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| 00:29:00 | Zagor | ehm. from musepack codec: r->read(r->data, tmp, sizeof(tmp)); |
| 00:29:07 | Zagor | error: 'mpc_reader' has no member named 'sim_read' |
| 00:29:24 | Zagor | sims are fun |
| 00:30:26 | Zagor | does anyknow know how that is kludged through the current build? |
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| 00:33:19 | Zagor | aha, we use the duplicate lightweight "codec.h" instead of "codeclib.h" |
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| 00:35:43 | Zagor | meh, I'm fixing too much at once :-( |
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| 00:45:22 | mcuelenaere | can anyone guess what's wrong here ? ( http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/457/wpseditorwrongcf3.png , probably format mismatch) |
| 00:45:38 | mcuelenaere | I force RGB565 |
| 00:45:41 | mcuelenaere | forced* |
| 00:47:33 | kugel | Zagor: Chin up! Someone has to do it! |
| 00:47:47 | gevaerts | kugel: then why doesn't he? |
| 00:48:16 | * | Zagor realized he's become Mr Someone |
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| 00:49:21 | kugel | Zagor: and while you're at it, fix the target tree :) |
| 00:49:42 | Zagor | eek |
| 00:49:52 | gevaerts | And the theme site! |
| 00:50:33 | * | gevaerts promises to continue work on the MULTIDRIVER/MULTIDRIVE/MULTIVOLUME thing tomorrow |
| 00:50:48 | kugel | and midi plugin please |
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| 01:27:36 | soap | wiki is pretty clean, bluebrother, linuxstb |
| 01:27:56 | soap | there are still some broken ones, but less all the time. |
| 01:28:31 | soap | Your desire, linuxstb, to have copyright holders be the sole uploaders of their work is not the direction I thought we were going (not that I have a problem with that rule.) |
| 01:29:26 | soap | I've been working on culling the themes from the old rockbox-themes.org site which: A- have a claimed permissive license, and B - appear at a moderate glance not to be copyright infringing. |
| 01:29:45 | soap | If we're going to require authors to upload I might as well stop that activity. |
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| 01:30:20 | MegafEee | hi all, what abou a x86 version? |
| 01:30:30 | Llorean | soap: I think that if A) the theme has CC-BY-SA as its license (as I thought we were going one-license for the new theme site to simplify things) and works in SVN Rockbox we should move it, personally |
| 01:30:35 | Llorean | MegafEee: What about one? |
| 01:30:45 | Zagor | targets and sims done. only boot left. |
| 01:31:23 | MegafEee | im just wondering, rockbox runing on my eee 701 |
| 01:31:46 | MegafEee | i have rock box instaled on my nano, since 2006 |
| 01:31:51 | MegafEee | or 05 |
| 01:31:52 | krazykit | MegafEee, you could run the sim. |
| 01:31:54 | Llorean | MegafEee: Do you mean "I have Rockbox running on my eee 701" or "I want to see rockbox running on my eee 701" or what? |
| 01:31:58 | * | Llorean thinks some words are missing. |
| 01:32:28 | MegafEee | Llorean, i would like to see |
| 01:32:38 | MegafEee | :) |
| 01:33:00 | Llorean | MegafEee: Rockbox isn't suited as an operating system for a PC really, but as krazykit mentioned there's always the simulator until someone does the work to make it more suitable as an app |
| 01:34:35 | MegafEee | yes,but, in fullscreen mode? |
| 01:34:58 | Llorean | No. |
| 01:35:02 | Llorean | As I said, nobody's done the work. |
| 01:37:09 | MegafEee | hm |
| 01:38:27 | Unhelpful | i'd suggest amarok, or quod libet, for a PC |
| 01:38:45 | MegafEee | you know, i think this would be nice if you just want to listen music or watch a film in your pc, |
| 01:39:00 | MegafEee | so, you will not need to wait |
| 01:39:07 | MegafEee | all boot process |
| 01:39:46 | Unhelpful | MegafEee: there are solutions for that already, but this should be moved to the -community channel |
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| 01:43:43 | * | Llorean notes that Rockbox is also about the worst imaginable video player for PC use. |
| 01:44:13 | Zagor | I would appreciate if those with a few spare minutes could try out the makefile patch (FS #9534) and report if you find problems with any targets. |
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| 01:45:15 | Unhelpful | Zagor: vs current svn? |
| 01:45:48 | Zagor | Unhelpful: no, just if there are any problems with it. the speed is not important. |
| 01:47:32 | Zagor | I'm off to bed. see you all in the morning. |
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| 01:56:37 | SolarP1993DS | does album art have to be a specific size for the sansa c200 |
| 01:58:29 | SolarP1993DS | ? |
| 01:58:52 | Llorean | The size depends on your theme, not your player. |
| 01:59:40 | SolarP1993DS | oh well im using "yap" |
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| 02:00:29 | Llorean | Just check in the .wps file, and use the wiki page for custom wps creation to check what size the theme expects. |
| 02:01:22 | SolarP1993DS | ok thanks man |
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| 02:03:54 | pixelma | SolarP1993DS: the album art size of the loaded WPS (provided the WPS has that) is also displayed in the "Rockbox Info" screen (in the system menu) |
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| 04:30:32 | pireau | Hello, anyone playing with a chip from Telechip ? |
| 04:31:05 | pireau | I figured a way to get the files listed on http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=10164.90 ... |
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| 05:46:28 | webguest35 | I seem to have a bit of trouble getting videos to work in Rockbox on my 5.5th gen 80gb iPod... Does anyone know where I might find the correct settings for what to convert videos too? |
| 05:47:31 | Unhelpful | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer |
| 05:47:56 | Unhelpful | mpeg1 or mpeg2 video, mpeg layer 2 or 3 audio, in mpeg system stream container, i believe |
| 05:48:10 | webguest35 | Ah, thanks a bunch :) I'll try that. |
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| 05:50:27 | saxamo | Is it me or are any others getting more bugs/glitches in 3.0 than the last stable? In Sansa e200 series... |
| 05:50:54 | Llorean | There was no last stable. |
| 05:53:12 | Llorean | And if you're experiencing bugs you should upgrade to the current build, confirm how to reproduce them, and report them in the tracker |
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| 06:01:40 | saxamo | Sorry, that's a good point. The bugs aren't all too reproducible, a crash here, a slowdown there. But I will pay more attention next time, thanks! |
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| 06:07:22 | webguest35 | Anyone know what I should set the bitrates too for videos on 5.5th gen iPod? |
| 06:08:12 | Llorean | webguest35: Generally speaking, video performance on the 5.5G in Rockbox is just going to be poor. |
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| 06:10:17 | webguest35 | Aw, alright. Thanks for the warning. Guess I'll just use the apple OS for vids. |
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| 08:08:19 | ConstructingGod | hey guys |
| 08:09:30 | ConstructingGod | quick question, i dont know what i changed but for some reason rockbox firmware wont display hidden folders. a few days ago before this happen i was able to view hidden folders on rockbox so i dont know whats going on |
| 08:09:52 | B4gder | it's a setting, what files to show |
| 08:11:57 | ConstructingGod | under what menu |
| 08:12:31 | scorche | the manual should go into it...show files |
