdls: cannot access /media/rockbox/.rockbox/codecs: Input/output error
01:54:28laburdcorruption :(
01:54:46gevaertsjohn23: the second partition gets a FAT32 filesystem
01:54:49laburdlook at this ls -l line for codecs
01:54:51laburdd????????? ? ? ? ? ? codecs
01:54:57laburdnot good
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01:55:12laburdman sansa makes crappy products
01:55:12gevaertslaburd: did you reformat it earlier?
01:55:15laburdyeah I did
01:55:30john23gevaerts: ok, but don't put the bootloader and .rockbox in there, right?
01:55:55gevaertsjohn23: .rockbox is installed on the data partition. The bootloader isn't
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01:56:16laburdgevaerts: does it need to be fat16 partition label? cause I made it fat32.. also mkdosfs -F 32 -n rockbox /dev/sdc1 is what I used to format it
01:56:39john23got it
01:57:09gevaertslaburd: If the OF boots, try to use the OF format option (in settings)
01:57:24laburdAHh ok
01:57:27laburdyes I'll do that
01:57:34gevaertsIf that works it's the safest way
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01:59:43john23Ok, I think I did everything.. (crossing fingers)
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02:00:31Josh___Ahh, so it is an extent
02:01:31laburdgevaerts: yay it works! thanks for the tips, bro!
02:01:38gevaertsNo problem :)
02:01:43john23gevaerts: failed.
02:01:46john23Rockbox boot loader
02:01:49john23version: 2.0
02:01:58john23ipod version: 0xFFFFFFFF
02:02:16john23cant load rockbox.ipod: file not found
02:02:50laburdgevaerts: btw, what advantages are this version over the version I installed in June ?
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02:02:53john23well, it's not called rockbox.ipod, its called bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod, right?
02:03:14gevaertsjohn23: bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod is the bootloader. rockbox.ipod isn't
02:03:40john23well thats the file it says it cant find
02:03:51john23maybe I did something wrong again.
02:03:59gevaertsYou install bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod with ipodpatcher. rockbox.ipod is in .rockbox on the data partition
02:04:42gevaertsjohn23: did you run "ipodpatcher -a bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod" ?
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02:05:07gevaertsThen why is it showing version 2.0?
02:05:07john23to get .rockbox in the data partition, you just run the rockbox utility, right?
02:05:11john23that puts it there, right?
02:05:48gevaertsjohn23: yes. But re-run ipodpatcher. rockbox utility may have reinstalled the older bootloader
02:06:35gevaertslaburd: I can't tell you off-hand. I don't think there's been anything spectacular though
02:07:22john23ok, it still can't find rockbox.ipod, but it's back to the version number I had before
02:07:27john23(instead of 2.0)
02:08:06*gevaerts is out of ideas
02:08:30laburdgevaerts: heh ok
02:08:41laburdwelp, thanks guys. Im out
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02:10:21john23be right back
02:10:24cerrhi everybody
02:10:57cerrany information about if rockbox is doing its job on cowon players, specifically U3?
02:11:12krazykitcerr, look in the New Ports forum for any information about new ports
02:11:19krazykitjohn23, you really don't need to announce when you're away from the keyboard...
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02:12:39cerrkrzykit, alright will do thx
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02:15:45funkyomg, you even got the logs of every single day since 2002
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02:29:50krazykitgrafite, please read the IrcGuidelines in the topic
02:30:38grafiteyeh =], have done
02:31:09grafitejust wanted to let you know that the Rockbox Utility for Mac (1.07) isn't available
02:32:26grafiteI went to download the new version to try but it comes up with this message "The requested URL /rbutil/macosx/rbutilqt-v1.0.7.dmg was not found on this server."
02:33:41krazykitgrafite, the mirror is probably just not up to date. try
02:35:08grafiteah k...ah thnx mate, seems to be downloading now
02:35:18grafitewent to try it yesterday but the installer was the old version
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02:37:48star_jasminehi everyone, can someone tell me how to compile the rbutility with cygwin?
02:38:09thephilosopheris there a way to extract all file that are compiled for a specific target ?
02:38:21thephilosopherstar_jasmine: install linux lol
02:38:46grafitethnx for the link krazykit off tc
02:38:49star_jasmineno unfortunately, I don't have an extra computer to do that with
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02:39:16domonoky1star_jasmine: i dont know if it works in cygwin, i use the mingw shell which you get with the Qt install...
02:39:21gevaertsthephilosopher: please provide helpful answers or no answer at all
02:39:40thephilosophergevaerts: was just joking around
02:40:11gevaertsI know, but it can still be misleading to people
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02:40:24thephilosophergevaerts: did you see my question any idea if it is possible ?
02:40:36gevaertsthephilosopher: unzip?
02:40:50thephilosophergevaerts: ? unzip ?
02:40:55gevaertsOr else I don't understand the question
02:41:27thephilosophergevaerts: i am looking for way to have only the file that are compiled for a specific target...
02:41:52thephilosopheri think i will help me to focus more not to have all those unusefull file around
02:41:58thephilosopherdo you follow me ?
02:42:07gevaertsI think I understand now, yes.
02:42:40gevaertsSo basically you don't want e.g. ipod-specific files when you're working on sansa
02:43:31gevaertsThere's no easy way to do that. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it will be tricky to do
02:43:47*gevaerts also doesn't really see the point
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02:43:53thephilosopherexactly, i am still leanning about the structure so i need to focus on a target
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02:46:01thephilosophergevaerts: is there a way to have the make file actually copie the file somewhere instead of compiling them ?
02:46:49gevaertsYou can hack the makefile to do anything
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02:50:28thephilosophergevaerts: yea i am not that familiar with make file
02:50:41thephilosopherbut i when i will take a look
02:50:49thephilosophergevaerts: familliar with rockbox internals ?
02:51:00gevaertssome parts of it
02:52:13thephilosophergevaerts: do you mind some deep newbie questions ?
02:52:35gevaertsNormally no, but I really need to go to sleep (nearly 3AM here)
02:52:54thephilosophergevaerts: no probleme next time
02:53:04thephilosopherthanks for your time
02:53:24thephilosophergevaerts: in france ?
02:53:50gevaertsBelgium. Goodnight :)
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03:06:52alleleI'm having an interesting problem, I instantiate a two dimensional array with all the values needed at the same time, but for a three dimensional array I need to instantiate it and set each cell individually, is this a compiler issue?
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03:23:45Unhelpfulallele: what language? C? C arrays are pointers, and if you mean an array-of-pointers, then, don't do that? ;)
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03:55:14Bawitdabajust installed 3.0 w00t
03:55:30Bawitdabahaving never used it before its amazing
03:55:54Bawitdabait doesnt seem to sleep like the normal ipod firm tho when u hold play it just shuts off
03:57:07LloreanWe don't have code for sleeping right now. Rockbox is *fairly* low-power when idle anyway.
03:57:47Bawitdabawell it does say there is a idle/inactive timer that defaults to 10 mins
03:58:04LloreanThat's when it shuts down.
03:58:09Bawitdabaah ok
03:58:40Bawitdabais the volume bar supposed to appear jittery or is it just me/my ipod
03:58:51Bawitdabalike when u are changing it
03:58:57Bawitdabaprolly just the theme im using
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04:01:42Bawitdabanow i gotta format this thing and ditch the itunes crap and put on some real non converted music
04:02:30Bawitdabayou cant do anything while its usb connected right? on ipod 5.5 80gb it displays the ipod like do not disconnect
04:03:49LloreanIf you hold menu while plugging in the cable, instead of USB connecting it'll just charge while you can continue using the player (but not access it from the computer)
04:04:33Bawitdabaah ty
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04:10:13ShadowpillarHow do I know if I have a V2 sansa e200R?
04:10:41LloreanThe firmware version
04:10:43ShadowpillarI got my e200R in late 2006
04:10:54Shadowpillarwhat should I look for?
04:10:58LloreanIf the firmware version is 1.anything it's a v1, 3.anything is a v2
04:10:59Shadowpillarin the firmware that is
04:11:38Shadowpillaryeah I'm a 1
04:11:46Shadowpillarfinally I can get rid of the crap
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04:21:16funkyis the automated installation reliable enough ?
04:21:29funkyi don't wann brick my ipod
04:21:39krazykityou can't permanently brick your ipod with rockbox
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04:22:36LloreanIn fact, the only know we way to brick an iPod is with the official updates from Apple.
04:22:44LloreanOr, y'know, with a hammer.
04:22:54funkyso, do you suggest me to use the rocboxutility ?
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04:53:31SkoobeeDocan anyone recommend a good theme that will run with 3.0 on an Ipod Photo (4G)?
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04:53:54crackerjohnhi lal
04:54:16crackerjohni like rockbox very much
04:54:57funkywe like you too
04:54:58crackerjohnbut unfortunately, it can't support iAUDIO U3
04:55:08scorchecrackerjohn: right...
04:55:30crackerjohnany chances it support it?
04:56:15krazykitonly if someone does the hard work of porting it
04:56:17scorchecrackerjohn: well, people need to come forward with the capability, time, and the device itself to do the port
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04:58:51crackerjohni have the device,and i want to help, even i dont no anything about progamming.....
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05:00:44crackerjohni try to extract the original U3 fireware in order to "insert" the AAC DEcoder
05:01:11crackerjohnbut it fale,cuz i cant even extract the fireware
05:01:23funkyoh, there is even a gentoo ebuild for rockboxutility :D
05:01:49alleleis the architecture of plugins different in 3.0?
05:02:23scorcheallele: consider 3.0 a frozen "deemed stable enough" version of svn
05:02:46crackerjohni dont understand...
05:03:10alleleah, I'll stick with my current setup then I guess
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05:31:47eagledrchi, i need a hidden partition dump file for the sansa e280r... i had a messy rockbox install and uninstall
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05:32:41LinuxMafiahi all
05:32:56LinuxMafiai have an gogear pphilips video player
05:33:04LinuxMafiathat i can not turn it on
05:33:22scorcheLinuxMafia: that device is not a current rockbox target
05:33:49LinuxMafiascorche, ok but can any one help me to turn it on atleast?
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05:34:10scorcheLinuxMafia: welcome to #rockbox...where the topic is rockbox-related topics only..
05:34:28LinuxMafiascorche, is there any #gogear room?
05:34:36scorcheno clue
05:34:49LinuxMafiawhere can i ask?
05:34:59scorchei dont know...that isnt really my concern...
05:35:13LinuxMafiaor should i go to exactly same model number
05:35:33LinuxMafiaor they have to make a room for each question
05:35:47scorchei fail to see what you are getting at
05:36:15LinuxMafiathis room is the only room i can think of
05:36:27LinuxMafiato ask the question
05:36:31scorchethat doesnt change the rules of this room
05:37:01LinuxMafiaso tell me where to ask
05:37:05LinuxMafiai go there
05:37:18scorchei told you...i dont know..
05:37:18LinuxMafiai need help , i did not come here to have fun
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05:37:48LinuxMafiaare you a freebsd user?
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05:38:03scorcheLinuxMafia: really...keep topics to rockbox-subjects
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05:38:33LinuxMafiathere is no room for my question
05:38:57scorchefor the last time...that isnt my concern and doesnt change the rules of this channel
05:39:18LinuxMafiayes boss
05:39:34LinuxMafiai think that was what you wanted to hear
05:39:43LinuxMafianow feel good
05:39:45scorcheare you done yet?
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05:58:36kushal_12_27_200Could some one please point me to a "What's new" page for rbutilqt's latest version? Thanks
05:59:34krazykitthe major change is that it can install 3.0
06:02:48Lloreankushal_12_27_200: It should be on the wiki page for rbutil.
06:03:06LloreanIf not, there's always the SVN changelog...
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06:12:28john23gevaerts: You still around?
06:12:46krazykitjohn23, he went to sleep several hours ago.
06:13:17saratoga~6AM isn't the best time to talk to people in Europe
06:13:59john23k, well 3.0 isn't working for me on my 30 gig video ipod
06:14:10john23he walked me through it and it's getting an error
06:14:19john23wondering if previous versions are more stable...
06:14:39krazykitwhat is the specific error?
06:14:50john23Rockbox boot loader
06:15:14john23Version: r18422-3.0-RC-080905
06:15:28john23IPOD version: 0x000B011
06:15:42john23TOSHIBA MK3008GAL
06:15:54john23Partition 1: 0x0B 7130 MB
06:16:02john23Loading Rockbox...
06:16:13john23Can't load rockbox.ipod:
06:16:21john23File not found
06:16:36john23Hold MENU+SELECT etc etc.
06:16:38Lloreanjohn23: Please don't do long pastes into the channel
06:16:40scorchejohn23: on such things in the future, please use a pastebin
06:16:54john23I actually typed that, but ok
06:16:55scorchejohn23: how did you attempt to install?
06:16:57krazykitdo you have /mountedipod/.rockbox/rockbox.ipod?
06:17:12john23krazykit: I do
06:21:18LloreanA 3008 GAL shouldn't report 7130 MB
06:21:45LloreanYou converted it from HFS+?
