| 00:00:54 | rasher | Hrm, rockboxdev.sh seems a bit unfit to build a crosscompiled sdl |
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| 00:02:02 | funman | doesn't sdl distribute built dev packages? |
| 00:03:18 | rasher | It would seem so |
| 00:05:05 | rasher | Although I'm not sure it'd work |
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| 00:09:12 | funman | why? |
| 00:09:53 | rasher | I don't know if the mingw32 package is identical to what we'd want. But maybe |
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| 00:12:38 | rasher | Well, I'm getting a compile error |
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| 00:16:48 | rasher | Which I don't get if I compile SDL myself, so it would seem that *something* isn't right |
| 00:18:05 | funman | some difference in the headers? |
| 00:18:14 | funman | or a missing symbol? |
| 00:18:28 | rasher | Yes :) |
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| 00:20:38 | funman | I played a bit with the cpu and peripheral clocks on the Clip but no result for SD :( |
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| 00:24:10 | rasher | Bagder: do you use tools/release/bins.pl for building the dailies? |
| 00:24:10 | Bagder | no, only releases |
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| 00:24:10 | Bagder | it was derived from my daily-build script |
| 00:24:10 | funman | by the way the NAND/SD isr branches to code loaded from the flash into SDRAM |
| 00:24:10 | funman | so the interrupts are not required |
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| 00:24:10 | rasher | Bagder: wouldn't it make sense to merge them? Aren't they practically the same, except for the version in the filename? |
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| 00:24:10 | Bagder | basically, yes |
| 00:24:23 | Bagder | the dailies are in different subdirs too |
| 00:24:33 | rasher | So if I made a tools/releases/w32sims.pl, we'd be nearly there? |
| 00:24:45 | Bagder | it'd be a fine start yes |
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| 00:26:23 | funman | would you have documentation resources on fastbus/synchronous/asynchronous mode of ARM cpu ? |
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| 00:31:14 | denes_ | funman: that I was wondering about myself. isn't the meaning simply fastbus:cpu_clock=preipheral_clock asynchronous=cpu_clock>peripheral_clock? some documentation would be good though. |
| 00:32:07 | funman | that makes sense: the cpu is in fastbus at reset, so you have time to setup the clocks |
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| 00:32:24 | funman | google mostly leads to arm.com website |
| 00:35:34 | denes_ | funman: I gathered this from the s5l8700 docs. when it talks about the DSP (and not the ARM core), this is how it describes fastbus and asynchronous mode. |
| 00:40:07 | funman | "In FastBus mode GCLK is sourced from BCLK. The FCLK input is ignored. This means that BCLK is used to control the AMBA ASB interface and the internal ARM922T processor core." |
| 00:40:14 | mattgs | Hi. I have a 5.5 gen 80 gig windows ipod, and I am running linux. I am trying to use the rockbox utility to install rockbox on my ipod, but I keep getting the error message "could not open ipod" I don't know what I am doing wrong |
| 00:40:20 | funman | fclk is the cpu clock, not sure about gclk and bclk |
| 00:40:32 | funman | mattgs: are you running as root ? |
| 00:40:42 | mattgs | no |
| 00:41:00 | mattgs | should I? |
| 00:41:08 | funman | yes, you must :) |
| 00:41:15 | mattgs | thank you |
| 00:41:53 | funman | denes_: how far are you with your work? |
| 00:42:34 | denes_ | funman: trying to reverse engineer the FTL. That will take a long time. Otherwise I think the port is in good shape. |
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| 00:42:58 | funman | can you somehow dump a full image of the flash to analyze it on your host ? |
| 00:43:31 | denes_ | funman: no yet, because gevaerts has not hacked in the usb i think. |
| 00:44:00 | funman | denes_: dany_21_a managed to dump the e200v2 ROM by connecting a pin he controlled (the button led) to its soundcard |
| 00:44:01 | denes_ | funman: but i am afraid it has to be reverse engineered from the OF anyway. |
| 00:44:14 | denes_ | funman: hehe :) nice |
| 00:44:16 | funman | I see |
| 00:44:35 | funman | he has put some code he used in the sansav2 git repository if that can help you |
| 00:44:42 | denes_ | funman: you are lucky, that the clip uses sd. there is no ftl. |
| 00:44:56 | funman | maybe a sdtl :P |
| 00:45:08 | denes_ | funman: that's probably done by the hardware. |
| 00:45:21 | funman | yes that's what I understand |
| 00:45:25 | denes_ | funman: I mean I guess |
| 00:45:34 | funman | I hope ^^ |
| 00:45:40 | denes_ | right |
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| 00:46:49 | denes_ | funman: the way I "dumped" the bootrom of another mp3 player, was to display it on the screen, and a colleague typed it in the computer :) |
| 00:47:00 | denes_ | funman: only 4KB :) |
| 00:47:18 | funman | ouch you were motivated :) |
| 00:47:59 | denes_ | funman: yes, but then I didn't find anything useable in the bootrom :) |
| 00:48:20 | funman | I have another 'dead' mp3 player but I need to find a usable OF |
| 00:48:37 | funman | the one flashed on it only allow to use it as a USB mass storage - no more DAP features |
| 00:48:53 | denes_ | funman: what player is this? |
| 00:49:18 | funman | http://static1.mundoanuncio.com/img/2008/2/4/11577250951.jpg bmp6607 |
| 00:49:33 | funman | plays 'amv' videos : a kind of mjpeg in avi |
| 00:50:18 | denes_ | funman: ah this s1mp3, with the z80 core+dsp? |
| 00:50:22 | funman | I have the Clip running at 240MHz now: display errors very fast ! |
| 00:50:35 | funman | denes_: no idea |
| 00:50:51 | funman | well, there's an Ali chip inside |
| 00:51:18 | funman | I kind of suppose it was sold under different brands |
| 00:51:30 | funman | bluesky is a 'discount' brand of carrefour |
| 00:51:35 | denes_ | funman: you could take a look at s1mp3.org |
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| 00:52:52 | funman | I have browsed it already: the CPU is an ATJ |
| 00:53:39 | funman | if I want to work on it ever again I need at least the OF .. |
| 00:54:12 | denes_ | funman: you probably can't do much with it - if it really has a z80 with an undocumented dsp |
| 00:54:52 | funman | at least I could do with the z80 |
| 00:55:52 | denes_ | funman: yes, play wav :) anyway, I gotta go to bed. so see you later. |
| 00:55:57 | funman | see you ;) |
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| 00:59:13 | funman | it seems obvious that SanDisk uses the IDE and MemoryStick clocks for the pl180 |
| 00:59:36 | funman | as3525 datasheet mentions max clock frequencies of 90 and 40MHz respectively for IDE and MS |
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| 00:59:54 | funman | and the OF uses 128MHz and 80MHz |
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| 01:04:28 | funman | now I notice the OF enables the DMA controller - I wonder if that would help |
| 01:06:21 | mc2739 | funman: just tested e200 build from svn - get this error - http://www.pastebin.ca/1239146 |
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| 01:08:13 | funman | mc2739: did you select bootloader build? |
| 01:08:19 | mc2739 | yes |
| 01:08:54 | mc2739 | I had a good build with your earlier commits (r18900) |
| 01:09:12 | funman | I suspect it is rev 18902 |
| 01:09:34 | mc2739 | maybe this - http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/firmware/export/config-e200v2.h?r1=18902&r2=18901&pathrev=18902 |
| 01:09:36 | * | linuxstb investigates |
| 01:09:48 | funman | mc2739: yes exact |
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| 01:14:00 | linuxstb | mc2739: Comment out the HAVE_USBSTACK define in that file |
| 01:14:27 | mc2739 | linuxstb: OK - brb |
| 01:16:44 | mc2739 | taht worked - it builds now |
| 01:16:52 | mc2739 | s/taht/that/ |
| 01:21:28 | mc2739 | still no backlight or display activity |
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| 01:21:57 | Avalon_Scythe | Ello Govna BRB |
| 01:22:05 | linuxstb | mc2739: Did you make the required change in the bootloader to attempt to enable the backlight? |
| 01:23:26 | mc2739 | linuxstb: which change? |
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| 01:25:48 | JdGordon | linuxstb: from the apps/ level there should be no difference at all between the e200 v1 and v2 model? |
| 01:25:56 | linuxstb | mc2739: Something like this - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/backlight_test.diff |
| 01:25:58 | funman | mc2739: some code with i2c |
| 01:26:07 | JdGordon | so all those lang changes may not have been needed |
| 01:26:57 | linuxstb | The lang files use the model name, which is different. |
| 01:27:31 | JdGordon | oh, hmm |
| 01:28:07 | Avalon_Scythe | hey can u guys help me, my Sansa e200 is in recovery mode and it has a curropted txt file with funny greek looking letters |
| 01:28:24 | Avalon_Scythe | Can You tell me How I can fix that txt File |
| 01:28:24 | linuxstb | JdGordon: But the lang file changes were trivial - just replacing "e200" with "e200*" |
| 01:28:47 | Avalon_Scythe | BRB |
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| 01:30:20 | funman | is there any interest disabling temporarily interrupts if it's not to access some peripheral device ? |
| 01:32:44 | mc2739 | still no go on backlight - never returns from lcd_init_device(); |
| 01:34:19 | linuxstb | mc2739: Ah... Have you tried moving that backlight code to before the lcd code? You'll need to move as3525_codec_init(); as well. |
| 01:34:39 | linuxstb | i.e. right after system_init. |
| 01:34:56 | mc2739 | trying... |
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| 01:36:01 | linuxstb | funman: I'm not sure what you mean. |
| 01:36:18 | funman | I'm not sure what I read in the disassembler either :) |
| 01:37:40 | funman | I try to read step-by-step what the OF does from reset vector to nand initialization |
| 01:37:47 | funman | there is still some unanalyzed bits |
| 01:38:22 | funman | and all these unanalyzed bits enable and disable interrupts a lot of times |
| 01:38:39 | linuxstb | funman: BTW, the bootloader should call lcd_init(), which in turn calls lcd_init_device(), and lcd_clear_display, rather than calling lcd_init_device() directly. But it's not important yet. |
| 01:38:53 | mc2739 | linuxstb, funman: we now have a backlight on e200v2 |
| 01:38:59 | funman | \o/ |
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| 01:39:35 | funman | are the lcd_write_*() functions written yet ? |
| 01:39:41 | webguest06 | hi |
| 01:39:50 | linuxstb | mc2739: Nice. |
| 01:40:17 | linuxstb | funman: Yes, but something seems wrong - mc2739 said that lcd_init_device never returns. |
| 01:41:02 | funman | the culprit seems to be _display_on() |
| 01:41:50 | funman | is fb_data typedef always short ? |
| 01:41:50 | Avalon_Scythe | ELLO |
| 01:41:55 | Avalon_Scythe | can someone help me |
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| 01:42:08 | krazykit | Avalon_Scythe, only if you ask a question |
| 01:42:10 | funman | Avalon_Scythe: you could try google for "how to unbrick e200" |
| 01:42:11 | linuxstb | funman: On 16bpp displays, yes. |
| 01:42:19 | Avalon_Scythe | no no no |
| 01:42:40 | Avalon_Scythe | You See My Sansa e200 is in recovery mode and it ahs a currpoted txt file |
| 01:42:49 | Avalon_Scythe | can you show me how to fix it |
| 01:43:07 | funman | linuxstb: mc2739 the only problem I see would be waiting for a bit set in DBOP_STAT |
| 01:44:19 | linuxstb | Either that, or I do something so bad that the e200 dies... |
| 01:44:24 | funman | linuxstb: you don't enable the dbop clock |
| 01:44:38 | linuxstb | haha |
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| 01:44:47 | linuxstb | Guess that will help... |
| 01:45:00 | funman | I don't know what is the exact setting for CGU_DBOP in e200 |
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| 01:45:52 | Avalon_Scythe | anyone? |
| 01:46:57 | * | Avalon_Scythe waits patiently for an answer |
| 01:47:08 | funman | mc2739: what if you add a CGU_DBOP = (1<<3)|3; at the top of ams3525_dbop_init() ? |
| 01:47:15 | mc2739 | Avalon_Scythe: have you searched the forum for "corrupt version.txt"? |
| 01:47:45 | Avalon_Scythe | um no |
| 01:47:49 | Avalon_Scythe | i tried google leme check |
| 01:48:10 | mc2739 | funman: where is that? |
| 01:48:45 | funman | firmware/target/arm/as3525/sansa-e200v2/lcd-e200v2.c |
| 01:51:42 | funman | or just CGU_DBOP = (1<<3); |
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| 01:53:50 | mc2739 | ok - CGU_DBOP = (1<<3)|3; gives noise on display, then mirrored sideways rockbox logo which then gets partially overwritten |
| 01:54:15 | funman | woah cool ! |
| 01:54:17 | linuxstb | \o/ |
| 01:54:19 | funman | how does it get overritten ? |
| 01:54:39 | rasher | Oooh |
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| 01:54:47 | * | rasher cheers linuxstb, funman and mc2739 on |
| 01:54:50 | linuxstb | funman: Are you looking at the OF disassembly? I'm seeing CGU_DBOP = (1<<3) at 0x1184 |
| 01:55:12 | funman | well |= |
| 01:55:14 | linuxstb | (but some code I'm not following before it) |
| 01:55:19 | linuxstb | funman: Yes, that's what I meant. |
| 01:55:20 | funman | but the divider might have been set elsewhere |
| 01:55:21 | mc2739 | funman: it is drawn rotated 90 degrees - the bottom of the logo overwrites the top |
| 01:55:48 | funman | horizontal versus vertical packing maybe |
| 01:56:05 | funman | you can change that, but I guess the functions need to be changed as well |
| 01:56:46 | linuxstb | mc2739: Have you re-run ../tools/configure today? |
| 01:56:50 | kkurbjun | does anyone know how to check out a specific revision from SVN? Either my measurements are really off, or the gigabeat F's idle current draw has gone up 20 mA since I started measuring the current. |
| 01:56:51 | funman | what about the colours ? |
| 01:57:03 | funman | kkurbjun: svn co -r |
| 01:57:27 | mc2739 | yes, after r18906 |
| 01:57:32 | Avalon_Scythe | OH I C mc |
| 01:57:39 | mc2739 | colors look good |
| 01:57:41 | Avalon_Scythe | do u know were i can get a linux live CD |
| 01:57:59 | linuxstb | mc2739: Can you take a photo? |
| 01:58:09 | funman | pic or it didn't happen |
| 01:58:16 | kkurbjun | funman: great, thanks |
| 01:58:20 | Avalon_Scythe | hey MC |
| 01:58:32 | Avalon_Scythe | do u know were i can get a linux live CD |
| 01:58:45 | linuxstb | This should be relatively easy to fix - I expect Sandisk use the LCD in a different way to Rockbox, so we'll need to init it differently. |
| 01:59:12 | mc2739 | yes I can get pic, but may take a bit - need to get camera from my brother |
| 01:59:17 | Avalon_Scythe | hey ur name is linuxstb so u should know were i can get a linux live CD |
| 01:59:21 | funman | linuxstb: to be honest I don't remember where I saw the clock divider for dbop module |
| 01:59:33 | funman | maybe I just tried the lowest speed to be safe ;) |
| 01:59:51 | linuxstb | Avalon_Scythe: I've no idea, but I wouldd try entering "linux live cd" in google |
| 01:59:57 | Avalon_Scythe | kk |
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| 02:00:58 | mc2739 | can the rotation and mirroring be fixed easily? |
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| 02:01:22 | Avalon_Scythe | OH can u change windows TEMPORARILY tolinux |
| 02:01:35 | Avalon_Scythe | to linux* so u can get a linux live CD |
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| 02:01:43 | funman | Avalon_Scythe: I think it's a question for other channels |
| 02:01:48 | webguest404 | hi I just downloaded a current build and it didn't have sudoku in the games app |
| 02:01:57 | funman | mc2739: not that easily because the hardware is unknown |
| 02:02:05 | linuxstb | mc2739: I think it's "just" a matter of changing the inits for the LCD - and we have datasheets, so it shouldn't be a problem. |
| 02:02:14 | funman | oh do you have ? |
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| 02:02:29 | linuxstb | funman: It's a known LCD controller - lots of Rockbox targets use it (iriver, iaudio, ipods...) |
| 02:02:34 | funman | cool |
| 02:02:38 | Avalon_Scythe | awwww damn, |
| 02:02:46 | Avalon_Scythe | I gota find someone with a linux |
| 02:03:01 | funman | on #linux ? |
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| 02:03:23 | Avalon_Scythe | Oh hold on can u put a linux live CD in windows and it still works? |
| 02:03:46 | lupin_sansei | Hello, just installed RB on my 4th gen iPod and I love it, but when I do a db import it seems to get stuck at a certain point even if I leave it overnight. I suspect I have a dodgy hard drive. Would it be worth reformatting the drive in disk mode and trying again? |
| 02:03:48 | krazykit | Avalon_Scythe, this is not a linux channel. take it to ##linux or elsewhere |
| 02:03:57 | Avalon_Scythe | kk |
| 02:03:58 | webguest404 | about the sudoku game, is it me or is it gone ? |
| 02:04:33 | Avalon_Scythe | #linux |
| 02:04:34 | kkurbjun | webguest404: sudoku is broken in SVN right now |
| 02:04:37 | linuxstb | lupin_sansei: Have you tried checking it for errors - e.g. with "chkdsk" or "fsck.vfat" ? |
| 02:04:55 | kkurbjun | I'm not sure if it's missing from the build zips because of it |
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| 02:05:03 | webguest404 | ah, thanks. I'm not going mad :-) |
| 02:05:17 | lupin_sansei | linuxstb: I tried the Windows gui around chkdsk (I assume that's what it is) and it did fix errors but BR still gets stuck |