| 08:13:23 | ConstructingGod | where in the manual? general settings? |
| 08:13:39 | scorche | somewhere in the manual... |
| 08:16:24 | Unhelpful | nobody here has the manual memorized, either. and if one of us would have to look it up to be able to answer you, there's really no reason that you shouldn't go do that yourself. it's not about trying to be jerks, just expecting people to help themselves when they can. |
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| 08:16:34 | ConstructingGod | ok ty |
| 08:17:32 | ConstructingGod | so, what cool settings do u guys always change? this firmware has a labourious menu system i sometimes feel like im missing out cause there is so much to configure |
| 08:19:14 | Unhelpful | on a fresh install? the first thing i do is turn on the database. file browsing is for people who don't actually like being able to find the music they want. ;) |
| 08:19:59 | ConstructingGod | oh yeah definatly i have it set to auto update too |
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| 08:21:56 | ConstructingGod | i recently found car adaptor mode, that is cool too if u never used it |
| 08:22:01 | ConstructingGod | but only for car lol |
| 08:22:13 | Unhelpful | Zagor: your unified make patch builds a working rockbox for my beast. or it did, until i cleaned untracked files from my git repo, which was somehow not tracking things that did come from SVN. not your fault, that. :/ |
| 08:22:26 | Zagor | oops |
| 08:22:49 | Zagor | thank you for testing |
| 08:23:12 | Unhelpful | i'm not sure if my repo was corrupted somehow, or if the git mirror i had initialized it from was bad. building a fresh one from scratch now, probably killing the SVN server. :/ |
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| 08:23:46 | Unhelpful | no problem. recursive make should die wherever it can. :D |
| 08:25:01 | Zagor | you're svn pulling goes awfully slow |
| 08:25:20 | Zagor | the server is idle |
| 08:25:34 | Zagor | odd |
| 08:26:17 | Unhelpful | it's been going for ages now. literally hours. perhaps merging the revs into git is the bottleneck, or the network on my end. |
| 08:26:28 | ConstructingGod | ok i searched the word resume in the manual and skim around the area, but i couldnt find it. does the new firmware of rockbox have this option: |
| 08:26:28 | ConstructingGod | like ur playing music and than u turn it off. and than u turn it back on, well it doesnt play the music right away, instead u have to go down to the resume playback option. Well in the older firmware there is an option to resume playback instantly on power on, is there a way to do that on this new firmware of rockbox? |
| 08:26:55 | Zagor | ConstructingGod: it's still there, but not supported by all targets iirc |
| 08:27:29 | ConstructingGod | what u mean not supported by target? |
| 08:27:46 | Unhelpful | a target is a particular device on which rockbox can run |
| 08:27:59 | ConstructingGod | oh like the type of player? |
| 08:28:09 | ConstructingGod | mine is an iriver h10 20GB |
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| 08:29:16 | ConstructingGod | so im guessing mine is not supported anymore? |
| 08:29:20 | ConstructingGod | that feature i mean |
| 08:29:54 | Zagor | if it was supported before, it still is. we don't tend to remove features |
| 08:30:00 | Unhelpful | i don't know, i only have gigabeat s and a few sansas. i can't imagine why it would've been removed it rockbox used to do it on that target. |
| 08:30:44 | ConstructingGod | well im thinking (because the theme was greatly updated and much better looking now) they have to change the layout a bit? but ill check right now in my player to see if its still there |
| 08:31:54 | Unhelpful | the menu items are not part of the theme |
| 08:32:10 | ConstructingGod | its the default theme that came with rockbix |
| 08:32:25 | Unhelpful | you can change the font they're displayed in, but which options are available does not change. |
| 08:33:31 | Zagor | ConstructingGod: the setting is general->system->start screen. |
| 08:33:55 | ConstructingGod | ahh system no wonder, i was cheecking sound and general |
| 08:34:25 | ConstructingGod | i dont have a start screen option under susyem |
| 08:34:47 | ConstructingGod | only rockbox info, version, running time, sleep timer, debug (keep out) |
| 08:35:21 | Zagor | general settings |
| 08:36:16 | Zagor | hmm, we have a bug in the manuals where at least xpdf doesn't find the text in all-caps. |
| 08:37:40 | Unhelpful | sound more like in xpdf, perhaps? |
| 08:37:47 | ConstructingGod | ok i went into the start screen menu and i dont get it, when i click on anything in that menu it takes me back to previous menu |
| 08:38:05 | ConstructingGod | i tried all buttons, its either scroll or back to previous menu |
| 08:38:41 | ConstructingGod | oh |
| 08:38:45 | ConstructingGod | i think i get it |
| 08:38:54 | ConstructingGod | its the screen i choose to how my player starts |
| 08:39:00 | ConstructingGod | sec let me see if this will fix it |
| 08:39:06 | amiconn | linuxstb: there? |
| 08:39:20 | Zagor | Unhelpful: perhaps. I don't have any non-linux machine to try other readers in |
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| 08:39:56 | ConstructingGod | yay it worked thanks zagor |
| 08:40:09 | Zagor | ConstructingGod: you're welcome |
| 08:40:47 | ConstructingGod | im so in love with this firmware, its like a living thing it knows exactly whats going on and what u want to do, it stops playing when headphones remove and knows when i shut my car off |
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| 08:41:15 | Unhelpful | if there were a "one-page" version of the online manual, perhaps that would make it easier for users to search the whole thing for random text. |
| 08:41:18 | scorche | it also knows when you sleep |
| 08:41:26 | scorche | it plots |
| 08:42:03 | ConstructingGod | i can do file browsing by folders AND id3 tags (something every player needs to do) and my fav part of the whole thing, i can edit/save/create playlists and delete songs on the spot! |
| 08:43:15 | Zagor | Evince Document Viewer (pdf reader in Gnome) has the same problem. though it's probably based on the same code as xpdf. |
| 08:43:39 | ConstructingGod | speaking of id3 tags, musicbrainz picard is a good program if anyone has a large collection of music with mismatched id3 tags. i used it to fix my music b4 transfer to rockbox |
| 08:44:17 | Zagor | it's rather a problem since the small-caps words are often the ones you search for. such as "resume" in this case, which doesn't find the "resume playback" setting because it is written in smallcaps... |
| 08:44:41 | Zagor | can anyone try in windows? |
| 08:45:07 | ConstructingGod | im in windows, what do u want me to do? |
| 08:45:51 | Zagor | load up the manual (h10 in my test) and search for "resume playback", case insensitive. see if you find the text in chapter 8.5.1 |
| 08:46:09 | ConstructingGod | the pdf or the html version |
| 08:46:12 | Zagor | pdf |
| 08:46:14 | ConstructingGod | k |
| 08:46:15 | Unhelpful | pdf |
| 08:47:05 | ConstructingGod | it found that phrase in the table of contents, i click next and it takes me to secttion 5.6 |
| 08:47:23 | Zagor | keep going |
| 08:47:43 | Zagor | you'll find it in 7.6 too, and then 8.5.9? |
| 08:47:45 | B4gder | I found them too, acrobat reader on linux |
| 08:47:48 | ConstructingGod | clicking next after that takes me to 7.6 |
| 08:47:59 | Zagor | and the next? |
| 08:48:02 | ConstructingGod | n than 8.5.1 |
| 08:48:26 | Zagor | ok so it's a problem in xpdf then. thanks. |
| 08:48:57 | ConstructingGod | n after 8.5.1 im at 8.5.9 |
