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#rockbox log for 2008-10-27

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01:09:03kushal_12_27_200hey JdGordon, have you noticed the "refreshing database" problem in any sansa c250 recently? The OF in mine is locked forever in that screen and the only way I am charging it is by pressing select when connecting it.
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01:20:29JdGordonI dont have a c200
01:23:44pixelmaI have one but didn't notice any problems like this. Also on my c200 the database refreshes when I disconnect USB not when I connect
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01:34:52kushal_12_27_200Pixelma,that is what normally happens with mine too. However, it has been acting a bit strangely lately. I had to press power button for over ten seconds for it to turn off because the refresh was taking too long. It was over an hour of waiting and I finally went ahead and turned it off by holding the power button. Now, it wants to refresh database when I turn it on.
01:36:52kushal_12_27_200JdGordon, I noticed you closed something on filespray for a (seemingly) related incident. (Do you want me to find it?)
01:42:16pixelmafrom your description I would suspect a problem with the OF (maybe filesystem ones too), having read somewhere that the OF's database refresh can choke on some files too. My best guess though and I'm off now
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03:03:09JdGordon|unikushal_12_27_200: which task did I close related to the c200 of db?
03:07:25kushal_12_27_200 , not sure how closely related ...
03:08:53JdGordon|uniwow, old report...
03:09:20kushal_12_27_200more than a year old
03:10:18kushal_12_27_200do you think it is significant at all?
03:11:15JdGordon|uniwell that report was for the e200, not c200... on the e the DB refresh happens before usb connect
03:11:27JdGordon|uniapparently the c does it after usb disconnect, so there is nothing we can do about it
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03:16:51kushal_12_27_200JdGordon, is it possible to entirely bypass the OF
03:17:06JdGordon|uninot untill we get usb working
03:19:40kushal_12_27_200is there a bug report filed for that yet?
03:19:53JdGordon|unifor what?
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03:20:42JdGordon|unilibusb is a linux thing.... the lack of usb in rockbox is well known...
03:23:07kushal_12_27_200how could we fix that?
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03:26:49kushal_12_27_200JDGordon, can I delete files in the player using rockbox itself?
03:27:06kushal_12_27_200how would I do that?
03:28:01kushal_12_27_200I want to delete everything inside the folder /Music
03:28:14JdGordon|uniread the manual
03:28:37kushal_12_27_200sure thing
03:30:25kushal_12_27_200long select does it, thanks
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04:04:10mab1376im trying to enable the database on my gigabeat and i cannot figure out what the yes buttoin is to enable it for the life of me
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04:05:34JdGordon|uniwhich gigabeat?
04:05:46JdGordon|unieither way, it should be the usual "select" button
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04:06:24JdGordon|uniyou shold ckeck the manual...
04:06:30mab1376bare in mind i just go this in the mail today, so i have no idea which button is which.
04:06:49mab1376good idea
04:06:49JdGordon|uniand yes, its the select button
04:06:54JdGordon|uniwhichever that is
04:07:21mab1376hmm ok thanks
04:07:34JdGordon|unibut go read the manual anyway
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07:32:51syn4psei'm running into trouble using 2 arrays of 6400 char, even though it is defined globally. this will be a full array (a maze). is this due to a limitation in memory?
07:33:14syn4pse*they are , that is
07:33:28JdGordonwhat sort of trouble?
07:33:48syn4psewell, when i access the full array, i crash pretty miserably
07:34:02syn4psebut if i just use a portion of the array(s), i am fine
07:34:20JdGordonthats not a very big array, so assuming your accessing it correctly there shouldnt be a probleem
07:34:29syn4psei must be handling it wrong
07:34:53syn4psei'll keep on banging away at it.
07:35:26syn4pseanother thing, it only crashes on my ipod, not on the simulator
07:36:39syn4pseso i'm not close to a limit? that's only 6400*1*2, 12800 bytes, right?
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07:37:04cool_walking_Llorean told me the plugin buffer is 512K on iPod Video
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07:37:28syn4pseseems like i'm well within that, so i must be missing something else.
07:37:52LloreanWhat sort of crash?
07:38:10syn4psethe screen flashes and the ipod powers down
07:39:52LloreanAnd you've gone through step by step to figure out which line, exactly actually crashes on?
07:40:14syn4psei can't crash it on the simulator, unfortunately
07:40:17syn4psenot for lack of trying
07:40:33syn4psei'd love to crash it in gdb :)
07:40:44LloreanYou don't need GDB to go line by line.
07:40:55syn4psei'm a little new at this
07:41:17LloreanYou could guess where you think it is, put a prompt for a keypress in several places that also display a recognizable string, see how many strings you get to see before the crash
07:41:22LloreanThen narrow it down similarly
07:41:33LloreanIt's not ideal, and if you've got a lot of iterations it could take a very long time.
07:41:52LloreanBut if you honestly can't figure it out by analyzing the current logic it at least gives you a way to prod at it.
07:42:00syn4psei have an idea where i think it is but i can't seem to figure out my logical error.
07:42:05syn4pseit's frustrating :)
07:42:41syn4psei'll try that
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07:45:43syn4pseit has to be bounds checking on the array. i think i have a hole in there somewhere.
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10:51:24JdGordonhow would I go about playing the audiodebug.raw the sim can output? amarok doesnt like it
10:52:09linuxstbIn Linux, the "play" command (part of sox) can do it. Or load it into any sound editor.
10:53:59JdGordonplay soxio: Failed reading `audiodebug.raw': unknown file type `auto'
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10:58:57JdGordonaudactiy crashes trying to open it!
10:59:13*gevaerts tells JdGordon about manpages and options :)
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11:02:54linuxstbHint: "-t raw"
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11:22:02sunnyday[m]hi all
11:22:46sunnyday[m]I have installed Rockbox on my Iriver h10, but ums wouldn't work automatically. Why this?
11:23:39n1ssunnyday[m]: because rockbox doesn't have usb support on that player yet
11:24:45sunnyday[m]I see, then why in the manual they say after installing Rockbox it will run in ums mode?
11:27:11ghensunnyday[m]: afaik ums functionality is in the iriver firmware
11:27:17ghenI converted mine to ums before installing rockbox
11:27:20ghen(one time operation)
11:27:58sunnyday[m]how did you do that?
11:28:12sunnyday[m](it is the 20 gb model)
11:28:14n1ssunnyday[m]: since you don't say which h10 you have i don't know exactly but the manual for thr 20 GB version clearly states that you need to press a couple of buttons to get UMS
11:28:59sunnyday[m]yes, but I thought after installing the Rockbox's bootloader I wouldn't need to press the select key anymore
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11:29:14pixelmasunnyday[m]: can you point us exactly to the point in the manual you are referring to?
