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#rockbox log for 2008-11-08

00:00:26fmlkugel: I wouldn't typedef a primitive. Not in C, at least.
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00:01:57kugelyou won't, other would. Noone can know that when he first looks at a type
00:02:29kugelI still don't get why some buttons don't work in my fuze sim :(
00:03:26*gevaerts wonders what this "minor but still > 0" gain is from a typedef
00:04:32kugelgevaerts: did I guess your arguments right at least? :p
00:05:12gevaertskugel: typedefing just hides things. What's that good for?
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00:05:26kugelso, yes i did. cool
00:05:48kugelgevaerts: do you have an idea why some buttons don't work in my fuze sim? especially the home button
00:05:58gevaertsHow should I know?
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00:07:11kugelno idea
00:08:12*kugel wonders how long lambda takes to be at home
00:08:12gevaertsAnd no, you didn't guess my reasons entirely :) If you work with code, you need to know what things do anyway, so you have to look it up regardless.
00:09:07gevaertsBut that doesn't matter. I'm not the one who put that rule in CONTRIBUTING
00:09:13kugelbut the typedef hides things, so you need to look up even more/more often
00:09:37kugelah forget it
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00:10:48gevaertsI think it doesn't actually _add_ anything (in the common struct case anyway), so why use it?
00:11:13*gevaerts still waits for fml to comment :)
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00:16:31*kugel facepalms
00:23:43kugelgevaerts: would you please close fs#9512? I'm gonna post the fuze sim in a seperate entry
00:26:58gevaertskugel: done. And now goodnight!
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00:28:09kugelgevaerts: good night
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00:29:01webguest91Would anyone know why my archos recorder no longer has sound...unless I go all the back to to version 2.3?
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00:44:46fmlgevaerts: IMHO using typedefs for structs unifies code. I.e. you always have <type> <var>, with type being one word. This is of course a tiny bit.
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01:17:13woliis it possible to make the text in the theme biggeR?
01:33:02Unhelpfulwoli: select a larger font. that might break things, depending on the design of the wps you're using.
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03:24:42Bawitdaba`do normal ipod docks work with rockbox in terms of getting sound thru the dock?
03:25:04Bawitdaba`i got a 5.5g and im trying to play it via my home theater dock
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04:00:58lfaraoneDoes the iPod Nano 1g support video under rockbox?
04:02:18lfaraonescorche: ok, the docs (afaict) don't list supported video formats.
04:02:36scorchelook at the PluginMpegplayer wikipage
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04:03:41lfaraonescorche: ah...
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05:22:15gstoryI am trying to install rockbox on my Sansa e260 using the current utility 1.0.7. I am getting a download error 404. I was able to download rbutilqt without trouble.
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05:59:34gstoryNever mind, I did the manual install. I upgraded to a Sansa View so my e260 is "expendable". I like what I see so far. This is cool. Thanks guys for the work.
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06:43:17soapBawitdaba`, that is a complicated question. 1 - Any dock which "assumes control" of your ipod is unlikely to work (by assume control, I mean post a custom image and display its own menu). That style also needs the iTunes database to work.
06:43:32soapBawitdaba`, That being said - line-out should work just fine with stock rockbox.
06:44:36soapthere is no chance remote control buttons will work with stock rockbox, though a patch to add basic iPod accessory support exists in the patch tracker, might make it to main Rockbox soon, and is currently available prebuilt in the Unsupported Builds forum.
06:45:47soapMind you, some docks, for one reason or another, might want you to turn on the power supply from inside your ipod to the accessory dock port. There is an 'Accessory Power' option in the menu. Leave it disabled if you don't need it as it consumes a not insignificant amount of battery power.
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08:54:23reverieIf anyone is awake/active.. my folks are overseas and can get me a Sandisk View 8gb, I can't see anything specific on the Rockbox web page for the View model, is this a v2 Sensa ?
