#rockbox 2008-10-01

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#rockbox log for 2008-10-01

00:00:27	jfb9301	after un adjusting through mp3gain
00:00:32	bluebrother	well, you just need to do it once ;-)
00:00:53	bluebrother	besides, don't you want album and track gain the same time? ;-)
00:01:23	jfb9301	I know, but I just got done using mp3gain on all those tracks yesterday :( that was like 6 hours of process time
00:01:25	kugel	jfb9301: Sorry if I didn't read correctly, but what's bad about mp3gain directly changing the file?
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00:02:02	jfb9301	yea I know only once, I guess I did not read deep enough in the faq stuf
00:02:44	jfb9301	kugel, nothing particularly, if everything goes right, but under rockbox, all the features associated with replay gain will not function.
00:02:45	bluebrother	kugel: you can't just turn it off while playing? You only have "one" gain, no album gain mode?
00:03:04	jfb9301	no pre-amp, no prevent clipping
00:03:35	bluebrother	jfb9301: well, I was looking for the same information a while ago and always found the details too hidden
00:03:37	kugel	jfb9301: you can set mp3tag to prevent clipping, you can set mp3gain to use album mode
00:03:43	hospadar	Thanks!
00:03:48	hospadar	free pizza time!
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00:04:10	*	bluebrother points kugel to the "album gain, track gain when shuffling" mode in Rockbox
00:04:45	kugel	it's not as flexible as tags, indeed
00:04:50	jfb9301	yes I know, but if a gain is over adjusted down, the overall track is now quiet and there is no way to compensate for that unless the pre amp gain function wokrs
00:05:32	kugel	well, but you safe battery life, since replaygain isn't active
00:06:02	Llorean	kugel: You only save battery life if activating replaygain requires more time spent boosting
00:06:06	jfb9301	also you can set the gain somewhat high, which would normally result in clipping, but use the prevent clipping feature, to maximize voure while minimizing loss and distortion
00:06:32	Llorean	kugel: With recent improvements to MP3, this is unlikely. As well, since gain is a single multiply as far as I know, it's a very, very, very small CPU cost compared to most other DSP effects.
00:06:55	kugel	possibly, I haven't made tests
00:07:07	kugel	since the improvement
00:07:11	*	bluebrother has ReplayGain enabled all the time
00:07:11	jfb9301	I'm not particularly concerened with battery life as much was volume and quality
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00:07:31	maddler	hi all
00:07:42	Llorean	I would guess that you wouldn't be able to consistently show a loss of battery life by using replaygain. I'd bet it'd fall within the margin for error of real-world tests.
00:07:46	bluebrother	mp3 has gain factors in the mp3 frame anyway. So what's the difference if you now multiply with a different value?
00:08:01	jfb9301	my frankenpod has a 12 hour batterylife for audio, more if I attach my 4 AA power supply
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00:13:26	jfb9301	I have to get going for now, I'll probably be back later as I work more on this.
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00:23:04	funman	linuxstb: the thumb decompressor is 186 bytes here :?
00:24:24	linuxstb	funman: I'm not counting the "wrapper code" to switch into thumb mode that's in nrv2e_d8.S
00:25:08	funman	eh, how will it switch to thumb mode then ?
00:25:57	linuxstb	Either using that wrapper code, or by using bx directly from our bootloader
00:26:12	funman	ok
00:26:22	linuxstb	But I'm just talking about the decompressor function when I say it's 180 bytes...
00:26:37	amiconn	It is that small on arm?
00:26:42	linuxstb	Are you sure you don't get 188 bytes (180 plus 8) ?
00:26:45	linuxstb	amiconn: Yes ;)
00:26:52	amiconn	wow
00:26:53	funman	by the way I understood only today why I couldn't use the nice BLX function listed in the arm reference list of instructions : it's only available in newer processors .. :)
00:26:53	linuxstb	In thumb mode...
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00:27:04	funman	linuxstb: no
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00:27:26	linuxstb	amiconn: If you're curious - http://www.sfr-fresh.com/unix/privat/upx-3.03-src.tar.gz:a/upx-3.03-src/src/stub/src/arch/arm/v4t/nrv2e_d8.S
00:27:35	linuxstb	(it's macro-hell though...)
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00:29:14	amiconn	Oh, a pure asm implementation...
00:29:16	*	amiconn would have use for an SH1 asm version...
00:29:36	*	funman handles gcc -S to amiconn with a text editor
00:29:45	linuxstb	amiconn: gcc generated about 1500 bytes of arm code for the C version...
00:30:07	linuxstb	amiconn: Sadly there isn't one (at least not in upx). There's an m68k version though.
00:30:23	linuxstb	(and mips)
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00:30:52	amiconn	The archos flash loader has an ucl decompressor.
00:31:04	amiconn	Would be nice if we could save some size here
00:32:05	funman	linuxstb: it is 178 bytes actually :) probably your binary is padded to align addresses on 4 bytes ?
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00:33:14	linuxstb	funman: Yes, you're right... I linked it with ARM code, so maybe ld padded it...
00:33:15	Jeremy_	anyone have problems updating the database?
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00:33:59	amiconn	linuxstb: Is that binsize with our C code, or the reference implementation?
00:34:16	linuxstb	The Rockbox code.
00:34:24	funman	the C code in rockbox quotes "thinned out version"
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00:34:33	*	linuxstb double-checks that figure...
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00:35:40	amiconn	funman: Yes it does, and there are indeed a few features removed
00:36:09	linuxstb	Yes, it's 1572 bytes
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00:39:33	amiconn	The SH1 version is 524 bytes (compiled using -Os)
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00:42:08	amiconn	funman, linuxstb: The rockbox version doesn't handle multiple blocks. Standard block size is 256KB iirc, so you need to be careful when exceeding this
00:42:28	funman	K ?
00:42:34	linuxstb	That should be OK - the images we're compressing are about 120KB
00:42:57	funman	oh it's an upper limit
00:43:42	amiconn	You can set other block sizes iiuc. Minimum is 1024bytes, maximum is 8MB
00:44:00	amiconn	(when compressing, obviously)
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00:44:23	linuxstb	Hmm, seems gcc is being silly and only using a few registers, with other vars on the stack... Adding "register" to the local vars reduces the binsize to 580 bytes.
00:44:42	amiconn	Did you try -Os
00:44:43	amiconn	?
00:45:03	linuxstb	Yes, but unless I was doing something wrong, all the -O options gave the same size code...
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00:45:45	funman	there's an option for that: -fdisable-gcc-weirness
00:45:59	funman	fdinel: ping ?
00:46:30	*	linuxstb was doing something wrong - his "make clean" wasn't deleting decompressor.o...
00:46:56	linuxstb	-Os gives 580 bytes
00:47:50	linuxstb	Hmm, -O1 gives 572 bytes...
00:47:50	funman	linuxstb: fdinel is atomicpunk, he should be back in ~1 hour if you want to talk with him
00:48:16	funman	eh, I think there's progress to do in language algorithms ;)
00:48:17	linuxstb	But still, 178 bytes is nicer.
00:48:40	funman	absolutely :)
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00:49:57	*	amiconn downloaded a newer version of the arm reference manual yesterday
00:50:46	amiconn	One that explains the armv6 instructions as well.... it looks like they will allow a significant speedup of the ape filteris
00:51:17	linuxstb	The 16-bit arithmetic instructions?
00:51:19	amiconn	An interesting point is that a small part of these speedups would be possible on armv5 as well
00:51:37	linuxstb	Or do they have vector instructions?
00:51:41	amiconn	linuxstb: armv6 can even do them packed, for both halfwords of a word at once...
00:52:19	amiconn	These are vector instructions
00:53:29	amiconn	There's an even more powerful vector addon in newer arm processors: neon. It is said to be able to decode 48kHz 320kbps MP3 with effectively 10MHz CPU clock...
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00:55:05	amiconn	linuxstb: armv5 adds simple 16 bit vector instructions (for multiplication only), and saturated arithmetics (but only 32 bit for add/sub)
00:55:20	amiconn	s/vector//
00:55:55	funman	linuxstb: well he was online on jabber, he didn't meant toolchain to be a specific toolchain
00:56:09	amiconn	armv6 extends these further into vector instructions. You can do packed 16 bit (x2) or 8 bit (x4) adds/subs, saturated or wrapping, signed or unsigned
00:56:22	linuxstb	amiconn: Yes, I remember seeing those instructions when writing the ARM assembler for APE - and wishing I could use them...
00:57:14	amiconn	And it even extends this to muls and mlas, so that you can do e.g 32=32+1616+1616 in a single instruction...
00:57:32	linuxstb	Anyone know if the beast still clocked at about 300MHz in Rockbox?
00:57:44	amiconn	It's clocked at 264MHz
00:57:53	amiconn	(exactly half of the maximum)
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01:01:01	amiconn	Those vector instructions should also be useful for mpeg motion comp...
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01:04:47	amiconn	idct too
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01:35:48	funman	good news: we are running in ram on sansav2 as suspected by linuxstb :)
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01:47:12	ameyer	so, you guys are making progress on sansav2? :)
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01:51:37	funman	step by step :=)
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01:56:44	fdinel	hey peeps
01:57:02	funman	hey strange timezone guy
01:57:07	fdinel	haha
01:57:13	fdinel	you damn europeans :P
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02:08:26	soap	amiconn, I assume you are asking why my server barfs /sometimes/ on sim builds?
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02:13:23	soap	like, less than 10% of the time?
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02:28:53	r0flc0pt3r	hey guys. i got a sansa e260 with firmware v03.01.16f. is there absolutely no possibility of running rockbox on there?
