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#rockbox log for 2008-11-13

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00:06:01*kugel wonders why rockbox-info.txt tells a different binsize than rockbox.bin
00:06:25preglowfifo full
00:06:29gevaertsrazym: have you looked in the manual?
00:06:44Bagderkugel: because it gets the size from the .map
00:07:00razymrockbox... has a manual?
00:07:03kugelshould visit an eye doctor
00:07:03*razym blinks
00:07:15razymit does have a manual
00:07:45razymyou win this round gevaerts
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00:09:26razymokay, now that i skimmed through it
00:09:37preglowthat was fast......
00:09:38kugelLambdaCalculus37: something is wrong at your end
00:09:43razymchecked the whole thing for "charge"
00:09:53razymi'm not talking about the option to make usb charge it
00:10:05razymi'm talking about how it shuts down and goes into disk mode upon usb insertion
00:10:50preglowhold menu pressed (or something) pressed when inserting usb
00:11:04preglowyou should charge in retailos anyway, i believe rockbox doesn't charge as fast as possible
00:11:27razymoh, i have another iPod using my wall charger and i'm too lazy to swap
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00:11:40razymi just need it charging, without killing the battery over time
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00:12:36razymbut i guess i'll do that, then
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00:18:37Hillshumhow do i compile without rocks?
00:18:51Bagdermake bin ?
00:19:06*Hillshum tries
00:21:41Hillshumbut it doesn't solve my problem
00:22:06Bagderwhich is... ?
00:23:54*Bagder runs off to bed
00:24:45CtcpPing from gevaerts!n=fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts
00:29:03kugelLambdaCalculus37: I've uploaded the new patch at fs#6800. test please
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00:34:40preglowshotofadds: oy
00:35:08shotofaddspreglow: congrats on the SD progress, your asshatted-ness seems to be paying off ;)
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00:36:08preglowi only get fifo full on sdhc cards, for some reason
00:36:25preglowso i'm gonna comb through the init code and see what i do wrong
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00:36:33preglowbut i'm gonna nail this shit now
00:37:04shotofaddsthat's weird, best of luck getting it working!
00:37:15preglowweird indeed
00:37:45preglow1.x cards never seem to send data
00:40:16shotofaddsSome other d2-news: I'm in the process of tidying up a new NAND driver ready for commit (maybe tomorrow?). It seems pretty reliable on D2 (and I guess iAudio7 too) and is approaching usable on M200 (+DAX?) too now. Turns out the do do indeed use a slightly different FTL scheme..
00:41:19preglowsweetness, looking forward to it
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00:41:42preglowi expect it's read only? :>
00:41:55shotofaddspreglow: naturally.
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00:41:58kugelLambdaCalculus37: fixed!
00:42:27preglowargh, how that annoys
00:42:34preglowbloody telechips and their bloody custom ftl
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00:43:58shotofaddsindeed, but I don't think write is truly unachievable - just very hard. my understanding is getting better as time goes on, someday I might get around to documenting it..
00:44:22preglowthat would be truly sweet
00:44:46preglownever rule out the possibility of some magic person just showing up and doing what needs doing
00:44:53preglowwe've had it happen several times :>
00:44:57shotofaddsbtw, it's taken 1 year to get this far, take a guess how long it might take :>
00:45:11preglowi think things might speed up once we get the basics working
00:45:19preglowbut we'll see
00:45:21gevaertsHave you made any progress with USB on the D2?
00:45:26preglownever even tried
00:45:30faemircan someone explain why my wake up alarm isnt working?
00:45:36preglowfaemir: target?
00:45:52shotofaddsgevaerts: no, I had enough success with the m200 to not worry about it. will try soon though.
00:46:18faemirpreglow: ?
00:46:25preglowfaemir: what player
00:46:42faemiripod 5th gen, my friend with an ipod mini 2nd gen wont work either
00:47:15preglowfaemir: set the alarm to like two minutes into the future, then shut down immmediately and wait
00:47:40preglowthere is a bug right now where alarm doesn't work if you set it, then turn the ipod on and off several times afterwards
00:48:00preglowwhich i've kind of forgotten about fixing
00:48:22preglowdon't really know how to either
00:48:46preglowfaemir: if what i said doesn't work, something else is wrong
00:48:48shotofaddsgevaerts: interestingly the m200's ums only seems to work in windows right now, and then it will only transfer a few MB before stalling. Last week it seemed pretty reliable in Linux, so I need to work out what changed..
00:48:52faemirpreglow: it's 3.0 btw
00:49:36preglowalarm shouldn't have changed much since i implemented it for ipods
00:50:08preglowanother goddamn feature it turns out i don't actually use much myself, so i haven't tested it for ages
00:50:19preglowi'll test it right now, tho
00:50:57gevaertsshotofadds: weird
00:51:02preglowwill see if it works in four minutes
00:51:12shotofaddsbut right now I'm off to bed. hopefully tomorrow will see some good progress - these sansa-ams people are making us look bad ;)
00:51:21preglowcurse them for it
00:51:37preglowthey should make us look good, tantilazingly good
00:51:40preglowbut yeah, good night :)
00:51:49*gevaerts waves
00:52:16shotofaddsit's quite frustrating to have Rockbox running on a new target, but with such large obstacles in the way of usability :/
00:52:17shotofaddsnight all
00:52:22faemirpreglow: nope
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00:53:56faemirpreglow: it doesn't work *
00:55:02preglowfaemir: works for me
00:55:13preglowmy nano just switched on and started playing
00:55:21faemiris this 3.0?
00:55:39faemirpreglow: and did you shut it off with music playing or paused
00:55:56preglowand no, it seems to not be 3.0
00:56:02preglowsomething a bit older
00:56:17faemirstupid 5 minute interval limit
00:56:29preglowi'll try out a 3.0
00:56:32preglowif i can find the usb cable
00:56:55faemirit pauses when i hold play to shutdown
00:58:04preglowwell, then mine was paused
00:58:15preglowit doesn't matter, the alarm code cares little about paused status
00:58:40preglowby "little" i mean "not at all"
00:58:45faemiris it supposed to auto shutdown
00:58:48faemircause the manual says that
01:00:25preglowyes, it does
01:00:27preglowand no
01:00:30preglownot anymore
01:00:43preglowit used to be like that, we need to discuss if we want that to happen still, and update the manual
01:01:14preglowi don't see any reason for it to auto shutdown, but there might be a technical reason for why it has to do so on some targets
01:01:28preglowtesting 3.0 now, will find out i five mins
01:01:42faemirpreglow: mine worked
01:01:47faemirbut my friend says his just turns back on
01:01:50faemirwhen he holds play
01:01:57faemirto shutdown
01:03:02preglowfaemir: that happens universally whenever he tries to shut down, not only with alarm?
01:03:14faemirpreglow: ah, it's plugged in charging
01:03:23faemirbut he says it's so unreliable that he leaves it in cause of the dodgy battery
01:03:29preglowstill sounds a bit hacky
01:03:51preglowyeah, minis get really dodgy after a few years
01:03:58faemirpreglow: is it possible to have it off while charging?
