| 00:01:21 | skinneet | I am looking at something similar to that but it appears taht you have to patch the source for it to work |
| 00:01:26 | gevaerts | smcquay: maybe. The lineout should work, and controls may work of you use FS #8624 (http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8624). There is a build with that patch at http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17841.0 |
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| 00:02:21 | smcquay | gevaerts: do you know if the decoding happens at a carstero level, or on an ipod level? |
| 00:03:02 | smcquay | and, is there a place in the manual that goes over patches? |
| 00:03:34 | gevaerts | smcquay: I know nearly nothing about car stereos. It could be accessing the ipod over usb, or over the accessory protocol... |
| 00:03:46 | BigBambi | nothing in the manual no, it is for the official build |
| 00:03:58 | gevaerts | And about patches, have a look at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling |
| 00:04:03 | BigBambi | Information about patches is in the tracker task |
| 00:04:13 | smcquay | oh, so that was included in the official build? |
| 00:04:17 | BigBambi | Ah, unless you mean how to patch and compile :) |
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| 00:04:45 | BigBambi | No, it is a patch - (http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8624) |
| 00:04:47 | dataangel | Is there a way to put color format information in strings for rb->lcd_putsxy? That would be sweet. |
| 00:04:57 | smcquay | awesome, i'll look into that tonight, thanks again |
| 00:05:14 | BigBambi | But someone (soap) has built an unnoffical build with it already included at http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17841.0 |
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| 00:07:03 | Bagder | man |
| 00:07:08 | Bagder | 93600 visits yday |
| 00:07:25 | gevaerts | Not bad |
| 00:07:37 | Bagder | 36GB |
| 00:07:56 | gevaerts | Have a look at the logs. Some nuts are using mosaic :) |
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| 00:08:45 | Bagder | mozilla has 63.9%... |
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| 00:10:36 | Bagder | slashdot front page gave us >12000 referers |
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| 00:13:24 | evil_core | hi all |
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| 00:13:46 | evil_core | anything has changed with iriver U10 ? |
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| 00:14:00 | john23 | hi |
| 00:14:12 | john23 | I might have bricked my ipod |
| 00:14:24 | krazykit | you didn't brick it. it can be recovered. |
| 00:14:40 | john23 | says "[ERR] Firmware partition doesn't contain Apple copyright, aborting." |
| 00:15:01 | Llorean | evil_core: Please don't come here just asking for status reports. Anything we knew that was new should be in the wiki or the U10 forum thread (if there is one). |
| 00:15:04 | krazykit | what ipod and what did you do to it? |
| 00:15:06 | john23 | running linux and I can't find an ipodpatcher with a force option for linux |
| 00:15:18 | john23 | 30 gig video, 5g i think |
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| 00:15:37 | john23 | formatted it.. stupidly not knowing what I was doing |
| 00:15:55 | gevaerts | john23: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodManualRestore may help |
| 00:16:26 | john23 | trying that now |
| 00:16:28 | evil_core | Llorean: ok, sorry. I remmeber You, I was there over year ago with identical question :D |
| 00:18:09 | Llorean | evil_core: I bet I said the same thing last time? |
| 00:18:45 | * | gevaerts replaces Llorean with a bot |
| 00:18:49 | Llorean | evil_core: If you'd spent the last year learning to program in your spare time, there'd probably be progress by now... |
| 00:19:17 | john23 | what is my Firmware-X.Y.Z (where X, Y and Z are numbers)? |
| 00:20:03 | john23 | none of the options here: http://www.felixbruns.de/iPod/firmware/ show "30/video" or anything |
| 00:20:26 | john23 | (and mine's 30 gig, 5Gen, Video |
| 00:20:44 | gevaerts | Just choose one of the 5Gs. I'd pick 13 |
| 00:21:01 | john23 | k |
| 00:21:03 | * | gevaerts doesn't know why, but he thinks he used that one for his 30GB ipod once |
| 00:24:09 | amiconn | Bagder: Making rockboxdev.sh more space conserving would be really helpful ... |
| 00:26:52 | john23 | ok, so I got to the seventh step.. now, am I reading the notes right that I should now unplug my ipod and reboot it? |
| 00:27:20 | gevaerts | john23: yes |
| 00:27:23 | john23 | k |
| 00:28:14 | john23 | um, by holding down the menu button, right? |
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| 00:28:55 | john23 | I did, it clicked, and then the same screen popped right back up and still says: "Connect to your computer, use Itunes to restore" |
| 00:29:00 | * | john23 doesn't have itunes |
| 00:29:23 | john23 | Or did I not reboot it? how do you turn it off? |
| 00:29:34 | Llorean | Hold Menu+Select |
| 00:30:47 | john23 | it won't stay off.. keeps coming back to the same screen |
| 00:31:03 | gevaerts | Then you did something wrong somewhere |
| 00:31:22 | john23 | maybe I'm not turning it off correctly? |
| 00:33:21 | john23 | major suckage |
| 00:33:36 | john23 | k, I'm gonna try rockbox install again |
| 00:33:37 | gevaerts | Are you sure it's a 5G and not a 5.5G? |
| 00:33:43 | john23 | is the copyright on there now? |
| 00:33:52 | john23 | mmm, how do I find out? |
| 00:34:08 | gevaerts | run dmesg and see if it reports 512 or 2048 byte sectors |
| 00:34:54 | john23 | I think mine's 2048 |
| 00:35:03 | gevaerts | That's a 5.5G then. |
| 00:35:08 | john23 | cause fdisk complains about it not being 512 |
| 00:35:26 | bertrik | gevaerts, can you make sense of this dmesg of a sansa clip: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14064.msg133283#msg133283 ? |
| 00:35:27 | gevaerts | Look at the dmesg output to make sure |
| 00:35:54 | DerPapst | "To distinguish the Fifth Generation iPod (Late 2006, 5.5G) from the original Fifth Generation (5G) iPod is by comparing the last three digits of the serial number. The Fifth Generation iPod (Late 2006, 5.5G) serial number's last three digits will be one of the following: V9K, V9P, V9M, V9R, V9L, V9N, V9Q, V9S, WU9, WUA, WUB, WUC, and X3N. The Fifth Generation U2 Special Edition iPod (30 GB Late 2006) serial number's last three digits are W9G." |
| 00:36:00 | bertrik | on sansa E200v2 this can be used to unbrick, on clip it apparently reports a 0-byte disk |
| 00:36:19 | bertrik | the funny thing is that the number of sectors seems sensible, but the INQUIRY data does not |
| 00:36:51 | john23 | oh, and I dd'd the zip file instead of the firmware anyway |
| 00:36:53 | john23 | woops :) |
| 00:37:00 | DerPapst | hehe |
| 00:37:08 | gevaerts | john23: that would have been my next suggestion :) |
| 00:37:36 | bertrik | maybe we can write a user-space USB mass storage emulation that isn't bothered by a missing INQUIRY response |
| 00:38:06 | * | bertrik considers getting a sansa clip to hack on |
| 00:38:41 | evil_core | Llorean: but last time somebody told me that without specs it isnt duable. And one person cannot make something usable, especially that current interface is good, supports vorbis, i am missing only Doom(which I wanted mostly) and "freedom" probably |
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| 00:39:30 | Llorean | evil_core: If it wasn't doable, what's the point in asking about it? |
| 00:40:01 | john23 | twerx |
| 00:40:01 | gevaerts | bertrik: Maybe sg_dd works? (from sg3-utils) |
| 00:40:09 | john23 | it's doing its thing now |
| 00:40:10 | john23 | wow |
| 00:40:12 | gevaerts | john23: please use real words... |
| 00:40:23 | john23 | whatevs dawg |
| 00:40:36 | john23 | ;) |
| 00:40:38 | Llorean | john23: It's in the channel guidelines. |
| 00:40:43 | Llorean | We aren't kidding when we ask you to use them. |
| 00:41:17 | john23 | I accept |
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| 00:41:44 | john23 | wow |
| 00:42:00 | n17ikh|Lappy | so has the sansa bootloader code still in development, or is it stable? And if not, how do I know when a new bootloader comes out? |
| 00:42:33 | n17ikh|Lappy | other than say, downloading sansapatcher and running it |
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| 00:42:41 | Llorean | n17ikh|Lappy: When the bootloader files on the server have a new date. |
| 00:42:58 | n17ikh|Lappy | fair enough |
| 00:43:03 | Llorean | All parts of Rockbox are always in development. |
| 00:43:21 | Llorean | You can either wait for announced releases, or you can just try to keep yourself informed by checking the obvious, but more tedious, means. |
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| 00:43:39 | john23 | be right back, thanks guys |
| 00:43:42 | gevaerts | n17ikh|Lappy: I'm pretty sure that new bootloaders would be announced on the MajorChanges page |
| 00:43:43 | john23 | (and gals) |
| 00:44:20 | n17ikh|Lappy | Makes sense. |
| 00:44:49 | bertrik | gevaerts, ok, I'll look into that and recommend it to funman once he logs onto irc. I can imagine that sg_dd still goes through the kernel and gets confused by the (apparently corrupted) inquiry data |
| 00:45:23 | gevaerts | bertrik: it goes through the generic scsi layer, not through the block device layer |
| 00:45:58 | gevaerts | So while it may get confused, I'm pretty sure it gets confused itself and not in the kernel, so that's fixable |
| 00:47:39 | bertrik | ok, should be an interesting experiment :) |
| 00:47:48 | * | gevaerts bets that john23 will encounter the same bootloader bug as smcquay |
| 00:48:28 | gevaerts | bertrik: if you install that package, you'll get a lot of potentially useful tools |
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| 00:52:10 | john23 | getting themes |
| 00:52:14 | john23 | unkown error |
| 00:52:34 | gevaerts | rbutil 1.0.6? |
| 00:52:56 | john23 | yea, 1.0.6x65 |
| 00:53:11 | john23 | 1.0.6x68 |
| 00:53:15 | gevaerts | If so, ignore that error. There's a problem with the theme server (it isn't there...). rbutil 1.0.7 gives a more friendly message |
| 00:53:27 | john23 | i mean 64 |
| 00:53:28 | gevaerts | You don't need the themes |
| 00:53:33 | john23 | fricken 64 bits |
| 00:53:53 | john23 | ok, well the process ended at the theme error.. was more supposed to happen after that? |
| 00:53:57 | gevaerts | No |
| 00:54:04 | john23 | ok, so now what? |
| 00:54:18 | gevaerts | Unmount, unplug and reset |
| 00:54:24 | john23 | roger |
| 00:55:37 | john23 | boot loader |
| 00:55:45 | john23 | error |
| 00:55:53 | john23 | cant load rockbox.ipod: |
| 00:55:53 | * | gevaerts wins his bet. |
| 00:55:56 | john23 | file not found |
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| 00:56:06 | john23 | hold menu+select to reboot |
| 00:56:12 | john23 | then select play for disk mode |
| 00:57:11 | gevaerts | Download ipodpatcher, download the ipod video bootloader from http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9369, and run ipodpatcher -a bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod |
| 00:57:11 | john23 | hmm |
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| 00:57:47 | john23 | absolutely... gotta tend to the coals outside right quick |
| 00:57:59 | john23 | anyone know when the debates start tonight? (eastern) |
| 00:58:41 | * | gevaerts doesn't know about any debates that are on topic here |
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| 01:00:54 | lasser | coverage in germany starts at 3.00 am UTC+2, do the math ;-) -> rockbox-community... |
| 01:01:20 | john23 | written to device |
| 01:01:58 | john23 | lasser: thanks |
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| 01:02:34 | laburd | Can someone help me deal with massive corruption on my sandisk c200 ? |
| 01:02:45 | laburd | how easy is it to rebuild the hidden partition |
| 01:02:49 | smcquay | do you have a hammer? |
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| 01:02:54 | laburd | smcquay: heh |
| 01:02:59 | john23 | error |
| 01:03:08 | laburd | john23: excuse me ? |
| 01:03:27 | john23 | was talking to gevaerts, laburd |
| 01:03:35 | john23 | be right back |
| 01:03:36 | gevaerts | john23: what sort of error? |
| 01:04:01 | laburd | What's a good paste site ? |
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| 01:04:09 | laburd | I want to paste my partition table |
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| 01:04:14 | Llorean | pastebin.ca |
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| 01:05:11 | laburd | http://pastebin.ca/1211887 |
| 01:05:19 | laburd | check out that partition table... I think I need to rebuild it, no ? |
| 01:06:09 | gevaerts | laburd: why? |
| 01:06:15 | laburd | I dunno.. |
| 01:06:21 | laburd | I'll try install the new rockbox.. |
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| 01:06:29 | laburd | I'm gonna format the data partition though. |
| 01:06:37 | laburd | it's fux0red.. can't even delete files on it anymore |
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| 01:24:55 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
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| 01:29:09 | laburd | is version r18651 the new 3.0 goodness? |
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| 01:32:07 | Nico_P | laburd: what do you mean? |
| 01:32:25 | Nico_P | r18651 isn't part of 3.0 |
| 01:33:44 | john23 | gevaerts: So whats the fix for that error? |
| 01:33:52 | gevaerts | john23: what error? |
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| 01:34:12 | john23 | ***gevaerts wins his bet. |
| 01:34:33 | gevaerts | 00:57 < gevaerts> Download ipodpatcher, download the ipod video bootloader from http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9369, and run ipodpatcher -a bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod |
| 01:34:41 | john23 | uhh.. I mean after that.. |
| 01:34:43 | john23 | same error |
| 01:35:57 | john23 | http://pastebin.ca/1211898 |
| 01:36:08 | john23 | thats the output of ipodpatcher |
| 01:36:41 | john23 | then I rebooted... still says Loading rockbox... |
| 01:36:44 | john23 | error! |
| 01:36:53 | john23 | cant load rockbox.ipod |
| 01:36:58 | john23 | File not found |
| 01:37:23 | gevaerts | That is the bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod from http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9369, right? Not the one from http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/? |
| 01:38:01 | laburd | Nico_P: that's the version that rbutil installed |
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| 01:38:15 | john23 | right |
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| 01:38:45 | Nico_P | laburd: to get 3.0 with rbutil you need to update it |
| 01:38:53 | Nico_P | 3.0 has a special version string too |
| 01:38:56 | john23 | I must have done something wrong |
| 01:39:05 | john23 | rockbox boot loader |
| 01:39:09 | laburd | Nico_P: I was using the 1.0.6 rbutil |
| 01:39:12 | laburd | do I need 0.7 ? |
| 01:39:24 | john23 | Version: r18422-3.0-RC-080905 |
| 01:39:40 | gevaerts | That's the correct one, yes |
| 01:39:43 | john23 | Ipod version: 0x000B0011 |
| 01:39:54 | john23 | Toshiba MK3008GAL |
| 01:39:55 | Nico_P | laburd: yes |
| 01:40:07 | john23 | Partiition 1: 0.0B 7130 MB |
| 01:40:12 | gevaerts | john23: did you use the correct mbr? |
| 01:40:20 | Nico_P | laburd: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility#Download |
| 01:40:33 | john23 | gevaerts: not sure.. I think so |
| 01:41:00 | john23 | Used the one here http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32 |
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| 01:41:18 | john23 | 30GB Video (2048-byte sectors) mbr-video30gb-2048.bin |
| 01:41:28 | maffe | hi |
| 01:41:35 | laburd | Nico_P: the 64bit version is only 0.6.. ok I'll do 32 bit |
| 01:41:43 | maffe | I just wanted to let you know ... Rockbox 3.0 rocks! :) |
| 01:42:38 | john23 | I must have done something wrong |
| 01:43:05 | gevaerts | john23: just to make sure : check the dmesg output again. Does it really say xxxxx 2048-byte hardware sectors? |
| 01:43:29 | Nico_P | maffe: thanks, that's appreciated :) |
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| 01:44:55 | john23 | [948052.567389] sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] 14651280 2048-byte hardware sectors (30006 MB) |
| 01:45:00 | gevaerts | ok |
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| 01:45:37 | john23 | whats the best sequence? mbr, then bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod |
| 01:45:41 | john23 | then firmware? |
| 01:45:44 | john23 | then reboot? |
| 01:45:46 | john23 | or what? |
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| 01:46:15 | laburd | I installed rockbox, and it's just flashing |
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| 01:46:29 | laburd | my c200 is flashing the logo over and over... I can still boot the OF by hodling down the left arrow though |
| 01:46:41 | laburd | can someone help me? |
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| 01:47:09 | gevaerts | first mbr, then make the kernel reload that mbr, then dd the firmware, then format the data partition, then bootloader and .rockbox |
| 01:47:23 | laburd | mbr? |
| 01:47:45 | laburd | ok ok... so. the firmware I can get from sansa? |
| 01:47:50 | john23 | something is bootloading |
| 01:48:23 | BigBambi | laburd: He was talking to john23 |
| 01:48:32 | laburd | woops |
| 01:49:43 | john23 | I just went through it again. did MBR, then ipodpatcher -a bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod, then dd if=Firmware-25.6.3 of=/dev/sdb1 |
| 01:50:01 | gevaerts | john23: that won't work |
| 01:50:10 | john23 | hmm.. maybe I was supposed to put the firmware into the second partition? |
| 01:50:13 | laburd | how come I can't boot rockbox on this? |
| 01:50:14 | gevaerts | No |
| 01:50:14 | john23 | oh? |
| 01:50:33 | john23 | gevaerts: whats the way? |
| 01:50:48 | gevaerts | I told you three minutes ago |
| 01:51:16 | john23 | ma bad |
| 01:51:19 | john23 | I see it now |
| 01:51:31 | gevaerts | ipodpatcher patches firmware. If you're going to restore the firmware again after that it's not going to do much |
| 01:51:36 | john23 | ok |
| 01:52:17 | gevaerts | laburd: that sounds like you only installed the bootloader and not rockbox itself |
| 01:53:12 | laburd | gevaerts: I'm doing it again (3rd time) .. although this time I manually mounted the partition instead of letting gnome/dbus do it |
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| 01:53:42 | gevaerts | laburd: does it have .rockbox/ on it? |
| 01:53:51 | laburd | still downloading :/ |
| 01:54:21 | john23 | gevaerts: What goes into the second partition? |
| 01:54:22 | laburd | ls -al /media/rockbox/.rockbox/ |
| 01:54:23 | laburd | ls: cannot access /media/rockbox/.rockbox/codecs: Input/output error |
| 01:54:28 | laburd | corruption :( |
| 01:54:46 | gevaerts | john23: the second partition gets a FAT32 filesystem |
| 01:54:49 | laburd | look at this ls -l line for codecs |
| 01:54:51 | laburd | d????????? ? ? ? ? ? codecs |
| 01:54:57 | laburd | not good |
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| 01:55:12 | laburd | man sansa makes crappy products |
| 01:55:12 | gevaerts | laburd: did you reformat it earlier? |