| 02:05:31 | mc2739 | brb |
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| 02:07:59 | funman | linuxstb: can you add the backlight code at the right location ? |
| 02:08:29 | linuxstb | lupin_sansei: If I was you, I think I would reformat and reinstall - just to be sure that nothing is corrupted. |
| 02:09:11 | linuxstb | funman: If I knew what that location was. I'm not sure where that as3525_codec_init should go - I'll have a look... |
| 02:09:19 | lupin_sansei | linuxstb: okay I'm happy doing that. I basically just mount the ipod in disk mode and use windows to reformat don't I? |
| 02:09:56 | linuxstb | lupin_sansei: How big is the disk? |
| 02:10:05 | lupin_sansei | linuxstb: 20GB |
| 02:10:09 | funman | why not in the bootloader ? I was thinking of something like backlight_on/off() to enable/disable |
| 02:10:55 | linuxstb | funman: It's too specific - I think it should be hidden inside another init. Remember that all this code we're writing will eventually be used to build the main Rockbox. |
| 02:11:37 | funman | what's the problem ? |
| 02:12:14 | lupin_sansei | random question - are there any commercial mp3 players which use Rockbox as their firmware? |
| 02:13:36 | funman | linuxstb: I see _backlight_on/off() for e200v1 |
| 02:15:29 | linuxstb | funman: Yes, that's where the actual backlight code will go - I'm just thinking about where that as3525_codec_init() call should go. |
| 02:16:27 | cool_walking_ | lupin_sansei: As their stock firmware you mean? Nope. |
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| 02:17:17 | funman | linuxstb: i2c_init() is called in the bootloaders (main-pp for example) |
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| 02:17:37 | funman | #if defined(SANSA_E200) || defined(PHILIPS_SA9200) i2c_init(); _backlight_on(); |
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| 02:21:57 | linuxstb | funman: OK, I'll leave it there for now, and just implement the backlight functions - a copy/paste from the v1s for now, but maybe we'll need to try and unify the code a little. Other things are likely to be the same as well. |
| 02:25:28 | funman | power_off() is identical also |
| 02:26:44 | funman | oh .. I wonder if some tuning of the voltages by i2c is needed for SD |
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| 02:29:05 | lupin_sansei | thanks for the tips |
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| 02:43:09 | linuxstb | funman: backlight stuff committed (plus a little lcd cleanup) |
| 02:43:16 | * | linuxstb wonders if he'll see mc2739's photo tonight, or if he should go to sleep |
| 02:44:05 | * | funman can't go to sleep before the picture |
| 02:44:18 | * | linuxstb has a job |
| 02:44:43 | funman | with nice pictures as reward ? ;) |
| 02:45:25 | linuxstb | If you want some nighttime reading, the LCD datasheet is linked from here - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200v2 |
| 02:45:36 | funman | no thanks ;) |
| 02:45:44 | funman | does lcd_init() call lcd_enable() ? |
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| 02:46:11 | funman | oh it was in the next chunk ;) |
| 02:47:10 | linuxstb | IIUC, the default state should be enabled when initialised. Also, HAVE_LCD_ENABLE doesn't seem to be defined for bootloader builds normally (for e200v1 at least) |
| 02:48:19 | linuxstb | My guess (for the LCD) is that we should copy the e200v1 init more closely - that also appears to be using the same controller (but the update is done differently) |
| 02:49:58 | funman | requires some testing from e200 owners |
| 02:50:05 | funman | thanks to you they have something to start from |
| 02:51:02 | linuxstb | Or possibly someone that knows these controllers (e.g. amiconn) will immediately tell us what's wrong (if we ever get a photo...) |
| 02:51:35 | funman | mirroring should be easy to fix, rotation looks weird |
| 02:51:53 | linuxstb | I think that's just part of the init - you can configure the orientation. |
| 02:52:57 | linuxstb | But I gave up commenting all the inits about half way through... |
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| 02:54:48 | funman | look page 61 of the datasheet |
| 02:56:26 | linuxstb | That's it ;) |
| 02:56:42 | funman | R_ENTRY_MODE |
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| 02:57:26 | funman | should try 0x38 for a start |
| 02:57:30 | funman | mc2739: still around ? |
| 02:58:24 | * | funman wonders why all e200v2 owners are only available for testing when there is nothing to test |
| 02:58:40 | linuxstb | Maybe those writes in lcd_update() and lcd_update_reg() aren't needed. I think they're just copied from the iaudio x5 or h300 driver. |
| 02:58:49 | linuxstb | s/reg/rect/ |
| 02:59:20 | funman | I think a write modifies the start address |
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| 03:00:42 | linuxstb | I think I'll leave you to it - hopefully a tester with a camera will appear soon, and I'll wake up to a nice photo. |
| 03:00:44 | linuxstb | Goodnight. |
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| 03:01:18 | funman | night! |
| 03:03:07 | funman | oh .. the OF definitely messes with i2c |
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| 03:09:25 | funman | oh it's probably due to the code using R_ENTRY_MODE_*VERT |
| 03:09:41 | * | funman understands what linuxstb meant |
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| 03:14:34 | JdGordon | oh bloody hell... missed them by 5 min :( |
| 03:16:00 | linuxstb | Not quite... |
| 03:16:18 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Still here? |
| 03:16:27 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 03:16:51 | linuxstb | Let me commit one change to SVN, then you can test. |
| 03:17:20 | JdGordon | sure |
| 03:18:10 | linuxstb | OK, hopefully you should now see something on the LCD. |
| 03:18:22 | linuxstb | Have you built for the e200v2 before? |
| 03:18:51 | JdGordon | yeah, once, but never got it installed yet though because my sansa and comp dont like eachother |
| 03:18:57 | JdGordon | have to use my laptop to install... |
| 03:19:10 | linuxstb | Oops, my commit failed - update again now (if you already have) |
| 03:19:47 | JdGordon | line 97? |
| 03:20:00 | linuxstb | Yes, the addition of CGU_DBOP |
| 03:20:17 | JdGordon | target/arm/as3525/sansa-e200v2/lcd-e200v2.c:97: error: stray ‘\194’ in program |
| 03:20:20 | linuxstb | Oops, seems funman already comitted.... |
| 03:20:22 | JdGordon | r18911 |
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| 03:21:36 | JdGordon | 2am? bad yesterday or bad tomorow? :D |
| 03:22:57 | JdGordon | wierd.. bad whitespace or something |
| 03:22:59 | linuxstb | Seems to be both. |
| 03:24:26 | linuxstb | Yes, it's a dodgy character added by funman - between the "|" and the "(4-1)" |
| 03:24:53 | JdGordon | ok, got it built, 1 min |
| 03:26:07 | * | JdGordon curses technology |
| 03:27:33 | mc2739 | linuxstb: picture posted (not a very good one though) - http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14064.msg138172#msg138172 |
| 03:28:50 | linuxstb | mc2739: Hopefully we can improve that... |
| 03:29:50 | JdGordon | ... nothing is happening... ? |
| 03:30:35 | linuxstb | Hmm... |
| 03:31:08 | JdGordon | i can still get into the of though so not completly dead |
| 03:31:17 | JdGordon | but yeah, black lcd, no backlight |
| 03:32:03 | JdGordon | "mkamsboot e200pA.bin.of bootloader-e200v2.sansa e200pA.bin" is correct yeah? |
| 03:32:29 | linuxstb | Yes. If dual-booting works, then the mkamsboot part was fine. |
| 03:32:30 | mc2739 | JdGordon: yes, that looks correct |
| 03:33:52 | linuxstb | mc2739: What was the line you added to lcd-e200v2.c ? |
| 03:34:10 | linuxstb | Was it "CGU_DBOP |=" or "CGU_DBOP =" |
| 03:34:13 | mc2739 | linuxstb: CGU_DBOP = (1<<3)|3; |
| 03:34:42 | linuxstb | OK, so same as SVN... |
| 03:36:05 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Could you try commenting out the calls to lcd_init() and show_logo() in bootloader/sansa_as3525.c and see if the backlight comes on? |
| 03:36:28 | JdGordon | k |
| 03:37:30 | linuxstb | mc2739: Do you still have the working code? (i.e. you haven't updated to current SVN) ? |
| 03:38:46 | mc2739 | yes, still at 18906 - haven't changed anything since it worked |
| 03:38:50 | JdGordon | still nothing |
| 03:38:59 | linuxstb | mc2739: Good. In the lcd_update() and lcd_update_rect() functions, can you replace "R_ENTRY_MODE_SOLID_VERT" with "R_ENTRY_MODE_HORZ" ? |
| 03:40:27 | linuxstb | JdGordon: OK, then the final thing (to change back to the code that works for mc2739) is to add #include "as3514.h" to the bootloader, and then replace the call to _backlight_on() with "as3525_codec_write(AS3514_DCDC15, 6);" (keep the lcd stuff commented out for now) |
| 03:41:47 | JdGordon | hmm odd... put it back on and yes i have backlight |
| 03:42:24 | linuxstb | So calling as3525_codec_write() works, but _backlight_on() doesn't? |
| 03:42:51 | JdGordon | no, i tihnk it was the reconfigure i just did... uncommenting out the l\cd_init line now |
| 03:43:12 | linuxstb | AH yes, there were changes earlier today to the configure script. |
| 03:43:24 | JdGordon | :( that would explain it then.. sorry about that |
| 03:44:06 | JdGordon | awesome! |
| 03:44:16 | JdGordon | rotated 90 deg, and backwards! |
| 03:44:21 | linuxstb | Perfect ;) |
| 03:44:22 | mc2739 | linuxstb: logo is not mirrored or rotated now |
| 03:44:34 | linuxstb | \o/ |
| 03:44:44 | linuxstb | Is there a "but", or does that mean it's perfect? |
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| 03:45:24 | mc2739 | but it looks like it draws 176 pixels and then starts at the top again and overwrites |
| 03:46:12 | mc2739 | the logo looks exactly square with noise at the bottom |
| 03:47:10 | mc2739 | like the picture, but with the correct orientation |
| 03:47:33 | linuxstb | OK, I definitely need to go to bed now. I'll leave it up to you two to continue if you want - the datasheet is here... http://www.densitron.com/uploadedFiles/Displays/Support/ILI9221DS_V015.pdf |
| 03:48:02 | mc2739 | g'nite - good work so far |
| 03:48:24 | JdGordon | wee,, gnight |
| 03:48:31 | linuxstb | gnight. |
| 03:52:19 | JdGordon | should I commit that change to get it rotated correctly? |
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| 03:54:14 | mc2739 | sure |
| 03:54:51 | mc2739 | it will be one less thing to do lates |
| 03:55:01 | mc2739 | s/lates/later/ |
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| 04:09:05 | JdGordon | 8-colour mode could be an interesting option to save power and have the display on |
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| 06:32:41 | mc2739 | JdGordon: ping |
| 06:33:57 | JdGordon | pong |
| 06:34:14 | mc2739 | here is a fix for the e200v2 display - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9511 |
| 06:34:33 | JdGordon | can you dcc me the diff? my net is fubar |
| 06:34:41 | JdGordon | or direct link the diff? |
| 06:35:04 | mc2739 | how about pastebin? |
| 06:35:13 | JdGordon | pastebin sometimes works |
| 06:35:26 | JdGordon | im capped atm, and flyspray almost always times out |
| 06:35:48 | JdGordon | ah dw, worked |
| 06:36:17 | mc2739 | http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/63933/ |
| 06:37:07 | JdGordon | hehe, silly change :p |
| 06:37:38 | mc2739 | lcd_update_rect() probably needs the same change |
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| 06:38:50 | mc2739 | but it looked a bit too complicated for me to figure out tonight |
| 06:40:47 | JdGordon | why is the button light code in the lcd code? |
| 06:40:52 | JdGordon | or just hasnt been moved yet? |
| 06:41:14 | JdGordon | cool, its using the whole screen now, but the imge is still fubar? |
| 06:41:32 | mc2739 | how? |
| 06:42:04 | JdGordon | bassically a yellow rectangle at the top? |
| 06:42:15 | JdGordon | its correct for you? |
| 06:42:35 | mc2739 | button light code was there - just #if 0'd |
| 06:43:02 | JdGordon | oh yeah.. |
| 06:43:10 | JdGordon | is the lcd correct for you? |
| 06:43:19 | mc2739 | its correct on mine - rockbox logo - version number on bottom - ID: on top line above logo |
| 06:43:45 | JdGordon | ok, ive done a make clean and trying again |
| 06:45:48 | JdGordon | weee :) all working |
| 06:46:01 | JdGordon | ill fix that button light code and commit |
| 06:46:17 | mc2739 | ok - thanks |
| 06:46:41 | JdGordon | are both lines needed each time its toggled? |
| 06:48:13 | mc2739 | probably yes |
| 06:48:35 | JdGordon | one way to find out :p |
| 06:49:14 | mc2739 | you can just toggle bit 7, but if the direction gets changed elsewhere, it probably won't work |
| 06:49:43 | JdGordon | why would the direction change? |
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| 06:50:27 | mc2739 | I don't know that it would |
| 06:50:50 | JdGordon | isnt the calls backwards? shouldnt the direction be set before setting the value? |
| 06:51:38 | mc2739 | thats what I would think, but it works both ways |
| 06:52:05 | JdGordon | ok, its all working |
| 06:52:27 | mc2739 | good |
| 06:57:58 | JdGordon | mc2739: http://pastebin.ca/1239375 seems to work |
| 06:58:22 | JdGordon | replcaing lcd_update() with lcd_update_rect() doing the full screen... probably not the best way to test though? |
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| 07:04:42 | mc2739 | I'm get Hunk failed - on lcd-e200v2.c - at 364 and at 408 |
| 07:06:20 | JdGordon | dw, its working |
| 07:06:35 | JdGordon | i think... |
| 07:10:03 | JdGordon | yeah, it works :) in it goes |
| 07:12:00 | mc2739 | http://pastebin.ca/1239375 has an #if 0 around the some of the code |
| 07:12:26 | JdGordon | yeah, cleaned that up.. that was just for testing _rect |
| 07:12:45 | JdGordon | the gram doesnt get cleared on bootup... |
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| 07:13:54 | mc2739 | maybe it should be cleared before the backlight gets turned on |
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| 07:15:24 | JdGordon | wierd.. ok, apparently it should be.. probably ignore everything i just said about it not clearing and put it down to how i tested update_rect |
| 07:16:04 | mc2739 | ok - ignoring |
| 07:17:42 | mc2739 | looks good - I'm off to bed again |
| 07:17:48 | JdGordon | gnight |
| 07:17:56 | mc2739 | gnight |
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| 07:30:26 | JdGordon | what does target/arm/ffs-arm.S:46: Error: selected processor does not support `clz r0,r1' mean? |
| 07:30:35 | JdGordon | other than what it says.... |
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| 07:52:07 | amiconn | JdGordon: It means exactly what it says... the selected arm processor doesn't support the 'clz' instruction |
| 07:52:22 | amiconn | For which target do you get this error? |
| 07:52:46 | JdGordon | e200v2, thought id try a regular build../. its needed for priority scheduling apparently |
| 07:52:56 | JdGordon | so i gave up and back to playing in the bootloader |
| 07:53:10 | amiconn | e200v2 is ams? |
| 07:53:19 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 07:55:56 | amiconn | It has an ARM922T core, which is armv4 |
| 07:56:15 | amiconn | So the ARM_ARCH macro for the e200v2 is wrong |
| 07:56:44 | * | JdGordon back in 10 |
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| 08:11:44 | JdGordon | if a gpio direction bit is set its output yeah? (on the ams) |
| 08:12:26 | amiconn | JdGordon: I've just committed the ams arm version fix |
| 08:12:40 | JdGordon | thanks |
| 08:14:29 | * | JdGordon thinks he is reading the comments in the m200v2 button driver wrong |
| 08:17:09 | * | amiconn glares at the build table |
| 08:19:37 | JdGordon | is there something more I need to do to read a gpio pin than setting the DIR bit? |
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| 08:26:48 | JdGordon | wow! thats alot of red :D |
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| 08:28:27 | amiconn | Yeah, domonoky goofed |
| 08:28:36 | * | amiconn ponders reverting for now |
| 08:28:54 | amiconn | Seems he didn't commit all necessary changes |
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| 08:29:37 | bertrik | wow, e200v2 displays works! :) |
| 08:29:42 | amiconn | Hmm, build is hanging *again*, grr |
| 08:30:04 | JdGordon | why did the red start on rashers commit though? |
| 08:30:16 | JdGordon | bertrik: yeah :D im trying to get buttons reading now and not having much luck |
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| 08:31:54 | amiconn | JdGordon: Because some commits before that didn't trigger a build |
| 08:31:57 | JdGordon | bertrik: http://pastebin.ca/1239406 is what i was hoping would work (with calls to button_init and button_read_device in the bootloader, but nothing |
| 08:32:17 | amiconn | Something is borked on the build master it seems :/ |
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| 08:36:04 | bertrik | JdGordon, that should do it. I don't know how the hardware mappings table was filled for the e200v2, maybe a mistake was made when analysing it from the OF. |
| 08:36:42 | JdGordon | :( |
| 08:37:07 | JdGordon | how do I read the value of each gpio? |
| 08:37:24 | JdGordon | in one hit.. instead of each pin |
| 08:38:03 | bertrik | read (gpio base + 0xFF << 2) IIRC |
| 08:42:08 | JdGordon | gcc wants brackets... |
| 08:42:31 | JdGordon | (gpiobase+ff)<<2 of gpio+(ff<<2)? |
| 08:42:46 | bertrik | there's also an AFSEL register for each GPIO which can select an alternative function for the pins of a GPIO port. You should disable the alternative function, but I don't know if that's going to interfere with the dbop/display |