| 08:50:03 | Zagor | who is our tex god? |
| 08:50:10 | Zagor | gevaerts? |
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| 08:51:27 | ConstructingGod | tex? |
| 08:51:51 | Zagor | ConstructingGod: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TeX |
| 08:52:00 | Unhelpful | it's a formatting/markup language. i assume our fine manual is written in it? |
| 08:52:05 | Zagor | yes it is |
| 08:52:32 | ConstructingGod | how do i check |
| 08:53:25 | Unhelpful | Zagor: for what it's worth, adobe's acroread on linux works correctly. |
| 08:53:46 | ConstructingGod | im using foxit reader for viewing the .pdf |
| 08:53:48 | Zagor | Unhelpful: ok, good to know |
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| 08:59:19 | Zagor | can someone try a few cygwin builds with FS #9534 applied? |
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| 09:32:12 | linuxstb | amiconn_: Here now. |
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| 09:33:08 | amiconn | linuxstb: I did some tests regarding the speed differences between targets which *should* have the same speed |
| 09:33:53 | amiconn | Difference between mini g2 and ipod photo is ~7% for ape regardless of compression level, but for other codecs, the difference is not the same |
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| 09:34:20 | amiconn | For mp3, it's ~3.5%, but for ogg it's ~12% |
| 09:34:50 | * | amiconn didn't check whether ogg uses more iram on PP5022 though |
| 09:36:03 | linuxstb | Did you reduce/account for the lcd updates? Although I would be surprised if they have that much effect. |
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| 09:37:16 | amiconn | No, this is plain SVN test_codec |
| 09:37:44 | amiconn | Right now I'm testing on c200, and I get the roughly the same speed as on mini g2 |
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| 10:37:02 | amiconn | linuxstb: lcd_update() is not the cause. I disabled it completely in log_text() if 'advance' is false. The Photo became a little bit faster, but that accounts only for a very small part of the ~7% difference.... |
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| 10:37:53 | * | amiconn will also disable the actual text output if 'advance' is false |
| 10:38:37 | amiconn | linuxstb: Btw, there is no difference in APE IRAM usage on PP5020 vs. PP5022 |
| 10:38:49 | amiconn | (only 5002 is difefrent) |
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| 10:44:14 | gevaerts | Zagor: I can't get your latest patch to apply properly |
| 10:44:24 | Zagor | oh? |
| 10:45:27 | gevaerts | First fail is on apps/Makefile (Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected! Assume -R) |
| 10:45:42 | amiconn | linuxstb: APE -c1000, iPod Photo, SVN test_codec: 130.0%, no lcd_update(): 131.4%, no lcd_update() and no lcd_puts(): 131.5% |
| 10:45:44 | markun | Zagor: while you're working on the build system, can't we make it possible to build the tools directly from tools/ ? |
| 10:46:02 | B4gder | markun: how would that work? |
| 10:46:11 | B4gder | it still needs some variables iirc |
| 10:46:16 | amiconn | Compare that with Mini G2, SVN test_codec: 139.7% (c240 achieves 138.9%) |
| 10:46:22 | B4gder | ie that are detected by configure |
| 10:46:25 | Unhelpful | gevaerts: it applies for me, if you mean the unified make one |
| 10:46:43 | Zagor | gevaerts: hmm, apps/Makefile is removed completely in the latest patch |
| 10:46:52 | amiconn | Looks like there is a performance difference between PP5020 and PP5022, even though IRAM usage is the same... |
| 10:47:13 | markun | B4gder: I didn't know that. Which tools are that? scramble? |
| 10:47:22 | B4gder | I don't remember exat |
| 10:47:25 | B4gder | exactly |
| 10:47:34 | gevaerts | Maybe an issue with my options to patch |
| 10:47:38 | B4gder | I just recall the reason being something likethat |
| 10:48:04 | amiconn | B4gder: Afaik the only reason is that not all tools are needed for all targets |
| 10:48:09 | Zagor | B4gder: I can't find any such variable use |
| 10:48:14 | pixelma | Zagor: the one regularly around who knows most about LaTeX is bluebrother |
| 10:48:16 | B4gder | ah right, that's the reason |
| 10:48:47 | amiconn | The tools are built *in* tools/, so they can't differ per target |
| 10:48:47 | B4gder | it only builds the tools necessary for the particular target |
| 10:48:55 | Zagor | ok. the tools are still built from the build dir. but we can also allow them to be built in tools |
| 10:49:10 | B4gder | no the tools don't differ but the set differ |
| 10:49:16 | Zagor | right |
| 10:49:43 | Zagor | how do they differ, btw? I don't have any conditionals in my tool build list |
| 10:49:54 | B4gder | Zagor: there's a list of tools to build |
| 10:49:55 | Zagor | uclpack, of course |
| 10:50:06 | B4gder | ... in configure |
| 10:50:37 | Zagor | is it? it doesn't seem to be printed to Makefile |
| 10:50:41 | gevaerts | Zagor: the problem is in the $Id$ lines |
| 10:51:24 | B4gder | Zagor: @TOOLSET@ |
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| 10:52:02 | Zagor | B4gder: yeah, it's in configure but is never printed... |
| 10:52:11 | aditya | Hi every1 |
| 10:52:24 | B4gder | but it is passed in to the make that is run in tools/ |
| 10:52:31 | B4gder | so only those targets are built |
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| 10:52:42 | aditya | I want some help regarding using rockbox as an app for motomagx phones |
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| 10:53:23 | Zagor | B4gder: aha |
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| 10:54:00 | B4gder | aditya: that patch has never made it to the official rockbox so all we know is that there is or was some work on that |
| 10:54:09 | aditya | B4gder can u help |
| 10:54:28 | aditya | me make the patch |
| 10:54:31 | * | B4gder brings out his crystal ball and looks |
| 10:54:35 | aditya | Do i need all the hardware |
| 10:54:38 | aditya | details |
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| 10:54:47 | B4gder | what are you talking about? |
| 10:54:58 | B4gder | can you please clarify what you need help with? |
| 10:55:03 | aditya | I wanna port rckbox to motorola zn5 |
| 10:55:21 | B4gder | aditya: and that runs Linux right? is sdl ported to it? |
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| 10:55:46 | aditya | No thats is the ezx linux for the old phones |
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| 10:56:01 | aditya | Motomagx Is the new 1 |
| 10:56:13 | Zagor | ...and it runs what? |
| 10:56:14 | B4gder | new 1? |
| 10:56:17 | aditya | Z6 has it and rockbox has been ported to z6 |
| 10:56:24 | B4gder | has what? |
| 10:56:28 | aditya | it runs linux but a different version |
| 10:56:42 | * | B4gder 's head is spinning |
| 10:56:48 | aditya | it has the motomagx version of linux not ezx |
| 10:56:56 | Zagor | aditya: please relax and try to form complete sentences |
| 10:57:06 | aditya | ezx is the version for which the sdl is available |
| 10:57:19 | B4gder | ah, so the one you have has no sdl? |
| 10:57:22 | aditya | okay |
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| 10:57:40 | aditya | yea I do not have a sdl |
| 10:58:05 | aditya | but a phone with similar os i.e. z6 is running rockbox |
| 10:58:19 | B4gder | right, on sdl |
| 10:58:30 | B4gder | so I'd suggest you first get sdl running |
| 10:58:34 | aditya | no not on sdl |
| 10:58:40 | aditya | there is no sdl for z6 |
| 10:58:41 | B4gder | then how? |
| 10:58:49 | aditya | thats what I wanna know |
| 10:58:52 | B4gder | then that's something nobody told us about |
| 10:59:00 | B4gder | ask them who did it |
| 10:59:04 | B4gder | they never told us |
