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#rockbox log for 2008-11-01

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00:18:09totalnewbieim trying to find the part in the FAQ where it says: "I just installed Rocbox but nothing will play" I got something along those lines but it doesn't seem to help me.
00:19:12BigBambiWhat player, what files, how did you transfer them, etc etc
00:19:37pixelmait would help if you could give some more details other than "nothing will play". ;) What player did you install Rockbox on, what files are you trying to play, do you get an error message (if so which), what happens...
00:20:30totalnewbieToshiba (not S series) the database has scanned and found the files but when I try to access them they do not appear
00:20:46BigBambiAre they .sat files?
00:21:02BigBambiOr mp3, ogg, ... ?
00:21:07totalnewbiei really wouldn't know
00:21:09totalnewbiemp3
00:21:14BigBambiAnd how did you transfer them?
00:21:49totalnewbiethey were already on the player, I added rockbox on top of all that. It was originally by usb transfer
00:22:03BigBambiThen they are encrypted and Rockbox cannot play them
00:22:25totalnewbieso I should delete and try again? Or somehow remove encryption?
00:22:30BigBambiGigabeat room encrypts files when you transfer them (and calls them .sat)
00:22:52totalnewbieyes. Gigabeat room. An old enemy.
00:22:54BigBambiYou can remove encryption, but if you have the MP3s on your computer, it is much easier to just delete and retransfer
00:23:00totalnewbiethanks
00:23:13BigBambiJust copy and paste them, don't use gigabeat room
00:23:42BigBambiIf you want to use some other synching thing you of course can, but personally I think it is much easier just copying and pasting
00:24:18totalnewbieI was forced to use windows media player as the preferred alternative. I used to see a lot of bitching about gigabeat awhile ago but that's all been replaced by glowing reports. anybody know what gives?
00:24:43BigBambiI don't know what you mean. It is transformed by Rockbox...
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00:25:33totalnewbieNo i was taking the opportunity to complain about how horrible the original software is and how grateful I am for this new system
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00:40:36funmanI have now the Clip simulator in 'real' colors, but I have yet to find an efficient and clean way to do
00:41:30funmanat the moment, I add an extra color to the palette, and check the top 16*128 pixels in sdl_gui_update(), converting them to the 2nd color if they are set to the first (and only) one
00:43:45funmanoh and the yellow top stays on when the backlight is switched off .. :o
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01:14:40funmanhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/65454/ : it's quite ugly
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01:28:32bertrikfunman, it seems the sd controller works, but we miss something to activate the actual flash somehow I think
01:28:52funmanI came to the same conclusion, that's why I thought we miss a voltage or something
01:30:33bertrikI also find it weird that the send_op_cond command fails with a crc error, but does seem to return value data anyway
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01:31:29funmanwell maybe we don't care about the crc
01:31:51funmanthe SD spec has something about crc not required for op_cond I think
01:33:01bertrikI read about the e200v2 doing multiple things with the same pins, that complicates things a bit. I hope it's not the same with the clip
01:35:32funmanwhat do you mean ?
01:38:09bertrikfunman, the last part of http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaV2HardwareMappings
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01:39:58funmanwell no it's the same
01:40:05funmanxpd is shared between gpiod and sd-mci
01:40:20funmanxpb and xpc is shared between gpio and lcd (dbop)
01:40:52funmando you know who I should bug for simulator patches ?
01:44:22bertrikno sorry don't know. TBH I think a v2 simulator is wasted time as long as there is no actual port to simulate
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01:45:52funmanit was fun :)
01:46:17funmanthere is also the fact that I don't know where to look to get access to the embedded SD
01:46:17domonoky:-) and it helps to prepare,for when we get the bootloader ready...
01:46:35pixelmapeople can work on keymaps (although the sim is not always the best thing for it) or other higher level stuff
01:49:53pixelmaother people who don't own the target but want to help out
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02:36:27funmanoops I managed to crash my Clip :(
02:37:08funmanit won't turn off
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04:13:32RomanianWhich language does Rockbox most utilise/is in most need for ports?
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04:15:46funmanI don't think there is statistics about the untranslated strings
04:16:13Romanianuhhh
04:16:31Romanianprogramming languages?
04:16:43scorcheC with bits of ASM
04:16:57*scorche bonks funman on the noggin ;)
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04:19:22funmanah sorry
04:23:14funmanthere is also a bit of perl for the tools used by the buildsystem
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04:50:17webguest89Anyone there?
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04:50:38webguest89hello?
04:50:41advcomp2019webguest89, yes
04:50:55webguest89So is there any alt os that will work on the 3rd gen nano?
04:51:04advcomp2019nope
04:51:15webguest89none at all?
04:51:28advcomp2019yea.. none
04:51:32webguest89sux
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04:51:54webguest79so I am stuck with the mac one
04:51:56webguest79man.
04:52:21advcomp2019yep unless you going work on it
04:52:37webguest79?
04:53:13advcomp2019you could make rockbox work on it if you know how to
04:53:36webguest79What would I do? Any tutorial?
04:54:38advcomp2019here are links for you: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers
04:55:25webguest79drat
04:55:31webguest79So why is there nothing for the 3rd?
04:56:58advcomp2019the firmware is encrypted for one
04:57:16webguest79wow
04:57:24webguest79Mac sure does hate jailbreakers.
04:59:39webguest79but don't you just replace the firmware anyways?
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15:38:36gevaerts\o/
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15:39:43funmanhum rockbox.org domain has expired ?
