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| 00:06:01 | * | kugel wonders why rockbox-info.txt tells a different binsize than rockbox.bin |
| 00:06:02 | preglow | WOOT |
| 00:06:17 | razym | anyone? |
| 00:06:25 | preglow | fifo full |
| 00:06:29 | gevaerts | razym: have you looked in the manual? |
| 00:06:44 | Bagder | kugel: because it gets the size from the .map |
| 00:06:45 | kugel | nevermind |
| 00:07:00 | razym | rockbox... has a manual? |
| 00:07:03 | kugel | should visit an eye doctor |
| 00:07:03 | * | razym blinks |
| 00:07:12 | razym | e-gad |
| 00:07:15 | razym | it does have a manual |
| 00:07:45 | razym | you win this round gevaerts |
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| 00:09:26 | razym | okay, now that i skimmed through it |
| 00:09:37 | preglow | that was fast...... |
| 00:09:38 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: something is wrong at your end |
| 00:09:43 | razym | checked the whole thing for "charge" |
| 00:09:53 | razym | i'm not talking about the option to make usb charge it |
| 00:10:05 | razym | i'm talking about how it shuts down and goes into disk mode upon usb insertion |
| 00:10:50 | preglow | hold menu pressed (or something) pressed when inserting usb |
| 00:11:04 | preglow | you should charge in retailos anyway, i believe rockbox doesn't charge as fast as possible |
| 00:11:27 | razym | oh, i have another iPod using my wall charger and i'm too lazy to swap |
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| 00:11:40 | razym | i just need it charging, without killing the battery over time |
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| 00:12:36 | razym | but i guess i'll do that, then |
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| 00:18:37 | Hillshum | how do i compile without rocks? |
| 00:18:51 | Bagder | make bin ? |
| 00:19:06 | * | Hillshum tries |
| 00:21:28 | Hillshum | yup |
| 00:21:41 | Hillshum | but it doesn't solve my problem |
| 00:22:06 | Bagder | which is... ? |
| 00:23:54 | * | Bagder runs off to bed |
| 00:24:45 | Ctcp | Ping from gevaerts!n=fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts |
| 00:29:03 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: I've uploaded the new patch at fs#6800. test please |
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| 00:34:40 | preglow | shotofadds: oy |
| 00:35:08 | shotofadds | preglow: congrats on the SD progress, your asshatted-ness seems to be paying off ;) |
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| 00:36:08 | preglow | i only get fifo full on sdhc cards, for some reason |
| 00:36:25 | preglow | so i'm gonna comb through the init code and see what i do wrong |
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| 00:36:33 | preglow | but i'm gonna nail this shit now |
| 00:37:04 | shotofadds | that's weird, best of luck getting it working! |
| 00:37:15 | preglow | weird indeed |
| 00:37:45 | preglow | 1.x cards never seem to send data |
| 00:40:16 | shotofadds | Some other d2-news: I'm in the process of tidying up a new NAND driver ready for commit (maybe tomorrow?). It seems pretty reliable on D2 (and I guess iAudio7 too) and is approaching usable on M200 (+DAX?) too now. Turns out the do do indeed use a slightly different FTL scheme.. |
| 00:41:19 | preglow | sweetness, looking forward to it |
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| 00:41:42 | preglow | i expect it's read only? :> |
| 00:41:55 | shotofadds | preglow: naturally. |
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| 00:41:58 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: fixed! |
| 00:42:27 | preglow | argh, how that annoys |
| 00:42:34 | preglow | bloody telechips and their bloody custom ftl |
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| 00:43:58 | shotofadds | indeed, but I don't think write is truly unachievable - just very hard. my understanding is getting better as time goes on, someday I might get around to documenting it.. |
| 00:44:22 | preglow | that would be truly sweet |
| 00:44:46 | preglow | never rule out the possibility of some magic person just showing up and doing what needs doing |
| 00:44:53 | preglow | we've had it happen several times :> |
| 00:44:57 | shotofadds | btw, it's taken 1 year to get this far, take a guess how long it might take :> |
| 00:45:11 | preglow | i think things might speed up once we get the basics working |
| 00:45:19 | preglow | but we'll see |
| 00:45:21 | gevaerts | Have you made any progress with USB on the D2? |
| 00:45:26 | preglow | never even tried |
| 00:45:30 | faemir | can someone explain why my wake up alarm isnt working? |
| 00:45:36 | preglow | faemir: target? |
| 00:45:52 | shotofadds | gevaerts: no, I had enough success with the m200 to not worry about it. will try soon though. |
| 00:46:18 | faemir | preglow: ? |
| 00:46:25 | preglow | faemir: what player |
| 00:46:29 | faemir | ah |
| 00:46:42 | faemir | ipod 5th gen, my friend with an ipod mini 2nd gen wont work either |
| 00:47:15 | preglow | faemir: set the alarm to like two minutes into the future, then shut down immmediately and wait |
| 00:47:40 | preglow | there is a bug right now where alarm doesn't work if you set it, then turn the ipod on and off several times afterwards |
| 00:48:00 | preglow | which i've kind of forgotten about fixing |
| 00:48:22 | faemir | :P |
| 00:48:22 | preglow | don't really know how to either |
| 00:48:46 | preglow | faemir: if what i said doesn't work, something else is wrong |
| 00:48:48 | shotofadds | gevaerts: interestingly the m200's ums only seems to work in windows right now, and then it will only transfer a few MB before stalling. Last week it seemed pretty reliable in Linux, so I need to work out what changed.. |
| 00:48:52 | faemir | preglow: it's 3.0 btw |
| 00:49:36 | preglow | alarm shouldn't have changed much since i implemented it for ipods |
| 00:50:08 | preglow | another goddamn feature it turns out i don't actually use much myself, so i haven't tested it for ages |
| 00:50:12 | faemir | :( |
| 00:50:19 | preglow | i'll test it right now, tho |
| 00:50:57 | gevaerts | shotofadds: weird |
| 00:51:02 | preglow | will see if it works in four minutes |
| 00:51:12 | shotofadds | but right now I'm off to bed. hopefully tomorrow will see some good progress - these sansa-ams people are making us look bad ;) |
| 00:51:18 | preglow | yeah... |
| 00:51:21 | preglow | curse them for it |
| 00:51:37 | preglow | they should make us look good, tantilazingly good |
| 00:51:40 | preglow | but yeah, good night :) |
| 00:51:49 | * | gevaerts waves |
| 00:52:16 | shotofadds | it's quite frustrating to have Rockbox running on a new target, but with such large obstacles in the way of usability :/ |
| 00:52:17 | shotofadds | night all |
| 00:52:22 | faemir | preglow: nope |
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| 00:53:56 | faemir | preglow: it doesn't work * |
| 00:55:02 | preglow | faemir: works for me |
| 00:55:13 | preglow | my nano just switched on and started playing |
| 00:55:21 | faemir | is this 3.0? |
| 00:55:39 | faemir | preglow: and did you shut it off with music playing or paused |
| 00:55:44 | preglow | playing |
| 00:55:56 | preglow | and no, it seems to not be 3.0 |
| 00:56:02 | preglow | something a bit older |
| 00:56:17 | faemir | stupid 5 minute interval limit |
| 00:56:21 | preglow | heh |
| 00:56:29 | preglow | i'll try out a 3.0 |
| 00:56:32 | preglow | if i can find the usb cable |
| 00:56:45 | faemir | preglow: |
| 00:56:46 | faemir | erm |
| 00:56:55 | faemir | it pauses when i hold play to shutdown |
| 00:58:04 | preglow | well, then mine was paused |
| 00:58:15 | preglow | it doesn't matter, the alarm code cares little about paused status |
| 00:58:40 | preglow | by "little" i mean "not at all" |
| 00:58:45 | faemir | is it supposed to auto shutdown |
| 00:58:48 | faemir | cause the manual says that |
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| 01:00:25 | preglow | yes, it does |
| 01:00:27 | preglow | and no |
| 01:00:30 | preglow | not anymore |
| 01:00:43 | preglow | it used to be like that, we need to discuss if we want that to happen still, and update the manual |
| 01:01:14 | preglow | i don't see any reason for it to auto shutdown, but there might be a technical reason for why it has to do so on some targets |
| 01:01:28 | preglow | testing 3.0 now, will find out i five mins |
| 01:01:42 | faemir | preglow: mine worked |
| 01:01:47 | faemir | but my friend says his just turns back on |
| 01:01:50 | faemir | when he holds play |
| 01:01:57 | faemir | to shutdown |
| 01:03:02 | preglow | faemir: that happens universally whenever he tries to shut down, not only with alarm? |
| 01:03:14 | faemir | preglow: ah, it's plugged in charging |
| 01:03:23 | faemir | but he says it's so unreliable that he leaves it in cause of the dodgy battery |
| 01:03:29 | preglow | still sounds a bit hacky |
| 01:03:51 | preglow | yeah, minis get really dodgy after a few years |
| 01:03:58 | faemir | preglow: is it possible to have it off while charging? |
| 01:04:11 | preglow | faemir: i don't know, don't have a mini |
| 01:04:19 | faemir | well i presume it's a rockbox option |
| 01:04:50 | preglow | the whole power management and usb thing is very unfinished with rockbox right now |
| 01:05:10 | preglow | usb is almost quite 100% done, but a couple of small issues that prevent it from working |
| 01:05:17 | faemir | :( |
| 01:05:21 | preglow | and we need usb to work proper before power management can get better |
| 01:05:26 | preglow | 3.0 alarm works fine here |
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| 01:05:59 | preglow | and no, my nano switches right back on if power is connected |
| 01:06:17 | preglow | now that i think about it, that can't be helped |
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| 01:06:38 | preglow | the ipod hardware is what switches it back on |
| 01:06:49 | preglow | ipods aren't meant to ever be powered off while doing anything at all |
| 01:07:03 | faemir | oh dear |
| 01:07:08 | faemir | he can't boot into original firmware either |
| 01:07:19 | preglow | yeah, he can |