| 10:59:10 | aditya | I can't find the person |
| 10:59:16 | aditya | I could find the app though |
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| 11:00:44 | B4gder | the patch for motorola ezx did use sdl |
| 11:01:11 | aditya | yes I know that I have made the one usgin sdl |
| 11:01:20 | aditya | But this one is way different |
| 11:01:32 | aditya | I have no hardware or software details of the os |
| 11:02:01 | B4gder | then I guess you're up for some work |
| 11:02:27 | aditya | hmmmm............ I wish I can find the guy who made it for z6 |
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| 11:02:57 | Zagor | aditya: start with reading this: http://www.motorola.com/mot/doc/6/6864_MotDoc.pdf |
| 11:03:05 | aditya | I'm also working on the rockboxplayerlittle |
| 11:03:13 | aditya | the hardware |
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| 11:04:11 | aditya | I have that pdf , I also have the motodev studio but it doesn't support any phones as yet it's for the phones coming in the future |
| 11:04:28 | aditya | how great is that!!! |
| 11:04:43 | Zagor | well there's not coming any more phones with that |
| 11:05:13 | Zagor | they have announced they're abandoning motomagx and focusing on androind and windows mobile |
| 11:05:15 | B4gder | aditya: well, at least that's a company who attempted to reveal details. we're used to complete secrecy! ;-) |
| 11:05:16 | aditya | then the studio is a waste |
| 11:05:58 | aditya | O about that, reas the forums on motodev, they are not abandoning motomagx, motorola official |
| 11:06:15 | aditya | read* |
| 11:06:29 | aditya | said that just shifting focus |
| 11:06:55 | B4gder | I thought Motorola was going down the drain anyway ;-) |
| 11:07:44 | Zagor | aditya: "shifting focus" is corporate speak for "stop wasting money on" |
| 11:07:52 | aditya | no I believe if they give out better sdk's they will lead cause their hardware and base os is simply amazing |
| 11:08:07 | Zagor | their base os? linux? |
| 11:08:21 | B4gder | yeah linux is cool |
| 11:08:39 | aditya | they new motozine zn5 has 500Mhz + cpu |
| 11:08:43 | aditya | yea linux |
| 11:09:34 | Zagor | aditya: find out what sort of graphics library they are using in motomagx. it uses webkit so it's probably not a major problem porting sdl to it. |
| 11:09:56 | Unhelpful | aditya: but with them switching to android, it's not going to be "their" OS so much. it'll be somethnig that plenty of others have, or at least can if they want to. :/ |
| 11:11:05 | aditya | with android it'll be a free world for application builders |
| 11:11:14 | aditya | no stopping then |
| 11:11:29 | Unhelpful | aditya: yes, but it won't be anything special or unique to moto. |
| 11:11:30 | Zagor | heh yeah just like the g1? very free... |
| 11:12:01 | B4gder | "what? people can run stuff as root? we need to stop that!" |
| 11:12:31 | aditya | I promise i'll try porting rockbox to g1 when it gets delivered to me in india |
| 11:12:54 | B4gder | :-) |
| 11:12:54 | aditya | why do we need to stop that? |
| 11:13:02 | B4gder | aditya: they did |
| 11:13:24 | aditya | na not yet I'm here, i'm waiting for it |
| 11:13:31 | B4gder | there's no super user access available on the g1 |
| 11:13:54 | B4gder | proving zagor's point |
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| 11:14:39 | aditya | sorry guys gotta go have an exam tomorrow!!! |
| 11:14:53 | Zagor | gevaerts: indeed, if the pdf code looks anything like the html no wonder it's hard to search |
| 11:15:34 | aditya | bye |
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| 13:09:07 | Zagor | do the bootloaders use bitmaps? |
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| 13:10:11 | Nico_P | I don't think they dp |
| 13:10:19 | Nico_P | s/dp/do |
| 13:12:02 | Zagor | I didn't think so either, but the bootloader Makefile compiles them |
| 13:14:27 | Zagor | also, what is the "romstart" file used for? |
| 13:16:03 | B4gder | to create the ROM_START define it seems |
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| 13:17:20 | Zagor | B4gder: which is used where? |
| 13:17:46 | B4gder | I don't know... |
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| 13:58:57 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: hello friend :) |
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| 14:18:56 | kugel | Zagor: bootloader use bitmaps |
| 14:19:34 | kugel | Zagor: since a few month most (if not all) are showing the rockbox logo unless they need to tell something |
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| 14:23:20 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: ping |
| 14:23:37 | Zagor | kugel: yup, saw it in SOURCES. thanks. |
| 14:23:58 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: Zing :) |
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| 14:24:15 | LambdaCalculus37 | I'm going to test in a little bit. |
| 14:26:15 | kugel | Zagor: you're welcome :) |
| 14:27:02 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: thank you so much. I believe the version will fix the choppyness |
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| 14:51:27 | GodEater | grrrrrrr |
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| 14:54:56 | kugel | GodEater: go fix them :) |
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| 15:05:17 | DerGrunePunkt | Hi does someone have a Sansa with V1 firmare and installed a microSD card? |
| 15:06:53 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: Error in building. |
| 15:07:56 | DerGrunePunkt | so many?, please answer one by one :p |
| 15:08:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | Look in target/arm/imx31/gigabeat-s/backlight-imx31.c:36... comparison between pointer and integer. The label "_is_backlight_on" is used but not defined. |
| 15:08:58 | LambdaCalculus37 | s/36/136 |
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| 15:10:27 | pixelma | DerGrunePunkt: 1) patience - IRC is not "instant reply chat", not everyone is always looking at their monitor or even following the channel all the time ;) (2) it's better if you ask a more specific question, someone who knows will answer |
| 15:12:35 | DerGrunePunkt | ok, I can't get working an aditional SD card installed on my sansa e260(v1), I'm using rockbox 3.0-080923 |
| 15:13:52 | GodEater | in what way does it not work ? |
| 15:14:15 | pixelma | can you explain what doesn't work, also what size (GB) is your card? |
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| 15:20:55 | B4gder | SD cards don't fit, microsd cards do ;-) |
| 15:25:29 | DerGrunePunkt | it's a 4gb MICRO sd (same size that the internal disk) and when I plug the player to the PC I can't access the additional card |
| 15:25:41 | B4gder | that's expected |
| 15:25:53 | B4gder | the original firmware doesn't support >2GB cards |
| 15:26:20 | DerGrunePunkt | !? |
| 15:26:27 | Zagor | soo, who wants to try some fresh-baked bootloaders? |
| 15:26:39 | LambdaCalculus37 | Zagor: Ooh, me! :) |
| 15:26:48 | Zagor | LambdaCalculus37: which target? |
| 15:27:03 | LambdaCalculus37 | DerGrunePunkt: Do you have a card reader and a microSD card adapter? Use that. |
| 15:27:06 | DerGrunePunkt | I read somewhere that a 4gb player can be used with an 4gb card |
| 15:27:12 | LambdaCalculus37 | Zagor: What's freshly baked today? |
| 15:27:21 | Zagor | LambdaCalculus37: my makefiles |
| 15:27:32 | B4gder | DerGrunePunkt: With rockbox you can use larger cards that so, but the OF still can't read them |
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| 15:27:37 | Zagor | it's on-demand bakery |
| 15:27:39 | LambdaCalculus37 | Hmmm.... iPod Color? |