06:21:58john23Llorean: I think you're on to something
06:22:40john23I don't know if it was HFS.... but fdisk has been complaining about things when I load sdb and I think 7130 is one of the red flags, somewhere
06:22:54john23I just don't know how to fix it (or what the specific problem is)
06:22:55LloreanDoes the original firmware work?
06:24:12john23Seems to. Funny thing, gparted only sees sdb / the ipod as a six gigabyte device.. whereas fdisk can see all 30
06:24:44john23Yes, when I loaded the firmware as directed, apple ipod software came back
06:24:53saratogaeasiest thing to do is to restore it on a windows iTunes install
06:25:11john23I followed these directions from gevaerts:
06:25:12john23(07:44:50 PM) gevaerts: first mbr, then make the kernel reload that mbr, then dd the firmware, then format the data partition, then bootloader and .rockbox
06:25:17Lloreanjohn23: But did it function properly?
06:25:28LloreanIt booting doesn't mean everything's working. I suspect it probably would've failed to see your data partition too.
06:25:34john23Llorean: I didn't notice any improprieties
06:25:39LloreanDid you try playing music?
06:25:47LloreanMy guess is that you've formatted the data partition improperly
06:25:57john23It had no music.
06:26:16john23Does anyone know how i can repartition/reformat the ipod to a working state on linux?
06:27:01john23I've scoured google looking for guidance on sectors, cylinders, units, etc.. for ipod on linux and I'm a bit lost
06:27:32LloreanThe manual restore wiki page should tell you what you should be doing to format it
06:27:35john23(it had music in the past, but it all got wiped)
06:30:12john23Llorean: I currently have about a dozen links open from the wiki.. Which page are you refering to?
06:32:09john23For my model, should I be using 512 byte sectors or 2048? gevaerts figured (or someone did) that I should use 2048.
06:32:26john23(in order to choose the correct mbr*.bin)
06:32:31Lloreanjohn23: There's only one page specifically including manual restore in the title, as far as I know
06:37:33john23hard to find
06:38:07john23found it
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06:39:42john23I followed those directions
06:40:57LloreanDid you visit the Apple site to verify whether your iPod was 5G or 5.5G?
06:42:28john23I was directed to use this Firmware-25.6.3
06:42:39john23is that the apple ipod os?
06:42:54john23Llorean: negative
06:43:04john23I was told it was 5.5
06:43:27LloreanCould you Google up the Apple page for identifying your iPod and verify this?
06:43:53john23Got that firmware from here:
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06:45:50brianskidoes rockbox support RLE compression of BMP files at least?
06:46:28brianskialternately, where is the jpeg support plugin? thx
06:46:40Lloreanbrianski: Please use real words instead of "thx"
06:46:46flowerptseeking debugging guidance. iPod 5GB (FAT32), Rockbox 3.0 stable, OSX, rbutilqt, bootloader says it can't find rockbox.ipod, but it's at /Volumes/ipodname/.rockbox/rockbox.ipod when in disk mode. Have uninstalled/reinstalled.
06:46:56Lloreanthe JPEG plugin is just for viewing jpegs, and the manual describes how to use it.
06:47:16john23iPod (5th generation late 2006)
06:47:16LloreanI don't know where you're asking about use of RLE encoding, internally bitmaps for use in the firmware are actually stored in the native LCD format for speed.
06:47:24john23which I suppose is the 5.5
06:47:31brianskiwhere is the manual? i'm starting from scratch here...
06:47:42Lloreanbrianski: It's behind the link "manual" on the website...
06:47:48brianskiRLE = run length encoding. its a compression format available for bitmap filess
06:47:51Lloreanjohn23: Yes. Which command line did you use to format it.
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06:48:06Lloreanbrianski: I know what RLE means, that's why I didn't ask about it. I asked *where* you were talking about its use in Rockbox.
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06:48:51brianskiyou sure are a charmer
06:48:55john23Llorean: mkfs.vfat -S 2048 -F 32 /dev/sdb2
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06:49:35Lloreanbrianski: The channel guidelines ask that you use real English. I'm really not joking about this. I've also done the best I can to actually answer your questions, but you're not being too helpful in clarifying what you're asking.
06:49:53meshmanHey, guys, whats up?
06:50:29Lloreanjohn23: You might want to try using a different method for formatting it. I've heard reports that some versions of mkfs.vfat don't do well with 2048 sized sectors.
06:50:34meshmanI have a question regarding rockbox 3.0 on a 4th gen ipod if anyone has a moment...
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06:50:45john23I'll try the mtools version
06:50:47Lloreanmeshman: Please just ask the question if you've got one.
06:50:52scorchemeshman: it is typically best to go ahead and ask
06:51:01saratogaRLE would be pretty useless anyway for BMPs in rockbox
06:51:59meshmanYou got it, first off, I was wondering if there was anyway I can use/listen to my ipod using rockbox while its charging off the pc, it seems the default behavior when connecting the cable is to reboot the ipod and drop to disk/usb mode
06:52:09brianskisaratoga: depends on the nature of the cover art you have, but for photorealistic overs, yes, it would be pointless. thanks for the info tho
06:52:13Lloreanmeshman: Hold menu while inserting the cable.
06:52:23meshmanSweet thanks for the tip
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06:53:53meshmanOne more question for ya man, this thing was full of music from itunes, i want to completely nuke all of that so i can just drag and drop music from now on, whats the easiest way to go about getting rid of the previous itunes format data....
06:54:06Lloreanmeshman: Delete the iPod_Control folder.
06:54:19LloreanThe original firmware will rebuild it, nearly empty, next time you boot it. This will remove all previous songs, etc.
06:54:37meshmanawesome, thanks man, i know its gonna be cheesey, but you guys ROCK :)
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06:55:57john23on that page it says to use this: mformat -S 2048 -M 2048 -F a:
06:56:07john23(which doesn't work)
06:56:21john23argssize must be less than 6
06:56:22Lloreanjohn23: You need to configure mformat to use a drive letter for your mount point.
06:56:29LloreanAnd check its documentation.
06:56:29john23I did
06:56:36LloreanThe parameters may have changed.
06:56:46john23# # Linux floppy drives
06:56:46john23drive a: file="/dev/sdb2"
06:57:00john23in /etc/mtools.conf
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06:57:17john23however, on this page:
06:57:39john23it says to use this: mformat -t 2428 -h 255 -n 63 -S 4 -M 2048 -F a:
06:57:47Lloreanjohn23: Honestly, those pages are community documentation. If the command line there doesn't work, you'll need to compare it with what mtools says the command line is.
06:58:21lol3izer__why are you using mformat
06:58:21john23I just don't know what those numbers mean, much less what they should be
06:58:28lol3izer__use mkfs.vfat
06:58:40john23lol3izer__: cause it might be that mkfs.vfat is causing the problem
07:00:24john23it's weird, cause in that second version it the -t is set to 2428 and -S is set to 4
07:00:49john23or it might not be weird
07:01:59Lloreanjohn23: As I said, teh parameters may have changed.
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07:02:23flowerptI saw something in the irc logs from earlier about a problem with the 'current' bootloader - would these: be the same as I would have downloaded today with rbutilqt?
07:02:49john23by the way, after formating the second partition and before applying the "./ipodpatcher -a bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod" and the .rockbox... Should I be rebooting the ipod???? or after the ipodpatcher?
07:04:59Lloreanflowerpt: What bug are you referring to?
07:05:11Lloreanjohn23: Does it say to?
07:06:10flowerptLlorean: "23:38:04gevaertsNo. It needs the same build, but there is a bug in the released bootloader that could explain this"
07:06:30flowerptanother guy was having a problem with rockbox.ipod file not found, like mine.
07:06:56john23I'm just going off of what gevaerts said in this one-liner: (07:44:50 PM) gevaerts: first mbr, then make the kernel reload that mbr, then dd the firmware, then format the data partition, then bootloader and .rockbox
07:07:30flowerptI'm not sure which bootloader rbutilqt is downloading. I can try the one from the bug and see.
07:07:32Lloreanjohn23: So why not follow the actual page?
07:08:23john23 ends at "mformat -S 2048 -M 2048 -F DRIVE_LETTER:"
07:08:36vcardenas_hi... i would like to have write permission in the wiki
07:08:47john23checking this page now
07:11:20john23weird, now my ipod just boots up with a picture on it showing that the usb cable needs to be plugged into the ipod
07:11:27ShadowpillarI'm currently having trouble patching my e250R
07:11:29*john23 plugs it
07:11:40john23oh.. she wanted juice i guess
07:11:47ShadowpillarI just get "unknown device" when I do the manufacture mode thing
07:11:59flowerptnah, same deal. bummer. the contrast is better on the bootloader screen, though.
07:12:10Shadowpillarsays it automatically installed drivers then says it couldnt find drivers
07:12:14john23dang.. same error
07:12:20ShadowpillarI point it to the drivers and it still wont install them
07:12:27john23(gonna try to apply the patch again)
07:12:40Shadowpillarfollowing this
07:13:13Shadowpillarusing XP pro
07:14:10flowerptis there a way to get more more verbose info from the bootloader beyond 'file not found'?
07:14:15john23file not found
07:14:25john23flowerpt: same here
07:14:38john23what version ipod do you have?
07:14:54flowerptjohn23: 5GB
07:15:26flowerptI'll repost my original query since it's a few screens up now:
07:15:26john23flowerpt: I have the 30gig.. 5.5Gen, video
07:15:29flowerptflowerpt: seeking debugging guidance. iPod 5GB (FAT32), Rockbox 3.0 stable, OSX, rbutilqt, bootloader says it can't find rockbox.ipod, but it's at /Volumes/ipodname/.rockbox/rockbox.ipod when in disk mode. Have uninstalled/reinstalled.
07:16:06john23yea, linux here.. slightly different hardware, but same error
07:16:48john23What partition does it say your 5 gigs are on?
07:17:07flowerptpartition 1: 0x0b 4736 MB
07:18:35john23yea, mine says partition 1 too.. but linux (or osx) sees that as partition 2
07:18:44flowerptI followed the formatting instructions which called for slice 2 under OSX - BSD disklabels confuse me.
07:18:44john23Which might be normal
07:19:12john23strange thing here on linux, gparted (maybe a bug) only sees my device as a 7 gig device.
07:19:17flowerptIt has something to do with a PDP-11 or something historically crazy like that...
07:19:39john23nautilus sees 30 gigs.. cfdisk, fdisk.. they all see 30 gigs
07:19:56john23something about unregular cylinder count for ipods or something
07:20:29john23that's funny
07:21:00flowerptthere used to be an 8GB limit on FAT, didn't there?
07:21:27flowerptis your gparted current? It's got EFI support and everything in current versions.
07:21:44flowerptran into that installing Fedora 9 on my MBP.
07:21:51john23mmm.. not sure, but theres that 4 gig ram limit on 32 bit systems, so it's probably within the exponent
07:22:11john23ubuntu 8.04
07:22:25flowerptyeah, you'd think that was current enough.
07:22:59john23Version: 0.3.5-1ubuntu3, whatever that is
07:23:04meshmanHey, running into one small issue, when using the rockbox while chargin + playing (by holding down menu when inseritng the cable) windows pops up to automatically install the device, when it cant find a suitible driver, it gives up and the rockbox(ipod) reboots
07:23:08meshmanany thoughts?
07:23:16john23 libparted1.7-1 (>= 1.7.1-1)
07:23:52john23meshman: (I'm new here)
07:24:07meshmangot ya,
07:24:27flowerptgparted-0.3.7-1.fc9 on Fedora 9, FWIW
07:24:52flowerptOK, yeah, the ipodpatcher app sees it as partition 1 as well:
07:25:01flowerpt[INFO] Scanning disk devices...
07:25:02flowerpt[INFO] Ipod found - 1st or 2nd Generation ("winpod") - /dev/disk2
07:25:02flowerpt[INFO] Reading partition table from /dev/disk2
07:25:02DBUGSent KICK flowerpt to server
07:25:02flowerpt[INFO] Sector size is 512 bytes
07:25:02flowerpt[INFO] Part Start Sector End Sector Size (MB) Type
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07:25:14john23not using gpated anyway though
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07:25:40scorcheflowerpt: next time, might i recommend a pastebin...
07:25:59Shadowpillaranyone here familiar with the e250R?
07:26:05Shadowpillarthe sansa e250R that is?
07:26:06flowerptI wonder what the rate limit is...
07:26:18scorcheflowerpt: dont try and test it
07:26:48flowerptwell, I have no more data to share anyhow.
07:27:37krazykitShadowpillar, why not just ask your question?
07:27:46john23last few lines didnt post
07:28:30Shadowpillaranyway I cant seem to be able to patch my Sansa E250R
07:29:02john23whats the error?
07:29:06Shadowpillarit auto detects it
07:29:22Shadowpillarthen when I go to manually install the drivers, they dont install
07:29:32Shadowpillarjust says the current driver is the best suited driver
07:29:46Shadowpillarand the device comes up as "unknown device" and says there are no drivers installed
07:29:48Shadowpillarany ideas?
07:31:05john23holy crap I saw the rockbox splash screen!
