| 00:01:14 | linuxstb | dionoea: Around? |
| 00:03:08 | * | amiconn tries binutils 2.18 |
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| 00:09:44 | Bagder | amusing fact; the 4th most common "phrase" searched for when people ended up on www.rockbox.org => |
| 00:09:51 | Bagder | "rockbox.org" |
| 00:10:02 | * | linuxstb scratches head |
| 00:10:33 | gevaerts | Isn't that because of modern brain-dead browsers that go to google instead of the website you want? |
| 00:10:46 | Bagder | perhaps |
| 00:11:00 | amiconn | Hmm, binutils 2.18 fails even earlier. It complains about a missing 'makeinfo' |
| 00:11:13 | linuxstb | Does "http://rockbox.org" exist? |
| 00:11:27 | Bagder | yes |
| 00:11:35 | Bagder | or rather, it redirects to www... |
| 00:14:33 | olegfink | hmmm, simpler question |
| 00:14:42 | olegfink | which players use HXF format for OF? |
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| 00:15:16 | * | Bagder has no idea |
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| 00:16:40 | * | pixelma wishes there was a way to have the remote buttons working in the sim, at least in an Iaudio M3 sim |
| 00:17:07 | shot0fadds | Bah. I intended to spend this evening testing some improvements to the Telechips NAND driver on my m200. Instead I've spent it trying to make the m200 work at all :( |
| 00:17:35 | shot0fadds | It seems r18435 breaks the button driver (or at least the display in the bootloader always shows 0x0 now) |
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| 00:18:23 | shot0fadds | ...and I have no idea why, but r18584 seems to cause the weird nand_identify() behaviour I mentioned earlier |
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| 00:20:09 | shot0fadds | Unfortunately any further investigation will have to wait until the weekend. Night all! |
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| 00:21:27 | Bagder | http://gizmodo.com/5059598/zero+cost-gadget-upgrades-for-the-next-great-depression |
| 00:21:31 | Bagder | with a rockbox reference! |
| 00:21:50 | amiconn | gah, gcc :( |
| 00:22:13 | linuxstb | shot0fadds: You sure it was that commit? I'm pretty sure I tested the m200 afterwards. Or maybe I just tested the DAX.... |
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| 00:22:56 | shot0fadds | linuxstb: 100% |
| 00:23:29 | amiconn | I fixed the array bounds warning (->error b/c of -Werror) (in gas/configure). Now it errors because of several 'blah might be used uninitialized...' |
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| 00:24:00 | amiconn | Seems we need to configure with −−disable-werror when host gcc is 4.3+ |
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| 00:24:50 | shot0fadds | amiconn: any idea why r18584 might cause unexpected behaviour in a completely unrelated function? I can't see anything obvious. |
| 00:25:50 | amiconn | no |
| 00:26:52 | shot0fadds | good answer :p I'll look into it further at the weekend. |
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| 00:29:55 | amiconn | No, really. That commit just strips the bidi + arabic processing from bootloaders. All the bidi function now does is decoding to ucs-2 |
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| 00:40:29 | amiconn | Bagder: −−disable-werror does the trick |
| 00:41:07 | amiconn | I'd need a way to check host gcc version in rockboxdev.sh though. Alternatively I could always add this option for binutils 2.17 |
| 00:41:13 | amiconn | What do you think? |
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| 00:42:41 | funman | if i remember correctly vitja mentioned weird behaviours in usb code after a (that?) bidi change |
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| 00:47:09 | funman | who can I bug to have a look at FS #9467 (add clip target to rockbox) ? |
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| 00:55:19 | Munkie | hi |
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| 01:01:30 | markun | hi Munkie |
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| 01:01:58 | Munkie | hows the rockbox treating you? |
| 01:02:49 | markun | pretty well |
| 01:02:50 | lfaraone | Hey, I'm unable to run the rockbox GUI installer on windows, it gives me an error after downloading rockbox.zip (among others) that it cannot create a directory for extraction. |
| 01:03:21 | markun | Munkie: which player do you have? |
| 01:03:52 | markun | lfaraone: I don't know anything about the installer, maybe someone else can help you |
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| 01:04:21 | markun | but it's getting a bit late over here in europe, so a lot of people will be sleeping |
| 01:04:33 | Munkie | haha. im same timezone.. |
| 01:04:37 | funman | shotofadds (for the logs): http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20081004#10:24:49 |
| 01:04:44 | lfaraone | Damn. |
| 01:04:50 | Munkie | what zip program are you using? |
| 01:05:32 | lfaraone | Munkie: I don't know, I'd assume it's the standard one. |
| 01:05:51 | lfaraone | Munkie: The GUI has a "install everything" button, it downloads and extracts. |
| 01:06:08 | lfaraone | Munkie: it throughs an error on extraction. (this is the rockbox QT app) |
| 01:07:11 | Munkie | oh. maybe try running it on a different pc? or have you specufied where your player is? eg: the drive and what player it is. there is an auto detect button but im not sure if it works so well. |
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| 01:07:49 | Munkie | does it say, "Downloading rockbox"? |
| 01:08:30 | Munkie | what player do u have? |
| 01:09:36 | funman | can bidi_l2v() be called by multiple concurrent threads? |
| 01:10:15 | lfaraone | Munkie: iPod nano. |
| 01:11:07 | lfaraone | Munkie: "Downloading file rockbox.zip; Download finished; Extracting file; Extracting failed: Unable to create directory." |
| 01:11:41 | Munkie | ok i have an ipod video, so im guessing things are the same. |
| 01:11:41 | amiconn | funman: Nope. |
| 01:12:03 | amiconn | funman: And if that would really be the cause, it would break the full version as well |
| 01:12:11 | funman | amiconn: right |
| 01:12:14 | JdGordon | pixelma: there is a patch in the tracker to add the remote keys to the im |
| 01:12:15 | JdGordon | sim |
| 01:12:47 | funman | maybe this change just make a race condition more likely to be hit due to speeding up execution ? |
| 01:12:56 | amiconn | Actually, my 'nope' wasn't entirely correct. It can be called both by the main thread and the scroll thread |
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| 01:13:51 | Munkie | lfaraone: which tab is selected in the GUI? |
| 01:14:00 | amiconn | But rockbox has cooperative threading, and neither bidi_l2v() nor its caller does yield, so this is no problem |
| 01:14:31 | JdGordon | hehe... Album Hart :D |
| 01:15:00 | amiconn | It would be a problem if someone would move the scroll thread to the COP on PP, but most likely not the only problem such a move would cause |
| 01:15:14 | funman | amiconn: just exploring the possible problems that diff is causing |
| 01:16:06 | lfaraone | Munkie: The first one. |
| 01:16:33 | lfaraone | Munkie: "Quick start" |
| 01:17:07 | amiconn | funman: I presume the problem lies in the other code (which is affected by that commit) |
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| 01:17:18 | lfaraone | (continued in private message) |
| 01:17:41 | funman | amiconn: I the other file modified in that commit was only used by archos target |
| 01:17:49 | funman | + thought |
| 01:17:56 | amiconn | I know, it was my commit after all |
| 01:18:11 | amiconn | I mean the code vitja and shotofadds have problems with |
| 01:18:49 | funman | how is it affected by this commit then, execution speed? |
| 01:19:55 | amiconn | If the other code is correct, it shouldn't be affected. But if there's a bug, it can very well be affected by the changed memory layout (one static array less) |
| 01:20:16 | Zambezi | I installed Rockbox 2008-08-24 with build r18339 (on my Mini 2gen). Everything works perfectly, so I don't see any reason to upgrade because of that, but what's your idea? |
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| 01:21:09 | funman | Zambezi: if it works fine, don't change it. |
| 01:21:45 | soap | Zambezi, though you can get at least 10% longer runtime with MP3 by updating, you can get working recording, and other fixes. |
| 01:21:49 | Zambezi | funman: Then I won't. I finally fixed my iPod (had to replace a sparepart). |
| 01:22:18 | amiconn | funman: bad advice, imo |
| 01:22:52 | amiconn | Upgrading rockbox almost always pays off (e.g. the mp3 optimisation you mentioned) |
| 01:23:03 | Zambezi | amiconn: It like works good, but might work even better. |
| 01:23:30 | soap | there have been some very nice bugfixes since 18339 |
| 01:24:38 | Zambezi | soap: That's what I thought since it's been a long time (and my clickwheel broke so I haven't used for like a month). |
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| 01:28:02 | Zambezi | First time ever I think it sucks it's Friday tomorrow. I need a docappointment, but won't be awake 08.00 to get an "emergencytime". |
| 01:28:26 | Zambezi | Maybe too offtopic. Forget about that. ;-) |
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| 01:34:17 | pixelma | soap: I think the Minis can't record |
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| 01:37:49 | soap | oh well, I think you're right. The MP3 and bug fixes still stand ;) |
| 01:38:00 | soap | infact, I'm sure you're right. |
| 01:38:27 | soap | blind parsing of the changelog never did anybody any good. |
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| 01:45:05 | lfaraone | Where is the souce for the GUI installer utility? |
| 01:52:58 | pixelma | where the rest of the source is (in the rbutil subfolder) |
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| 02:00:27 | lfaraone | pixelma: ah, ok. |
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| 02:38:21 | OK_KID_7 | got rockbox on my 30 g ipod, and working ok |
| 02:38:38 | OK_KID_7 | is it possible to manage the songs on the ipod without using itunes? |
| 02:39:05 | krazykit | of course. you can just drag and drop if you want. |
| 02:39:24 | OK_KID_7 | the database shows the songs loaded by itunes....but i am looking at how to upload songs without itunes, directly to the ipod, if that is possible? |
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| 02:39:51 | OK_KID_7 | drag and drop the song or song folders to the ipod icon on my laptop? |