01:04:11preglowfaemir: i don't know, don't have a mini
01:04:19faemirwell i presume it's a rockbox option
01:04:50preglowthe whole power management and usb thing is very unfinished with rockbox right now
01:05:10preglowusb is almost quite 100% done, but a couple of small issues that prevent it from working
01:05:21preglowand we need usb to work proper before power management can get better
01:05:26preglow3.0 alarm works fine here
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01:05:59preglowand no, my nano switches right back on if power is connected
01:06:17preglownow that i think about it, that can't be helped
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01:06:38preglowthe ipod hardware is what switches it back on
01:06:49preglowipods aren't meant to ever be powered off while doing anything at all
01:07:03faemiroh dear
01:07:08faemirhe can't boot into original firmware either
01:07:19preglowyeah, he can
01:07:33preglowenable hold switch early when he sees the apple logo
01:07:53faemirit just flickers
01:07:55faemirevery few seconds
01:07:57NecromasWhy is it that business majors have such little math backgrounds? You think that'd be an important skill for a businessman
01:08:13preglowbut really, when a mini has a dodgy battery, it will start to misbehave in really weird ways
01:08:23Necromasya, ipods are notorious for data corruption on force quits or disconnects
01:09:26preglowbut yeah, apart from the thing where alarm won't work if you turn it back on before the alarm triggers, it seems to work fine in 3.0 as well
01:09:33preglowand i'm not quite sure how to fix that issue yet
01:10:03preglowi will probably have to find out how the apple bootloader communicates the alarm status
01:10:15preglowand i'm not so bored as to find out that right now
01:10:28preglowor in the near future at all, i'm afraid
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02:00:11FFForeverany news on ipod classic?
02:00:31Necromasstill not rockboxable
02:00:39Necromasthe 6th gen ones at least
02:00:49Necromaswhich they call "ipod classic"
02:01:22FFForeveri just bought an 80gb classic black :D
02:01:26preglowi think you should basically just forget about it
02:01:52preglowyears have passed, not even a single hurdle has been passed
02:02:07preglowapple doesn't want rockbox on those ipods, and has made it very hard to do
02:02:43FFForeveryet the iphone is hacked days after it is released :(
02:02:48FFForeverand unlocked after a month or 2....
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02:04:11preglowdunno anything about that, protection might be simpler or there might just be more eyes on it
02:04:24preglowbut the challenge isn't nearly the same
02:04:44preglowhave anyone actually replaced the os on an iphone?
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02:05:47LloreanNot that I'm aware of.
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02:05:56preglowwell, there you go
02:06:19preglownot even on the iphone has anything even nearing what we'd need to do for rockbox been done
02:06:24LloreanThe iPhone runs a modification on an existing, well known OS. It is designed to run third party apps, and they just got around how picky it is about third party apps, as far as I know.
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02:07:12preglowwe'd need to decrypt the firmware, reverse engineer it, guess our way to how the hardware works, and first then start porting rockbox, which involved writing a fair amount of new code
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02:07:28preglowthe process would take years if it starteed today
02:07:37Lloreanpreglow: I wonder if there's an attack vector by way of the downloadable games etc, rather than trying a firmware upgrade.
02:07:46preglowLlorean: probably
02:08:08preglowbut we're not helped by the fact that most ipod users wouldn't dream of taking away the apple shine on it
02:08:28preglowi can't be bothered with more ipods nayway
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02:11:07FFForeverpreglow, they are working on linux :D
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02:13:41preglowwho are?
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02:18:22soapanyone know how I can determine the "real" file path from wiki links such as:
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02:18:56synergistdoes wget show the redirected url?
02:19:30synergistnot 100% familiar with twiki though, sry
02:19:43soapwget says "no such attachment"
02:20:04soapwell, actually it's getting the twiki "no such attachment" page it looks like.
02:20:14synergistyeah that url is a nonexistent file
02:22:24soapsubstituting /bin/viewfile with /pub and removing the ?rev=2;filename= works
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02:23:39soapI actually pasted the wrong link - the default wiki link would be:
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02:25:44pregloweh, sry
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02:40:05soapFor the record, I talked to Senab about his "Black Glass" theme (there are 25 "children" of it in the galleries (mostly all graveyard, actually)) and he said he copied the elements directly out of Windows Media Player.
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02:48:24gabe565hi, i'm new to the rockbox wiki and irc, could i have write permissions?
02:49:26moosHillshum, I assume you are ?
02:49:44moosoops hi :) stupid tab completion
02:50:10gabe565I'm Gabe Cook
02:50:27mooswhat do you want to edit (out of curioisty) ?
02:51:13gabe565I was going to put my name on IRC Nicks page
02:51:49moosok, just like the tradition want, promise to not spam! :)
02:52:09gabe565ok, I won't spam!
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02:53:50moosthere you go, done
02:54:10gabe565ok, thanks
02:54:37moosyou are welcome
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04:06:24patrussellI posted an issue with Sansa c200 and Altec Lansing im510 dock on the forums and was asked to update the TWiki table but need write permission to do this.
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04:10:20cool_walking_patrussell: done
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04:11:55patrussellThank you. I'll get that updated.
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04:53:07HillshumWhere is the bashrc on Ubuntu?
04:54:33MU{lappy}it's not in /etc/bashrc? and isn't there a #linux or #ubuntu?
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07:09:47ameyerwhat are the odds Rockbox will be usable on the Sansa Clip within 12 months or so
07:10:22ameyerwhere "usable" == plays ogg vorbis reliably and dual-boots
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07:11:22B4gderI'd say the odds are pretty good for that
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07:18:49LloreanI'll be very surprised if it's not usable within 12 months.
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07:19:10LloreanI'm personally betting on it by 3.3 or _maybe_ 3.2
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07:21:24ameyerobviously, somewhat stripped-down
07:22:19ameyeron the other hand, if "they" ever add gapless playback to the Clip's OF, who needs rockbox?
07:22:19LloreanI don't think it'll be stripped down too much.
07:22:44B4gderRockbox does have some pros other than gapless...
07:25:04ameyerwell, the format support on the clip's resonably close to Rockbox's format support.
07:25:39ameyerclose enough for me anyway
07:26:18B4gderif the audio playback support is all that matters then I can understand that
07:26:39B4gderbut there are other targets with that support and their OF still don't even come close to rockbox
07:26:50B4gderin terms of usability etc
07:27:13LloreanAnd plenty of people *require* Rockbox for blind navigation
07:27:26ameyerI'll see how bad the OF is
07:30:10ameyeralthough crossfeed is nice
07:30:18*ameyer glares at the 60s
07:35:09ameyeranyway, currently has the Clip for $15.99 + $5 shipping (US only)
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07:35:31ameyererm, 2 GB clip
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08:21:48timsandtomsHey, quick question, the manual wasn't super clear on this... If I use the automated installed, will it set my 80gb 5.5th gen iPod to dual boot Rockbox and the iPod firmware, or will it replace the iPod firmware?
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08:22:25advcomp2019timsandtoms, it will be dual boot
08:24:14timsandtomsadvcomp2019, alright, awesome, thanks. How will I switch between the two? Is it similar to iPodLinux's Loader 2?
08:25:37advcomp2019yea you can switch between the two but i am not sure how it works since i do not have an ipod
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08:28:37Lloreantimsandtoms: Dual booting should be described in the manual.
08:28:49timsandtomsAh, ok, thanks. All the google image results for "rockbox bootloader ipod" seem to be turning up Loader 2, so hopefully that'll be it
08:29:00LloreanIt's not loader 2.
08:29:06LloreanAnd it's not much like loader 2, there's no menu at all.
08:29:44LloreanThere are no image results because you normally don't see the bootloader. It's designed to go by as quickly, and unnoticed, as possible unless there's an error and it needs to report something
08:30:10timsandtomsLlorean: Oh, dang. So will I need to do a manual install if I want to use Loader 2?
08:30:24LloreanYes, and we won't provide support for it.
08:31:15LloreanThe bootloader is responsible for hardware initialization and third party bootloaders have in the past caused strange behaviour in Rockbox. While it's believed to be working right now, it's not considered a supported installation.
08:31:17timsandtomsHaha, thats ok. I've managed before, I was just hoping not to have to bother this time, and just use the easy installer ;) Ah wells. Thanks for the help.
