| 00:00:17 | amiconn | I'll commit this code to trunk and branch. Then I just need to adjust the rombox load address, and test flashing a new rombox |
| 00:00:35 | amiconn | If this also works, it needs to go into the branch as well, and then I'd like that 3.0.1 ... |
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| 00:36:28 | DogBoy | is there a document describing how to do mp3gain that works with rockbox |
| 00:37:14 | linuxstb | Do you mean ReplayGain ? |
| 00:37:38 | DogBoy | lol |
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| 00:38:31 | DogBoy | if I had something to read about how to get it to work with rockbox I would then know what I meant |
| 00:39:19 | DogBoy | currently I do not know what I mean other than to want to adjust the volume somehow without re-encoding |
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| 00:40:42 | linuxstb | mp3gain actually modifies your mp3 files to change the volume (not re-encoding, but it does modify them). ReplayGain will write information to the tags in your file, and then Rockbox will do the volume adjustment during playback. |
| 00:41:08 | DogBoy | yea well |
| 00:41:16 | DogBoy | none of that has worked for me yet |
| 00:41:24 | DogBoy | with rockbox |
| 00:42:36 | linuxstb | The Rockbox manual should describe how to use ReplayGain. As for adding ReplayGain information to your files, I hear that foobar2k does the job. |
| 00:42:50 | DogBoy | yea I heard that too |
| 00:43:05 | DogBoy | but it didn't make any difference when played back with rockbox |
| 00:44:06 | linuxstb | Did you read the replaygain section of the Rockbox manual? |
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| 00:44:22 | DogBoy | which is where |
| 00:44:44 | linuxstb | The manual is linked from the Rockbox home page, and you can search the PDF in your PDF reader... |
| 00:48:06 | DogBoy | enabling it worked |
| 00:48:17 | DogBoy | I guess the foobar thing did work |
| 00:48:27 | DogBoy | it seems odd to have to enable this feature |
| 00:48:51 | * | amiconn curses the dependency mess |
| 00:48:53 | saratoga | it could probably be enabled by default since its harmless if off |
| 00:49:05 | saratoga | sorry harmless if no RG is available |
| 00:49:11 | amiconn | saratoga: It drops the volume |
| 00:49:12 | DogBoy | exactly |
| 00:49:28 | DogBoy | amiconn, say what |
| 00:50:35 | amiconn | And afaik it costs a little extra processing power, even if the track has no RG info |
| 00:53:06 | saratoga | amiconn: if the volume changes without a tag, thats probably a bug |
| 00:53:13 | saratoga | or at least something that should be fixed |
| 00:53:17 | amiconn | No, it's a necessary evil |
| 00:54:01 | amiconn | You need to make a little room for a final RG > 0 |
| 00:54:07 | saratoga | to keep unscanned files from suddenly being much louder? |
| 00:54:42 | amiconn | No, to be able to make RG work at all for files quieter than a standard track |
| 00:55:12 | saratoga | why is head room needed? replaygain shouldn't be able to get louder then 1 regardless |
| 00:55:18 | amiconn | Actually both, probably |
| 00:55:48 | amiconn | It equalises perceived loudness, not peak level |
| 00:56:20 | saratoga | you're refering to the case of a peak normalized track with a very low volume? |
| 00:56:45 | * | amiconn doesn't remember the *exact* details, as he never uses RG |
| 00:56:55 | amiconn | It should be in the logs somewhere |
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| 00:58:43 | * | amiconn still doesn't understand why people even use RG. It does something rather unwanted for his taste |
| 00:59:07 | saratoga | in theory it is required to avoid clipping in lossy audio |
| 00:59:17 | saratoga | although in practice this depends on the type of music you listen to |
| 00:59:51 | DogBoy | what's that amiconn |
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| 01:01:31 | saratoga | additionally, its quite handy for volume equalization as well |
| 01:02:25 | amiconn | saratoga: Without RG, a track can use the full sample value range. With RG, a track that has a low perceived loudness (and hence a positive RG value) can still utilize the full sample value range |
| 01:02:48 | amiconn | Now, if you don't apply a general precut, it would start clipping |
| 01:03:08 | saratoga | that would be quite rare I think |
| 01:03:17 | amiconn | It's not. Ask preglow |
| 01:03:30 | saratoga | and since the postive RG value could be very large, you'll always clip on certain samples |
| 01:04:02 | saratoga | i assume its not possible to only apply this precut if the tag is present? |
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| 01:05:13 | DogBoy | thanks for helping saratoga |
| 01:05:16 | DogBoy | you too amiconn |
| 01:05:20 | amiconn | If you'd do that, untagged tracks would be significantly louder than tagged tracks |
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| 01:05:48 | saratoga | that would be a problem |
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| 01:06:07 | amiconn | And yes, if you don't limit positive RG values to be <= your precut, it could still clip |
| 01:07:20 | amiconn | So either you risk clipping (although it becomes less likely for a very quiet track to clip, since it will most probably not use full-range), or you limit the positive RG (resulting in very quiet track not fully equalized to the louder ones) |
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| 01:11:44 | JdGordon | n1s: yes i have a intel amc and a ipod nano (its my sisters nano so i may not actually have accesss to it today), i cant test things out later this arvo... |
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| 01:20:02 | amiconn | Bagder: 3.0.1 should be done for all archoses, in order to show a proper hint when the full-flash image is outdated |
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| 01:33:05 | * | amiconn ponders committing the necessary changes for 3.0.1 to the branch first |
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| 01:33:58 | amiconn | The important point is that the rombox load address change should not be committed to the trunk until the new flash images are out, which in turn need 3.0.1 (it will be part of them) |
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| 01:35:11 | amiconn | So I need to commit that stuff, then 3.0.1 needs to be built, and then I need the (rom|rock)box.ucl files in order to integrate them into the new flash images |
| 01:35:39 | amiconn | Then these images need to be tested, and published together with 3.0.1 |
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| 01:47:14 | WilliamMills | HI all. I'd like to be granted write acces to the Wiki so I can upload an FM preset file for my town. Any takers |
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| 01:50:24 | aarcane | Colon-Capital-Dee! |
| 01:50:38 | aarcane | I just got 24 hrs play time on rockbox on an ipod mini :D |
| 01:51:17 | WilliamMills | I use a Sansa e280 myself. Works a dream with Rockbox |
| 01:51:53 | WilliamMills | I'm looking to add an FM preset file for my town, but I need someone to allow me write access to the Wiki first. Any takers? |
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| 01:54:07 | pixelma | I guess you are also WilliamMills in the wiki? |
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| 01:54:18 | WilliamMills | That's correct |
| 01:56:25 | pixelma | you should be able to edit pages now, hope you don't intend to spam ;) |
| 01:58:07 | WilliamMills | Thanks for that. No spam, just an fmr file for the little town of Taumarunui, here in New Zealand. |
| 01:58:12 | WilliamMills | Check it out here: |
| 01:58:14 | WilliamMills | http://maps.google.co.nz/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=taumarunui&ie=UTF8&ll=-38.88061,175.262833&spn=0.140847,0.30899&z=12&iwloc=addr |
| 01:58:34 | WilliamMills | And thanks again pixelma. Great help |
| 01:58:37 | saratoga | WilliamMIlls: this is a rockbox channel |
| 01:58:50 | pixelma | nice. Thanks for contributing :) |
| 01:58:58 | WilliamMills | I had a Rockbox question. Now it's sorted |
| 01:59:41 | aarcane | pixelma, I don't have anything to contribute except battery bench results, and I'm too lazy to register. wanna post it for me ? |
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| 02:00:04 | pixelma | no |
| 02:00:36 | advcomp2019 | WilliamMills, what is your question ;) |
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| 02:01:28 | WilliamMills | advcomp2019: All I was after was write access to upload a file to the Wiki. I've got it now, so I'm all good for the moment. Thanks anyway. |
| 02:01:33 | WilliamMills | Bye all. |
| 02:01:39 | advcomp2019 | o ok |
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| 02:28:26 | stevenm | Hey guys. Is it possible to completely power an archos recorder by giving it 5V at the USB port ? |
| 02:30:21 | stevenm | Also, will its charger port accept 12.5V for the same purpose? |
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| 02:34:02 | funman | I just came across this number in the Clip OF: 0x40FF8000 |
| 02:35:15 | funman | This can be understood as OCR, with bit 30 set : HCS (High Capacity) |
| 02:35:39 | funman | However when I issue a CMD8 (to know if the card supports high capacity) I got no response |
| 02:36:03 | funman | And worse: this number is sent as an argument to CMD7, which is heavily unrelated and not correct |