| 02:40:19 | krazykit | OK_KID_7, your ipod is just a portable hard drive. put the music wherever YOU want it. |
| 02:40:38 | OK_KID_7 | i tried opening up the "files" folder on the ipod and putting some music in there....then i clicked to play them that way.....and it bombed out! |
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| 02:41:50 | OK_KID_7 | after it bombed out all i could get it to do, was display "root" no matter what....so i have reloaded it and put rockbox back on it. so i am trying to avoid doing that again.... |
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| 02:42:27 | OK_KID_7 | using compaq laptop v6000 and windows vista. |
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| 02:44:20 | advcomp2019 | what do you mean by "bombed out" |
| 02:45:37 | OK_KID_7 | that meant it showed the music in the data base, but when i clicked on it to play, it would not play at all. |
| 02:45:55 | OK_KID_7 | it displayed the name of the song, and then said "roo", and that was all. |
| 02:46:06 | OK_KID_7 | nothing i could do would change anything.... |
| 02:46:20 | advcomp2019 | what kind of files are they then? |
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| 02:49:28 | OK_KID_7 | the files i loaded was music, mp3 |
| 02:50:04 | OK_KID_7 | anyway, i tried just a few minutes ago, the advice of drag and drop to the ipod icon on my computer, and that worked. |
| 02:50:50 | OK_KID_7 | it loaded the music in the "files" folder; the ituntes music that was on the device is loaded under the "database", but both are on the device now..... |
| 02:51:03 | OK_KID_7 | and that is what i was after.....so i am thankful... |
| 02:51:42 | OK_KID_7 | i heard about rockbox on the "floss" podcast.....so i thought i would try it out.....pretty snazzy! |
| 02:52:50 | krazykit | OK_KID_7, well, you can find a lot of information in the rockbox manual, so do check it out sometime :) |
| 02:56:12 | OK_KID_7 | i breezed thru some of that, but had a hard time with it..... |
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| 02:56:28 | OK_KID_7 | thanks for the help..... |
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| 03:03:47 | wormjim | I had a quick rock box question for video ipod, any help? |
| 03:05:18 | lfaraone | Did anybody else read that as a "quick brown fox"? |
| 03:05:34 | wormjim | lol I see that now |
| 03:07:26 | wormjim | would video out work on rockbox using the usb composite cable? |
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| 03:32:15 | soap | JdGordon, is your new WPS tag (volume button yes/no) able to be used as a conditional? |
| 03:32:26 | JdGordon | yes |
| 03:32:31 | JdGordon | that was the whole point of it :D |
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| 04:13:01 | lfaraone | Hey, how can I tell an iPod to dual-boot rockbox and proprietary-iPodSoftware? |
| 04:15:43 | dimension128 | I'm not fully understanding what the plans are for supporting the Philips GoGear devices. The 9200 ok, and there is mention of the 3100 Series. Does this mean that my SA3346/37 may be supported in the near future, because it falls between these model numbers? Or just wish-full thinking on my part? |
| 04:19:06 | lfaraone | Never mind, I'm RTFM. |
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| 04:25:59 | JdGordon | dimension128: there are no "plans" for future ports |
| 04:26:11 | JdGordon | if someone comes along with the expertise and inclination to do one then it might happen |
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| 04:39:55 | lfaraone | Ok, is there any way to make the ROLO load iPod's software by default, and the Rockbox as an alternate? |
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| 04:47:01 | safetydan | lfaraone: no |
| 04:47:14 | safetydan | unless you're willing to compile your own bootloader which has risks and is unsupported |
| 04:48:53 | lfaraone | safetydan: plus, I have no experience in whatever language the loader is written in :) |
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| 04:50:24 | lfaraone | safetydan: ( I'm trying to convince one of my friends to use rockbox (primarilly for watching videos) and they'd only allow it if they didn't have to do anyhting to boot "normally", they like using iTunes... sigh) |
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| 04:52:48 | lfaraone | safetydan: Thanks. |
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| 05:05:09 | tamahome02000 | test |
| 05:06:20 | tamahome02000 | the installer has a fundamental flaw, it after the bootloader, it writes to the mountpoint when it's no longer mounted, then that directory can't be used for mounting for the rockbox install |
| 05:06:54 | tamahome02000 | in osx |
| 05:07:07 | tamahome02000 | ipod 30 gig |
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| 05:08:49 | saratoga | tamahome02000: yes I think that bug is well known |
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| 06:46:43 | Ketrel | Quick question, on the Sansa c200 series, when I try to add file to a new playlist, it wants me to enter a name. 2 things on that, how do you backspace, and how do you say ok after you're finished? |
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| 07:08:19 | Llorean | Ketrel: Controls for the virtual keyboard should be in the manual. |
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| 07:09:48 | Ketrel | Llorean: I thought so, but I'm not having an easy time finding it, lemme download the PDF (I printed it) maybe I can seach for the text then |
| 07:12:49 | Ketrel | yup found it, thanks |
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| 07:43:33 | crc | hey guys I was wondering does rockbox run on the apple 160gb ipod? |
| 07:43:39 | crc | cause I can't tell which gen that is |
| 07:44:22 | J-23 | Is it Classic, Shuffle or Nano? |
| 07:44:27 | n17ikh|Lappy | no |
| 07:44:28 | n17ikh|Lappy | it's a classic |
| 07:44:38 | n17ikh|Lappy | http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1353 |
| 07:44:45 | n17ikh|Lappy | only 160gb model listed is the classic |
| 07:45:00 | J-23 | "Apple: 1st through 5.5th generation iPod, iPod Mini and 1st generation iPod Nano |
| 07:45:01 | J-23 | (not the Shuffle, 2nd/3rd gen Nano, Classic or Touch)", as http://rockbox.org says |
| 07:45:05 | crc | yeah classic. so rockbox won't run on it? it's 6th gen I guess. |
| 07:45:12 | crc | damn. |
| 07:45:35 | J-23 | sorry for pasting two lines, I forgot to merge it to one message |
| 07:45:47 | crc | well thanks |
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| 09:25:44 | amiconn | B4gder: Did you get my question from last night? |
| 09:26:46 | B4gder | no |
| 09:27:28 | amiconn | log 00:40 |
| 09:27:37 | * | B4gder goes to check |
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| 09:29:15 | B4gder | you think there's any risk in doing it unconditonally for all binutils 2.17 builds? |
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| 09:32:36 | Zagor | if you haven't seen, we need to fix the build for ubuntu 8.10 as well |
| 09:32:53 | B4gder | rockboxdev ? |
| 09:32:59 | B4gder | or what build do you mean? |
| 09:33:03 | Zagor | yes |
| 09:33:19 | B4gder | they probably use gcc 4.3 |
| 09:33:29 | Zagor | ubunty has enabled -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2, which our old gcc version barfs on |
| 09:33:40 | B4gder | uh |
| 09:33:45 | Zagor | so either we run with CPPFLAGS=-U_FORTIFY_SOURCE or we fix the errors with a patch |
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| 09:35:06 | * | B4gder reads FS #9467 |
| 09:35:51 | B4gder | anyone knows anything about the "firmware/target/arm/crt0.S" he adds? |
| 09:35:57 | B4gder | (funman being "he") |
| 09:36:58 | linuxstb | B4gder: No, but there does seem to be too much copy/paste going on with all the ARM ports in general.... The crt0.S files could perhaps be specific to the ARM architecture. |
| 09:36:58 | B4gder | it seems to be added for the as3525 case only so I don't see why it's not put in the 3525 directory |
| 09:37:07 | B4gder | yes |
| 09:37:13 | B4gder | possibly that's what he wants |
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| 09:43:47 | B4gder | Zagor: so -U sounds like the quicker fix... |
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| 09:44:09 | B4gder | is it the gcc build that fails? |
| 09:44:28 | Zagor | yes |
| 09:44:53 | Zagor | -U leaves warnings for the problems but at least it completes |
| 09:45:20 | Zagor | the problem is open(O_CREAT) without use of a 'mode' argument |
| 09:46:19 | B4gder | so it would be a rather easy patch too then? |
| 09:46:51 | Zagor | probably, yes. I haven't looked into it, but it sounds pretty straight-forward. |
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| 10:31:29 | amiconn | B4gder: The 'risk' is that an actually bad gcc wouldn't fail to build binutils then. It's not very likely to encounter that though, except with the (known broken) gcc 4.2.0 for Interix |
| 10:37:39 | B4gder | but then of course identifying a native gcc 4.3 isn't that hard, we already have code in configure that does this |
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| 11:05:54 | J-23 | Did anybody try to hack e200v2 LCD screen? |
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| 11:09:27 | blkhawk | J-23: i hope so - I have a v2 :) |
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| 11:18:38 | numbertron | is there a way to make mods not show up in the database? |
| 11:18:46 | numbertron | seeing as they can't be tagged |
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| 11:25:03 | pixelma | numbertron: yes, search for database.ignore in the manual |
| 11:26:42 | numbertron | oh hey, that makes that easy considering my mods are all in one folder anyway |
| 11:26:43 | numbertron | thanks |
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| 12:11:32 | GodEater | anyone feel like helping me out with a compile problem? I'm trying to work on #8499, but I'm banging my head against this : http://pastie.org/289314, and getting nowhere.... |
| 12:15:07 | Zagor | that's a lot of errors |
| 12:15:26 | * | GodEater wonders if it's something to with there being both a function prototype for read_uint16le, and a #define for it |
| 12:15:36 | GodEater | Zagor: I know, but it's less than when I started ;) |
| 12:15:54 | Zagor | that sounds like it could confuse the compiler a bit, yes... |
| 12:16:37 | GodEater | the problem is, I have no idea why it's done that way |
| 12:16:57 | Zagor | I don't see a patch in #8499 |
| 12:16:58 | GodEater | and clearly it compiles ok when you're doing an actual build |