| 01:07:33 | preglow | enable hold switch early when he sees the apple logo |
| 01:07:49 | faemir | yes |
| 01:07:53 | faemir | it just flickers |
| 01:07:55 | faemir | every few seconds |
| 01:07:57 | Necromas | Why is it that business majors have such little math backgrounds? You think that'd be an important skill for a businessman |
| 01:08:13 | preglow | but really, when a mini has a dodgy battery, it will start to misbehave in really weird ways |
| 01:08:23 | Necromas | ya, ipods are notorious for data corruption on force quits or disconnects |
| 01:09:26 | preglow | but yeah, apart from the thing where alarm won't work if you turn it back on before the alarm triggers, it seems to work fine in 3.0 as well |
| 01:09:33 | preglow | and i'm not quite sure how to fix that issue yet |
| 01:10:03 | preglow | i will probably have to find out how the apple bootloader communicates the alarm status |
| 01:10:15 | preglow | and i'm not so bored as to find out that right now |
| 01:10:28 | preglow | or in the near future at all, i'm afraid |
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| 02:00:11 | FFForever | any news on ipod classic? |
| 02:00:31 | Necromas | still not rockboxable |
| 02:00:39 | Necromas | the 6th gen ones at least |
| 02:00:49 | Necromas | which they call "ipod classic" |
| 02:01:22 | FFForever | i just bought an 80gb classic black :D |
| 02:01:26 | preglow | i think you should basically just forget about it |
| 02:01:49 | FFForever | ... |
| 02:01:52 | preglow | years have passed, not even a single hurdle has been passed |
| 02:02:07 | preglow | apple doesn't want rockbox on those ipods, and has made it very hard to do |
| 02:02:08 | FFForever | :* |
| 02:02:16 | FFForever | :(* |
| 02:02:43 | FFForever | yet the iphone is hacked days after it is released :( |
| 02:02:48 | FFForever | and unlocked after a month or 2.... |
| 02:03:54 | preglow | yeah |
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| 02:04:11 | preglow | dunno anything about that, protection might be simpler or there might just be more eyes on it |
| 02:04:24 | preglow | but the challenge isn't nearly the same |
| 02:04:44 | preglow | have anyone actually replaced the os on an iphone? |
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| 02:05:47 | Llorean | Not that I'm aware of. |
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| 02:05:56 | preglow | well, there you go |
| 02:06:19 | preglow | not even on the iphone has anything even nearing what we'd need to do for rockbox been done |
| 02:06:24 | Llorean | The iPhone runs a modification on an existing, well known OS. It is designed to run third party apps, and they just got around how picky it is about third party apps, as far as I know. |
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| 02:07:12 | preglow | we'd need to decrypt the firmware, reverse engineer it, guess our way to how the hardware works, and first then start porting rockbox, which involved writing a fair amount of new code |
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| 02:07:28 | preglow | the process would take years if it starteed today |
| 02:07:37 | Llorean | preglow: I wonder if there's an attack vector by way of the downloadable games etc, rather than trying a firmware upgrade. |
| 02:07:46 | preglow | Llorean: probably |
| 02:08:08 | preglow | but we're not helped by the fact that most ipod users wouldn't dream of taking away the apple shine on it |
| 02:08:18 | Llorean | True. |
| 02:08:28 | preglow | i can't be bothered with more ipods nayway |
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| 02:11:07 | FFForever | preglow, they are working on linux :D |
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| 02:13:41 | preglow | who are? |
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| 02:18:22 | soap | anyone know how I can determine the "real" file path from wiki links such as: |
| 02:18:23 | soap | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewfile/Main/WpsIpod5g/BlackGlass_nonaa_v2.zip |
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| 02:18:56 | synergist | does wget show the redirected url? |
| 02:19:30 | synergist | not 100% familiar with twiki though, sry |
| 02:19:43 | soap | wget says "no such attachment" |
| 02:20:04 | soap | well, actually it's getting the twiki "no such attachment" page it looks like. |
| 02:20:05 | synergist | hmm. |
| 02:20:14 | synergist | yeah that url is a nonexistent file |
| 02:20:21 | synergist | ...apparently |
| 02:22:24 | soap | substituting /bin/viewfile with /pub and removing the ?rev=2;filename= works |
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| 02:23:39 | soap | I actually pasted the wrong link - the default wiki link would be: |
| 02:24:13 | soap | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewfile/Main/WpsIpod5g?rev=2;filename=BlackGlass_aa_v123.zip |
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| 02:25:38 | preglow | 1 |
| 02:25:44 | preglow | eh, sry |
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| 02:40:05 | soap | For the record, I talked to Senab about his "Black Glass" theme (there are 25 "children" of it in the galleries (mostly all graveyard, actually)) and he said he copied the elements directly out of Windows Media Player. |
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| 02:48:24 | gabe565 | hi, i'm new to the rockbox wiki and irc, could i have write permissions? |
| 02:49:26 | moos | Hillshum, I assume you are http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GabeCook ? |
| 02:49:44 | moos | oops hi :) stupid tab completion |
| 02:49:57 | gabe565 | yeah |
| 02:50:10 | gabe565 | I'm Gabe Cook |
| 02:50:27 | moos | what do you want to edit (out of curioisty) ? |
| 02:51:13 | gabe565 | I was going to put my name on IRC Nicks page |
| 02:51:49 | moos | ok, just like the tradition want, promise to not spam! :) |
| 02:52:09 | gabe565 | ok, I won't spam! |
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| 02:53:50 | moos | there you go, done |
| 02:54:10 | gabe565 | ok, thanks |
| 02:54:37 | moos | you are welcome |
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| 04:06:24 | patrussell | I posted an issue with Sansa c200 and Altec Lansing im510 dock on the forums and was asked to update the TWiki table but need write permission to do this. |
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| 04:10:20 | cool_walking_ | patrussell: done |
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| 04:11:55 | patrussell | Thank you. I'll get that updated. |
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| 07:09:47 | ameyer | what are the odds Rockbox will be usable on the Sansa Clip within 12 months or so |
| 07:10:22 | ameyer | where "usable" == plays ogg vorbis reliably and dual-boots |
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| 07:11:22 | B4gder | I'd say the odds are pretty good for that |
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| 07:18:49 | Llorean | I'll be very surprised if it's not usable within 12 months. |
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| 07:19:10 | Llorean | I'm personally betting on it by 3.3 or _maybe_ 3.2 |
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| 07:21:24 | ameyer | obviously, somewhat stripped-down |
| 07:22:19 | ameyer | on the other hand, if "they" ever add gapless playback to the Clip's OF, who needs rockbox? |
| 07:22:19 | Llorean | I don't think it'll be stripped down too much. |
| 07:22:44 | B4gder | Rockbox does have some pros other than gapless... |
| 07:25:04 | ameyer | well, the format support on the clip's resonably close to Rockbox's format support. |
| 07:25:39 | ameyer | close enough for me anyway |
| 07:26:18 | B4gder | if the audio playback support is all that matters then I can understand that |
| 07:26:39 | B4gder | but there are other targets with that support and their OF still don't even come close to rockbox |
| 07:26:50 | B4gder | in terms of usability etc |
| 07:27:13 | Llorean | And plenty of people *require* Rockbox for blind navigation |
| 07:27:26 | ameyer | I'll see how bad the OF is |
| 07:30:10 | ameyer | although crossfeed is nice |
| 07:30:18 | * | ameyer glares at the 60s |
| 07:35:09 | ameyer | anyway, woot.com currently has the Clip for $15.99 + $5 shipping (US only) |
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| 07:35:31 | ameyer | erm, 2 GB clip |
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| 08:21:48 | timsandtoms | Hey, quick question, the manual wasn't super clear on this... If I use the automated installed, will it set my 80gb 5.5th gen iPod to dual boot Rockbox and the iPod firmware, or will it replace the iPod firmware? |
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| 08:22:25 | advcomp2019 | timsandtoms, it will be dual boot |
| 08:24:14 | timsandtoms | advcomp2019, alright, awesome, thanks. How will I switch between the two? Is it similar to iPodLinux's Loader 2? |
| 08:25:37 | advcomp2019 | yea you can switch between the two but i am not sure how it works since i do not have an ipod |
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| 08:28:37 | Llorean | timsandtoms: Dual booting should be described in the manual. |
| 08:28:49 | timsandtoms | Ah, ok, thanks. All the google image results for "rockbox bootloader ipod" seem to be turning up Loader 2, so hopefully that'll be it |
| 08:29:00 | Llorean | It's not loader 2. |
| 08:29:06 | Llorean | And it's not much like loader 2, there's no menu at all. |
| 08:29:44 | Llorean | There are no image results because you normally don't see the bootloader. It's designed to go by as quickly, and unnoticed, as possible unless there's an error and it needs to report something |
| 08:30:10 | timsandtoms | Llorean: Oh, dang. So will I need to do a manual install if I want to use Loader 2? |
| 08:30:24 | Llorean | Yes, and we won't provide support for it. |
| 08:31:15 | Llorean | The bootloader is responsible for hardware initialization and third party bootloaders have in the past caused strange behaviour in Rockbox. While it's believed to be working right now, it's not considered a supported installation. |
