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#rockbox log for 2008-10-04

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00:31:09amiconnThe battery will drain faster when the drive is actually accessed vs. when spinning but idle
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00:36:08*gevaerts finally has working usb again...
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00:48:34*kugel added his test_results to the wiki page.
00:48:55kugelAAC and (of course) MP3 improved nicely since the last test
00:51:04kugelgevaerts: Nice red :)
00:51:40kugelat least not on a supported target
00:51:54kugelso, it's not dark-red :P
00:52:52gevaertsNo, but not good all the same
00:55:43*gevaerts finds DOS-style line endings in isp1583.c
00:55:51kugelgevaerts: did you leave LOGF_ENABLE uncommented on purpose?
00:56:06gevaertskugel: look at the next commit :)
00:58:01gevaertsI could "fix" the red by adding dummy implementations of the new functions, but that's not very clean
00:58:45gevaertsOr I could leave the red until mcuelenaere can help
00:59:48*kugel likes the latter.
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01:00:45*gevaerts tries option 3: learn enough about the driver to fix it properly
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01:08:50*gevaerts hopes for the best
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01:10:45FOX9P3400Hi all I looking to obtain a c200eraser for m bricked sansa c250
01:10:55markungevaerts: for which player are you working on USB?
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01:11:08gevaertsmarkun: right now all of them
01:11:14FOX9P3400USB, a sansa c250
01:11:28FOX9P3400my bad
01:11:36gevaertsFOX9P3400: what's wrong with it exactly?
01:11:47FOX9P3400stuck in manufacure mode
01:12:09FOX9P3400I wiped the onboard storage with killdisk
01:12:18gevaertsHave you tried the normal recovery procedures, as described on
01:13:31FOX9P3400i get up to to the 16mb recovery partition and after copying a bootloader and mi4 firmware in it reboots and i'm still stuck w/ the blue lights
01:13:43gevaertsok. "killdisk" sounds like it could have this sort of effect. What operating system are you using?
01:14:04FOX9P3400xp pro
01:14:17FOX9P3400imeant ubuntu live 8.04
01:14:48gevaertsok, ubuntu sounds a lot better :) My eraser tool won't work in windows...
01:14:56*gevaerts looks around for where he put it
01:14:58FOX9P3400i figured
01:15:56gevaertsYou should be able to download it from gevaerts/c250erase">
01:16:24FOX9P3400thanks, can i get a fool proof manual
01:16:37gevaertsI can quickly tell you :)
01:16:43gevaertsWhen you get it, run :
01:16:48gevaerts"chmod +x c250erase"
01:17:05gevaertsThen plug in the c250
01:17:15gevaertsThen run "sudo ./c250erase"
01:17:48gevaertsIgnore all mentions of e200r. I never got around to cleaning this up properly
01:17:58FOX9P3400thanks again
01:18:42gevaertsThat should show lots of numbers on the sansa screen, counting down. After a while (45 minutes, maybe more...), it tells you that it's ready, and to press a key to power off
01:19:12FOX9P3400ok sounds good
01:19:20gevaertsWhen you're there, it's in "normal" manufacure mode, so the procedure from SansaE200Unbrick should work
01:19:48FOX9P3400does kwrite open .txt files?
01:20:07gevaertsAfter restoring from that, it's best to choose Settings->Format in the original firmware, to make sure it's entirely clean
01:20:12*gevaerts thinks so, yes
01:20:38FOX9P3400alright i'll try it out and post back
01:20:47FOX9P3400so by for now
01:21:02gevaertsGood luck
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01:24:13gevaertsmarkun: now the infrastructure should be good enough for vitja to properly integrate his driver
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01:47:03funmanI have the Clip target quite well integrated in rockbox now, but I prefer any way to test the bootloader on e200v2 once the target for it has been added to the build system
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01:48:26funmanhere is what I have in my tree if someone wants to help adding other SansaV2 models:
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03:08:24FOX9P3400Gevaerts u on?
03:08:45*gevaerts points FOX9P3400 to the channel guidelines about real words
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03:08:50gevaertsYes, I'm here
03:09:02FOX9P3400thanks for the help
03:09:10FOX9P3400it worked
03:09:14gevaertsgreat :)
03:09:49FOX9P3400it took a while but that was worth it, now to get a new connector for my skull candys
03:13:40gevaertsYes, it is slow. It's not really used often enough to be worth spending too much time on to optimise it though
03:15:43FOX9P3400still its useful
03:16:21FOX9P3400i'm glad i dumped the bootloader + firmware when i got it
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03:33:01preglowstill no interview :/
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03:59:58imthedanhey i just installed rockbox.. im trying to play pacbox, but it's saying i don't have the rom or something
04:01:31imthedanany help?
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04:03:10Unhelpfulimthedan: it's an emulator for the arcade pacman machine. you'll need to get the arcade rom file from somewher.
04:04:41imthedansomewhere? is it illegal?
04:05:30LloreanIt's legal to copy it off a Pac Man machine that you own.
04:05:39LloreanAny other way, it depends on your local laws, but is probably a violation of copyright.
04:06:18imthedando i need a specific file? in other words, if i search and find one will it mess rockbox up if it's not the right one?
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04:10:00Unhelpfulto my knowledge, the worst that will happen is that pacbox won't play
04:10:20imthedanok thanks
04:10:33imthedanfinally, can i make playlists with Foobar 2000?
04:11:03scorche|shjust make sure foobar is exporting them as m3u playlists
04:11:12imthedanoh ok right on
04:11:17imthedanthanks a lot guys. really helpful.
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04:38:04Waldo000000hi all, on olympus m:robe, morse input seems to be disabled or broken - the manual says that "Display + Power" enters morse input mode, however this does nothing. should i file a bug?
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04:43:54Waldo000000oh, that's the MR100, not the MR500, of course
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04:47:11funmanblkhawk-: ping
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04:49:02LloreanWaldo000000: Be aware: very, very, very few people have that player so it's likely nobody around even knows if that feature is supposed to be working yet. You could have a look at the source and try to figure it out.
04:49:16kugelfunman: hey, I've looked through your patch. Looks nice
04:49:29funmankugel: I've fixed some errors since ^^
04:49:49kugelI expected that. That's why I wait with adding the fuze
04:50:10kugelbut still, you already had pretty much code there didn't you?
04:50:16funmanlike, the model specific buttonchecks
04:50:29funman'only' the drivers need to be made
04:50:49funmanI hoped to see atomicpunk online and test its lcd code
04:51:09kugelfirmware/export/as3525.h <−− what's that file? where did you get it?
04:51:15funmanI just looked at the OF code for it and it seems it needs timer interrupts
04:51:23funmanfrom a patch on flyspray
04:51:34kugelfrom this patch by hth?
04:52:13funmanFS #8843
04:52:17kugelI knew it would become usefull :)
04:52:30kugelgood that I reminded you all of it
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04:52:46kugelwell, I guess we'll need to see how useful it really is
04:53:12funmanat least I don't have to retype all the list of registers ;)
04:57:56Waldo000000Llorean: thanks for the heads up. do you know of anyone on the development team that does, or has an interest in the mr100? or of any way i can get in touch/keep up to date with them?
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05:00:00LloreanWaldo000000: No I don't know of anyone with one, and the only way to keep up to date is to just follow the changelog on the front page. A large portion of changes affect all players, and a little reading of the files changed and the notes can usually clue you in when they do not.
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05:01:14funmanWaldo000000: maybe you can write to the mailing list
05:01:33Waldo000000Llorean: k thanks, i might just come on board when i have a bit more time. catchya later :)
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05:02:29saratogafunman: is your patch online somewhere?
05:04:24funmansaratoga: I had pasted it on the ubuntu pastebin, let me redo it with what I made since
05:04:43funmanbut don't expect much of it except that it builds and run main()
05:05:37saratogafunman: i'm not running anything yet, but would like to keep pace with development
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05:06:18funmanI'm trying to understand the new firmware format in the Clip hardware v2, the file header changed slightly
05:06:55saratogai'm guessing a lot of that code is from linux?
05:07:31funmanonly the header with hardware registers
05:08:08funmanI don't understand the Linux code in FS #8843, so I didn't copy it
05:08:57saratogahas it been confirmed that the V2 clip has SDRAM?
05:09:52funmanthe OF initialises the "external memory interface" that's all I know
05:10:19funmangoogle for "extmemifslave" reveals that this interface is not documented
05:11:33saratogagoogling that reveals a link to a newer version of the datasheet then i have that was recently pulled
05:11:37saratogai wonder what they've updated
05:12:03funmanI ran pdf2ps on the 2 datasheets and diff but found no difference
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05:12:33funmanweird since the page tailor is different
05:12:58saratogathe v12 one?
05:13:16funmanI hope that if the changes were important they would have added a changelog
05:13:45saratogahow'd you find a copy?
05:14:15funmanof the v12 ? when searching documentation for that "extmem interface" since the register is used in the V1 OF as well
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05:15:11saratogathe link works for you?
05:15:32funmanhm not anymore ..
05:16:06saratogawell if theres no difference its not too interesting anyway
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05:17:04funmansince the pdf *are* differents (every page has the version number at the bottom) my test somehow failed
05:17:38LloreanDid you do a visual check of the pdf2ps output to make sure it wasn't just generating a generic error file, or a blank file, or something?
