| 00:00:02 | linuxstb | rblib? |
| 00:00:16 | fophillips | rblib.py, linked to on the wiki page |
| 00:00:19 | fophillips | Perusing the source now |
| 00:00:21 | fophillips | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/TagcacheDBFormat/rblib.py.txt |
| 00:00:39 | denes | gevaerts: thanks for the commit |
| 00:01:09 | gevaerts | denes: the only way to work on it with more people :) |
| 00:01:11 | denes | gevaerts: but I think changing the lcd_sleep values in the lcd detection routine is maybe not a good idea, as they were taken straight from the OF |
| 00:01:29 | * | linuxstb grumbles about potentially useful code being lost in the wiki, rather than lost in flyspray |
| 00:02:01 | denes | gevaerts: so meizu knew what they were doing, than those numbers could have been in fact correct |
| 00:02:12 | denes | s/so/so if/ |
| 00:02:13 | gevaerts | denes: it took several seconds. That's clearly not right |
| 00:02:27 | denes | gevaerts: right, but at 200 MHz it is needed |
| 00:02:53 | gevaerts | Possibly, but at 200MHz they are wrong as well. We need to find out what units those are |
| 00:03:07 | denes | gevaerts: those are busy loop counters in the OF |
| 00:03:12 | funman | linuxstb: should I submit the clip lcd driver for committing ? mkamsboot isn't finished yet, and my linker script is hastily hacked. |
| 00:03:25 | denes | gevaerts: 166670 and 2000040 |
| 00:03:43 | denes | gevaerts: and the lcd_sleep(100) after that also |
| 00:03:51 | linuxstb | funman: Don't you need to submit the patch that adds the Clip to the build system first? Or is that done? |
| 00:04:09 | denes | gevaerts: now all other values are just guesses, that's true |
| 00:04:13 | funman | linuxstb: no that isn't done, because I fear most of it is incorrect |
| 00:04:30 | gevaerts | 2000040 takes a _long_ time with the default clock. |
| 00:04:39 | linuxstb | funman: Then just post the patch and pester people to take a look. |
| 00:05:02 | funman | should I use the flyspray entry with the patch for E200 (with as3525 linux code) or open a new one ? |
| 00:05:05 | denes | gevaerts: well we shouldn't be using default clock for very long |
| 00:05:25 | linuxstb | funman: I would say a new one. |
| 00:05:39 | denes | gevaerts: I will try it on my m3, but I am afraid the current delay will be too little at 200MHz |
| 00:06:04 | gevaerts | denes: let me know what you find. I'll fix it as soon as I know more (but not today, I'm tired) |
| 00:06:13 | denes | gevaerts: ok |
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| 00:11:08 | Waldo000000 | quick question, looking for a point in the right direction: pressing "Display+Power" does not start morse input mode on the m:robe. Should I look at apps/keymaps/keymap-mr100.c as a start? |
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| 00:12:53 | linuxstb | Waldo000000: Yes, and compare with somewhere that morse is known to work - e.g. the iriver h1x0 |
| 00:13:07 | n1s | Waldo000000: that and possibly apps/recorder/keyboard.c |
| 00:13:36 | Waldo000000 | linuxstb: n1s: thanks |
| 00:14:49 | linuxstb | Waldo000000: Seems that keyboard.c is the place that needs fixing. |
| 00:15:37 | Waldo000000 | linuxstb: what are your thoughts? |
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| 00:16:25 | linuxstb | KBD_MORSE_INPUT isn't being defined. You need to add an "#elif" into the series of #if/elif statements near the start of the file for your device, and add "#define KBD_MORSE_INPUT" |
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| 00:16:59 | Waldo000000 | btw, what is BUTTON_REL? |
| 00:17:10 | linuxstb | i.e. "#elif CONFIG_KEYPAD==MROBE100_PAD" |
| 00:17:47 | Waldo000000 | linuxstb: excellent, i'll give it a go |
| 00:17:56 | linuxstb | Buttons send two events - one when pressed, and one when released. BUTTON_REL is a bit which is set when the event is a release event. |
| 00:19:06 | Waldo000000 | linuxstb: ah, thanks |
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| 00:22:57 | Waldo000000 | while we're at it, what is KDB_MODES? "2 modes, picker and line edit" - i guess i may as well enable this for the mrobe as well as morse input |
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| 00:40:37 | Waldo000000 | cool, morse input now works on mrobe100 - i guess i'll submit a patch. who approves patches and commits them to svn? |
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| 00:41:10 | Bagder | Waldo000000: one of the committers ;-O |
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| 00:46:29 | Waldo000000 | Bagder: who are the committers? or is "not me" all i need to know? :P |
| 00:46:44 | Bagder | we're 60+ committers |
| 00:46:56 | funman | in configure, memory is the number of megabytes of RAM, but for the Clip that would be 0.3125 |
| 00:47:13 | Bagder | funman: right but it also doesn't need to be configurable |
| 00:47:21 | Bagder | set 1 and then ignore the value |
| 00:47:45 | funman | ok |
| 00:47:47 | Bagder | it's mostly used in .lds files I believe |
| 00:48:02 | funman | .. the next trouble file :) |
| 00:48:50 | markun | gevaerts, denes: great work guys! |
| 00:49:01 | gevaerts | markun: now it's your turn again! |
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| 00:53:25 | markun | gevaerts: yes, I'm starting to feel pretty bad :) |
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| 00:57:58 | funman | I can not select the Severity checkbox when creating a new patch in flyspray |
| 00:59:03 | Waldo000000 | if i want to patch a bug that's reported in flyspray, should i post a new patch and just mention the bug ID in the description? or something else |
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| 01:01:03 | Waldo000000 | in keyboard.c, what is "HZ"? |
| 01:01:05 | funman | linuxstb: FS #9467 FS #9467 !! |
| 01:01:08 | gevaerts | Waldo000000: add the patch to the bugreport |
| 01:03:17 | Waldo000000 | gevaerts: just in the comments? |
| 01:03:24 | gevaerts | yes |
| 01:03:37 | gevaerts | You can attach files there |
| 01:04:14 | Waldo000000 | gevaerts: ah, ok, thanks |
| 01:05:02 | Waldo000000 | oh, HZ is hertz i guess... |
| 01:05:06 | markun | gevaerts: does one of the M3 LCD inits look to you as one of the S6D series? |
| 01:05:34 | gevaerts | markun: I didn't look yet |
| 01:05:59 | markun | perhaps it would be possible to read out the ID, then we can start to look for the datasheet, just for completeness |
| 01:06:40 | markun | perhaps there is some convention to read out IDs for LCD driver cips |
| 01:06:42 | markun | chips |
| 01:06:48 | Waldo000000 | what is ACTION_KBD_SELECT_REM? sorry for these questions, let me know if there is documentation for this kind of stuff |
| 01:07:55 | gevaerts | We could try. I doubt if there is a general cross-manufacturer convention though |
| 01:07:57 | funman | Waldo000000: I don't know if there is any documentation, but you can use grep -r ACTION..|grep -v \\.svn to get definition/other usges |
| 01:08:43 | gevaerts | But on the other hand it doesn't seem unlikely that they are all s6d ones |
| 01:08:57 | Waldo000000 | funman: yep, tried that. thanks anyway, i'll keep trying to piece it together |
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| 01:15:27 | markun | gevaerts: well, at least for the M6 players some of the inits look very different compared to the other ones of which we know that they are s6d series |
| 01:15:41 | gevaerts | That's true |
| 01:16:35 | markun | for samsung screens it makes sense to have a samsung LCD driver, but weren't some supposedly from toshiba? |
| 01:17:48 | gevaerts | yes indeed |
| 01:18:03 | markun | http://www.meizume.com/technical/1317-m6-toshiba-vs-samsung-screen-display.html |
| 01:18:29 | markun | not sure how accurate that info is of course |
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| 01:20:21 | markun | gevaerts: btw, couldn't we fix the different colours by calibrating the gamma values for the RGB colours? |
| 01:20:44 | gevaerts | It's not gamma. They are really off |
| 01:23:16 | markun | the gamma settings control the curve of the voltage to each of the RGB colours relative to the value from the framebuffer, right? |
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| 01:26:36 | * | gevaerts has no idea |
| 01:27:02 | toffe82 | markun: by chance, the toshiba lcd is the same as the gigabeat S ? |
| 01:27:22 | markun | toffe82: I didn't compare them yet |
| 01:27:42 | toffe82 | is it the same size ? |
| 01:27:58 | markun | also 2.4" I think |
| 01:28:13 | toffe82 | could be :) |
| 01:28:49 | toffe82 | there is no picture of the inside on the wiki? the links are broken |
| 01:28:53 | gevaerts | They are the same size, yes |
| 01:29:34 | markun | toffe82: meizu has changed the screens a few times, so those might be from samsung |
| 01:30:53 | markun | toffe82: I don't see any init code. Is it done by the OF? |
| 01:31:48 | toffe82 | I don't know but if it is the same , it is the same init as the F |
| 01:31:58 | toffe82 | as the S lcd is on the X |
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| 01:35:31 | markun | toffe82: doesn't look similar to any of the screens |
| 01:35:44 | markun | toffe82: http://www.meizume.com/rockbox/5871-lcd-initialization-commands-official-firmware.html |
| 01:36:04 | toffe82 | it was just an |
| 01:36:08 | toffe82 | idea ;) |
| 01:36:18 | n8ofsp8ds | still no firmware for 6g |
| 01:37:23 | krazykit | n8ofsp8ds, read the front page for supported players |
| 01:37:46 | n8ofsp8ds | i know there isnt support for 6g |
| 01:38:24 | n8ofsp8ds | i was saying it in genaral |
| 01:38:56 | krazykit | i didn't realize we needed reminders of that fact. |
| 01:39:07 | n8ofsp8ds | wow sorry |
| 01:39:14 | n8ofsp8ds | wasnt reminding |
| 01:39:23 | n8ofsp8ds | first time in the channel |
| 01:40:02 | krazykit | i recommend reading the IrcGuidelines wiki page, then |
| 01:40:58 | n8ofsp8ds | am i breaking a rule |
| 01:41:02 | n8ofsp8ds | i read it |
| 01:43:00 | n8ofsp8ds | are you a op |
| 01:43:31 | Llorean | n8ofsp8ds: It doesn't matter who's telling you, op or not, those are the rules here. |
| 01:43:49 | n8ofsp8ds | i know it says i can ask questions |
| 01:44:01 | n8ofsp8ds | now its wrong to |
| 01:44:15 | Llorean | "still no firmware for 6g" is a statement, not a question |
| 01:44:28 | Llorean | And if it were a question, it's one already answered by searching as the guidelines require you to do. |
| 01:44:52 | n8ofsp8ds | ok ok i got you no reason to get hostile about it |
| 01:44:57 | n8ofsp8ds | sorry |
| 01:45:05 | n8ofsp8ds | i apolize |
| 01:45:42 | n8ofsp8ds | apologize] |
| 01:46:13 | Waldo000000 | n8ofsp8ds: hehe it's alright mate :) |
| 01:46:54 | n8ofsp8ds | i hope so lol :) |