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| 02:38:20 | funman | CMD7 is select/deselect card and requires the card RCA in the bits 31:16 of the argument, while bits 15:0 are stuff bits |
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| 02:38:53 | funman | I fear they used custom commands :( |
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| 03:17:10 | meoowww | Hello, can someone help me out? |
| 03:17:35 | advcomp2019 | meoowww, if you tell us what help you need |
| 03:19:27 | meoowww | Well, i'm completly new to this installing mods on my ipod, & i'd rather have someone take me step by step, cause i dont trust my self reading the instructions :S |
| 03:20:19 | Llorean | meoowww: Have you tried reading the instructions yet? |
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| 03:20:23 | Llorean | Just to see how simple they are... |
| 03:20:59 | meoowww | Yeah i have. |
| 03:21:17 | meoowww | One question, can i remove it off my ipod, without damaging the ipod it self? |
| 03:21:21 | Llorean | Yes |
| 03:21:35 | meoowww | Ok :) |
| 03:22:22 | advcomp2019 | plus the ipods are hard to brick if you want to know, too |
| 03:23:45 | Llorean | By "hard to brick" he means "You can't really do it without a hammer" |
| 03:24:01 | meoowww | Ahh, thank you |
| 03:24:02 | meoowww | :D |
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| 03:26:05 | meoowww | Im confused. |
| 03:26:21 | meoowww | Is there ment to be an installer? cause all i get is a rar file. with alot of other files. O_o |
| 03:28:32 | JdGordon_ | yes, there is |
| 03:28:47 | JdGordon_ | and you shou;dnt be getting rars from rockbox.org at all? |
| 03:29:18 | meoowww | i am :S |
| 03:30:05 | JdGordon_ | where are you? |
| 03:30:25 | JdGordon_ | we really need to work on a generic quick start guide |
| 03:31:09 | meoowww | http://build.rockbox.org/ |
| 03:31:15 | meoowww | when i download the build for my 1st gen ipod |
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| 03:32:04 | funman | it looks like a zip file |
| 03:32:32 | meoowww | Damn it |
| 03:32:36 | meoowww | Sorry, yes its a zip -.- |
| 03:32:42 | meoowww | Winrar just changes the icon |
| 03:32:45 | meoowww | no extention,, sorry. |
| 03:32:54 | JdGordon_ | have you installed the bootloader yet? |
| 03:33:15 | JdGordon_ | go to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility and use that to insall everything |
| 03:33:46 | * | JdGordon_ notes there is no 64bit linux build for 1.0.7 |
| 03:34:22 | meoowww | Hm ive put all the files into my ipod |
| 03:34:26 | meoowww | im on the boot loader thing now |
| 03:34:30 | meoowww | i install this right |
| 03:36:50 | meoowww | Wow. ok nvm i have it installed. |
| 03:36:51 | meoowww | :) |
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| 03:38:07 | funman | do you know if you can place breakpoints on PC value with JTAG hardware/software ? |
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| 03:40:42 | meoowww | hello first time i just ran rockbox, i go to database |
| 03:41:00 | meoowww | do i initialize? |
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| 03:41:50 | funman | saratoga: is your JTAG cable still on shipment ? |
| 03:41:57 | saratoga | got it on friday |
| 03:42:22 | funman | did it got its baptem yet ? |
| 03:42:27 | meoowww | uh |
| 03:42:30 | meoowww | how do i reboot? |
| 03:42:58 | saratoga | funman: no i've been out of town this weekend |
| 03:43:07 | saratoga | i actually haven't given it much thought |
| 03:43:19 | Llorean | meoowww: Shut down, and power back on. |
| 03:43:30 | JdGordon_ | meoowww: and read the manual... |
| 03:44:03 | funman | maybe you can figure what type of SD card is in your Fuze, I just found SD/MMC/SDHC/whatever initialization code in the OF |
| 03:44:24 | funman | It's for the Clip though, but I bet I can find the exact same code in Fuze OF |
| 03:45:10 | saratoga | what would be useful for me to do with JTAG? |
| 03:45:18 | saratoga | i've been too busy to follow the port all that closely |
| 03:45:40 | funman | breakpoint the OF at some precise location and read the registers content |
| 03:45:57 | funman | I mean the ARM registers (r0, r1 ..) |
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| 03:48:12 | saratoga | i'll look into the software to do that tonight |
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| 03:54:11 | funman | saratoga: I have the disassembly of Fuze Firmware V4.0.45A (at least strings say so) |
| 03:55:30 | funman | basically I'd like to know the result of the condition at offset 0x4216 (MMC or SD) |
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| 03:57:00 | funman | hum I can't see a test for SDHC cards in the Fuze firmware, while it's present in the Clip firmware |
| 03:58:39 | saratoga | funman: ok, right now i'm just trying to figure out how JTAG actually works, haven't had time to tear apart and solder my Fuze |
| 03:59:18 | funman | be careful, kugel broke the wheel when putting his Fuze apart |
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| 04:00:16 | funman | saratoga: it's time for sleep here, no hurry: this test should just confirm that we deal with a SD card (since the card answers to SD specific commands that should be the case, but you never know) |
| 04:00:51 | funman | see you |
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| 05:06:40 | stevenm | Hey guys. What happened to the page that listed all the archos recorder chips? |
| 05:06:48 | stevenm | I wanna find some info on the voltage regulator |
| 05:07:30 | stevenm | i really wouldn't mind modding this thing to run on an external 5V.. but not sure how to elegantly get it inside |
| 05:07:55 | stevenm | Anyone know if at least the DC In regulator is linear or buck/boost? |
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| 05:31:03 | stevenm | man this fucker is build SOLID |
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| 05:31:34 | stevenm | i try last time.. on the larger ajbrec board, there is a 1206 0-ohm resistor... is this a charging port disconnect? |
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| 05:47:01 | XavierGr | stevenm: europe is asleep at this time, better ask again at an hour that more people will be here |
| 05:47:23 | stevenm | XavierGr, aah, thanks. i should be asleep too... but i figured it out, thanks |
| 05:47:39 | stevenm | if you pull up one resistor, you can rewire the DC IN port to be an aux. battery |
| 05:47:50 | stevenm | or it gives you direct access to batteries |
| 05:48:03 | stevenm | charging thru rockbox becomes impossible, but my batteries are terrible anyway |
| 05:48:18 | stevenm | i'm gonna plug in a buck/boost converter and power it from my car |
| 05:50:38 | XavierGr | why? Shouldn't it work just by pluging in the dc jack (with proper dc of course). Why do you want to override charging? |
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| 05:53:12 | XavierGr | anyway have to sleep too, so good luck with your mod |
| 05:54:04 | stevenm | thanks! |
| 05:54:11 | stevenm | putting the body back together now |
| 05:54:17 | stevenm | (so, done in 5 hours :)) |
| 05:54:19 | stevenm | good night |
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| 06:09:48 | stevenm | woot, that worked! |
| 06:10:02 | stevenm | now i dont hafta drive 4 hours while listening to jesus/country radio |
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| 06:13:11 | gkffjcs | hi all, I just installed rockbox onto my ipod black 30 gig, I like it, because it lets me play flac files, but I would still like to dual boot, but when rockbox boots, it doesn't seem to give me an option, how do I choose to boot ipod os, or rockbox? |
| 06:14:57 | ameyer | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch3.html#x5-290003.1.3 |
| 06:15:00 | ameyer | also, rtfm |
| 06:17:57 | ameyer | (at least, I think "ipod black 30 gig" == ipod video) |
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| 07:10:37 | JdGordon | I dont suppose anyone know what testing n1s needed done re autodetecion in ipodpather? |
| 07:10:46 | JdGordon | is it a patch he has or svn? |
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| 07:50:33 | JdGordon | n1s: hey |
| 07:50:40 | n1s | hey |
| 07:51:06 | JdGordon | so turns out the nano isnt playing nice and the battery is probably flat so i cant test out today :( |
| 07:51:17 | JdGordon | unless it turns on in the next hour or so |
| 07:52:21 | n1s | ok, no rush, would be great if you can test sometime this week though :) |
| 07:52:52 | JdGordon | a patch? or svn? |
| 07:53:58 | n1s | there's even a prebuilt dmg in FS #9369 |
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| 07:54:37 | n1s | LambdaCalculus37 built a universal binary and tested on ppc mac |
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| 07:59:13 | JdGordon | n1s: ok, now im confused.. what needs testing? |
| 07:59:36 | n1s | that the new ipodpatche ractually works on an intel mac, nothing fancy really :) |
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| 08:01:11 | JdGordon | i dont see a patch on that task? is his build just a svn build? |
| 08:02:49 | n1s | yeah, the v3.0 ipod bootloaders built from the release branch and ipodpatcher v3.0 from the same branch (there's even a tag in svn) it's all basically ready but apparently some people don't think untested installers are the way to go :P |
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| 08:05:11 | n1s | so i was hoping you could get the dmg from the task and see if it worked for installing a bootloader on your (siters') nano |