| 12:17:09 | GodEater | Zagor: there isn't one, but I can post what I have if you want ? |
| 12:17:32 | GodEater | it's just changes to the Makefile in tools |
| 12:17:44 | Zagor | ah, now I read the description :) |
| 12:17:53 | Zagor | sure, let me have a look |
| 12:19:36 | GodEater | http://pastie.org/289323 |
| 12:19:48 | GodEater | I won't bother attaching it to the ticket until I can at least get it to compile |
| 12:20:24 | GodEater | although since that's the point of the exercise, perhaps I should |
| 12:20:26 | GodEater | =/ |
| 12:21:05 | GodEater | but those CFLAG changes should probably go in another variable, since they shouldn't apply to everything in there, so it needs work |
| 12:23:05 | * | GodEater runs to the bathroom quickly |
| 12:27:32 | Zagor | who defines the __PCTOOL__ define? |
| 12:27:48 | Zagor | ah, found it |
| 12:33:10 | Zagor | those defines certainly do look odd |
| 12:33:38 | GodEater | linuxstb's work if the file header is to be believed |
| 12:33:56 | GodEater | and since he's much cleverer than me, I suspect there's a good reason for them |
| 12:33:58 | Zagor | annotate is your friend :) |
| 12:34:08 | GodEater | it would be if I had svn access |
| 12:34:10 | GodEater | but I don't |
| 12:34:15 | GodEater | making do with the source tarball |
| 12:34:17 | Zagor | http://svn.rockbox.org |
| 12:34:35 | GodEater | will try it |
| 12:34:43 | Zagor | http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/metadata/metadata_common.h?annotate=17847 to be specific |
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| 12:36:14 | GodEater | yep, that looks like linuxstb ;) |
| 12:36:29 | Zagor | indeed |
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| 12:37:51 | GodEater | I don't understand how it works though :( |
| 12:39:32 | Zagor | it sure looks confused |
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| 12:42:07 | Zagor | the memcmp warning is fixed by adding #include <memory.h> btw |
| 12:42:33 | GodEater | cool |
| 12:42:49 | Zagor | and (void)argc; (void)argv; gets rid of the database.c warnings |
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| 12:47:51 | Zagor | nah, not confusing at all. you're simply lacking an endian define, so it takes whatever is on the other side of #ifdef. |
| 12:48:05 | Zagor | add -D ROCKBOX_LITTLE_ENDIAN to Makefile |
| 12:48:11 | Zagor | (for now) |
| 12:50:10 | Zagor | and -D CONFIG_CODEC=SWCODEC |
| 12:51:40 | Zagor | and you probably want to use uisimulator/sdl/thread-sdl.c instead of firmware/thread.c |
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| 12:53:33 | linuxstb | Slasheri was responsible for the database tool and (I'm 99% sure) introducing the __PCTOOL__ define.... |
| 12:54:07 | linuxstb | I may have added more __PCTOOL__ defines when I wrote checkwps |
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| 12:57:36 | * | linuxstb remembers thinking that the Rockbox database code (and other things) are too tightly integrated into Rockbox, with no clear abstraction - and that makes things like checkwps and the standalone database tool hard to do nicely. |
| 12:58:29 | Zagor | it sure looks like it |
| 12:59:50 | Zagor | I can't see why the pc tool would have to use our threading code, io code etc |
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| 13:00:31 | linuxstb | I think apps/ has just grown too large, and every part is dependent on every other part.... |
| 13:00:32 | Zagor | cleaning that up is probably the better way to proceed, rather than trying to shoehorn the current code through the compiler |
| 13:00:51 | * | linuxstb agrees |
| 13:01:06 | B4gder | in general such cleanups also helps the general readability |
| 13:02:30 | linuxstb | Just thinking aloud, maybe we could have something like apps/libs/ which contains things like the database code, WPS parser etc, designed from day one to be built independently. |
| 13:02:42 | B4gder | that would be great |
| 13:02:54 | Zagor | linuxstb: I was just thinking of a libs/ dir too |
| 13:02:55 | * | linuxstb hopes our friend Mr Someone has some free time |
| 13:03:05 | B4gder | Mr someone is great! |
| 13:04:03 | Zagor | metadata/ is practically a lib already, if it weren't for id3/mp3 being embedded so deeply in other code |
| 13:05:32 | Zagor | the id3 code needs to be split into "metadata" and actual "id3" code |
| 13:06:36 | Zagor | how hard can it be? ;) |
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| 13:17:40 | amiconn | Zagor: Splitting out the id3 requires both playback engines in apps/ |
| 13:17:50 | amiconn | *id3 code |
| 13:21:48 | Zagor | why? |
| 13:23:29 | amiconn | Well, unless you put the lib into firmware/, but imho that'd be the wrong place |
| 13:23:48 | B4gder | Zagor: on hwcoded the mp3 playback is still in firmware |
| 13:23:56 | B4gder | hwcodec |
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| 13:28:43 | * | GodEater now gives up - I can't make panic.c compile for the PC |
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| 14:11:57 | linuxstb | amiconn: I once looked at moving the hwcodec id3 handling into apps/, and it didn't look impossible to do whilst still leaving the low-level MAS stuff in firmware. What do you think prevents it? |
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| 14:21:22 | Zagor | I just compiled recorder with mpeg.c in apps. only a single line, #include dac.h, had to be fixed. |
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| 14:27:11 | Zagor | having things like mas_codec_writereg() in apps isn't ideal, but those can always be moved/abstracted if we want to |
| 14:31:04 | LinusN | Zagor: most of the work to move mpeg.c to apps is already done |
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| 14:31:22 | Zagor | LinusN: apparently. it just slotted into place without problems. |
| 14:31:35 | Zagor | same with id3.c and replaygain.c |
| 14:31:45 | LinusN | the audio api was the biggest deal |
| 14:32:03 | Zagor | those 3 are the only files in firmware/ that uses the mp3entry struct |
| 14:32:29 | Zagor | so with those moved we would be free to split id3 and metadata handling |
| 14:34:05 | linuxstb | So, commit the move of those files, and then take it from there? |
| 14:35:19 | amiconn | Hrmm, mas_codec_writereg() in apps... |
| 14:35:59 | Zagor | amiconn: we can abstract it off to mas.c, but to what gain? |
| 14:39:22 | Zagor | I'll commit this now. we can put lipstick on it later if we want... |
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| 14:41:43 | LinusN | Zagor: have you built all mas targets? |
| 14:42:00 | LinusN | including sim? |
| 14:42:14 | Zagor | no, just recorder. I'll test the others too first |
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| 14:58:30 | markun | Zagor: nice work. I'll try to add support for itunes gapless MP3 later. |
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| 15:32:22 | funman | dan_a did it in r10830 |
| 15:33:22 | funman | and aliaskremoved it in r15965 , for the Gigabeast: Moved crt0.S to imx31 subdirectory, as it was the last target using the unified file. |
| 15:34:58 | Bagder | we should move as many as possible to the unified one imho |
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| 15:55:32 | pondlife | Do we have anything written down which determines where the /firmware and .apps split should occur? |
| 15:56:10 | pondlife | I'm wondering if a nice layer/block diagram would be useful. |
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| 16:05:30 | Zagor | pondlife: afaik no |
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| 16:17:25 | faemir | Anyone know why when I start my ipod up rockbox says database is not ready? (despite all my music being in it) |
| 16:18:20 | pondlife | Another silly question: why do we have yield() and sleep(0) ? I'd imagine both should do the same thing, although sleep(0) stands a better chance of putting the CPU into sleep mode. |
| 16:19:04 | pondlife | i.e. what's the advantage of yield() over sleep(0)? |
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| 16:19:21 | Llorean | faemir: "in it" in what way? |
| 16:19:50 | faemir | when I go on database in the root menu all that is on my ipod is there. |
| 16:19:58 | faemir | plus it's set to autoupdate etc |
| 16:20:03 | evilnick | faemir: have you restarted by holding Play or by holding centre and Menu? |
| 16:20:07 | pondlife | I particularly like the "yield(); yield(); yield();" line in recording.c ;) |
| 16:20:08 | * | domonoky would think yield() does "nothing" if there is no other thread ready. sleep(0) always sleeps atleast to the end of the tick |
| 16:20:17 | Llorean | faemir: What *exactly* does it say, then, about the database not being ready (and in what screen)? |
| 16:20:40 | faemir | exact phrase: database is not ready |
| 16:20:43 | faemir | and when I boot it up |
| 16:20:47 | faemir | after the rockbox screen |
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| 16:20:49 | pondlife | domonoky: I'd think so too, but it's sometimes hard to know which to use. |
| 16:20:50 | faemir | before I can control it |
| 16:20:53 | faemir | at the root menu |
| 16:21:03 | Llorean | faemir: Without pressing any buttons? |
| 16:21:09 | Llorean | What do you have the resume screen set to? |
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| 16:21:34 | faemir | resume screen? You mean when I turn it on? It's the root menu (files, database etc) |
| 16:21:58 | Llorean | faemir: Please, answer my questions in the order asked, since I do need to know everything I've asked to try to help you. |
| 16:22:15 | faemir | I missed the other question sorry |
| 16:22:17 | w3ccv | I'm trying to install rockBox on an iPod Classic 120GB - the currenty available one. any secrets, the installer does not recognize it. |
| 16:22:17 | Llorean | faemir: As to that, I want to know what the setting for the start up screen is set to, not what screen you actually end up in. |
| 16:22:17 | faemir | holding play |
| 16:22:26 | Llorean | Why are you holding play on startup? |
| 16:22:37 | evilnick | w3ccv: It is not supported. |
| 16:22:39 | faemir | I'm not |
| 16:22:40 | domonoky | w3ccv: see the frontpage, rockbox does not run on the classic |
| 16:22:42 | faemir | that's the shut it down |
| 16:22:46 | faemir | then pressing menu to start it up |
| 16:22:47 | Zagor | pondlife: that's a good question. i like the expressionist aspect of triple yields though :-) |
| 16:22:53 | pondlife | hehe |
| 16:23:09 | faemir | start screen is set to database |