| 01:55:15 | laburd | yeah I did |
| 01:55:30 | john23 | gevaerts: ok, but don't put the bootloader and .rockbox in there, right? |
| 01:55:55 | gevaerts | john23: .rockbox is installed on the data partition. The bootloader isn't |
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| 01:56:16 | laburd | gevaerts: does it need to be fat16 partition label? cause I made it fat32.. also mkdosfs -F 32 -n rockbox /dev/sdc1 is what I used to format it |
| 01:56:39 | john23 | got it |
| 01:57:09 | gevaerts | laburd: If the OF boots, try to use the OF format option (in settings) |
| 01:57:24 | laburd | AHh ok |
| 01:57:27 | laburd | yes I'll do that |
| 01:57:34 | gevaerts | If that works it's the safest way |
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| 01:59:43 | john23 | Ok, I think I did everything.. (crossing fingers) |
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| 02:00:31 | Josh___ | Ahh, so it is active...to an extent |
| 02:01:31 | laburd | gevaerts: yay it works! thanks for the tips, bro! |
| 02:01:38 | gevaerts | No problem :) |
| 02:01:43 | john23 | gevaerts: failed. |
| 02:01:46 | john23 | Rockbox boot loader |
| 02:01:49 | john23 | version: 2.0 |
| 02:01:58 | john23 | ipod version: 0xFFFFFFFF |
| 02:02:16 | john23 | cant load rockbox.ipod: file not found |
| 02:02:50 | laburd | gevaerts: btw, what advantages are this version over the version I installed in June ? |
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| 02:02:53 | john23 | well, it's not called rockbox.ipod, its called bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod, right? |
| 02:03:14 | gevaerts | john23: bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod is the bootloader. rockbox.ipod isn't |
| 02:03:24 | john23 | oh |
| 02:03:40 | john23 | well thats the file it says it cant find |
| 02:03:51 | john23 | maybe I did something wrong again. |
| 02:03:59 | gevaerts | You install bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod with ipodpatcher. rockbox.ipod is in .rockbox on the data partition |
| 02:04:42 | gevaerts | john23: did you run "ipodpatcher -a bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod" ? |
| 02:04:47 | john23 | yea |
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| 02:05:07 | gevaerts | Then why is it showing version 2.0? |
| 02:05:07 | john23 | to get .rockbox in the data partition, you just run the rockbox utility, right? |
| 02:05:11 | john23 | that puts it there, right? |
| 02:05:48 | gevaerts | john23: yes. But re-run ipodpatcher. rockbox utility may have reinstalled the older bootloader |
| 02:06:06 | john23 | /media/disk-1/.rockbox/rockbox.ipod |
| 02:06:13 | john23 | ok |
| 02:06:35 | gevaerts | laburd: I can't tell you off-hand. I don't think there's been anything spectacular though |
| 02:07:22 | john23 | ok, it still can't find rockbox.ipod, but it's back to the version number I had before |
| 02:07:27 | john23 | (instead of 2.0) |
| 02:08:06 | * | gevaerts is out of ideas |
| 02:08:30 | laburd | gevaerts: heh ok |
| 02:08:41 | laburd | welp, thanks guys. Im out |
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| 02:10:12 | john23 | bummer |
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| 02:10:21 | john23 | be right back |
| 02:10:24 | cerr | hi everybody |
| 02:10:57 | cerr | any information about if rockbox is doing its job on cowon players, specifically U3? |
| 02:11:12 | krazykit | cerr, look in the New Ports forum for any information about new ports |
| 02:11:19 | krazykit | john23, you really don't need to announce when you're away from the keyboard... |
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| 02:12:39 | cerr | krzykit, alright will do thx |
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| 02:15:45 | funky | omg, you even got the logs of every single day since 2002 |
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| 02:29:20 | grafite | hello? |
| 02:29:50 | krazykit | grafite, please read the IrcGuidelines in the topic |
| 02:30:38 | grafite | yeh =], have done |
| 02:31:09 | grafite | just wanted to let you know that the Rockbox Utility for Mac (1.07) isn't available |
| 02:32:26 | grafite | I went to download the new version to try but it comes up with this message "The requested URL /rbutil/macosx/rbutilqt-v1.0.7.dmg was not found on this server." |
| 02:33:41 | krazykit | grafite, the mirror is probably just not up to date. try http://haxx.rockbox.org/rbutil/macosx/rbutilqt-v1.0.7.dmg |
| 02:35:08 | grafite | ah k...ah thnx mate, seems to be downloading now |
| 02:35:18 | grafite | went to try it yesterday but the installer was the old version |
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| 02:37:37 | thephilosopher | allo |
| 02:37:48 | star_jasmine | hi everyone, can someone tell me how to compile the rbutility with cygwin? |
| 02:38:09 | thephilosopher | is there a way to extract all file that are compiled for a specific target ? |
| 02:38:21 | thephilosopher | star_jasmine: install linux lol |
| 02:38:46 | grafite | thnx for the link krazykit ..im off tc |
| 02:38:49 | star_jasmine | no unfortunately, I don't have an extra computer to do that with |
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| 02:39:16 | domonoky1 | star_jasmine: i dont know if it works in cygwin, i use the mingw shell which you get with the Qt install... |
| 02:39:21 | gevaerts | thephilosopher: please provide helpful answers or no answer at all |
| 02:39:40 | thephilosopher | gevaerts: was just joking around |
| 02:40:11 | gevaerts | I know, but it can still be misleading to people |
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| 02:40:24 | thephilosopher | gevaerts: did you see my question any idea if it is possible ? |
| 02:40:36 | gevaerts | thephilosopher: unzip? |
| 02:40:50 | thephilosopher | gevaerts: ? unzip ? |
| 02:40:55 | gevaerts | Or else I don't understand the question |
| 02:41:27 | thephilosopher | gevaerts: i am looking for way to have only the file that are compiled for a specific target... |
| 02:41:52 | thephilosopher | i think i will help me to focus more not to have all those unusefull file around |
| 02:41:58 | thephilosopher | do you follow me ? |
| 02:42:07 | gevaerts | I think I understand now, yes. |
| 02:42:40 | gevaerts | So basically you don't want e.g. ipod-specific files when you're working on sansa |
| 02:43:31 | gevaerts | There's no easy way to do that. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it will be tricky to do |
| 02:43:47 | * | gevaerts also doesn't really see the point |
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| 02:43:53 | thephilosopher | exactly, i am still leanning about the structure so i need to focus on a target |
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| 02:45:30 | thephilosopher | learning |
| 02:46:01 | thephilosopher | gevaerts: is there a way to have the make file actually copie the file somewhere instead of compiling them ? |
| 02:46:49 | gevaerts | You can hack the makefile to do anything |
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| 02:50:28 | thephilosopher | gevaerts: yea i am not that familiar with make file |
| 02:50:41 | thephilosopher | but i when i will take a look |
| 02:50:49 | thephilosopher | gevaerts: familliar with rockbox internals ? |
| 02:51:00 | gevaerts | some parts of it |
| 02:52:13 | thephilosopher | gevaerts: do you mind some deep newbie questions ? |
| 02:52:35 | gevaerts | Normally no, but I really need to go to sleep (nearly 3AM here) |
| 02:52:54 | thephilosopher | gevaerts: no probleme next time |
| 02:53:04 | thephilosopher | thanks for your time |
| 02:53:24 | thephilosopher | gevaerts: in france ? |
| 02:53:50 | gevaerts | Belgium. Goodnight :) |
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| 03:00:48 | thephilosopher | bye |
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| 03:06:52 | allele | I'm having an interesting problem, I instantiate a two dimensional array with all the values needed at the same time, but for a three dimensional array I need to instantiate it and set each cell individually, is this a compiler issue? |
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| 03:15:54 | luisfego | help |
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| 03:23:45 | Unhelpful | allele: what language? C? C arrays are pointers, and if you mean an array-of-pointers, then, don't do that? ;) |
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| 03:55:14 | Bawitdaba | just installed 3.0 w00t |
| 03:55:30 | Bawitdaba | having never used it before its amazing |
| 03:55:54 | Bawitdaba | it doesnt seem to sleep like the normal ipod firm tho when u hold play it just shuts off |
| 03:56:54 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 03:57:07 | Llorean | We don't have code for sleeping right now. Rockbox is *fairly* low-power when idle anyway. |
| 03:57:47 | Bawitdaba | well it does say there is a idle/inactive timer that defaults to 10 mins |
| 03:58:00 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 03:58:04 | Llorean | That's when it shuts down. |
| 03:58:09 | Bawitdaba | ah ok |
| 03:58:40 | Bawitdaba | is the volume bar supposed to appear jittery or is it just me/my ipod |
| 03:58:51 | Bawitdaba | like when u are changing it |
| 03:58:57 | Bawitdaba | prolly just the theme im using |
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| 03:59:52 | Llorean | Possibly |
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| 04:01:42 | Bawitdaba | now i gotta format this thing and ditch the itunes crap and put on some real non converted music |
| 04:02:30 | Bawitdaba | you cant do anything while its usb connected right? on ipod 5.5 80gb it displays the ipod like do not disconnect |
| 04:03:49 | Llorean | If you hold menu while plugging in the cable, instead of USB connecting it'll just charge while you can continue using the player (but not access it from the computer) |
| 04:04:33 | Bawitdaba | ah ty |
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| 04:10:13 | Shadowpillar | How do I know if I have a V2 sansa e200R? |
| 04:10:41 | Llorean | The firmware version |
| 04:10:43 | Shadowpillar | I got my e200R in late 2006 |
| 04:10:54 | Shadowpillar | what should I look for? |
| 04:10:58 | Llorean | If the firmware version is 1.anything it's a v1, 3.anything is a v2 |
| 04:10:59 | Shadowpillar | in the firmware that is |
| 04:11:38 | Shadowpillar | yeah I'm a 1 |
| 04:11:41 | Shadowpillar | yay |
| 04:11:46 | Shadowpillar | finally I can get rid of the crap |
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| 04:21:16 | funky | is the automated installation reliable enough ? |
| 04:21:29 | funky | i don't wann brick my ipod |
| 04:21:31 | funky | wanna* |
| 04:21:39 | krazykit | you can't permanently brick your ipod with rockbox |
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| 04:22:36 | Llorean | In fact, the only know we way to brick an iPod is with the official updates from Apple. |
| 04:22:44 | Llorean | Or, y'know, with a hammer. |
| 04:22:54 | funky | so, do you suggest me to use the rocboxutility ? |
| 04:22:59 | krazykit | yes |
| 04:23:01 | Llorean | Yes. |
| 04:23:02 | funky | ok |
| 04:23:21 | funky | thanks |
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| 04:53:31 | SkoobeeDo | can anyone recommend a good theme that will run with 3.0 on an Ipod Photo (4G)? |
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| 04:53:54 | crackerjohn | hi lal |
| 04:54:16 | crackerjohn | i like rockbox very much |
| 04:54:57 | funky | we like you too |
| 04:54:58 | crackerjohn | but unfortunately, it can't support iAUDIO U3 |
| 04:55:08 | scorche | crackerjohn: right... |
| 04:55:30 | crackerjohn | any chances it support it? |
| 04:56:15 | krazykit | only if someone does the hard work of porting it |
| 04:56:17 | scorche | crackerjohn: well, people need to come forward with the capability, time, and the device itself to do the port |
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| 04:58:51 | crackerjohn | i have the device,and i want to help, even i dont no anything about progamming..... |
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| 05:00:44 | crackerjohn | i try to extract the original U3 fireware in order to "insert" the AAC DEcoder |
| 05:01:11 | crackerjohn | but it fale,cuz i cant even extract the fireware |
| 05:01:23 | funky | oh, there is even a gentoo ebuild for rockboxutility :D |
| 05:01:49 | allele | is the architecture of plugins different in 3.0? |
| 05:02:23 | scorche | allele: consider 3.0 a frozen "deemed stable enough" version of svn |
| 05:02:46 | crackerjohn | i dont understand... |
| 05:03:10 | allele | ah, I'll stick with my current setup then I guess |
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| 05:31:47 | eagledrc | hi, i need a hidden partition dump file for the sansa e280r... i had a messy rockbox install and uninstall |
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| 05:32:41 | LinuxMafia | hi all |
| 05:32:56 | LinuxMafia | i have an gogear pphilips video player |
| 05:33:04 | LinuxMafia | that i can not turn it on |
| 05:33:22 | scorche | LinuxMafia: that device is not a current rockbox target |
| 05:33:49 | LinuxMafia | scorche, ok but can any one help me to turn it on atleast? |
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| 05:34:10 | scorche | LinuxMafia: welcome to #rockbox...where the topic is rockbox-related topics only.. |
| 05:34:28 | LinuxMafia | scorche, is there any #gogear room? |
| 05:34:36 | scorche | no clue |
| 05:34:39 | LinuxMafia | so |
| 05:34:49 | LinuxMafia | where can i ask? |
| 05:34:59 | scorche | i dont know...that isnt really my concern... |
| 05:35:13 | LinuxMafia | or should i go to exactly same model number |
| 05:35:15 | LinuxMafia | room |
| 05:35:33 | LinuxMafia | or they have to make a room for each question |
| 05:35:47 | scorche | i fail to see what you are getting at |
| 05:36:15 | LinuxMafia | this room is the only room i can think of |
| 05:36:27 | LinuxMafia | to ask the question |
| 05:36:31 | scorche | that doesnt change the rules of this room |
| 05:37:01 | LinuxMafia | so tell me where to ask |
| 05:37:05 | LinuxMafia | i go there |
| 05:37:18 | scorche | i told you...i dont know.. |
| 05:37:18 | LinuxMafia | i need help , i did not come here to have fun |
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| 05:37:48 | LinuxMafia | are you a freebsd user? |
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| 05:38:03 | scorche | LinuxMafia: really...keep topics to rockbox-subjects |
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| 05:38:33 | LinuxMafia | there is no room for my question |
| 05:38:57 | scorche | for the last time...that isnt my concern and doesnt change the rules of this channel |
| 05:39:18 | LinuxMafia | yes boss |
| 05:39:34 | LinuxMafia | i think that was what you wanted to hear |
| 05:39:43 | LinuxMafia | now feel good |
| 05:39:45 | LinuxMafia | bye |
| 05:39:45 | scorche | are you done yet? |
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| 05:58:36 | kushal_12_27_200 | Could some one please point me to a "What's new" page for rbutilqt's latest version? Thanks |
| 05:59:34 | krazykit | the major change is that it can install 3.0 |
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| 06:02:48 | Llorean | kushal_12_27_200: It should be on the wiki page for rbutil. |
| 06:03:06 | Llorean | If not, there's always the SVN changelog... |
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| 06:12:28 | john23 | gevaerts: You still around? |
| 06:12:46 | krazykit | john23, he went to sleep several hours ago. |
| 06:13:17 | saratoga | ~6AM isn't the best time to talk to people in Europe |
| 06:13:59 | john23 | k, well 3.0 isn't working for me on my 30 gig video ipod |
| 06:14:10 | john23 | he walked me through it and it's getting an error |
| 06:14:19 | john23 | wondering if previous versions are more stable... |
| 06:14:39 | krazykit | what is the specific error? |
| 06:14:50 | john23 | Rockbox boot loader |
| 06:15:14 | john23 | Version: r18422-3.0-RC-080905 |
| 06:15:28 | john23 | IPOD version: 0x000B011 |
| 06:15:42 | john23 | TOSHIBA MK3008GAL |
| 06:15:54 | john23 | Partition 1: 0x0B 7130 MB |
| 06:16:02 | john23 | Loading Rockbox... |
| 06:16:06 | john23 | Error! |
| 06:16:13 | john23 | Can't load rockbox.ipod: |
| 06:16:21 | john23 | File not found |
| 06:16:36 | john23 | Hold MENU+SELECT etc etc. |
| 06:16:38 | Llorean | john23: Please don't do long pastes into the channel |
| 06:16:40 | scorche | john23: on such things in the future, please use a pastebin |
| 06:16:54 | john23 | I actually typed that, but ok |
| 06:16:55 | scorche | john23: how did you attempt to install? |
| 06:16:57 | krazykit | do you have /mountedipod/.rockbox/rockbox.ipod? |
| 06:17:12 | john23 | krazykit: I do |
| 06:21:18 | Llorean | A 3008 GAL shouldn't report 7130 MB |
| 06:21:45 | Llorean | You converted it from HFS+? |
| 06:21:58 | john23 | Llorean: I think you're on to something |
| 06:22:40 | john23 | I don't know if it was HFS.... but fdisk has been complaining about things when I load sdb and I think 7130 is one of the red flags, somewhere |
| 06:22:54 | john23 | I just don't know how to fix it (or what the specific problem is) |
| 06:22:55 | Llorean | Does the original firmware work? |
| 06:24:12 | john23 | Seems to. Funny thing, gparted only sees sdb / the ipod as a six gigabyte device.. whereas fdisk can see all 30 |
| 06:24:44 | john23 | Yes, when I loaded the firmware as directed, apple ipod software came back |
| 06:24:53 | saratoga | easiest thing to do is to restore it on a windows iTunes install |
| 06:25:11 | john23 | I followed these directions from gevaerts: |
| 06:25:12 | john23 | (07:44:50 PM) gevaerts: first mbr, then make the kernel reload that mbr, then dd the firmware, then format the data partition, then bootloader and .rockbox |
| 06:25:17 | Llorean | john23: But did it function properly? |
| 06:25:28 | Llorean | It booting doesn't mean everything's working. I suspect it probably would've failed to see your data partition too. |
| 06:25:34 | john23 | Llorean: I didn't notice any improprieties |
| 06:25:39 | Llorean | Did you try playing music? |
| 06:25:47 | Llorean | My guess is that you've formatted the data partition improperly |
| 06:25:57 | john23 | It had no music. |
| 06:26:16 | john23 | Does anyone know how i can repartition/reformat the ipod to a working state on linux? |
| 06:27:01 | john23 | I've scoured google looking for guidance on sectors, cylinders, units, etc.. for ipod on linux and I'm a bit lost |
| 06:27:32 | Llorean | The manual restore wiki page should tell you what you should be doing to format it |
| 06:27:35 | john23 | (it had music in the past, but it all got wiped) |
| 06:30:12 | john23 | Llorean: I currently have about a dozen links open from the wiki.. Which page are you refering to? |
| 06:32:09 | john23 | For my model, should I be using 512 byte sectors or 2048? gevaerts figured (or someone did) that I should use 2048. |
| 06:32:26 | john23 | (in order to choose the correct mbr*.bin) |
| 06:32:31 | Llorean | john23: There's only one page specifically including manual restore in the title, as far as I know |
| 06:37:33 | john23 | hard to find |
| 06:38:07 | john23 | found it |
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| 06:39:36 | john23 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodManualRestore |