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| 08:17:45 | JdGordon | n1s: if it turns on in the next hour i can... otherwise not till wedndsay night |
| 08:18:52 | n1s | no worries |
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| 08:57:19 | amiconn | B4gder: The branch is now prepared for building 3.0.1. It should be built for all archoses, but not made *publicly* available yet. I'd like the latter to happen in parallel with publishing the new flash images, which need the 3.0.1 .ucl files in order to make them. |
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| 09:03:30 | Djpenguin | Hi, I just installed Rockbox on my Ipod Video, and after it initalializes database and I reboot, I go into database and it gives me a black screen |
| 09:03:52 | Djpenguin | How could I fix this problem? |
| 09:05:32 | Djpenguin | But for some reason when I go into database none of the artists or anything of that sort show up |
| 09:05:43 | Djpenguin | just the background |
| 09:06:26 | Djpenguin | Can someone please help me fix this? |
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| 09:07:23 | linuxstb | How do you reboot? Do you do a hard reset (holding MENU+SELECT), or do you shutdown cleaning (long press on PLAY) ? |
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| 09:07:50 | J-23 | Can anybody help me? When I'm compiling Rockbox, I receive http://pastebin.com/d749cf2a4 errors. I tried to patch it with FS# 4755, 4760, 8767 and 9416. |
| 09:08:07 | J-23 | and tried to manually resync both FM patches |
| 09:10:23 | J-23 | I'm compiling for c200, if it makes any difference. |
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| 09:13:53 | linuxstb | J-23: If I was you, I would try the patches individually, rather than 4 at once. It looks like the patches are simply out of date and need updating to other changes in Rockbox, so you will need to fix the code. |
| 09:15:00 | J-23 | I fixed other files that are changed by these patches |
| 09:15:17 | J-23 | but I don't know how to fix apps/system_settings.c |
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| 09:17:49 | linuxstb | Try and find similar lines in that file to the ones added by your patch, and see what's different. Or if you can't work it out, you could type "svn diff apps/system_settings.c > mypatch.diff" and upload that mypatch.diff file to pastebin and ask for specific help. |
| 09:21:29 | J-23 | http://wklej.org/txt/10200/ - differences between system_settings.c from SVN and patched with 8151 and 8767 |
| 09:25:28 | * | J-23 doesn't understand what's wrong with it. |
| 09:26:48 | linuxstb | You need to delete the first three lines that the patch is showing - the code within the #if #else #endif block should be replacing it. You also need an extra ")" after the last ID2P() in both sections of that #if. |
| 09:27:20 | funman | isn't it a ',' ? |
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| 09:28:17 | linuxstb | Er, it's both - the #if part should end ID2P(LANG_FM_REG_LV1000)), and the #else should end ID2P(LANG_FM_KOREA)), |
| 09:28:41 | funman | I just checked the Clip OF: the code definitely checks if the bit31 of the response to acmd41 is set, so it sticks to the specification |
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| 09:29:42 | funman | It means I must miss something in the card initialization; I hope it's the bits of MCI Power I didn't touch because I don't understand them (OpenDrain and Resistor Open Drain) |
| 09:29:49 | J-23 | thank you, now that code compiles properly |
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| 09:31:05 | funman | Bits 6 & 7 described in http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.ddi0172a/i1007086.html |
| 09:31:26 | J-23 | hmm, "drivers/fat.c:800: warning: format ‘%d’ expects type ‘int’, but argument 2 has type ‘long unsigned int’" |
| 09:31:40 | J-23 | happens also for lines 719 and 775 |
| 09:32:33 | funman | %lu ? |
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| 09:34:56 | * | linuxstb wonders what patch is changing the fat driver |
| 09:35:07 | JdGordon | over the next couple of days can someone look at FS #9480 (code cleanup NOT a new feature)? it cleans up and hopefully organsies the events in apps/ |
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| 09:37:31 | linuxstb | J-23: Do you know which patch changes fat.c ? I've just had a quick look at the 4 patches you listed, and can't see any references to fat.c in them. |
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| 09:38:18 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Are the items listed under "further cleanup:" things your patch does, or things you think need to be done? |
| 09:38:35 | JdGordon | things to think about or do later |
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| 09:39:06 | JdGordon | ata_idel_notify can probalby stay... i had another look at it and I tihnk its fine |
| 09:42:02 | * | JdGordon is afk till wed night but wanted to get someone elses opinion on it... |
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| 09:45:19 | J-23 | linuxstb: these errors appeared only when running debug build. |
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| 09:46:23 | linuxstb | J-23: Debug builds don't work on most targets anyway - they're designed for use when you have a hardware debugging device attached. |
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| 09:58:08 | Traby | hy |
| 09:58:49 | Traby | i have a meizu E5 mp3 player, can anyone tell me if it could run rockbox |
| 09:59:04 | GodEater | it probably *could*, but it won't at the moment |
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| 09:59:18 | GodEater | we list all models rockbox currently runs on at http://www.rockbox.org/ |
| 09:59:38 | Traby | thanks |
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| 10:33:35 | * | pixelma had hoped B4gder's reply in the ML would tell us more about what happened to the plugin localisation GSoC project |
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| 10:38:56 | Zagor | also I'd say a counter point to that response is that the way we've always done it has proven itself rather weak, as shown by the overwhelming number of patches waiting. |
| 10:39:07 | B4gder | I agree |
| 10:39:19 | B4gder | but I don't think the suggested way is an improvement to that |
| 10:39:30 | Zagor | me neither |
| 10:40:23 | Zagor | sometimes I wonder if a "liutenant" system, like in the linux kernel, could work for us |
| 10:40:56 | B4gder | perhaps |
| 10:41:07 | B4gder | u-boot also has that |
| 10:42:08 | pixelma | liutenant? |
| 10:42:30 | B4gder | local "masters" of subsections of the code |
| 10:43:07 | pixelma | aha |
| 10:47:49 | amiconn | B4gder: ping |
| 10:48:04 | B4gder | yes? |
| 10:48:16 | amiconn | 08:57 ... |
| 10:49:08 | GodEater | lieutenant btw ;) |
| 10:49:33 | B4gder | amiconn: I read that, but I can't start on that right now |
| 10:50:00 | amiconn | OK. Would be nice to have that available sometime tonight, then I could prepare the images right away |
| 10:50:08 | amiconn | (and test on all my archoses) |
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| 11:04:05 | linuxstb | Zagor: I see part of the Rockbox patch problem as simply being that we have quite high standards for code committed to Rockbox, and lots of patch authors either can't meet them, or are happy with their "works for me" hacks. ddalton seems to fall into the latter category. |
| 11:04:40 | linuxstb | The other problem of course is that we (i.e. existing committers) don't spend enough time reviewing patches and encouraging the authors. |
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| 11:08:58 | linuxstb | Zagor: Also the "docs/MAINTAINERS" file was intended (by me at least) to be a sort of "lieutenant" system - but it requires people to take up the role... |
| 11:10:04 | Zagor | ah, I'd forgotten about that file. |
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| 11:32:56 | SmallR2002 | i have done something rather silly |
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| 11:33:30 | SmallR2002 | rm -rf ./* from the root of my sansa e280r |
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| 11:35:09 | SmallR2002 | now i need to get the original firmware on and rockbox, as they both got removed |
| 11:35:55 | advcomp2019 | SmallR2002, you can reinstall the OF via recovery mode |
| 11:36:11 | SmallR2002 | recovery mode? this was what i needed :p |
| 11:36:17 | SmallR2002 | what do i do to get recovery mode? |
| 11:38:17 | advcomp2019 | take a look at the SansaE200Unbrick wiki |
| 11:40:05 | SmallR2002 | tar |
| 11:44:19 | SmallR2002 | okey, got to a clean system again :) |
| 11:44:21 | SmallR2002 | thanks :) |
| 11:44:41 | SmallR2002 | /dev/sdg1 8.1G 2.5G 5.6G 31% /media/Sansa e280R |
| 11:44:50 | SmallR2002 | how is nothing using 2.5GB? |
| 11:45:36 | advcomp2019 | open it up and see what is there then |
| 11:49:07 | SmallR2002 | http://rafb.net/p/me7ZuP84.html |
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| 11:50:36 | advcomp2019 | did you use the sansa.fmt file when you use in recovery mode? |
| 11:52:04 | SmallR2002 | no, i used http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4.html |
| 11:52:22 | SmallR2002 | SanDisk Sansa e250R |
| 11:52:41 | SmallR2002 | 2x0 x being capacity i was told a while ago |
| 11:52:57 | advcomp2019 | the sansa.fmt file will format the sansa |