08:31:25LloreanWhy do you need Loader2?
08:31:30LloreanThe Rockbox bootloader dual boots.
08:32:35timsandtomsLlorean, ah, my mistake, I assumed when you said there's no menu it meant no way to choose between Rockbox and the iPod stuff
08:32:54Lloreantimsandtoms: No. As I said before that, the Rockbox manual describes dual booting...
08:33:29timsandtomsSorry, feelin a bit out of it today :) Thanks for the help, I'll go check that out
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09:55:39Zagorthere is no i2c define in config-mrobe500.h
09:57:15linuxstbThe port is still in the early stages I think. Is it a problem?
09:57:40Zagoryes, firmware/SOURCES expects a CONFIG_I2C define to select source files
09:58:20Zagorthe old build doesn't complain because we send all parse errors to /dev/null...
09:58:40ZagorI'm not convinced that's a good idea, so I don't
09:59:01Zagorif it doesn't have I2C support, it should be defined to 0 imho
09:59:34Zagoror I2C_NONE or something
10:00:41linuxstbI _think_ that I2C_DM320 is the right one.
10:00:57B4gderit certainly feels right
10:00:58linuxstbThe creativezvm has the same CPU (DM320) and uses that I2C define.
10:02:31Zagoris mrobe500 in such an early stage that I shouldn't worry too much about making it compile&link everything?
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10:02:40Zagorif has double audio drivers, for instance
10:02:57B4gderafaik, it doesn't yet have functional audio
10:03:04Zagorfirmware/drivers/audio/tsc2100.c and firmware/target/arm/tms320dm320/mrobe-500/dm320codec-mr500.c
10:03:07linuxstbIt's in the build table, so currently compiles cleanly.
10:03:13Zagorah, right
10:03:26*Zagor dons the Holmes hat once more
10:04:30linuxstbThe dm320 targets are a bit unusual - there's a DSP as well as the main audio codec (I think...)
10:05:11Zagoryeah, but it includes two different files with the same functions (audiohw_init etc)
10:05:34Zagorhmm, perhaps this works in the old build because firmware is a lib, so double functions don't cause a conflict.
10:05:42linuxstbYes. that does look very wrong...
10:06:19ZagorI'll leave it for now
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10:07:05Zagorshould I commit the i2c config change?
10:07:16Zagorwho's working on this port?
10:07:31n1sJdGordon: and kkurbjun i think'
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10:43:13amiconnlinuxstb: I have a few questions regarding libdemac
10:43:53linuxstbYou probably know the code better than me by now, but ask away...
10:44:13amiconnFirst I'd like to know whether it would make sense to have a central .h file instead of several, which defines build-time parameters
10:45:02amiconnI think that using 32 bit ints for the filters will be faster on arm7, but *only* there. So I'd like to make that type a macro (or typedef...)
10:46:47amiconnSecond, I wonder what would be the best way to split the decode_chunk() function for dual-core operation, without giving up the universal character of the lib
10:47:10amiconnI want to put the entropy decoding on the CPU, and filter+predictor on the COP
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10:50:19linuxstbThere probably are too many .h files at the moment - maybe something like "demac.h" for the public API, and then "demac_internal.h" for the private functions/types ?
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10:51:17linuxstbI'm not sure what you mean by "universal character of the lib" ?
10:54:09amiconnRight now decode_chunk() does everything to decode an ape bytestream into pcm data. For dual core operation, I either need to split it, or put rockbox specific code into the lib
10:55:04Zagoranother config bug: creative zvm does not have LCD_REMOTE_DEPTH defined
10:55:17amiconnImho that the first option is the way to go, but then the lib either has two different interfaces, or all callers need to be changed
10:56:26linuxstbamiconn: As long as the standalone demac program can still be built, I don't mind what you do. AFAIK, no-one outside Rockbox is using libdemac.
10:56:43amiconnDoesn't ffmpeg use it?
10:57:09linuxstbNot directly - they wrote their own decoder, based on libdemac.
10:57:11*amiconn also never tried to build the standalone decoder
10:58:32*linuxstb spots that it's broken ;)
10:58:36Zagor182 files changed, 1492 insertions(+), 3463 deletions(-) ...
10:59:25amiconnlibmad does have such an api with several functions where each one is only performing part of the decoding.
10:59:39amiconnlinuxstb: oh?
11:00:39linuxstbType "make" in apps/codecs/demac/
11:04:25Zagordoes creative zvm even have a remote?
11:05:37ZagorI find a remote, but not with display
11:06:23B4gdermaybe that's why depth isn't defined...
11:06:31Zagor"Optional wired remote, no LCD"
11:07:06Zagoryeah but then configure shouldn't output BMP2RB_REMOTENATIVE
11:07:20*Zagor fixes
11:09:16Zagoroops. doom/i_video.c:281:2: error: #error Keymap not defined!
11:09:22Zagorno doom for you!
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11:10:57Zagorperhaps I should look at the PLUGINS variable :)
11:13:34Zagorshould we perhaps use ccache for genlang too?
11:13:48B4gderwe should!
11:13:55Zagoror is ccache "too clever"?
11:14:12B4gderI don't know
11:14:19B4gderit might be
11:16:25*B4gder realizes a proper setup at home would be done so that the rbclient's ccache is shared with your regular user
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11:40:26solrize_i'm nuts, i ordered three of the sansa clips from woot
11:40:43solrize_if any of the rockbox devs want one i can donate one
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11:42:37linuxstbsolrize_: We're keen to find the so-called "version 2" clips. These are identified by running a v2.x.y original firmware, but don't seem very widespread yet.
11:42:49linuxstbOr at least, I'm keen...
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11:45:43linuxstbgevaerts: I think Rockbox's FLAC decoder is pretty much optimised to death. I'm not sure how much has been done on wavpack though. Apple Lossless has hardly been optimised at all, so there is potential there
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11:46:39drewbshrm why is it i cant get themes to load properly? :( i cant seem to find any information on it
11:47:20linuxstbdrewbs: Where are you getting the themes from? Some third-party sites have very old themes not compatible with current Rockbox versions.
11:47:57linuxstbWhere exactly?
11:48:28linuxstbWhich theme(s) have you tried?
11:48:56linuxstbAnd how are you installing them?
11:49:25gevaertslinuxstb: wavpack may be interesting, but I personally don't care at all about Apple Lossless. But since I'm not planning to do any work on this myself, this is pretty academic anyway
11:49:53drewbsim putting them in .rockbox
11:50:04drewbsive tried a handful
11:50:17drewbsim beginning to think i might have been grabbing the wrong versions of themes
11:50:20linuxstbI would guess Apple Lossless is the most-used Rockbox lossless codec after FLAC though. But that's just a guess...
11:50:20drewbsgiven my generation
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11:51:10linuxstbdrewbs: When you've installed the theme, do they show up in "browse themes" ?
11:52:13gevaertslinuxstb: maybe, but I wouldn't even know how to encode them
11:52:45linuxstbgevaerts: Up to recently, you needed itunes (or I think dbpoweramp), but I think ffmpeg now has an encoder.
11:53:08drewbsyeah they do
11:54:30solrize_linuxstb these clips i'm getting are woot refurbs so they are probably the old version
11:56:47drewbsthey seem to be working now
11:56:51drewbsjust had the wrong generation
11:57:03drewbsits always something stupid :P
11:58:12linuxstbwrong generation? You mean you don't have a 5g ipod?