07:31:48john23flowerpt: I just tried the utility again and it finally worked
07:32:08flowerptjust repeating the action?
07:32:19Shadowpillarso what can I do to fix this?
07:32:33john23Shadowpillar: not using windows here
07:32:36Shadowpillarit just wont let me install the drivers
07:32:46Shadowpillartemptedt o fire up either linux in a VM or my eeepc
07:33:16john23flowerpt: here is what I did
07:33:51john23 sudo dd if=mbr-video30gb-2048.bin of=/dev/sdb
07:35:16john23gotta get the mbr for your own device here:
07:35:50john23sudo eject /dev/sdb
07:35:57john23so it fully writes out the table
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07:36:26john23then, sudo dd if=Firmware-25.6.3 of=/dev/sdb1
07:37:02john23gotta get the version for your hardware here:
07:37:52john23use this page to help you find your version of hardware, specifically (if there are multiple firmware versions of the same model)
07:38:28john23(of cource, you'll have to modify your device paths, etc... )
07:39:00john23then, this seems to work, i guess, for me: mformat -t 2428 -h 255 -n 63 -S 4 -M 2048 -F a:
07:39:04flowerpthrm, I definitely didn't do the Apple firmware install.
07:39:45john23i'm running mtools version Version: 3.9.11-0ubuntu1
07:40:12john23(actually, I had to run that with a sudo)
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07:40:36john23then sudo ./ipodpatcher -a bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod
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07:41:10john23which I retrieved from here:
07:41:42john23Then I tried extracting the rockbox software into the second partion
07:42:30john23Which I got from here:
07:42:58john23now.. that's where I've been for the past few hours, trying those steps in different combinations...
07:43:40john23finally, I tried the rockbox utility (the graphical installer) once again and it suddenly worked... I don't know what made it work this time, but it was some combination of the sequence
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07:47:50flowerptok, just compiled mtools, will try mformat now (skipping the ipod firmware this go-around for variable isolation)
07:48:36flowerptjohn23: are the mformat flags specific to your disk geometry?
07:48:59john23.. a little.. one sec
07:49:30flowerpterrr, that was poorly phrased.
07:50:03flowerptthe sane question would have been, "how did you determine the flags specific to your disk geometry?"
07:50:44john23I ripped that from but I think those directions might be 5/5.5G centric
07:51:00john23that page is geared towards macs though
07:51:20flowerptah, yeah.
07:52:06john23there's a little more information on sectors and geometry at the bottem of this page:
07:52:17john23but I'm not sure how useful it will be to you.
07:52:37john23there's an mformat command on that page as well but it errors for me
07:54:06flowerptI'm comparing minfo output to that at the moment... not sure what the bootloader is expecting.
07:56:47john23im guessing 512 size sectors for yours
07:57:59john23so, wild guess here, switch -M 2048 with -M 512?
07:58:24flowerptyeah, it's 512, just seeing how much mformat will autodetect.
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07:58:48john23well, itd probably default to 512 anyway
07:59:00flowerptah: mformat: Unknown geometry (You must tell the complete geometry of the disk,
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08:00:27flowerptoh, fab, minfo gives you the mformat commandline. nice!
08:00:39flowerptI just need to give it -F, I think for FAT32
08:01:33john23how do you exit apps?
08:05:16flowerptwhich kind of app?
08:05:22flowerptoh, nm
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09:05:42flowerptjohn23: if you ever see this thanks for all your help. Ultimately, trying all combinations I'm gonna back out and file a bug report.
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10:22:09shoegooi am trying to install 3.0 on my e280 (v1), but the rbutil is giving me an error "extracting failed: unable to create or open file"
10:23:34shoegooanyone seen this before? I am using rbutil 1.0.7
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10:24:39pixelmais your e200 in MSC mode? Just a guess, don't know much about installing with RBUtil
10:25:45pixelmaand is this the first install or just updating builds?
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10:27:57shoegooI am checking the usb mode, I think it is in msc, but it's taking a few minutes to boot the stock firmware. I originally was updating from an older version of rb, but when that failed I tried completely removing rb and installing clean
10:28:01pixelmashoegoo: I just mean that - if you are trying a "full installation" or "bootloader installation" on a Sansa, you need to run RBUtil with administrative rights
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10:29:51shoegooit's in msc mode and i am trying to do a full installation so i have been running rbutil in admin mode
10:30:00shoegoomaybe i should just try installing it manually?
10:32:22pixelmaI would give the utility another try
10:32:45pixelmaah, sorry misread
10:33:49shoegoono worries
10:36:05pixelmahmm, I'm a bit out of ideas then. Would be interesting to know what's going on for you though also because rbutil 1.07 is only out since yesterday or so
10:37:11pixelmashoegoo: what OS are you on?
10:38:09shoegoowell, I am on current ubuntu, but this is my friends sansa, and he tried today on his win2k box and ran into the same issue, weird huh?
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11:13:22JdGordonmcuelenaere: hey, you do a bit of work with the wps editor yeah?
11:13:40mcuelenaereJdGordon: yes, I did help a bit
11:14:04JdGordonwhich IDE do you use?
11:14:10mcuelenaerepretty much none
11:14:20mcuelenaereI used Code::Blocks because krz used it
11:14:27mcuelenaerebut now I just use Notepad++
11:14:29JdGordonhmm ok
11:15:17mcuelenaereare you thinking of improving it?
11:15:45JdGordonyeah, i wanted to, but kate is no good for it
11:16:11mcuelenaereyou do know of the Qt Development kit?
11:16:44JdGordonyeah, I'ev got their designer and doc browser installed
11:17:14mcuelenaereok, what's the problem with kate?
11:17:45JdGordoni dunno, its fine for c, c++ feels odd in it or somethng
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12:29:33funkyrockbox utility fails at adding the bootloader on my ipod video
12:30:04funky[ERR] Short read - requested 8388608 bytes, received 3274240
12:30:04funky[ERR] Image movement failed.
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12:32:20pixelmafunky: what version of the Rockbox Utility are you running and on what OS?
12:33:14funkyI see it's not the last one
12:33:27funkyI downloaded the 64bits binary for linux
12:33:32funkyfrom the web
12:33:50funkyI don't know why it got that version instead of the last one
12:34:16funkyah, because there isn't m.107 for 64 bits
12:34:45*funky tries with m107 32bits
12:35:55funky[ERR] Short read - requested 8388608 bytes, received 3274240
12:35:56funky[ERR] Image movement failed.
12:38:03funkypixelma: any idea?
12:38:25pixelmasorry, no
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12:41:51funkyshould I try to install it manually ?
12:42:06funkyand then install the firmware through the utility
12:44:08funkyfuck, this is a pita
12:45:11funkyI think I'm gonna try on windows
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12:48:56pixelmafunky: just checking - is your Ipod correctly working (with the Apple firmware) and/or did you have to take additional steps like converting the file system before trying to install Rockbox?
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12:50:32pixelmalots, if you have a question - just ask (see guidelines)
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12:52:36jackiassDo you know how to get it to show album arts with the cabbiev2 theme?
12:52:57jackiassiPod Nano 1g
12:53:55pixelmadid you read the AlbumArt wiki page?
12:54:14Bagdernever-ending series of 3.0 news
12:54:31Bagderin this case, at least I think it is ;-)
12:55:01pixelmathat looks like Chinese to me ;)
12:55:15jackiasstheres an AlbumArt Wiki?
12:56:30advcomp2019jackiass, yes there is
12:56:33jackiassdo you know where that is?
12:57:10advcomp2019here then:
12:57:14pixelmathere's an AlbumArt page in the Rockbox wiki
12:58:52funkypixelma: it worked on windows
12:59:00funkywell, it failed at installing themes
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12:59:07funkybut I think that's a general issue
12:59:18funkynot exclusively mine
12:59:26scorchefunky: that is to be expected
13:00:22funkypixelma: I think it's a kind of bug in the linux version of the utility
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13:00:38funkyif the dev is around and want any sort of debug, let me know
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13:41:25dereinehi, is there a way to bring rockbox to sansa e250 V2
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13:45:49advcomp2019dereine, do you know how to code? ;)
13:46:12dereineadvcomp2019: partly yes
13:46:43dereineis there a way to help?
13:47:03advcomp2019you will need to look on the thread in the forum then
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14:16:28eagledrchi, i need a hidden partition dump file for the sansa e280r
14:18:20funmanyou can dump it yourself if you are willing to open your sansa
14:23:06advcomp2019funman, i think he needs it because he has a corrupted version.txt file via recovery mode and he tried the unbricking steps and it is still corrupted after the e200tool
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15:18:52eagledrc_hi, i need a hidden partition dump file for the sansa e280r
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15:21:07breitihey.... iPod nano (1st) gen doenst start (with pressing select/play)
15:21:27breitiand menu
15:21:37breitihow to start
15:21:44breiti(without connecting to the pc)
15:21:48breitiits a bug?
15:22:44breitihuh? it even doesnt start with connecting to the PC X_X
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15:26:22breitireboot fixed this o.o
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16:04:37kugelJdGordon: hey, I updated my pf patch
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16:17:36luck00hi all
16:18:33john23this is awesome
16:19:50luck00i search for a little help about rockbox patching...can i ask here ?
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16:20:29domonokyluck00: just ask...
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16:22:55luck00for example i try to find colorised-wps+battery-volume_levels.patch on flyspray but it is a little bit dificult
16:23:19luck00i want to make a custom build for my x5
16:23:39luck00and try to find the best patches for it
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16:23:44luck00there is any fast way?
16:26:55domonokyluck00: a fast way would be, to see if there is already a custom build with this patches in the forum.
16:27:47luck00thx allready i find one...:)
16:28:03luck00it is an old build but i have the pathces
16:29:26domonokythere is no shortcut, just apply a desired patch, and see if it compiles. (otherwise the patch is outof date, and you have to fix it, or give up)...
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16:42:02uepDoes the rockbox boatloader support a dual-boot kind of behavior?
16:42:16mevenuep: yes
16:42:16uepSpecifically, for the h10.
16:42:27meveni know this at least for ipod
16:43:09debianforlifeI am having a hard time installing the bootloader on my 4th gen grey ipod, I used the "Rockbox utility" to install rockbox, but neither the ipodpatcher script, or the utility will install the bootloader
16:44:16Nevtusuep, yes although rockbox will always be the default over the normal firmware
16:45:14Nevtusdebianforlife, going from your nick I guess you're on linux? I had to run it as root
16:46:04debianforlifeI am running both the script and the utility as root, still saying it can't find the ipod
16:46:45*domonoky notes that ipodpatcher isnt a script. and rbutil uses the same code :-)
16:46:46debianforlifethe data partition on my ipod is 3, not 2 like it would be on most 4th gen ipods, could that be the cause of the issue?
16:46:51domonokywhat error do you get ?
16:47:08debianforlife[INFO] Scanning disk devices...
16:47:08debianforlife[ERR] No ipods found, aborting
16:47:08debianforlife[ERR] Please connect your ipod and ensure it is in disk mode
16:47:08DBUGSent KICK debianforlife to server
16:47:08debianforlife[ERR] Please refer to the Rockbox manual if you continue to have problems.
16:47:08Kick(#rockbox debianforlife :No flooding!) by logbot!n=bjst@gateway/web/cgi-irc/
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16:47:43debianforlifehow do i post the error without getting kicked out for flooding?
16:47:49domonokyyes, if the ipod partitioning isnt original, ipodpatcher wont find it..
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16:48:46debianforlifedomonoky, so for it to work I have to put it back to the original partitioning scheme?
16:48:53debianforlifesda2 for data
16:49:12domonokydebianforlife: yes, best to restore it completly
16:49:21debianforlifeok, thanks for your help
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17:07:48*kugel should definitely pay more attention on compiler warnings
17:09:44kugelSlasheri: ping
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17:10:39a2cypherHey, was the fontpack changed or something? I'm trying to find helvR12.fnt because I need it for a theme but its no longer in the fontpack that I downloaded
17:10:52BigBambiyes, there is now logic in the naming
17:11:07a2cypherso which font is the one I need?
17:11:33kugel12-adobe-helvitica (or like that)
17:11:41a2cypherbecause its sure broken a lot of fonts.
17:11:45a2cypherer themes
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17:12:19BigBambiAnd has made it a lot more sensible
17:12:22kugela2cypher: more information here:
17:12:35BigBambiAnd given it is a one line fix, I don't think it is too onerous
17:13:05kugeldionoea: ping
17:13:09a2cypherI agree that the naming convention makes sense.. just that it would be nice if there were a backwards compatible version of the font-pack that worked with current themes
17:13:22BigBambiThat would defeat the point
17:13:33BigBambiAnd to fix a theme, it is one line
17:13:46a2cypherwell then maybe a warning on the themes page that says "warning: none of these themes will work unmodified"
17:13:48dionoeakugel: pong
17:13:55BigBambiThat isn't true
17:14:05kugelI get a warning with your settings tag patch
17:14:16dionoeaA compilation warning?