02:29:04	r0flc0pt3r	i hate the interface without having folder access
02:31:31	ameyer	r0flc0pt3r: not yet...
02:32:27	r0flc0pt3r	can you say how long it will approximately take until rockbox is completely ported?
02:32:32	r0flc0pt3r	what's the problem with it?
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02:33:46	ameyer	r0flc0pt3r: the hardware's completely different, so they essentially have to port it from scratch
02:34:01	ameyer	and all I can say is "they're working on it"
02:34:02	r0flc0pt3r	but as far as i see the main problem is the lack of a recovery mode right?
02:34:50	Llorean	That's the first problem, after which it's the lack of drivers and hardware information.
02:35:03	Llorean	There's no main problem as much as "the next problem we have to deal with"
02:35:18	r0flc0pt3r	so it could still take a year or more?
02:35:26	ameyer	Llorean: could you say "the main problem is the hardware is completely different"
02:36:29	Llorean	r0flc0pt3r: It's impossible to predict.
02:36:46	Llorean	r0flc0pt3r: Basically, it depends on how many volunteers work on it, how much spare time they have, and what random surprises come up along the way.
02:36:58	Llorean	It could be six months, it could be 4 years, it could never happen.
02:37:12	Llorean	ameyer: That's the most significant obvious problem, at least.
02:37:35	r0flc0pt3r	mkay, thanks. do you know of any possibility to get the best overview on the v2's? some kind of folder view even with the official firmware?
02:38:08	Llorean	r0flc0pt3r: No. And this channel really isn't for questions about the original firmware.
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02:52:31	gull025	hey guys i have a silly question
02:52:37	gull025	i hope i can get an answer
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03:10:37	gull025	where can i get the themes for rockbox
03:10:40	gull025	?
03:11:04	soap	there is a theme gallery in the wiki.
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03:11:39	soap	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery
03:17:49	soap	if you are adventurous, and are willing to read up (in the WPS section of the forums) on how to repair WPSs, there is a larger selection to be found at rockbox-themes.org.
03:18:26	soap	But, most of those are broken, and many of them are not permissively licensed, so repaired versions can not be distributed :(
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03:22:14	soap	gull025, all that was directed at you. McFly?
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03:23:25	gull025	i have ipod video 5th gen...how come i cant rate a song in rockbox...it wont let me...everytime i press middle button it goes back to album playlist..any thoughts on that guys
03:23:25	gull025	?
03:24:09	scorche	gull025: rockbox is different than the apple firmware...i suggest you have a look at the manual
03:24:09	gull025	soap: U know how i can resolve this problem
03:24:10	gull025	?
03:24:17	gull025	okie...
03:24:18	gull025	thanks
03:24:50	firsttry	Ok, so have been using rockbox for several months, a real old build. finnaly tried to upgrade to the 3.0 firmware, and whenever I try to play a song i get a codec failure. this is on a 30 gig video
03:25:01	firsttry	so far I have tried mp3 and ogg files, same result
03:25:25	scorche	firsttry: did you make sure to extract the entire .rockbox folder?
03:26:00	firsttry	I extracted the folder to the desktop, then tried the resulting .rockbox folder over the old one on my ipod
03:26:01	Llorean	firsttry: This means your rockbox.ipod file is a different version than your *.codec files, and if you have a _really_ old build may mean you have a rockbox.ipod file lying around in the root of your iPod as well as the one in the .rockbox folder
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03:26:19	firsttry	then I tried deleting the .rockbox alltogether
03:26:26	firsttry	then extracting directly to the ipod
03:26:29	firsttry	same results
03:26:43	scorche	firsttry: do you have a rockbox.ipod file in the root of your device?
03:26:47	firsttry	let me check
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03:27:47	firsttry	shoot, I booted the wrong firmware, hold on a second
03:28:54	firsttry	no, I dont
03:29:09	firsttry	wait, I'm sorry I do
03:29:17	scorche	delete it
03:29:18	firsttry	extensions aren't showing, I missed it
03:29:20	firsttry	ok
03:29:33	firsttry	done
03:30:29	scorche	and you are going to need to reinstall the bootloader...see the manual for instructions
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03:30:56	scorche	(yours is likely too old)
03:31:03	firsttry	ok
03:31:39	firsttry	mine says IPl 2.0
03:32:27	scorche	that is unsupported here
03:32:46	scorche	you will need to use ours, or get help somewhere else if you wish to use that one
03:33:06	firsttry	that is not a rockbox loader?
03:33:16	Llorean	It's the iPL loader.
03:33:18	firsttry	Oh, I used to have ipod linux, i guess it must be leftover from that
03:33:19	scorche	it is not our software
03:33:23	firsttry	duh, IPL
03:33:23	Llorean	It can load Rockbox, but it's from the iPodLinux project.
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03:33:37	firsttry	thank you for clarifying
03:33:40	Llorean	Since we didn't write it, and we have no control over what it does, we don't provide support for it.
03:34:27	firsttry	makes sense
03:34:43	firsttry	quick question about installing the bootloader
03:35:07	firsttry	it says to run a program that will tell you some information about your ipod, but it does not say what mode to have the ipod in
03:35:18	firsttry	should I have the apple firware running, or be in disk mode?
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03:36:03	cool_walking_	Both will act pretty much the same, except disk mode is slower.
03:37:29	firsttry	ok, I just realized I don't have administrative priviligase so I can't run it, ipodpatcher is saying it cant find the ipod
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03:37:37	firsttry	I will go ahead and try again on my own computer later
03:37:41	firsttry	thank you for the help
03:38:01	firsttry	also, just as an FYI, in ipodpatcher it says the ipod should be in disk mode
03:38:23	firsttry	maybe that has changed and just didn't get updated, I don't know, just thought I would mention it
03:38:53	cool_walking_	Maybe it's a false piece of advice just so people don'
03:39:02	cool_walking_	t think "should it be normal or disk mode"
03:39:50	firsttry	ok
03:40:17	cool_walking_	I installed the boot loader in the normal OF. The HDD is the only thing being written to, so you just need UMS, which both disk mode and the normal OF provide.
03:40:19	firsttry	before I go, I just want to make sure that I needed to delete that file AND install the bootloader to get rid of the codec error message?
03:41:06	firsttry	because I can boot rockbox with the IPl, but after deleting the file i am still getting an error message
03:41:18	firsttry	and before updating just the firmware rockbox was working fine
03:41:50	Llorean	firsttry, cool_walking_: "Disk Mode" actually refers to "It needs to have a drive letter"
03:41:58	Llorean	The "Disk Mode" screen is something else.
03:42:22	Llorean	iTunes has a "Allow Disk Mode" check box, and if iTunes is installed, and the box is unchecked, some iPods won't show up with a drive letter, so that only iTunes has access to them.
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03:42:53	firsttry	so basicly what you are saying is if I can browse my ipod on the pc, I am in the right mode?
03:43:06	Llorean	Yes
03:43:08	Llorean	Exactly.
03:43:15	firsttry	ok
03:43:28	firsttry	coolwalking: I missed your comment there, I don't know what OF or UMS means
03:44:17	cool_walking_	OF = Original (Apple, Sandisk, etc) Firmware . UMS aka MSC = the mode the iPod is in that allows it to appear as a drive letter.
03:46:34	firsttry	how long does it take to install the bootloader? Someone just came into the computer lab(I am at school) with thier laptop, and I am going to see if they will let me use it to run this
03:46:48	firsttry	I assume ipodpatcher can't find my ipod because of restricted rights
03:47:02	Llorean	It needs to be run as admin, yes.
03:47:07	cool_walking_	30 seconds maybe.
03:47:23	Llorean	Less with iPodPatcher.
03:47:47	firsttry	ok, I am going to go ask
03:49:58	gull025	hmmm can i get solitaire game for rockbox to play in my IPOD
03:49:58	gull025	?
03:50:11	gull025	i mean can i get it over the net somewehre
03:50:11	gull025	?
03:50:18	Llorean	gull025: Rockbox comes with all its plugins.
03:51:07	gull025	n the games?
03:51:12	Llorean	Are plugins.
03:51:15	Llorean	Please, see the manual.
03:51:20	Llorean	As I'm sure you've been directed to before.
03:51:26	gull025	i have...
03:51:29	gull025	i know..
03:51:33	Llorean	So read it.
03:51:51	gull025	but my friend to be quite honest with U...its long..lol i mean bit wordy
03:52:05	gull025	can U perhaps just help me out here.
03:52:05	gull025	:D
03:52:05	Llorean	Yes, because it answers many questions
03:52:14	gull025	true say
03:52:20	Llorean	We wrote it so that we don't have to answer the same questions over and over and over.
03:52:35	Llorean	As well, we wrote channel guidelines that tell you not to use words like "U" but instead to use real English.
03:53:11	Llorean	The manual even has an index so you don't have to read the whole thing.
03:53:15	gull025	oppps...see READING is always good right
03:53:20	Llorean	Reading is mandatory.
03:53:27	gull025	that too
03:53:28	Llorean	If not, you'll get kicked from the channel sooner or later.
03:53:56	gull025	oppps pretty strong rules eh
03:54:59	Llorean	As implied by my use of the word "mandatory"
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04:10:44	firsttry	ok, so that kid's laptop was, well, special
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04:10:56	firsttry	ran ipodpatcher, took less than 3 seconds
04:11:08	Llorean	firsttry: That's about the right speed for it.
04:11:17	Llorean	It's not a long process, installing the bootloader.
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04:11:39	firsttry	rockbox booted, but i accidently started initializing the database
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04:11:49	firsttry	when that finishes I will see if it is working
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04:13:04	firsttry	also out of curiousity does anyone on here know how the battery life in RB3.0 compares to the original firmware? the last version left somethign to be desired, but I like the interface enough to just deal with it!