| 06:39:42 | john23 | I followed those directions |
| 06:40:57 | Llorean | Did you visit the Apple site to verify whether your iPod was 5G or 5.5G? |
| 06:42:28 | john23 | I was directed to use this Firmware-25.6.3 |
| 06:42:39 | john23 | is that the apple ipod os? |
| 06:42:54 | john23 | Llorean: negative |
| 06:43:04 | john23 | I was told it was 5.5 |
| 06:43:27 | Llorean | Could you Google up the Apple page for identifying your iPod and verify this? |
| 06:43:53 | john23 | Got that firmware from here: http://www.felixbruns.de/iPod/firmware/ |
| 06:43:55 | john23 | sure |
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| 06:45:50 | brianski | does rockbox support RLE compression of BMP files at least? |
| 06:46:28 | brianski | alternately, where is the jpeg support plugin? thx |
| 06:46:40 | Llorean | brianski: Please use real words instead of "thx" |
| 06:46:46 | flowerpt | seeking debugging guidance. iPod 5GB (FAT32), Rockbox 3.0 stable, OSX, rbutilqt, bootloader says it can't find rockbox.ipod, but it's at /Volumes/ipodname/.rockbox/rockbox.ipod when in disk mode. Have uninstalled/reinstalled. |
| 06:46:56 | Llorean | the JPEG plugin is just for viewing jpegs, and the manual describes how to use it. |
| 06:47:16 | john23 | iPod (5th generation late 2006) |
| 06:47:16 | Llorean | I don't know where you're asking about use of RLE encoding, internally bitmaps for use in the firmware are actually stored in the native LCD format for speed. |
| 06:47:24 | john23 | which I suppose is the 5.5 |
| 06:47:31 | brianski | where is the manual? i'm starting from scratch here... |
| 06:47:42 | Llorean | brianski: It's behind the link "manual" on the website... |
| 06:47:48 | brianski | RLE = run length encoding. its a compression format available for bitmap filess |
| 06:47:51 | Llorean | john23: Yes. Which command line did you use to format it. |
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| 06:48:06 | Llorean | brianski: I know what RLE means, that's why I didn't ask about it. I asked *where* you were talking about its use in Rockbox. |
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| 06:48:51 | brianski | you sure are a charmer |
| 06:48:53 | brianski | kthxbai |
| 06:48:55 | john23 | Llorean: mkfs.vfat -S 2048 -F 32 /dev/sdb2 |
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| 06:49:35 | Llorean | brianski: The channel guidelines ask that you use real English. I'm really not joking about this. I've also done the best I can to actually answer your questions, but you're not being too helpful in clarifying what you're asking. |
| 06:49:53 | meshman | Hey, guys, whats up? |
| 06:50:27 | john23 | hi |
| 06:50:29 | Llorean | john23: You might want to try using a different method for formatting it. I've heard reports that some versions of mkfs.vfat don't do well with 2048 sized sectors. |
| 06:50:34 | meshman | I have a question regarding rockbox 3.0 on a 4th gen ipod if anyone has a moment... |
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| 06:50:45 | john23 | I'll try the mtools version |
| 06:50:47 | Llorean | meshman: Please just ask the question if you've got one. |
| 06:50:52 | scorche | meshman: it is typically best to go ahead and ask |
| 06:51:01 | saratoga | RLE would be pretty useless anyway for BMPs in rockbox |
| 06:51:59 | meshman | You got it, first off, I was wondering if there was anyway I can use/listen to my ipod using rockbox while its charging off the pc, it seems the default behavior when connecting the cable is to reboot the ipod and drop to disk/usb mode |
| 06:52:09 | brianski | saratoga: depends on the nature of the cover art you have, but for photorealistic overs, yes, it would be pointless. thanks for the info tho |
| 06:52:13 | Llorean | meshman: Hold menu while inserting the cable. |
| 06:52:23 | meshman | Sweet thanks for the tip |
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| 06:53:53 | meshman | One more question for ya man, this thing was full of music from itunes, i want to completely nuke all of that so i can just drag and drop music from now on, whats the easiest way to go about getting rid of the previous itunes format data.... |
| 06:54:06 | Llorean | meshman: Delete the iPod_Control folder. |
| 06:54:19 | Llorean | The original firmware will rebuild it, nearly empty, next time you boot it. This will remove all previous songs, etc. |
| 06:54:37 | meshman | awesome, thanks man, i know its gonna be cheesey, but you guys ROCK .......box :) |
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| 06:55:57 | john23 | on that page it says to use this: mformat -S 2048 -M 2048 -F a: |
| 06:56:07 | john23 | (which doesn't work) |
| 06:56:21 | john23 | argssize must be less than 6 |
| 06:56:22 | Llorean | john23: You need to configure mformat to use a drive letter for your mount point. |
| 06:56:29 | Llorean | And check its documentation. |
| 06:56:29 | john23 | I did |
| 06:56:36 | Llorean | The parameters may have changed. |
| 06:56:46 | john23 | # # Linux floppy drives |
| 06:56:46 | john23 | drive a: file="/dev/sdb2" |
| 06:57:00 | john23 | in /etc/mtools.conf |
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| 06:57:17 | john23 | however, on this page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32 |
| 06:57:39 | john23 | it says to use this: mformat -t 2428 -h 255 -n 63 -S 4 -M 2048 -F a: |
| 06:57:47 | Llorean | john23: Honestly, those pages are community documentation. If the command line there doesn't work, you'll need to compare it with what mtools says the command line is. |
| 06:58:21 | lol3izer__ | why are you using mformat |
| 06:58:21 | john23 | I just don't know what those numbers mean, much less what they should be |
| 06:58:28 | lol3izer__ | use mkfs.vfat |
| 06:58:40 | john23 | lol3izer__: cause it might be that mkfs.vfat is causing the problem |
| 07:00 |
| 07:00:24 | john23 | it's weird, cause in that second version it the -t is set to 2428 and -S is set to 4 |
| 07:00:49 | john23 | or it might not be weird |
| 07:01:59 | Llorean | john23: As I said, teh parameters may have changed. |
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| 07:02:23 | flowerpt | I saw something in the irc logs from earlier about a problem with the 'current' bootloader - would these: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9369 be the same as I would have downloaded today with rbutilqt? |
| 07:02:49 | john23 | by the way, after formating the second partition and before applying the "./ipodpatcher -a bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod" and the .rockbox... Should I be rebooting the ipod???? or after the ipodpatcher? |
| 07:04:59 | Llorean | flowerpt: What bug are you referring to? |
| 07:05:11 | Llorean | john23: Does it say to? |
| 07:06:10 | flowerpt | Llorean: "23:38:04gevaertsNo. It needs the same build, but there is a bug in the released bootloader that could explain this" |
| 07:06:30 | flowerpt | another guy was having a problem with rockbox.ipod file not found, like mine. |
| 07:06:56 | john23 | I'm just going off of what gevaerts said in this one-liner: (07:44:50 PM) gevaerts: first mbr, then make the kernel reload that mbr, then dd the firmware, then format the data partition, then bootloader and .rockbox |
| 07:07:30 | flowerpt | I'm not sure which bootloader rbutilqt is downloading. I can try the one from the bug and see. |
| 07:07:32 | Llorean | john23: So why not follow the actual page? |
| 07:08:23 | john23 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodManualRestore ends at "mformat -S 2048 -M 2048 -F DRIVE_LETTER:" |
| 07:08:36 | vcardenas_ | hi... i would like to have write permission in the wiki |
| 07:08:47 | john23 | checking this page http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodnano/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-110002.3.2 now |
| 07:11:20 | john23 | weird, now my ipod just boots up with a picture on it showing that the usb cable needs to be plugged into the ipod |
| 07:11:27 | Shadowpillar | I'm currently having trouble patching my e250R |
| 07:11:29 | * | john23 plugs it |
| 07:11:40 | john23 | oh.. she wanted juice i guess |
| 07:11:47 | Shadowpillar | I just get "unknown device" when I do the manufacture mode thing |
| 07:11:59 | flowerpt | nah, same deal. bummer. the contrast is better on the bootloader screen, though. |
| 07:12:10 | Shadowpillar | says it automatically installed drivers then says it couldnt find drivers |
| 07:12:14 | john23 | dang.. same error |
| 07:12:20 | Shadowpillar | I point it to the drivers and it still wont install them |
| 07:12:27 | john23 | (gonna try to apply the patch again) |
| 07:12:37 | Shadowpillar | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200RInstallation |
| 07:12:40 | Shadowpillar | following this |
| 07:13:13 | Shadowpillar | using XP pro |
| 07:14:10 | flowerpt | is there a way to get more more verbose info from the bootloader beyond 'file not found'? |
| 07:14:15 | john23 | file not found |
| 07:14:25 | john23 | flowerpt: same here |
| 07:14:38 | john23 | what version ipod do you have? |
| 07:14:54 | flowerpt | john23: 5GB |
| 07:15:26 | flowerpt | I'll repost my original query since it's a few screens up now: |
| 07:15:26 | john23 | flowerpt: I have the 30gig.. 5.5Gen, video |
| 07:15:29 | flowerpt | flowerpt: seeking debugging guidance. iPod 5GB (FAT32), Rockbox 3.0 stable, OSX, rbutilqt, bootloader says it can't find rockbox.ipod, but it's at /Volumes/ipodname/.rockbox/rockbox.ipod when in disk mode. Have uninstalled/reinstalled. |
| 07:15:29 | flowerpt | [00:47] |
| 07:16:06 | john23 | yea, linux here.. slightly different hardware, but same error |
| 07:16:48 | john23 | What partition does it say your 5 gigs are on? |
| 07:17:07 | flowerpt | partition 1: 0x0b 4736 MB |
| 07:18:35 | john23 | yea, mine says partition 1 too.. but linux (or osx) sees that as partition 2 |
| 07:18:44 | flowerpt | I followed the formatting instructions which called for slice 2 under OSX - BSD disklabels confuse me. |
| 07:18:44 | john23 | Which might be normal |
| 07:19:12 | john23 | strange thing here on linux, gparted (maybe a bug) only sees my device as a 7 gig device. |
| 07:19:17 | flowerpt | It has something to do with a PDP-11 or something historically crazy like that... |
| 07:19:39 | john23 | nautilus sees 30 gigs.. cfdisk, fdisk.. they all see 30 gigs |
| 07:19:56 | john23 | something about unregular cylinder count for ipods or something |
| 07:20:29 | john23 | that's funny |
| 07:21:00 | flowerpt | there used to be an 8GB limit on FAT, didn't there? |
| 07:21:27 | flowerpt | is your gparted current? It's got EFI support and everything in current versions. |
| 07:21:44 | flowerpt | ran into that installing Fedora 9 on my MBP. |
| 07:21:51 | john23 | mmm.. not sure, but theres that 4 gig ram limit on 32 bit systems, so it's probably within the exponent |
| 07:22:11 | john23 | ubuntu 8.04 |
| 07:22:25 | flowerpt | yeah, you'd think that was current enough. |
| 07:22:59 | john23 | Version: 0.3.5-1ubuntu3, whatever that is |
| 07:23:04 | meshman | Hey, running into one small issue, when using the rockbox while chargin + playing (by holding down menu when inseritng the cable) windows pops up to automatically install the device, when it cant find a suitible driver, it gives up and the rockbox(ipod) reboots |
| 07:23:08 | meshman | any thoughts? |
| 07:23:16 | john23 | libparted1.7-1 (>= 1.7.1-1) |
| 07:23:52 | john23 | meshman: (I'm new here) |
| 07:24:07 | meshman | got ya, |
| 07:24:27 | flowerpt | gparted-0.3.7-1.fc9 on Fedora 9, FWIW |
| 07:24:52 | flowerpt | OK, yeah, the ipodpatcher app sees it as partition 1 as well: |
| 07:25:01 | flowerpt | [INFO] Scanning disk devices... |
| 07:25:02 | flowerpt | [INFO] Ipod found - 1st or 2nd Generation ("winpod") - /dev/disk2 |
| 07:25:02 | flowerpt | [INFO] Reading partition table from /dev/disk2 |
| 07:25:02 | DBUG | Sent KICK flowerpt to server |
| 07:25:02 | flowerpt | [INFO] Sector size is 512 bytes |
| 07:25:02 | flowerpt | [INFO] Part Start Sector End Sector Size (MB) Type |
| 07:25:02 | Kick | (#rockbox flowerpt :No flooding!) by logbot!n=bjst@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-507a9318582de8ba |
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| 07:25:14 | john23 | not using gpated anyway though |
| 07:25:25 | meshman | lol |
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| 07:25:36 | john23 | ouch |
| 07:25:40 | scorche | flowerpt: next time, might i recommend a pastebin... |
| 07:25:59 | Shadowpillar | anyone here familiar with the e250R? |
| 07:26:05 | Shadowpillar | the sansa e250R that is? |
| 07:26:06 | flowerpt | I wonder what the rate limit is... |
| 07:26:18 | scorche | flowerpt: dont try and test it |
| 07:26:48 | flowerpt | well, I have no more data to share anyhow. |
| 07:27:37 | krazykit | Shadowpillar, why not just ask your question? |
| 07:27:46 | john23 | last few lines didnt post |
| 07:28:30 | Shadowpillar | anyway I cant seem to be able to patch my Sansa E250R |
| 07:29:01 | Shadowpillar | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200RInstallation |
| 07:29:02 | john23 | whats the error? |
| 07:29:06 | Shadowpillar | it auto detects it |
| 07:29:22 | Shadowpillar | then when I go to manually install the drivers, they dont install |
| 07:29:32 | Shadowpillar | just says the current driver is the best suited driver |
| 07:29:46 | Shadowpillar | and the device comes up as "unknown device" and says there are no drivers installed |
| 07:29:48 | Shadowpillar | any ideas? |
| 07:31:05 | john23 | holy crap I saw the rockbox splash screen! |
| 07:31:48 | john23 | flowerpt: I just tried the utility again and it finally worked |
| 07:32:08 | flowerpt | just repeating the action? |
| 07:32:19 | Shadowpillar | so what can I do to fix this? |
| 07:32:20 | Shadowpillar | anyone? |
| 07:32:33 | john23 | Shadowpillar: not using windows here |
| 07:32:36 | Shadowpillar | it just wont let me install the drivers |
| 07:32:46 | Shadowpillar | temptedt o fire up either linux in a VM or my eeepc |
| 07:33:16 | john23 | flowerpt: here is what I did |
| 07:33:51 | john23 | sudo dd if=mbr-video30gb-2048.bin of=/dev/sdb |
| 07:35:16 | john23 | gotta get the mbr for your own device here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32 |
| 07:35:22 | john23 | then... |
| 07:35:50 | john23 | sudo eject /dev/sdb |
| 07:35:57 | john23 | so it fully writes out the table |
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| 07:36:26 | john23 | then, sudo dd if=Firmware-25.6.3 of=/dev/sdb1 |
| 07:37:02 | john23 | gotta get the version for your hardware here: http://www.felixbruns.de/iPod/firmware/ |
| 07:37:52 | john23 | use this page to help you find your version of hardware, specifically (if there are multiple firmware versions of the same model) |
| 07:37:56 | john23 | http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1353 |
| 07:38:28 | john23 | (of cource, you'll have to modify your device paths, etc... ) |
| 07:39:00 | john23 | then, this seems to work, i guess, for me: mformat -t 2428 -h 255 -n 63 -S 4 -M 2048 -F a: |
| 07:39:04 | flowerpt | hrm, I definitely didn't do the Apple firmware install. |
| 07:39:45 | john23 | i'm running mtools version Version: 3.9.11-0ubuntu1 |
| 07:40:12 | john23 | (actually, I had to run that with a sudo) |
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| 07:40:36 | john23 | then sudo ./ipodpatcher -a bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod |
| 07:41:00 | | Part ameyer |
| 07:41:10 | john23 | which I retrieved from here: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9369 |
| 07:41:42 | john23 | Then I tried extracting the rockbox software into the second partion |
| 07:42:30 | john23 | Which I got from here: http://www.rockbox.org/download/ |
| 07:42:58 | john23 | now.. that's where I've been for the past few hours, trying those steps in different combinations... |
| 07:43:40 | john23 | finally, I tried the rockbox utility (the graphical installer) once again and it suddenly worked... I don't know what made it work this time, but it was some combination of the sequence |
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| 07:47:50 | flowerpt | ok, just compiled mtools, will try mformat now (skipping the ipod firmware this go-around for variable isolation) |
| 07:48:36 | flowerpt | john23: are the mformat flags specific to your disk geometry? |
| 07:48:59 | john23 | .. a little.. one sec |
| 07:49:30 | flowerpt | errr, that was poorly phrased. |
| 07:50:03 | flowerpt | the sane question would have been, "how did you determine the flags specific to your disk geometry?" |
| 07:50:44 | john23 | I ripped that from http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32 but I think those directions might be 5/5.5G centric |
| 07:51:00 | john23 | that page is geared towards macs though |
| 07:51:20 | flowerpt | ah, yeah. |
| 07:52:06 | john23 | there's a little more information on sectors and geometry at the bottem of this page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodManualRestore |
| 07:52:17 | john23 | but I'm not sure how useful it will be to you. |
| 07:52:37 | john23 | there's an mformat command on that page as well but it errors for me |
| 07:54:06 | flowerpt | I'm comparing minfo output to that at the moment... not sure what the bootloader is expecting. |
| 07:56:47 | john23 | im guessing 512 size sectors for yours |
| 07:57:59 | john23 | so, wild guess here, switch -M 2048 with -M 512? |
| 07:58:24 | flowerpt | yeah, it's 512, just seeing how much mformat will autodetect. |
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| 07:58:48 | john23 | well, itd probably default to 512 anyway |
| 07:59:00 | flowerpt | ah: mformat: Unknown geometry (You must tell the complete geometry of the disk, |
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| 08:00:27 | flowerpt | oh, fab, minfo gives you the mformat commandline. nice! |
| 08:00:39 | flowerpt | I just need to give it -F, I think for FAT32 |
| 08:01:33 | john23 | how do you exit apps? |
| 08:05:16 | flowerpt | which kind of app? |
| 08:05:22 | flowerpt | oh, nm |
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| 08:13:32 | john23 | night |
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| 10:22:09 | shoegoo | i am trying to install 3.0 on my e280 (v1), but the rbutil is giving me an error "extracting failed: unable to create or open file" |
| 10:23:34 | shoegoo | anyone seen this before? I am using rbutil 1.0.7 |
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| 10:24:39 | pixelma | is your e200 in MSC mode? Just a guess, don't know much about installing with RBUtil |
| 10:25:45 | pixelma | and is this the first install or just updating builds? |
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| 10:27:57 | shoegoo | I am checking the usb mode, I think it is in msc, but it's taking a few minutes to boot the stock firmware. I originally was updating from an older version of rb, but when that failed I tried completely removing rb and installing clean |
| 10:28:01 | pixelma | shoegoo: I just mean that - if you are trying a "full installation" or "bootloader installation" on a Sansa, you need to run RBUtil with administrative rights |
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| 10:29:51 | shoegoo | it's in msc mode and i am trying to do a full installation so i have been running rbutil in admin mode |