11:29:26ghenI have a 6gb model
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11:29:39ghenthere's a press-this-and-that-key method for one-time UMS boot
11:29:51n1ssunnyday[m]: it says that _step 1_ is no longer needed, that is the pinhole reset
11:30:09ghenbut you can permanently replace the iriver bootloader/firmware with a UMS one
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12:15:02funmanBagder: ping
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13:47:35webguest58Question i have an sansa e280 v1 and i see the radio icon and i see the channels ( 102.3 mhz) i can search the fm band but i do'nt hear anithing ?? who can help me?
13:50:37linuxstbwebguest58: Has the radio ever worked in Rockbox? Does it work in the original Sandisk firmware?
13:52:13webguest58I had to chance the firmware to europ with fm but then it appeard on the display
13:53:28linuxstbYou didn't answer either of my questions...
13:57:09webguest58OK no with the original firmware it did'nt work so i chanched the sansa firmware to europ with fm ( no sound) then i put rockbox on my player and still no sound
13:57:55Tuplanollayou mean it didn't work even with the european firmware?
13:59:20webguest58Yes i can see the frequentie but i can't hear it
13:59:21linuxstbwebguest58: Some E200s don't have the radio chip - and will do what you describe.
13:59:37linuxstbwebguest58: See here -
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14:00:29webguest58so its possible you can see the radio icon and the frequntie's but there's no radio chip ??
14:01:38linuxstbIf you wanted to, you could open up your Sansa and have a look (or take a photo/scan of it and post it somewhere).
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14:02:30webguest58oke thank you
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14:39:21funman$400 for a USB jtag adaptor made by Keil :(
14:40:37funmanI should better go for the cheap parallel adaptor saratoga bought and find a USB/parallel adaptor
14:41:06JdGordonno parallel port?
14:41:22funmannot on this 2 years old laptop
14:41:35*JdGordon was about to suggest a $15 pci card...
14:42:29funmanthere is the $129 pcmcia card
14:43:37funmanor the £'#REF!' (about 0$) pcmcia card
14:43:55funman£29 on ebay
14:45:18JdGordonare there any cheapish usb kits? I've only found the really cheap parallel port ones
14:47:17funmanI couldn't find any during my searches
14:50:19funmanusb / parallel cable at €8.34 (they are advertised only for printers however)
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14:51:25funman $32.39 for a pcmcia parallel port
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14:52:26IudeXClip has a recovery mode? (u understand?)
14:52:45funmanIudeX: no, it has no recovery mode. Only the e200v2 has one
14:53:56IudeXAch... So I can brick my Clip?
14:54:48IudeXfunman: So Can I brick this? <- now better :)
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14:56:39funmanyes you can do this if you modify the mkamsboot program - but if you leave it as is you shoudn't be able to brick it
14:57:08funmanbecause once it is bricked, you can not recover it : it's broken forever :(
14:57:24funmanIudeX: where are you from ?
14:57:46IudeXfunman: Poland
14:58:07funmanok, i'm french
14:58:13IudeXfunman: So, I collect money on new :D
14:58:32funmanyou bricked your Clip ?
14:58:40IudeXfuman:: not yet
14:59:04funmandon't be afraid: now that mkamsboot is fine it's hard to brick a Clip
14:59:54IudeXfunman: So how can i help u on rockboxing?
15:00:21IudeXfunman: i think, u understand me :D
15:00:24funmanfiguring what is missing to use the SD card
15:00:42IudeXsd card on clip?
15:00:45funmanby reverse engineering the original firmware, and maybe with the help of a JTAG connection
15:01:02funmanIudeX: the internal NAND flash is accessed using a SD controller; it's not a SD card you can remove
15:01:50 Quit Seed ("cu, Andre")
15:02:05funmanso, from a programmer point of view, it's a SD card
15:02:27IudeXyes, i'm understand
15:04:21IudeXfunman: Are you working in informatics?
15:04:33funmanno I'm jobless
15:04:58IudeXSo you have lots of time to rockboxing :D
15:05:03funmanexact ;)
15:05:16linuxstbBut no food... ;)
15:06:00IudeXMaybe : Rockbox cost - 2 Euros
15:06:21IudeXIt's good idea
15:06:43funmanI'll try selling my GPL licensed modifications to rockbox
15:07:17Nico_PJdGordon: are you progressing with the PCM mixer?
15:08:01IudeXWhat about games on Clip - possibly no games? :)
15:08:31funmanIudeX: now it's too early for games: we miss bootloader (SD/flash) and sound
15:08:31JdGordonNico_P: no, im stuck... i can get about 30s or so of music but it sounds really bad
15:08:38JdGordonI'm not really sure what im doing :p
15:09:36IudeXfunman: Sound, bl most important
15:10:48Nico_PJdGordon: could you post the patchN
15:11:07JdGordononly if you promise not to laugh :D
15:11:15Nico_Pok, I promise ;)
15:11:37IudeXAre there any differences in clip and e200 series in sound? (LoL its really hard to understand me!)
15:12:01funmanIudeX: I think they are using the same hardware (on the as3525 SoC)
15:12:23Nico_PI get 404
15:12:26IudeXI'm know so im asking :)">
15:12:39Nico_Pbetter :)
15:14:25JdGordonthere is something fundamently wrong which I am missing... there is an extra 2k in the pcm_block struct which if thats not there it corrupts the stack, I'm sure ones thats gone it will sound more correct
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15:15:25IudeXIf e200 sounds how clip, I'll buy this
15:16:01JdGordonNico_P: arg, that patch wont compile... comment out line 1232 in pcmbuf.c after patching
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15:17:35JdGordonjhMikeS: preglow (?): if you find yourself with nothing better to do... care to have a look at that patch and see what the probably obvious mistake is?
15:18:50funmanIudeX: why do you want e200, afraid of bricking the Clip ?
15:21:33linuxstbfunman: Are you now confident that both the Clip and m200v2 have 2MB+320KB RAM? And the e200v2 has 8MB+320KB?
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15:22:13IudeXfunman: No. Clip sounds great :P
15:22:27IudeXI'm afraid.. Some..
15:23:34funmanlinuxstb: yes - but the access code was not tested on e200
15:24:03linuxstbWill it be possible to map the two blocks of RAM together? Or will we have to split the usage?
15:24:15funmanI mean not after I corrected it - but physical disassembly shows a 8Mb SDRAM chip, and the OF has a '8MB' string
15:24:54JdGordonis 320 enough for the codec ram?
15:25:19funmanthe different aliases are not consecutive
15:25:21linuxstbNot currently - the codec buffer is 1MB
15:26:34JdGordonon the e200 at least thats probably not a big deal if we dont use that 320
15:27:03JdGordonI guess the m200 could use that for plugins, low mem targets get less plugin ram anyway
15:27:16funmanI bet the 320kB RAM is faster than the SDRAM
15:27:22*preglow wonders why we would possibly want to put settings in a plugin
15:27:45linuxstbfunman: I was thinking that as well, and if that's the case we could treat it like IRAM on the other targets.