15:40:13funmanshame on me: I typed rocbox
15:40:24gevaertsExpiration Date:22-Sep-2013 22:36:53 UTC
15:41:10XavierGrit works for me now
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15:42:22J-23is Superdom clone of any other game?
15:44:04*funman invites simulator friends to have a look at FS #9521
15:44:14mooswe missed yet few svn mails for this morning, probably due to this crash/or don't know what's hapened, B4gder?
15:48:03moosjust received, things seems back again
15:50:14B4gdermost stuff will just be delayed, yes
15:54:22funmankugel: when the fuze' lcd work, we can try to read the ADC to get button states
15:54:38funmanin the datasheet they name it 'microphone2' input, but they mention the buttons ..
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16:12:16gevaertsMy storage rework in FS #9500 is getting near being commit ready. I'm still looking for some ways to reduce the delta a bit, and I still need to test on Archos, but that's it
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16:23:24kugellinuxstb: Do I need to edit sansa-as3525.c in a way to test the lcd?
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16:32:30kugellinuxstb: why is backlight-e200v2.c built, and not backlight-fuze?
16:33:20kugelcopy'n'paste fail I guess. I corrected it
16:35:04kugelthe bootloader-fuze.sansa is >50KB. Isn't it too big (I remember we only had 38KB for the fuze left). Or is it ucl compressed sufficiently?
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16:36:41bertrikmkamsboot tells you exactly how much memory is used
16:38:01bertrikI suppose as long as "total size of new image" is smaller than "original firmware size" by a comfortable margin, it should be OK
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16:42:50kugelit is
16:44:14kugellinuxstb: no success
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17:00:22gevaertsAlso, why are ata_sleep(), ata_spin() and ata_spindown() unconditionally included in the plugin api, without #ifdef HAVE_DISK_STORAGE?
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17:04:08*gevaerts decides to commit the current storage rework. Reducing deltas can be done later, when enough people are woken up by the reds to have a decent discussion about it
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17:23:46moosgevaerts: from memory, you have beated all previous records :)
17:23:51*gevaerts must have done something wrong..
17:24:20*gevaerts facepalms
17:25:37gevaertsNow who will be the first to reach 1000000 points?
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17:27:38mooshehe, don't know if anyone will beat this soonish :), but sure that you beated all previous pretenders, by far even
17:28:18peturgevaerts: I'm sure you managed a new record
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17:28:31moospetur: he had :)
17:28:34gevaertsIt's all caused by git!
17:28:59peturwhat, no perl involved?
17:29:09mooshaha :D
17:29:34gevaertsMy git checkout got confused, so I applied the patch to an svn checkout, test-compiled and committed, but I forgot about the svn add
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17:29:54peturI saw ;)
17:30:05sohohey guys, how can i find out if my rockbox version is old?
17:30:23sohoit says r16350-080218
17:30:25*moos already forgot to add files too
17:30:29sohois that version3?
17:30:35peturno
17:30:40peturvery old
17:30:47sohooh
17:30:52sohohow can i update it?
17:30:55gevaertssoho: the "080218" is the date
17:31:03petur18 feb 2008
17:31:06sohooh
17:31:07mooshttp://build.rockbox.org/
17:31:12sohoi installed it 2006
17:31:29gevaertssoho: download rbutil and ue that to upgrade
17:31:47gevaertshttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility
17:31:55sohook thanks gevaerts
17:32:20Cdynastyi need some help regarding the menu system
17:32:57sohoi am on linux right now is that a program gavaerts?
17:33:14gevaertssoho: in that case, you download the linux version :)
17:33:21soho32 or 64?
17:33:28kugelgevaerts: nice reds! Looks beatiful :P
17:33:30sohoim not sure which one
17:33:47BigBambiCdynasty: Just ask
17:33:50kugelgevaerts: still some reds :/
17:33:55Cdynastywhy is it that when you start up rockbox and you resume playback, the back button doesnt go to the correct place in the database but instead the file browser?
17:34:35gevaertssoho: if you don't know, it's most probably 32
17:34:53BigBambiBecause at the moment the resume doesn't know that you selected that file through the database and not through the filebrowser
17:35:00sohoi think its 64
17:35:12gevaertsYou can always just try
17:35:40Cdynastyis there a way to make the "return to database" button ALWAYS go back to the specific album for example in the database?
17:35:54sohogavaerts after i download what do i do
17:36:39Cdynastyor how would i go about fixing this problem myself
17:36:43sohomy archive manager wont open it
17:36:57Cdynastyand is it a well known problem?
17:36:59BigBambiCdynasty: The information stored for the resume will need extending to also record whether the song was selected from database or filebrowser, not just what file to resume
17:37:16BigBambiCdynasty: It is the first I have heard, but very few devs indeed use the database
17:38:03BigBambisoho: A linux archive manager won't open .tar.bz2 ?
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17:38:15Cdynastyoh i see
17:38:17sohoi opened it, and extracted it
17:38:23Cdynastyso i should use the file browser more?
17:38:30BigBambiCdynasty: That is up to you
17:38:31sohoit wont open "rbutilqt-v1.0.6-64bit"
17:38:49BigBambisoho: chmod +x rbutilqt-v1.0.6-64bit
17:39:01Cdynastyi'm too used to ipod style browsing :-(
17:39:23BigBambiCdynasty: Personally I greatly dislike database style stuff, and prefer just to use a good old filetree
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17:39:32BigBambiBut you can use what you like
17:39:49sohomaybe i should just try this on windows
17:40:04BigBambiAs you like, all you need to do is make it executable
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17:40:10BigBambiThis is fairly basic linux use
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17:41:42Cdynastyso do i make a bug report about this or something?
