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#rockbox log for 2008-10-15

00:00:07fluoblackno I doesn't
00:00:25linuxstbWe said that to you when you were last here - ipodpatcher requires a working ipod
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00:03:36bertrikfunman, I'm quite confident you'll figure out the sd/mmc stuff, I'll try to read up some on the PL180
00:04:21funmanAt the moment I'm out of ideas, I believed there was some GPIO pin to set high, but can't find anything near the SD code in the OF
00:05:17bertrikI think linux has a PL180 driver, we may get some ideas from there too
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00:05:45funmanwhen the initialization procedure is finished ;)
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00:05:54funmanbertrik: the Linux driver is in drivers/mmc/host/mmci.c
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00:07:23funmanbertrik: do you want to look at the Clip OF for SD/MMC code ?
00:07:39funmanmaybe you could spot the missing bit
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00:09:00bertrikfunman, I'd rather read the PL180 and SD documentation a bit more
00:09:41funmangood reading then ;)
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00:11:15bertrikBTW, I wonder about CMD0, For another project I'm using SD cards in SPI mode and CMD0 could take quite a while, but in your code it succeeds in the first try already?
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00:32:44Hillshumi've rolled an e200v2 bootloader from git, but how do i then patch a e200.bin with it?
00:33:34Lloreanamiconn: Around?
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00:38:51linuxstbHillshum: Read the Makefile in rbutil/mkamsboot/
00:39:01linuxstbOr just type "make" in that directory.
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00:40:16*Hillshum will once his gigabeat build is testing something
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00:49:07amiconnLlorean: yes
00:49:26linuxstbHillshum: Just use "make" instead of "$(MAKE)"
00:50:13Lloreanamiconn: FS #9489 might be of interest to you. Seems to be caused / affected by a semi-recent commit about one of the WM chips.
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00:53:55amiconnLlorean: r18478 fixes a plain bug in the .h file. If this causes unwanted frequency resposne, it shows that we actually do not want deephasis
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00:54:30amiconnIirc the deephasis activation was introduced way earlier by jhMikeS, just that it didn't actually work before r18478
00:57:31amiconnIt was introduced in r14948, a little over a year ago
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00:59:52LloreanWell, the poster claims that at one point Rockbox showed a flat response?
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01:04:25amiconnActually I don't understand why jhMikeS (tried to) enable deemphasis setting. It definitely didn't work for roughly 11 months. The deemphasis setting for 44.1kHz ended up as no deemphasis at all due to being shifted 1 bit too far to the left. This touched the mute bit instead, but didn't cause actual muting because the bit was overridden afterwards (otherwise this bug would have shown up in a quite obvious way...)
01:04:27n1sLlorean: judging from the pic in his last post there was an emphasis in the higher frequencies before, at least it doesn't look flat to me...
01:05:05Lloreann1s: Look at the original post, though.
01:05:15Lloreanat some point there was no emphasis, then it went up, then down.
01:09:02Hillshumrbutil/mkamsboot/sansav2_dualboot.S (v2 git) says C6 e200 down is read for dual boot, but it doesn't do anything
01:10:38Hillshumwhat is the button for dualboot?
01:13:04linuxstbThe dualboot button detection doesn't work for me either (SVN dualboot.S on the Clip). You could try either powering on with USB attached, or turning HOLD on.
01:14:03Hillshumive tried hold
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01:18:35dany_21a_hi Hillshum, i actually tried the recent bootloader vor the e200v2 today -> works
01:18:44dany_21a_the button is "down"
01:18:55Hillshumwhen do i push it then
01:19:17dany_21a_while powereing up... where did you get? OF or RB?
01:19:42HillshumRB same as allways
01:20:03dany_21a_the blinking leds?
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01:21:30Hillshumlatest git?
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01:22:30dany_21a_what happens if you connect USB and than power up?
01:23:02HillshumUSB will power it to OF
01:23:59_ICE_I'm looking for someone who has pacbox working correctly
01:24:20dany_21a_have you correctly specified the model when calling make which invokes mkamsboot?
01:24:33Hillshumgotta go
01:25:44_ICE_Perhaps someone can help me.
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01:27:48linuxstb_ICE_: Perhaps you should just ask your question?
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01:29:30_ICE_I kinda did
01:30:18_ICE_Oh, hang on, I found the problem
01:30:24_ICE_Nevermind then.
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01:33:18Lars_GWhy no wiki up the site in general and let the community move stuff
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01:36:26linuxstbLars_G: Almost all the site is in the wiki. The remaining pages are in SVN, and are mostly generated dynamically.
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01:38:01Lars_Gok makes sense
01:38:25Lars_GSo, linuxstb do you think we can get the rockbox devs into the git fad?
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01:44:16scorche|shLars_G: you certainly wouldnt be the first to try...
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01:46:10Lars_Gscorche|sh: I wonder if the rest are alive
01:46:34LloreanIt's after midnight for a large percentage of 'em
01:46:39LloreanAnd "Ot" was a typo
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02:09:09Lars_GWhat was the original idea Llorean ?
02:10:16LloreanLars_G: What original idea?
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02:13:20Lars_GLlorean: If Ot was a typo, what was the original meaning?
02:14:22Llorean"It", the beginning of my next sentence.
02:14:28LloreanI bumped the Enter key while going for backspace.
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04:23:41saratogaLear: I know nothing about MP4 parsing, but its hard to believe they intend a seek table to be needed
04:24:16saratogaI'd imagine something like we use for ASF where we walk the bitstream looking for the packet we want would work
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04:44:12allelefor building with cygwin, all I need to do is install the newest version and run the automatic build script, correct? (then follow the standard configure make process)
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07:06:42DiggmanI am wondering if a rockboxed gigabeat f is compatable with linux
07:08:35Diggmanso if i stick it on my computer with linux it will be reconised
07:08:44Diggmanand i can put songs on it
07:09:33Diggmanstop playing with me I am one click away from buying it
07:10:13Diggmanseriosly Iam about to buy a gigabeat F 40GB , but i have linux
07:10:55advcomp2019yes you can
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07:11:37DiggmanI can add and drop music with rockbox on linux...great
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07:16:03*scorche wonders if saying "sure" no longer means "yes"
07:16:53cool_walking_It does have a higher possibility of sounding like sarcasm than "yes".
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07:18:18ameyerit'd still require a computer with lunix
07:18:22ameyererm... linux
07:19:20advcomp2019i wonder too, scorche
07:21:09cool_walking_It can also sound like "sure, whatever" i.e. just a dismissive statement.