| 10:30:00 | shoegoo | maybe i should just try installing it manually? |
| 10:32:22 | pixelma | I would give the utility another try |
| 10:32:45 | pixelma | ah, sorry misread |
| 10:33:49 | shoegoo | no worries |
| 10:36:05 | pixelma | hmm, I'm a bit out of ideas then. Would be interesting to know what's going on for you though also because rbutil 1.07 is only out since yesterday or so |
| 10:37:11 | pixelma | shoegoo: what OS are you on? |
| 10:38:09 | shoegoo | well, I am on current ubuntu, but this is my friends sansa, and he tried today on his win2k box and ran into the same issue, weird huh? |
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| 11:13:22 | JdGordon | mcuelenaere: hey, you do a bit of work with the wps editor yeah? |
| 11:13:40 | mcuelenaere | JdGordon: yes, I did help a bit |
| 11:14:04 | JdGordon | which IDE do you use? |
| 11:14:10 | mcuelenaere | pretty much none |
| 11:14:20 | mcuelenaere | I used Code::Blocks because krz used it |
| 11:14:27 | mcuelenaere | but now I just use Notepad++ |
| 11:14:29 | JdGordon | hmm ok |
| 11:15:17 | mcuelenaere | are you thinking of improving it? |
| 11:15:45 | JdGordon | yeah, i wanted to, but kate is no good for it |
| 11:16:11 | mcuelenaere | you do know of the Qt Development kit? |
| 11:16:44 | JdGordon | yeah, I'ev got their designer and doc browser installed |
| 11:17:14 | mcuelenaere | ok, what's the problem with kate? |
| 11:17:45 | JdGordon | i dunno, its fine for c, c++ feels odd in it or somethng |
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| 12:29:33 | funky | rockbox utility fails at adding the bootloader on my ipod video |
| 12:30:04 | funky | [ERR] Short read - requested 8388608 bytes, received 3274240 |
| 12:30:04 | funky | [ERR] Image movement failed. |
| 12:30:18 | funky | ? |
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| 12:32:20 | pixelma | funky: what version of the Rockbox Utility are you running and on what OS? |
| 12:33:10 | funky | mmm |
| 12:33:14 | funky | I see it's not the last one |
| 12:33:18 | funky | m1.0.6 |
| 12:33:27 | funky | I downloaded the 64bits binary for linux |
| 12:33:32 | funky | from the web |
| 12:33:50 | funky | I don't know why it got that version instead of the last one |
| 12:34:16 | funky | ah, because there isn't m.107 for 64 bits |
| 12:34:45 | * | funky tries with m107 32bits |
| 12:35:55 | funky | [ERR] Short read - requested 8388608 bytes, received 3274240 |
| 12:35:56 | funky | [ERR] Image movement failed. |
| 12:35:57 | funky | same |
| 12:38:03 | funky | pixelma: any idea? |
| 12:38:25 | pixelma | sorry, no |
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| 12:41:51 | funky | should I try to install it manually ? |
| 12:42:06 | funky | and then install the firmware through the utility |
| 12:44:08 | funky | fuck, this is a pita |
| 12:45:11 | funky | I think I'm gonna try on windows |
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| 12:47:58 | thomasboll | hello |
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| 12:48:56 | pixelma | funky: just checking - is your Ipod correctly working (with the Apple firmware) and/or did you have to take additional steps like converting the file system before trying to install Rockbox? |
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| 12:49:37 | jackiass | hello |
| 12:49:57 | jackiass | anybody here? |
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| 12:50:32 | pixelma | lots, if you have a question - just ask (see guidelines) |
| 12:50:35 | thomasboll | Hello |
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| 12:51:56 | jackiass | oki |
| 12:52:36 | jackiass | Do you know how to get it to show album arts with the cabbiev2 theme? |
| 12:52:57 | jackiass | iPod Nano 1g |
| 12:53:55 | pixelma | did you read the AlbumArt wiki page? |
| 12:54:06 | Bagder | http://opensource.solidot.org/opensource/08/09/27/0554253.shtml |
| 12:54:14 | Bagder | never-ending series of 3.0 news |
| 12:54:31 | Bagder | in this case, at least I think it is ;-) |
| 12:55:01 | pixelma | that looks like Chinese to me ;) |
| 12:55:15 | jackiass | theres an AlbumArt Wiki? |
| 12:56:30 | advcomp2019 | jackiass, yes there is |
| 12:56:33 | jackiass | do you know where that is? |
| 12:57:10 | advcomp2019 | here then: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AlbumArt |
| 12:57:14 | pixelma | there's an AlbumArt page in the Rockbox wiki |
| 12:57:45 | jackiass | thanks |
| 12:58:52 | funky | pixelma: it worked on windows |
| 12:59:00 | funky | well, it failed at installing themes |
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| 12:59:07 | funky | but I think that's a general issue |
| 12:59:18 | funky | not exclusively mine |
| 12:59:26 | scorche | funky: that is to be expected |
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| 13:00:22 | funky | pixelma: I think it's a kind of bug in the linux version of the utility |
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| 13:00:38 | funky | if the dev is around and want any sort of debug, let me know |
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| 13:41:25 | dereine | hi, is there a way to bring rockbox to sansa e250 V2 |
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| 13:45:49 | advcomp2019 | dereine, do you know how to code? ;) |
| 13:46:12 | dereine | advcomp2019: partly yes |
| 13:46:43 | dereine | is there a way to help? |
| 13:47:03 | advcomp2019 | you will need to look on the thread in the forum then |
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| 14:16:28 | eagledrc | hi, i need a hidden partition dump file for the sansa e280r |
| 14:18:20 | funman | you can dump it yourself if you are willing to open your sansa |
| 14:23:06 | advcomp2019 | funman, i think he needs it because he has a corrupted version.txt file via recovery mode and he tried the unbricking steps and it is still corrupted after the e200tool |
| 14:23:45 | funman | :/ |
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| 15:15:43 | lasser | list |
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| 15:18:52 | eagledrc_ | hi, i need a hidden partition dump file for the sansa e280r |
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| 15:21:07 | breiti | hey.... iPod nano (1st) gen doenst start (with pressing select/play) |
| 15:21:27 | breiti | and menu |
| 15:21:37 | breiti | how to start |
| 15:21:44 | breiti | (without connecting to the pc) |
| 15:21:48 | breiti | its a bug? |
| 15:22:44 | breiti | huh? it even doesnt start with connecting to the PC X_X |
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| 15:26:19 | breiti | o.O |
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| 15:26:22 | breiti | reboot fixed this o.o |
| 15:26:24 | breiti | crap |
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| 16:04:37 | kugel | JdGordon: hey, I updated my pf patch |
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| 16:17:36 | luck00 | hi all |
| 16:18:33 | john23 | this is awesome |
| 16:19:50 | luck00 | i search for a little help about rockbox patching...can i ask here ? |
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| 16:20:29 | domonoky | luck00: just ask... |
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| 16:22:55 | luck00 | for example i try to find colorised-wps+battery-volume_levels.patch on flyspray but it is a little bit dificult |
| 16:23:19 | luck00 | i want to make a custom build for my x5 |
| 16:23:39 | luck00 | and try to find the best patches for it |
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| 16:23:44 | luck00 | there is any fast way? |
| 16:26:55 | domonoky | luck00: a fast way would be, to see if there is already a custom build with this patches in the forum. |
| 16:27:47 | luck00 | thx allready i find one...:) |
| 16:28:03 | luck00 | it is an old build but i have the pathces |
| 16:29:26 | domonoky | there is no shortcut, just apply a desired patch, and see if it compiles. (otherwise the patch is outof date, and you have to fix it, or give up)... |
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| 16:42:02 | uep | Does the rockbox boatloader support a dual-boot kind of behavior? |
| 16:42:16 | meven | uep: yes |
| 16:42:16 | uep | Specifically, for the h10. |
| 16:42:27 | meven | i know this at least for ipod |
| 16:43:09 | debianforlife | I am having a hard time installing the bootloader on my 4th gen grey ipod, I used the "Rockbox utility" to install rockbox, but neither the ipodpatcher script, or the utility will install the bootloader |
| 16:44:16 | Nevtus | uep, yes although rockbox will always be the default over the normal firmware |
| 16:45:14 | Nevtus | debianforlife, going from your nick I guess you're on linux? I had to run it as root |
| 16:46:04 | debianforlife | I am running both the script and the utility as root, still saying it can't find the ipod |
| 16:46:45 | * | domonoky notes that ipodpatcher isnt a script. and rbutil uses the same code :-) |
| 16:46:46 | debianforlife | the data partition on my ipod is 3, not 2 like it would be on most 4th gen ipods, could that be the cause of the issue? |
| 16:46:51 | domonoky | what error do you get ? |
| 16:47:08 | debianforlife | [INFO] Scanning disk devices... |
| 16:47:08 | debianforlife | [ERR] No ipods found, aborting |
| 16:47:08 | debianforlife | [ERR] Please connect your ipod and ensure it is in disk mode |
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| 16:47:08 | debianforlife | [ERR] Please refer to the Rockbox manual if you continue to have problems. |
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| 16:47:43 | debianforlife | how do i post the error without getting kicked out for flooding? |
| 16:47:49 | domonoky | yes, if the ipod partitioning isnt original, ipodpatcher wont find it.. |
| 16:47:50 | Nevtus | pastebin? |
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| 16:48:46 | debianforlife | domonoky, so for it to work I have to put it back to the original partitioning scheme? |
| 16:48:53 | debianforlife | sda2 for data |
| 16:49:12 | domonoky | debianforlife: yes, best to restore it completly |
| 16:49:21 | debianforlife | ok, thanks for your help |
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| 17:07:48 | * | kugel should definitely pay more attention on compiler warnings |
| 17:09:44 | kugel | Slasheri: ping |
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| 17:10:39 | a2cypher | Hey, was the fontpack changed or something? I'm trying to find helvR12.fnt because I need it for a theme but its no longer in the fontpack that I downloaded |
| 17:10:52 | BigBambi | yes, there is now logic in the naming |
| 17:11:07 | a2cypher | so which font is the one I need? |
| 17:11:33 | kugel | 12-adobe-helvitica (or like that) |
| 17:11:41 | a2cypher | because its sure broken a lot of fonts. |
| 17:11:42 | a2cypher | Ok |
| 17:11:45 | a2cypher | er themes |
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| 17:12:19 | BigBambi | And has made it a lot more sensible |
| 17:12:22 | kugel | a2cypher: more information here: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/fonts/README?revision=18390&view=markup |
| 17:12:35 | BigBambi | And given it is a one line fix, I don't think it is too onerous |
| 17:13:05 | kugel | dionoea: ping |
| 17:13:09 | a2cypher | I agree that the naming convention makes sense.. just that it would be nice if there were a backwards compatible version of the font-pack that worked with current themes |
| 17:13:22 | BigBambi | That would defeat the point |
| 17:13:33 | BigBambi | And to fix a theme, it is one line |
| 17:13:46 | a2cypher | well then maybe a warning on the themes page that says "warning: none of these themes will work unmodified" |
| 17:13:48 | dionoea | kugel: pong |
| 17:13:55 | BigBambi | That isn't true |
| 17:14:05 | kugel | I get a warning with your settings tag patch |
| 17:14:16 | dionoea | A compilation warning? |
| 17:14:24 | BigBambi | And if they are licensed properly (which all the ones on the WpsGallery should be, anyone can fix it and reupload |
| 17:14:48 | kugel | yea, comparison between signed and unsigned in wps_parser |
| 17:15:14 | dionoea | well if you have a fix, feel free to attach it to the track entry |
| 17:15:33 | dionoea | something like in the array size comparison? |
| 17:15:53 | a2cypher | other than the fonts annoyance, I do love rockbox so far. keep up the good work guys |
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| 17:17:19 | kugel | No, I have no fix (yet) |
| 17:17:28 | funman | hoy dionoea |
| 17:17:38 | dionoea | hey funman ! So, how's that SD driver going? :) |
| 17:18:03 | funman | we are still very confused |
| 17:18:11 | a2cypher | thats odd. hervR12 is actually now 15-Adobe-Helvetica |
| 17:18:16 | dionoea | kugel: or is it the strlen() == comparison? |
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| 17:18:55 | a2cypher | Is there a definitive list of plugins somewhere on the site ? |
| 17:19:24 | BigBambi | yes, in the wiki |
| 17:19:37 | BigBambi | It is called PluginIndex or something similar |
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| 17:20:30 | a2cypher | the best plugin that i would LOVE to see on my ipod; but I doubt this is possible; would be a PDF viewer. |
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| 17:21:29 | kugel | dionoea: yea, I think so |
| 17:21:38 | meven | is there people working on meizu m6 port here ? |
| 17:21:48 | Nevtus | a2cypher, hah, i was just searching to see if one existed a few hours ago |
| 17:21:52 | kugel | strlen(settings[i].cfg_name)==end-ptr |
| 17:22:00 | meven | i am tring to run the bootloader using DFU on my SL |
| 17:22:30 | meven | but i get the error "Error trying to get CPU model, exiting." |
| 17:23:09 | meven | whereas on the forums sl is marked as supportted by the DFU tool and the actual bootloader |
| 17:23:16 | meven | i'd like to find out why |
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| 17:25:21 | meven | gevaerts, markun, if you are here |
| 17:26:43 | dionoea | kugel: weird thing is that strlen() return type is size_t and end-ptr should be something like size_t too (well, ptrdiff_t) |
| 17:27:05 | dionoea | kugel: so both should be signed values |
| 17:27:50 | dionoea | well looks like strcmp returns int instead of size_t in rockbox ... but that's the same thing |
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| 17:30:58 | kugel | but int is probably sighned |
| 17:31:22 | funman | if the signedness is not explicit it could be signed or not |
| 17:31:28 | funman | there is no default (this is compiler dependant) |
| 17:32:00 | meven | i just forgot to run meizu_dfu as root :/ my bad |
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| 17:32:32 | funman | size_t is not signed afaik |
| 17:33:19 | dionoea | a right. ssize_t is |
| 17:33:28 | a2cypher | quick question.. what would cause a .mpg to not be displayed when browsing files? |
| 17:33:33 | dionoea | a2cypher: your file display settings maybe |
| 17:34:30 | a2cypher | yup.. that was it |
| 17:34:31 | a2cypher | thanks |
| 17:34:41 | dionoea | you're welcome |
| 17:36:30 | a2cypher | my video seems to chop every half second or so |
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| 17:36:42 | BigBambi | What target? |
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| 17:36:44 | kugel | dionoea: I just casted end-ptr to unsigned, that should do it (or not?) |
| 17:36:47 | a2cypher | ipod video |
| 17:36:52 | a2cypher | 5g |
| 17:37:01 | BigBambi | Big screen + slow processor = bad peformance |
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| 17:37:21 | dionoea | kugel: that should work (since we know that end >= ptr) |
| 17:37:23 | BigBambi | The ipod video is the worst performing Rockbox target, you are better off watching videos in the OF |
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| 17:37:32 | a2cypher | I see |
| 17:38:03 | a2cypher | thats kind of strange.. you'd think the ipod video would be best at playing videos. he he |
| 17:38:20 | dionoea | a2cypher: rockbox doesn't use the dedicated video decoding chip |
| 17:38:21 | BigBambi | No, the OF uses an additional decoding chip that we don't have to use |
| 17:38:31 | kugel | dionoea: as far as I see, end and ptr are char*, not size_t |
| 17:38:31 | BigBambi | s/have/know/ |
| 17:38:42 | a2cypher | oh, that explains it |
| 17:38:57 | dionoea | kugel: a difference between 2 pointers is ptrdiff_t which is often the same as "signed int" |
| 17:38:57 | a2cypher | is it that you cant use it or that you choose not to? |
| 17:39:04 | BigBambi | don't know how to |
| 17:39:16 | kugel | ah well, didn't know that |
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| 17:39:31 | dionoea | kugel: since basically it returns the number of char between the 2. (so an int) |
| 17:39:34 | BigBambi | Like all ipod hardware, this is undocumented. However as it benefits only the video, and then only for playing video, nobody has tried to reverse engineer it |
| 17:39:43 | a2cypher | I see |
| 17:39:46 | a2cypher | makes sense |
| 17:40:24 | kugel | dionoea: From a forum post I found in google: "size_t is defined as an unsigned type, and ptrdiff_t is defined as a signed type, period." |
| 17:40:26 | a2cypher | well if I werent too busy and actually cared much about the video on my ipod I might actually give it a go |
| 17:40:49 | dionoea | kugel: yep. (and ssize_t is signed). So that would explain the missmatch |
| 17:40:57 | funman | makes sense |
| 17:41:09 | dionoea | even though the rockbox strcmp seems to use int and not unsigned int for the return type |
| 17:41:24 | funman | strcmp() must return an int |
| 17:41:27 | funman | (signed) |
| 17:41:39 | kugel | yea |
| 17:41:59 | funman | str(n)cmp() return an integer less than, equal, or greater than zero |
| 17:42:03 | dionoea | err, why did I lookup strcmp() while this is strlen() ... |
| 17:42:05 | * | dionoea wonders |
| 17:42:29 | dionoea | yeah, strlen() is size_t in rockbox too :) |
| 17:42:37 | funman | unless your string is more than 2^31 chars no problem |
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| 17:54:17 | uep | Hmm, is there anything I can do help accelerate USB support for the iriver h10? |
| 17:54:32 | uep | I'm actually an embedded programmer, but I can't say I've ever written a usb driver. |
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| 17:55:11 | BigBambi | uep: YOu want to speak to gevaerts |
| 17:55:11 | funman | you can start by reading the specs I think |
| 17:55:22 | BigBambi | The Rockbox USB driver is virtually done |
| 17:55:31 | funman | but since it's very long iirc you should ask for specific sections |
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| 17:55:39 | BigBambi | As far as I am aware the remaining problem is bus resets when using hubs |
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| 17:55:47 | BigBambi | I *think* timing problems are suspected |
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| 17:56:26 | BigBambi | uep: www.rockbox.org/wiki/PortalPlayerUsb |
| 17:56:29 | * | kugel thinks pictureflow looks much better with my new defaults |
| 17:57:24 | kugel | s/me/his/ :P |
| 17:57:42 | kugel | gevaerts: pin |
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| 18:00:05 | uep | BigBambi: I get no response by ubuntu when I plug the device in. I'm using a build though, not a daily. |