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04:15:33	scorche	that depends on your device
04:16:37	firsttry	oh sorry, it is an ipod video, 30gig
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04:17:39	Llorean	You should expect somewhere from 10% less to slightly better depending on usage habits and other things.
04:18:08	firsttry	that's whole lot better than before
04:18:39	Waldo000000	has anyone here tried or currently use an olympus m:robe?
04:19:36	firsttry	last question before I go have dinner, is it normal when I select something, say artist, for a screen to pop up saying "Searching... 0 found (play/pause to abort"
04:20:00	firsttry	I thought that was a problem with my old version, but 3.0 still does it
04:20:08	Llorean	firsttry: It's just the way the database works.
04:20:33	Llorean	0 found is the first thing it shows, you have few enough songs that it counts up faster than it updates, and goes to the next screen before it can show you a new value.
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04:21:27	firsttry	I have over 5k songs, does that qualify as few in your mind?
04:21:57	firsttry	missed your first reply, so that is perfectly normal, it doesn't scroll, occasionally makes it to 2, but then loads
04:22:05	firsttry	thanks for your time
04:22:33	firsttry	3.0 seems awsome so far, love the faster adjustable rate scrolling, and apparently recording works now! phsyced!
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05:12:29	ameyer	stupid question, if I cfmod an ipod mini, do I really need to reinstall the apple firmware?
05:14:31	Llorean	The apple firmware isn't _necessary_.
05:16:12	*	ameyer just really doesn't want to have to borrow someone else's windows box and install iTunes and all the other related stuff
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05:17:09	Llorean	ameyer: You don't need iTunes to install the apple firmware.
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05:21:29	*	ameyer assumes Apple's firmware is stored on the HD
05:22:04	Llorean	Yeah.
05:23:00	ameyer	how would one go from a blank CF drive to an ipod with a firmware partition?
05:23:05	ameyer	in linux
05:24:47	ameyer	ahh well, not worth worrying about until I have an iPod with a blank CF in front of me
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05:27:23	Llorean	ameyer: There's an IpodManualRestore (or something like that) page in the wiki.
05:27:26	ameyer	nevermind, despite my weak google-fu, I found it, I think.
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06:04:31	Janet09	Hey guys, I have a Sansa E280 and it seems to not be charging after I downloaded rockbox. Am I doing something wrong?
06:05:21	Llorean	You need to use dual boot and charge in the original firmware on the e200 series
06:05:35	Janet09	How do I do that?
06:07:04	Llorean	Plug in the USB cable with it turned off, is the easiest way.
06:07:55	Janet09	I did that. Does it change if its a wall charger?
06:08:12	Llorean	It shouldn't.
06:08:21	Llorean	I don't remember the dual boot button combination, it should be in the manual though
06:08:34	Janet09	I will look it up
06:08:38	cool_walking_	Hold left arrow while booting
06:09:45	Janet09	Now when I restart it will it boot in rockbox?
06:10:26	cool_walking_	yes, unless you hold the left arrow again
06:11:02	Janet09	Ok! Thanks guys!
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10:15:45	linuxstb	Anyone here know enough about ARM to confirm that the thumb code "mov r0, #0; bx r0" will branch to address 0, switching to ARM mode?
10:16:10	B4gder	I think it does, but I certainly am not sure
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10:22:50	*	linuxstb reduces the thumb ucl unpack to 166 bytes...
10:23:05	*	linuxstb thinks the ucl author was quite clever ;)
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10:25:46	Llorean	fragilematter: This really only opens up the opportunity to start development for it.
10:25:53	Llorean	Don't hold your breath for audio playback.
10:26:26	fragilematter	I know, I did my part in the development, now I'm leaving it up to the more experienced hackers to do their part
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10:36:32	linuxstb	fragilematter: There's only one way to get experience...
10:39:35	fragilematter	If I had the time to concentrate more of my resources in this direction I would gladly get my hands dirty, but unfortunately I can't right now
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11:19:26	linuxstb	funman: Good morning, seen my commit from a few minutes ago?
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11:20:50	funman	yes :)
11:21:03	funman	that must what awakened me
11:24:02	funman	for the v29 firmware we are off by 4 bytes :/
11:24:29	Benjamin_L	in the tango mailing list they get also mentioned, but they are not attached
11:24:46	Benjamin_L	seems the first message didn't get through
11:25:25	Benjamin_L	where do i find the svg icons used for the target icons on the download page, maybe I'm blind ^^
11:25:26	linuxstb	funman: As I mention in the comments in mkamsboot.c, we can fix that (by relocating the ucl function to another part of RAM), but for the first version, I think we should keep it in the padding.
11:26:02	funman	linuxstb: also I wonder how we can ensure that when decompressing the ucl data, we will not overwrite the source with uncompressed data
11:26:34	linuxstb	funman: The function is designed not to do that (IIUC).
11:27:07	B4gder	Benjamin_L: isn't the svgs in the manual dir somewhere?
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11:27:46	Benjamin_L	B4gder, I found this http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/manual/rockbox_interface/images/
11:27:54	Benjamin_L	but the are labelled
11:28:00	Benjamin_L	*they
11:28:11	B4gder	aha
11:28:45	B4gder	the pics on the download page were generated and handed to us as images already, so perpahs some hands-on was needed
11:28:55	B4gder	pixelma should know
11:29:38	funman	linuxstb: I see tests depending of 'SAFE' macro, but they would just indicate if it failed (or not) - to investigate
11:30:00	funman	maybe we can calculate a worst case in mkamsboot
11:30:35	linuxstb	A worst case for what?
11:30:36	Benjamin_L	B4gder: Seems the pngs do as icons in my ubuntu just fine, thanks!
11:32:18	funman	linuxstb: decompressed_size(i) > offset_of_compressed_data + compressed_data(i) # where 'i' is the percentage of data already decompressed
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11:40:06	funman	linuxstb: what about this extra check : http://paste.ubuntu.com/52775/ ?
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11:41:07	funman	also you didn't put keypress code in test.S, was it on purpose?
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11:57:57	crazy_bus	I added this export PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/arm-elf/bin:/usr/local/m68k-elf/bin:/usr/local/sh-elf/bin to .bashrc so I could compile rockbox. However now when I open the terminal I get a page of info like this declare -x LS_COLORS="no=00:fi=00:di=01;34:ln=01;36:pi=......... do I have to have that if I want to compile?
11:59:30	linuxstb	funman: I just wanted to keep test.S as simple as possible for the first test.
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12:00:31	crazy_bus	okay this is strange. I hashed the line. Then exited. Then unhashed it and now the info is gone.
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12:00:49	linuxstb	funman: Regarding your patch to extract_fw.c - I think that makes sense. Maybe we should also check checksums etc, just to confirm it's the right file.
12:02:20	linuxstb	funman: But I think when mkamsboot.c is eventually moved into "tools", we can link it with the uclpack code directly, so we don't need a separate extract_fw.c or external call to the uclpack binary.
12:04:18	funman	and remove that scary message from uclpack ;)
12:04:28	linuxstb	;)
12:05:01	*	linuxstb wonders if there are any ARM emulators we could use to run this code in...
12:05:22	funman	I know of one : 'my friend with an e200'
12:05:48	linuxstb	Good enough - although it will be hard to find bugs if it doesn't work...
12:05:56	funman	there is not a lot of factors, the code appears fine at a first (human) sight
12:06:02	markun	linuxstb: maybe qemu? never tried it.
12:06:41	B4gder	maybe skyeye
12:06:49	linuxstb	funman: One thing I wasn't sure about is the parameters passed to the ucl function. I've set r0 and r1 as the src and dst, but didn't set r2 (the pointer to the uncompressed length). We need to check the code isn't writing to "*r2"
12:07:54	funman	linuxstb: dst is r2
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12:08:13	crazy_bus	I'm trying to build a rockbox simulator for the first time. But I get this error before make dies. Is there anything to do? /rockbox/build/apps/language.o: could not read symbols: File in wrong format
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12:10:06	linuxstb	funman: Ah yes, it seems it doesn't use the same params as the C version...
12:10:14	linuxstb	(or at least, the Rockbox C version...)
12:10:17	B4gder	crazy_bus: 'make clean' first perhaps?
12:10:39	linuxstb	funman: So that's bug #1...
12:10:45	funman	:)
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12:11:32	funman	qemu-arm expects elf programs
12:11:46	crazy_bus	thanks B4gder
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12:12:30	amiconn	crazy_bus: Don't mix target & sim builds, or different targets/sims in a build dir. Use one build dir per sim or target.
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12:13:40	crazy_bus	thanks for the tip amiconn
12:17:01	funman	skyeye also expect elf files
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12:23:58	crazy_bus	this is also probably obvious. But is there anyway to get give the compiled simulator to a person on the same os? Should I just compress the build directory or is there a command?
12:24:18	funman	the content of 'skyeye.conf' seems to be top secret ..
12:25:42	linuxstb	funman: Fix for bug #1 committed...
12:26:10	funman	thanks !
12:26:56	linuxstb	Looking at the code, I think it's safe to ignore r3 (plen_dst) - I've commented out the code that writes to it.
12:26:57	markun	crazy_bus: the 'archos' dir and the executable are all they need I think.
12:27:13	funman	I agree with that
12:28:14	crazy_bus	thanks markun
12:29:02	markun	crazy_bus: which OS are you using?
12:29:31	crazy_bus	linux, kubuntu 8.04
12:31:38	linuxstb	funman: What V2 device(s) do you own? I just have a Clip.
12:31:43	funman	same
12:31:55	funman	well I have 2, but only 1 is usable :'(
12:32:08	funman	fragilematter: ping
12:32:13	fragilematter	pong
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12:32:44	funman	would you mind testing the compressed bootloader?
