| 00:00:01 | gevaerts | uep: it's not expected behaviour. It shouldn't reboot |
| 00:00:02 | BigBambi | uep: Rockbox USB should work there |
| 00:00:20 | BigBambi | It is only expected behaviour if you *haven't* enabled the USB stack |
| 00:00:23 | uep | Well, while holding the button, the usb cable symbol came up for a second, then the device rebooted. |
| 00:00:33 | bluebrother | does it run to the File found line? |
| 00:00:35 | uep | And it went back to the iriver boot screen. |
| 00:00:36 | BigBambi | So the USB stack isn't properly enabled |
| 00:00:51 | BigBambi | What did you add to which file to enable it? |
| 00:00:53 | saratoga | did you ever try and put the define in the config file ? |
| 00:01:03 | uep | negative. Only tried it in the makefile. |
| 00:01:09 | saratoga | well . . . |
| 00:01:32 | gevaerts | I always put it in the makefile |
| 00:02:00 | gevaerts | uep: can you paste that makefile somewhere? |
| 00:02:35 | bluebrother | dataangel: I have the impression that your database_dir could be the problem being still the initial NULL pointer |
| 00:03:02 | uep | http://pastebin.com/d6fe974c3 |
| 00:04:44 | gevaerts | I don't see anything wrong in there. Weird... |
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| 00:05:17 | blkhawk | anybody working on the sansa e200 v2 around? |
| 00:05:26 | bluebrother | have you checked errno after the opendir call? |
| 00:05:48 | funman | blkhawk: yes |
| 00:05:57 | funman | well not the e200 model though |
| 00:06:11 | blkhawk | I am currently reading the forum thread |
| 00:06:16 | blkhawk | and i have a question |
| 00:06:20 | dataangel | bluebrother:I bet that is it |
| 00:06:25 | blkhawk | all this talk about a loder |
| 00:06:29 | blkhawk | loader |
| 00:06:36 | blkhawk | in the first few bytes |
| 00:06:40 | gevaerts | blkhawk: please don't press enter all the time |
| 00:06:54 | uep | gevaerts: It worked that time. I do *not* know why. |
| 00:07:08 | uep | When it failed the first time, I rebuilt it with just full-speed, not hi-speed. |
| 00:07:15 | uep | I didn't know you had to hold the button though. |
| 00:07:29 | uep | I just rebuilt it again with hi-speed and it works now when I hold the button. |
| 00:07:39 | uep | Thanks for your help! |
| 00:07:43 | gevaerts | Actually, if you don't hold the button it should at least show up in lsusb or something |
| 00:08:09 | blkhawk | why isn't it possible to patch the current firmware at a certain point |
| 00:08:35 | gevaerts | uep: no problem. Have fun with it! |
| 00:08:38 | funman | blkhawk: attempts to do that have resulted in 'bricked' firmwares |
| 00:08:43 | blkhawk | say at the point the radio menu gets triggert |
| 00:08:47 | funman | but we have ideas for further testing |
| 00:09:15 | blkhawk | i thought there was a reason :=) |
| 00:09:23 | funman | blkhawk: because we don't know how the radio menu works, and running code in this particular area (when the OF has already booted) might be dangerous |
| 00:09:47 | funman | do you have an e200 and are ready to open it to unbrick it? |
| 00:10:05 | blkhawk | why is it dangerous exactly? |
| 00:10:16 | funman | fragilematter just told me his cover/screws were a bit damaged after opening/closing it a lot of times |
| 00:10:22 | blkhawk | i bought it a few hours ago - and i already took it apart |
| 00:10:27 | funman | :) |
| 00:10:37 | funman | can you code ? |
| 00:10:40 | blkhawk | yes i used my finest scredriver |
| 00:10:48 | dataangel | the database location was it |
| 00:10:53 | blkhawk | depends on the language |
| 00:10:55 | dataangel | I put the folder on the root of the drive instead of in .rockbox :P |
| 00:11:01 | blkhawk | i fear my assembly codeing is a bit week |
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| 00:11:40 | blkhawk | never saw the point in buiding houses with toothpicks :) |
| 00:11:40 | funman | C is enough |
| 00:11:58 | funman | I am rewriting parts of the firmware patcher in C atm |
| 00:12:09 | blkhawk | i have some experience programming atmel microprocessors tho |
| 00:12:15 | linuxstb | blkhawk: Yes, but when you need to pick things from your teeth... |
| 00:12:17 | funman | but the part that needs testing on e200 is mkamsboot.c |
| 00:13:01 | blkhawk | igather unbricking means briding the contacs on the flash module and connecting it to a pc? |
| 00:14:32 | funman | yep |
| 00:14:40 | funman | you can bridge with a screwdriver |
| 00:14:50 | blkhawk | and the code is compiled with gcc? |
| 00:14:56 | funman | yes |
| 00:15:12 | funman | it's in utils/AMS/hacking in the rockbox repository, but you want to use one of the patches on the forum |
| 00:15:17 | * | Nico_P just discovered the linux4nano-dev ML |
| 00:15:19 | funman | or wait for the one I'm about to post :) |
| 00:15:36 | blkhawk | oki i will wat if you are just about to post it :) |
| 00:15:55 | blkhawk | i will try to see what happens if i rename the firmware image i put on this thing |
| 00:16:40 | saratoga | hmm seems the V1 and V2 use the same JTAG pinout |
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| 00:17:03 | funman | good to know :) |
| 00:17:15 | funman | blkhawk: well I'm still debugging it |
| 00:17:42 | funman | blkhawk: did you get to the point where all the firmware filenames are described? |
| 00:18:06 | blkhawk | i read in a forum posting that the names decide what functions i get |
| 00:18:26 | blkhawk | i want to try the diagnostic mode and the japanese settings for the radio |
| 00:18:37 | funman | you can use no prefix to get all the functions (maybe make sure you have a FM radio before?) |
| 00:18:54 | blkhawk | i have the european version |
| 00:19:00 | blkhawk | are there some without? |
| 00:19:06 | funman | no idea |
| 00:20:59 | blkhawk | funman: dont you mean postfix? |
| 00:21:04 | blkhawk | instead of prefix |
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| 00:21:13 | funman | yes (suffix) |
| 00:22:53 | saratoga | looks like the standard JTAG interface should be able to change the PC, registers and dump memory using some software on sourceforge |
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| 00:23:18 | funman | saratoga: fdinel used it on m200, you can ask him which software he used (I think on windows) |
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| 00:29:53 | fdinel | indeed you can change whatever you want with the jtag interface |
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| 00:31:17 | fdinel | the software was hjtag in case you didn't know |
| 00:31:42 | saratoga | i ordered a parallel to JTAG adapter |
| 00:32:14 | funman | fdinel: blkhawk http://paste.ubuntu.com/51422/ |
| 00:32:34 | funman | doesn't it look good ? :) |
| 00:33:00 | blkhawk | very pretty |
| 00:33:03 | BigBambi_ | Beast question - given that the F remote has the potential to work on the S, and in the debug menu of the S you can watch the values of ADC8 change when you press buttons, I'm guessing that for someone who knew what they were doing it wouldn't be the hardest thing in the world to add support for it? |
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| 00:33:22 | blkhawk | is that a part of your loader? |
| 00:33:33 | blkhawk | does it blink the scrollring LED? |
| 00:33:48 | funman | yes, yes. |
| 00:33:55 | saratoga | BigBambi_: if you can see what changes in the debug menu when you push buttons, a driver should be pretty trivial |
| 00:34:03 | funman | but the delay between toggles is too fast |
| 00:34:26 | funman | let me tweak it |
| 00:34:29 | BigBambi_ | saratoga: OK, cool |
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| 00:34:51 | blkhawk | static void usleep(int i) { while(i−−) ; } <- does this work? |
| 00:34:56 | funman | sure |
| 00:35:15 | funman | ah oops |
| 00:35:24 | funman | the xor is at fault I guess |
| 00:36:12 | gevaerts | funman: do you use -O for gcc? |
| 00:36:17 | funman | -Os |
| 00:36:46 | funman | I'll remove the tabs and post the patch on flyspray |
| 00:36:48 | gevaerts | I'd expect that usleep to get optimised away |
| 00:36:54 | funman | nop |
| 00:37:07 | funman | I disassembled everything before running it :) |
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| 00:38:44 | allele | is there a way to compile a specific plugin instead of having to build the whole rockbox tree? |
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| 00:39:21 | Nico_P | allele: if you only change that plugin the rest won't be recompiled |
| 00:39:26 | Nico_P | ccache can also help |
| 00:39:35 | Nico_P | but the answer is no |
| 00:40:07 | DerPapst | though it's still painfully slow on cygwin (esp. "bulding" the bitmaps for plugins) |
| 00:40:09 | allele | ah, well I can deal with that |
| 00:40:45 | allele | derpepst, how much memory does cygwin take up on your system? |
| 00:40:52 | allele | DerPapst* |
| 00:42:08 | funman | maybe you would have faster speed using linux in a virtual machine |
| 00:42:32 | allele | that's what I have - ubuntu in virtualbox |
| 00:42:51 | DerPapst | still counting ^^ |
| 00:43:14 | allele | but that probably wouldn't be the case, since an os in an os probably run slower than one |
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| 00:45:58 | Nico_P | allele: I think a VM is faster than cygwin |
| 00:46:21 | Nico_P | the best is native linux of course :) |
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| 00:48:13 | allele | for compiling |
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| 00:49:36 | funman | fdinel: blkhawk http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9396?getfile=17535 |
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| 00:51:21 | allele | here's a question, functions and constants can be stored in a .h file, right? to include that .h file in a plugin do I just need the #include, or do I need to include the header in a makefile? |
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| 00:52:40 | funman | both |
| 00:52:49 | funman | \o HellDragon |
| 00:52:54 | DerPapst | complete functions shouldn't be put in a header file. only the prototype ;) |
| 00:53:13 | funman | allele: makefile modif is needed, so the object file is rebuilt when the header changes |
| 00:54:04 | Llorean | funman: I assume you mean "modification"? Please remember the guidelines on whole, real words here. |
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| 00:55:06 | WilliamC | I have an interesting problem. |
| 00:55:35 | advcomp2019 | WilliamC, what is it.. we can not read minds ;) |
| 00:55:45 | WilliamC | I have a 65 mb file in my .rockbox folder |
| 00:55:53 | WilliamC | and it's all weird |
| 00:56:06 | scorche | we need more information then that.. |
| 00:56:19 | allele | is it several strange characters? |
| 00:56:24 | WilliamC | It's called $⌠4╡2. |
| 00:56:36 | allele | are you on a sansa E200? |
| 00:56:39 | WilliamC | yeah |
| 00:56:50 | WilliamC | So you can read minds, liar.:P |
| 00:57:06 | allele | yeah, I had a similar problem when I first got mine, I couldn't delete it only solution I found was a reformat and reinstallation |
| 00:57:15 | advcomp2019 | run a check disk or scan for errors |
| 00:57:30 | WilliamC | I defragmented my E200 |
| 00:57:40 | Llorean | never defragment flash devices |
| 00:57:45 | ender` | isn't e200 flash-based? |
| 00:57:58 | funman | Llorean: I assumed abbreviations used orally are ok |
| 00:57:58 | WilliamC | I'm not sure. |
| 00:58:03 | scorche | WilliamC: follow advcomp2019's advice.. |
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| 00:58:08 | scorche | WilliamC: it is |
| 00:58:25 | WilliamC | I ran scandisk and it's gone now |
| 00:58:34 | Llorean | funman: Remember, this is for people who don't natively speak English and depend on translation software too. |
| 00:58:45 | scorche | funman: used orally?...that doesnt really make sense...i have never heard of "modif" |
| 00:58:46 | WilliamC | I expected it to be harder. |
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| 00:58:51 | funman | right |
| 00:58:51 | Llorean | funman: So limit yourself to things their software is likely to translate, or things we have a definition for in our project glossary. |
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| 00:59:34 | allele | so that fixed the problem WilliamC? |
| 00:59:40 | WilliamC | yeah |
| 00:59:53 | allele | hehe, I'll remember that next time that happens to me :D |
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| 01:00:36 | advcomp2019 | WilliamC, good.. for some reason the sansa's do that issue at times but i have not ran into it |
| 01:01:21 | allele | maybe its dependant on the mode its in? |
| 01:01:24 | WilliamC | The Screaming Oprah theme scares me. |
| 01:10:25 | WilliamC | When I go to save the play list I hit the play button but it doesn't save. |
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| 01:15:47 | allele | you may be saving it to the root, so the catalog won't display it |
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| 01:18:57 | WilliamC | I created a playlist outside of rockbox and saved it. |
| 01:19:06 | WilliamC | Stupid playlist is annoying. |
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| 01:21:48 | allele | rockbox uses a different playlist method than sansa's original firmware |
| 01:22:36 | scorche | WilliamC: was it an m3u playlist? |
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| 01:29:42 | Hillshum | funman: sure |
| 01:29:54 | funman | Hillshum: yes you can use cygwin as build/development environment |
| 01:31:03 | funman | which problem do you have ? |
| 01:31:44 | Hillshum | well, i need to read the forum thread a bit to figure it out |
| 01:32:11 | Hillshum | i've compiled builds, but not messed with OF |
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| 01:33:35 | funman | it's easy as modify Makefile to point to your OF, and run make |
| 01:34:01 | funman | then copy the modified firmware to your root folder on the device (as e200p.bin) |
| 01:36:27 | Hillshum | makefile is where? |
| 01:36:41 | funman | in utils/AMS/hacking |
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| 01:45:23 | Hillshum | Okay, so I add the e200's buttons, then edit makefile |
| 01:46:48 | Hillshum | right? |
| 01:47:45 | funman | exactly, but the buttons are already setup for matching usb on e200 so you don't need to modify them |
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| 01:49:13 | Hillshum | and all instances of <INFILE> and <OUTFILE> ? |
| 01:49:30 | funman | INFILE is enough if you rename the patched.bin after copying it |
| 01:53:13 | Hillshum | what do I save Makefile as? |
| 01:53:24 | funman | Makefile |
| 01:53:28 | funman | don't change its name |
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| 01:55:16 | Hillshum | and how to run mkamsboot.c? |
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| 01:56:06 | funman | just run 'make' |
| 01:56:32 | * | Hillshum knew that |
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| 01:59:07 | Hillshum | It complains "No rule to make target OUTFILE , etc. " |
| 01:59:33 | funman | can you paste the full log, as well as the output of svn diff on a pastebin ? |
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| 02:01:02 | Hillshum | how do i select/copy? |
| 02:01:29 | funman | right click? |
| 02:01:55 | Hillshum | no |
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| 02:02:10 | Hillshum | darn winows command shells |
| 02:03:37 | Hillshum | here's a screenshot http://yrckcq.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pYxScRUfDkqn8WpIMVseh_Xhy7N6RFp4q0ATUkIuRrXQMiv9jr0EQr-2jotYAspLj5zLmYSOPd7w/Output.JPG |
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| 02:04:56 | funman | Hillshum: you need to modify OUTFILE to be the full or relative to current directory path to your original firmware |
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| 02:05:25 | funman | hem INFILE |
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| 02:05:46 | funman | I don't know what /home is on cygwin |
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| 02:05:57 | funman | I use "INFILE=m300.bin" |
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| 02:21:24 | Hillshum | funman: now i get this http://pastebin.com/f2948fb83 |
| 02:22:15 | Hillshum | ignore the highlight |
| 02:22:45 | funman | use INFILE=E200PA.BIN |
| 02:22:50 | funman | and don't modify OUTFILE |
| 02:22:58 | funman | sorry it's time for sleeping |
| 02:23:00 | funman | good luck :) |
| 02:23:09 | funman | I should be there tomorrow |
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| 05:01:31 | allele | the clocks plugin is not necessary for rockbox to tell the time on the 'desktop'? |
| 05:03:29 | allele | sorry, I mean is the clocks plugin necessary to tell time in rockbox (for further clarification) |
| 05:04:30 | JdGordon | no |
| 05:05:28 | allele | ah, thanks |
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| 05:07:21 | Alonea | is it possible to get the player to turn off when you unplug it after charging, instead of restarting? |
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| 05:09:30 | Llorean | Alonea: You're charging in the original firmware. We can't really control what the OF does. |
| 05:10:15 | Alonea | Llorean: ah ok. any progress on that? the usb wall charger still wont work either. |
| 05:10:29 | Llorean | Progress on controlling what the OF does? |
| 05:10:54 | Dementio | lol |
| 05:10:56 | Alonea | Llorean: on the usb stuff. |
| 05:11:02 | Dementio | the wall charger works fine for me |
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| 05:11:07 | Llorean | All progress is in the tracker entries where they've always been. |
| 05:11:26 | Llorean | Dementio: Do you know which player Alonea has? It's not exactly the same situation for all hardware... |
| 05:11:43 | Dementio | no idea |
| 05:11:47 | Alonea | Llorean: oh, I am so silly. I never mentioned it was a sansa. bad me. Sorry! |
| 05:11:50 | Dementio | but that's the norm for me |
| 05:12:04 | Dementio | lol |
| 05:12:27 | Llorean | Alonea: It seemed evidence it was PortalPlayer based so far, and your questions all had the same answers independent of which PP device pretty much |
| 05:13:11 | Alonea | hehe. I am really out of it. I do have a head injury. Dad was complaining about it actually. He keeps forgetting to turn it off. |