| 08:43:06 | bertrik | gpio_base + (0xFF << 2) |
| 08:45:03 | * | amiconn would just write that as gpio_base + 0x3fc then... |
| 08:45:44 | bertrik | JdGordon, do you have the datasheet? |
| 08:46:02 | JdGordon | no |
| 08:46:21 | * | JdGordon shouldnt be fiddling untill after exams :'( |
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| 08:46:44 | JdGordon | dinner time :) |
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| 08:50:16 | amiconn | B4gder: Something seems to be wrong with the build master. Not picking up commits, hanging builds, ... |
| 08:50:35 | * | amiconn is about to fix domonoky's red |
| 08:51:20 | B4gder | it's building right now |
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| 08:52:31 | amiconn | Yes, but that's a restarted build which is already overdue again |
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| 08:52:49 | B4gder | probably one of the servers that are borked |
| 08:53:38 | amiconn | But yesterday it missed at least one commit |
| 08:53:51 | B4gder | well that's hardly a new bug... |
| 08:54:06 | B4gder | and nothing has been changed in that area for a very long time |
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| 08:56:09 | amiconn | B4gder: Maybe, but it seems to happen more and more often recently |
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| 09:01:33 | amiconn | o.O |
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| 09:02:41 | amiconn | Now there are gaps in the current row of builds... and farsan.haxx.se seems to have diskspace problems |
| 09:04:03 | cg | seems like farsan.haxx.se has disk full |
| 09:04:24 | LinusN | amiconn: oops |
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| 09:06:20 | * | amiconn confused domonoky and bluiebrother earlier |
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| 09:25:07 | GodEater | Did anyone get around to adding that CPPFLAGS=-U_FORTIFY_SOURCE fix to rockboxdev.sh yet ? |
| 09:27:05 | B4gder | ah latest-ubuntu-fix wasn't it? |
| 09:27:19 | GodEater | yes |
| 09:27:29 | GodEater | we've just had a post in the forums about it as well |
| 09:27:39 | GodEater | so I'm guessing we're going to get more and more until we commit a fix |
| 09:28:04 | * | JdGordon sends a virtual 6-pack to LinusN |
| 09:29:24 | BigBambi | GodEater: wasn't there another one for 64 bit? |
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| 09:29:55 | B4gder | -U_FORTIFY_SOURCE is for the gcc build, right? |
| 09:30:16 | LinusN | "Gammar correction" - priceless :-) |
| 09:30:27 | B4gder | haha, I liked that one too |
| 09:30:40 | BigBambi | I didn't even notice until someone pointed it out :) |
| 09:30:47 | GodEater | BigBambi: you tell me - I've not come across one since I'm not running a 64-bit build at home |
| 09:31:08 | BigBambi | GodEater: I thought I remembered you discussing this when it came up first |
| 09:32:40 | * | B4gder committed an attempt |
| 09:33:05 | BigBambi | GodEater: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20081017#11:25:15 |
| 09:33:55 | BigBambi | I can't really tell from that if -fno-stack-protector ended up being required or not :) |
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| 09:35:15 | GodEater | and nor could I, since it wasn't me using it |
| 09:37:16 | BigBambi | I know, I just thought you might have done, sorry |
| 09:37:52 | GodEater | it's ok - I just have no idea whether it's required or not - so couldn't possibly tell whether it should be commited :D |
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| 09:42:06 | JdGordon | is there a lofi version of flyspray? im getting timeouts maybe 50% of the time (because my internet is capped to rediculous speeds) |
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| 09:43:41 | B4gder | I don't think there is |
| 09:45:48 | JdGordon | oh well |
| 09:48:06 | B4gder | 21 fine build servers again |
| 09:48:49 | * | B4gder spots a 2-second build in there... |
| 09:49:04 | B4gder | that's a pretty fine build time |
| 09:53:03 | GodEater | best I managed is 8 seconds it would seem |
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| 09:54:23 | TheArchitect | Greetings. |
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| 10:09:24 | JdGordon | is crossfeed something that once you have it configured you either have it on or off? you wouldnt change the options often? |
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| 10:14:51 | Llorean | Maybe if you bought new headphones (swapping from IEMs to over-the-ear, or whatnot) |
| 10:14:58 | Llorean | But generally only on/off. |
| 10:15:14 | JdGordon | ok, thanks |
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| 10:15:39 | JdGordon | the EQ shuold be used the same yeah? but probably isnt? |
| 10:15:57 | Llorean | Yeah, the EQ is used in all kinds of crazy ways |
| 10:17:49 | Llorean | People even request that it automatically load eq files based on genre ID3 tags... |
| 10:19:27 | * | JdGordon wonders why list acceleration settings are under scrolling options?! |
| 10:20:25 | Llorean | If I had to guess, because people constantly look there for list scrolling, rather than line scrolling. |
| 10:20:58 | JdGordon | even if its under display? |
| 10:21:16 | * | JdGordon is being a masochist and going to have a go at reordering the menu to make sense |
| 10:22:24 | Llorean | Well, one could consider that a "display" option if one hammered a square peg into a round hole long enough. |
| 10:22:59 | JdGordon | it almakes more sense going under scrollbar options |
| 10:23:07 | JdGordon | almost makes even |
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| 10:46:06 | JdGordon | chanel configuration and balance... again not usually changed unless the headphones/speakers change? |
| 10:46:55 | JdGordon | and whats dithering? |
| 10:47:15 | GodEater | I wondered that the other day too |
| 10:47:20 | GodEater | I'm still none the wiser |
| 10:47:38 | GodEater | Mind you, I understand less than 1% of all our sound based options. I leave them well alone. |
| 10:47:50 | JdGordon | ditto |
| 10:48:14 | GodEater | I had a play with stereo width the other day. Made no difference that I could hear at all |
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| 10:49:11 | * | JdGordon doesnt actually care what it does.. just if its a set and forget setting |
| 10:49:42 | * | GodEater is more of the opinion if it doesn't do anything, why have it at all |
| 10:50:01 | crwl | was it so that stereo width doesn't do anything if you don't set channel mode (or whatever it was) to custom ? |
| 10:51:38 | Llorean | JdGordon: Dithering can, apparently, improve the apparent audio quality of low sample rate files. |
| 10:52:04 | JdGordon | so you may want to change it frequently? |
| 10:52:10 | Llorean | I don't know. |
| 10:52:39 | Llorean | I *think* it's set-and-forget |
| 10:52:43 | Llorean | but I'm not sure. |
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| 11:02:14 | n1s | linuxstb: thanks for the grammar fix :) |
| 11:02:27 | B4gder | gammar! |
| 11:02:29 | B4gder | :-P |
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| 11:02:46 | n1s | haha, indeed :) |
| 11:03:17 | linuxstb | rasher suggested that I should say that I did it on purpose - I'm not arguing with him. |
| 11:05:37 | JdGordon | lets say the replaygain (as an example) options were split into all its settings and a single "enable replaygain" setting... which is better.. having the enable option twice, or only have the enable option in with the enable option for other not-set-and-forget-sound settings? |
| 11:05:49 | * | JdGordon thinks the second |
| 11:06:19 | Llorean | Isn't replaygain one of the *most* set-and-forget options? |
| 11:06:46 | Llorean | In fact, I'm kinda surprised we offer the option to turn it off/on or anything beyond the "track gain" "album gain" "track gain if shuffled" options. |
| 11:07:05 | Llorean | I'd personally assume the tags presence means "use them", and that the songs would be replaygained to the level the user wanted anyway. |
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| 11:07:07 | JdGordon | that was a bad example then |
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| 11:07:21 | JdGordon | crossfade then... |
| 11:07:27 | Llorean | I see what you're getting at though. |
| 11:07:41 | Llorean | If you're going to split "enable" away from "details", I wouldn't duplicate "enable" |
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| 11:09:52 | n1s | btw, the various enable * settings are a mess of yes/no and on/off |
| 11:10:10 | JdGordon | thats easy to fix, just needs someone to do it |
| 11:10:25 | n1s | yes of course |
| 11:10:54 | linuxstb | What about a new kind of settings screen, which has "enable/disable" at the top, and then the various settings underneath? |
| 11:11:24 | JdGordon | how would that work with our limited screen space and buttons? |
| 11:12:01 | JdGordon | unless you mean that it should say if its enabled or not in the setting screen? |
| 11:12:01 | linuxstb | The same way as currently. It would just be a list |
| 11:12:20 | linuxstb | Yes |
| 11:13:05 | Llorean | Another option would be to get rid of all the explicit enable/disable settings, and make it implicit such as enabling replaygain by having "Replaygain Mode" include a "none" option. |
| 11:13:36 | Llorean | For any that have multiple sub-options that is. As soon as you've picked non-null values for it, it's on. |
| 11:13:41 | n1s | Llorean: that would be bad for EQ for example |
| 11:14:03 | Llorean | n1s: There's a "flat" preset, isn't there? |
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| 11:14:40 | n1s | yes, but then you lose your own eq preset unless you save it explicitly, seems inconvenient to me at least |
| 11:15:18 | JdGordon | Llorean: I dont like that.. what happens when your playing with options and want to disable it, but leave it as is so you can play later? saving the config and then manuaally resetting each option is too much hassle |
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| 11:16:02 | Llorean | JdGordon: Well, having "Enable" not immediately visible when you're playing with the settings can cause added confusion when you change them, and don't hear the effect. |
| 11:16:24 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 11:16:34 | JdGordon | but thats a seperate issue |
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| 11:17:38 | Llorean | I think implicit-enable allows you to both cut down the number of settings, and have users know that when they set a value it's just going to "take effect", rather than them having to also change some other setting to make that value actually be active. |
| 11:17:56 | Llorean | It's not perfect for *every* setting (EQ might be a good example) |
| 11:18:07 | Llorean | But I'm sure it's good for at least one, and there's probably others where it could work out. |
| 11:19:12 | JdGordon | "crossfade settings (currently disabled)" as the submenu title should be enough |
| 11:23:47 | * | JdGordon doesnt know if "play selected first" should be under file browser options or playlist r playback options :( |
| 11:24:12 | JdGordon | I'm thinking both it and auto-change directory should be in browser options |
| 11:24:31 | rasher | JdGordon: "crossfade settings (currently disabled)" won't fit on many screen/font combinations |
| 11:24:48 | JdGordon | unfrotunatly true |
| 11:25:56 | Vodi | hey guys |
| 11:26:07 | Vodi | any developer of the "Cowon D2" here? |
| 11:26:59 | BigBambi_L | Vodi: You are better just to ask. If people know, they will answer. IF not, people read the logs |
| 11:27:13 | Vodi | kk |
| 11:27:31 | Vodi | what's the status now of the flash driver? |
| 11:27:36 | Vodi | is something going on? |
| 11:27:42 | Vodi | can i help testing? |
| 11:28:00 | B4gder | I don't think testing is what's needed atm |
| 11:29:17 | Vodi | so i have to wait and look at the forums? |
| 11:29:34 | B4gder | yes, or dive in and help it happen |
| 11:30:48 | Vodi | sorry, i don't have expirience in hardware programming, only silly school-java-programming :( |
| 11:32:37 | linuxstb | I was imagining a first line in the settings menu would be an inline setting, something like "Status: Enabled" or even "Status: On" |
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| 11:35:26 | JdGordon | http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=p8BskKAQx6U3Bfz3qOVvybA is the start of my reworking... it shuold be editable by anyone so if you want to contribute.... |
| 11:35:37 | JdGordon | ill move it to the wiki when its more finished |
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| 11:37:16 | JdGordon | linuxstb: I thought we didnt really like inline settings? also mixing inline and regular is bound to cause headaches |
| 11:37:47 | linuxstb | What kind of headaches? |
| 11:38:13 | JdGordon | umm... |
| 11:38:30 | JdGordon | i guess if its only toggle settings it would be ok |
| 11:40:02 | linuxstb | And who do you mean by "we"? Inline settings everywhere have lots of problems (but some people like them a lot), and I'm just suggesting a specific inline setting, which will contain the same text everywhere it's used. |
| 11:40:33 | JdGordon | havnt inline settings been rejected before? |
| 11:40:53 | JdGordon | but yeah, i see what your saying and it could work |
| 11:41:32 | linuxstb | I think they've been rejected, because they won't work well in general (for all languages, screen sizes, fonts etc). |
| 11:41:43 | amiconn | Llorean: I think the option to disable rg is necessary. What if a user who never wants rg (e.g. me) gets a track containing rg tags? |
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| 11:43:47 | jhMikeS | amiconn: How did AS3525 compile with ARM_ARCH set to 5? The clz instruction should have cause a problem. |
| 11:44:06 | amiconn | It did, that's why I fixed it |
| 11:44:31 | amiconn | Bootloaders didn't run into the clz issue, but JdGordon reported that a full build did |
| 11:44:32 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Not much of Rockbox is being compiled for the AS3525 at the moment, just some target-specific drivers. |
| 11:45:36 | Llorean | amiconn: If you don't want rg, do you think there'll be any noticeable effect if a track you get has rg tags? Generally speaking, in a mixed collection it'd be exactly the same as the varied levels which normal CDs might be mastered at. |
| 11:45:41 | Llorean | Especially if the default is to "album gain" |
| 11:47:45 | amiconn | I don't care whether the effect is small or large. I want to be sure it has *no* effect |
| 11:47:57 | Llorean | Why, exactly? |
| 11:48:17 | Llorean | Every CD you own is mastered at a different level. Since you want RG off, you obviously don't care what that level is. |
| 11:48:55 | n1s | JdGordon: i'm not sure i understand your spreadsheet correctly but if you suggest putting shuffle/repeat/party-mode in sound settings I don't like that, they have nothing to do with sound also DSP options would be more confusing to users imho |
| 11:48:59 | Llorean | If you're getting a random MP3 from the internet where you don't even control what tags are on it, surely you don't know that volume normalization wasn't applied before encoding either. |
| 11:49:03 | amiconn | I do care. I want it at the level it was mastered at. |
| 11:49:43 | Llorean | amiconn: For what reason do you want it at that level? |
| 11:49:50 | JdGordon | n1s: no, they would either be seperate at the same level as "sound settings", or in a submenu at the same level |
| 11:50:02 | JdGordon | they are attached to the bold text, not the sound settings menu |
| 11:50:08 | amiconn | Umm, because it was meant to be at that level? |
| 11:50:33 | Llorean | amiconn: That's a pointless statement. The instant you change the volume from 0db, it's not at that level. |
| 11:50:46 | Llorean | I'm assuming you adjust the volume from time to time. |
| 11:51:12 | Llorean | It was meant to be *stored* at that level. |
| 11:51:21 | JdGordon | updated again... has every settings i think now |
| 11:51:35 | Llorean | The level you listen to it at, on the other hand, is affected by your audio hardware anyway so amplification or reduction is expected. |
| 11:52:08 | amiconn | Yes, but then I still get the differences between albums at their original levels |
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| 11:52:27 | rasher | This would make sense if you were listening to a collection of connected albums |
| 11:52:48 | B4gder | 'Björn' seems to have been mangled a bit there in a few sources in jhMikeS' latest commit... |
| 11:53:05 | Llorean | rasher: So, it's problematic if you're listening to connected albums, that have not been replaygained properly but have been replaygained. |
| 11:53:32 | n1s | JdGordon: why move time and date to the info menu? it is a setting. |
| 11:53:33 | rasher | Llorean: Don't ask me - I don't really understand the reasoning either |
| 11:54:26 | GodEater | Llorean: what do mean "not been replaygained properly" ? |
| 11:54:26 | amiconn | Basically I want to have the choice to tell rockbox to not fiddle with stuff I don't want it to fiddle with. |
| 11:54:35 | JdGordon | n1s: have a look at the patch... bassically the point was to move all time date stuff together |
| 11:55:04 | JdGordon | n1s: the time/date stuff would come out of the rockbox info screen |
| 11:55:04 | Llorean | GodEater: If you have songs whose volume relative to other songs needs to be maintained, you make sure that all their "album" replaygain tags are the same by scanning them at once. |
| 11:55:07 | n1s | JdGordon: I'm just saying that i would be looking for settings in the settings menu... |