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| 01:48:54 | n8ofsp8ds | so im assuming u have had this question a million times |
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| 01:50:17 | Waldo000000 | n8ofsp8ds: it's probably not worth coming in here unless you're a developer. if you want to help get anything done, you really do have to trudge through the documentation/instructions/rules on the website. probably easier just to check the website now and then. see ya |
| 01:50:27 | markun | Waldo000000: too late :( |
| 01:50:44 | Waldo000000 | markun: well there goes 5 seconds of my life i'll never get back |
| 01:51:08 | krazykit | that's not true. it's worth coming if you're a user who is having trouble with a problem not found in the wiki, mailing list, or forums. this is both a support channel and a development channel |
| 01:53:35 | Waldo000000 | krazykit: hmm yeah, fair enough |
| 01:54:00 | markun | is the wiki still being upgraded? |
| 01:54:19 | Waldo000000 | Just submitted a patch to bug report FS #9450. Please commit it someone, it's a simple 3 lines that enables morse input on mr100 - i've tested it and it works fine |
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| 02:07:25 | minerman | newbie help! |
| 02:08:00 | minerman | I can't get my nano to stay assigned to a drive letter long enough to run the rockbox auto install. :( |
| 02:09:26 | funman | why ? does it deconnect? |
| 02:16:29 | LambdaCalculus37 | What generation of nano is it? |
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| 02:19:05 | funman | can you wait on IRC long enough to get an answer ? :P |
| 02:19:33 | LambdaCalculus37 | funman: Perhaps. ;) |
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| 02:31:12 | funman | hum I can not use -mthumb out of the box, there is a lot of inlined ARM assembly |
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| 02:45:02 | xchrisx | hi, i saw that someone was working on a port for the sandisk c100 series. It looks like the discussion stopped near the end of July. Anyone know if this port has been abandoned? |
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| 02:48:28 | LambdaCalculus37 | xchrisx: There's only one guy who's really doing anything on it now, and the c100 port depends on some work from other in-progress ports. |
| 02:49:28 | xchrisx | thanks |
| 02:49:38 | funman | who is working on it ? |
| 02:49:58 | LambdaCalculus37 | funman: MarcGuay added the initial bits of the port into SVN. |
| 02:50:20 | xchrisx | yeah i saw he was in here but i think he's afk |
| 02:51:24 | LambdaCalculus37 | The c100 is TCC770-based; the m200 and Logik DAX are as well. So those ports all, in a way, benefit one another. |
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| 03:12:45 | Hesddsd | Uhm, Is their rockbox for 2nd generation ipod? |
| 03:12:52 | Hesddsd | I pod nano* |
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| 03:14:13 | soap | no |
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| 03:20:54 | Helpssss | Is there rockbox for 3rd gen ipod nano? |
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| 03:21:40 | advcomp2019 | Helpssss, nope |
| 03:22:11 | Helpssss | How come, And are there any other firmware sites that do have anything simular? |
| 03:23:42 | advcomp2019 | nope because the firmware is encrypted and no documents for the hardware in a way |
| 03:24:30 | Helpssss | So theirs nothing i can do with my ipod nano? |
| 03:25:15 | advcomp2019 | unless you know how to program and have time to help |
| 03:25:26 | Helpssss | Thanks |
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| 03:55:58 | hedsick | hello, anyone around that could give me a hand? |
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| 03:57:30 | advcomp2019 | hedsick, if you do not say what it is |
| 03:57:57 | gromit` | maybe he wants a hand like some want a liver... |
| 03:58:17 | hedsick | i keep trying to install rockbox on my 5th gen video... however upon reboot, the boot loader starts up and says Error! Can't load rockbox,ipod: File not found |
| 03:58:21 | gromit` | (sorry for this poor intervention) |
| 03:58:40 | hedsick | then I have to put it back into disk mode |
| 03:58:56 | hedsick | what did i do wrong, or what do i need to do to fix it? (first time with rockbox) |
| 03:59:16 | scorche | hedsick: how did you install? |
| 03:59:37 | hedsick | with the utility... everything else i try to download off of the site seems to be empty zips |
| 03:59:57 | scorche | are you on a mac? |
| 03:59:58 | hedsick | im on a mac. |
| 03:59:59 | hedsick | yeah |
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| 04:00:22 | scorche | they are not empty...they just have a folder called ".rockbox" in them...macs hide folders that begin with a . |
| 04:00:34 | hedsick | ah |
| 04:00:40 | hedsick | well how do i grab them? |
| 04:01:21 | hedsick | it was a pain in the ass to reformat this thing as windows lol |
| 04:03:11 | scorche | open up rbutil, go tot he installation tab, then click on "install rockbox" which has the image of a box on it |
| 04:06:30 | hedsick | after doing that |
| 04:06:33 | hedsick | i get the same error |
| 04:07:44 | hedsick | says file not found and tells me to reboot into disk mode |
| 04:08:33 | scorche | hrm...odd...extract the proper zip file downloaded from the download page to the root of your device |
| 04:09:47 | advcomp2019 | scorche, i think this is the same issue leo had |
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| 04:10:17 | hedsick | any idea of a solution? |
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| 04:13:47 | ameyer | hedsick: do you happen to have a Windows or Linux box? |
| 04:13:56 | hedsick | no... just this macbook pro... |
| 04:13:59 | * | ameyer says that assuming its an OSX thing |
| 04:14:01 | hedsick | i run ubuntu with emulation |
| 04:14:20 | hedsick | but im not sure how to get my ipod to mount in the emulation |
| 04:14:29 | ameyer | hmm |
| 04:15:09 | * | ameyer wonders if whatever rockbox uses to unzip on OSX ignores directories starting with "." |
| 04:17:04 | hedsick | hm |
| 04:18:40 | ameyer | rbutil downloads the ipod video 30gb build for all 5/5.5g ipods, right? |
| 04:18:41 | ze | ameyer: you sure its not just hiding them from you? |
| 04:18:52 | ameyer | ze: not an osx user |
| 04:19:18 | ze | or uh, from hedsick? |
| 04:19:27 | ameyer | it could theoretically explain the issue Leo Laporte and hedsick is having though |
| 04:19:35 | ameyer | are having? |
| 04:19:56 | hedsick | when i do it through rbutil, it says everything completes |
| 04:20:05 | hedsick | but then nothing is on my ipod except for the bootloader |
| 04:22:20 | ameyer | try downloading the zip from rockbox.org and manually unzipping it in your ipod's root directory |
| 04:23:23 | ameyer | if you haven't already |
| 04:23:58 | hedsick | yeah, nothing |
| 04:24:24 | hedsick | wait |
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| 04:27:53 | hedsick | it works. |
| 04:29:42 | hedsick | nice |
| 04:29:43 | hedsick | thanks |
| 04:30:19 | hedsick | how do i manually install other themes, etc. |
| 04:33:36 | ameyer | download the zip file and unzip it to the root directory of your player |
| 04:33:39 | ameyer | I think |
| 04:35:15 | hedsick | ok |
| 04:35:43 | hedsick | ill give it a shot |
| 04:36:27 | hedsick | thats for wps gallery? |
| 04:36:39 | ameyer | yes |
| 04:36:53 | ameyer | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery |
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| 04:40:36 | hedsick | unzipping to root didnt work |
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| 04:44:26 | hedsick | anyone else know? |
| 04:44:33 | hedsick | and how do i go back to the apple firmware? |
| 04:44:37 | hedsick | cant i switch back and forth? |
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| 04:47:14 | advcomp2019 | hedsick, is the theme.zip have a .rockbox in it? Are you selecting it in the menu? Have you read the manual? |
| 04:47:38 | hedsick | i cant tell if the zips have a .rockbox in them |
| 04:47:42 | hedsick | im on a mac |
| 04:49:40 | advcomp2019 | i am not sure since i do not have a mac |
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| 05:11:48 | homielowe_ | hedsick: this sometimes happens to me, go to /Volumes/ and there will be an "IPOD" "or insert name here" folder with the .rockbox installed there on your main harddrive. you have to re-point rbutil to your ipod manually. |
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| 05:13:09 | hedsick | i have rockbox installed perfectly fine |
| 05:13:16 | hedsick | however im having trouble grabbing themes |
| 05:13:35 | hedsick | or actually putting them on there |
| 05:14:42 | homielowe | I meant what leo on the podcast, or you had before (with rbutil) |
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| 07:51:52 | * | B4gder puts his toe into the growing top-posting debate of the month |
| 07:55:38 | scorche | not another one... |
| 07:55:56 | Llorean | B4gder: I shouldn't really have responded to the first round of responses. |
| 07:56:51 | Llorean | scorche: Nobody's really saying "Top posting is right." They're juts complaining at me for how I chose to bring it up, which I really should've just ignored. |
| 07:56:53 | B4gder | well, I believe they are unavoidable |
| 07:57:13 | scorche | Llorean: well, complaining at you is the local pastime, no? |
| 07:58:19 | Llorean | scorche: In their defense, I probably shouldn't have assumed they were using email clients intelligent enough to show them what email I was responding to, I guess. |
| 07:59:27 | scorche | "In addition, I use Apple's Mail.app which replies with quoted text and cursor placed at the top."...is it really so hard to delete a few lines and click below them? |
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| 08:00:07 | Llorean | scorche: Apparently, deleting lines is difficult. You'll notice most people who stop top posting swap to fullquotes where they reply at the bottom, instead of contextual quotes. |
| 08:00:25 | scorche | it takes 2 seconds...*maybe* 3 |
| 08:00:27 | * | scorche sighs |
| 08:00:36 | ameyer | or just accept that people are idiots... |
| 08:03:35 | Llorean | B4gder: Would the Cowon D2 count as a "New player" too, or has it's potential permanent (or semi-permanent) stalling point really disqualified it? |
| 08:04:15 | B4gder | new player in what context you mean? |
| 08:05:17 | Llorean | I guess, within the context of that thread. Players with upcoming Rockbox support that are still being sold new. |
| 08:05:28 | Llorean | I'm just really not sure I understand how stuck the D2 is or not. |
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| 11:04:44 | pondlife | Anyone able to test a fix for me? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8949 is the one... |