08:58:52J-23no, is isn't v2 Sansa, it uses different hardware
09:01:14reverieaah, I saw the article now
09:01:17reverieit's a work in progress
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09:05:36advcomp2019reverie, plus you could look in forums too
09:07:49reverieYeah, I just found it now, slow int connection here in south africa :)
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10:04:34inteliwaspi have a 4g ipod with r16365-080222 installed, can i use the rockbox utility or do i need to do something special?
10:06:25advcomp2019to upgrade?
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10:08:57advcomp2019yes, you can use the rockbox utility
10:09:11inteliwaspsorry i am so tired that i forget that i have not typed out half of my thoughts
10:09:30inteliwaspdo i use the full install or w/o bootloader?
10:10:43*inteliwasp rereads the discriptioon...
10:16:30inteliwaspprops to the person who made rbutility!
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15:37:37J-23no messages from 10:27 to now
15:37:40J-23heh :)
15:37:51J-235h 10m
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15:48:44kugelJ-23: well you destryoed the record ;;
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15:58:30kronfluxheyy everyone. just curious, but um, has anyone started any form of effort for a port to the SanDisk Sansa Fuze?
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16:02:39leachim6I just installed 3.0 ...or whatever the latest svn is
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16:04:37J-23kronflux: yes, we're hacking Fuze now too
16:05:20kronfluxso i just found. so theres been success in running custom code on it?
16:06:28J-23yes, LCD and internal memory work
16:06:43J-23and not all buttons
16:06:57J-23currently we're trying to read data from internal memory
16:08:23J-23Sansa v2 hackers: did you look at
16:08:27kugelkronflux: read the forum thread to be up-to-date
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16:13:28kugelfdinel: hey
16:13:43fdinelhey hello guys :)
16:14:52kugelfdinel: I've heard you have some findings with the fuze buttons?
16:16:49fdinela bit really
16:17:03fdinelI think I know the function where buttons are read
16:17:26fdinelbut it seems quite complex so I haven't had the time to really look into it yet
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16:17:54kugelah ok
16:19:22kugelfdinel: did you find the diagnosis mode? that's a special test mode active when you name the firmware fuzet.bin. There's one test which asks for all buttons
16:20:04fdinelkugel: didn't know that, I'll have a look at it then :)
16:20:35kugelyep, that could be helpful
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16:35:35J-23can't we copy SD code from other players?
16:37:23kugelJ-23: try it :)
16:37:36kugelfunman said much of the code from pp can be reused
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16:40:29funmanhi, i copied the sd code for PP targets and it works fine
16:40:47funmannow it just needs to be adapted a bit for the PL180 controller present in the sansav2
16:40:59bertrikfunman, I'm curious about the CSD and CID
16:41:57kugelchristopher street day shouldn't an issue :D
16:42:15funmani had dumped them, CID said 'SD01G' manufactured by '0x3' in June 2008
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16:42:32funmando you want the raw registers ?
16:42:43bertrikyes, please
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16:46:44funmanClip 1GB : CID 0x00008612802348294430314703534453 and CSD 0x92404018BEFBCFFF5F5983D35F5983D300260032
16:52:05funmani have some trouble using the pl180 fifo, perhaps it would be easier to just use the dma controller
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16:58:56bertrikfunman, I thought the CSD is also 16 bytes, but the CSD you show is 20.5 bytes
16:59:59funmani copied 32 bits 2 times, and one extra bit
17:00:18funmanreplace the 2 consecutives 5F5983D3 by one
17:01:33funman0x92404018BEFBCFFF5F5983D300260032 (in fact there is no extra bit, maybe the \n?)
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17:09:20kugelI created a new task for the fuze sim in case someone wants to commit
17:11:42funmankugel: search for HOLD in sim's button.c : it's not target specific
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17:13:31kugelfunman: that means? I've never used the hold button at all in the sim, so I can't tell anything about that
17:14:06funmanquoting you "PS: I've added BUTTON_HOLD for the sim even though no other target does this. I don't know why. You might change this."