| 11:55:11 | amiconn | Rockbox *is* about choices after all, and that's a choice affecting core functionality |
| 11:55:16 | Llorean | amiconn: And you'd have that choice by not including replaygain tags... |
| 11:55:44 | Llorean | We assume the presence of tags means "use them" for every other tag we support. There's not an option "skip Artist tags when indexing the database, and use folders instead" |
| 11:55:50 | amiconn | Llorean: Without that setting I can never be sure unless I check all my tags - rather cumbersome, I'd say |
| 11:55:55 | JdGordon | n1s: to be honest, I dont like the info menu anyway |
| 11:56:04 | JdGordon | not sure where its options should go thoughg |
| 11:56:14 | amiconn | Llorean: All other tags don't affect the sound |
| 11:56:19 | n1s | JdGordon: maybe have a "Set alarm" thing that isn't in the settings menu? |
| 11:56:46 | Llorean | amiconn: But they do affect other functionality. I suppose being about choices only means "choices about sound"? |
| 11:57:11 | JdGordon | n1s: move "Time & date" up into the main menu? (I'm trying to get support for that patch :p ) |
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| 11:58:04 | n1s | JdGordon: I like that better |
| 11:58:05 | JdGordon | the idea of the new layout is settings which are not set/forget ones are no more than 3 away from almost anywhere in the UI |
| 11:58:08 | Llorean | amiconn: There are tools that can pretty easily remove replaygain tags from a whole collection of audio. And if a song comes from a copyright holder with replaygain tags, then that's how it's *supposed* to be heard anyway. |
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| 12:00:30 | JdGordon | a big downside to this is the backlight options are maybe too far down |
| 12:00:52 | JdGordon | s/backlight/contrast+brioghtness |
| 12:02:04 | n1s | I like your FS #9173 and would like that in either System or the main menu, does it change the "Set time and date" screen to look similar or is it still its ugly old self? :) |
| 12:02:36 | JdGordon | i dont remember, I think its still ugly, but changing the setting screen would become a priority |
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| 12:04:23 | n1s | JdGordon: I think you could flatten the system settings menu a bit, dropping the "hardware" menu and moving its submenus up |
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| 12:05:22 | JdGordon | ok |
| 12:05:45 | JdGordon | I'd like to get brightness and contrast up higher... any ideas? |
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| 12:05:57 | n1s | also the theme settings->colours menu seems to only have one submenu and nothing else... |
| 12:06:23 | JdGordon | thats a paste error i thnk |
| 12:06:55 | JdGordon | oh no its not... |
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| 12:06:56 | n1s | ah, yes there should be fg and bg too, |
| 12:07:02 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 12:07:16 | JdGordon | they wernt in the wiki layout :p |
| 12:09:25 | n1s | no good ideas about moving contrast and brightness up... |
| 12:10:01 | JdGordon | ive put then as the first options under settings/display |
| 12:10:18 | JdGordon | not pretty, but better |
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| 12:13:30 | JdGordon | updated again |
| 12:17:39 | JdGordon | and again to put file view under display |
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| 12:22:56 | n1s | JdGordon: I think it's starting to look good but i have to run |
| 12:23:15 | JdGordon | :) |
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| 12:53:16 | LinusN | Llorean: still, rockbox should definitely have the option to ignore replaygain tags, as all other software that supports replaygain. i have the same files on several systems, and i might want to use replaygain on my xbox but not on rockbox. i don't want to be forced to remove all replaygain tags to be able to disable it. what if i later decide that i want it? |
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| 13:44:27 | B4gder | those v2 hackers have too crappy cameras! ;-) |
| 13:45:42 | BigBambi | "Dear Rockbox Fund. I need a DSLR to take photos of my v2" :) |
| 13:47:58 | B4gder | "dear Mr Somebody. Here's a few spare ones sent your way." |
| 13:48:50 | n1s | B4gder: what do you think of FS #9492? From what i can tell he is giving our buildsystem a much needed overhault but since i am pretty clueless i don't exactly know what cmake brings in terms of maintainability / issues and i remember you being sceptical |
| 13:49:02 | * | linuxstb wonders how we can know those screenshots aren't just from a v1 |
| 13:49:55 | B4gder | n1s: I haven't checked it out really |
| 13:49:58 | GodEater | n1s: unless he's improved the patch in the last couple of days, it needs a LOT of work |
| 13:50:04 | GodEater | it didn't build at all when I tried it |
| 13:50:43 | n1s | godeater: he posted an updated one today, that is supposed to build a sim afaict |
| 13:51:00 | Zagor | it's also very annoying as a patch. he renames and moves around things, so it's hard to see what really changed |
| 13:51:04 | B4gder | I my eyes cmake is slightly problematic since we are exactly zero people with experience on it |
| 13:51:27 | GodEater | that's very true as well |
| 13:51:30 | B4gder | it moves much stuff from regular make magic to cmake magic |
| 13:51:59 | Zagor | what does cmake do better than make? |
| 13:52:02 | B4gder | I realize one argument is that we have long-standing make problems in our build system now |
| 13:52:16 | n1s | I think that sort of comments should go on the task so he knows how you feel and if it is unlikely to be accepted please tell him |
| 13:52:26 | B4gder | Zagor: cmake is rather like configure+automake in a single package kind of |
| 13:52:41 | Zagor | n1s: you're right |
| 13:53:00 | B4gder | yes, but I still would like to try out a working approach to see what it's like |
| 13:53:20 | B4gder | I'm not shooting down the idea completely |
| 13:56:00 | B4gder | he does change a lot of things in configure with no good reason |
| 13:57:37 | * | GodEater suggests asking him why he's done this :) |
| 13:58:05 | B4gder | yes, but I'd rather test it too and bundle all my comments at once |
| 13:58:22 | B4gder | I'll have a go later |
| 13:58:25 | Zagor | I'm primarily worried about adding a new layer of complexity on top of make. a layer nobody in the project is familiar with. |
| 13:58:41 | B4gder | instead of make rather, this removes make I think... |
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| 13:58:51 | Zagor | no, it creates Makefiles |
| 13:58:56 | B4gder | oh |
| 13:59:30 | B4gder | even more like automake than I thought then |
| 13:59:36 | linuxstb | So it creates "genuine" GNU Makefiles, rather than its own intermediate format? |
| 13:59:56 | Zagor | linuxstb: as far as I understand, yes |
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| 14:00:20 | Zagor | http://www.cmake.org/cmake/project/about.html says "Simple configuration files placed in each source directory (called CMakeLists.txt files) are used to generate standard build files (e.g., makefiles on Unix and projects/workspaces in Windows MSVC) which are used in the usual way." |
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| 14:01:47 | B4gder | in this case I don't think they can be called "simple" :-) |
| 14:02:22 | GodEater | it's make output is pretty colours! |
| 14:04:02 | Zagor | do we have a clear problem description? what is the real problem with the current build system? |
| 14:04:20 | Zagor | adding -pipe is fine, but that doesn't really address any core problem |
| 14:05:00 | B4gder | I think the main problems we have are some dependency ones |
| 14:05:18 | B4gder | ie some file changes don't trigger rebuilds of other parts properly |
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| 14:06:44 | funman | JdGordon: sorry for the weird space character - it happens very often with my french keyboard layout (altgr+space) |
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| 14:07:00 | Zagor | B4gder: do you have an example I can peek at? |
| 14:07:08 | funman | I'll look at preventing that with git precommit hooks |
| 14:07:32 | B4gder | Zagor: not right now, although amiconn may have a few of them in memory |
| 14:07:39 | n1s | Zagor: FS #6847 is an example |
| 14:07:58 | Zagor | n1s: thanks! |
| 14:08:04 | n1s | also i think we build bitmaps when making manuals |
| 14:08:55 | B4gder | I think some of the problems are due to the large amount of generated c files |
| 14:09:11 | B4gder | I mean, how we treat them |
| 14:09:33 | n1s | nope, no bitmaps built with manual |
| 14:10:36 | amiconn | Zagor: Building bitmaps and some bin stuff when building manuals or voices, not relinking codecs when a codec library changed, not recreating the self-extracting binary if only something in firmware/decompressor/ changes, ... |
| 14:11:01 | amiconn | s/manuals or// |
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| 14:14:15 | * | GodEater sees that the new patch still doesn't work |
| 14:19:50 | Zagor | uhm, how are voices built? |
| 14:21:07 | B4gder | selected voice then 'make voice' |
| 14:21:14 | B4gder | select even |
| 14:21:26 | B4gder | I mean in configure |
| 14:21:36 | Zagor | ah, gotcha |
| 14:22:04 | robin0800 | GodEater: what patch is that ? |
| 14:23:00 | B4gder | FS #9492 |
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| 14:25:58 | JdGordon | funman: dw about it... |
| 14:26:25 | funman | dw? |
| 14:27:19 | funman | I have put "git diff-index -p $against −−|grep ' ' && exit 1" in .git/hooks/pre-commit |
| 14:27:50 | BigBambi_L | funman: don't worry |
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| 14:28:04 | mofux | hi |
| 14:28:16 | mofux | is it possible to install rockbox on my ipod nano video 4gb? |
| 14:28:26 | robin0800 | r18918 still will not compile on ubuntu 8.10 same errors as before! |
| 14:28:28 | mofux | (dunno exactly what generation this is, but could be 5?) |
| 14:28:59 | B4gder | robin0800: what errors would that be? |
| 14:29:05 | funman | mofux: if it's a quite large nano, it's 3rd gen and you can not use rockbox on it |
| 14:29:38 | mofux | funman: it could be this one: |
| 14:29:39 | mofux | http://www.metacafe.com/watch/403753/my_ipod_nano_with_rockbox/ |
| 14:29:40 | BigBambi_L | mofux: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1353 |
| 14:29:44 | robin0800 | B4gder: it dosn't make correctly |
| 14:29:58 | BigBambi_L | mofux: If it is any Nano other than 1st generation it won't work |
| 14:30:00 | n1s | B4gder: robin0800: IIRC you have to add -fno-stack-protector to CPPFLAGS on 64 bit ubuntu 8.10 too |
| 14:30:17 | B4gder | for rockbox builds? |
| 14:30:25 | BigBambi_L | n1s: Isn't that to build the cross compilers though, not to build? |
| 14:30:27 | B4gder | simulators? |
| 14:30:33 | n1s | no for gcc builds, maybe i'm confused |
| 14:30:48 | funman | mofux: I don't know of nano 5th gen, google for "what is my ipod model" : there is a page on Apple website which list them all |
| 14:30:54 | n1s | robin0800: _what_ doesn't make correctly? |
| 14:30:58 | robin0800 | n1s: not on 64 bit only 32 here |
| 14:31:00 | B4gder | I don't think we're getting details here so I don't know... |
| 14:31:02 | BigBambi_L | funman: The one I just linked? :) |
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| 14:31:26 | funman | yes - I can't stand the high speed of this channel ! |
| 14:31:34 | BigBambi_L | robin0800: If you put the log on pastebin it would help |
| 14:31:52 | mofux | funman: accordingly to the apple page it must be a iPod nano 3rd gen |
| 14:32:00 | mofux | hmmm, what a shame :) |
| 14:32:02 | BigBambi_L | mofux: Then it won't work |
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| 14:39:46 | robin0800 | BigBambi_L: running script now willpaste bin when finished |
| 14:40:02 | GodEater | robin0800: The cmake patch |
| 14:40:15 | Zagor | hmm, what is the benefit of using the $(call PRINTS) construct instead of simply having one echo line and one executing line? |
| 14:40:26 | B4gder | robin0800: so you _are_ talking about rockboxdev.sh ? |
| 14:40:36 | B4gder | Zagor: cygwin craziness |
| 14:40:44 | Zagor | ah |
| 14:40:48 | robin0800 | B4gder: yes |
| 14:40:49 | B4gder | weird stuff to make it run faster |
| 14:41:07 | BigBambi_L | robin0800: So why mention r18918? |
| 14:41:20 | B4gder | I suppose that was after my commit? |
| 14:41:34 | * | BigBambi_L slowly sees the light - he was trying the rockboxdev.sh after Bagder's commit |
| 14:42:05 | GodEater | B4gder: 18919 builds fine here, and I'm on Ubuntu 8.10 |
| 14:42:07 | BigBambi_L | That was confusing |
| 14:42:50 | amiconn | Zagor: Significant speedup on cygwin (if using gnu make 3.81). 'echo' is a command call, 'info' is a built-in function of gnu make |
| 14:42:56 | * | BigBambi_L assumes robin0800 has build-essential installed? :P |
| 14:43:39 | Zagor | amiconn: and why don't we call info directly? |
| 14:43:44 | JdGordon | funman: linuxstb: any suggestions on how to figure out the buttons? the gpio pins in the wiki dont seen to be correct |
| 14:43:53 | amiconn | Because gnu make <3.81 doesn't know 'info' |
| 14:44:32 | robin0800 | BigBambi_L: yes |
| 14:44:48 | Zagor | I'm not seeing any conditional use of info. |
| 14:44:48 | | Part B4gder |
| 14:45:43 | Zagor | i.e. this won't work on gmake < 3.81 anyway, will it? |
| 14:45:44 | amiconn | Zagor: The trick is in the toplevel makefile generated by configure |
| 14:45:44 | JdGordon | http://pastebin.ca/1239406 is what i tried earlier (with button_init and read_device() calls in the bootloader of course) |
| 14:45:44 | funman | JdGordon: put them all as input, and display their content in a infinite loop |
| 14:45:59 | amiconn | It *does* work on gnu make 3.80, tried and tested |
| 14:46:08 | Zagor | amiconn: ah, found it. thanks. |
| 14:46:47 | funman | JdGordon: if the wiki doesn't match, it's likely a keyscan like in m200 and clip |
| 14:47:14 | funman | i.e. if you don't write to the 'good' pin, the results will vary across different devices (like for my clip and linuxstb's one) |
| 14:47:43 | JdGordon | so how do we figure out the proper way? |
| 14:47:53 | funman | disassembly :o |
| 14:47:59 | * | linuxstb thinks JdGordon has it easy now that there's an LCD to help debug things |
| 14:48:02 | | Part stooo |
| 14:48:24 | n1s | congrats on the e200v2 lcd guys! |
| 14:48:31 | * | linuxstb starts to read the Fuze OF's LCD code |
| 14:48:32 | funman | at least the power button should be on it's standalone gpio pin |
| 14:49:07 | * | funman wonders if JdGordon will post a picture of e200v2 LCD correctly rotated |
| 14:49:16 | JdGordon | is there really any point? |
| 14:49:23 | JdGordon | its excatly the same as a v1 :D |
| 14:49:32 | funman | :( |
| 14:49:32 | JdGordon | except it has the ams id at the top |
| 14:49:36 | JdGordon | ok.. ok... |
| 14:49:49 | funman | short negociation ;) |
| 14:50:33 | BigBambi_L | funman: Those are some fine persuasive skills :) |
| 14:50:43 | JdGordon | my camera isnt really good enough :p |
| 14:51:11 | * | JdGordon looks around for his card reader |
| 14:51:36 | funman | JdGordon: also you could try the SD code on e200v2's SD slot |
| 14:52:41 | funman | I'm still not sure how to handle dynamic base address |
| 14:53:19 | JdGordon | no photo tonight.. cant find my reader |
| 14:54:00 | funman | :( |
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| 14:55:41 | robin0800 | GodEater: build failure on lunux 8.10 http://paste.ubuntu.com/64089/ |
| 14:56:00 | JdGordon | hmm... maybe not... my camera actually has a microSD chip in the adaptor! and i have a sansa cable! |
| 14:56:45 | funman | robin0800: can you paste line 51 and around of /usr/include/bits/fcntl2.h ? |
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| 14:59:01 | GodEater | robin0800: well that's definitely the error you get when CPPFLAGS hasn't been set properly |
| 14:59:15 | J-23 | Hi! Was LCD code for e200v2 commited to SVN? |
| 14:59:20 | robin0800 | funman: will have to run it again to do that |
| 14:59:27 | JdGordon | J-23: twas |
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| 15:00:12 | funman | robin0800: why ? |
| 15:01:10 | * | funman powers up the ubuntu 8.10 computer |
| 15:03:54 | funman | __open_missing_mode (); |
| 15:04:22 | * | n1s takes the plunge |
| 15:05:22 | funman | if you use O_CREAT in open() you need 3 arguments |
| 15:05:43 | Zagor | apps/Makefile:97 explains the unwanted bitmap creation |
| 15:05:44 | funman | so check what is at gcc-4.0.3/gcc/collect2.c:1580 |
| 15:06:41 | funman | I suppose it's a protection to not create files with unknown modes |
| 15:07:08 | funman | and if ubuntu ships gcc 4.0.3 the patch is in the debdiff |
| 15:07:10 | * | J-23 tests |
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| 15:09:43 | J-23 | hmm, doesn't work |
| 15:10:16 | J-23 | r18919 |
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| 15:11:17 | funman | do you mean no backlight at all ? |
| 15:11:27 | linuxstb | J-23: Have you re-run tools/configure? |
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| 15:11:35 | J-23 | linuxstb: yes. |
| 15:11:39 | J-23 | funman: yes |
| 15:11:39 | JdGordon | Zagor: if you're playing in the Makefiles, can you see if you can fix the problem where if a file is missing it doesnt complain about missing sysfont.h? |
| 15:11:40 | linuxstb | Or better, start from a clean build directory. |
| 15:11:55 | J-23 | yes, I ran rm -rf * in build dir |
| 15:12:18 | Zagor | JdGordon: hmm? if any other file is missing, a missing sysfont.h is ignored? |