| 05:13:23 | Llorean | Alonea: As it stands, all progress on the USB and on the charging control patches are in the tracker. USB hasn't progressed much because nobody's discovered anything new about the current hurdle. Charging seems almost ready but there's a few quirks to work out. |
| 05:15:10 | Alonea | ah ok. Well, good luck to the programmers. Going to a better university now so maybe I will learn something. |
| 05:15:25 | Dementio | oh, Llorean, question for ya |
| 05:15:54 | Dementio | if i have to make the same source mod every time, i could make a patch file right? |
| 05:16:34 | saratoga | patches are usually used to send other people changes |
| 05:16:51 | saratoga | wouldn't make a whole lot of sense to send yourself a patch |
| 05:16:51 | Dementio | i know, but i have to do the same thing every time |
| 05:16:57 | saratoga | why? |
| 05:17:08 | Dementio | a-data cf card |
| 05:17:23 | saratoga | you've heard of SVN right? |
| 05:17:31 | Dementio | yeah |
| 05:17:38 | Dementio | that's where i get the source |
| 05:17:49 | saratoga | so whats the sense in making a patch? |
| 05:17:52 | Llorean | If you make the changes on a local SVN checkout, you can just svn update and your changes are preserved with the new changes from us merged in. |
| 05:18:04 | Dementio | oh |
| 05:18:09 | Dementio | that part i didn't know |
| 05:18:39 | Dementio | what if changes are made to that particular file? it's updated with my changes? |
| 05:19:05 | Llorean | They're merged in if at all possible |
| 05:19:11 | Dementio | cool |
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| 05:23:02 | Tailsfan | Hi Guys, Is there another mirror for the Rockbox Utility? |
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| 05:29:58 | [omni] | hey. i just upgraded to 3.0 and now most of my WPS themes dont' seem to be working (including the ones that shipped 3.0). is there a plugin or soemthing that i can't remember i was supposed to install? |
| 05:31:10 | Llorean | The ones that shipped with 3.0 are working. |
| 05:31:25 | [omni] | hmm.. |
| 05:31:27 | [omni] | weird |
| 05:31:44 | [omni] | i'll try to delete .rockbox and install the new version instead of overwriting the old files |
| 05:31:59 | Llorean | But the font names have changed very recently (which can cause problems if you have old fonts only) and the WPS tag format for a few tags changed a little while back (breaking many, many themes) |
| 05:33:00 | [omni] | i'm totally impressed with how much faster 3.0 boots up |
| 05:33:24 | Llorean | Nothing has changed recently that would affect that. When was the last time you updated before 3.0? |
| 05:33:32 | [omni] | i think the last daily i downloaded was r15960 |
| 05:33:35 | [omni] | so it's been a while |
| 05:34:43 | [omni] | looks like i downloaded in december of last year.. heh |
| 05:35:00 | [omni] | hmm.. still no USB support, huh? |
| 05:35:19 | Llorean | If you can solve the remaining problems, we'd be very grateful. |
| 05:35:38 | Llorean | As it stands, nobody can work out why it corrupts data on the Sandisk players, or why it gets all those bus resets behind hubs. |
| 05:36:18 | [omni] | sadly my coding skills aren't up to scruff |
| 05:36:36 | [omni] | and i wasn't complaining. this is one of my favorite opensource product |
| 05:36:38 | [omni] | s |
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| 08:15:58 | advcomp2019 | here is another 3.0 story: http://www.download.com/8301-2007_4-10052462-12.html?tag=contentMain;contentBody |
| 08:20:37 | * | Llorean wonders when they last tried to install. |
| 08:21:09 | Llorean | The installation process hasn't been "complicated" in my book since we stopped using ipod_fw, and I don't think it was _ever_ particularly buggy on the iPods since we just adapted iPodLinux's tools which more or less just worked. |
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| 08:32:30 | homielowe | advcomp2019: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ArticlesAboutRockbox :P top one on the list |
| 08:33:38 | advcomp2019 | oops i forgot about that page |
| 08:38:43 | Llorean | Apparently the big feature of 3.0 is actually RBUtil as far as the news sites are concerned. |
| 08:40:22 | Llorean | At least we now know what sort of things would make good hype builders for future releases. |
| 08:40:22 | Dementio | that's mainly because as far as main stream is concerned, if it requires command line interface to setup, it's not worth it |
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| 08:52:53 | Dementio | what can make it take several seconds to play the next song? it'll show the title and just ???? for the rest, and still be playing the previous song |
| 08:55:29 | Llorean | Waiting for the disk to spin up if you've skipped to a song that's outside the buffer. |
| 08:55:39 | Dementio | cf drive |
| 08:56:52 | Llorean | No clue then, I don't experience that on any of my natively flash players. |
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| 09:00:34 | * | linuxstb reads the download.com article and didn't realise that "RockboxUtility is meant to start off with an error"... |
| 09:00:52 | Dementio | lol |
| 09:01:01 | Dementio | well, on first use, it is |
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| 09:05:46 | * | linuxstb also spots a grammatical mistake in that error message, but can't see how to fix it in SVN |
| 09:06:40 | scorche | rbutil is mopre buggy than ipodpatcher was... |
| 09:07:13 | linuxstb | And we never called it an "auto-installer" - I'm thinking maybe the article is referring to something like "Rockbox X", or another unofficial tool |
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| 09:08:50 | Llorean | Ugh |
| 09:09:12 | Llorean | The perils of third party tools, I suppose. |
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| 09:22:07 | JdGordon | the sys/stat.h I have for the wince mingw compiler only defines _stat if __MSVCRT__ is defined... (its needed in uisimulator/sdl/io.c) any ideas how to get that defined without #definigng __MSVCRT__? |
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| 09:35:09 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Why would you not want to #define __MSVCRT__ ? If that's what the include file needs, just define it. |
| 09:36:15 | JdGordon | because this is the mingw compiler...? |
| 09:36:46 | JdGordon | definfig it causes other problems apparentyl |
| 09:36:52 | JdGordon | other compiling problems |
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| 09:40:38 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Looking at uisimulator/common/io.c, it's using _stat only when MINGW32 is defined. What if you change that to "stat" ? |
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| 09:41:35 | linuxstb | Does the wince mingw compiler define __MINGW32__ ? (that would seem wrong...) |
| 09:41:47 | JdGordon | shouldnt it? |
| 09:42:07 | linuxstb | wince isn't win32... |
| 09:42:24 | JdGordon | how do i check what its deifning? |
| 09:42:46 | linuxstb | Well, if that code in io.c is being executed, then it will be defined. |
| 09:43:05 | linuxstb | There is a trick to see what pre-processor symbols are being defined, but I forget what it is... |
| 09:43:48 | JdGordon | ok, yeah it seems it is deifnning it |
| 09:45:19 | linuxstb | Does changing "_stat" to "stat" help? |
| 09:46:46 | JdGordon | yeah, a bit... now its incompatible param warnings |
| 09:48:40 | linuxstb | To the stat function, or elsewhere? |
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| 09:50:24 | JdGordon | seems it doesnt like the UTF8_TO_OS() macro? |
| 09:50:37 | JdGordon | im gonna hack up this file abit and see what happens |
| 09:52:29 | JdGordon | remove is undefined? |
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| 10:03:59 | * | JdGordon found the bookmark not resuming problem :D |
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| 10:07:20 | JdGordon | it seems the id3 info is dumped when playback is stopped? |
| 10:08:33 | noaftschoarer | hello! can anybody read my post (http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=18767.0) and tell me how i can solve the problem? PLZ |
| 10:09:40 | Llorean | JdGordon: Don't we flush everything buffered when we stop? |
| 10:10:08 | JdGordon | it appears so |
| 10:10:17 | JdGordon | I'm not sure why the id3 struct needs to be invalidated though |
| 10:10:28 | JdGordon | s/invalidated/erased |
| 10:10:53 | Llorean | What use is it if audio isn't still buffered? |
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| 10:11:27 | JdGordon | I need to get the track position (in seconds) from it for the bmark file, but its set to 0 as soon as playback is stopped |
| 10:11:47 | JdGordon | unless I add another int to global_status or something |
| 10:11:51 | JdGordon | but thats not very nice... |
| 10:12:58 | Llorean | Any way to create the bookmark slightly earlier during the stopping process? |
| 10:13:13 | JdGordon | yes, inside playback.c but I'm not sure thats a good idea |
| 10:13:36 | JdGordon | although there is a line "/* TODO: Create auto bookmark too? */" right where it needs to go? |
| 10:14:06 | Llorean | Sounds like an invitation to me... Heh. |
| 10:14:37 | JdGordon | its not from so long ago... |
| 10:15:26 | JdGordon | although, it would mean no need to create the bmark everywhere its possible to stop playback |
| 10:16:20 | Llorean | That sounds good to me then, since it's also futureproofed (and safe even if plugins stop playback, right?) |
| 10:16:51 | JdGordon | yes, problem is though that waiting for user input there could be bad (if its set to "ask") |
| 10:17:36 | Llorean | Ah. |
| 10:17:37 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 10:18:00 | JdGordon | this is getting messy :( |
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| 10:20:30 | havien | restart from scratch? |
| 10:20:47 | JdGordon | thats what im doing :p |
| 10:21:25 | havien | damn |
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| 10:22:31 | JdGordon | and fixed, not so nicely though... but fixed |
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| 11:51:25 | gevaerts | linuxstb: that error message is fixed in 1.0.7 (and changed to an information dialog, it's not an error message any more) |
| 11:51:55 | linuxstb | gevaerts: Yes, I noticed the text had been fixed (which was why grep didn't find it...) |
| 11:52:07 | linuxstb | So that article is also using an old rbutil... |
| 11:52:26 | gevaerts | The new rbutil wasn't released yet when 3.0 came out |
| 11:53:51 | linuxstb | Yes, I know, although it was published after the new rbutil was released. |
| 11:56:02 | gevaerts | True, but when did they start their review, and when did they write the article? |
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| 12:48:45 | Splash | hello |
| 12:50:12 | Splash | yesterday i installed rockbox on my ipod, but i can't use the back, play/pause, forward button on my b&w zeppelin. Any ideas how to solve this? |
| 12:50:39 | scorche | "b&w zeppelin" |
| 12:50:41 | scorche | ? |
| 12:50:47 | Splash | allready did that |
| 12:50:51 | Splash | no results on forum |
| 12:51:07 | scorche | i dont know what that is |
| 12:52:41 | Splash | new ipod dock from bowers en wilkins |
| 12:52:48 | Splash | google it :) |
| 12:53:41 | linuxstb | Splash: This may help - http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17841.0 |
| 12:54:40 | scorche | in that case, this is to be expected since rockbox does not yet support the AAP (apple accessory protocol)...there is a patch in the tracker for it that you can try though (and a build for it as see by linuxstb's link)...also please add your device to the IpodAccessories wikipage if you can ;) |
| 12:55:07 | Splash | Okay! |
| 12:55:14 | Splash | Thanks linuxstb |
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| 13:02:01 | Splash | now i need write permission... :P |
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| 13:03:26 | gevaerts | Splash: what's your wiki username? |
| 13:06:42 | meven | gevaerts: hi |
| 13:07:00 | gevaerts | meven: hello |
| 13:07:00 | meven | i am an owner of a meizu m6sl |
| 13:07:12 | meven | i d' like to help on its port |
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| 13:07:35 | gevaerts | Please do :) All help is welcome! |
| 13:07:49 | meven | for now i have tested bootloader and meizu_dfu |
| 13:08:05 | meven | * the bootloader |
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| 13:08:53 | meven | from what i heard the main task now is to investigate the original firmware to figure out how to draw on the screen |
| 13:09:04 | gevaerts | OF or datasheets, yes |
| 13:09:22 | Splash | gevaerts: DannyVanDongen |
| 13:10:29 | Winkie | hey guys, it may be that i'm being really dumb, but i've been trying to install themes by simply copying the contents of the .rockbox directory, and while some stuff (background images etc) seems to work, the player screen seems to never change? have I done something stupid or not read hte docs sufficiently? |
| 13:10:50 | scorche | Winkie: you likely are using old, broken themes |
| 13:10:52 | gevaerts | Splash: should work now. Now don't spam! ;) |
| 13:10:53 | BigBambi | Most likely the themes you are trying to install are out of date |
| 13:10:59 | Winkie | ah |
| 13:11:02 | Splash | hehe, thank you |
| 13:11:05 | Winkie | is there a handy way to tell? |
| 13:11:15 | Winkie | i installed this using the automated installer from yesterday |
| 13:11:22 | BigBambi | what? |
| 13:11:24 | Winkie | i'm not married to any particular version or anything |
| 13:11:29 | meven | gevaerts:you are talking aboout these data http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MeizuReverseEngineering ? |
| 13:11:32 | BigBambi | Theme installation doesn't work with rbutil |
| 13:11:43 | Winkie | BigBambi: no I mean I installed the rockbox version provided by rbutil yesterday |
| 13:11:47 | Winkie | then installed the themes manually |
| 13:11:54 | BigBambi | OK |
| 13:12:00 | Winkie | if there are compatible themes with the latest version i'll use those, but i also have no objection to downgrading |
| 13:12:16 | BigBambi | We do though - if you use an old version you won't get support |
| 13:12:37 | advcomp2019 | Winkie, there is a wiki page with themes that work |
| 13:12:40 | BigBambi | Winkie: You can fix the themes easily enough - see http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17507.0 |
| 13:12:54 | BigBambi | Winkie: and also www.rockbox.org/wiki/CustomWps |
| 13:12:59 | Winkie | advcomp2019: aha yes i seem to have found that now, that may well be what i'm looking for |
| 13:13:09 | Winkie | thanks, i'll give it a go and get back to you should i still have issues |
| 13:13:29 | BigBambi | Sure |
| 13:13:47 | gevaerts | meven: the ones linked from there, yes. There are also some samsung lcd driver datasheets that you may need |
| 13:14:01 | Winkie | oh, another question which is probably answered somewhere, is album art a feature in the builds, and what file does it look for? (I still retain the ability to be an idiot!) |
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| 13:14:22 | BigBambi | www.rockbox.org/wiki/AlbumArt |
| 13:15:10 | Winkie | ah, yes i guess i should have searched |
| 13:15:11 | Winkie | ta |
| 13:16:24 | meven | gevaerts: what kind of clue do we need ? |
| 13:16:51 | meven | the data sheats is only about the processor and nothing else. |
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| 13:19:56 | gevaerts | meven: http://www.meizume.com/rockbox/5871-lcd-initialization-commands-official-firmware.html has some useful info as well |
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| 13:43:02 | Winkie | BigBambi / advcomp2019 thanks for your help, that all seems to work fine, other than me accidentally getting the wrong size for albumart :D |
| 13:43:17 | BigBambi | No problems, glad it does |
| 13:43:38 | Puh` | Hello, is it neccessary to make a backup from my iPod before I install Rockbox on it? And when , where can I find a tool to make a backup of my iPod Video 80GB? |
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| 13:44:53 | Winkie | BigBambi: the one other question I have is that for example, frostbox requires the bmp resize patch, do you know if that's absolutey required or i can just resize the bmps manually to the right size? |
| 13:45:34 | BigBambi | I haven't looked at it, but you may also have to edit the wps file to make it look for album art as normal |
| 13:45:49 | Winkie | ah i see, thanks, you may notice i'm a newbie and probably should have read more |
| 13:45:50 | Winkie | thanks |
| 13:45:54 | BigBambi | But I've never tried the bmp rsize patch so I don't know if it fiddles with the syntax |
| 13:46:20 | bluebrother | Puh`: installing Rockbox is safe, no need to backup first. Though having a backup is generally a good idea. |
| 13:46:41 | bluebrother | and to backup the Ipod, it's simply a removable hard drive. Use any tool you like |
| 13:47:32 | Puh` | Yes I thought so, because one time I have to send my iPod to Service and I get it back clear |
| 13:47:54 | Winkie | BigBambi: right yes that is all quite simple, i can modify this and modify the script to remake them, thanks :) |
| 13:48:07 | BigBambi | you are welcome :) |
| 13:48:34 | advcomp2019 | your welcome, Winkie |
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| 13:49:06 | Puh` | bluebrother: Original firmware and bootloader are on harddrive too? |
| 13:51:31 | bluebrother | yes. |
| 13:51:54 | bluebrother | they are in a special firmware partition (using partition type 0 = empty) |
| 13:53:21 | Puh` | bluebrother: how can i backup this partitition? I think I cant see it in Windows |
| 13:53:42 | bluebrother | why do you need to backup this partition? There is no need to do so |
| 13:53:52 | Puh` | ok |
| 13:54:00 | bluebrother | you can always restore its contents (using Itunes or the manual restore instructions in the wiki) |
| 13:54:24 | Puh` | Restore = Harddrive Clear |
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| 13:54:36 | Puh` | or not? |
| 13:54:48 | bluebrother | define "clear". |
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| 13:54:58 | Puh` | all Content is lost |
| 13:55:22 | bluebrother | when is this supposed to happen? |