| 11:53:37 | SmallR2002 | okey |
| 11:55:03 | SmallR2002 | i'll get the latest sansa firmware, pop that on there for an upgrade then format |
| 11:55:08 | SmallR2002 | safer than crossing fingers |
| 11:57:34 | SmallR2002 | by the way guys |
| 11:57:41 | SmallR2002 | thanks so much for building rockbox :) |
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| 12:00:32 | linuxstb | Shouldn't you just be able to copy the original firmware .mi4 (called /System/OF.mi4) and the Rockbox bootloader will load and decrypt it? |
| 12:00:40 | markun | SmallR2002: on behalf of the guys: you're welcome :) |
| 12:01:05 | linuxstb | SmallR2002: Or have you already unplugged your Sansa from your PC? |
| 12:01:12 | SmallR2002 | i unplugged |
| 12:01:14 | SmallR2002 | but that's fixed |
| 12:01:18 | SmallR2002 | i'm just updating the firmware now |
| 12:04:46 | SmallR2002 | heh, anyway, i know it's hard to support newer players on the market |
| 12:04:51 | SmallR2002 | is there anything i can do to help? |
| 12:05:03 | scorche|sh | do you know C? |
| 12:06:52 | SmallR2002 | not as well as i would need to |
| 12:07:37 | SmallR2002 | but i guess i could go back through the books and get into it |
| 12:07:44 | scorche|sh | never a time like the present to learn ;) |
| 12:07:56 | daurnimator | theres times like tomorrow |
| 12:07:57 | daurnimator | or later |
| 12:08:03 | daurnimator | or even "when I feel like it" |
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| 12:12:55 | SmallR2002 | or 'some time soon, well, in a bit' |
| 12:18:02 | SmallR2002 | brilliant, got my space back :) |
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| 12:54:11 | SmallR2002 | hmmm |
| 12:54:28 | SmallR2002 | first try with the gui and it claims that the bootloader 404's |
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| 12:54:39 | SmallR2002 | i'll do it manually like normal :p |
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| 13:00:25 | SmallR2002 | don't know if you know already but http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/e200r-patcher/e200rpatcher.linux 404's |
| 13:01:01 | B4gder | append 32 |
| 13:01:06 | B4gder | to the url |
| 13:01:19 | B4gder | or 64 if you prefer the 64bit version |
| 13:06:18 | linuxstb | SmallR2002: I don't think rbutil supports the e200r for bootloader installation. |
| 13:07:44 | SmallR2002 | no worries, did it manually with svn co |
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| 13:09:17 | funman | after some research it seems the opendrain settings of the SD/MMC controller are only used for MMC cards, not for SD |
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| 13:17:48 | SmallR2002 | btw, how long till the rockbox util will do themes again? |
| 13:19:31 | linuxstb | SmallR2002: It needs someone to finish developing the new themes website... |
| 13:20:39 | SmallR2002 | maybe i can help? |
| 13:21:18 | linuxstb | Do you know PHP? |
| 13:21:47 | linuxstb | The site so far is in Rockbox SVN - in the "themes.rockbox.org" directory (at the same level as "rockbox" I think) |
| 13:22:05 | SmallR2002 | i know enough to get by |
| 13:22:07 | SmallR2002 | hmmm |
| 13:22:17 | SmallR2002 | i might be able to help quite a bit |
| 13:24:16 | markun | I wonder if this would work to make an image viewer for our blind users: http://www.seeingwithsound.com/ |
| 13:25:10 | SmallR2002 | i'll talk to my business partner, maybe we can do the site for free |
| 13:25:33 | SmallR2002 | might be able to get you some money thrown in ;) |
| 13:25:36 | linuxstb | SmallR2002: We have a server waiting to host it - it's just the PHP code that needs finishing. |
| 13:25:44 | SmallR2002 | /nod |
| 13:26:08 | SmallR2002 | all we'd want is a notice somewhere saying that the site was sponsored by us |
| 13:32:05 | SmallR2002 | a couple of hundred quid for buying new players :p |
| 13:35:58 | linuxstb | SmallR2002: Donations are always welcome, but I don't think we need any more sponsored servers (others may correct me...) |
| 13:36:34 | SmallR2002 | well, i can offer a sponsored server if you want, but i was offering to do the site, like, make it |
| 13:37:12 | linuxstb | Yes, someone to write the php is definitely needed. But are you saying you will only write the PHP if you get to host/sponsor the site? |
| 13:37:46 | SmallR2002 | just to put a little notice on at the bottom saying that as a company we sponsor you |
| 13:37:53 | SmallR2002 | and you'd get a nice sized donation :p |
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| 13:39:15 | SmallR2002 | otherwise i might be able to contribute a little myself in my spare time |
| 13:40:15 | linuxstb | Hmm, I don't think anyone has offered something like that before, I can't say what most people would think. |
| 13:41:14 | SmallR2002 | fair enough :p |
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| 13:47:25 | * | n1s found a small list glitch, do people think it's bad that the order in which the various gui_synclist_* setup functions are called before gui_synclist_draw matters? It does seem error prone to me (and was the cause for this bug) |
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| 14:26:01 | brucifiction | i was just wondering, are there any plans to bring this amazing software to ipod nano 3rd gen? |
| 14:27:05 | advcomp2019 | most of that info is on the forums unless you are going to help out in some way |
| 14:29:35 | linuxstb | brucifiction: Ports to the newer ipods are blocked because no-one has cracked Apple's firmware encryption - meaning we can't run our own code on them. They are also completely different hardware to earlier ipods. |
| 14:32:10 | GodEater | can we add that as an "explain" to logbot ? |
| 14:32:20 | * | GodEater is sick of typing it, and is sure other people must be too. |
| 14:36:14 | brucifiction | sorry if you've heard the question a million times before, i only found the site about 10 mins ago. i'm looking into getting an mp3 player for a visually impaired friend. this could be my answer! thanks :) |
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| 14:39:54 | massiveH | brucifiction, any version that supports "voice" (which I think is every player) |
| 14:41:17 | n1s | yes, every supported rockbox player supports the voice UI |
| 14:41:42 | brucifiction | is there a particular player that anyone can recommend? |
| 14:42:01 | massiveH | I'd suggest any player with real buttons, not a wheel |
| 14:42:04 | n1s | see the BuyersGuide page in the wiki |
| 14:42:35 | n1s | but yes, for visually impaired users the touchstrip/ wheel targets are not so nice |
| 14:43:00 | brucifiction | great advice, thank you! |
| 14:43:16 | Zagor | the "in production" column is rather depressing... |
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| 14:43:29 | Zagor | ...and the "available" column is rather pointless |
| 14:43:30 | massiveH | it is, but you can find almost every player on ebay |
| 14:44:04 | massiveH | heck, I just bought a sansa 280 on woot.com for $50 last week |
| 14:44:15 | midgey|web | pixelma: I saw your question about GSoC in the logs |
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| 14:44:38 | Zagor | massiveH: yes, woot are saviours for americans. but I don't think they ship to europe, do they= |
| 14:44:46 | saratoga | Bagder: any chance you could update the "current status" link on the front page? |
| 14:44:53 | brucifiction | i'm from the UK, will that make a difference? |
| 14:44:54 | GodEater | Zagor: no they don't |
| 14:44:59 | massiveH | no, I think they can only do US, Zagor, sadly |
| 14:45:05 | midgey|web | pixelma: long story short, i'm still alive i've just been very busy with school and work |
| 14:45:06 | GodEater | brucifiction: yes, you'll have to go via ebay or somesuch |
| 14:45:34 | midgey|web | i'll try and post a synced patch some time this week after exams |
| 14:46:17 | midgey|web | i don't think it's ready for commit and there's some issues I'd like to fix |
| 14:46:47 | saratoga | has anyone looked at the updated album art resize patch? |
| 14:46:51 | midgey|web | i'll try and post to the mailing list so people can read what's going on |
| 14:46:57 | n1s | midgey|web: good to hear you're still working on it, I think this will be a nice major feature for 3.1 :) |
| 14:47:44 | midgey|web | i'd agree with that. i had no idea i would be this busy this semester. |
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| 14:50:09 | midgey|web | saratoga: i've looked at it briefly but I haven't tested it or really reviewed it at all |
| 14:52:57 | brucifiction | so will the sansa e280 work? there seems to be alot of those on ebay in the UK |
| 14:53:24 | linuxstb | saratoga: I was hoping idak would give us his own critique of his patch (so I didn't waste time saying what he already knew) - he seemed aware that it was far from perfect. I now see that he replied, but didn't say what other improvements he's planning. |
| 14:54:29 | linuxstb | Don't we support album-art on 2bpp LCDs? |
| 14:54:38 | n1s | brucifiction: there are two versions of the e200 one (v1) that works with rockbox and one (v2) that doesn't (yet) |
| 14:55:23 | n1s | linuxstb: we do |
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| 14:56:18 | brucifiction | how can i find out if it's version 1? |
| 14:57:45 | massiveH | brucifiction, in the menu, there is a tab that shows the firmware version of the player |
| 14:58:03 | massiveH | so you would most likely have to ask the person selling it |