17:14:09kugelI've searched for the hold button, but I didn't think about it rather (but I found some stuff)
17:14:41kugelfunman: yes, I know you're referring to my sentence. is there a generic button for hold in the sims?
17:14:47funmanuse 'h'
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17:15:30funmanplease ask someone else to commit it, my tree is rather dirty with SD code ;)
17:15:48kugelfunman: lol, I've never noticed h
17:18:50kugelah yea, now I found it in the code
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17:43:55RaVenhi :)
17:46:31RaVeni got a problem with my ipod vide,.. I'm not able to boot with the original frimware
17:47:24funmani think you have to use itunes to restore it
17:47:39RaVenso thats the biggest problem...
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17:47:52RaVenmy pc dont want to detect my ipod
17:48:13funmanput it in (disk,manufacturer,whatever google tells you) mode
17:48:36RaVendoesent work
17:48:57funmantry another cable, another usb port, another computer
17:50:25RaVenwhats the normal way to start the ipod frimware ? leftklick on start?
17:51:00kugelI think it was hold button
17:51:26kugelbut don't quote me on that, the manual will tell you
17:51:38RaVenhrrr ... i dont have an hold button.. hes defeckt... i*ll gonna buy a neew one next week
17:52:15kugelhave you tried booting to rockbox, and then inserting the cable (rockbox should reboot into disk mode then AFAIK)
17:53:43RaVenthe pc dont want to detect my ipod as an ipod... usualy i started my ipod, insert the usb cable, and select the generetic usb driver
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17:54:37kugeltry another usb port and remove some usb devices
17:55:47RaVeni gonna try with another pc.. this wont be succesfull with this pc
17:55:48junowhats the best rockbox supported mp3 player for under $120?
17:55:58RaVensansa :)
17:56:21kugelonly if you're lucky and get a v1
17:56:50junoother than sansa which player?
17:57:30kugelwell, non of the supported targets is in production anymore.
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17:58:30kugelplease use proper english words
17:58:38kugelas the guidelines told you
18:00:04junois there actually nice looking skins for rockbox? or do they not worry about the looks so much?
18:00:44soapYou can buy a refurbished Sansa E280 + 8GB microSDHC card, guaranteed to be a v1, for under $120.
18:01:12soapjuno, pick a player and look here -
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18:01:38junoyea, i dont really need 16 gig tho so if i did get one from froobi, i'd probably get the 8 gig for 60$ or w/e
18:02:02junoits just i'm hesitant about a sansa, dont see how there can be a billion refurbs of them around if they are actually good players
18:03:45soapYou're the one who placed a $120 cap on the price.
18:03:59funmanI got a "receive FIFO overrun error", not sure what that means: if I must request blocks of the size of the FIFO maybe
18:04:37junoand like i said size doesnt matter, i'd think 120 would be plenty
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18:20:37kugelfunman: you wanted me to test something on my fuze?
18:21:49funmannope, i thought the csd register was invalid, but i was reading the words of the register in the wrong direction
18:22:15kugel"for example, if you change the meaning of XPD interface with CCU_IO register, and then sets pin D7 high"
18:24:24funmanah this, if you can make a table of the status of buttonlight & backlight with D7 high/low, backlight register set/unset through i2c bus. don't mind about CCU_IO: just comment out storage_init()
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18:59:07kugelfunman: it seems the buttonlight doesn't work w/o backlight
18:59:49funmanok so the 'backlight' is in fact a (documented) power input, which powers the buttonlight as well as the lcd backlight. thanks for taking the time to look that !
19:01:44kugelfunman: you're welcome
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19:04:08kugelfunman: on the v1 thought it's possible to have buttonlight without backlight
19:04:27funmanand on the e200v2, and on the clip
19:06:54funmanthe power of the button light circuit is just not the same
19:07:37kugelon the fuze all buttons, the wheel and the wheel light is connected through a cable to the board
19:07:51kugelall buttons as in up, down, left, right and center
19:08:11kugelwhich isn't the case on a e200
19:10:51kugelfunman: that's also the reason I thought D7 doesn't work for the fuze in the first place
19:11:13funmanbutton_light == (d7 && power)
19:11:17funmanbacklight == (power)
19:11:38kugelbecause we had no backlight at this point
19:14:36kugelfunman: can I look if my microsd is recognized as well?