11:59:59kugelsolrize_: unfortunately we already have a plenty of clips among the devs, since it's the cheapest ams sansa. Although more can't hurt
12:00:23kugelsolrize_: as far as I see we're lacking a) clipv2 and b) c200v2
12:02:21solrize_yeah i don't think i have any of those but will see when they arrive
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12:14:11kugellinuxstb: how about a survey? when someone visits he gets a pop up to select his most used codecs. After one did that he would never see this pop up again
12:14:39kugelI'm quite curious which codecs are most common and which not
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12:20:13LinusNi would be surprised if it wasn't mp3
12:20:29LinusNoh lossless
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12:21:15drewbslistening to lossless on earbuds
12:21:17drewbsis lol
12:21:29linuxstbYes, I would expect mp3 to be #1 lossy, followed quite a way behind by vorbis. FLAC would be #1 lossless, followed by ALAC. All others would be a tiny minority.
12:22:12linuxstbAlthough maybe AAC would have a fair number of users amongst ipod owners.
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12:36:14preglowwavpack can probably be optimized a bit more
12:36:25preglowbut it is pretty optimized, david himself saw to that
12:36:36preglowwhy do we wonder about codec popularity, btw?
12:36:46preglowis alac still dog slow?
12:36:52linuxstbBut did he concentrate on lossy, or lossless as well? Or are they very closely linked?
12:37:07linuxstbpreglow: Yes, I don't think anyone has touched alac.
12:37:23preglowthose two are very closely linked
12:37:26linuxstbI think it needs some overall restructuring, then asm functions adding.
12:37:31preglowi don't think lossy decoding differs from lossless
12:37:47preglowthat whole adaptive fir algorithm will make optimizing less efficient, tho
12:38:04preglowi wonder how they manage to get so low compression ratios with such a complex algo
12:38:35linuxstbMaybe they've optimised the encoder for speed? IIRC, itunes has no settings for alac encoding.
12:39:35linuxstbIt would be interesting to see how ffmpeg's encoder compares.
12:39:43preglowi don't see why they would have chosen that algo at all if speed was an issue
12:39:55preglowthe flac way of doing things really should suffice
12:40:54preglowdo ffmpeg have a decoder of their own?
12:41:13linuxstbThey have both an encoder and decoder now.
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12:42:29preglowwould be interesting to check out
12:42:40preglowbut yeah, why do we wonder what's the most popular?
12:42:49preglowwe gonna start ditching codecs soon? :>
12:43:01linuxstbJust curiousity...
12:43:43linuxstbBut I agree it won't affect anything in practice.
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12:46:41preglowwould be cool to see a statistic on it, or something, but i guess we won't even get the majority of users to participate
12:46:59preglowi also guess the results would be kind of obvious :)
12:47:09preglowwith mp3, vorbis and flac being high up
12:47:28preglowshouldn't overlook aac either, of course
12:47:38Zagoris there a reason for using -fno-builtin for the sims?
12:51:03preglowbut who knows, lots of things have changed
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13:08:32SpyderZI mistakenly removed rockbox before i removed the bootloader.
13:08:57SpyderZnow my ipod wont start, and I don't want to reset my ipod
13:10:36linuxstb1) DON'T PANIC!!!
13:11:02linuxstb2) Hold MENU+SELECT to reboot, then immediately turn on the hold switch. That should start the Apple firmware.
13:12:08SpyderZThank you soo much
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13:14:02bodymindlinuxstb: aw right \m/
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13:33:07StarfireHi, I'm a complete newbie with rockbox so please bear with me :-) I have installed it and got it working fine on my Ipod 4th gen, but the issue is battery charging - it doesn't seem to!
13:33:44StarfireI have it connected via USB to mylaptop but have also tried directly into my computer, rockbox shows the charging indicator but it fails to charge
13:34:00Starfireif I reboot into the apple f/w I can get it to charge fine via my laptop
13:34:11Starfireis this a known issue, fault on my behalf etc?
13:35:00advcomp2019that is normal for the some of the PP targets.. the PP targets does not have full usb support yet
13:35:21StarfirePP targets?
13:35:36LambdaCalculus37PortalPlayer. That's the name of the chip in the iPod.
13:35:59*gevaerts disagrees. Charging has nothing at all to do with usb support
13:36:06Starfireso you are saying that ipod 4th gen cannot be charged via usb when using rockbox?
13:36:57gevaertsIt depends. It somewhat works for some people, but not for others
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13:37:05advcomp2019oops.. i forgot the plus in the second part
13:38:40Starfireso in my case the only way to charge it will be to boot back into the ipod firmware?
13:38:59Starfiresorry apple f/w
13:39:27linuxstbgevaerts: Doesn't Rockbox have to request 500mA from the host? I thought the issue was that without doing anything special, only 100mA was provided (but I am very likely completely wrong...)
13:40:24gevaertslinuxstb: you have to request 500mA, but (a) we do, and (b) while the spec says you have to request it, in practice nobody cares and you get whatever you want anyway
13:41:03gevaerts(except on bus powered hubs, where you can cause real trouble by using too much)
13:42:54linuxstbgevaerts: Rockbox does that on all PP targets?
13:44:12linuxstbDo you know where?
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13:44:59StarfireI have tried both yes and no for "Charge during USB connection" setting which mentions 500mA in the manual. So anyway I can charge while still using Rockbox?
13:45:02gevaertsSomewhere in usb_core.c. There's also a function that you can use to ask if the host approved it
13:45:59kugelLambdaCalculus37: test test :)
13:46:51LambdaCalculus37kugel: Yes yes. :)
13:47:07*LambdaCalculus37 is joining in on the AMS Sansa fun
13:47:34LambdaCalculus37kugel: I just bought a Sansa Clip, so I'm going to jump in on the porting fun.
13:47:40kugelLambdaCalculus37: cool
13:49:26kugelI have a slight suspicion that SanDisk made the clip only for rockbox devs: cheap and interesting to port device (because of the small room for features).
13:49:53linuxstbIt's not that small - 2.3MB is ample.
13:50:05LambdaCalculus37kugel: Did you post a new patch?
13:50:07JdGordon2.3mb makes it more annoying than just .3
13:50:24kugelLambdaCalculus37: yep
13:50:38kugelJdGordon: then throw the 2. away :)
13:50:46kugelwho needs it anyway
13:51:13kugelLambdaCalculus37: 2 minutes after your post yesterday
13:51:25StarfirePlease chaps, anyway I can charge then while using rockbox? is this an issue with all ipod 4th gen, or for some reason just my ipod?
13:51:56LambdaCalculus37Starfire: Try holding the MENU button as you plug in your iPod.
13:52:56StarfireI also tried this, it keeps rockbox running but it still shuts down with a flat battery so doesn't seem to make any difference
13:52:57LambdaCalculus37kugel: Just got the patch. I've gotta run to work now, but I'll run a make session when I get there.
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13:54:02kugelStarfire: I think it has been said, charing is an issue on PP targets
13:54:44StarfireOK. Its just I saw no mention of this in the manual at all so thought I would ask.
13:54:55StarfireIs this fixable in a future version of rockbox?
13:56:12JdGordonthat is the hope
13:56:48Starfireok cheers, any bug I can track?
14:01:47kugelStarfire: according the flyspray, there's ~200 bugs to track
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14:03:16Starfire200 bugs for charging? oh.....
14:03:24StarfireThanks for your assistance.
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15:14:09kugelLambdaCalculus37: are you already at work?
15:14:28LambdaCalculus37kugel: Yes. I'm setting up my Mac.
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15:18:49LambdaCalculus37Okay, all set up. Let's build this sucker. :)
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15:21:13*Zagor surrenders and goes back to libfirmware.a
15:22:09markunZagor: what will it be used for?
15:22:36Zagorit contains all code from firmware/*
15:23:03n1sZagor: what would be the benefit of not having it in a library?