| 14:58:17 | Zagor | can anyone think of a reason why pcm_record.c should be in firmware/ rather than apps/ ? |
| 14:58:22 | brucifiction | so i won't know until i get it? can i backdate to an earlier firmware? |
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| 14:59:04 | LambdaCalculus37 | V2 Sansas only use 03.XX.XX firmware versions. V1 Sansas use 01.XX.XX firmware versions. |
| 14:59:04 | advcomp2019 | you can not make a v2 into v1 |
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| 15:00:09 | Zagor | you need to ask the seller to check the version before you buy |
| 15:00:41 | brucifiction | if i was to go for an ipod, is there an accessible alternative to iTunes? |
| 15:01:07 | linuxstb | I don't know about accessible alternatives, but there are many alternatives. That's not really on-topic here though. |
| 15:01:08 | n1s | brucifiction: with rockbox you don't need itunes |
| 15:01:18 | massiveH | brucifiction, you can access it like a hard drive, but trying to use the wheel with the voice UI is going to be difficult |
| 15:01:54 | * | linuxstb assumed brucifiction was talking about ipods that couldn't run Rockbox - but maybe he was wrong. |
| 15:02:34 | brucifiction | no, that's great! just clearing things up :) |
| 15:02:54 | massiveH | linuxstb, he is looking for a player that supports voice ui for his blind friend |
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| 15:05:54 | massiveH | brucifiction, the older ipods are probally easier to come buy, but I suggest a player with real buttons, not touch type wheel |
| 15:06:09 | brucifiction | anyone have any experience with the iriver h300 series? |
| 15:06:18 | massiveH | brucifiction, that is my player, I love it |
| 15:06:30 | LambdaCalculus37 | My girlfriend has one; excellent player. |
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| 15:07:43 | brucifiction | does this one require a particular firmware version? |
| 15:08:00 | n1s | brucifiction: a very nice player, and no all h300's are supported |
| 15:08:01 | massiveH | brucifiction, no, every version works, and you can downgrade if you want |
| 15:08:50 | n1s | brucifiction: btw the problem with the e200 isn't the firmware, the hardware is actualy eintirely different between v1 and v2 |
| 15:09:17 | markun | which player does ddalton use? |
| 15:09:36 | B4gder | one of the irivers I think |
| 15:10:07 | brucifiction | sounds like an iriver is the one for me. you've all been great. thanks for your patients :) |
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| 15:13:24 | markun | we could add (optional) clicks upon a key press for the gigabeat F series |
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| 15:13:37 | pixelma | "an iriver" is a bit vague, even one (the H10) of the 3 models Rockbox runs on is quite different from the other ones and there are a lot of other models |
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| 15:13:58 | massiveH | I think he chose the h300 |
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| 15:14:28 | brucifiction | yes, the h320 to be exact |
| 15:14:30 | pixelma | midgey|web: good to hear |
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| 15:18:13 | brucifiction | when i go to the blind FAQ it only tellms me about the archos, is there something i'm missing? |
| 15:18:50 | n1s | that faq is a bit outdated |
| 15:19:50 | brucifiction | stable) version of rockbox, and the voice files? |
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| 15:21:21 | brucifiction | sorry, not sure what happened there. so i would just install the newest and stable version of rockbox, and the voice files, and i'm ready to go? |
| 15:22:11 | n1s | basically yes, but if you also want file names voiced you need to generate a talk clip for each file, rbutil can help with that |
| 15:23:26 | brucifiction | is that a long process? |
| 15:24:38 | n1s | it shouldn't take too long, i think |
| 15:25:53 | brucifiction | ok, thanks :) |
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| 15:48:51 | Zagor | amiconn: here? can you explain to me what the magic numbers in mpeg.c:2487-2500 are? |
| 15:50:14 | amiconn | That function returns the MAS' internal PLL frequency, in Hz |
| 15:50:49 | Zagor | is that frequently set anywhere or do we "just know" that this is the frequency at this point? |
| 15:51:07 | Zagor | er, s/frequently/frequency of course |
| 15:52:35 | Zagor | it looks rather ... magic |
| 15:52:57 | Zagor | also it breaks my mpeg -> apps transition :) |
| 15:53:11 | amiconn | It's documented in the MAS datasheet. If the mpeg file uses 8,12,16,24,32 or 48kHz sample frequency, the internal PLL runs at 24.576MHz, and for sample frequencies of 11,22 and 44kHz it runs at 22,579MHz (provided that we don't lie about the xtal input frequency) |
| 15:53:21 | B4gder | it seems like a function for firmware/target somewhere |
| 15:53:30 | B4gder | or possibly drivers |
| 15:53:41 | Zagor | B4gder: indeed. it's only used by the archos tuner driver, to avoid interference. |
| 15:53:45 | amiconn | This function is there to avoid radio interference with the samsung tuner (which is *very* susceptible to interference) |
| 15:54:14 | amiconn | The 4th harmonic of these pll frequencies lies within the FM reception range |
| 15:55:14 | amiconn | So if the user tunes to one of these 4th harmonics, we slightly shift them away by slight pitch shifting |
| 15:55:44 | Zagor | it would be nice to solve this in mas.c instead of mpeg.c |
| 15:56:24 | amiconn | Yeah. mas.c needs a fundamental rewrite anyway |
| 15:56:26 | B4gder | the first line of the function seems a bit weird though |
| 15:56:37 | B4gder | mpeg_mode seems like an mpeg.c variable |
| 15:57:07 | B4gder | in fact the entire function is odd |
| 15:57:15 | amiconn | Yes, and it needs to check that |
| 15:58:19 | amiconn | The function only works properly if the MAS is in recording mode with source != spdif, but that's all that's needed for its purpose |
| 15:59:16 | Zagor | so it's only used when recording from radio? |
| 15:59:40 | amiconn | no |
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| 16:00:08 | amiconn | The MAS is always in recording mode when the radio screen is active |
| 16:00:37 | Zagor | aha |
| 16:00:39 | amiconn | Actually that's something I want to change, because it wastes battery power when not actually recording, and prevents voicing |
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| 16:08:18 | Zagor | amiconn: would you mind if I introduced a mas_store_pllfreq() for use by the tuner, instead of talking directly to mpeg.c? |
| 16:10:01 | Zagor | or rather, mpeg.c uses store and the tuner driver uses get |
| 16:11:00 | n1s | anyone against FS #9472 ? |
| 16:18:09 | Zagor | amiconn: ? |
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| 16:22:13 | Llorean | n1s: I certainly don't think "General Settings" belongs at the top. |
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| 16:22:31 | Llorean | General is mostly "set once" style settings, and "Sound Settings" are, most of the time, going to be why people are going into the menus I think |
| 16:22:49 | n1s | Llorean: i agree that it is a little strange |
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| 16:23:58 | n1s | so how about having General after Recording and before Theme? |
| 16:24:36 | Llorean | I don't think things need to be moved around (in that screen) other than picking a position where "Playback" can go if it's to be moved there. |
| 16:24:47 | Llorean | Honestly, I think it's one of the least change-needing screens in Rockbox. :) |
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| 16:29:28 | n1s | so no one will come screaming at me if I just change it? |
| 16:31:48 | Llorean | Huh? |
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| 16:33:38 | n1s | Llorean: I had not initially realised that he also rearranged the menu so i'm going to just move playback settings out of general and stick it under sound, ok? |
| 16:35:24 | Llorean | So just immediately below "Sound" on the screen but leaving everything else untouched? I'm fine with that at least. |
| 16:36:11 | n1s | ok, i'll go with that as no one else has commented |
| 16:36:32 | pixelma | what about the manual? |
| 16:37:10 | n1s | pixelma: calm :) |
| 16:37:21 | petur | haha |
| 16:38:24 | * | petur suddenly remembers he should regenerate the recording settings screendumps :/ |
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| 16:43:01 | pixelma | n1s: just one thought about the new order - "Playback Settings" should be in a place that's not any harder to get to than now (just thinking about no quick screen on the Ondio). Even though playback settings are currently inside "General Settings", playback is the first point there and it "just" needs one additional button press from there... |
| 16:44:04 | n1s | pixelma: playback now goes under sound (where general was before) so it is actually one keypress less |
| 16:44:07 | pixelma | though I admit that I don't change things like shuffle or repeat very often |
| 16:46:06 | pixelma | and since "Playback Settings" can be entered from the WPS context menu too, it's probably not that important. Ok... |
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| 18:29:54 | SmallR2002 | maybe i just had a really good idea |
| 18:29:56 | SmallR2002 | maybe i didn't |
| 18:29:57 | SmallR2002 | hmmm |
| 18:30:44 | SmallR2002 | have you guys heard of slacker radio? |