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| 11:34:56 | amiconn | pondlife: Wouldn't it be even better if the sort order and filter were part of the tree context? |
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| 11:40:25 | pondlife | amiconn: Yes, I guess so. |
| 11:42:42 | pondlife | Should I add both sort_dir and sort_file to the tree context? |
| 11:42:57 | pondlife | sort_file is always = global_settings.sort_file... |
| 11:43:25 | pondlife | So, in the interests of binsize, I think I'll leave it out |
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| 12:27:46 | pondlife | amiconn: Updated patch at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8949 - although I should really go through and separate out the whitespace mods... :/ |
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| 12:41:35 | amiconn | pondlife: There are other unrelated changes in that, like removed braces around single-statement blocks, removed programmer stupidity protection from conditionals etc |
| 12:42:23 | pondlife | I did tidy up the braces, but where's the stupidity protection? |
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| 12:42:50 | pondlife | Will make a new patch at some point with no formatting changes, but probably not got time today |
| 12:43:18 | pondlife | I'm more interested to see if that (a) fixes the problem and (b) doesn't give a bad red delta |
| 12:44:05 | amiconn | It's the (-1 == var) instead of (var == -1) |
| 12:44:27 | amiconn | The latter will go undetected if you write = instead of ==. The former won't |
| 12:44:30 | pondlife | Aha |
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| 12:44:52 | pondlife | I never understood the use of if (-1 == x)... |
| 12:44:56 | B4gder | yeah -1 == var really is a good way to write it |
| 12:45:12 | pondlife | It looked inconsistent (and horrible) to me, but know I know better |
| 12:45:19 | Dementio | quick question, it's "patch > blah.diff" right? |
| 12:45:29 | Dementio | oops, < |
| 12:45:43 | B4gder | Dementio: yes, but you often want -p as well |
| 12:45:47 | pondlife | or just patch -p0 blah.diff |
| 12:45:47 | amiconn | I don't think that kind of protection is necessary (it looks odd), but changing that in the same patch isn't nice imho |
| 12:46:01 | pondlife | Sorry |
| 12:46:09 | B4gder | it only looks odd when you're not used to it ;-) |
| 12:46:21 | pondlife | It looks very odd when you're not used to it ;) |
| 12:46:23 | Dementio | you run that from the svn directory? |
| 12:46:37 | Dementio | or the directory the file's in? |
| 12:46:45 | pondlife | The SVN root, normally |
| 12:46:49 | Dementio | k |
| 12:47:01 | pondlife | Depends on where the patch author made the diff from |
| 12:47:26 | pondlife | Is it sensible (or a bad idea) to edit a diff file manually, to remove the unrelated changes? |
| 12:47:29 | Dementio | looks like base |
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| 12:48:19 | markun | Who's the MR100 guy? |
| 12:49:10 | pixelma | low_light started and roolku went on, but domonoky and bluebrother have M:Robe100s too |
| 12:50:21 | markun | someone asked a few times if we want to take a look at FS #9450, but I prefer someone who owns one to commit |
| 12:50:40 | Llorean | markun: That the morse code one? |
| 12:50:43 | markun | yes |
| 12:50:57 | markun | well, looks innocent enough |
| 12:51:03 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 12:51:12 | markun | I'll just commit |
| 12:51:17 | Llorean | I was gonna say I can't imagine it doing any harm as long as the build compiles, and it actually works, as he says it does. |
| 12:51:37 | pixelma | I think so too, does someone see his full real name? |
| 12:51:40 | markun | The only thing is that I don't know his name |
| 12:51:45 | markun | :) |
| 12:51:45 | Llorean | pondlife: No harm in editing a patch file manually as long as you're careful and your editor doesn't screw with line endings or anything. |
| 12:52:00 | Dementio | vim ftw |
| 12:52:03 | * | Llorean really, REALLY wishes contributors on the tracker wouldn't put something else in the real name field. |
| 12:52:36 | markun | pixelma: I found his email address. I'll ask him. |
| 12:53:01 | markun | even found his name :) |
| 12:53:19 | markun | Should I first ask him if he's ok with me putting his name in? |
| 12:53:56 | B4gder | btw, is there actually anyone who have objected to be in the credits? |
| 12:54:05 | B4gder | I can't recall any |
| 12:54:09 | amiconn | pondlife: are those saved_* variables necessary? I thought the values in tc are usually identical with the ones in globals_settings, so that you can just set the ones in tc, and restore afterwards from global_settings. |
| 12:54:11 | Dementio | lol |
| 12:54:15 | pixelma | B4gder: Llorean ;) |
| 12:54:36 | pondlife | amiconn: It was already there, so I thought it safer |
| 12:54:54 | Llorean | pixelma: I don't think I can get away with trying to deny being a particularly active member these days. |
| 12:55:16 | pondlife | amiconn: I don't have a player with me at the moment, so better safe than sorry.. |
| 12:55:27 | * | pixelma wonders if it is a good idea to commit just the changes to CREDITS for the name of the pegbox colour graphics author to avoid conflicts later |
| 12:55:46 | pixelma | though I have some more pegbox graphics related changes in the pipe |
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| 12:56:37 | pixelma | Llorean: just remembered that you were a little bit annoyed when someone decided to put your name in there |
| 12:56:43 | amiconn | pondlife: Huh? How could they have been there before if your patch adds them? |
| 12:56:47 | markun | B4gder: you think I should just do it? |
| 12:57:07 | pondlife | The old code saved dirfilter |
| 12:57:18 | pondlife | I renamed the variable though |
| 12:57:33 | B4gder | markun: yes, that's not a question we use to ask and given the history of zero no answers I think that's pretty safe |
| 12:57:43 | Llorean | pixelma: At the time, I very much liked to think of myself as "just someone helping out" |
| 12:58:00 | amiconn | pondlife: It saved it because it messed with global_settings directly. Now global_settings *is* your backup. |
| 12:58:30 | amiconn | Also, the direction reversal would be more efficient using a table lookup instead of the switch() |
| 12:58:30 | pondlife | It saved the dirfilter, I now do the same for dir_sort. |
| 12:58:40 | pondlife | Feel free to write one |
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| 13:03:24 | amiconn | pondlife: Yeah, tc.dirfilter can differ from global_settings (subbrowsers sometimes set it), but tc.sort_dir normally doesn't |
| 13:03:32 | pondlife | OK |
| 13:03:47 | advcomp2019 | markun, i think it was Waldo000000 that wanted it |
| 13:03:57 | pondlife | I thought they might need to be handled similarly |
| 13:04:04 | pondlife | Much smaller patch coming up |
| 13:04:46 | markun | advcomp2019: yes, I know |
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| 13:05:28 | markun | advcomp2019: but as you might have expected, that was not his real name ;) |
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| 13:06:02 | advcomp2019 | yep.. i am not sure on that ;) |
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| 13:20:46 | Dementio | anyone remember the name of the patch that ignores "The" when sorting? |
| 13:21:39 | Llorean | Dementio: it was the ignore the patch, it was closed a long time ago. |
| 13:21:47 | Dementio | damn |
| 13:22:05 | Dementio | went throught the whole list for nothing |
| 13:22:06 | Dementio | lol |
| 13:22:18 | BigBambi | Llorean: Surely "ignore the, the" patch :) |
| 13:22:29 | Dementio | gawd |
| 13:23:01 | Llorean | BigBambi: Possibly "ignore" if it's truly ignoring it... |
| 13:23:11 | BigBambi | true :) |
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| 13:23:55 | markun | hi Waldo000000 |
| 13:23:59 | markun | I just committed your patch |
| 13:24:14 | Waldo000000 | markun: gday there. wooh first one :) cheers |
| 13:24:21 | markun | :) |
| 13:24:31 | markun | you're in the rockbox CREDIT file as well now |
| 13:24:44 | markun | planning to do any more work on rockbox? |
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| 13:27:49 | Waldo000000 | yeah, particularly FS #9441 - Erratic button lights on Olympus M:Robe 100 (MR100) |
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| 13:29:01 | Dementio | that reminds me |
| 13:29:18 | markun | Waldo000000: any idea where to look for the cause? |
| 13:29:18 | Dementio | is it possible to detect if it's a cf disk or mini disk? |
| 13:30:42 | Waldo000000 | markun: absolutely none, as yet. it looks like quite a nasty bug, particularly as the lights usually seem to work for a short amount of time after start up. any pointers? |
| 13:32:06 | markun | no, but I haven't looked at the code either |
| 13:32:45 | Waldo000000 | markun: okiedokie. by the way, do you have an mrobe by any chance? |
| 13:32:53 | markun | no |
| 13:32:55 | Waldo000000 | does anyone here have an mrobe? (mr100) |
| 13:33:11 | markun | 12:49 < pixelma> low_light started and roolku went on, but domonoky and bluebrother have M:Robe100s too |
| 13:33:28 | markun | but none of them is online now I think |
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| 13:43:03 | * | LambdaCalculus37 looks at FS #9467 |
| 13:44:23 | * | gevaerts has an mr100, but no time right now (at work), and the mr100 is at home |
| 13:46:09 | LambdaCalculus37 | funman's patch at FS #9467 doesn't look like svn diff to me; was this done using git? |
| 13:46:53 | Waldo000000 | gevaerts: no probs. just for your reference, when you get a chance, it'd be great if you could check if your button lights work properly. mine tend to behave erratically after a while during normal operation - FS #9441 |
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| 13:51:21 | gevaerts | Waldo000000: sure. I'll have a look tonight |
| 13:53:10 | Waldo000000 | gevaerts: cool, thanks |
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| 14:11:37 | pondlife | OK, new patch on FS #8949, and this one might even fix the problem |
| 14:12:53 | pondlife | I wonder if it's possible that the current code could result in the unexpected setting of global_settings.dirfilter ? |
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| 15:42:39 | aurel42 | Hi folsx |
| 15:42:43 | aurel42 | folks, too |
| 15:43:29 | aurel42 | I need someone to clear something up for me... rockbox 3.0 should support cover art w/o patches, is that correct? |
| 15:44:22 | markun | yes, it should |
| 15:45:08 | markun | I've never used it myself, but here you should find the info: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AlbumArt |