15:23:22Zagorn1s: none, really. just a few lines less in the makefiles
15:23:54Zagoror, there is the benefit of actually seeing when we have duplicated code
15:24:05Zagorwith a library, that gets hidden
15:24:46Zagorbut I don't feel like tackling that problem in the same (huge) patch as the new make system
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15:33:45LambdaCalculus37kugel: Successful build. :)
15:34:32kugelLambdaCalculus37: I expected that, since I tested building
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15:41:01Zagorumm, do we really support any sims other than sdl? tools/configure doesn't seem to do it, at least
15:41:41Zagorwho has built a win32 sim lately?
15:43:19kugelZagor: what's wrong with sdl?
15:43:54Zagornothing. but the makefiles are full of ifdefs for x11 and win32 sims too, and I wonder if those are really alive.
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15:44:28kugelno idea. I always thought it's enough if you compile the sim with mingw instead of gcc
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15:45:36markunZagor: I think we only support SDL
15:46:32markunwill you remove it in the same patch?
15:47:06Zagorwell if we don't support more than sdl I don't see a reason for copying old deprecated build rules to my new files
15:51:09LambdaCalculus37kugel: Your patch is causing backlight fade in problems again.
15:51:28LambdaCalculus37If I let the backlight fade out entirely, it won't fade back in, or even turn on for that matter.
15:51:41kugelI'll see
15:58:15PaulJamdionoea: i was just wondering: are you still working on FS #9368 ?
15:59:12kugelLambdaCalculus37: but it fades out? and, if you interupt it while fading out does it then fade in again?
16:01:12linuxstbZagor: Some of the old x11/win32 specific makefile code has been removed, but not all. So IMO you can finish that cleaning job.
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16:02:17Zagorgod I hate include order bugs
16:02:41Zagorthey're strong indications of an unhealthy code base
16:06:29LambdaCalculus37kugel: If I interrupt it while fading out, it "sticks" at the brightness level it reached, but if I go to adjust the brightness settings, it'll immediately jump to that value (e.g. set at 20, backlight fades to 10, adjust to 21 and it jumps to the 21 value).
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16:20:05PhotoguyI'm having database trouble..
16:20:47PhotoguyI just reformatted my Sansa, and then reinstalled Rockbox...
16:21:21PhotoguyBut every time I try to access the database, it says "Database not ready"
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16:22:15PhotoguySo, I update it, that worked fine, or so I though, but then when I rebooted, the datbase was full of duplicated MP3s!
16:22:37PhotoguyFor each song in an album, there where about the songs!
16:22:46SarquahWe are some students that are doing a poster about rockbox. We would like to know what type of OS structure, rockbox is.. Is it Monolithic?
16:24:16markunSarquah: yes, it is. Wait, I'll look up a wiki page.
16:25:09SarquahBut ive looked there..
16:25:13markunPhotoguy: don't know what it could be..
16:25:38SarquahIts like I cant see why it is monolithic
16:25:44PhotoguyBother, It's driving me Bananas!
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16:26:01SarquahIf a teacher asks me why Rockbox is monolithic I cant really answer :P
16:26:28ZagorSarquah: what is a monolithic os? I've heard of monolithic kernel, but not os.
16:26:56markunSarquah: what would be the alternative? Microkernel?
16:27:21SarquahHmm I don't know.. my first guess would also be monolithic
16:27:29SarquahBut.. why..
16:27:41markunI mean, if it wasn't monolithic, what other options would there be
16:28:04Zagormonolithic kernels are kernels where everything is done by the same blob. the other alternative is distribution of code into several processes (or some such concept)
16:28:17SarquahMicrokernel, exokernel, layered structure, client-server
16:28:28Zagorif that is what you mean, we are definitely monolithic
16:28:46markunwe even have font support and all the drivers in the kernel
16:28:57SarquahNice answer markun :D
16:29:01Zagormarkun: if you define that as kernel
16:29:19Zagoryou can also say we have a kernel that is just a couple of hundred bytes
16:30:07SarquahI see you have as few system calls as possible..
16:30:14Juxtamarkun you rock.. you know so much
16:30:27markunJuxta: what?
16:30:41SarquahJuxta is my partner in this poster :)
16:30:43ZagorSarquah: yeah, 0 is pretty much as few as possible :)
16:30:45Juxtayou a capable of answering all the questions all the time
16:30:45markunah :)
16:31:07Juxtawe're a bunch of noobs and needed a guy like you to save our asses
16:31:21markunwell, don't always trust my answers. Better listen to Zagor if it's about the rockbox kernel.
16:31:43Zagorwe don't have a kernelmode/usermode distinction, so you can say everything or nothing is the kernel. it's all just code that is doing its' job.
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16:32:17Zagorwe like to keep it simple
16:32:24Juxtawould rockbox work on a "clean" audio player without any native OS ?
16:32:34ZagorJuxta: yes, that is what rockbox does
16:32:45Zagorit does not run on top of any OS
16:33:58Juxtaok. what about recharging and loading files from pc etc? i read something about rockbox could be installed on an ipod but the old firmware would not be deleted because it was used for recharging and loading?
16:34:24Juxtaso when you plug ur ipod into the pc it would boot up on the old firmware
16:34:36Zagoryes, since we can't get hardware documentation some features take longer to support on some targets.
16:34:40n1sJuxta: on ipods rockbox reboots to the original firmwafre for usb transfers currentl
16:35:07n1son some players rockbox supports native usb and charging
16:35:18Juxtathank you
16:35:19SarquahI have a question for my assignment. What kernel structure would be best for Rockbox? You say you have no really structure because it all lies in the kernel. Is this the best structure for a music OS? And why?
16:35:31moosand even with old archoses, get rde of orginal os ;)
16:35:45Juxtarid* ^^
16:35:56mooshehe :)
16:36:18ZagorSarquah: it's the best structure because it means the least amount of complexity, the least amount of code and hence, the least amount of bugs
16:36:51SarquahThank you
16:37:05Zagoryou might want to mention that we don't have malloc. that tends to send people into a spin... :-)
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16:37:54Juxtai hope we will have more rockbox users after our "poster"
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16:39:31Zagoryay, sim builds
16:40:13moosCongrates! \o/
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16:43:03LambdaCalculus37Zagor: Nice! :)
16:43:23*LambdaCalculus37 hopes this will get rid of problems building sims on OS X
16:43:23Zagornot much left now
16:43:47Zagorwhat problems are that?
16:44:43Juxtadoes any of you use any figures or diagrams/uml's ?
16:44:46LambdaCalculus37I have SDL installed on my Mac, and building sims just errors out, because I'm figuring that it doesn't know whether to build an X11 sim or an SDL app.
16:44:57ZagorJuxta: not really, no
16:45:16Juxtaso no architectural stuff
16:45:18linuxstbLambdaCalculus37: That shouldn't be an issue - it should always try to build an SDL sim.
16:45:58ZagorJuxta: well we have some illustrations in the wiki. such as this:
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16:49:16LambdaCalculus37linuxstb: Maybe it's just my bad luck, then. ;)
16:49:33JuxtaZagor: yea i've seen that one
16:50:39ZagorJuxta: generally, we prefer code over powerpoint slides ;)
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16:51:22Juxtahehe i feel you. same here, but you know how they say "start out with the architecture to get a better overview etc"
16:51:55ZagorJuxta: they're teachers. they have to say that...
16:52:22n1shaha, also rockbox was more evolved than designed
16:53:08Zagorevolution is vastly superior to design imho
16:53:38SarquahWe're students..