17:41:54BigBambiCdynasty: The database is missing some functionality compared to file browsing as the overlap of people that use it and people that can/do fix things is small
17:42:45BigBambiCdynasty: I can't decide if that is a bug or missing functionality :)
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17:43:59sohohey
17:44:41sohocan anyone help me with rockbox?
17:44:56Cdynastyalright well even though it goes to file browser, the "back to database" button on the wps still doesnt go to the correct folder in the file browser
17:45:01Cdynastyon powerup
17:45:15BigBambiWhich back to database button?
17:45:24Cdynastywell for me, it would be the center button
17:45:25BigBambisoho: You still need to ask a question
17:45:29sohookay
17:45:35BigBambiCdynasty: That isn't back to database per se
17:45:39sohoi can't open the rbuild utility file
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17:45:49BigBambiCdynasty: And do you have follow playlist turned on?
17:45:55BigBambisoho: Still on linux?
17:46:18sohoi downloaded "rbutilqt-v1.0.6-64bit.bz2" and extracted it, file "rbutilqt-v1.0.6-64bit" wont run on my linux
17:46:25sohoam i doing something wrong?
17:46:32gevaertsTry the 32 bit then
17:46:33Cdynastyoh wow
17:46:36BigBambiAnd did you do "chmod +x rbutilqt-v1.0.6-64bit" as I have already told you?
17:46:38Cdynastythat helps a lot
17:46:48Cdynastywell i think i can deal with the file browser now
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17:47:46mc2739Cdynasty: i think database startup on powerup is a known bug http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9470
17:48:05Cdynastywell that's slightly different
17:48:09sohoBigBambi?
17:48:30BigBambiHave you made the file executable by running "chmod +x rbutilqt-v1.0.6-64bit" ?
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17:48:33Cdynastyim talking about when you first powerup, and you go to resume playback
17:48:43Cdynastyor if it start up using "previous screen" and you were on the wps
17:48:43mc2739oh sorry, misread
17:49:08Cdynastythe follow playlist function is what i'm looking for, but instead for the database
17:49:15sohono i did no bigbambi let me try that
17:49:29BigBambisoho: I said it three time now....
17:50:08*gevaerts hopes for all-green now
17:50:34sohoim trying it right now bigbambi
17:50:36sohoone second
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17:51:49sohook i did chmod BigBambi
17:52:00sohoapplied successfully to the file
17:52:11BigBambinow run it
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17:52:34sohoit says my "configuration is invalied"
17:52:55BigBambiAnd then should ask you to select player and mount point
17:53:16soho"this is most likely due to a new installation of rockbox utility or a change in devicepath
17:53:34BigBambiI know, press OK then select autodetect
17:54:31sohoi clicked autodetected
17:54:47*domonoky wonders what people find so difficult about this message..
17:54:51sohoit picked "/media/disk" but after i apply changes it still says config is invalied
17:55:05BigBambidomonoky: I don't know
17:55:05PaulJamCdynasty: the problem with a follow playlist feature for the database is, that a specific song can appear under multiple "paths" in the database. and other songs don't appear at all in the database.
17:55:49BigBambisoho: And your DAP is mounted at /media/disk ?
17:56:11sohoi believe so...
17:56:17BigBambiWell is it?
17:56:51sohoyes media/disk
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17:56:57soholeads to my music on my ipod
17:57:14BigBambiDid it detect which DAP correctly?
17:57:19sohono
17:57:35*domonoky gives a hint about root rights for rbutil with ipods..
17:57:50BigBambisoho: Did you run it with sudo/as root?
17:58:15sohoi was inthe GUI
17:58:18BigBambisoho: What distro?
17:58:22sohoubuntu
17:58:22*BigBambi guesses ubuntu
17:58:27soho:(
17:58:42BigBambisoho: run it with sudo from the command line
17:58:59sohosudo /media/disk ?
17:59:08domonokyisnt there a "run as" in the context menu of ubutu filebrowser ?
17:59:09BigBambino, sudo ./rbutilqt-v1.0.6-64bit
17:59:14BigBambidomonoky: Maybe
17:59:18sohookay
17:59:57sohoBigBambi still get the same error
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18:00:26BigBambiAnd it still didn't detect the ipod?
18:00:37sohoi think it worked
18:00:48sohoyeah
18:00:50sohoit detected it
18:01:39sohonext step is to install the bootloader?
18:01:54BigBambiI thought you already had that?
18:01:58sohoyah
18:02:03BigBambiThen no
18:02:05sohoi just need to unpdate my versio
18:02:12domonokyno need for the bootloader.. just install rockbox itself..
18:02:23BigBambiGo to Installation, then Install Rockbox
18:02:25sohothe "install rockbox on your audio player?"
18:02:28sohookay
18:02:50sohoBigBambi will my music be lost when i update it?
18:02:54BigBambiNo
18:02:55domonokyno
18:03:00sohocool
18:04:02BigBambidomonoky: By the way, I don't have a run as in the context menu of ubuntu 8.10
18:05:04sohohow is ibex?
18:05:10BigBambioff topic
18:05:15soho:(
18:05:27sohoBigBambi what theme do you use for rockbox?
18:06:02BigBambiDepends on which player - most of them cabbiev2, on a couple a modified cabbiev2 with bigger font and album art
18:06:15sohoi have an old theme on mine
18:06:23sohowill that be deleted after i install this update?