| 18:00:16 | BigBambi | Did you read that link? |
| 18:00:20 | uep | I've also tried front and back ports. |
| 18:00:37 | BigBambi | It isn't enabled by default, as the wiki page I posted a link to says |
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| 18:00:54 | uep | Okay, I guess I should have taken that from "It's not ready yet." |
| 18:01:08 | BigBambi | You need to change a couple of defines then build Rockbox to enable it, because of the issues also outlined on the page I linked you to |
| 18:01:26 | uep | I see. |
| 18:01:48 | saratoga | uep: the stack itself is working, just theres some glitch in the USB controller on the PP targets (H10 included) that needs to be worked around |
| 18:01:58 | uep | I had read most of that page earlier today, but stupidly I somehow skipped the "Enabling mass storage support" section. |
| 18:02:04 | BigBambi | And in the SD driver on the Sansas |
| 18:02:19 | kugel | someone with an c200 available to test FS #6800? |
| 18:02:31 | BigBambi | kugel: OK |
| 18:02:35 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: What's FS #6800? |
| 18:02:43 | kugel | backlight fading |
| 18:02:54 | BigBambi | LambdaCalculus37: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6800 |
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| 18:03:15 | hospadar | hello |
| 18:03:32 | kugel | it's enabled for e200 only, but easily expandable to c200 (define HAVE_BACKLIGHT_THREAD_FADING in config-c200.h) |
| 18:03:37 | * | funman highlights on *sansa*sd* |
| 18:03:38 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: Okay, let me roll a build. |
| 18:04:00 | hospadar | I was wondering about what are people's favorite device for the rockbox |
| 18:04:15 | BigBambi | Depends. Day to day gigabeat, recording H100 |
| 18:04:19 | kugel | and since c200 and e200 use the same backlight driver, it should work |
| 18:04:29 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: Here? |
| 18:04:42 | hospadar | gigabeat F? |
| 18:04:50 | BigBambi | F currently, soo to be S |
| 18:05:00 | BigBambi | The S just isn't quite complete |
| 18:05:05 | hospadar | ahh |
| 18:05:07 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: cool, thanks. It's not my patch, but I really like it, and would love it to be committed |
| 18:05:45 | hospadar | are there unreleased builds that will run on the S? |
| 18:05:51 | hospadar | or are they not useable yet |
| 18:05:52 | kugel | and it should actually work on *any* device with adjustable backlight brightness |
| 18:05:52 | BigBambi | You can build it yourself |
| 18:06:13 | BigBambi | You need to apply patches to get charging, bass+treble etc doesn't work yet |
| 18:06:20 | hospadar | ahh |
| 18:06:27 | BigBambi | + other stuff I can't think of at the moment |
| 18:06:50 | LambdaCalculus37 | Bad battery life still. |
| 18:06:58 | hospadar | does the gigabeat just use a regular mini usb (for data and charging?) |
| 18:07:01 | BigBambi | yes |
| 18:07:02 | * | LambdaCalculus37 waits for his build to finish |
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| 18:07:29 | markun | meven: hi |
| 18:07:35 | markun | are you going to work on the meizu port? |
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| 18:08:26 | hospadar | how difficult is it to develop for rockbox? |
| 18:08:32 | meven | markun i am trying to |
| 18:08:52 | krazykit | hospadar, well, you need to know C |
| 18:08:52 | LambdaCalculus37 | hospadar: Not way too difficult, but it does require some skills with C. |
| 18:08:55 | hospadar | as in, what tools do you use, how do you draw menues, etc |
| 18:08:56 | meven | at least i have some C skills a m6sl and the will to learn more |
| 18:09:00 | hospadar | I do know C |
| 18:09:07 | hospadar | and am familiar with gcc |
| 18:09:11 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: don't forget to define HAVE_BACKLIGHT_THREAD_FADING :) |
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| 18:09:20 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: Crap! |
| 18:09:24 | * | LambdaCalculus37 starts the build over |
| 18:10:15 | krazykit | hospadar, there's a developer's section of the rockbox wiki you could check out for some good information |
| 18:10:25 | hospadar | ohh alright |
| 18:10:29 | hospadar | well thanks dudes |
| 18:10:48 | hospadar | time to fix my zen vision:M so I can sell it to afford something for rockbox =) |
| 18:10:48 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: Should've warned me sooner. ;) |
| 18:10:53 | markun | meven: the more people the better. We are all busy with other things besides rockbox, so sometimes progress can be bit slow. |
| 18:11:01 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: well I actually did :P |
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| 18:11:25 | * | kugel points to 18:03 (CEST) |
| 18:11:49 | meven | markun: yes i can imagine, plus rockbox is not a small project |
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| 18:12:11 | kugel | Wasn't there decent progress on the ZVM port? |
| 18:12:42 | kugel | It's probably a better idea to fix the ZVM, but not in order to sell but rather help porting |
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| 18:13:17 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: Yes, mcuelenaere was making some good progress. But I think he's taking a little breather right now, since he's also working on the Onda port. |
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| 18:14:31 | meven | markun and since i love rockbox and i own a meizu why sit on a chair and wait when i could help porting it |
| 18:14:57 | kugel | meven: Exactly! |
| 18:15:16 | saratoga | i'm hoping the ZVM port resumes once they figure out the file system weirdness |
| 18:15:24 | saratoga | the TMS320 chip it uses is interesting |
| 18:15:26 | Stormx2 | What's up with the filesystem? |
| 18:15:27 | funman | hum we can rotate a register to the right but not to the left |
| 18:15:35 | Stormx2 | I wish rockbox supported my Zen Micro :( |
| 18:15:54 | kugel | funman: are you sure? (I assume you're talking about the v2 port) |
| 18:16:14 | kugel | I remember I read about rotation in both direction |
| 18:16:17 | funman | well I look at the arm instructions quick reference card |
| 18:16:26 | markun | meven: can you read ARM assembly language? |
| 18:16:32 | funman | ror for rotate right |
| 18:16:51 | meven | i can try i do know only the basics for now |
| 18:16:54 | funman | probably I can do without it |
| 18:17:01 | Bawitdaba | http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/8818/rockboxqo0.jpg |
| 18:17:04 | Bawitdaba | lmao |
| 18:17:08 | markun | meven: We're trying to figure out how to write to the display, but so far no luck. You would have to ask gevaerts about the code he wrote it you ware interested. |
| 18:17:21 | saratoga | Stormx2: it uses an odd creative file system thats not entirely reverse engineered |
| 18:17:47 | funman | can you write to it only with MTP ? |
| 18:17:50 | meven | markun: this is exactly what i am waiting for |
| 18:18:01 | kugel | funman: you rotate left by rotation right with (32-n) |
| 18:18:02 | meven | but for now i have a small problem |
| 18:18:18 | kugel | rotating* |
| 18:18:25 | funman | kugel: ah of course :) |
| 18:18:27 | meven | i can not run the booloader using the DFU tools |
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| 18:19:15 | Stormx2 | I might buy an ipod or something just so I can use rockbox |
| 18:19:16 | saratoga | funman: its normally written to with the creative software (not sure if its MTP) |
| 18:19:22 | Stormx2 | Want to play flac and use last.fm :( |
| 18:19:27 | Bawitdaba | i have my ipod connected to usb and i held menu while i connected it but its not charging |
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| 18:19:44 | saratoga | do ipods charge in rockbox? |
| 18:19:46 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: ping :) How's it going? |
| 18:19:49 | j6 | saratoga: yep |
| 18:19:56 | j6 | make sure to buy a 5.5g |
| 18:20:10 | Stormx2 | Infact, does anyone have a recommendation for a player that works well with RockBox and has a good amount of space (20GB+, ideally a bunch more) |
| 18:20:15 | Stormx2 | Value for money and all that. |
| 18:20:32 | j6 | Stormx2: cowon players are great |
| 18:20:37 | Stormx2 | Awesome |
| 18:20:46 | j6 | just replace their drives with something bigger |
| 18:20:48 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: Built and testing. |
| 18:21:02 | Stormx2 | j6, is that easy to do? |
| 18:21:09 | krazykit | Stormx2, gigabeat f40s go for pretty cheap on ebay |
| 18:21:13 | j6 | Stormx2: yeah, I think so |
| 18:21:16 | saratoga | the most popular hard disk players these days are the Gigabeats |
| 18:21:18 | domonoky | Stormx2: take a look at: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=BuyersGuide |
| 18:21:23 | kugel | Stormx2: consider buying a gigabeat F/X (or S) |
| 18:21:23 | saratoga | cowans are very difficult to get |
| 18:21:27 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: Looks like a good patch. But I'll leave it up to the real devs to decide if it should go in. |
| 18:21:30 | Stormx2 | Oh okay |
| 18:21:31 | Stormx2 | :) |
| 18:22:03 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: So it works? Then it would be kind if you update the patch on the tracker (and rename the title to include c200) |
| 18:22:23 | Stormx2 | Oh that is good |
| 18:22:27 | * | Stormx2 looks on ebay |
| 18:22:54 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: I think the patch is good, but it could be easily expanded to other targets, and thus be written more generic |
| 18:23:11 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: Hang on... Mac OS X is being moody again... |
| 18:23:17 | * | LambdaCalculus37 kicks his build environment |
| 18:23:52 | kugel | I'm not sure which dev is "most responsible" for backlight (if any) |
| 18:23:53 | Stormx2 | Heh |
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| 18:24:07 | Stormx2 | The only gigabeat f/x/s stuff on ebay.co.uk is batteries :( |
| 18:25:00 | kugel | Stormx2: Well, that's the general problem with rockbox. just about every supported target isn't sold anymore |
| 18:25:01 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: I need to update my SVN checkout, because I want this patch as recent as I can. |
| 18:25:18 | Stormx2 | kugel, hm yeah. |
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| 18:25:56 | Nevtus | is the ipod video 80GB the largest player (storage wise) that Rockbox works with? |
| 18:26:21 | LambdaCalculus37 | Nevtus: The largest in terms of out-of-the-box capacity, yes. |
| 18:26:31 | saratoga | i'm seeing a bunch of gigabeats on US ebay |
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| 18:27:41 | Nevtus | 80GB just isn't enough these days :( |
| 18:27:51 | hcs | heh |
| 18:27:52 | LambdaCalculus37 | So get a larger hard drive. |
| 18:28:13 | Nevtus | i guess |
| 18:29:10 | Stormx2 | Meh |
| 18:29:19 | Stormx2 | I have about 350GB of music and only a 6GB player :( |
| 18:29:29 | kugel | doh |
| 18:29:32 | LambdaCalculus37 | wpyh: Here? |
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| 18:31:02 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: I guess a mail to the mailing list would be the best way to get opinions from the other devs |
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| 18:31:19 | uep | How do I get the h10 to go back into UMS mode? I can get it to load the old firmware, but how do I get it back to UMS? |
| 18:31:36 | LambdaCalculus37 | uep: The technique is in the manual. |
| 18:32:05 | uep | Alright, looking... |
| 18:34:45 | uep | I actually read this already (because I used it to install rockbox like an hour ago), but for some reason I apparently missed the note. |
| 18:35:15 | basquiat | hi there! I just installed rockbox on my sandisk e280, and encounter some strange noise isse: not that I hear a few ticks when my sansa is "thinking", I just *only* hear distorted heavy and loud ticks and pops, but no music at all. is there a known issue, or maybe something I overlooked? |
| 18:37:08 | saratoga | what file type? |
| 18:37:49 | LambdaCalculus37 | wpyh: Committed meizu_dfu.c with the new, shiny Rockbox header. |
| 18:38:28 | wpyh | LambdaCalculus37: thanks :D |
| 18:39:00 | wpyh | is there documentation on how the menus (main menu, settings menu, etc) are created? |
| 18:39:21 | wpyh | I've looked at the files in apps/menus/ but they look all jumbled up |
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| 18:40:00 | saratoga | did you mean to change the USB_PID? |
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| 18:42:39 | kugel | wpyh: the main list code is in apps/gui/list.c and apps/gui/bitmap/list.c |
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| 18:43:20 | JdGordon|zzz | wpyh: there is a bit in the wiki |
| 18:43:27 | kugel | the latter is more drawing. |
| 18:43:29 | JdGordon|zzz | look for menu api in the docs index |
| 18:43:52 | WillHauck | Do you know any rockbox branches? |
| 18:44:02 | kugel | wpyh: and in apps/menu.c you can find useful stuff too |
| 18:44:30 | wpyh | kugel, JdGordon: thanks |
| 18:44:35 | kugel | JdGordon|zzz: if you have time (after sleeping) you can look at my updated pictureflow patch |
| 18:44:47 | Bawitdaba | is there an easy way to wipe the rockbox database so i can rebuild a new one |
| 18:45:00 | Bawitdaba | i just deleted a ton of songs |
| 18:45:04 | WillHauck | What does your picflow branch do? |
| 18:45:14 | kugel | Bawitdaba: "rm .rockbox/*.tcd" |
| 18:45:22 | WillHauck | I want it so it can start playback - just like an ipod |
| 18:45:30 | Bawitdaba | like on the player itself? |
| 18:45:35 | Bawitdaba | i guess i can connect it |
| 18:45:54 | kugel | you can delete the *.tcd files manually on the player yes |
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| 18:46:24 | kugel | WillHauck: That's what everyone wants. No my patch doesn't implement that |
| 18:47:18 | wpyh | hm... actually I was trying to edit the menus that are already there (move the menus around) |
| 18:47:35 | WillHauck | There must be some way. What does your branch do? |
| 18:47:35 | kugel | wpyh: tell me more, I'm sure I can help you |
| 18:47:39 | wpyh | :) |
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| 18:47:57 | mab1376 | hello |
| 18:48:00 | kugel | WillHauck: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8335 |
| 18:48:09 | wpyh | I think the settings menu is too messy, and I want to move menu items and settings around |
| 18:48:11 | WillHauck | Thanx |
| 18:48:28 | mab1376 | i have a couple of questions about installing on a Toshiba Gigabeat. |
| 18:48:45 | kugel | wpyh: the settings menues are mainly in apps/menus |
| 18:49:00 | wpyh | for example, under the sound settings, I would like to have Volume, Bass, Treble, Equalizer, and "Advanced Sound Settings" |
| 18:49:37 | wpyh | then put the Balance, Channel Configuration, Stereo Width, Crossfeed and Dithering into "Advanced Sound Settings" |
| 18:49:52 | mab1376 | i just bought a gigabeat with no OS, will i be able to install Rockbox? it is an F40. |
| 18:49:52 | wpyh | kugel: ok, I will look again in apps/menus/ then :) |
| 18:50:13 | kugel | there's the sound_settings.c file which you would be looking for |
| 18:50:23 | Dementio | mab1376, from my understanding, yes |
| 18:50:50 | kugel | wpyh: the macros and functions all come from apps/menu.c/h |
| 18:51:02 | mab1376 | do you know if there is any special procedures, or would regular guidlines in the manual work? |
| 18:51:19 | wpyh | ok |
| 18:51:31 | Dementio | i'd recommend using the installer if you're new, but yeah, same guidelines |
| 18:51:56 | mab1376 | ok, sounds good, thanks! |
| 18:52:19 | Dementio | np |
| 18:52:25 | * | LambdaCalculus37 nearly overlooked the PID values in meizu_dfu.c after he committed |
| 18:52:36 | LambdaCalculus37 | I left them as the PID value for the 2nd gen nano. :P |
| 18:52:38 | mab1376 | oh, does the installer work under Linux? or just windows. i plan on using Rythmbox as my media manager. |
| 18:52:54 | LambdaCalculus37 | There's a version of Rockbox Utility for Linux. |
| 18:53:10 | Dementio | so, anyone know yet how to get the ipod video with an a-data speedy to work with rockbox 3.0? |
| 18:53:26 | Dementio | i'm at my wit's end about it |
| 18:53:36 | mab1376 | does it have any special dependencies to install it? |
| 18:53:39 | kugel | wpyh: take the crossfeed submenu as an example on how to create submenues generally |
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| 18:55:44 | wpyh | kugel: ok, I'll take note of that :) |
| 18:55:53 | Dementio | how do i save the bootloader currently being used on my ipod? |
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| 18:58:41 | Dementio | ipodpatcher only shows options for reading partition, firmware, and aupd |
| 18:58:47 | Dementio | nothing for bootloader |
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| 19:00:00 | Dementio | anyone? |
| 19:00:48 | funman | why do you want to save it ? |
| 19:00:59 | Dementio | cause my current one works |
| 19:01:15 | Dementio | the one i'm about to compile probably won't |
| 19:01:16 | funman | you will be able to restore it with normal Apple upgrades |
| 19:01:34 | funman | ah you mean your current rockbox bootloader? |
| 19:01:38 | Dementio | yeah |
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| 19:02:47 | funman | no idea, but if you build it again from stable it should work |
| 19:02:54 | Dementio | nope |
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| 19:03:02 | funman | is it broken in the release? |
| 19:03:07 | Dementio | using minicf mod |
| 19:03:36 | Dementio | the a-data speedy 32Gb doesn't work unless custom comiled |
| 19:03:46 | Dementio | *compiled |
| 19:03:56 | funman | isn't it stored on a special partition ? |
| 19:04:04 | linuxstb | Dementio: It's straightforward to backup the bootloader if you're on Linux... |
| 19:04:09 | Dementio | honestly don't know |
| 19:04:30 | Dementio | linuxstb, i use linux |
| 19:05:05 | linuxstb | Dementio: Then just "dd if=/dev/sdX1 of=backup.bin" will work. Do the reverse to restore it. |
| 19:05:13 | linuxstb | (replacing X appropriately) |
| 19:05:15 | Dementio | sweet |
| 19:05:17 | Dementio | thanks |
| 19:05:58 | funman | no need to backup the full partition no ? |
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| 19:06:24 | linuxstb | funman: Yes. |
| 19:06:43 | linuxstb | That's the firmware partition. |
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| 19:07:17 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: I don't notice any major changes with FS #6800. |
| 19:07:36 | funman | ah ok |
| 19:08:22 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: just backlight fading |
| 19:08:27 | Dementio | linuxstb, so to restore my current bootloader, use "dd if=backup.bin of=/dev/sdd1"? |
| 19:08:49 | linuxstb | Dementio: Assuming /dev/sdd is your ipod, yes. |
| 19:08:53 | Dementio | yeah |
| 19:10:10 | Dementio | just double chaecking, 3.0+ is in svn right? |
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| 19:11:37 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: New patch is up. |