| 16:23:31 | Llorean | faemir: That sounds like the problem then. If you can get to the database *after* it boots up, it's trying to go into the database before it's ready during boot. |
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| 16:23:40 | Llorean | faemir: I'd recommend filing a bug report on this,. |
| 16:23:40 | Zagor | reminds me of the old battleship vs. lighthouse joke |
| 16:23:52 | faemir | Llorean: odd, I just changed it to main menu and it's not saying it anymore O_o |
| 16:23:54 | Dementio | real quick faemir |
| 16:24:03 | Dementio | question Llorean |
| 16:24:06 | Llorean | faemir: Obviously it won't say it any more... it's not trying to go in there too early now... |
| 16:24:14 | faemir | :P |
| 16:24:27 | Dementio | is shutting down via holsing play and restarting via menu+select the same after db initialize? |
| 16:24:31 | faemir | Okay, well I wanted it to go to the main menu anyway, dunno why it wasn't set |
| 16:24:35 | Dementio | *holding |
| 16:24:38 | Llorean | Dementio: You don't need to hold menu+select. |
| 16:24:43 | Dementio | just asking |
| 16:24:45 | Llorean | faemir: Please, file a bug report. |
| 16:24:45 | gevaerts | I think it's a bug. Either it should work or Database shouldn't be an option |
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| 16:24:49 | Dementio | i just do that out of habit |
| 16:24:49 | Dementio | lol |
| 16:24:59 | Llorean | Dementio: It's already off, so holding menu+select won't affect anything Rockbox cares about |
| 16:25:02 | faemir | Llorean: okay |
| 16:25:12 | n1s | Dementio: menu+select is a hard reset |
| 16:25:17 | faemir | Another question: is it possible to shutdown then start up without it showing the apple logo, instead to just go straight back to how it was? |
| 16:25:42 | linuxstb | faemir: No |
| 16:25:44 | Llorean | faemir: The Apple Logo is in flash, we can't bypass it without replacing the flash data. |
| 16:25:45 | n1s | Dementio: if rockbox tells you to reboot, press play to shut down |
| 16:26:01 | Dementio | i know, what i mean is, after you initialize the database, and it says to restart, is shutting down by holding down the play button good? |
| 16:26:04 | Llorean | n1s: He's pressing play to shut down. He's just holding Menu+Select to wake it back up for some raeson. |
| 16:26:06 | Dementio | ah |
| 16:26:07 | Dementio | ok |
| 16:26:09 | faemir | Okay, thanks. |
| 16:26:35 | Llorean | Dementio: At least, I THOUGHT you were holding down play and then holding menu+select. |
| 16:26:43 | Dementio | sorry |
| 16:26:50 | n1s | Llorean: ah, i read the question as asking if shutting down is the same as resetting |
| 16:26:51 | * | Llorean read it as an additive and, rather than an "as opposed to" and. |
| 16:26:53 | Dementio | bee drinking a little |
| 16:26:54 | Dementio | lol |
| 16:26:57 | Llorean | I think I misunderstood actually |
| 16:27:08 | Dementio | mk |
| 16:27:57 | Dementio | i prolly coulda typed it a little clearer |
| 16:30:48 | Dementio | anyone happen to have a linux script to rescale an image to 100x100 and convert to bmp? |
| 16:30:53 | Dementio | this is getting monotonous |
| 16:31:38 | faemir | Llorean: done. |
| 16:32:33 | BigBambi | Dementio: I'm pretty sure there is one on the wiki |
| 16:32:40 | Dementio | dur |
| 16:32:41 | BigBambi | On the ALbumArt page believe it or not |
| 16:32:41 | Dementio | thanks |
| 16:32:45 | Dementio | lol |
| 16:32:57 | Dementio | sad part is, i saw that when i was at work |
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| 16:46:08 | dfego | I've been poking around for information on why some of my mp4 files won't play, and I've figured out that they're at least nominally different (one is "version 1" and the other is "iTunes AAC-LC"). Has anyone hit this before? I previously assumed they were the same, but the former won't play in Rockbox. |
| 16:46:48 | fluteflute | Hello! Please can I have write permissions to the wiki (as user 'fluteflute'). Thanks! |
| 16:46:55 | Llorean | dfego: "MP4" isn't a specific type of audio. it's just a container. Imagine it like the computer equivalent of a plastic bag, you can put all kinds of stuff in it. |
| 16:47:08 | Llorean | fluteflute: You might want to re-read the guidelines for wiki accounts. |
| 16:47:15 | LambdaCalculus37 | fluteflute: No, you have to register using your real name on the wiki. |
| 16:47:31 | fluteflute | sorry, I did use GregAuger |
| 16:47:32 | dfego | Llorean: I've been learning about that recently. They're both showing up as MPEG v4 files, with the version and itunes bit being in addition |
| 16:47:47 | dfego | With the Linux "file" command, is where I'm seeing this. |
| 16:47:57 | fluteflute | I use fluteflute normally so I typed that here my mistake :p |
| 16:48:05 | Llorean | dfego: Well, 'iTunes AAC-LC' suggests that the data in it is AAC-LC audio, which we support |
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| 16:48:26 | Llorean | I suspect 'version 1' is describing the MP4 itself, and not what's in it, so you need to figure out what it really contains. |
| 16:49:42 | dfego | Llorean: Well I ripped it myself from a high-quality youtube video. ffmpeg pegs it as "mpeg4aac" |
| 16:51:02 | Llorean | dfego: AAC has many profiles (such as the previously mentioned LC). |
| 16:51:48 | fluteflute | Llorean/Lambdumb: is the GregAuger account acceptable? |
| 16:52:41 | dfego | Llorean: So it's probably a fair guess I need to read up on my audio codecs a bit further. And then convert to a non-mpeg4 format once I determine it won't work :-P |
| 16:52:50 | Llorean | fluteflute: Done. Please do not spam. |
| 16:52:56 | LambdaCalculus37 | fluteflute: Oi oi, I'm LambdaCalculus37, not Lambdumb! |
| 16:53:30 | Llorean | dfego: Well, we support AAC-LC and AAC-HE but HE is unlikely to work consistently on all players (it's much more computationally complex) |
| 16:53:36 | fluteflute | Thank you. Sorry LambdaCalculus37! |
| 16:53:47 | Llorean | dfego: The other thing is that the MP4 could just be tagged in a bad way. You could ask foobart to optimize the MP4 layout. |
| 16:54:53 | dfego | Llorean: I read about that just a little while ago. Wasn't sure if that was the particular issue. I suppose I can muck with it. foobar is a Windows-only program though, correct? |
| 16:55:31 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 16:55:45 | Llorean | It may be possible to run it in WINE. |
| 16:56:14 | dfego | Are you aware if the necessary functionality is available in another program? Or is this a particularly unique thing to foobar? |
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| 16:56:35 | Llorean | Not aware of anything else that has an explicit function for it. |
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| 16:57:34 | Llorean | I've read of something called mp4box that can probably do something similar but may require some tinkering. All I know is it's a tool for working with MP4 containers, and I can't imagine it not offering *some* way to prepare/optimize for streaming |
| 16:58:53 | dfego | Thank you very much for the tips! I'm surely on the right path now. |
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| 17:05:16 | n1s | Llorean: could you test the FS #9369 bootloader (a bit down in the comments) on your nano? |
| 17:05:48 | Llorean | n1s: Sure, lemme go get it. Anything specific to look for, or just "does it boot?" |
| 17:06:25 | n1s | well, ideally boot rockbox/OF and usb detection nothing special |
| 17:06:37 | Llorean | Does the iPod bootloader *do* USB detection now? |
| 17:06:52 | n1s | I though so, maybe they don't... |
| 17:07:25 | Llorean | Didn't in the past, at least |
| 17:07:35 | LambdaCalculus37 | n1s: Let me try with my video and color iPods. |
| 17:08:06 | n1s | probably me confusing them with something else then |
| 17:08:08 | GodEater | Booting with USB plugged in on my ipods has always ended up with a hung Rockbox interface |
| 17:08:28 | n1s | GodEater: oh, nice |
| 17:09:06 | GodEater | That's a 2.0 bootloader currently (with no apparent USB code in the bootloader itself afaict) |
| 17:09:18 | LambdaCalculus37 | n1s: New hardware appeared in XP: "Rockbox Media Player"; my iPod color was detected. |
| 17:09:30 | Llorean | n1s: Bootloader does everything normal for me.\ |
| 17:09:30 | LambdaCalculus37 | n1s: These new ones are 3.0, right? |
| 17:09:48 | n1s | Llorean: great, thanks! |
| 17:09:49 | LambdaCalculus37 | Never mind... interface hung. |
| 17:09:52 | webguest68 | did anyone meet with error: "I03: AddrErr at 003F2BC4" on iRiver H3x0? i flashed friend's "usa" h340 with rockbox and get this message when tried to boot in rockbox, on my "eu" H340 with the same firmware - no problems |
| 17:10:02 | n1s | LambdaCalculus37: yes, 3.0' |
| 17:10:18 | Llorean | GodEater: My nano is perfectly happy with USB plugged in while it's off. Boots into Rockbox then reboots into disk mode (or if Hold is on, boots straight into Apple OS) |
| 17:10:21 | * | LambdaCalculus37 resets his iPod and lets it boot to the OF |
| 17:10:59 | LambdaCalculus37 | Llorean: My color hung at the main menu. |
| 17:11:42 | * | GodEater is willing to try it again now to check |
| 17:11:53 | n1s | Bagder: I think we can put the new ipod bootloaders on download.rockbox.org now, can you grab them from FS #9369 (a bit down in the comments) or should i send a zip somewhere? |
| 17:11:59 | Llorean | LambdaCalculus37: I have technology problems. Things just *work* around me a lot, even when they shouldn't. Makes reproducing bugs a bit hard. |
| 17:12:16 | Llorean | n1s: A version of iPodPatcher should be compiled with them built in before we put them up. |
| 17:12:19 | LambdaCalculus37 | Llorean: :) |
| 17:12:46 | Llorean | Don't want to be offering two different versions of the bootloader depending on how you choose to install Rockbox. |
| 17:12:49 | n1s | Llorean: ok, I can do a linux build, what others do we need? |
| 17:12:54 | GodEater | with my current Rockbox build, which includes our usb stack, I get no hang during boot |
| 17:12:56 | LambdaCalculus37 | n1s: Windows and Mac OS X. |
| 17:13:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | GodEater: Mine was a regular SVN build without the USB stack. I should roll one with the USB stack enabled, then. |
| 17:13:55 | * | n1s wants volunteers to build for windows and osx then |
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| 17:19:20 | LambdaCalculus37 | n1s: I can build ipodpatch for OS X. |
| 17:19:30 | LambdaCalculus37 | *ipodpatcher |