| 15:45:53 | aurel42 | I've used the Picard client (Musicbrainz) and the cover art plugin to add covers for most of my albums, as a cover.xxx file and within the ID3 tags, but on all themes I've tried I'm only seeing the "no cover" pic. I'll check the wiki, thanks. |
| 15:46:24 | aurel42 | Ah, there we go. |
| 15:47:08 | aurel42 | Pics in files are not supported, and the cover.xxx needs to be bmp. |
| 15:47:31 | aurel42 | No problem. ImageMagick's convert is my best pal. |
| 15:48:40 | markun | aurel42: maybe someone will improve album art to support jpeg files and embedded jpegs, but for now this is all |
| 15:48:48 | markun | which player are you using? (just curious) |
| 15:49:24 | aurel42 | markun: iPod Video 30gb |
| 15:49:38 | aurel42 | And I'm SO happy with Rockbox. |
| 15:50:05 | markun | and the ipod video is not even such a good rockbox target. Maybe if we some day find out how to program the broadcom chip.. |
| 15:50:35 | aurel42 | I even used ever since I got the iPod, even though it kinda raced through the battery power in earlier versions. |
| 15:50:49 | aurel42 | -even |
| 15:50:53 | markun | but that's mostly fixed now, right? |
| 15:51:18 | aurel42 | Yeah, I'm getting 10+ hrs now. |
| 15:51:36 | markun | Llorean: do we have a schedule for the next release? |
| 15:51:39 | aurel42 | With Apple's software, it's supposed to be 14hrs, iirc. |
| 15:51:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | markun: Yes, I'm now getting 16+ hours on mine (although I changed the stock battery). |
| 15:51:57 | markun | aurel42: at least we're getting closer |
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| 15:52:06 | Llorean | markun: Late December, Early January as an approximation right now. |
| 15:52:15 | aurel42 | LambdaCalculus37: what type are you using now, if I may ask? |
| 15:52:38 | markun | Llorean: nice! Do we have some features we would like to have done by then? |
| 15:52:46 | Llorean | The goal is a 3-month cycle, but we've never decided if it's "2.5 months + 2 weeks freeze" or "3 months + 2 weeks freeze" and if the cycle starts from when the freeze ends, or when the release is "released" |
| 15:53:00 | LambdaCalculus37 | 5.5G iPod video 30GB, with a new 580mAh battery (up from the stock 400mAh battery). |
| 15:53:22 | aurel42 | LambdaCalculus37: ty |
| 15:53:22 | Llorean | markun: Nothing specific at this time. *I* personally would really like to see USB go in so it can be tried by a wider user base (we can disable it again for some/all targets in the release if it works for too low a percentage) |
| 15:53:29 | Llorean | I'd also like to see Sansa Chargin, and iPod Serial |
| 15:53:32 | Llorean | Charging |
| 15:53:35 | * | LambdaCalculus37 points aurel42 to http://www.ifixit.com |
| 15:54:11 | Llorean | Beyond that, we don't usually plan, obviously. I'm kinda hoping this can be a "feature heavy" release, and then we can try to make 3.2 a feature light release in the hopes that it gains some added stability by trying not to put in too many big features during that period. |
| 15:55:59 | amiconn | Llorean: USB is known to be buggy on PP. This is not the stack's problem, as it works fine on the beast. Hence it shouldn't be enabled on PP unless the cause is found |
| 15:56:35 | Llorean | amiconn: It should be enabled in "current build" builds for the sake of, at the very least, hearing more about conditions in which it is problematic. |
| 15:56:50 | Llorean | It absolutely shouldn't be enabled for Sansas yet, since it can corrupt things, though. |
| 15:56:51 | amiconn | And before adding any charging that further messes up powermgmt, a rework of powermgmt is required, imo |
| 15:57:19 | amiconn | Llorean: This corruption is not USB related at all, but SD driver related |
| 15:57:30 | Llorean | amiconn: If the charging works, and the rework is in a limbo of "who knows when it'll be done", then the charging should go in so users can use their players like normal people without having to deal with special caveats. |
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| 15:57:39 | LambdaCalculus37 | amiconn: I've been enabling USB on my iPods for some time now, and I've never had any issues with file transfer or charging thus far. |
| 15:57:43 | Llorean | amiconn: I know it's not USB related, but the primary way to see it is via USB. |
| 15:58:00 | amiconn | Llorean: Putting the charging in and further messing up powermgmt by that would be a bad move |
| 15:59:00 | amiconn | Llorean: Ever tried copying something while music is playing (with a somewhat demanding codec), or while the cpu was boosted for some other reason? |
| 15:59:17 | Llorean | amiconn: Any particular reason, re the charging, other than "it means more work for the rework if it ever happens"? |
| 15:59:42 | Llorean | amiconn: As I said, the *primary* way. The majority of users will use USB a lot more than meeting the conditions you just described. |
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| 16:00:10 | amiconn | The reason is that it will make the *necessary* rework harder. If this rework isn't done, many other targets which now don't do proper powermgmt will probably never see proper powermgmt, imo |
| 16:00:45 | markun | amiconn: what kind of rework is needed? |
| 16:01:28 | Llorean | amiconn: Frankly, the patch is pretty darn short. If it adds more than five minutes to the rework that wouldn't already be necessary (in order to rewrite this patch to work with the reworked version) I'd be frankly very surprised. |
| 16:01:28 | Dementio | Llorean, kinda late response, but do you by chance use a CF drive on your ipod? |
| 16:01:54 | Dementio | (was watching heroes) |
| 16:01:57 | Llorean | Dementio: Don't think I ever said I had an iPod. |
| 16:02:03 | amiconn | A fundamental one: change the powermgmt thread loop so that it spends most time in the loop waiting for events instead of in special "sleep" functions |
| 16:02:04 | Dementio | oh |
| 16:02:06 | Llorean | As it stands, I do, but not one you can put a CF card in. |
| 16:02:23 | Dementio | oops, damn autocomplete |
| 16:02:27 | Dementio | meant LambdaCalculus37 |
| 16:03:44 | Dementio | i was wondering though, is it possible for rockbox to determine whether you're using a cd card or mini drive? |
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| 16:05:28 | LambdaCalculus37 | Dementio: No, I'm still using the hard drive. |
| 16:06:37 | Dementio | reason is, i know not all cf cards work with rockbox without making a minor code change, i was wondering if it's possible for the determination to be made and the change applied based on which is used |
| 16:06:46 | Dementio | um, did that make any sense? |
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| 16:08:37 | Dementio | cause i know i can't be the only one that uses a a-data cf card with rockbox |
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| 16:10:00 | Zagor | Dementio: I don't know for sure, but it would surprise me if we weren't able to determine that from the drive info struct |
| 16:10:08 | MarcGuay | Archos wizards: Any idea why there is a Archos FM Recorder 8MB build on the release page but not the current build page? |
| 16:10:51 | Dementio | it's only one line of code that allows the cards to work or not |
| 16:11:20 | Dementio | only problem i can think of is that i really think it'd have to be done at compile time |
| 16:11:43 | Zagor | Dementio: only if we cannot detect it runtime, which I think we can |
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| 16:12:27 | Zagor | Dementio: what line of code is needed? |
| 16:12:36 | Dementio | getting it |
| 16:12:46 | markun | amiconn: working towords more event driven code in general sounds like a good idea to me |
| 16:13:14 | Zagor | MarcGuay: I'm guessing the 8MB release was hand-built by someone? it's such a rare target that it doesn't make sense to always build it. |
| 16:14:08 | aurel42 | markun: you said someone might improve the album art code to include jpg... |
| 16:14:20 | markun | aurel42: yes |
| 16:14:39 | aurel42 | markun: but there's already that image plugin that can display the cover.jpg files... couldn't that code simply be reused? |
| 16:15:02 | Dementio | DEV_RS = 0x3ffffef8; in system-pp502x.c |
| 16:15:23 | Dementio | if that line's removed, the card works |
| 16:15:59 | Zagor | Dementio: and if it's there, harddisks don't work? |
| 16:16:24 | Dementio | if it's there, hard disk's work, but some cf cards don't |
| 16:16:53 | Zagor | sorry I meant the other way around. if you remove it, cf works but disks don't? |
| 16:17:03 | markun | aurel42: I think it would at least be a good starting point. We want to keep the rockbox core as small as possible so someone implementing it would have to take that into account. |
| 16:17:04 | Llorean | Zagor: If I recall, I'm not certain, the cost of having it is in battery life. |
| 16:17:12 | Llorean | It doesn't prevent anything from working it to do it the way that works for CF cards. |
| 16:17:13 | Zagor | Llorean: aha |
| 16:17:23 | Dementio | i haven't tried hard disks with that line removed, so i'm not sure |
| 16:17:34 | aurel42 | markun: I see. Luckily, the only language I can write code in is Commodore Basic v2 (38911 basic bytes free). |
| 16:17:44 | Llorean | Zagor: IIUC it was part of the general PP battery life improvement. But I could be misremembering. |
| 16:18:14 | markun | aurel42: now you just have to learn C and you'll be the pefect person for the job ;) |
| 16:18:17 | aurel42 | markun: well, and all the other languages that allow me to write Commodore Basic v2 style... like PHP. ;) |
| 16:18:29 | * | Dementio needs to learn C also |
| 16:18:59 | markun | if you know some programming I don't think learning C will be that difficult |
| 16:19:03 | aurel42 | markun: you got a point there, back then we kinda knew how much a single byte is worth. :D |
| 16:19:07 | Dementio | well..... |
| 16:19:10 | Llorean | Zagor: I think Petur was the one really looking into CF card compatibility recently. He might know more. |
| 16:19:14 | Dementio | i once knew BASIC |
| 16:19:15 | Dementio | lol |
| 16:19:30 | Dementio | Llorean, yes he was |
| 16:19:35 | n1s | MarcGuay: could you test the newest nano bootloader in FS #9369? |
| 16:19:35 | Dementio | he was the one helping me out |
| 16:20:03 | markun | strings are handled very differently in C and then there are pointer, but otherwise I don't think there is that much to get used to. |
| 16:20:06 | MarcGuay | n1s: No, sorry. Le girlfriend has it. |
| 16:20:50 | markun | Le? :) |
| 16:21:15 | MarcGuay | 'El girlfriend' for the spanish. |
| 16:21:24 | aurel42 | Weird. Since I upgraded my Ubuntu box, when I unmount the iPOD, it won't tell me that it's okay to remove it. Any ideas? |