05:18:38funmanI did, it was correct, but didn't check the bottom of the page
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05:26:38saratogathere is a changelog, but the differences are insignificant
05:27:01funmanmaybe the corrected "CGU frequency settings" will be useful
05:27:24funmanor the bootloader description if it's part of the new Clips
05:28:44saratogathose were in the old version too
05:29:04saratogav1 is actually v11
05:29:20saratogaor rather v10
05:29:35saratogaso we got an updated pinout and an old section removed :)
05:32:31saratogafunman: looking at the docs, they reference the "PL180 Technical Reference Manual" for "Multimedia Card Interface"
05:32:43saratogathe PL180 then mentions SD card support
05:32:49funmanhm I hadn't seen that in the datasheet
05:32:55funmanbut from reverse engineering it was very clear
05:33:17funmansince the AMS bootloader loads the firmware from NAND I suspect when we boot the hardware is already initialized
05:33:43funmansaratoga: yes I tried to write the driver for it but failed
05:34:06funmanatomicpunk is writing the LCD driver, when it's ready it will be easier to get register values
05:35:18saratogaah ok
05:35:32saratogahopefully thats what we use, since it has all the register addresses in the datasheet
05:36:01saratogaah but most are in the AMS datasheet anyway
05:36:03funmansome settings are specifics (like voltage)
05:36:51funmanand SanDisk use a 'spare register' before running the PL180 code
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05:37:17funmanit probably means that the NAF (NAND) base address is bound to a PL180 controller, and not the AMS NAND controller
05:37:59saratogathat would make sense since the pl180 is the SD controller, and sandisk seems to prefer SD over direct NAND
05:38:27saratogaprobably helpful on devices like the clip since the sd card handles wear leveling, and not the CPU with its limited memory
05:41:03funmanI think I need to check the Clipv2 OF to see if they still use SD
05:41:14funmanI try to figure the new checksum they added
05:42:14saratogafunman: the clipv2 sounds interesting, but until someone gets one is it all that interesting to look at?
05:42:46funmanit prevents me from going to sleep at least
05:42:50saratogaalso, how does the LCD interface work on the AMS chip? I see theres an interface for an external controller, but no mention of a built in one
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05:43:23funmansaratoga: I think the controller is known, it should be mentioned on the Wiki
05:43:33funmanI have datasheets or the controller and the screen, but didn't read them
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05:48:19XavierGrwtf is wrong with viewports parsing (or wps parsing in general) when I try to set a viewport on a specific y coordination I get an error!
05:48:53GundatoOh, lag. Sorry. I have been trying to grab atapwd, but it looks like the link is buggered. Does anyone have a Rapidshare for it? And, for the record, hello :p
05:48:58XavierGrit has a problem with some numbers and not others, I don't understand at why this should happen
05:52:05GundatoSorry if this was in the queue, just checking to see how bad I am lagging
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06:01:33XavierGrhmm my bad, when you set for a viewport a height limit you don't want to surpass it
06:01:53XavierGrI was trying to see what's wrong for over an hour, the error message didn't help either
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06:43:54imthedanwill all MAME roms work for rockbox or just pacman?
06:45:13Llorean Just Pacman.
06:45:20Lloreanthat's why it's just called a pacman emulator...
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06:55:33imthedanthis guy can play super mario on his sansa
06:55:39imthedandoes rockbox allow that?
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06:56:23Lloreanimthedan: Read the manual, please.
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06:56:53imthedanI've read through it, but the damn thing is like 400 pages long. =x
06:57:26LloreanSo make use of the index and for example just read the list of plugins or the plugin section if your questions are about plugins?
06:57:38LloreanI mean you don't need to read 400 pages if your question is just about pacbox or the gameboy emulator.
06:58:00imthedanI read through the gameboy emulator part.
06:58:08imthedanbut he has a colored version of Mario...
06:58:19LloreanWhich is available as a gameboy color game.
06:58:29imthedanWell, that makes sense.
06:58:32LloreanIf you notice it said "Super Mario Bros Deluxe", which isn't an NES game but the GBC port of Mario.
06:58:44imthedanAh, didn't know that. =x
07:00:18imthedaneh sorry, i know you guys hate people like me =x
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07:01:50Lloreanimthedan: It's just frustrating to have had people spend hours on writing and improving the manual to feel like people just ignore it and ask anyway.
07:02:53imthedanYeah, I understand. I honestly did read through it, but obviously I didn't retain the information like I would have liked to.
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07:06:09imthedanTo be honest, I bought the MP3 not knowing what Rockbox was. I got a $15 off coupon on for using ROCKBOX as the coupon code. It said "Comes rockbox ready" and did a quick google search to stumble upon you guys. I'm happy I did, though, because Rockbox is pretty good.
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07:20:40ameyerstupid question, Sansa is armv7 and didn't particularly get optimized by the recent monkey's audio optimization, right?
07:21:00Lloreanameyer: AFAIK that optimization is just relevant to the Gigabeat S at this time.
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07:21:45amiconnThere were a few optimisations.
07:22:29ameyerafaict, some stuff is now loaded to l1 cache on the Sansa due to the recent commits
07:22:32ameyerin theory
07:22:47amiconnOn Sansa the relevant data is already in IRAM
07:23:49amiconnThere is a *tiny* speedup on the PP502x targets (that includes Sansas) due to the rangecoder struct being put in IRAM
07:24:17ameyerprobably still not realtime at any level, though?
07:25:00ameyeralthough it doesn't matter much since even if it is realtime, it'd basically kill the battery
07:25:35LloreanIf you want lossless, FLAC is pretty good anyway.
07:25:40amiconnMore than just marginal speedups are achieved on PP5002 (due to code being moved to IRAM, but still slower than PP502x), Coldfire (which really profits from the rangecoder struct in IRAM), and Gigabeat S (due to the armv6 asm code)
07:26:02amiconnGigabeat F/X also sees a little speedup due to the caching improvement
07:26:20*ameyer personally uses ogg because 6 GB of flac just doesn't go particularly far
07:27:47amiconnSee my latest performance figure update. Compare and
07:29:23amiconnIt looks like the codec can be split for dual-core operation, then it will become actually usable on PP
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07:31:48hospadarHi, I was wondering if anyone can help me get some things working on my gigabeat f40
07:31:59hospadarfor some reason, I can't seem to change the wps at all
07:32:13hospadarI've put some new themes on, and they are working fine however
07:33:00*ameyer guesses that the wps files for whatever themes hospadar is using got broken by various WPS code changes
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07:45:25advcomp2019hospadar, there was WPS code change.. so you might have to fix them yourself or use a different theme
07:49:01vitjagevaerts: thanks for commiting changes to usb stack
07:49:36vitjagevaerts: I'm going to commit test version of tcc usb driver soon
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08:23:14Deanerhey y'all, I'm having some issues w/ the rbutility v1.0.7 on ubuntu −− I keep getting this error: "Your configuration is invalid. This is most likely due to a changed device path. The configuration dialog will now open to allow you to correct the problem."
08:23:57Deanerand then when I pick the mount point for the ipod (30g video) and press ok, I get the same error
08:24:25Deanerattempting to autodetect I see, "Could not detect a device. Select your device and Mountpoint manually."
08:24:39Deanerany suggestions or help would be much appreciated
08:27:13advcomp2019what player do you have?
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08:32:17advcomp2019oops.. i just saw it.. i am not sure since i do not know have a 30gb ipod video
08:36:38LloreanDeaner: Does your iPod currently boot into the apple firmware and function normally?
08:37:53DeanerLlorean: yeah, the iPod works normally and I can even use rhythmbox to listen to tracks from it
08:38:49LloreanDeaner: Have you tried running rbutil with gksudo or sudo?
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08:43:53ameyerDeaner: you sure your ipod is actually mounted?
08:44:24DeanerI believe it is mounted
08:44:37DeanerI can eject it
08:44:53DeanerLlorean: I tried w/ gksudo and the app wouldn't start
08:45:22LloreanAnd with just sudo?
08:45:32Deanergiving that a shot now
08:45:36Deanerit did start
08:45:56Deanerhrm, same erros
08:46:15LloreanDid you buy the iPod new or used?
08:46:30Deanerit's a friend's who doesn't use it
08:46:39Deanerit's in pretty good condition
08:46:46Deanerbut they were using it w/ itunes on a mac
08:46:53LloreanHas it been converted to FAT32?
08:47:00Deaneroh, that may be it
08:47:14LloreanThe manual should make it clear Mac iPods need to be converted...
08:47:16Deanercan I do that in linux, or do you know?
08:47:20LloreanIt even tells how.
08:47:29Deaneroh ok −− I'm surprised the app doesn't mention that
08:47:35DeanerI'll look through
08:47:39Deanerthanks for the tip!
08:47:41LloreanWe tell you to read the manual before asking questions in this channel
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08:48:00LloreanIn fact, i was working from the assumption you'd read it.
08:48:03Deanerah, sorry about that
08:48:31Deanerthe config tool seemed pretty slick −− I figured it would catch such a basic user error
08:48:38Deaneragain, sorry
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08:48:48LloreanIt sometimes can.
08:49:22*ameyer vaguely suggests that Deaner may want to file a bug report against rbutil
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08:54:02potatoHello, i tryed to add a modified SOURCES and CATEGORIES file to a patch, but was told they re not under version control. have i done something wrong?