| 15:27:45 | Zagor | coming up |
| 15:28:30 | * | LambdaCalculus37 gets out his iPod color |
| 15:29:34 | DerGrunePunkt | great!, how access the files in the new card? |
| 15:29:38 | Zagor | LambdaCalculus37: http://bjorn.haxx.se/testing/bootloader-ipodcolor.ipod |
| 15:30:04 | B4gder | DerGrunePunkt: Rockbox can access them when you run it, and to get files onto it you probably use a card reader in your PC |
| 15:30:23 | B4gder | (or you rebuild Rockbox with the USB stack enabled) |
| 15:30:49 | LambdaCalculus37 | Zagor: Thanks. I'll install it in a couple of minutes. |
| 15:31:04 | Zagor | anyone else wants some steaming hot .. uh .. bootloaders? |
| 15:31:12 | DerGrunePunkt | let me see |
| 15:35:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | What was the option to write an outside bootloader file to the iPod with iPodpatcher? |
| 15:35:27 | GodEater | LambdaCalculus37: ipodpatcher -h will tell you ;) |
| 15:35:28 | n1s | -a i think |
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| 15:36:30 | GodEater | -a if it's in .ipod format, -ab if it's .bin |
| 15:37:21 | * | LambdaCalculus37 writes Zagor's bootloader to his iPod color |
| 15:38:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | Zagor: Success. :) |
| 15:39:03 | Zagor | yay |
| 15:39:53 | LambdaCalculus37 | linuxstb: Regarding http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=19300.msg139071#msg139071 ; I'm betting he's using an iPod video, because I recognize that behavior. My iPod video does the same thing. |
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| 15:43:28 | DerGrunePunkt | should I name the forlders with a particular name? |
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| 15:45:22 | J-23 | anything new with Sansa v2 SD driver? |
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| 15:46:48 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: yay another stupid typo |
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| 15:48:11 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: add a 0 after <= in line 136 of firmware/target/arm/imx31/gigabeat-s/backlight-imx31.c |
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| 15:49:15 | kugel | Zagor: let me try too |
| 15:49:17 | DerGrunePunkt | MSD: Not present |
| 15:49:28 | Zagor | please do |
| 15:49:48 | kugel | need a e200 version |
| 15:49:51 | Zagor | ok |
| 15:50:14 | kugel | Zagor: the bin if possibly (I removed the of bootloader) |
| 15:50:21 | kugel | possible* |
| 15:51:17 | kugel | Zagor: and the "new" sansapatcher too if needed |
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| 15:51:48 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: There's a new Sansapatcher up on Flyspray. |
| 15:51:53 | LambdaCalculus37 | Let me go look it up. |
| 15:52:15 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: FS #9369 |
| 15:52:46 | Zagor | kugel: so you want the .bin and not the .mi4? |
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| 15:53:10 | kugel | Zagor: yep |
| 15:53:24 | Zagor | http://bjorn.haxx.se/testing/e200-bootloader.bin |
| 15:53:43 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: I meant "new" as in compiled with the new makefile (if sansapatcher is concerned with it) |
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| 15:55:35 | Zagor | kugel: no, it isn't affected |
| 15:56:38 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: apparently the sansapatcher on that tracker entry doesn't work |
| 15:56:38 | Zagor | hmm, why is descramble and sh2d listed in the TOOLSET variable? those are hardly needed to build rockbox |
| 15:58:02 | B4gder | I think because they're related tools and it's not that easy to build them otherwise |
| 15:58:33 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: We may have to make new Sansapatchers with the new makefile, then. |
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| 16:00:31 | Zagor | B4gder: ok. since we can now run make in tools, I'll strip them from the main Makefile |
| 16:00:43 | n1s | Zagor, Bagder: Wouldn't it be a worthwhile simplification to just build all the tools? it's not like people (or buildservers) do "make veryclean" often |
| 16:00:53 | B4gder | Zagor: sounds fine to me |
| 16:01:12 | B4gder | yeah I could agree to building all the tools |
| 16:01:30 | Zagor | n1s: yeah I think so too. it certainly makes the build script one less cryptic $(patsubst) line simpler :-) |
| 16:02:15 | kugel | Zagor: works fine |
| 16:02:29 | Zagor | kugel: excellent. thank you. |
| 16:03:26 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: have you fixed it and recompiled? |
| 16:03:53 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: Not yet. Boss is around. <_< >_> |
| 16:05:08 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: i bet he'll be impressed by the backlight fading. go on :) |
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| 16:08:23 | Zagor | does anyone want to take a deeper look at this before I commit? I have about an hour to fix problems before I have to go... |
| 16:10:04 | B4gder | Zagor: I was planning at giving it a closer look tonight... |
| 16:10:24 | Zagor | ok, I'll wait |
| 16:12:04 | nicktastic | Which rockbox-supported DAP has the largest storage capacity, and is still on the market? |
| 16:12:15 | nicktastic | My X5 just went MIA. |
| 16:12:19 | B4gder | that's easy: none |
| 16:12:46 | nicktastic | Hm |
| 16:15:30 | Zagor | cowon d2 is missing LCD_REMOTE_DEPTH |
| 16:16:28 | B4gder | does it have a remote? |
| 16:16:37 | Zagor | ah, simply another error in configure |
| 16:16:40 | GodEater | I didn't know it had one at all, let alone one with a display |
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| 16:19:48 | linuxstb | LambdaCalculus37: I would expect it to be either the Nano or Video - they both had new backlight code (the same code) added relatively recently, so could both have that issue. |
| 16:23:16 | LambdaCalculus37 | linuxstb: Since I don't have a nano, I didn't know that it would be affected like this as well. Thanks for pointing that out. |
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| 16:28:13 | linuxstb | LambdaCalculus37: And the Apple firmware for the Nano doesn't implement backlight fading, even though it's the same backlight hardware as the Video... (and it works in Rockbox) |
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| 16:33:52 | Zagor | commit candidate patch posted |
| 16:33:55 | Zagor | see you later |
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| 16:34:49 | kugel | linuxstb: I guess the bootloader init's the backlight with DEFAULT_BRIGHTNESS_SETTING (which all backlight drivers I know do), whereas the apple of bootloader inits it with 100% |
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| 16:44:01 | * | LambdaCalculus37 makes that fix to kugel's typo |
| 16:46:06 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: Line 136 of firmware/target/arm/imx31/gigabeat-s/backlight-imx31.c should be 'if (brightnexx <= 0 && _is_backlight_on)', correct? |
| 16:46:25 | LambdaCalculus37 | s/brightnexx/brightness |
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| 16:48:12 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: correct |
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| 16:56:39 | whydoubt_ | Anybody have a clue if the refurbished Sansa e250's at NewEgg right now would be v1 or v2? Not sure I want to spend the $25 if I can't load rockbox. ;-) |
| 16:57:28 | B4gder | refurbished (at that price) is usually v1 |
| 16:59:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | Froobi is a safer bet for getting a v1. |