| 16:21:35 | Zagor | do we have any docs on these registers (DEV_RS, DEV_EN etc) are these values all rev-engineered? |
| 16:21:42 | Zagor | or are |
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| 16:22:17 | Dementio | well, just a random idea, but what if configure had an option (like an additional question) concerning CF cards, since they don't need spindown, etc |
| 16:22:29 | aurel42 | (ah, when I "eject /dev/sdc2", I get the "OK to disconnect" message, I guess Ubuntu messed up "eject-on-unmount") |
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| 16:23:14 | Dementio | Zagor, if i had some docs, i'd be willing to test it out on my ipod |
| 16:23:14 | Zagor | Dementio: that's definitely possible, but automatic detection would be a lot nicer |
| 16:23:24 | Llorean | Zagor: Reverse engineered. I think a lot of them are even only known via testing (buschel disabled everything he could detect drew power, working out which were absolutely necessary for Rockbox to function) |
| 16:24:56 | aurel42 | Oh, dang, it's not enough to convert the cover.jpg to cover.bmp, I also need to scale them to the size my theme expects? |
| 16:25:01 | Dementio | for automatic detection, would it be some string in disk info possibly? |
| 16:25:09 | Dementio | aurel42, yes |
| 16:25:15 | Dementio | 100x100 |
| 16:25:23 | Zagor | Dementio: yes, or more likely a bit |
| 16:25:25 | Dementio | well, most of them |
| 16:25:27 | aurel42 | There's also this "fullscreen" theme using 200x200 |
| 16:25:28 | Llorean | Dementio: It's not always 100x100. |
| 16:25:46 | MarcGuay | aurel42: There are some handy tools on the AlbumArt page that can do this pretty quickly. |
| 16:25:49 | aurel42 | I'll go for 100x100, though, I like the cabbie v3 theme. |
| 16:26:01 | aurel42 | MarcGuay: "find" and "convert" are my friends. ;) |
| 16:26:01 | Llorean | Zagor: One problem, IIUC, is that a lot of CF cards don't necessarily conform to various specs, so they aren't consistently reliable for identification. |
| 16:26:21 | Dementio | that's what i'm looking at now |
| 16:26:37 | Dementio | "View disk info" to be precise |
| 16:26:57 | Zagor | Llorean: well many disks don't either. are you saying cf card makers are much worse than disk makers? |
| 16:27:27 | Llorean | Zagor: No, but we don't have something we need to differentiate disks from. |
| 16:29:45 | n1s | MarcGuay: ah, no worries |
| 16:30:06 | n1s | any other nano user around who wants to do a test? |
| 16:34:39 | aurel42 | I got a UI question, is there a way to replace a running playlist with a new one? I know I can add to the current playlist (insert/queue), but I kinda often feel the need to "forget" the current playlist and just start a new one without stopping the music. |
| 16:35:32 | aurel42 | I kinda think I had that before, perhaps it's just a matter of some option under Settings? |
| 16:36:16 | Zagor | bit 2 of word 83 looks like a candidate to check for: "CFA feature set supported" |
| 16:36:39 | Dementio | ? |
| 16:37:16 | Zagor | in the IDENTIFY DEVICE response from the drive |
| 16:37:35 | Dementio | ah |
| 16:38:09 | Zagor | also "Devices supporting the CFA feature set shall place the value 848Ah in word 0." |
| 16:39:17 | Dementio | i only ask cause i'm trying to learn. how'd you find that out? |
| 16:40:30 | Zagor | by reading the ATA specification. here's a link to a fairly late draft: http://t13.org/Documents/UploadedDocuments/project/d1410r3b-ATA-ATAPI-6.pdf |
| 16:40:51 | Dementio | k |
| 16:41:04 | pixelma | aurel42: just start the new playlist be chosing a new song/playlist to play - just a short button press, not using the context menu |
| 16:41:13 | amiconn | Dementio, Zagor: It is not possible to distinguish CF cards and microdrives in a generic way |
| 16:41:27 | Dementio | damn |
| 16:41:37 | amiconn | Microdrives also state that they support CFA |
| 16:41:48 | Zagor | amiconn: aha |
| 16:42:26 | amiconn | And the ata identify info of many devices (both harddisks and CF cards) is often incomplete or incorrect apart from the basic info that is necessary to make them work |
| 16:42:38 | Dementio | i noticed that |
| 16:42:57 | Zagor | yes that has always been so |
| 16:43:13 | amiconn | Btw, CF cards are supposed to work with a current rockbox without modification |
| 16:43:23 | Dementio | not all of them do |
| 16:43:25 | Zagor | "add the bare minimum so it can work in windows" is the standard way to design hardware |
| 16:43:28 | * | amiconn is running a CF-modded mini G2 without problems |
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| 16:43:47 | Dementio | a-data speedy 32gb's don't |
| 16:43:48 | aurel42 | pixelma: that only works for files, not for folders, though. Typical use case for me: I'm listening to a playlist containing all of the jazz/ folder (recursively, shuffled), then I want to listen to the rock/ folder instead. |
| 16:44:32 | Dementio | DEV_RS = 0x3ffffef8; in system-pp502x.c gives an ATA Error: -1 |
| 16:44:33 | Zagor | amiconn: do you have, or can fix, identfy blocks from a CF and a microdrive. I'm interested in looking at them, even if it perhaps can't result in useful detection. |
| 16:46:10 | amiconn | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CFModGuide#CF_card_and_HDD_identify_data_co |
| 16:46:10 | markun | amiconn: I'm looking into my font code again, just so you know :) |
| 16:46:40 | Zagor | amiconn: ah, great! |
| 16:46:43 | aurel42 | Is rockbox-themes.org "deprecated"? |
| 16:47:13 | Llorean | aurel42: Until rebuilt, yes. |
| 16:47:23 | aurel42 | ty |
| 16:47:55 | Zagor | amiconn: so there's a single microdrive that supports cfa? |
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| 16:48:29 | aurel42 | (would be nice if the WPS gallery gave the expected size for album art, I'm guessing it's not 100x100 but 144x144 for cabbie...) |
| 16:48:46 | Llorean | aurel42: The expected size is listed in the .wps file. |
| 16:49:01 | aurel42 | Ah, tyvm, I'll check. |
| 16:49:08 | aurel42 | Might save me some trial-and-error. :D |
| 16:49:16 | GodEater | it varies target to target |
| 16:49:21 | Llorean | aurel42: Basically, the cover art tag itself includes the size. |
| 16:49:25 | GodEater | so checking in the wps is definitely the most reliable way |
| 16:49:36 | Dementio | thanks for the help, but i have to be up at 0530 |
| 16:49:49 | Dementio | but, if you think of something, i'm willing to try it |
| 16:50:32 | MarcGuay | aurel42: The expected album art size for the current theme is also available under System->Rockbox Info. |
| 16:51:05 | aurel42 | That's even better, I'm kinda lost when it comes to the tags in the .wps file. |
| 16:51:08 | MarcGuay | That was a JdGordon sneak-attack nobody seems to have noticed. |
| 16:51:21 | Zagor | amiconn: that table looks less pessimistic than you do. the only drive that reports CFA is a CF+II drive |
| 16:51:39 | amiconn | Yes, but it's a drive, and needs spindown |
| 16:51:43 | pixelma | aurel42: since last week or so, the album art size of the loaded wps should be displayed in the "Rockbox info" screen under "System", haven't tried myself yet though... |
| 16:52:03 | aurel42 | Ah, that's why. I'm using the 3.0 release, that doesn't have that info. |
| 16:52:14 | aurel42 | What's the .wps tag I should be looking for? |
| 16:53:19 | MarcGuay | %Cl I think. CustomWPS wiki page knows. |
| 16:53:37 | aurel42 | yup, %Cl |
| 16:53:40 | Zagor | amiconn: so the fact is that there is one single drive that won't spin down if we implement. and that drive is in compact-flash form-factor and hence rather unlikely for anyone to use. |
| 16:53:51 | aurel42 | 120x120, phew. :D |
| 16:54:15 | MarcGuay | Is there a reason the System->Version menu option isn't called Credits? The version number is better retrieved through the Rockbox Info entry. |
| 16:55:00 | Llorean | Zagor: Except in minis where that's the native form factor. |
| 16:55:44 | Zagor | Llorean: sure, but this drive is only available in 6GB whereas flash drives are available in much larger sizes (and cheap too) |
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| 16:56:36 | Zagor | I'd say it's very unlikely anyone is ever going to use this Hitachi "mechanical compact-flash" in his or her mp3-player |
| 16:56:47 | LambdaCalculus37 | MarcGuay: Can't think of any reason why not. |
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| 16:58:47 | Llorean | Zagor: Just checking, but that's not the HD it *comes* with is it? |
| 16:58:55 | Llorean | I thought one of the models of Mini natively came with a Hitachi. |
| 16:59:46 | Zagor | Llorean: I don't know |
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| 17:00:13 | Llorean | I'd say that's an important question to answer then. Wouldn't want to go disabling disk-spindown on all minis. |
| 17:02:53 | amiconn | Zagor: That drive is the default drive of the iPod Mini... |
| 17:03:13 | Zagor | yup, just found that out. well then, back to the drawing board :-) |
| 17:04:51 | saratoga | i think the RS registers are resets, not enables, so that command probably inits something in the PP hardware |
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| 17:06:22 | aurel42 | Oh, I'm kinda surprised about the major increase in WAF that album art produced. Thanks for your help! |
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| 17:10:52 | n1s | amiconn: splashing from other threads than UI is bad, right? |
| 17:11:11 | amiconn | yep |
| 17:12:46 | MarcGuay | aurel42: WAF? Real words, please. |
| 17:12:52 | n1s | that's another bug in the get_next_dir function then... it splashes an error and is called from the audio thread as well as UI |
| 17:16:09 | aurel42 | MarcGuay: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woman_acceptance_factor |
| 17:17:06 | aurel42 | MarcGuay: SHE never used the word "cute" to refer to Rockbox before. ;) |
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| 17:38:54 | pondlife | n1s: You ok to commit my patch (and remove that splash)? |
| 17:39:22 | pondlife | I'm a bit busy right now |
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| 17:40:26 | pondlife | I should warn you I've not tried test builds for anything but H300 and H300 sim ;) |
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| 17:53:11 | MarcGuay | LambdaCalculus37: There doesn't seem to be a version for the HARP model, which is what you have, no? |
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| 17:56:12 | Landon | hi all, is there a quick guide to upgrading to rockbox 3.0? or do I just follow normal installation instructions |
| 17:56:15 | LambdaCalculus37 | MarcGuay: Correct. |
| 17:56:51 | MarcGuay | LambdaCalculus37: That's a bit odd. I wonder what kind of error it would throw for your model. |
