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| 00:16:19 | brent0n | hi guys :) |
| 00:16:55 | brent0n | i know there use to be a .bat file that you could drag videos onto and it would automatically transcode them to work with the rockbox |
| 00:16:59 | brent0n | but i can't seem to find it |
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| 00:20:46 | linuxstb | brent0n: If it's anywhere, it will be on the PluginMpegplayer wiki page. |
| 00:21:25 | funman | I've found how to disable the 'fast power off' mode of the Clip |
| 00:22:29 | funman | set CVDD/DCDC3 i2c register to 0x16 |
| 00:24:24 | kugel | funman: no wheel on the fuze? that's new to me :) |
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| 00:25:07 | funman | oops I thought it had no, seeing how similar it is with the clip |
| 00:25:17 | * | funman tries to rotate the clip's wheel |
| 00:25:46 | funman | is it a sensitive wheel, or like the e200 ? |
| 00:26:19 | kugel | it's a phyiscal wheel, but the directional buttons are integrated into it |
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| 00:27:34 | kugel | so it's a mix of teh ipod and e200v1 wheel |
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| 00:42:48 | linuxstb | Am I right in thinking that the Sansa V2 firmwares are identical for all regions, and it's only the filename that differs? |
| 00:43:17 | funman | 100% right |
| 00:43:55 | linuxstb | In which case, there may be a mistake on Bagder's site - the two versions of the m200 4.1.08 firmware are different |
| 00:44:16 | funman | hm .. how much ? |
| 00:44:27 | funman | different in size ? did you look at the code inside? |
| 00:44:36 | linuxstb | The size is identical, but md5sums differ |
| 00:44:57 | funman | of course : all the files have the same size |
| 00:45:36 | funman | what about the model byte in the header ? |
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| 00:47:41 | linuxstb | Hmm, they only differ very slightly, here's a diff of the "xxd" output from the two files - http://pastebin.ca/1240118 |
| 00:48:05 | linuxstb | Just the timestamps by the look of it. |
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| 00:50:31 | funman | can you check what's at 0x15990 ? maybe they messed up the 'capabilities' check |
| 00:50:53 | funman | or maybe they fixed a last minute bug in FM/whatever |
| 00:51:13 | linuxstb | No, there are no code differences - see my diff |
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| 00:51:56 | funman | 4110 a0e3 -> 4510 a0e3 : near a branch, I suppose it's code |
| 00:52:04 | linuxstb | Ah, sorry ... |
| 00:52:21 | funman | hidden in the middle of only timestamps diffs ;) |
| 00:53:12 | linuxstb | It's getting late again... Perhaps I shouldn't commit my mkamsboot changes tonight ;) |
| 00:53:44 | funman | no hurry, better finish it when you are 100% able :) |
| 00:54:48 | linuxstb | Do you have any firmware files apart from the ones I list here? http://pastebin.ca/1240125 |
| 00:54:50 | funman | there seems to be nothing interesting in what the OF does with i2c at initialization : only set minimal power consumption it seems |
| 00:55:01 | shotofadds | gevaerts: I finally got tcctool working in the VM (turns out it needed a sodding reboot after installing libusb..no idea why). Although it's /really/ slow uploading to the device... and I still get the same panic as I did in Windows. Hopefull I'll have time to investigate this some more tomorrow (and have a look at your storage patch) |
| 00:55:16 | funman | I have clipv29 - which is the primary disassembly I read |
| 00:55:33 | linuxstb | Can you md5sum it for me? |
| 00:55:57 | funman | b07fe36b338241944c241de21fb1e490 |
| 00:56:07 | linuxstb | Thanks. |
| 00:56:33 | * | shotofadds wonders whether the rather sparse gpio_init() on M200 might have anything to do with it... |
| 00:57:10 | linuxstb | funman: mkamsboot will still default to the old model_id check if it doesn't recognise the md5sum, but it will print an extra warning before doing so. |
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| 00:57:35 | funman | ok |
| 00:57:39 | funman | oh by the way |
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| 00:57:54 | funman | the clipv2 'firmware block' is > 320kB this is why it is loaded in SDRAM by the bootloader |
| 00:58:15 | funman | so it won't fit in the 128kB block size we use for compression |
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| 01:00:40 | linuxstb | Shouldn't be a problem to increase it. |
| 01:01:17 | linuxstb | Do you have any idea what's different about the clipv2? |
| 01:01:39 | funman | the disassembly showed a armv5 instruction |
| 01:02:06 | funman | it was suggested that it might use a newer ams soc (as3530 is armv5 based) |
| 01:02:29 | funman | from a very quick look there was a lot of identical code |
| 01:02:43 | linuxstb | That would make sense. I guess no-one has taken photos yet? |
| 01:03:08 | funman | no |
| 01:03:10 | linuxstb | Hopefully Rockbox will run on the as3525 Sansas before they all change to as3530... |
| 01:03:29 | funman | and there will be much more code we can re-use than sansav1->sansav2 ;) |
| 01:03:38 | linuxstb | Just as I was feeling confident Rockbox may run on some in-production targets... |
| 01:04:11 | funman | now we need some love from e200v2 hackers if the SD can be used directly |
| 01:04:28 | linuxstb | But yes, hopefully the changes will be relatively easy. We're running out of numbers in the configure menu though - 50 to 59 will all be taken when we add the fuze and c200v2. |
| 01:05:02 | funman | 50x will do fine I believe ;) |
| 01:05:21 | AJCantos | hi guys, I think I've manged to run rockboxdev successfully |
| 01:05:52 | funman | AJCantos: cool, did the ext3 partition solve your problem? |
| 01:07:42 | AJCantos | I just emptied space in my on-board flash (ext3) and save everything there |
| 01:08:13 | JdGordon | linuxstb: e200r can be removed from configure to get one more back |
| 01:08:31 | JdGordon | also we should maybe split sansa into sansa PP and sansa ams |
| 01:08:54 | AJCantos | However I have a quick question, I've a couple of "Nothing to be done for `install'". Is that normal? |
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| 01:09:54 | funman | AJCantos: yes it's normal |
| 01:10:36 | AJCantos | OK, great. Thanks, you've been very helpful. |
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| 01:18:40 | linuxstb | funman: Which region is that Clip 1.1.29 firmware? I've just found the "a" and "e" files, and get a different sum. |
| 01:19:46 | funman | I don't know anymore ;) |
| 01:19:52 | funman | should be the A |
| 01:20:14 | funman | where did you find these files ? |
| 01:20:45 | linuxstb | http://mp3support.sandisk.com/firmware/clip/clip01.01.29a.zip−−00:20:38 |
| 01:21:02 | linuxstb | Oops, ignore that "−−00:20:38" at the end |
| 01:21:16 | funman | does the md5sum match ? |
| 01:22:08 | funman | [fun@zod /media/bordel/asm]% strings m300.bin|grep V01 |
| 01:22:08 | funman | V01.01.29A |
| 01:22:15 | linuxstb | I downloaded the a, e and f files, and they all have the same md5sum - c12711342169c66e209540cd1f27cd26 |
| 01:22:38 | funman | hm .. |
| 01:23:07 | advcomp2019 | linuxstb, they are the small.. it is just a region code that can be changed |
| 01:24:45 | linuxstb | funman: I get the same V01.01.29A in my file... |
| 01:24:59 | funman | linuxstb: oops sorry |
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| 01:25:09 | funman | it's the v29 but with my custom diffs |
| 01:25:24 | funman | s/Musique/Muzik/ and checksum corrected ;) |
| 01:25:35 | linuxstb | Ah, OK. I'll commit the change (good for my commit count) |
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| 01:40:33 | JdGordon | "[09:44:05] <linuxstb> Because there is no such thing as "e200v2", "c200v2", it's just something Bagder invented ;)" my e200v2 actually has that printed on the back of it.. |
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| 01:41:36 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Yes, I've just read that on the Sandisk forums as well, when looking for firmware downloads... So it's really just the m200 that causes problems, as there are now v1, v2, v3 (TCC) and v4 (AMS) |
| 01:44:45 | JdGordon | well, ideally sansapatcher should be modified to install the right version and to let the user know which one they have |
| 01:45:10 | linuxstb | No, sansapatcher can't do it. The installation is different. |
| 01:45:10 | Slack_ | what program do you use to add and remove music to your rockbox ipod |
| 01:45:27 | Shaid | cp and mv and rf |
| 01:46:14 | JdGordon | linuxstb: it could, if it detects a ams target it says so and runs mkamsboot instead |
| 01:46:36 | JdGordon | Shaid: rsync is easier |
| 01:46:50 | Shaid | ... |
| 01:46:52 | Shaid | there's an idea! |
| 01:47:50 | linuxstb | JdGordon: sansapatcher detects targets based on their partition layout, and then magic strings within that partition. AMS targets just have a single partition, and afaik, no magic. mkamsboot also requires a copy of the OF to patch. |
| 01:48:20 | linuxstb | But rbutil should do the autodetection - the command-line tools are for people who at least know what device they own... |
| 01:48:59 | JdGordon | right, ok, but sansapatcher isnt for all sansas anymore so something shuold change to fix that |
| 01:49:08 | JdGordon | not everyone is goig to use rbutil |
| 01:50:56 | * | amiconn seems to have triggered multiple useless rebuilds o.O |
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| 01:53:25 | funman | hey fdinel ! |
| 01:53:57 | fdinel | hey how are you? :) |
| 01:54:19 | funman | I see the life in hexadecimal at this hour .. and you ? |
| 01:54:40 | fdinel | haha |
| 01:54:50 | fdinel | I see life in coughs and colds :/ |
| 01:55:02 | fdinel | overworked I guess :) |
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| 01:55:12 | funman | oops |
| 01:55:22 | funman | will you take off days to recover ? (and work on the clip!) |
| 01:55:58 | fdinel | haha I don't think so, but almost at weekend by now so... :P |
| 01:56:55 | funman | today I looked at the functions messing with i2c, sitting between the reset vector and the SD/nand initialisation : nothing interesting |
| 01:57:36 | fdinel | damn :D I messed a lot with SD about 2-3 days ago, nothing on my side neither :/ |
| 01:57:54 | funman | I was told the code works on e200, nothing else required |
| 01:58:15 | fdinel | which code? SD? |
| 01:58:19 | funman | yep |
| 01:58:39 | fdinel | it works"/$%? |
| 01:59:06 | fdinel | grmbl does it work for both the microsd and the embedded NAND? |