| 13:55:22 | Puh` | that it what iTunes tell me about Restoring iPod |
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| 13:55:48 | Puh` | or does it not? |
| 13:55:48 | bluebrother | well, you can restore it using Itunes or the manual instructions. As I said before. |
| 13:55:55 | Puh` | ok |
| 13:56:12 | Puh` | sorry for my stupid questions |
| 13:56:30 | Puh` | but dont want to crash my iPod |
| 13:56:37 | bluebrother | in fact, I modded my mini with a CF card a while ago. I manually "restored" the card prior putting it in, and the ipod happily accepted it (and booted the apple firmware just fine) |
| 13:56:38 | Puh` | have no money for a new one |
| 13:56:59 | bluebrother | ipods are almost unbrickable. Except using mechanical force |
| 13:57:10 | bluebrother | the worst thing that could happen is loosing all your data. |
| 13:57:36 | Puh` | wow, you can put a CF Card in a Mini? |
| 13:57:50 | bluebrother | yes. It's even a quite easy mod. |
| 13:57:51 | Puh` | does it also work in a Video? |
| 13:58:29 | bluebrother | should work in theory, but it's not that easy −− different connectors. The micro drive used in the mini has the same connector as a CF card |
| 13:59:03 | Puh` | ah |
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| 14:00:08 | Puh` | I see, its a microdrive |
| 14:00:09 | Puh` | ok |
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| 14:00:34 | Puh` | thats a relly nice mod |
| 14:00:45 | bluebrother | yep. 32GB in a mini :) |
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| 14:02:59 | Puh` | but 32GB isnt so cheap |
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| 14:03:53 | bluebrother | cheaper than any other player with 32GB around |
| 14:03:59 | Puh` | it would nice to have a slot and change cards without opening the Case |
| 14:04:32 | Puh` | you got 8GB and 16GB Cards much cheaper i think |
| 14:05:29 | Puh` | I should have a look at ebay to find a ipod mini |
| 14:05:37 | Puh` | for modding |
| 14:05:39 | Puh` | :) |
| 14:05:56 | bluebrother | not really. 32GB is less than 100EUR these days. |
| 14:06:20 | Puh` | ok |
| 14:06:59 | Puh` | now I try to put rockbox on my iPod Video |
| 14:07:21 | Puh` | im a little bit nervous |
| 14:07:24 | markun | meven: here are some values we found during LCD init: http://130.89.160.166/temp/m6sl-lcd-init.txt |
| 14:07:30 | funman | bluebrother: yesterday I was told 185€ |
| 14:07:56 | bluebrother | funman: I bought a transcend 32GB for less than 100EUR in germany including shipping |
| 14:08:05 | markun | meven: 0x139, 0x154 and ??? being the 3 LCD screens which have to be runtime detected. |
| 14:08:09 | funman | I trust you |
| 14:09:04 | markun | meven: I'm not sure if we got those codes right though, could be that we wrote it down for the wrong screens. |
| 14:09:27 | Puh` | funman: 67,25 Euro + Shipping http://geizhals.at/deutschland/a307752.html |
| 14:09:30 | bluebrother | funman: now even less: 75EUR -> http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B0012Q2PD6 |
| 14:09:41 | bluebrother | plus 3EUR for shipping |
| 14:09:41 | Puh` | *g* |
| 14:09:53 | Puh` | I'm cheaper |
| 14:10:07 | bluebrother | Puh`: I bet there's more shipping ... |
| 14:10:20 | Puh` | 8,90 Euro |
| 14:12:37 | funman | well I need the sd capable device first ;) |
| 14:12:38 | Puh` | ok, after that it's come the same |
| 14:13:07 | bluebrother | that's the reason why I don't trust geizhals.at too much ;-) |
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| 14:13:59 | Jon_D | is rockbox able to put your ipod music to your pc? |
| 14:14:17 | bluebrother | no. Rockbox is for playing back music. |
| 14:14:18 | Puh` | mostly I have a look at http://reichelt.de, my favourite electronic shop |
| 14:14:45 | bluebrother | Itunes just obfuscates the filenames on the Ipod. You can copy them back without problems in disc mode |
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| 14:15:09 | bluebrother | and gone. Nice manners. |
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| 14:15:38 | * | bluebrother wonders how Rockbox should be able putting music from the Ipod to the PC |
| 14:15:40 | Jon_D | is there a free easy way to put your ipod music on your pc ? |
| 14:15:56 | bluebrother | Itunes just obfuscates the filenames on the Ipod. You can copy them back without problems in disc mode |
| 14:16:07 | * | bluebrother seems to be in repeat mode |
| 14:16:18 | * | bluebrother wonders how Rockbox should be able putting music from the Ipod to the PC |
| 14:16:54 | Puh` | it need a Copy Plugin |
| 14:17:14 | bluebrother | Puh`: and how should it be able accessing the filesystem on the pc? |
| 14:17:39 | bluebrother | you can copy music on the player itself (file cut / copy / paste along with delete) |
| 14:18:14 | Puh` | don't ask me, I don't know |
| 14:18:57 | Puh` | it seem it need an extra programm on the pc to copy files from ipod to pc |
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| 14:19:37 | Puh` | don't know any programms doing that |
| 14:19:54 | Puh` | I just use iTunes |
| 14:20:15 | * | bluebrother uses the systems cp / konqueror. Works fine. |
| 14:20:16 | domonoky | Puh, you can use Copy&paste, nor programm needed.. |
| 14:20:24 | Puh` | putting Music just in one way: PC −−> iPod |
| 14:20:32 | * | petur wonders what's wrong with explorer/nautilus/... (fill in the file browser for your OS here) |
| 14:20:47 | bluebrother | it doesn't obfuscate the filenames? |
| 14:20:49 | Puh` | domonoky: but the filenames? |
| 14:21:05 | bluebrother | Puh`: so what? |
| 14:21:46 | Puh` | you should use a programm that change filenames withe the use of the mp3 Tags or the library |
| 14:22:19 | Puh` | I dont want any mp3s that names are like 7sdfgc47v8n8w7v |
| 14:22:23 | bluebrother | Puh`: what's the point in this? Don't obfuscate your filenames in the first place |
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| 14:22:55 | Puh` | ? |
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| 14:23:06 | Puh` | think iTunes does it |
| 14:23:14 | funman | stop using itunes then |
| 14:23:15 | bluebrother | don't use itunes :P |
| 14:23:21 | Puh` | hmpf |
| 14:23:34 | bluebrother | who wants itunes anyway? |
| 14:23:57 | Puh` | *handsup* |
| 14:24:05 | Nevtus | Puh`, you can just drag and drop with Rockbox |
| 14:24:08 | BigBambi | Then it is your own fault |
| 14:24:18 | BigBambi | Use itunes, live with the stupid filename scrambling |
| 14:24:22 | * | bluebrother goes back reading his longish diff before considering to commit |
| 14:24:26 | Puh` | I use iTunes for my Podcasts |
| 14:24:34 | Puh` | many Podcasts |
| 14:24:38 | BigBambi | I copy and paste |
| 14:24:45 | bluebrother | there are enough other podcatchers around |
| 14:25:11 | BigBambi | Anyway, this is geting off-topic. It is your own decision - if you want to use itunes (for some odd reason), then you have to live with the stupid things it does |
| 14:25:12 | Puh` | what you think is the best one? |
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| 14:26:00 | funman | Puh`: I believe this question is offtopic here |
| 14:26:09 | Puh` | hmpf |
| 14:26:11 | Puh` | ok |
| 14:26:21 | * | Puh` is away: bastelt an seinem iPod |
| 14:26:33 | BigBambi | Puh`: Please do not use away message here |
| 14:26:39 | bluebrother | Puh`: that heavily depends on what you consider "good". Some people like fancy interfaces, others don't |
| 14:27:13 | Puh` | sorry, but I am in more than just one chatroom |
| 14:27:24 | BigBambi | Whilst you are in here, plase diable it |
| 14:27:34 | bluebrother | and all other chatrooms like such noise? |
| 14:27:50 | Puh` | yes |
| 14:28:03 | BigBambi | This is a support and development channel, for which many people read the logs. If all 150 people in here had away messages, reading the logs would be even worse than it is now |
| 14:28:17 | Puh` | in the other chatrooms it is neccessary if aou are away |
| 14:28:19 | BigBambi | Puh`: Regardless of other channels, if you wish to stay in here please disanle it |
| 14:28:23 | BigBambi | *disable |
| 14:28:26 | * | bluebrother is away: stealing Puh` the away message |
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| 14:28:36 | scorche | that works too |
| 14:29:12 | funman | to stay on topic: do you know where I could look for a ARM PL180 driver except in Linux ? |
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| 14:30:15 | * | bluebrother wonders if it would make sense having #rockbox-release for the days around a release for release-specific discussion |
| 14:31:39 | funman | it would just add to the confusion in my opinion |
| 14:32:01 | * | JdGordon agrees |
| 14:32:17 | bluebrother | that's my fear too. |
| 14:32:34 | scorche | "this is release discussion...take it over there" (ugh) |
| 14:32:36 | bluebrother | but it might be helpful for a release-specific channel. Hmm. |
| 14:33:06 | sarixe | itunes is pretty delicious in its featureset |
| 14:33:26 | scorche | sarixe: and this is ontopic how? |
| 14:33:30 | sarixe | but i say, its backend completely sucks |
| 14:33:38 | sarixe | uh... well i was reading back a bit, sorry |
| 14:33:53 | sarixe | ah, Puh` left |
| 14:34:01 | scorche | and that was offtopic too |
| 14:34:19 | sarixe | i see that |
| 14:34:28 | sarixe | true, this isn't -community |
| 14:34:37 | scorche | it isnt |
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| 14:34:53 | sarixe | alright, sorry folks |
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| 14:55:57 | webguest59 | hello,every one |
| 14:56:12 | DerPapst | lo webguest59 |
| 14:57:32 | webguest59 | i am installing my ipod mini |
| 14:57:41 | webguest59 | but fail |
| 14:59:01 | webguest59 | the message is : could not open ipod |
| 14:59:23 | webguest59 | but my ipod is connected with my pc |
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| 15:00:15 | funman | did you change the partitions order on your ipod ? |
| 15:00:30 | bluebrother | webguest59: what OS? What installer? |
| 15:00:33 | webguest59 | and the software already identified my ipod mini |
| 15:00:38 | webguest59 | no |
| 15:00:53 | bluebrother | do you have Itunes running? |
| 15:00:59 | webguest59 | no |
| 15:01:23 | bluebrother | what OS? Do you have admin permissions? |
| 15:01:42 | webguest59 | ubuntu and xp, the status is same |
| 15:01:53 | webguest59 | yes |
| 15:02:14 | bluebrother | are you using Rockbox Utility? |
| 15:02:25 | webguest59 | yes |
| 15:02:44 | bluebrother | and autodetection found your Ipod? |
| 15:02:53 | webguest59 | yes |
| 15:03:40 | bluebrother | what does the About / System Info dialog show? |
| 15:04:03 | webguest59 | but is found and identified by the identify button of the setup menu tab. |
| 15:04:13 | webguest59 | ? |
| 15:04:35 | bluebrother | Rockbox Utility has a System Info dialog in the About menu. |
| 15:04:47 | webguest59 | ok |
| 15:05:15 | bluebrother | what does it show as user permissions on windows? |
| 15:05:22 | webguest59 | what message do you want to know |
| 15:06:06 | webguest59 | i am using the ubuntu, |
| 15:06:35 | webguest59 | username is my pc's name? |
| 15:06:42 | bluebrother | ok, on linux it's a bit harder to tell. What does it show as username? |
| 15:07:26 | webguest59 | my pc's username:ddp |
| 15:07:43 | bluebrother | that should be your login name. |
| 15:07:57 | webguest59 | yes, it is |
| 15:08:08 | blkhawk | hey funman |
| 15:08:08 | bluebrother | Anyway, as this is your users login name and not root I bet you're missing the permissions for raw disc access. |
| 15:08:19 | blkhawk | you said something about a test of yours yesterday |
| 15:08:23 | bluebrother | please run rbutil from as root |
| 15:09:25 | webguest59 | i try |
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| 15:53:18 | ajkessel | Anyone around? I have a set of ogg files that play fine with vlc but not on latest rockbox. I was going to report a bug but Flyspray gives me a blank page after login. |
| 15:54:00 | n1s | ajkessel: how do they not play fine? |
| 15:54:10 | bluebrother | do the files have id3 tags? |
| 15:54:28 | ajkessel | rockbox skips through all of them instantly. I should also note that I don't seem to be able to play anything else after this happens; I have to reboot the device (iPod 5G). |
| 15:54:41 | ajkessel | Yes, they have id3 tags, but rockbox isn't showing them. |
| 15:54:48 | ajkessel | I.e., they don't appear in the database. |
| 15:55:12 | n1s | ajkessel: we don't support id3 tags in ogg files, you need to strip them for the files to work with rockbox |
| 15:55:20 | bluebrother | id3 tags in ogg files are illegal. |
| 15:55:30 | bluebrother | ogg has vorbis comments for that. |
| 15:55:30 | ajkessel | Oh, I misspoke. They are *tagged*, not sure if they are id3 tags. |
| 15:55:46 | ajkessel | On closer inspection, I think they are comments. (I misunderstood the question). |
| 15:55:48 | ajkessel | E.g.: |
| 15:56:19 | ajkessel | Vorbis headers parsed for stream 1, information follows... |
| 15:56:21 | ajkessel | Version: 0 |
| 15:56:23 | ajkessel | Vendor: Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20040629 (1.1.0 rc1) |
| 15:56:24 | ajkessel | Channels: 2 |
| 15:56:26 | ajkessel | Rate: 44100 |
| 15:56:27 | ajkessel | Nominal bitrate: 160.000000 kb/s |
| 15:56:29 | ajkessel | Upper bitrate not set |
| 15:56:31 | ajkessel | Lower bitrate not set |
| 15:56:32 | ajkessel | User comments section follows... |
| 15:56:34 | ajkessel | title=This My Town |
| 15:56:35 | ajkessel | artist=Eddie From Ohio |
| 15:56:37 | ajkessel | genre=Folk |
| 15:56:38 | ajkessel | date=1995 |
| 15:56:40 | ajkessel | album=I Rode Fido Home |
| 15:56:55 | bluebrother | ajkessel: don't do multiline pastes in this channel. Use a pastebin |
| 15:57:08 | funman | ajkessel: my sansa clip (incorrectly) doesn't recognize non upper case vorbis comments |
| 15:57:39 | bluebrother | you can check for id3v2 tags by looking at the first bytes of the file. |
| 15:58:11 | ajkessel | First three bytes are ID3; does that mean it does have id3 tags? |
| 15:58:26 | bluebrother | yes. |
| 15:58:45 | bluebrother | if you have a regular ogg container it's OggS (at least for my files) |
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| 15:59:09 | ajkessel | Is there a tool (linux or win32) that would fix that? |
| 15:59:11 | bluebrother | you can also have id3 and vorbis comments at the same time, still, id3 tags on ogg files are illegal and not supported |
| 15:59:26 | bluebrother | id3v2 −−delete-all |
| 16:00 |
| 16:00:16 | bluebrother | http://id3v2.sourceforge.net/ |
| 16:00:29 | bluebrother | on windows I assume foobar2000 to be able stripping id3 tags |
| 16:00:43 | ajkessel | Just grabbed it from Debian. After running, you're right, the first three bytes are OggS. Let me try that. |
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| 16:03:35 | ajkessel | Yup, that fixed it! Thanks, very helpful. Question −− is there any way rb could give a more informative error message? I understand these files were non-compliant, but they were once, long again, ripped with some standard linux tool (probably jack), which I assume has fixed its behavior since then. |
| 16:04:04 | bluebrother | grip added id3 tags per default at least several years ago |
| 16:05:02 | ajkessel | May have been grip, yes. |
| 16:06:14 | bluebrother | current version doesn't do that anymore. Anyway, just because a "standard" tool did it doesn't make it more correct. |
| 16:06:35 | bluebrother | problem is, how to give better error messages? You'd need to check every skipped file for all possible errors |
| 16:07:08 | bluebrother | which itself would add complexity, and is always likely to have another error case missing |
| 16:07:24 | funman | better scan your library for such corrupted files |
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| 16:08:01 | webguest13 | help me please |
| 16:08:07 | webguest13 | the question is |
| 16:08:11 | ajkessel | I would suggest giving *some* error message at least. Something like "skipping file for error." I mean, at some point, rb must be looking at the file sufficiently to figure out that it can't play it, right? I'm not defending grip or whatever tool broke the rules; just suggesting that skipping through doesn't give the user a clue what's going on, unless they've had this problem before and... |
| 16:08:12 | ajkessel | ...figured out what that behavior means. |
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| 16:08:44 | funman | that makes sense |
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| 16:09:42 | webguest13 | add the rockbox to my ipod mini, and have a message: failed to add bootloader |
| 16:09:46 | funman | nobody posts on the sansav2 forum thread, I have to edit my last post multiple times :'( |
| 16:10:08 | webguest13 | help |
| 16:10:09 | webguest13 | help |
| 16:10:27 | ajkessel | Anyway, thanks everyone for solving my problem so quickly! Signing off. |
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| 16:10:51 | webguest13 | my system info, the permission is admin |
| 16:11:07 | funman | webguest13: did you modify the ipod partitions ? |
| 16:11:17 | BigBambi | webguest13: People are reading, please stop just saying help |
| 16:11:26 | n1s | webguest13: is it fat formated? |
| 16:12:05 | webguest13 | sorry, Please explain that in detail |
| 16:12:12 | webguest13 | yes |
| 16:12:22 | bluebrother | webguest13: what OS are you using? XP? Are you using Rockbox Utility? |
| 16:12:32 | webguest13 | xp |
| 16:12:37 | webguest13 | yes |
| 16:13:12 | bluebrother | have you used the autodetection feature? Did it detect the Ipod correctly? |
| 16:13:46 | webguest13 | yes |
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| 16:14:42 | webguest13 | and dispay: disk H |
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| 16:15:02 | bluebrother | so the ipod does appear as drive in windows explorer. Is itunes running? |
| 16:15:34 | webguest13 | no,itunes is quit |
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| 16:17:06 | bluebrother | hmm. Interesting. Have you used the Bootloader installation from the Installation tab or the Quick Start? |
| 16:17:48 | webguest13 | the Installation tab |
| 16:19:17 | webguest13 | Download finished −−->>> failed to add Bootloader |