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19:28:28kugelfunman: ah, I see. HAVE_MULTIVOLUME isn't defined for the bootloader. Do you know the reason for that?
19:28:51funmanperhaps a bootloader doesn't need SD ?
19:29:35kugelwell, true for a working port. but debatable for a early port with only a bootloader
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19:33:10kugelfunman: so, my microsd is recognized as well :) I get a panic when it isn't inserted and a nice card ready if it's in
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19:49:52jhMikeSn1s: Still wondering about that tuner thing? I have no idea about those GPIOs.
19:50:57n1sjhMikeS: yes, i think maybe it would be something i could try getting to work as i really don't know what i should do with the clock changing business
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19:51:14n1sso how did you find the ones for audio? trial & error
19:51:17jhMikeSn1s: I can probe the tuner board to find out.
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19:51:30Reignerokhi everyone
19:51:33jhMikeSor the main board, whatever. multimeter.
19:51:51n1sjhMikeS: would be great
19:52:36Reigneroki need help: i've put new music in my iPod but I can't see it (neither hear it) with RockBox
19:52:55ZagorReignerok: how did you copy it to your ipod?
19:53:07Reignerokwith the RockBox Utility
19:53:31Zagorumm, does rbutil copy music files?
19:53:41Reignerokwith iTunes
19:53:47Reignerokas I do always
19:54:01Zagortry simple drag-and-drop instead
19:54:17Reignerokdrag-and-drop where?
19:54:35Zagorfrom your music folder, to your ipod.
19:54:49Reigneroki mean to what folder?
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19:56:31Zagorin rockbox you can browse your entire filesystem, so you can organize your files however you like
19:56:54Reignerokbut it won't work with the iPod OS, right?
19:57:19Zagoripod firmware only works with files copied with itunes
19:57:22bertrikjhMikeS, what tuner are you talking about, the one in the beast?
19:57:31Reignerokbut I don't understand why I can hear the old music (copied with iTunes) but not the new one
19:57:52rasherReignerok: You should also be able to play new music by using the Database. Do you perhaps need to update the database?
19:58:02Zagorrasher: ah, thank you
19:58:17Reignerokrasher: and how can I update it?
19:58:44rasherReignerok: In the main menu, open the context menu for the database item and select update, if memory serves
19:58:57rasherThe database can also auto-update, but I don't know if that's on by default or not (I'm guessing not).
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20:00:07Reigneroki'm lost, rasher
20:00:13Reignerokwhat main menu? RockBox's one?
20:01:04Reigneroki haven't any db item
20:01:50Reignerokoh, now
20:02:05Reigneroki've found it
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20:06:41Reigneroki've selected update, but it doesn't
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20:08:19jhMikeSbertrik: yes
20:10:37ReignerokZagor: rasher: it's OK now, thank you very much
20:10:47ZagorReignerok: great!
20:10:59Reigneroki didn't know about the db update
20:11:09Reigneroknow i selected auto-update
20:13:53Reignerokbye everyone
20:13:59Reignerokand thanks :-)
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20:19:06Zagorif anyone is curious (and haven't seen it already) I posted my "unified makefile" in FS #9534
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21:15:13qwmhow do i make rockbox play everything i have?
21:15:30Zagorqwm: make a playlist
21:15:42qwmthat's the only way?
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21:15:49qwmkind of in a hurry to head out for a run
21:15:53qwmoh no, it's scorche
21:16:01qwmscorche: i'll talk to you when i come back in an hour. :D
21:16:10qwmi run 10.8km a few times per week
21:16:13qwmthese days.