18:06:25Cdynastypauljam: there should be a way that allows you to set a certain branch to go through, say artists, or albums
18:06:39sohobecause i dont like the theme, and i want to delete it
18:06:47BigBambisoho: No, but you will likely have to fix it to work with current rockbox
18:06:54BigBambisoho: Then delete it....
18:07:22BigBambiCdynasty: Who decides which way that is?
18:07:31sohoi forgot how to delete it
18:07:41BigBambibrowse to it and delete?
18:07:50sohoBigBambi do i want "rockbox stable, archived build or current build"
18:07:59CdynastyBigBambi: either a menu option or last used or choose one and set it for that
18:08:00BigBambicurrent
18:08:33BigBambiCdynasty: Sorry, I slightly misread what you said. That is possible, but the possibilities are endless given you can chain filters
18:08:42sohoi think ill try the ubuntu human theme
18:08:55Cdynastythe way the ipod interface back navigates from the playing screen is so easy to use
18:08:59BigBambis/That is possible, but//
18:09:05Cdynastyi just want similar function but for rockbox
18:09:10BigBambiThen get coding :)
18:09:36sohoBigBambi is there anyway to completly remove mac's firmware on the ipods?
18:09:49BigBambiYes, but why?
18:10:00sohoApple = yuck
18:10:12sohoi want rockbox to be only on it
18:10:43BigBambiI would advise leaving it there (I also wonder why you bought an ipod if Apple = yuck)
18:11:49sohobecause its either MSFT or apple
18:12:08gevaertshuh?
18:12:18BigBambiiriver, iaudio, toshiba, sandisk, archos, .....
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18:12:34*gevaerts has fifteen DAPs that were built by neither Microsoft nor Apple
18:12:53*BigBambi has 7 non Apple non Microsoft
18:13:10sohoACTUALLY THE ZEN IS ALRIGHT
18:13:25sohocant believe i said that
18:13:33BigBambiNope, no Rockbox. Anyway, lets stay on topic
18:13:34domonokyno need to shout..
18:15:12conleyHey, I just found a Zune in the grass outside my office...are there any plans to get Rockbox working on the zune?
18:15:44*BigBambi thinks conley should hand that in
18:16:06conleyBigBambi: To who?
18:16:37BigBambiOffice secretary, police, ...
18:17:08*BigBambi would check with those sort of people if he lost his DAP
18:17:31advcomp2019a lost and found box
18:17:39Cdynastyi dont think i would check with police if i lost a player
18:17:48BigBambiEither way, off topic
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18:19:55conleyPolice? They wouldn't do anything...and there are many buildings around, not just one
18:20:04conleyI'll be looking for lost zune posters
18:20:06BigBambi<BigBambi> Either way, off topic
18:20:12conleyok
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18:52:10kugellinuxstb: are you back soon?
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19:59:04_gregoroviusaproximately how long does an ipod take to reboot from rockbox to the original firmware (and viceversa)?
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20:00:25linuxstbWhich ipod?
20:00:38_gregoroviusI was thinking of buying a 5g
20:00:57_gregoroviusI was reading the wiki and discovered video playback in rockbox isn't so hot at 320x240
20:01:19_gregoroviusso I'm wondering how much of a bother it might be to reboot to the original firmware every time I want to watch a video
20:01:45linuxstbThe Apple firmware is very slow to start - I'm guessing about 30 seconds, but it's been a long time since I tried. Rockbox will start in about 5-10 seconds.
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20:02:14gevaertsDoes this have to be an ipod?
20:02:42_gregoroviusnot particularly, but it's easy to get and cheap, and I like the hardware
20:03:01_gregoroviuslack of fm radio and a standard usb port bothers me, alas
20:03:09gevaertsThe ipod 5g is the slowest 320x240 player that rockbox runs on. On gigabeat F e.g. video works fine
20:03:17linuxstbThe Gigabeat F is cheap, and has good 320x240 video playback in Rockbox. No FM, but there is a standard USB port.
20:04:07_gregoroviusany advantages over an ipod 5g?
20:05:12gevaertsThe ipod is a bit more compact, but I personally prefer the gigabeat
20:05:29linuxstbWhat I just said are two reasons - good video playback in Rockbox, and a standard USB port. It probably also has longer battery life (in Rockbox) than the ipod.
20:05:42_gregoroviussize and weight are pretty important for me
20:05:46_gregoroviusI can't find specs...
20:06:00gevaertshttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceChart
20:06:27linuxstbThe Gigabeat S is even better (it has FM, plus an even more powerful CPU than the F), but Rockbox isn't fully working on it yet.
20:08:27_gregorovius60gb gigabeat f is 19mm thick?
20:08:42gevaertsIt's pretty thick, yes
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20:09:10J-23bertrik: do you receive any errors?
20:09:29_gregoroviusweight is almost the same, but thickness tends to bug me
20:09:41_gregoroviusanyway, I'm not a big video user, only ocasionally
20:10:14_gregoroviusI don't mind if it doesn't work perfectly on rockbox
20:10:49bertrikJ-23, SOUND_LEFT_GAIN undeclared for sansa clip sim
20:11:01J-23ahh, Clip sim
20:11:24gevaertsAs linuxstb said, you could go for the gigabeat S. It's a lot more compact than the F. Rockbox support isn't complete yet though
20:12:34_gregoroviusif there's something I don't look for in a music player is beta-ness =)
20:15:03gevaertsIn that case you'll have to choose between having to reboot for smooth video, having a bulky player, or having a smaller screen
20:17:24_gregoroviusI can live with rebooting every now and then, I think
20:19:00*J-23 doesn't like unsynced patches
20:19:09J-23unsynced but useful*
20:19:39_gregoroviusdo you guys consider rockbox's UI to be polished?