15:27:52JdGordonpreglow: not in here please... keep that on the ml
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15:28:40saratogajust reading the logs and noticed the IRAM question
15:28:54JdGordonbesides.. its an idea, and one which isnt likely to happen anyway, except if we are forced to dump some bin weight
15:28:56saratogaassuming the IRAM is SRAM internally, it should be treated like IRAM on the other targets
15:29:58preglowi can never be bothered to sit down and write an ml reply
15:30:01preglowweakness of mine
15:30:04preglownever was a fan of mls
15:30:35JdGordonirc has nice instant gratification :)
15:30:48saratogai'd like to do a 272/48 KB split between codecs and memory on the AMS chips
15:30:54preglowi just prefer instant communication
15:30:56*linuxstb tends to start replies, but then never get round to sending them, much like Rockbox ports...
15:31:00preglowi find people to be much more reasonable then
15:31:04saratogathen we could most codecs all or almost entirely in IRAM
15:31:16preglowpeople have a nasty tendency to be assholes over mls
15:31:31preglownot implying that you are, of course :>
15:31:51JdGordonprobably because they have more time to write the reply...
15:31:54preglowsaratoga: sweet lord, they have that much iram?
15:32:06JdGordonpreglow: you know the pcm buf stuff dont you?
15:32:13preglowJdGordon: not very well, depends
15:32:41JdGordonif you have a minute can you have a quick look at that patch i left a few min ago and see if you can see whats wrong with it?
15:33:02preglowwill see
15:33:04saratogapreglow: moores law
15:33:12JdGordonI'm trying to just take the pcm data from the dsp and dump it on the DAC with no changes, but its no worky very well
15:33:21preglowJdGordon: pcmmixer?
15:33:36preglowsaratoga: yeah, just didn't expect it to apply to iram :) but sure, why not
15:33:40funmanabout the AS3525 320kB ram: 'a special kind of DRAM' 'SRAM-style interface operation'
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15:34:10JdGordonhow much iram is there usually?
15:34:25funman20 - 65MHz operation
15:34:34funmanthere is 5 64KB blocks here
15:34:45preglowfunman: so it's not necessarily single cycle, then
15:34:55preglowthat explains the amount a bit better than moore's law
15:35:11preglowdram is way more compact than sram
15:35:21funmanand way more slower ?
15:35:25preglownot necessarily
15:35:48linuxstbfunman: The extra RAM also solves another problem - where in RAM the bootloader loads the main Rockbox image to. We can now simply keep the bootloader in the 320KB RAM, and load the main Rockbox image to the start of the 2MB RAM.
15:35:48preglowbut most of the single cycle iram you will see is sram
15:36:26funmanlinuxstb: doesn't some rockbox code need to be loaded in IRAM for speed ?
15:36:28saratogatheres also 1T DRAM which can be used in place of SRAM in some situations
15:36:45linuxstbfunman: Yes, but that's done by the main Rockbox crt0.S - it relocates parts of itself to IRAM.
15:36:46funmanwhat's the '1T' for?
15:37:14funmanfor sure it's not 1 TeraByte
15:37:35preglowdunno what it stands for, but it's essentially a dram design without the explicit use of a capacitor element for the the memory part
15:37:49preglowuses paracitic capacitance instead
15:37:56preglowwhich is rather clever :)
15:38:21saratogaI think its "1 tick" as in single cycle
15:38:28preglowhmm, nice
15:38:39funmansaratoga: the AS3525 datasheet mentions 1T DRAM
15:38:49preglownever seen it myself, just briefly heard of it
15:39:05funmanjust buy a Sansa Clip to see it in action ;)
15:39:28preglowJdGordon: nah, this is lower level than i've been in the pcm stuff
15:39:31preglowJdGordon: what is it for?
15:39:32*linuxstb points to wikipedia
15:39:42saratogahopefully the 1 T DRAM is the same as SRAM for our purposes
15:40:09JdGordonpreglow: nuts :p well the idea was to be able to mix seperate pcm buffers as late as possible to get around issues like no voice while paused
15:40:23saratogahaving all this IRAM would be very nice
15:40:42saratogai think the awful performance per clock on the gigabeat F is due to lack of IRAM vs. PP
15:41:02saratogaif so, the AMS chips would be much faster then the Gigabeat F in most codecs
15:41:53amiconnThe gigabeat F/X has similar performance per clock as the PP chips, as it's (only) armv4t as well.
15:42:46amiconnThat's why the beast can handle ape -c4000 w/o problems at 264MHz, while the gigabeat F can't, even at its higher clok
15:43:12amiconnOh, and on the F/X we don't use the available IRAM at all...
15:44:20saratogaamiconn: i remember looking at AAC/Ogg performance a while back and being surprised how much better PP did
15:44:51saratogaI think the Ogg needed something like 60MHz per 1x of realtime, vs. <40 for PP
15:45:05saratogaand this is inspite of the ARM9 load/store improvements
15:46:06saratogahmm the 65MHz speed on the AMS's IRAM means its probably not single cycle then
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15:46:36kugelhello, can anyone tell me a approximate precision of the stopwatch plugin?
15:47:31JdGordonrun it next to a real stopwatch for a while and see what happens?
15:47:39funmansaratoga: look at page 23 of the as3525 datasheet
15:48:10saratogaoh "1T" == "1 transistor"
15:48:16funman'one idle cycle for refresh is needed every 32 clock cycles'
15:48:24GodEaterfixed.cfg is where you should put settings that you always want to remain the same on boot up right ?
15:48:34saratogafunman: thanks
15:49:11amiconnkugel: It uses the timer tick, so if timers are implemented correctly on the target, it's typical xtal precision, +/- 0.01s
15:49:40funmansaratoga: where did you buy your JTAG connection ? I think I'll get one (if I get it too late for development, at least I'll use it to unbrick my other Clip)
15:50:18kugelAre they on a e200? I want to use it for an experiment and need to know the precision for the error analysis
15:50:18moosGodEater: yup
15:50:46GodEaterso does fixed.cfg get completely wiped if you use the "reset settings" feature of the bootloaders ?
15:50:53saratogafunman: i picked some random ebay shop, and they shipped it from china
15:50:53GodEateror just ignored ?
15:51:12JdGordonGodEater: fixed.cfg should never be written to by rockbox
15:51:13preglowJdGordon: well, good luck on that, it sounds like something we want
15:51:13saratogabut theres a few places on google for about 10 USD
15:51:34GodEaterJdGordon: so if someone does a settings reset, will it then be ignored that time ?
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15:51:40GodEateror will Rockbox still read from it ?
15:51:40JdGordonpreglow: thanks :) but im so far out of my depth with that i wouldnt hold your breath :p
15:51:49preglowJdGordon: but how to handle dsp when? will it only be applied to the main pcm buffer?