| 16:19:26 | bluebrother | Hmm. And the About / System Info dialog shows you admin permissions? |
| 16:19:36 | webguest13 | yes |
| 16:19:48 | bluebrother | have you installed any other 3rd party software on the Ipod, like IPL? |
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| 16:21:18 | webguest13 | oh, I am using the software: floola |
| 16:21:55 | webguest13 | but the ipod is reseted |
| 16:22:46 | bluebrother | what does "reseted" mean? |
| 16:23:57 | webguest13 | the ipod's reset function |
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| 16:25:09 | webguest13 | and i have formatted the disk,displayed in the windows, by the disk manager |
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| 16:26:35 | bluebrother | well, the Ipods reset functionality only resets the CPU. And formatting the Ipod doesn't clean up any modifications made to the firmware partition |
| 16:26:42 | bluebrother | (which you don't see in windows) |
| 16:26:55 | webguest13 | oh |
| 16:27:34 | webguest13 | so i must update the firmware? |
| 16:27:44 | bluebrother | if you want to get rid of everything you installed on the Ipod you need to use the restore functionality in Itunes (or use the manual restore as described in the wiki, this works similar in terms of firmware partition changes) |
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| 16:28:13 | bluebrother | well, I have no idea what you did to your Ipod. It might be necessary, but maybe not. |
| 16:28:40 | webguest13 | thanks anyway |
| 16:28:51 | webguest13 | bye |
| 16:29:37 | bluebrother | I'd manually restore the firmware partition and try again. |
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| 16:37:36 | Winkie | hmm, i still haven't been able to get album art working, anyone got rockbox on an ipod 5g with it working I can check my configuration against? |
| 16:38:05 | bluebrother | Winkie: have you checked the AlbumArt wiki page? |
| 16:38:22 | Winkie | bluebrother: i have, it may be my own stupidity though |
| 16:38:31 | Winkie | i'm retransferring stuff on now, so we'll see in a few mins |
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| 16:41:01 | Winkie | bluebrother: aha that worked, i guess i had screwed something up :) |
| 16:41:54 | piggz | #rockbox-community |
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| 16:45:02 | fml | bluebrother: hey! The first "error message" in the RBUtil, German, lacks a comma before "damit das Problem korrigiert werden kann" |
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| 16:49:00 | fml | domonoky: or are you the master of RBUtil? |
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| 16:49:38 | domonoky | there is no master of rbutil, but yes, i am one of the main rbutil devs. |
| 16:51:24 | fml | domonoky: could you the correct the German translation? |
| 16:52:58 | domonoky | i could, but perhaps you could also do it, and while you do it, update the rest of the german translation :-) |
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| 16:54:38 | fml | domonoky: I have no SVN commit rights. And I'm not doing it. I just started the newly installed 1.0.7 RBUtil (had 1.0.6 until now) and missed a comma. |
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| 16:55:43 | domonoky | you dont need commit right, i would happily accept a patch, or a updated german.ts file :-) |
| 16:56:06 | domonoky | s/german.ts/rbutil_de.ts/ |
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| 16:59:48 | kugel | funman: ping, I saw your forum post |
| 16:59:57 | kugel | a C version is definitely nice |
| 17:00 |
| 17:00:04 | funman | yep |
| 17:00:27 | funman | I rewrote my nand code in C but still no luck :/ |
| 17:00:50 | kugel | I wonder why you thought the resulting size of the inserted stuff would differ |
| 17:01:09 | funman | because of gcc |
| 17:01:24 | kugel | the stuff inserted is the same, isn't it? It's just the pc tool which is in C now |
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| 17:01:34 | funman | but its optimizations look efficient enough |
| 17:01:52 | funman | what is the pc tool ? |
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| 17:02:34 | kugel | uh, nevermind |
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| 17:02:44 | kugel | mkamsboot is the pc tool |
| 17:03:36 | kugel | stage1 is still asm, and stage2 is pretty small anyway |
| 17:03:50 | funman | well depends what you put in it :) |
| 17:04:05 | funman | I didn't put my buggy and not functional code in the patch |
| 17:04:21 | kugel | I imagine macros for usleep/msleep would be better |
| 17:04:27 | funman | % wc -l stage2.{c,h} |
| 17:04:27 | funman | 215 stage2.c |
| 17:04:27 | funman | 56 stage2.h |
| 17:04:36 | funman | macros ? |
| 17:04:42 | funman | do you mean inline functions ? |
| 17:04:59 | kugel | macros like USLEEP(x) |
| 17:05:33 | funman | and what would the macro look like? using functions reduce the whole size of the binary. |
| 17:06:16 | funman | but feel free to experiment with it and post improvements on flyspray and/or the forum |
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| 17:06:55 | kugel | hm |
| 17:07:10 | kugel | nah, if it's the same size as asm code, I guess it's just fine |
| 17:07:28 | funman | next improvement I think is make a list of buttons for each model, and modify the button code according to the model of the firmware being patched |
| 17:07:52 | kugel | good call! I wanted to find some buttons on my fuze |
| 17:07:54 | funman | I was thinking of using -DMODEL=E200 in the arm-elf-as command line |
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| 17:08:36 | funman | at the moment we miss informations on Fuze, C200 and M200 |
| 17:09:14 | kugel | well, I can help on the fuze |
| 17:09:20 | funman | thanks |
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| 17:09:43 | kugel | if you can assist me a bit (I haven't done such things ever before) |
| 17:09:43 | funman | A problem is that we can detect the model in mkamsboot, but I don't know how to pass this information to the Makefile |
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| 17:09:57 | funman | kugel: no problem |
| 17:10:07 | funman | did you run some code yet ? |
| 17:10:15 | kugel | no |
| 17:10:37 | funman | first step is try the patch to see if the led blinks or not |
| 17:10:58 | funman | this makes getting output from the code a bit easier than a 5s delay |
| 17:11:22 | kugel | you mean the patch with converting to C? |
| 17:11:26 | funman | then you can modify the stage2.c to blink conditionnally on a gpio check |
| 17:11:27 | kugel | on the tracker |
| 17:11:29 | funman | yes |
| 17:11:37 | funman | it's bug free |
| 17:11:48 | kugel | I count on that |
| 17:11:55 | kugel | what's supposed to happen without modifying? |
| 17:12:11 | funman | led blinks fastly during 1 second and then OF boots |
| 17:12:24 | kugel | there's a boot delay with blinking lcd, and after normal boot to oF? |
| 17:12:43 | funman | exactLY |
| 17:12:53 | kugel | ok |
| 17:13:28 | gevaerts | kugel: pong |
| 17:13:30 | kugel | funman: you could make a configure script, which edits the makefile accordingly to the model |
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| 17:13:44 | funman | kugel: that's the best solution I imagined so far |
| 17:13:57 | kugel | gevaerts: hey, I just wanted you to try FS #6800, as I remember you have a c200 |
| 17:14:05 | funman | a shell script which creates Makefile from a Makefile.in for example |
| 17:14:47 | * | gevaerts looks |
| 17:15:02 | kugel | gevaerts: Lambda did a test already, but still, feel free (and I like to get your opinion about the patch) |
| 17:15:37 | kugel | funman: Ok, let me try you code |
| 17:18:03 | funman | kugel: you want to remove the clip-specific button check in stage2.c |
| 17:18:04 | kugel | funman: hmm which -p number? |
| 17:18:20 | funman | cd utils/AMS/hacking; patch -p0 < |
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| 17:20:10 | kugel | funman: why do you export a static function in the header? |
| 17:20:38 | funman | I don't export it I declare it |
| 17:20:59 | funman | just to keep declarations away from the c file |
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| 17:22:10 | kugel | i don't really understand that coding style, but ok |
| 17:22:46 | kugel | funman: what to do now for patching a fuze.bin? |
| 17:23:13 | funman | modify INFILE= in Makefile and run make |
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| 17:23:26 | funman | then copy patched.bin as fuze.bin on your fuze root folder |
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| 17:23:45 | funman | kugel: this is purely cosmetics |
| 17:23:57 | soap | what's up with the wiki? |
| 17:24:09 | soap | Won't let me edit pages? It is sending me to the registration page? |
| 17:24:20 | funman | soap: you need to register |
| 17:24:26 | soap | no, I do not. |
| 17:24:39 | soap | I've been editing wiki pages for years. |
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| 17:25:58 | pixelma | login works for me, I just tried |
| 17:26:10 | funman | kugel: I think I'll include a README in my next patch :) |
| 17:26:19 | rebemo | Hello! Can you people tell me any possible reasons why don't the "Clix" wps's work? I downloaded the models: Aqua, Autumn, Brownstone, Nature and RedApple, and none of them work correctly! I've tried them many times, booted the nano several times and nothing seems to work! help please. :( |
| 17:26:21 | soap | I was going to pastebin the error message I was getting (and ASSuming was a twiki one, but it appears that this problem is due to a failed FireFox upgrade" |
| 17:26:24 | funman | oh there is one already |
| 17:26:25 | pixelma | soap: (after hitting "Edit") |
| 17:27:17 | soap | sorry about what appears to be a false alarm |
| 17:27:19 | funman | soap: does restarting Firefox help ? |
| 17:27:44 | kugel | funman: http://pastebin.ca/1212839 |
| 17:27:54 | soap | doesn't matter if it does. This is clearly a problem of Dave's, not a problem of Rockbox's |
| 17:28:17 | funman | /j #dave then :) |
| 17:28:32 | funman | kugel: :( try with other versions of fuze firmware |
| 17:28:42 | kugel | there's only 1 |
| 17:28:56 | mcuelenaere | could someone with knowledge of the Rockbox internal monochrome bitmap format take a look at FS #9424? |
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| 17:29:34 | funman | kugel: then you need to use 1 stage patcher |
| 17:29:41 | kugel | funman: remember that amsinfo also has problems with the fuze firmware? |
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| 17:30:03 | pixelma | rebemo: where did you get those from, rockbox-themes.org? If so, they are probably broken because they couldn't been updated for a while and WPS syntax changed since then |
| 17:30:14 | funman | yes, but amsinfo is very lazy on checking firmwares |
| 17:30:37 | rebemo | pixelma: http://www.rockbox-themes.org/temp/hatchinatore.zip |
| 17:31:16 | rebemo | Ok.. is it possible that they will work in the future or..? |
| 17:31:27 | kugel | funman: what to do to use 1 stage patcher? |
| 17:31:28 | funman | kugel: daniel_at posted a code snippet to check buttons on gpio on the wiki (linked to from the forum |
| 17:31:43 | kugel | can I succesfully patch the firmware first please? |
| 17:31:46 | funman | kugel: svn revert . -R # use original mkamsboot / test.S |
| 17:32:50 | funman | hopefully further tests on e200 will give us more room for our code, but we need testers |
| 17:33:24 | kugel | funman: is this normal? original firmware entry point: 0x00000138 |
| 17:33:26 | kugel | New entry point: 0x0001ddb0 |
| 17:34:01 | funman | yes |
| 17:34:18 | pixelma | rebemo: yes, possible as the ones you mentioned seem to be released with a license that allows modifications (so someone would be allowed to upload a fixed version). You could also try to fix them yourself, or try other themes, I guess some in the Rockbox wiki are more up to date |
| 17:34:31 | funman | 1ddb0 is the entry point of our code, which will jump to 0x138 after being executed |
| 17:35:35 | kugel | funman: if the your patch doesn't work on a fuze, I suppose it's bugged |
| 17:35:40 | funman | nope |
| 17:35:51 | funman | it just means there isn't enough room in your firmware file |
| 17:36:09 | funman | oh WAIT before flashing |
| 17:36:34 | funman | the mkamsboot.c in SVN will produce a bricking firmware, and not abort in the process like my patch does |
| 17:36:51 | funman | the new padded size must be identical to the original firmware padded size |
| 17:37:27 | rebemo | Pixelma: Thanks for the info! I quess i'm not talented enough to modify them myself, so i leave that for the pro's. And BTW: sorry for the possible typos, i'm from Finland and not really good in english... :( |
| 17:38:09 | kugel | funman: patched.bin has exactly the same size as the original file |
| 17:38:11 | funman | kugel: there is 84 bytes available for the 1st stage code in your firmware, and with my patch the 1st stage is 144 bytes, so it just doesn't fit |
| 17:38:37 | funman | kugel: then it's ok, but when you modify the test.S make sure its always the case |
| 17:38:50 | kugel | man |
| 17:38:58 | funman | or add abort(); or similar in mkamsboot.c when it does memmove(....) because this is incorrect |
| 17:39:59 | kugel | Now I'm afraid to update the firmware |
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| 17:40:24 | pixelma | rebemo: it's not that hard to fix them (well I might be a bit biased)... and no reason to be sorry, your English reads fine and is perfectly understandable and I'm not a native speaker myself and all can make mistakes ;) |
| 17:40:32 | funman | if the size doesn't change (that means if mkamsboot.c doesn't move data around) there should be no problem |
| 17:41:30 | kugel | where's the code inserted? |
| 17:41:59 | funman | at the end of the firmware block, between the end of the firmware's code and the next 0x200 offset |
| 17:42:20 | funman | which means available room varies between firmware versions |
| 17:42:40 | kugel | can I disassemble both firmware files and check the diff? |
| 17:42:49 | funman | sure |
| 17:43:12 | funman | you can use dd if=fuze.bin of=firmware.bin bs=512 skip=2 count=256 |
| 17:43:40 | rebemo | Pixelma: Thank you for being encouraging. :) |
| 17:43:52 | funman | it will copy too much data, but you don't care |
| 17:44:07 | funman | latest firmware is 01.01.11 for Fuze according to sansa forums |
| 17:44:07 | kugel | funman: why would I want to do that? |
| 17:44:18 | kugel | funman: 1.01.11 is the ONLY firmware |
| 17:44:34 | funman | kugel: to skip the firmware file header, which isn't code |
| 17:45:24 | funman | kugel: they describe it as an update, so there must be older firmwares (maybe not easily accessible) |
| 17:46:54 | funman | maybe the first version can only be found on some players, and not downloaded |
| 17:47:24 | kugel | i can't find any trace of an older version |
| 17:48:08 | wpyh | gevaerts: how can I help in porting to the M3? I was away for some time |
| 17:48:19 | wpyh | kugel: I've managed to shuffle the menus around a bit :) |
| 17:48:20 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: Regarding FS #9424, I don't know anything about the font format, but mono bitmaps are stored with 8 bytes per byte, representing a vertical column of 8 pixels. The LSB is (I think) the top pixel. |
| 17:48:32 | kugel | wpyh: nice |
| 17:48:36 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: I meant "8 pixels per byte" |
| 17:49:01 | wpyh | maybe I'll post a patch in the tracker −− I wonder if anyone is interested? |
| 17:49:35 | gevaerts | wpyh: current status is that on the m6sl we can read the lcd driver id, but I didn't manage to get that to work on m6sp yet. After that we want to actually display things, but we haven't had any luck there either |
| 17:49:44 | j6 | wpyh: what did you do? |
| 17:50:17 | mcuelenaere | linuxstb: hmm so I guess I need to somehow read these mono bitmaps in as vertical columns and transform them to a horizontal column format? |
| 17:50:42 | wpyh | gevaerts: ok... that means it's still a bit out of my reach... |
| 17:50:44 | kugel | funman: http://pastebin.ca/1212855 |
| 17:50:50 | wpyh | j6: I modified the settings menu |
| 17:51:25 | wpyh | I haven't completely done what I wanted to do −− make it more user friendly −− but I've at least put some sound settings into a submenu "Advanced Sound Settings" |
| 17:51:29 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: I don't understand how the code can currently work - it should be implementing the lcd_mono_bitmap() (and lcd_bitmap()) functions, which the Rockbox wps/font code will just call directly. |
| 17:51:35 | kugel | funman: looks fine for me, but I'm not sure about the last hunk |
| 17:52:17 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: I assume you are saying that it manages to currently draws text without using Rockbox's font drawing code? |
| 17:52:32 | mcuelenaere | linuxstb: the WPS editor is designed so the "framebuffer" is actually a Qt pixmap and all LCD operations are Qt draw operations |
| 17:52:45 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: That sounds fine... |
| 17:52:48 | funman | kugel: it's fine. From 0x0 to 0x400 it's the header, and the very last word is a checksum |
| 17:53:16 | mcuelenaere | linuxstb: IMHO this sounds a bit like a workaround |
| 17:53:37 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: What is a workaround? Using a Qt pixmap? |
| 17:53:44 | kugel | funman: that matches with my thoughts, good :) |
| 17:53:45 | mcuelenaere | and the result will always differ between the device and WPS editor |
| 17:54:00 | mcuelenaere | linuxstb: yes, and re-implementing all Rockbox LCD drawing functions |
| 17:54:10 | mcuelenaere | like lcd_putsxy() etc |
| 17:54:32 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: Ah, that sounds wrong. It should be reimplementing the lower-level functions such as lcd_update_rect() |
| 17:54:56 | mcuelenaere | yes, that's my opinion too |
| 17:55:05 | mcuelenaere | but krz implemented this differently |
| 17:55:14 | linuxstb | Hmm, that needs fixing then. |
| 17:55:38 | * | mcuelenaere thinks WPS editor needs a lot of fixing.. |
| 17:55:55 | linuxstb | The complication is that the "mid-level" LCD functions such as lcd_putsxy are target-specific. |