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07:40:02intradossorry to be such a noob but where would i find the album art patch etc?
07:42:57scorchethe album art patch that was accepted into SVN a while back?
07:43:02B4gderwhich patch is that?
07:43:15*B4gder is slooow
07:43:17intradosmaybe. i'm trying to use alternate themes but album art never shows up
07:43:31intradosi'm using one of the recent daily builds
07:44:41scorchehave you looked at the AlbumArt wiki page to see if you might be doing something wrong?
07:45:56intradosoh. i'm looking at that now and for some reason i thought all the image files had to be jpg
07:46:29intradosthanks. i couldn't find that wiki page
07:46:36intradostime to mogrify
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08:55:25amiconnB4gder/ Zagor: Could you perhaps give the script that shows the SVN revisions on the webpage an option to not let it limit the maximum number of files, and then set that option for tables where only one SVN revision is shown?
08:56:36*amiconn also wonders what Zagor did to the builds...
08:57:39Zagortables where only one revision is shown? where to we have such a table?
08:57:46B4gdersomething is wrong
08:58:02B4gderit seems no server wants to build the mrobe500 build
08:58:21amiconnZagor: E.g. when clicking on the build timestamp in the build table
08:59:00B4gderthat is not always one revision though
08:59:01Zagoramiconn: ah, ok. good idea.
08:59:12Zagorno but it makes sense to show all files there
08:59:22B4gderI agree
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09:01:18B4gderthe build will now restart
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09:13:10amiconnB4gder: How/ where shall I upload the 3.0.1 binaries, and the flash images (after testing as far as possible)?
09:13:29amiconn@rbutil experts: What is needed to make rbutil install 3.0.1 on archos?
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09:20:23B4gderI would suggest we also provide manuals and voices for the 3.0.1
09:20:48B4gderso that we can make the link go to release/3.0.1 on the site for all content
09:21:02B4gderpossibly we can copy the 3.0 ones
09:21:16amiconnThe manuals need a bit of work (the flashing chapter). The voices need no change at all
09:21:34B4gderamiconn: easiest approach if you put the files somewhere for me to download
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10:33:22markunDoes anyone here have iTunes installed? I'm looking for some iTunes generated MP3 files to fix gapless playback.
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11:55:58JdGordonmarkun: you want someone with itunes?
11:58:12*linuxstb wonders about the naming of metadata/mp3.[ch] - it's not ideal...
11:58:23markunJdGordon: I want some MP3 files :)
11:58:45markunlinuxstb: indeed. Not only MP3 uses ID3
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11:59:04linuxstbmarkun: And it's also layer-1 and layer-2...
11:59:30linuxstbDo we actually support id3 on other formats, or just detect and skip it?
11:59:34JdGordonmarkun: obviously that would be illegal :p
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12:19:42Zagorlinuxstb: I simply followed the name scheme of the other files in that directory
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12:20:49linuxstbZagor: The others are (mostly) named after container formats, not codecs.
12:21:45JdGordonalso should the mp3entry struct eventually be renamed?
12:21:59ZagorJdGordon: I think so, yes.
12:22:35Zagorlinuxstb: what do you suggest it be called instead?
12:22:47JdGordonlinuxstb: that patch I asked about on monday.. looks ok to go in?
12:22:54JdGordonZagor: metadata :p
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12:23:32ZagorJdGordon: the struct can very well be called 'metadata'. but I was referring to the file currently named mp3.c
12:23:54linuxstbZagor: Could it be further split into the id3 handling (id3.c?) and mpeg audio handling (mpa.c?) At the very least I think it should be mpa.c (same as the codec), not mp3.c
12:24:05linuxstb(because it's not layer-3 only)
12:24:11ZagorI'm fine with mpa
12:26:24linuxstbJdGordon: You're talking about the patch to move events in apps?
12:26:50linuxstbIt looked fine to me, but I know nothing about events in Rockbox - I've never dealt with them.
12:28:35Zagorlinuxstb: what specifically would you like to move out into an mpeg audio file? as far as I can see mp3.c is only id3 code already. all mpeg frame and header code is in mp3data.c
12:29:07linuxstbZagor: Maybe I misread then - I only had a quick look, but it seemed to be reading mpeg frame headers.
12:29:56Zagoronly to find the id3 frame, I think
12:32:42linuxstbOK. BTW, is this cleanup leading to something else, like a database lib? ;)
12:32:57Zagorthat's the idea, yeah
12:33:36ZagorGodEater's frustration with #8499 was what triggered me
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14:17:57LambdaCalculus37I'm glad it works properly as a universal binary. :)
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15:40:19GodEaterallegedly it used to be worse
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15:46:25linuxstbNico_P: ping ;)
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15:46:45GodEaterhadn't Nico_P already done his stint in the trenches ? :)
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15:47:11linuxstbIt's a long war...
15:47:20LambdaCalculus37GodEater: Looks like he's getting called back into active duty. ;)
15:47:28GodEaterespecially if you're being forced to fight it all on your own
15:47:30GodEaterpoor Nico
15:48:04Nico_Plinuxstb: I never touched any of the recording parts
15:48:17linuxstbNico_P: I was looking at the strip_tags() function, and "svn blame" says you added it to playback.c But I think that may be wrong, lostlogic seems to have written the actual function (now in metadata.c)
15:48:46linuxstbNico_P: My question was simply why strip_tags() is done like it is, and not done as part of get_metadata() before the track is buffered.
15:49:33linuxstbIIUC, the data is buffered, and then discarded.
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15:52:01Nico_Pget_metadata is separate from the buffering stuff
15:52:19linuxstbYes, I know. But get_metadata could return the corrected filesize.
15:52:41linuxstbi.e. how much of the file to buffer (bytes to skip at start, and total length).
15:53:04Nico_Phmm yes, maybe that could work
15:53:50linuxstbI think there's already a "bytestoskip" variable (or similar), but maybe it's used in a codec-dependant way.
15:55:22Nico_Plinuxstb: where is strip_tags called from?
15:55:29linuxstbOnly once, in playback.c
15:55:50Nico_Pah yes, got it
15:55:55linuxstbWith the comment "This is most likely an audio handle, so we strip the useless..."
15:56:01linuxstbNot reassuring ;)
15:56:03amiconnThere's also some metadata to strip off the end
15:57:56linuxstbYes, that's what strip_tags does - strips tags from the end
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18:15:09testing123hey anyone home?
18:15:32testing123I just updated my ihp-120 to rockbox 3, and some weird stuff happened
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18:16:29Lloreantesting123: Do you mean the release version 3.0?