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08:55:58Lloreanpotato: How are you trying to add it to the patch?
08:57:38potatosvn diff rockbox\apps\plugins\CATEGORIES > anitobomb.diff
08:59:58LloreanAnd these are files that you use svn to check out, and have just modified?
09:00:42potatoi die "svn co svn:// rockbox
09:01:13potatodid* like on the wiki, then edited the file in the rockbox directory it created
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09:02:16LloreanIf you just do "svn diff" without any further parameters from within the rockbox folder, does it show all the files you modified?
09:02:23LloreanOr, also "svn st"
09:02:42amiconnYou need / not \
09:04:01potatoim one directory above the rockbox folder svn created, i typed "svn diff", it said "svn: '.' is not a working copy"
09:04:20Dementio_"svn diff rockbox"?
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09:04:58Lloreanpotato: "from within the rockbox folder"
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09:05:58potatosorry, from within the rockbox folder, it outputed the contents of some files to the console
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09:09:04pixelmait lists the changes, now you could see if your changes to SOURCES etc. are "picked up"
09:10:19lee321987hey guys I lost internet for a few weeks. Just wondering if there were any breakthroughs on Mass Storage for the Sansa c200 series.
09:11:09Lloreanlee321987: The patch is on the tracker where it has always been.
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09:12:15potatosvn diff shows that rockbox/apps/plugins/sources has been edited
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09:15:18Lloreanpotato: So have you tried it again with the /s in the proper direction?
09:17:08potatoyes, it still says "svn: 'rockbox\apps\plugins\sources' is not under version control"
09:17:40Llorean \ is not the proper direction.
09:17:56Lloreanand it's SOURCES not sources.
09:18:03potatoi type the comamnd in ussing forward slashes, but the output from svn uses a back slash
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09:19:08potatoi just tryed SOURCES, and go the ame result. the funny thing is, the sources file on my computer is lowercase.... should i delete it and run update?
09:20:22Unhelpfulsomething is messing with cases, perhaps.
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09:23:19*ameyer guesses potato is either running Windows or working with source code on a FAT*/NTFS partition under Linux
09:24:03ameyereither one could potentially cause weird case issues
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09:24:19potatoI deleted the files and ran svn update, then the patch worked. Sorry for the trouble, and thanks for your time. And yes i am using windows =[
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09:26:54ameyerpotato: yeah, I figured as much after I said that. The case issues potentially caused by FAT/NTFS on Linux wouldn't have SOURCES == sources
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09:40:24Dementiowhat's the syntax for database.ignore?
09:40:37LloreanJust have the file in folders you want ignored.
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09:42:06potatoto check for cpu boost avaliablity, do i "#if HAVE_SCHEDULER_BOOSTCTRL == 1" or do i "#ifdef HAVE_SCHEDULER_BOOSTCTRL"
09:44:30LloreanThe FLOSS weekly recording is up now.
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09:51:40Deanerack, this is getting frustrating −− I've wiped the ipod, reformatted as FAT32 (using gparted) and now when I run the graphic utility (using sudo) it starts the firmware installer, but always says "no ipod found"
09:52:06LloreanDeaner: I don't think there are any instructions for doing it with gparted.
09:52:12LloreanWhy didn't you just follow the existing instructions?
09:52:16Dementioyou need to repair the ipod first
09:52:27DeanerThe easiest method is to use 'Disk Utility'
09:52:31Deaner"The easiest method is to use 'Disk Utility'"
09:52:37Deaneris what I read in the instructions
09:52:56LloreanDeaner: Disk Utility != gparted
09:53:00Deanerand I couldn't find anything called "disk utility" so I figured they meant gparted
09:53:09LloreanDisk Utility is for users doing it on a mac.
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09:54:39Deanerthen I was following the instructions −− they don't specify that DU is a mac app
09:56:08LloreanDeaner: It mentions the expectation that you're using OS-X in the sentence before the one that mentions Disk Utility.
09:56:35LloreanAnd, just guessing what it means is never a good plan when you're doing low level stuff. If the documentation is unclear that's exactly when we do expect you to ask questions. :)
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09:57:02LloreanDeaner: For Linux, the instructions at are more useful
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10:24:49vitjasomething wrong with commit rev 18584
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10:28:43vitjait seems it breakes stack or memory
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10:31:28*Llorean is listening to himself on it right now.
10:31:48LloreanNow I get to second guess everything I said. :)
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10:31:57RandalSchwartzit'll drive you nuts
10:32:02RandalSchwartzjust accept that you did great.
10:32:08LloreanNah, I'm really quite happy with how it went.
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10:32:11RandalSchwartzand that hindsight is 20-20
10:32:17Dementiokinda off topic, but anyone know how to rename the ipod label in linux?
10:32:17RandalSchwartzit was a very fun show
10:33:20LloreanIt was definitely.
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10:49:38markunRandalSchwartz: I really liked the interview!
10:49:57RandalSchwartzthank Paul mostly though. :)
10:50:52markunI already did :)
10:51:17markunand I was really confused when in intro started.. at the end :)
10:52:21RandalSchwartzyou mean, when we taped it?
10:52:27RandalSchwartzwe always do that out of sequence
10:52:33markunyes, Paul told me
10:52:57RandalSchwartzbecause we can then introduce precisely what the show is about
10:53:02RandalSchwartzinstead of having to guess. :)
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10:54:54*Llorean adds it to the ArticlesAboutRockbox page.
10:56:14RandalSchwartzthanks! the more promotion the beter
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11:23:42bluebrotheranyone against me rejecting FS #9449? It's just a limit increase, not a fix at all
11:24:55LloreanYeah, it certainly doesn't solve anything.
11:25:20LloreanMaybe comment that we wouldn't mind a fix for the crash issue.
11:25:28LloreanI do wonder why that limit is different from the "max files in folder" limit though.
11:26:26bluebrotherjust did that ...
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11:29:13fluxI wonder if anyone does offline reading of news these days anymore.. just thought that an offline reader for rockbox could be a fun app ;)
11:29:32Lloreanflux: Rockbox has a decent text viewer. What were you thinking of?
11:29:56fluxllorean, I suppose that would work in its primitive form, but one that would mark which articles are read, do threading, etc
11:30:00*bluebrother would like to see some basic font formatting −− underline and bold, and then a basic html viewer
11:30:36fluxI don't even remember the names of the readers people used on the golden days of BBS
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11:32:29fluxperhaps such a tool would be wasted on this day, given people can read stuff from their cell phones - I know I do
11:33:14LloreanWhat might be more interesting is some sort of threaded Podcast browser plugin.
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11:33:35linuxstbbluebrother: Why shouldn't that MAX_PLAYLISTS limit get increased if people (well, one person...) is hitting it? I agree Rockbox shouldn't crash, but that's a separate issue IMO.
11:33:47LloreanBut that would more or less depend on either some sort PC-side support.
11:34:22bluebrotherlinuxstb: shouldn't that limit follow the max files in browser limit?
11:34:35Lloreanlinuxstb: 400 is already an awful lot. If we think it needs to be larger it should probably be configurable (though as I noted before, shouldn't it be the same as the max files limit?)
11:34:56linuxstbLooking at the code, that limit just defines an array of pointers on the stack, so has no RAM impact (assuming the array fits...)
11:35:02bluebrotherwhile the current number can be discussed I don't think we need yet another patch that only changes a #define
11:35:19linuxstbBut I don't know the rest of the code, to say what other limits in Rockbox are appropriate.
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11:37:08bluebrotherbtw, another thing that puzzled me was moving mkamsboot into the rbutil folder −− as we now have the wpseditor it doesn't make much sense to have rbutil and utils in svn, so my idea was to move all rbutil stuff to the utils folder
11:37:27bluebrotheror are there good arguments for having two distinct folders?
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11:38:32linuxstbI just moved it to the same place as sansapatcher/ipodpatcher. If they get moved, then mkamsboot can go with it,. But the utils/AMS/hacking/ directory wasn't the right place now that's maturing.
11:39:05bluebrotheranother option would be to move everything to the rbutil folder and consider the name as "rockbox utilities" ;-)
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11:41:24linuxstbI think so far, utils has been used for things useful for developers, not end-users. Maybe there's value in keeping that distinction.
11:41:59linuxstbtools/ is for things needed as part of the build system.
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11:43:11linuxstbSo yes, maybe wpseditor could be moved into rbutil, and we rename that to "rbutils"
11:44:53bluebrotherthat's another option. Sounds reasonable to me
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12:34:06linuxstbfunman: (for the logs) Just to let you know that I've been working on mkamsboot, incorporating the changes in your patch here - I am planning on building various "dualboot-targetname.bin" files (one per target), and then running them through bin2c and linking with mkamsboot. mkamsboot will then detect the target from the OF image, and insert the correct one.
12:34:46linuxstbfunman: So if you continue work today, ignore mkamsboot and the dual boot code until I commit my changes (probably this evening - I am about to go out).
12:35:55preglowLlorean: nice interview :)
12:37:51Lloreanpreglow: I don't think I did too badly. ;)
12:39:41preglowhell no
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14:14:53smacnayNever heard of rockbox until yesterday. I think it might affect which mp3 player I will buy. I was basing my buy decision on audio formats supported but it seems that if I use rockbox, that won't be necessary. Any recommendations on a good player? Someone mentioned the sansa e2xx series.