| 18:31:35 | SmallR2002 | i believe they're starting to ship a linux based device with their own app on it, maybe with a little diplomacy they might port it to rockbox |
| 18:33:56 | SmallR2002 | the music would have to be somehow encrypted i guess |
| 18:34:04 | SmallR2002 | hmmm |
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| 18:36:48 | domonoky | isnt that *online* radio ? rockbox doesnt have any net access... |
| 18:39:47 | LambdaCalculus37 | domonoky: Yes, it is. |
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| 18:42:30 | n1s | domonoky: it could always _get_ net access |
| 18:44:10 | SmallR2002 | um |
| 18:44:11 | domonoky | n1s: if you write a networkstack for something like a virtual Network-over-USB device, sure :-) |
| 18:44:13 | SmallR2002 | it's online radio |
| 18:44:15 | mcuelenaere | Bagder: did you have time for setting up the plugin API documentation generator cronjob? |
| 18:44:17 | SmallR2002 | but, more than that |
| 18:44:28 | SmallR2002 | now they have an mp3 player kinda thing |
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| 18:44:43 | SmallR2002 | where basically it downloads a set of songs plays radio from that |
| 18:44:49 | SmallR2002 | you update it regularly |
| 18:45:02 | SmallR2002 | http://www.slacker.com/products/portables/ |
| 18:45:39 | n1s | domonoky: gevaerts was looking into porting lwip, no idea how serious he was though, I however don't care much for internet radio or radio at all so i would need better motivation :) |
| 18:46:25 | gevaerts | I was semi-serious. I think it's doable, if someone really wants it. |
| 18:47:15 | SmallR2002 | hmmm |
| 18:47:23 | SmallR2002 | twas just an idea i had |
| 18:47:37 | SmallR2002 | might bring more support and funding your way too |
| 18:47:43 | SmallR2002 | always good, right? |
| 18:48:00 | gevaerts | Depends on the cost |
| 18:48:08 | bertrik | we don't need much funding I think |
| 18:48:26 | n1s | being able to download tracks from a samba share or something over wifi would be a neat feature if we ever get support on a wifi enabled player :) |
| 18:48:38 | domonoky | we dont even need user.. :-) rockbox is fine on its own :-) |
| 18:49:21 | * | gevaerts is of the opinion that users serve to find developers :) |
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| 18:50:37 | SmallR2002 | tbh, i think rockbox is awesome and should be ported to *everything* |
| 18:50:49 | LambdaCalculus37 | Well, no stopping you there. Get to porting. :) |
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| 19:26:26 | stevenm | Hey guys! |
| 19:26:47 | stevenm | Does anyone know what happened to the archos HW page? The one with the boards, chip numbers, etc ? |
| 19:27:38 | petur | somewhere in the wiki? |
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| 19:29:00 | domonoky | perhaps you mean something like this ? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HardwareSchematics |
| 19:31:18 | stevenm | domonoky, YES! Thanks |
| 19:31:59 | stevenm | I've been trying to bypass the batteries entirely (they only last 30min) and get the thing to run directly off the DC In port |
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| 19:32:52 | stevenm | just wanna check if there is a more elegant way to do it than pulling up the 0-ohm resistor on that jack and wiring the pad to the battery pin |
| 19:34:15 | domonoky | why not just put new batterys in ? (or is it a archos recoder fm with the builtin battery ?) |
| 19:35:01 | stevenm | domonoky, I've done that a few times. they are good batteries, but the life is just terrible anyway |
| 19:35:26 | stevenm | maybe the unit is partially damaged, or it has something to do with an HD replacement, with the new drive pulling more A |
| 19:35:29 | domonoky | my old trusty archos player still gets about 10h with fresh batterys... |
| 19:35:36 | stevenm | Not bad ! |
| 19:35:44 | stevenm | yea this hardly gets an hour |
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| 19:36:01 | stevenm | but i want to install it in my car, so power won't really be an issue |
| 19:36:25 | stevenm | i have iaudio U2 to walk around with... still waiting for a port :) |
| 19:36:32 | domonoky | then why not connect directly to the battery contacts ? (with the correct regualtor of course) |
| 19:36:40 | pixelma | are those such high capacity cells and you leave them a while before using again? Those high capacity ones often suffer from high self discharge |
| 19:36:51 | * | amiconn gets about 15 hours out of both his Player and Recorder |
| 19:37:52 | stevenm | Charged it overnight using 9V, then it died about half an hour later with moderate skipping. This has been going on for a long time. I never remember it having great battery life, even after I bought new cells... it may have been half-busted when it was given to me |
| 19:38:39 | stevenm | domonoky, that is the idea... but connecting directly to battery terminals is kind of ugly, I thought... that's why I wanted to interanally wire it to the DC port |
| 19:38:54 | * | domonoky rembers something about broken voltage regulators in those old devices, which then draw much power but otherwise work.. |
| 19:39:18 | stevenm | domonoky, and I've got a 5V buck converter from National (back when you could get free samples...) |
| 19:39:39 | pixelma | domonoky: I only know that about the Ondios but could be missing something there |
| 19:39:41 | stevenm | although you can sample similar single-unit regulators with higher efficiency and more output current from TI |
| 19:40:17 | stevenm | domonoky, Hmmmm... do you know what type of regulator it is? linear/switching? who makes it? |
| 19:40:29 | domonoky | stevenm: i would just cut the DC port interally off, und connect it with wires to where the battery is connected... |
| 19:42:04 | stevenm | domonoky, that's what i have done for now. it's nice that you don't need to actually break anything. the kind folks at Archos seem to have installed a large 0-ohm resistor in series with the DC port that you can easily pull up |
| 19:43:09 | domonoky | you could even put the voltage converter in the now empty battery slot, and connect 12v from the car to the dc connector :-) |
| 19:43:30 | stevenm | domonoky, this is true... but unfortunately it doesn't fit, I tried |
| 19:43:54 | stevenm | it is an LM2825-5.0. Switching, good efficiency, with all the inductors, etc in a single package |
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| 19:44:56 | stevenm | but a few months ago National started charging a $35 handling fee for the samples :(. The next best thing is say, PTN78000, but that is just barely too big also |
| 19:45:38 | stevenm | although the reg inside the archos is only $1.68, so maybe I try swapping that also |
| 19:45:41 | amiconn | stevenm: You should only charge either with the original *unregulated* 9V charger, or if you want to use a regulated one, you need a 12V type |
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| 19:46:05 | stevenm | amiconn, what do you mean by unregulated 9V charger? |
| 19:46:09 | domonoky | why not just something like a LM1086 with two small condensators ? should be enough, and they are cheap.. |
| 19:46:10 | amiconn | A regulated 9V charger will charge far too slow, resulting in an incomplete charge and very short runtimes |
| 19:47:29 | amiconn | stevenm: The original charger is an unregulated supply. It is specced 9V at full load (500mA), but since it's unregulated, its output voltage is >9V (about 10.5V) when feeding the archos (max. current ~350mA) |
| 19:47:57 | stevenm | amiconn, I tried charging both with 9V and 12V. I've got a nice power supply that provides that... often when it's plugged in and running at 9V, the HD will stall and the whole thing will flip out, so must use 12V |
| 19:48:34 | stevenm | amiconn, aah, I see. I don't actually have the original charger unfortunately. All I got was the unit, minus hard drive |
| 19:48:56 | amiconn | Sure, if you batteries are in a low charge state the hdd will stall |
| 19:49:19 | stevenm | so it is also possible that the drive I put in draws more power than the drive that was there originally. though, i did not expect it to be THAT big a difference. THis one is speced for 800mA |
| 19:49:31 | amiconn | no |
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| 19:50:06 | amiconn | If your batteries are in a low charge state, the archos won't work properly even if the charger is connected. This is expected and normal |
| 19:50:27 | stevenm | amiconn, makes sense |
| 19:50:33 | domonoky | but if stevenm wants to put it into the car, it may be better to remove the need for batterys, then no battery worries more, ever :-) |
| 19:50:50 | amiconn | The charger isn't capable of feeding the archos on its own, it's just what it says: a charger. This is how the hardware is designed |
| 19:51:35 | stevenm | oh boy. this might explain a lot |
| 19:52:04 | stevenm | the kid who gave me the recorder- apparently he tried to plug in a charger backwards and the thing started smoking |
| 19:52:16 | stevenm | this is when i got it |
| 19:52:28 | stevenm | in this case i am impressed it works at all |
| 19:53:30 | amiconn | Then it might be that the charger chip is fried. It can be replaced; there should even be a guide in the wiki somewhere |
| 19:53:36 | stevenm | of course that could mean that there are a ton of parts to check. this charge circuit does not look simple |
| 19:54:06 | amiconn | There's one single part that's almost always the problem if a recorder doesn't charge anymore |