18:16:38LloreanAnd not "a current build from after 3.0"?
18:16:47testing123I tried release 3.0 and the latest build, same weirdness
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18:17:15LloreanYou need to be more specific. Not only with what version you're using, but because I can't guess what "weirdness" means.
18:17:26testing123I'll explain right now
18:17:50testing123The archive unzipped to just a .rockbox directory, and it failed to boot with bootloader result -1
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18:18:03LloreanIt's supposed to be like that.
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18:18:09LloreanI'm guessing you haven't updated your bootloader in a very long time.
18:18:22testing123Oh, that could be it
18:18:31LloreanWe moved rockbox.iriver into the .rockbox folder over a year ago.
18:18:59testing123IC, and the old bootloader doesn't know to look there?
18:19:12testing123that explains it, thanks
18:19:21LloreanWe updated the bootloader, waited quite some time until we felt a high percentage of people would've updated their bootloaders, then changed where it was.
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18:19:41testing123I have an old ihp_120.hex that's already patched, can I patch it again with the new bootloader?
18:19:51LloreanYou should use an unpatched one.
18:20:30testing123hmm, I hope iriver still have it for download, I don't know if I have a copy here
18:20:57LambdaCalculus37We have mirrors of the files.
18:21:21testing123Oh, cool
18:21:59testing123Of course I changed to rockbox because the iriver firmware sucked so tragically anyway :P
18:24:21testing123it was cool that you got the recording to wav working, I have many band bootlegs thanks to you guys
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18:31:43testing123I got the latest firmware and patched it, will try flashing it later once I've got the AC adaptor
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18:32:01testing123thanks for the support :)
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18:58:48wpyhmarkun: speaking of fonts −− please try 18-Adobe-Helvetica, and then navigate to the main menu
18:59:10wpyhI think there is a problem with the "k" −− it connects to the "c" on "Rockbox"
18:59:11markunwpyh: ok, I will
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18:59:57markunwpyh: ok, now what?
19:00:21markunah yes, I see it
19:00:38markunalso the u and m are too far appart
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19:01:01wpyhah, yes, I didn't notice the u and m before
19:01:20wpyhis it a pristine font?
19:01:43markunI think so, but we've edited font withs of other fonts as well
19:01:46gevaertsSo on average it's OK?
19:02:46markungevaerts: yes, the average is, but not the average error
19:03:22*gevaerts is not a statistician ;)
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19:08:41wpyhmarkun: the "k" is positioned too far to the left...
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19:23:23wpyhmarkun: I've made a patch for this problem
19:23:33wpyhshould I post it to flyspray or just put it up on pastebin
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19:25:37wpyhmarkun: the patch is currently at . please take a look
19:25:55LambdaCalculus37wpyh: Add it to Flyspray as well.
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19:30:02wpyhok, I've created FS #9491 for it
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20:23:31dany_21a_hi all, can i somehow configure in the for the e200v2 target, that the compiler arranges all variable-locations, stack, etc after a certain address? I never worked with those .lds configuration-files
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20:40:47amiconnbluebrother/ domonoky: there?
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20:42:50syn4pseI can't seem to duplicate a crash in the simulator that I get on my player. grr.
20:43:36gevaertssyn4pse: what sort of crash
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20:44:07syn4psewell, the screen flashes and turns off the player
20:44:19linuxstbdany_21a_: What do you want to do? The linker does that (not the compiler), but the code itself is loaded at a fixed address, so you may also need to relocate parts (in crt0.S)
20:44:33syn4psei'm trying to see if i'm missing some bounds checking but i haven't found it yet
20:45:11linuxstbsyn4pse: Is this in a plugin you're writing?
20:45:39syn4pseyes, it's #8647 but i don't have the newest update there yet
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20:45:51linuxstbStack overflow?
20:46:00amiconnbluebrother/ domonoky: Do we need to do something special so that rbuitl will install 3.0.1 on archos when it's published?
20:46:14syn4pseit could be, i'm pretty new at this
20:46:41linuxstbDo you declare any large (bigger than a few KB) local variables? The stack is only about 8KB
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20:47:02bluebrotherhmm. The latest release is in rbutil.ini, and that number is global.
20:47:06domonokyyes, modifcations in rbutil :-)
20:47:26linuxstbbluebrother / domonoky: Same question, but for the bootloaders n1s is working on releasing...
20:47:34syn4psethat might be it. i have an 80x80 array <duck> that i'd like to get rid of except it's very highly populated
20:47:42syn4pseof char
20:47:48bluebrotherso if we only release 3.0.1 for archos we need to handle this in some way ... might be a good chance to make it retrieve that information from the webserver?
20:47:51gevaertsActually, is there a reason for rbutil to install the current build when doing a full install?
20:47:57domonokylinuxstb: new bootloaders are now problem, it just installs what is on the server
20:47:58bluebrotherlinuxstb: no special handling needed for that
20:48:08gevaertssyn4pse: can you make that global instead?
20:48:10linuxstbWhat about md5 checking?
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20:48:20*amiconn still needs to solve the flash image versioning mess
20:48:23*linuxstb saw a file on the download server with md5 checksums
20:48:28syn4pseoh, well it is global, and i even made it static
20:48:32amiconnFortunately it will simplify the flashing plugins
20:48:37bluebrotherwell, we could of course make rbutil always release a release "current" that simply links to the most recent. But that would break displaying the version number of the release
20:48:37syn4psei pass it in with a pointer
20:48:37gevaertsThat's not the issue then
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20:49:17*bluebrother thinks retrieving the latest release version number from the webserver would be a good thing
20:49:34domonokylinuxstb: the only really need md5sums are for the iriver bootloaders, for those we need a new rbutil release..
20:50:05domonokythe md5sum on the server are only hint to rbutil, to detect if there are new bootloaders there...
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20:50:27*gevaerts thinks that a complete install should be the release
20:50:31dany_21a_linuxstb: hey... only for debugging purposes, i already managed to relocate one big function at runtime and jump to it - but stack and some global variables are lying in the area which i want to use for remaping other memory - so i need to define stack begins after 0xsomewhere
20:51:08amiconnSeems like [IDC]Dragon was a bit lazy wrt of flash image versioning. Some of the old images are V.0, some are V.1
20:51:13dany_21a_linuxstb: where can i find/search documentaion, how this - script works?