17:14:24BigBambiAnd if they are licensed properly (which all the ones on the WpsGallery should be, anyone can fix it and reupload
17:14:48kugelyea, comparison between signed and unsigned in wps_parser
17:15:14dionoeawell if you have a fix, feel free to attach it to the track entry
17:15:33dionoeasomething like in the array size comparison?
17:15:53a2cypherother than the fonts annoyance, I do love rockbox so far. keep up the good work guys
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17:17:19kugelNo, I have no fix (yet)
17:17:28funmanhoy dionoea
17:17:38dionoeahey funman ! So, how's that SD driver going? :)
17:18:03funmanwe are still very confused
17:18:11a2cypherthats odd. hervR12 is actually now 15-Adobe-Helvetica
17:18:16dionoeakugel: or is it the strlen() == comparison?
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17:18:55a2cypherIs there a definitive list of plugins somewhere on the site ?
17:19:24BigBambiyes, in the wiki
17:19:37BigBambiIt is called PluginIndex or something similar
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17:20:30a2cypherthe best plugin that i would LOVE to see on my ipod; but I doubt this is possible; would be a PDF viewer.
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17:21:29kugeldionoea: yea, I think so
17:21:38mevenis there people working on meizu m6 port here ?
17:21:48Nevtusa2cypher, hah, i was just searching to see if one existed a few hours ago
17:22:00meveni am tring to run the bootloader using DFU on my SL
17:22:30mevenbut i get the error "Error trying to get CPU model, exiting."
17:23:09mevenwhereas on the forums sl is marked as supportted by the DFU tool and the actual bootloader
17:23:16meveni'd like to find out why
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17:25:21mevengevaerts, markun, if you are here
17:26:43dionoeakugel: weird thing is that strlen() return type is size_t and end-ptr should be something like size_t too (well, ptrdiff_t)
17:27:05dionoeakugel: so both should be signed values
17:27:50dionoeawell looks like strcmp returns int instead of size_t in rockbox ... but that's the same thing
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17:30:58kugelbut int is probably sighned
17:31:22funmanif the signedness is not explicit it could be signed or not
17:31:28funmanthere is no default (this is compiler dependant)
17:32:00meveni just forgot to run meizu_dfu as root :/ my bad
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17:32:32funmansize_t is not signed afaik
17:33:19dionoeaa right. ssize_t is
17:33:28a2cypherquick question.. what would cause a .mpg to not be displayed when browsing files?
17:33:33dionoeaa2cypher: your file display settings maybe
17:34:30a2cypheryup.. that was it
17:34:41dionoeayou're welcome
17:36:30a2cyphermy video seems to chop every half second or so
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17:36:42BigBambiWhat target?
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17:36:44kugeldionoea: I just casted end-ptr to unsigned, that should do it (or not?)
17:36:47a2cypheripod video
17:37:01BigBambiBig screen + slow processor = bad peformance
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17:37:21dionoeakugel: that should work (since we know that end >= ptr)
17:37:23BigBambiThe ipod video is the worst performing Rockbox target, you are better off watching videos in the OF
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17:37:32a2cypherI see
17:38:03a2cypherthats kind of strange.. you'd think the ipod video would be best at playing videos. he he
17:38:20dionoeaa2cypher: rockbox doesn't use the dedicated video decoding chip
17:38:21BigBambiNo, the OF uses an additional decoding chip that we don't have to use
17:38:31kugeldionoea: as far as I see, end and ptr are char*, not size_t
17:38:42a2cypheroh, that explains it
17:38:57dionoeakugel: a difference between 2 pointers is ptrdiff_t which is often the same as "signed int"
17:38:57a2cypheris it that you cant use it or that you choose not to?
17:39:04BigBambidon't know how to
17:39:16kugelah well, didn't know that
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17:39:31dionoeakugel: since basically it returns the number of char between the 2. (so an int)
17:39:34BigBambiLike all ipod hardware, this is undocumented. However as it benefits only the video, and then only for playing video, nobody has tried to reverse engineer it
17:39:43a2cypherI see
17:39:46a2cyphermakes sense
17:40:24kugeldionoea: From a forum post I found in google: "size_t is defined as an unsigned type, and ptrdiff_t is defined as a signed type, period."
17:40:26a2cypherwell if I werent too busy and actually cared much about the video on my ipod I might actually give it a go
17:40:49dionoeakugel: yep. (and ssize_t is signed). So that would explain the missmatch
17:40:57funmanmakes sense
17:41:09dionoeaeven though the rockbox strcmp seems to use int and not unsigned int for the return type
17:41:24funmanstrcmp() must return an int
17:41:59funmanstr(n)cmp() return an integer less than, equal, or greater than zero
17:42:03dionoeaerr, why did I lookup strcmp() while this is strlen() ...
17:42:05*dionoea wonders
17:42:29dionoeayeah, strlen() is size_t in rockbox too :)
17:42:37funmanunless your string is more than 2^31 chars no problem
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17:54:17uepHmm, is there anything I can do help accelerate USB support for the iriver h10?
17:54:32uepI'm actually an embedded programmer, but I can't say I've ever written a usb driver.
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17:55:11BigBambiuep: YOu want to speak to gevaerts
17:55:11funmanyou can start by reading the specs I think
17:55:22BigBambiThe Rockbox USB driver is virtually done
17:55:31funmanbut since it's very long iirc you should ask for specific sections
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17:55:39BigBambiAs far as I am aware the remaining problem is bus resets when using hubs
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17:55:47BigBambiI *think* timing problems are suspected
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17:56:29*kugel thinks pictureflow looks much better with my new defaults
17:57:24kugels/me/his/ :P
17:57:42kugelgevaerts: pin
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18:00:05uepBigBambi: I get no response by ubuntu when I plug the device in. I'm using a build though, not a daily.
18:00:16BigBambiDid you read that link?
18:00:20uepI've also tried front and back ports.
18:00:37BigBambiIt isn't enabled by default, as the wiki page I posted a link to says
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18:00:54uepOkay, I guess I should have taken that from "It's not ready yet."
18:01:08BigBambiYou need to change a couple of defines then build Rockbox to enable it, because of the issues also outlined on the page I linked you to
18:01:26uepI see.
18:01:48saratogauep: the stack itself is working, just theres some glitch in the USB controller on the PP targets (H10 included) that needs to be worked around
18:01:58uepI had read most of that page earlier today, but stupidly I somehow skipped the "Enabling mass storage support" section.
18:02:04BigBambiAnd in the SD driver on the Sansas
18:02:19kugelsomeone with an c200 available to test FS #6800?
18:02:31BigBambikugel: OK
18:02:35LambdaCalculus37kugel: What's FS #6800?
18:02:43kugelbacklight fading
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18:03:32kugelit's enabled for e200 only, but easily expandable to c200 (define HAVE_BACKLIGHT_THREAD_FADING in config-c200.h)
18:03:37*funman highlights on *sansa*sd*
18:03:38LambdaCalculus37kugel: Okay, let me roll a build.
18:04:00hospadarI was wondering about what are people's favorite device for the rockbox
18:04:15BigBambiDepends. Day to day gigabeat, recording H100
18:04:19kugeland since c200 and e200 use the same backlight driver, it should work
18:04:29LambdaCalculus37gevaerts: Here?
18:04:42hospadargigabeat F?
18:04:50BigBambiF currently, soo to be S
18:05:00BigBambiThe S just isn't quite complete
18:05:07kugelLambdaCalculus37: cool, thanks. It's not my patch, but I really like it, and would love it to be committed
18:05:45hospadarare there unreleased builds that will run on the S?
18:05:51hospadaror are they not useable yet
18:05:52kugeland it should actually work on *any* device with adjustable backlight brightness
18:05:52BigBambiYou can build it yourself
18:06:13BigBambiYou need to apply patches to get charging, bass+treble etc doesn't work yet
18:06:27BigBambi+ other stuff I can't think of at the moment
18:06:50LambdaCalculus37Bad battery life still.
18:06:58hospadardoes the gigabeat just use a regular mini usb (for data and charging?)
18:07:02*LambdaCalculus37 waits for his build to finish
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18:07:29markunmeven: hi
18:07:35markunare you going to work on the meizu port?
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18:08:26hospadarhow difficult is it to develop for rockbox?
18:08:32mevenmarkun i am trying to
18:08:52krazykithospadar, well, you need to know C
18:08:52LambdaCalculus37hospadar: Not way too difficult, but it does require some skills with C.
18:08:55hospadaras in, what tools do you use, how do you draw menues, etc
18:08:56mevenat least i have some C skills a m6sl and the will to learn more
18:09:00hospadarI do know C
18:09:07hospadarand am familiar with gcc
18:09:11kugelLambdaCalculus37: don't forget to define HAVE_BACKLIGHT_THREAD_FADING :)
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18:09:20LambdaCalculus37kugel: Crap!
18:09:24*LambdaCalculus37 starts the build over
18:10:15krazykithospadar, there's a developer's section of the rockbox wiki you could check out for some good information
18:10:25hospadarohh alright
18:10:29hospadarwell thanks dudes
18:10:48hospadartime to fix my zen vision:M so I can sell it to afford something for rockbox =)
18:10:48LambdaCalculus37kugel: Should've warned me sooner. ;)
18:10:53markunmeven: the more people the better. We are all busy with other things besides rockbox, so sometimes progress can be bit slow.
18:11:01kugelLambdaCalculus37: well I actually did :P
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18:11:49mevenmarkun: yes i can imagine, plus rockbox is not a small project
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18:12:11kugelWasn't there decent progress on the ZVM port?
18:12:42kugelIt's probably a better idea to fix the ZVM, but not in order to sell but rather help porting
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18:13:17LambdaCalculus37kugel: Yes, mcuelenaere was making some good progress. But I think he's taking a little breather right now, since he's also working on the Onda port.
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18:14:31mevenmarkun and since i love rockbox and i own a meizu why sit on a chair and wait when i could help porting it
18:14:57kugelmeven: Exactly!
18:15:16saratogai'm hoping the ZVM port resumes once they figure out the file system weirdness
18:15:24saratogathe TMS320 chip it uses is interesting
18:15:26Stormx2What's up with the filesystem?
18:15:27funmanhum we can rotate a register to the right but not to the left
18:15:35Stormx2I wish rockbox supported my Zen Micro :(
18:15:54kugelfunman: are you sure? (I assume you're talking about the v2 port)
18:16:14kugelI remember I read about rotation in both direction
18:16:17funmanwell I look at the arm instructions quick reference card
18:16:26markunmeven: can you read ARM assembly language?
18:16:32funmanror for rotate right
18:16:51meveni can try i do know only the basics for now
18:16:54funmanprobably I can do without it
18:17:08markunmeven: We're trying to figure out how to write to the display, but so far no luck. You would have to ask gevaerts about the code he wrote it you ware interested.
18:17:21saratogaStormx2: it uses an odd creative file system thats not entirely reverse engineered
18:17:47funmancan you write to it only with MTP ?
18:17:50mevenmarkun: this is exactly what i am waiting for
18:18:01kugelfunman: you rotate left by rotation right with (32-n)
18:18:02mevenbut for now i have a small problem
18:18:25funmankugel: ah of course :)
18:18:27meveni can not run the booloader using the DFU tools
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18:19:15Stormx2I might buy an ipod or something just so I can use rockbox
18:19:16saratogafunman: its normally written to with the creative software (not sure if its MTP)
18:19:22Stormx2Want to play flac and use :(
18:19:27Bawitdabai have my ipod connected to usb and i held menu while i connected it but its not charging
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18:19:44saratogado ipods charge in rockbox?
18:19:46kugelLambdaCalculus37: ping :) How's it going?
18:19:49j6saratoga: yep
18:19:56j6make sure to buy a 5.5g
18:20:10Stormx2Infact, does anyone have a recommendation for a player that works well with RockBox and has a good amount of space (20GB+, ideally a bunch more)
18:20:15Stormx2Value for money and all that.
18:20:32j6Stormx2: cowon players are great
18:20:46j6just replace their drives with something bigger
18:20:48LambdaCalculus37kugel: Built and testing.
18:21:02Stormx2j6, is that easy to do?
18:21:09krazykitStormx2, gigabeat f40s go for pretty cheap on ebay
18:21:13j6Stormx2: yeah, I think so
18:21:16saratogathe most popular hard disk players these days are the Gigabeats
18:21:18domonokyStormx2: take a look at:
18:21:23kugelStormx2: consider buying a gigabeat F/X (or S)
18:21:23saratogacowans are very difficult to get
18:21:27LambdaCalculus37kugel: Looks like a good patch. But I'll leave it up to the real devs to decide if it should go in.
18:21:30Stormx2Oh okay
18:22:03kugelLambdaCalculus37: So it works? Then it would be kind if you update the patch on the tracker (and rename the title to include c200)
18:22:23Stormx2Oh that is good
18:22:27*Stormx2 looks on ebay
18:22:54kugelLambdaCalculus37: I think the patch is good, but it could be easily expanded to other targets, and thus be written more generic
18:23:11LambdaCalculus37kugel: Hang on... Mac OS X is being moody again...