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| 17:05:55 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: Cross your fingers! :) |
| 17:07:26 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: I do! |
| 17:07:33 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: It works. |
| 17:07:42 | kugel | I know :D |
| 17:07:53 | kugel | No, honestly, I'm glad it's working finally |
| 17:08:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | Backlight fades in and out, I can interrupt the fade out and it returns to the correct setting. |
| 17:08:06 | whydoubt_ | B4gder, LambdaCalculus37: thanks |
| 17:08:18 | LambdaCalculus37 | And I can also set the brightness correctly. |
| 17:08:18 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: it was choppy because I wrote #ifdef instead of #ifndef |
| 17:08:30 | LambdaCalculus37 | whydoubt_: No problem! |
| 17:08:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: It's smoother now, too. |
| 17:08:53 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: now talk to jhMikeS or rather mailing list? |
| 17:09:27 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: sure about that? Wasn't intended. Maybe because I inlined a function it's faster/more effictive |
| 17:09:27 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: Fix that typo, post it again, and I'll speak to jhMikeS. |
| 17:09:54 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: The fadeout is smoother now than before. |
| 17:10:16 | LambdaCalculus37 | It's a little slow, but it does fade more smoothly. |
| 17:10:26 | kugel | sounds good |
| 17:10:39 | kugel | from the highest setting too? |
| 17:11:54 | LambdaCalculus37 | Smooth even from the highest setting. |
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| 17:16:07 | sin613 | according to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IaudioPort#Rockbox_Status the power handling for those devices is somewhere around 10% complete. what do i need to know/understand before i'm able to pursue working on that? |
| 17:18:20 | B4gder | there might not be any x5 experts around atm |
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| 17:18:26 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: If you'd like, I can also correct the typo in your patch and repost it. |
| 17:20:52 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: no, I'll add some comments |
| 17:21:10 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: Okay. |
| 17:22:11 | sin613 | B4gder: who should i get in touch with? |
| 17:22:14 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: however you might try if commenting out #define HAVE_BACKLIGHT_THREAD_FADING in the target config works |
| 17:22:41 | B4gder | sin613: I think amiconn and LinusN might know the answers, they frequent this channel |
| 17:24:10 | sin613 | thanks |
| 17:24:57 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: Also, I'm gonna rename HAVE_BACKLIGHT_THREAD_FADING to USE_ since it's optional in the end |
| 17:28:36 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: Okay, I'll try that out in a little bit and I'll give you an update status. |
| 17:29:27 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: no need to try that. I tried on my sansa and my search&replace didn't fail |
| 17:30:05 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: should I add some copyright notices for me and Martin Ritter? |
| 17:30:30 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: You can add "Additional work by..." to the headers. |
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| 17:37:23 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: can you please test if inserting usb cable is working properly? |
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| 17:39:38 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: Sure. |
| 17:40:41 | LambdaCalculus37 | Works on my beast. |
| 17:40:42 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: also without that #define |
| 17:41:16 | kugel | I'm getting crashes, but only when it's not defined |
| 17:41:26 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: I'll have to roll another build. |
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| 17:43:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: Give me a couple of minutes to finish some work up, and I'll get another build going with that #define commented out. |
| 17:43:22 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: ok, thank you |
| 17:44:23 | beta2k | Roll another build or roll another.... ? |
| 17:44:49 | LambdaCalculus37 | beta2k: Some patch testing. |
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| 17:54:57 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: Okay, rolling a new build now with the #define commented out. |
| 17:57:25 | * | Strife89 wonders if ya'll are working on the backlight code. |
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| 18:00:21 | kugel | Strife89: I am |
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| 18:04:38 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: Commenting out the #define causes make to crap out with an error. |
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| 18:14:53 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: fixed: http://pastebin.ca/1256272 |
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| 18:17:23 | kugel | hmm, gcc didn't give a warning where it should |
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| 18:19:53 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: I'll try in a bit. |
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| 18:41:52 | kugel | how can I turn on more sensible warning? |
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| 18:46:35 | * | kugel decides to make his pc responsible for this issue |
| 18:47:09 | LambdaCalculus37 | Yes, blame the PC. :P |
| 18:51:34 | kugel | well, I get many warnings when making tools |
| 18:51:47 | kugel | no warning at all when making bin |
| 18:52:20 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: Everything is properly #ifdef'd, I checked the diff like 3 times. It must be my pc |
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| 18:56:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | Crap, I just screwed up reverting a patch. :( |
| 18:56:31 | LambdaCalculus37 | I accidentally reverted a patch twice, and now reapplying the same patch is causing everything to error out with end of hunk errors. |
| 18:57:38 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: "svn -R revert *" is your friend |
| 18:58:11 | kugel | it won't delete new files though, so make sure you manually delete backlight-thread-fading.c and .h |
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| 19:04:44 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: Any reason as to why firmware/export/backlight-thread-fading.h has two Rockbox headers and (mostly) the same code listed twice? |
| 19:05:37 | LambdaCalculus37 | The #ifndef on the upper half is _BACKLIGHT_THREAD_FADING_, and the one on the lower half is BACKLIGHT_THREAD_FADING_H. |
| 19:06:03 | LambdaCalculus37 | Ditto for a #define which is _BACKLIGHT_THREAD_FADING_ on the top, and BACKLIGHT_THREAD_FADING_H on the bottom. |
| 19:06:50 | LambdaCalculus37 | The bool and void values are the same on both the upper and lower parts. |
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| 19:07:37 | * | LambdaCalculus37 wonders if he can eliminate one Rockbox header and some of that redundant code |
| 19:09:48 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: Yea, I've noticed that too, and have it already fixed. It won't hurt your copy though |