| 17:20:11 | n1s | LambdaCalculus37: great, we should probably attach them to the task so bagder can grab everything from one place when he has time |
| 17:20:21 | LambdaCalculus37 | n1s: No problem. |
| 17:20:55 | LambdaCalculus37 | n1s: Just a quick refresher... ipodpatcher is built by invoking "make tools", or is the command different? |
| 17:22:13 | n1s | http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/rbutil/ipodpatcher/Makefile?revision=18364&view=markup |
| 17:23:48 | * | n1s guesses a 'make' in the ipodpatcher dir... |
| 17:24:24 | LambdaCalculus37 | n1s: And we have to make a universal binary. |
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| 17:24:53 | n1s | i'd guess so but i have absolutely no idea about osx stuff |
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| 17:25:05 | Llorean | LambdaCalculus37: And it needs to have the .ipod files there to compile them in |
| 17:26:20 | LambdaCalculus37 | Llorean: Understood. |
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| 17:29:12 | n1s | LambdaCalculus37: hold on, need to update a version string in ipodpatcher too |
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| 17:30:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | n1s: Okay. |
| 17:30:52 | n1s | change main.c:34 to v3.0 bootloaders |
| 17:31:17 | LambdaCalculus37 | n1s: Okay, will do. |
| 17:31:45 | * | LambdaCalculus37 has to wait about an hour before he can do anything, but should be able to get this done |
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| 17:32:41 | LambdaCalculus37 | I require the assistance and advice of the RBUtil maestros on building universal binaries in OS X. |
| 17:33:47 | * | LambdaCalculus37 summons domonoky |
| 17:33:59 | * | domonoky waves |
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| 17:34:11 | LambdaCalculus37 | Yay, my summon spell worked. :) |
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| 17:34:17 | domonoky | :-) |
| 17:34:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | domonoky: Do you know how to build a universal binary in OS X? I'm going to make a new build of ipodpatcher but don't want a PPC-only version. |
| 17:35:04 | domonoky | to build universal binarys, you need universal libs, and then just build rbutil, and run the macos_deploy script.. |
| 17:35:29 | domonoky | ah, a universal ipodpatcher, hm.. |
| 17:37:27 | domonoky | it seems the ipodpatcher Makefile is already setup to build universal ipodpatchers with the ipodpatcher-mac target |
| 17:37:38 | LambdaCalculus37 | Perfect! |
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| 17:38:27 | LambdaCalculus37 | n1s: I'll get to making the new ipodpatcher on my lunch break, and I'll post it to the tracker. |
| 17:38:42 | n1s | LambdaCalculus37: good :) |
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| 17:38:55 | n1s | now we just need a win version then... |
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| 17:39:58 | funman | he's already doing Something |
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| 17:43:36 | gevaerts | Does mingw work for ipodpatcher? |
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| 17:45:25 | linuxstb | gevaerts: Yes, it should. I think the previous win32 binaries were (cross-)compiled that way. |
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| 17:45:49 | gevaerts | In that case, I can try building it |
| 17:45:52 | linuxstb | The Makefile should handle it already if you just type "make ipodpatcher.exe" in Linux |
| 17:46:10 | gevaerts | ipodpatcher from trunk or from v3.0? |
| 17:47:43 | linuxstb | It should be tagged as "ipodpatcher_3_0" (or similar - see earlier tags) |
| 17:47:49 | linuxstb | But from trunk IMO. |
| 17:48:06 | LambdaCalculus37 | linuxstb: Will do. |
| 17:48:09 | linuxstb | (it's a co-incidence we're releasing ipodpatcher 3.0 at a similar time to Rockbox 3.0) |
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| 17:51:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | n1s: Should I post the OS X version packed into a .dmg file, as was done before? |
| 17:51:53 | funman | the both are in the same source repository, but released independantly ? |
| 17:52:31 | gevaerts | Actually, is it ipodpatcher 2.0 with 3.0 bootloaders, or 3.0 all the way? |
| 17:52:49 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: 3.0 all the way/ |
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| 17:53:46 | gevaerts | OK. Added. Can someone who actually has windows and an ipod test it? |
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| 17:56:25 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: It launches, but I can't do anything with it because I have no admin rights on my work PC. |
| 17:56:50 | gevaerts | LambdaCalculus37: I actually did the "it launches" test with wine :) |
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| 18:06:33 | Horscht | hab mal ne Frage zu DVDs: Ich hab einen VIDEO_TS Ordner mit (ungeschützten) VOB IFO und BUP Dateien |
| 18:06:59 | * | gevaerts looks at Horscht |
| 18:07:10 | Horscht | goddamnit |
| 18:07:13 | Horscht | wrong channel |
| 18:07:14 | Horscht | sorry |
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| 18:15:24 | n1s | linuxstb: should i commit an update to the ipodpatcher version string and tag it in svn? |
| 18:16:10 | linuxstb | n1s: Yes, that's what I've normally done. You should also tag whatever revision you used for the bootloaders. I've done these together in the past, but I guess now we'll need two tags. |
| 18:16:56 | gevaerts | You could branch... |
| 18:16:59 | linuxstb | I've also put a copy of all the .ipod files on the download server in a single zip "bootloaders.zip" in the past, but looking at the download server now, it doesn't seem to be there... |
| 18:17:12 | n1s | linuxstb: since ipodpatcher hasn't changed since before the branch we _could_ tag the same revision which would be on the branch then |
| 18:17:31 | linuxstb | That won't have the version string change though. |
| 18:17:57 | linuxstb | Or am I confused? What branch are you talking about? |
| 18:18:05 | pondlife | I've not read all of the logs, but I assume there's been no progress on the H300 bootloader? (i.e. petur's hard disk issue) |
| 18:18:26 | n1s | i could update the string and then tag on the branch as that won't affect bootloaders or is that considered cheating? |
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| 18:19:52 | linuxstb | What branch? I was assuming the bootloaders and ipodpatcher would just be tagged from trunk, as they've always been. |
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| 18:21:48 | n1s | linuxstb: the bootloaders were built from the release branch |
| 18:22:10 | * | n1s sees no ipodpatcher or ipod bootloader tags in http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/tags/ and is confused |
| 18:22:30 | linuxstb | "bootloader_ipods_v2" |
| 18:22:58 | n1s | linuxstb: as the plan was to release them together with the release, ah missed that, i thought there would be more |
| 18:23:13 | linuxstb | Seems we only remembered once.... |
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| 18:24:31 | linuxstb | Then I guess it would make sense to commit the ipodpatcher version number bump in both the release branch and trunk, and tag the release branch version as "bootloader_ipods_v3" |
| 18:24:51 | n1s | linuxstb: seems sensible, I'll do that |
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| 18:26:40 | * | linuxstb spots this file - http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/bootloaders-info - and wonders if it needs updating |
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| 18:30:53 | n1s | would "svn copy svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/tags/bootloader_ipods_v3 -m "Tag for v3.0 release of ipod bootloaders and ipodpatcher"" be the correct way to do this? |
| 18:31:19 | linuxstb | That would tag the trunk version IIUC |
| 18:32:33 | linuxstb | So maybe replace "trunk" in the first URL with "branches/v3_0" |
| 18:32:40 | n1s | ah, right |
| 18:33:05 | n1s | good thing I asked first :) |
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| 18:36:21 | linuxstb | Has anyone built a 64-bit linux version of ipodpatcher? |
| 18:36:57 | n1s | linuxstb: nope, I could do it but the 32 bit version should work just fine IIUC (it runs ok here at least) |
| 18:37:15 | n1s | but maybe you need some 32 bit libs for that |
| 18:37:34 | linuxstb | That's assuming it still works OK on 64-bit... |
| 18:38:22 | n1s | i don't have an ipod to test with unfortunately i did a successful install with 32 bit sansapatcher from a 64 bit host once though |
| 18:39:26 | n1s | should I build a 64 bit version too? I can't test it more than seeing if it runs though |
| 18:40:11 | LambdaCalculus37 | n1s: Sure, go for it. |
| 18:40:30 | linuxstb | It would be nice to release one (after it's been tested), but it probably shouldn't hold you back from releasing the other binaries. |
| 18:42:37 | n1s | seems to run at least so i'll add it to the task |
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| 18:45:47 | n1s | linuxstb: could you perhaps test the 32 bit version? |
| 18:46:04 | linuxstb | Not at the moment - I'm at work, and my ipods are not. |
| 18:46:20 | LambdaCalculus37 | n1s: I'm build ipodpatcher for OS X now. |
| 18:46:25 | LambdaCalculus37 | s/build/building |
| 18:51:15 | LambdaCalculus37 | Hmmm.... |
| 18:51:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | iPodpatcher sees my iPod, all right... but it's not asking me if I'd like to install the bootloader. |
| 18:52:24 | n1s | LambdaCalculus37: did you edit the makefile and put the bootloaders in the source dir? |
| 18:52:47 | LambdaCalculus37 | n1s: The bootloaders are in the source dir. |
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| 18:53:05 | n1s | you need to uncomment 2 lines at the top of the makefile |
| 18:53:41 | LambdaCalculus37 | n1s: The lines that start with BOOTSRC and CFLAGS? |
| 18:53:57 | n1s | yes |
| 18:54:25 | LambdaCalculus37 | Done. |
| 18:54:41 | * | LambdaCalculus37 rebuilds |
| 18:55:05 | LambdaCalculus37 | Working now. :) |
| 18:55:11 | n1s | nice :) |
| 18:55:11 | * | LambdaCalculus37 packs it into a disk image |
| 18:56:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | The binary is 412 KB in size; a very nice reduction from the 880 KB binary I have now. :) |
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| 18:59:21 | LambdaCalculus37 | n1s: Posted. |
| 18:59:59 | n1s | LambdaCalculus37: nice :) we now only need someone to give the windows and linux versions a whirl and we're all set :) |