| 17:57:40 | Landon | aha, looks like the only place I didnt check for upgrade instructuions were the actual installation instructions |
| 17:57:43 | Landon | problem solved :) |
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| 17:59:17 | MarcGuay | LambdaCalculus37: What do you hope to gain from that installer? Don't you already have copies of the OF roms? |
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| 18:00:29 | LambdaCalculus37 | MarcGuay: I wanted to try something out... a little crazy, but just to see what it does. |
| 18:01:00 | LambdaCalculus37 | I wanted to try rolling a bootloader for the m200, then have the installer upgrade the m200's firmware with that. A crazy notion, but I just want to see what it'll do. |
| 18:01:24 | MarcGuay | It probably does the same thing tcctool does, no? |
| 18:02:42 | LambdaCalculus37 | MarcGuay: Quite possibly, but this time directly running it on the hardware as opposed to just in RAM. |
| 18:03:03 | LambdaCalculus37 | Also to answer your other question, I only have an OF ROM for my older v2 hardware (NAND). |
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| 18:14:57 | LambdaCalculus37 | What's your wiki name? |
| 18:15:12 | EricHoffman | it should be EricHoffman |
| 18:15:25 | LambdaCalculus37 | One moment and I'll add you. |
| 18:15:30 | EricHoffman | thank you |
| 18:16:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | All done. Promise not to spam, now! :) |
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| 18:17:56 | pixelma | I thought you would have to promise not to spam first and then get write access ;) |
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| 18:24:13 | EricHoffman | i promise |
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| 18:32:29 | gevaerts | Dementio: it may be helpful if you find out which bits in that DEV_RS line cause problems. |
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| 18:40:36 | n1s | amiconn: could you test ipod bootloaders in FS #9369 on your 1g and 2g (or just build from latest branch with 'make VERSION=3.0') ? |
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| 18:44:27 | n1s | also, how risky do you think your bootloader related changes on the branch were? If it works on 1g and 2g i think we have enough coverage to put these up on the download site (only nano, 3g, 4g and mini1g not tested then) |
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| 19:19:26 | amiconn | Hmm, this kind of table-driven isn't really what I imagines. |
| 19:19:30 | amiconn | *imagined |
| 19:20:05 | amiconn | Besides, not making that array static is wasteful (as it is then constructed at runtime, meaning it's even more wasteful than the switch()) |
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| 19:33:02 | markun | amiconn: complaining about your own commit? |
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| 19:33:29 | amiconn | nope, but about what lead to that commit |
| 19:33:34 | XavierGr | any comments about FS #9455? |
| 19:34:47 | amiconn | XavierGr: Did you see the hints I've added to InterixDevelopment in reply to your experience? |
| 19:36:44 | XavierGr | I think yes, I saw them. In the end I managed to find the correct make but after some builds the time between cygwin and interix was mostly the same but interix being a bit slower |
| 19:37:00 | XavierGr | amiconn: for your information I always build with make -j instead of make |
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| 19:37:42 | gevaerts | Have you tried without -j? |
| 19:38:11 | XavierGr | gevaerts: hmm no, silly me I guess :\ |
| 19:38:31 | amiconn | Did you compare them using −−no-ccache? |
| 19:38:55 | XavierGr | nope, but maybe I will do some tests again |
| 19:39:18 | gevaerts | I wouldn't be surprised if -j has significantly different effects on different systems |
| 19:40:00 | amiconn | If you didn't, Interix will use ccache (because it's installed), but Cygwin won't |
| 19:40:20 | amiconn | The first build of a target is always slower when using ccache versus not using it |
| 19:40:43 | amiconn | Subsequent builds of the same targets should be faster than building without ccache |
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| 19:42:47 | amiconn | For me, the first builds on Interix using ccache are always faster than Cygwin builds (no ccache installed there), but then I never use -j |
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| 19:43:46 | XavierGr | another weird thing is that I changed the rockboxdev.sh to make the tools with make -j, but it never finished, so I had to revert my change |
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| 19:43:53 | XavierGr | but I don't understand why it would fail to build the tools with the -j argument |
| 19:44:31 | XavierGr | amiconn: in what machine do you usually build? |
| 19:45:03 | gevaerts | XavierGr: wrong dependency information can cause that |
| 19:46:05 | amiconn | On the laptop I mentioned several times already: Pentium M 1.5GHz, 1GB RAM, 120GB HDD, WinXP Pro |
| 19:46:41 | XavierGr | amiconn: so you never build on a multicore machine? |
| 19:46:56 | amiconn | I have no such machine |
| 19:47:02 | XavierGr | ah okay |
| 19:47:08 | gevaerts | good reason :) |
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| 19:47:31 | XavierGr | well for me building without -j is a major resources waste |
| 19:47:45 | XavierGr | build time can be increased as much as 4 times without it |
| 19:47:59 | amiconn | Do you use -j <number_of_cores> or plain -j ? |
| 19:48:48 | XavierGr | plain -j, there was a discussion here that conlcuded that -j ~= with -j "number of cores" |
| 19:48:53 | XavierGr | so I sticked to that |
| 19:49:01 | amiconn | It isn't |
| 19:49:38 | amiconn | Plain -j will cause 'make' to start as many parallel processes as the dependencies (or rather: independencies) allow, which can be dozens, even on a single core machine |
| 19:50:22 | XavierGr | amiconn: yes but without any extra cores the result will be the same, right? |
| 19:50:31 | amiconn | nope |
| 19:50:42 | gevaerts | So that could cause interesting issues depending on the scheduler. I'd try -j "number or cores", and -j "number of cores + 1 or 2" |
| 19:50:45 | amiconn | It could be faster or slower, depending on the RAM, the disk, the filesystem... |
| 19:51:13 | XavierGr | hmm it seems then that it is more complicated than I though |
| 19:51:15 | XavierGr | +t |
| 19:51:28 | amiconn | Also, plain -j will increase the chance that 'make' will stumble upon dependency problems |
| 19:51:56 | XavierGr | that explains the hanging while building the tools |
| 19:52:58 | amiconn | What does rockboxdev.sh have to do with the tools, btw? |
| 19:53:27 | XavierGr | I meant when building the crosscompilers |
| 19:53:35 | XavierGr | changed all make lines to make -j |
| 19:55:45 | XavierGr | also I wasn't fond that interix needed 2 services, reminded me vmware which needed about 4 |
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| 19:59:56 | XavierGr | amiconn: do you use your vmware image anymore? I still think that's the fastest and easiset way of building on windows using a virtuall machine (with cross compiled sims). |
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| 20:00:09 | amiconn | Fastest - yes. Easiest - no |
| 20:00:58 | gevaerts | "easiest using a virtual machine" :) |
| 20:00:59 | amiconn | I never used it for regular development, only for tests. Too cumbersome, imo. |
| 20:01:29 | XavierGr | amiconn: yeah I meant "using a virtual machine", because in the end cygwin is by far the easiest |
| 20:01:48 | * | Bagder thinks plain linux is easiest |
| 20:01:49 | amiconn | Either I need to copy the source over everytime before compiling, or I'd need to run samba and have the VM running all the time as a service |
| 20:02:44 | XavierGr | amiconn: when I was using it, I had some scripts that initialized all these, I never even seen/used the vmware gui as I was using putty (mentioned here) |
| 20:03:28 | XavierGr | then only hassle was that sometimes the image needed reboot because windows couldn't find it |
| 20:03:42 | gevaerts | You could suspend the VM, and build a makefile that first starts the VM, then rsyncs source, then builds, and then copies back the result |
| 20:03:59 | * | gevaerts doesn't recommend this |
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| 20:04:08 | amiconn | gevaerts: ...which would probably take longer than simply building on Cygwin or Interix |
| 20:04:27 | gevaerts | Very probably, yes |
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| 20:05:05 | n1s | XavierGr, amiconn: i usually build rockbox with make -j both for sim and target and have had no problems so far, i do share XavierGr's problem when building gcc though, probably make spawns too many processes |
| 20:05:32 | Bagder | makefiles need to be written properly for make -j to work |
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| 20:06:00 | Bagder | ours didn't work once upon a time either |
| 20:07:02 | n1s | Bagder: btw, does the distrbuted build system use make -j(#) ? |
| 20:07:29 | gevaerts | n1s: the BuildServer page tells you to adjust local scripts |
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| 20:07:38 | gevaerts | acbuild.pl? |
| 20:07:49 | Bagder | yes |
| 20:08:09 | Bagder | so each server owner sets that up |
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| 20:08:27 | n1s | aha, I'm thinking of setting up a buildserver myself once i get a power cord for the box, old p4 though so no multicore |
| 20:08:42 | n1s | hope it's fast enough |
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| 20:15:57 | * | n1s closes another "bug" report about ogg/vorbis files with id3 tags... |
| 20:16:24 | markun | n1s: do we skip those id3 tags? |
| 20:16:36 | n1s | markun: nope, we refuse to play the file |
| 20:18:13 | markun | we could just skip them.. but then people ask us why their tags are missing |
| 20:18:41 | n1s | This isn't a bug because the files are broken, thing is that some desktop players and even the h100 OF apparently does play them |
| 20:18:51 | XavierGr | hmm now I found some logs, vmware needs half the time than cygwin on my machine |
| 20:19:08 | XavierGr | 28 seconds to build an H300 build... |
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| 20:19:33 | gevaerts | n1s: maybe a panic() would be better |
| 20:19:40 | * | gevaerts hides slightly |
| 20:20:40 | n1s | markun: we could indeed, but i think the conclusion is that this would open the door for supporting more exotic tag/stream combos and weird workarounds for commonly broken things, also i guess noone cares enough to code it :) |
| 20:20:48 | n1s | gevaerts: +1! |
| 20:21:03 | markun | n1s: like APE tags for MP3 files? |