16:53:39Juxtabut its actually not for the "teacher" but for the poster itself.. i mean if u pass by a poster with a shitload of text it wont attract u the same way as graphic does
16:54:19markun"shitload" would match rockbox nicely
16:54:38Juxtawell its fair documentet tho
16:55:53markunJuxta: it was just the word shit which reminded me of one of the more famous quotes about us:
16:56:51ZagorJuxta: I guess you'll have to use some fancy wps graphic to draw attention so they'll read all the text :)
16:58:28Sarquahwe use jpg
16:58:50ZagorWPS = While Playing Screen
16:59:28Juxtagood idea hehe
16:59:44SarquahWe mean like pictures of the kernel... or something..
16:59:56SarquahWe could post a screenshot in the poster..
17:00:02markunSarquah, Juxta: what made you guys decide to make a poster about rockbox? Do you use it yourself?
17:00:18ZagorI know. But we don't have any other than the one in RockboxKernel. we're not much for drawing.
17:00:41SarquahCould we use the picture or have you copyrighted it?
17:00:51Juxtawe'lll just slash some porno pic's on the poster and we'll get the attention wanted
17:01:06ZagorSarquah: go ahead an use it
17:01:12Sarquahthank you
17:01:12Juxta:) worked so far in the real world ^^
17:01:30*Zagor just spotted the Pen&Paper theme. Nice!
17:02:08SarquahBut our teacher will ask if we have a license to use the picture
17:02:10SarquahWhat do we say?
17:02:33JuxtaZagor the wise gave us a mutu.. written license :D
17:02:40Zagordo you mean the kernel image?
17:03:35Zagorwell, how about you say you asked and we said it was ok?
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17:04:06SarquahFine with me :P
17:04:12Juxtasend us an email if possible?
17:04:39Zagorif you want to be that "proper", you should contact MiikaPekkarinen who made image
17:04:42Juxtawe'll say we asked the moderators per mail and you answered us :)
17:05:11Juxtagot to go but thx a lot for all the help
17:05:18Zagoryou're welcome
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17:07:26SarquahWell im off too
17:08:02SarquahHope I can drink a beer after todays work about analysing rockbox :P
17:08:16SarquahBut the others are lazy and boring..
17:08:50SarquahSo thank you guys. We'll maybe ask some questions next week
17:08:57SarquahSee you
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17:10:13bodymindwhat's the library of printf in rockbox? i'm trying stdio.h... 8) and sprintf.h... :s
17:13:17markunbodymind: I think there is no printf since we have no console to print to. What are you trying to do?
17:13:29Nico_Pbodymind: we don't have printf but there's DEBUGF
17:16:31bodymindi want to help on e200v2.. i get an ATA Error: -1... :s i wan't to debug it..
17:17:01bodymindbut i don't know much about rockbox code... i'm reading some parts of the wiki
17:17:15bodymindwhere can i read that stuff?
17:20:47markunbodymind: I would just look at the source code which gives you the ATA error and print it in the same way :)
17:21:05markunbtw, those ATA errors could use some cleaning up..
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17:24:10bodymindi think it all starts in ata_sd_3525.c sd_read_error... but i have to find in which "goto" it's called 8)
17:24:15bodymindhow can i use DEBUGF ?
17:26:43PhotoguyCan anyone explain why the database is creating duplicates of all my songs, every time I reboot?
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17:32:06soapalways two copies, or sometimes three and four?
17:34:22linuxstbbodymind: You can't use DEBUGF - it's only available in the simulator, or on some targets via a serial connection.
17:34:53linuxstbbodymind: There's a "printf" in the bootloader (bootloader/common.c I think) - you could use that if you're testing the bootloader.
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17:39:57bodymindnop... now i only get a blank screen.. :( and sometimes a ATA error: -1...
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17:40:23bodymindnow i got the ATA error: -1 :o 5min ago i got the blank screen
17:40:26bodymindweird.. 8)
17:41:33bodymindnow a blank :o
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17:43:33PhotoguyCan anyone explain why the database is creating duplicates of all my songs, every time I reboot?
17:44:11bodymindmy answer is on the forum :)
17:44:25PhotoguyOk, I'll see if I can find it.
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17:45:10PhotoguySorry, where in the forum is it?
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17:59:30linuxstbPhotoguy: always two copies, or sometimes three and four?
17:59:50linuxstb(to quote soap)
18:00:01PhotoguyOn it goes :P
18:00:15linuxstbHave you checked your disk for errors?
18:00:33PhotoguyHow's that done?
18:00:37bodymindSomewhere (don't remember where) it was stated that it is caused because auto-update doesn't check for deleted files etc because it would take too long. ?
18:00:52bodymindis this true?
18:01:13linuxstbPhotoguy: Using chkdisk on Windows, mkfs,vfat on Linux, or something else on something else...
18:01:34PhotoguyI can't, the USB is broken..
18:01:51PhotoguyBoth the cord, and the 30-pin.
18:02:05bodyminduse it on the SD...
18:02:08linuxstbThen you're fsck'ed...
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18:02:26linuxstbBTW, I meant to say fsck.vfat, not mkfs.vfat...
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18:02:34PhotoguyI'm trying the advice on that thread..
18:02:44PhotoguyI might get an answer, hold on.
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18:06:21PhotoguyI tried they're advice (on the forum) but it still comes up with 11,000 entries!
18:06:35PhotoguyBut I only have about 80 songs.
18:06:52PhotoguyEach one is duplicated several times.
18:08:31PhotoguyOh! forgot to mention, I'm running Kugel build lates version.
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18:09:44linuxstbThen you should try an official build, or ask kugel for help - we've no idea how he's changed Rockbox.
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18:11:15BigBambiPhotoguy: You know how that build is called "Unsupported"...
18:11:22PhotoguyI know..
18:11:40PhotoguyBut, I it's not really a build specfic problem...
18:11:41BigBambiDoesn't that suggest that it is unsupported?
18:11:46BigBambiIt might well be
18:12:01PhotoguyI still had it when using Rockbox official.
18:12:07BigBambiThen say so
18:12:53BigBambiWe do not support unsupported builds at all. If after resetting settings, reinitialising the database etc with the latest current build, try again
18:13:01BigBambiCome back if they problem still exists
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18:47:07kugelLambdaCalculus37: still there? I'm gonna put a new patch in a few minutes
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19:28:44LambdaCalculus37kugel: Pong
19:29:04LambdaCalculus37I saw the new patch. I'm going to try it in a bit.
19:33:57toffe82I think there is a problen with the service manual on the page of the philips hdd6330
19:34:31toffe82I have it and it says confidential and this doesn't look to have the metion
19:34:43toffe82mention confidential
19:34:53toffe82can we let it there ?
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19:41:12toffe82The one on the site is confidential too, look at the schematics, can we let it there ?
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19:55:40*kugel hopes LambdaCalculus37 has results for him soon
20:00:39LambdaCalculus37kugel: I'm rolling another build now.
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20:09:36kugelPhotoguy: I think I've clearly stated it in the post for my build. Never ask here for support when running my build, unless you can prove it's not related to my build. Prove as in reproducing the problem in a official build
20:16:48kugelLambdaCalculus37: ? :)
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20:17:50LambdaCalculus37Fade out works fine; fade in is very rough and choppy.
20:18:16LambdaCalculus37It raises a bit, pauses for a split second, then choppily climbs to the set brightness.
20:18:45PhotoguySorry to intterupt, is this about Sansa V2?
20:19:23kugelLambdaCalculus37: is that always like that?
20:19:39LambdaCalculus37kugel: Every time I let it fade out and in, yet.
20:19:47LambdaCalculus37Photoguy: No, this is a patch kugel's working on.
20:20:08kugelLambdaCalculus37: weird, working fine on my sansa
20:21:01LambdaCalculus37Must be doing something off on the beast, then.