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| 19:00:28 | LambdaCalculus37 | n1s: Someone with an Intel Mac should also give the Mac version a whirl to make sure it works. |
| 19:00:39 | n1s | ah, yes |
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| 19:00:40 | * | LambdaCalculus37 wonders who this Someone will be :) |
| 19:04:03 | gevaerts | The linux (32) one seems to work here (mini 2nd gen CF) |
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| 19:05:33 | LambdaCalculus37 | The OS X version worked here (4G iPod color). |
| 19:06:11 | * | amiconn thinks he has built a 64bit linux ipodpatcher at some point in the past |
| 19:06:26 | amiconn | At least building ipodpatcher is easy, unlike rbutil |
| 19:06:39 | * | LambdaCalculus37 remembers seeing reference to a 64-bit ipodpatcher referenced in the manual |
| 19:06:40 | n1s | amiconn: i built one and put it in the tracker task if you want to test |
| 19:07:03 | n1s | LambdaCalculus37: there is one hosted on the download site |
| 19:07:28 | n1s | also a ppc-linux one but i wonder if anyone around here can build that? |
| 19:07:48 | LambdaCalculus37 | n1s: You can ask markun; he has an iBook G4 running Debian. |
| 19:08:01 | n1s | markun: ping? |
| 19:09:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | n1s: I think markun left already. |
| 19:09:41 | n1s | ah, i think that one can wait as it is hardly something many people uses |
| 19:12:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | True, but it would still be good to have anyway for any of those oddballs with PPC computers and iPods. :) |
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| 19:14:59 | rockboxrox | hello fellow rockbox users |
| 19:15:20 | Tuplanolla | helloes |
| 19:15:48 | rockboxrox | question for ya.... is there anyway to get rockbox to display the time on the main screen..( I use a nano) |
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| 19:16:43 | rockboxrox | or perhaps on any or everyone of the screens as I switch to diff menus... |
| 19:16:58 | rockboxrox | to constantly show the time |
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| 19:17:19 | n1s | rockboxrox: do you have the statusbar enabled? it should show the time |
| 19:17:34 | rockboxrox | no I dont.. |
| 19:17:39 | rockboxrox | but thats a good idea |
| 19:18:46 | n1s | your wps amy still disable it in the wps screen, so you will have to either use one that doesn't or edit it (or add a tag displaying the time somwhere in the wps |
| 19:19:29 | rockboxrox | I did not know about the status bar.... so many options.. its endless (almost) and I thought I had seen all the options in there.... lolz ... I guess not.... >.< |
| 19:19:52 | rockboxrox | thanks man.... |
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| 19:23:23 | Zambezi | I was about to upgrade to 3.0 now, but I read that it's problem with CF-modded iPod Mini. I have the modded bootloader with r18339. |
| 19:24:00 | n1s | Zambezi: which os are you on? |
| 19:25:06 | Zambezi | n1s: Debian on computer. Original (latest firmware) on iPod Mini with Rockbox r18339 dualboot. |
| 19:26:20 | n1s | Zambezi: then you can use a new ipodpatcher with new bootloaders from here http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9369 (the bottom of the comments) to install a bootloader that includes the CF fix (these will be released officially soon) |
| 19:26:53 | n1s | or you can continue using the one you have and just install the new rockbox version |
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| 19:31:17 | JohnW615 | hi |
| 19:31:58 | Zambezi | n1s: Can you send the link again? Cause a script covers a part of the link. |
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| 19:32:12 | n1s | Zambezi: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9369 |
| 19:32:34 | n1s | near the bottom of that page are new ipodpatchers |
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| 19:33:02 | * | amiconn points Zambezi to the fine IRC logs |
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| 19:37:05 | JohnW615 | msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER JohnW615 scwdrqfczsiq |
| 19:37:24 | n1s | JohnW615: you might want to change that password now :) |
| 19:37:27 | JohnW615 | :) |
| 19:37:29 | JohnW615 | yeah |
| 19:37:31 | JohnW615 | lol |
| 19:37:34 | Zambezi | JohnW615: Change asap! |
| 19:37:48 | LambdaCalculus37 | And use a / for commands in IRC. :) |
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| 19:39:16 | Tetracomm | :) |
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| 19:44:22 | Zambezi | n1s: The iPod-patcher won't start so I think I have to change the bootloader another time.ö |
| 19:44:55 | n1s | Zambezi: you probably need to do chmod +x on it |
| 19:45:26 | n1s | and you need to run it as root (or with sudo) for it to be able to access the ipod disk directly |
| 19:47:34 | JohnW615 | I'd like to have Wiki write access so I can upload an FM preset for my area |
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| 19:49:01 | LambdaCalculus37 | What's your name on the wiki? |
| 19:49:29 | JohnW615 | JohnWallace |
| 19:49:37 | LambdaCalculus37 | One moment and I'll add you. |
| 19:49:43 | Zambezi | n1s: Won't start now, but I upgrade Rockbox. |
| 19:49:55 | JohnW615 | ty |
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| 19:50:23 | n1s | Zambezi: can you please be a littel bit more specific, and did you download the correct one? |
| 19:50:27 | LambdaCalculus37 | Done. Promise not to spam, now. :) |
| 19:51:18 | JohnW615 | nospam - promise |
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| 19:51:34 | Zambezi | n1s: The ipodpatcher says it can't start, but the utility works. |
| 19:51:49 | JohnW615 | still waiting on my Sansa e280 to come in - so when it does I'll do the preset |
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| 19:52:02 | JohnW615 | thanks for the access |
| 19:52:09 | n1s | Zambezi: _what_ does it say and are you sure you downloaded the correct version? |
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| 19:53:20 | Zambezi | n1s: Forth from the bottom: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9369 |
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| 19:54:10 | n1s | Zambezi: ok, that is for 32 bit linux which i assume is correct, what does it say _exactly_ when it doesn't start? |
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| 19:54:56 | Zambezi | n1s: Usually nothing, then "Couldn't display" and then path to the file. |
| 19:55:34 | gevaerts | Zambezi: I don't know what exactly you're doing, but it's not anywhere near what you should be doing then |
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| 19:56:25 | Zambezi | gevaerts: I doubleclicked on the file. It worked that way with the Rockbox utility. |
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| 19:56:39 | wpyh | is anyone interested in the reordering of the Settings menu? take a look at FS #9472 ;) |
| 19:56:43 | gevaerts | Zambezi: ipodpatcher is a command line utility |
| 19:57:01 | n1s | Zambezi: did you try "chmod +x" on the ipodpatcher file? |
| 19:58:04 | Zambezi | gevaerts: Shoot. It was six weeks I used it so I apprarently forgot about it. |
| 19:59:55 | * | bluebrother wonders why there are binaries of ipodpatcher attached −− you can install any bootloader when using the correct command line options |
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| 20:00:34 | n1s | bluebrother: yes but we want to release new ipodpatchers |
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| 20:01:27 | Zambezi | And I'm distracted now which makes it hard to follow both things so the telly goes off now. |
| 20:02:30 | gevaerts | wpyh: I would add a promise to update the manual if people like the idea if I were you, or (even better) a patch to the manual as well |
| 20:03:07 | wpyh | gevaerts: good idea :) |
| 20:03:30 | wpyh | is there any other place besides the manual where menus are mentioned? |
| 20:04:25 | n1s | don't think so |
| 20:04:29 | wpyh | ok |
| 20:04:42 | n1s | btw i like you patch :) |
| 20:04:54 | wpyh | n1s: great :D |
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| 20:07:38 | gevaerts | I think I like it too, but I haven't thought very hard about it yet |
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| 20:10:35 | wpyh | :D |
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| 20:11:32 | Zambezi | n1s, gevaerts: One of the problems was I tried installing from a screen, but when I install from a "fresh" terminal, it worked. New bootloader now and latest stable Rockbox. |
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| 20:11:58 | n1s | Zambezi: ah, ok, good to hear that it worked |
| 20:13:25 | wpyh | And now I've opened FS #9473 to reorganize the Playback Settings menu |
| 20:13:26 | * | LambdaCalculus37 still needs Intel Mac users to test the ipodpatcher binary for OS X |
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| 20:14:01 | LambdaCalculus37 | It should be universal, but better safe than sorry. :) |
| 20:14:15 | n1s | it would be nice if someone with windows would try the winversion of ipodpatcher too |
| 20:14:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | n1s: I ran it, but since I have no admin rights on my work PC, I can't do anything with it. |
| 20:14:48 | LambdaCalculus37 | And gevaerts already tested it in Wine. |
| 20:14:48 | gevaerts | n1s: someone tried it |
| 20:15:07 | * | LambdaCalculus37 spots the comment in Flyspray |
| 20:15:23 | n1s | gevaerts: ah, didn't see that :) |
| 20:16:44 | wpyh | Does anyone think removing the Repeat:Shuffle option is a good idea? (I think someone said so a few days ago) Please review FS #9456 for the patch |
| 20:19:55 | J-23 | Why Euroconverter and Calendar plugins work on one player only? (Euroconverter - Archos Player, Calendar - Archos Recorder) |
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| 20:20:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | J-23: No one's bothered updating them for other players. |
| 20:21:39 | gevaerts | I've been wondering about the quickscreen. Do we really want "Show files" there? |
| 20:22:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: It is convenient to have "Show files" on the quickscreen. |
| 20:22:26 | wpyh | gevaerts: no, but what should we display there instead? |
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| 20:22:38 | gevaerts | LambdaCalculus37: it also causes lots of support questions |