| 08:31:17 | timsandtoms | Haha, thats ok. I've managed before, I was just hoping not to have to bother this time, and just use the easy installer ;) Ah wells. Thanks for the help. |
| 08:31:25 | Llorean | Why do you need Loader2? |
| 08:31:30 | Llorean | The Rockbox bootloader dual boots. |
| 08:32:35 | timsandtoms | Llorean, ah, my mistake, I assumed when you said there's no menu it meant no way to choose between Rockbox and the iPod stuff |
| 08:32:54 | Llorean | timsandtoms: No. As I said before that, the Rockbox manual describes dual booting... |
| 08:33:29 | timsandtoms | Sorry, feelin a bit out of it today :) Thanks for the help, I'll go check that out |
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| 09:55:39 | Zagor | there is no i2c define in config-mrobe500.h |
| 09:57:15 | linuxstb | The port is still in the early stages I think. Is it a problem? |
| 09:57:40 | Zagor | yes, firmware/SOURCES expects a CONFIG_I2C define to select source files |
| 09:58:20 | Zagor | the old build doesn't complain because we send all parse errors to /dev/null... |
| 09:58:40 | Zagor | I'm not convinced that's a good idea, so I don't |
| 09:59:01 | Zagor | if it doesn't have I2C support, it should be defined to 0 imho |
| 09:59:34 | Zagor | or I2C_NONE or something |
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| 10:00:41 | linuxstb | I _think_ that I2C_DM320 is the right one. |
| 10:00:57 | B4gder | it certainly feels right |
| 10:00:58 | linuxstb | The creativezvm has the same CPU (DM320) and uses that I2C define. |
| 10:01:15 | Zagor | ok |
| 10:02:31 | Zagor | is mrobe500 in such an early stage that I shouldn't worry too much about making it compile&link everything? |
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| 10:02:40 | Zagor | if has double audio drivers, for instance |
| 10:02:57 | B4gder | afaik, it doesn't yet have functional audio |
| 10:03:04 | Zagor | firmware/drivers/audio/tsc2100.c and firmware/target/arm/tms320dm320/mrobe-500/dm320codec-mr500.c |
| 10:03:07 | linuxstb | It's in the build table, so currently compiles cleanly. |
| 10:03:13 | Zagor | ah, right |
| 10:03:26 | * | Zagor dons the Holmes hat once more |
| 10:04:30 | linuxstb | The dm320 targets are a bit unusual - there's a DSP as well as the main audio codec (I think...) |
| 10:05:11 | Zagor | yeah, but it includes two different files with the same functions (audiohw_init etc) |
| 10:05:34 | Zagor | hmm, perhaps this works in the old build because firmware is a lib, so double functions don't cause a conflict. |
| 10:05:40 | B4gder | exactly |
| 10:05:42 | linuxstb | Yes. that does look very wrong... |
| 10:06:19 | Zagor | I'll leave it for now |
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| 10:07:05 | Zagor | should I commit the i2c config change? |
| 10:07:16 | Zagor | who's working on this port? |
| 10:07:31 | n1s | JdGordon: and kkurbjun i think' |
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| 10:43:13 | amiconn | linuxstb: I have a few questions regarding libdemac |
| 10:43:53 | linuxstb | You probably know the code better than me by now, but ask away... |
| 10:44:13 | amiconn | First I'd like to know whether it would make sense to have a central .h file instead of several, which defines build-time parameters |
| 10:45:02 | amiconn | I think that using 32 bit ints for the filters will be faster on arm7, but *only* there. So I'd like to make that type a macro (or typedef...) |
| 10:46:47 | amiconn | Second, I wonder what would be the best way to split the decode_chunk() function for dual-core operation, without giving up the universal character of the lib |
| 10:47:10 | amiconn | I want to put the entropy decoding on the CPU, and filter+predictor on the COP |
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| 10:50:19 | linuxstb | There probably are too many .h files at the moment - maybe something like "demac.h" for the public API, and then "demac_internal.h" for the private functions/types ? |
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| 10:51:17 | linuxstb | I'm not sure what you mean by "universal character of the lib" ? |
| 10:54:09 | amiconn | Right now decode_chunk() does everything to decode an ape bytestream into pcm data. For dual core operation, I either need to split it, or put rockbox specific code into the lib |
| 10:55:04 | Zagor | another config bug: creative zvm does not have LCD_REMOTE_DEPTH defined |
| 10:55:17 | amiconn | Imho that the first option is the way to go, but then the lib either has two different interfaces, or all callers need to be changed |
| 10:56:26 | linuxstb | amiconn: As long as the standalone demac program can still be built, I don't mind what you do. AFAIK, no-one outside Rockbox is using libdemac. |
| 10:56:43 | amiconn | Doesn't ffmpeg use it? |
| 10:57:09 | linuxstb | Not directly - they wrote their own decoder, based on libdemac. |
| 10:57:11 | * | amiconn also never tried to build the standalone decoder |
| 10:58:32 | * | linuxstb spots that it's broken ;) |
| 10:58:36 | Zagor | 182 files changed, 1492 insertions(+), 3463 deletions(-) ... |
| 10:59:25 | amiconn | libmad does have such an api with several functions where each one is only performing part of the decoding. |
| 10:59:39 | amiconn | linuxstb: oh? |
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| 11:00:39 | linuxstb | Type "make" in apps/codecs/demac/ |
| 11:04:25 | Zagor | does creative zvm even have a remote? |
| 11:05:37 | Zagor | I find a remote, but not with display |
| 11:06:23 | B4gder | maybe that's why depth isn't defined... |
| 11:06:31 | Zagor | "Optional wired remote, no LCD" |
| 11:07:06 | Zagor | yeah but then configure shouldn't output BMP2RB_REMOTENATIVE |
| 11:07:20 | * | Zagor fixes |
| 11:09:16 | Zagor | oops. doom/i_video.c:281:2: error: #error Keymap not defined! |
| 11:09:22 | Zagor | no doom for you! |
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| 11:10:57 | Zagor | perhaps I should look at the PLUGINS variable :) |
| 11:13:34 | Zagor | should we perhaps use ccache for genlang too? |
| 11:13:48 | B4gder | we should! |
| 11:13:55 | Zagor | or is ccache "too clever"? |
| 11:14:12 | B4gder | I don't know |
| 11:14:19 | B4gder | it might be |
| 11:16:25 | * | B4gder realizes a proper setup at home would be done so that the rbclient's ccache is shared with your regular user |
| 11:16:40 | Zagor | indeed |
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| 11:40:26 | solrize_ | i'm nuts, i ordered three of the sansa clips from woot |
| 11:40:43 | solrize_ | if any of the rockbox devs want one i can donate one |
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| 11:42:37 | linuxstb | solrize_: We're keen to find the so-called "version 2" clips. These are identified by running a v2.x.y original firmware, but don't seem very widespread yet. |
| 11:42:49 | linuxstb | Or at least, I'm keen... |
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| 11:45:43 | linuxstb | gevaerts: I think Rockbox's FLAC decoder is pretty much optimised to death. I'm not sure how much has been done on wavpack though. Apple Lossless has hardly been optimised at all, so there is potential there |
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| 11:46:39 | drewbs | hrm why is it i cant get themes to load properly? :( i cant seem to find any information on it |
| 11:47:20 | linuxstb | drewbs: Where are you getting the themes from? Some third-party sites have very old themes not compatible with current Rockbox versions. |
| 11:47:37 | drewbs | rockbox.org |
| 11:47:57 | linuxstb | Where exactly? |
| 11:48:11 | drewbs | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g |
| 11:48:28 | linuxstb | Which theme(s) have you tried? |
| 11:48:56 | linuxstb | And how are you installing them? |
| 11:49:25 | gevaerts | linuxstb: wavpack may be interesting, but I personally don't care at all about Apple Lossless. But since I'm not planning to do any work on this myself, this is pretty academic anyway |
| 11:49:53 | drewbs | im putting them in .rockbox |
| 11:50:04 | drewbs | ive tried a handful |
| 11:50:17 | drewbs | im beginning to think i might have been grabbing the wrong versions of themes |
| 11:50:20 | linuxstb | I would guess Apple Lossless is the most-used Rockbox lossless codec after FLAC though. But that's just a guess... |
| 11:50:20 | drewbs | given my generation |
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| 11:51:10 | linuxstb | drewbs: When you've installed the theme, do they show up in "browse themes" ? |
| 11:52:13 | gevaerts | linuxstb: maybe, but I wouldn't even know how to encode them |
| 11:52:45 | linuxstb | gevaerts: Up to recently, you needed itunes (or I think dbpoweramp), but I think ffmpeg now has an encoder. |
| 11:53:08 | drewbs | yeah they do |
| 11:54:30 | solrize_ | linuxstb these clips i'm getting are woot refurbs so they are probably the old version |
| 11:56:43 | drewbs | hrm |
| 11:56:47 | drewbs | they seem to be working now |
| 11:56:51 | drewbs | just had the wrong generation |
| 11:57:03 | drewbs | its always something stupid :P |
| 11:58:12 | linuxstb | wrong generation? You mean you don't have a 5g ipod? |
| 11:59:59 | kugel | solrize_: unfortunately we already have a plenty of clips among the devs, since it's the cheapest ams sansa. Although more can't hurt |
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| 12:00:23 | kugel | solrize_: as far as I see we're lacking a) clipv2 and b) c200v2 |
| 12:02:21 | solrize_ | yeah i don't think i have any of those but will see when they arrive |
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| 12:14:11 | kugel | linuxstb: how about a survey? when someone visits rockbox.org he gets a pop up to select his most used codecs. After one did that he would never see this pop up again |
| 12:14:39 | kugel | I'm quite curious which codecs are most common and which not |
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| 12:20:13 | LinusN | i would be surprised if it wasn't mp3 |
| 12:20:29 | LinusN | oh lossless |
| 12:20:48 | * | LinusN crawls back under his rock |
| 12:21:15 | drewbs | listening to lossless on earbuds |