18:23:17*LambdaCalculus37 kicks his build environment
18:23:52kugelI'm not sure which dev is "most responsible" for backlight (if any)
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18:24:07Stormx2The only gigabeat f/x/s stuff on is batteries :(
18:25:00kugelStormx2: Well, that's the general problem with rockbox. just about every supported target isn't sold anymore
18:25:01LambdaCalculus37kugel: I need to update my SVN checkout, because I want this patch as recent as I can.
18:25:18Stormx2kugel, hm yeah.
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18:25:56Nevtusis the ipod video 80GB the largest player (storage wise) that Rockbox works with?
18:26:21LambdaCalculus37Nevtus: The largest in terms of out-of-the-box capacity, yes.
18:26:31saratogai'm seeing a bunch of gigabeats on US ebay
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18:27:41Nevtus80GB just isn't enough these days :(
18:27:52LambdaCalculus37So get a larger hard drive.
18:28:13Nevtusi guess
18:29:19Stormx2I have about 350GB of music and only a 6GB player :(
18:29:32LambdaCalculus37wpyh: Here?
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18:31:02kugelLambdaCalculus37: I guess a mail to the mailing list would be the best way to get opinions from the other devs
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18:31:19uepHow do I get the h10 to go back into UMS mode? I can get it to load the old firmware, but how do I get it back to UMS?
18:31:36LambdaCalculus37uep: The technique is in the manual.
18:32:05uepAlright, looking...
18:34:45uepI actually read this already (because I used it to install rockbox like an hour ago), but for some reason I apparently missed the note.
18:35:15basquiathi there! I just installed rockbox on my sandisk e280, and encounter some strange noise isse: not that I hear a few ticks when my sansa is "thinking", I just *only* hear distorted heavy and loud ticks and pops, but no music at all. is there a known issue, or maybe something I overlooked?
18:37:08saratogawhat file type?
18:37:49LambdaCalculus37wpyh: Committed meizu_dfu.c with the new, shiny Rockbox header.
18:38:28wpyhLambdaCalculus37: thanks :D
18:39:00wpyhis there documentation on how the menus (main menu, settings menu, etc) are created?
18:39:21wpyhI've looked at the files in apps/menus/ but they look all jumbled up
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18:40:00saratogadid you mean to change the USB_PID?
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18:42:39kugelwpyh: the main list code is in apps/gui/list.c and apps/gui/bitmap/list.c
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18:43:20JdGordon|zzzwpyh: there is a bit in the wiki
18:43:27kugelthe latter is more drawing.
18:43:29JdGordon|zzzlook for menu api in the docs index
18:43:52WillHauckDo you know any rockbox branches?
18:44:02kugelwpyh: and in apps/menu.c you can find useful stuff too
18:44:30wpyhkugel, JdGordon: thanks
18:44:35kugelJdGordon|zzz: if you have time (after sleeping) you can look at my updated pictureflow patch
18:44:47Bawitdabais there an easy way to wipe the rockbox database so i can rebuild a new one
18:45:00Bawitdabai just deleted a ton of songs
18:45:04WillHauckWhat does your picflow branch do?
18:45:14kugelBawitdaba: "rm .rockbox/*.tcd"
18:45:22WillHauckI want it so it can start playback - just like an ipod
18:45:30Bawitdabalike on the player itself?
18:45:35Bawitdabai guess i can connect it
18:45:54kugelyou can delete the *.tcd files manually on the player yes
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18:46:24kugelWillHauck: That's what everyone wants. No my patch doesn't implement that
18:47:18wpyhhm... actually I was trying to edit the menus that are already there (move the menus around)
18:47:35WillHauckThere must be some way. What does your branch do?
18:47:35kugelwpyh: tell me more, I'm sure I can help you
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18:48:09wpyhI think the settings menu is too messy, and I want to move menu items and settings around
18:48:28mab1376i have a couple of questions about installing on a Toshiba Gigabeat.
18:48:45kugelwpyh: the settings menues are mainly in apps/menus
18:49:00wpyhfor example, under the sound settings, I would like to have Volume, Bass, Treble, Equalizer, and "Advanced Sound Settings"
18:49:37wpyhthen put the Balance, Channel Configuration, Stereo Width, Crossfeed and Dithering into "Advanced Sound Settings"
18:49:52mab1376i just bought a gigabeat with no OS, will i be able to install Rockbox? it is an F40.
18:49:52wpyhkugel: ok, I will look again in apps/menus/ then :)
18:50:13kugelthere's the sound_settings.c file which you would be looking for
18:50:23Dementiomab1376, from my understanding, yes
18:50:50kugelwpyh: the macros and functions all come from apps/menu.c/h
18:51:02mab1376do you know if there is any special procedures, or would regular guidlines in the manual work?
18:51:31Dementioi'd recommend using the installer if you're new, but yeah, same guidelines
18:51:56mab1376ok, sounds good, thanks!
18:52:25*LambdaCalculus37 nearly overlooked the PID values in meizu_dfu.c after he committed
18:52:36LambdaCalculus37I left them as the PID value for the 2nd gen nano. :P
18:52:38mab1376oh, does the installer work under Linux? or just windows. i plan on using Rythmbox as my media manager.
18:52:54LambdaCalculus37There's a version of Rockbox Utility for Linux.
18:53:10Dementioso, anyone know yet how to get the ipod video with an a-data speedy to work with rockbox 3.0?
18:53:26Dementioi'm at my wit's end about it
18:53:36mab1376does it have any special dependencies to install it?
18:53:39kugelwpyh: take the crossfeed submenu as an example on how to create submenues generally
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18:55:44wpyhkugel: ok, I'll take note of that :)
18:55:53Dementiohow do i save the bootloader currently being used on my ipod?
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18:58:41Dementioipodpatcher only shows options for reading partition, firmware, and aupd
18:58:47Dementionothing for bootloader
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19:00:48funmanwhy do you want to save it ?
19:00:59Dementiocause my current one works
19:01:15Dementiothe one i'm about to compile probably won't
19:01:16funmanyou will be able to restore it with normal Apple upgrades
19:01:34funmanah you mean your current rockbox bootloader?
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19:02:47funmanno idea, but if you build it again from stable it should work
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19:03:02funmanis it broken in the release?
19:03:07Dementiousing minicf mod
19:03:36Dementiothe a-data speedy 32Gb doesn't work unless custom comiled
19:03:56funmanisn't it stored on a special partition ?
19:04:04linuxstbDementio: It's straightforward to backup the bootloader if you're on Linux...
19:04:09Dementiohonestly don't know
19:04:30Dementiolinuxstb, i use linux
19:05:05linuxstbDementio: Then just "dd if=/dev/sdX1 of=backup.bin" will work. Do the reverse to restore it.
19:05:13linuxstb(replacing X appropriately)
19:05:58funmanno need to backup the full partition no ?
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19:06:24linuxstbfunman: Yes.
19:06:43linuxstbThat's the firmware partition.
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19:07:17LambdaCalculus37kugel: I don't notice any major changes with FS #6800.
19:07:36funmanah ok
19:08:22kugelLambdaCalculus37: just backlight fading
19:08:27Dementiolinuxstb, so to restore my current bootloader, use "dd if=backup.bin of=/dev/sdd1"?
19:08:49linuxstbDementio: Assuming /dev/sdd is your ipod, yes.
19:10:10Dementiojust double chaecking, 3.0+ is in svn right?
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19:11:37LambdaCalculus37kugel: New patch is up.
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19:12:16LambdaCalculus37I want to let the other devs see it and give it a whirl before it goes into SVN.
19:12:37saratogaDementio: 3.0 is r18392 with some bug fixes
19:14:27kugelLambdaCalculus37: Just to be sure, you've noticed the backlight fading? (You said you didn't notice major changes)
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19:15:28LambdaCalculus37kugel: Maybe it's my myopic eyes deceiving me, but I didn't really notice it. That's why I want the opinions of other devs first.
19:15:29kugelLambdaCalculus37: Hmm, I can't find the config-c200.h hunk :S
19:15:33Dementiook, current build (r18656-080927) still gives ATA error: -1
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19:15:41kugelAgain, are you sure you defined it?
19:16:02LambdaCalculus37I did.
19:16:21kugelit's not in the patch file though
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19:16:30LambdaCalculus37kugel: Oops.
19:16:37LambdaCalculus37Forgot to include it.
19:16:46Dementioi'll be happy when i actually figure this out
19:16:46Dementiostupid flash card
19:16:46kugeland if you did svn diff, it's not in your tree either
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19:18:13LambdaCalculus37kugel: Hang on, I'm going to make another patch for that.
19:18:40kugelLambdaCalculus37: again, my aim was to activate backlight fading on c200, not just seeing a working build
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19:19:44kugelI can't imagine that the patch does NOT work on c200 with defining HAVE_BACKLIGHT_THREAD_FADING in config-c200.h
19:20:43woodensouldoes anyone use a microSDHC card with their c200 or e200? I'm curious if the flash reading sound is still present when listening to music on the card.
19:21:05kugelgot to go now, gonna read logs
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19:22:05Dementiocan anyone help me out with an ata error: -1?
19:22:23Dementioi have no idea how to use the debug log
19:22:32Dementioor rather, what to do with the info
19:24:24LambdaCalculus37kugel: (for the logs) New version of the patch is up with the change applied to firmware/export/config_c200.h as well.
19:24:32LambdaCalculus37No build errors.
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19:30:01LambdaCalculus37kugel: (also for the logs) My myopic eyes do not deceive me. Backlight fading is working.
19:32:28Dementiocan anyone tell me what "DEV_RS = 0x3ffffef8;" actually does?
19:33:48Dementioi use to be able to just comment that line out and it would boot fine, but that no longer works
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19:49:48lasserwoodensoul, right now I'm listening some music from a 8GB sdhc card on my e280. cant notice any difference.
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19:52:03woodensoulso you hear the same noises that you hear when using the built in memory?
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19:58:01lasseryes, I think so.
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20:04:32uepCould someone point me to a page on how to build RockBox from source (not the bootloader)?
20:05:40uepNevermind, found them.
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20:29:39Dementiosome change in the last 5 days makes it so i can't get rockbox to work
20:31:49Bawitdabawhen you build a database on rockbox it only does supported songs right like im not sure if its indexing the same m3u and mp3 files twice
20:32:12bluebrotherthe database indexes files, not playlists.
20:32:26Bawitdabaah ok
20:32:34Bawitdabawhich files tho songs just songs
20:32:43Bawitdabanot jpgs or movies
20:32:57bluebrotherit indexes audio files.
20:33:04Bawitdabasweet ty
20:33:22bluebrotherRockbox is an audio player. Not an image viewer or a movie player. There are plugins for that, but it's not part of the core
20:33:24Dementiomine doesn't index flac
20:33:32Dementiois it suppose to?
20:33:36bluebrotherdoes it play the flac files?
20:33:50Dementioit does if i choose it in the file browser
20:34:13bluebrotherthen it should be able indexing them. I assume the metadata for those files is correct?
20:34:16Dementioand i have cue sheet support turned on
20:34:51bluebrotherwhat has cuesheet to do with the database?
20:35:20Dementiothe flac file is the whole cd, the cue sheet tells it where in the file the songs are
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20:36:56bluebrotherwell, then it won't work. The *file* needs to have the metadata.
20:37:01linuxstbDementio: I don't believe the database recognises cuesheets, it will just add the whole file to the index.
20:37:08*bluebrother never understood the use for cue sheets anyway
20:37:23Dementioit doesn't do either
20:37:44linuxstbDementio: That's probably because the file doesn't have any metadata (apart from the cue)
20:37:58linuxstbSo it will appear under "<Untagged>" somewhere
20:38:29Dementioi'll check that out later
20:38:50Dementiotrying to find out when rockbox stops working
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20:38:56linuxstbAlso, Rockbox doesn't support embedded cuesheets - just external .cue files.
20:39:40Dementioas in a .cue file?
20:39:55Dementiothat's what i use
20:40:11Dementioi can view tha cue sheet, but that's it
20:40:30bluebrotheryou need to play the file, not the cue sheet
20:40:34linuxstbYou need to enable cue support in the menus, then (I think) restart Rockbox, then when you play the .flac, Rockbox will use the .cue
20:41:02bluebrotherand it won't appear as multiple tracks, but only show the metadata (and have cue-track markers)
20:41:08Dementiowell, had support enabled, and restarted, but was trying to play via the cue sheet
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20:43:05Dementioat least i only have 5 days worth of svn changes to sort through
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20:43:52saratogaDementio: you asked about DEV_RS right?
20:44:59Dementioi use to be able to comment out that particular line and it would work, but with the current svn, it doesn't work any more
20:45:12Dementiotrying to find out when it stops working now
20:45:30Dementiocompiling 080923 atm
20:45:47saratogai believe Buschel worked on that in FS #8379 - power consumption issues PP502x/5G
20:46:50Dementiohow do i look up FS#'s?
20:47:58uepI'm attempting to build RockBox, but I'm not sure where to put the extra defines to enable USB support for the h10.