20:19:59_gregoroviusor- does it provide with a mostly smooth experience?
20:20:09*gevaerts is not a UI type of person, so he won't answer that :)
20:20:42_gregoroviusI had a meizu m6, which was pretty decent, but it had some really annoying quirks
20:20:43bluebrotherdepends on what you consider a smooth experience ... I'm quite happy with the UI
20:20:56_gregoroviusI don't need animated menus or that nonsense
20:21:12_gregoroviusjust an easy to browse interface that's fast and usable
20:21:41linuxstb_gregorovius: You can always try the Rockbox UI simulator - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UiSimulator
20:21:45gevaertsThere have been some complaints about UI speed on the ipod video. I'm not sure about the current status though
20:22:09krazykiti was under the impression ui performance had improved since the COP had been better utilized
20:23:28*gevaerts doesn't know. He doesn't use his ipod video very often
20:24:12kugel_gregorovius: if you look for a fast and smooth browsing, then any device BUT the ipod 5g applies
20:24:36_gregoroviusum... why's that?
20:24:52kugelbecause, as it has been said, the 5g is the slowest target
20:25:18_gregoroviusI mean, is it a matter of the ipod's hardware?
20:25:23kugelthat doesn't only apply to video playback, but to overall in general. It's just most noticeable in the bad video performance
20:25:28gevaertsSame reason as why video isn't very good. Relatively slow CPU and lots of pixels
20:25:45kugelit's a rather slow processor connected with a high res display, so yes
20:26:15kugellinuxstb: you've noticed my fuze test, didn't you? any ideas?
20:27:13gevaertsThere's a chip in there to help with video and possibly UI performance, but it's totally undocumented, so rockbox can't use it
20:27:57_gregoroviushate when that happens
20:28:16_gregoroviusreckon it's likely to get better with time, or are we at a dead end?
20:28:50linuxstbkugel: I've noticed you say "no success", but I don't know what you've tried.
20:29:13kugellinuxstb: I compiled a bootloader with your committed code
20:29:40kugeli.e. the lcd driver you wrote doesn't seem to work
20:30:13linuxstbWhat about anything else? Have you tried running code on your Fuze before?
20:31:22linuxstbIs the Fuze's LCD visible without backlight?
20:32:10bertrikkugel, did the backlight come on at all?
20:33:34linuxstbBTW, it wasn't a mistake to use the e200v2's backlight code in firmware/SOURCES, the mistake was committing an identical copy of it as backlight-fuze.c
20:34:10kugellinuxstb: my code as in?
20:34:42linuxstbkugel: ?
20:34:45kugelno, there was no backlight
20:35:13kugellinuxstb: sorry, missread. I have tried running code on the fuze before, why do you ask?
20:36:04kugellinuxstb: if it was no mistake, then name the file backlight-e200v2-fuze.c and put it in the parent dir, so it's not confusing...
20:36:36linuxstbYes, I was going to if it worked.
20:37:09linuxstbBut it's also the same code as the c200v1 and e200v1.
20:38:27linuxstbkugel: Is the Fuze's LCD visible without backlight?
20:39:46kugelI can't tell. Going from the OF it's not. But it could be that the OF clears the display when the backlight goes off, like rockbox does it on the v1 (where the of doesn't do that)
20:39:59kugelif it's visible, then very hardly
20:41:15jchillerupgevaerts: it is still rather slow
20:41:29jchillerupstill as in 'I have a build from July'
20:41:34jchillerupSo it might have changed
20:42:09gevaertsJuly is a long time ago in rockbox time
20:42:29kugellinuxstb: I'll have a closer look again
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20:45:09kugellinuxstb: I can't read anything
20:45:31kugelif the front plate is reflecting too much, so I can't even light it externally
20:46:09kugellinuxstb: Any chance you can find the button light pin? GPOID 7 didn't work on the fuze
20:49:24linuxstbThat's strange, becuase the Fuze LCD driver sets that pin, in the same way as the e200v2's LCD driver does.
20:49:55kugelok, I'll try again
20:50:41kugelWOW
20:50:50kugellinuxstb: COOL
20:51:17kugelbuttonlight works! And LCD too after I added _buttonlight_on() to sansa_as3525.c!!!!!!!!!!!!
20:51:30kugelSo cool, I saw the rockbox logo on my Fuze
20:51:43domonokynice
20:51:43linuxstbGood ;)
20:52:50kugelso great
20:53:02mc2739good work!
20:53:27kugellinuxstb: so, the backlight and lcd init needed buttonlight pin to be set
20:54:52linuxstbYou should experiment now - e.g. try not calling the _backlight_on() function.
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20:56:18kugelok
20:57:08kugelthe rockbox logo color was a bit wrong though
20:58:41linuxstbOh well, perfection would have been too much to hope for...
20:58:45linuxstbCan you take a photo?
20:58:57kugelI already did, wait for me to upload :)
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21:04:42bertrikmaybe we should create a little gallery or something
21:05:20linuxstbJust one more to go - the c200v2...
21:06:36kugellinuxstb: I posted to the forum thread
21:07:37*linuxstb agrees with Bagder - V2 owners need better cameras....