| 12:21:17 | drewbs | is lol |
| 12:21:29 | linuxstb | Yes, I would expect mp3 to be #1 lossy, followed quite a way behind by vorbis. FLAC would be #1 lossless, followed by ALAC. All others would be a tiny minority. |
| 12:22:12 | linuxstb | Although maybe AAC would have a fair number of users amongst ipod owners. |
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| 12:36:14 | preglow | wavpack can probably be optimized a bit more |
| 12:36:25 | preglow | but it is pretty optimized, david himself saw to that |
| 12:36:36 | preglow | why do we wonder about codec popularity, btw? |
| 12:36:46 | preglow | is alac still dog slow? |
| 12:36:52 | linuxstb | But did he concentrate on lossy, or lossless as well? Or are they very closely linked? |
| 12:37:07 | linuxstb | preglow: Yes, I don't think anyone has touched alac. |
| 12:37:23 | preglow | those two are very closely linked |
| 12:37:26 | linuxstb | I think it needs some overall restructuring, then asm functions adding. |
| 12:37:31 | preglow | i don't think lossy decoding differs from lossless |
| 12:37:47 | preglow | that whole adaptive fir algorithm will make optimizing less efficient, tho |
| 12:38:04 | preglow | i wonder how they manage to get so low compression ratios with such a complex algo |
| 12:38:35 | linuxstb | Maybe they've optimised the encoder for speed? IIRC, itunes has no settings for alac encoding. |
| 12:39:35 | linuxstb | It would be interesting to see how ffmpeg's encoder compares. |
| 12:39:43 | preglow | i don't see why they would have chosen that algo at all if speed was an issue |
| 12:39:55 | preglow | the flac way of doing things really should suffice |
| 12:40:54 | preglow | do ffmpeg have a decoder of their own? |
| 12:41:13 | linuxstb | They have both an encoder and decoder now. |
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| 12:42:29 | preglow | would be interesting to check out |
| 12:42:40 | preglow | but yeah, why do we wonder what's the most popular? |
| 12:42:49 | preglow | we gonna start ditching codecs soon? :> |
| 12:43:01 | linuxstb | Just curiousity... |
| 12:43:43 | linuxstb | But I agree it won't affect anything in practice. |
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| 12:46:41 | preglow | would be cool to see a statistic on it, or something, but i guess we won't even get the majority of users to participate |
| 12:46:59 | preglow | i also guess the results would be kind of obvious :) |
| 12:47:09 | preglow | with mp3, vorbis and flac being high up |
| 12:47:28 | preglow | shouldn't overlook aac either, of course |
| 12:47:38 | Zagor | is there a reason for using -fno-builtin for the sims? |
| 12:50:54 | preglow | probably |
| 12:51:03 | preglow | but who knows, lots of things have changed |
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| 13:08:03 | SpyderZ | HELP!!! |
| 13:08:32 | SpyderZ | I mistakenly removed rockbox before i removed the bootloader. |
| 13:08:57 | SpyderZ | now my ipod wont start, and I don't want to reset my ipod |
| 13:10:36 | linuxstb | 1) DON'T PANIC!!! |
| 13:10:50 | SpyderZ | okay |
| 13:11:02 | linuxstb | 2) Hold MENU+SELECT to reboot, then immediately turn on the hold switch. That should start the Apple firmware. |
| 13:12:08 | SpyderZ | Thank you soo much |
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| 13:13:54 | bodymind | lol |
| 13:14:02 | bodymind | linuxstb: aw right \m/ |
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| 13:33:07 | Starfire | Hi, I'm a complete newbie with rockbox so please bear with me :-) I have installed it and got it working fine on my Ipod 4th gen, but the issue is battery charging - it doesn't seem to! |
| 13:33:44 | Starfire | I have it connected via USB to mylaptop but have also tried directly into my computer, rockbox shows the charging indicator but it fails to charge |
| 13:34:00 | Starfire | if I reboot into the apple f/w I can get it to charge fine via my laptop |
| 13:34:11 | Starfire | is this a known issue, fault on my behalf etc? |
| 13:35:00 | advcomp2019 | that is normal for the some of the PP targets.. the PP targets does not have full usb support yet |
| 13:35:21 | Starfire | PP targets? |
| 13:35:36 | LambdaCalculus37 | PortalPlayer. That's the name of the chip in the iPod. |
| 13:35:59 | * | gevaerts disagrees. Charging has nothing at all to do with usb support |
| 13:36:06 | Starfire | so you are saying that ipod 4th gen cannot be charged via usb when using rockbox? |
| 13:36:29 | Starfire | :-( |
| 13:36:57 | gevaerts | It depends. It somewhat works for some people, but not for others |
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| 13:37:05 | advcomp2019 | oops.. i forgot the plus in the second part |
| 13:38:40 | Starfire | so in my case the only way to charge it will be to boot back into the ipod firmware? |
| 13:38:59 | Starfire | sorry apple f/w |
| 13:39:27 | linuxstb | gevaerts: Doesn't Rockbox have to request 500mA from the host? I thought the issue was that without doing anything special, only 100mA was provided (but I am very likely completely wrong...) |
| 13:40:24 | gevaerts | linuxstb: you have to request 500mA, but (a) we do, and (b) while the spec says you have to request it, in practice nobody cares and you get whatever you want anyway |
| 13:41:03 | gevaerts | (except on bus powered hubs, where you can cause real trouble by using too much) |
| 13:42:54 | linuxstb | gevaerts: Rockbox does that on all PP targets? |
| 13:43:10 | gevaerts | yes |
| 13:44:12 | linuxstb | Do you know where? |
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| 13:44:59 | Starfire | I have tried both yes and no for "Charge during USB connection" setting which mentions 500mA in the manual. So anyway I can charge while still using Rockbox? |
| 13:45:02 | gevaerts | Somewhere in usb_core.c. There's also a function that you can use to ask if the host approved it |
| 13:45:59 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: test test :) |
| 13:46:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: Yes yes. :) |
| 13:47:07 | * | LambdaCalculus37 is joining in on the AMS Sansa fun |
| 13:47:34 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: I just bought a Sansa Clip, so I'm going to jump in on the porting fun. |
| 13:47:40 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: cool |
| 13:49:26 | kugel | I have a slight suspicion that SanDisk made the clip only for rockbox devs: cheap and interesting to port device (because of the small room for features). |
| 13:49:53 | linuxstb | It's not that small - 2.3MB is ample. |
| 13:50:05 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: Did you post a new patch? |
| 13:50:07 | JdGordon | 2.3mb makes it more annoying than just .3 |
| 13:50:24 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: yep |
| 13:50:38 | kugel | JdGordon: then throw the 2. away :) |
| 13:50:46 | kugel | who needs it anyway |
| 13:51:13 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: 2 minutes after your post yesterday |
| 13:51:25 | Starfire | Please chaps, anyway I can charge then while using rockbox? is this an issue with all ipod 4th gen, or for some reason just my ipod? |
| 13:51:56 | LambdaCalculus37 | Starfire: Try holding the MENU button as you plug in your iPod. |
| 13:52:56 | Starfire | I also tried this, it keeps rockbox running but it still shuts down with a flat battery so doesn't seem to make any difference |
| 13:52:57 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: Just got the patch. I've gotta run to work now, but I'll run a make session when I get there. |
| 13:53:13 | kugel | nice |
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| 13:54:02 | kugel | Starfire: I think it has been said, charing is an issue on PP targets |
| 13:54:44 | Starfire | OK. Its just I saw no mention of this in the manual at all so thought I would ask. |
| 13:54:55 | Starfire | Is this fixable in a future version of rockbox? |
| 13:56:12 | JdGordon | that is the hope |
| 13:56:48 | Starfire | ok cheers, any bug I can track? |
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| 14:01:47 | kugel | Starfire: according the flyspray, there's ~200 bugs to track |
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| 14:03:16 | Starfire | 200 bugs for charging? oh..... |
| 14:03:24 | Starfire | Thanks for your assistance. |
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| 14:22:09 | n1s | solrize_: if you want to donate a clip, I'd be happy to take it :) |
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| 15:14:09 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: are you already at work? |
| 15:14:28 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: Yes. I'm setting up my Mac. |
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| 15:18:49 | LambdaCalculus37 | Okay, all set up. Let's build this sucker. :) |
| 15:20:55 | * | LambdaCalculus37 runs make |
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| 15:21:13 | * | Zagor surrenders and goes back to libfirmware.a |
| 15:22:09 | markun | Zagor: what will it be used for? |
| 15:22:36 | Zagor | it contains all code from firmware/* |
| 15:23:03 | n1s | Zagor: what would be the benefit of not having it in a library? |
| 15:23:22 | Zagor | n1s: none, really. just a few lines less in the makefiles |
| 15:23:54 | Zagor | or, there is the benefit of actually seeing when we have duplicated code |
| 15:24:05 | Zagor | with a library, that gets hidden |
| 15:24:46 | Zagor | but I don't feel like tackling that problem in the same (huge) patch as the new make system |
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| 15:30:16 | Zagor | why is it important to chmod -x on simulator .codecs? |
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| 15:33:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: Successful build. :) |
| 15:34:32 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: I expected that, since I tested building |
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| 15:35:10 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: I'm going to install it. |