14:15:36blkhawkthe e2xx are decent and cheap
14:15:45Lloreansmacnay: There's a BuyersGuide page in the wiki that has a lot of useful information
14:15:51blkhawkthe current gen (v2) players are not supported yet
14:16:06blkhawkIt looks like they will be fairlysoon tho :)
14:16:06smacnayah, I didn't see that - I will look that up.
14:17:48blkhawkthe problem is that no currently supported players are still in production
14:18:08blkhawkso you might have to get a V2 e2xx and hope for the best
14:19:07blkhawki bought mine for 55EUR
14:19:16blkhawkits the 8gb model
14:22:20smacnaythanks - I will keep an eye on rockbox and wait for a bit to make a decision. I was all ramped up about the Cowon 2D or D2 but a lot of reports described the navigation as being counterintuitive. bbl.
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15:02:22kushal_12_27_200I am not sure if it belongs in rockbox or here because my question is rather unconventional. Can I play songs with ratings of and above a certain score in rockbox? How? I have sansa c250 with latest build of rockbox. Please advise.
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15:08:56mooskushal_12_27_200: check the database page ( I don't know if the feature is fully supported...
15:10:34kushal_12_27_200thanks for your answer, moos. Do you think it would be a good idea, though?
15:11:05moosyou wants to sorts your songs by rating? IIUC
15:12:13pixelma2I think you can already do this with the database and custom search (custom tagnavi file). Maybe you can find ideas howto in either the wiki or the forums
15:14:25moospixelma2: hi, I was suspiscious because the table of supported tags indicated that those aren't sorted correctly when used in filter...
15:17:36pixelma2I didn't mean the filter but a search, although I admit that it's quite a while ago that I looked into that and don't use ratings at all and database seldom
15:17:41Lloreanmoos: That just means when they're listed, the order may not be correct, it'll have the right songs in it.
15:18:35moospixelma2: same here, plus we don't use it
15:19:02moosLlorean: ok, never used this feature myself
15:19:46pixelma2maybe kushal_12_27_200 can find more info in the forums and people who know more about it (thinking of bascule, our database fan ;) )
15:20:07LloreanIt sounds like all numeric sorting is 1, 10, 11, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9
15:20:12LloreanAnd that's considered "incorrectly"
15:20:30LloreanProbably because they're treated as strings rather than integers.
15:20:43*moos remenber last time he really heavily tested the database, was or HCl (R.I.P)
15:20:48moosfor even
15:20:49kushal_12_27_200I was thinking being able to play songs that are rated 8 and up ...
15:21:30Lloreankushal_12_27_200: The database page suggests you can do this.
15:24:04J-23Does UI simulator execute plugins?
15:25:36LloreanJ-23: Yes, if they're compiled with it.
15:32:57kushal_12_27_200the table says "Works, but not sorted correctly when used in filter"
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16:18:02kugelbertrik: Do you have any idea why calendar is only for recorder?
16:18:18kugelThere's a keymap patch that enables it for e200 and it runs just fine
16:18:28JdGordonits an ooolllddd plugin that was probably never updated when new targets came on?
16:19:55bertrikkugel, not sure, I think the was made for a specific size display
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16:21:49kugelJdGordon: If you have some time we could talk about some of my patches, since I'd like to get them committed (some time)
16:22:17JdGordonyeah, during the week maybe.. too tired now
16:22:31JdGordonbut yes, i want to get ptich screen and pf in
16:24:04kugelbtw, I've undone the changes to PREFERRED_IMG_WIDTH and _HEIGHT and the album art searching function. It should behave like svn now
16:24:35JdGordonfeel like working on bmp resizing so it can be included in the core?
16:24:46*JdGordon is getting sick of having different cover.bmp's for his albums
16:25:26kugelwell, sure, but I yet wait for a brilliant idea of implementation. Also markun wanted to look at it
16:26:02kugelalso, my studies (on computer engineering) have started, I'll have most likely much less time for rockbox for the next 3.5 years
16:26:35JdGordonnonsensce.... uni isnt for working...
16:27:40kugelwell, it's not an uni. More of a accademic school. Way less flexible than studying on an uni
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16:30:25gevaertsRandalSchwartz: I've been wondering why doesn't link to the ogg versions anymore since number 29
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16:31:17funmankugel: saratoga detailed an implementation after 'the' discussion about bmp resizing (before closing the bug)
16:32:07kugelyea, I've read it, but I didn't really think about all that yet
16:32:53funmanif dionoea is online you can ask him, he implemented a lot of video (well, picture) filters and resizers in VLC
16:36:33kugelI doubt you can compare with a desktop app
16:36:55funmanThe resizing algorithms are the same, there isn't a huge number of them in the wild
16:36:58kugelon a desktop it doesn't really matter if the picture is resized on load or not
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16:37:23kugelbut asking doesn't hurt I guess
16:38:01smacnaycan rockbox be installed to dual boot on all players? Or is it all-or-nothing on some?
16:39:08gevaertsIt's all-or-nothing on one or two
16:39:11funmanthe latter, you can check the features table
16:39:27gevaertsYou can always uninstall it though
16:39:36soapThe nice thing about the devices which are not dual boot (Gigabeat F/X being one) is they are also the devices which Rockbox most completely removes all need AND desire to use the original firmware.
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16:40:38smacnaygevaerts, but, if I uninstall, is the manufacturer's system still installable/usable?
16:40:51funmanof course
16:40:54gevaertsYes, otherwise there would be no point...
16:41:00soapwell, I guess there is DRM'd WMA playback - but that's about the only original firmware feature Rockbox doesn't meet or exceed. Esp. now that saratoga implemented WMA playback.
16:41:43*gevaerts thinks that supporting "uninstalling" that just bricks a player would be dishonnest at best
16:42:01soaphey - if rockbox isn't on there...rockbox isn't on there. ;)
16:42:12smacnayI am going buy my first player some time soon (my birthday is coming up) and I would like lots of audio formats (rockbox provides) and intuitive/easy to use and I guess decent sound.
16:43:34soapOutside of defective software in an original firmware, Rockbox should not in and of itself provide better or worse sound.
16:44:05smacnayAnyone using a Gigabeat? That is a name that is brand new to me.
16:44:30smacnaysoap, I wasn't worried about rockbox for sound.
16:44:42soapYou likely have more "tweaking" options for the audio with Rockbox, but (though I love their enthusiasm) some of the claims of "wider soundstage", "brighter highs", "improved definition" and the like I see on some forums are utter bunk.
16:44:58kugelit's one of the best supported targets (as long as we're talking about the f/x variants)
16:45:06soapsmacnay, I have a Gigabeat F and did have a Gigabeat S.
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16:45:34smacnaysoap, you are happy with it/them?
16:45:43soapRockbox works great on it, but I am not a fan of the buttons on the F. This is my opinion and I know many disagree.
16:45:51smacnayThey come in up to 4 Gig, correct?
16:45:59soap60GB max for the F
16:46:00goffa_my f is 100gb :)
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16:46:08smacnaysoap, good to hear that - I will keep that in mind.
16:46:10soap(well, 60GB max stock)
16:46:11goffa_i have a 60 too
16:46:19goffa_i had to mod mine
16:47:07smacnayI am not a Windows user so I need something that plays nice with linux as well.
16:47:20goffa_i'm on linux
16:47:25soapI also do not like the way the F is assembled, I don't like the construction of the case. It is not nearly as well thought out as the H300 series (another screw-together player) much less as well "fit" as the ipods.
16:47:26kugelso, I recently discovered eclipse as my potential new favorite IDE
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16:48:01soapAll that being said, the Gigabeat F should be easy to find for sub $100, which makes it a hell of a bargain.
16:48:24smacnayyes, I guess there is always the price balancing in the equation
16:48:35soapand my quibbles over its construction and buttons are far from shared by the majority of owners.
16:49:32smacnayI *was* interested in the Cowon 2d (whichever) but read that it had a counterintuitive button scheme (three presses to play a track).
16:50:13smacnayI guess I want the player to plug into my comp and have a linux app like rhythmbox see and copy to/from the player.
16:50:15soapIf (when?) Rockbox for the D2 is complete that will not be an issue.
16:50:51smacnaysoap, yes, the menuing and buttons will all be programmed differently.
16:51:10funmanfdinel: so how is going the work on LCD driver ?
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16:57:24funmanbertrik: check , you should begin by the 2 'clips' at the top or bottom of the case
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17:07:14webguest95can somone help me please
17:07:25saratogadepends on your question
17:07:33webguest95Well, i have a c240
17:07:37kugelwe can't help if you don't tell your problem
17:07:41webguest95and i have rockbox
17:07:55webguest95and when i plug in my usb to charge it, it reformats to original firmware
17:08:07saratogathats normal
17:08:10bertrikit's supposed to do that
17:08:23webguest95then how to i change it so it doesnt go back to origianl..
17:08:33kugelit doesn't "reformat". It loads the OF which is required for both charging and file transfers at this point
17:08:49saratogaabout the album art patch, maybe someone familar with the buffering system (Nico_P?) could explain where and how album art sizing should fit into buffering
17:08:56kugelI could tell you, but you certainly don't want to do that
17:08:57webguest95well, in my original firmware i could see all my music
17:09:02webguest95but in rockbox, icant find my songs
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17:09:18kugelsaratoga: I'm a bit familiar with it
17:09:20webguest95so when it goes back to original, i have to reinstall rockbox?