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| 19:12:16 | LambdaCalculus37 | I want to let the other devs see it and give it a whirl before it goes into SVN. |
| 19:12:37 | saratoga | Dementio: 3.0 is r18392 with some bug fixes |
| 19:13:07 | Dementio | k |
| 19:14:27 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: Just to be sure, you've noticed the backlight fading? (You said you didn't notice major changes) |
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| 19:15:28 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: Maybe it's my myopic eyes deceiving me, but I didn't really notice it. That's why I want the opinions of other devs first. |
| 19:15:29 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: Hmm, I can't find the config-c200.h hunk :S |
| 19:15:33 | Dementio | ok, current build (r18656-080927) still gives ATA error: -1 |
| 19:15:35 | Dementio | :/ |
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| 19:15:41 | kugel | Again, are you sure you defined it? |
| 19:16:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | I did. |
| 19:16:21 | kugel | it's not in the patch file though |
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| 19:16:30 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: Oops. |
| 19:16:37 | LambdaCalculus37 | Forgot to include it. |
| 19:16:46 | Dementio | i'll be happy when i actually figure this out |
| 19:16:46 | Dementio | stupid flash card |
| 19:16:46 | kugel | and if you did svn diff, it's not in your tree either |
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| 19:18:13 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: Hang on, I'm going to make another patch for that. |
| 19:18:40 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: again, my aim was to activate backlight fading on c200, not just seeing a working build |
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| 19:19:44 | kugel | I can't imagine that the patch does NOT work on c200 with defining HAVE_BACKLIGHT_THREAD_FADING in config-c200.h |
| 19:20:43 | woodensoul | does anyone use a microSDHC card with their c200 or e200? I'm curious if the flash reading sound is still present when listening to music on the card. |
| 19:21:05 | kugel | got to go now, gonna read logs |
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| 19:22:05 | Dementio | can anyone help me out with an ata error: -1? |
| 19:22:23 | Dementio | i have no idea how to use the debug log |
| 19:22:32 | Dementio | or rather, what to do with the info |
| 19:24:24 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: (for the logs) New version of the patch is up with the change applied to firmware/export/config_c200.h as well. |
| 19:24:32 | LambdaCalculus37 | No build errors. |
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| 19:30:01 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: (also for the logs) My myopic eyes do not deceive me. Backlight fading is working. |
| 19:32:28 | Dementio | can anyone tell me what "DEV_RS = 0x3ffffef8;" actually does? |
| 19:33:48 | Dementio | i use to be able to just comment that line out and it would boot fine, but that no longer works |
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| 19:49:48 | lasser | woodensoul, right now I'm listening some music from a 8GB sdhc card on my e280. cant notice any difference. |
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| 19:52:03 | woodensoul | so you hear the same noises that you hear when using the built in memory? |
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| 19:58:01 | lasser | yes, I think so. |
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| 20:04:32 | uep | Could someone point me to a page on how to build RockBox from source (not the bootloader)? |
| 20:05:40 | uep | Nevermind, found them. |
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| 20:29:13 | Dementio | :/ |
| 20:29:39 | Dementio | some change in the last 5 days makes it so i can't get rockbox to work |
| 20:31:49 | Bawitdaba | when you build a database on rockbox it only does supported songs right like im not sure if its indexing the same m3u and mp3 files twice |
| 20:32:12 | bluebrother | the database indexes files, not playlists. |
| 20:32:26 | Bawitdaba | ah ok |
| 20:32:34 | Bawitdaba | which files tho songs just songs |
| 20:32:43 | Bawitdaba | not jpgs or movies |
| 20:32:57 | bluebrother | it indexes audio files. |
| 20:33:04 | Bawitdaba | sweet ty |
| 20:33:22 | bluebrother | Rockbox is an audio player. Not an image viewer or a movie player. There are plugins for that, but it's not part of the core |
| 20:33:24 | Dementio | mine doesn't index flac |
| 20:33:32 | Dementio | is it suppose to? |
| 20:33:36 | bluebrother | does it play the flac files? |
| 20:33:50 | Dementio | it does if i choose it in the file browser |
| 20:34:13 | bluebrother | then it should be able indexing them. I assume the metadata for those files is correct? |
| 20:34:16 | Dementio | and i have cue sheet support turned on |
| 20:34:51 | bluebrother | what has cuesheet to do with the database? |
| 20:35:20 | Dementio | the flac file is the whole cd, the cue sheet tells it where in the file the songs are |
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| 20:36:56 | bluebrother | well, then it won't work. The *file* needs to have the metadata. |
| 20:37:01 | linuxstb | Dementio: I don't believe the database recognises cuesheets, it will just add the whole file to the index. |
| 20:37:08 | * | bluebrother never understood the use for cue sheets anyway |
| 20:37:23 | Dementio | it doesn't do either |
| 20:37:44 | linuxstb | Dementio: That's probably because the file doesn't have any metadata (apart from the cue) |
| 20:37:55 | Dementio | ah |
| 20:37:58 | linuxstb | So it will appear under "<Untagged>" somewhere |
| 20:38:29 | Dementio | i'll check that out later |
| 20:38:50 | Dementio | trying to find out when rockbox stops working |
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| 20:38:54 | blkhawk | lo |
| 20:38:56 | linuxstb | Also, Rockbox doesn't support embedded cuesheets - just external .cue files. |
| 20:39:40 | Dementio | as in a .cue file? |
| 20:39:53 | linuxstb | Yes |
| 20:39:55 | Dementio | that's what i use |
| 20:40:11 | Dementio | i can view tha cue sheet, but that's it |
| 20:40:30 | bluebrother | you need to play the file, not the cue sheet |
| 20:40:34 | linuxstb | You need to enable cue support in the menus, then (I think) restart Rockbox, then when you play the .flac, Rockbox will use the .cue |
| 20:40:45 | Dementio | ah |
| 20:41:02 | bluebrother | and it won't appear as multiple tracks, but only show the metadata (and have cue-track markers) |
| 20:41:08 | Dementio | well, had support enabled, and restarted, but was trying to play via the cue sheet |
| 20:41:09 | Dementio | lol |
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| 20:43:05 | Dementio | at least i only have 5 days worth of svn changes to sort through |
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| 20:43:06 | Dementio | :/ |
| 20:43:52 | saratoga | Dementio: you asked about DEV_RS right? |
| 20:43:57 | Dementio | yeah |
| 20:44:59 | Dementio | i use to be able to comment out that particular line and it would work, but with the current svn, it doesn't work any more |
| 20:45:12 | Dementio | trying to find out when it stops working now |
| 20:45:30 | Dementio | compiling 080923 atm |
| 20:45:47 | saratoga | i believe Buschel worked on that in FS #8379 - power consumption issues PP502x/5G |
| 20:46:50 | Dementio | how do i look up FS#'s? |
| 20:47:01 | Dementio | nvm |
| 20:47:02 | Dementio | lol |
| 20:47:58 | uep | I'm attempting to build RockBox, but I'm not sure where to put the extra defines to enable USB support for the h10. |
| 20:48:12 | Bawitdaba | is there a way to add jpeg album art support without rebuilding core rockbox like a special plugin or something |
| 20:48:43 | saratoga | Bawitdaba: you can't do anything to the core without building the core |
| 20:48:45 | Dementio | mine support albumart without source changes |
| 20:48:53 | Dementio | just have to use external bmp's |
| 20:49:17 | uep | I'm building from the tools directory, on the PortalPlayerUsb page it says to add extra defines to the EXTRA_DEFINES variable, but I don't see it in the makefile. |
| 20:49:19 | saratoga | uep: the config-h10.h file in firmware/export |
| 20:49:26 | Bawitdaba | saratoga right i was wondering if there was a plugin or something until it becomes apart of the normal branch |
| 20:49:41 | saratoga | uep: or the makefile should work too |
| 20:49:51 | uep | thanks! |
| 20:50:20 | bluebrother | uep: the other variant is to edit the makefile. And you want to run configure from outside the tools folder. |
| 20:50:35 | linuxstb | Bawitdaba: No, it's not technically possible, and no-one has worked on jpeg album art support, not even "unofficially" |
| 20:50:47 | linuxstb | (not technically possible to do it via a plugin) |
| 20:51:27 | uep | Sorry about that, I just realized why I couldn't find it. |
| 20:51:32 | uep | Man, I am asleep at the wheel today. |
| 20:51:55 | uep | I *did* run configure from my build folder, but I was in the tools folder to build the cross-compiler. |
| 20:52:07 | uep | My thanks to both of you. |
| 20:55:10 | uep | From what I've read of the PortalPlayer USB support page, I should have no problems with USB support on my h10 20gb, right? |
| 20:55:17 | uep | Since the 20gb has a mechanical drive. |
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| 20:56:17 | bluebrother | from my understanding the issue is the flash on the e200 attached via an SD interface. I use the USB support myself on a mini 2G with CF mod. |
| 20:56:33 | bluebrother | I haven't had issues but I also haven't checked the files. |
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| 21:03:25 | Dementio | how do i check out an svn revision #? |
| 21:03:50 | Dementio | r18563M works, but r18656M doesn't |
| 21:03:57 | Dementio | trying to narrow it down |
| 21:04:47 | funky | what's the default font in the default theme of rockbox 3? |
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| 21:05:06 | linuxstb | That depends on your device. |
| 21:05:17 | funky | aha, it's an ipod video |
| 21:05:48 | bluebrother | Dementio: svn co -r 12345 / svn up -r 12345 |
| 21:05:59 | linuxstb | funky: Then "15-Adobe-Helvetica" |
| 21:06:06 | Dementio | thanky |
| 21:06:28 | funky | linuxstb: thank you, but... how did you know it ? |
| 21:06:45 | funky | I was pretty sure it was adobe helvetica, but not sure about the size |
| 21:06:51 | linuxstb | I looked in apps/settings_list.h but you could also find it in the .cfg file for the theme |
| 21:07:13 | linuxstb | I meant settings_list.c |
| 21:07:59 | funky | there is no 15-adobe-helvetica, 16 and 14 |
| 21:08:34 | funky | I think it was 13 |
| 21:09:11 | funky | I mean 12 |
| 21:10:01 | Dementio | omfg |
| 21:10:07 | Dementio | i'm a friggin dumbass |
| 21:10:22 | linuxstb | funky: What's listed in the cabbiev2.cfg file on your ipod? |
| 21:10:31 | Dementio | i've been editing for an iriver h10 this entire time |
| 21:10:32 | Dementio | lol |
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| 21:11:04 | funky | linuxstb: it hasn't been modified after changing the font? |
| 21:11:20 | linuxstb | funky: No. Changes are saved to .rockbox/config.cfg |
| 21:11:26 | funky | oh, ok |
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| 21:12:38 | Dementio | let's try the current svn again after editing for the right target |
| 21:12:39 | Dementio | :/ |
| 21:12:47 | rebemo | Hello guys! I have now connected my iPod Nano 1st gen, and downloaded the rockbox-ipodnano-3.0.zip. WTF should i do now..? And sorry for the dumb question, i just can't get it.. |
| 21:13:30 | rebemo | And yes, i have read the manual... like a million times |
| 21:13:50 | funky | font: /.rockbox/fonts/15-Adobe-Helvetica.fnt |
| 21:14:09 | funky | yep, it says the you that you pointed, but actually that font does not exist |
| 21:14:26 | funky | so somehow it uses 12 |
| 21:15:31 | bluebrother | rebemo: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/RockboxUtility is most likely easier ... |
| 21:15:43 | bluebrother | besides, we have a really nice manual |
| 21:16:42 | Dementio | rebemo, linux, mac, or windows? |
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| 21:18:21 | uep | harrumph. The USB isn't working for me. I tried building it with high-speed, and then full-speed. |
| 21:18:24 | uep | Nada on either. |
| 21:18:33 | rebemo | Dementio: Windowsa |
| 21:18:37 | rebemo | Windows* |
| 21:19:00 | bluebrother | Rockbox Utility is available for linux, max, and windows :P |
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| 21:19:11 | Dementio | damn |
| 21:19:14 | Dementio | beat me to it |
| 21:19:31 | Dementio | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/RockboxUtility |
| 21:19:50 | saratoga | or just read the installation instructions in the manual |
| 21:20:22 | * | bluebrother wonders what's different to the link he already posted a couple of minutes ago |
| 21:21:15 | rebemo | Ok.. thanks.. I think i'll try the manual installation a couple times more.. |
| 21:21:15 | Dementio | bluebrother, nothing, but didn't see the one earlier |
| 21:21:17 | Dementio | :/ |
| 21:21:18 | bluebrother | uep: have you edited the correct config file? There are two variangs for h10 |
| 21:21:41 | bluebrother | rebemo: the recommended install is using Rockbox Utility ;-) |
| 21:22:01 | uep | I only edited the general Makefile. |
| 21:23:23 | bluebrother | which general Makefile? You either edit the Makefile created by the configure run or edit firmware/export/config-<player>.h |
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| 21:23:34 | rebemo | bluebrother: screw the recommandations, i got time |
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| 21:23:47 | uep | I edited the Makefile created by configure in my build directory. |
| 21:24:11 | Dementio | anyway, i can verify that making a few minor changes makes rockbox work with the A-Data speedy 32Gb on ipod videos |
| 21:24:13 | uep | I have a usb.o file in my firmware directory also. Are there certain symbols I can use readelf to look for? |
| 21:24:31 | Dementio | at least if you make the changes in the right place |
| 21:25:15 | uep | Maybe I just don't know how the usb is supposed to work. On the feature list, it looked like I should be able to plug it into usb without shutting it down. |
| 21:25:19 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 21:25:35 | bluebrother | rebemo: well, in that case it should simply work. I edited config-ipodmini2g.h in my case though |
| 21:26:06 | bluebrother | well, it shouldn't reboot anymore but show a usb connected screen. And of course appear on the PC |
| 21:26:22 | saratoga | you'll get a usb.o even if you don't have the stack enabled |
| 21:27:19 | uep | saratoga: is there a symbol I can look for in there? |
| 21:27:30 | uep | Using readelf? |
| 21:27:51 | saratoga | you could probably find one in usb.c |
| 21:27:54 | uep | Or some other way to detect if it really wokred? |
| 21:28:08 | saratoga | but it sounds like you just didn't enable the stack if you're not getting USB |
| 21:28:33 | funman | check the size of the .o |
| 21:29:13 | uep | Looking in usb.c, should I define "USB_STORAGE" also? |
| 21:30:01 | uep | usb.o = 5.4k |
| 21:32:18 | Dementio | ot, but anyone know a really good tag editor for linux? |
| 21:32:38 | funman | easytag / picard |
| 21:32:48 | funman | not to mention eyeD3 |
| 21:33:02 | Dementio | been using easytag, but it likes to make it's own changes aparently |
| 21:33:17 | funman | vlc :) |
| 21:35:19 | funman | I asked on #gcc but it looks idle: is there a way to force gcc to put _start() or another function in the very first bytes of the generated machine code ? |
| 21:35:46 | uep | funman: The linker script? |
| 21:36:04 | funman | oh |
| 21:36:12 | funman | the ugly .lds files ? |
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| 21:36:23 | uep | Yes. |
| 21:36:27 | funman | thanks |
| 21:36:33 | funman | I'll learn the syntax |
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| 21:36:46 | uep | If you know where the device boots from, it's not that bad. |
| 21:36:51 | basquiat | hi there, allow to ask me again: I just installed rockbox on my sandisk e280, and encounter some strange noise issue - not that I hear the few wellknown ticks when my sansa is "thinking", it's I just *only* hear distorted heavy and loud ticks and pops, but no music at all. is there a known issue, or maybe something I overlooked? |
| 21:37:11 | funman | uep: for the sansav2 we use weird techniques |
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| 21:37:32 | funman | basquiat: for all codecs? |
| 21:39:06 | basquiat | funman: just for mp3 atm, as I haven't copied my flacs (my mainreason for using rockbox) yet. |
| 21:39:50 | funman | try them, maybe it's only a mp3 bug |
| 21:39:51 | basquiat | the thing is that it used to play half a song, and suddendly went into only playing distorted noise. |
| 21:40:04 | funman | it's worth mentioning it :) |
| 21:40:37 | Llorean | basquiat: Have you tried playing the files on your device from your PC? Perhaps the filesystem is suffering some corruption? |
| 21:40:56 | basquiat | Llorean: nope, good idea, will try. |
| 21:41:33 | funman | I expected -e _start would do, but no |
| 21:41:53 | funman | maybe it defines it as the entry point in the elf header, but once the header removed, the first instruction is not the first instruction of _start |
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| 21:45:20 | rebemo | "Take the .zip file that you downloaded and use the “Extract all” command of your unzip program to extract the files onto your player. " is the part i don't understand, "onto your player", where is the "player" exactly? does it mean the player (nano 1st gen) folder? |
| 21:45:40 | funman | yes |
| 21:45:44 | Nevtus | the root directory of your ipod |
| 21:45:47 | rebemo | and thats it? |
| 21:45:55 | funman | and that's it |
| 21:45:58 | uep | I found a great linker script tutorial online, I'm looking for it now. |
| 21:46:01 | rebemo | oh.. |
| 21:46:10 | rebemo | well.. ok :D |
| 21:46:17 | Nevtus | it's the first thing you see when you open your ipod "folder" |
| 21:46:43 | rebemo | whivh in this case is named K: |
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| 21:46:59 | rebemo | K:\ |
| 21:47:42 | rebemo | oh fuck i should really start to think what i write... |
| 21:47:51 | Nevtus | you should see folders like "Calendars", "Contacts" in it |
| 21:48:12 | rebemo | Nevetus: I can see them, i guess im in the right place, finally.. |
| 21:48:18 | Nevtus | yeah |
| 21:48:18 | rebemo | AGAIN |
| 21:48:28 | rebemo | "Nev_e_tus" |
| 21:48:29 | uep | How does rockbox convert the elf into a binary? |
| 21:48:31 | Nevtus | throw the entire .rockbox in there |
| 21:48:40 | rebemo | ok, thanks :] |
| 21:48:49 | funman | uep: objcopy -O binary |
| 21:49:51 | funman | uep: I think a very basic script will be enough for my needs |
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| 21:51:35 | funman | well I'm not sure, I need to reorder stuff in the 'text' segment |
| 21:52:19 | uep | You want to put one object file as the first executable code, right? |
| 21:52:46 | funman | -freorder-functions < looks good |