| 19:10:31 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: you can just leave it, the #ifndef _BACKLIGHT_THREAD_FADING_ will avoid duplicated code after preprocessor |
| 19:10:38 | Gareth | Hello |
| 19:10:55 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: All right, but what about the second header? Can I remove one? |
| 19:11:12 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: you can leave it or remove it. The final patch version won't have it |
| 19:12:49 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: All right... here goes.... |
| 19:12:50 | * | LambdaCalculus37 makes |
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| 19:29:08 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: Successful build. |
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| 19:52:29 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: how's it running? |
| 19:54:21 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: It's running fine, but was this last patch supposed to add the backlight fading or no? |
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| 20:00:22 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: it was supposed to disable it in order to test if the old code is still working |
| 20:00:38 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: In that case, it's working perfectly. |
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| 20:03:18 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: good, let me upload the (hopefully) final version |
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| 20:08:15 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: done! |
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| 20:09:58 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: you might test that version one last time, I made the fade time slightly longer |
| 20:18:29 | LambdaCalculus37 | linuxstb: How much progress did you make with the AV300? |
| 20:18:53 | linuxstb | I'm not sure... I'm just looking at my tree now, it seems there's some work I never committed. |
| 20:20:04 | linuxstb | I think I was last working on the lcd driver - I didn't get as far as getting that working. |
| 20:21:04 | linuxstb | I _think_ the ata driver was working, so I could dump things to disk for testing. |
| 20:21:59 | linuxstb | The bootloader compiles, but the main build stops on mp3_playback.c - the MAS driver is obviously very closely linked to the SH-1, but the AV300 has an ARM CPU. |
| 20:22:47 | LambdaCalculus37 | linuxstb: Yes, a TI TMS320-based CPU, right? |
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| 20:23:09 | linuxstb | Right. |
| 20:23:41 | LambdaCalculus37 | The JBMM/AV100 is largely the same hardware as the AV300. |
| 20:24:59 | LambdaCalculus37 | I had been wondering just how much of the AV300 code can be adapted to make an AV100 port. |
| 20:27:08 | linuxstb | Apart from the basics, it's going to be quite a hard port - it will be a mixture of hwcodec (for mpeg audio) and swcodec (for other formats), requiring the pcm codec to be loaded to the MAS between tracks... |
| 20:29:02 | linuxstb | And the CPU itself is quite slow (around 50-60MHz IIRC), so not all formats will be playable. |
| 20:29:30 | LambdaCalculus37 | linuxstb: I figure that the port can start out HWCODEC only, and then we can just add codecs that are playable. |
| 20:29:32 | gevaerts | No ape? |
| 20:29:52 | linuxstb | gevaerts: That's a safe assumption. |
| 20:29:58 | LambdaCalculus37 | Certainly not on these targets. IIRC the TMS320 is an ARM7TDMI running at ~54MHz. |
| 20:30:13 | LambdaCalculus37 | 32KB of IRAM and no cache. |
| 20:30:36 | LambdaCalculus37 | It's a TMS320DSC25, to be specific. |
| 20:30:45 | linuxstb | LambdaCalculus37: It's a lot more than "just add codecs", but yes, it would make sense too start as hwcodec only. |
| 20:31:31 | linuxstb | But to get the basics working should be relatively easy - there are leaked datasheets, plus source code from archopen |
| 20:31:41 | amiconn | linuxstb: Got my remarks regarding PP5020 vs. PP5022 performance? |
| 20:31:56 | kugel | gevaerts: in 5 month, when amiconn finished optimizing, -c1000 may be playable |
| 20:32:04 | LambdaCalculus37 | linuxstb: It's more logical to do it that way, so we can at least say "yes, we have working sound and playback", and then worry about which codecs will work well on the target later on. |
| 20:33:14 | * | kugel hopes jhMikeS comes back |
| 20:33:33 | linuxstb | amiconn: Yes. Do you have any theories? AFAIK, the ARM cores should be identical, so that leaves things like caches and external memory. |
| 20:33:40 | amiconn | linuxstb, LambdaCalculus37: Afaik you need the mas pcm codec in order to be able to output pcm (i.e. swcodec stuff) |
| 20:34:24 | amiconn | linuxstb: Yes, the cores are identical. The funny thing is that for APE, PP5002 performance is very close to PP5022, while PP5020 is a few percent slower |
| 20:34:52 | linuxstb | amiconn: Yes, you do. archopen used it, but I think they just extracted a binary blob from the Archos firmware... |
| 20:35:21 | amiconn | linuxstb: We have that thing, officially from archos+micronas, including documentation |
| 20:35:35 | amiconn | PP5002 has all time critical code in IRAM (and the insane filter buffer in DRAM instead), PP50020 and PP5022 have code in DRAM and buffers in IRAM instead |
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| 20:36:05 | amiconn | So the only cause I can imagine is that the PP5022 somehow has a more efficient cache |
| 20:36:36 | luis_ | hi, How can I use am aditional micro sd memory in a sansa e260 player? |
| 20:37:18 | advcomp2019 | luis_, put the card in the slot |
| 20:37:19 | bertrik | use a card reader/writer to put some music on the card, then place it in the sansa |
| 20:37:31 | amiconn | In order to be really sure, it would be nice if someone could test APE performance on an ipod G4 or a Mini G1 |
| 20:38:06 | linuxstb | I could test on my ipod color. What's your test track? |
| 20:38:08 | luis_ | bertrik, I did that and I cant find the music that is in the aditional card |
| 20:38:23 | bertrik | luis_, you're using rockbox, right? |
| 20:38:41 | luis_ | bertrik, yes 3.0 |
| 20:38:49 | luis_ | :p |
| 20:39:01 | linuxstb | luis_: Using the "Database" option, or "Files" ? |
| 20:39:09 | amiconn | linuxstb: I tested on color myself. I suggested G4 or Mini G1 because these are PP5020 + greyscale LCD |
| 20:39:26 | amiconn | (to make really sure it has nothing to do with the display) |
| 20:39:42 | amiconn | Hmm, another reason could be different DRAM access speed |
| 20:40:24 | luis_ | linuxstb: I did that |
| 20:40:40 | luis_ | with no luck |
| 20:40:43 | linuxstb | luis_: Did what? |
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| 20:41:09 | luis_ | sorry, using the files and database, |
| 20:41:47 | luis_ | In system -> rockbox info says: "MSD: not present" |
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| 20:42:54 | luis_ | which filesystem the card should have? |
| 20:43:07 | linuxstb | FAT16 or FAT32 |
| 20:43:11 | bertrik | luis_, ok that's weird, is it a SDHC or a regular SD? if it is an SD card, does it work with the original firmware? |
| 20:43:21 | gevaerts | amiconn: maybe m:robe 100? |
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| 20:43:38 | luis_ | micro sd hc |
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| 20:44:36 | amiconn | gevaerts: That would probably work too |
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| 20:45:09 | advcomp2019 | luis_, rockbox should read it but you need a sdhc card reader to put stuff on it |
| 20:46:01 | amiconn | LambdaCalculus37: A JBMM /AV1x0 port would probably be a good thing. It would require some work towards hwcodec+swcodec unification... |