20:51:21amiconnV.0 is not really defined, but can be relied upon
20:51:24syn4psegevaerts: i got rid of the typdef struct :)
20:51:55gevaertsdany_21a_: I think that you just need to put ". = 0xaddress" just before the block you want to move, like th stack
20:51:56linuxstbdany_21a_: There are many such files in the Rockbox source code (under firmware/target/) - they may give you a clue. Or google for "gnu linker scripts"
20:52:41gevaertssyn4pse: good :) Now make it work!
20:52:52syn4pseyeah, that will be the ticket
20:53:41domonokyso if we release a 3.0.1 only for the old archos ones, we need to modify rbutil. shouldnt be too hard.. but getting the last release version from the server would be even better...
20:54:28bluebrotherwe already retrieve various info things from the server. I'd also like it better to only retrieve a single file instead of several (as we have now)
20:54:51bluebrotherbut that seems to be necessary due to and being different servers
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20:54:53dany_21a_okay, thx gevaerts and linuxstb, will google for that
20:55:04saratogaany reason the ipod accessory patch hasn't been commited?
20:55:21domonokymaybe someone with the needed server script skills can unify all those infos ? :-)
20:56:55syn4pseok i had a local static variable[2000], i'll move that out to global
20:57:11syn4pse<crosses fingers>
20:58:15linuxstbsaratoga: No idea - it's never really been discussed here. Is it harmless?
20:59:05linuxstbsyn4pse: If it was static, then it wouldn't be on the stack. So maybe the problem is elsewhere (i.e. not a stack overflow)
20:59:48syn4pseit probably is, i got a tip to make that variable static once before to avoid the stack issues
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21:00:03syn4psethought i was on to something :(
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21:00:29gevaertsNot allocating that sort of sizes on the stack is always good
21:00:49intradosis there a preferred/default size that i should use for album art?
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21:01:23linuxstbintrados: It's specific to the theme you're using.
21:01:25BigBambiintrados: The same size as the WPS that you are using requires
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21:08:24intradosis that in the cfg file?
21:09:29saratogalinuxstb: i'm not sure, I haven't tried it
21:09:40saratogabut everyone seems to use it, and linus seemed to think it was nearly done
21:09:52gevaertsintrados: it's in the .wps file, or if you're running a recent build (last week or so, I'm not sure exactly) it's also in the rockbox info screen under System
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21:10:17gevaertslinuxstb, saratoga: I haven't seen any reports of it causing trouble at least
21:11:09*linuxstb adds committing that patch to Mr Someone's to-do list
21:18:32intradosit seems like several of the themes which are supposed to have album art don't according to system>info
21:18:54intradosdoes that make sense? am i missing something?
21:19:12gevaertsWhich revision are you running?
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21:20:08intradosr18805-0814 on a sansa e280
21:20:53*ameyer bets that the themes that intrados is having trouble with haven't been upgraded since before the last major theme-breaking commit
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21:21:31gevaertsThat's new enough for the info screen to have album art size info
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21:21:58gevaertsDo these themes work properly apart from the album art?
21:22:28intradosuh, not exactly. the aeromac theme that i tried is missing everything but the text
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21:23:07gevaertsOK. That means they are outdated like ameyer suggested
21:23:22*gevaerts isn't a WPS specialist, so he can't help more
21:23:34intradosokay. so there's nothing to do but wait? can anyone suggest themes that are up to date?
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21:26:09gevaertsDidn't some people fix most of the themes on the wiki?
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21:27:53intradosnot sure. i've been getting themes from
21:28:11Lloreanintrados: That site isn't intended for use.
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21:28:58webguest70Hey could anyone get me write access to the wiki? My account is ThomasMurray
21:29:32intradosoh, really? where would i go to find themes then?
21:30:25gevaertswebguest70: I'm on it. Just curious, what are you planning to do?
21:30:38webguest70just upload a theme
21:30:42Lloreanintrados: There's a link to them from the "Extras" page on our side.
21:31:38gevaertswebguest70: done. Now no spamming! ;)
21:32:24intradosLlorean: thanks. what is the other site for then?
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21:33:10gevaertsintrados: it used to be the themes site, but because of various issues it's not updated anymore.
21:33:19Lloreangevaerts: It was never the official themes site.
21:33:41LloreanIt used to be an unofficial themes site. We're planning to reintroduce it as an official one, but it's not working properly yet, and all the themes are outdated anyway for the moment.
21:33:45intradoseither way, that's the first result for rockbox themes on google
21:34:34Lloreanintrados: We can't control google...
21:34:45intradosi know
21:35:00intradosbut can't you include a link or something on that page?
21:35:36LloreanI would think that the fact that it's not at would be a clue right there it's not official.
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21:46:08lwizardli'm not if rockbox is compatible with my Ipod video
21:46:32linuxstbWhat's the disk capacity?
21:46:34johwilmarkun: Are you there?
21:46:40lwizardlI have a 30GB Ipod Video (Black case) and i'm tired of the database error 36
21:47:08linuxstbThen yes, that should be compatible with Rockbox.
21:47:13scorche|shif rockbox was not compatible with your device, it simply wouldnt work
21:47:44lwizardlok it wouldn't start then fail and leave me with a bricked device
21:47:58linuxstbNo, it wouldn't install at all
21:48:08lwizardlok good
21:48:30scorche|shand ipods cant realyl be bricked unless you get pretty creative
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21:50:49domonokyor use a hammer :-)
21:50:52lwizardlscorche|sh, never tried it, i've just had to use itunes to get some podcasts i like and now most linux apps seem to fail read/write to my ipod
21:51:09lwizardlbut after i formated it to fat32 no more issues, its just weird
21:53:43lwizardlthanks for the information i'm going to give rockbox a try
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21:57:57BoopopCan someone help me with the themes on Rockbox on a 80Gb iPod video?
21:58:17linuxstbWhat's your question?
21:58:23BoopopI installed Rockbox 3.0, and the theme looks nothing like that on wikipedia
21:58:39BoopopThe menus are very dull, and the now playing screen doesn't show the album art or anything
21:59:02BoopopI've tried other themes but the same thing happens pretty much
21:59:12linuxstbSounds like you're using old themes - where did you download them from?
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21:59:21linuxstb(old = broken)
21:59:45BoopopWell the theme that came with it didn't work
21:59:47scorche|shBoopop: you need to have your album art arranged a certain way...the AlbumArt wiki page goes into this
21:59:52scorche|sh"didnt work"?
22:00:06Horschtalso, do you have your album art named correctly?