| 01:59:31 | funman | http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20081029#20:49:14 |
| 01:59:38 | funman | he tested only nand |
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| 02:00:09 | kugel | linuxstb: hmm, what do you mean with the m200 and fuze have the same id in the firmware? |
| 02:01:15 | kugel | the fuze has has the id 17 (or something around) and the m200 25 |
| 02:02:40 | funman | there is a m200 firmware with id 17 |
| 02:02:55 | linuxstb | The Fuze has 0x1e, and v4.0.45 of the m200 firmware also has 0x1e |
| 02:04:03 | fdinel | well keep up the good work guys, with that I'm off trying to rescue myself :P |
| 02:04:10 | kugel | oh, the firmware wiki page reads 25 for m200 |
| 02:04:39 | linuxstb | Yes, most versions of the m200 are 0x25 |
| 02:05:01 | kugel | btw: amsinfo gives 0x67 for the 1.01.15 fuze fw |
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| 03:03:00 | funman | in fact it seems the clock divider used for PL180 is very low .. (64MHz / 20MHz) |
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| 04:17:18 | scar | hey i have a sansa e280 with rockbox 3.0. when i record something and the backlight is on, there is feedback. as soon as the backlight goes off the feedback stops. you think that's a problem with the sansa? |
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| 04:17:56 | saratoga | scar: no they all do that |
| 04:18:34 | scar | no way to fix it? |
| 04:22:39 | saratoga | no |
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| 04:27:42 | tkooda | horribly "filed" bug report by me in case anyone cares: rockbox 3.0 locks up and requires a reboot when it encounters an mp3 file with zero bytes in it |
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| 04:29:18 | scar | saratoga: i guess the best i could do would be to set the backlight timeout as low as possible? |
| 04:30:17 | saratoga | scar: I don't think the noise depends on back light, but i never looked at it carefully |
| 04:31:16 | scar | it seems like it... i tested to see right when the light goes off and that is when the loud ringing feedback stops in the recording.... then, when i go to stop the recording and the backlight comes back on, the feedback comes back |
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| 04:36:13 | cool_walking_ | It seems so. |
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| 04:48:16 | Llorean | saratoga: They're supposed to be able. |
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| 06:31:22 | zeleftikam | i am running Rockbox version 18125 on my Sansa C200 |
| 06:31:36 | zeleftikam | is there any good reason to upgrade to 18932 right now |
| 06:32:01 | JdGordon | well... it will be harder to upgrade to 18932 later? |
| 06:32:14 | zeleftikam | why would that be |
| 06:32:50 | scorche | zeleftikam: it is up to you, really.. |
| 06:32:51 | JdGordon | because (assuming 18932 is the current build) as soon as someone does another commit you will have to compile it yourself to get 18932 |
| 06:33:12 | zeleftikam | ah. forget about that ;-) |
| 06:33:43 | zeleftikam | i don't know how to compile, and anyway, i downloaded the 18932 from the site, and the folder that resulted was empty |
| 06:33:48 | zeleftikam | i dunno what's going on with that |
| 06:34:35 | scorche | i take it that you are on OSX? |
| 06:34:52 | zeleftikam | yes sir. some problem with invisible files or something? |
| 06:35:08 | scorche | no...OSX just doesnt show folders that begin with a "." |
| 06:35:22 | zeleftikam | oh, a problem with invisible files. |
| 06:37:08 | zeleftikam | anyway, i just wanted to check with you folks to see if there was some incredible feature addition with the more recent version or something like that but i assume that i'm not missing much and that if it's not broken i shouldn't try to break it some more |
| 06:37:46 | scorche | we have the MajorChanges wiki page and the commit log so you can see what might have happened in between the versions |
| 06:38:46 | zeleftikam | i wonder if USB mounting/charging works better now |
| 06:39:03 | zeleftikam | i find that i have to fiddle with the player quite a bit to get it to mount itself on my system |
| 06:39:36 | zeleftikam | i have to remove the external memory card, turn it off, plug it into USB, turn it on, and then insert the external memory card once the internal memory has mounted as a volume, otherwise nothing will mount |
| 06:39:39 | scorche | that isnt our bit...currently, you need to boot into sansa's firmware for that |
| 06:39:55 | zeleftikam | yeah, i notice that it does boot into sansa firmware whenever i have the usb plugged in |
| 06:40:19 | zeleftikam | and of course does this lengthy, boring "refreshing database" thing every time i turn it on or turn it off after being connected to usb |
| 06:40:45 | scorche | yup...still isnt our bit |
| 06:40:53 | zeleftikam | :-) |
| 06:41:04 | zeleftikam | rockbox is amazing anyway |
| 06:41:15 | zeleftikam | <3! thanks for the advice this evening |
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| 09:35:14 | JdGordon | can I persuade anyone to comment on the dev-ml thread re the menu? |
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| 09:35:57 | * | B4gder honestly doesn't care very much ;-) |
| 09:36:29 | BigBambi | JdGordon: Only one thing (can't e-mail now) - I wouldn't call FM a minor feature |
| 09:36:45 | BigBambi | I know people that use it much more then listening to MP3s or whatever |
| 09:37:08 | JdGordon | it is unquiestionably low priority with the devs though |
| 09:37:09 | * | Llorean absolutely depended on FM during the hurricane. |
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| 09:37:23 | BigBambi | JdGordon: That isn't the same thing though |
| 09:37:39 | Llorean | I think that FM, DA Playback, and Recording should all be considered "equal priority" in terms of access to the feature itself. |
| 09:37:46 | BigBambi | Exactly |
| 09:37:48 | Llorean | Each is a "core use" of the device. |
| 09:37:57 | BigBambi | If we are talking in menu terms, it is just as important |
| 09:37:59 | JdGordon | sure, but fm is at the bottom of those 3 |
| 09:38:06 | BigBambi | For you |
| 09:38:40 | JdGordon | if there was someone who really thought fm was the most important they would come along and patch that part up... |
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| 09:38:58 | JdGordon | and there would be more calls to customize the screen from users |
| 09:39:28 | Llorean | Unless they're satisfied with how it works. |
| 09:39:43 | BigBambi | We aren't talking about the dev side of it though |
| 09:40:20 | * | Llorean also agrees that having "Sound settings" under an option named "Playlist" seems pretty silly |
| 09:40:25 | * | JdGordon remembers saying fm is minor, but cant find where he said it |
| 09:40:29 | BigBambi | It works well enough for me not to try and improve it, so I'd still like it not to be hidden away somewhere in the menus (exaggeration) |
| 09:40:44 | JdGordon | Llorean: please come up with a better word.. ive tried and I agree thats bad |
| 09:41:03 | Llorean | JdGordon: "Playback options" |
| 09:41:19 | Llorean | But "Sound Settings" tend to apply to more than just playback so it's still dubious. |
| 09:41:34 | Llorean | I also don't get why "Time & Date" qualifies as top-level, rather than beneath "Info" |
| 09:41:47 | JdGordon | playback options could work |
| 09:42:21 | JdGordon | t&d could go either, i think i started with it under info |
| 09:42:23 | Llorean | Honestly, just looking at your menu structure, it seems like it'd take longer to learn and use. |
| 09:42:38 | Llorean | If I'm reading it properly, there's some duplication? |
| 09:42:48 | JdGordon | no duplication |
| 09:42:59 | Llorean | Well, you have "Sound Settings" under playback, and under Settings. |
| 09:43:14 | Llorean | And both have "balance" at least. |
| 09:43:15 | JdGordon | the text can be changed... |
| 09:43:28 | JdGordon | and thats a oversight |
| 09:43:49 | Llorean | It's also just odd that all the "enables" are completely differently located than all the tweaks. |
| 09:44:06 | Llorean | I'd have "Enable Crossfeed", "Crossfeed Settings (with submenu)", "Enable Crossfade", "Crossfade Settings" |
| 09:44:22 | Llorean | You get twice as many in the list, but you at least always see that there are more settings to it than just "on/off" immediately |
| 09:44:44 | JdGordon | The idea of that top sound settings group is fast access to setting which change the output and are changed semi frequently |
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| 09:45:28 | * | linuxstb repeats his suggestion to put everything under a single (e.g. "Crossfeed") option, with an inline "Enable/Disable" option, so everything is together |
| 09:45:29 | JdGordon | im inclined to move those enable options down to with their ssettings though |
| 09:45:38 | Llorean | As was pointed out by pondlife, though, some people may just frequently change one of the subsettings rather than the enable/disable |
| 09:45:49 | Llorean | And I don't see a fast method to load EQ presets there, or whatever. |
| 09:46:18 | Llorean | If you want people to save presets, you should have a "Save sound settings" option in the longer menu, and a "Load sound settings" option in the "fast" menu for people to easily pop between audio presets. |
| 09:46:40 | Llorean | linuxstb: That's basically just a streamlining of what I think is good, so I like that too. |
| 09:51:16 | pixelma | that's almost the same situation as with "Stereo width" and "Channel configuration" where it was noted that having an enable option in a different place is confusing. In this example the name of theoption also doesn't give a hint if you don't know about it, so it's even worse... |
| 09:51:59 | JdGordon | stereo width seems to have gone awol |
| 09:52:26 | pixelma | sorry what? |
| 09:52:37 | JdGordon | its not in my layout... |
| 09:52:44 | * | JdGordon adds it next to channel config |
| 09:53:45 | JdGordon | ok, youve all got mail :p |
| 09:55:29 | JdGordon | "playback options" at the top level still isnt perfect.. it doesnt really take in the playlist options |
| 09:55:45 | JdGordon | view/save/create playlist |
| 09:56:50 | * | JdGordon wishes plugins could use the lang stuff... so many useful ideas that arnt really needed |
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| 10:00:52 | JdGordon | how cool would it be to be able to choose a config from the quickscreen! |
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| 10:06:29 | * | Llorean once suggested replacing the quickscreen with an alternate "browse .cfg files" that used a separate folder for keeping favorite configs. |