20:48:12Bawitdabais there a way to add jpeg album art support without rebuilding core rockbox like a special plugin or something
20:48:43saratogaBawitdaba: you can't do anything to the core without building the core
20:48:45Dementiomine support albumart without source changes
20:48:53Dementiojust have to use external bmp's
20:49:17uepI'm building from the tools directory, on the PortalPlayerUsb page it says to add extra defines to the EXTRA_DEFINES variable, but I don't see it in the makefile.
20:49:19saratogauep: the config-h10.h file in firmware/export
20:49:26Bawitdabasaratoga right i was wondering if there was a plugin or something until it becomes apart of the normal branch
20:49:41saratogauep: or the makefile should work too
20:50:20bluebrotheruep: the other variant is to edit the makefile. And you want to run configure from outside the tools folder.
20:50:35linuxstbBawitdaba: No, it's not technically possible, and no-one has worked on jpeg album art support, not even "unofficially"
20:50:47linuxstb(not technically possible to do it via a plugin)
20:51:27uepSorry about that, I just realized why I couldn't find it.
20:51:32uepMan, I am asleep at the wheel today.
20:51:55uepI *did* run configure from my build folder, but I was in the tools folder to build the cross-compiler.
20:52:07uepMy thanks to both of you.
20:55:10uepFrom what I've read of the PortalPlayer USB support page, I should have no problems with USB support on my h10 20gb, right?
20:55:17uepSince the 20gb has a mechanical drive.
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20:56:17bluebrotherfrom my understanding the issue is the flash on the e200 attached via an SD interface. I use the USB support myself on a mini 2G with CF mod.
20:56:33bluebrotherI haven't had issues but I also haven't checked the files.
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21:03:25Dementiohow do i check out an svn revision #?
21:03:50Dementior18563M works, but r18656M doesn't
21:03:57Dementiotrying to narrow it down
21:04:47funkywhat's the default font in the default theme of rockbox 3?
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21:05:06linuxstbThat depends on your device.
21:05:17funkyaha, it's an ipod video
21:05:48bluebrotherDementio: svn co -r 12345 / svn up -r 12345
21:05:59linuxstbfunky: Then "15-Adobe-Helvetica"
21:06:28funkylinuxstb: thank you, but... how did you know it ?
21:06:45funkyI was pretty sure it was adobe helvetica, but not sure about the size
21:06:51linuxstbI looked in apps/settings_list.h but you could also find it in the .cfg file for the theme
21:07:13linuxstbI meant settings_list.c
21:07:59funkythere is no 15-adobe-helvetica, 16 and 14
21:08:34funkyI think it was 13
21:09:11funkyI mean 12
21:10:07Dementioi'm a friggin dumbass
21:10:22linuxstbfunky: What's listed in the cabbiev2.cfg file on your ipod?
21:10:31Dementioi've been editing for an iriver h10 this entire time
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21:11:04funkylinuxstb: it hasn't been modified after changing the font?
21:11:20linuxstbfunky: No. Changes are saved to .rockbox/config.cfg
21:11:26funkyoh, ok
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21:12:38Dementiolet's try the current svn again after editing for the right target
21:12:47rebemoHello guys! I have now connected my iPod Nano 1st gen, and downloaded the WTF should i do now..? And sorry for the dumb question, i just can't get it..
21:13:30rebemoAnd yes, i have read the manual... like a million times
21:13:50funkyfont: /.rockbox/fonts/15-Adobe-Helvetica.fnt
21:14:09funkyyep, it says the you that you pointed, but actually that font does not exist
21:14:26funkyso somehow it uses 12
21:15:31bluebrotherrebemo: is most likely easier ...
21:15:43bluebrotherbesides, we have a really nice manual
21:16:42Dementiorebemo, linux, mac, or windows?
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21:18:21uepharrumph. The USB isn't working for me. I tried building it with high-speed, and then full-speed.
21:18:24uepNada on either.
21:18:33rebemoDementio: Windowsa
21:19:00bluebrotherRockbox Utility is available for linux, max, and windows :P
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21:19:14Dementiobeat me to it
21:19:50saratogaor just read the installation instructions in the manual
21:20:22*bluebrother wonders what's different to the link he already posted a couple of minutes ago
21:21:15rebemoOk.. thanks.. I think i'll try the manual installation a couple times more..
21:21:15Dementiobluebrother, nothing, but didn't see the one earlier
21:21:18bluebrotheruep: have you edited the correct config file? There are two variangs for h10
21:21:41bluebrotherrebemo: the recommended install is using Rockbox Utility ;-)
21:22:01uepI only edited the general Makefile.
21:23:23bluebrotherwhich general Makefile? You either edit the Makefile created by the configure run or edit firmware/export/config-<player>.h
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21:23:34rebemobluebrother: screw the recommandations, i got time
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21:23:47uepI edited the Makefile created by configure in my build directory.
21:24:11Dementioanyway, i can verify that making a few minor changes makes rockbox work with the A-Data speedy 32Gb on ipod videos
21:24:13uepI have a usb.o file in my firmware directory also. Are there certain symbols I can use readelf to look for?
21:24:31Dementioat least if you make the changes in the right place
21:25:15uepMaybe I just don't know how the usb is supposed to work. On the feature list, it looked like I should be able to plug it into usb without shutting it down.
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21:25:35bluebrotherrebemo: well, in that case it should simply work. I edited config-ipodmini2g.h in my case though
21:26:06bluebrotherwell, it shouldn't reboot anymore but show a usb connected screen. And of course appear on the PC
21:26:22saratogayou'll get a usb.o even if you don't have the stack enabled
21:27:19uepsaratoga: is there a symbol I can look for in there?
21:27:30uepUsing readelf?
21:27:51saratogayou could probably find one in usb.c
21:27:54uepOr some other way to detect if it really wokred?
21:28:08saratogabut it sounds like you just didn't enable the stack if you're not getting USB
21:28:33funmancheck the size of the .o
21:29:13uepLooking in usb.c, should I define "USB_STORAGE" also?
21:30:01uepusb.o = 5.4k
21:32:18Dementioot, but anyone know a really good tag editor for linux?
21:32:38funmaneasytag / picard
21:32:48funmannot to mention eyeD3
21:33:02Dementiobeen using easytag, but it likes to make it's own changes aparently
21:33:17funmanvlc :)
21:35:19funmanI asked on #gcc but it looks idle: is there a way to force gcc to put _start() or another function in the very first bytes of the generated machine code ?
21:35:46uepfunman: The linker script?
21:36:12funmanthe ugly .lds files ?
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21:36:33funmanI'll learn the syntax
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21:36:46uepIf you know where the device boots from, it's not that bad.
21:36:51basquiathi there, allow to ask me again: I just installed rockbox on my sandisk e280, and encounter some strange noise issue - not that I hear the few wellknown ticks when my sansa is "thinking", it's I just *only* hear distorted heavy and loud ticks and pops, but no music at all. is there a known issue, or maybe something I overlooked?
21:37:11funmanuep: for the sansav2 we use weird techniques
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21:37:32funmanbasquiat: for all codecs?
21:39:06basquiatfunman: just for mp3 atm, as I haven't copied my flacs (my mainreason for using rockbox) yet.
21:39:50funmantry them, maybe it's only a mp3 bug
21:39:51basquiatthe thing is that it used to play half a song, and suddendly went into only playing distorted noise.
21:40:04funmanit's worth mentioning it :)
21:40:37Lloreanbasquiat: Have you tried playing the files on your device from your PC? Perhaps the filesystem is suffering some corruption?
21:40:56basquiatLlorean: nope, good idea, will try.
21:41:33funmanI expected -e _start would do, but no
21:41:53funmanmaybe it defines it as the entry point in the elf header, but once the header removed, the first instruction is not the first instruction of _start
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21:45:20rebemo"Take the .zip file that you downloaded and use the “Extract all” command of your unzip program to extract the files onto your player. " is the part i don't understand, "onto your player", where is the "player" exactly? does it mean the player (nano 1st gen) folder?
21:45:44Nevtusthe root directory of your ipod
21:45:47rebemoand thats it?
21:45:55funmanand that's it
21:45:58uepI found a great linker script tutorial online, I'm looking for it now.
21:46:10rebemowell.. ok :D
21:46:17Nevtusit's the first thing you see when you open your ipod "folder"
21:46:43rebemowhivh in this case is named K:
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21:47:42rebemooh fuck i should really start to think what i write...
21:47:51Nevtusyou should see folders like "Calendars", "Contacts" in it
21:48:12rebemoNevetus: I can see them, i guess im in the right place, finally..
21:48:29uepHow does rockbox convert the elf into a binary?
21:48:31Nevtusthrow the entire .rockbox in there
21:48:40rebemook, thanks :]
21:48:49funmanuep: objcopy -O binary
21:49:51funmanuep: I think a very basic script will be enough for my needs
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21:51:35funmanwell I'm not sure, I need to reorder stuff in the 'text' segment
21:52:19uepYou want to put one object file as the first executable code, right?
21:52:46funman-freorder-functions < looks good
21:52:47uepI'm pretty sure you can do something like *(mystart.o) at the right address.
21:52:56funmanno, I only have one object file
21:53:07funmanbut gcc reorders the functions of the .c file
21:53:08uepOh, I see.
21:54:07funmanhm no ..
21:55:15funmanah it maybe -Os fault ...
21:55:38rebemoNevtus: now do i extract even the font-pack to the root of the player, like i just did?
21:56:15funmanright, it's Os
21:56:20Nevtusyeah, extract it to the same place and it _should_ merge the folders
21:57:14*bluebrother really wonders why rebemo isn't using Rockbox Utility ...
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21:57:25rebemocuz im a poser
21:58:11rebemoI always want to do everything like i knew something about it... even i don't :D
21:58:28uepfunman: Are you sure you don't have to modify the linker script file?
21:58:28*bluebrother throws a manual at rebemo
21:58:40rebemoThanks man :]
21:58:41funmanuep: s/modify the/create one/
21:58:53rebemogoing to read all this stuff−−>
21:58:58uepWhy do you need a new one?
21:59:04funmanI'm not using any
21:59:19uepThis is just for a normal app?
21:59:22*LambdaCalculus37 throws Rockbox Utility at rebemo:
21:59:42funmanuep: not really, this is for sansav2
21:59:54funmanwe have to insert our code in a precise, small, location of the original firmware file
22:00:06funmanwe are not using any of the rockbox code (yet)
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22:00:25uepI'm actually not very familiar with rockbox at all heh, I just installed it today.
22:00:37funmanI never installed it :p
22:00:44uepI was assuming this was something with a pre-existing bootloader.
22:01:03funmanin fact we are trying to get a working bootloader
22:01:35funmanwe can execute some code, but the room is too small, so we are looking to write a driver for the nand chip, and load a bigger firmware from it
22:02:04funmanwe have ~1kB available on this target
22:02:18funmannand access would mean (nearly) unlimited size
22:02:34rebemooh gosh... so WHAT do i have to write to the ipodpatcher...? "i" and then just press enter..?
22:03:00bluebrotherrebemo: please read the instructions. It isn't really helpful to read them to you ...
22:03:19bluebrotherinstallation isn't really complicated, and we even have a nice graphical installer.
22:03:24uepfunman: How much memory does the device have?
22:03:41BigBambirebemo: Just use sodding rbutil
22:03:45funman320kB of ram
22:03:54rebemooh, well... it worked
22:04:06funmanthat will be the next barrier
22:04:09BigBambiIf you refuse to use the recommended install methods then you can't expect much help
22:05:40bluebrotherBigBambi: rbutil is nice, not sobbing ;-)
22:05:57BigBambisodding is quite different to sobbing :)
22:06:27BigBambiBut yes, rbutil is lovely :)
22:07:55rebemoOmfg, i unplugged the ipod after doing all the stuff, i saw the rockbox theme and everything, i shut the pod down, turned it on again and BANG the theme is gone? it's back in classic??
22:08:35*bluebrother notices his type :o
22:08:42Dementiowhat's the way flac's should be tagged? just artist and album?
22:09:20BigBambiDementio: You are free to use other fields if you wish, but that isn't really on-topic
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22:09:57Dementiowell, earlier i was told that the metdata needed to be there for flac's to be read in rockbox
22:10:09BigBambiOnly if you want to use tags
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22:10:29BigBambiuntagged flacs will work justr fine, but you obviously won't see the info
22:10:37Dementiowell, currently, it won't even show up in my dayabase
22:10:47BigBambiRight, because they aren't tagged
22:10:54BigBambiBut Rockbox will still play them fine
22:11:37BigBambiAnyway, Rockbox supports the standard tags for flac (vorbis comments)
22:11:52BigBambiWhich includes but is not limited to artist, album, track, ......
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22:13:46funmanalbum art (unofficial)
22:15:01BigBambiBagder: So the truth is out! I always thought Rockbox must have been an easy hack that you all just pretend is hard work :P
22:16:00Bagderyeah... their choice of title is a bit weird as the body mentions the easiness of the install
22:16:20BigBambiThe amount of publicity has been incredible
22:18:29funmani think it's deserved
22:18:42bluebrotherwell, that's quite a nice article, especially as it's quite accurate
22:19:54dr_kludgei just used the rb util to update my archos recorder 20,
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22:20:07dr_kludgebut i still see the v2.5 splashscreen and v2.5 is
22:20:14dr_kludgedisplayed in info −−> version.