| 15:12:44 | funman | there is an entry about that in the bug tracker |
| 15:12:55 | JdGordon | if a file is missing the error is that sysfont.h cant be found (going from memory now), instead of saying that file is missing |
| 15:13:12 | Zagor | #7583? |
| 15:13:29 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 15:13:49 | Zagor | ok. I'll take a look. |
| 15:14:01 | * | linuxstb notes that a way to get bugs fixed is to threaten to rewrite that part of Rockbox in a foreign language |
| 15:14:12 | Zagor | hehe |
| 15:14:43 | Zagor | frankly I wasn't aware that people felt the build system was so bad it needed a complete rewrite |
| 15:15:04 | funman | that's what they all say |
| 15:15:57 | funman | I think it's a problem when the build system grows in complexity |
| 15:16:20 | linuxstb | Another often-requested "feature" (there's even a current thread on the mailing list) is a way to quickly compile a single plugin, without doing a full build (I know about "make rocks", but that's still not really what people want) |
| 15:17:43 | JdGordon | wouldnt that be fixed if it didnt need to relink every .rock ever time? |
| 15:17:46 | J-23 | WORKS@ |
| 15:17:54 | J-23 | s/@/!/. :) |
| 15:19:05 | funman | was robin0800 building the arm cross compiler? |
| 15:19:19 | funman | J-23: great ;) what did you need to change ? |
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| 15:20:45 | J-23 | I don't know what helped, but I again removed everything from build dir and I recompiled (make clean and then make) mkamsboot |
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| 15:22:16 | linuxstb | Zagor: I don't think people have been saying the build system needs a complete rewrite - just that it is need of some love, as lots of bugs have crept in over the years |
| 15:22:30 | linuxstb | (apart from the person rewriting it of course...) |
| 15:22:36 | Zagor | :-) |
| 15:23:37 | Zagor | was there ever a bug filed for "voice builds bitmaps"? |
| 15:24:15 | Zagor | I can't seem to find one, anyway |
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| 15:25:35 | JdGordon | the build system doesnt really have bugs, just annoyances which untill now no one could be bothered trying to work out? |
| 15:26:23 | J-23 | http://picasaweb.google.com/aldwulf/SansaE280v2 - high resolution photos of LCD on e280v2 |
| 15:27:13 | BigBambi_L | J-23: And you know all about Zagor |
| 15:27:55 | Zagor | haha |
| 15:29:58 | funman | why not putting the gcc patches in the svn repository ? |
| 15:31:05 | Zagor | because they are "files", not "code" |
| 15:31:20 | funman | like bitmaps? |
| 15:31:38 | n1s | funman: they are not part of rockbox |
| 15:31:38 | Zagor | sorry, poor explanation. they are not our code. |
| 15:31:54 | funman | ok |
| 15:32:33 | Zagor | having them in svn would be using svn as a file serving tool. apache is a lot better at that. :-) |
| 15:32:37 | fiXXXerMet | I added a 4gb microsd card to my sansa e260r. I can mount the internal storage as /dev/sdb1, and dmesg says "[sdc] Attached SCSI removable disk" but I can not mount sdc1 or fdisk sdc... Any tips for accessing the extra storage? |
| 15:33:01 | JdGordon | the e200 OF cant read microSDHC |
| 15:33:01 | funman | http://paste.ubuntu.com/64101/ should fix the build of gcc on ubuntu (the build hasn't finished yet) |
| 15:33:16 | BigBambi_L | fiXXXerMet: Are you using the OF, or have you enabled Rockbox USB then compiled? |
| 15:33:32 | fiXXXerMet | OF? |
| 15:33:36 | Zagor | funman: iirc that error occurs in more than one place |
| 15:33:38 | BigBambi_L | original firmware |
| 15:33:47 | fiXXXerMet | I'm using rockbox firmware |
| 15:34:04 | BigBambi_L | You have enabled Rockbox USB in the code, then compiled? |
| 15:34:09 | fiXXXerMet | Probably not |
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| 15:34:19 | BigBambi_L | Then you are using the Sansa firmware for USB |
| 15:34:33 | BigBambi_L | Which as JdGordon says, cannot handle SDHC |
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| 15:35:16 | BigBambi_L | Rockbox does not yet have a USB mode for the Sansas enabled as there are some problems. When you insert USB, it should reboot to the Sansa firmware |
| 15:36:14 | fiXXXerMet | I'm confused. The sandisk firmware can't handle the microsd cards? There is a slot specifically for them, and the documentation mentions using them numerous times |
| 15:36:33 | BigBambi_L | It can handle SD only, not SDHC |
| 15:36:43 | JdGordon | fiXXXerMet: sdHC... 4+ gb cards |
| 15:36:54 | fiXXXerMet | oh, so it supports 2gb, not 4gb |
| 15:37:05 | BigBambi_L | Lower than 2 GB fine, more than 2 GB not fine. Rockbox can handle both, but for now there is no USB mode |
| 15:37:31 | BigBambi_L | So to use it, you need an external reader to add files, then Rockbox will use it just fine |
| 15:37:38 | fiXXXerMet | Ah |
| 15:37:53 | fiXXXerMet | Luckily I have an external reader |
| 15:38:01 | fiXXXerMet | rockbox 3 doesn't support it yet either? |
| 15:38:04 | BigBambi_L | When the Rockbox USB is enabled, you will be able to do it all via Rockbox without an external reader |
| 15:38:20 | fiXXXerMet | And to do that I need to compile with the usb option? |
| 15:38:23 | BigBambi_L | No, othewise I wouldn't keep saying Rockbox doesn't do it |
| 15:38:34 | BigBambi_L | fiXXXerMet: Yes, but it isn't recommended |
| 15:38:55 | fiXXXerMet | why not? |
| 15:39:00 | BigBambi_L | A bug in the SD card driver that is much more likely with USB can lead to corruption either of data or the filesystem |
| 15:39:24 | fiXXXerMet | so my best bet is to use the external reader? |
| 15:39:30 | BigBambi_L | Yes |
| 15:40:21 | BigBambi_L | I didn't of course mean SD card driver I meant flash |
| 15:40:35 | BigBambi_L | Either way −−> corruption |
| 15:41:42 | funman | *** buffer overflow detected ***: arm-elf-ar terminated |
| 15:41:51 | fiXXXerMet | Thanks for the tips BigBambi |
| 15:41:53 | fiXXXerMet | _L |
| 15:42:02 | funman | looks like 256MB of RAM isn't enough to build a cross compiler ! |
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| 15:42:30 | BigBambi_L | fiXXXerMet: No probs |
| 15:42:43 | funman | and rockbox-dev.sh thinks everything succeeded |
| 15:43:35 | funman | there is no status checking |
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| 15:47:23 | Zagor | some build servers are causing build errors that I can't replicate... |
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| 15:47:59 | JdGordon | is mine one of them? |
| 15:48:30 | Zagor | there's an awful lot of them. must be my fault. |
| 15:48:35 | funman | shouldn't rockboxdev.sh use set -e ? |
| 15:48:48 | funman | to leave the possibility to fix the build |
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| 15:53:41 | Zagor | funman: that's probably a good idea |
| 15:54:16 | funman | or maybe an error variable to produce an error message |
| 15:54:25 | Zagor | otoh rockboxdev.sh doesn't require bash |
| 15:54:42 | Zagor | I'm not sure how widespread -e is |
| 15:55:03 | funman | I'll get the posix spec |
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| 15:56:28 | J-23 | so what's most important now on e200v2? |
| 15:57:25 | funman | http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/utilities/set.html : it's standard |
| 15:57:28 | funman | J-23: buttons |
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| 15:58:40 | J-23 | maybe we should create GPIO monitor like Debug->View I/O ports? |
| 15:59:32 | funman | it's easy to do |
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| 16:00:39 | funman | problem is if there is a keyscan routine like in other models it will be useless |
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| 16:02:37 | Zagor | looks like a synchronisation issue. are the build servers running -j2 or more? |
| 16:05:19 | n1s | Zagor: that's server specific |
| 16:05:55 | * | n1s uses make -j when building and would like it to continue to work :) |
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| 16:07:04 | rasher | Bagder: did you see the w32sims.pl script? Especially the top bit, which should allow to use it for both daily and releases |
| 16:10:11 | Zagor | ah, -j without a number causes it to fail |
| 16:10:11 | J-23 | can SDRAM test use LCD to show results? |
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| 16:31:33 | funman | Bagder: why using FORTIFY_SOURCE ? I think it just enables unwanted extra sanity checks |
| 16:31:47 | funman | this is why the arm-elf-ar I just built doesn't run |
| 16:32:04 | funman | oh .. it's undefined |
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| 16:44:15 | Zagor | what a nasty problem |
| 16:44:58 | saratoga | if anyone gets a chance, could they profile AAC using the 192k test track from the wiki on Coldfire? |
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| 16:45:21 | saratoga | i have the ARM results, and when I eventually get down to working on the codec, having the Coldfire ones would be nice too |
| 16:45:28 | saratoga | no hurry though |
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| 16:51:00 | funman | http://paste.ubuntu.com/64142/ < diff needed to build an arm-elf-ar which doesn't crash on ubuntu 8.10 |
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| 16:52:15 | amiconn | Zagor: Btw, a probably related problem is that the build system always tries to build the bitmaps twice |
| 16:52:15 | Zagor | funman: excellent |
| 16:52:45 | funman | gcc seems to have built correctly with only the change in gcc/collect2.c |
| 16:52:47 | Zagor | amiconn: no the problem is that -j tries to compile the .c files that need the bitmap in parallell with creating the bitmap |
| 16:53:14 | amiconn | I once tried to fix that, but failed. When I removed what I thought would cause the double build, it didn't build the bitmaps at all (or at least not soon enough for the dependent steps) |
| 16:53:25 | amiconn | Zagor: The effect happens without -j as well |
| 16:53:46 | Zagor | I don't see that it's doing it twice |
| 16:54:08 | Zagor | it's doing both "mono" and "native", is that it? |
| 16:55:11 | Zagor | also I'm puzzled by why dep-apps has some dependencies without paths. and why make accepts that... |
| 16:55:39 | funman | I'll send the patches on the ML |
| 16:56:01 | Zagor | silly me, the pathless ones are the local files... |
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| 16:57:13 | Zagor | yesss, adding "recorder/icons.h: $(BITMAPLIBS)" fixes the -j problem |
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| 16:57:49 | amiconn | Zagor: mono-native-mono-native |
| 16:58:02 | Zagor | amiconn: even with my latest commit? |
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| 16:58:13 | amiconn | without... |
| 16:58:17 | Zagor | ah |
| 16:58:22 | Zagor | that's why I don't see it :) |
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| 16:59:43 | Zagor | try this latest |
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| 17:00:38 | * | pondlife picked the wrong time to build a D2 sim... ;) |
| 17:03:42 | Zagor | pondlife: did I break anything for you? |
| 17:03:49 | Zagor | looks fine here |
| 17:04:02 | pondlife | I was one revision behind, just building |
| 17:04:05 | pondlife | Slooow Cygwin |
| 17:04:35 | pondlife | I guess I might need to make veryclean? |
| 17:05:54 | AJCantos | Hi guys, I'm having some problems executing RockboxDev.h, I get this error: |
| 17:06:07 | pondlife | Zagor: I'm still getting... make[1]: *** No rule to make target `rockboxlogo.h', needed by `/home/Steve/rockbox/buildsim/apps/bookmark.o'. Stop. |
| 17:06:17 | AJCantos | make[3]: *** [crtbegin.o] Error 1, any idea? |
| 17:06:26 | pondlife | This is with r18922 |
| 17:06:27 | funman | AJCantos: ubuntu 8.10 ? |
| 17:06:44 | AJCantos | ubunto 8.04.1-eee |
| 17:06:48 | Zagor | pondlife: and how did you run make? |
| 17:07:07 | funman | AJCantos: paste the full error, including message before this last line |
| 17:07:08 | pondlife | make veryclean, then configure, then make |
| 17:07:55 | funman | gevaerts: can you advice me how to write the SD/flash driver for sansav2 ? |
| 17:07:56 | Zagor | pondlife: the build servers just suceeded, so I don't think I'm at fault here |
| 17:08:18 | gevaerts | funman: no. I know nothing about those |
| 17:08:19 | funman | the same driver should be used both for flash and SD; with the only difference being the register base address |
| 17:08:21 | AJCantos | It goes /tmp/cc60t44W.s: Assembler messages: |
| 17:08:22 | pondlife | Probably not, but I guess I have some cached bad build from a few revs ago |
| 17:08:39 | AJCantos | and then shows loads of messages of assembler commands |
| 17:08:41 | Zagor | gotta run |
| 17:08:43 | funman | gevaerts: I wanted to know if I could use multivolume API for that (IF_MV(blabla) |
| 17:08:55 | funman | AJCantos: paste the whole thing on a pastebin |
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| 17:09:01 | gevaerts | Ah, ok. That's different :) |
| 17:09:17 | AJCantos | and then it shows:make[3]: *** [crtbegin.o] Error 1 make[3]: Leaving directory `/media/MUSIC/tmp/rbdev-build/build-gcc/ gcc' make[2]: *** [extra] Error 2 make[2]: Leaving directory `/media/MUSIC/tmp/rbdev-build/build-gcc/ gcc' make[1]: *** [stmp-multilib] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/media/MUSIC/tmp/rbdev-build/build-gcc/ gcc' make: *** [install-gcc] Error 2 |
| 17:09:41 | gevaerts | funman: do you have specific questions? |
| 17:09:43 | AJCantos | ups, how can I do that pastebin thing? |
| 17:09:47 | funman | that way I could use in the code, if drive is 0, flash base address, if drive is 1, sd base address - does it seem sensible ? |
| 17:09:52 | amiconn | meh, Zagor's gone :( |
| 17:10:02 | funman | AJCantos: go to http://paste.ubuntu.com |
| 17:10:24 | amiconn | Zagor (for the logs): Now the bitmaps aren't built twice, but instead they aren't rebuilt at all when _only_ a bitmap changed :( |
| 17:10:24 | gevaerts | That makes sense, yes. |
| 17:10:25 | pondlife | Hmm, I have a rockboxlogo.h, but it's not being found |
| 17:10:32 | funman | gevaerts: thanks |
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| 17:11:14 | Hillshum | how does mkamsboot work now? |
| 17:11:25 | amiconn | I.e. same problem as with codeclibs, pluginlib, ... |
| 17:12:30 | AJCantos | I've pasted it, and now I guess I should give you the link: http://paste.ubuntu.com/64155/ |
| 17:12:34 | gevaerts | funman: it's probably a good idea to use the IF_MV* macros properly, so you can easily support both targets with and without SD slot |
| 17:13:21 | pixelma2 | speaking of building the bitmaps - will the recent commits fix the problem with when changing an already used bitmap to a different size and you build without a "make clean" or manually deleting the old ones the buildsystem will use the old data of the bitmap and stuff it into the new size (IIUC) - so it'll look all garbled |
| 17:13:44 | pixelma2 | ? I hope someone understands what I meant... |
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| 17:16:29 | IudeX | Any progress in clip rockboxing? |
| 17:16:33 | IudeX | :P |
| 17:16:34 | funman | gevaerts: if the e200 only has 2 volumes (SD slot and flash), IF_MV() would be enough ? no need to use IF_MV2() ? |
| 17:16:52 | funman | IudeX: not yet .. but I have found a new way to follow for the SD |
| 17:17:02 | IudeX | iudex: nice |
| 17:17:11 | IudeX | funman: nice *ouch |
| 17:17:12 | Hillshum | funman: some have 2 NAND chips? |
| 17:17:13 | funman | ;) |
| 17:17:27 | funman | Hillshum: what do you mean ? |
| 17:17:31 | IudeX | oh i have to go out :/ |
| 17:17:32 | IudeX | bye |
| 17:17:33 | IudeX | good luck! |
| 17:17:44 | Hillshum | i think the e280 may have two NAND chips |
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| 17:18:04 | amiconn | pixelma2: No it won't - that's a different problem |
| 17:18:14 | funman | Hillshum: I believe they can be accessed by software as a unique volume |
| 17:18:24 | Hillshum | hmm... |
| 17:18:32 | gevaerts | funman: look at the macros. IF_MV() and IF_MV2() mean something else than that :) |
| 17:18:52 | funman | ah right .. |
| 17:19:01 | Hillshum | also, how do i use mkamsboot? |
| 17:19:10 | funman | #define NUM_VOLUMES 2 : so there is no target with more than 2 volumes |
| 17:19:17 | funman | Hillshum: ./mkamsboot :) |
| 17:19:51 | gevaerts | No. That NUM_VOLUMES handling is a bit (or a lot) unclean though, but don't bother about that too much |
| 17:20:07 | funman | pixelma2: yes I think that's the goal |
| 17:20:10 | Hillshum | I get this http://rockbox.pastebin.com/f6b1d3be1 |
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| 17:20:25 | funman | AJCantos: strange, can you paste what's before ? |
| 17:20:56 | funman | first unrecognized character '@' : @ means comment in gas syntax so that shouldn't be unrecognized |
| 17:22:33 | amiconn | funman: You need IF_MV2 in most cases due to how cpp macros work |
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| 17:26:41 | AJCantos | I can't actually, because I'm not in that computer right now and that's the only thing I have |
| 17:27:19 | funman | does eeepc have an arm cpu ? |
| 17:27:41 | Hillshum | XP runs on it so no? |
| 17:27:59 | Tuplanolla | no, it has celeron or atom, depending on the model |
| 17:28:10 | funman | then why building gcc does assemble arm code ? o: |
| 17:28:35 | linuxstb | I assume it's building arm-elf-gcc |
| 17:28:55 | funman | it's not a reason to build arm code |
| 17:28:57 | linuxstb | Which requires building some arm libs |
| 17:29:02 | AJCantos | yes, that's the one |
| 17:29:04 | linuxstb | libgcc |
| 17:29:04 | funman | oh |
| 17:29:14 | funman | and crt* |