12:32:44	linuxstb	funman: Yes, luckily they are fairly cheap...
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12:33:15	linuxstb	funman: I think I want to run the code safely somewhere first. Either on an e200v2, or adapting it to do something similar on another ARM target.
12:33:18	fragilematter	give me a sec to svn up
12:33:34	linuxstb	funman: But the more I look at the code, the more confident I feel...
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12:34:03	funman	I also felt confident before finding bug #1 :)
12:34:36	funman	fragilematter: I am looking at an ARM emulator if you want to wait a bit, to remove 1 chance of having to open your e200
12:34:47	fragilematter	:))
12:35:06	fragilematter	okay, in the mean time I'll compile uclpack, it seems I have to do that separately\
12:35:10	*	linuxstb realises funman's question was directed to fragilematter...
12:35:21	linuxstb	fragilematter: Just typing "make uclpack" in tools/ should do it
12:35:22	pondlife	LinusN: To extract my current H300 bootloader, do I use "Dump ROM contents"? It gives me a 4MB file
12:35:43	funman	linuxstb: yes sorry for confusing you ^^
12:35:53	pondlife	I just scramble that, and it should be good to go...?
12:35:55	fragilematter	i ran make in uclpack's dir and it worked
12:36:01	linuxstb	funman: So entering the e200v2 recovery mode involves shorting NAND pins? i.e. there's no key shortcut?
12:36:12	funman	none was found so far
12:36:13	fragilematter	linuxtsb: not yet
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12:36:30	fragilematter	unless you seriously brick the of (we only made it once :)) )
12:36:33	funman	maybe a good eye can trace the connections and find one
12:36:38	LinusN	pondlife: i think so
12:36:42	pondlife	heh
12:36:51	pondlife	think isn't quite enough ;)
12:36:55	LinusN	:-)
12:37:03	LinusN	i could try it on my player first...
12:37:23	pondlife	Might be safest, seeing as I have no unbrick hardware.
12:37:36	*	linuxstb hands pondlife a large brandy
12:37:45	pondlife	I want to get the current bootloader backed up, then I can try the current SVN one...!
12:37:51	*	fragilematter will be right back
12:37:54	pondlife	(or even the 3.0 one)
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12:41:09	tucoz	B4gder: just fyi, the svg's are labelled. But the labels is in a layer of its own, so its easy to get rid of those with inkscape.
12:41:12	*	fragilematter is waiting with the e200 in one hand and the modded firmware in the other for funman's approval
12:41:54	*	funman is fighting with a chinese software
12:42:37	*	fragilematter hands funman a bigger gun
12:44:57	crazy_bus	I downloaded a prebuilt simulator rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator/ from here. But all the .rock files are a lot smaller. Even with the fonts deleted it's 20.8 vs 6.8mb's. I know there's was from the 9th of sep. But is there any other reason?
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12:45:55	markun	crazy_bus: those are for windows, aren't they?
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12:46:25	crazy_bus	yes. That must be it
12:52:19	markun	crazy_bus: I'm making a gigabeat sim build to see how big it is on my freebsd machine
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12:53:43	linuxstb	fragilematter: If you can recover from a bad firmware, I would say to try it now, but I'm impatient ;)
12:54:42	fragilematter	I can recover, but I cracked the case open lots of times by now and I don't want to damage the plastic threads in wich the faceplate screws are tightened
12:55:07	fragilematter	so if I can avoid bricking the sansa I'm a happy camper :))
12:57:50	markun	crazy_bus: my archos folder is 39MB
12:57:56	fragilematter	here's the make output if you want to check it out, I think I'll go for it if you say it's ok http://paste.ubuntu.com/52793/
12:58:03	funman	well I have trouble with skyeye's memory configuration
12:58:32	crazy_bus	markun: interesting
12:58:36	funman	fragilematter: reading that output, if you are not doing a backup of your e200 firmware it's ok :o)
12:59:08	fragilematter	I have the firmware backed up since the old ages ;)
12:59:09	crazy_bus	markun: I wonder why the nix's are so much bigger than windows (mine was a bit smaller than that with fonts left in)
12:59:19	fragilematter	so, should I go for flashing?
12:59:27	kushal_12_27_200	Hello, is anyone else having any problems exiting out of the microphone recording in Sansa c2xx in Rockbox 3 stable? Or is it just my player randomly freezing since last evening?
12:59:37	funman	if you prefer to wait testing in an emulator first, no.
12:59:51	fragilematter	I like the adrenaline
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13:00:47	fragilematter	last chance to back out, unmounting the disk and unplugging the cable...
13:01:31	fragilematter	update in progress
13:01:52	fragilematter	completed, let's try it out
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13:03:12	funman	don't forget there is a minimal 5 seconds delay + the time needed for decompression (should be very fast anyway)
13:03:22	*	fragilematter credits funman for being a true killer... he killed fragilematter's e200 once again
13:03:32	funman	:(
13:03:42	gevaerts	JdGordon: during the last week or two, there have been several reports from people who get a Data Abort after upgrading to a new version. They all have automatic resume turned on. Can this be related to your recent changes?
13:03:58	*	linuxstb wonders why funman was blamed ;)
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13:04:25	linuxstb	fragilematter: Can you upload your patched firmware file somewhere?
13:04:25	JdGordon	gevaerts: umm.. yeah if we stuffed up the version check on the "vnram" settings
13:04:27	fragilematter	because funman always carries a full clip :D
13:06:28	gevaerts	JdGordon: I'll try to reproduce this tonight
13:06:37	gevaerts	vitja: ping
13:06:50	vitja	gevaerts: here
13:06:53	funman	oh I can use skyeye
13:07:21	funman	I just can't return from start, because it will put the emulated system in a undefined state
13:07:36	vitja	gevaerts: are we going to use more than one interface at time?
13:07:48	gevaerts	Yes. That works now, so...
13:08:03	gevaerts	I've actually used usb serial to debug mass storage
13:08:15	funman	linuxstb: do you want my skyeye config ?
13:08:18	vitja	hmm... what's the best way to solve?
13:08:30	vitja	tcc7xx have only 4 endpoints..
13:08:41	gevaerts	4+control, or 4 total?
13:08:57	vitja	control and bulk-in, bulk-out and interrupt
13:08:58	linuxstb	funman: Sure, but I have no time to try it now (I should be working...).
13:09:34	funman	ok, give me your email then
13:09:36	vitja	gevaerts: btw I have bulk working, I even read first blocks of flash once )
13:09:40	gevaerts	You can't choose between bulk and interrupt on a specific endpoint?
13:09:42	markun	gevaerts: are you planning to work on the USB driver for the D2?
13:10:05	vitja	gevaerts: think so
13:10:18	gevaerts	markun: once vitja's driver works, the d2 should be easy
13:10:21	vitja	gevaerts: but the main problem is ep direction
13:10:38	markun	gevaerts: and after that the meizu, right?
13:10:52	vitja	may be there should be something like usb_drv_request_endpoint() ?
13:11:22	vitja	that will return ep number and set it config in the driver?
13:11:27	gevaerts	Good idea. That would also solve the actual endpoint setup.
13:12:22	vitja	gevaerts: how arc driver will work? it can give one ep for in and one for out with the same numbers, that should be ok?
13:12:27	XavierGr	LinusN: where do you connect your BDM wiggler on an H300/H100? Do you actually solder the interface on the CPU?
13:13:33	gevaerts	vitja: that should work, yes. I can do the arc bit though (and test it...), so don't worry too much about that.
13:14:20	gevaerts	We'll have to think of a way to let usb_core know which endpoints got allocated by which driver in the end. Maybe a callback there?
13:14:58	vitja	gevaerts: what is that for?
13:15:13	LinusN	XavierGr: there are pads for a connector on the PCB, i solder a connector to it
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13:15:27	vitja	gevaerts: lets introduce usb_storage_init() that will request hw-driver for eps
13:15:45	vitja	gevaerts: and release that when done
13:16:10	gevaerts	vitja: that's the start, yes. But usb_core_handle_transfer_completion() needs to know about the allocations to call the correct completion handler
13:16:10	XavierGr	LinusN: How many lines?
13:16:17	LinusN	20
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13:17:43	vitja	so may be usb_core_request_ep(type, dir, callback) is better it will call usb_drv_reqeust_ep?
13:17:47	LinusN	XavierGr: http://download.rockbox.org/device-pictures/iriver/front.jpg right below the lcd on the left
13:17:51	XavierGr	LinusN: Do you think that something like this could work: http://www.cvs.cx/Documents/CFPOD.pdf
13:18:18	gevaerts	vitja: that's probably the cleanest, yes.
13:18:30	crazy_bus	hmm. I have a e200 and a theme called Mickey puts Mickey mouse on screen with moving hands (this is a default build). But I built a e200 sim on my machine and put the theme in. The backdrop is the same but the wps screen is just the main menu backdrop with no moving hands. Why is this?
13:18:47	gevaerts	vitja: if you don't get to it first, I'll do that tonight
13:19:15	XavierGr	LinusN: ah I see, must be a little tricky to solder wires there, though you mentioned a connector.
13:19:22	gevaerts	crazy_bus: by the way, the windows sim plugins are much smaller because they are stripped
13:19:29	LinusN	XavierGr: yes i use a connector
13:19:42	LinusN	i solder a connector to the pads
13:20:30	*	fragilematter resurrected his e200v2 and now goes to cast a nasty voodoo spell on funman :)) then he asks funman if he has anything else to test
13:20:39	vitja	gevaerts: ok
13:20:57	XavierGr	LinusN: sounds interesting, is it a standard connector that can be found easily?