| 20:23:15 | * | wpyh needs to learn how the manualis organized |
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| 20:24:23 | gevaerts | I'm pretty sure that most of the "I can't see my music" people inadvertently changed that setting via the quickscreen |
| 20:25:29 | wpyh | gevaerts: is there a specific need to have "Show Files:Playlist"? can we remove it instead? |
| 20:25:43 | gevaerts | wpyh: I can see the use of that, yes |
| 20:25:52 | wpyh | hm... |
| 20:25:57 | * | wpyh is wondering how one would use that |
| 20:26:19 | wpyh | if one needs to see only playlists, he/she can always use a directory to store them |
| 20:27:16 | gevaerts | Depends on how they are organised. |
| 20:27:25 | tkooda | if I'm going to upload my custom WPS that depends on .rockbox/icons/tango.20x16x16.bmp, .rockbox/icons/tango_viewers.20x16x16.bmp, and .rockbox/fonts/32-Terminus-Bold.fnt (provided by rockbox or some other theme? -but are CC-SA-3.0 liscensed) should I include them in my .zip? |
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| 20:36:53 | wpyh | n1s: I think if FS #9472 is accepted, then FS #9154 should be closed. |
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| 20:37:38 | n1s | wpyh: yes, that is what i meant by adding it as depending on your patch |
| 20:37:44 | wpyh | ah, ok |
| 20:38:09 | n1s | but i think we should wait at least a day for people to be able to comment on the change before committing |
| 20:38:22 | wpyh | yeah |
| 20:38:28 | wpyh | (Llorean comes to mind) |
| 20:43:44 | BigBambi | And many others |
| 20:44:11 | BigBambi | Menu organisation is always contentious (hence it doesn't happen often) |
| 20:44:47 | linuxstb | tkooda: I think you should include everything that isn't included as part of a standard Rockbox install (that includes the official set of fonts). |
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| 20:47:10 | tkooda | k, thanks. |
| 20:48:00 | tkooda | can someone please gant me Wiki write permission so I may upload my "DarkInfo-GB-20081010.zip" (with screenshot for menu, and wps screen) |
| 20:48:07 | tkooda | "ThorKooda" user |
| 20:48:17 | | Quit tarbo_ (Connection timed out) |
| 20:48:42 | BigBambi | tkooda: You need to use your real name |
| 20:48:54 | BigBambi | Unless that is |
| 20:49:01 | BigBambi | In which case sorry, and that's cool |
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| 20:49:44 | tkooda | Thor Kooda is my real name. devsec.org is a site with code I've written (for proof?) |
| 20:50:02 | BigBambi | tkooda: No, that's fine. Apologies :) |
| 20:50:05 | tkooda | np |
| 20:50:07 | BigBambi | Promise not to spam now? |
| 20:50:15 | * | tkooda promises |
| 20:50:22 | tkooda | single edit (upload) |
| 20:50:46 | BigBambi | OK, done. Have fun! |
| 20:50:49 | tkooda | thanks |
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| 20:58:29 | tkooda | when "Attach[ing] new file[s]".. do I check the "Link: Create a link to the attached file at the end of the topic." checkbox? |
| 20:58:57 | scorche|sh | for the WpsGallery?...no |
| 20:59:01 | tkooda | yes |
| 20:59:09 | tkooda | oh, that was an answer. k |
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| 21:01:55 | pixelma | eh? |
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| 21:04:28 | pixelma | scorche: do you know off the top of your head how such a link name is composed then? I would let it create the link but make sure to have the "hide <missing words here>" box checked. And then move it or edit it as a like |
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| 21:05:23 | kugel | I just see the as3525 has a sd interface |
| 21:05:30 | kugel | funman: ^ |
| 21:05:45 | funman | yes of course: the arm pl180 |
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| 21:06:09 | kugel | so the sandisk didn't add his own sd interface? |
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| 21:07:30 | kugel | funman: if yes, that'd mean we access the nand flash equally on all targets |
| 21:07:40 | kugel | sansav2 targets, that is |
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| 21:08:12 | funman | kugel: well I think they did, because the AS3525 NAND interface is not used |
| 21:09:03 | kugel | I meant that sandisk uses the sd interface of the as3525 |
| 21:09:29 | funman | on devices with SD plug, very probably |
| 21:10:05 | funman | I don't know how this is implemented in hardware, they could have put some interface chip between the NAND controller and the SD (arm pl180) controller |
| 21:11:44 | kugel | I doubt sandisk added one if the package already features it |
| 21:12:18 | kugel | They'd rather implement the flash as an on-board-sd-card, wouldn't they? |
| 21:13:23 | funman | how can they do that without adding newer hardware ? |
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| 21:14:31 | kugel | the as3525 has an sd interface... |
| 21:14:43 | kugel | why adding another one? |
| 21:15:17 | funman | ask them |
| 21:15:45 | funman | what I see in the OF is that they use the NAND base address like if it's a ARM pl180 controller |
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| 21:16:11 | funman | but in the AS3525 datasheet this base address is used with the AS3525 NAND controller |
| 21:16:27 | bertrik | so, same thing, just different name? |
| 21:16:33 | funman | no |
| 21:18:06 | funman | I think we are just confusing each other ;) |
| 21:20:01 | syn4pse | how does a patch become implemented into the codebase? |
| 21:21:14 | tkooda | is this edit I just made acceptable?: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGigabeatF#DarkInfo |
| 21:21:35 | tkooda | (regardless of weither or not you like my art. ;P ) |
| 21:21:43 | syn4pse | here is my patch, btw #8647 |
| 21:25:11 | funman | syn4pse: I guess you have to harass committers until they get interest in your patch |
| 21:26:07 | syn4pse | a good time would be in the morning in europe? |
| 21:26:20 | gevaerts | Right now is usually a good time |
| 21:26:28 | n1s | syn4pse: who likes being harrassed in the morning? ;) |
| 21:26:34 | syn4pse | i sure don't |
| 21:26:38 | syn4pse | :D |
| 21:27:16 | BigBambi | syn4pse: European evening is best |
| 21:27:19 | n1s | and people usually work during the day so afternoon/evening is usually better, that said we have devs spread over the globe :) |
| 21:27:24 | funman | but if the only way to stop people from harassing you in the morning is looking at their patch, maybe it's worth ;) |
| 21:27:35 | gevaerts | syn4pse: I'm looking at the patch now. |
| 21:27:48 | syn4pse | thanks |
| 21:28:35 | * | gevaerts also looks at docs/CONTRIBUTING to compare :) |
| 21:28:58 | syn4pse | yeah i figured i missed the documentation |
| 21:29:53 | gevaerts | I see three (possible) issues with it right now |
| 21:30:33 | gevaerts | (1) typedef struct... is against the rockbox coding style |
| 21:31:23 | gevaerts | (2) you should at least provide some text to put in the manual, or (if you know LaTeX) a full manual patch |
| 21:32:31 | syn4pse | ok |
| 21:32:33 | gevaerts | (3) It uses PLA. Someone else has to look at how it uses it to see if this will be a problem or not though. |
| 21:32:58 | syn4pse | i'm not sure what PLA is |
| 21:33:05 | BigBambi | plugin library actions |
| 21:33:26 | syn4pse | oh okay, i was trying to be forward, i don't know the preferences |
| 21:33:50 | BigBambi | Depending on the controls, they can cause issues |
| 21:33:55 | n1s | I don't know if CONTRIBUTING says anything about the style of function definitions but void\n foo\n (int bar)\n is definitely not common |
| 21:34:19 | * | gevaerts missed that :) |
| 21:34:20 | syn4pse | ok that can be changed as well |
| 21:34:21 | n1s | also c++ style comments |
| 21:34:33 | syn4pse | yeah those have to go. you mean the //? |
| 21:34:38 | n1s | yeah |
| 21:34:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | syn4pse: Comments have to be in the /* */ style. |
| 21:34:53 | syn4pse | no problem, i can clean it up. |
| 21:34:56 | BigBambi | syn4pse: See the discussion/explanation from http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20081009#10:36:40 |
| 21:35:46 | syn4pse | i'll just define the buttons for each player separately, paralleling how someone else did similar things |
| 21:36:08 | LambdaCalculus37 | Also make sure to sync it against a recent SVN as well. |
| 21:36:39 | n1s | oh and put { on an new line at the beginning of functions, I know _that_ is in the guidelines |
| 21:36:48 | syn4pse | ok |
| 21:37:08 | syn4pse | i want it to look clean |
| 21:37:10 | * | gevaerts thinks that someone should put all our comments on the tracker |
| 21:37:20 | syn4pse | fine by me |
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| 21:37:46 | gevaerts | That way they don't get lost if you don't manage to do everything during the next hour :) |
| 21:38:09 | syn4pse | hahah, i have a little typing to do |
| 21:38:17 | linuxstb | Or just link to the IRC logs... |
| 21:39:27 | pixelma | heh, weird style - plain BUTTON_* definitions for the Ipod pads and the rest pluginlib actions? |
| 21:39:49 | syn4pse | :) |
| 21:39:58 | syn4pse | yeah i'm new to this |
| 21:40:39 | syn4pse | that button section has been bugging me, since i don't own all the players, i'm not sure what buttons to assign |
| 21:40:43 | syn4pse | i only have an ipod |
| 21:41:08 | n1s | linuxstb: i i want to convert a screen to viewports, should it just declare it's own viewport call viewport_set_defaults and go on about it's buisness? also do i still need to call gui_synstatusbar_draw? |
| 21:41:15 | n1s | s/i/if/ |
| 21:41:52 | n1s | s/it's/its/g |
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| 21:42:50 | gevaerts | syn4pse: you can try the simulators |
| 21:42:54 | kugel | n1s: depends if you want the screen to be able to have variable parents |
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| 21:43:48 | n1s | kugel: as in drawing it as part of a different screen? that is not necessary, it's the playlist search results list i'm thinking about |
| 21:43:55 | kugel | in my pitchscreen work I declared a own viewport for that, calling viewport_set_defaults after |
| 21:44:26 | n1s | yes, i saw that, is this the usual way of using viewports? |
| 21:44:51 | kugel | n1s: As of now it's surely not necessary, but if custom list is ever going to be committed, all those screens converted to viewports will probably take the list viewport as a parent |
| 21:45:09 | linuxstb | n1s: I'm not really sure if there's a preferred way to use viewports yet, I don't think it's been completely thought through. |