17:09:46saratogai guess the idea is to have the buffering thread resize each image 2 lines at a time as they're fetched from the disk, and then place the resized image in the audio buffer?
17:09:57funmanwebguest95: did you try just powering it off and on again ?
17:10:26webguest95lemme try :D
17:11:03kugelsaratoga: album art buffering is done in buffering.c
17:11:15webguest95why cant i see any of my songs in rockbox?
17:11:22gevaertswebguest95: are they in "music"?
17:11:33webguest95my recordingsa re
17:11:39saratogawhere did you put them?
17:11:43gevaertsDid you use MTP or MSC?
17:12:06webguest95i sync'ed them w/ wmp
17:12:26gevaertsDoesn't WMP always use MTP?
17:12:34webguest95how can i change it?
17:12:38saratogai think it can sync MSC too
17:12:50kugelwebguest95: They're possibly in the music folder, which is hidden by the OF and not visible in rockbox with the default settings
17:12:50gevaertswebguest95: does the sansa get a drive letter?
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17:13:18webguest95how can i view themusic folder?
17:13:23saratogawebguest95: i have no idea where WMP puts files on your player, but if you fould out, you could browse there and play them in rockbox, alternatively, you can use the database feature in rockbox and it will find the songs for you
17:13:26webguest95yea it does
17:13:55webguest95i cant find my songs
17:13:59webguest95i can find my recordings
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17:15:08gevaertswebguest95: go to Settings->General Settings->File View->Show Files, and set that to All
17:15:20JdGordonsaratoga: from line buffering.c:844
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17:17:08saratogaJdGordon: thanks
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17:18:20JdGordonNic0_P: umm... I think there is a potenial deadlock in the buffering code... shouldnt mutex_unlock(&llist_mutex); happen straight after load_bitmap() (line 946) in case that fails? (where if it does it calls rm_handle() before unlocking again
17:23:14JdGordonactually.. sholdnt that lock happen in load_bitmap() instead of the calling func?
17:23:36JdGordonit wont really make a difference, but maybe cleaner?
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17:30:30smacnayis rockbox based on a linux kernel or something entirely from scratch?
17:30:42gevaertsIt's not based on anything
17:31:02kugelsmacnay: the latter
17:31:13mcuelenaereI've started some kind of plugin api reference at"> , anyone interested in helping me filling in the blanks?
17:31:14funmansome parts have been gathered on other projects but the major part has been developped from scratch
17:31:56gevaertsmcuelenaere: How functional is/was isp1583.c?
17:31:58kugelmcuelenaere: sure
17:32:06mcuelenaeregevaerts: not really
17:32:14mcuelenaereI only got some EP0 packets
17:32:16mcuelenaerebut that's it
17:32:20gevaertsmcuelenaere: ok. Then I didn't break it last night :)
17:33:06gevaertsmcuelenaere: the endpoint number passed through the varius usb_drv_*() functions now is the full endpoint number, including the direction bit
17:34:21mcuelenaereI'll keep that in mind when I'll adapt the Ingenic USB driver
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17:36:02Platynai am trying to install rockbox on ipod video.
17:36:21PlatynaI have two partitions on the ipod's disk, which one I am supposed to chose?
17:36:52gevaertsPlatyna: you mean two data partitions?
17:37:41PlatynaI don't know which one is for what.
17:37:48PlatynaI do record mp3s on the second one.
17:38:00PlatynaBut there is also sda1 one.
17:39:20gevaertssda1 is the firmware partition.
17:39:28gevaertsWhere do you have to choose?
17:39:41PlatynaWell my ipod is not autodetected.
17:39:55PlatynaI chosen the sda1, but it says my configuration is invalid.
17:40:50gevaertsAre you running with root rights?
17:41:10gevaertsTry that. Installation on an ipod usually needs them
17:41:41PlatynaI used kdesu and still no luck.
17:41:57kugelis find_albumart really exported to the plugin api? That doesn't really make sense to me. It's a special case of search_albumart_files, depending on wps data
17:42:22PlatynaCan I paste three lines/
17:42:46funmanyes it's short enough
17:43:38Platynaplatyna 12702 0.2 1.4 25848 14160 pts/2 S+ 17:41 0:00 kdesu ./rbutilqt
17:43:41Platynaplatyna 12704 0.0 0.3 17064 3384 ? S 17:41 0:00 /usr/bin/kdesud
17:43:44Platynaroot 12710 0.0 0.0 1916 652 pts/6 Ss+ 17:41 0:00 /usr/bin/kdesu_stub
17:43:47Platynaroot 12713 0.6 1.4 63680 14812 ? Ssl 17:41 0:00 ./rbutilqt
17:43:48Platynanow it has the root priviledge.
17:43:55PlatynaAnd still not detects the ipod.
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17:44:01gevaertsOK. Are you sure it's an ipod video though?
17:44:11PlatynaAnd I see the ipod has "do not disconnect" info.
17:44:17PlatynaiPod 60 GB.
17:44:20Platyna4 generation.
17:45:01PlatynaErm sorry 5 gen.
17:45:03PlatynaOne momento.
17:45:26PlatynaThis one,
17:45:50PlatynaOk. now it detects it.
17:45:53gevaertsThat's a video, yes.
17:45:56PlatynaIt detects it wrong.
17:46:00PlatynaThis is not 30 gb one.
17:46:03PlatynaIt is 60.
17:46:20funmanmaybe the disk was changed ?
17:46:25gevaertsThose are impossible to distinguish over USB
17:46:26PlatynaNope. :)
17:46:39PlatynaOk, so which partition I should choose?
17:46:40gevaertsThe build for the 30 runs on both
17:46:53Platynasda1 or sda2 please?
17:46:55gevaertsWhatever is detected...
17:47:04PlatynaNothing is detected.
17:47:16PlatynaI mean, the partition path box is empty.
17:47:42gevaertsDevice path or mountpoint?
17:48:10gevaertsIt needs the directory where /dev/sd*2 is currently mounted
17:48:23Platyna'select your device on the file system" one.
17:48:58PlatynaSo /mnt/ipod then.
17:50:06Platynaok, so I should chose "complete instalation" right?
17:50:36gevaertsThat should work, yes
17:50:58PlatynaI got some warning about latest built that will be installed not the lates version.
17:51:39gevaertsYes. if you want 3.0 you need to go through the separate steps in the Installation tab. Right now however the current build seems to work well
17:52:13*gevaerts thinks that this should be considered a bug
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17:57:12BitmouseWondering if mpeg-3 and mpeg-4 along with the various codecs (divx, xvid) etc. is a technical possiblity for future releases of MPEGPlayer
17:59:42gevaertsI don't see why not
18:01:36scorcheBitmouse: it just takes someone to code it, but keep in mind that some devices are not capable of playing that
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18:04:58Platynagevaerts: OK, and it is normal that these ipod files remains?
18:05:11gevaertsWhat ipod files?
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18:06:38BitmouseI was wondering if it would be too slow to be useful on most devices, it would be nice to have an app or a version of rockbox etc that was very adept at playing any video / music file well, some thing akin to put the file on the device, watch it play
18:06:44Bitmouseat reasonable fps
18:06:54Bitmouseno re-encoding necessary
18:07:32gevaertsYou'll want a dual-core 3GHz based player then
18:09:35pixelma2RandalSchwartz: taking the chance to tell that I really like the fact that you talk to guys from the project directly. There are quite a number of articles about Rockbox with a lot of wrong information because people didn't bother contacting us and did a bad job in research. So thanks, I really enjoyed the show. :)
18:10:13BitmouseI guess so, excluding Hi-Def blu-ray like files, would you need a dual-core etc, system to do what I'm talking about?
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18:11:58kugeldrawmodes should be in an enum imho
18:11:59*gevaerts agrees with pixelma2
18:12:06kugelgevaerts will agree :p
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18:13:46gevaertsBitmouse: some players like the gigabeat S may be capable of doing what you want, but I'm not sure. Audio is easy (unless you like -c5000 APE files), but decoding modern video streams requires a lot of CPU
18:14:04kugelgevaerts: Not? Look at lcd.h line 199
18:15:01gevaertskugel: that's not too bad. I personally would make that an enum, but at least there are #defines there :)
18:15:50kugelI have a free commit count++ for the first who yells "me"
18:16:12LambdaCalculus37ME! :)
18:16:25salty-horsehi. trying to play the following file in rockbox freezes the software for several seconds and refuses to play. can anyone confirm?
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18:16:46kugelLambdaCalculus37: Go to lcd.h line 199, and change the drawmodes #defines to an enum
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18:17:18salty-horsehey, that's not a commit count :)
18:17:28LambdaCalculus37kugel: Full path?
18:17:40kugeland the commit of course (better salty-horse?)
18:18:08salty-horseoh... you forgot the parens
18:18:50LambdaCalculus37kugel: I'll give it a shot. :)
18:19:14gevaertssalty-horse: which player are you using? Do I undrestand correctly that it goes wrong right at the start?
18:19:25kugelLambdaCalculus37: Mostly a style fix, but generally enums > #define. But I assume you know that, since I gave you the cool link some days ago :)
18:19:56LambdaCalculus37kugel: firmware/export/lcd.h ends at Line 31.