13:21:11	LinusN	yes
13:21:33	linuxstb	fragilematter: Can you leave it open and still test things?
13:21:44	fragilematter	yep, that's what I did
13:22:02	funman	I wonder if arm 920 & arm 922 have the same instruction set
13:22:25	fragilematter	funman: there shouldn't be any huge differences
13:22:55	funman	yes but I'm emulating 920, so if there is at least 1 instruction not supported by 920 used by our code, it will fail
13:23:15	fragilematter	try it anyways, what have you got to lose?
13:23:38	fragilematter	it it works - great, if it doesn't - verify everything properly
13:23:42	LinusN	XavierGr: http://se.farnell.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?SKU=9786350
13:24:26	LinusN	XavierGr: however, the P&E wiggler uses a standard pin header, so you need to build an adapter
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13:24:56	gevaerts	markun: How hard would it be to enable interrupts on the meizu, knowing that we don't have lcd yet to make debugging easy?
13:25:16	kushal_12_27_200	hello, how can I update my last.fm from the songs I have listened to in my sansa c250? please advise (links are welcome)
13:25:17	LinusN	the cfpod will most certainly work, since it is made to be compatible with the P&E wiggler i use
13:25:26	BigBambi	QTCrobbler
13:25:31	BigBambi	*QTScrobbler
13:25:56	BigBambi	kushal_12_27_200: Have a look in google - it is on sourceforge and also has a last.fm group
13:26:09	*	linuxstb thinks we should probably strip the UCL header....
13:26:42	markun	gevaerts: you could start on your M3 with the LCD code from 'denes'
13:26:56	markun	when he shows up again
13:27:04	gevaerts	Indeed.
13:27:09	XavierGr	LinusN: nice to hear that, I came by it accidentally and since it has a full schematic I started thinking of building one.
13:27:14	kushal_12_27_200	Thank you, Bigbambi, found it now
13:27:26	gevaerts	It would be fun to have usb serial to help debugging lcd :)
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13:28:04	XavierGr	LinusN: it won't be an easy task though and since my equipment is limited in "spaghetti" wire I don't know if I will be capable of doing it
13:28:38	XavierGr	but it is an interesting project and a very good failsafe for irivers :P
13:28:44	LinusN	building this, and attaching it to the player is not trivial
13:29:20	LinusN	XavierGr: fyi, i built a usb bdm wiggler, but it doesn't work for me
13:29:58	LinusN	heck, i don't even know if my p&e wiggler works anymore, and i am supposed to unbrick petur's player - i'm just too busy nowadays
13:30:23	XavierGr	LinusN: I see... well if YOU didn't manage to build one that works then I guess my chances are drastically lower.
13:30:23	*	gevaerts gets back to work
13:30:39	XavierGr	LinusN: thanks for the info anyway.
13:31:18	linuxstb	fragilematter: Can you apply this patch to mkamsboot.c, then type "make clean" (just to be safe), then "make" and try again? http://www.pastebin.ca/1215704
13:31:33	LinusN	well, i built it and seems functional, but i never managed to connect to the 5249, it may be because the wiggler s/w may have to be tweaked
13:31:37	fragilematter	right away
13:32:59	fragilematter	linuxstb can you post that on paste.ubuntu.com, I seem to have a routing problem with pastebin.ca
13:33:34	XavierGr	LinusN: I will ask my local dealer if I can find the Xilinx CPLD. Then depedning on my mood I could just start the project. But yeah it is difficult and I am not sure I would be able to cope
13:33:43	linuxstb	fragilematter: Does this link work? http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/mkamsboot.diff
13:34:09	fragilematter	yep
13:35:30	funman	linuxstb: emulating with this patch will give me this error:
13:35:33	funman	SKYEYE:Error in mem_read_word, no bank found, NumInstrs 12462155, mem_read_word addr = c80f0014 no bank
13:35:48	funman	c80f0014 is the cgu_peri register of as3525
13:35:48	linuxstb	funman: That sounds good - looks like it's running the OF...
13:36:08	funman	yes, but I expected it to go in an infinite loop instead :/
13:36:39	linuxstb	Based on your elf program?
13:36:45	funman	no
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13:37:07	linuxstb	Where did you add the infinite loop?
13:37:18	funman	http://paste.ubuntu.com/52803/
13:37:28	funman	in test.S , after returning from ucl_unpack
13:37:34	LinusN	XavierGr: you need a way to program the cpld...
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13:38:54	linuxstb	fragilematter: You've tested it?
13:39:05	fragilematter	yep, it's dead
13:39:35	linuxstb	funman: Are you able to dump the RAM at 0x0 to see what's now there?
13:39:43	funman	no
13:39:56	funman	I don't have a libc (for write())
13:40:16	fragilematter	okay guys, I'm out, bbl
13:40:22	linuxstb	funman: I mean in gdb
13:40:43	funman	nor a gdb
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13:41:10	XavierGr	LinusN: Indeed, I thought that was going to be easy. Must search more first then
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13:44:20	funman	I have one now
13:45:06	linuxstb	funman: Maybe the "26" wasnt correct for fragilematter's ucl file - it looks right for my Clip file. I need to look at firmware/ucl2src.pl more closely...
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13:45:46	linuxstb	If you run ucl2src.pl on firmware_block.ucl, that gives what the Rockbox decompressor.c function requires.
13:45:57	linuxstb	(and hence, I hope, what our thumb function requires)
13:47:46	amiconn	linuxstb: Why don't you just test it on an already working arm target?
13:48:54	linuxstb	amiconn: I will do if all else fails... But funman seems to be making progress using an arm emulator to test.
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13:49:12	funman	looks like the process is stuck in the middle of the decompression
13:49:18	*	linuxstb shouldn't really be here either....
13:49:33	funman	or that the algorithm used isn't exactly the same
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13:54:26	linuxstb	funman: How did you discover that?
13:54:28	funman	http://paste.ubuntu.com/52812/
13:54:31	funman	I suppose
13:54:36	funman	the data is almost teh same
13:55:27	funman	but when I interrupt gdb, the code having been run could have modified what's at offset 0
13:56:34	funman	well the only difference is in the 0x30 first bytes
13:57:19	linuxstb	Hmm, the first 4 bytes in memory are set to 0...
13:59:04	linuxstb	And byte 0x2a is set to 0x28...
13:59:52	MarcGuay	Things marked "Due in 3.0" in the tracker should get bumped...
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14:00:03	MarcGuay	A script would be handy.
14:00:28	pondlife	Overdue in 3.1? ;)
14:00:35	funman	hm now I have differences only in the end of the firmware ..
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14:01:13	MarcGuay	pondlife: :)
14:03:10	linuxstb	funman: Have you tried setting a breakpoint at the end of the ucl unpack function? i.e. before you return to your loop?
14:03:19	funman	nope
14:03:50	funman	oh we forgot something I guess
14:04:38	funman	ah no you set the modified size correctly
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14:09:47	amiconn	linuxstb: Calling convention of rockbox's C version and the arm asm version are not the same. The asm version wants the compressed data length in r1, the C version doesn't need it
14:10:03	amiconn	This is probably because the rockbox C version doesn't support multiple blocks
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14:11:44	linuxstb	amiconn: Yes, I've discovered that, and now pass the src length in r1.
14:12:23	vitja	gevaerts: please take a look vitja/usb_request_endpoint.patch">ftp://stop.qc.to/vitja/usb_request_endpoint.patch
14:12:28	amiconn	And you probably need to pass a safe address in r3 where it can dump dst_len
14:13:00	linuxstb	afaics, I've commented out the statement that dumps dst_len
14:14:05	kushal_12_27_200	Hello, is anyone else having any problems exiting out of the microphone recording in Sansa c2xx in Rockbox 3 stable? Or is it just my player randomly freezing since last evening?
14:15:46	MarcGuay	kushal_12_27_200: I suggest trying to reproduce it, and if you can consistently, report a bug.
14:16:46	linuxstb	funman: I wonder if the "in-place" decompression isn't working as I expected it to...
14:17:04	linuxstb	i.e. things go wrong at the end...
14:17:09	kushal_12_27_200	ok ... It was working fine after the update in the morning but suddenly started freezing in the r_mic recording screen in the evening (no significant system changes in between)
14:18:37	linuxstb	kushal_12_27_200: Have you checked the disk for errors? Maybe the filesystem has got corrupted...
14:18:58	kushal_12_27_200	How do I do it?
14:19:43	linuxstb	On Windows, something like "chkdsk /f e:", on linux, something like "fsck.vfat /dev/sdX1", on OS X, something else...
14:20:48	kushal_12_27_200	You were right, linuxstb! I just verified the disk using disk utility. (Intel Mac OS 10.4.11). disk utility reports that the volume needs repair.
14:22:08	funman	linuxstb: well I discovered the 'stepi' command of gdb (execute only the next instruction) so we'll be able to debug what's going on
14:22:27	kushal_12_27_200	linuxstb, results here http://pastebin.com/f3d0be34c
14:22:39	funman	also I'll check how upx use the compression algorithm, maybe try a i386 decompressor
14:23:03	funman	I have to leave now, we're on the right track
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14:23:30	funman	to use gdb in skyeye, just use -d and connect to it with arm-elf-gdb, (gdb) target remote 127.0.0.1:12345
14:23:34	linuxstb	funman: The UCL source has an example of "in-place" decryption, but maybe the thumb version doesn't support it. But it sounds like you'll track it down...
14:23:48	preglow	why thumb, btw?
14:23:58	linuxstb	That's how it came...