21:08:00kugelthe colors are just inverted. The logo background is light blue/teal. The rock in rockbox is black and the box is white
21:08:26kugelyea, sorry :( I'm not a photographer at all
21:09:25kugeloops, the coloring of "rockbox" is correct of course :S
21:10:31linuxstbCan you try this page? http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/fuze.diff
21:10:39linuxstbs/page/patch/
21:10:53linuxstbYou'll need to do a "make clean" and re-run ../tools/configure
21:11:04kugelok
21:11:11kugeli got a much better foto
21:13:07kugellinuxstb: I edited my post
21:17:36kugellinuxstb: worse than before
21:17:56kugelit's redish and rather pixel garbage
21:18:45bertrikhmm, so the buttonlight has some kind of magic effect on the display?
21:18:59kugelseems so
21:19:40kugellinuxstb: want another photo? or is my description helpful enough?
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21:20:53bertriklet's see if it can do some magic for the sd driver too ... :)
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21:21:13linuxstbkugel: No, that's OK.
21:22:07kugelany idea?
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21:28:34kugellinuxstb: I'll upload another svn diff to fs#9515, including backlight-e200v2-fuze.c
21:31:12kugelmy new backlight-e200v2-fuze.c doesn't show up in the diff, only "property change firmware/target/arm/as3525/backlight-e200v2-fuze.c"
21:31:35linuxstbHave you tested the backlight code there is definitely working? e.g. try removing the call to _backlight_on(), and also try setting it to different brightness levels.
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21:31:46kugelnot yet
21:32:39linuxstbMaybe that could be useful before uploading a new patch... Plus also trying to understand the effect of GPIO D7.
21:32:40kugelI guess I should do that before
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21:34:52kugelI'll just upload the diff, doesn't hurt
21:38:05kugellinuxstb: is ata_init() that endless loop?
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21:39:08linuxstbYou mean storage_init() ?
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21:41:39kugeluh, yea, I didn't do svn up since gevaerts commit
21:43:03linuxstbWhat do you mean by "that endless loop" ?
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21:48:43kugelit tells "loop X" and a an hex number in the next line, and x increments every second or so
21:49:57domonokythats the sd/nand test, waiting for the card to get ready..
21:50:35mc2739I'm getting this after gevaerts commit http://www.pastebin.ca/1242606
21:50:42kugelok
21:51:38kugellinuxstb: http://pastebin.ca/1242608 <−− this is my current bootloader file. The backlight only changes once and there's also only 2 printf "brightness level: ", with 0 and 1 respectively
21:53:33kugelit turns on with high brightness and buttonlight, then the screen is black and the buttonlight of for a split second, and then the screen is turned on with low brighthness and button light again
21:53:51linuxstbYou need to reset the "delay" variable in your loop, before the while(delay−−);
21:54:22kugeloops, correct
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21:56:49linuxstbAnd what happens if you call _buttonlight_off() ?
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22:01:34kugelwait a minute
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22:03:27bluebrotherdelay running upwards from a negative value looks kinda weird
22:06:08kugellinuxstb: _backlight_set_brightness is working
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22:09:23kugelI'll now add buttonlight_off() after the first and buttonlight_on after the second loop
22:10:36kugelthe buttonlight behaves as expected (as in only the buttonlight turns off not the whole backlight)
22:12:27amiconngevaerts: I don't seem to understand how this storage layer is intended to work
22:12:44amiconnIt still only seems to work if there's exactly one storage type
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22:15:40amiconnAnd I dont understand why you use inline functions instead of #define's for single-storage targets
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22:18:50kugellinuxstb: what could I try next?
22:20:07linuxstbSo if you call buttonlight_off(), the button light goes off, but the backlight and LCD stay on?
22:20:29kugelyep
22:20:51kugelI'll remove the _backlight_on() and see if the buttonlight keeps changing
22:23:30kugelOk, the backlight doesn't turn on anymore before the brightness loop starts, but _backlight_set_brightness will turn it on
22:23:45kugelotherwise everything normal
22:24:15kugelNow I'll try if " as3525_codec_init(); /* Required for backlight on e200v2 */" also applies for the fuze
22:25:23kugellinuxstb: have you already thought of a solution for the wrong colored rockbox logo?
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22:27:04kugellinuxstb: no, that as3525_codec_init doesn
22:27:10kugel't seem to be needed
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22:27:44kugelbertrik: what's the status of the SD driver for v2?
22:29:06linuxstbkugel: That's strange, as that function inits the i2c controller, and the backlight is controlled over i2c.
22:29:23kugelwait. I need to retest, the build failed without me noticing
22:29:36kugelevil shell scripts make life too easy
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22:31:05kugelok, it is needed
22:34:09kugelI'd like to get the buttons now :S
22:39:26linuxstbkugel: For the lcd, try changing line 229 of lcd-fuze.c from lcd_write_reg(0x03, 0x30) to lcd_write_reg(0x03, 0x7030);.
22:40:01kugellinuxstb: seems I have to revert my buttonlight findings. It's not required for the backlight.
22:40:22linuxstbSo the SVN code was fine all along?
22:40:26kugelI don't understand, but I couldn't see the logo before I added that
22:40:44kugellet me revert the bootloader to svn, then I'll look again
22:41:01kugelanyway, now it's working without buttonlight at all
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22:42:24kugellinuxstb: svn isn't working anymore. the storage_init bugs
22:42:43kugelgevaerts: ping
22:42:59kugelsansa_as3525.c:(.text.main+0xe0): undefined reference to `sd_init'
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22:44:06mc2739kugel: I'm getting the same - I reverted back to r18959
22:44:38linuxstbkugel: Just comment out the call to storage_init() in the bootloader.