15:51:59preglowas in the one that does music
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15:52:11JdGordonGodEater: I think fixed.cfg is only read at boot
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15:52:30GodEaterJdGordon: that's my point, when you do a settings reset, that's done at boot too
15:52:45GodEaterso I'm wondering if the fixed.cfg could cause issues if someone forgets they've made one
15:53:09amiconnkugel: Timers are implemented correctly on PP, so there's just the +/-0.01s quantization error, plus the clock deviation which depends on the individual unit and is also temperature dependent.
15:53:20JdGordonpreglow: the dsp is only used for music currently isnt it? does it make sense to put the voice audio through it?
15:53:25funman|66%3A3|65%3A12|39%3A2|240%3A1318 looks legit
15:53:33linuxstbGodEater: "reset settings on boot" isn't a bootloader feature - it's done in Rockbox itself.
15:53:40amiconnTypical error is a few seconds per day, like any digital watch/ clock
15:53:42preglowJdGordon: i don't know, really, i kind of thought it was applied globally
15:53:49JdGordonGodEater: umm yeah, if they reset at boot it could, I thought you are talking about resetting from the menu
15:53:58preglowJdGordon: well, it depends, would you expect the voice ui to get more treble if you adjusted the treble setting?
15:54:12preglowJdGordon: i kind of would expect something like that to apply globally
15:54:43linuxstbIsn't DSP needed for resampling voice?
15:54:48preglowthat too
15:54:52preglowhmm, yeah
15:54:56preglowthere's different dsp for voice now
15:54:59preglowremember now :>
15:55:18*GodEater makes a note of this info in his "possible gotchas" list
15:55:22amiconnpreglow: Imo some dsp settings should apply globally, but not all (e.g. channel configuration - e.g. voice would be muted when karaoke would be applied to it)
15:55:31preglowamiconn: very good point
15:55:35JdGordonlike I said... im way out of my depths here.. I figure if I get a base working either someone can help out, or take over...
15:55:54preglowJdGordon: jhMikeS has/had plans for a very nice mixing system
15:56:02preglowthat would also solve the current issue we have with dsp latency
15:56:08preglowbut it would require some fairly nice changes...
15:56:20linuxstbpreglow: Can you remember what his plan was?
15:56:50preglowonly that it involved moving dsp very late in the chain and almost certainly would require preemptive multitasking, tbanks to the latency :)
15:57:04JdGordonI couldnt find the discussion, but from what i remmeber im sort of close to it?
15:57:51amiconnpreglow: I don't think we need preemptive multitasking. It would open a whole can of worms for almost no benefit. Just mix in an isr, using small blocks
15:57:56jhMikeSamiconn: you panged?
15:58:07preglowamiconn: might work, yes
15:58:19preglowbut i'm still not convinced preemptive multitasking would be bad for rockbox
15:58:35JdGordonGodEater: it that something which we should fix? I cant image fixed.cfg is actually used by many people and especially not to set dangerous settings
15:58:36*jhMikeS hears "preemtive" and his rabbit ears perk up
15:59:27amiconnjhMikeS: Yes. I have a strange mpeg2 video, which triggers 2 bugs in mpegplayer, a visual bug and a freeze bug
15:59:52jhMikeSamiconn: hmmm...unusual in which way?
15:59:52saratogafunman: check the shipping label, and thats where i got mine
16:00:00preglowit would be a very fun experiment anyway, one i hope jhMikeS will embark on one day :P
16:00:04saratogafunman: I mean to say that I checked my label and its the same
16:00:25amiconnThis video has a max timestamp of 0xffffffff, but its min timestamp is > 0
16:00:39amiconnSo the difference is smaller than 0xffffffff, i.e. not invalid
16:01:22amiconnThis causes the total playtime to be displayed as 26h 30min nn sec, which is too long on the X5 with 12-Nimbus and overlaps the icon in the center
16:01:27GodEaterJdGordon: I don't know, it only just occured to me
16:01:51amiconnIt also causes a hang with the disk spinning if you seek past the actual end of the video (video is ~15 min)
16:02:04jhMikeSamiconn: how long is the video in reality?
16:02:11JdGordonAm I wrong in thinking that if the DAC is set to 44.1khz then it will keep hitting the isr to try and stay at that rate regardless of how small the buffer it gets each time is?
16:02:37preglowi think the isr always assumes it gets what it asks for
16:03:02preglowat the lowest level, of course...
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16:03:32JdGordonbecause (At least in the sim) if i fill 32k sample buffers it seems to work about right, but if that drops to 2 or 8 k samples it goes completly bad
16:03:45jhMikeSamiconn: I know min timestamps are quite often > 0. Things should be handled as unsigned.
16:04:10amiconnjhMikeS: Yes, and they are. Problem is that the max timestamp doesn't match reality
16:04:18linuxstbAren't mpeg timestamps something unhelpful like 33-bit?
16:04:20amiconn...and that causes trouble in mpegplayer
16:04:37jhMikeSlinuxstb: yeah, but we use 45KHz and so ignore the LSb
16:04:44funmansaratoga: thanks. how long did you wait for the shipping to arrive?
16:05:23jhMikeSamiconn: so the final stamp of 0xffffffff is actually valid for the file?
16:05:25amiconnWindows media player also has trouble playing that video. The file was produce by nero vision, and I'm sure there are no bit errors in it
16:05:40amiconnjhMikeS: no
16:06:00amiconnIt should be much lower. I guess 0xffffffff actually means invalid
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16:06:11JdGordonGodEater: I cant ever remember anyone wondering why settings are not resetting problerly (because of fixed.cfg) but its a easy fix if it does come up
16:07:10jhMikeSamiconn: 0xffffffff does mean invalid in context though it is technically legal
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16:09:25jhMikeSamiconn: what I'm asking is does the file actually contain a timestamp of 0xffffffff or is MPEG player failing to find the correct ending timestamp?
16:10:17pondlifeJdGordon: A proper PCM mixer is a feature I'd like ;) Have you any design notes up?
16:10:28jhMikeSI guess running the SIM might give more info from the debug output
16:11:49JdGordonpondlife: design notes... hehehe.. uh, I mean, na, I figured id start by experimenting, then doing it properly
16:12:05amiconnjhMikeS: How could I find out?
16:12:28amiconnThe sim says 0xffffffff (just in decimal)
16:12:36preglowJdGordon: a fine development method i tend to follow myself :P
16:12:42pondlifeIt's sometimes good to start with a list of requirements at least - once you get to that point.... and then an API for the new PCM layer...
16:12:51JdGordonpondlife: in all honesty I didnt design anything propeerly because I didnt eben know if I could get this far
16:12:58*jhMikeS checks what output he put in the sim again
16:13:13pondlifeI'm very happy someone's getting on with it, so don't let me put you off :)
16:13:38amiconnjhMikeS: tons.... more than the standard windows command window backlog buffer
16:14:08*JdGordon thinks we should get pcm, playback and playlist out of apps and really fix up their interdependancies with the rest of apps
16:14:23preglowpcm, playback, def
16:14:25preglowplaylist, i dunno
16:14:35*pondlife thinks we should scrap "apps" and have a set of layers
16:14:47preglowwell, the current way is just two layers
16:14:54preglownothing fancier than that
16:14:55jhMikeSamiconn: tons is true enough. but in the correct place for this problem?