| 20:21:10 | n1s | for example |
| 20:21:11 | gevaerts | And vorbiscomment for mp3s |
| 20:21:19 | markun | which some people also use :) |
| 20:21:27 | markun | gevaerts: that's just crazy :) |
| 20:21:54 | gevaerts | It isn't! vorbiscomment is a lot more flexible |
| 20:22:00 | amiconn | XavierGr: wow |
| 20:22:29 | amiconn | You can build H300 in under a minute on Cygwin? That's even faster than my linux box can... |
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| 20:23:06 | XavierGr | amiconn: that was on vmware http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20080422#02:49:51 |
| 20:23:39 | XavierGr | amiconn: but right now it is close to 1 minute for cygwin yes |
| 20:23:55 | XavierGr | I am tempted to install linux |
| 20:24:04 | amiconn | I doubled the 28s... |
| 20:24:15 | XavierGr | yes, sorry misunderstood |
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| 20:24:57 | bertrik | IIRC, just the svnversion step took > 10s on my pc running windows xp with cygwin |
| 20:25:19 | n1s | gevaerts: can FS #9380 be closed, i was unable to reproduce on my h300 both before the supposed fix and after and since it seems it fixed the problem on arm based targets... |
| 20:26:00 | gevaerts | n1s: I'll test right away |
| 20:26:13 | XavierGr | I must install linux and give it a try, 28 seconds with half the cores (on vmware) is incredible |
| 20:27:09 | * | amiconn does a Cygwin test |
| 20:27:34 | bertrik | XavierGr, you did do a "make clean" before, right ? :P |
| 20:27:59 | XavierGr | bertrik: haha of course, I don't think I was that dumb when I did the test :P |
| 20:28:43 | XavierGr | but it is true that I didn't manage to redo that test because I never used again the vmware image |
| 20:29:14 | gevaerts | n1s: r18691 is the fixed revision, right? |
| 20:29:46 | n1s | yup |
| 20:31:20 | * | gevaerts builds r18690 |
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| 20:36:29 | gevaerts | XavierGr: that was with ccache, which works extremely well on linux but not so much on cygwin/interix |
| 20:38:29 | * | n1s gets 60/37/35 seconds for make/make -j2/make -j3 with ccache on 3.2GHz pentium D (seems amiconn's latest configure change saved about a second) |
| 20:38:52 | n1s | that's a h300 build |
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| 20:40:20 | n1s | so, how long do we wait for people to respond to questions in fs tasks before closing them? 1 week, 2? |
| 20:40:38 | gevaerts | What sort of questions? |
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| 20:41:40 | n1s | when someone posts a patch to fix a 'problem' but doesn't say what the problem is and we ask what it is. (see fs#9421 for example ) |
| 20:41:47 | funman | LambdaCalculus37: yes FS #9467 is a git patch but it's also a standard patch |
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| 20:43:17 | LambdaCalculus37 | funman: Ahh. Thanks for the info. :) |
| 20:44:02 | gevaerts | n1s: that patch seems to contain bona fide translation fixes. I wouldn't just close that |
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| 20:44:29 | gevaerts | n1s: in other news, at least r18690 still has the spacerocks bug. Now going to try r18691 |
| 20:45:21 | * | n1s wonders how many french language maintainers look at a task called " "Official" release not OK"... |
| 20:45:32 | * | gevaerts guesses 0 |
| 20:45:33 | n1s | gevaerts: well, that is good news :) |
| 20:46:35 | n1s | any french maintainer in here, who wants to look at it? else, I'll just change it into a patch and give it a new title |
| 20:47:16 | funman | I am not maintainer but I can look if the sentences are right |
| 20:47:43 | n1s | funman: would be nice, FS #9421 |
| 20:48:34 | gevaerts | As a non-native speaker and non-maintainer, that patch seems to be correct |
| 20:48:35 | funman | - radio_screen_button_bar: "" |
| 20:48:35 | funman | + radio_screen_button_bar: "action" |
| 20:49:12 | funman | I don't know what's the meaning of this however |
| 20:49:40 | n1s | funman: that should remain empty as it is empty in english.lang |
| 20:49:54 | funman | the hunk at line 10995 looks suspicious |
| 20:50:49 | n1s | why? |
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| 20:51:11 | funman | well I don't understand the english word: "Work" |
| 20:51:32 | funman | for LANG_ID3_GROUPING |
| 20:52:25 | gevaerts | I think Œuvre may be a what's meant |
| 20:52:47 | amiconn | Build times for H300 without ccache and without -j (and virus scanner disabled): Cygwin 11:46, Interix 11:35 (yes, that's min:sec) |
| 20:53:06 | n1s | ugh |
| 20:53:15 | amiconn | I wonder where the huge differences between speed differences come from... |
| 20:53:44 | gevaerts | I suspect that you need to enable dircache ;) |
| 20:53:54 | amiconn | For building the toolchains, Interix is *way* faster than Cygwin (measured speed differences of a factor 2...7 (!)) |
| 20:54:07 | amiconn | But for building rockbox, the difference is small... |
| 20:54:23 | n1s | amiconn: maybe it's our buildsystem? |
| 20:54:43 | gevaerts | amiconn: is the console fast? Try redirecting all output to /dev/null |
| 20:55:09 | * | gevaerts doubts if that is the real problem, but it may help a bit |
| 20:55:14 | amiconn | The console is the same in both cases. And building gcc spits a lot more junk to the console than our build system |
| 20:55:20 | gevaerts | Or a file, if it's not for testing |
| 20:55:41 | funman | Grouping is explained in FS #7362 |
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| 20:56:04 | * | amiconn tries a comparison of '(g)make -j' |
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| 20:56:27 | gevaerts | funman: Œuvre it is then... |
| 20:56:55 | gevaerts | n1s: r18691 also still has the bug |
| 20:57:20 | n1s | gevaerts: ah, crap :( good to know at least |
| 20:57:45 | funman | gevaerts: it doesn't explicit a multi parts work then, but the english translation neither, so I think it's ok |
| 20:58:34 | gevaerts | n1s: to reproduce, disable the shutdown timer, start spacerocks, and just let it sit there for a while (around five minutes should do it, but to be sure it's fixed I'd wait 15 minutes) |
| 20:58:56 | * | n1s tries it again |
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| 21:07:29 | funman | in FS #9421 what's the meaning of the hunk @6145 ? (adding deprecated in the translated string) |
| 21:07:51 | funman | gevaerts: also can we use Πor only Oe ? |
| 21:08:15 | gevaerts | funman: Πshould be fine |
| 21:08:19 | * | gevaerts gains two seconds (out of 58) by redirecting all build output to /dev/null |
| 21:08:26 | TMM | hi all |
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| 21:11:00 | pixelma | n1s: but "depricated" shouldn't be in the <dest> part, just <source> right? |
| 21:11:06 | n1s | gevaerts: ah, yes, got the crazy rocks now, took over 10 minutes though, i was probably too impatient/hoping it was fixed before ;) |
| 21:11:22 | n1s | pixelma: it doesn't matter in the dest really |
| 21:12:04 | gevaerts | n1s: when I filed that bug report, I had about eight DAPs sitting around running spacerocks :) |
| 21:12:20 | pixelma | n1s: hmm, I thought it matters a teeny tiny bit as it makes the language file bigger even though the string won't be used |
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| 21:13:11 | n1s | pixelma: iirc, it is enough that the <source> in english.lang is marked as deprecated for genlang to make it an empty string disregarding the rest of the fields |
| 21:13:17 | n1s | gevaerts: :) |
| 21:14:17 | gevaerts | n1s: I actually don't think that this is a very serious bug, as it probably only happens if you have the same rock floating around for minutes. If you do that in a real game, you're dead |
| 21:14:44 | n1s | but it is kind of interesting :) |
| 21:14:58 | gevaerts | That it is :) |
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| 21:15:19 | funman | n1s: I attached the newer patch, but you want to wait for input from the author before committing |
| 21:16:39 | n1s | funman: your attachment is 0 bytes |
| 21:16:44 | amiconn | Build times for H300 without ccache, with -j (and virus scanner disabled): Cygwin 9:47, Interix 11:32 |
| 21:16:54 | amiconn | So plain -j helps Cygwin, but not Interix |
| 21:17:22 | funman | hm |
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| 21:18:45 | funman | n1s: corrected |
| 21:20:28 | n1s | funman: thanks, I'll commit that now as it seems the original poster isn't very responsive... |
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| 21:23:09 | n1s | pixelma: correction of what i said before: it is enough that the desc field is marked as deprecated and genlang will disregard the other fields |
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| 21:25:06 | * | n1s is getting confused so is bes ignored... |
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| 21:27:18 | n1s | Has anyone worked out a work-around for the unicode char breakage on the frontpage? |
| 21:29:19 | Bagder | we should switch it to utf8 entirely |
| 21:31:05 | * | bluebrother agrees |
| 21:31:45 | gevaerts | utf16! |
| 21:31:58 | bluebrother | ucs2? |
| 21:32:19 | bluebrother | or rather windows-1252? |
| 21:32:24 | * | bluebrother ducks |
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| 21:32:35 | gevaerts | ebcdic |
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| 21:32:56 | bluebrother | morse-code? |
| 21:33:42 | * | linuxstb thought we had established morse code's limited character set in -community recently |
| 21:33:44 | ins2d | hello to everyone |
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| 21:34:20 | ins2d | i'm for the 1st time here so please dont punish me hard :) |
| 21:34:39 | linuxstb | ins2d: As long as you read the manual before coming, you'll be fine... |
| 21:34:46 | * | bluebrother pulls out punish instruments |
| 21:34:53 | gevaerts | And the irc guidelines :) |
| 21:35:11 | linuxstb | And every corner of the website ;) |
| 21:35:13 | ins2d | i only have a question to the expirienced iRiver H300 users and fans |
| 21:35:15 | ins2d | :) |
| 21:35:55 | ins2d | searched it throw the web but without the result :) |
| 21:36:04 | ins2d | so... |
| 21:36:42 | ins2d | the problem is that H3x0 has usb host at 1.1 speed |
| 21:37:12 | * | linuxstb wonders what the question is |
| 21:37:22 | ins2d | and it's tooooo slow for me |
| 21:37:24 | ins2d | :)))))) |
| 21:37:44 | ins2d | is there any king of way to turn it to 2.0? |
| 21:37:48 | ins2d | ;-D |
| 21:37:49 | scorche|sh | ins2d: what does this have to do with rockbox? |
| 21:37:56 | bluebrother | then you need to buy a PC. USBOTG is 1.1 only |
| 21:38:17 | ins2d | I have the PC ))) |
| 21:38:17 | bluebrother | plus, Rockbox doesn't support OTG (yet) |