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| 21:46:01 | kugel | n1s: Is it a normal list? Those use viewports already |
| 21:46:09 | n1s | linuxstb: so should I convert it a t all? I was going to change a couple of other things in there anyway but the change to that screen will be very minor |
| 21:46:49 | kugel | funman_: ping |
| 21:46:55 | funman_ | pong |
| 21:47:04 | kugel | funman_: does this one work now? http://pastebin.ca/1224841 |
| 21:47:08 | n1s | kugel: yes, but you need to pass a viewport to init the list and that function's comment states that you shouldn't use the default viewport for new screens so i guessed it was preferred to not use it |
| 21:47:32 | funman_ | linuxstb: did you look at the flyspray entry for the Clip ? |
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| 21:49:24 | funman_ | kugel: yes it works .. like the previous one should have worked. |
| 21:49:35 | funman_ | the issue is that pastebin adds crlf terminators, and git don't like them |
| 21:50:52 | funman_ | kugel: pushed: http://gitorious.org/projects/rockbox_sansa_v2/repos/mainline/commits/3164843b0a59ad70bd41f2aa26ec14bf48e16bf3 |
| 21:51:02 | kugel | n1s: if you pass NULL, the init function will use a created viewport |
| 21:51:29 | kugel | see apps/gui/list.c line 147 |
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| 21:53:41 | n1s | kugel: yes i know, that wasn't my question, i wondered if i should change that screen to not do this since the comment on line 125 in the same file says to "NOT" pass NULL for new screens so I thought it was preferred to not do that. |
| 21:55:44 | kugel | n1s: ah I see. But that shouldn't matter, since both are lists. I assume that comments is meant for non-lists (which will then use the list viewport if passed NULL) |
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| 21:58:33 | kugel | n1s: Ideally every screen should have a parent passed to it. But until there's some kind of possibility to make the parents costumizable, it's more or less overkill. JdGorden wanted me to not use a parent parameter for the pitchscreen, so I guess you shouldn't do that either |
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| 22:00:58 | kugel | funman_: so, now to the bootloader :) |
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| 22:14:14 | kugel | funman_: I guess I need to fix some reds before :) |
| 22:15:00 | funman_ | where ? |
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| 22:34:30 | tamahome02000 | anyone there? |
| 22:34:58 | funman | tamahome02000: approximately 150 nicks - what was your question ? |
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| 22:36:30 | pixelma | 28 seconds... is that a new record? |
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| 22:37:57 | * | LambdaCalculus37 would like to commit FS #6800, any objections? |
| 22:43:41 | * | bertrik builds to test it |
| 22:43:59 | pixelma | I believe amiconn had some and I personally could live very well without it (but that applies to other things as well probably) |
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| 22:45:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | amiconn: What were your objections to FS #6800? |
| 22:46:50 | bertrik | when switching from backlight timer from off to on, the backlight comes on but there's nothing on the screen on my c200 |
| 22:48:42 | bertrik | now I managed to make it fade out in a continuous loop: max, fade down to black, max, fade down to black, etc. |
| 22:49:32 | LambdaCalculus37 | bertrik: Since it's kugel's patch (and it works on my Gigabeast and my c200), let him know about any bugs. |
| 22:49:53 | bertrik | yes, I'll add them to the ask |
| 22:50:01 | LambdaCalculus37 | Okay. |
| 22:50:01 | bertrik | *task |
| 22:50:48 | kugel | bertrik: What problems specifically do you have? |
| 22:52:45 | bertrik | the display goes blank with the backlight on and a flashing backlight, I |
| 22:52:53 | bertrik | 'll put the details in the FS task |
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| 23:06:47 | LambdaCalculus37 | bertrik: I'll check the task later as well. |
| 23:07:01 | LambdaCalculus37 | Gotta go for now. |
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| 23:08:32 | n1s | wow! such a big speedup from such a simple optimization :) |
| 23:08:59 | bertrik | hmm? |
| 23:09:47 | n1s | in one of my testcases searching for a string that gave 30 hits in a ~3000 track playlist became 10x faster :) |
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| 23:10:44 | n1s | by avoiding 2970 useless splashes |
| 23:10:50 | bertrik | hehe |
| 23:11:43 | n1s | it is probably an even larger gain on targets with slow lcd updates |
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| 23:24:11 | amiconn | bertrik: I didn't test that patch, but does it allow setting the fade in/out times? I mean as actual times which are independent from the chosen brightness, like it's done on other targets where we do fading |
| 23:24:20 | amiconn | s/times/durations |
| 23:25:05 | amiconn | On a related matter, I'd rather want to get rid of the dreaded hardware fade-in on the beast than introduce extra fading... |
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| 23:25:32 | kugel | amiconn: you want to make it configurable? |
| 23:25:51 | amiconn | kugel: It is configurable on H1x0, ipod Video/Nano... |
| 23:25:52 | bertrik | amiconn, I don't know if fade time can be configured, AFAIK it just decrements background level by 1 every X ticks until the level is 0 |
| 23:26:17 | amiconn | So it's brightness dependent how long the fade takes? |
| 23:26:20 | kugel | It's not configurable and I don't really see a need to have it like that |
| 23:26:32 | kugel | yes |
| 23:26:55 | kugel | but it fades nicely with even a very low setting (e.g. 3 out of 12 levels on my e200) |
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| 23:27:13 | amiconn | kugel: A fade in (if at all) should be short for my taste. Everything longer than 200..300ms makes it feel sluggish to me. That's why I hate the hardware fade-in on the beast - it takes too long |
| 23:27:40 | amiconn | A fade-out, otoh, can be longer - several seconds if someone wants that. |
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| 23:28:20 | kugel | amiconn: Then give the patch a try. It waits HZ/(MAX_BRIGHTNESS_SETTING * 2) between every increment |
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| 23:29:24 | kugel | the fade in time feels shorter than the fade out time |
| 23:30:49 | amiconn | H1x0, iPod Video and Nao allow selecting fade-in times of 0 (instant-on); 100, 200, 300, 500 ms; 1s and 2s. Selectable fade-out times are 0 (instant-off); 100, 200, 300, 500ms; 1, 2, 3, 5 and 10s |
| 23:30:59 | bertrik | I think the current setting of the patch looks fine |
| 23:31:18 | amiconn | If you edit the config file manually, you can also set arbitrary intermediate values |
| 23:32:06 | amiconn | *if* I use fading (which rarely happens) I set fade-in to 200ms and fade-out to 2 or 3s |
| 23:32:50 | funman | the Clip answers to my CMD_APP (55) command with "command response received, crc check failed" |
| 23:33:00 | kugel | imho it doesn't need to be configurable (on neither target) |
| 23:33:26 | funman | it does that 2 times, and then answers each new command with "command response timeout" |
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| 23:33:37 | amiconn | And I highly doubt a fade-out time of 2 seconds would look even nearly smooth when brightness is set to 5 (which means there are only 4 intermediate steps) |
| 23:33:56 | kugel | amiconn: try it please before making more assumptions |
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| 23:34:14 | kugel | it's quite short at such a low setting, but still smooth |
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| 23:35:38 | dereine | is there any show where i can buy a new player with color screen, which supports rockbox? |
| 23:35:45 | dereine | europe would be fine |
| 23:36:12 | bertrik | funman, I only worked with SPI mode to talk to sd cards (for another project) where only a few commands actually need a crc |
| 23:36:52 | kugel | bertrik: sadly I can't repro you second issue (sad as in I can't change it back to on anymore due to off screen ;) ) |
| 23:37:01 | funman | bertrik: I don't calculate CRC, I understand that pl180 does that itself |
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| 23:37:57 | n1s | dereine: all the players rockbox supports are out of production unfortunately so you'll have a hard time finding them in shops, used seems to be the way to go |
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| 23:43:36 | pixelma | kugel: as I understand it, your way of doing the fade is different than on other targets that already have backlight fading. And I could understand if someone is against different ways of doing the same thing, maybe that's the real problem/misunderstanding here... |
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| 23:46:08 | kugel | pixelma: sure. I ,for one, didn't know that it's configurable on targets that already have that. Also, this software fade is somewhat limited, since it depends on the backlight levels for the targets (which can be rather low, e.g. 12 on a e200). And lastly, I'm not the author (rather maintainer) of the patch, and the original author didn't seem to intend to make it configurable. |
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| 23:46:50 | kugel | Of course, having targets a,b and c with configurable backlight fading but targets d,e and f not, is kinda incosistent and should be avoided |
| 23:48:57 | kugel | But I'd rather remove the configurability for the other targets. Backlight is a nice-to-have, but not so critical to give users options (which will only increase bin size more= |
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| 23:55:31 | funman | bertrik: git repository for sansav2 is git://gitorious.org/rockbox_sansa_v2/mainline.git |
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| 23:56:35 | bertrik | thanks |
| 23:57:05 | funman | you can send a PM to daniel_at on the forum to ask for write access |
| 23:57:43 | bertrik | I should probably not be trusted with write access until I'm slightly more familiar with git itself |
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| 23:58:44 | funman | are you unfamiliar like all people who have written something in this repository except me ? :P |
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