22:00:19Boopopthe menu screens were lifeless, and the now playing screen looks nothing like this
22:00:40BoopopI'm not bothered about the album art, just the fact that all I get for a menu is a solid colour and a tny font
22:00:48scorche|shBoopop: i dont knwo what you mean by "lifeless" and what *does* it look like?
22:01:05scorche|shBoopop: go and select the default theme again
22:01:11linuxstbBoopop: When you installed Rockbox, did you install the fonts?
22:01:41BoopopNo because it didn't say I needed them as I was using the build
22:01:42BoopopI think
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22:02:25BigBambiYou need to install the fonts
22:02:38BoopopRelease version even
22:02:53Boopop"The release version, on the other hand, does not change, so fonts are included with it."
22:02:57BigBambiBut the default theme (cabbie2) should have the font included
22:03:22scorche|shand it should look like that...try selecting it again from the theme menu as i said before
22:03:23*gevaerts thinks we should just start over again. This conversation is getting too confused
22:03:42BigBambiHave you set up album art as described on ?
22:03:55BoopopHold on
22:04:40Boopopah nevermind, it seems to have sorted itself out
22:04:55BoopopThanks :0
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22:06:29BoopopOk, next question
22:06:41BigBambiThe manual
22:06:42BoopopWhy does my music sometimes just refuse to play
22:06:48BoopopIE I press play and nothing happens
22:07:01BigBambiIn file view or database?
22:07:03Boopopand why sometimes does the thing emit a high pitched noise
22:07:05scorche|shwhat are you trying to play?
22:07:10Boopopand the I'll restart it and it works
22:07:22BigBambiTurn key click off if it is on
22:07:33linuxstbYou don't start playing tracks with the "play" button - you use select (the middle button).
22:07:42BoopopI know that
22:08:00linuxstbYou said " IE I press play and nothing happens"
22:08:02scorche|shwell, you said "i press play", so...
22:08:10BoopopI press select on the piece of music I want
22:08:11linuxstbWhich is to be expected...
22:08:26BoopopNothing happens, I press play, still nothing happens, I press it again, still nothing >.<
22:08:35BigBambiBoopop: Press select, not play
22:08:42scorche|shwe just went over dont press play
22:09:01BoopopAnd I just went over it also "<Boopop> I press select on the piece of music I want"
22:09:02BigBambiBoopop: Then please try to be accurate, we can only go by what you say, we can't guess what you mean
22:09:08BoopopThen nothing happens
22:09:12scorche|shthen stop saying play...
22:09:13BigBambiStop saying you press play when you mean select
22:09:14massiveHrockbox is not aerosmith, you don't "just press play"
22:09:21BigBambiIt is just confusing
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22:10:19BoopopI press play on the piece of music I want to listen to, in the Database view. Then the now playing screen appears and nothing happens. I then pause and restart the song with the play/pause button and it still doesn't play.
22:10:24Boopopshit, lol
22:10:35BigBambiSTOP SAYING PLAY
22:10:35BoopopI press select on the piece of music I want to listen to*
22:10:38*BigBambi gives up
22:11:05gevaertsBoopop: try turning off key clicks like BigBambi suggested
22:11:10massiveHthe play button will resume a song that you stopped playing, not start a song you have selected, that is why you use the select key
22:11:23scorche| the now playing screen appears? said that "nothing happened" at matters
22:11:41BoopopMeh, nevermind, thanks for the help - What about the sreeching I get sometimes when I switch it on?
22:11:53scorche|sh13:11 < gevaerts> Boopop: try turning off key clicks like BigBambi suggested
22:12:11BoopopKeyclicks would fix both problems?
22:12:15Boopopturning it off that is
22:12:24BigBambiBoopop: If you want help, you really need to give us info. We aren't psychic and we can't guess
22:12:25scorche|shno...keyclicks was suggested for your screeching issue
22:12:30BigBambiBoopop: no, the screeching
22:12:36Boopopah ok, thanks
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22:13:13BigBambiIs it the same files each time that fail to play?
22:13:24BoopopI restart it and they'll work
22:13:36advcomp2019Boopop, do they have DRM on them?
22:13:46scorche|shadvcomp2019: then they wouldnt work at all
22:13:53BigBambiAnd what happens, EXACTLY, when you try to play them?
22:14:01*gevaerts wouldn't be entirely surprised if the keyclicks issue and the not-playing are related
22:14:19scorche|shand please dont say "nothing happens"...say exactly what does happen without leaving out details like the WPS shows
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22:14:33BoopopI press select on the piece of music I want to listen to, in the Database view. Then the now playing screen appears and nothing happens, the time elapsed stat and the progress bar doesn't move. I then pause and restart the song with the play/pause button and it still doesn't play.
22:14:36BigBambiAnyone agree that keyclicks should be disabled until someone fixes them? They only cause issues.
22:14:59BigBambiAnd does the correct info for the song appear?
22:15:06HorschtBigBambi, i was under the impression they were disabled by default...
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22:15:27Horschtanyways, yeah they should be disabled
22:15:29BigBambiHorscht: What is the point of being able to enable them if they don't work and just cause issues...
22:15:46gevaertsI think it may be worth it to update the release for that
22:15:54massiveHBoopop, was this after removing it from your PC?
22:16:04Horschtdunno, I never noticed them to not work, because I find keyclicks anyoing anyways :)
22:16:06BigBambiBoopop: Is it always the same type of song? e.g. format?
22:16:09BigBambimassiveH: eh?
22:16:37BoopopNot quite sure BigBambi, I think I've so far only experienced it with mp3s, but I might be wrong
22:16:40massiveHBigBambi, I sometimes have it not playback songs (mp3) when disconnecting from PC and trying to play sometihng, I need to reboot to get it to play
22:17:02massiveHany song, not just the one I just placed on my player (H340)
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22:17:15BigBambiCan we all try and avoid using "it" and instead be specific? It would be a lot less confusing
22:17:20gevaertsmassiveH: it's certainly not that on ipod
22:17:30*gevaerts apologises to BigBambi
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22:17:54BigBambigevaerts: :P I meant in any remotely non-clear way :)
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22:19:46massiveHBigBambi, iriver h340
22:20:04BigBambimassiveH: Are you trying to confuse me?
22:20:12massiveHno, it is the iriver h340
22:20:16BigBambiWhat is?
22:20:22massiveHthe "it"
22:20:36*BigBambi goes away to count to ten
22:20:52Horschtit is not nice to be so rude to him :p
22:20:58pixelma+1 for disabling the keyclicks on probably all portalplayer targets (heard the problem on my c200, know of problems on Ipod, not sure about H10 or M:Robe 100 though)
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22:21:27BigBambiHorscht: I didn't mean it to be, I was aiming that at the world in general
22:21:38linuxstbBy disable, we're talking about #if 0 in the source?