| 17:29:55 | linuxstb | In fact, our script builds about 500 of the things, in different combinations of arm, thumb, big-endian, little-endian, different arm architectures, .... |
| 17:31:06 | funman | I wonder if the intel assembler is called |
| 17:31:37 | linuxstb | Looks that way - which is normally caused by the arm binutils (which should be compiled and installed prior to building gcc) not being compiled and installed... |
| 17:31:45 | linuxstb | (or not being in the path) |
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| 17:37:40 | AJCantos | Now that you say so I haven't added anything to the path like /usr/local/arm-elf/bin or whatever, so maybe that's the problem? |
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| 17:39:02 | funman | AJCantos: were the binutils installed in that directory ? |
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| 17:40:15 | AJCantos | I think so |
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| 17:47:12 | n1s | markun: what do you think of FS #9206 ? |
| 17:49:22 | markun | n1s: I can't look into it right now, but if it just fixes the missing glyphs I guess it's ok to commit, right? |
| 17:49:52 | n1s | it seems so to me but i know next to nothing about fonts :) |
| 17:50:30 | markun | I think rasher should take a look then |
| 17:51:37 | rasher | Interesting |
| 17:51:47 | AJCantos | Well, thanks guys, I think you've made to the bottom of it, I'll try and add that info to the path and hopefully that would be it, thanks! |
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| 17:55:13 | GodEater | seems Bagder's commit this morning didn't help the gcc issue after all - I still had to specify CPPFLAGS= on the line calling rockboxdev.sh for gcc to get built |
| 17:56:04 | funman | GodEater: did you notice the patches I have sent ? |
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| 17:56:56 | GodEater | funman: sorry no - been trying to get the bottom of my ftp issue :D |
| 17:57:23 | funman | :) |
| 17:58:46 | domonoky | wow, lcd is working on e200v2.. congrats to all involved :-) |
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| 18:06:47 | linuxstb | domonoky: What v2 device do you have? |
| 18:06:55 | domonoky | m200v2 |
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| 18:07:37 | linuxstb | Ah yes. And there are a couple of Fuze owners around, so that just leaves the c200v2 |
| 18:07:42 | domonoky | and i am awaiting a e200v2 from froobie |
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| 18:08:02 | scorche | domonoky: erm...about that... |
| 18:08:30 | domonoky | scorche: any problems with this ? |
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| 18:13:03 | funman | gevaerts: in fact I'm not using IF_MV*() but something like that : http://paste.ubuntu.com/64186/ |
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| 18:13:16 | funman | and a mandatory 'volume' argument to all the functions |
| 18:13:58 | gevaerts | So how does fat.c know that? |
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| 18:14:33 | funman | hm ok |
| 18:15:21 | funman | maybe a #ifndef HAVE_MULTIVOLUME \n int volume = 0 \n #endif |
| 18:16:04 | gevaerts | That's probably the easiest way |
| 18:16:34 | gevaerts | Multivolume needs to be cleaned up though, so this can be talked about I think |
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| 18:17:30 | * | gevaerts wonders how much the bin+ram cost would be if we just dropped IF_MV* and made that argument mandatory |
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| 18:19:07 | n1s | gevaerts: going over 4 args for a function is costly on some archs at least |
| 18:19:19 | funman | also if several targets use the sd protocol, a SD layer like in Linux could be worth it |
| 18:19:20 | gevaerts | hm, ok |
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| 18:20:09 | * | gevaerts managed to work on the ata reorg a bit today (train ride) |
| 18:21:34 | gevaerts | funman: I think there are four sd targets in the tree (in various states of completion): sansa, sansav2, d2 and elio |
| 18:22:38 | funman | should I use 'drive' instead of 'volume' ? (like in the header) |
| 18:23:35 | gevaerts | I think so, yes. "volume" can also mean a separate partition (and HAVE_MULTIVOLUME has both meanings right now, depending on where you look in the code) |
| 18:23:44 | J-23 | What's D2? |
| 18:23:58 | gevaerts | Cowon D2 |
| 18:24:28 | J-23 | thanks. |
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| 18:53:52 | amiconn | funman: The IF_MV2 macro is a better readable method than ifdefing the function argument literally. That's why it was introduced - it does essentially the same |
| 18:54:21 | amiconn | Adding a mandatory 'volume' parameter for all targets is out of question, since it'd waste binsize |
| 18:55:11 | funman | amiconn: what's your other solution ? |
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| 18:55:36 | amiconn | What other solution? The current macros are working... |
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| 18:56:03 | funman | well .. for 2 different drivers maybe |
| 18:56:14 | amiconn | gevaerts: Making the 'volume' argument mandatory could easily increase binsize by several KB for non-multivolume target, especially on arm and sh1 if a function is pushed over the magic "4 arguments" limit |
| 18:56:34 | funman | it's only for sansav2 though, not all targets |
| 18:57:11 | amiconn | We do need an abstraction layer if the volumes are handled by different drivers. That's what gevaerts is working on afaik |
| 18:57:42 | amiconn | But the sansav2 doesn't need that afaik |
| 18:57:49 | gevaerts | funman: ondio and sansav1 basically do the same thing as sansav2 as far as I can see |
| 18:59:02 | amiconn | And the IF_MV2 should be used for all multivolume targets in the respective drivers, in order to be able to compile a single-volume build for testing purposes |
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| 18:59:10 | funman | ok .. I must take HAVE_HOTSWAP as HAVE_MULTIVOLUME ? |
| 18:59:15 | amiconn | This has proven to be useful several times already |
| 18:59:47 | amiconn | No, they're 2 different things. You can have a multivolume target without hotswap |
| 18:59:54 | amiconn | (though not the other way round) |
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| 19:00:33 | funman | see ata_write_sectors() in ata-sd-pp.c for example: is 'drive' declaration a bug ? |
| 19:01:05 | funman | drive as an argument conditional on HAVE_MULTIVOLUME, and drive as a local variable conditional on HAVE_HOTSWAP |
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| 19:01:21 | gevaerts | funman: that looks like a bug to me, yes |
| 19:01:57 | amiconn | That's a bug, yes |
| 19:02:58 | amiconn | See firmware/drivers/ata_mmc.c: ata_*_sectors() for an example how it's meant to be |
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| 19:03:57 | amiconn | (yes I know that driver should be moved to target tree, and yes that driver is a bit special because it can (statically, at boot) select either internal storage or MMC when compiled without hotswap) |
| 19:04:39 | J-23 | anything new to test on e200v2? |
| 19:04:51 | amiconn | Without multivolume and hotswap I mean |
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| 19:05:18 | funman | amiconn: for example TDR1 register is fixed (in sh7034.h) - in sansav2 case it's not : different for each volume |
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| 19:06:27 | amiconn | and? |
| 19:06:45 | * | amiconn wonders what this has to do with multivolume and/or hotswap |
| 19:07:48 | funman | I use an addition to get the exact register address and this addition is useless without multivolume |
| 19:08:44 | amiconn | That's why the Ondio driver uses 'const int drive' if multivolume is undefined |
| 19:08:55 | funman | ok |
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| 19:09:17 | amiconn | By declaring it const, gcc is able to do the addition at build time and optimize the runtime code away |
| 19:10:01 | amiconn | This trick is used in a number of places, not only related to multivolume (iirc it's used in the fat driver as well when building w/o fat16 support) |
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| 19:11:07 | amiconn | This trick saves quite some #ifdefs without increasing binsize |
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| 19:14:11 | funman | hello bertrik |
| 19:14:39 | bertrik | hi funman, read the good news this morning about the e200v2 display |
| 19:16:12 | bertrik | oh and nice to read that you accepted the commit offer |
| 19:16:37 | funman | I wanted to know a bit more the project's insides |
| 19:17:42 | funman | I had an idea yesterday: I was looking at the disassembly and I noted a lot of references to i2c before the code that inits the SD |
| 19:18:04 | funman | maybe some power need to be activated through the i2c bus |
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| 19:19:11 | bertrik | the codec audio/PMU (or whatever it is called) is indeed responsible for the generation of some internal voltages |
| 19:20:09 | funman | it used some registers different from what is in your code, so I thought I would call you for help :) |
| 19:20:32 | funman | what stroke me is the POWER management unit name |
| 19:21:16 | bertrik | I think i2c itself is not related to power management at all, but possibly the codec that sits on the i2c bus is |
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| 19:25:21 | funman | right, it's just a transport bus |
| 19:25:43 | funman | I want to clean a bit the SD code I have to commit it |
| 19:25:53 | funman | but right now I'm facing some problems with the clock settings |
| 19:26:27 | funman | I think I don't set the pclk correctly since I don't have any display anymore when I use the PLLA as a source for it |
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| 19:26:51 | funman | but earlier in my tests I saw a data abort in the scheduler code - a part that shouldn't have been called |
| 19:27:10 | funman | maybe I need to 'invalidate the instruction and data cache' when I change the cp15 control register for asynchronous mode |
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| 19:27:56 | funman | oh .. or maybe I should wait for the PLLA to be locked like the datasheet mentions |
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| 19:28:54 | bertrik | sounds like a very good idea |
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| 19:29:25 | * | bertrik spots something in the as3525 datasheet about voltage scaling, for Fcpu < 200 MHz we can use 1.1V instead of 1.2V |
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| 19:31:39 | linuxstb | bertrik: What do you think about trying to share the "as3514" (I'm guessing the as3525 parts are similar to the as3514) code with the v1 sansas? The backlight code I committed last night was identical to the c200v1/e200v1 code, apart from replacing the i2c write for PP with your as3525_codec_write function. |
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| 19:35:31 | gevaerts | funman: what HAVE_HOTSWAP usage in ata_write_sectors()? ;) |
| 19:38:07 | amiconn | linuxstb: I would rather live with a bit of duplication than going through hoops in order to unify them |
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| 19:39:13 | amiconn | I'm not saying it shouldn't be done here, but rather that it depends on how much complexity it would add to these builds |
| 19:42:05 | linuxstb | I agree that it depends on the complexity. But it just seems that all I've done recently is copy/paste code from elsewhere in Rockbox... |
| 19:43:44 | amiconn | Yeah, but probably you didn't copypaste a whole file without subsequent adjustments |
| 19:43:51 | bertrik | linuxstb, I thought about that too. It seems the as3525 only adds one more register to the as3514 (but I haven't checked all of the register bits) |
| 19:44:23 | linuxstb | But I think in this case, it's just similar to the wmcodec "API" - the wmcodec_write() function. We can maybe just implement an ascodec_write() function (for PP as well), and use that. |
| 19:44:51 | * | bertrik agrees so far |
| 19:45:21 | * | gevaerts wonders what the build servers are doing |
| 19:45:32 | linuxstb | Dinner time? |
| 19:45:42 | * | amiconn experiments with putting the asm ucl_nrv2e_decompress_8() into the flash loader |
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| 19:46:08 | amiconn | I hope I can get away w/o serial unbricking session(s) |
| 19:47:56 | amiconn | Does SNV support something like symlinks? |
| 19:47:59 | amiconn | *SVN |
| 19:49:29 | gevaerts | amiconn: http://subversion.tigris.org/faq.html#symlinks |
| 19:49:53 | * | gevaerts doesn't really understand what that means in practice for rockbox |
| 19:50:46 | bertrik | no compiling rockbox on a fat partition |
| 19:50:49 | amiconn | Hmm, I wonder whether I should use that, or just cross-reference a file from a different directory |
| 19:51:09 | amiconn | bertrik: cygwin does symlinks even on fat partitions |
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| 19:51:31 | linuxstb | Not everyone uses the cygwin client though |
| 19:52:04 | amiconn | Thing is that I need firmware/decompressor/sh_nrv2e_d8.S when building flash/bootloader/ as well |
| 19:52:31 | amiconn | Right now I just use ../../firmware/decompressor/sh_nrv2e_d8.S in the Makefile... |
| 19:53:09 | gevaerts | Bagder: the build seems to be locked up again |
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| 19:53:37 | linuxstb | Does decompressor/ need to be in firmware? |
| 19:54:22 | amiconn | I think so |
| 19:54:44 | amiconn | But even if it doesn't, it would definitely not belong to flash/ |
| 19:56:00 | linuxstb | Am I right in thinking that the current code just has a copy of the C function? |
| 19:56:16 | amiconn | yes |
| 19:57:00 | amiconn | In fact flash/bootloader/bootloader.c had it first, and I nicked it for the decompressor |
| 19:58:17 | bertrik | linuxstb, if the codec register bits are also similar between as3514 and as3525, then calling it ascodec_write sounds like an excellent idea to me |
| 19:59:44 | linuxstb | amiconn: I can't think of anything better than your current solution. |
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| 20:04:32 | IudeX | Stife89: Ok. thanks |
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| 20:13:51 | n1s | hm, building the lng files take 1/4 of the total build time on my machine |
| 20:14:42 | n1s | 'someone' should look at speeding up genlang :) |
| 20:15:32 | Strife89 | n1s: It bothers me, too. My machine is infinitely slower than yours. :) |
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| 20:15:47 | Strife89 | n1s: 800MHz, before you ask. |
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| 20:16:21 | Lear | n1s: I noticed a lot of pattern matching going on, but that shouldn't take very much time... |
| 20:16:46 | rasher | It's not like my idea of moving to XML is helping any... (it gets a bit slower to build lngs from the xml language format) |
| 20:17:59 | Lear | n1s: Looked at perldoc -q profile? |
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| 20:20:24 | * | amiconn didn't have the impression that genlang is slow so far |
| 20:20:30 | n1s | Lear: nope, as with so many other things I'm clueless when it comes to perl :) |
| 20:20:55 | n1s | amiconn: maybe because cygwin makes everything else much slower |
| 20:21:09 | funman | s/maybe// |
| 20:21:24 | amiconn | I also build on linux occasionally |
| 20:22:08 | amiconn | I wouldn't mind some speedup of the build system of course |
| 20:22:26 | n1s | amiconn: building the lng files "time make -j2 langs" takes 11 seconds for me, and a whole build for h300 takes 43 |
| 20:23:28 | * | domonoky gets a "no rule to make target 'rockboxlogo.h'" error, but the file was generated.. :-/ |
| 20:23:45 | funman | n1s: did you compare to linux running in a virtual machine ? |
| 20:24:18 | rasher | n1s: well, there are 6.4MB of text, and a good deal of comparing and what have you |
| 20:24:38 | n1s | funman: no, i have no virtual machine, it was just a quick comparison between a couple of runs of make langs and regular make |
| 20:25:07 | funman | I think it's worth a try, seeing cygwin's slowness |
| 20:25:08 | n1s | rasher: yes, i am not saying that it is overly slow but it stuck out |
| 20:25:09 | amiconn | Did you disable ccache for that test? |
| 20:25:17 | n1s | amiconn: no |
| 20:25:33 | * | n1s tries |
| 20:25:36 | Lear | n1s: Single lang takes half a second here... |
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| 20:27:03 | n1s | Lear: there's 46 of them and i have 2 cores so that matches my results |
| 20:27:52 | Lear | n1s: Removing the pattern matching cuts some 20%, so that's not a huge issue at least... |
| 20:28:36 | n1s | amiconn: yeah, disabling ccache makes the whole build take twice as long so lng generation is only 1/8 of that |
| 20:28:40 | rasher | I guess you could speed it up by allowing to compile multiple langs in the same instance (thereby only reading english.lang once) |
| 20:28:52 | n1s | Lear: maybe I'm overreacting :) |
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| 20:29:50 | Lear | And btw, the pattern matching I looked at was only the bit where determines if a string should be included for the current target or not... |
| 20:31:24 | n1s | Lear: so if it does that based on english.lang the results should be possible to cache |
| 20:31:42 | n1s | this seems like it would be too much work for little gain |
| 20:32:00 | rasher | n1s: only if the translation properly matches english.lang |