21:16:30scorchei just open the context menu on my "music" folder and hit "insert shuffled"
21:16:31n1sqwm: it's easy, just long press your music dir playlist->insert
21:16:34rasherThere used to be a menu entry somewhere that would create a playlist of the root dir, recursively adding subdirs
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21:16:56rasherOr if you have a top-level music dir, what scorche and n1s said
21:17:23qwmn1s: i love you. thank you. i head no idea about the long press thing.
21:17:34qwmand i've been using rockbox for two and a half years.
21:17:38qwmmaybe it's time to look at the manual.
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21:17:53qwmscorche: hehe
21:18:01Lloreanrasher: That would be the "create playlist" which takes all music in the current folder, and if "recursively insert" is on, all music in all subfolders.
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21:18:40n1srasher: it's still there in main menu -> playlist -> create playlist (it's dependant on the current dir the file browser is in though)
21:18:43LloreanIt's a pretty useful option since "Playlist->Insert" requires you to then name and save the playlist in order to use bookmarks, while "Create Playlist" automatically names it for you based on the folder.
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21:19:01LloreanAnd since it's now a file playlist, you can bookmark.
21:19:06n1sdoh, /me is too slow
21:19:19rasherAh, didn't know it was dependent on the current dir - I only ever used it once I think.
21:19:46n1sLlorean: i think that feature is pretty counter intuitive imho (the dependancy on being in the current dir)
21:20:01Lloreann1s: Dependency on being in the current dir?
21:20:23LloreanYou mean the "Create Playlist" option creating one based on the current dir?
21:20:27n1si mean that it is not immediately apparent that it works on the current dir
21:20:42LloreanThen update the name to "Create Playlist of Dir"
21:20:59LloreanOr "Playlist Current Directory"
21:21:02n1smaybe it would help if it splashed "Created foo.m3u in /bar" or something
21:21:08LloreanThat could do it too.
21:21:18rasherI think knowing ahead of time would be better
21:21:22LloreanI think it's obvious enough, there's no real pain getting it wrong once, and there's always the manual, but a little more hinting wouldn't hurt.
21:21:32Zagor"Are you really really sure?"
21:21:35LloreanIt's not like it takes particularly long even with a few thousand tracks.
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21:28:55*n1s has a feature idea for genlang, a string that is "" is always wrong in a dest if the string is not marked as deprecated so we could warn for this because it seems like it has crept in in a few translations
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21:36:48n1shmm, genlang does not check the description for the deprecation marker, it just handles them as empty strings...
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21:38:03rashern1s: it's not always wrong in the voice however (I "translated" the "o'clock" string into "" for Danish voice)
21:38:29n1srasher: true, i was not going to check voice
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21:39:17rasherAre you positive it's always wrong for dest? I can't think of any off the top of my head, but similar situations could appear in writing
21:40:30n1snot positive, no but also these empty strings are bugs, maybe it should be checked with a different script...
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21:42:19jchilleruprasher: are you from Denmark?
21:42:34rashern1s: Do you have an example of a language which such empty strings?
21:42:42jchillerupi suppose so.
21:42:45rasherjchillerup: I am, yes. Why?
21:42:51jchillerupI'm trying to port rockbox to nintendo ds
21:43:08n1srasher: i killed some in thai in r19037 for example
21:43:12jchillerup... together with a friend
21:43:22jchillerupWe don't have any rockbox code experience, however
21:43:49rasherjchillerup: Port in which way - replacing the firmware on the DS, or running the simulator?
21:44:16jchillerupnot sure what you mean; creating a .nds executable with rockbox
21:44:33jchillerupmoonshell sucks for playing audio
21:44:37rashern1s: Any languages with empty strings currently? I'm wanting to see if my translation webpage catches it
21:45:06n1srasher: i don't know, if i get my genlang hack working i'll tell you
21:45:42bluebrotherjchillerup: there are a few people interested in porting to the ds. IIRC bertrik was among them, and me.
21:45:45Zagorjchillerup: start simple. get a "hello world" program running. then make a simple beep program. etc.
21:46:05jchillerupbluebrother: fancy doing some focused work on it?