| 19:55:05 | stevenm | it runs off wall power... kinda.. but as I said, battery life is crummy. is the charger chip that little 4-pin transistor-like thingy on the top of the interface board? |
| 19:55:12 | stevenm | sorry, I forget the package name |
| 19:56:42 | * | domonoky would just put a small circuit (~1€) into the battery slot, and provide power via the battery contacts.. input 12v unregulated to the dc port :-) |
| 19:57:57 | stevenm | domonoky, what kind of regulator would you recommend that fits into the battery slot? |
| 19:58:40 | ericab | hey everyone; i appreciate the hard work on rockbox; i have a gigabeat S and was just curious what the progress is on its porting ? |
| 19:59:28 | domonoky | just a small fixed voltage regulator (fitting the battery voltage) and two small capacitors, thats how i do it for most of my electronics projects.. |
| 19:59:52 | stevenm | domonoky, are you talking about a linear reg or switching ? |
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| 20:00:35 | domonoky | i dont know the correct terms, something like LM1086 ... |
| 20:00:43 | n1s | ericab: progress has been slow, there's a more or less finished patch for charging in the tracker but the creator (JhMikeS) doesn't have much rockbox time currently |
| 20:01:15 | n1s | other than that most of the basics work but the battery time is pretty bad |
| 20:01:32 | ericab | ahh ok. |
| 20:01:52 | ericab | is the installation process somewhat easy ? |
| 20:01:52 | stevenm | domonoky, aah yes, I see.. that is linear, similar to 7805 and LM317 |
| 20:02:49 | stevenm | domonoky, I'm kinda afraid that is going to heat up and melt through the case, on account of being linear and dissipating a lot of power. there are regulators that don't just "burn off" the extra power but these are bigger and often require inductors |
| 20:03:08 | n1s | ericab: it's not that difficult, but if you want dual boot (which you do since charging doesn't work yet in rockbox) youy need to aquire the Original firmwar which we cannot distribute and patch that... |
| 20:03:56 | domonoky | stevenm: yeah, they can get very hot, true... :-) |
| 20:04:06 | ericab | ok, thanks for the help n1s |
| 20:04:47 | stevenm | domonoky, if you are building something battery powered that takes a lot of power, I recommend sampling a PTN78000 or similar. those things are nice.. we used them on a big project, and all for free |
| 20:04:59 | amiconn | stevenm: I can't find it right now, but iirc it was a transistor that's usually broken if recorder v1 doesn't charge anymore |
| 20:06:23 | stevenm | amiconn, that makes sense. Do you mean T3 in the schematic ? |
| 20:06:40 | amiconn | Yes, I think that's the one |
| 20:06:56 | stevenm | excellent |
| 20:07:22 | stevenm | amiconn, do you think that is what would blow first if the charger polarity was wrong? |
| 20:08:52 | amiconn | A hint: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2003-08/0577.shtml |
| 20:09:11 | stevenm | wow.. that little thing is good to 7A |
| 20:09:17 | stevenm | amiconn, thanks |
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| 20:10:29 | amiconn | You can check whether the box charges at all if you have a multimeter. Put it in series with the charger, and measure current |
| 20:11:00 | stevenm | amiconn, you know.. that is actually a very good idea |
| 20:11:08 | stevenm | i will do that when I am home |
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| 20:11:37 | stevenm | this all sounds pretty doable, as long as digikey or something carries the parts |
| 20:12:10 | * | fxb is collecting iPod details (Last 3 chars of Serial #, Name, Generation, Color, Capacity, Model #, Product Family #). If anyone wants to contribute, just PM me with that info. |
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| 20:12:32 | stevenm | if i can't get the parts in time for my trip, I'll just stick with the external switching regulator. can't go without music... the only thing on the radio is jesus talk where i am going :( |
| 20:12:42 | mcuelenaere | Bagder: ping |
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| 20:13:37 | mcuelenaere | Bagder: did you get my last message? |
| 20:13:59 | Bagder | did now, but no I've haven't yet managed that |
| 20:14:16 | mcuelenaere | ok |
| 20:14:49 | Bagder | steve c certainly doesn't add much to the ML either |
| 20:15:06 | stevenm | amiconn, oh hey, MC34063AD is a free sample too! yay |
| 20:15:12 | stevenm | anyways, off to lecture. Thanks all for the help! |
| 20:15:24 | gevaerts | faemir: where do I find product family? |
| 20:15:29 | gevaerts | fxb: where do I find product family? |
| 20:15:34 | * | gevaerts apologises to faemir |
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| 20:17:25 | fxb | gevaerts: you can leave that out. |
| 20:17:38 | gevaerts | ok |
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| 20:36:13 | TENK | Hey, anyone know if someone is working on rockbox for the new Archos 5? |
| 20:37:07 | Hillshum | no |
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| 20:37:12 | Hillshum | it won't |
| 20:37:57 | TENK | I know there is no current version for it.. but no one will make one? |
| 20:38:22 | gevaerts | You could make one |
| 20:38:36 | meddows | howdy, i need some help installing rockbox! The utility installer doesn't recognize my ipod! Its really strange, because when i do autodetect it says my ipod is not supported, but its a 80g Video (5.5gen) −−> some help in pvt woul be appreciated! :) |
| 20:39:02 | TENK | i suppose thats possible :P |
| 20:39:04 | gevaerts | meddows: are you sure it's a 5.5gen and not a 6gen? |
| 20:39:15 | Nico_P | meddows: was it formatted with a mac? |
| 20:39:29 | domonoky | meddows: if the util says is not supported its probably not formated.. maybe its a classic ? |
| 20:39:34 | meddows | nop, it was formatted with windows |
| 20:39:42 | domonoky | s/formated/supported |
| 20:39:46 | meddows | yes, i think its classic |
| 20:39:50 | meddows | but its formated, alright |
| 20:40:00 | Nico_P | hmm also the util is smart enough to warn aout mac formatted ipods |
| 20:40:02 | gevaerts | The one apple calls classic these days is 6th gen |
| 20:40:05 | meddows | so, classic doesn't support classic :X |
| 20:40:15 | domonoky | i meant the utils knows right... its a classic |
| 20:40:21 | domonoky | rockbox doesnt run on those |
| 20:40:32 | meddows | oh, i see... :| |
| 20:40:53 | meddows | that's really disappointing |
| 20:40:54 | meddows | lol |
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| 20:44:39 | Hillshum | please don't flood |
| 20:45:06 | * | gevaerts doesn't see flooding |
| 20:45:24 | Hillshum | okay |
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| 23:08:39 | pixelma | mcuelenaere: there is some simulation of the touchscreen interface using the mouse as input in a sim, is the "raster" system in the plugins also supposed to work with it? |
| 23:08:54 | mcuelenaere | yes |
| 23:09:07 | mcuelenaere | last time I tested it, it worked |
| 23:10:13 | mcuelenaere | what plugin(s) are you trying? |
| 23:10:48 | BigBambi | gevaerts: I'm having a quick play with the MM3 for the hell of it. Running meizu_dfu gets to the "Clearing status..." I release M, but nothing happens and "Clearing status..." is still there. Any ideas what I'm doing stupidly? Do I need to unplug the M3, or leave it plugged? |
| 23:11:44 | gevaerts | BigBambi: The "Clearing status..." is normal. That's because it's designed for the normal firmware upgrade |
| 23:12:04 | BigBambi | OK, so that just stays until I ctrl-c it |
| 23:12:18 | pixelma | mcuelenaere: hmm, I have some changes in pegbox.c and it only affects the touchscreen part by using defines instead of bmpheight_PEGBOX_BLAH so shouldn't change anything with the raster thing but in a d2 sim only the "cross" interface seems to work for me |
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| 23:13:37 | gevaerts | BigBambi: The correct procedure for testing right now: hold play+M (backlight flashes briefly), plug in, release play, but hold M. Now run "meizu_dfu m3 rockboot.ebn rockboot.ebn" (possibly with sudo). Once it says "Clearing status", release M. Interesting things should happen now |
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| 23:14:16 | pixelma | mcuelenaere: oh, and the other change is breaking too long lines in the code... ;) |
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| 23:14:28 | BigBambi | gevaerts: Hmm, I just did that (I think) (and yes, sudo is needed). Nothing happened, but I'll try again :) - probably a what pressign when issue |
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| 23:15:54 | mcuelenaere | hmm pixelma: could you give a diff? |
| 23:16:08 | BigBambi | gevaerts: Nope - it gets to Clearing status fine, but then nothing happens |
| 23:16:40 | mcuelenaere | pixelma: you say only the 'cross' mode seems to work, does the 'touchscreen' method work without your patch? |
| 23:16:56 | mcuelenaere | (you know you can press F4 to switch between the 2 modes?) |
| 23:16:56 | pixelma | mcuelenaere: the raster interface doesn't work for me in jewels too, and I remember gevaerts showing this on his d2 |
| 23:17:06 | pixelma | ah no... |
| 23:17:09 | mcuelenaere | :) |
| 23:17:14 | mcuelenaere | then that's your problem |
| 23:17:34 | gevaerts | BigBambi: are you building correctly? (112, bootloader) |
| 23:17:38 | BigBambi | yep |
| 23:17:52 | BigBambi | at rev 18801, it built fine |