| 17:56:22 | mcuelenaere | you mean the underlying lcd_xx calls are target-specific? |
| 17:56:52 | mcuelenaere | or does lcd_putsxy differ between lcd-16bit and the others? |
| 17:56:53 | linuxstb | Yes. They are specific to the LCD framebuffer format, and also use LCD_WIDTH and LCD_HEIGHT as constants. |
| 17:57:07 | kugel | funman: patched.bin is working |
| 17:57:16 | funman | :) |
| 17:57:26 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: Maybe not that specific function, although most of the others do - such as lcd_bitmap() and lcd_mono_bitmap() |
| 17:57:26 | mcuelenaere | that's not a really big problem, since every 'virtual' target is compiled as a dynamic library |
| 17:57:31 | kugel | the 5s delay one ofc |
| 17:57:39 | funman | now you need some code to check the gpio mapping |
| 17:58:22 | kugel | would it fit? your blink code is apparently already too big |
| 17:58:35 | funman | yes |
| 17:59:34 | mcuelenaere | another thing I'm wondering about is: how should lcd_puts_scroll() be implemented? should we implement some kind of mini-kernel or use the host OS threading functionality or .. ? |
| 17:59:39 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: I think that lib would need to export a "struct screen screens[NB_SCREENS]". The WPS drawing code draws everything via function pointers in that struct (or it should...) |
| 17:59:49 | mcuelenaere | lib already does that |
| 18:00 |
| 18:00:00 | mcuelenaere | but all those function pointers point to the ones implemented in GUI |
| 18:00:32 | mcuelenaere | including lcd_putsxy |
| 18:00:48 | linuxstb | OK, so they need to start using the code in firmware/ instead. |
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| 18:01:14 | mcuelenaere | problem is: all those functions edit the internal framebuffer |
| 18:01:15 | linuxstb | With (I think), just lcd_update_rect implemented as a Qt function |
| 18:01:27 | blkhawk | !afaiktoit Christopher Paolini - [Inheritance 03] - Brisingr (v5.0) (html).rar |
| 18:01:29 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: Yes, the lib needs to contain a framebuffer. |
| 18:01:33 | mcuelenaere | ah, you're thinking of having two buffers? |
| 18:01:33 | blkhawk | whoops |
| 18:02:15 | mcuelenaere | hmm in that case a lot of code will need to get changed |
| 18:02:15 | funman | kugel: let me write a test for you |
| 18:02:16 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: There should be the equivalent of "lcd_framebuffer" - this is the buffer the Rockbox LCD functions manipulate. lcd_update_rect() should copy from that buffer to the Qt pixmap. |
| 18:02:37 | mcuelenaere | yes, like ordinary targets do in firmware/target or simulators |
| 18:02:42 | kugel | funman: ok |
| 18:04:01 | linuxstb | mcuelenaere: Yes. If only krz was around here more often in the summer... |
| 18:04:37 | mcuelenaere | speaking of him, has he showed up lately or is he too busy? |
| 18:05:41 | linuxstb | I haven't noticed, but then I haven't been following this channel closely recently. |
| 18:07:02 | mcuelenaere | me neither |
| 18:07:43 | funman | kugel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/51710/ |
| 18:08:52 | funman | you just have to run 32 different tests, and power on/off your devices X times for each test (where X is the number of buttons you have) |
| 18:09:35 | funman | also don't forget you can test the power, hold, and usb buttons if you power your device over usb instead of with the power button |
| 18:10:43 | funman | kugel: I don't see any infinite loop in the code, so it should be safe |
| 18:11:24 | funman | also, it should be possible to put a blink procedure in the code (it's not that big) |
| 18:12:06 | funman | 56 bytes :/ |
| 18:13:32 | kugel | so, like 32^8 checks :S |
| 18:13:53 | funman | 32*8 |
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| 18:14:42 | kugel | ah right |
| 18:14:51 | kugel | facepalm :) |
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| 18:16:02 | kugel | funman: why only the 3 over usb? |
| 18:16:26 | funman | because it's the only easy way to match them |
| 18:16:50 | funman | to match the center button, power one time without pressing it, one time with pressing it |
| 18:16:57 | funman | to test power, one time with power, one time with usb |
| 18:17:12 | funman | and for hold, it's the same button than power on the clip |
| 18:17:46 | kugel | so it's on fuze |
| 18:18:27 | kugel | well not the same, but switch has 3 positions (normal, hold and power) |
| 18:18:38 | funman | but if you release the power button fast enough you can match it without usb (but it's very error prone) |
| 18:18:44 | funman | kugel: yes it's the same |
| 18:18:45 | kugel | while you need to hold power for ~2s to make it active |
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| 18:27:31 | markun | wpyh: you also have a Meizu M3 right? |
| 18:27:42 | kugel | funman: so, how do I need to test exactly? |
| 18:27:59 | funman | power up the device, notice no delay |
| 18:28:01 | funman | power it off |
| 18:28:09 | funman | power it up while pressing a button, check for a delay |
| 18:28:39 | kugel | yea, I mean after I did one test (with all buttons) |
| 18:29:02 | funman | change TEST_PIN and/or TEST_GPIO |
| 18:29:02 | kugel | I need to edit test.S and update the firmware between each test, or? |
| 18:29:06 | funman | yes |
| 18:29:12 | kugel | what to edit exactly? |
| 18:29:31 | funman | define TEST_GPIO to GPIO(A/B/C/D) |
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| 18:29:39 | funman | TEST_PIN is commented |
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| 18:30:01 | funman | there is 8 bits on each of the 4 gpio registers |
| 18:30:14 | kugel | so, e.g. change the line to .set TEST_PING, (0x04*(1<<5)) |
| 18:30:40 | starnoble | Could someone please clerify something for me? |
| 18:31:14 | funman | exact |
| 18:31:19 | funman | exactly* |
| 18:31:25 | * | funman looks BigBambi |
| 18:31:36 | pixelma | starnoble: that question is impossible to answer (without the actual question) ;) |
| 18:31:41 | starnoble | I have an iPod 5th Gen, and I saw that 5.5th gen was supported but not sure about 5th gen? |
| 18:31:44 | kugel | funman: ok, what does line 16 mean? (@.set TEST_PIN,(0x04*(0xff)) |
| 18:32:14 | funman | it will test every bits of one gpio port, but won't tell you exactly which bit changed |
| 18:32:21 | Nico_P | starnoble: 5th gen is ok |
| 18:32:40 | funman | you can use it on each gpio to see if it has some button connected to it, and then to finer testing for each pin |
| 18:32:41 | kugel | starnoble: any ipod gen from 1st through 5.5th, which includes 5th |
| 18:32:45 | wpyh | markun: yes |
| 18:32:58 | wpyh | I have an M3 and an M6SP |
| 18:33:05 | starnoble | oh ok |
| 18:33:37 | starnoble | And should I be able to do the complete install process, as I am blind? I've never changed the iPod fermware before other than just updating it in iTunes. |
| 18:33:50 | kugel | funman: I don't understand, sorry |
| 18:34:18 | starnoble | I'm using a screen reader on the computer to read me everything. So I'm just wondering if the Rockbox fermware install process is screen reader accessible? |
| 18:35:02 | bluebrother | starnoble: are you on windows? |
| 18:35:22 | starnoble | I am on Mac os X, but I do have Windows running in a virtual machine. |
| 18:36:09 | starnoble | So I can do it either way. mac or Windows way. |
| 18:36:13 | bluebrother | I'm not sure about the accessibility of Rockbox Utility on mac −− no dev is actively working on mac os, so this is completely untested. |
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| 18:36:37 | bluebrother | on windows there is support for screenreaders, but unfortunately Qt (the used toolkit, not quicktime) has issues with screenreaders. |
| 18:36:52 | funman | kugel: well if you use this value a TEST_PIN, you will have a delay if ANY of the 8 bits is set to #1 |
| 18:37:09 | starnoble | Oh so the mac app isn't coaco complient? |
| 18:37:16 | bluebrother | I bet the easiest way in your case would be to use the manual installation −− it's basically running ipodpatcher and extracting the build zip file to the player |
| 18:37:16 | funman | so if you have no delay when testing all the buttons, that means no button is mapped to this particular gpio register |
| 18:37:30 | funman | if you notice a delay, you will have to test each pin 1 by 1 to know the exact mapping |
| 18:37:41 | bluebrother | starnoble: as far as I know Qt uses cocoa internally. But I don't know as I have no experience on the mac. |
| 18:37:50 | kugel | ah ok, sounds reasonable |
| 18:38:10 | Puh` | now I have tested Rockbox on my iPod and it seems its nearly unpossible to access Podcasts like with the original firmware |
| 18:38:11 | starnoble | Well I suppose I could allways jsut run the app and see if the gui reads before doing the actual update. |
| 18:38:32 | kugel | funman: what does the @ mean (I'm not too familiar with asm code, I just read about instructions in the arm manual up to now) |
| 18:38:55 | funman | comment, like // in C++ |
| 18:39:01 | Puh` | Videopodcasts I didn't found anyway |
| 18:39:03 | kugel | ah yea, I expected that |
| 18:39:21 | bluebrother | starnoble: yes. It would be nice to have reports how good / bad it works on mac anyway. |
| 18:40:02 | starnoble | Are tere any menus I need to go to on the actual iPod to be able to apply this update? or can I do it all from the computer side? |
| 18:40:20 | starnoble | Since I'll need the speaking menus to be able to use the iPod successfully. |
| 18:40:35 | bluebrother | if you have sighted help you can also create voice files and talk files using Rockbox Utility. Unfortunately there's a bug in the latest release on windows preventing SAPI voices to work |
| 18:41:03 | Puh` | could it be the programmers of Rockbox don't like podcasts? Or why they haven't any support for that like in the original firmware? |
| 18:41:08 | bluebrother | you don't need to do anything special on the Ipod. It only needs to be in disc mode (and you need to make sure no other application is exclusively locking it, like itunes likes to do) |
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| 18:41:29 | bluebrother | Puh`: a podcast is only an mp3 file (or other format) |
| 18:41:32 | starnoble | Should I format the harddrive before doing this? As I have some files on it from iTunes. |
| 18:41:37 | Puh` | The Navigartion in the Database hangs often |
| 18:41:42 | bluebrother | there's nothing special about podcasts from a players point of view |
| 18:42:08 | bluebrother | starnoble: there's no need to do so. If you haven't installed other software (like ipodlinux) there shouldn't be a problem. |
| 18:42:12 | Puh` | Navigation in org. Firmware is much faster |
| 18:42:30 | bluebrother | Puh`: are you loading the database to RAM? Do you have a lot of files in that "section"? |
| 18:42:36 | starnoble | Hmm if sapi voices don't work in Windows is there still another way to do the voice tags? |
| 18:42:37 | linuxstb | starnoble: Another complication is that you need to convert your ipod to "Windows" (FAT32) format (assuming it's currently in Mac format) |
| 18:42:38 | bluebrother | I bet it's only a performance issue |
| 18:42:46 | Puh` | yes |
| 18:42:51 | Puh` | Ram by default |
| 18:42:53 | bluebrother | starnoble: sure: use the previous version (1.0.6) |
| 18:42:58 | Puh` | yes, many files |
| 18:43:03 | wpyh | does anyone notice funny names being used for wiki registration lately? |
| 18:43:05 | Puh` | its an 80GB iPod |
| 18:43:15 | bluebrother | Puh`: "Load to RAM" is *not* the default for the database. Plus, you need to reboot after enabling that setting. |
| 18:43:37 | kugel | funman: Ok. So, I will test each of the four GPIOs with the "general" test_pin (with each button), and then investigate the particular GPIOs further if I notice a delay |
| 18:43:44 | Puh` | Load to Ram is by default ON |
| 18:43:45 | funman | exact |
| 18:43:51 | pixelma | bluebrother, starnoble: there is one thing - the Ipod's disk needs to have an FAT32 file system and if you used the Ipod on a Mac before it is possibly not |
| 18:43:57 | linuxstb | wpyh: I guess that's a result of all our recent publicity. But as long as no-one gives them write rights, it's harmless. |
| 18:44:03 | funman | I think on gpiod you'll find nothing |
| 18:44:09 | bluebrother | pixelma: ah, good point. I tend to overlook that ... |
| 18:44:15 | Puh` | I have made no change on the settings |
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| 18:44:25 | Puh` | only Language and Theme |
| 18:44:27 | funman | kugel: please put your findings on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaV2HardwareMappings |
| 18:44:31 | starnoble | so I need to install iTunes on Windows vm to do this? |
| 18:44:33 | kugel | funman: sure |
| 18:44:50 | wpyh | linuxstb: I don't mean to be pedantic here, but shouldn't they be unregistered? |
| 18:45:01 | wpyh | (it's against the rules to register using a fake name) |
| 18:45:16 | linuxstb | starnoble: That's the simple way. "manual" instructions are here - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32 |
| 18:45:24 | bluebrother | Puh`: this is nonsense. Load to RAM is per default *disabled*. I just checked it again (against 3.0RC) |
| 18:45:39 | bluebrother | so I really bet you haven't loaded the database to RAM |
| 18:45:41 | linuxstb | wpyh: Fake names are cleaned occasionally. One of the three Swedes (Bagder/Zagor/LinusN) needs to do it. |
| 18:45:58 | Puh` | I think i have seen it on, ok, i could fail |
| 18:46:12 | Tuplanolla | at least on e200 it's off |
| 18:46:31 | wpyh | linuxstb: ah, ok then :) |
| 18:46:55 | amiconn | domonoky: ping |
| 18:47:05 | Puh` | the problem on Podcasts is, they are mixed with the other Music |
| 18:47:13 | pixelma | starnoble: and for everyday use, Itunes on the Mac can get along with FAT32 Ipods as well. It would make the conversion easier maybe (as linuxstb said) |
| 18:47:27 | funman | Puh`: you can put them in a separate folder if you wish |
| 18:47:34 | Puh` | and they are not sort by Date |
| 18:47:35 | domonoky | amiconn: pong |
| 18:47:38 | linuxstb | Puh`: You could simply copy them to a separate folder, and place a "database.ignore" file in there, so the database ignores them. |
| 18:47:50 | linuxstb | Puh`: They are if you name the files by date, or enable the "sort by date" option |
| 18:48:17 | Puh` | no, i dont want to change anything, because i want using iTunes to manage |
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| 18:48:34 | amiconn | domonoky: I'm not sure whether you already noticed, but the return values from sapi_voice.vbs (stdout of the script, stdin for voice.pl resp. rbutil) are also in utf-16le now |
| 18:49:08 | Puh` | and if I want to copy them, I habe to change the harddrive to ann bigger one |
| 18:49:17 | Puh` | i have only 20GB free |
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| 18:49:33 | Puh` | My Podcasts are much more than 20 GB |
| 18:49:43 | domonoky | amiconn: the only place where rbutil really needs the output, is the voice names.. and they seem to work... |
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| 18:50:19 | amiconn | Ah ok. Perhaps qt does some automagic detection... |
| 18:50:21 | Puh` | I try playing a Videofile and it hangs on |
| 18:50:40 | Puh` | seems there are a bug |
| 18:50:49 | kugel | funman: what's the progress on extending the firmware? |
| 18:50:54 | Puh` | äh is a bug |
| 18:51:16 | funman | kugel: we have ideas but need tests on recoverable device (e200) |
| 18:52:03 | kugel | funman: I wonder if it's possible to implement our bootloader as a library block |
| 18:52:29 | funman | there are some drawbacks |
| 18:52:42 | funman | one of them being that we run our code in an already initialized environment |
| 18:52:54 | funman | another being that we don't know a lot about library blocks |
| 18:52:55 | kugel | sure, the OF enviroment is loaded, but it'd be a start |
| 18:53:03 | Puh` | When there is a blue Point before "in Ram laden" then is the Feature on or off? |
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| 18:53:33 | kugel | Puh`: afaik the blue dot only means that it's a yes/no setting |
| 18:53:51 | Puh` | aaah |
| 18:53:52 | starnoble | Hmm the instructions say there is a risk to writing the partition table to the iPod? So formatting it in iTunes in Windows would be the safest way to go about this? |
| 18:53:58 | Puh` | ok, |
| 18:54:13 | kugel | Puh`: Also, try to use the english language when coming up with questions to specific settings |
| 18:54:21 | Puh` | i thougt it means the feature is on |
| 18:54:30 | Puh` | ok |
| 18:55:52 | bluebrother | no. All setting values are in a sub menu |
| 18:56:29 | bluebrother | no settings are shown inline (though there was a patch for this like two years ago which I really liked) |
| 18:57:57 | Puh` | thanks |
| 18:58:02 | Puh` | now its much faster |
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| 18:58:20 | Puh` | but how i find my Videos and my Videopodcasts? |
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| 18:58:38 | Puh` | It seems they are not in the Database |
| 18:58:41 | markun | wpyh: you could ask 'denes' for his code which can display something on the M3 screen. Then you can try to continue with other stuff. |
| 18:58:53 | markun | or maybe work on the LCD code on the M6SP |
| 18:59:05 | wpyh | markun: ok |
| 18:59:06 | wpyh | :) |
| 18:59:09 | kugel | Puh`: videos are never in the database. For podcasts, have you looked under <untagged>? |
| 18:59:23 | wpyh | where is he from? |
| 18:59:39 | Puh` | yes |
| 18:59:50 | Puh` | but dont find my videopodcasts |
| 19:00 |
| 19:00:00 | kugel | yes, videos are never in the database |
| 19:00:06 | Puh` | hmpf |
| 19:00:10 | linuxstb | Puh`: For video playback you will want to use Apple's firmware. Rockbox doesn't use the hardware video decoder chip in the video ipod, so doesn't perform as well. It also doesn't play the same video format as the Apple firmware. |
| 19:00:10 | Puh` | why not? |
| 19:00:12 | kugel | you'll browse through the filesystem |
| 19:00:13 | bluebrother | kugel: didn't you say that before? |
| 19:00:21 | kugel | bluebrother: I think so, yes :) |