14:23:58	kushal_12_27_200	linuxstb, looks funny to me ... http://pastebin.com/f4e74454e
14:24:11	funman	afaict the decompression seems to be stuck in an infinite loop
14:24:19	linuxstb	i.e. there was no 32-bit ARM version. But the fact that it's tiny (about 168 bytes) is very helpful to us.
14:24:57	preglow	ok, so the code doesn't have to run in thumb context because of some restriction?
14:25:20	linuxstb	No
14:25:51	funman	r1 is 0xffffffff .. ?
14:26:04	kushal_12_27_200	OK, linuxstb, I repaired the disk. Lets see if I can still reproduce the situation
14:26:07	linuxstb	kushal_12_27_200: I can't help with that - I would probably just reformat it (but be careful not to wipe the firmware partition - just reformat the existing FAT partition)
14:26:54	kushal_12_27_200	linuxstb, wouldn't formatting get rid of the sansa bootloader?
14:27:20	linuxstb	kushal_12_27_200: No, that's stored in the firmware partition. But as you've now repaired it, forget what I said.
14:27:37	kushal_12_27_200	ok thanks ttyl
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14:28:51	linuxstb	funman: When?
14:31:33	funman	well forever
14:31:55	funman	in gdb I mean
14:32:13	funman	I'll try to put breakpoints the next time
14:32:53	funman	I've put my skyeye config on the forum
14:32:58	funman	see you later
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14:47:11	gevaerts	vitja: I've had a quick look at it, and I think it's fine. Eventually we will need to specify the transfer type when requesting endpoints, but as long as it's always bulk that would only increase the size.
14:48:00	vitja	gevaerts: I was thinking about type too, and asked that we can do it later
14:48:25	gevaerts	yes. We'll add that once something needs it
14:49:39	vitja	gevaerts: if you will write usb-drv-arc part we can commit it, so it will be more easy to improve tcc one
14:49:53	gevaerts	I'll do the arc bits tonight. Do you mind if I commit the infrastructure parts of your patch at the same time? I would prefer not to commit half-working usb code
14:50:20	vitja	gevaerts: sure ;)
14:50:38	linuxstb	gevaerts: Have you looked at the AMS datasheet? Is the USB hardware there familiar?
14:50:39	gevaerts	I haven't really looked at your serial changes yet, but I think they need to be in a separate commit anyway
14:50:53	gevaerts	linuxstb: no. I don't have that one
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14:55:20	vitja	gevaerts: about serial. once I found that it tries to send negative packets I rewrote ring buffer completly
14:55:45	vitja	gevaerts: then I added recv part, and polling
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15:18:05	amiconn	linuxstb: There is a 32 bit arm version in the upx sources...
15:18:54	linuxstb	So there is...
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16:00:59	J-23	ahh...
16:01:05	J-23	still doesn't work
16:02:03	fragilematter	J-23 I'm sad to hear that. But it's weird since I recovered more than a dozen of times by now
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16:08:17	J-23	hooray!
16:08:19	J-23	it works :)
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16:08:41	fragilematter	told you it had to :P
16:09:04	*	J-23 needs to download OF_and_padding.gz through Tor :/
16:09:10	fragilematter	now dd the stuff and stop trying test stuff
16:09:21	fragilematter	still can't get to drop.io?
16:09:25	J-23	yes.
16:09:56	fragilematter	I'll send it to you if you wanyt
16:10:01	*	J-23 downloads.
16:10:27	fragilematter	even if I don't have much upload bandwidth it would be faster than tor
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16:21:49	J-23	how long should recovery (filling /dev/sdX with of_and_padding.bin) take?
16:22:01	fragilematter	a couple of minutes max
16:22:12	J-23	done :)
16:22:17	J-23	now what should I do?
16:22:28	J-23	just disconnect my player?
16:22:31	fragilematter	yep
16:22:49	fragilematter	then put the pcb on the back plate, connect the battery and try to start it
16:23:41	J-23	boots properly.
16:23:51	fragilematter	congrats, you made it
16:24:14	J-23	hmm, boots properly when connecting USB
16:24:20	J-23	but doesn't work with battery
16:24:31	J-23	with battery too.
16:24:34	J-23	thanks for help :)
16:25:09	fragilematter	you're welcome :)
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17:01:41	andy17null	Hey, this sounds pretty cool, but will I lose all the music stored on my iriver H10 20gb hard drive if I flash the Rockbox firmware?
17:02:02	LambdaCalculus37	Nope.
17:03:13	linuxstb	andy17null: Although hopefully you have a backup and don't trust a portable device to keep working forever...
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17:04:14	andy17null	well I do but it's in America and I'm in Prague and won't have access to that computer till january
17:04:38	andy17null	I can't seem to pull the songs off either, since it's an MTP device and Windows seems to treat it very differently
17:04:57	LambdaCalculus37	andy17null: Check out the H10 manual; there's a trick listed to put the device into MSC mode.
17:05:15	andy17null	i forgot about that, ty
17:05:36	LambdaCalculus37	The manual is everyone's best friend. ;)
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19:07:18	J-23	how many time is from hacking internal ROM of player and porting ROLO to having whole Rockbox port for player and what does it depend on?
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19:08:48	ameyer	J-23: it depends
19:09:06	*	gevaerts doesn't understand the question
19:09:17	ameyer	J-23: largely based on how much time the people have to work on the port and how many surprises they encounter
19:09:36	domonoky	J-23: something between weeks and years, no one can predict that...
19:10:31	ameyer	gevaerts: I'm going with "How long does it take to have a complete port of Rockbox once the internal rom is hacked(?) and ROLO is ported?"
19:10:44	ameyer	domonoky: never could be another option
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19:11:24	domonoky	ameyer: sure, as always no estimates in rockbox development :-)
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19:12:20	bill2or3	My iriver H340 only boots RB if I go into USB Bootloader mode first, if anyone has guesses about what'd cause that, speak up. My guess is something in ata-init()
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19:20:43	linuxstb	bill2or3: The "ata error -1" you've reported is being displayed by the bootloader? (i.e. not Rockbox itself after the bootloader has loaded it?)
19:21:10	kugel	LambdaCalculus37: So, do you like the patch? :)
19:21:34	bill2or3	linuxstb, that is correct.
19:21:45	linuxstb	bill2or3: As the people who can help (probably just LinusN) are not around often, I would open a flyspray bug report giving all the information you can about it. (unless you've done that already...)
19:22:16	bill2or3	I haven't, but I'll figure out how and do it tonight.
19:22:21	*	bill2or3 is just a user, really.
19:22:48	bill2or3	I did find the code that generates that message, but cant figure out what triggers that clause, exactly.
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19:28:42	LambdaCalculus37	kugel: It's working very nicely. :)
19:29:04	kugel	I've read you took a look at the patch
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19:33:40	kugel	LambdaCalculus37: are you also surprised how a relatively small feature like backlight fading has a rather big impact on the experience?
19:34:00	LambdaCalculus37	kugel: Indeed.
19:34:57	LambdaCalculus37	kugel: Only one thing needs to be fixed on the patch... all instances of "Arbeitskopie" should probably be replaced with "Working copy".
19:35:10	kugel	I remember when the patch was out of sync a while ago (I couldn't sync it myself back in that time, now I'm even expanding it to other targets :o ). I couldn't use it for some month, and it just wasnt the same
19:35:15	LambdaCalculus37	But I don't think it'll make much of a difference, as long as the patch applies clean.
19:35:46	kugel	well, that's what my german version of svn diff does. It doesn't make difference though
19:36:55	kugel	I believe all my patches that have been accepted said "Arbeitskopie", it doesn't need to be fixed
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19:38:11	dpb	I'm having trouble getting rockbox installed on my 30GB iPod... When I try to boot it, it just keeps saying Error! Can't load rockbox.ipod: File not found, it surely is in the second partition .rockbox/ directory.. I couldn't find anything in the faqs. Any ideas?
19:38:48	LambdaCalculus37	kugel: Okay.
19:38:52	kugel	dpb: IIRC Rockbox does only look in the first partition
19:39:23	kugel	the first fat one
19:39:37	LambdaCalculus37	dpb: How did you install? Manually or with Rockbox Utility?
19:39:39	dpb	kugel: The iPod manuals say different.
19:39:48	dpb	LambdaCalculus37: manually
19:40:23	kugel	dpb: Well I could be wrong, but I'm fairly sure, that at least the bootloader doesn't support multiple partitions
19:40:44	LambdaCalculus37	kugel: There are two partitions on most iPods... the first is the "firmware" partition, and the second is the main "storage" partition.
19:40:52	LambdaCalculus37	dpb: Try using Rockbox Utility.
19:40:54	LambdaCalculus37	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility
19:41:06	kugel	LambdaCalculus37: the firmware partition isn't fat32 though
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19:42:18	dpb	kugel: Well I was talking about the real partitions. Not just the fat partitions. :)
19:42:23	dpb	LambdaCalculus37: I'll try that.
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19:42:39	domonoky	kugel, the first fat partition on ipods is the second one, so that should be right...
19:42:56	LambdaCalculus37	dpb: And make sure to read the manual... there's a quiz coming up on it. ;)
19:43:19	kugel	domonoky: I'm aware of that, but dpb sounded like he would have a second "storage" partition
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19:43:59	kugel	dpb: sorry then
19:44:27	kugel	jhMikeS: ping
19:44:44	dpb	Hrmm, this Rockbox Utility says my configuration is invalid..
19:45:29	domonoky	dpb: read to the the end of the message :-) thats normal on first start of rbutil, as you have not configured it..
19:45:34	LambdaCalculus37	That's normal the first time you run it.
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19:45:39	kugel	dpb: doesn't it also say that's due to running it for the first time?
19:45:39	*	LambdaCalculus37 is too slow :)
19:45:47	*	kugel too
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19:46:23	dpb	Well, it says it all the time. Even after I "configure" it.