| 23:18:22 | BigBambi | I'll try building again |
| 23:18:46 | BigBambi | There are lots of warning, but it builds ok |
| 23:18:50 | BigBambi | ls |
| 23:18:54 | BigBambi | oops! |
| 23:19:45 | mcuelenaere | pixelma: you're sure gevaerts showed you jewels in raster mode? |
| 23:19:57 | mcuelenaere | because I never made a patch for that game (yet) and I haven't seen anyone else do |
| 23:20:12 | pixelma | not anymore, but the pegbox changes are ok |
| 23:20:16 | * | gevaerts doesn't remember trying jewels on d2 |
| 23:20:24 | gevaerts | BigBambi: how big is rockboot.ebn? |
| 23:20:29 | pixelma | sorry, misremembered then |
| 23:20:33 | mcuelenaere | ok np :) |
| 23:20:41 | * | pixelma joins petur's demand |
| 23:20:51 | BigBambi | gevaerts: 43676 |
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| 23:21:10 | gevaerts | That's big... Here it's only 38156 |
| 23:21:16 | stevenm | Okay. The power saga freaking continues. |
| 23:21:22 | BigBambi | gevaerts: weird |
| 23:21:27 | gevaerts | And there are size issues. If it gets too big it stops working |
| 23:21:37 | BigBambi | I wonder why it is bigger here |
| 23:21:54 | stevenm | I thought AJB recorders were supposed to work at 4.8V. Mine is browning out and disk-stalling when battery input is 5V. |
| 23:22:03 | stevenm | What gives ? |
| 23:22:16 | Llorean | stevenm: Old batteries? |
| 23:22:23 | stevenm | Battery input is a good, clean 5V supply good to 1A |
| 23:22:28 | BigBambi | gevaerts: The only patches I have installed ar beast charging and c200 keymap - I can't see either of those affecting it |
| 23:22:33 | BigBambi | *are |
| 23:22:38 | stevenm | Llorean, nope |
| 23:22:51 | BigBambi | Still, I can try clean SVN |
| 23:22:59 | Llorean | stevenm: Have you checked the solder to make sure it's not cracked. I don't know exactly where, but I think that symptom relates to some cracked solder that's common. |
| 23:23:31 | gevaerts | BigBambi: is your build environment up to date? |
| 23:23:44 | stevenm | Llorean, yup, opened it last night. everything was fine. It's clearly not getting enough power- backlight is going dim, etc. |
| 23:24:03 | Llorean | stevenm: It may not be visible. |
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| 23:24:35 | BigBambi | gevaerts: Built 21/09/08 |
| 23:24:44 | gevaerts | That's new enough |
| 23:24:47 | BigBambi | using rockboxdev.sh |
| 23:25:11 | stevenm | Do I have to give the thing 6V? Even though they say specifically not to ?? |
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| 23:25:30 | Llorean | stevenm: Why on Earth would you do that? |
| 23:25:51 | ball | Do I need iTunes to put Rockbox on an iPod mini? |
| 23:25:59 | Llorean | stevenm: The charge goes into the batteries, then the batteries provide power to the player. The problem is occurring between the batteries and thep layer |
| 23:26:08 | Llorean | ball: No, that's why the manual makes no mention of requiring it. |
| 23:26:25 | stevenm | Llorean, because 5V seems to be insufficient to power it. Furthermore, when giving a battery input of 5V, RB claims battery is empty, when, in fact, 5V is 0.2V above the nominal voltage for a charge set |
| 23:26:57 | Llorean | stevenm: The power cable *only* charges the batteries. |
| 23:26:59 | stevenm | Llorean, the batteries are long busted, and so might be the charging circuit. That's just how I got it... I am now simply trying to power the device by putting 5V on the battery terminals |
| 23:27:04 | Llorean | It does not poewr the player directly. |
| 23:27:13 | ball | Llorean: okay, I'll see if I can find me a manual on-line somewhere then. |
| 23:27:19 | gevaerts | stevenm: can you measure the actual voltage it gets when running? |
| 23:27:23 | Llorean | stevenm: You should've mentioned you were bypassing the batteries. |
| 23:27:43 | gevaerts | ball: the manual is clearly linked from the website |
| 23:27:44 | ball | Llorean: aha! guessed the url first time :-) |
| 23:27:48 | Llorean | I believe rechargable AAs are 1.4V so you're looking at an expected 5.6 normally, right? |
| 23:27:52 | stevenm | Llorean, I thought I said battery input was 5V.. but fair enough |
| 23:27:57 | stevenm | gevaerts, will do in a moment |
| 23:28:01 | ball | gevaerts: I've just arrived there now. |
| 23:28:26 | Llorean | stevenm: You said "battery", how am I supposed to guess you mean "I've hooked a 5v line up to the battery terminals" rather than "I think the batteries are providing 5V" |
| 23:28:29 | BigBambi | gevaerts: Really weird - with a clean checkout I get 38156 - one of the installed patches must be interferring with it |
| 23:28:36 | pixelma | Llorean: I thought it was 1.2V but not sure at all |
| 23:28:59 | Llorean | pixelma: I thought the range is 1.4 down to 1.2, but I may be wrong? |
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| 23:29:45 | BigBambi | gevaerts: And now it works fine |
| 23:29:59 | Llorean | stevenm: Even then, though, the joint soldering could be affecting you. |
| 23:30:23 | Llorean | Even with full power from good batteries, you could get the symptoms you're describing. So directly providing the equivalent voltage of batteries could still cause such symptoms. |
| 23:30:28 | ball | How can I tell whether my iPod mini is first or second generation? |
| 23:31:37 | stevenm | gevaerts, it starts running at approximately 5.6V, and at this level, rockbox claims the battery is maybe 50% full. |
| 23:31:49 | markun | BigBambi: good to hear you are working on the meizu port now too! |
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| 23:31:57 | BigBambi | hah! |
| 23:32:10 | gevaerts | stevenm: ok. That means the power supply is ok |
| 23:32:14 | BigBambi | markun: I'm still trying to work out butons |
| 23:32:42 | BigBambi | markun: I've spent ages writing down various versions, but I still don't really have any good ideas |
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| 23:33:14 | markun | will be difficult |
| 23:33:42 | ball | I guess I have a 50/50 chance of picking the right one. |
| 23:33:44 | * | BigBambi awards markun an understatement prize :) |
| 23:33:55 | Llorean | ball: The Apple website should have details for identifying your iPod. |
| 23:36:48 | ball | I'm there now, but I'm seeing model numbers that start with M and mine seems to be an A1051 |
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| 23:37:45 | stevenm | ok seriously, why the hell won't it run on 5V? And why does rockbox think 5V is only 5% charge? |
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| 23:43:48 | stevenm | ok, enter the Enormous transient suppression cap. |
| 23:44:06 | stevenm | both in size and value |
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| 23:45:23 | ball | Well, I got rockbox on there, but the bootloader thing looks more difficult |
| 23:45:23 | bertrik | is it a stable 5V supply, or a "wall wart" configured at 5V? |
| 23:46:06 | stevenm | bertrik, a stable 5V, regulated down from an ATX supply's 12V by an LM2825-5.0 buck-boost regulator |
| 23:46:09 | stevenm | good to 1A |
| 23:46:31 | * | ball wanders off in search of an iBook to use |
| 23:46:31 | stevenm | showing no brownouts on the supply side.. at least ones I can pick up with a MM. No scope here to be sure though |
| 23:47:05 | Llorean | stevenm: If you squeeze the sides of the case, does it reboot? |
| 23:47:09 | stevenm | although i'll drag it into the lab and scope the HDD supply if I have to |
| 23:47:15 | stevenm | lessee.. |
| 23:47:35 | bertrik | does the current draw seem reasonable? |
| 23:48:06 | stevenm | Llorean, nope |
| 23:49:09 | stevenm | bertrik, 400-650mA |
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| 23:49:21 | stevenm | 150mA w/o disk spin |
| 23:50:33 | stevenm | bertrik, this isn't the disk it came with, though.. that was dead before i got it. could be the issue I guess... but I thought these disks were happy at 5V |
| 23:50:40 | bertrik | ok, doesn't look bad |
| 23:50:49 | stevenm | and that the disk is connected to battery directly, just thru a fet |
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| 23:51:29 | ball | Should I delete all of the music that iTunes put on this thing? |
| 23:51:31 | webguest01 | does anyone use mediacoder 6.0 to transcode video for sansa e200 |
| 23:52:48 | stevenm | what to do, what to do? |
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| 23:53:01 | ball | Ugh... can't seem to mount this |
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| 23:53:57 | stevenm | and it keeps doing that goddamn BATTERY LOW: SHUTTING DOWN thing |
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| 23:54:24 | stevenm | it's got a freaking 5V. how is that "Low"? That is, if anything, overly high by NiMH standards.. |
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| 23:55:08 | ball | Ugh. This iBook launches iTunes whenever I connect the iPod |
| 23:55:36 | ameyer | stevenm: could "low" be lazy programmer for "out of spec"? |
| 23:56:07 | ameyer | like, not actually expecting "too high"? |
| 23:56:22 | stevenm | ameyer, I doubt it, because the battery graph actually shows very little |
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| 23:58:45 | ameyer | ball: the HD capacity is etched on the back of the 2nd gen mini, the controls on the clickwheel are the same color as the body on the 2nd gen, and the 2nd gen mini's colors are brighter |
| 23:58:59 | ameyer | ball: also, if it's gold, it's 1st gen |
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