20:27:46kugelLambdaCalculus37: I updated
20:29:10kugelLambdaCalculus37: this time I'm not really sure if that works (as in this is a try-and-error version)
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20:31:55LambdaCalculus37kugel: Got the patch; patching and trying again (and crossing my fingers! ;))
20:32:23*LambdaCalculus37 is being called off for a bit
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20:48:16LambdaCalculus37kugel: Same thing.
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20:49:19kugelLambdaCalculus37: still choppy ?
20:49:37LambdaCalculus37kugel: Exactly the same as before.
20:49:47bucksis it possible to "brick" my ipod?
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20:50:35buckshow is everyone today
20:50:42domonokyipods are normally only brickable with a hammer and gusto .-)
20:50:57bucks;) i have an interesting problem for you then
20:51:44bucksi installed rockbox on 5th gen 30gig video ipod, then i used windows explorer to format the ipod disk, now my computer won recognize my ipod
20:52:10domonokyyou probably formated it as ntfs :-)
20:52:37bucksi also am unable to shut down my ipod, i fear when the battery dies all is lost= brick
20:52:43domonokygo into disc mode, and see if the pc then detects it again..
20:53:12domonokyif the battery dies, you just have to recharge.. nothing is lost...
20:53:17buckstried that no go, also my ipod service is set to auto and under device manager nothing
20:53:55domonokystop the itunes crap, reboot the ipod into disc-mode and try again...
20:54:23bucksi am able to switch disk mode and an error that says cant load rockbox.ipod
20:54:31domonoky(disc-mode is the select+play at bootup thing) ...
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20:55:20bucksyea crap tried that and i never had itunes or ipod update on my main computer but i tried those progs as well on my other cpu still nuttin any advice?
20:55:36buckstried the disc mode variations no go
20:55:58*domonoky has problems understanding your sentences...
20:56:18buckssorry only trying to give out the important stuff
20:56:27domonokyif you go to disc-mode, it shows a usb-icon and not "can not find rockbox.ipod" should show up..
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20:57:27bucksi can go into disk mode fine, umm when i press select menu again to get back to OS MODE i can error that says cant load rockbox.ipod
20:58:50domonokyplease dont mix up different things... rockbox wont load, because you formated the disc. Disk-mode is apples software which sould always work..
20:59:54buckskk sorry ummm, disk mode is great but my computer doesnt read the ipod is disc mode in any way shape or form, and way to force that?
21:00:30domonokyif you have a linux machine available, you could go into disc-mode, connect it, and see what dmesg says...
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21:00:56buckshmm interested not a bad idea, no linux tho and my VM doesnt support usb lol
21:01:12domonokydoes windows detect the USB device ?
21:01:24bucksnegative so there is no way to update or delete it
21:01:26kugelLambdaCalculus37: next try ...
21:01:44kugelLambdaCalculus37: this should fix it actually...I made a pretty stupid typo
21:01:47domonokybucks: i mean the usb device, not the disk itself...
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21:02:21domonokyif it doesnt even detec any usb device, try another usb-cable and/or usb-port
21:02:36kugelbucks: try virtualbox, that supports usb
21:02:47bucksmy computer doesnt read the ipod usb but it had no problem b4 i formatted it, crappin bricks here lol
21:03:01domonokybucks: to try it with linux, you could also use a "live cd" ..
21:03:30bucksnice idea however to machine with linux atm
21:04:08domonokybucks: no new usb-device in the "device manager" when you connect the ipod ? what does the ipod show when you connect it ?
21:05:48*domonoky hints that a live cd turns any PC temporarly into a linux pc if you want.( nothing changed on the HD) ..
21:06:03bucksno usb pops up and the ipod shows whichever screen i left it at ( the 2 screens i have are the error that says cant load rockbox.ipod and the disc mode/bios/diagnostics)
21:06:43domonokytell us exactly what it shows when you connect it... vage descriptions dont help..
21:10:08bucksthe screen does not change at all when i connect the ipod to the computer, pressing select-menu on the ipod i can however switch between 2 screens, the error screen that says: Rockbox boot loader version :3.0 ipod version: 0x000b0005 toshiba mk3008gal partition 1: 0x0c 28537 mb loading rockbox... error! cant load rockbox.ipod file not found hold menu+select to reboot then select+play for disk mode
21:10:41bucksand the other screen being srv diag boot
21:10:47bucksor disk mode
21:10:48scorchejust boot it into disk mode and extract the .zip file...
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21:11:08scorcheyou say that windows isnt recognizing the ipod? you have itunes installed?
21:11:19bucksthe ipod and the computer arnt taking- they just had a big fight lol so no extracting here
21:11:33bucksyes windows doesnt recog ipod
21:12:32bucksitunes and ipod restorer or what prog that is dont work either cuz my computer just aint seeing it, the ipod and the computer did however see eachother b4 i formatted the ipod
21:12:56Lloreanbucks: "Showing up as a disk" is not necessary for iTunes to restore it.
21:14:47*domonoky wanted that buck tells him what is displayed when you connect the ipod in disc-mode, trying it in the rockbox bootloader screen is pointless...
21:15:49*domonoky also wanted to know if the device-manager finds anything when you connect in !disc-mode!
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21:20:01buckscomputer shows no signs of recognition in device manager usb devices or explorer, and im not telling my ipod to try to reload rockbox its auto
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21:21:16buckshi solar
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21:21:54Lloreanbucks: As domonoky noted, you should only try connecting in disk mode, and you should tell him what's on the player's screen, and what device manager says, when you plug it in in disk mode.
21:21:57*domonoky suspects broken usb cables/ usb port.. did you try different pcs, ports..
21:22:12Solarpolitiksthis is my first time here
21:22:32domonokybut i am still not sure buck is in the right disc-mode screen... he is still too vage..
21:22:50LloreanSolarpolitiks: We strongly recommend people read the IrcGuidelines link in the topic when they first arrive.
21:23:04domonokySolarpolitiks: hello, if you have questions, just ask, if it is rockbox related...
21:23:54bucksdisk mode is menu+select then select+previous correct?
21:24:14buckshow you do it?
21:24:37Lloreanbucks: You even typed how to do it in the channel yourself...
21:24:40Llorean"hold menu+select to reboot then select+play for disk mode"
21:24:48SolarpolitiksWell i was wondering is there gonna be a usb mode for rockbox on the sansa c200
21:25:07LloreanSolarpolitiks: Nobody can predict if the remaining problems will be solved.
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21:25:35domonokySolarpolitiks: usb in rockbox is still not ready for general use, but you can reboot into the OF (it may even be automatic) ..
21:25:49Solarpolitiksyeah i know
21:26:07Solarpolitiksit is automatic
21:26:09bucksty so much for helping guys!!!!!!!! you guys rock!!!!
21:26:25*bucks feels kinda dumb no ;) ;) ;)
21:26:30bucksnow* ;p
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21:27:02SolarpolitiksI was wondering because only rb firmware accepts my sdhc card
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21:28:33domonokySolarpolitiks: when the remaining usb problems are solved, you could also use the sdhc via usb... but it seem "Mr.Someone" already has too much work todo :-)
21:28:45kugelLambdaCalculus37: :)
21:28:56kugelLambdaCalculus37: you know what I'm going to ask about :p
21:29:05Solarpolitiksoh ok
21:29:13Solarpolitiksty domonoky
21:31:47Solarpolitiksoh another thing
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21:32:34Solarpolitiksive looked up directions on how to use picture flow but i get he error "cant read bmp files"
21:33:51Solarpolitiksany suggestion?
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21:34:47domonokyyou probably didnt set up the album art correctly.. does album Art work in the WPS ?
21:35:15Solarpolitiksno it doesnt
21:35:44LambdaCalculus37kugel: Haven't had a chance to try rolling another build yet.