16:14:55pondlifeYes, I want more!
16:14:59preglowpondlife: why?
16:15:07preglowpondlife: this would require a design document :)
16:15:12pondlifeOf course!
16:15:22jhMikeSit should show result for each stream so the offending one can be id'ed.
16:15:22JdGordonmore is good... the gui should have very specific privelages to real code
16:16:09pondlifeWe could do with more modularity, really. Currently we have just C function scope holding APIs together, might be useful to make it more explicit.
16:16:14*linuxstb doesn't think we need layers - just more independence between the different parts of the apps code
16:16:26pondlifeYes, that would be nice
16:16:28*linuxstb wants a whiteboard to scribble pictures onto
16:16:41JdGordonsomeone needs to invent multiplayer paint
16:16:49JdGordonmultiplayer notepad just isnt good enough
16:16:57*pondlife wants a wiki page with the subsystems drawn up in a block diagram
16:17:12preglowgo xfig!
16:17:17*linuxstb thinks we've strayed off-topic...
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16:21:31*linuxstb wonders what the 1.4MB of RAM usage in a typical swcodec build includes
16:21:52JdGordonthe wps buffer would be a big part of that
16:23:11JdGordon154880 bytes for the 220x176x16 lcd
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16:23:31JdGordonso maybe not really big..
16:24:56jhMikeSamiconn: can't the debug output be dumper to a file?
16:25:05JdGordontoo many threads with largish stacks? is there a reason tagcache, dircache and playlist all need their own threads?
16:25:15pondlifelinuxstb: Where do you get that 1.4MB figure from?
16:26:11preglowJdGordon: stuffing all of those in the same thread wouldn't be very wise, the thread separation probably helps avoid bugs
16:26:13jhMikeSJdGordon: tagcache, dircache obviously do since they also have background building
16:26:23preglowhelps with abstraction
16:26:31*linuxstb spots 72KB of bss for icon.o
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16:26:54JdGordonimage buffer?
16:28:12JdGordonyeah, icons do 24*24*bitdepth/8 * icon count (22 iirc)
16:28:20pondlifestatic unsigned char viewer_icon_buffer[NB_SCREENS][IMG_BUFSIZE];
16:28:23linuxstbAbout 60KB for font.o, 64KB for unicode.o...
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16:29:13JdGordonthe global_settings sturct is nearly 1k!
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16:29:36linuxstb40KB for dir_uncached.o, 35KB for dircache.o...
16:30:16JdGordonwhile this is fun.. is there actually anything that can be done about it? (without obviously dumping the feature)
16:30:49pondlifeCould icon_buffer and viewer_icon_buffer be merged?
16:30:55linuxstbI don't know if anything can be done until we look at all the RAM usage...
16:31:16*jhMikeS wonders what's up with ... main nav loads but paste isn't
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16:31:41jhMikeSmeh, there it went
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16:34:57JdGordontagcache.o and tagtree,o are the 2 biggest (by a decent margin) in apps/
16:35:31*JdGordon finds he exacgurates more after 2am than usual :p
16:36:38jhMikeSamiconn: it looks like it didn't find any video timestamps
16:37:10jhMikeSjust the first one anyway
16:38:47funmanmpeg-2 stream?
16:39:07jhMikeSit does 1 & 2. they're aren't very different
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16:39:56*linuxstb wonders why the tagcache thread needs a 17KB stack
16:41:26JdGordonwithout ramcache my beast is using 27% of that 17k
16:42:21JdGordonif dircache cant be enabled at runtime without a reboot, why isnt its stack's buffer bffer_alloc()'ed like the rest of its needed buffers?
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16:44:57*jhMikeS wonders what the heck Nero did and whether it was compliant
16:46:27funmanthey say vlc's mpeg muxer and demuxer are a good reference (or were when they were written by Christophe Massiot)
16:47:19funmanpretty much all video software authors add their own mess in the formats they write
16:47:20jhMikeSI do have all the ISO docs for reference
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16:47:54jhMikeSthough perhaps it has little heuristics that help
16:47:56funmanif you can handle these docs they are better of course
16:48:47preglowJdGordon: if the thread isn't called at all if it's disabled, then it can be bufalloced
16:49:22jhMikeSthey're the reason anything got done on mpegplayer in the first place. MPEG just makes you mash through the file and do your best to find things like the duration.
16:49:58funmanthere is also the difference between Program streams and Transport streams
16:50:12linuxstbIIUC, mpeg is just a stream of packets - there's no concept of duration, and timestamps can be discontinuous.
16:52:29JdGordonyeah, doesnt look like any reason to even create the dircache thread if its disabled
16:53:29jhMikeSfonman: we do only support transport streams here.
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16:53:58jhMikeSthose require PTS every 0.7s and it appears like Nero did something weird
16:54:49funmaninterestingly, vlc has an option to distrust timestamps and calculate them from the bitrate
16:55:04funmanjhMikeS: ah ok
16:55:15linuxstbjhMikeS: Don't you mean Program Streams?
16:55:44jhMikeSisn't a program stream the container for muxing many channels for broadcast and video conferencing?
16:56:01*jhMikeS could have inverted the two
16:56:04funmanI know transport stream can do that (it's designed for transport over a network)
16:56:11funmanprogram stream is designed for storage
16:56:40linuxstbTransport Streams split streams into 188-byte packets - DVB is based on them. Program Streams are larger packets - DVD uses program streams with 2048 byte packets
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17:01:25funmanhum ts can mean Transport Stream as well as TimeStamp - reading this source is dangerous
17:02:37jhMikeSlinuxstb: I guess my recollection just inverted the program/transport.
17:03:18linuxstbfunman: I never see "ts" by itself (it doesn't make sense) - there is "dts" (decoder timestamp) and "pts" (presentation timestamp). But we're starting to stray from Rockbox....
17:03:36funmanmpeg_parser.c computes the packet length from the stream, so it's a PS
17:03:58*JdGordon upload patch FS #9506 and goes to bed
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17:04:35funmanlinuxstb: see validate_timestamp() in mpeg_parser.c - I don't know if it's from rockbox or libmpeg2 though
17:05:32linuxstbWell, in that context it could make sense...
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17:06:29jhMikeSit's from rockbox to make sure at timestamp is within the movie duration
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17:07:03funman;a=blob;f=modules/demux/ps.c;h=274dc0bfee9c7f24a516e6b3e2a667aab26b0e16;hb=HEAD#l43 < the comment is not very helpful
17:07:05jhMikeSit's cruft anyway (there's a bit of that)
17:13:56J-23can Rockbox play AAC/AAC+?