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22:44:45kugellinuxstb: did that for now
22:45:11kugelmc2739: I bet gevaerts just forgot to properly port it to targets not on the build table :)
22:45:18*linuxstb will leave that to gevaerts/funman
22:46:40kugellinuxstb: Ok, svn works...I have now idea what happened when i tried it first
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22:47:44linuxstbOK, that's good.
22:47:45kugellinuxstb: should I change the line in lcd-fuze.c with your previous patch applied or without(svn)?
22:47:59linuxstbWithout.
22:48:42linuxstbBut if you had that patch applied, make sure you do a make clean and reconfigure.
22:48:56kugeli already removed it before
22:49:19kugelahh, now that's the rockbox logo how I love it :)
22:49:44Bensawsomehey guys i got a problem with my rockbox.... a day ago it was working fine but then all of a sudden it didnt let me switch to the next or previous song and i fi waited for the end of the song it didnt switch either.... Then I restarted it and it wouldnt play anythingh....... it just showed the now playing screen with nothing but blank text on it.... T_T
22:50:16linuxstbkugel: Cool ;)
22:50:42kugelvery cool, indeed
22:51:05Bensawsomeoh and also when I tried to refresh the database it gave me a prefetch error :S
22:52:01linuxstbkugel: Just after that line, in the same function, there is a big set of lcd_write_reg commands - can you try commenting them all out?
22:52:31kugelsure
22:53:06linuxstbBensawsome: Have you checked your disk for errors? e.g. with "chkdsk /f e:" on WIndows, or fsck.vfat on Linux?
22:53:38domonokyBensawsome: maybe check the DAPs harddrive with checkdisk or fsck.vfat..
22:53:51*linuxstb thought he just said that ;)
22:54:02*domonoky is to slow...
22:54:25Bensawsomeno but my normal firmware is working fine (sry i forgotr to mention i have the sansa e280R)
22:54:36Bensawsomemy normal can play songs and everything
22:54:54kugellinuxstb: no difference, working as before
22:55:39linuxstbkugel: OK, thanks. I'll now try and clean up the driver - I may have a patch for you to test later. I'll also move backlight-e200v2.c up one level in the tree.
22:56:04kugellinuxstb: or I just upload my svn diff to fs#9515?
22:56:26kugelbut you probably want to do more
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22:58:21linuxstb9515?
22:59:11kugel9512*, sorry
22:59:49kugelmy patch already contains a keymap and the sim build (without proper background image though)
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23:00:51kugelI'm just not sure about the svn move of backlight-e200v2-fuze.c, the diff doesn't seem to create that file but only change properties
23:00:56linuxstbI need to "svn mv" the file, and your patch won't do that. I would rather keep the sim code separate.
23:01:10kugelI did svn mv as well
23:01:33kugelOk, probably better to keep it seperate, yes
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23:01:46WarpTIhey
23:02:01WarpTIis there a way to change rockbox boot pic on c200?
23:02:03linuxstbkugel: Yes, but "svn diff" doesn't remember that fact.
23:02:03Bensawsomebut linuxstb do you think i should try maybe a fresh install?
23:02:12kugeloh, i see
23:03:00linuxstbBensawsome: I would still check the disk for errors. Maybe it has a problem that the Sandisk firmware can live with, but not Rockbox.
23:03:18Bensawsomeok do you know how to do that on mac?
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23:04:32linuxstbBensawsome: Sorry, no.
23:04:56Bensawsomeok thanks for the tip though :)
23:06:43Bensawsomeo wait i think i found it :D
23:06:58WarpTIi only find how to change rockbox logo for ipod users when i google it
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23:07:51Bensawsomelinuxstb it said Error: Filesystem verify or repair failed. :( so does that mean my drive is scrwed up :(
23:07:59Bensawsomewhen i "verified the disk"
23:10:23linuxstbI've no idea - I would suggest googling for those error messages.
23:10:34Bensawsomeok thanks
23:10:55linuxstbWarpTI: You need to modify the images in the Rockbox source code and compile your own version of Rockbox. The images are not user-configured.
23:12:35Bensawsomelinuxstb I think i fixed it :D
23:13:16Bensawsomei used the disk utility to repair and and once that was done asked it to verify it agaian and it didnt give me any errors :D
23:14:56Bensawsomeoh shoot I think I know why it gave me that prefetch error when i tried to reload the db... it happened before becasue i had too many songs :(
23:15:32Bensawsomewelll looks like no more giant db of songs for me :(
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23:16:19WarpTIso how do i change the rockbox bootpic on c200 sansa?
23:16:51WarpTIi mean any way to do it without compiling?
23:17:28WarpTIlike some kinda resource editor?
23:18:32bluebrotherno
23:18:54WarpTIdamn i guess that leaves me out of it
23:18:57bluebrotherthere was this logo swapper around, but why should we want to change the logo? To make it less Rockbox-ish?
23:19:12WarpTII wanna make my own Rockbox logo u see
23:19:14Bensawsomeya its like mutiny!
23:19:18Bensawsomelol
23:19:40WarpTIlike cooler look of rockbox text
23:19:55WarpTIcooler background etc
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23:20:19Bensawsomeits still mutiny ;)
23:20:28*bluebrother thinks the Rockbox logo is cool
23:21:27*Bensawsome does too
23:21:37linuxstbIs there anyone around with a c200v2?