| 21:38:37 | ins2d | i just wonder if any way exists |
| 21:40:07 | gevaerts | ins2d: the hardware only supports full speed |
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| 21:40:24 | gevaerts | And that is 2.0 by the way. Spec version has nothing to do with speed |
| 21:40:50 | ins2d | the question is not about the Rockbox, i understand. But i hope there are many peolple here to know this business |
| 21:41:05 | scorche|sh | ins2d: this channel is only about rockbox subjects |
| 21:41:19 | ins2d | ok i see |
| 21:41:29 | LambdaCalculus37 | ins2d: Ask at the Misticriver forums. That site is more iriver-oriented. |
| 21:41:45 | * | gevaerts already gave a full answer anyway :) |
| 21:42:04 | ins2d | ok, thank you :) sorry for disturbing :) |
| 21:42:55 | * | bluebrother somehow remembers the ISP1362 can do full speed only |
| 21:43:41 | bluebrother | yep. At least the datasheet makes me believe this |
| 21:44:08 | gevaerts | It should also be able to do low speed |
| 21:44:26 | bluebrother | yep, but he wants it to be faster ;-) |
| 21:44:38 | ins2d | :)) |
| 21:45:05 | * | bluebrother wonders what the smileys want to tell ... |
| 21:45:31 | ins2d | i'm ready for hardware changes if they can help |
| 21:45:56 | bluebrother | you don't want to do that. How should the OF cope with changed hardware? |
| 21:46:22 | ins2d | some patch? |
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| 21:46:31 | * | bluebrother gives up |
| 21:47:34 | ins2d | OK quys, i better go to the misticriver! maybe they know this theme! |
| 21:47:40 | ins2d | thanks for help! |
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| 22:22:05 | wiehan | I am running ubuntu, I've read your forums and Manual and can't find a solution. I get an error during install (with rokcbox utility, running as sudo) - "failed to add bootloader". I have also tried the manual method with ipodpatcher but always seem to be getting errors... |
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| 22:24:27 | gevaerts | wiehan: you've forgotten one pretty important bit of information : which player? |
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| 22:25:11 | * | gevaerts guesses an ipod but would still like to know which one |
| 22:25:39 | gevaerts | And what are the errors you get from ipodpatcher? |
| 22:26:16 | wiehan | sorry mate, ipod photo, but for some magical unexplainable reason - it just worked... I did everything exactly the same, I've probably tried this 20 times. |
| 22:26:40 | gevaerts | Maybe a bad cable or something like that |
| 22:26:49 | wiehan | Or it is busy working rateher, getting further than before... will report back when I have complte success |
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| 22:32:02 | wiehan | Thanks people, it worked 100% |
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| 23:15:34 | petur | oh nice, my h380 crashed... |
| 23:16:47 | petur | r18677 just froze when pressing stop two times after each other while playing... |
| 23:16:59 | * | petur tries to reproduce |
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| 23:17:56 | petur | can't... :( |
| 23:19:09 | n1s | petur: there are still some playback bugs that look like races, yesterday my h320 hanged in the wps when i used dirskip a couple of times (the number varied) |
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| 23:20:13 | petur | n1s: I pressed stop while it was playing, wonderd why it showed the paused anumation and hit stop again. Must be a timing thing |
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| 23:21:33 | Buschel | Llorean/saratoga: I've read yesterdays's logs. you've talked about the cost of the accessory power supply for 5G. it is ~1.5mA −− which is quite a lot. |
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| 23:22:19 | Buschel | Llorean/saratoga: battery runtime test show reproducible ~40-45min more runtime |
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| 23:29:19 | casainho | hello Rockbox people :-) |
| 23:29:37 | casainho | I have a question about ARM interrupts - I am having a problem on a new port... |
| 23:30:11 | casainho | in my port, the MCU hangs on the main(), inside one while(1), but If I just use one interrupt, a timer interrupt |
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| 23:31:39 | n1s | rbutil supports sapi voices on windows, right? |
| 23:32:05 | casainho | I were doing a kind of debug using a LED and found that PC do not goes to very first code after having the first interrupt... - can anyone help me on interrupts? |
| 23:32:27 | dionoea | GodEater: pong |
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| 23:32:42 | casainho | my IRQ vector says: irq_vector: |
| 23:32:44 | casainho | b irq_handler /* IRQ : read the AIC */ |
| 23:33:10 | casainho | however, very first code on "irq_handler" is not executed :-( |
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| 23:36:03 | fml | XavierGr: hello. Could you tell me when the issue with scroll padding (pixels vs. spaces) was discussed? I'd like to read the logs. SInce I think spaces are much better. |
| 23:36:08 | saratoga | Buschel: long time no see |
| 23:36:12 | bluebrother | n1s: yes |
| 23:36:46 | n1s | bluebrother: ok, good, I was responding to a confused rbutil user in the forum |
| 23:36:59 | Buschel | saratoga: yep, i'm quite busy with real life |
| 23:37:21 | saratoga | have you looked at my MP3 cop work? |
| 23:37:58 | Buschel | saratoga: of course, i was reading the logs and the fs entry ;-) good work! |
| 23:38:20 | saratoga | i'm curious if you've looked into that for MPC? |
| 23:38:35 | saratoga | i imagine a similar approach would be possible there |
| 23:38:50 | Buschel | saratoga: I thought about it. but the gain won't be that much |
| 23:39:00 | fml | XavierGr: the "proportional" padding is better IMHO that a fixed width (in pixels) |
| 23:40:06 | fml | *than |
| 23:40:11 | saratoga | Buschel: put the whole thing on COP then |
| 23:40:16 | bluebrother | n1s: seems some people fail to find the "change" button in the voice windows ... :( |
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| 23:40:28 | saratoga | have the CPU free for GUI/buffering, then you could put it quite low |
| 23:41:24 | Buschel | saratoga: for optimum gain 50:50 partitioning (in terms of cpu-load) would be needed. maybe a 25:75 is reachable with a very similar approach to your's for mp3 |
| 23:42:04 | Buschel | saratoga: so, leave 25% on CPU and put 75% to COP |
| 23:42:31 | Buschel | saratoga: nevertheless I need to have and take the time to do so... |
| 23:42:55 | saratoga | yes i understand, have had very little time for programming this month as well |
| 23:45:40 | Buschel | saratoga: were there runtime tests performed with lowered normal clock (e.g. 24MHz)? |
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| 23:46:25 | Buschel | saratoga: how efficient is 2x40MHz compared to 1x80MHz (and COP in sleep)? |
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| 23:48:23 | saratoga | Buschel: i haven't had time to do rigourous measurements, but I would expect a savings of perhaps 1.5 to 2ma by lowing the core clock to 24mhz |
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| 23:48:57 | saratoga | Buschel: I do have DMM/labview measurements for single vs. dual vs. boosting |
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| 23:49:43 | saratoga | I estimate that boosting to 80MHz from 30MHz uses 4 times as much power per Op then using 2 cores |
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| 23:50:50 | Buschel | saratoga: and how do these measurements look like? |
| 23:51:07 | saratoga | http://www.duke.edu/~mgg6/rockbox/30mhz-2.png |
| 23:51:15 | saratoga | http://www.duke.edu/~mgg6/rockbox/80mhz.png |
| 23:51:22 | saratoga | http://www.duke.edu/~mgg6/rockbox/80mhz-2.png |
| 23:51:40 | Buschel | saratoga: I assume 2x40MHz is more effective than 1x80MHz + sleeping COP? |
| 23:52:02 | saratoga | Buschel: tremendously so |
| 23:53:02 | saratoga | also interesting, though inconclusive due to not running the sandisk bootloader on my player: http://www.duke.edu/~mgg6/rockbox/rb-of.png |
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| 23:54:08 | XavierGr | so what do you prefer for a scroll padding? a pixel width setting or a space number setting? |
| 23:54:16 | XavierGr | (FS #9455) |
| 23:55:38 | bertrik | saratoga, so there's still some room for improvement :) |
| 23:55:43 | XavierGr | as fml said choosing spaces is proportional to the selected font, while choosing number of pixels is fixed for all fonts |
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| 23:56:05 | bluebrother | XavierGr: well, some players (like winamp) even use something completely different like +++ |
| 23:56:11 | Buschel | saratoga: hmm, the graphs show that there is no big difference in sleeping or active cores? the difference come with the clocking? |
| 23:56:13 | saratoga | bertrik: thats pre-COP, and probably not comparable due to lack of the retail bootloader |
| 23:56:25 | saratoga | Buschel: yes the difference is extremely small |
| 23:56:31 | saratoga | effectively both cores are always running |
| 23:56:39 | XavierGr | bluebrother: that's another request from fml, negative values = "+" |
| 23:56:42 | saratoga | well to within a couple mA |
| 23:56:55 | bluebrother | so, why not let the user set a padding string himself? That way one can define himself how much space it should be (or if it should be some delimiting character(s) −− I'd rather use something like that) |
| 23:57:14 | bluebrother | how about allowing to enter an arbitrary string? |
| 23:57:30 | XavierGr | that can be done too |
| 23:57:49 | Buschel | saratoga: man, you should have measured this a few moths ago. that was exactly what i was asking here. answer was: sleeping core does not need a reasonable amount of power :( |
| 23:58:01 | bluebrother | could be fixed to a maximum length of a couple of characters, but that would fit (almost?) all needs |
| 23:58:11 | XavierGr | a fixed string input via the virtual keyboard, stored into settings and then appended to each forward scrolling string? |
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| 23:58:19 | Buschel | saratoga: better knowing it now than never ;) |
| 23:58:38 | saratoga | Buschel: I know but finding a couple hours in the lab is hard to do |
| 23:58:46 | bluebrother | the only problem could arise if someone wants to use something like 5 spaces as string. But that could be handled using a replacement character when displaying |
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| 23:58:49 | saratoga | will probably be another few months before I finish those measurements |
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