17:15:23linuxstbJ-23: Yes to AAC. I _think_ the faster targets can play AAC+
17:15:52funmanAAC+ is High Efficienct profile?
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17:18:24J-23funman: yes
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17:39:23funmanis rockbox 3.0.1 still to be released ?
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17:39:42linuxstbIt has been released.
17:39:45jhMikeSfunman: after I fix the red on the table it's coming right out :)
17:40:05funmanI wanted to correct
17:41:10funmanbut the main page still shows 'rockbox 3.0 released' in the Project news
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17:43:30n1sfunman: 3.0.1 was only for archos targets
17:44:20funmanisn't it worth mentioning anyway?
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17:53:33funmanIs it possible to easily fix the syntax of ?
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17:58:48n1sjhMikeS, amiconn: do you have any thoughts on frequency scaling on the gigabeast? Should we go with a full-blown dynamic, interrupt-driven frequency/voltage scaling scheme or the reglar boost/unboost with 2 corresponding voltages?
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18:03:19jhMikeSn1s: I've thought it's worth investigating the full-blown stuff, at least the automated one.
18:03:43domonokyn1s: does the gigabeast have a seperate timer for the tick ? because on hxx0 there is the problem, that timers are not exact while switching frequencys, so we should switch seldom on these devices...
18:04:09n1sdomonoky: nt a clue
18:04:19jhMikeSdomonoky: I think there are ways of latching for DVFS
18:04:36domonokyand the boost/unboost mechanism is already there, full blown frequency changing might require more changes to rockbox
18:04:58jhMikeSI was thinking CPUFREQ_NORMAL would be variable, so nothing radical would need doing
18:05:40domonokyand from what does the switching code know how high CPUFREQ_NORMAl should be ?
18:05:58n1sjhMikeS: btw, what's the word on the charging code?
18:05:58domonokyi think it surely would need input from either apps, or from the sheduler..
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18:06:13jhMikeSthe internal DVFS hardware will tell it by interrupt based upon hardware utilization
18:07:12domonokyah, so the hardware knows how much it sleeps ? and if it doesnt sleep in a certain intervall, we would set the freq higher ?
18:07:14jhMikeSyou have an option to implement your own algorithm or use the on-chip one
18:07:51jhMikeSit's based on that, cache usage, port activity and a number of other things.
18:08:08jhMikeSthe details were somewhere or another online
18:08:27*domonoky doesnt know this special hardware on the beast, but if its possible without to much changes, it may be worth a try.. :-)
18:08:44*n1s reads data sheets
18:09:14jhMikeSone thing I want is to use that annoyance called SDMA so we have actual DMA for audio or whatever else.
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18:21:40n1swow, this thing is freakishly advanced: "The purpose of the DPTC module is to detect the minimum operation voltage for the IC, taking into account the extreme of processing activity and ambient temperature for a given frequency" !
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18:23:34jhMikeSthe slightly less advanced version of this IC would have sufficed for a music player. I don't know what got up them.
18:23:58domonokywow.. should allow some neat powersaving things :-)
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18:36:58jhMikeSis displaying strangely for anyone else, or is it my end?
18:37:19LambdaCalculus37Looks fine here.
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18:38:31jhMikeSlol. somehow I shut off my webfilter proxy by mistake.
18:40:47bertrikfunman, a swiss company sells a nice not too expensive usb jtag adapter, they claim it works with openocd
18:43:07funmanbertrik: too late I ordered the parallel adapter ;)
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18:44:26jhMikeSonce again I've stuck the build server...strange spirits
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18:46:31karashatajhMikeS, I recall seeing an error about a type conflict between tick_funcs in kernel_sdl.c and kernel.h when I tried to compile the simulator
18:46:58karashataI changed the type in kernel_sdl.c to match kernel.h and it seems to compile fine now
18:48:18jhMikeSkarashata: that should be fixed if you 'svn up'
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18:48:55funmanbertrik: I have some trouble playing with the peripheral clock frequency
18:49:08karashataah, kay
18:49:38funmanI tried to set it to the same frequency but using plla source rather than the 24MHz crystal directly - I get nothing on the screen anymore
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18:51:41bertrikI haven't really looked into the clocks, but I think we should have a good look at it (/me invites mr someone)
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18:52:13funmanthis afternoon I have found big parts of the code in OF which sets clocks frequencies / dividors
18:52:24*someone isnt good at this things :-)
18:52:26funmanthat is for all peripherals (nand, gpio, ide ..)
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18:53:01funmanI have not found evidence that the peripheral clock is based on something else than the 24MHz crystal
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18:56:43funmanI found 3 structures: 1 which holds 'desired' clock frequency for all devices, 1 which holds a couple of 'desired' PLL output frequency and its associated PLLA register setting; and one which holds device specific functions to set the clock divider
18:57:20funmanthat way we can know the operating frequency of each device
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19:02:30amiconnn1s: It's probably worth checking out the dynamic method. As long as core voltage is fixed (Coldfire, PP, ..), frequency<->current relationship is (approximately) linear, but once dynamic voltage adjustment is added to the mix, the relation becomes (approximately) quadratic
19:02:40bertrikI think amiconn once told me that in PP devices, all clocks basically switch when boosting. It looks like we can avoid this on the as3525
19:03:08bertriki.e. keep peripheral clocks at the same frequency and boost only the cpu
19:03:25n1samiconn: I'm reading the data sheet but my hope that i will be able to implement this is low.
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19:04:10bertrikI think dynamic voltage adjustment is an advanced feature that should not be implemented in this early stage yet
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19:04:44amiconnWith that quadratic relation, it's better to dynamically adjust the clock than to switch back & forth between 2 fixed frequencies
19:05:09bertrikwe should be able to do this on PP502x already...
19:05:22amiconnbertrik: We're talking about the beast here
19:05:42amiconnAnd we cannot do this properly on PP
19:06:54amiconnWe do not know the core specs, and hence we have to assume that the required core voltage is fixed.
19:07:55bertrikok, you mean it will involve guesswork to know what voltage is required at what frequency
19:08:54amiconnYes, and there is no guarantee that a voltage that is sufficient for 30MHz on individual device X will be sufficient on individual device Y
19:09:58amiconnEven the fact that the voltage is changed on the fly could cause crashes or other erratic behaviour
19:10:41amiconnThe beast is a completely different matter because we (a) have the datasheet and (b) this datasheet tells us that the core has dynamic voltage adjustment designed into it
19:11:35bertrikgoing back to the clip, I think a good first try would be to keep the peripherals at a fixed frequency (determined at compile time) and vary only the cpu frequency at run-time
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19:12:57bertrikwe'll need to know if any peripherals have any special requirements though (like certain maximum cpu/peripheral clock ratios etc.)
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19:25:45bertrikfunman, what pll divider values did you use?
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19:32:54funman0x2630 = 384MHz
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19:33:39funmanyou can specify for each device if you use 24MHz crystal, plla, pllb, or an external clock (probably with an external oscillator)
19:37:09bertrikwas it just the display or also other peripherals that stopped working (or even the cpu too)?