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23:21:59WarpTIyea but its too small on c200
23:22:16WarpTIhigher res image of rockbox would be even cooler hehe
23:23:18WarpTIcan't be mutiny if i do that
23:23:49bluebrotheryou can't change that resolution without recompiling.
23:24:21bluebrotheryou couldn't do such a thing with a "resource editor" as you would mess up all resource addresses
23:24:33linuxstbWarpTI: It's really not that difficult to compile Rockbox, and it doesn't require any programming skills. There are plenty of instructions in the Rockbox wiki.
23:25:45WarpTIwell the image on sansa c200 is what size?132x80
23:26:05WarpTIand the rockbox logo pic doesn't take up that space
23:26:33*amiconn wonders why no one updated the topic
23:26:52WarpTIso its a minimized rockbox logo on less than 132x80 res but the logopic should take up the whole screen
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23:28:21Bensawsomeway the site is back up :)
23:28:36linuxstbWarpTI: Isn't the logo the full width of the screen?
23:28:47BagderBensawsome: right, since about 7 hours ;-)
23:28:59Bensawsomelol well the topic was that until now :P
23:29:08linuxstbNever believe what you read in IRC
23:29:10amiconnBagder: And why didn't you update the topic 7 hours ago then?
23:29:28gevaertsamiconn: it won't do multi-driver yet, but that shouldn't be too hard now that everything is in its own namespace.
23:29:29Bagderdoes anyone read the topic?
23:29:49Bensawsomeid did :P
23:29:52Bensawsome*i
23:30:19Bagderamiconn: I fixed the server and I let you do the easy part... ;-)
23:30:24amiconngevaerts: And what about the inline functions? You'll waste space and call overhead with every inline function you reference via pointer (because that forces gcc to include a non-inlined copy
23:30:47amiconnWith macros that won't happen
23:30:50WarpTIbtw i always wondered if rockbox could change the colour of the blue controller thingy , is that possible with rockbox?
23:30:58WarpTIon sansa c200
23:31:16*amiconn thinks that using macros for single-storage targets should be rather easy
23:31:34gevaertsThey need a bit of care to make sure they are not defined at the wrong place
23:31:54amiconnSince CONFIG_STORAGE is now a bitmask multi-value, it is possible to use the standard trick to find out whether only a single bit is set
23:32:01LloreanWarpTI: They're just blue lights, you can't change 'em.
23:32:35WarpTIahh i see the only way to change them would be hardwaremodding
23:32:46gevaertshm, indeed. I'll work on it some more tomorrow. At least the macros should be done then, not sure how much work multi-driver will be
23:33:02WarpTIhave a friend that had his sansa e200 with red lights
23:33:13BensawsomeWarpTI yep that a pretty cool mod :D
23:33:15amiconnMulti-driver will probably need the multivolume/multidevice rework
23:33:17WarpTImaybe e200 is different.
23:33:37BagderWarpTI: no, it's a hw mod on that device too
23:33:38gevaertsMulti-driver with one drive each is easy, but we'd better do it properly right away\
23:34:03amiconnWith multi-driver, the storage layer needs to translate drive numbers
23:34:15WarpTIjust wondering is it completely impossible to do via software mod ?
23:34:16bertrikkugel, funman probably knows the sansa v2 sd driver status best
23:34:34gevaertsYes. That's about the only thing it needs to do (that and making sure all drivers support drive numbers)
23:35:02bertrikAFAIK, there are two PL180 controllers in the SoC, one for the internal flash through an sd-flash bridge and another for external sd
23:35:04amiconnPerhaps it'd make sense to turn the volume id into a compound value
23:35:35LloreanWarpTI: It is impossible to do via software mod.
23:35:43gevaertsSomething like 4 bit partition+4 bit disk?
23:35:58gevaerts(or 8, or 16...)
23:36:01amiconnYes, and 4-bit storage
23:36:13bertrikwe can initialise the external flash, but not the internal flash yet.
23:36:36gevaertsAh, yes. That would make mapping easy
23:36:38WarpTIahh i see thx Llorean
23:36:51amiconngevaerts: Yup, just mask and pass-on
23:37:13gevaertsWe'd need a table with all active volumes I think, so the mount code knows where to look
23:37:23gevaertsBut that's not in the fast path
23:37:28amiconnYeah. The tricky part is to keep this table small
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23:38:34amiconnAs a side effect, this might also pave the way for logical volume support (the lack of this caused a few support issues in the past)
23:39:41gevaertslogical in what sense?
23:39:51amiconnhda5...
23:40:15gevaertsah, ok.
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23:42:33kugelbertrik: thanks for the infos. The SD is the only thing holding us back from booting a full rockbox, isn't it?
23:43:23gevaertsWould a power-of-two storage driver selector be faster than a "normal" number? You only need a bitmask then
23:44:30linuxstbkugel: Plus the lack of a full rockbox to boot...
23:45:03kugellinuxstb: well, obviously
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23:45:10bertrikkugel, indeed having a working sd driver would be the next breakthrough
23:45:23gevaertsI'd guess that a 32 bit table entry will be fastest anyway, so if we only have driver, disk and partition to store we can be a bit wasteful if it makes things faster
23:45:58*gevaerts will make a ramdisk driver to test the multi-driver code
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23:52:05kugelgevaerts: your commit broke storage/ata_init on v2 sansas
23:52:19kugeli.e. ata_init worked, but storage_init doesn't comiple
23:53:33*gevaerts looks
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23:54:32gevaertskugel: fixing now
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23:55:43gevaertskugel: done

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