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18:20:24salty-horseI'm on a sansa e280. it goes wrong right at the start, yes. I have a problem with playback in the simulator, but I'm sort of seeing something sort of similar there too
18:20:27kugelare you sure about that?
18:20:54gevaertssalty-horse: which revision are you using?
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18:21:15*gevaerts goes to get his c250. That's the closest to the e280 he has
18:21:32kugelsalty-horse: I have an e200, maybe I can help you
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18:21:38salty-horsegevaerts, r18672 - compiled myself
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18:22:27salty-horsekugel, I think it's a meta data problem. could be? playing something before it in the playlist also causes the same momentary freeze
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18:23:57LambdaCalculus37kugel: Silly me... I was looking at firmware/export/led.h :P
18:24:15*LambdaCalculus37 thinks that he should go to the eye doctor
18:24:28kugelLambdaCalculus37: heh
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18:25:03kugelsalty-horse: Without testing, have you checked the tags? Rockbox can behave unexpected when the tags are in a wrong format (e.g. APE tags on mp3)
18:25:20kugelwhich would indeed be a metadata problem
18:25:26gevaertsIt doesn't play on c200
18:25:30salty-horseid3tool says "no tags"
18:25:42salty-horseit says "No ID3 Tag"
18:25:57gevaertsid3v2 shows normal looking tags
18:25:58LambdaCalculus37kugel: In Aquamacs, line 199 is this: "#define DRMODE_COMPLEMENT 0"
18:27:01salty-horsegevaerts, I'll have to install that. sec
18:28:26PlatynaOK. I have installed and started rockbox but I have no idea what to do next. I have just the settings menu...
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18:29:13kugelgevaerts: could that need other keywords except enum? not that it creates masses of reds
18:29:41PlatynaHow do I just play files?
18:29:51salty-horsegevaerts, any idea what's causing the problem?
18:30:11PlatynaNow I have entred the rockbox info and can't exit it.
18:30:16kugelLambdaCalculus37: it should look like this:
18:30:22PlatynaIt does not react on menu key.
18:30:26kugel (for the sake of clickability)
18:30:33*gevaerts points Platyna towards our wonderful manual
18:31:06kugelsalty-horse: again, make sure it's *only* id3 tags
18:31:11PlatynaI have it opened, and so what.
18:31:15gevaertssalty-horse: it plays on F60
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18:31:27PlatynaIt shows that menu button goes to menu and it doesn't.
18:31:31kugelnow that's weird
18:32:16salty-horsekugel, I don't have enough experience with audio files metadata. how can I make sure? "strings" doesn't show any other tags :)
18:32:30gevaertsIt does seem to need lots of time to parse though
18:32:34LambdaCalculus37kugel: I'll add in your code now.
18:32:36kugelsalty-horse: What OS are you running?
18:32:43salty-horselinux, ubuntu
18:32:53PlatynaDamn it. :(
18:33:00PlatynaIt doesn't work that rockbox thing.
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18:33:20salty-horsegevaerts, you can compare with the previous episode, which works fine:
18:33:25kugelhm, MP3tag (run under wine) can remove all tags (e.g. APEv2 ones), preserve id3v2 tags
18:33:36gevaertsPlatyna: you get out of rockbox-info by pressing left
18:34:02Platynarotfl. :> More logic is to get to menu when presing menu. :>
18:34:07kugelthat should clean them up
18:34:08gevaertsIs it?
18:34:28PlatynaOk, so how do I play the music files now?
18:34:34Bitmousethanks gevaerts
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18:34:37PlatynaBecause I an quite tired with settings.
18:34:40kugelbrowse for them and hit select
18:35:29gevaertssalty-horse: I don't know much about mp3 playback. Can you submit a bug report?
18:35:41salty-horsegevaerts, sure, once I debug this
18:35:45salty-horsekugel, I'll use
18:36:05kugelsalty-horse: that could work too, but I'n not sure
18:36:18kugelI've used it once and didn't like it
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18:36:35salty-horseI'll experiment :)
18:37:14LambdaCalculus37kugel: So what should I describe the commit as? (after I make sure it builds clean)
18:37:46PlatynaIt is evil, on the default firmware the menu button was canceling the operation.
18:37:47gevaertsLambdaCalculus37: don't forget to blame kugel in the message, in case somebody dislikes it
18:37:52PlatynaAnd now i have no idea how to use it.
18:37:58LambdaCalculus37gevaerts: :)
18:38:00kugelsomething with code police. I know that there's a static and const code police, I haven't heard of an enum police yet
18:38:15gevaertsPlatyna: I don't know if you're aware of it, but rockbox is not meant to be an ipod firmware clone
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18:38:31kugelor just forget it as fast as possible if I get blamed :P
18:38:55gevaertskugel: static and const have real effects on generated code :)
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18:39:08kugeloh yea, I know
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18:39:56Platynagevaerts: OK, but there should be one button to cancel an operation, for example to go back from players to file list. :S
18:40:48kugelPlatyna: to cancel, you generally hit the |<< button, and the down button to get to the main menu straight away
18:40:50scorchePlatyna: it sounds like a look at the manual would do you a bit of good...
18:40:54pixelma2there is. And we also have a fine manual...
18:41:10kugelPlatyna: you have an e200, or am I wrong?
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18:41:28Platynascorche: I have the manual opened, but well. I thought i will not have to learn by heart all of combinations of keys. :P
18:41:41Platynakugel: iPod video 60. :>
18:41:50scorchePlatyna: reading the manual does a bit better than having it open ;)
18:41:52kugelthen scratch that
18:41:57kugeland read the manual :)
18:42:00Platynascorche: I am reading it. Bah. :>
18:42:19PlatynaI just thought the usual operations will be more intuition based. ;p
18:42:40*gevaerts thinks that the people who spent hours or days on the manual do deserve a bit more respect than that
18:43:03*pixelma2 agrees with gevaerts :)
18:43:33scorchePlatyna: if using a button labelled "menu" to go back a level instead of going to some sort of menu is intuitive to you, then no, we dont have that sort of intuitiveness ;)
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18:44:38pixelma2Platyna: it is more intuitive for some people, it's also a case of what you are used to. I guess the first time you had to get used to the Apple firmware too when using the Ipod the first time
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18:44:56PlatynaI hope so I will get used to it.
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18:51:01kugelLambdaCalculus37: wait a minute
18:51:14funmanI review my test and figured the new checksum in ClipV2 firmware
18:51:19markungevaerts: did you take a look at my patch yesterday?
18:51:33funmanit's an addition checksum of the header block (simple)
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18:52:16gevaertsmarkun: I had an extremely quick look at it, yes.
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18:52:46markunI hoped it would have turned the screen white. What do you think we're doing wrong?
18:53:04kugelLambdaCalculus37: which target?
18:53:10kugelit builds fine for me
18:53:22markunDoes the SPI writing work at all? I remember we got an unexpected value when we read one of the registers.
18:53:39gevaertsI have no proof of it working, no
18:54:02LambdaCalculus37kugel: Building for Gigabeat F/X.
18:54:42kugelstill fine
18:54:43LambdaCalculus37kugel: Here's what I have:
18:55:10kugelLambdaCalculus37: apparently the patch was malformed
18:55:53kugelapparently sucks and removes @@ from the paste
18:56:33kugelLambdaCalculus37: now with
18:57:22kugelrevert and apply the patch
18:57:33*kugel 'll never use again
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19:01:24LambdaCalculus37kugel: Let me do it now.
19:02:04salty-horsekugel, I have a problem with wine ATM. the file doesn't have an ape tag −− anything else I should look for? other types of tag standards?
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19:03:16gevaertsmarkun: maybe you could double-check that I implemented spi_set_reg() correctly.
19:03:44LambdaCalculus37kugel: The patch was rejected.
19:04:08*LambdaCalculus37 has to go now, though
19:04:18kugelLambdaCalculus37: did you revert?
19:04:20LambdaCalculus37kugel: Let's do a little more later on, okay?
19:04:23LambdaCalculus37I did revert.
19:04:25funmana 'patchbin' website would be useful, on I have no problems with patches
19:04:55kugelLambdaCalculus37: How can it be rejected then? I did svn diff on lcd.h
19:04:59*gevaerts never had issues with patches, but he does use the "raw" link
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19:05:31funmanfragilematter: can you test a firmware patcher ?
19:05:57***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
19:06:06fragilematterfunman: test(s) away
19:06:13kugelLambdaCalculus37: looks like you didn't revert properly
19:06:29kugela svn diff on a fresh checkout can't be wrong
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19:07:25LambdaCalculus37kugel: Here's what I got from lcd.h.rej:
19:08:01LambdaCalculus37kugel: I've gotta run, though, but I'll check the logs later. Keep me up to date.
19:08:18LambdaCalculus37See ya later!
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19:08:52fragilematterfunman: mkamsboot made it into rbutil? yay!
19:09:05funmanfragilematter: yep ;)
19:09:15salty-horsekugel, got a moment to assist me? :)
19:09:23kugelsalty-horse: why not?
19:09:29funmanI sent you the code by mail (no patch since I had put mkamsboot in rbutil/ and didn't sync with today's commit)
19:10:19fragilematteroh, I didn't had the chance to test that, with the camera problems & stuff
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19:10:27fragilematterdo you want me to test it now?