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19:38:12*bertrik tries to decode 0x2630
19:39:03funmanbertrik: look page 103 of the datasheet
19:39:25funmanand page 105 for how to extract the 3 numbers from the 32 bits value
19:40:10bertrikI know, I have the datasheet
19:40:19funmanND = 2 (OD=01) , NF = 0x30 (48), NR = 6
19:42:09funmanif not modified, the lowest 7 bits of CGU_PERI are 0 (reference 24MHz, pclk 24MHz, extmem clock 24MHz)
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19:43:03funmanI use CGU_PERI |= (0<<6)/*div0*/|(0xf<<2)/*div1*/|0x1/*plla*/; so pclk = 24MHz, and extmemclock = 384MHz (too much I know)
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19:43:27funmanbut I expected the other peripherals (lcd) to function correctly
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19:49:44funman0x26C0 should have the same output
19:49:58funman0x2C60* sorry
19:50:08*n1s makes the beast skip during playback :)
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19:52:23n1swell, at least setting different clocks works
19:54:14bertrikfunman, sorry don't know what goes wrong. The datasheet mentions something about using a pre-defined order when switching clocks but doesn't further specify it.
19:55:16funmanmaybe to be sure to not exceed the mentioned requiremens
19:55:33bertrikAlso, there may be a problem with synchronisation between the peripherals the cpu clock when they are not running from the exact same clock, so we probably need something other than the fastbus mode of the cpu.
19:56:14funmanI don't know what's fastbus/asynchronous/synchronous mode :/
19:56:28funmanonly saw it mentioned in the control register of cp15
19:59:30n1sSo, an initial experiment on the gigabeast yields some interesting results, writing to CLKCTL_MPCTL to change the clock seems to work, ticks seem to be directly coupled to this clock so if i lower the clock a tick takes proportionately longer time, if the disk spins down (and powers off) disk access will hang the system when the clock is lowered
20:00:52Domonokyn1s: so we would need to decouple the tick from the clock, either via a seoerate timer/counter if available, or via software..
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20:01:36n1sDomonoky, it seems so, I haven't looked into how they are implemented yet
20:02:28funmanbertrik: I can use that setup: PLLA = 0x2C10 (128MHz), cgu_peri: div0_sel=0, div1_sel=1 => extmem_clk = pclk = 64MHz
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20:06:23bertrikfunman, I think I'll start looking at the sd interface again
20:06:29funmanwith IDE clock at 64MHz, MEMSTICK clock at 21MHz, still no luck for SD
20:06:44funmanbertrik: ok, you mean reverse engineering the OF ?
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20:07:15funmanyou are looking at latest Clip Firmware, Vsomething.30 I think ?
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20:08:08funmanI am still looking at the previous one, don't want to redo all the work; nor to see the bugs Sansa added since ;)
20:09:58funmanat offset 0x6CD4 you have the operating clock frequencies of each device
20:10:34funmanat 0x6D34 you have the couple {pll_output, pll_register_value}
20:11:35bertrikyuk, the sd code looks complicated
20:11:49funmanyes :/
20:12:47funmanat 0x6E04 and 0x6E5C you have an array of SD-specific functions
20:12:51funmanwell, 2 arrays
20:13:16funmanthe first one is for NAND (through iNAND SD-NAND interface), the 2nd one is for SD (real SD for e200 for example)
20:13:30funmanthey call the same functions with a parameter (0 for NAND, 1 for SD)
20:13:32bertrikoh, the clip firmware contains e200 functionality?
20:13:40funmannot really
20:13:50funmanit contains useless functions however
20:14:26funmanIIRC if you try to use the SD functions there is an error somewhere
20:14:42funmanmaybe their build system didn't permit them to remove these unused functions
20:15:08funmanI mean they have no "#ifdef HAVE_SD_SLOT"
20:15:29bertrikall of the fancy compiler optimisation ruined by a stupid linker :/
20:16:00funmanthe first function is the "enable" one
20:16:09funmannote the reference to '64MHz'
20:17:11funmanyou can also see the error 0xFFFFE403 being returned if you call this function with the 'SD slot' argument
20:18:49funmanat 0x5962 we see loaded the NAF base address (usually used with the AMS NAND controller, but not here) for the NAND (0) case: look where it is stored then because the base register will not be explicitely loaded anymore in the OF ;)
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20:41:09funmanany e200v2 owner wanting to test some code?
20:42:48funmanjust run what's in the git repository and see if the led blinks or not (after a ~20s delay)
20:43:14Hillshumgive me a few minuets
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20:46:34Hillshum_funman: remind me where to start /rbutil?
20:46:50funmanjust run make in rbutil/mkamsboot/ once you built the bootloader
20:47:37Hillshum_from where again?
20:48:06funmanyou must run tools/configure in any directory you like
20:48:17Hillshum_oh yeah
20:54:22Hillshum_funman: bootloader.bin?
20:54:41funmanyep, BL=/blabla/bootlader.bin
20:55:21Hillshum_i got an error 2 on the build
20:56:43Hillshum_here's the output:
20:57:04funmanhm I thought there were placeholders
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20:57:48funmanlet me fix that
20:58:56bluebrotherhmm. This dlalyzer that got committed doesn't comply to the coding guidelines at all (typedef struct ...)
20:59:36bluebrotherhow are we dealing with such code? Is the rule more relaxed for utils?
20:59:47funmanHillshum_: fixed - you can git pull and re-run make
20:59:54bluebrotherals, what do people think about caps in filenames? I personally dislike them ...
21:05:52*Domonoky thinks rules for tools are more relaxed.. :-)
21:06:03Hillshum_funman ~35 secs and the wheel flashes
21:07:01Hillshum_gotta go
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21:07:10linuxstbfunman: What was that?
21:07:12funmanthanks ;) that means the SDRAM is access properly on e200
21:07:24linuxstbAh, that's good news.
21:07:35linuxstbIt tested all 8MB?
21:08:01funmanIt needed this change: - I still don't understand it
21:08:20funmanexcept that the value is 0x30000000 + 0x2300*number_of_MBytes
21:08:34linuxstbfunman: Yes, I noticed that - it seems very odd
21:09:33funmansome hidden 'feature'
21:10:15Domonokylooks strange.. reading from a specifc adress makes it work.. *scratches head*
21:10:54funmanI remember all the RAM was filled with 0xff at init, I'll double check
21:12:15Domonokymaybe there is a self-clearing register there ? so reading could reset it to 0 causeing SDRam to work... *throwing wild guesses*
21:12:42funmando you mean self-refresh ? there is other means to control that
21:14:19Domonokyno, some microcontrollers have registers (normally some interrupt status or alike) which clears itself when you read it..
21:14:53funmana register inside the addressable RAM ? :/
21:15:35Domonokymemory mapped registers ? but it was just a wild guess...