| 20:32:01 | * | funman fought one hour to find that an 'and' in asm code should have been an 'orr' |
| 20:32:24 | rasher | And yeah, I'm pretty sure this isn't exactly low hanging fruit |
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| 20:37:12 | Lear | n1s: Hm, some more testing suggests that optimizing parsetarget could help. E.g., it splits and iterates over $target a lot. Doing it once should save some time, as could pre-compiling some patterns. |
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| 20:37:53 | rasher | It hardly seems worth it |
| 20:38:26 | spaceboy | Hello - where can I get "eraser" - as mentioned here: http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35658 ? |
| 20:38:41 | spaceboy | I am having same issue as thread creator ;s |
| 20:39:03 | amiconn | hmpf |
| 20:39:04 | rasher | I think you need to talk to gevaerts |
| 20:39:49 | amiconn | If I had done for 3.0.1 what I'm doing now, moving the rombox link address for the Player would have been unnecessary |
| 20:39:50 | mc2739 | spaceboy: try here - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaC200Erase |
| 20:40:21 | spaceboy | Oh, thanks :) |
| 20:40:25 | amiconn | Now I have the problem that I need to pad either bootbox or the bootloader a little |
| 20:40:41 | mc2739 | you're welcome |
| 20:41:54 | spaceboy | Goinig to unbrick, have a nice evening! |
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| 20:45:32 | Lear | n1s: He, according to a profile run, 40% of the time is spent in parsetarget, and another 40% in match... :) |
| 20:46:26 | funman | where are the other 40% spent ? |
| 20:46:41 | funman | :) |
| 20:47:07 | * | gevaerts tells funman about the decimal system :) |
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| 20:49:14 | mc2739 | funman: did anyone tell you that your sd test works on the e200v2? |
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| 20:49:51 | amiconn | Grah! |
| 20:49:56 | funman | mc2739: no, nobody did |
| 20:49:57 | * | amiconn did brick is Player |
| 20:50:15 | * | funman wonders what mc2739 will tell .. |
| 20:50:26 | mc2739 | it does! |
| 20:50:30 | funman | :) |
| 20:50:45 | kugel | linuxstb: I think I can have the patch done in 1h or 2 |
| 20:51:14 | funman | mc2739: did you use the NAND base address or SD ? |
| 20:51:47 | linuxstb | funman: This isn't fair, the e200v2 port is working better than our own devices... ;) |
| 20:52:08 | * | funman hopes bertrik will make linuxstb change his mind shortly |
| 20:52:32 | bertrik | hmm, change his mind how? |
| 20:52:44 | funman | find the missing i2c bit for SD card power-up ! |
| 20:52:47 | linuxstb | kugel: OK, thanks. |
| 20:52:53 | mc2739 | funman: I used the code that was in the git version of bootloader/sansa_as3525.c |
| 20:53:33 | funman | mc2739: can you look at the top of ata_inand.c and change the condition to see if it also works the same for the SD slot ? |
| 20:54:16 | mc2739 | funman: I can try it later - I'm not at home now |
| 20:54:27 | * | amiconn wonders what he did wrong... |
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| 20:57:28 | obo | is there any reason to keep the gigabeat-s branch around? |
| 20:57:34 | funman | amiconn: gevaerts , can search for 'IF_MV' in http://paste.ubuntu.com/64252/ and tell me if you think the usage is correct ? |
| 20:57:55 | stu8ball | What all languages can plugins be written in ? |
| 20:58:03 | stu8ball | There's C and, on the wiki example, C++. |
| 20:58:17 | funman | In fact I think overloading function calls with a IF_MV2() macro is a bit overdoing, even if it saves one argument when calling the function (the functions have maximum 2 arguments) |
| 20:58:21 | obo | stu8ball: c only |
| 20:58:24 | stu8ball | ah |
| 20:58:28 | stu8ball | ok, thanks |
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| 20:59:28 | bertrik | funman, after looking at the datasheet it seems most generated voltages have pretty sane defaults |
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| 21:00:07 | funman | couldn't a on/off switch exist on the bus ? |
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| 21:00:20 | funman | maybe undocumented in the datasheet since sandisk added its own stuff in the SoC |
| 21:00:23 | gevaerts | funman: looks ok to me. For static functions with only one argument, you can probably just add the drive argument. It's mainly the public official ata_* ones that you need to be careful about |
| 21:01:31 | linuxstb | markun: ping |
| 21:01:52 | linuxstb | (or anyone else that knows the audiohw API) |
| 21:01:54 | gevaerts | funman: actually, you now have a global and several local drive variables. That doesn't look right |
| 21:02:25 | funman | gevaerts: well the global variable should have been removed obviously |
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| 21:02:48 | funman | gevaerts: why 'only one argument', is there a problem with function having 2 ? (like send_cmd() ) . I thought the barrier was 4 |
| 21:03:13 | gevaerts | funman: one is certainly safe, four is certainly not. I don't know where the limit is :) |
| 21:03:48 | bertrik | funman, there is a USB voltage of 3.26V which is disabled by default |
| 21:04:03 | gevaerts | USB 3.26V? |
| 21:04:34 | bertrik | to supply the USB 2.0 OTG interface block |
| 21:05:18 | * | amiconn probably shouldn't have lame-padded the bootloader... |
| 21:05:19 | bertrik | ofcourse I don't know exactly what the internal bootloader does, it may put other values in the voltage generation registers than the codec defaults |
| 21:05:40 | * | amiconn goes to do some soldering :\ |
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| 21:07:40 | linuxstb | Can anyone familiar with the audiohw API look at this patch, and say if it looks like the Right Thing ? http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ascodec.diff |
| 21:09:17 | gevaerts | Strife89: PluginSpacerocks is indeed not very fancy, but at least in my view most of those plugin wiki pages don't make much sense, as the information should be in the manual |
| 21:10:38 | Strife89 | gevaerts: I've edited some plugin pages already but didn't remove the "lack of documentation" symbol if you'd like to look. |
| 21:11:10 | Strife89 | gevaerts: I'd actually like to see the Wiki pages and the manual text merged somehow, but it's wishful thinking on my part. |
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| 21:11:57 | gevaerts | I think they should be merged with the manual as the result, not to have both with the same content, as then they will diverge again |
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| 21:12:44 | funman | Now that I know my code will not break any existing setup: should I commit it or post it on flyspray? |
| 21:12:48 | bertrik | funman, in the OF I something weird, apparently something is written to the sd_mci_base address and gpio d7 at the same time |
| 21:13:13 | Strife89 | gevaerts: Four I've edited: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginRockblox |
| 21:13:27 | funman | bertrik: I noticed that : but xpd should be linked to the sdmci controller, and not to the gpio at this time |
| 21:13:27 | Strife89 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginStarfield |
| 21:13:40 | Strife89 | Make that three: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginRockblox |
| 21:13:53 | funman | I'm not sure if writing into gpio d7 will write into xpd[7] (which is the resistor open drain pin IIRC) |
| 21:14:05 | Strife89 | Whoops. http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginXobox |
| 21:14:46 | funman | http://paste.ubuntu.com/64261/ < sd patch |
| 21:15:37 | Strife89 | Oh, is this work on the SD driver? |
| 21:15:51 | * | Strife89 is clueless here. |
| 21:15:59 | J-23 | can I test it? |
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| 21:18:26 | bertrik | I thought D7 was the button light |
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| 21:18:32 | bertrik | (on the clip at least) |
| 21:19:11 | gevaerts | funman: I think that if it doesn't brick players, and if it has no chance of introducing bugs (i.e. breaking someone's nice rockbox experience somehow), it should just go in. |
| 21:20:07 | funman | bertrik: look at the BGA mapping : some pins have different meaning (selectable in CCU_IO for xpd[]) |
| 21:20:39 | funman | gevaerts: ok, if I don't follow the 'good style' (tm) I hope someone will tell me ;) |
| 21:21:10 | gevaerts | New ports have bit looser rules than e.g. playback.c :) |
| 21:21:44 | * | funman looks for something to modify in playback.c |
| 21:21:51 | domonoky | it seem r18920 broke building on my system (cygwin) :-/ (it seems it cant find rockboxlogo.h and other bmp headers) |
| 21:22:29 | domonoky | r18919 builds fine... *searching for the bug* |
| 21:22:49 | n1s | domonoky: you did 'make clean' right? |
| 21:22:56 | bertrik | That confuses me, does it mean we can't do anything with the button light is the sd it busy? |
| 21:23:03 | pixelma | maybe reconfigured? |
| 21:23:16 | domonoky | nls: yes i did, clean and reconfigured source code |
| 21:23:50 | funman | bertrik: I'm not sure .. |
| 21:26:02 | gevaerts | Should I even try to change ata_flash.c in my storage overhaul? iFP7xx compilation fails before it reaches that file, so I have no way at all to see if I did it properly |
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| 21:27:33 | funman | bertrik: or you could modify ccu_io, modify the button light, and modify ccu_io again but you need to be sure the SD is not busy and your code will not be interrupted |
| 21:29:55 | pixelma | domonoky: is this for every build you tried or only target or sim or? Currently trying myself on cygwin too (Ondio target build as a start) |
| 21:30:33 | pixelma | looks good sofar (it's building the plugin bitmaps currently) |
| 21:30:36 | domonoky | pixelma: i was trying h100 sim. |
| 21:31:03 | domonoky | the bitmaps are built correctly, but it cant find the headers later.. :-/ |
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| 21:32:21 | domonoky | looks like target builds works... it got past the point it errors for sims.. |
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| 21:33:26 | pixelma | Ondio build went fine here |
| 21:33:46 | domonoky | could you try a sim build ? |
| 21:34:02 | pixelma | yes, configuring right now |
| 21:34:44 | pixelma | that sandisk target list got too long and confused me ;) |
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| 21:35:31 | domonoky | and we will extend it even more...:-) |
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| 21:37:17 | pixelma | right, stopped at *** No rule to make target `rockboxlogo.h' ... |
| 21:38:05 | domonoky | so sim build on cygwin are broken..lets blame zagor :-) |
| 21:38:16 | funman | only on cygwin? |
| 21:38:36 | domonoky | hm.. dont know. can somebody try on linux ? |
| 21:39:02 | pixelma | nothing to see in the build table |
| 21:39:18 | n1s | sim builds fine here |
| 21:40:02 | gevaerts | r18922 should have fixed that if I read the log correctly |
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| 21:40:23 | pixelma | I just updated to r18926 |
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| 21:41:21 | pixelma | I mean before trying |
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| 21:46:18 | pixelma | could be a hint for "someone" though - the error that occured on some buildservers and which was fixed by r18922 looks similar but not completely the same. So maybe it's related... |
| 21:46:35 | domonoky | yes, from r18920 to now its broken.. |
| 21:46:51 | funman | bertrik: the OF enables the i2c audio before using the SD, not the i2c master |
| 21:47:09 | n1s | funman: there is one problem with importing code from linux, we are GPL "v2 or later" while linux is strictly v2 so if anyone want's to ever release rockbox as GPL v3 that file could not be included... |
| 21:47:35 | funman | n1s: it's an header so the only problem will be someone has to type again the list of registers |
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| 21:48:26 | funman | and I thought invidivual files could be licensed at the discretion of their author, and the 'gplv2 only' apply only to files with an unspecified licence |
| 21:48:28 | bluebrother | funman: shouldn't the file itself have a note about it being imported? Your mail about the tabs will get forgotten rather soon |
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| 21:48:43 | funman | bluebrother: I thought the path in the file was enough |
| 21:49:45 | n1s | funman: i know, just saying as we had a _lengthy_ debate and finally decide to go "or later" and went through all headers and updated them, got permission to use that "or later" for IPL code etc, so i don't think we should add more restricted code, i don't know how others see it though... |
| 21:50:39 | funman | oh I see |
| 21:50:52 | * | linuxstb agrees with n1s - we don't want to commit any new "v2 only" files |
| 21:51:10 | funman | this file explicitely says 'gpl version 2' |
| 21:51:36 | linuxstb | Yes, that's the problem. |
| 21:51:51 | funman | I think mailing Deep Blue is shorter than rewriting the whole file |
| 21:51:58 | * | bluebrother is with n1s here −− making the license situation unclear for the whole thing isn't a good thing. |
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| 21:55:59 | funman | I sent them a short mail asking the permission to redistribute under GPLv2 or later |
| 21:56:15 | funman | if they don't answer this week I'll retype the registers list |
| 21:56:35 | funman | well there is even no registers, only bitfields |
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| 21:58:22 | funman | bertrik: a problem is I see the OF accessing undocumented registers in the i2c_audio memory space |
| 21:58:41 | funman | offsets 0x14 and 0x18 for example |
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| 22:02:12 | * | bluebrother spots that he overlooked a red build yesterday |
| 22:03:49 | bluebrother | hmm, but if that memcpy is wrong due to the value being a short then it's wrong at other locations too |
| 22:04:55 | amiconn | no |
| 22:05:18 | amiconn | The struct member you tried to copy is an array of shorts |
| 22:05:27 | amiconn | The other one is an array of chars |
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| 22:07:10 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 22:07:35 | bluebrother | ameyer: no, I mean other places where the array is memcpy'ed |
| 22:07:48 | bluebrother | like in restore_state() |
| 22:08:56 | bluebrother | ah, that wasn't meant at ameyer ... |
| 22:10:31 | bertrik | funman, those are some other kind of slave id, I think they are used for i2c in slave mode, see I2C1_SEAD0/1 |
| 22:11:14 | funman | bertrik but I don't see them listed for I2C2 |
| 22:11:17 | bertrik | it looks like there is a single i2c driver that can handle both the audio master and i2cmsi bus |
| 22:11:19 | linuxstb | bluebrother: savedboard/currentboard are char arrays. It's only possiblevals that's short. |
| 22:11:45 | funman | ah I just found the 'i2c_busy' function in the OF |
| 22:11:48 | kugel | linuxstb: so, I have a running sim now (without background picture though, since I can't find 64bit driver for my old scanner). What about the bootloader? |
| 22:12:15 | bluebrother | linuxstb: yep, but sudoku.c:870 memcpy-ies possiblevals |
| 22:12:21 | kugel | I could compile a bootloader in the git repo (which didn't more but add the 5s delay). Now it #errors because of the unknown memory |
| 22:12:52 | bluebrother | (plus a few other places) |
| 22:13:23 | linuxstb | bluebrother: No it doesn't... Are you looking at current SVN? |
| 22:13:42 | * | bluebrother goes getting a fresh copy |
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| 22:14:19 | linuxstb | kugel: Fixing the real (i.e. not sim build) is what's needed. i.e. adding the Fuze correctly to the build system, with either dummy functions, or real code. |
| 22:15:20 | kugel | linuxstb: Yes I know, but making the sim work was rather trivial. And thus, I already added a keymap. |
| 22:15:33 | bluebrother | grrr. |
| 22:15:39 | funman | kugel: for the fuze it should be the exact same settings than for clip & m200 |
| 22:15:44 | kugel | But that's why I'm asking, should the bootloader build work or is it not too serious now? |
| 22:15:52 | * | bluebrother notices his local copy is messed up and for some reason svn didn't notice? |
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| 22:16:09 | kugel | I added it to the build system, that's not the question |
| 22:16:18 | kugel | to the rockbox tree, rather |
| 22:16:57 | kugel | funman: i.e. 2MiB ram? |
| 22:17:13 | funman | yes |
| 22:17:23 | domonoky | with fuze added, mkamsboot could get dangerous for some m200v2 firmwares (it detects them as fuze, which errors for now) |
| 22:17:46 | linuxstb | kugel: The aim is to get the bootloader compiling. |
| 22:17:51 | funman | domonoky: I wanted to ask you if you can find something to use A3 for dual boot |
| 22:17:53 | * | bluebrother realizes how he managed to fool himself and goes standing in the corner |
| 22:18:34 | funman | the problem is that it could be problematic : rockbox running when we don't want, or the reverse, because we HAVE to use the power button at startup |
| 22:18:54 | funman | maybe check power button; delay 0.5s and check again |
| 22:19:20 | domonoky | funman: yes, thats the problem.. i will try to find something.. |
| 22:20:40 | linuxstb | domonoky: Maybe the suggestion of md5 checksums should be added? |
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| 22:21:06 | funman | the only problem I can think of is bricking a device due to bad button code |