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| 10:08:49 | JdGordon | that does partial defeat the purpose of the screen though |
| 10:09:09 | JdGordon | although not really with the current options |
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| 10:21:00 | robin0800 | sudo CPPFLAGS="-U_FORTIFY_SOURCE" ./rockboxdev.sh this is still needed to make the build enviroment in linux |
| 10:22:14 | B4gder | I like how every ubuntu 8.10 user seems to have their own set of build problems |
| 10:22:35 | JdGordon | arg... the lang id of the aviable settings isnt always unique :( |
| 10:22:51 | JdGordon | actually, I tihnk its only the EQ settings which arnt uniqu |
| 10:22:52 | JdGordon | e |
| 10:24:52 | B4gder | robin0800: what fails if you don't pass that -U ? |
| 10:26:12 | robin0800 | It dors not make and errors out posted an example last night |
| 10:27:31 | GodEater | B4gder: I agree, the commit you made yesterday doesn't allow gcc to compile sadly |
| 10:27:49 | amiconn | Zagor: Did you find my comment in the log? |
| 10:27:54 | B4gder | no, I think funman's sprintf() and open() tricks are necessary too |
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| 10:28:25 | robin0800 | You also don't see any -U_FORTIFY_SOURCE in the display |
| 10:28:25 | B4gder | ah the open is for gcc |
| 10:28:27 | * | linuxstb tries robin0800's sudo command, and gets "sudo: CPPFLAGS=-U_FORTIFY_SOURCE: command not found" |
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| 10:28:50 | B4gder | robin0800: how would that be seen? |
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| 10:29:45 | Zagor | amiconn: no. link? |
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| 10:30:19 | robin0800 | B4gder: it is seen as the output of the script on the screen outside it does but inside it dosent |
| 10:30:57 | amiconn | Zagor: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20081029#17:10:24 |
| 10:31:06 | B4gder | but the -U thing is no output, it is just an assigned environment variable |
| 10:31:22 | B4gder | I don't see why that would be visible in the output |
| 10:31:51 | Zagor | amiconn: ok, checking. |
| 10:32:32 | amiconn | Zagor: Just build rockbox, then 'touch apps/bitmaps/native/<rockboxlogo_for_that_target>.bmp', then 'make' again |
| 10:32:32 | Zagor | it is, of course, since we don't create dependencies for the bitmaps |
| 10:32:39 | amiconn | -> nothing is rebuilt |
| 10:33:23 | amiconn | Same happens with codecs when only the codeclib changes, with plugins if only the pluginlib changes, with the self-extracting .ajz if only firmware/decompressor/ changes, ... |
| 10:33:26 | amiconn | Annoying... |
| 10:33:51 | Zagor | indeed. I'll see if I can fix it. |
| 10:33:53 | robin0800 | B4gder: here it is http://paste.ubuntu.com/64518/ |
| 10:34:38 | amiconn | Thoe old method didn't have this problem for the bitmaps, at the price that the bitmaps were tried to build twice |
| 10:34:50 | Zagor | :-) |
| 10:35:03 | Zagor | the old method was comparable to "make clean; make" |
| 10:35:41 | B4gder | robin0800: that's what? |
| 10:36:51 | robin0800 | Part of the display showing the -U_FORTIFY_SOURCE |
| 10:37:52 | robin0800 | You need to scroll to see it |
| 10:37:56 | B4gder | and just using the svn rockboxdev.sh doesn't show you that you say? |
| 10:38:15 | robin0800 | B4gder: Correct |
| 10:38:36 | B4gder | odd |
| 10:40:04 | robin0800 | Yes but if it is there the make is sucesesful |
| 10:42:18 | linuxstb | Shouldn't the -U_FORTIFY_SOURCE be passed to make, as well as (or instead of) configure? Or does the configure script definitely incorporate it? |
| 10:43:19 | Zagor | didn't funman post a patch for open() to avoid using fortify? |
| 10:45:44 | pixelma | Zagor: btw... (though I lost focus somewhen in the evening yesterday) but domonoky noticed that simulator builds are broken since 18920 (the fix in 18922 did not help here and the error is only similar not the same) http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20081029#21:21:51 |
| 10:45:56 | pixelma | in cygwin that is |
| 10:46:08 | Zagor | aha, cygwin isn't tested |
| 10:46:23 | robin0800 | Zagor: yes I think he did but its difuculct to apply as you have to pause the script |
| 10:46:35 | B4gder | you don't... |
| 10:47:00 | B4gder | rockboxdev.sh already features a patch system so those patches can just be incorporated like that |
| 10:47:45 | B4gder | which reminds me |
| 10:47:47 | robin0800 | B4gder: Thats what he told me see last nights log I asked Him how to apply them |
| 10:47:59 | B4gder | I would like our patches to be in a subdir rather than on rockbox.org |
| 10:48:15 | B4gder | robin0800: yes, but that's not how it has to be done |
| 10:48:25 | B4gder | only how he did it |
| 10:50:18 | robin0800 | B4gder: I don't Know another method he said you can't apply patches until the script has downloaded the files |
| 10:50:54 | B4gder | I know |
| 10:50:57 | B4gder | and I tell you how it is |
| 10:58:21 | Zagor | B4gder: hmm? they are already in a subdir. |
| 10:58:56 | B4gder | yes, but of the source tree I mean |
| 10:59:03 | B4gder | so that rockboxdev.sh would just get them locally |
| 10:59:12 | Zagor | in svn? |
| 10:59:40 | B4gder | the current script downloads the correct patch(es) from http://www.rockbox.org/gcc/* |
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| 11:00:37 | Zagor | yes. and you'd rather have them where? |
| 11:00:43 | B4gder | while I would prefer it to just copy them from tools/build-patches or similar |
| 11:01:25 | Zagor | I'm not so fond of the idea of putting gcc patches in svn |
| 11:01:46 | B4gder | why not? |
| 11:01:53 | B4gder | they already are in the www svn |
| 11:02:11 | Zagor | good point... |
| 11:02:49 | Zagor | my gut complaint is that they are not code we work on. they are static files, which should be served by apache rather than svn. |
| 11:02:58 | Zagor | otoh it's not a big issue for me |
| 11:03:24 | B4gder | I just don't like how it raises to bar to what committers can change |
| 11:03:25 | linuxstb | rockboxdev.sh itself is in svn though... |
| 11:03:30 | B4gder | s/to/the |
| 11:03:32 | Llorean | Well the patches *are* code we work on, in a way? Our devs wrote them (and will update them if our GCC needs change) right? |
| 11:04:14 | Zagor | yeah. I'm ok with moving them. |
| 11:04:47 | B4gder | it does require some modified magic in the script though |
| 11:07:43 | linuxstb | Does anyone have any comments on this patch to create an API to access the as3514? It just implements it for portalplayer targets, but the intention is to implement it for as3525 as well. http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ascodec.diff |
| 11:15:21 | J-23 | hmm, shouldn't it be possible to make GPIO pin state monitor for v2's? I know I asked yesterday, but I didn't understand funman's answer |
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| 11:21:42 | linuxstb | "problem is if there is a keyscan routine like in other models it will be useless" <−− it means that you need to toggle some GPIO pins in order to get input on others, so it's not simply a matter of reading all the pins and displaying their values, you need to write specific code to do it. |
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| 11:35:45 | JdGordon | working on the assumption that english.lang will always be the base language... is there really a need for it to have a source and dest entry? |
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| 11:52:22 | * | JdGordon points everyone to FS #9515 |
| 11:56:03 | linuxstb | JdGordon: How are settings identified? WIth their index in the settings array? |
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| 12:03:28 | pixelma | JdGordon: I _guess_ the <dest> part in english.lang is used for untranslated strings in another set language and maybe it makes genlang's job easier |
| 12:04:22 | rasher | JdGordon: What would we gain by not having them? As pixelma, it makes things a lot easier, that all langs are created equal |
| 12:04:31 | rasher | As pixelma says* |
| 12:04:38 | linuxstb | rasher: Not having the same thing written twice? |
| 12:04:59 | rasher | Is it a problem to have that? |
| 12:05:25 | linuxstb | Not really, but it's never ideal to duplicate things. |
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| 12:36:37 | JdGordon | rasher: yeah, not having to add things twice, but meh new ones dont get added often |
| 12:36:53 | JdGordon | linuxstb: yeah, to save space it stores the index, which shouldnt change very often |
| 12:37:12 | JdGordon | the actual config name would be better but not by much |
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| 12:42:40 | linuxstb | JdGordon: I think the config names would seem better - apart from being more permanent, it means a user could more easily add them manually to the .cfg file. |
| 12:43:04 | * | linuxstb won't argue against a customisable quickscreen |
| 12:43:16 | JdGordon | yeah, but thats 4 more strings in global_settings |
| 12:44:02 | linuxstb | Couldn't the ID number be used in RAM, and the string used when reading/writing the .cfg file? |
| 12:44:04 | JdGordon | hmm.. yeah, probably worth it |
| 12:44:29 | JdGordon | without adding more special case code, no i dont think so |
| 12:46:26 | linuxstb | Do we have a sensible limit on the length of the config names? |
| 12:46:33 | LinusN | i think it should store the config names |
| 12:46:35 | * | rasher wants to add the quickscreen configuration to the quickscreen |
| 12:47:52 | linuxstb | rasher: Only if that's an option, configurable in the quickscreen |
| 12:47:56 | JdGordon | rasher: that could actually be added.... but for the moment those settings are banned in the screen |
| 12:48:57 | JdGordon | linuxstb: "playlist catalog directory" is probably about as long as they get |
| 12:49:09 | rasher | JdGordon: I was just joking. Why ban it though? Seems people should be able to avoid it without a ban |
| 12:49:21 | JdGordon | "remote backlight on button hold" |
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| 12:50:20 | JdGordon | rasher: its banned because it makes things difficult... thats also why not every setting is legal, they can be added later though once its all working properly |
| 12:51:52 | JdGordon | 35 chars is the longest current setting |
| 12:56:45 | linuxstb | JdGordon: BTW, is there any difference between this patch and the one that was reverted? |
| 12:57:32 | JdGordon | the one reverted was reverted because the quickscreen drawing was completly fubar, and it was only configurable in the .cfg file |