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| 15:41:01 | Zagor | umm, do we really support any sims other than sdl? tools/configure doesn't seem to do it, at least |
| 15:41:41 | Zagor | who has built a win32 sim lately? |
| 15:43:19 | kugel | Zagor: what's wrong with sdl? |
| 15:43:54 | Zagor | nothing. but the makefiles are full of ifdefs for x11 and win32 sims too, and I wonder if those are really alive. |
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| 15:44:28 | kugel | no idea. I always thought it's enough if you compile the sim with mingw instead of gcc |
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| 15:45:36 | markun | Zagor: I think we only support SDL |
| 15:46:32 | markun | will you remove it in the same patch? |
| 15:47:06 | Zagor | well if we don't support more than sdl I don't see a reason for copying old deprecated build rules to my new files |
| 15:51:09 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: Your patch is causing backlight fade in problems again. |
| 15:51:24 | kugel | ok |
| 15:51:28 | LambdaCalculus37 | If I let the backlight fade out entirely, it won't fade back in, or even turn on for that matter. |
| 15:51:41 | kugel | I'll see |
| 15:58:15 | PaulJam | dionoea: i was just wondering: are you still working on FS #9368 ? |
| 15:59:12 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: but it fades out? and, if you interupt it while fading out does it then fade in again? |
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| 16:01:12 | linuxstb | Zagor: Some of the old x11/win32 specific makefile code has been removed, but not all. So IMO you can finish that cleaning job. |
| 16:01:19 | Zagor | good |
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| 16:02:17 | Zagor | god I hate include order bugs |
| 16:02:41 | Zagor | they're strong indications of an unhealthy code base |
| 16:06:29 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: If I interrupt it while fading out, it "sticks" at the brightness level it reached, but if I go to adjust the brightness settings, it'll immediately jump to that value (e.g. set at 20, backlight fades to 10, adjust to 21 and it jumps to the 21 value). |
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| 16:20:05 | Photoguy | I'm having database trouble.. |
| 16:20:47 | Photoguy | I just reformatted my Sansa, and then reinstalled Rockbox... |
| 16:21:21 | Photoguy | But every time I try to access the database, it says "Database not ready" |
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| 16:21:52 | Sarquah | Hi |
| 16:22:15 | Photoguy | So, I update it, that worked fine, or so I though, but then when I rebooted, the datbase was full of duplicated MP3s! |
| 16:22:37 | Photoguy | For each song in an album, there where about the songs! |
| 16:22:39 | Photoguy | ... |
| 16:22:43 | Photoguy | Hi. |
| 16:22:46 | Sarquah | We are some students that are doing a poster about rockbox. We would like to know what type of OS structure, rockbox is.. Is it Monolithic? |
| 16:24:16 | markun | Sarquah: yes, it is. Wait, I'll look up a wiki page. |
| 16:24:36 | markun | Sarquah: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxArchitecture |
| 16:25:09 | Sarquah | But ive looked there.. |
| 16:25:13 | markun | Photoguy: don't know what it could be.. |
| 16:25:28 | Photoguy | Ok. |
| 16:25:38 | Sarquah | Its like I cant see why it is monolithic |
| 16:25:44 | Photoguy | Bother, It's driving me Bananas! |
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| 16:26:01 | Sarquah | If a teacher asks me why Rockbox is monolithic I cant really answer :P |
| 16:26:28 | Zagor | Sarquah: what is a monolithic os? I've heard of monolithic kernel, but not os. |
| 16:26:44 | Sarquah | True |
| 16:26:56 | markun | Sarquah: what would be the alternative? Microkernel? |
| 16:27:21 | Sarquah | Hmm I don't know.. my first guess would also be monolithic |
| 16:27:29 | Sarquah | But.. why.. |
| 16:27:41 | markun | I mean, if it wasn't monolithic, what other options would there be |
| 16:28:00 | Sarquah | oh |
| 16:28:04 | Zagor | monolithic kernels are kernels where everything is done by the same blob. the other alternative is distribution of code into several processes (or some such concept) |
| 16:28:17 | Sarquah | Microkernel, exokernel, layered structure, client-server |
| 16:28:28 | Zagor | if that is what you mean, we are definitely monolithic |
| 16:28:46 | markun | we even have font support and all the drivers in the kernel |
| 16:28:53 | Sarquah | good |
| 16:28:57 | Sarquah | Nice answer markun :D |
| 16:29:01 | Zagor | markun: if you define that as kernel |
| 16:29:19 | Zagor | you can also say we have a kernel that is just a couple of hundred bytes |
| 16:30:07 | Sarquah | I see you have as few system calls as possible.. |
| 16:30:14 | Juxta | markun you rock.. you know so much |
| 16:30:27 | markun | Juxta: what? |
| 16:30:41 | Sarquah | Juxta is my partner in this poster :) |
| 16:30:43 | Zagor | Sarquah: yeah, 0 is pretty much as few as possible :) |
| 16:30:45 | Juxta | you a capable of answering all the questions all the time |
| 16:30:45 | markun | ah :) |
| 16:31:07 | Juxta | we're a bunch of noobs and needed a guy like you to save our asses |
| 16:31:21 | markun | well, don't always trust my answers. Better listen to Zagor if it's about the rockbox kernel. |
| 16:31:43 | Zagor | we don't have a kernelmode/usermode distinction, so you can say everything or nothing is the kernel. it's all just code that is doing its' job. |
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| 16:31:55 | Sarquah | ok |
| 16:32:00 | Sarquah | hm |
| 16:32:17 | Zagor | we like to keep it simple |
| 16:32:24 | Juxta | would rockbox work on a "clean" audio player without any native OS ? |
| 16:32:34 | Zagor | Juxta: yes, that is what rockbox does |
| 16:32:45 | Zagor | it does not run on top of any OS |
| 16:32:55 | Sarquah | ok |
| 16:33:58 | Juxta | ok. what about recharging and loading files from pc etc? i read something about rockbox could be installed on an ipod but the old firmware would not be deleted because it was used for recharging and loading? |
| 16:34:24 | Juxta | so when you plug ur ipod into the pc it would boot up on the old firmware |
| 16:34:36 | Zagor | yes, since we can't get hardware documentation some features take longer to support on some targets. |
| 16:34:40 | n1s | Juxta: on ipods rockbox reboots to the original firmwafre for usb transfers currentl |
| 16:35:07 | n1s | on some players rockbox supports native usb and charging |
| 16:35:15 | Juxta | okay |
| 16:35:18 | Juxta | thank you |
| 16:35:19 | Sarquah | I have a question for my assignment. What kernel structure would be best for Rockbox? You say you have no really structure because it all lies in the kernel. Is this the best structure for a music OS? And why? |
| 16:35:31 | moos | and even with old archoses, get rde of orginal os ;) |
| 16:35:35 | moos | ride |
| 16:35:45 | Juxta | rid* ^^ |
| 16:35:49 | Sarquah | :P |
| 16:35:56 | moos | hehe :) |
| 16:36:18 | Zagor | Sarquah: it's the best structure because it means the least amount of complexity, the least amount of code and hence, the least amount of bugs |
| 16:36:39 | Sarquah | :D:D:D |
| 16:36:51 | Sarquah | Thank you |
| 16:37:05 | Zagor | you might want to mention that we don't have malloc. that tends to send people into a spin... :-) |
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| 16:37:36 | Sarquah | ok |
| 16:37:54 | Juxta | i hope we will have more rockbox users after our "poster" |
| 16:38:11 | Sarquah | :D |
| 16:38:14 | Sarquah | lol |
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| 16:39:31 | Zagor | yay, sim builds |
| 16:40:13 | moos | Congrates! \o/ |
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| 16:43:03 | LambdaCalculus37 | Zagor: Nice! :) |
| 16:43:23 | * | LambdaCalculus37 hopes this will get rid of problems building sims on OS X |
| 16:43:23 | Zagor | not much left now |
| 16:43:47 | Zagor | what problems are that? |
| 16:44:43 | Juxta | does any of you use any figures or diagrams/uml's ? |
| 16:44:46 | LambdaCalculus37 | I have SDL installed on my Mac, and building sims just errors out, because I'm figuring that it doesn't know whether to build an X11 sim or an SDL app. |
| 16:44:57 | Zagor | Juxta: not really, no |
| 16:45:05 | Juxta | ok |
| 16:45:16 | Juxta | so no architectural stuff |
| 16:45:18 | linuxstb | LambdaCalculus37: That shouldn't be an issue - it should always try to build an SDL sim. |
| 16:45:58 | Zagor | Juxta: well we have some illustrations in the wiki. such as this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxKernel |
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| 16:49:16 | LambdaCalculus37 | linuxstb: Maybe it's just my bad luck, then. ;) |
| 16:49:33 | Juxta | Zagor: yea i've seen that one |
| 16:50:39 | Zagor | Juxta: generally, we prefer code over powerpoint slides ;) |
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| 16:51:22 | Juxta | hehe i feel you. same here, but you know how they say "start out with the architecture to get a better overview etc" |
| 16:51:55 | Zagor | Juxta: they're teachers. they have to say that... |
| 16:52:22 | n1s | haha, also rockbox was more evolved than designed |
| 16:52:55 | Juxta | yea |
| 16:53:08 | Zagor | evolution is vastly superior to design imho |
| 16:53:38 | Sarquah | We're students.. |
| 16:53:39 | Juxta | but its actually not for the "teacher" but for the poster itself.. i mean if u pass by a poster with a shitload of text it wont attract u the same way as graphic does |
| 16:54:19 | markun | "shitload" would match rockbox nicely |
| 16:54:25 | Zagor | hehe |
| 16:54:28 | Juxta | haha |
| 16:54:38 | Juxta | well its fair documentet tho |
| 16:55:07 | Sarquah | :D |
| 16:55:53 | markun | Juxta: it was just the word shit which reminded me of one of the more famous quotes about us: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GoldenQuotes |
| 16:56:51 | Zagor | Juxta: I guess you'll have to use some fancy wps graphic to draw attention so they'll read all the text :) |
| 16:58:10 | Juxta | wps? |
| 16:58:28 | Sarquah | we use jpg |
| 16:58:30 | Sarquah | .. |
| 16:58:44 | Zagor | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery |
| 16:58:47 | Sarquah | :D |
| 16:58:49 | Juxta | lol |
| 16:58:50 | Zagor | WPS = While Playing Screen |
| 16:59:28 | Juxta | good idea hehe |
| 16:59:44 | Sarquah | We mean like pictures of the kernel... or something.. |
| 16:59:56 | Sarquah | We could post a screenshot in the poster.. |
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| 17:00:02 | markun | Sarquah, Juxta: what made you guys decide to make a poster about rockbox? Do you use it yourself? |
| 17:00:17 | Juxta | yea |
| 17:00:18 | Zagor | I know. But we don't have any other than the one in RockboxKernel. we're not much for drawing. |
| 17:00:24 | Sarquah | :D |
| 17:00:31 | Sarquah | Hmm |
| 17:00:41 | Sarquah | Could we use the picture or have you copyrighted it? |
| 17:00:51 | Juxta | we'lll just slash some porno pic's on the poster and we'll get the attention wanted |
| 17:01:06 | Zagor | Sarquah: go ahead an use it |
| 17:01:12 | Sarquah | thank you |
| 17:01:12 | Juxta | :) worked so far in the real world ^^ |
| 17:01:30 | * | Zagor just spotted the Pen&Paper theme. Nice! |
| 17:02:08 | Sarquah | But our teacher will ask if we have a license to use the picture |
| 17:02:10 | Sarquah | What do we say? |
| 17:02:33 | Juxta | Zagor the wise gave us a mutu.. written license :D |
| 17:02:40 | Zagor | do you mean the kernel image? |
| 17:02:47 | Sarquah | yeah |
| 17:03:35 | Zagor | well, how about you say you asked and we said it was ok? |
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| 17:04:06 | Sarquah | Fine with me :P |
| 17:04:12 | Juxta | send us an email if possible? |
| 17:04:39 | Zagor | if you want to be that "proper", you should contact MiikaPekkarinen who made image |
| 17:04:42 | Juxta | we'll say we asked the moderators per mail and you answered us :) |
| 17:04:51 | Zagor | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MiikaPekkarinen |
| 17:05:11 | Juxta | got to go but thx a lot for all the help |
| 17:05:18 | Zagor | you're welcome |
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| 17:05:32 | Sarquah | :) |
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| 17:07:26 | Sarquah | Well im off too |
| 17:08:02 | Sarquah | Hope I can drink a beer after todays work about analysing rockbox :P |
| 17:08:16 | Sarquah | But the others are lazy and boring.. |
| 17:08:50 | Sarquah | So thank you guys. We'll maybe ask some questions next week |
| 17:08:57 | Sarquah | See you |
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| 17:10:13 | bodymind | what's the library of printf in rockbox? i'm trying stdio.h... 8) and sprintf.h... :s |
| 17:13:17 | markun | bodymind: I think there is no printf since we have no console to print to. What are you trying to do? |
| 17:13:29 | Nico_P | bodymind: we don't have printf but there's DEBUGF |
| 17:16:31 | bodymind | i want to help on e200v2.. i get an ATA Error: -1... :s i wan't to debug it.. |
| 17:16:33 | bodymind | :$ |
| 17:17:01 | bodymind | but i don't know much about rockbox code... i'm reading some parts of the wiki |
| 17:17:15 | bodymind | where can i read that stuff? |
| 17:20:47 | markun | bodymind: I would just look at the source code which gives you the ATA error and print it in the same way :) |
| 17:21:05 | markun | btw, those ATA errors could use some cleaning up.. |
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| 17:24:10 | bodymind | i think it all starts in ata_sd_3525.c sd_read_error... but i have to find in which "goto" it's called 8) |
| 17:24:15 | bodymind | how can i use DEBUGF ? |
| 17:26:43 | Photoguy | Can anyone explain why the database is creating duplicates of all my songs, every time I reboot? |
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| 17:32:06 | soap | always two copies, or sometimes three and four? |
| 17:34:22 | linuxstb | bodymind: You can't use DEBUGF - it's only available in the simulator, or on some targets via a serial connection. |
| 17:34:53 | linuxstb | bodymind: There's a "printf" in the bootloader (bootloader/common.c I think) - you could use that if you're testing the bootloader. |
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| 17:39:57 | bodymind | nop... now i only get a blank screen.. :( and sometimes a ATA error: -1... |
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| 17:40:23 | bodymind | now i got the ATA error: -1 :o 5min ago i got the blank screen |
| 17:40:26 | bodymind | weird.. 8) |
| 17:41:33 | bodymind | now a blank :o |
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| 17:43:33 | Photoguy | Can anyone explain why the database is creating duplicates of all my songs, every time I reboot? |
| 17:44:11 | bodymind | my answer is on the forum :) |
| 17:44:25 | Photoguy | Ok, I'll see if I can find it. |
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| 17:45:10 | Photoguy | Sorry, where in the forum is it? |
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| 17:53:21 | bodymind | my.. :| not yours.. Lol |
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| 17:59:30 | linuxstb | Photoguy: always two copies, or sometimes three and four? |
| 17:59:50 | linuxstb | (to quote soap) |
| 17:59:56 | Photoguy | Three-4-5-6-7... |
| 18:00 |
| 18:00:01 | Photoguy | On it goes :P |
| 18:00:15 | linuxstb | Have you checked your disk for errors? |
| 18:00:33 | Photoguy | How's that done? |
| 18:00:37 | bodymind | Somewhere (don't remember where) it was stated that it is caused because auto-update doesn't check for deleted files etc because it would take too long. ? |
| 18:00:52 | bodymind | is this true? |
| 18:01:13 | linuxstb | Photoguy: Using chkdisk on Windows, mkfs,vfat on Linux, or something else on something else... |
| 18:01:23 | Photoguy | Heh... |
| 18:01:34 | Photoguy | I can't, the USB is broken.. |
| 18:01:51 | Photoguy | Both the cord, and the 30-pin. |
| 18:02:05 | bodymind | use it on the SD... |
| 18:02:08 | linuxstb | Then you're fsck'ed... |
| 18:02:23 | Photoguy | Yeah.. |
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| 18:02:26 | linuxstb | BTW, I meant to say fsck.vfat, not mkfs.vfat... |
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| 18:02:34 | Photoguy | I'm trying the advice on that thread.. |
| 18:02:44 | Photoguy | I might get an answer, hold on. |
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| 18:06:21 | Photoguy | I tried they're advice (on the forum) but it still comes up with 11,000 entries! |
| 18:06:35 | Photoguy | But I only have about 80 songs. |
| 18:06:52 | Photoguy | Each one is duplicated several times. |
| 18:08:31 | Photoguy | Oh! forgot to mention, I'm running Kugel build lates version. |
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| 18:09:44 | linuxstb | Then you should try an official build, or ask kugel for help - we've no idea how he's changed Rockbox. |
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| 18:11:15 | BigBambi | Photoguy: You know how that build is called "Unsupported"... |
| 18:11:22 | Photoguy | I know.. |
| 18:11:40 | Photoguy | But, I it's not really a build specfic problem... |
| 18:11:41 | BigBambi | Doesn't that suggest that it is unsupported? |
| 18:11:46 | BigBambi | It might well be |
| 18:12:01 | Photoguy | I still had it when using Rockbox official. |
| 18:12:07 | BigBambi | Then say so |
| 18:12:53 | BigBambi | We do not support unsupported builds at all. If after resetting settings, reinitialising the database etc with the latest current build, try again |
| 18:13:01 | BigBambi | Come back if they problem still exists |
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| 18:13:25 | BigBambi | *the |
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| 18:47:07 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: still there? I'm gonna put a new patch in a few minutes |
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| 19:18:20 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: ping |
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| 19:28:44 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: Pong |
| 19:29:04 | LambdaCalculus37 | I saw the new patch. I'm going to try it in a bit. |
| 19:33:57 | toffe82 | I think there is a problen with the service manual on the page of the philips hdd6330 |
| 19:34:31 | toffe82 | I have it and it says confidential and this doesn't look to have the metion |
| 19:34:43 | toffe82 | mention confidential |
| 19:34:53 | toffe82 | can we let it there ? |
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| 19:41:12 | toffe82 | The one on the site is confidential too, look at the schematics, can we let it there ? |
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| 19:55:40 | * | kugel hopes LambdaCalculus37 has results for him soon |
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| 20:00:39 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: I'm rolling another build now. |
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| 20:04:47 | | Part toffe82 |
| 20:06:27 | kugel | great |
| 20:06:42 | Photoguy | Sweet. |
| 20:09:36 | kugel | Photoguy: I think I've clearly stated it in the post for my build. Never ask here for support when running my build, unless you can prove it's not related to my build. Prove as in reproducing the problem in a official build |
| 20:16:48 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: ? :) |
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| 20:17:50 | LambdaCalculus37 | Fade out works fine; fade in is very rough and choppy. |
| 20:18:16 | LambdaCalculus37 | It raises a bit, pauses for a split second, then choppily climbs to the set brightness. |
| 20:18:45 | Photoguy | Sorry to intterupt, is this about Sansa V2? |
| 20:19:23 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: is that always like that? |
| 20:19:39 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: Every time I let it fade out and in, yet. |
| 20:19:47 | LambdaCalculus37 | Photoguy: No, this is a patch kugel's working on. |
| 20:20:02 | Photoguy | Ah. |
| 20:20:08 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: weird, working fine on my sansa |
| 20:21:01 | LambdaCalculus37 | Must be doing something off on the beast, then. |