22:22:03BigBambiYes, I was meaning completely
22:22:22BigBambiI don't see the point in letting people enable them if they don't work and cause screeching
22:23:05linuxstbOr Mr Someone can fix it...
22:23:10Horschtanyways, I don't seem to be able to re-create Boobops issue on my Ipod 80GB 5.5G
22:23:19Horschtinteresting enough, he left already, though
22:23:36BigBambilinuxstb: Heh. I was working on the assumption that that may not happen for a while :)
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22:25:11HorschtI am not using release 3, though. I am running rev 18800
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22:26:16pixelmapondlife asked about disabling keyclicks on portalplayer again (since he has a c200 as well and could hear it), he invented them I believe...
22:27:04pixelmait = the beep of death ;)
22:27:26n1sBagder: I think the new ipod bootloaders and ipodpatchers in FS9369 are good to go
22:27:29Horschti'd disable "them" until "they" ar fixed
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22:29:15Bagdern1s: the 30 sep ones you put there?
22:29:39n1sBagder: yes, anf the ipodpatchers further down
22:30:14Bagderyou know what the version number is of the existing ipod bootloaders?
22:30:27*gevaerts wants Bagder's opinion on whether the keyclicks issue is serious enough for a 3.0.x update
22:30:39*Llorean thinks it is.
22:30:41n1sthe ones on the download server are v2.0 now (ipodpatcher is also v2.0
22:30:59Bagdern1s: ok, I'm creating a "2.0" subdir and move them into that then, just in case
22:31:09n1sthe new ones are v3.0 (both bootloaders and patchers
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22:31:16n1sBagder: good idea
22:32:23linuxstbn1s: Can you also upload all the bootloaders in a file? The ipodpatcher build instructions refer to it existing, but it seems to have disappeared from the download server (or some of them...)
22:32:29amiconnBagder: How do I tag a version as 3.0.1?
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22:32:54n1slinuxstb: ok
22:32:57pixelmaIIRC pondlife also looked into fixing the keyclick issue but seems he wasn't successfull
22:33:02Bagderamiconn: you do svn cp of the dir to tags/v3.0.1
22:33:17BagderI can do that
22:33:48amiconnI've just committed yet another change to the branch (necessary for proper warning about outdated flash images)
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22:34:17Bagderand that's the current one we want taggde then?
22:34:17n1slinuxstb, Bagder should I add that zip to the task too?
22:34:18amiconnBut when I build now, I get r18817-3.0-081015 instead of r18817-3.0.1-081015
22:34:30Bagdern1s: sure, that's the easiest
22:34:41amiconnI think so - but there's that discussion about PP keyclick...
22:34:51Bagderah right
22:34:55linuxstbAh, good idea - we could disable it in 3.0.1...
22:35:16amiconnNot sure how long that will take though - and I want to get this flash stuff out the door...
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22:35:48n1sBagder: added
22:36:07saratoga2Bagder: any chance of that front page update i've agitated for?
22:36:33linuxstbIs this the "beep" setting?
22:36:38BeChrisHello everybody
22:37:04*amiconn wonders what to do now
22:38:43Bagdern1s: they're all present on the download master server now
22:39:08n1sBagder: great! :) now on to the other targets :)
22:39:33pixelmalinuxstb: no, "Keyclick" in "General settings > System". Beep is a beep on track change I believe
22:40:01linuxstbpixelma: Ah yes, I see it....
22:40:12ameyeryou know, you could always push the bootloaders as 3.0.1 and push the keyclick fix back to 3.0.2
22:40:13linuxstbSeems there is no #define already in place for it though...
22:40:42ameyerperhaps add a new "known issue" to the documentation
22:41:02amiconnThis keyclick is useless at best... because it's way out of sync with the actual keypresses
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22:41:37linuxstbamiconn: You're thinking about just getting rid of it on all targets?
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22:42:12funmandany_21a_: hi, I see you started working on the e200v2 port ? ;)
22:42:18amiconnI'm thinking that we should probably remove it for all targets as a 3.0.1, and replace it with a working version in the trunk. This requires rework of the pcm output, I think
22:42:35amiconnSomething that would be good for other things as well, e.g. working voice while paused
22:44:09n1sameyer: the bootloader versions are in fact independent from rockbox version and each other :)
22:44:34*amiconn is tempted to tag the current branch revision as 3.0.1 and build it, in order to be able to proceed with the flashing stuff
22:44:49amiconnBut then the keyclick thing would need to become 3.0.2 afaiu
22:45:04ameyeramiconn: would that be the end of the world?
22:45:11n1samiconn: should I build bootloaders for other targets from the same rev of the branch as i did for the ipods or should i go with the latest?
22:45:32amiconnI don't think it matters
22:45:43amiconnDid you check what changes went into the branch since then?
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22:47:37n1samiconn: yes, those changes seem unrelated
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22:48:38*Bagder added "tag the release" to ReleaseChecklist
22:48:50amiconnHaha, the "3.0" partt in is hardcoded...
22:49:26dany_21a_hey funman
22:49:58dany_21a_just experimenting a bit with it - but i think i made some progress... not on the programming side, but on the analysing side :)
22:50:06Bagderamiconn: yes, since the script doesn't have any fine means to add it otherwise
22:50:09funmancool !
22:50:15dany_21a_currently dumping the content of the masked rom onto my PC
22:50:33funmanhow are you transferring the data ?
22:50:37amiconnSo I just committed a change for this and now I'm able to build the 3.0.1 binaries for archos
22:50:48dany_21a_this might help you with Flash-access initialization and stuff, bec. the PROM has to do this already
22:51:24funmanThe only way I imagined was dumping the content on the NAND .. but it requires having access to the NAND first ..
22:51:25BagderI guess we make the source archive on the download page to be the 3.0.1 even if the 3.0.1 isn't for all targets
22:51:29dany_21a_how? i used that (or similiar) technic once on a other project: blinking the data out with the leds :)
22:52:04dany_21a_and sampling it with my soundcard....a pythonscript is "listening" to it and generates the dump out of it
22:52:17funmanare you going to blink for each of the 131072 bytes ?
22:52:45amiconnLED blinking is fun ;)
22:52:51dany_21a_its rather slow (about 1KiB per minute), but we have to to it just once
22:53:01funmanit's cool !