| 12:57:43 | JdGordon | so yeah, entirely new |
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| 13:02:33 | jhMikeS | Bagder: I saw the comment about 'Björn'. What is it supposed to be? |
| 13:03:06 | pixelma | I so often forget about the quickscreen's existence at all and when accidentally entering it I often change some settings unintentionally until I find out how to leave it :\ I would need it customisable even less |
| 13:03:15 | B4gder | I just noticed his 'r' got removed in some of the source headers |
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| 13:07:35 | jhMikeS | B4gder: I see "Björn" in them. But I use ANSI for source files. |
| 13:08:06 | * | gevaerts wouldn't object to removing the quickscreen actually |
| 13:08:09 | B4gder | ah, it might be that I just read some damaged version in mail. I'll retract my comment and check myself later on! |
| 13:11:16 | J-23 | did you consider switching from SVN to Git? |
| 13:12:01 | * | pixelma oh noes |
| 13:12:02 | rasher | Plenty of times. It doesn't really offer us anything we need. |
| 13:12:14 | J-23 | cool :) |
| 13:12:14 | rasher | You can use git-svn if you want to use git locally |
| 13:12:44 | * | J-23 doesn't like Git, because it's veery slow for him |
| 13:12:55 | B4gder | git slow? |
| 13:13:01 | B4gder | then what's not? |
| 13:13:25 | J-23 | SVN/CVS. |
| 13:13:45 | J-23 | maybe git is throttled by my ISP |
| 13:19:46 | flux | j-23, once you've done the initial transfer, how slow can it be? |
| 13:19:56 | J-23 | 1kbps |
| 13:20:14 | flux | whine to your isp for providing substandard service :) |
| 13:20:24 | J-23 | hmm, it looks strange. |
| 13:20:27 | JdGordon | pixelma: gevaerts: 100% agree with you both |
| 13:20:53 | J-23 | starts with few hundred KBps, then 1KBps for several seconds/few minutes, then again few hunders KBps |
| 13:20:57 | flux | j-23, does git-over-http also do that? |
| 13:20:59 | J-23 | hundred* |
| 13:22:19 | J-23 | flux: probably yes, and I don't understand that, because e.g. downloading CD/DVD images can reach 8MBps |
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| 13:23:00 | * | B4gder knows that http part of git isn't that slow |
| 13:23:11 | B4gder | add a 'the' somewhere |
| 13:23:33 | Zagor | is anyone on cygwin here who can help me test? |
| 13:24:19 | * | pixelma is |
| 13:24:48 | Zagor | pixelma: and you still get the rockboxlogo.h error? |
| 13:26:11 | pixelma | got it on r18926 - did you commit something just now? |
| 13:26:34 | Zagor | no. I have a patch for you to test though. |
| 13:27:04 | pixelma | weirdly enough it only happens while building a sim not target. Sure I'll try a patch |
| 13:27:39 | Zagor | pixelma: http://paste.ubuntu.com/64584/plain/ |
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| 13:31:36 | pixelma | hmm... one hunk failed |
| 13:32:37 | Zagor | well it's only 8 simple changes, check them by eye. |
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| 13:37:54 | pixelma | ok, starting to compile now (after a "make clean" and reconfigure), might take a bit :) |
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| 13:40:22 | pixelma | still no go: make[1]: *** No rule to make target `rockboxlogo.h', needed by `/home/Marianne/rockbox/2_sims/c200/apps/bookmark.o'. Stop. |
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| 13:41:24 | Zagor | hmm |
| 13:46:06 | Zagor | is the cygwin build not performing the same dependency generation as the native build? |
| 13:46:47 | B4gder | it does |
| 13:46:49 | funman | pixelma: which version of make do you have ? |
| 13:47:00 | funman | make -v will tell you |
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| 13:47:22 | pixelma | GNU Make 3.81 |
| 13:48:07 | funman | make -d can print debug (but I don't know how to read it) |
| 13:48:38 | B4gder | -d is often totally useless |
| 13:49:48 | funman | maybe echo can show the content of make variables ? (to check the required files are there) |
| 13:49:48 | Zagor | −−debug=b could be useful |
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| 13:50:37 | pixelma | so "make −−debug=b" ? |
| 13:50:43 | Zagor | yes |
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| 13:55:00 | funman | hum .. I have a data abort in add_to_list_l(), which is referenced by core_schedule_wakeup() and check_tmo_threads() |
| 13:55:15 | funman | but these functions should not have been called at all .. |
| 13:55:39 | pixelma | Zagor: http://pastebin.ca/1240556 |
| 13:57:49 | pixelma | also, I don't think it matters (because target builds work correctly) but thought I should mention that I build outside the source tree (you can't see it from the path but the source is inside a "trunk" subdirectory of my "rockbox" one, worked nicely so far) |
| 13:59:51 | Zagor | so /home/Marianne/rockbox/ is not your repository root? |
| 13:59:59 | pixelma | and another thing I just tried is building crosscompiled windows sims in linux, all looks fine there |
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| 14:01:35 | pixelma | the Rockbox source is in /home/Marianne/rockbox/trunk |
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| 14:02:17 | Zagor | can you try making a /home/Marianne/rockbox/trunk/simbuild dir and build from there? just to rule out that possibility. |
| 14:03:18 | pixelma | yeah, was about to |
| 14:06:33 | pixelma | that gives me the same error |
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| 14:10:25 | Zagor | now I managed to force the same error, by deleting the 'bitmaps' directory |
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| 14:13:16 | Zagor | pixelma: do you even have a 'bitmaps' dir in your build dir? |
| 14:15:28 | pixelma | yes, just looked. It contains 3 .h files (even rockboxlogo.h) - the bmp files are also already listed during compiling (right before it errors out) |
| 14:16:30 | Zagor | I wonder why your make doesn't show any path for rockboxlogo.h. it should. |
| 14:18:15 | Zagor | please run "grep rockboxlogo.h apps/dep-apps" |
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| 14:20:37 | kugel | JdGordon: Hey, I just saw FS #9514 |
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| 14:21:02 | kugel | I did the same in my custom list patch, but you've done it a bit differently |
| 14:21:18 | JdGordon | ok |
| 14:21:31 | cdynasty | am i allowed to ask questions on here |
| 14:21:42 | JdGordon | you just did! |
| 14:21:54 | cdynasty | lol |
| 14:22:01 | Zagor | cdynasty: as long as they are related to rockbox, go ahead |
| 14:22:05 | cdynasty | alright |
| 14:22:09 | kugel | in your patch the parent isn't part of the simple list struct (in my it is). is there a reason for that? |
| 14:23:36 | JdGordon | i did that patch months ago.. i only put it up now because it was stripped from another patch which doesnt need it anymore... i dont remember... probably because simple list struct is a sort of wrapper for the real list so the parent should be passed directly to the real list |
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| 14:23:43 | cdynasty | i have a sansa e200. in the wps i want to be able to press a button to jump to the file in the database |
| 14:23:51 | pixelma | Zagor: http://pastebin.ca/1240573 |
| 14:24:26 | cdynasty | like when i start up my player, i have to go find my spot in the database again |
| 14:24:38 | Zagor | pixelma: as I suspected. there is a difference between dependencies for cygwin and linux. rockboxlogo.h must have a path. |
| 14:25:17 | cdynasty | like how ipods work with the menu button from the playing screen |
| 14:25:49 | cdynasty | i might not be making sense here |
| 14:26:44 | kugel | well, the parent is passed to the real list, but I think it could be beneficial if the simple list also about infos about the parent. That way the parent could be easily changed too (simplelist.parent.height for example) |
| 14:28:17 | cdynasty | no one have that same problem? |
| 14:28:33 | JdGordon | kugel: no, your missing the point of simplelist... its supposed to be used to handle a list simply.. there is absolutly no need for the simplelist to ever know where its drawing in, that should only be handled by the actual list drawing code |
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| 14:32:23 | kugel | well, it doesn't matter imho if I a) init the simplelist with a parent and show it without passing the parent, or b) init without parent and show with passing a parent. In both cases I need to pass the parent only once |
| 14:33:27 | JdGordon | there is no need to add it to the simple list struct... NONE... its just a waste of space... |
| 14:34:27 | * | JdGordon jabs his linuxstb voodoo doll a few times... this code to make it read/write the config name but store as a int is taking too long to get working |
| 14:34:52 | linuxstb | JdGordon: I thought you said that would be too complicated? |
| 14:35:07 | linuxstb | Or rather, require special-case code? |
| 14:35:16 | JdGordon | yeah, but i dont listen to myself :p |
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| 14:43:05 | funman | does rockbox assume 8kB of stack ought to be enough for everybody ? ( ". += 0x2000" in the linker script) |
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| 14:44:10 | Zagor | funman: rockbox thinks that if you need more than 8kb of stack you should be doing things differently :-) |
| 14:44:20 | LinusN | cdynasty: as far as i know, rockbox can't follow the playlist in database mode |
| 14:45:10 | funman | Zagor: I can't explain the errors I encounter now, so I was just looking for a potential problem in the lds file |
| 14:45:27 | Zagor | pixelma: another thing, can you measure the time difference (if any) of adding "-pipe" to GCCOPTS in Makefile in your build dir? |
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| 14:51:06 | Zagor | pixelma: also, please paste your entire dep-apps somewhere |
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| 15:12:37 | pixelma | Zagor: do you mean dep-apps from the failing simbuild dir? How should I test the GCCOPTS changes (with the sim build, with or without reconfigure etc.)? |
| 15:13:02 | Zagor | yes I mean the dep-apps you previously ran grep on |
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| 15:13:34 | Zagor | GCCOPTS is a variable set by your "root" Makefile. i.e. the one configure makes in your build dir. edit it manually, don't rerun configure. |
| 15:14:13 | * | Zagor fumes at data-filled .h files in apps/plugins |
| 15:15:21 | pixelma | ok, dep-apps http://pastebin.ca/1240597 |