| 20:27:46 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: I updated |
| 20:29:10 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: this time I'm not really sure if that works (as in this is a try-and-error version) |
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| 20:31:55 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: Got the patch; patching and trying again (and crossing my fingers! ;)) |
| 20:32:23 | * | LambdaCalculus37 is being called off for a bit |
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| 20:48:16 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: Same thing. |
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| 20:49:19 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: still choppy ? |
| 20:49:37 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: Exactly the same as before. |
| 20:49:47 | bucks | is it possible to "brick" my ipod? |
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| 20:50:27 | bucks | hello |
| 20:50:35 | bucks | how is everyone today |
| 20:50:42 | domonoky | ipods are normally only brickable with a hammer and gusto .-) |
| 20:50:57 | bucks | ;) i have an interesting problem for you then |
| 20:51:44 | bucks | i installed rockbox on 5th gen 30gig video ipod, then i used windows explorer to format the ipod disk, now my computer won recognize my ipod |
| 20:51:57 | bucks | wont* |
| 20:52:10 | domonoky | you probably formated it as ntfs :-) |
| 20:52:37 | bucks | i also am unable to shut down my ipod, i fear when the battery dies all is lost= brick |
| 20:52:43 | domonoky | go into disc mode, and see if the pc then detects it again.. |
| 20:53:12 | domonoky | if the battery dies, you just have to recharge.. nothing is lost... |
| 20:53:17 | bucks | tried that no go, also my ipod service is set to auto and under device manager nothing |
| 20:53:55 | domonoky | stop the itunes crap, reboot the ipod into disc-mode and try again... |
| 20:54:23 | bucks | i am able to switch disk mode and an error that says cant load rockbox.ipod |
| 20:54:31 | domonoky | (disc-mode is the select+play at bootup thing) ... |
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| 20:55:20 | bucks | yea crap tried that and i never had itunes or ipod update on my main computer but i tried those progs as well on my other cpu still nuttin any advice? |
| 20:55:36 | bucks | tried the disc mode variations no go |
| 20:55:58 | * | domonoky has problems understanding your sentences... |
| 20:56:18 | bucks | sorry only trying to give out the important stuff |
| 20:56:27 | domonoky | if you go to disc-mode, it shows a usb-icon and not "can not find rockbox.ipod" should show up.. |
| 20:56:43 | domonoky | s/not/no |
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| 20:57:27 | bucks | i can go into disk mode fine, umm when i press select menu again to get back to OS MODE i can error that says cant load rockbox.ipod |
| 20:58:50 | domonoky | please dont mix up different things... rockbox wont load, because you formated the disc. Disk-mode is apples software which sould always work.. |
| 20:59:54 | bucks | kk sorry ummm, disk mode is great but my computer doesnt read the ipod is disc mode in any way shape or form, and way to force that? |
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| 21:00:30 | domonoky | if you have a linux machine available, you could go into disc-mode, connect it, and see what dmesg says... |
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| 21:00:56 | bucks | hmm interested not a bad idea, no linux tho and my VM doesnt support usb lol |
| 21:01:12 | domonoky | does windows detect the USB device ? |
| 21:01:24 | bucks | negative so there is no way to update or delete it |
| 21:01:26 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: next try ... |
| 21:01:44 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: this should fix it actually...I made a pretty stupid typo |
| 21:01:47 | domonoky | bucks: i mean the usb device, not the disk itself... |
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| 21:02:21 | domonoky | if it doesnt even detec any usb device, try another usb-cable and/or usb-port |
| 21:02:36 | kugel | bucks: try virtualbox, that supports usb |
| 21:02:47 | bucks | my computer doesnt read the ipod usb but it had no problem b4 i formatted it, crappin bricks here lol |
| 21:03:01 | domonoky | bucks: to try it with linux, you could also use a "live cd" .. |
| 21:03:30 | bucks | nice idea however to machine with linux atm |
| 21:03:34 | bucks | no* |
| 21:04:08 | domonoky | bucks: no new usb-device in the "device manager" when you connect the ipod ? what does the ipod show when you connect it ? |
| 21:05:48 | * | domonoky hints that a live cd turns any PC temporarly into a linux pc if you want.( nothing changed on the HD) .. |
| 21:06:03 | bucks | no usb pops up and the ipod shows whichever screen i left it at ( the 2 screens i have are the error that says cant load rockbox.ipod and the disc mode/bios/diagnostics) |
| 21:06:43 | domonoky | tell us exactly what it shows when you connect it... vage descriptions dont help.. |
| 21:10:08 | bucks | the screen does not change at all when i connect the ipod to the computer, pressing select-menu on the ipod i can however switch between 2 screens, the error screen that says: Rockbox boot loader version :3.0 ipod version: 0x000b0005 toshiba mk3008gal partition 1: 0x0c 28537 mb loading rockbox... error! cant load rockbox.ipod file not found hold menu+select to reboot then select+play for disk mode |
| 21:10:41 | bucks | and the other screen being srv diag boot |
| 21:10:47 | bucks | or disk mode |
| 21:10:48 | scorche | just boot it into disk mode and extract the .zip file... |
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| 21:11:08 | scorche | you say that windows isnt recognizing the ipod?...do you have itunes installed? |
| 21:11:19 | bucks | the ipod and the computer arnt taking- they just had a big fight lol so no extracting here |
| 21:11:30 | scorche | ... |
| 21:11:33 | bucks | yes windows doesnt recog ipod |
| 21:12:32 | bucks | itunes and ipod restorer or what prog that is dont work either cuz my computer just aint seeing it, the ipod and the computer did however see eachother b4 i formatted the ipod |
| 21:12:56 | Llorean | bucks: "Showing up as a disk" is not necessary for iTunes to restore it. |
| 21:14:47 | * | domonoky wanted that buck tells him what is displayed when you connect the ipod in disc-mode, trying it in the rockbox bootloader screen is pointless... |
| 21:15:49 | * | domonoky also wanted to know if the device-manager finds anything when you connect in !disc-mode! |
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| 21:20:01 | bucks | computer shows no signs of recognition in device manager usb devices or explorer, and im not telling my ipod to try to reload rockbox its auto |
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| 21:21:08 | SolarP1993DS | hello |
| 21:21:16 | bucks | hi solar |
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| 21:21:54 | Llorean | bucks: As domonoky noted, you should only try connecting in disk mode, and you should tell him what's on the player's screen, and what device manager says, when you plug it in in disk mode. |
| 21:21:57 | * | domonoky suspects broken usb cables/ usb port.. did you try different pcs, ports.. |
| 21:22:12 | Solarpolitiks | this is my first time here |
| 21:22:32 | domonoky | but i am still not sure buck is in the right disc-mode screen... he is still too vage.. |
| 21:22:50 | Llorean | Solarpolitiks: We strongly recommend people read the IrcGuidelines link in the topic when they first arrive. |
| 21:23:04 | domonoky | Solarpolitiks: hello, if you have questions, just ask, if it is rockbox related... |
| 21:23:11 | Solarpolitiks | ok |
| 21:23:54 | bucks | disk mode is menu+select then select+previous correct? |
| 21:24:05 | domonoky | no |
| 21:24:10 | bucks | sweet |
| 21:24:14 | bucks | how you do it? |
| 21:24:37 | Llorean | bucks: You even typed how to do it in the channel yourself... |
| 21:24:40 | Llorean | "hold menu+select to reboot then select+play for disk mode" |
| 21:24:48 | Solarpolitiks | Well i was wondering is there gonna be a usb mode for rockbox on the sansa c200 |
| 21:25:07 | Llorean | Solarpolitiks: Nobody can predict if the remaining problems will be solved. |
| 21:25:15 | Solarpolitiks | ok |
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| 21:25:35 | domonoky | Solarpolitiks: usb in rockbox is still not ready for general use, but you can reboot into the OF (it may even be automatic) .. |
| 21:25:49 | Solarpolitiks | yeah i know |
| 21:26:07 | Solarpolitiks | it is automatic |
| 21:26:09 | bucks | ty so much for helping guys!!!!!!!! you guys rock!!!! |
| 21:26:25 | * | bucks feels kinda dumb no ;) ;) ;) |
| 21:26:30 | bucks | now* ;p |
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| 21:27:02 | Solarpolitiks | I was wondering because only rb firmware accepts my sdhc card |
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| 21:28:33 | domonoky | Solarpolitiks: when the remaining usb problems are solved, you could also use the sdhc via usb... but it seem "Mr.Someone" already has too much work todo :-) |
| 21:28:45 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: :) |
| 21:28:56 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: you know what I'm going to ask about :p |
| 21:29:05 | Solarpolitiks | oh ok |
| 21:29:13 | Solarpolitiks | ty domonoky |
| 21:31:47 | Solarpolitiks | oh another thing |
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| 21:32:34 | Solarpolitiks | ive looked up directions on how to use picture flow but i get he error "cant read bmp files" |
| 21:32:40 | Solarpolitiks | *the |
| 21:33:51 | Solarpolitiks | any suggestion? |
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| 21:34:47 | domonoky | you probably didnt set up the album art correctly.. does album Art work in the WPS ? |
| 21:35:15 | Solarpolitiks | no it doesnt |
| 21:35:44 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: Haven't had a chance to try rolling another build yet. |