21:46:07bluebrotherthough I don't see why this is related to denmark :)
21:46:49gevaertsbluebrother: there's obviously something rotten there :)
21:46:54jchillerupnah, I was just thinking if there was a bigger developer concentration here, we could throw some kind of a party with, y'know, extreme programming and the like
21:47:03*jchillerup hates the term extreme programming
21:47:09bluebrotherno. At least I didn't have the time to look into that at all. And setting up the dev environment seems to be a bit annoying −− all those guides are windows specific, plus they use those nds libs ...
21:47:21*bluebrother suggests using XP instead :P
21:47:42rasherI think I've been the only Rockbox developer in Denmark for a long time. And I'm not much of a coder really, I barely touch any code
21:48:21jchillerupanyway, I have the nds build environment running, and I'm determined to dig into it for real soon
21:49:01jchillerup.. meh, you live pretty far away
21:49:07jchillerup(from me)
21:49:22gevaertsYou could move
21:49:34rasherBut that would interfere with his education!
21:49:55*jchillerup looks at his hostname...
21:49:56rasherJudging by the hostmask. Straying dangerously off topic now..
21:50:35bluebrotherjchillerup: running on linux or windows?
21:51:17bluebrothernice. Can you recommend a page describing what's needed setting it up? Building gcc / binutils is not the issue, but what else is needed?
21:52:30jchillerupthere is a devkit script
21:52:47LloreanIn terms of homebrew, it's as simple to run a compatible app as using an R4 Revolution kart?
21:52:59jchillerupLlorean: Yes.
21:53:01LloreanLast time i even looked at DS homebrew, you had to open up the DS and short a connection.
21:53:12jchillerupyou don't need to do that
21:53:21LloreanYou needed to a few years ago. :-P
21:54:02bluebrotherit's quite easy right now. Just put the nds files on the memory card and stick it into the DS
21:54:14jchillerupbluebrother: wanna start a port with me?
21:55:47bertriksorry, I'm interested in general nds homebrew, but not in a rockbox port to nds
21:56:07bluebrotherwell, my time for Rockbox is quite limited these days. But I'd definitely be interested
21:56:38bluebrotherI'm wondering if we could use the same gcc version as the ARM targets for Rockbox use
21:56:56jchillerupmost likely
21:56:58jchillerupARM code is ARM code
21:58:12bluebrotherwell, no idea if the other stuff in devkitarm requires a newer gcc
21:58:23jchillerupwell, that's a point
21:58:29Lloreanjchillerup: While this seems an obvious statement, we've encountered a at least one instance where GCC of differing versions seems to produce code that doesn't work any more, too.
21:58:34jchillerupwhat gcc version do the other arm targets use
21:59:18bluebrotherfirst I'd like to be able writing some hello world nds file. No idea when I'll find enough time for that though :/
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21:59:42jchillerupdevkitarm uses 4.3.0
22:00:00jhMikeSn1s: I've got the pins. I'll put in it the wiki.
22:00:14n1sjhMikeS: great, I'll look at it tomorrow
22:00:28bluebrotheroh, and the needed motivation. Reminds me that I wanted to get the sudoku patches finished ...
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22:03:58saratogahas anyone looked at the area sampling code in the bmp resize patch?
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22:04:43LloreanSounds like the DS devkit is C++ not C, too?
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22:05:33kugelsaratoga: isn't it the smooth resize already in svn?
22:05:36saratogaIIRC theres linux source code for the DS drivers, so that should be plain c if nothing else
22:06:19saratogakugel: theres one in the plugin api i think, but i'm refering to FS #9458
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22:06:33kugelsaratoga: I know
22:07:16kugelsaratoga: I refer to his comment from 28th october
22:07:30kugelSo, Imlib2 (and old GIMP?) uses "Area Sampling" for downscaling.
22:07:32kugel# "Area Sampling" algorithm is only for downscaling
22:08:00kugelImlib2 is the smooth resize iirc
22:08:25saratogaI'm asking how it works . . .