| 21:52:47 | uep | I'm pretty sure you can do something like *(mystart.o) at the right address. |
| 21:52:56 | funman | no, I only have one object file |
| 21:53:07 | funman | but gcc reorders the functions of the .c file |
| 21:53:08 | uep | Oh, I see. |
| 21:54:07 | funman | hm no .. |
| 21:55:15 | funman | ah it maybe -Os fault ... |
| 21:55:38 | rebemo | Nevtus: now do i extract even the font-pack to the root of the player, like i just did? |
| 21:56:15 | funman | right, it's Os |
| 21:56:20 | Nevtus | yeah, extract it to the same place and it _should_ merge the folders |
| 21:57:14 | * | bluebrother really wonders why rebemo isn't using Rockbox Utility ... |
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| 21:57:25 | rebemo | cuz im a poser |
| 21:58:11 | rebemo | I always want to do everything like i knew something about it... even i don't :D |
| 21:58:17 | Nevtus | :\ |
| 21:58:28 | uep | funman: Are you sure you don't have to modify the linker script file? |
| 21:58:28 | * | bluebrother throws a manual at rebemo |
| 21:58:40 | rebemo | Thanks man :] |
| 21:58:41 | funman | uep: s/modify the/create one/ |
| 21:58:53 | rebemo | going to read all this stuff−−> |
| 21:58:58 | uep | Why do you need a new one? |
| 21:59:04 | funman | I'm not using any |
| 21:59:19 | uep | This is just for a normal app? |
| 21:59:22 | * | LambdaCalculus37 throws Rockbox Utility at rebemo: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility |
| 21:59:42 | funman | uep: not really, this is for sansav2 |
| 21:59:54 | funman | we have to insert our code in a precise, small, location of the original firmware file |
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| 22:00:06 | funman | we are not using any of the rockbox code (yet) |
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| 22:00:25 | uep | I'm actually not very familiar with rockbox at all heh, I just installed it today. |
| 22:00:37 | funman | I never installed it :p |
| 22:00:44 | uep | I was assuming this was something with a pre-existing bootloader. |
| 22:01:03 | funman | in fact we are trying to get a working bootloader |
| 22:01:35 | funman | we can execute some code, but the room is too small, so we are looking to write a driver for the nand chip, and load a bigger firmware from it |
| 22:02:04 | funman | we have ~1kB available on this target |
| 22:02:10 | uep | ouch. |
| 22:02:18 | funman | nand access would mean (nearly) unlimited size |
| 22:02:34 | rebemo | oh gosh... so WHAT do i have to write to the ipodpatcher...? "i" and then just press enter..? |
| 22:03:00 | bluebrother | rebemo: please read the instructions. It isn't really helpful to read them to you ... |
| 22:03:19 | bluebrother | installation isn't really complicated, and we even have a nice graphical installer. |
| 22:03:24 | uep | funman: How much memory does the device have? |
| 22:03:41 | BigBambi | rebemo: Just use sodding rbutil |
| 22:03:45 | funman | 320kB of ram |
| 22:03:54 | rebemo | oh, well... it worked |
| 22:04:06 | funman | that will be the next barrier |
| 22:04:09 | BigBambi | If you refuse to use the recommended install methods then you can't expect much help |
| 22:05:40 | bluebrother | BigBambi: rbutil is nice, not sobbing ;-) |
| 22:05:57 | BigBambi | sodding is quite different to sobbing :) |
| 22:06:27 | BigBambi | But yes, rbutil is lovely :) |
| 22:07:55 | rebemo | Omfg, i unplugged the ipod after doing all the stuff, i saw the rockbox theme and everything, i shut the pod down, turned it on again and BANG the theme is gone? it's back in classic?? |
| 22:08:35 | * | bluebrother notices his type :o |
| 22:08:42 | Dementio | what's the way flac's should be tagged? just artist and album? |
| 22:09:20 | BigBambi | Dementio: You are free to use other fields if you wish, but that isn't really on-topic |
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| 22:09:57 | Dementio | well, earlier i was told that the metdata needed to be there for flac's to be read in rockbox |
| 22:10:09 | BigBambi | Only if you want to use tags |
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| 22:10:29 | BigBambi | untagged flacs will work justr fine, but you obviously won't see the info |
| 22:10:37 | Dementio | well, currently, it won't even show up in my dayabase |
| 22:10:45 | Dementio | *database |
| 22:10:47 | BigBambi | Right, because they aren't tagged |
| 22:10:54 | BigBambi | But Rockbox will still play them fine |
| 22:11:37 | BigBambi | Anyway, Rockbox supports the standard tags for flac (vorbis comments) |
| 22:11:52 | BigBambi | Which includes but is not limited to artist, album, track, ...... |
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| 22:13:46 | funman | album art (unofficial) |
| 22:14:21 | Bagder | http://www.enduserblog.com/2008/09/easiest-hack-ev.html |
| 22:15:01 | BigBambi | Bagder: So the truth is out! I always thought Rockbox must have been an easy hack that you all just pretend is hard work :P |
| 22:16:00 | Bagder | yeah... their choice of title is a bit weird as the body mentions the easiness of the install |
| 22:16:20 | BigBambi | The amount of publicity has been incredible |
| 22:16:47 | Bagder | indeed |
| 22:18:29 | funman | i think it's deserved |
| 22:18:42 | bluebrother | well, that's quite a nice article, especially as it's quite accurate |
| 22:19:54 | dr_kludge | i just used the rb util to update my archos recorder 20, |
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| 22:20:07 | dr_kludge | but i still see the v2.5 splashscreen and v2.5 is |
| 22:20:14 | dr_kludge | displayed in info −−> version. |
| 22:20:25 | dr_kludge | anyone know what gives? |
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| 22:22:23 | dr_kludge | (sorry, trying to upgrade to v3.0) |
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| 22:25:50 | uep | Off topic, but what do the developers here tend to develop in? |
| 22:26:10 | dr_kludge | i've just tried a manual update as well... |
| 22:26:13 | dr_kludge | same results. |
| 22:27:00 | saratoga | uep: textpad, notepad++, VI, emacs, scite, etc |
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| 22:27:11 | Dementio | vi ftw |
| 22:27:25 | funman | vim |
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| 22:27:56 | funman | vi is quite old :) |
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| 22:28:41 | Deaner | does anyone know what gen this actually is: http://store.apple.com/us/product/FB147LL/A |
| 22:28:48 | Dementio | :P |
| 22:28:50 | Deaner | I called apple and they couldn're really tell me |
| 22:29:07 | Nico_P | classic is 6th gen |
| 22:29:16 | Deaner | ah, bummer :( |
| 22:30:52 | bluebrother | funman: vim is still maintained and improved :) |
| 22:31:02 | funman | sure but not vi |
| 22:31:05 | dr_kludge | hmmmm... so, wiped the player clean, installed rockbox-recorder-3.0-zip, |
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| 22:31:10 | dr_kludge | and i still get ver 2.5. |
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| 22:31:29 | Bagder | dr_kludge: you probably have 2.5 in flash and just put 3.0 on disk |
| 22:31:39 | * | Bagder aways again |
| 22:31:40 | Nico_P | any opinions on the feasibility of http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14871.msg135477#msg135477 (distributed ipod fw bruteforcing effort) |
| 22:31:54 | imthedan | i know you guys get tired of hearing these type of questions, but can someone give me a little information about "rockbox" −− I just bought an mp3 player and it said it was "Rockbox ready".. just curious what it is. |
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| 22:32:14 | saratoga | Nico_P: what exactly were they planning to brute force? |
| 22:32:16 | Nico_P | imthedan: you can read http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox |
| 22:32:31 | Nico_P | saratoga: I don't think they even know |
| 22:33:01 | dr_kludge | badger: i haven't seen anything about this difference... how do i complete the install? |
| 22:33:11 | imthedan | thanks nico_p |
| 22:36:30 | Nico_P | dr_kludge: you need to boot from disk and maybe reflash |
| 22:36:37 | BigBambi | Nico_P: The link is amusing |
| 22:37:02 | dr_kludge | you mean reboot the archos? i've done that repeatedly, unless i'm missing something that i can't find documented. |
| 22:37:03 | BigBambi | They have spent four pages talking about the name, how to reward people, and asking their school netadmins to help |
| 22:37:30 | Nico_P | BigBambi: the idea might actually be of value but they clearly lack clues IMHO |
| 22:38:18 | BigBambi | potentially, but they won't achieve anything |
| 22:38:32 | saratoga | i don't think brute forcing encryption is going to work out all that well unless apple is really dumb |
| 22:38:38 | Nico_P | dr_kludge: I don't know the specifics, but there probably is a key to press to boot from the disk instead of from the flash mem |
| 22:38:47 | saratoga | and if they are that dumb, theres probably an easier way |
| 22:39:07 | Nico_P | saratoga: why? |
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| 22:39:40 | * | Nico_P is probabmy almost as clueless as the guys planning this |
| 22:39:45 | saratoga | because the search space for even crappy encryption tends to be unimaginably enormous |
| 22:39:52 | Llorean | Nico_P: the whole point of modern encryption is to take a truly ridiculous number of computer-hours to brute force. |
| 22:41:48 | bluebrother | dr_kludge: you might need to rolo the new firmware by clicking on it |
| 22:42:02 | dr_kludge | yeah, just did that, and it loads it. |
| 22:42:03 | saratoga | its pretty easy to have a search space with more keys then protons in the universe |
| 22:42:12 | dr_kludge | but if reboot, i get 2.5 again. |
| 22:42:46 | funman | Nico_P: do you know about distributed.net ? |
| 22:43:31 | Nico_P | funman: no, I didn't know about it |
| 22:44:18 | funman | it took a lot of time and a lot of computers to crack a weak encryption |
| 22:45:04 | funman | 1757 days for 64 bits RC5 |
| 22:45:24 | Dementio | i remember that |
| 22:45:25 | Dementio | lol |
| 22:45:32 | bluebrother | dr_kludge: well, then you have 2.5 in flash, as Bagder said |
| 22:45:41 | saratoga | if you wanted to crack the encryption, it'd probably be easiest to use a logic analysier or similar to dump some of the decrypted code out of DRAM, and then work backwards to the key |
| 22:45:42 | Nico_P | do we have any idea of what kind of encryption Apple uses? |
| 22:45:58 | dr_kludge | sure, i understand that. how do i kick 2.5 out and invite 3.0 in? |
| 22:46:00 | bluebrother | which means you need to rolo 3.0 and then flash it. I think there's a wiki page how to do that. |
| 22:46:02 | saratoga | people say RC4 I think, but I don't know where that comes from |
| 22:46:13 | dr_kludge | mmmk. i'll look again. |
| 22:46:20 | linuxstb | Nico_P: I don't think anyone knows for sure, which is another reason brute-forcing is a non-starter... |
| 22:46:31 | bluebrother | no archos experience on my side |
| 22:47:37 | * | dr_kludge grimaces at irony: i have the rockbox o.g. d.a.p., and that leaves me behind the support curv :b |
| 22:47:52 | imthedan | is there a good place to find games for a sansa e270? |
| 22:48:07 | bluebrother | imthedan: all games are shipped. |
| 22:48:21 | linuxstb | saratoga: I think that's just misinformation from the linux4nano.org site that's been spread widely. That site states that, but gives no justification for it. It's what Apple used for the "aupd" image encryption on earlier ipods though. |
| 22:48:21 | funman | saratoga: http://home.gna.org/linux4nano/index.html |
| 22:48:34 | Llorean | For reference, they've been working on the RC5 key for over 2000 days and have accomplished 0.5% of the total work. |
| 22:48:37 | funman | linuxstb: +1 |
| 22:48:40 | Llorean | RC5 72-bit key, rather |
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| 22:49:07 | funman | well they can expect 256*1757 days if they have the same luck :) |
| 22:49:13 | Llorean | And that's probably with an awful lot more people one can hope having work on firmware decrypting. |
| 22:49:18 | imthedan | bluebrother: shipped? I mean, games that go on the mp3 player after installing rockbox |
| 22:49:43 | funman | might be faster to learn crypto analysis for a lower keyspace |
| 22:49:59 | bluebrother | imthedan: there are none |
| 22:50:04 | Llorean | imthedan: Rockbox comes with all the games we provide, and there aren't really third-party plugins. |
| 22:50:15 | Llorean | funman: "might" be? :-P |
| 22:50:23 | bluebrother | why do you need extra games from us anyway? If we have some, why shouldn't we ship them in the first place? |
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| 22:50:40 | imthedan | oh so when I install rockbox, it'll come with games? |
| 22:50:43 | Llorean | Yes. |
| 22:50:45 | bluebrother | even if there were 3rd party games we wouldn't support them. |
| 22:50:52 | imthedan | sorry man... i just found out about rockbox 10 mins ago |
| 22:50:52 | * | bluebrother gets annoyed |
| 22:50:58 | imthedan | just reading through the FAQ. |
| 22:51:05 | imthedan | ok ok.. calm down fireball. |
| 22:51:10 | imthedan | i was just asking |
| 22:51:11 | Nico_P | what about the iphone/ipod touch firmwares? |
| 22:51:17 | bluebrother | imthedan: and why can't you read the documentation first? |
| 22:51:23 | imthedan | didnt even know i could play game with my mp3 player |
| 22:51:24 | bluebrother | it's really annoying to answer such questions again and again just because people don't read first. |
| 22:51:52 | * | bluebrother thinks there is too much noise in this channel these days :( |
| 22:52:25 | Nico_P | bluebrother: it's a side effect of the release, we should get used to it |
| 22:52:26 | Llorean | imthedan: You might want to read the manual before coming in with questions. I'm pretty sure the channel guidelines specifically mention doing this. |
| 22:52:34 | BigBambi | bluebrother: Some more is to be expected just after all the release publicity |
| 22:53:06 | imthedan | "I've modified it and tested for the Sansa e200 using the uisimulator software." −− Does that support for all e200 series including my e270? |
| 22:53:16 | imthedan | because i don't see a category for the e270 |
| 22:53:50 | linuxstb | Yes "e200" is how we describe all the e2x0 players |
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| 22:54:45 | rebemo | Settings → General Settings → Display // i got no "Browse fonts","Background Colour or Foreground Colour" in that location, why is that? |
| 22:55:00 | funman | rebemo: waw, how do you type that right arrow ? |
| 22:55:03 | blade_ | allo |
| 22:55:09 | blade_ | i guetting "ROCKBOXDEV: patch is required for this script to work." with |
| 22:55:13 | blade_ | ./rockboxdev |
| 22:55:22 | blade_ | using ubuntu 8.04 |
| 22:55:26 | Llorean | blade_: Do you have patch installed? |
| 22:55:33 | saratoga | we should split the dev and support stuff into seperate channels! |
| 22:55:47 | funman | blade_: sudo apt-get install build-essential |
| 22:55:48 | Llorean | rebemo: Browse Fonts is under theme settings, I thought. |
| 22:55:50 | rebemo | funman i pasted it from the manual |
| 22:55:59 | funman | ok |
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| 22:56:10 | * | linuxstb far prefers a little non-dev noise in this channel than dev-talk in -community |
| 22:56:13 | blade_ | Llorean: wich patch ? and how do i install them |
| 22:56:15 | blade_ | ? |
| 22:56:24 | gevaerts | saratoga: no devs will be in the support channel then. Support will suffer a lot, and we will miss bug reports coming out of support issues |
| 22:56:25 | linuxstb | blade_: "patch" is the name of a command. |
| 22:56:35 | rebemo | Llorean: Thanks! the manual told it differently |
| 22:56:41 | saratoga | gevaerts: I doubt that |
| 22:56:45 | Llorean | rebemo: Which manual? |
| 22:56:51 | blade_ | linuxstb: i justhave to type patch ? |
| 22:56:59 | dr_kludge | hmmm. |
| 22:57:01 | funman | blade_: use the command i gave you |
| 22:57:01 | Llorean | blade_: Except you don't seem to have it installed. |
| 22:57:04 | saratoga | theres people skimming the forums at all hours of the night answering stuff, so I think there would be people in both channels |
| 22:57:05 | rebemo | Llorean: this one http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodnano/rockbox-buildch11.html#x14-25400011.1.2 |
| 22:57:07 | linuxstb | saratoga: And topics often switch between dev and support, so will need constant policing... |
| 22:57:33 | dr_kludge | for anyone still interested: plugins −−> applications −−> firmware_flash |
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| 22:57:42 | saratoga | i mean theres never any dev talk in the install forums, but questions there are typically answered in well under an hour |
| 22:57:46 | linuxstb | blade_: "apt-get install patch" |
| 22:57:48 | imthedan | heh |
| 22:57:50 | * | Nico_P wonders whether http://wikee.iphwn.org/s5l8900:encryption_keys could have any relevance to our issues |
| 22:57:54 | dr_kludge | but: missing "firmware_rec.bin" |
| 22:57:56 | Llorean | rebemo: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodnano/rockbox-buildch8.html#x11-1290008 earlier in the manual has the right information. |
| 22:58:02 | imthedan | Thanks for the help guys |
| 22:58:06 | Llorean | rebemo: That section apparently didn't get updated properly. Please file a bug report |
| 22:58:23 | imthedan | Didn't mean to disturb you in your chat channel. |
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| 22:58:31 | imthedan | Plus, I am in the middle of reading through everything. Didn't think you guys would get all upset over a few questions .=x |
| 22:58:39 | linuxstb | saratoga: It's been discussed before, but lots of people think it's a bad idea (me included). Conversations never stay on-topic, and you end up needing to read both sets of logs anyway. We have the same problem with -community |
| 22:58:44 | blade_ | linuxstb: i guess "path" is included in the build-essential package |
| 22:58:44 | rebemo | Llorean: ty for the info! |
| 22:58:55 | saratoga | Nico_P: probably not, since the iphone stuff seems to have been forked off of MacOS, while the ipod stuff is from whatever that embedded OS apple bought a few years back was |
| 22:59:01 | Llorean | rebemo: Also, please use real words, as per the channel guidelines, not things like "ty" |
| 22:59:06 | gevaerts | saratoga: maybe you're right, but I think it's a lot easier to quickly look at the forums every few hours than to read irc backlog |
| 22:59:44 | blade_ | thanks guys on it |
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| 22:59:59 | BigBambi | Especially as we can delete off topic stuff from the forums, but not IRC |
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| 23:00:18 | rebemo | Llorean: okay |
| 23:00:28 | Nico_P | saratoga: do the recent ipods still use the same kind of firmware as the old ones? for some reason I thought they had started using something closer to the iphone |
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| 23:01:05 | funman | Nico_P: the difference is that you can write applications for the iphone so it need to be an OS |
| 23:01:17 | Llorean | Nico_P: They're graphically quite different, I don't know if it's been investigated deeply at all. |
| 23:01:30 | Llorean | funman: You can write apps for the iPod too, see all the games Apple released on iTunes. |