| 15:19:18 | PaulJam | Hmm, has it always been the case, that in the quick menu UP and DOWN have the same function? i would have expected that UP changes the option in one direction and DOWN in the other direction. |
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| 15:21:09 | pixelma | yes, this has always been the case (except I think there are targets where "up" exits the quick screen. I find it confusing if there were differences depending on direction because this won't happen with left and right... |
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| 15:21:36 | LinusN | i think UP should do nothing, since there is no setting associated with UP |
| 15:22:32 | pixelma | me too (though I don't care about the quickscreen much) |
| 15:23:08 | LinusN | so i've heard :-) |
| 15:23:50 | pixelma | well the Ondio doesn't have it... ;) |
| 15:24:32 | gevaerts | I think the quickscreen is responsible for some of the most frequent support issues |
| 15:24:53 | amiconn | UP being assigned to the same function as DOWN is done to provide access to the function on DOWN for recorders when using the (still unfixed) quick way of operating the quickscreen, and display is flipped |
| 15:26:45 | PaulJam | thanks for the information. |
| 15:26:55 | amiconn | The quickscreen doesn't really deserve its name in curent rockbox :/ |
| 15:27:52 | funman | the Clip OF doesn't follow the as3525 clocks requirement mentioned in the datasheet .. |
| 15:30:24 | pixelma | Zagor: compiling with the -pipe seems to be a tiny bit faster here (1:59 <> 2:07 until failure) - if I did it correctly... |
| 15:30:46 | Zagor | ok. thanks. |
| 15:31:32 | pixelma | shall I try a target build that doesn't fail to get a better value? |
| 15:35:19 | Zagor | yes, that would be interesting |
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| 15:38:40 | pixelma | first test build running, expect results in 20-30 minutes or so ;) |
| 15:39:35 | Zagor | yikes |
| 15:40:06 | pixelma | that would be after building both for comparison |
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| 15:43:23 | pixelma | and with a full blown swcodec build (including most of the subdir rocks that take really long) |
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| 15:51:52 | funman | the lcd_init() for the Clip doesn't work when using high CPU and/or peripheral clock frequencies |
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| 16:00:46 | Sansa | hello |
| 16:01:24 | Sansa | can someone help me with a problem i have |
| 16:01:40 | funman | ah no it's the sdram init .. |
| 16:01:47 | n1s | Sansa: if you tell us what the problem is, we might |
| 16:02:13 | Sansa | i installed rockbox on my sansa e270 v1.0 |
| 16:02:36 | Sansa | and when i connect in rockbox boot mode, it says "usb device not recognized" |
| 16:02:49 | Sansa | when i boot in native sansa mode, it is easily recognized |
| 16:02:50 | Zagor | oh crapola. gcc 4.0.3 and 4.3.2 creates different dependencies :-( |
| 16:03:50 | pixelma | Zagor: interesting, I see no difference with -pipe in a c200 target build (11:32 <> 11:31) |
| 16:04:21 | Zagor | pixelma: I actually expected that, since we don't use much multi-pass compiling |
| 16:04:22 | pixelma | that one second is probably meaningless... |
| 16:04:34 | Zagor | but it's always good to try |
| 16:05:26 | pixelma | also, the numbers mean minutes ;) glad I could be of help |
| 16:05:45 | funman | Sansa: rockbox doesn't support usb on the sansa, you have to use the original sansa firmware mode |
| 16:06:28 | Sansa | aha that's what that warning triangle sign meant, it was a bit confusing |
| 16:06:48 | Sansa | thank you for clarifying that funman |
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| 16:12:45 | Sansa | I have another quick question. The sansa video player seems to read .mov type videos. However, these are not seen in rockbox, because it can only read .mpg type videos? Is there a workaround to this? |
| 16:13:36 | n1s | Sansa: convert them... |
| 16:14:40 | Sansa | Haha I'm not trying to play dumb. I had to convert them in .mov format in the first place. I meant is there a way to be able to play them in both boot modes or not, using only one instance of the video file |
| 16:15:06 | Hillshum | no |
| 16:15:41 | Sansa | Thank you for your answer |
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| 16:19:03 | Sansa | Thanks to all you guys helping develop this product. Keep up the good work. Peace. |
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| 16:40:25 | webguest05 | Hello |
| 16:40:31 | webguest05 | Hello |
| 16:40:38 | linuxstb | Hi |
| 16:41:07 | webguest05 | Oh hi there |
| 16:41:23 | webguest05 | If you may |
| 16:41:36 | webguest05 | I have one very quick question please |
| 16:42:03 | linuxstb | Just ask - no need to ask to ask |
| 16:42:04 | domonoky | just ask (if it is rocbox related) |
| 16:42:23 | webguest05 | Would you know if the sansadisk fuze is compatible with rockbox? |
| 16:42:45 | webguest05 | They say it is a direct follow up to the sansa e260 |
| 16:42:53 | linuxstb | No, it's not (yet). |
| 16:43:00 | webguest05 | that is of the e200 series ... |
| 16:43:15 | webguest05 | really! so it has a different build then? |
| 16:43:21 | domonoky | people are working on it, but its not ready.. |
| 16:43:39 | webguest05 | I see |
| 16:43:47 | linuxstb | It has completely different hardware. So people are slowly doing all the work shown on this page - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort |
| 16:44:07 | webguest05 | I am asking because I was willing to by a cheap multimedia player |
| 16:44:20 | webguest05 | just for the sake of rockbox |
| 16:44:52 | webguest05 | That's because I would like to develop apps |
| 16:45:15 | webguest05 | Thank you so much for the link |
| 16:45:21 | scorche | please dont use the enter key as punctuation...it makes it harder to read... |
| 16:46:00 | linuxstb | webguest05: People are always needed to make new ports happen - they're a lot of work, and are done by interested owners of those devices. |
| 16:46:53 | webguest05 | I know it's a lot of work |
| 16:47:29 | webguest05 | and I am not intrested in making new ports right now |
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| 16:47:56 | webguest05 | scorche: are you trying to pull my strings or something? |
| 16:48:24 | webguest05 | well, thank you so much all |
| 16:48:51 | webguest05 | So, any recomendation for any players? |
| 16:49:07 | webguest05 | that are already supported by rockbox? |
| 16:49:44 | webguest05 | I currently I have the k-pex |
| 16:49:50 | scorche | no, i am just asking nicely that you follow the guidelines of the channel which only serve to help make the channel easier to read and more user friendly rather than type in a manner that makes it harder to read as i said before... |
| 16:49:53 | Zagor | webguest05: older sandisk sansas. see froobi.com |
| 16:49:59 | webguest05 | which was manufactured by kingston |
| 16:50:02 | domonoky | webguest05: take a look at : http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=BuyersGuide |
| 16:50:27 | webguest05 | great player if you ask me ... |
| 16:50:39 | webguest05 | thanks, domonky |
| 16:52:37 | webguest05 | Yup, the e260 seems to fit the bill |
| 16:52:48 | webguest05 | that one goes under the e200 series right? |
| 16:53:01 | funman | yes |
| 16:53:11 | webguest05 | lovely |
| 16:56:26 | funman | I think the only difference between the e2*0 is the memory size |
| 16:57:10 | scorche | well, storage...not memory... |
| 16:57:26 | funman | storage was implicit ;) |
| 16:57:44 | rasher | They don't differ in memory size, then. Only storage. |
| 16:58:07 | webguest05 | also, I think some of the earlier models didn't incorporate an FM radio |
| 16:58:33 | webguest05 | Or so I understood from the chart |
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| 16:59:17 | webguest05 | Wow, it sells for quite cheap at ebay .. |
| 16:59:26 | webguest05 | 40 $?! |
| 16:59:35 | rasher | I thought that was purely a firmware limitation. Did e200s without Radio ever turn up? |
| 16:59:56 | funman | rasher: I think yes, I read something about it on irc |
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| 17:03:15 | webguest05 | anybody who has any pre-knowledge of the Gigabeat F? |
| 17:04:02 | webguest05 | the pricing list seems rather eccentric!!! |
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| 17:04:04 | tkooda | horribly "filed" bug report by me in case anyone cares: rockbox 3.0 locks up and requires a reboot when it encounters an mp3 file with zero bytes in it |
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| 17:04:21 | webguest05 | HDD 2.2inch for just 40 bucks? |
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| 17:04:57 | webguest05 | somebody must have messed up big time .. |
| 17:08:23 | scorche | gigabeats can be cheap.. |
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| 17:22:46 | webguest05 | tchaw! Thanks again. |
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| 17:39:18 | havspace | I have a Sansa c200 series (2gb I believe) that seems to have become corrupted since installing RockBox. |
| 17:39:44 | havspace | I can no longer boot to the original firmware, and so far trying to replace it using the recovery mode is not working. |
| 17:40:25 | havspace | It acts like it has replaced the firmware, but then just won't boot (sits at the generic SanDisk screen with the little "monster" on the right) |
| 17:41:13 | havspace | Is there a way to make sure I'm trying to put the "right" firmware on, or something else to try before going to Manufacturing Mode (I'm stuck in windows only right now) |
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| 17:44:34 | gevaerts | havspace: I think that you'll need manufacturing mode |
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| 17:46:44 | IudeX | hi i saw funman post on forum about clip :( |
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| 19:00:23 | n1s | Bagder: I have a patch for rockboxdev.sh that builds toolchains just fine for me on ubuntu 8.10 without patching gcc or binutils, turns out that binutils 2.19 is a no go with our compiler as ld will not link libs for targets without emac with binaries for targets with emac so it will not link our coldfire builds. |
| 19:00:40 | n1s | should i post it to the tracker/ml or just commit? |
| 19:01:18 | n1s | maybe someone wants to test it? :) |
| 19:01:24 | preglow | n1s: why is there such a target mismatch? |
| 19:02:00 | n1s | preglow: because we build for a coldfire without emac as gcc doesn't know about the one we really have |
| 19:02:16 | n1s | gcc < 4.3 that is |