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22:19:31bertrikjhMikeS, several sansa v2's use a si4702 tuner chip. I think we should try to make a generic driver that would work both on the beast and the sansa v2s.
22:20:58bertrikto make that work, I think we only need to decouple the part that does low-level writing of tuner registers and the part that determines what to write into those registers and that implements the rockbox radio api
22:21:28bertrikBTW, I have the datasheet for the si4702/03
22:22:48n1sbertrik: that's a sound plan yes
22:23:02rashern1s: I guess you could generate a warning for those strings in genlang. The build table might be messy for a long time after that though
22:23:48rashern1s: do the strings appear empty in the resulting binary file, or is the english text used?
22:24:06n1srasher but this is sort of a hack, the desc string should be checked really and it that's not "DEPRECATED" dest should not be empty
22:24:08jhMikeSbertrik: on the beast, the i2c driver should do the trick. it uses another module but that just has to be enabled in the config.
22:24:27n1srasher: the empty strings are in the lng so they get used in rockbox
22:25:04rasherYeah, I think it should generate a warning then
22:25:36rasherMy guess is it'll take weeks, if not months before we get a green buildtable again though
22:26:12bertrikjhMikeS, are you working already on the Si470x driver?
22:26:44saratogai wonder if we even need area sampling provided we get a JPEG decoder
22:27:00n1srasher we could just delete the entries in the translations so the english strings get used instead
22:27:04jhMikeSbertrik: n1s wanted a crack at it
22:27:43jhMikeSI'm just tracing out pins
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22:27:52rashern1s: Yeah, I was thinking of that, but that breaks the translation for previously unaffected targets though, so I'm not sure that's better
22:29:01bertrikI'm assuming so far that si4701 and si4702 are quite similar
22:29:17jchillerupdoes rockbox have a SID/MOD decoder?
22:29:43jhMikeSbertrik: yeah, same info for the whole 470x series
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22:35:18rashern1s: an empty line has snuck into svenska.lang - next time you (or someone else) updates it, the header will get removed by genlang
22:35:50Lloreanjchillerup: SID, yes, but for MOD only some formats are supported currently.
22:36:22jhMikeSThe ports/pins page should really be split. It's rather unweildy editing for what it is.
22:37:04n1srasher: I think i will file a bugreport about this empty translation thing as i'm not sure how to do this in a good way in genlang and would like Bagder to comment but it is likely to be forgotten
22:37:08jhMikeSNot to mention anchor ambiguity
22:37:10jchillerupLlorean: right. thanks
22:37:41rashern1s: I'm looking at genlang now
22:37:53n1srasher: ah, will hold off then
22:38:54bertrikjhMikeS, yeah noticed that too as I was looking at your latest edit, maybe someone should split it by manufacturer?
22:39:22jhMikeSbertrik: As in split by major heading?
22:39:22n1sthere's a GigabeatSPortPins page too
22:39:52jhMikeSStill? I thought that got removed when they got joined.
22:40:13bertrikjhMikeS, yes
22:40:41n1sstill there but not linked from anywhere, but yes i agree they should not be in one huge page
22:41:19jhMikeSI guess use the current one with a table of links to the specific one
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22:42:04n1sSounds like a good idea
22:42:41n1sthere's a page for gigabeat F/X too
22:43:32jhMikeSYippee. Should be easy enough. I'll be sure to use the existing pages and update them.
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22:55:25rashern1s: Adding a warning is pretty simple, it turns out - I'm still not entirely sure we want to do it though
22:56:17n1srasher: IMHO it's better to know about it (and also simply delete these empty strings) than silently accepting them
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22:57:55rasherYeah, true
22:58:36rashern1s: patch:
22:59:07rasherThis won't be added to langfiles when updating, but only output to the console, of course. I think that's good enough though.