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| 22:27:06 | bertrik | funman, on line 301 of ata_sd_as3525.c it seems comment are code are inconsistent, is the code correct or the comment? |
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| 22:28:25 | funman | comment |
| 22:28:35 | funman | read, 3rd bit |
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| 22:31:12 | * | linuxstb now needs an md5 function for mkamsboot, and sees one in tools/fwpatcher/ |
| 22:31:49 | domonoky | it seems adding fuze is not as dangerios as i though, it will boot into the OF, if the A§ |
| 22:31:55 | domonoky | A3 check is enabled.. |
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| 22:33:53 | domonoky | but md5 sums like for the iriver hx00 bootloaders would be good.. |
| 22:34:22 | funman | extra safety ^^ |
| 22:34:30 | funman | can iriver hx00 be unbricked? |
| 22:34:49 | domonoky | only with a bdm.. (extra hardware and skills) |
| 22:34:54 | bluebrother | only by using a bdm |
| 22:36:09 | domonoky | afaik rbutil does this md5 checking for the irivers, so we dont really need the md5sums in mkamsboot.. |
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| 22:36:37 | * | amiconn really wonders what he did wrong |
| 22:36:40 | funman | there is a big warning anyway |
| 22:36:47 | domonoky | and trust that people who use mkamsboot directly to know what they do.. :-) |
| 22:36:53 | amiconn | uart_boot now refuses to work, at least the important part :( |
| 22:37:16 | funman | amiconn: something due to the decompressor ? |
| 22:37:25 | amiconn | A few weeks ago I tested it before I tried the new flash image, and then it worked |
| 22:38:08 | amiconn | funman: uart_boot is an old program to load a serial monitor into an archos and run stuff using that monitor |
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| 22:38:50 | amiconn | It has nothing to do with the decompressor. What I did was flashing an obviously wrong image into the flash rom, and so my Player no longer boots |
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| 22:39:45 | amiconn | With uart_boot it should be possible to transfer minimon and unbrick the box, but somehow minimon refuses to work, even though the download *appears* to work |
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| 22:41:26 | Slasheri | domonoky: iriver bootloaders (from version 7) have internal crc32 checksum |
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| 22:42:28 | tyfoo | hi, how to backup my existing rockbox setup including all configs? (ipod mini 2nd gen) |
| 22:42:53 | domonoky | Slasheri: but that doesnt save you if use flash a broken bootloader with the OF ? |
| 22:43:20 | domonoky | tyfoo: just backup the .rockbox dir.. |
| 22:43:25 | Slasheri | domonoky: indeed |
| 22:43:42 | Slasheri | domonoky: but normally you shouldn't patch the bootloader from the .bin file yourself |
| 22:43:59 | Slasheri | even the OF does have a checksum in its .hex-format |
| 22:44:00 | linuxstb | domonoky: I don't want the command-line utilities to become second-class citizens though - I still prefer to use them to rbutil. |
| 22:44:40 | domonoky | linuxstb: the iriver commandline tools also dont do this :-) |
| 22:45:02 | linuxstb | I know, but I've long since removed the iriver firmware, so they're no use to me. |
| 22:45:05 | domonoky | Slasheri: extra safety is always nice.. |
| 22:45:07 | tyfoo | domonoky: i heard, rockbox saves its settings in an unpartitionated diskpart. is that wrong? |
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| 22:45:33 | linuxstb | tyfoo: It used to, but not for a few years. |
| 22:45:42 | tyfoo | domonoky: because i want to install the original apple fiormware for testing purpose |
| 22:46:22 | tyfoo | okay |
| 22:47:48 | Slasheri | domonoky: that's true of course. and in fact version 7 bootloader flash sequence has a double checksum check (a simple checksum and hard-coded crc32) |
| 22:48:11 | linuxstb | shotofadds: Hi, any news? |
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| 22:51:06 | * | gevaerts thinks that he should actually test his 109 files FS #9500 diff some time :) |
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| 22:52:03 | gevaerts | It looks like that one will give an interesting delta though. |
| 22:52:55 | funman | 32MB of ipodlinux source - still downloading .. |
| 22:53:06 | * | bluebrother wonders what color that delta will have |
| 22:53:17 | funman | I hope to find descriptions of the i2c registers |
| 22:53:23 | shotofadds | linuxstb: I haven't had much spare time lately i'm afraid. I'm trying to get usb going on the m200, but I think windows might be thwarting that right now. Don't suppose anyone has a tcctool that might run in the Rockbox debian VM (Sarge?) since I can't built one myself.. |
| 22:53:34 | gevaerts | Current state is +600 for ipod, and -1400 for D2 |
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| 22:54:02 | shotofadds | gevaerts: nice! I vote it goes it :p |
| 22:54:05 | shotofadds | s/it/in |
| 22:54:38 | gevaerts | Not yet. I still need to get rid of some wrapper functions (they need to be macros), so it will look even nicer :) |
| 22:54:59 | gevaerts | And maybe test a bit of course |
| 22:56:29 | * | gevaerts wouldn't mind if some people reviewed this to check if he's not too far from the right track |
| 22:56:37 | shotofadds | testing, schmesting ;-) I'll try to take a look later tonight, but for now at least I have an excuse for not committing NAND driver updates... waiting for gevaerts' re-work ;) |
| 22:56:39 | kugel | funman: I get "unsupported model: fuze" when building the bootloader |
| 22:56:53 | funman | in mkamsboot? |
| 22:56:59 | kugel | in make |
| 22:57:03 | funman | where? |
| 22:57:11 | gevaerts | shotofadds: I don't think the patch will touch parts where you are likely to change things :) |
| 22:57:13 | kugel | at the very end of the compilation |
| 22:57:28 | funman | please paste the thing, I have no idea where this message comes from |
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| 22:58:11 | domonoky | its probably the sdram mode "read" |
| 22:58:33 | linuxstb | kugel: That's probably in tools/scramble |
| 22:58:40 | funman | kugel: if it's in system-as3525.c , just add the fuze case next to m200v2 and clip |
| 22:59:13 | kugel | scramble sounds promising |
| 22:59:35 | linuxstb | Check the svn history of scramble.c - you'll see where I added the other v2 targets |
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| 22:59:47 | * | shotofadds looks at scorche and wonders if an updated VMware image is still on the todo list |
| 22:59:49 | linuxstb | The number used there is MODEL_NUMBER from config-fuze.h |
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| 23:00:00 | * | scorche|sh hides |
| 23:00:10 | shotofadds | the lack of libusb-dev (and inability to apt-get it) is rather frustrating :( |
| 23:00:30 | gevaerts | shotofadds: why can't you apt-get it? |
| 23:01:36 | shotofadds | gevaerts: http://pastebin.ca/1240033 |
| 23:02:21 | funman | shotofadds: you can download the .deb and dpkg -i it |
| 23:03:19 | linuxstb | Or just do it the old fashioned way and get the source .tgz and ./configure && make && make install |
| 23:03:54 | * | gevaerts recommends downloading the deb |
| 23:04:19 | gevaerts | http://archive.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libu/libusb/libusb-dev_0.1.10a-9.sarge.1_i386.deb |
| 23:04:25 | scorche|sh | Debain Policy and all that jazz |
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| 23:04:37 | * | scorche|sh transposes a couple of letters |
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| 23:06:12 | gevaerts | Of course it's entirely possible that tcctool doesn't work with that version |
| 23:06:32 | fml | Has any consensus been reached about including/not including new features? Low mem targets are not an argument for me because, in order to enable RB on them, many other features have to be cut off as well. Hence it will be a raid :-) |
| 23:06:47 | shotofadds | gevaerts: we'll soon find out... |
| 23:07:34 | fml | Another question: in one of the recent commits, memcpy is used with a parameter 81. Would sizeof work there (2-d array)? Or would sizeof give wrong size in that case, i.e. not 81? |
| 23:07:34 | Bagder | fml: what consensus is there to reach? |
| 23:07:39 | kugel | linuxstb: FS #9512 |
| 23:07:52 | gevaerts | fml: the consensus is that we won't do that RAID :) |
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| 23:08:21 | funman | rockbox is not emacs (tm) |
| 23:08:36 | fml | Bagder: about what features are accepted into the main stream and what need a custom build to be used |
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| 23:08:59 | Bagder | fml: we haven't discussed individual patches afaik |
| 23:09:03 | * | linuxstb thinks the concensus is to treat everything on a case-by-case basis |
| 23:09:09 | funman | kugel: a Clip background could be used for the Fuze |
| 23:09:23 | kugel | funman: Well, but both are good oses lacking a decent text editor ;) |
| 23:09:30 | * | Badger looks rather surprised. |
| 23:09:31 | Bagder | the discussion has been more like waving hands in the air |
| 23:09:32 | kugel | (regarding the emacs) |
| 23:09:37 | fml | re. 81: I mean r18906 (sudoku.c) |
| 23:09:39 | funman | :) |
| 23:09:47 | gevaerts | fml: only well-coded patches need apply. I'm not aware of any more consensus than that |
| 23:10:09 | funman | kugel: the memory on the fuze is not unknown, it is 2MB ;) (tools/configure) |
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| 23:10:26 | kugel | Well, I don't know it. You told me to use 2MiB |
| 23:10:34 | * | gevaerts also doesn't see the need for much more consensus |
| 23:11:05 | fml | And what about sizeof(2-d array) =? 81? |
| 23:11:58 | gevaerts | fml: I personally think sizeof would be better in this case. |
| 23:12:04 | fml | I ask because I was surprised to see a number there. |
| 23:12:23 | funman | kugel: in the config-fuze.h there is mention of button wheel, also do you know the screen resolution ? |
| 23:12:50 | kugel | it's 220x176 |
| 23:12:55 | shotofadds | gevaerts: i don't think this is going to work in a VM. VMware shows the device is connected (140e:b021) but lsusb inside the VM shows nothing |
| 23:13:20 | funman | kugel: why didn't you test the bootloader ? (to see if backlight works for example) |
| 23:13:22 | gevaerts | Can't you tell vmware to pass it on to the guest? |
| 23:13:29 | fml | gevaerts: I'm I right in the assumption that if I have char x[9][9] then sizeof(x) is 81? Haven't used such thing for a while and am too lazy to try it out. |
| 23:13:58 | gevaerts | I don't see why not |
| 23:13:59 | kugel | funman: a) let you/ linuxstb review my work b) no time :) |
| 23:14:07 | shotofadds | gevaerts: I did, it already shows as connected..# |
| 23:14:07 | funman | ok |
| 23:14:39 | gevaerts | shotofadds: did you run lsusb as root? |
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| 23:15:48 | shotofadds | yep. nothing, which is weird as I'm sure I've seen this working before |
| 23:17:26 | * | gevaerts can't help further then |
| 23:17:39 | gevaerts | I've never actually used vmware |
| 23:18:06 | shotofadds | gevaerts: when I tried a usb m200 build from windows the usb stack fails with a panic "usb_drv_send_nonblocking(129, 0): Not supported". I guess that's another one to ask vitja about... |
| 23:18:17 | shotofadds | hence why I wanted to try from linux |
| 23:18:28 | * | shotofadds will attempt to track down a real linux install |
| 23:18:57 | rasher | Bagder: did you see w32sims.pl? |
| 23:19:08 | funman | shotofadds: I know virtualbox can do usb passthrough |
| 23:19:11 | Bagder | I noticed it but I haven't checked it out closer |
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| 23:19:29 | rasher | It's basically a copy of bins.pl, but slightly smarter |
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| 23:19:44 | shotofadds | funman: I'll give it a try later, but right now the "better half" needs some attention... back later. |
| 23:20:03 | gevaerts | shotofadds: that means there is an issue with endpoint allocation I think. Are you trying serial or storage? |
| 23:22:05 | rasher | Bagder: I've modified the other scripts in the same way, but hesitate to commit |
| 23:22:14 | AJCantos | Hi guys, I'm having problems executing rockboxdev.sh, here's what I get http://paste.ubuntu.com/64322/ |
| 23:22:35 | Bagder | gosh |
| 23:23:13 | funman | AJCantos: you really need to know what happens before these lines |
| 23:23:44 | funman | did you verify arm-elf-as etc were installed when the script reaches this point ? |
| 23:24:49 | AJCantos | funman: No, how should I do that? |
| 23:25:10 | funman | check in /usr/local/arm-elf (the default) |
| 23:25:26 | funman | the script will modify it's $PATH to look there itself |
| 23:25:56 | amiconn | Hah, the SVN minimon is linked to a wrong address |
| 23:26:11 | n1s | AJCantos: looks like it tries to use the wrong assembelr |
| 23:26:17 | amiconn | uart_boot loads it to 0x0ffff000 (IRAM), but it's linked for DRAM (0x09000000) |
| 23:26:22 | Bagder | it's /usr/local/arm-elf/bin |
| 23:26:23 | funman | amiconn: can't those addresses be determined at buildtime ? |
| 23:26:36 | * | amiconn wonders what [IDC]Dragon did.... |
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| 23:26:57 | amiconn | At least I have a working minimon for unbricking my Player |
| 23:27:09 | robin0800 | funman: don't know if it helps but now CPPFLAGS=-O_FORTIFY_SOURCE is inside rockboxdev.sh I don't see it in the print out should I? |
| 23:28:19 | funman | robin0800: Yes you should see it, did you try removing /tmp/rbdev-build ? |
| 23:28:21 | Bagder | AJCantos: seeing you're doing that on a /media/ device, I would rather recommend to use a "native" hard drive for speed (and non-fat32 filesystem) |
| 23:28:36 | AJCantos | nls: and what am I supposed to do? |
| 23:29:21 | AJCantos | Badger: I can't, my eee doesn't have much storage! |
| 23:29:42 | robin0800 | funman: yes you can't run it again if you don't remove them |
| 23:29:57 | Bagder | AJCantos: ok, that's a good motivation but are you using fat32 on that? |
| 23:30:06 | n1s | AJCantos: that sort of depends on _why_ this happens, did the binutils build and install work as expected, is arm-elf-as and friends in the path where the script needs them, do you have the right permissions etc |
| 23:30:20 | funman | robin0800: I built the arm compiler today on ubuntu 8.10, but I needed to apply 2 patches to gcc and binutils (binutils would crash and gcc fail to build) |
| 23:30:49 | funman | AJCantos: try /usr/local/arm-elf/bin/arm-elf-as |
| 23:30:59 | funman | maybe you can't execute them if they are on a separate partition |
| 23:31:31 | AJCantos | funman: Fair enoug |
| 23:32:12 | AJCantos | Bagder: My in-board storage is ext3, but the externl is fat32 |
| 23:32:47 | Bagder | I wouldn't count on that to work 100% |
| 23:33:04 | funman | you could create a big file on the fat32, and use it as a ext3 partition |
| 23:33:34 | Bagder | I mean, it depends on how you mount it etc but fat32 isn't case sensitive and more |
| 23:33:57 | Bagder | I suspect that can lead to "funny" side-effects |
| 23:34:04 | robin0800 | funman: yes saw those on the mailing list, does Badger know its broken again? |
| 23:34:05 | AJCantos | n1s: Is difficult to tell, as I don't know what should be in there... |
| 23:34:36 | AJCantos | Alright, I'll try to build them in my ext3 disk and see what happens |
| 23:34:50 | AJCantos | Thanks guys |
| 23:35:32 | * | Bagder can see how Badger will offload him some of his traffic... |
| 23:35:46 | robin0800 | funman: How do you apply your patches ? |
| 23:36:37 | funman | robin0800: you can add a pause in the script after it has unpacked the source ("echo press enter;read i" will do) |
| 23:36:48 | funman | and apply them in /tmp/rbdev-build before compilation begins |
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| 23:38:28 | * | Bagder tries to understand what the YH920 guy means |
| 23:40:18 | * | linuxstb looks at the Sansa V2 firmwares, and sees them all described as "e200 plus", "m200 plus" etc in the included header.txt file |
| 23:40:43 | funman | linuxstb: you mean in the SanDisk archive ? |
| 23:41:11 | linuxstb | I'm not sure where the header.txt comes from - it's in some of the downloads on Bagder's site |
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| 23:41:36 | Bagder | I think they are more or less directly off SanDisk's site |
| 23:41:46 | Bagder | the packages I mean |
| 23:42:52 | funman | I download them on the Sansa forums |
| 23:43:15 | funman | if e200v2 is "e200 plus", why isn't m200 "m200 plus plus plus" ? :) |
| 23:43:32 | gevaerts | And is the c200v2 a c plus plus? |
| 23:44:01 | linuxstb | Because there is no such thing as "e200v2", "c200v2", it's just something Bagder invented ;) |
| 23:44:16 | * | Bagder goes to the corner |
| 23:44:29 | funman | does it mean Bagder is now our messiah ? |
| 23:44:40 | Bagder | you may kneel now |
| 23:44:43 | funman | "thou shall not crash" |
| 23:44:48 | Bagder | :-) |
| 23:46:10 | rasher | Bagder: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9513 |
| 23:46:24 | * | amiconn got his Player back up :D |
| 23:46:54 | amiconn | Darn minimon - gotta commit that fix |
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| 23:55:34 | amiconn | And a flash image built without lame manual padding works as expected... |
| 23:55:37 | * | amiconn slaps self |
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