| 23:01:33 | saratoga | Nico_P: partition structure seems to be the similar in the new ipods to the old, and theres no trace of MacOS so I think they're still based on the old code |
| 23:01:33 | Nico_P | I've never used a recent ipod... |
| 23:01:53 | saratoga | i think theres even a hack that enables some of the 6G GUI stuff on the Video |
| 23:01:58 | funman | Llorean: I don't use apple stuff I didn't know that there was apps for ipod |
| 23:02:16 | Llorean | funman: Might be slightly wiser not to try to comment on the differences then. ;) |
| 23:02:18 | saratoga | presumably because they're still the same code, but compiled for different targets, probably similar to Rockbox |
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| 23:03:11 | Bawitdaba | what is the default theme for rockbox or whatever one comes with a peakmeter |
| 23:03:25 | Bawitdaba | rockboxed? |
| 23:03:31 | saratoga | the default is cabbie, it does not have a peak meter though |
| 23:04:00 | Bawitdaba | ive never seen peak meter on this and i wanted to check it out |
| 23:04:01 | bluebrother | well, if all support questions come here we need to think about a solution for the after-release-days |
| 23:04:06 | bluebrother | IMHO |
| 23:04:07 | saratoga | also, i've been meaning to ask if the front page's "Current Status" link could be changed to "click here for information about other potiential targets" |
| 23:04:12 | saratoga | so that people realize theres more info |
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| 23:04:26 | Llorean | saratoga: Maybe just "Development Status"? |
| 23:04:29 | saratoga | most people in the forums seem to have no idea that theres a second page with more info |
| 23:04:46 | Bawitdaba | lol |
| 23:04:48 | saratoga | Llorean: maybe "Future targets and development status" |
| 23:04:50 | Bawitdaba | people are active here |
| 23:05:00 | Bawitdaba | i suppose i could post on the forums and wait a day :P |
| 23:05:10 | funman | "work in progress" ? |
| 23:06:45 | Llorean | Bawitdaba: saratoga gave you info, you didn't ask further questions. |
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| 23:07:28 | saratoga | also, I wouldn't mind if the "Current status of supported targets" table behind that link were updated with a bit more specific info like USB status, battery charging, dual booting, audio playback, etc |
| 23:07:52 | saratoga | to this day i still don't know which rockbox targets can charge correctly in rockbox, which charge but slowly, and which don't charge at all |
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| 23:08:08 | Bawitdaba | i was referring to bluebrother Llorean |
| 23:08:12 | saratoga | this will become more confusing if some PP targets get USB enabled while the Sansas do not |
| 23:09:17 | gevaerts | saratoga: That would be nice, but we need to be careful with adding yet another page with duplicated info that can get out of date |
| 23:10:28 | saratoga | gevaerts: the wiki status pages are seldem up to date anyway, they should be removed and replaced with one or a few tables on a front wiki page summarizing the status of all ports |
| 23:10:41 | saratoga | then the wiki pages for each port could contain developer info, details, etc |
| 23:10:58 | * | gevaerts wants a wiki with automatic fully A.I. controlled summarizing functionality that also watches the forums, irc and svn to keep up to date |
| 23:11:03 | saratoga | a central page thats one link from the front page is 100x more likely to be kept up to date then 20 individual pages |
| 23:11:40 | funman | gevaerts: you might want to write a bot which automatically ports rockbox to new targets |
| 23:11:43 | dr_kludge | anyone know where to find/how to build 'firmware_rec.bin'? |
| 23:12:06 | gevaerts | funman: too hard for me :) |
| 23:12:23 | funman | I can help: I'll find a name for the program while you write it |
| 23:12:57 | gevaerts | saratoga: so basically remove the status tables from the port pages and put them all together on one big general status page? |
| 23:13:06 | saratoga | the amount of information that actually changes in the wiki is vanishingly small, the problem is that it is spread about hundreds and hundreds of pages making it nearly impossible to find and update |
| 23:13:14 | saratoga | gevaerts: yes |
| 23:13:24 | funman | in a table |
| 23:13:47 | saratoga | basically, expand this table: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TargetStatus#Current_status_of_supported_targ |
| 23:14:03 | gevaerts | That could work, but I'm not entirely convinced. I know I look at the port pages where I'm involved regularly, so I see the status table and I can fix it. I have no reason to look at a general status page |
| 23:14:23 | funman | when the status will be removed from the port pages you will have one |
| 23:15:10 | gevaerts | The problem is that as a porter I don't actually care about the status table because I know the status. |
| 23:15:22 | saratoga | unless you remember the address or name of the status pages, you have to go through that table anyway |
| 23:15:49 | saratoga | and anyway, my first suggestion was making it clear that the front page link to that page was worth looking at |
| 23:16:19 | saratoga | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_media_players#Audio_format_support |
| 23:16:20 | gevaerts | That suggestion is indeed an excellent one |
| 23:16:22 | saratoga | now thats a nice table |
| 23:16:45 | gevaerts | And maybe the status table would work. I'm just not sure |
| 23:17:32 | * | gevaerts also wants DeviceChart to have much more info, but he hasn't wanted that enough to actually do the work yet |
| 23:17:32 | Bawitdaba | k so i have another stupid question how do i exit a application/demo in rockbox? |
| 23:17:59 | Llorean | Bawitdaba: Depends on your player and/or the app, see the manual for details. |
| 23:18:30 | Bawitdaba | ipod 5.5g 80gb |
| 23:18:42 | Bawitdaba | i dont think there is a manual for it listed on the wiki |
| 23:18:51 | Bawitdaba | just ipod video if it falls into that |
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| 23:19:09 | gevaerts | It does |
| 23:19:21 | funman | http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
| 23:20:00 | saratoga | can the H1/300 dual boot? |
| 23:20:17 | bluebrother | saratoga: yes (assuming you're referring to h100 ;-) |
| 23:20:20 | Llorean | saratoga: Yes. |
| 23:21:00 | bluebrother | I think only the x5 / m5 can't dual-boot out of the 3.0 players |
| 23:21:29 | Llorean | Gigabeat F cannot either |
| 23:21:46 | bluebrother | oh. I thought that was only the beast. |
| 23:22:11 | saratoga | the beast can dual boot |
| 23:22:25 | * | bluebrother starts to get confused |
| 23:23:05 | saratoga | can the archos? |
| 23:23:13 | DerPapst | iirc no |
| 23:23:29 | bluebrother | afaik you can rolo the OF on archos |
| 23:23:38 | bluebrother | as there's no RB bootloader involved. |
| 23:23:40 | * | DerPapst shuts up |
| 23:23:48 | BigBambi | bluebrother: The beast will dual boot if you patch the OF with a RB bootloader, then send that as the bootloader. This is difficult as we cannot distribute the OF and it is not available from Toshiba, so legitimatly you need to stick the beast drive in a caddy to copy it off |
| 23:24:18 | * | gevaerts thinks that saratoga is right in wanting a table with all this :) |
| 23:24:55 | saratoga | do the H10s charge? |
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| 23:25:42 | dataangel | What does a data abort error mean? |
| 23:25:55 | saratoga | rockbox crashed |
| 23:25:56 | dataangel | "Data abort at 0004D52C (0)" |
| 23:26:06 | dataangel | my plugin causes it |
| 23:26:17 | dataangel | does it mean I did something inparticular, like access out of bounds memory, or ... ? |
| 23:26:33 | saratoga | also, does the wiki support [1] citations like Wikipedia does? |
| 23:26:55 | Llorean | basquiat: I'm looking, but I don't seen a question about how to install in the post you've just posted to the Installation forum. |
| 23:26:58 | bluebrother | I don't think so |
| 23:26:59 | DerPapst | dataangel: that or your pointer foo is messed up... |
| 23:27:03 | Llorean | basquiat: Did you read "POSTING IN THIS FORUM" first? |
| 23:27:04 | gevaerts | dataangel: on arm that usually means an unaligned access |
| 23:27:25 | dataangel | damn |
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| 23:27:37 | dataangel | it looks like it's giving some other errors really quick and then it dies |
| 23:27:37 | saratoga | gevaerts: heres my first shot: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TargetStatus#Current_status_of_supported_targ |
| 23:27:41 | dataangel | does it log somewhere? |
| 23:28:23 | linuxstb | dataangel: The address is useful - 4D52C. Check the ".map" file created for your plugin (in [build-dir]/apps/plugins/) |
| 23:28:36 | gevaerts | dataangel: what target are you using? |
| 23:28:50 | gevaerts | saratoga: nice |
| 23:29:11 | Nico_P | saratoga: add a few colors and it'll be fine :) |
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| 23:29:43 | saratoga | ok i'll add colors |
| 23:30:33 | DerPapst | saratoga: you can do something like <sup>[<a href="#Citation_1">1</a>]</sup> or the like. (dunno how twiki deals with links.) |
| 23:30:34 | Nico_P | maybe like in http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FeatureComparison |
| 23:31:09 | gevaerts | Ah yes, yet anothe incomplete table :( |
| 23:31:15 | Nico_P | indeed |
| 23:31:42 | Nico_P | I think it'd be unrealistic to try keeping that one up to date though |
| 23:32:02 | bluebrother | Nico_P: maybe also use icons like in BuyersGuide? |
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| 23:32:39 | gevaerts | Nico_P: indeed. That's why I'm afraid of tables in general |
| 23:32:51 | Nico_P | bluebrother: I think the table in FeatureComparison is nicer than the one in BuyersGuide |
| 23:33:36 | bluebrother | Nico_P: I agree, but adding the yes / no icons might be nice |
| 23:33:43 | basquiat | Llorean: sorry, you got me, I shot to fast. my apologies. |
| 23:34:05 | Nico_P | gevaerts: a few are ok, if they don't have too much information. IMO FeatureComparison is unmaintanable du to the amount of info and the number of ports |
| 23:34:25 | saratoga | ok added colors |
| 23:34:39 | gevaerts | Nico_P: static information (like DeviceChart) is fine too. At least that one never becomes incorrect |
| 23:34:48 | imthedan | I take back what I said earlier. There are a LOT of games that come with the download. I guess it was a good idea to read the manual. =X |
| 23:35:13 | saratoga | any other fields that should be on that table? |
| 23:35:58 | bluebrother | ... and create some distracting noise here :| |
| 23:36:14 | dataangel | linuxstb: I don't see any .map files |
| 23:36:31 | Nico_P | saratoga: it seems you removed the note about the issues on the iPod 1G/2G |
| 23:36:38 | saratoga | maybe mention if the CPU is fast enough for 24 fps at fullscreen in mpegplayer? |
| 23:36:43 | dataangel | linuxstb: Do I have to make with certain options? |
| 23:36:49 | * | gevaerts isn't entirely happy about USB: No statuses. Not sure how to solve that though |
| 23:36:53 | saratoga | Nico_P: no i put it at the bottom since i don't know how to do a cite |
| 23:36:56 | dr_kludge | hrmph... documentation does not include full procedure for older archos players. |
| 23:37:09 | linuxstb | dataangel: Where are you looking? |
| 23:37:16 | Nico_P | saratoga: you can look at how it's done in http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FeatureComparison |
| 23:37:38 | dataangel | linuxstb: Rockbox/apps/plugins, also tried Rockbox/build/rocks/apps |
| 23:37:41 | dr_kludge | update software −−> 'play' ajbrec.ajz −−> set file display to 'all' −−> play '.rockbox/rockbox.ucl' |
| 23:37:53 | dataangel | oh nm got it |
| 23:38:21 | dr_kludge | how to get this into the documentation to save the next persyn that minor headache? |
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| 23:38:33 | gevaerts | dataangel: if you're on a portalplayer target, and if you use linux, have a look at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PortalPlayerUsb#logf_over_USB_Serial |
| 23:38:47 | dataangel | sansa e200 |
| 23:39:01 | funman | it's portalplayer |
| 23:40:33 | saratoga | Nico_P: done |
| 23:40:43 | Nico_P | gevaerts: sorry to be repeatng myself, but could you remind me why you don't feel we're ready to enable rockbox usb on at least some targets? |
| 23:41:48 | gevaerts | Nico_P: we can enable it _if_ we have a way to allow the user to disable it, as it doesn't work at all with some player/PC combinations |
| 23:42:02 | saratoga | could the next person who hears from bagder ask him to change the "Current Status" link on the front page to "Current Status and Additional Targets" or something more inticing |
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| 23:42:27 | saratoga | i thought the ipods always worked, albiet slowly |
| 23:42:43 | dataangel | I tried looking for "4d52c" in my plugin's .map file but it's not found |
| 23:42:54 | linuxstb | gevaerts: I don't think you need to disable it, the user can just manually start the OF. |
| 23:43:14 | gevaerts | linuxstb: good point |
| 23:43:18 | linuxstb | dataangel: On the e200, that address will be in core Rockbox somewhere, so look in apps/rockbox.map |
| 23:43:59 | gevaerts | dataangel: chances are that you won't find exact address as it may be in an array. Also, the .map files don't do static variables |
| 23:44:01 | linuxstb | dataangel: But it seems that it could be a symptom of something else going (badly) wrong. e.g. do you declare lots of variables on the stack? The stack is only about 8KB. |
| 23:44:35 | dataangel | it says "UIE" |
| 23:44:47 | dataangel | at that exact address in rockbox.map |
| 23:44:49 | dataangel | what's UIE? |
| 23:45:04 | saratoga | gevaerts: lets enable it then, maybe having it would encourage other people to look at it more |
| 23:45:07 | dataangel | would the simulator emulate the stack size? because it works fine there |
| 23:45:15 | linuxstb | dataangel: No |
| 23:45:21 | saratoga | also, should I put something about mpegplayer in the device status table? |
| 23:45:35 | linuxstb | dataangel: But you should know how big the variables are that you declare locally... |
| 23:45:36 | Nico_P | saratoga: I don't think so |
| 23:45:45 | gevaerts | saratoga: Once you add enough hubs no portalplayer target works. How many hubs are possible is very dependent on local setup and exact hardware, and for some setups it may not work at all |
| 23:46:00 | Nico_P | gevaerts: I'm in favor of activating USB on targets where it works without corruptiosn |
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| 23:46:14 | saratoga | was thinking "fplays full screen video at 24 fps" |
| 23:46:35 | dataangel | 8KB stack.. so my char buffer[100] is probably a problem ;p |
| 23:46:39 | dataangel | ? |
| 23:46:43 | dataangel | as a local variable |
| 23:46:46 | Llorean | gevaerts: do we have any reports of it not working when plugged directly into a rear USB port? |
| 23:46:51 | dataangel | but if I made it global things would be fine? |
| 23:46:55 | linuxstb | No, that's fine. It's only 100 bytes... |
| 23:47:04 | Llorean | saratoga: We need some worst-case videos to test with before we know that, I think. |
| 23:47:12 | saratoga | for what its worth, I have never once seen my sansa do anything but crash on plugging in the USB, so from my point of view once the sansa SD driver bug is fixed, I lose nothing by getting an unreligable USB option |
| 23:47:14 | Llorean | Otherwise we'll just get bug reports. |
| 23:47:26 | dataangel | oh right |
| 23:47:55 | saratoga | dataangel: have you tried debugging in the sim? |
| 23:48:32 | linuxstb | dataangel: You could upload your code somewhere - maybe it's obvious to other eyes... |
| 23:50:00 | saratoga | anyone think the H10 can charge the battery? |
| 23:50:06 | gevaerts | Llorean: I don't know. I do have a (private) report saying that some sansas don't work on some PCs (any port) in the OF though, and switching PC or sansa solves that (so neither of them is the only cause). Not sure if that's actually relevant though |
| 23:50:33 | dataangel | saratoga: sim runs perfectly |
| 23:50:59 | imthedan | Are there any guides for creating a WPS theme? |
| 23:51:37 | Llorean | gevaerts: I think a note in the manual saying "If USB doesn't work, plug directly into the back of your PC. If it still doesn't work see (flyspray task) to help give us feedback on the conditions, and for the time being you'll have to make use of the dual boot feature." |
| 23:51:42 | uep | Does anybody use rockbox on the iriver h10 20gb right now? |
| 23:52:02 | uep | Er... more specifically, use the usb on the iriver h10 20gb. |
| 23:52:02 | linuxstb | imthedan: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToWPSMaking |
| 23:52:10 | Llorean | I'm actually not sure being able to turn it off is strictly necessary since it'll probably just add some more bugs and dual boot is pretty easy to do. |
| 23:52:13 | * | Nico_P agrees with Llorean. it should help get more testing (if that can help) |
| 23:52:16 | gevaerts | Llorean: that should work. |
| 23:52:20 | imthedan | thanks. |
| 23:52:24 | gevaerts | uep: you mean the rockbox usb stack? |
| 23:52:43 | uep | Yeah. I rebuilt the code with the flags, but it didn't work. |
| 23:52:56 | gevaerts | didn't work in what way? |
| 23:53:12 | uep | I get nothing showing up on my OS when I plug the device in. |
| 23:53:23 | linuxstb | What is displayed on your H10's screen? |
| 23:54:23 | dataangel | linuxstb: It's a lot to look through, but it does crash on startup, so problem is probably early on. Here's the code: http://rafb.net/p/gpcuyq61.html |
| 23:54:35 | * | gevaerts thinks |
| 23:54:51 | uep | I'm not sure I understand your question, but the rockbox screen doesn't seem to change at all. |
| 23:55:17 | uep | So it's just the main menu. |
| 23:55:23 | BigBambi | and how did you enable usb? |
| 23:55:25 | gevaerts | uep: try holding the "right" button |
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| 23:55:53 | linuxstb | dataangel: Does any text get displayed before it crashes? |
| 23:56:06 | gevaerts | uep: while pluging in, that is. H10 is different from all other targets in that you have to hold a button to get a USB connection |
| 23:56:25 | uep | Is that the same for after rockbox is on? |
| 23:56:43 | gevaerts | That's while running rockbox, yes |
| 23:56:43 | uep | I was under the impression that I could just plug it in while the device was running. |
| 23:56:59 | dataangel | linuxstb: It displays up through "Database inited" and then dies |
| 23:57:04 | dataangel | I'm adding more debugging text... |
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| 23:57:17 | * | gevaerts never liked that difference. Once USB is enabled by default, it has to go |
| 23:58:15 | * | Nico_P wonders what difference it is |
| 23:58:40 | uep | It restarts and seems to use the h10's own usb driver. Is that the expected behavior? |
| 23:58:47 | gevaerts | uep: H10 is different. If you don't hold that button it doesn't connect. The reason for that is that you need to hold this button while rebooting for the OF to go to disk mode |
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