| 19:00:41 | Puh` | oh |
| 19:00:45 | * | bluebrother gets annoyed by Puh` not listening and pulls the FAQ |
| 19:00:50 | Puh` | thanks linuxstb |
| 19:00:52 | markun | wpyh: hungary |
| 19:01:01 | wpyh | hm... ok |
| 19:02:51 | * | bluebrother just did a larger commit |
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| 19:03:09 | kugel | funman: your paste was the whole file, as in copy all, and fully replace test.S with it, right? |
| 19:03:30 | * | Puh` gets annoyed on people they thougt everyone should read a 100Page Instruction and FAQ and FORUM and WIKI before he can ask a Question in Chat, what is much faster |
| 19:04:08 | ze | Puh`: its much faster for you to browse through some docs than for devs to personally answer 1000 people who didn't bother |
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| 19:05:10 | funman | kugel: right |
| 19:05:17 | kugel | Puh`: that docs answer all your questions, including potentially future ones |
| 19:05:19 | funman | did I brick your fuze ? :o |
| 19:05:26 | kugel | No |
| 19:05:34 | * | funman stops sweating |
| 19:05:35 | kugel | I haven't started |
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| 19:05:51 | Puh` | thanks, but I have seen enough of Rockbox and dont want to use it anymore |
| 19:06:02 | funman | then see you |
| 19:06:13 | Puh` | I will write about it in my blog |
| 19:06:19 | starnoble | Isn't Rockbox good? |
| 19:06:22 | funman | I'll provide you with paid support if you want fast answers without reading docs |
| 19:06:51 | bluebrother | Puh`: you're aware that the time required answering your questions is less time devs have for development? |
| 19:07:13 | Puh` | Rockbox isnt a replacement for the orignal Firmware |
| 19:07:16 | * | linuxstb thinks ze said it all, and there's no need to say more |
| 19:07:27 | starnoble | Yes I know that. |
| 19:07:32 | * | bluebrother agrees with linuxstb and ze and shuts up |
| 19:07:35 | kugel | Puh`: I'll provide paid support as well, and I take even 1€ less than funman! |
| 19:07:44 | starnoble | I am completely blind, so the speaking menus would help me a lot. |
| 19:08:00 | Puh` | it seems it is only for Music, not for MEDIA |
| 19:08:04 | funman | kugel: not if i'm .5€ per question :) |
| 19:08:15 | Puh` | iPod is more than Music its a MEDIA-Player |
| 19:08:23 | bluebrother | starnoble: well, that heavily depends on you. I wouldn't want to buy a player anymore that's not supported by Rockbox |
| 19:08:26 | funman | Puh`: you can help improving this free project |
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| 19:08:33 | linuxstb | Puh`: It simply depends on what features you want - Apple's firmware and Rockbox have different feature sets. Many people prefer Rockbox, but you obviously don't... |
| 19:08:33 | kugel | Puh`: you can watch videos and photos on rockbox |
| 19:08:49 | Puh` | Rockbox is only a Musicplayer and little bit of funny toy |
| 19:08:51 | j6 | Puh` is a whiny blogger |
| 19:08:52 | bluebrother | kugel: sssh! |
| 19:08:54 | kugel | it's just the OF does it better as of now |
| 19:09:24 | kugel | bluebrother: oops :) |
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| 19:09:39 | * | kugel stops trying to convince Puh` of rockbox |
| 19:09:46 | J-23 | I found AS3525 datasheet from 6 July 2007. Does anybody know if it's legal or not? |
| 19:09:46 | Puh` | Bye |
| 19:09:47 | starnoble | Nod mine is a iPod Classic 5th Gen. So as far as I can tell it shoul work. |
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| 19:10:08 | linuxstb | starnoble: The "ipod classic" and "ipod 5th gen" are two different things. |
| 19:10:18 | starnoble | oh. well it is the 5th gen |
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| 19:10:35 | starnoble | I verified it by the serial number on Apple's web site |
| 19:10:52 | starnoble | 30 gb |
| 19:10:57 | J-23 | every page of that document has text "Confidental". |
| 19:11:05 | funman | J-23: no, but that's a problem for whoever made it available |
| 19:11:30 | funman | J-23: if this forbids you from properly reading it I can give you legal ways of obtaining a clean one |
| 19:11:50 | funman | J-23: what is the version of the datasheet you got ? 1 or 12 ? |
| 19:11:58 | J-23 | 1.12 |
| 19:12:16 | funman | I found the same but couldn't find the download again when looking for it :) |
| 19:12:17 | * | J-23 prepares for rm -f |
| 19:12:31 | funman | the 'legal' datasheet I have is v1 however |
| 19:12:35 | funman | I didn't look yet at the differences |
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| 19:14:34 | starnoble | Can someone tell me what the best way to go about this would be? I heard there are a lot of bugs in 3.0, and I saw that updating the partiion directly is risky. |
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| 19:15:05 | starnoble | And someone said that sapi doesn't work in Windows with the Rockbox tool, which is a problem for me being completely blind who needs the speaking menus to work. |
| 19:15:30 | funman | starnoble: depends your device and which 3.0 features you need |
| 19:15:47 | * | BigBambi loves "I heard" and "someone said" type things |
| 19:15:52 | starnoble | playig of music, reading the menus, speaking the filenames. |
| 19:16:34 | kugel | funman: we can't place code in the header, do we? |
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| 19:16:38 | starnoble | I can't see to play games and such things, so only the player features would be good for me. |
| 19:16:52 | funman | kugel: no |
| 19:17:18 | funman | starnoble: ah I thought you had a previous rockbox version already installed |
| 19:17:32 | starnoble | no I don't have any Rockbox right now. Just regular iPod software. |
| 19:17:50 | starnoble | But the thumb wheel is annoying me, I have a hard tiem finding particular files. |
| 19:18:04 | funman | it's not "risky", you can easily recover in case something goes wrong (and it should go right) |
| 19:18:27 | kugel | funman: Ok, gonna test GPIOA now |
| 19:18:47 | funman | bugs, sure there are some, but just like in every software, nothing preventing normal use |
| 19:19:07 | starnoble | do you know if Rockbox can speak the battery status? |
| 19:19:29 | kugel | funman: how much time do I have between turning on and pressing the button? |
| 19:19:35 | funman | I only know that if the battery is empty it won't be able to do anything ;) |
| 19:19:40 | starnoble | Like if it's half way full, allmost dead, stuff like that? |
| 19:20:05 | funman | kugel: start pressing the button before turning your fuze on |
| 19:20:05 | webguest | Does anybody know if the Griffin iTrip works with an iPod Video? If I change the Accessory Power Supply from No to Yes the LCD highlights very light bud doen't show the frequency as it does in the origignal OS. |
| 19:20:27 | linuxstb | starnoble: Yes, it can. For speaking menus, you just need to download a "voice file" which the rockbox utility can do for you, you only need to generate "talk clips" yourself - these are clips which speak filenames to you. |
| 19:20:28 | funman | starnoble: I never used rockbox, but other people might know |
| 19:20:32 | kugel | funman: I have delay on GPIOA without pressing anything |
| 19:20:34 | * | wpyh wonders what lowlatency_callback really is |
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| 19:20:59 | funman | kugel: try releasing quickly the power button to be sure no button is pressed |
| 19:21:12 | kugel | did, I also tried with powering through usb |
| 19:21:12 | funman | ~0.5s should be enough |
| 19:21:22 | kugel | tried 0.1s ;)= |
| 19:21:42 | funman | kugel: then try each bit one by one, there is some bits which are always set |
| 19:21:49 | starnoble | can someoen give me a url to iTunes? I can't seem to find the download link for it on Apple's site. |
| 19:21:58 | funman | kugel: did you try powering it with usb ? |
| 19:22:08 | kugel | Yes |
| 19:22:18 | funman | on clip, power and usb are both on gpioa |
| 19:22:36 | linuxstb | starnoble: http://www.apple.com/itunes/download/ |
| 19:23:04 | linuxstb | starnoble: But the site probably tries to detect your operating system, so do this from your Windows VM, not your Mac |
| 19:23:27 | starnoble | so after I format the iPod in Windows I can do the Rockbox bit from the mac os? |
| 19:23:35 | linuxstb | Yes |
| 19:23:43 | * | funman swears he will contribute to accessible softwares when he becomes blind |
| 19:24:12 | funman | fuze looks like a bigger clip |
| 19:25:21 | funman | with sd & video support |
| 19:25:47 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 19:25:48 | funman | microsd* |
| 19:25:55 | kugel | funman: well, also delay with both powering through button&usb on GPOIB |
| 19:26:39 | funman | I deleted today my complete tests of all gpios on clip |
| 19:27:00 | funman | but I do remember some (especially on gpioc) bits were always set to #1 |
| 19:27:30 | kugel | so, the general test_pin is likely not to be useful at all? |
| 19:29:37 | funman | maybe .. :) |
| 19:29:49 | funman | I didn't use it, I went directly to the hard path |
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| 19:38:16 | funman | \o fragilematter |
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| 19:49:14 | kugel | funman: if I have delay with both USB and power button, I can safely assume the pin is #1 by default and skip the button tests, right? |
| 19:49:40 | funman | yes |
| 19:49:52 | funman | write it somewhere though, it may be useful |
| 19:50:14 | funman | in clip & e200, C1 is the value we put in bit3 of "ccu spare register" |
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| 19:59:12 | kugel | funman: Yea, I'll write a table |
| 19:59:41 | kugel | The wheel movement is a button too, right?? |
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| 20:00:47 | funman | no idea :/ |
| 20:00:57 | funman | other devs might know how it's implemented on other targets |
| 20:01:00 | fragilematter | it should be, on v1s it is |
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| 20:02:53 | kugel | fragilematter: You noticed I'm at GPIO tests on my fuze |
| 20:03:22 | fragilematter | kugel: great! |
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| 20:13:26 | blkhawk | is it just me or is MTP mode just causing more touble than its worth on the original sansa FW? |
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| 20:17:42 | funman | I never used mtp |
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| 20:20:41 | Mitchel | hello I want buy an mp3player the ansa e280 has someone experience? |
| 20:23:12 | Mitchel | with that player? |
| 20:24:14 | kugel | fragilematter, funman: no button on GPIOB |
| 20:25:15 | amiconn | domonoky: I wonder whether rbutil could optionally put the flash rom images for archos flashing onto the device? |
| 20:25:26 | Mitchel | is that an answer on my question? |
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| 20:25:32 | amiconn | (once they're updated, that is) |
| 20:25:34 | funman | 3 others to go :) |
| 20:25:53 | funman | Mitchel: what's the question ? |
| 20:26:29 | kugel | if someone has experience with an e280 |
| 20:26:43 | kugel | Mitchel: this channel is about rockbox, and only about rockbox |
| 20:26:52 | Mitchel | has someone experience met de sansa e280 from sandisk and with spoken menus? |
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| 20:28:18 | funman | Mitchel: you can ask a precise question directly |
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| 20:34:25 | bluebrother | amiconn: couldn't the flash images be contained in the zip? The flash images for h100 are ... |
| 20:34:53 | amiconn | They cannot be built fully automatic atm |
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| 20:35:18 | amiconn | You need bootbox, the flash loader, and a template file |
| 20:35:43 | amiconn | And afaik the h1x0 zips don't contain the full flash images |
| 20:35:52 | amiconn | They contain the flasha |
| 20:36:07 | amiconn | ble rockbox variants (ram + rom executable) |
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| 20:36:41 | amiconn | And that's the same for archos. But in order to use them, you need to flash a full rom image, which provides the required "infrastructure" |
| 20:37:30 | nogh | hi everybody, i don't know if i can ask some doubt? |
| 20:37:49 | funman | you can |
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| 20:39:52 | bluebrother | hmm. |
| 20:40:00 | nogh | funman: well i have a sansa e200, the problem is when i turn on him, he just show ¨writing bootloade¨r |
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| 20:40:29 | kugel | no luck yet :( |
| 20:40:46 | kugel | gevaerts: have you tried the patch? |
| 20:40:56 | nogh | funman: it's posible to repair this error? |
| 20:42:19 | funman | nogh: I don't know (I don't use rockbox) but maybe other people can answer you |
| 20:43:09 | nogh | funman: well i don't use too, this happen with the original firmware, so i want to try install rockbox |
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| 20:44:17 | funman | nogh: try these steps: http://www.geocities.com/alfmeister13/RecoveryModeOnTheSansae200Series.html |
| 20:44:38 | kugel | USB on A3, repeat, USB on A3! |
| 20:44:42 | kugel | :) |
| 20:44:43 | funman | :) |
| 20:44:51 | funman | same than e200 |
| 20:45:28 | funman | and A3 is hold on clip, now we need c200 & m200 owners |
| 20:45:34 | kugel | really? then the info is missing on SansaV2HardwareMappings |
| 20:45:39 | funman | and it looks like A3 is hold on the m200 as well |
| 20:45:42 | saratoga | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Unbrick |
| 20:46:02 | kugel | funman: but Power isn't on B4 like on the e200 |
| 20:46:11 | | Part J-23 |
| 20:46:51 | funman | kugel: maybe there is a difference between e2?0 and e2(some other digit)0 |
| 20:47:06 | kugel | doubtfully |
| 20:47:16 | funman | saratoga: where did you order your JTAG cable ? |
| 20:47:20 | kugel | why do you think that at all? |
| 20:47:24 | saratoga | funman: ebay |
| 20:47:40 | funman | kugel: fragilematter says A3 is usb on e200, but daniel_at didn't see that |
| 20:47:42 | saratoga | they're about USD 10, but shipped from china so who knows when i'll get it |
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| 20:48:22 | funman | including shipping ? |
| 20:48:26 | saratoga | yes |
| 20:48:34 | funman | I want one ! |
| 20:48:35 | fragilematter | and I didn't see any buttons on GPIOC, but there it might had been might fault |
| 20:48:38 | kugel | funman: that needs to be rechecked. It's really unlikely, since it would mean different firmwares for different e200 |
| 20:49:00 | fml | Hello. Any FlySpray admins here? I've added the task FS #9425 but assigned a wrong type to it. It should be a "patch", not a "bug." (Although it fixes a bug :-) |
| 20:49:04 | saratoga | JTAG basically just plugs directly into the parallel port, so the adater is just a buffer to adjust the voltage and some wires |
| 20:49:14 | saratoga | probably cost < $1 to make |
| 20:49:22 | fragilematter | my* |
| 20:49:23 | funman | if you know electric science |
| 20:49:49 | saratoga | most people seem to build their own actually, but the effort involved in ordered the connectors makes it not worth teh effort imo |
| 20:50:16 | bluebrother | fml: I can fix that |
| 20:50:23 | funman | I remember seeing prices over 100 USD on the web |
| 20:50:36 | saratoga | the USB ones are quite pricy |
| 20:50:46 | saratoga | so are ones that include proprietary software and debugers |
| 20:51:14 | funman | I hope plugging it over a usb/parallel adaptor is enough |
| 20:51:33 | funman | maybe it is easy for serial ports, but not parallel |
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| 20:52:54 | fml | bluebrother: ok, thanks |
| 20:52:58 | bluebrother | fml: and committed :) |
| 20:53:26 | wanze | hi, I just tried to watch a movie on my iPod 5.5g for the first time with mpegplayer, but I get spike lags. Like the picture freezes for a very short while every second or so |
| 20:53:30 | saratoga | funman: do you know much about how jtag works? |
| 20:53:31 | funman | 12$ for a usb/parallel adaptor after a quick look |
| 20:53:37 | funman | saratoga: absolutely not |
| 20:53:47 | wanze | is that a well-known problem, or did I screw something up during the conversion from avi to mpeg |
| 20:53:51 | saratoga | i know a little, just that it uses software interrupts |
| 20:54:10 | saratoga | been wondering if it might be useful to try on the sansa v1 so that i could see what the USB status registers do in USB mode |
| 20:54:21 | wanze | Since the movies (~80min movies) are quite big (about 1gb) |
| 20:54:22 | Llorean | wanze: As the wiki page says, framerates are fairly low for the 5G iPods. Did you encode at a frame rate equal or lower to the expected playback frame rate? |
| 20:54:25 | bluebrother | do we have a schematic on how to connect a JTAG to the sansa? |
| 20:54:26 | funman | to help fix the corruption problem ? |
| 20:54:39 | saratoga | bluebrother: http://teraton.com:81/~torment/sansa/e200_jtag_header.gif |
| 20:54:44 | wanze | Llorean, what do you mean? Low? |
| 20:54:49 | Llorean | They also shouldn't come out anywhere NEAR 1GB for a 90 minute movie. I'd expect closer to 400mb |
| 20:55:00 | wanze | I remember watching movies fine when I used the regular firmware a long time ago |
| 20:55:03 | saratoga | Bagder has a Sansa with a JTAG adapter on it, given to him by Sandisk years ago |
| 20:55:05 | Llorean | wanze: I'm unsure of your question. "low" means "not hight"... |
| 20:55:09 | bluebrother | saratoga: what pins on the sansa is this referring to? |
| 20:55:14 | Llorean | er high |
| 20:55:22 | saratoga | theres a row of pins on the V1 and V2 sansas |
| 20:55:31 | bluebrother | the 20 pin connector is standard ARM |
| 20:55:37 | saratoga | http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/e200-devboard.html |
| 20:55:41 | wanze | and yeah, I know 1gb is a lot, but I just can't find a decent converter |
| 20:55:47 | wanze | so I've just accepted it |
| 20:55:51 | Llorean | wanze: The regular firmware can use the Broadcom chip to decode h.264 video. We have to use the main processor to decode mpeg2 video. They're very different situation. |
| 20:56:11 | wanze | right |