19:47:02	linuxstb	domonoky: What does that warning actually mean? Is it that there is no local configuration file (how/where is that stored), or that one was found, and it was invalid?
19:47:09	dpb	Ah. Needs to be run as root.. :)
19:47:17	*	linuxstb finds it odd...
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19:47:42	LambdaCalculus37	linuxstb: I get that message as well, usually from running RBUtil without the listed DAP connected to my computer.
19:47:45	domonoky	then your are not correctly configureing it.. use autodetection, and/or set your device and mountpoint..
19:47:58	domonoky	and yes for ipods it needs root access..
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19:48:11	mmornati	hi guys...
19:48:26	mmornati	I've a question for you... because I don't really understand reading on the site...
19:48:40	domonoky	linuxstb: its not the stored config, but rbutil detected that the mointpoint is invalid, or it doesnt have a device selected..
19:48:41	linuxstb	domonoky: _may need_ root access... That depends on users/groups etc.
19:48:44	mmornati	creative devices are supported from rockbox?
19:48:50	linuxstb	domonoky: Then why doesn't it say that?
19:49:44	domonoky	isnt it that what it says ? the configuration is invalid. (not meaning a file, but the current activ configuration)
19:50:23	linuxstb	mmornati: No. There is work-in-progress to port Rockbox to some creative devices, but it's still in the early stages, and I think it's still only suitable for developers to hack on, rather than users to test/use.
19:51:27	mmornati	Ok... is it possibile to have a "guide" (line guide) about firmware porting?
19:51:47	mmornati	I think I could help you with my two creative devices...
19:51:54	dpb	LambdaCalculus37: Using the utility didn't help. It still gives me the file not found error.
19:51:56	mmornati	(surely I'm a developer :P)
19:52:01	kugel	There's a PortingHowTo wiki page
19:52:15	gevaerts	dpb: is this a 5th gen or a 5.5th gen ipod?
19:52:22	dpb	5.5th
19:52:37	mmornati	okkey
19:52:39	*	gevaerts guessed that :)
19:52:59	dpb	(afaik)
19:53:08	linuxstb	mmornati: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/NewPort You probably want to read the forum threads (in the New Ports sub-forum) about the Creative devices, to see what the current status is.
19:53:57	mmornati	sure... I have just started looking on rockbox web site... and I thought faster way to have a response on this was asking on channel! :)
19:53:58	linuxstb	domonoky: What about just saying "No devices found" instead of "configuration invalid" ?
19:54:18	mmornati	now I starting to read lot of documentation and forum threads
19:54:39	gevaerts	dpb: can you download bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod from http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9369#comment25959 and install that using "ipodpatcher -a bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod" ?
19:54:41	mmornati	anyway it's a really good project...
19:54:47	gevaerts	linuxstb: that's not true either
19:54:55	linuxstb	mmornati: Also, only one or maybe two developers are working on it, and they're not always around here. Most of us don't have a clue about the status of the Creative ports.
19:55:07	linuxstb	gevaerts: Why not?
19:55:48	mmornati	do you know names of those developers?
19:55:48	gevaerts	linuxstb: ok, technically it's true. However, it didn't find devices because it didn't search yet
19:56:29	linuxstb	gevaerts: OK, but that's what the second part of the message is for - to tell the user they need to help rbutil find their device.
19:56:38	gevaerts	mmornati: have a look at http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?board=16.0
19:58:43	dpb	gevaerts: tried that, no help
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20:00:22	gevaerts	linuxstb: have you seen the message shown by newer versions of rbutil?
20:01:02	linuxstb	gevaerts: I've just looked at the source code - is this it? "Your configuration is invalid. This is most likely due to a new installation of Rockbox Utility or a changed device path. The configuation dialog will now open to allow you to correct the problem."
20:01:15	gevaerts	dpb: weird. I would expect that to help. Did you format the FAT partition from linux?
20:01:26	dpb	gevaerts: yes
20:01:35	gevaerts	using mkfs.vfat?
20:01:40	dpb	yes
20:01:56	gevaerts	linuxstb: on first start I get "This is a new installation of Rockbox Utility, or a new version. The configuration dialog will now open to allow you to setup the program, or review your settings."
20:02:10	gevaerts	dpb: can you try again using mformat?
20:02:32	dpb	where can I find mformat? :)
20:03:31	gevaerts	It's in the mtools package
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20:04:13	dpb	Got it
20:04:24	linuxstb	gevaerts: Hmm, I would perhaps just not display that message at all, and go straight to the configuration dialog.
20:04:46	linuxstb	But that wasn't the message dpb was reporting.
20:05:01	gevaerts	linuxstb: I don't care much. I just rephrased that message a while ago
20:05:36	dpb	How do I find out the drive letter to give to mformat?
20:05:59	linuxstb	I think you need to add it to /etc/mtools.conf
20:06:33	gevaerts	dpb: in /etc/mtools.conf add a line like 'drive a: file="/dev/sdwhatever2"'
20:07:01	*	domonoky would find it nice, if others find time to polish rb a little, it could need some love :-)
20:07:13	domonoky	s/rb/rbutil/
20:12:04	dpb	Yes! That got it to work. Thanks a lot. :)
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20:16:38	kugel	LambdaCalculus37: So, do you plan to keep fs#6800 in your "custom" build, or help getting it into svn?
20:17:21	LambdaCalculus37	kugel: I would like to get it into SVN, but I would like that the devs take a look at it first.
20:17:51	kugel	sure, that's why I said "help"
20:19:47	LambdaCalculus37	kugel: It doesn't appear to have broken anything else. I was playing music on my beast with the patch still applied and playback and performance were unaffected. How is performance on your Sansa?
20:21:07	kugel	similarly
20:21:57	LambdaCalculus37	My c240 is performing very nicely, too.
20:22:01	*	pixelma wonders why the pegbox greyscale graphics are all named "x4" in the colour depth part and also why the "pieces" one exists - it is monochrome after all
20:22:30	kugel	It's performing so well, since it uses the backlight thread nicely
20:22:34	LambdaCalculus37	pixelma: I was wondering about that myself. Perhaps someone goofed when naming them?
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20:23:24	LambdaCalculus37	kugel: I can't close patches on FS, but I think it should go in since it doesn't appear to affect performance on the targets it's intended for.
20:23:36	*	gevaerts was wondering how much FS #6800 increases the binsize, but as he's planning some work that will most probably also increase it, he'll shut up ;)
20:23:53	LambdaCalculus37	gevaerts: Want to try it out to see?
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20:24:16	pixelma	I'm probably going to change them all anyways so maybe there is a chance to rename them (if there is no specific reason they should stay this way)
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20:24:42	*	LambdaCalculus37 can't think of a reason why
20:24:46	kugel	it should actually slightly decrease binary size on the beast, since it's removing the HAVE_LCD_ENABLE #define as a side effect
20:24:53	pixelma	"all" was the wrong term - put the pices ones
20:25:12	pixelma	pieces too
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20:25:33	gevaerts	kugel: #defines don't get into compiled code
20:25:55	kugel	gevaerts: but the code resulting of defines
20:26:11	kugel	as in the stuff between #ifdef and #endif
20:26:26	*	bluebrother feels like reading basic programming course
20:26:36	kugel	I talked to jhMikeS who told HAVE_LCD_ENABLE isn't implemented at all
20:27:01	gevaerts	kugel: There's only one way to find out. Compile with and without, and compare rockbox-info.txt
20:27:18	*	gevaerts doesn't care either way. The delta won't be huge anyway
20:27:41	kugel	gevaerts: the size was reduced, but I had the lcd fade changes appied, so I didn't compare with a clean svn
20:27:57	kugel	some 100bytes
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20:29:27	gevaerts	I'd still prefer backlight_fade_state to be an enum
20:29:40	kugel	gevaerts: ah right, that should be changed
20:30:11	LambdaCalculus37	kugel: Make backlight_fade_state to an enum, and post a new patch.
20:30:21	LambdaCalculus37	gevaerts: Would an enum keep the binsize low?
20:30:48	gevaerts	LambdaCalculus37: enums disappear once the code is compiled. They're just integer types
20:31:14	LambdaCalculus37	gevaerts: Ahh.
20:32:38	kugel	LambdaCalculus37: http://www.embedded.com/columns/programmingpointers/9900402?_requestid=383387
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20:37:20	gevaerts	kugel: any reason why sansa _backlight_on() and _backlight_off() can't just call _backlight_set_brightness_helper() now?
20:38:02	gevaerts	kugel: then _backlight_fade_down() doesn't need to have the first if() anymore, and it can drop the _backlight_off() call from the second if() I think
20:38:28	kugel	gevaerts: Well, that'd be the svn way, without fading :)
20:38:35	gevaerts	Why?
20:38:52	kugel	helper sets the brightness
20:39:00	kugel	without fading
20:39:39	gevaerts	Yes, so _backlight_on() and _backlight_off() can call that instead of calling pp_i2c_send() directly
20:39:43	kugel	the actual design of the code isn't mine anyway, I just adapted it to beast
20:40:08	*	gevaerts is probably wrong on the _backlight_fade_down() thing.