| 21:38:59 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: ok. Just ping me if you have time |
| 21:40:21 | domonoky | Solarpolitiks: if album art in the wps (with a theme which supports aa) doesnt work, you didnt set up the album art correctly.. |
| 21:41:02 | kronflux | LambdaCalculus37: seems like everyone relies on you for something or other :p so speaking of relying on you, any further progress with the nano2g? XD |
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| 21:41:55 | Solarpolitiks | oh ok |
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| 21:47:04 | LambdaCalculus37 | kronflux: I haven't had a chance to play much with the nano as of late. I don't have a Linux machine to work with currently, and my Mac is proving to be a pain to get meizu_dfu working on. |
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| 22:11:51 | * | domonoky detects strange timing problems with his m200v4. I can not read the first button after rising the colum pin. A short delay beween rising the gpio row pin and reading the colum pins solves the problem. |
| 22:12:56 | bertrik | that doesn't really surprise me to be honest |
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| 22:16:53 | domonoky | bertrik: is it because we run at such a high speed and the buttons just dont cope with the speed, or do you suspect some glitch ? |
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| 22:19:06 | bertrik | I think it is because of the high speed |
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| 22:43:10 | Aicart | Hello |
| 22:48:32 | Nico_P | hi! |
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| 22:52:52 | Aicart | I have upgraded my rockbox and it says that it can't find rockbox.ipod .. I was looking on Internet and I found I have to re-compile rockbox. Any ideas ? |
| 22:53:16 | bluebrother | definitely not. You sure you extracted the complete zip to the player? |
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| 22:53:58 | Aicart | yes |
| 22:54:24 | bluebrother | how did you update? Have you installed other 3rd party software on the Ipod? |
| 22:55:17 | Aicart | only Rockbox |
| 22:55:29 | Aicart | I have update with the qt gui |
| 22:55:36 | Aicart | but I have tried manually too |
| 22:55:40 | Aicart | and nothing ... |
| 22:55:53 | bluebrother | but Rockbox was installed before? |
| 22:56:27 | Aicart | yes |
| 22:56:47 | Aicart | and it was ok |
| 22:57:12 | bluebrother | when did you install the bootloader? |
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| 22:57:54 | Aicart | I don't remember, but I think problems come with version 3.0 |
| 22:58:09 | Aicart | Can I install the oldest ? |
| 22:58:22 | Aicart | I can't find it |
| 22:58:25 | bluebrother | I highly doubt that. How old is the bootloader? Did the old install have a file /rockbox.ipod? |
| 22:58:58 | Aicart | I don't remember |
| 22:59:06 | Aicart | The bootloader is the newest now |
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| 22:59:20 | bluebrother | hmpf. How long ago did you do the install? |
| 22:59:38 | bluebrother | one year, two years, two weeks ...? |
| 22:59:44 | Aicart | the new install ? I have do it lots of times, just now the last one |
| 22:59:59 | Aicart | the first install i don't remember, one year |
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| 23:00:01 | bluebrother | no, when did you make the installation of the bootloader. |
| 23:00:03 | Aicart | more or less |
| 23:00:16 | bluebrother | hmm, should be new enough. Have you tried reinstalling the bootloader? |
| 23:00:18 | Aicart | but I have re-installed the bootloader |
| 23:00:27 | Aicart | and the problem persists |
| 23:00:46 | Aicart | It's strange |
| 23:01:04 | bluebrother | well, that sounds like a filesystem issue. Try running fsck.vfat / chkdsk |
| 23:03:15 | Aicart | bluebrother: I have try fsck.vfat -a |
| 23:03:30 | Aicart | and it has created some files like fsck*.rec |
| 23:05:01 | bluebrother | well, in that case something was broken with your filesystem. Reinstalling might be in place to ensure no Rockbox files were lost. |
| 23:06:52 | Aicart | I will try to arrange the fs |
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| 23:19:52 | bluebrother | linuxstb: do you know the state of the themes site code? |
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| 23:26:32 | linuxstb | bluebrother: Not really. mcuelenaere started changing what I committed, and I'm not sure what he's done. It's in SVN though... |
| 23:27:04 | bluebrother | I started looking at it and hoped you had an overview. |
| 23:27:28 | mcuelenaere | AFAICR it has basic viewing functionality and basic upload/verificationing functionality |
| 23:27:50 | mcuelenaere | I think I made a Wiki page for it |
| 23:27:57 | mcuelenaere | or edited an already existing one |
| 23:28:02 | linuxstb | When I committed it, I was working on the upload validation. I got as far as validating the list of files, so the next thing was to actually unzip it, then run the appropriate checkwps, then either give feedback on errors to the user, or add it to the db. |
| 23:28:12 | bluebrother | as displaying the themes basically works AFAICS there shouldn't be much holding us back from setting up the site at least for read access |
| 23:28:24 | linuxstb | bluebrother: The lack of content... |
| 23:28:37 | mcuelenaere | uploading works, displaying themes works, verification of uploaded themes works pretty good |
| 23:28:46 | mcuelenaere | (it uses checkwps and some other rules) |
| 23:28:50 | bluebrother | wasn't soap interested in cleaning up the wiki? |
| 23:28:53 | linuxstb | I would prefer the actual copyright holders of themes to upload them to the new site, rather than us taking them from elsewhere |
| 23:29:25 | linuxstb | We also need to decide on exactly what metadata we want for each theme. |
| 23:29:30 | * | Zagor spots superfluous file apps/codecs/codec.h |
| 23:29:44 | bluebrother | hmm. That requires the site to be fully completed at least for basic functionality |
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| 23:30:57 | mcuelenaere | I remember myself thinking what should be done next, so I think most of the basic stuff has already been done |
| 23:31:35 | bluebrother | well, rbutil integration is missing ;-) |
| 23:31:56 | bluebrother | but that should be rather easy. I was thinking about doing that when I find some time |
| 23:32:05 | mcuelenaere | I was waiting on scorche for that |
| 23:32:25 | bluebrother | on scorche? Why that? |
| 23:32:34 | mcuelenaere | I needed the old PHP files from the old theme site for that, and I remember that scorche told me he had them |
| 23:33:15 | bluebrother | ah. Well, the format is rather easy −− it's a simple ini file. |
| 23:33:42 | bluebrother | I should have it floating around somewhere too. Need to check the other harddrive though |
| 23:34:06 | linuxstb | bluebrother: What character encoding should that "inI file" be? utf-8? |
| 23:34:14 | mcuelenaere | isn't it also in the C++ code of RBUtil? |
| 23:34:57 | bluebrother | linuxstb: not sure if we checked for non-ascii characters in the past, but utf-8 would be the way to go |
| 23:35:26 | linuxstb | It's worth deciding that now, and making sure the theme site uses utf-8 everywhere. |
| 23:36:56 | pixelma | are the "display themes" pages currently using floating divs or are they tables? (both have their downsides) |
| 23:37:01 | bluebrother | IMO that site should be utf-8 only. Would make things much easier than handling with other encodings |
| 23:37:18 | mcuelenaere | pixelma: I think they're using tables |
| 23:37:32 | mcuelenaere | but with the extension that you can set how many rows should get displayed |
| 23:37:48 | bluebrother | pixelma: tables (but there's an option to select the number of rows you want to get displayed) |
| 23:37:57 | pixelma | ah, remember now |
| 23:38:25 | bluebrother | not sure if I like that too much though, but it's at least a way :) |
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| 23:39:02 | pixelma | bluebrother: what don't you like about it? |
| 23:39:32 | mcuelenaere | bluebrother: it was a compromise between the DIVs and the tables |
| 23:41:36 | * | mcuelenaere spots a mistake in tools.php |
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| 23:42:13 | bluebrother | pixelma: it not adjusting automatically to the browser window width :) |
| 23:43:07 | pixelma | if you have a better idea... |
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| 23:44:13 | pixelma | (how to achieve that) |
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| 23:45:24 | bluebrother | display:table would be an option, but I don't think it's support in current browsers makes this an alternative |
| 23:46:09 | mcuelenaere | bluebrother: there was some discussion about this some time ago, it's in the IRC logs |
| 23:46:35 | bluebrother | ok. Qt seems to consider the content of ini files to be local8bit, but making it use utf8 isn't a problem. |
| 23:46:56 | bluebrother | mcuelenaere: well, I don't have a too strong opinion about this so I'm fine with the current state. |
| 23:49:12 | mcuelenaere | bluebrother: where did you get the Received: from 78-22-179-2.access.telenet.be ([78.22.179.2] helo=mauruswinxp) |
| 23:49:15 | mcuelenaere | woops |
| 23:49:32 | mcuelenaere | where did you get the theme_dump.tgz file from? I couldn't find the link |
| 23:50:27 | bluebrother | theme_dump.tgz? |
| 23:50:52 | bluebrother | I think I have a copy of the rbutil php script floating around because I wrote it ;-) |
| 23:51:08 | bluebrother | (back the days the theme site was run by RedBreva) |
| 23:51:09 | mcuelenaere | the data/* dir which contains all the example themes |
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| 23:51:20 | mcuelenaere | I think I got mine from linuxstb |
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| 23:52:48 | bluebrother | dang. Now they finally disabled my uni account :( |
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| 23:54:27 | bluebrother | so I have to check the other hard disc tomorrow |
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