| 20:56:20 | funman | bluebrother: http://www.anythingbutipod.com/archives/images/sansa-clip-disassembled/sandisk-sansa-clip-disassembled-12.jpg top right |
| 20:56:28 | wanze | anyway, I didn't change the framerate at all |
| 20:56:35 | wanze | should I lower the mpeg's framerate? |
| 20:56:37 | bluebrother | ah, ok. Has someone succeeded in accessing the AMS through a JTAG? |
| 20:56:41 | Llorean | If you want good video on a 5G or 5.5G iPod you really should use the original firmware. As the PluginMpegplayer page says, framerates are low on the iPod Video. |
| 20:56:45 | funman | bluebrother: yes |
| 20:56:53 | wanze | right |
| 20:56:54 | Llorean | wanze: I already said you need to lower the framerate earlier... |
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| 20:57:07 | saratoga | the JTAG part is evidently standardized on all ARM7/9 |
| 20:57:08 | wanze | yes, but I wanted to know how much |
| 20:57:14 | wanze | currently, it's 25fps |
| 20:57:15 | saratoga | so various software works with it unmodified |
| 20:57:15 | bluebrother | nice. |
| 20:57:17 | Llorean | wanze: Read the wiki page. |
| 20:57:32 | bluebrother | funman: did you? |
| 20:57:33 | Llorean | I don't have a 5.5G so I don't know the state of current benchmarks on it. |
| 20:57:40 | wanze | trying to find it |
| 20:57:43 | saratoga | been thinking maybe I should as gevaerts about it |
| 20:57:44 | funman | bluebrother: no but fdinel did on a m200 before breaking it |
| 20:58:05 | funman | saratoga: you miss a verb in your sentence :) |
| 20:58:16 | saratoga | as -> ask |
| 20:58:27 | wanze | anyway, thanks for your help, Llorean |
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| 20:58:52 | saratoga | in theory we could interupt the USB disk mode in the retail firmware, and then dump the entire address space to look for any interesting registers set for USB |
| 20:58:54 | bluebrother | hmm, I have an m200v2 floating around. Would be an interesting thing. |
| 20:59:13 | funman | bluebrother: you could also help by figuring out some buttons |
| 20:59:20 | saratoga | given the present theory that theres some "make USB work" bit set by the OF |
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| 20:59:37 | funman | bluebrother just check if something (hold?) is linked to gpioa pin3 |
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| 20:59:48 | saratoga | gevaerts: thoughts? |
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| 21:00:36 | bluebrother | funman: unfortunately I don't have a DMM around. |
| 21:01:04 | * | gevaerts hunts for the logs, as he suspects that saratoga just asked a question :) |
| 21:01:56 | kugel | gevaerts: ? |
| 21:02:04 | gevaerts | kugel: I've not tried it yet |
| 21:02:14 | kugel | ok |
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| 21:02:40 | Devin | hey there |
| 21:02:50 | amiconn | saratoga: How would that interrupting work? |
| 21:02:53 | funman | bluebrother: what's a DMM ? |
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| 21:03:03 | bluebrother | Digital MultiMeter |
| 21:03:05 | funman | ah right |
| 21:03:12 | Devin | i was wondering why rockbox has not been ported to creative products |
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| 21:03:19 | Devin | anybody know? |
| 21:03:20 | funman | bluebrother: you can do that with the usb cable of your m200 and a compiler |
| 21:03:21 | gevaerts | saratoga: if you can do that, it may be worth a try, especially if you can do it on more than one OF |
| 21:03:23 | bluebrother | Devin: because noone did |
| 21:03:33 | bluebrother | you might be interested in reading the NewPorts wiki page |
| 21:03:43 | Devin | ok |
| 21:03:45 | Devin | thanks |
| 21:03:58 | bluebrother | well, in fact the page is NewPort |
| 21:04:18 | bluebrother | funman: ok ... are the information available online somewhere? |
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| 21:04:31 | funman | yes, although a bit sparse |
| 21:04:36 | Devin | considering it is probably the second most popular jukebox maker next to apple i would think that someone would make a version for creative stuff |
| 21:04:55 | funman | you can use the code in utils/AMS/hacking , with the test.S I pasted this afternoon (let me look for it) |
| 21:05:09 | saratoga | gevaerts: Bagder offered to send me his JTAGed e200V1 |
| 21:05:22 | saratoga | if you're interested, he might send it to you instead |
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| 21:05:44 | funman | bluebrother: http://paste.ubuntu.com/51710/ , just use pin3 and gpioa for a first test if you don't want to check all the pins |
| 21:05:53 | gevaerts | saratoga: I'm no good at assembler and other really low-level stuff |
| 21:06:12 | saratoga | gevaerts: neither am I, hopefully none of that would be required |
| 21:06:21 | bluebrother | hmm. Is it possible redirecting wiki pages (like MediaWiki can do)? |
| 21:06:45 | saratoga | i'm thinking of basically diff'ing the address space before and after USB mode starts |
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| 21:07:20 | gevaerts | That could give some results indeed |
| 21:07:23 | KRomeleoN | any word on battery life with 3.0? |
| 21:07:31 | KRomeleoN | hi btw :) |
| 21:07:42 | saratoga | any idea what target you're using? |
| 21:07:59 | saratoga | gevaerts: i'll look into this further and let you know what i find |
| 21:08:09 | gevaerts | saratoga: great |
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| 21:08:25 | saratoga | probably in 8 weeks when my jtag gets here from china :) |
| 21:08:34 | fml | bluebrother: hey, same file, line 1833: a comma should be between "installiert ist" and "werden" |
| 21:09:03 | KRomeleoN | i got an error on installation but seems to be ok, ws on the theme install i think |
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| 21:09:55 | * | bluebrother considered getting an ARM jtag before |
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| 21:10:16 | gevaerts | KRomeleoN: your question misses some information for us to be able to answer... |
| 21:10:54 | saratoga | maybe if i can find a cheap jtag part and some free software that works with it, and link it all on the wiki, there'd be more interest in using it |
| 21:10:56 | KRomeleoN | heh im using a ipod photo, install on vista x64 |
| 21:11:00 | saratoga | the price and potiential is certainly right |
| 21:11:03 | bluebrother | gevaerts: hey, just give him a word ;-) |
| 21:11:10 | * | bluebrother hands KRomeleoN a word |
| 21:11:34 | saratoga | KRomeleoN: battery like will be better with today's build then with 3.0, at least for MP3/AAC |
| 21:12:04 | KRomeleoN | oh new build out? is that auto install with net installer? |
| 21:12:10 | KRomeleoN | i just installed like 5 min ago |
| 21:12:20 | bluebrother | saratoga: http://openocd.berlios.de/web/ |
| 21:12:20 | saratoga | theres like 5 or 6 builds a day |
| 21:12:39 | KRomeleoN | but will the net installer install latest build or is manual needed/> |
| 21:12:40 | KRomeleoN | ? |
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| 21:13:16 | KRomeleoN | i used the rb util |
| 21:13:17 | saratoga | bluebrother: yeah theres a ton of software out there |
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| 21:13:43 | gevaerts | KRomeleoN: depends. If you install the stable build you'll get 3.0 and only known issues (we don't change that unless it's really needed). If you install a daily or current build, you get more improvements, but also potentially unknown bugs |
| 21:13:50 | gevaerts | rbutil can do both |
| 21:13:52 | saratoga | and wow the solder pads on the FUZE looks absolutely tiny |
| 21:13:58 | saratoga | thats going to be really unplesant to solder |
| 21:14:45 | bluebrother | the amontec jtagkey-tiny looks interesting. |
| 21:15:32 | bluebrother | but shipping costs are ridiculous to germany. Almost the price as the jtag itself |
| 21:15:39 | KRomeleoN | do i have to do a database rebuild if i istall a new build? |
| 21:15:44 | KRomeleoN | takes pretty l;ong |
| 21:15:45 | KRomeleoN | :) |
| 21:15:49 | gevaerts | Normally no |
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| 21:17:01 | KRomeleoN | it looks like my verrsion says 092808 |
| 21:17:06 | KRomeleoN | so is that not 3.0? |
| 21:17:12 | KRomeleoN | but newest build? |
| 21:17:23 | gevaerts | looks like it, yes |
| 21:18:41 | kugel | GPIOC7 is the only C# not #1 by default :S |
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| 21:25:51 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 21:27:50 | KRomeleoN | is ther a way to sort files alphabettically by file name not by id3? |
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| 21:30:25 | bluebrother | use the file browser |
| 21:30:27 | KRomeleoN | also im sure you know this bug but when i change to a new dir and open a new mp3 it says "next file" is actually the last song listened to |
| 21:31:07 | KRomeleoN | "next track" is wrong fgor first file in the dir |
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| 21:32:04 | * | bluebrother doesn't understand |
| 21:32:21 | KRomeleoN | like i was just listening to crosby stills and nash album |
| 21:32:36 | KRomeleoN | and then i change to another artist, lets say metallica |
| 21:32:59 | KRomeleoN | the first metallica file plays and then it says "next song" is crosby stills nash |
| 21:33:07 | KRomeleoN | but if i change to next song its metallica |
| 21:33:12 | mcuelenaere | here2code: still around? |
| 21:33:39 | KRomeleoN | so next song seems to remember the "last song" |
| 21:33:43 | j6 | KRomeleoN: happened to me too |
| 21:34:06 | KRomeleoN | yeah, it goes away for the reat of the dir |
| 21:34:09 | KRomeleoN | rest |
| 21:34:41 | bluebrother | is that visible for a long time? |
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| 21:35:12 | KRomeleoN | for the whole first song |
| 21:35:22 | KRomeleoN | but on song 2 its good |
| 21:35:26 | gevaerts | Is that while using the database, from the file browser, or both? |
| 21:35:33 | KRomeleoN | database |
| 21:35:49 | KRomeleoN | havent tried usinfg file browser as file browser says no files |
| 21:36:33 | KRomeleoN | i click files and get nothing |
| 21:37:21 | KRomeleoN | im guessing if i drag drop mp3 instead of usings my bs apple install theyd show |
| 21:38:08 | gevaerts | ah, yes. You can probably to get them to show, but the file names would be useless anyway |
| 21:38:15 | KRomeleoN | exactly :) |
| 21:38:53 | KRomeleoN | is battery life the same for file browser vs database? |
| 21:39:33 | gevaerts | That somewhat depends on the player. If you enable the database, that uses RAM, which isn't available for buffering any more. |
| 21:39:53 | gevaerts | I don't think you could really notice the difference on an ipod though |
| 21:41:42 | KRomeleoN | what about formatting the ipod |
| 21:41:56 | KRomeleoN | would rockbox work in ntfs? |
| 21:41:59 | gevaerts | no |
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| 21:58:36 | kugel | funman: bad news |
| 21:58:47 | funman | ?! |
| 21:58:47 | kugel | nothing found except usb |
| 21:59:03 | funman | not so bad |
| 21:59:10 | funman | you scared me :) |
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| 22:01:42 | kugel | well, I hoped I find at least 1 real button which can be usefull for e.g. dual boot |
| 22:01:55 | kugel | I updated the wiki page |
| 22:02:09 | kugel | Where can I add the table I created? |
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| 22:03:23 | funman | at least usb can be used for recovery (which is the most wanted feature) |
| 22:03:32 | funman | kugel: in the git repository ? |
| 22:04:13 | kugel | funman: Ok, let me set up git |
| 22:04:22 | * | kugel never used git |
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| 22:04:37 | funman | you need to ask write permission to daniel_at |
| 22:04:44 | funman | or just send me your patch |
| 22:04:57 | funman | clone the repository, then "git add mynewfile" |
| 22:05:14 | funman | write some log, then "git format-patch origin ~" |
| 22:05:19 | kugel | can't you give me write permissions? |
| 22:05:20 | funman | and send me ~/0001-blablabla |
| 22:05:22 | funman | nope |
| 22:06:48 | kugel | how to clone? |
| 22:07:07 | kugel | git clone <url>? If yes, I don't know the url |
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| 22:16:37 | kugel | funman: ^ |
| 22:16:46 | funman | I was cleaning the mushrooms |
| 22:16:55 | kugel | oh |
| 22:16:56 | funman | git clone git://gitorious.org/rockbox_sansa_v2/mainline.git |
| 22:17:23 | funman | also git config −−global user.name "you" and user.email "x@y" if you didn't do it already |
| 22:18:01 | kugel | Why do I need to do this? |
| 22:18:39 | funman | so the commits you make wear your real name and email |
| 22:18:47 | funman | bbs |
| 22:19:52 | kugel | I can't commit, so... |
| 22:20:02 | kugel | or do I get git wrong? :S |
| 22:20:29 | meven | this is normal |
| 22:20:36 | funman | yes |
| 22:20:41 | meven | but you can still porpose patchs |
| 22:20:42 | funman | kugel: you can commit on your local tree |
| 22:20:50 | gevaerts | kugel: even if someone else types the actual git commit command, git still credits the correct people this way |
| 22:20:57 | funman | 'svn commit' is equivalent to 'git push' which you can't do |
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| 22:21:45 | kugel | uh |
| 22:21:56 | kugel | so, I added the file. |
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| 22:22:03 | kugel | Now I do...? |
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| 22:22:12 | funman | git format-patch origin ~ and send me the created file (commit) |
| 22:24:20 | kugel | the command did nothing |
| 22:24:36 | kugel | no file created in ~ |
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| 22:26:03 | gevaerts | kugel: I suspect that you may have to do a local commit first (warning: git n00b here) |
| 22:30:19 | kugel | hm, ok, my added file is in the diff, but not the changes to an existing file. Do I need to "add" it too? |
| 22:31:01 | funman | git commit 'myfile.txt' |
| 22:31:53 | kugel | hm |
| 22:32:00 | kugel | anyway, it created 2 patches now |
| 22:33:22 | kugel | funman: 1st patch: http://paste.ubuntu.com/51811/ |
| 22:33:52 | kugel | 2nd: http://paste.ubuntu.com/51812/ |
| 22:38:46 | funman | <kugel@thomas-nb.(none)> |
| 22:38:48 | funman | :p |
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| 22:39:52 | funman | kugel: do you mind giving me your email before I push the patches in the repository ? |
| 22:40:51 | kugel | funman: well, something went wrong with the user.email command :S |
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| 22:41:25 | gull025 | hey guys |
| 22:41:30 | gull025 | i got a question |
| 22:41:40 | gull025 | if someone could help me out |
| 22:41:54 | advcomp2019 | gull025, we need the question |
| 22:41:57 | * | gevaerts gets his crystal ball |
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| 22:43:28 | KRomeleoN | will exfat work on an ipod? |
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| 22:44:16 | gevaerts | KRomeleoN: support could probably be added, but why? |
| 22:44:28 | KRomeleoN | i need to format my ipod |
| 22:44:36 | KRomeleoN | and vista wont let me choose fat32 |
| 22:45:00 | gevaerts | ah, ok. You need a tool called swissknife I think (not a windows user here...) |
| 22:45:32 | advcomp2019 | gevaerts, yep you are right |
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| 22:46:03 | KRomeleoN | im gonna try hp usb format tool |
| 22:46:22 | * | gevaerts has heard bad things about that one |
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| 22:46:36 | KRomeleoN | i use it for my flash drives :) |
| 22:47:05 | gevaerts | I had to talk someone through restoring a sansa after formatting with it |
| 22:47:30 | KRomeleoN | dare i try it? |
| 22:47:44 | gevaerts | Of course restoring an ipod is easy if you're on windows (and you don't mind installing itunes) |
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| 22:48:11 | KRomeleoN | its mac formatted now |
| 22:48:15 | lalaaaaaaa | hi |
| 22:48:20 | lalaaaaaaa | can somebody help me? |
| 22:48:21 | KRomeleoN | i need to format it for windowes |
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| 22:48:54 | gevaerts | KRomeleoN: if you're on windows, the very easiest way to convert it to a winpod is to run itunes and let that do the conversion |
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| 22:49:06 | KRomeleoN | i dont wanna install itunes |
| 22:49:23 | Sandisk | hi... can somebody help me with my sansa sandisk e250 and rockbox? |
| 22:49:26 | KRomeleoN | hp tool successfully formatted it fat 32 |
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| 22:49:45 | gevaerts | KRomeleoN: it needs a different mbr too... |
| 22:50:02 | advcomp2019 | Sandisk, what is the question |
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| 22:50:23 | ProblematicGuy | Hi |
| 22:50:27 | ProblematicGuy | can someone help me? |
| 22:50:32 | advcomp2019 | ProblematicGuy, what is your question |
| 22:50:35 | gevaerts | ProblematicGuy: please wait a bit for answers. We don't reply within two miliseconds usually |
| 22:50:35 | gull025 | ok so is there a way to modify an IPOD VIDEO |
| 22:50:36 | gull025 | ? |
| 22:50:45 | XavierGr | hmm what's the status of wpseditor? |
| 22:51:07 | gevaerts | gull025: what do you mean? |
| 22:51:09 | j6 | gevaerts: wow, you spotted that one fast |
| 22:51:13 | gull025 | and how to install rockbox on an ipod |
| 22:51:23 | XavierGr | I tried to compile it but I get errors, and running the binary (it still makes a binary even with errors) doesn't do anything |
| 22:51:25 | j6 | gull025: read manual god damn |
| 22:51:28 | j6 | very simple |
| 22:51:28 | advcomp2019 | ProblematicGuy, you do not need to pm me |
| 22:51:37 | ProblematicGuy | ok |
| 22:51:48 | ProblematicGuy | so, can you help me? |
| 22:52:01 | advcomp2019 | ProblematicGuy, you can use the Rockbox Utility |
| 22:52:01 | j6 | how about asking the question |
| 22:52:37 | ProblematicGuy | i tried to.... but there was standing, that the e250 can't be found |
| 22:52:40 | ProblematicGuy | And I don't know what to do now |
| 22:52:42 | gull025 | hhmmm HOW TO INSTALL IT ...DO I NEED ANY SORT OF SOFTWARE TO GET IT IN ITUNES |