19:10:31funmanhum the mail couldn't be delivered
19:11:25funman"The email account that you tried to reach doesn't exist", I used your jabber address
19:11:42fragilemattermaybe you misspelled something
19:11:46funmanfragilematter: no, no hurry
19:11:56funmanwell no I double checked
19:12:57funmanyes I did mispell, sorry, sending again
19:12:58salty-horsekugel, I looked for ape tags in the file (using the mutagen python lib) - it has none. easytag reports that apparently a picture is present in the metadata, but it's missing. the other file that *does* work also has that missing picture, so that's not the cause of the error
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19:14:23kugelsalty-horse: if possible, rewrite the tags, forcing 1 version (e.g. id3v2.3)
19:14:33kugelusing unicode
19:14:54markungevaerts: yes, maybe later
19:15:05gevaertsNo hurry :)
19:17:19fragilematterfunman: do I need to compile rbutil or I just have to compile mkamsboot and run it?
19:19:15fragilematterfunman: found that out myself
19:20:35funmanI had a quick look at rbutilqt but I'm not sure how it uses other tools - we can report that when we have a real rockbox running
19:21:53fragilematterwell, compiling that is not possible for me - I have no space left on / to squeeze the qt libs
19:22:58funmanjust run make in mkamsboot2/
19:23:37fragilematterso, I should make OF=e200pF.bin BL=rockbox.bin MODEL=any of those since I don't see any specific code in the makefile
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19:24:15fragilematteror no MODEL at all
19:24:20funmanthe code is in the dualboot
19:24:26funmangrep E200 *
19:25:38funmanwhat you give as MODEL is defined when building sansav2_dualboot.S with gcc
19:26:24fragilemattermade, going to flash it
19:29:06fragilematterfunman: on normal startup it does squat
19:29:16fragilematteron down+power it starts up normally
19:29:25fragilemattersquat = nothing...
19:29:47fragilematterjust... sits there, leds off & nothing moving
19:29:49funmandamn, that means my rockbox is broken, but the patcher is correct
19:29:53funmanThanks for testing
19:30:05salty-horsekugel, "id3v2 -C" that converts id3v1 tags to id3v2 seems to have fixed this. should I file a bug?
19:30:06fragilematteryou welcome :)
19:30:12funmanat least I can flash safely and debug that
19:31:51kugelsalty-horse: You could. Unexpected behavior is on faulty tags is known though. And ID3v2 is generally recommended anyway.
19:32:20funmanah of course I define the led pin as input and not output
19:33:22salty-horsekugel, still, it's better to work around "bad" files
19:36:27salty-horsebtw, the floss weekly interview mentioned tips on video conversion in the manual, but I can't find it
19:37:29linuxstbsalty-horse: Does the manual link to the PluginMpegplayer wiki page? There are definitely tips there.
19:39:10salty-horselinuxstb, oh it does link. I had to look in "plugins"
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20:13:56salty-horsekugel, are you knowledgeable in id3v2?
20:16:33kugelsalty-horse: I dont understand
20:17:18salty-horsedo you know the standard well? I'm trying to analyze the problem with the file, and I have a question
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20:18:34alleleonce the toolchain is compiled in one form of linux can't I just copy the directory and put it in another distro (assuming it has devel tools)
20:19:25Bagderallele: sure, assuming they're not too different
20:19:30scorche|shallele: why not just run on that other system?
20:19:42*RandalSchwartz listens to the floss program
20:19:47RandalSchwartzI sound like I'm in a cave again
20:19:57BagderRandalSchwartz: aren't you? B)
20:20:04RandalSchwartzcould be
20:20:14RandalSchwartzhey Bagder - you're the curl guy, right?
20:20:18*gevaerts listens to another floss program :)
20:20:23BagderRandalSchwartz: that's me, yes
20:20:35RandalSchwartzwe should get you on to talk about curl sometimes
20:21:02Bagdersure, put me somewhere in that looong list of yours!
20:21:10allelecause I wanted to make a distro of puppy, but for some reason it takes an incredible amount of time to compile on that system, but uses a lot less space
20:21:27RandalSchwartzthe list is long from suggestions
20:21:34RandalSchwartzbut short on actual people to contact. :)
20:21:59RandalSchwartzand I follow the path of least resistance
20:22:07scorche|shsalty-horse: what are you going on about?...if you have a question, just ask
20:22:10Bagderhaha, sounds like a wise approach
20:22:31wpyhall: if I want to change the behaviour of track playback, shuffle and repeat, where should I look? /firmware, or /apps?
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20:23:34linuxstbwpyh: Generally in apps
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20:23:44wpyhlinuxstb: ok, thanks
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20:25:49salty-horsescorche|sh, did you follow my problem above? I have a file that won't work, and it's because of the metadata. I'm not sure why, though. I'd like to gather more info before filing a bug. I edited the file with "id3v2 -C" which converts id3v1 tags to id3v2 tags. the file works now, but I'm having a hard time isolating the changes
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20:28:24*gevaerts thinks that floss sounds better in ogg than in mp3 :)
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20:29:27Bagdermaybe we should consider updating /topic
20:29:31*fragilematter subscribes to that line of thinking
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20:29:44salty-horsegevaerts, that's the irony of twit. the "this week in tech" show is available in various formats, but floss weekly only in mp3
20:29:45ArelisHow do i get RockBox onto my iRiver E100 mp3-playwer?
20:30:00bluebrotherArelis: you don't. Unless you port it ...
20:30:04BagderArelis: you get the porting work started!
20:30:20ArelisSorry, i'm not a developer.
20:30:31Bagderthere's no e100 port in progress yet
20:30:36Bitmous1Hey, is there anyway to get rockbox to read the music in an intelligible fashion off of my ipod music folders
20:31:28gevaertssalty-horse: it _is_ available in ogg. They just don't like to admit it ;)
20:31:32bluebrotheruse the database
20:31:33wpyhI'm trying to simplify the repeat and shuffle function. I will remove the "Repeat: Shuffle" option, and always reshuffle the tracks if shuffle==yes and repeat==all. Is this a good idea, devs?
20:31:37salty-horsescorche|sh, never mind. I'll just file a bug with a few points left to research.
20:31:55salty-horsegevaerts, where? :)
20:31:58Bitmous1bluebrother: were you talking to me?
20:32:09Bagderwpyh: I would agree to that
20:32:10gevaertssalty-horse: get the mp3 link, and replace mp3 by ogg
20:32:14wpyhHurray :D
20:33:33Bitmous1yeah, been a while since I used rock box, should probably use before I ask ; )
20:33:49salty-horsegevaerts, hehe... though I'd prefer a feed for that (without me manually writing wrappers)
20:34:05bertrikis there anything known yet about the memory layout of sansa v2s?
20:34:06gevaertssalty-horse: complain to RandalSchwartz then :)
20:34:16RandalSchwartzabout what?
20:34:36salty-horsethere being ogg versions of the podcast, but no official RSS feed for them
20:34:41RandalSchwartzOh. Yeah, oggs are available
20:34:59gevaertsIt's kept as a bit of a secret though
20:35:30RandalSchwartzI imagine you could hack something up with yahoo pipes
20:35:40bertrikI know there's a lot of work been done on the firmware file, but how does it map to memory? and what part does the USB disk expose?
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20:59:06RandalSchwartzheh - leo called me "merlyn" at the end. :)
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21:02:04allelenice puppy linux appears to be able to compile rockbox :D
21:02:07fragilematterRandalSchwartz: thanks for the feed, it saves me of hacking something to get the oggs
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21:04:54RandalSchwartzyeah - but it took me all of five minutes to mash up with yahoo pipes
21:05:06RandalSchwartzif you haven't seen yahoo pipes to create custom rss feeds yet, you should look into it.
21:05:37*fragilematter tries to stay away from yahoo - their IM service is enough of a headache
21:05:58linuxstbbertrik: I'm not sure what you're asking (about the V2s)... What do you mean by "memory"? RAM or the flash disk?
21:06:02RandalSchwartzwell - there are definitely cool and clumsy parts of yahoo
21:06:10RandalSchwartzpipes is very cool does some pipe-ish stuff with feeds... and probably more
21:06:41bertriklinuxstb, both, I assume there's a 32-bit address space and I wonder what is mapped where
21:06:59krazykitfragilematter, RandalSchwartz please try to stay on-topic
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21:07:44fragilematterkrazykit: sorry, we got carryed away. RandalSchwartz we should move this to #rockbox-community
21:07:48linuxstbbertrik: The AS3525 datasheet has a memory map - it's all pretty standard (either ROM or RAM can be configured to be at 0x0, and memory mapped registers at random other address)
21:08:49*gevaerts doesn't like the idea of registers being at random addresses
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21:19:23bertrikok I see. I'm also wondering where the data from the firmware image ends up, like where it is written on the external flash and at what address does it get executed
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21:22:52ArelisWhat other custom firmware is there for mp3 players than RockBox?
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21:27:00TetracommI have a Creative Zen and would GREATLY appreciate something like Rockbox or something else like it for my Zen, does Rockbox support it?
21:27:55krazykitTetracomm, the supported targets are on the front page
21:28:09krazykitthe New Ports forum does have a thread about a port effort on the Zen.