21:38:59kugelLambdaCalculus37: ok. Just ping me if you have time
21:40:21domonokySolarpolitiks: if album art in the wps (with a theme which supports aa) doesnt work, you didnt set up the album art correctly..
21:41:02kronfluxLambdaCalculus37: seems like everyone relies on you for something or other :p so speaking of relying on you, any further progress with the nano2g? XD
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21:41:55Solarpolitiksoh ok
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21:47:04LambdaCalculus37kronflux: I haven't had a chance to play much with the nano as of late. I don't have a Linux machine to work with currently, and my Mac is proving to be a pain to get meizu_dfu working on.
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22:11:51*domonoky detects strange timing problems with his m200v4. I can not read the first button after rising the colum pin. A short delay beween rising the gpio row pin and reading the colum pins solves the problem.
22:12:56bertrikthat doesn't really surprise me to be honest
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22:16:53domonokybertrik: is it because we run at such a high speed and the buttons just dont cope with the speed, or do you suspect some glitch ?
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22:19:06bertrikI think it is because of the high speed
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22:52:52AicartI have upgraded my rockbox and it says that it can't find rockbox.ipod .. I was looking on Internet and I found I have to re-compile rockbox. Any ideas ?
22:53:16bluebrotherdefinitely not. You sure you extracted the complete zip to the player?
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22:54:24bluebrotherhow did you update? Have you installed other 3rd party software on the Ipod?
22:55:17Aicartonly Rockbox
22:55:29AicartI have update with the qt gui
22:55:36Aicartbut I have tried manually too
22:55:40Aicartand nothing ...
22:55:53bluebrotherbut Rockbox was installed before?
22:56:47Aicartand it was ok
22:57:12bluebrotherwhen did you install the bootloader?
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22:57:54AicartI don't remember, but I think problems come with version 3.0
22:58:09AicartCan I install the oldest ?
22:58:22AicartI can't find it
22:58:25bluebrotherI highly doubt that. How old is the bootloader? Did the old install have a file /rockbox.ipod?
22:58:58AicartI don't remember
22:59:06AicartThe bootloader is the newest now
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22:59:20bluebrotherhmpf. How long ago did you do the install?
22:59:38bluebrotherone year, two years, two weeks ...?
22:59:44Aicartthe new install ? I have do it lots of times, just now the last one
22:59:59Aicartthe first install i don't remember, one year
23:00:01bluebrotherno, when did you make the installation of the bootloader.
23:00:03Aicartmore or less
23:00:16bluebrotherhmm, should be new enough. Have you tried reinstalling the bootloader?
23:00:18Aicartbut I have re-installed the bootloader
23:00:27Aicartand the problem persists
23:00:46AicartIt's strange
23:01:04bluebrotherwell, that sounds like a filesystem issue. Try running fsck.vfat / chkdsk
23:03:15Aicartbluebrother: I have try fsck.vfat -a
23:03:30Aicartand it has created some files like fsck*.rec
23:05:01bluebrotherwell, in that case something was broken with your filesystem. Reinstalling might be in place to ensure no Rockbox files were lost.
23:06:52AicartI will try to arrange the fs
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23:19:52bluebrotherlinuxstb: do you know the state of the themes site code?
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23:26:32linuxstbbluebrother: Not really. mcuelenaere started changing what I committed, and I'm not sure what he's done. It's in SVN though...
23:27:04bluebrotherI started looking at it and hoped you had an overview.
23:27:28mcuelenaereAFAICR it has basic viewing functionality and basic upload/verificationing functionality
23:27:50mcuelenaereI think I made a Wiki page for it
23:27:57mcuelenaereor edited an already existing one
23:28:02linuxstbWhen I committed it, I was working on the upload validation. I got as far as validating the list of files, so the next thing was to actually unzip it, then run the appropriate checkwps, then either give feedback on errors to the user, or add it to the db.
23:28:12bluebrotheras displaying the themes basically works AFAICS there shouldn't be much holding us back from setting up the site at least for read access
23:28:24linuxstbbluebrother: The lack of content...
23:28:37mcuelenaereuploading works, displaying themes works, verification of uploaded themes works pretty good
23:28:46mcuelenaere(it uses checkwps and some other rules)
23:28:50bluebrotherwasn't soap interested in cleaning up the wiki?
23:28:53linuxstbI would prefer the actual copyright holders of themes to upload them to the new site, rather than us taking them from elsewhere
23:29:25linuxstbWe also need to decide on exactly what metadata we want for each theme.
23:29:30*Zagor spots superfluous file apps/codecs/codec.h
23:29:44bluebrotherhmm. That requires the site to be fully completed at least for basic functionality
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23:30:57mcuelenaereI remember myself thinking what should be done next, so I think most of the basic stuff has already been done
23:31:35bluebrotherwell, rbutil integration is missing ;-)
23:31:56bluebrotherbut that should be rather easy. I was thinking about doing that when I find some time
23:32:05mcuelenaereI was waiting on scorche for that
23:32:25bluebrotheron scorche? Why that?
23:32:34mcuelenaereI needed the old PHP files from the old theme site for that, and I remember that scorche told me he had them
23:33:15bluebrotherah. Well, the format is rather easy −− it's a simple ini file.
23:33:42bluebrotherI should have it floating around somewhere too. Need to check the other harddrive though
23:34:06linuxstbbluebrother: What character encoding should that "inI file" be? utf-8?
23:34:14mcuelenaereisn't it also in the C++ code of RBUtil?
23:34:57bluebrotherlinuxstb: not sure if we checked for non-ascii characters in the past, but utf-8 would be the way to go
23:35:26linuxstbIt's worth deciding that now, and making sure the theme site uses utf-8 everywhere.
23:36:56pixelmaare the "display themes" pages currently using floating divs or are they tables? (both have their downsides)
23:37:01bluebrotherIMO that site should be utf-8 only. Would make things much easier than handling with other encodings
23:37:18mcuelenaerepixelma: I think they're using tables
23:37:32mcuelenaerebut with the extension that you can set how many rows should get displayed
23:37:48bluebrotherpixelma: tables (but there's an option to select the number of rows you want to get displayed)
23:37:57pixelmaah, remember now
23:38:25bluebrothernot sure if I like that too much though, but it's at least a way :)
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23:39:02pixelmabluebrother: what don't you like about it?
23:39:32mcuelenaerebluebrother: it was a compromise between the DIVs and the tables
23:41:36*mcuelenaere spots a mistake in tools.php
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23:42:13bluebrotherpixelma: it not adjusting automatically to the browser window width :)
23:43:07pixelmaif you have a better idea...
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23:44:13pixelma(how to achieve that)
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23:45:24bluebrotherdisplay:table would be an option, but I don't think it's support in current browsers makes this an alternative
23:46:09mcuelenaerebluebrother: there was some discussion about this some time ago, it's in the IRC logs
23:46:35bluebrotherok. Qt seems to consider the content of ini files to be local8bit, but making it use utf8 isn't a problem.
23:46:56bluebrothermcuelenaere: well, I don't have a too strong opinion about this so I'm fine with the current state.
23:49:12mcuelenaerebluebrother: where did you get the Received: from ([] helo=mauruswinxp)
23:49:32mcuelenaerewhere did you get the theme_dump.tgz file from? I couldn't find the link
23:50:52bluebrotherI think I have a copy of the rbutil php script floating around because I wrote it ;-)
23:51:08bluebrother(back the days the theme site was run by RedBreva)
23:51:09mcuelenaerethe data/* dir which contains all the example themes
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23:51:20mcuelenaereI think I got mine from linuxstb
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23:52:48bluebrotherdang. Now they finally disabled my uni account :(
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23:54:27bluebrotherso I have to check the other hard disc tomorrow
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