22:59:51n1slooks good to me
23:01:36rasherI can't believe I'm considering knowingly committing a change resulting in heaps of warnings
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23:02:37rasherI agree that it's bad to have these errors lying around though. I'll commit
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23:04:50rasherHere goes nothing
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23:09:19n1srasher: are you going to look at the warnings? at least some of them are easy to fix (like afrikaans where two phrases are completely empty
23:09:41rasherYeah, I'll look through them
23:10:32n1safrikaans also contains some of those comments that genlang outputs when updating
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23:11:31testaHi. I am having a problem with using microsdhc card. When I try to play some of the files on the card on rockbox 3.0, it starts playing in the middle of another mp3. Any idea why?
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23:12:05n1stesta: do they play correctly on a computer if you play them off the card?
23:13:31testaThats before I put it in my sansa. Afterwards it looks like the mp3 becomes corrupt
23:14:47n1shmm, there's a bug in the sd driver used on sansa's that can cause corruption when writing but it shouldn't corrupt a file that is not written AFAIK
23:15:44*funman tries to decode the meaning of this sentence
23:16:39funmanit should only corrupt a modified or new file, but not previously existing files which were not modified?
23:16:51rashern1s: hey, that's not too bad
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23:17:48funmanare non initialized C variables in .bss segment ? drive is used non initialized but should be 0 in firmware/common/disk.c disk_init()
23:18:26testaHmm strange. Maybe its the card that I bought. I will try it out on another one when I get a chance. Strange thing is that it works fine with my regular microsd card.
23:18:52n1sfunman: IIUC it can corrupt data but maybe even when reading but why would it write back the corrupted data to the file?
23:19:28funmanif the filesystem structure is corrupted, then every file will be I think
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23:19:42funmanI promise that if i have the same problem when writing the write code for sansav2 i'll have a look :)
23:21:18n1stesta: does it corrupt mp3 files when you just play them from the card and don't do anything else like copying files to the card?
23:21:46Lloreanrasher: I think 4 releases a year isn't bad since the hard "freeze" only lasts a week. But I really don't have anything against 3/year either.
23:22:21testaOne time I copied over 100 files to the card. After I played an mp3 on my sansa from the card, nearly half of the files were gone
23:27:31rasherLlorean: It's not something I feel strongly about - 3 months just seems "often", whereas 4 months seems like far longer, even if it's only one month difference.
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23:28:26LloreanI doubt many people will feel particularly strongly. It's probably something we could safely just hold a vote on and say "done."
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23:40:41rashern1s: well that was fairly painless
23:40:59n1srasher: yes
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23:44:19rasherAnd the only langauges negatively affected was Russian, Traditional Chinese and Korean, with only one phrase removed
23:45:26n1srasher: i wonder , in such cases if it is necessary to remove the whole phrase, will genlang not just ignore it if the targets don't match?
23:45:55rasherYeah, but the translator won't be told about this missing target, I think (which should be fixed)
23:46:28fmlSince a couple of days the irc reader doesn't correctly display the svn release links. There is no space befre a link. Could somebody tell why?
23:46:44n1sah, i thought mismatched targets were reported by genlang when updating
23:47:19rasherOnly if the source doesn't match. I guess I could've modified the source string as well
23:47:49rasherIn fact, that's better
23:48:11*amiconn dislikes images in websites with missing width and/or height parameters
23:48:20amiconnFor example
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23:53:06amiconnjhMikeS: It's nice to see someone is actually doing the PortPinAssignments page split
23:53:36amiconnHowever, I think that the coldifre targets should share a table, similar to how the SH1 targets share a table
23:54:15amiconnMaybe that'd also be a good idea for all PP502x targets, all PP5002 targets etc
23:56:05jhMikeSamiconn: Are all coldfire similar enough? I'm not sure I'd wish to mix e200 and H10 as they're very different.
23:56:41amiconnThe SoC has the same port pins, so this would be very good for comparison
23:57:39amiconnThe actual port pin assignments vary, but so they do on SH1
23:58:40jhMikeSI thought about such things but I've rarely had a need for comparison. Too much in one spot ends up lacking focus.

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