| 19:03:03 | n1s | preglow: do you know anything about hacking gcc? |
| 19:03:30 | rasher | I think common wisdom is: Don't. |
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| 19:08:51 | n1s | so could anyone preferably not on ubuntu give this a test? |
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| 19:18:10 | kugel | n1s: I need to run rockboxdev.sh soonish, so if I can test something before I will. It's ubuntu though |
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| 19:19:31 | n1s | kugel: here's the patch http://pastebin.ca/1240821 |
| 19:19:50 | Photoguy | Is Kugel here?! |
| 19:19:57 | kugel | yes, he is |
| 19:20:09 | Photoguy | Sweet! |
| 19:20:09 | Photoguy | I love your build! |
| 19:20:15 | scorche | ontopic please... |
| 19:21:07 | kugel | n1s: What does the patch do? |
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| 19:22:02 | IudeX | funman isn't here. Impossible? :D |
| 19:22:07 | n1s | kugel: sets a couple of things in CPPFLAGS that let's cross toolchains build correctly with ubuntu's new crazy defaults |
| 19:22:46 | kugel | so, svn rockboxdev.sh will eventually fail without the patch on my new 8.10? |
| 19:25:02 | n1s | kugel: yes |
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| 19:25:34 | IudeX | Hi, funman ;) |
| 19:25:52 | funman | n1s: I saw your patch : you can look in gcc's config.log if it takes the CPPFLAGS value without exporting it first (i.e. just given in argument to configure) |
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| 19:26:14 | funman | If you keep exported when running make, it might replace completely the CPPFLAGS value in the Makefile |
| 19:26:18 | funman | hey IudeX |
| 19:26:48 | n1s | funman: this way works, any other way i tried failed |
| 19:26:58 | funman | find why ;) |
| 19:27:19 | IudeX | Are u speaking about Clip or m200/e200? |
| 19:27:37 | gevaerts | IudeX: please use real words, as stated in the channel guidelines |
| 19:28:34 | n1s | funman: i don't get what you mean |
| 19:28:59 | IudeX | gevaerts: Are you thinking about "U"? |
| 19:29:16 | gevaerts | Yes |
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| 19:30:23 | funman | n1s: when you use "CPPFLAGS=x ./configure" , configure should _add_ the CPPFLAGS value to its own setting, and this should be mentioned in config.log after configure has returned |
| 19:30:42 | funman | of course unless gcc's authors ignore that setting |
| 19:31:04 | n1s | funman: ok, but why is exporting bad? |
| 19:31:43 | funman | if a makefile has for example CPPFLAGS=something ; it would use CPPFLAGS=x instead of CPPFLAGS='something x' I believe |
| 19:32:18 | IudeX | gevaerts: ok sorry : |
| 19:33:14 | funman | I just make has the '-e' option to make 'variables taken from the environment take precedence over variables from makefiles' so in fact make might just ignore the environment if a CPPFLAGS variable already exists in the Makefile |
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| 19:38:29 | amiconn | gevaerts: Regarding the storage type specific debug calls, I'd say they should be left storage specific and not abstracted |
| 19:40:00 | amiconn | And regarding to volume names - there's still the idea floating around to replace it with the actual volume name. Problem is what to do if the volume has no name (it's not mandatory on FAT) |
| 19:40:07 | n1s | funman: the gcc configure does not seem to care at all but rather the Makefile references CPPFLAGS like this CPPFLAGS="$(CFLAGS_FOR_TARGET)"; export CPPFLAGS; |
| 19:40:18 | n1s | in about 20 places |
| 19:40:39 | gevaerts | amiconn: yes. I'm not sure if I did that properly everywhere, but I plan to review the entire thing before commit anyway |
| 19:40:53 | funman | n1s: export in a Makefile? that's rather strange |
| 19:42:22 | Photoguy | Can anyone suggest how to convert videos for the E-200? |
| 19:43:23 | n1s | funman: well, i don't know much about this so if you have some neat way to do this, please do it :) I just think of patching gcc and binutils as a last resort type of thing |
| 19:43:27 | funman | Photoguy: look there: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer#How_To_Encode_Files |
| 19:43:46 | funman | n1s: I'll boot the ubuntu again ;) |
| 19:43:57 | Photoguy | Oh, I'n sorry, I hadn't realized that it was in the wiki. |
| 19:43:59 | funman | If I understood correctly newer binutils and gcc versions are a bit problematic |
| 19:44:02 | Photoguy | *I'm |
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| 19:44:49 | n1s | funman: I dropped the idea of going with binutils 2.19 if you missed that (should be in the logs from about an hour ago) |
| 19:47:23 | funman | n1s: I read it but I don't understand: is it something specific to coldfire ? |
| 19:48:05 | n1s | yes, basically we tell gcc to build for one cpu model and binutils to assemble and link for another |
| 19:48:29 | n1s | since the gcc we use does not support our coldfire cpu |
| 19:50:44 | funman | and gcc can't be updated ? |
| 19:51:48 | n1s | funman: it _can_ but that brings a couple of issues and not really many benefits :/ |
| 19:53:45 | n1s | since 4.3 is the first version with support for the right model and it brings at least one wrong assembler bug and fails with the inline asm in libmad, makes various things slower/larger etc |
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| 19:53:50 | kugel | funman: I'll try the code as soon as I can compile again |
| 19:54:17 | funman | n1s: maybe it's worth talking with gcc guys for cooperation on these bugs |
| 19:54:23 | funman | kugel: ok |
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| 19:54:53 | n1s | funman: just don't mention it to amiconn ;) |
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| 19:55:13 | funman | :o |
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| 19:56:33 | n1s | i know next to nothing about hacking gcc and don't know what i could hel them with except bug reports, (which i have filed, at least one) |
| 19:57:39 | funman | nor do I, but maybe the gcc developers are friendly |
| 19:58:24 | Bagder | friendly perhaps, just not caring much for the bugs we've had |
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| 19:59:39 | n1s | if you want to poke them, it's PR35018 in their bugzilla, i just wouldn't feel comfortable with that around even if it can be worked around by switching off some options who knows when it shows its head in some other place |
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| 20:07:20 | Lear | At least you got some feedback and they seem to know what the problem is. |
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| 20:11:13 | linuxstb | Lear: Any idea why foobar uses a different tag for album artist? |
| 20:11:22 | * | linuxstb spots two already |
| 20:11:47 | funman | I don't know coldfire so I can't help :/ |
| 20:12:33 | Lear | linuxstb: Most likely because TPE2 wasn't intended to be used for album artist. The author of Foobar tends to be very strict about such things... :) |
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| 20:14:16 | Lear | Btw, anyone with opinions about FS #9329? |
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| 20:19:07 | n1s | sounds like it could be nice for those database users i've heard about :) |
| 20:19:38 | bluebrother | domonoky: you already spotted http://trolltech.com/developer/qt-creator ? |
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| 20:24:59 | Lear | n1s: Do you have anything more specific? (IRC log, forum thread or such.) |
| 20:25:04 | amiconn | n1s: Why not? It's just that I refuse to contact them... |
| 20:26:02 | n1s | amiconn: was just joking, as i know you have little hope for them being helpful :) |
| 20:26:05 | amiconn | Zagor: Btw, as you were code policing, do you think that things like #define TRUE true (and its complement) in robotfindskitten.c are okay? |
| 20:27:01 | n1s | Lear: nope, only vague signs and whispers about these mysterious creatures :) |
| 20:27:05 | Zagor | amiconn: I didn't read through the code, I just found those .h files and fixed that issue. defines like that are generally not to my liking, no. |
| 20:27:32 | amiconn | Zagor: On another matter, the sim build problem on cygwin is probably not a cygwin problem, but a hostcc problem. Cygwin has gcc 3.4.4, and I'd expect the same problem on linux with gcc 3.4.4 (if you can find such...) |
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| 20:28:15 | amiconn | I got this idea because you said that gcc 4.0.x and 4.3.x generate different dependencies |
| 20:28:36 | gevaerts | I have gcc 3.4.6 installed |
| 20:28:44 | funman | openbsd still uses gcc 3.3 I think (mentioned in a FS report) |
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| 20:29:01 | Zagor | amiconn: I've found a couple of issues around that and a few possible fixes. |
| 20:29:20 | Zagor | gevaerts: have you tried a sim build recently? |
| 20:29:52 | gevaerts | Zagor: no, and it's not the default anyway. I'll try now |
| 20:32:53 | Zagor | in particular, I'm suspecting that gcc param -MM has changed slightly |
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| 20:38:03 | gevaerts | sim builds fine with 3.4.6 on linux here |
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| 20:40:38 | funman | n1s: the gcc configure ignores the CPPFLAGS given to it .. I don't know if it's a standard method, but I don't understand how it uses autotools .. |
| 20:41:08 | gevaerts | Also with 3.3.6, not with 2.95 |
| 20:41:11 | funman | it only uses it for its tests |
| 20:41:48 | n1s | funman: ah, so we have to pass CPPFLAGS to make if we want to do it you rway? |
| 20:42:14 | funman | That's what I think |
| 20:42:32 | funman | if the makefiles are done properly, they will use CPPFLAGS += or CPPFLAGS ?= , so we don't overwrite settings |
| 20:43:21 | funman | or maybe use CFLAGS |
| 20:44:10 | funman | hm configure writes CFLAGS, CFLAGS_FOR_BUILD , and CXXFLAGS , but no CPPFLAGS |
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| 20:45:45 | funman | Not sure what's the difference between CFLAGS and CFLAGS_FOR_BUILD |
| 20:46:50 | funman | compilers to use to create programs which must be run in the build environment. |
| 20:47:05 | funman | so CFLAGS is the way to go |
| 20:48:36 | funman | it's definitely used in the gcc command lines |
| 20:50:57 | Zagor | FYI: web server update in progress. cgiirc clients will be temporarily disconnected. |
| 20:51:29 | * | gevaerts finds that he has overlooked the bootloaders up till now |
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| 20:55:25 | amiconn | Zagor: I wonder whether something like this: http://code.google.com/p/webchat2/ would work better than cgi:irc |