22:20:25dr_kludgeanyone know what gives?
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22:22:23dr_kludge(sorry, trying to upgrade to v3.0)
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22:25:50uepOff topic, but what do the developers here tend to develop in?
22:26:10dr_kludgei've just tried a manual update as well...
22:26:13dr_kludgesame results.
22:27:00saratogauep: textpad, notepad++, VI, emacs, scite, etc
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22:27:11Dementiovi ftw
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22:27:56funmanvi is quite old :)
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22:28:41Deanerdoes anyone know what gen this actually is:
22:28:50DeanerI called apple and they couldn're really tell me
22:29:07Nico_Pclassic is 6th gen
22:29:16Deanerah, bummer :(
22:30:52bluebrotherfunman: vim is still maintained and improved :)
22:31:02funmansure but not vi
22:31:05dr_kludgehmmmm... so, wiped the player clean, installed rockbox-recorder-3.0-zip,
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22:31:10dr_kludgeand i still get ver 2.5.
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22:31:29Bagderdr_kludge: you probably have 2.5 in flash and just put 3.0 on disk
22:31:39*Bagder aways again
22:31:40Nico_Pany opinions on the feasibility of (distributed ipod fw bruteforcing effort)
22:31:54imthedani know you guys get tired of hearing these type of questions, but can someone give me a little information about "rockbox" −− I just bought an mp3 player and it said it was "Rockbox ready".. just curious what it is.
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22:32:14saratogaNico_P: what exactly were they planning to brute force?
22:32:16Nico_Pimthedan: you can read
22:32:31Nico_Psaratoga: I don't think they even know
22:33:01dr_kludgebadger: i haven't seen anything about this difference... how do i complete the install?
22:33:11imthedanthanks nico_p
22:36:30Nico_Pdr_kludge: you need to boot from disk and maybe reflash
22:36:37BigBambiNico_P: The link is amusing
22:37:02dr_kludgeyou mean reboot the archos? i've done that repeatedly, unless i'm missing something that i can't find documented.
22:37:03BigBambiThey have spent four pages talking about the name, how to reward people, and asking their school netadmins to help
22:37:30Nico_PBigBambi: the idea might actually be of value but they clearly lack clues IMHO
22:38:18BigBambipotentially, but they won't achieve anything
22:38:32saratogai don't think brute forcing encryption is going to work out all that well unless apple is really dumb
22:38:38Nico_Pdr_kludge: I don't know the specifics, but there probably is a key to press to boot from the disk instead of from the flash mem
22:38:47saratogaand if they are that dumb, theres probably an easier way
22:39:07Nico_Psaratoga: why?
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22:39:40*Nico_P is probabmy almost as clueless as the guys planning this
22:39:45saratogabecause the search space for even crappy encryption tends to be unimaginably enormous
22:39:52LloreanNico_P: the whole point of modern encryption is to take a truly ridiculous number of computer-hours to brute force.
22:41:48bluebrotherdr_kludge: you might need to rolo the new firmware by clicking on it
22:42:02dr_kludgeyeah, just did that, and it loads it.
22:42:03saratogaits pretty easy to have a search space with more keys then protons in the universe
22:42:12dr_kludgebut if reboot, i get 2.5 again.
22:42:46funmanNico_P: do you know about ?
22:43:31Nico_Pfunman: no, I didn't know about it
22:44:18funmanit took a lot of time and a lot of computers to crack a weak encryption
22:45:04funman1757 days for 64 bits RC5
22:45:24Dementioi remember that
22:45:32bluebrotherdr_kludge: well, then you have 2.5 in flash, as Bagder said
22:45:41saratogaif you wanted to crack the encryption, it'd probably be easiest to use a logic analysier or similar to dump some of the decrypted code out of DRAM, and then work backwards to the key
22:45:42Nico_Pdo we have any idea of what kind of encryption Apple uses?
22:45:58dr_kludgesure, i understand that. how do i kick 2.5 out and invite 3.0 in?
22:46:00bluebrotherwhich means you need to rolo 3.0 and then flash it. I think there's a wiki page how to do that.
22:46:02saratogapeople say RC4 I think, but I don't know where that comes from
22:46:13dr_kludgemmmk. i'll look again.
22:46:20linuxstbNico_P: I don't think anyone knows for sure, which is another reason brute-forcing is a non-starter...
22:46:31bluebrotherno archos experience on my side
22:47:37*dr_kludge grimaces at irony: i have the rockbox o.g. d.a.p., and that leaves me behind the support curv :b
22:47:52imthedanis there a good place to find games for a sansa e270?
22:48:07bluebrotherimthedan: all games are shipped.
22:48:21linuxstbsaratoga: I think that's just misinformation from the site that's been spread widely. That site states that, but gives no justification for it. It's what Apple used for the "aupd" image encryption on earlier ipods though.
22:48:34LloreanFor reference, they've been working on the RC5 key for over 2000 days and have accomplished 0.5% of the total work.
22:48:37funmanlinuxstb: +1
22:48:40LloreanRC5 72-bit key, rather
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22:49:07funmanwell they can expect 256*1757 days if they have the same luck :)
22:49:13LloreanAnd that's probably with an awful lot more people one can hope having work on firmware decrypting.
22:49:18imthedanbluebrother: shipped? I mean, games that go on the mp3 player after installing rockbox
22:49:43funmanmight be faster to learn crypto analysis for a lower keyspace
22:49:59bluebrotherimthedan: there are none
22:50:04Lloreanimthedan: Rockbox comes with all the games we provide, and there aren't really third-party plugins.
22:50:15Lloreanfunman: "might" be? :-P
22:50:23bluebrotherwhy do you need extra games from us anyway? If we have some, why shouldn't we ship them in the first place?
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22:50:40imthedanoh so when I install rockbox, it'll come with games?
22:50:45bluebrothereven if there were 3rd party games we wouldn't support them.
22:50:52imthedansorry man... i just found out about rockbox 10 mins ago
22:50:52*bluebrother gets annoyed
22:50:58imthedanjust reading through the FAQ.
22:51:05imthedanok ok.. calm down fireball.
22:51:10imthedani was just asking
22:51:11Nico_Pwhat about the iphone/ipod touch firmwares?
22:51:17bluebrotherimthedan: and why can't you read the documentation first?
22:51:23imthedandidnt even know i could play game with my mp3 player
22:51:24bluebrotherit's really annoying to answer such questions again and again just because people don't read first.
22:51:52*bluebrother thinks there is too much noise in this channel these days :(
22:52:25Nico_Pbluebrother: it's a side effect of the release, we should get used to it
22:52:26Lloreanimthedan: You might want to read the manual before coming in with questions. I'm pretty sure the channel guidelines specifically mention doing this.
22:52:34BigBambibluebrother: Some more is to be expected just after all the release publicity
22:53:06imthedan"I've modified it and tested for the Sansa e200 using the uisimulator software." −− Does that support for all e200 series including my e270?
22:53:16imthedanbecause i don't see a category for the e270
22:53:50linuxstbYes "e200" is how we describe all the e2x0 players
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22:54:45rebemoSettings → General Settings → Display // i got no "Browse fonts","Background Colour or Foreground Colour" in that location, why is that?
22:55:00funmanrebemo: waw, how do you type that right arrow ?
22:55:09blade_i guetting "ROCKBOXDEV: patch is required for this script to work." with
22:55:22blade_using ubuntu 8.04
22:55:26Lloreanblade_: Do you have patch installed?
22:55:33saratogawe should split the dev and support stuff into seperate channels!
22:55:47funmanblade_: sudo apt-get install build-essential
22:55:48Lloreanrebemo: Browse Fonts is under theme settings, I thought.
22:55:50rebemofunman i pasted it from the manual
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22:56:10*linuxstb far prefers a little non-dev noise in this channel than dev-talk in -community
22:56:13blade_Llorean: wich patch ? and how do i install them
22:56:24gevaertssaratoga: no devs will be in the support channel then. Support will suffer a lot, and we will miss bug reports coming out of support issues
22:56:25linuxstbblade_: "patch" is the name of a command.
22:56:35rebemoLlorean: Thanks! the manual told it differently
22:56:41saratogagevaerts: I doubt that
22:56:45Lloreanrebemo: Which manual?
22:56:51blade_linuxstb: i justhave to type patch ?
22:57:01funmanblade_: use the command i gave you
22:57:01Lloreanblade_: Except you don't seem to have it installed.
22:57:04saratogatheres people skimming the forums at all hours of the night answering stuff, so I think there would be people in both channels
22:57:05rebemoLlorean: this one
22:57:07linuxstbsaratoga: And topics often switch between dev and support, so will need constant policing...
22:57:33dr_kludgefor anyone still interested: plugins −−> applications −−> firmware_flash
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22:57:42saratogai mean theres never any dev talk in the install forums, but questions there are typically answered in well under an hour
22:57:46linuxstbblade_: "apt-get install patch"
22:57:50*Nico_P wonders whether could have any relevance to our issues
22:57:54dr_kludgebut: missing "firmware_rec.bin"
22:57:56Lloreanrebemo: earlier in the manual has the right information.
22:58:02imthedanThanks for the help guys
22:58:06Lloreanrebemo: That section apparently didn't get updated properly. Please file a bug report
22:58:23imthedanDidn't mean to disturb you in your chat channel.
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22:58:31imthedanPlus, I am in the middle of reading through everything. Didn't think you guys would get all upset over a few questions .=x
22:58:39linuxstbsaratoga: It's been discussed before, but lots of people think it's a bad idea (me included). Conversations never stay on-topic, and you end up needing to read both sets of logs anyway. We have the same problem with -community
22:58:44blade_linuxstb: i guess "path" is included in the build-essential package
22:58:44rebemoLlorean: ty for the info!
22:58:55saratogaNico_P: probably not, since the iphone stuff seems to have been forked off of MacOS, while the ipod stuff is from whatever that embedded OS apple bought a few years back was
22:59:01Lloreanrebemo: Also, please use real words, as per the channel guidelines, not things like "ty"
22:59:06gevaertssaratoga: maybe you're right, but I think it's a lot easier to quickly look at the forums every few hours than to read irc backlog
22:59:44blade_thanks guys on it
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22:59:59BigBambiEspecially as we can delete off topic stuff from the forums, but not IRC
23:00:18rebemoLlorean: okay
23:00:28Nico_Psaratoga: do the recent ipods still use the same kind of firmware as the old ones? for some reason I thought they had started using something closer to the iphone
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23:01:05funmanNico_P: the difference is that you can write applications for the iphone so it need to be an OS
23:01:17LloreanNico_P: They're graphically quite different, I don't know if it's been investigated deeply at all.
23:01:30Lloreanfunman: You can write apps for the iPod too, see all the games Apple released on iTunes.
23:01:33saratogaNico_P: partition structure seems to be the similar in the new ipods to the old, and theres no trace of MacOS so I think they're still based on the old code
23:01:33Nico_PI've never used a recent ipod...
23:01:53saratogai think theres even a hack that enables some of the 6G GUI stuff on the Video
23:01:58funmanLlorean: I don't use apple stuff I didn't know that there was apps for ipod
23:02:16Lloreanfunman: Might be slightly wiser not to try to comment on the differences then. ;)
23:02:18saratogapresumably because they're still the same code, but compiled for different targets, probably similar to Rockbox
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23:03:11Bawitdabawhat is the default theme for rockbox or whatever one comes with a peakmeter
23:03:31saratogathe default is cabbie, it does not have a peak meter though
23:04:00Bawitdabaive never seen peak meter on this and i wanted to check it out
23:04:01bluebrotherwell, if all support questions come here we need to think about a solution for the after-release-days
23:04:07saratogaalso, i've been meaning to ask if the front page's "Current Status" link could be changed to "click here for information about other potiential targets"
23:04:12saratogaso that people realize theres more info
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23:04:26Lloreansaratoga: Maybe just "Development Status"?
23:04:29saratogamost people in the forums seem to have no idea that theres a second page with more info
23:04:48saratogaLlorean: maybe "Future targets and development status"
23:04:50Bawitdabapeople are active here
23:05:00Bawitdabai suppose i could post on the forums and wait a day :P
23:05:10funman"work in progress" ?
23:06:45LloreanBawitdaba: saratoga gave you info, you didn't ask further questions.
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23:07:28saratogaalso, I wouldn't mind if the "Current status of supported targets" table behind that link were updated with a bit more specific info like USB status, battery charging, dual booting, audio playback, etc
23:07:52saratogato this day i still don't know which rockbox targets can charge correctly in rockbox, which charge but slowly, and which don't charge at all
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23:08:08Bawitdabai was referring to bluebrother Llorean
23:08:12saratogathis will become more confusing if some PP targets get USB enabled while the Sansas do not
23:09:17gevaertssaratoga: That would be nice, but we need to be careful with adding yet another page with duplicated info that can get out of date
23:10:28saratogagevaerts: the wiki status pages are seldem up to date anyway, they should be removed and replaced with one or a few tables on a front wiki page summarizing the status of all ports
23:10:41saratogathen the wiki pages for each port could contain developer info, details, etc
23:10:58*gevaerts wants a wiki with automatic fully A.I. controlled summarizing functionality that also watches the forums, irc and svn to keep up to date
23:11:03saratogaa central page thats one link from the front page is 100x more likely to be kept up to date then 20 individual pages
23:11:40funmangevaerts: you might want to write a bot which automatically ports rockbox to new targets
23:11:43dr_kludgeanyone know where to find/how to build 'firmware_rec.bin'?