21:29:18TetracommI wonder when it will succeed.
21:30:23TetracommI really want to play OGG on it.
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21:35:35TetracommCould you link me to that?
21:37:46TetracommThank you. :)
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21:46:17TetracommIs there anything I can do to help them port it?
21:49:00krazykitsure, read the thead to see what still needs to be done
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21:51:43TetracommSee, Sigmatel says that the processor supports OGG Vorbis, but the firmware doesn't
21:52:12linuxstbbertrik: It seems that part of the NAND flash disk is reserved for the firmware, and this isn't made visible via USB. There is an AMS bootloader in the 128KB of internal ROM on AS3525, and this loads the main firmware block from the NAND disk to address 0x0 in RAM and executes it.
21:54:03bertriklinuxstb, very clear, thanks!
21:54:16gevaertsTetracomm: "supports xxx" in SoC-marketing-speak means "is powerful enough for xxx"
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21:54:39TetracommI know.
21:56:29druiduhello there!
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21:58:30druiduI'm trying to make tcctool work for my iRiver X20
21:58:35druiduanybody I can talk to about that?
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22:00:53TetracommSo they used the linux kernel that Sigmatel provided for the Creative Zen?
22:01:47linuxstbdruidu: Seen this wiki page?
22:02:05druidusee private
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22:02:20linuxstbdruidu: Best to keep this in #rockbox - so others can help if they can.
22:02:25druiduok, sorry
22:02:41druiduI'm trying to make tcctool work for iRiver X20
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22:02:46druiduI did get it to upload the firmware to the device but it won't boot... I believe the sdcfg value I tried is wrong, how do I determine that?
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22:03:00linuxstbWhat value did you try - the same as the D2?
22:03:07druiduI tried the one from Samsung YP-P2
22:03:45druidusomeone said somewhere that he managed to use an YP-P2 firmware on an iRiver X20 if I remember corectly, so I figured it should work
22:04:33gevaertsTetracomm: who used linux, and how is that related to rockbox?
22:04:39linuxstbWhat firmware file did you upload? It needs to be a raw binary image - i.e. not encrypted or with any extra header.
22:05:26TetracommI was wondering if the Rockbox kernel being used for the Creative Zen was the one that Sigmatel provided?
22:05:44druiduI already flash it with another tool −− sendfirm.exe
22:05:48linuxstbdruidu: Yes, but what does that look like? iriver .hex files are normally encrypted....
22:05:48gevaertsTetracomm: rockbox is not based on linux
22:05:49druiduand it still boots, so it should be ok
22:06:11druiduVer:10RI in the header
22:06:24linuxstbIs sendfirm a utility that updates firmware in MTP mode?
22:06:26druiduit starts with the jump, then 0601FFFF
22:07:02druiduyep, from rockbox/utils/mtp/
22:07:16linuxstbdruidu: Do you have a link to that .hex file?
22:08:23druidusee link in priv)
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22:08:50druiduit's from X20_FRE_UM_OK.ZIP
22:09:38druiduanyway, I was wondering how I could determine de sdcfg value... is it in the firmware somewhere?
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22:11:34druiduanyway: once you boot in usb mode it doesn't matter the state of the "jumpers" −− usb/nand, nand etc, right?
22:14:10linuxstbI wouldn't think so - once it's entered usb boot mode, I would expect it to stay there.
22:15:07druiduI understand the sdcfg value should be sniffed from usb while using a recovery tool
22:16:22druiduI tried the firmware updater utility, using the recovery option −− which also formats the drive −− but I don't think it enters usb boot mode, so would the sdcfg be in the dump?
22:16:53TetracommWhat type of information do you need on the Creative Zen? I will look for it...
22:21:00linuxstbdruidu: If the recovery tool doesn't use usb mode, then I doubt the sdcfg value will be anywhere. It may be possible to find it in a disassembly of the firmware - it's written to address 0xf0000000
22:22:07druiduI dissassembled the firmware, it starts with the jump to 0x20000000
22:22:44druiduso, is there a section table or something, how do I know which address is 0xf0000000, I just look for a mov to that target ?
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22:37:51druiduonce I find the correct value and use tcctool to upload the firmware, it should boot instantly after I get "Patching application uploaded succesfully!" ?
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22:43:01linuxstbdruidu: Yes.
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22:46:35webguest29What has changed in 3.0?
22:46:43webguest29I don't See much.
22:47:04Bagdersince when?
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22:48:12linuxstbBagder: Can you create a "since 3.0" svn log?
22:48:13bertrikwebguest29, see to get an idea
22:48:28Bagderlinuxstb: ah, good idea!
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22:50:01BagderI'll get rid of the since 2.5 then I think
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22:58:02webguest29Some of my WPS files don't work. When i choose it the loading screen appears for about half a secon, and then when you play a song, it goes back to the original wps.
22:58:03Bagderjust wrong title on the page still
23:05:35linuxstbwebguest29: Yes, there were various changes to the WPS syntax over the last year, so many older themes are broken.
23:08:35amiconnlinuxstb: I now have somewhat detailed libdemac test results (entropy decoding / filters / predictor / decorrelation)
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23:09:39webguest29OK. I have only found 2 that worked!
23:09:58amiconnIn its current state, even a core split wouldn't help on PP5002, and just about on PP502x
23:10:15webguest29Do you know when someone will come up with jpg album art support?
23:10:31amiconnThe entropy decoder is the slowest part of it, even slower than the -c2000 filter
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23:13:30Bagderwebguest29: try the manual
23:13:46Bagdersorry, didn't see the jpg
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23:14:18BagderI'm not aware of anyone working on that
23:15:19linuxstbwebguest29: The Rockbox wiki has lots of working themes - see the WpsGallery page
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23:16:21*bertrik does some current measurements on his sansa clip
23:17:40linuxstbamiconn: Yes I think we found that last time we were testing.
23:17:45bertrikabout 29 mA when paused, 36 mA when playing, 40 mA when in the main menu
23:18:00bertrik(current measured through USB cable)
23:18:23linuxstbHow does that compare with the PP devices?
23:18:40amiconnlinuxstb: Here are the details: (openoffice required)
23:19:18amiconn(no entropy/predictor details for gigabeat F)
23:19:45bertrikabout the same I think
23:21:57bertrikmy sansa c240 gets 16 hours out of a 540 mAh battery, or about 34 mA. I'm not sure if we can compare battery current with USB cable current though
23:23:15amiconnCurrent gets lower with higher input voltage when switching regulators are involved
23:27:41linuxstbamiconn: One thing that could be done with the entropy decoder is to go back to the original APE source, and see if that decoder is any faster - the decoder I used in demac was taken from somewhere else. But I never spent enough time trying to understand the maths involved to try and optimise it.
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23:32:43amiconnlinuxstb: Is there a reason why you used a different one?
23:33:00*amiconn also wonders about the ffmpeg range decoder
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23:36:38allelewhere would I look to remove the need for the manual folder when compiling rockbox?
23:38:00Bagderwhy is that needed?
23:38:29allelefaster compile
23:39:31alleleseems to take time to go through all the manual files when I'm compiling
23:39:58alleleplus that much less diskspace
23:40:47Bagdera regular build does nothing with the manual dir or files
23:41:01Bagderso you can remove the dir if you want to
23:41:02alleleso I can go ahead and delet it?
23:41:07alleleo ok thanks :D
23:41:11Bagderbut it would speed up anything
23:41:49alleleah, well 7 less megs anyway I guess
23:42:13Bagderperhaps, but you'll get them back at next 'svn up' ...
23:42:59alleleno matter, I have a backup of the original source in case of catastrophic events
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23:43:49bluebrotherwhat's the point in gaining 7MB on a PC these days?
23:44:19Grundybearan extra mp3 or two
23:44:45bluebrotheron a _PC_?
23:44:59alleleI've always been compelled to take up the least amount of memory (began my computer life on a 500 mb harddrive)
23:45:10bluebrotheryou most likely will get issues even with compiling if that low on disc space
23:45:28Grundybearmy first computer had 50mb, i remember installing doom and it taking up half the hard drive space
23:45:35*bluebrother started with even less
23:46:41allelewell then you should share my compulsion
23:46:43Grundybearhey if I'm going to use recovery mode to overwrite/fix the sandisk firmware on my sansa, how do i know which .mi4 to use?
23:47:44bluebrotherallele: no, especially not when it comes to development.
23:48:22BagderGrundybear: you get one from a source you trust
23:48:40Grundybearyeah but there's like 5,000 different ones
23:49:27alleleok, what if I plan on compiling on a mobile device then?
23:49:33Grundybearalso, what does it men if version.txt is empty
23:50:14Bagderallele: silly question imho
23:50:17bluebrotheryou don't compile on a mobile device, you compile for a mobile device. And for the record, I'm working on a mobile device (i.e. laptop)
23:50:35Grundybearyou can compile on a laptop!
23:52:24allelewell I was looking into palm linux, and started thinking
23:52:32Grundybearseriously though, there's hundreds of different versions of the sandisk firmware, how do I know which one I need?
23:52:53BagderGrundybear: seriously, we can't tell you
23:53:04BagderI would pick one of them from my page
23:53:48Bagderit really doesn't matter much which one you pick
23:53:59Bagdertake one from the same region you already have
23:54:05Grundybearok that's what I needed to know
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