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| 20:58:50 | Zagor | amiconn: perhaps. there are other alternatives as well. |
| 20:59:24 | WarpTI | Hello , I wonder if there are any unsupported alpha builds for sansa e200 V2 series |
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| 21:01:35 | BigBambi | No, there are no builds |
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| 21:03:41 | WarpTI | too bad seems the v2 is hard as hell to work with. |
| 21:04:27 | funman | what's hard ? |
| 21:04:30 | linuxstb | It's easier than the v1 - we have a datasheet for the main CPU... |
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| 21:06:23 | BigBambi | Easier than the ipods too? (I know ipodlinux did lots on it, but it was hard for them) |
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| 21:13:14 | WarpTI | but v1 was ported fast in comparison. |
| 21:13:25 | BigBambi | Was it? |
| 21:13:29 | BigBambi | Are you sure about that? |
| 21:13:41 | WarpTI | it took like 6 months |
| 21:13:46 | BigBambi | Are you sure? |
| 21:13:59 | WarpTI | i remember reading something about it |
| 21:14:04 | BigBambi | where? |
| 21:14:12 | * | BigBambi doesn't think it was six months |
| 21:14:25 | WarpTI | some forums maybe abi can't say for sure |
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| 21:15:23 | BigBambi | I wouldn't believe some random forum |
| 21:16:33 | WarpTI | allright , will the alpha v2 builds get public? |
| 21:16:53 | funman | if they are ready one day, of course |
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| 21:17:02 | BigBambi | WarpTI: What alpha builds? |
| 21:17:15 | BigBambi | WarpTI: Everything is in SVN - you can do what you want with it |
| 21:17:20 | BigBambi | There are no builds |
| 21:17:32 | BigBambi | Everything that is there is already public |
| 21:18:18 | WarpTI | ok thank you guys :) |
| 21:22:00 | linuxstb | WarpTI: Porting Rockbox to the e200 v1 started around May 2006 - it got audio playback in March 2007. |
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| 21:27:14 | pixelma | I like how the front page script (?) makes links to certain revisions out of every "r"+random number" combination in commit messages. "foobar2000" -> revision 2000 and when I changed the WPSs "engineer2" -> revision 2... |
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| 21:30:52 | * | gevaerts is confused |
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| 21:40:30 | * | gevaerts 's patch is now at 126 changed files |
| 21:40:45 | funman | oops my Clip committed suicide |
| 21:41:49 | funman | it was plugged by usb on the HI-FI, and I found it halted. It will not react to anything and was fully charged |
| 21:42:35 | funman | n1s |
| 21:43:19 | funman | n1s: I added CFLAGS=-U_FORTIFY_SOURCE in front of the configure for both binutils and gcc (arm-elf-as would crash), and it results in a succesful compilation |
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| 21:46:42 | funman | thanksfully it is alive again :) |
| 21:47:33 | bertrik | you ran an m300T.bin firmware? |
| 21:47:46 | linuxstb | gevaerts: You're not even trying - there are almost 900 files in firmware/ |
| 21:47:54 | funman | bertrik: yes, as usual |
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| 21:48:36 | bertrik | I think I read on the sandisk clip forum that that is not as stable as the normal firmwares, no clue if this is really true though |
| 21:48:40 | gevaerts | linuxstb: I know. Maybe I need to reorganise some sound stuff as well ;) |
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| 21:49:03 | funman | Note that I only copy 'm300.bin' files, maybe it keeps the settings of a previous 'm300t.bin' install |
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| 21:50:24 | IudeX | Funman you have a problem in rockboxing? |
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| 21:50:44 | funman | IudeX: yes, too few hackers participating :( |
| 21:52:00 | IudeX | I'd like to help, but I do not have time :( |
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| 21:53:14 | IudeX | funman: I'm not a programmer but I could be useful :) |
| 21:53:33 | * | gevaerts wants to use genlangcache |
| 21:54:41 | IudeX | funman: Can I do something? :) |
| 21:54:57 | funman | IudeX: I fear that programming skills are required, but thanks |
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| 21:56:06 | IudeX | funman: So what I have to learn? :P |
| 21:56:26 | funman | arm assembly |
| 21:56:54 | IudeX | funman: I laern very quickly :) |
| 21:56:57 | IudeX | *learn. |
| 21:58:59 | IudeX | Rockboxing takes a long time, but I'll want to help. |
| 21:59:44 | funman | IudeX: the only thing you can do now, is open the original firmware of a clip or m200v2 in a disassembler, and read it until you can power up the SD card |
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| 22:00:44 | bertrik | I played a bit around with the sansa v2 sd card code from svn but no luck yet |
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| 22:01:03 | IudeX | funman: IDA is necessary? |
| 22:01:50 | funman | any disassembler will do |
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| 22:02:15 | funman | if you look the forum thread for iaudio7 port, you can find a tool vitja has done to render a bit better objdump output |
| 22:02:48 | IudeX | I know that you are using IDA pro |
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| 22:03:45 | funman | that doesn't change anything: the code being disassembled is the same |
| 22:04:11 | funman | if you can start doing that, thanks for helping |
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| 22:11:02 | lwizardl | hi |
| 22:11:25 | lwizardl | has anyone got a xbox360 to read the rockbox enabled Ipods? |
| 22:11:50 | lwizardl | because I installed rockbox on my Ipod 30GB video and my xbox360 won't detect the ipod |
| 22:16:38 | pixelma | IudeX: generally asking for progress is not very helpfull rather annoying (developers need to answer instead of coding ;) ). There are a few possibilities to keep you informed - by reading the IRC logs, new ports forum thread, follow SVN activity, I think you are up to date then (I wouldn't know more than what I could read there). Better to ask specific questions later on :) |
| 22:19:02 | IudeX | pixelma: Yes you are right. I'm asking too much. :) |
| 22:20:21 | IudeX | pixelma: i think funman doesn't conding now (i have a troubles with pr. perf etc) |
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| 22:21:04 | pixelma | lwizardl: I know nothing about Xboxes... does the Ipod reboot into disk mode when you connect it and is there an option for usb mass storage devices on the Xboxes or so? |
| 22:22:04 | lwizardl | pixelma, wwll on AppleOS firmware when you connect the ipod to the 360 the 360 just sees it as any thumbdrive with storage of media on it |
| 22:22:38 | lwizardl | but when the rockbox firmware is installed I get a USB cable displayed on the ipod but the 360 detects nothing |
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| 22:24:43 | gevaerts | linuxstb: is that display in colour, or is it black and white? |
| 22:24:46 | IudeX | pixelma: I will work on the Clip. (not too much :P) |
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| 22:26:26 | pixelma | lwizardl: sounds like the automatic reboot into the Apple firmware doesn't work correctly for you right now (unfortunately a bug which is not tracked down yet and occurs randomly in some builds). I guess that would happen if you connect it to a PC too right now. You could try connecting to USB while the Ipod is turned off or manually boot into the Apple OF manually before |
| 22:26:50 | pixelma | -manually |
| 22:27:22 | lwizardl | but would the songs I added to rockbox be available to the appleos? |
| 22:28:05 | lwizardl | because I'm very tired of having my songs named Q4FA.mp3 |
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| 22:28:22 | krazykit | only if you added them via itunes or another program that works with the OF specifically |
| 22:28:35 | lwizardl | damn |
| 22:28:39 | * | gevaerts doesn't understand how this is related to getting usb to work |
| 22:28:54 | lwizardl | which would rename them into the bad filenames |
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| 22:31:37 | lwizardl | so could this get fixed in a newer release build |
| 22:32:03 | pixelma | well Rockbox will see sanely named files ;) |
| 22:32:19 | lwizardl | or in a svn build. |
| 22:32:31 | lwizardl | I want to use rockbox for two major reasons |
| 22:32:39 | lwizardl | 1) flac support |
| 22:32:55 | lwizardl | 2) i can name the files how I want to, not how they want me to have them |
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| 22:33:46 | gevaerts | lwizardl: we're only suggesting to boot into the Apple OS for usb, not for actually playing files |
| 22:34:35 | pixelma | not necessarily, the bug comes and goes. But you should be able to get it working the two ways I suggested later on. It's only the automatic reboot that's broken. Did you try these yet? |
| 22:35:01 | * | petur wonders about a way to add the rest REP to suitable targets. Depend on screen size or create a HAVE_xxx define or add i for all LCD devices... |
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| 22:36:04 | Llorean | petur: "REP" refers to what features at this point? |
| 22:36:29 | petur | histogram, balance meter and diskspace warning iirc |
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| 22:36:59 | Llorean | Can histogram and balance meter be toggled on/off so they don't display? |
| 22:37:11 | petur | I think so yes |
| 22:37:26 | Llorean | I'd say if they can be toggled, all LCD recording devices should get them. |
| 22:37:45 | petur | yes, but think about the binsize :) |
| 22:37:54 | * | petur was actually serious |
| 22:38:22 | gevaerts | What sort of binsize are we talking about? |
| 22:38:35 | petur | and it adds another line, on some devices there will never be room to show it |
| 22:38:58 | gevaerts | I'd go for HAVE_xxx then |
| 22:39:03 | petur | no idea what binsize it adds, still busy converting the patch |
| 22:39:14 | Llorean | petur: Adds what line? |
| 22:39:20 | pixelma | petur: well you can gain one line by making the progress bar 1 line high one small screens again... (semi-serious) |
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| 22:39:33 | pixelma | peak meter I mean |
| 22:39:46 | petur | a line that shows histogram and balance |
| 22:40:01 | petur | pixelma: I already do that for trigger |