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21:17:33Domonokydoes the OF also read from this addresses in the init ?
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21:18:53funmanyes - I didn't figure it by trial over the 500k+ addresses ;)
21:19:08Domonokytrue :-)
21:19:14IudeXhey funman are u working on e200v2 or clip now?
21:19:29funmanIudeX: Clip
21:19:55funmanbut sometimes I look at the e200 firmware and I figure the (very) tiny difference between the Clip and the e200
21:19:58IudeXfunman: on git i saw e200 commits.
21:20:27IudeXi'll try something today
21:20:27HillshumI just tested them
21:22:08bmblSo what are the next major steps on the v2s?
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21:22:27HillshumSD and LCD
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21:23:02funmanlcd is missing for e200, fuze, and c200
21:23:35funmanwell what I read from that register is 0 .. interesting
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21:30:12n1ssaratoga: It seems like the mdct codecs lib is built with the same O level as the core rockbox, is this intended? (might be worth checking out on Gigabeat at least)
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21:31:17saratogan1s: which level is that?
21:32:15n1ssaratoga: O1 for arm, Os for coldfire, IIRC i tried it with O2 on coldfire but it made no difference, and all arm targets _but_ the gigabeat use the asm mdct
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21:34:43saratogaI need to investigate that further
21:34:54saratogai'm skeptical that the c version should be faster on the gigabeat, and if it is, i would like to know why
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22:35:27funmanmcuelenaere: what does "Yes (no rockbox driver yet)" mean for USB support in TargetStatus ?
22:35:45mcuelenaereyou mean for the Onda targets?
22:36:10mcuelenaereit means: I got it working, but I haven't wrote a Rockbox compatible USB driver (yet)
22:36:19mcuelenaereit's the same story for the audio
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23:10:36dead3rare the downloads not working for rockbox?
23:10:52n1sturns out that changing CLKCTL_MPCTL is probably not the way to go, as that is the clock for the whole SoC so a lot of different clocks are derived from it, there is a separate divider for the arm core though, but changing that makes the beast hang :(
23:10:56dead3rany release i download is just over 2.2 mb
23:11:13BigBambidead3r: Which file?
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23:11:52BigBambiand what do you mean any release?
23:12:00n1swhy is 2.2MB wrong?
23:12:10BigBambiThat looks fine to me
23:12:19dead3rit's not unzipping
23:12:31n1sdead3r: are you on a mac?
23:12:43gevaertsunzips fine here
23:12:47dead3rdo i need a 3rd party zip?
23:13:00BigBambimac OS X is a bit braindead on unzipping
23:13:11n1sdead3r: the dir in the zip starts with a dot so the friendly unzipping app hides it :)
23:13:11BigBambiuse rbutil, it is much easier
23:13:18linuxstbNot OS X, just Finder. The command-line "unzip" program works fine.
23:13:35BigBambilinuxstb: Sorry, yes
23:14:41linuxstbdead3r: We recommend this -
23:15:24dead3rthankyou sir
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23:17:34dead3rdetected an unsupported apple player varient
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23:18:12BigBambiIs it a classic?
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23:18:58dead3r80gig vid
23:19:09dead3rhas cover flow
23:19:13BigBambiThat is a classic
23:19:23BigBambiAnd Rockbox doesn't work on it
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23:21:06dead3ri'm guessing the support for it is still in development?
23:21:32scorche|shno one is working on it at the moment
23:21:34BigBambiNot really
23:21:48BigBambidead3r: It is encrypted and new undocumented hardware
23:22:30BigBambiBaring a major unexpected and remarkably unlikely breakthrough, you won't see it for a long long long long time, if ever
23:22:34dead3roh i see
23:22:39BigBambiMy money is on never personally
23:23:08dead3rbrings to mind the PSP
23:23:18dead3rtoo bad
23:25:14*bluebrother likes the "unsupported player variant" detection :)
23:25:37linuxstbbluebrother: Doesn't rbutil say what it's detected?
23:26:50bluebrotherit says that it detected a player, but the detected player is unsupported
23:27:48dead3ri think mine's a 6th gen, no?
23:28:09bluebrotherhmm, how are stacks handled in the sim? It seems that trying to solve an empty sudoku hangs in an endless (?) loop until stkov
23:28:14bluebrotherbut in the sim it works fine.
23:28:34BigBambidead3r: yes, that is what a classic is
23:29:17funmanbluebrother: It probably uses the host' stack
23:29:28linuxstbIt does.
23:29:29funmannot sure if it's given by linker or operating system
23:29:52bluebrotheranyone ever tried using the same stack on the sim?
23:30:13funmanbluebrother: try "ulimit -s yourstacklimit"
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23:32:53lwizardli'm having trouble installing rockbox on my black 30gb ipod video. using the windows installer
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23:33:42bluebrotherso ... how does this trouble look like?
23:34:10lwizardlin the installer it fails the complete install
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23:34:56bluebrotherand I bet it fails with *drumrolls* an error message!
23:35:25bluebrotherso, you're expecting me to guess your error message?
23:35:38lwizardlfailed to install bootloader
23:36:03bluebrotherok. How did you configure? Did you use the autodetection button?
23:36:38lwizardlyes it detected the player but not the type
23:36:55bluebrotherthe player but not the type?
23:37:05bluebrotherso what did it detect?
23:37:13lwizardlit found its mount point, and the opened the apple tab but didn't highlight the model
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23:37:35bluebrotherdid you do a manual install / a previous install?
23:38:21funmancan you try on a USB1.1 connection ?
23:38:36lwizardlall my ports on the machine are 2.0
23:38:36bluebrotherdo you have a hub between PC and player?
23:38:52lwizardlbluebrother: nope direct to the ports on the back of the pc
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23:39:06bluebrothercan you try a different cable?
23:39:17lwizardlnope only cable i have
23:39:57bluebrotherwell, it looks like ipodpatcher isn't recognizing the Ipod. There have been reports for this happening due to bad cables or usb ports.
23:40:00funmansay 'abracadabra' and try again ;)
23:40:13lwizardltrying different ports
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23:40:27bluebrotherso you could try to use a different usb port. If that fails try to borrow a cable somewhere
23:40:38bluebrotheror try a different computer.
23:40:39lwizardlthat worked
23:40:52lwizardlport next to the nic cable worked
23:41:02lwizardlinstalling fonts now
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23:45:44lwizardlok it said i have to manually install the themes
23:48:59lwizardlbut i'm not seeing the instructions on how to do it. can someone point me in the direction
23:51:09lwizardlyeah i'm looking at that page. when i select my ipod version it just takes me to a place to download various themes
23:51:27lwizardlbut does not explain on how to install them
23:53:14bluebrotherjust unzip the files to the player
23:53:30lwizardlto the root?
23:54:06bluebrotherand "rockbox theme install" is a good term for asking google ...
23:54:17bluebrotheryes, to the root. If that doesn't work the theme is not packaged properly
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