| 22:53:02 | j6 | gull025: read the manual |
| 22:53:05 | meven | gull025: http://www.rockbox.org/download/ |
| 22:53:08 | Llorean | gull025: You've been told to read the manual. Do not shout in our channel. |
| 22:53:17 | meven | there is a manual for each ipod version |
| 22:53:25 | advcomp2019 | ProblematicGuy, what sansa firmware are you using |
| 22:53:30 | meven | gull025: you don't need itunes |
| 22:54:11 | ProblematicGuy | I use 3.01.16 F |
| 22:54:19 | starnoble | Ok, if I format my iPod fat32 in Windows with iTunes, can my current iTunes library still synch with it if I decide I want to do that at some point? Or does Rockbox kind of take over everything? |
| 22:54:33 | advcomp2019 | ProblematicGuy, there is your problem.. you have a v2 |
| 22:54:40 | starnoble | Sorry, let me clerify, iTunes on mac os x library |
| 22:54:42 | ProblematicGuy | oh |
| 22:54:55 | ProblematicGuy | fuck :( |
| 22:54:57 | Llorean | starnoble: Rockbox doesn't prevent syncing in any way, but iTunes on Mac may not like syncing to a FAT32 iPod. |
| 22:55:02 | ProblematicGuy | and it doesn't work with this? |
| 22:55:13 | ProblematicGuy | can i downgrade ? xD |
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| 22:55:28 | Llorean | ProblematicGuy: No, the v2 sansas have different insides they just look the same on the outside. |
| 22:55:32 | starnoble | But Rockbox uses a different folder system right? So I couldn't access the iTunes files on the same iPod with Rockbox? Or could I still? |
| 22:55:44 | Llorean | starnoble: Rockbox doesn't use any specific folder system. |
| 22:56:02 | ProblematicGuy | oooh... it's very sad :( |
| 22:56:03 | starnoble | Oh it doesn't? I thought it at least has a special folder for the voice clips. |
| 22:56:06 | starnoble | And the fermware |
| 22:56:20 | gevaerts | starnoble: I think mac itunes works with a windows-formatted ipod, but I'm not sure |
| 22:56:23 | Llorean | starnoble: For the firmware, sure. What would those have to do with accessing your music/ |
| 22:56:32 | DerPapst | gevaerts: correct |
| 22:56:33 | Llorean | Neither of those would require you move your music so that iTunes can't find it. |
| 22:56:46 | starnoble | ah true |
| 22:56:58 | ProblematicGuy | Can is play with a different program on my e250 ? |
| 22:57:05 | Llorean | ProblematicGuy: No. |
| 22:57:13 | ProblematicGuy | :(((((((((((( |
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| 22:58:03 | starnoble | Just curious, as I've never used Rockbox before, but does it offer more in the way of audio navigation than regular iPods do? Like can I jump 10 minutes into a file, or is it just fastforward and rewind? |
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| 22:58:15 | KRomeleoN | is there a way i can name a folder a real like long dirty file name and have a sexy femal voice read it to me? |
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| 22:58:29 | Llorean | starnoble: Questions like that are covered by the manual and other documentation. |
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| 22:58:42 | dishem | I'm sure someone else has asked this question... |
| 22:58:51 | dishem | can there be a rockbox for just a x86 pc? :) |
| 22:58:53 | starnoble | Alright I appologize. |
| 22:58:58 | Llorean | KRomeleoN: You can do whatever you want with the voice UI. Please, see the documentation. |
| 22:59:07 | DerPapst | dishem: yes. it's called UI-SimulatoR :P |
| 22:59:20 | Llorean | dishem: That's part of what the Rockbox-as-App heads toward. |
| 22:59:42 | dishem | i want to use a tiny screen on a mini-itx board |
| 22:59:48 | KRomeleoN | getting themes information..."unknown ewrror" |
| 22:59:57 | KRomeleoN | i get that every time |
| 23:00 |
| 23:00:05 | Llorean | KRomeleoN: Theme server is gone for the moment. There'll be a front page announcement when a new one comes up. |
| 23:00:25 | meven | gevaerts: what data do we still need to et a lcd driver for m6sl ? |
| 23:00:28 | gevaerts | KRomeleoN: if you upgrade to rbutil 1.0.7 you'll get a clearer error message |
| 23:00:47 | ProblematicGuy | thanks for your help! :) i have to go! cu :) |
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| 23:01:07 | starnoble | Is the 3.0 fermware still the recommended version? Just so I know where to start? |
| 23:01:27 | DerPapst | *firmware |
| 23:01:32 | gevaerts | meven: data not so much I think. Lots of trying and frustration mainly |
| 23:01:35 | Llorean | starnoble: Depends on what you want. 3.0 is a known state. Current build can have more features, but also more unknown bugs. |
| 23:01:43 | meven | gevaerts: ^^ |
| 23:02:00 | bluebrother | KRomeleoN: your version of Rockbox Utility is outdated. |
| 23:02:13 | KRomeleoN | i got it from main page |
| 23:02:19 | KRomeleoN | dont know how |
| 23:02:26 | meven | gevaerts: i want some :) |
| 23:02:28 | gevaerts | meven: if you run current rockboot.ebn, how many flashes do you get? Mine gives 1,5,4 |
| 23:02:29 | KRomeleoN | like didnt get from a link |
| 23:02:44 | KRomeleoN | my rb version is 080928 is that daily build? |
| 23:02:55 | bluebrother | looks like |
| 23:03:04 | j6 | lol look at the date. |
| 23:03:04 | meven | gevaerts: do you mean count the number of flashes that the backlight do ? |
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| 23:03:34 | gevaerts | meven: yes |
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| 23:05:06 | meven | gevaerts: what is your test protocol ? |
| 23:05:41 | gevaerts | meven: when you upload rockboot.ebn, the backlight should turn on. After that, press play, and don't unplug |
| 23:06:14 | meven | i think mine does the same |
| 23:06:24 | meven | 1 then 5 and then 4 |
| 23:06:42 | gevaerts | ok. You have the same lcd driver IC then. |
| 23:06:54 | gevaerts | The other likely possibility would have been 139 |
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| 23:07:03 | meven | ok |
| 23:07:29 | gevaerts | The LCD driver ic is a s6d0154. Google should give you a datasheet easily. |
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| 23:08:13 | meven | gevaerts: is it normal that after the upload the dfu the GET CPU methods returns an error |
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| 23:08:50 | KRomeleoN | i must applaud the rockbox 3.x |
| 23:08:57 | KRomeleoN | shit is bangin yo!!!!! |
| 23:09:06 | gevaerts | Yes. That's because the dfu tool is built for firmware restore, and that uses two files. The first file starts dfu mode again. |
| 23:10:01 | KRomeleoN | i was praying my ipod photo would die because i wanted a new model (zune120gb) but now im excited about my old ass ipod again and battery is much better than 2.x |
| 23:10:25 | DerPapst | there was no 2.X for ipods :P |
| 23:10:36 | Llorean | KRomeleoN: There was never a 2.x release for the iPods. |
| 23:10:37 | KRomeleoN | there wasnt? |
| 23:10:41 | KRomeleoN | just 1,.x? |
| 23:10:43 | Llorean | No |
| 23:10:49 | Llorean | There was never a _release_ for the iPods until now |
| 23:10:51 | KRomeleoN | whatever i ran years ago hehe |
| 23:10:52 | Llorean | Just development builds. |
| 23:10:55 | KRomeleoN | ahhh |
| 23:10:57 | XavierGr | hmm, while the libraries for wpseditor were built they didn't got copied in the binary folder. I had to do that manually |
| 23:11:10 | DerPapst | 3.x is the first release for all targets except the old archoses |
| 23:11:29 | meven | gevaerts: ok i got the data sheets for the IC chip |
| 23:11:37 | bluebrother | XavierGr: IMO wpseditor needs quite a lot of work until useable for the average user |
| 23:11:44 | KRomeleoN | id like to see rockbox for ipod shuffle with like morse code through beeps as like a txt reader |
| 23:12:11 | DerPapst | voice UI would work better i'd say. |
| 23:12:29 | KRomeleoN | itd be cool to send morse code through a suffle ans a txt reader |
| 23:12:39 | KRomeleoN | and have it decoded somerwhere |
| 23:13:05 | KRomeleoN | itd be good to like cheat ion the wife |
| 23:13:20 | KRomeleoN | both you and the misstress have shuffle rockbox |
| 23:13:23 | KRomeleoN | over the phone |
| 23:13:24 | Llorean | KRomeleoN: Look, this is a serious development channel. |
| 23:13:32 | Llorean | If you're just going to blabber randomly, please don't do it here. |
| 23:13:42 | KRomeleoN | my bad, sorry |
| 23:13:52 | dishem | when you're building rockbox, how do you make the fonts bigger? |
| 23:14:11 | Llorean | dishem: Rockbox has loadable fonts, why do you need to build in a bigger one? |
| 23:14:16 | Bagder | dishem: select a bigger font |
| 23:14:36 | dishem | i guess i didn't look through it :) sorry |
| 23:15:33 | gevaerts | meven: lcd_init_device() in firmware/target/arm/s5l8700/meizu-m6sl/lcd-m6sl.c contains what we think is the correct init sequence for the s6d0154, and wat we think is the correct code to actually execute that init sequence. |
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| 23:15:46 | dishem | llorean: hm, is it something in the menus? |
| 23:15:54 | meven | gevaerts: ok |
| 23:15:57 | bluebrother | logbot: explain manual |
| 23:16:06 | meven | gevaerts: i was just looking for the actual driver |
| 23:16:09 | DerPapst | dishem: yes. :) |
| 23:16:33 | DerPapst | logbot doesn't feel like explaining... |
| 23:16:49 | Llorean | dishem: It would really benefit you to read through the manual a bit when you want to know about various features, whether they exist, and how to use them. |
| 23:17:10 | meven | gevaerts: what is the procedure to test the driver , |
| 23:17:18 | bluebrother | no ... seems triggering it was slightly different. |
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| 23:17:39 | gevaerts | meven: the m6sl uses the CLCD controller described in chapter 27 of the s5l8700 manual. That one needs to be set up as well |
| 23:17:43 | DerPapst | maybe with !logbot |
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| 23:18:00 | bluebrother | !logbot explain manual |
| 23:18:01 | gevaerts | meven: test code runs from bootloader/meizu_m6sl.c |
| 23:18:14 | gevaerts | logbot: explain things |
| 23:18:23 | bluebrother | doesn't seem so, but works fine when querying it |
| 23:18:34 | DerPapst | !logbog: what is the sense of life? |
| 23:18:41 | Bagder | it has restrictions to who it responds to in public |
| 23:18:42 | DerPapst | *logbot even ;) |
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| 23:19:06 | Llorean | logbot: explain manual |
| 23:19:09 | * | bluebrother notices that logbot logs all his queries into the public logs. Woops. |
| 23:19:16 | | Part nogh |
| 23:19:17 | bluebrother | is this intended? |
| 23:19:22 | * | gevaerts runs for the logs |
| 23:19:27 | Llorean | It explains in private to everyone at least. |
| 23:19:42 | Llorean | We just need to tell people to ask logbot to explain the manual |
| 23:19:51 | bluebrother | hehe ;-) |
| 23:19:58 | bluebrother | as in: "ask logbot"? |
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| 23:20:09 | BigBambi | Can you target logbot at people? |
| 23:20:29 | Llorean | Something like /msg logbot explain manual Question_Guy ? |
| 23:20:31 | Bagder | yes, but that too requires some specific level |
| 23:20:50 | * | gevaerts warns people about the existence of people who dislike the way logbot explains things in public |
| 23:21:19 | BigBambi | I wouldn't want it to do it in public, but sending it to people would be useful :) |
| 23:21:27 | * | bluebrother never understood this level thing of logbot |
| 23:21:42 | gevaerts | BigBambi: You mean just after you've asked them not to PM you? |
| 23:22:02 | BigBambi | gevaerts: Ah, but I wouldn't be PMing them, logbot would be :) |
| 23:22:08 | * | bluebrother wonders if BigBambi noticed anything |
| 23:22:32 | BigBambi | bluebrother: When you were doing explain manual type stuff? If so, then no, I didn't see anything |
| 23:23:05 | gull025 | what is the easy way to install games on an ipod (IPOD VIDEO 80GB) |
| 23:23:16 | bluebrother | gull025: there is none. |
| 23:23:29 | gull025 | is there ANY way? |
| 23:23:34 | BigBambi | gull025: All games are included with Rockbox |
| 23:23:44 | DerPapst | all games are installed already |
| 23:23:48 | meven | gevaerts: you talk about the S5L8700X-DS.pdf file ? |
| 23:23:55 | bluebrother | this is a rockbox channel. We are not interested in non-rockbox talk. And all plugins for rockbox are included. |
| 23:23:56 | gevaerts | meven: yes |
| 23:24:05 | bluebrother | besides, there is no need to scream the model name around |
| 23:24:06 | gull025 | oppps sry |
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| 23:24:22 | meven | gevaerts: there is a chapter 27 ? |
| 23:24:29 | gevaerts | gull025: if you mean emulated games, you just put the rom dumps somewhere. The manual knows everything |
| 23:24:37 | gevaerts | meven: yes there is. The table of contents is broken |
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| 23:25:06 | bluebrother | apart from that we have a FAQ which covers quite some stuff ... |
| 23:25:29 | gevaerts | meven: chapter 27 starts on page 551 |
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| 23:26:20 | meven | gevaerts: indeed thanks |
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| 23:34:26 | XavierGr | bluebrother: for 4500 usd I would expect something more polished and usable... It seems to me like a week's job instead of 3 months :\ |
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| 23:35:38 | lol3izer | http://technology.sympatico.msn.ca/How-To/ContentPosting_MS?newsitemid=2b053f2d-ae3e-478b-bb59-18c392ade086&feedname=MARC-SALTZMAN&show=False&number=0&showbyline=True&subtitle=&detect=&abc=abc&date=True |
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| 23:35:44 | bluebrother | wow, it's been that expensive? |
| 23:35:44 | lol3izer | msn coverage about rockbox |
| 23:35:45 | lol3izer | o.O |
| 23:36:24 | lol3izer | also incorrect information |
| 23:36:39 | lol3izer | such as great games (Texas Hold Em, Duck Hunt, a Bejeweled clone and even the classic DOOM) |
| 23:37:08 | BigBambi | We have a word processor? |
| 23:37:26 | gevaerts | lol3izer: not only that. They can't even spell DAP manufacturer names right |
| 23:37:49 | BigBambi | That article is just plain wrong |
| 23:37:56 | lol3izer | well its coverage |
| 23:38:17 | lol3izer | in a pretty mainstream source |
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| 23:38:37 | XavierGr | bluebrother: I mean the money that the wpseditor dev got from google, iirc he passed the project but I haven't seen him around ever since gsoc ended |
| 23:38:40 | DerPapst | heh.. iirc rockbox doesn't have Duck Hunt yet, but iPL has :P |
| 23:38:51 | BigBambi | They are very confused |
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| 23:41:46 | * | Llorean gets irritated when there's no "Contact the Author" link. |
| 23:41:58 | Bagder | "one of North America's most recognized and trusted experts in the ever-changing world of high-tech" |
| 23:42:10 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 23:42:10 | DerPapst | hahaha |
| 23:42:19 | Llorean | I don't recognize him, and I certainly don't trust him after that article. |
| 23:42:28 | gevaerts | Well, he is one of them. Not one of the top ten maybe, but... |
| 23:42:35 | Llorean | maybe I'm not north enough. |
| 23:42:45 | DerPapst | alaska? |
| 23:42:59 | lol3izer | northren north america |
| 23:43:01 | lol3izer | ha |
| 23:43:11 | Bagder | "there are simulators (also known as emulators) " is indeed very clueful |
| 23:43:46 | lol3izer | how can somone that knows about that |
| 23:43:55 | lol3izer | fudge up the rest so badly? |
| 23:44:05 | pixelma | eurh, so many mistakes :\ |
| 23:44:09 | lol3izer | maybee its some kind of AI system writing their articles |
| 23:44:17 | starnoble | Hmm is the Rockbox I need the iPod Video? I don't see a 5th gen one. |
| 23:44:23 | lol3izer | collecting informations from blogs around the internet |
| 23:44:25 | gevaerts | lol3izer: why not? That's already pretty much wrong |
| 23:44:30 | DerPapst | lol3izer: but it's got a virus |
| 23:44:32 | gevaerts | starnoble: yes. The video is the 5th gen |
| 23:44:34 | Llorean | Bagder: That's the line that inspired me to want to write to him. |
| 23:44:39 | starnoble | thanks |
| 23:45:00 | Llorean | Since the difference between UI simulation and emulation is very, very important to the people who actually need an emulator. |
| 23:45:07 | lol3izer | indeed |
| 23:45:21 | lol3izer | i think rockbox needs an NES emulator |
| 23:45:24 | lol3izer | i may write one |
| 23:45:30 | Llorean | lol3izer: There's a work in progress one in the patch tracker. |
| 23:45:44 | Llorean | You don't even need to write it, you just need to get it more stable and generally patch it up a bit. |
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| 23:46:23 | starnoble | Wonder if it could be possible to make the opensource synthesizer eSpeak work on Rockbox? |
| 23:46:33 | lol3izer | starnoble, only one way to find out |
| 23:46:40 | lol3izer | and no one is gonna port it for you |
| 23:46:51 | pixelma | he advises to unzip the files first to your PC and then copy them over later, still you should us RBUtil?... |
| 23:46:52 | Bagder | someone did a start |
| 23:47:07 | starnoble | Nod I just thought it would be very good for those who are blind at the least. |
| 23:47:25 | DerPapst | it was even a gsoc project |
| 23:47:36 | rasher | starnoble: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7660 |
| 23:47:45 | lol3izer | most GSOC stuff dosent seem to go anywhere |
| 23:48:16 | lol3izer | but then again, most OSS syuff in general dosent go anywhere |
| 23:49:19 | pixelma | Llorean: but there is a picture of him on that page, you could now recognise him when he passes you by and point a finger... ;) |
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| 23:58:26 | Sevs | I'd like to install Rockbox but I use my iPod on an untested iPod connector for my car, do you know if I find out it doesn't work, if I'll be able to just switch back to the old firmware and use that for the car connection? |
| 23:58:40 | lol3izer | it wont work |
| 23:58:46 | lol3izer | unless you use a special build |
| 23:58:55 | lol3izer | and might not work even then |
| 23:58:56 | gevaerts | Sevs: you can always go back |
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