| 22:40:14 | Llorean | petur: I thought you said that could be toggled.. |
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| 22:41:03 | petur | Llorean: no use in adding the possibility if there will never be room to show the extra line in the smallest font |
| 22:41:20 | petur | archos screen is already full |
| 22:41:25 | Llorean | Still, I think "Recording" is in a way not yet "feature complete" compared to say, playback, so getting these in (as long as the binsizes are where possible kept as low as possible for the features, even if it's not necessarily 'low') should be a goal. |
| 22:41:28 | pixelma | would the histogram even make sense in monochrome? |
| 22:41:48 | pixelma | and small |
| 22:41:52 | Llorean | petur: Maybe make peakmeter or some other line togglable too, for those screens, so people can prioritize? |
| 22:41:54 | petur | it draws monochrome iirc |
| 22:42:29 | petur | Llorean: can't imagine people doing without a peakmeter |
| 22:42:47 | Llorean | petur: If they have AGC on, it's not going to do them much good, is it? |
| 22:43:01 | pixelma | not many targets have AGC |
| 22:43:06 | Llorean | Ah |
| 22:43:22 | petur | AGC needs small gain steps |
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| 22:44:57 | Llorean | Can the recording screen be made so you can scroll up/down? |
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| 22:45:14 | Llorean | Some information, like what the gain is actually set at, isn't too important to be seen at all times. |
| 22:45:24 | petur | the top part is now fixed, the bottom part is a list |
| 22:45:53 | petur | I already moved the filename to that list and some people complained |
| 22:46:03 | Llorean | Why? |
| 22:46:17 | petur | habits? |
| 22:46:32 | petur | anyway, gain setting is already in that list |
| 22:46:41 | bluebrother | petur: btw, is the trigger menu still not using the rockbox widgets or has that been adjusted? |
| 22:46:57 | petur | what widgets? |
| 22:47:12 | bluebrother | the trigger setup menu |
| 22:47:30 | petur | ah... last person to touch that was JdGordon I think |
| 22:47:37 | Llorean | petur: I'd say moving more things to that list (like filename) so that it's possible to display more dynamic information on smaller screens is a good thing. |
| 22:47:40 | * | petur checks |
| 22:47:46 | Llorean | I think you can override people who don't like filename down there. |
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| 22:48:05 | petur | Llorean: it is already down there ;) |
| 22:48:16 | Llorean | Oh |
| 22:48:18 | Llorean | Well then. :) |
| 22:48:19 | lwizardl | ok this time the 360 seen it |
| 22:48:29 | pixelma | petur: I'm not even sure if histogram and/or balance will work with the MAS codec recording engine - I guess this would at least need some major changes to the patch. But the Iriver remote display is of the same height as the Archos screen... |
| 22:48:35 | lwizardl | but only the songs added via itunes |
| 22:48:36 | Llorean | petur: So basically the status for the Recorder is "everything that can be down there, is, and there's still not enough screen space"? |
| 22:49:05 | * | bluebrother would like to see that old "show values inline in menus" again |
| 22:49:15 | petur | Llorean, not to add more permanent stuff |
| 22:49:20 | Llorean | lwizardl: That suggests it's probably only looking for an Apple database and Apple indexed songs. Nothing we can do anything about, it's the 360's software at fault. |
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| 22:49:46 | lwizardl | ok |
| 22:49:51 | lwizardl | thats what i thought |
| 22:49:59 | Llorean | petur: I guess in that case it'd be reasonable to make the features screen-height based. |
| 22:50:00 | lwizardl | anyway to patch the db? |
| 22:50:03 | pixelma | Llorean: there are other Archos devices that can record ;) sorry, couldn't resist |
| 22:50:50 | pixelma | is there an option for mass storage devices on the Xbox? |
| 22:51:06 | BigBambi | lwizardl: To patch what db how? |
| 22:51:09 | Llorean | pixelma: Yup, I have no problem with using an external HD for media content of various sorts. |
| 22:51:10 | petur | pixelma: histogram and balance meter use the peakmeter data so they should work with the mas |
| 22:51:23 | Llorean | pixelma: I suspect though that if the device sees an iPod it just looks for an iPod db |
| 22:51:27 | lwizardl | the apple firmware database |
| 22:51:47 | BigBambi | To do what? |
| 22:51:51 | lwizardl | anyone to patch it to allow reading of proper named files |
| 22:52:01 | BigBambi | That is off topic here really |
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| 22:52:30 | lwizardl | example \music\soundtrack\track 01.mp4 instead of like Q2A4.mp3 |
| 22:52:41 | BigBambi | I get it, it just isn't related to Rockbox |
| 22:52:50 | lwizardl | BigBambi, ok I just figured someone might know of a way |
| 22:53:11 | BigBambi | Not that I know of, and please take a quick look at the guidelines |
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| 22:53:43 | lwizardl | reading them now |
| 22:53:49 | BigBambi | cheers |
| 22:54:49 | petur | bluebrother: the rec trigger setup is using a synclist (at line 459 of apps/menus/recording_menu.c) |
| 22:54:51 | lwizardl | i guess my question was rule 6-ish |
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| 22:55:09 | BigBambi | It is just off topic |
| 22:55:46 | petur | bluebrother: and two viewports. one for the list, one for the trigger bar |
| 22:56:02 | BigBambi | lwizardl: The channel is logged, and many people read through them to get to the development chat. If everyone just asked an off-topic question as someone might know, the logs would be even harder to read |
| 22:56:33 | lwizardl | true |
| 22:58:24 | lwizardl | well thanks for your time |
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| 22:58:58 | bluebrother | petur: hmm, I should update the build on my h120 ;-) |
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| 23:02:08 | petur | heh |
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| 23:22:28 | mc2739 | funman: ping |
| 23:23:18 | funman | mc2739: pong |
| 23:23:43 | mc2739 | Hi! got some buttons working on e200v2 |
| 23:24:23 | funman | cool, does it use a matrix like clip and m200v2 ? |
| 23:24:42 | funman | it's nice to see the display motivate hackers :) |
| 23:24:50 | mc2739 | no - directly connected - just like documented in the wiki |
| 23:25:21 | mc2739 | the problem was with the dual functions on the GPIO's |
| 23:25:38 | funman | ah I just read your post : you need to change gpio*_afsel to be able to read the buttons ? |
| 23:25:48 | mc2739 | yes |
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| 23:26:08 | mc2739 | but you have to change it back to display |
| 23:26:23 | funman | mc2739: http://img389.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf0004fv8.jpg < this test is with the real SD slot on e200 (made by fragilematter) |
| 23:26:35 | funman | mc2739: if button reading is fast it's not a problme |
| 23:28:06 | mc2739 | funman: cool - what was the key to make it work? |
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| 23:28:26 | alex66 | hi |
| 23:29:02 | * | mc2739 waves |
| 23:30:19 | funman | mc2739: no key, just modify ata_sd_as3525.c (#define HAVE_MULTIVOLUME after #include "config.h" and comment the code that enables the internal SD (NAND_AS3535)) |
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| 23:30:54 | mc2739 | ok |
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| 23:31:49 | funman | mc2739: which buttons are missing except the wheel ? |
| 23:32:13 | mc2739 | funman: side/record and hold |
| 23:32:14 | funman | hold at least |
| 23:32:25 | | Part alex66 |
| 23:33:54 | funman | it's weird that a GPIO pin means 'usb connection' when it can be detected on the i2c bus |
| 23:34:58 | funman | mc2739: nothing on A1 ? |
| 23:36:00 | mc2739 | funman: not that I could tell |
| 23:36:15 | funman | Did you try displaying the values of all pins in a loop ? |
| 23:36:30 | funman | and see for a change when you press a button |
| 23:36:46 | funman | I think this is how daniel found the buttons (but the only output he had was the led blinking or not) |
| 23:37:19 | mc2739 | yes, using the blink_until_keypress_e200.S from the git repo |
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| 23:37:53 | * | domonoky used delay loops to find the buttons on m200v2 (no led) :-) |
| 23:38:39 | funman | domonoky: same :) |
| 23:38:49 | funman | but the e200 has the advantage to be unbricked |
| 23:39:21 | mc2739 | the only response was from GPIOA was pin 3 and GPIOB was pin 4 (power) |
| 23:39:34 | domonoky | yes, the 200v2 seems to be the easiest v2 target... |
| 23:39:52 | domonoky | +e |
| 23:40:45 | funman | also the most expensive |
| 23:41:15 | funman | perhaps the other buttons can be read from an adc |
| 23:41:22 | apol | hey! great work guys! :) amazing |
| 23:43:16 | mc2739 | did linuxstb say which port the lcd driver came from? |
| 23:43:30 | linuxstb | The e200v2 lcd? |
| 23:43:37 | mc2739 | yes |
| 23:43:59 | funman | the e200v1 use interrupts to read the buttons (but directly from the GPIO registers it seems) |
| 23:44:23 | linuxstb | I think the iaudio x5. Or maybe the iriver h300... But the same (or register-compatible) LCD controller is used in a lot of devices - including the v1 e200 and some ipods |
| 23:45:43 | | Quit bughunter2 ("bye") |
| 23:46:50 | mc2739 | linuxstb: was the port an ams3525, or did you modify it to match with the as3525.h file |
| 23:47:37 | | Quit dabujo ("( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )") |
| 23:48:19 | linuxstb | No, the x5/h300 have Coldfire CPUs. Most of it I wrote myself based on disassembling the original firmware, with some of the higher-level stuff copied from the h300/x5 driver. |
| 23:48:54 | funman | the sansav2 are the first targets based on ams3525 |
| 23:49:18 | mc2739 | ok, I didn't realize you had put that much work into it |
| 23:49:54 | funman | if you base this assumption on the as3525.h file, it was 'stolen' from austria micro systems :P |
| 23:50:35 | funman | they had sent some patches to Linux & U-Boot 2 years ago but they were not accepted (at least for Linux) |
| 23:50:42 | bluebrother | Bagder: not sure if it's actually broken but when trying to comment on a FS task I get some SMTP error |
| 23:50:57 | Bagder | oh |
| 23:51:01 | bluebrother | the comment is attached fine, but it seems like no notification mails are sent |
| 23:52:28 | funman | I didn't get a mail for the last commits by the way |
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