23:12:06gevaertsfunman: too hard for me :)
23:12:23funmanI can help: I'll find a name for the program while you write it
23:12:57gevaertssaratoga: so basically remove the status tables from the port pages and put them all together on one big general status page?
23:13:06saratogathe amount of information that actually changes in the wiki is vanishingly small, the problem is that it is spread about hundreds and hundreds of pages making it nearly impossible to find and update
23:13:14saratogagevaerts: yes
23:13:24funmanin a table
23:13:47saratogabasically, expand this table:
23:14:03gevaertsThat could work, but I'm not entirely convinced. I know I look at the port pages where I'm involved regularly, so I see the status table and I can fix it. I have no reason to look at a general status page
23:14:23funmanwhen the status will be removed from the port pages you will have one
23:15:10gevaertsThe problem is that as a porter I don't actually care about the status table because I know the status.
23:15:22saratogaunless you remember the address or name of the status pages, you have to go through that table anyway
23:15:49saratogaand anyway, my first suggestion was making it clear that the front page link to that page was worth looking at
23:16:20gevaertsThat suggestion is indeed an excellent one
23:16:22saratoganow thats a nice table
23:16:45gevaertsAnd maybe the status table would work. I'm just not sure
23:17:32*gevaerts also wants DeviceChart to have much more info, but he hasn't wanted that enough to actually do the work yet
23:17:32Bawitdabak so i have another stupid question how do i exit a application/demo in rockbox?
23:17:59LloreanBawitdaba: Depends on your player and/or the app, see the manual for details.
23:18:30Bawitdabaipod 5.5g 80gb
23:18:42Bawitdabai dont think there is a manual for it listed on the wiki
23:18:51Bawitdabajust ipod video if it falls into that
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23:19:09gevaertsIt does
23:20:00saratogacan the H1/300 dual boot?
23:20:17bluebrothersaratoga: yes (assuming you're referring to h100 ;-)
23:20:20Lloreansaratoga: Yes.
23:21:00bluebrotherI think only the x5 / m5 can't dual-boot out of the 3.0 players
23:21:29LloreanGigabeat F cannot either
23:21:46bluebrotheroh. I thought that was only the beast.
23:22:11saratogathe beast can dual boot
23:22:25*bluebrother starts to get confused
23:23:05saratogacan the archos?
23:23:13DerPapstiirc no
23:23:29bluebrotherafaik you can rolo the OF on archos
23:23:38bluebrotheras there's no RB bootloader involved.
23:23:40*DerPapst shuts up
23:23:48BigBambibluebrother: The beast will dual boot if you patch the OF with a RB bootloader, then send that as the bootloader. This is difficult as we cannot distribute the OF and it is not available from Toshiba, so legitimatly you need to stick the beast drive in a caddy to copy it off
23:24:18*gevaerts thinks that saratoga is right in wanting a table with all this :)
23:24:55saratogado the H10s charge?
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23:25:42dataangelWhat does a data abort error mean?
23:25:55saratogarockbox crashed
23:25:56dataangel"Data abort at 0004D52C (0)"
23:26:06dataangelmy plugin causes it
23:26:17dataangeldoes it mean I did something inparticular, like access out of bounds memory, or ... ?
23:26:33saratogaalso, does the wiki support [1] citations like Wikipedia does?
23:26:55Lloreanbasquiat: I'm looking, but I don't seen a question about how to install in the post you've just posted to the Installation forum.
23:26:58bluebrotherI don't think so
23:26:59DerPapstdataangel: that or your pointer foo is messed up...
23:27:03Lloreanbasquiat: Did you read "POSTING IN THIS FORUM" first?
23:27:04gevaertsdataangel: on arm that usually means an unaligned access
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23:27:37dataangelit looks like it's giving some other errors really quick and then it dies
23:27:37saratogagevaerts: heres my first shot:
23:27:41dataangeldoes it log somewhere?
23:28:23linuxstbdataangel: The address is useful - 4D52C. Check the ".map" file created for your plugin (in [build-dir]/apps/plugins/)
23:28:36gevaertsdataangel: what target are you using?
23:28:50gevaertssaratoga: nice
23:29:11Nico_Psaratoga: add a few colors and it'll be fine :)
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23:29:43saratogaok i'll add colors
23:30:33DerPapstsaratoga: you can do something like <sup>[<a href="#Citation_1">1</a>]</sup> or the like. (dunno how twiki deals with links.)
23:30:34Nico_Pmaybe like in
23:31:09gevaertsAh yes, yet anothe incomplete table :(
23:31:42Nico_PI think it'd be unrealistic to try keeping that one up to date though
23:32:02bluebrotherNico_P: maybe also use icons like in BuyersGuide?
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23:32:39gevaertsNico_P: indeed. That's why I'm afraid of tables in general
23:32:51Nico_Pbluebrother: I think the table in FeatureComparison is nicer than the one in BuyersGuide
23:33:36bluebrotherNico_P: I agree, but adding the yes / no icons might be nice
23:33:43basquiatLlorean: sorry, you got me, I shot to fast. my apologies.
23:34:05Nico_Pgevaerts: a few are ok, if they don't have too much information. IMO FeatureComparison is unmaintanable du to the amount of info and the number of ports
23:34:25saratogaok added colors
23:34:39gevaertsNico_P: static information (like DeviceChart) is fine too. At least that one never becomes incorrect
23:34:48imthedanI take back what I said earlier. There are a LOT of games that come with the download. I guess it was a good idea to read the manual. =X
23:35:13saratogaany other fields that should be on that table?
23:35:58bluebrother... and create some distracting noise here :|
23:36:14dataangellinuxstb: I don't see any .map files
23:36:31Nico_Psaratoga: it seems you removed the note about the issues on the iPod 1G/2G
23:36:38saratogamaybe mention if the CPU is fast enough for 24 fps at fullscreen in mpegplayer?
23:36:43dataangellinuxstb: Do I have to make with certain options?
23:36:49*gevaerts isn't entirely happy about USB: No statuses. Not sure how to solve that though
23:36:53saratogaNico_P: no i put it at the bottom since i don't know how to do a cite
23:36:56dr_kludgehrmph... documentation does not include full procedure for older archos players.
23:37:09linuxstbdataangel: Where are you looking?
23:37:16Nico_Psaratoga: you can look at how it's done in
23:37:38dataangellinuxstb: Rockbox/apps/plugins, also tried Rockbox/build/rocks/apps
23:37:41dr_kludgeupdate software −−> 'play' ajbrec.ajz −−> set file display to 'all' −−> play '.rockbox/rockbox.ucl'
23:37:53dataangeloh nm got it
23:38:21dr_kludgehow to get this into the documentation to save the next persyn that minor headache?
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23:38:33gevaertsdataangel: if you're on a portalplayer target, and if you use linux, have a look at
23:38:47dataangelsansa e200
23:39:01funmanit's portalplayer
23:40:33saratogaNico_P: done
23:40:43Nico_Pgevaerts: sorry to be repeatng myself, but could you remind me why you don't feel we're ready to enable rockbox usb on at least some targets?
23:41:48gevaertsNico_P: we can enable it _if_ we have a way to allow the user to disable it, as it doesn't work at all with some player/PC combinations
23:42:02saratogacould the next person who hears from bagder ask him to change the "Current Status" link on the front page to "Current Status and Additional Targets" or something more inticing
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23:42:27saratogai thought the ipods always worked, albiet slowly
23:42:43dataangelI tried looking for "4d52c" in my plugin's .map file but it's not found
23:42:54linuxstbgevaerts: I don't think you need to disable it, the user can just manually start the OF.
23:43:14gevaertslinuxstb: good point
23:43:18linuxstbdataangel: On the e200, that address will be in core Rockbox somewhere, so look in apps/
23:43:59gevaertsdataangel: chances are that you won't find exact address as it may be in an array. Also, the .map files don't do static variables
23:44:01linuxstbdataangel: But it seems that it could be a symptom of something else going (badly) wrong. e.g. do you declare lots of variables on the stack? The stack is only about 8KB.
23:44:35dataangelit says "UIE"
23:44:47dataangelat that exact address in
23:44:49dataangelwhat's UIE?
23:45:04saratogagevaerts: lets enable it then, maybe having it would encourage other people to look at it more
23:45:07dataangelwould the simulator emulate the stack size? because it works fine there
23:45:15linuxstbdataangel: No
23:45:21saratogaalso, should I put something about mpegplayer in the device status table?
23:45:35linuxstbdataangel: But you should know how big the variables are that you declare locally...
23:45:36Nico_Psaratoga: I don't think so
23:45:45gevaertssaratoga: Once you add enough hubs no portalplayer target works. How many hubs are possible is very dependent on local setup and exact hardware, and for some setups it may not work at all
23:46:00Nico_Pgevaerts: I'm in favor of activating USB on targets where it works without corruptiosn
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23:46:14saratogawas thinking "fplays full screen video at 24 fps"
23:46:35dataangel8KB stack.. so my char buffer[100] is probably a problem ;p
23:46:43dataangelas a local variable
23:46:46Lloreangevaerts: do we have any reports of it not working when plugged directly into a rear USB port?
23:46:51dataangelbut if I made it global things would be fine?
23:46:55linuxstbNo, that's fine. It's only 100 bytes...
23:47:04Lloreansaratoga: We need some worst-case videos to test with before we know that, I think.
23:47:12saratogafor what its worth, I have never once seen my sansa do anything but crash on plugging in the USB, so from my point of view once the sansa SD driver bug is fixed, I lose nothing by getting an unreligable USB option
23:47:14LloreanOtherwise we'll just get bug reports.
23:47:26dataangeloh right
23:47:55saratogadataangel: have you tried debugging in the sim?
23:48:32linuxstbdataangel: You could upload your code somewhere - maybe it's obvious to other eyes...
23:50:00saratogaanyone think the H10 can charge the battery?
23:50:06gevaertsLlorean: I don't know. I do have a (private) report saying that some sansas don't work on some PCs (any port) in the OF though, and switching PC or sansa solves that (so neither of them is the only cause). Not sure if that's actually relevant though
23:50:33dataangelsaratoga: sim runs perfectly
23:50:59imthedanAre there any guides for creating a WPS theme?
23:51:37Lloreangevaerts: I think a note in the manual saying "If USB doesn't work, plug directly into the back of your PC. If it still doesn't work see (flyspray task) to help give us feedback on the conditions, and for the time being you'll have to make use of the dual boot feature."
23:51:42uepDoes anybody use rockbox on the iriver h10 20gb right now?
23:52:02uepEr... more specifically, use the usb on the iriver h10 20gb.
23:52:10LloreanI'm actually not sure being able to turn it off is strictly necessary since it'll probably just add some more bugs and dual boot is pretty easy to do.
23:52:13*Nico_P agrees with Llorean. it should help get more testing (if that can help)
23:52:16gevaertsLlorean: that should work.
23:52:24gevaertsuep: you mean the rockbox usb stack?
23:52:43uepYeah. I rebuilt the code with the flags, but it didn't work.
23:52:56gevaertsdidn't work in what way?
23:53:12uepI get nothing showing up on my OS when I plug the device in.
23:53:23linuxstbWhat is displayed on your H10's screen?
23:54:23dataangellinuxstb: It's a lot to look through, but it does crash on startup, so problem is probably early on. Here's the code:
23:54:35*gevaerts thinks
23:54:51uepI'm not sure I understand your question, but the rockbox screen doesn't seem to change at all.
23:55:17uepSo it's just the main menu.
23:55:23BigBambiand how did you enable usb?
23:55:25gevaertsuep: try holding the "right" button
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23:55:53linuxstbdataangel: Does any text get displayed before it crashes?
23:56:06gevaertsuep: while pluging in, that is. H10 is different from all other targets in that you have to hold a button to get a USB connection
23:56:25uepIs that the same for after rockbox is on?
23:56:43gevaertsThat's while running rockbox, yes
23:56:43uepI was under the impression that I could just plug it in while the device was running.
23:56:59dataangellinuxstb: It displays up through "Database inited" and then dies
23:57:04dataangelI'm adding more debugging text...
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23:57:17*gevaerts never liked that difference. Once USB is enabled by default, it has to go
23:58:15*Nico_P wonders what difference it is
23:58:40uepIt restarts and seems to use the h10's own usb driver. Is that the expected behavior?
23:58:47gevaertsuep: H10 is different. If you don't hold that button it doesn't connect. The reason for that is that you need to hold this button while rebooting for the OF to go to disk mode

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