20:40:44	gevaerts	kugel: that's not major anyway. I'd prefer to see only one pp_i2c_send() call, but very probably others disagree
20:42:13	kugel	gevaerts: for e200 I created the helper, that helped me porting to beast (the beast needs the helper). I decided to keep it that way for consistency
20:42:34	kugel	the e200 actually did it the way you proposed in the previous versions
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20:44:08	kugel	uhh, they still do
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20:45:00	kugel	wait, I'm confused
20:46:19	kugel	Ahh, I read your sentence wrong. Well, your suggestion sounds fine :)
20:47:59	kugel	gevaerts: Sorry, I'm a bit tired today. I'll do it that way
20:48:18	gevaerts	Don't worry :) I am too
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21:52:47	vollkorn	Hi my name is Jan Girlich and I'm living in Hamburg. Since yesterday I own an iriver H10 5GB and everything works fine. So I was testing the FM radio and noticed there is no preset file for Hamburg. So I created one. Since I do not plan to contribute anymore than this I'm looking for a way to just get this file added to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FmPresetsEurope without creating an account. What do you recommend to do?
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21:54:31	scorche\|sh	vollkorn: we have a real name policy with contributions which is why we require accounts
21:58:37	vollkorn	scorche: So it's okay to register for an account just for contributing a FM presets file? I was hesitating a bit since it says "Please do not register if you don't plan to contribute."
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21:59:01	linuxstb	vollkorn: Contributing once counts ;)
21:59:03	scorche\|sh	well, you are contributing something, no? ;)
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22:00:15	vollkorn	Okay, cool with me :)
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22:06:56	linuxstb	gevaerts: What's the damage? (and for what?)
22:07:57	gevaerts	linuxstb: nearly 600 bytes, for reorganising the USB code to allow it to handle the tcc controller better
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22:08:29	gevaerts	600 bytes might be OK for a feature, but for pure refactoring that's too much
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22:08:48	vollkorn	I registered at the wiki now. My wiki name is JanGirlich. Could I get write permission to add my preset file, please?
22:10:23	linuxstb	vollkorn: Done.
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22:10:42	sandsmark	how do I upgrade my rockbox installation?
22:11:05	bluebrother	sandsmark: just install a newer build
22:11:10	sandsmark	oh, ok
22:11:39	bluebrother	in Rockbox Utility use the installation tab, then simply "Install Rockbox"
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22:12:59	sandsmark	ok, seems to work nicely =)
22:15:58	sandsmark	the theme installer doesn't work, I take it?
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22:17:37	scorche	sandsmark: thats why it gives that message ;)
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22:18:17	embrion	hi, main rockbox site is up, but forums are definetly down
22:18:37	scorche	i am aware..
22:19:07	embrion	ok
22:19:27	ea_suter	hi there
22:20:12	ea_suter	i've just got myself an e280
22:20:23	ea_suter	and it (unfortunately) appears o be a v2
22:20:40	ea_suter	so how can i participate in the porting iniciative??
22:21:01	Bagder	ea_suter: check the v2 thread in the forum
22:21:12	petur	oh bugger, I think that http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SubmitWPS should be updated - somebody actually followed that guide...
22:21:32	ea_suter	well, i was trying to look at the forums, but i cant access the pages
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22:21:53	ea_suter	is the forum down or something?
22:22:01	embrion	yes it is down
22:22:24	Bagder	scorhe put the poor thing to sleep for a while
22:22:30	Bagder	scorche even
22:23:16	embrion	ea_suter: how you can help to v2 port depends on if you can code for ex
22:23:19	bertrik	ea_suter, you can also have a look at the currently documented information on the wiki, for example the SansaV2 page
22:23:22	webguest69	don't know if you know about it, but Leo has stated that they are going to cover Rockbox on FLOSS weekly (in about 40 mins on http://live.twit.tv)
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22:23:37	BigBambi	webguest69: Yes, Llorean is going to be interviewed
22:23:46	webguest69	Cool!
22:24:38	scorche	embrion: ea_suter: it should be back now...
22:24:58	ea_suter	how do you mean "code for x"?
22:25:28	*	bertrik guesses "code for example"
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22:26:03	embrion	scorche: thx, betrik: good guess
22:26:16	embrion	*bertrik, sorry
22:26:38	scorche	embrion: dont thank me...i killed it in the first place...
22:26:43	*	scorche weeps for his uptime
22:27:01	gevaerts	embrion: please use complete words
22:27:08	embrion	"it's alive!"
22:27:35	embrion	scorche: i believe you had a good couse
22:28:09	petur	regarding http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SubmitWPS : do we want themes uploaded to the wiki or theme site (don't know the status of the themes site)
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22:30:28	kugel	just delete that page or let it only contain a link to the wpsgallery
22:30:53	Llorean	petur: Well, one question is "Do we want themes in SVN?" too.
22:31:00	bluebrother	IMO we want to use the theme site once its done
22:31:05	kugel	at least until the status of the theme site is known*
22:31:35	bluebrother	also, shouldn't the themes in svn be available for all targets? I know this currently isn't true ...
22:31:58	petur	Iḿ just wondering regarding FS 9433 - he really followed the wiki page but I do not think it is for svn inclusion
22:32:08	Llorean	bluebrother: I don't think that's necessary.
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22:39:20	ea_suter	sorry for my asking, but whats does coding for example mean exactly?
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22:40:20	scorche\|sh	bluebrother: is it alright to change the file on t.r.o to say something to the effect that "this is expected to fail"?
22:40:31	scorche\|sh	might stop all these inquiries we are getting
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22:50:00	aaaaa	hy i need some help
22:50:22	linuxstb	aaaaa: We ask you to ask, not to ask to ask
22:50:51	aaaaa	i have a1g ipod nono and i instal rockbox
22:50:55	Strife89	linuxstb: Wow, that's a sentence of the day. ;)
22:51:05	aaaaa	but how do i put video on him
22:51:11	Strife89	aaaaa: There
22:51:25	linuxstb	aaaaa: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/PluginMpegplayer
22:51:29	Strife89	aaaaa: There's a Wiki page with plenty of intructions.
22:51:32	blkhawk	aaaaa: how can you be sure its a him?
22:51:51	Strife89	linuxstb: Jeez, beat me to it.... ;)
22:52:06	*	Strife89 is not typing at his best today.
22:52:21	scorche\|sh	blkhawk: english as a second language...many languages use male/female terms
22:52:25	aaaaa	ok thx if i dot manege can i come back?
22:52:51	Strife89	Yeah.
22:53:06	aaaaa	thx you are a nice guy
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22:54:20	kugel	gevaerts: so, the helper function would only contain the i2c_send command. Would it better for helper to be inline in this case?
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22:55:38	gevaerts	kugel: making it inline wouldn't hurt, although I would expect the compiler to figure that out
22:56:18	kugel	so it's likely to not matter at all?
22:57:06	gevaerts	I'd expect so, yes. Of course making it explicitely inline doesn't hurt a lot either, and then you're sure
22:57:07	Llorean	It sounds like "it's not guaranteed to help, but if the compiler is stupid it might help some and it shouldn't hurt either way"
22:57:24	bluebrother	scorche\|sh: sure. Just put in any text that is considered helpful
22:58:08	scorche\|sh	bluebrother: that could be dangerous ;)
22:58:38	Bagder	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ReleaseChecklist
22:58:42	*	Strife89 tries putting in "Make it work better." :)
22:58:42	Bagder	my first shot
22:58:51	bluebrother	"if you see this text the autodetection has noticed that Rockbox is nothing for you. Please perform an uninstall immediately"?
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23:00:39	*	linuxstb discovers the "overhead" factor when doing in-place ucl decompression...
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23:02:06	Llorean	linuxstb: Is it a significant block?
23:02:30	BigBambi	Bagder: A rbutil that can download the release (I don't know if this is a non-issue going forward)
23:03:05	Llorean	BigBambi: Is our rbutil hard-coded to one release right now, or abstracted so we can just post a new one somewhere and it'll use the newest?
23:03:18	linuxstb	Llorean: Just another bug to fix...
23:03:26	gevaerts	It shouldn't be a problem, but "testing rbutil" may be good to put in the checklist
23:03:34	BigBambi	Llorean: I don't know, that's what I was (admittedly obliquely getting at)
23:03:43	Bagder	"make sure we have a rbutil version around that can install the new version"
23:03:45	BigBambi	reposition ) as equired
23:03:49	Bagder	just added
23:03:51	BigBambi	Bagder: yeah :)
23:03:52	Llorean	Bagder: Another possibility: Draft a press release so that any pages covering it have some basic "correct" facts about Rockbox they can use.
23:04:15	Bagder	good idea
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23:04:50	*	gevaerts finds that his new and improved memory-wasting code doesn't actually work
23:05:32	*	Llorean can write code that's quite effective at wasting memory.
23:05:44	*	Llorean thinks "failing at wasting memory" might be a good thing...
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23:06:22	gevaerts	Actually the memory wasting bit works. It's the rest that doesn't
23:06:54	Llorean	What were you working on?
23:07:32	gevaerts	Reorganising the USB stack so vitja's work fits in better
23:08:12	Llorean	Ah
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23:12:30	Bagder	FLOSS Weekly going live RSN
23:12:49	kugel	gevaerts: thanks to you I actually noticed that the i2c_sent command was actually sent twice with brightness = 0
23:12:54	bluebrother	Bagder: link?
23:13:03	Bagder	http://live.twit.tv/ is live video
23:13:12	Bagder	flash-based
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23:13:24	bluebrother	thanks
23:13:31	gevaerts	http://67.228.204.146:8000/twit for audio-only flash-free content
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23:15:24	Llorean	Video won't matter much, since only one of the three voices is on camera anyway.
23:17:07	linuxstb	Hmm, seems that "in-place" UCL decompression actually requires an extra 32KB of RAM... :(
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23:37:27	RandalSchwartz	Paul Louden live on live.twit.tv
23:38:30	Bagder	yeps, we're on track!
23:39:08	domonoky	wow, my code runs in the show.. and it works :-)
23:39:19	Bagder	haha
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23:40:36	bluebrother	too bad m1.0.7 doesn't have the new bootloader stuff ;-)
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