22:53:16dany_21a_amiconn: yeah :) and also sounds funny - already have an headache from the buzzing noise
22:53:22funmanbut I don't understand how you convert the light signal with your soundcard
22:53:33*ameyer guesses optical-in
22:53:44funmandid you solder the led to the card ?
22:53:51dany_21a_ameyer: no
22:54:04Bagderamiconn: I added a mention of the edit on the releasechecklist - for next time ;-)
22:54:23dany_21a_just a serial resistor (abou 10k) directly from the led to the line in - this is the signal i get:
22:55:26amiconndany_21a_: You could use the good old biphase code the old homecomputers used for cassette tape storage
22:55:29dany_21a_i use a very simple protocol.... pulswidth-encoded, a frame(=32bit) starts with a long puls, than 0/1 is coded with a shorter/shortest puls
22:55:59amiconnIt would allow ~1kbit/s. Still not that great though
22:56:30dany_21a_the first completed dump just finished... took about 10mins - so no great problem
22:56:41funmancomplete = the whole ROM ?
22:56:54dany_21a_will dump it three times, to ensure to detect/recover errors
22:57:06dany_21a_jep, 128kB... so its actually 10KiB/min
22:57:23amiconnThat's not too bad
22:57:26funmandany_21a_: can you send me your first dump please?
22:57:27linuxstbMaybe also calculate a checksum?
22:57:46amiconndany_21a_: Maybe use a crc function.... rockbox has a nice compact crc32 routine
22:58:01dany_21a_funman: k.. just gave it a quick look in the disasm, looks nice :)
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22:58:40dany_21a_maybe we can now also detect a other way for invoking recovery mode (or find one at all for non e200 devices)
22:59:11funmanI kinda lost hope for the non-e200, but maybe the ClipV2 has it enabled
22:59:45dany_21a_code also looks compiler-generated, again a big task to disasm it i guess
22:59:55***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
23:00:09Bagderdany_21a_: is it using thumb mode?
23:00:34funmanI already know what I'm looking for so it should be quicker than full analysis
23:00:55dany_21a_Bagder: asfar as i can see: now
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23:03:09fmlpetur: hey! Have you seen the discussion about merging two recording settings? (Rec channels and mono mode) I wonder how difficult it would be. It seems quite a few places must be touched.
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23:03:59fmlpetur: you implemented the mono mode feature so you should have a good feeling
23:04:22peturI had thought about implementing it directly that way but did it this way after some thinking
23:04:26ameyerhmm, new bootloader on cfmodded ipod mini doesn't seem to handle usb properly...
23:04:27fmlpetur: yesterday, 20:43
23:04:38peturmostly, this way was the easiest ;)
23:04:46*petur goes reading logs
23:05:05pixelmaameyer: when plugging USB while Rockbox is running?
23:05:34amiconnameyer: ipod bootloaders don't handle usb at all
23:05:35fmlpetur: and then 20:46
23:06:39ameyerwell, it no longer actually reboots into the ipod firmware]
23:07:35 Quit m0f0x (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
23:07:40ameyerhave to hold menu&select for about 10s to get it to boot into the apple firmware
23:07:59ameyerthen again, the old bootloader that had cf issues worked for me o_O
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23:08:15*n1s wants someone to test a new bootloader on a gigabeat f now ;)
23:08:29ameyer(the above is on a mini 2g)
23:08:49n1sameyer: is this while you are inside rockbox?
23:09:25n1sameyer: then the bootloader should have nothing to do with it
23:09:31linuxstbameyer: What exactly happens when you insert the USB cable?
23:09:35BigBambin1s: I can test if you link me, or do you mean SVN (which I can also do)
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23:10:46ameyerlinuxstb: usb plug graphic comes up, fades to a blank screen
23:11:06linuxstbameyer: That sounds like a known Rockbox bug - nothing to do with the bootloader version
23:11:07BigBambin1s: Just check it works?
23:11:21n1sBigBambi: also I'm curious if it actually displays the version "3.0" while booting the old one seemed to be displaying some svn rev number
23:11:32n1sBigBambi: yes
23:11:54BigBambiOK, I'm just looking for my F :)
23:12:06ameyerlinuxstb: it worked before the new bootloader
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23:12:21linuxstbameyer: With the exact same version of Rockbox?
23:12:25n1sameyer: with the _exact_ same rockbox build?
23:12:31ameyerI think so?
23:12:32*n1s is too slow
23:12:56linuxstbameyer: This is a bug that (as far as we can tell) comes and goes randomly with different Rockbox builds.
23:13:00*ameyer will go back to the old bootloader once he manages to get it into disk mode
23:14:22BigBambin1s: That does *not* work
23:14:35ameyerok, the old bootloader does it too
23:14:44ameyerperhaps I did upgrade the build
23:14:50BigBambiAs it comes to the end of the toshiba boot screen it has frozen and the screen has got some static on it
23:15:11BigBambiNow it has faded to white
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23:15:56BigBambiLooks like I'll be opening the F to do the recovery thing on it :)
23:16:51n1sBigBambi: ah, badness I hope i doesn't bring too much trouble for you... (if you want to debug though, the earlier gbf bootloader in that thread seemed to work)
23:17:15BigBambin1s: er, oops
23:17:21BigBambiI downloaded the wrong one :)
23:17:28BigBambiI'll recover and try the latest
23:17:46*fml is scared by the changes implied by merging two recording settings and steps back
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23:18:04n1saha, the first one is indeed broken (hmm maybe i should delete those...)
23:18:30fmlMaybe eliminating the 'Custom' channels setting would be easier?
23:19:35ameyersorry about the ipod bootloader false alarm.
23:21:23BigBambin1s: OK, the proper one works fine :)
23:21:36n1sBigBambi: great! :)
23:22:01BigBambier, sorry
23:22:16n1sBigBambi: nice, and loud and clear as well ;)
23:22:30BigBambihehe :)
23:22:33n1sBagder: could you upload the new gigabeat f bootloader too? (same thread, at the bottom)
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23:23:58funmanis it ok to publish the content of the sansa e200v2 ROM , or could it bring legal problems ?
23:25:13Bagdern1s: you know the version of the former gigabeatf bootloader?
23:25:33Bagderfunman: it's their code and we/you have no permission to distribute
23:26:02Bagderbut I wouldn't mind hosting it on my site
23:26:21funmandany_21a_ wanted to put it on the git repositorhy
23:26:39Bagderyou of course do as you please with that
23:26:53n1sBagder: I don't think it had a proper version, i found an svn rev number in the one on the server so i just went with 3.0 for that one too
23:27:10bertrikfunman, you mean the contents of the internal ROM, with the built-in bootloader?
23:27:58funmanbertrik: yes this one, did you read the recent log ?
23:28:14Bagdern1s: updated now
23:28:25n1sBagder: thanks
23:28:26bertrikno (was too busy getting my laptop to work again after a botched update/upgrade)
23:28:31funmanhurrah to dany_21a_ for dumping it !
23:30:03dany_21a_thx - i hope its usefull... i will (atleast) but the code for sending/reciving into the git
23:30:42funmandany_21a_: well I think if it's for research purpose you can push it
23:30:50*Bagder would prefer seeing your work going into our svn instead
23:30:53funmanif they have a problem with that they can ask to remove it
23:31:15gevaertsBagder: the gigabeat F bootloader seems to be r13224, but it doesn't show a cleaned-up version number
23:31:42Bagdergevaerts: ok, thanks. I stuffed it into a "2.0" folder just to look similar to the old ipod bootloaders
23:31:54dany_21a_Bagder: for the first step I will put it in the GIT - actually, it shouldn be that usefull (for the sansaV2-port) anyfurther... and has some _very_ rough edges :)
23:32:16Bagderdany_21a_: still, people read commit mails and read code in svn, not the code you hide in the git repo
23:32:29Bagderit doesn't mean it has to work or be sensible yet
23:32:42funmanit's not really hidden, it's mentioned in the forum thread
23:32:54Bagderit is hidden to the vast majority of rockbox hackers
23:33:12linuxstbAnd commits on the front page is an excellent advert for the port...
23:33:18Bagderthat too
23:33:20 Quit karashata ("I go, only to return again some time...")
23:33:34bertrikas long as it doesn't brick anything or affect existing supported targets, I'd say commit it
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23:35:07*amiconn wonders why we're offering 8MB builds for fm recorder and recorder v1. but not for v2, player, or Ondios
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23:35:20*linuxstb is waiting for someone to post a e200v2 patch (and the other targets)...
23:35:21Bagderamiconn: just historic reasons
23:35:42Bagderand I've never even heard of a 8mb ondio
23:36:02massiveHwell, that 8MB thing is for people who put an 8MB ram chip in there, and removed the 4MB
23:36:05amiconnYeah, not very likely that someone did the 8MB mod on an Ondio
23:36:20massiveHcan you do that to the v2, player, and ondio?
23:36:23linuxstbmassiveH: s/4MB/2MB/
23:36:23BagdermassiveH: 8 instead of 2
23:36:45massiveHsorry, been too long, 2MB, sorry, my recorder v1 has much dust since I got an iriver
23:36:52amiconnmassiveH: Yes. The core hardware (CPU, ROM, RAM) is the same on all archoses
23:37:07linuxstbBagder: Do you have any download stats for 3.0?
23:37:23Bagderno, as they're all downloaded off others' servers
23:37:34linuxstbI thought 25% were on your server...
23:37:42amiconnAnd the v2 is even identical to the fm recorder except that the tuner might not be present on the PCB (early v2's even had the tuner mounted)
23:37:58Bagderthe master download server is not included in the round robin
23:38:04massiveHamiconn, did anyone ever mod those? or was it just the few that did it to the v1?
23:38:06Bagderit is just there for the other 3 to sync from
23:38:16linuxstbBagder: Ah... What an easy life it has.
23:38:54saratoga2i just noticed the GigabeatFJTAG wiki page
23:39:52n1samiconn: how hard would it be to detect ram size and adapt to it on startup instead of offering separate builds (IIRC this was discussed on devcon last year and would also affect ipod videos)?
23:39:56funmansaratoga2: did you start using jtag on your Fuze ?
23:40:41massiveHn1s, I think it needed to be defined on the archos v1 recorder because the hardware didn't report the size of the bank
23:41:03saratoga2funman: not yet, just looked at software
23:41:13amiconnn1s: It would need the mentioned memory layout shuffling, in order to make the plugin ram (and codec ram for swcodec) fixed regardless of memory size
23:41:53n1samiconn: would that be more difficult than a bit of lds hacking?
23:41:59amiconnmassiveH: That's not correct. There are ways to figure out the ram size without any ID registers
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23:42:22massiveHamiconn, I did not know that.
23:42:27amiconnn1s: Yes, since the rockbox binary is loaded at the beginning of the RAM. It would need to split itself
23:42:39amiconnIt would also need to do the ram size probing
23:42:54amiconn(i.e. write some magic values and check for the aliases)
23:43:42n1samiconn: why split? couldn't the bootloader just load it to a position after the codec and plugin buffers?
23:44:13amiconnIt would still need to split itself because of the vectors
23:44:30amiconnAnd how would the bootloader know which type of rockbox binary it is loading?
23:44:37amiconnAlso what about old bootloaders?
23:45:51n1sthey would break? :P I was just curious, I'm not about to dive into this but would try to make it backwards compatible if i do
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23:49:48bluebrotherBagder: do you have stats about the retrieved -info files from rbutil? Should be easy to recognize now it has its own user-agent string ...
23:50:50Bagderwell, I think rbutil is the only one that downloads that file at all
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23:51:24bluebrotherhmm, true. But you could figure how many old versions are still in use ;-)
23:52:32Bagderbuild-info was downloaded 131K times during September and 80K times so far in October
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23:53:20saratogafunman: just emailed Karl asking him about his JTAG work on the Gigabeat
23:53:56funmansaratoga: nice, hope it's not too difficult to setup ;)
23:54:15saratogano i don't think it is
23:54:29saratogathough i need to figure out how to make one of these JTAG plugs since eventually I want to try it on the V1 sansa as well
23:55:08saratogai see karl uses openocd for repogramming the Gigabeat, so thats probbaly a good choice for us
23:55:54bluebrotherthat's quite a number
23:56:12saratogai wish i'd thought to do this a long time ago, instead of digging through registers via trial and error
23:56:18saratogafor the PP targets
23:56:24*bluebrother should get around getting that JTAG
23:57:02saratogaBagder: is your offer to let me borrow that V1 sansa with JTAG soldered in still good?
23:57:14LloreanBagder: Wow... I don't actually like *any* of those themes. :)
23:57:31Bagderbut we've got 1100+ referes from that page so far...
23:57:44bluebrotherwhat players do we know how to connect a JTAG to?
23:58:02gevaertsNice to know that rockbox is mainly good for themes
23:58:16Bagderand doom of course
23:58:21saratogabluebrother: sansa V1,V2 and gigabeat that i know of

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