| 20:46:02 | * | kugel likes to add that rockbox can read microsdhc just fine, in contrast to the of, which is why you need a card reader |
| 20:46:07 | luis_ | I have one in here |
| 20:46:42 | kugel | just because it have been said multiple times already |
| 20:46:55 | luis_ | well, some other thing must be wrong, thanks guys!!! |
| 20:46:57 | kugel | luis_: did you make sure the card is really inserted? |
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| 20:47:18 | gevaerts | amiconn: the standard CodecPerformanceComparison test track? |
| 20:47:18 | kugel | gone.. |
| 20:48:39 | kugel | bertrik: you can give the backlight fading patch a test if you want (FS #6800). It's gone final |
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| 20:57:32 | LambdaCalculus37 | amiconn: I can also test APE performance on my iPod color. |
| 20:57:42 | amiconn | No need to... |
| 20:57:48 | LambdaCalculus37 | Okay. |
| 20:57:58 | * | amiconn has 2 colour PP5020 targets himself |
| 20:58:08 | amiconn | Unfortunately no monochrome or greyscale |
| 20:58:26 | LambdaCalculus37 | As for the JBMM/AV1x0 port, I'm watching an eBay auction for a JBMM. If I can get it, then I can start looking into a port again. |
| 20:59:34 | LambdaCalculus37 | amiconn: I had a 4G greyscale, but I traded it for my 2G iPod. |
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| 21:15:50 | gevaerts | amiconn: mr100 131.43% |
| 21:16:05 | amiconn | Thanks. That proves my theory |
| 21:16:54 | amiconn | I got 130.0% on ipod Photo, and 131.5% without text output and LCD update during the test |
| 21:17:26 | amiconn | PP5022 achieved 138.9% (c240) resp. 139.7% (Mini G2) |
| 21:18:42 | gevaerts | So colour eats about 1% |
| 21:19:12 | amiconn | Yes, also depending a bit on LCD size |
| 21:19:36 | amiconn | But the PP5020 vs. PP5022 difference is larger than that |
| 21:19:56 | amiconn | ...even though IRAM usage is the same in the APE codec |
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| 21:39:04 | LambdaCalculus37 | Just curious, but where's lowlight been lately? I saw him pop in and out on the forums in the past few days, but I haven't seen anything else from him. |
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| 21:45:22 | saratoga | amiconn: the ipodlinux "bogomips" benchmark always reported the PP5022 as a couple percent faster then PP5020 as well |
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| 21:45:34 | saratoga | i assumed they tweaked the cache or memory controller a little |
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| 22:21:13 | bluebrother | ok, one idea for the themes: how about having each theme from t.r.o include an "install log" file? Like /.rockbox/logs/theme.ini? |
| 22:21:29 | bluebrother | that way rbutil could also find and uninstall themes that have been installed manually |
| 22:21:46 | bluebrother | the same could be done for other extra packages |
| 22:23:01 | Llorean | Works for me. Just a list of all files/folders associated with that theme, I assume? |
| 22:23:19 | bluebrother | yep. Maybe also add a user-friendly name too |
| 22:24:19 | Llorean | So like "cabbie.theme.ini" (so it can be easily recognized as a theme, which might be helpful down the line when/if there are other removable extras) |
| 22:24:35 | bluebrother | another option would be to make it like the current installation log of rbutil −− i.e. have a ini section named after the theme, then file=version entries for each file |
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| 22:25:44 | bluebrother | thinking about it, maybe if we only use a file list instead of the rbutil format we should use a different extension −− like .log |
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| 22:31:18 | * | domonoky detects that the sd driver for sansa v2, doesnt need the xpd pins switched to SD-mode (the CCU_IO register),at least for m200v4. And without this, i get my backlight back working :-) |
| 22:31:54 | domonoky | and it seems this makes the sd driver working !! i can browse files on m200v4 :-) |
| 22:32:47 | BigBambi | congrats! |
| 22:32:52 | domonoky | but i get panics sometimes, i think because it can not write to the sd yet.. |
| 22:32:53 | bluebrother | nice |
| 22:34:24 | * | domonoky tries a bootloader without this CCU_IO modifications... |
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| 22:40:18 | domonoky | bootloader works, and it seems tobe much faster to boot. but sd still isnt completly stable, sometimes the checksum is wrong, and other read errors when rockbox runs.. |
| 22:40:26 | domonoky | could someone with another sansa v2 target try if it also works without the CCU_IO modifications ? |
| 22:49:15 | nanok_ | domonoky: did you say "rockbox runs sansa v2", or am i too tired and dreaming? |
| 22:49:36 | domonoky | nanok_: we are working on it. it isnt ready.. |
| 22:50:40 | nanok_ | domonoky: maybe i shouldn't ask here. is there a link with the current status? |
| 22:51:32 | nanok_ | i think i'd hunt down a cheap sansa v2 and buy it just to help testing, if it's at the point where this could be of help |
| 22:51:47 | domonoky | nanok_: maybe take a look here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TargetStatus also the forum thread may gibe more info (do not ask for progress in the forum)... |
| 22:52:08 | domonoky | testing is not what we need at moment... we need devs :-) |
| 22:52:44 | nanok_ | domonoky: yeah, i know :(. i am far from being that, unfortunately |
| 22:54:15 | domonoky | next big steps: improve the SD-driver (its unstable, and needs write support). And figure out the sound hardware. After that testing can come (and much more little improvements).. :-) |
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| 22:57:25 | nanok_ | domonoky: aham, okay. this is great news, i understand from this that we have a working bootloader and basic functionality, but no sound yet. (i guess the sd slot is not so urgent at this stage, right?) |
| 22:58:28 | domonoky | both internal and the slot is sd-memory, so its the same driver... |
| 22:59:10 | nanok_ | aaah, okay |
| 22:59:23 | domonoky | yes, bootloader is pratically finished, i can run rockbox, and browse files on my m200v4. theoretically i could now play gameboy on it.. .:-) |
| 22:59:53 | nanok_ | i'll check the forum thread (been checking it for months, but not in the past week or two, though) |
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| 23:00:09 | domonoky | so its mainly instable/unfinished mass-storage access and the sound... and lots of bug fixing an polishing... |
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| 23:02:15 | bertrik | nanok, you can thank funman for the largest part of the recent progress on ams sansas |
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| 23:02:20 | nanok_ | it sounds great. if we had sound and stable storage for, say, christmas, i think i would not ask santa for anything else. nevermind the odd bug and polishing, i know that goes quite fast, once the critical point is passed. |
| 23:03:13 | nanok_ | to have a target "in production" again. wow.. :) |
| 23:03:38 | nanok_ | bertrik: kudos to him, and to all of you for that matter |
| 23:04:59 | nanok_ | oh, btw, last stupid question: is this bootloader dual boot (already)? |
| 23:05:28 | linuxstb | yes |
| 23:06:01 | nanok_ | okay okay. thanks a lot. enough stupid questions |
| 23:06:36 | domonoky | yes, it dualboot... but nobody know when we squash those bugs.. chrismas might be too early.. |
| 23:06:37 | nanok_ | maybe i should buy "coding for absolute dummies" and try to join in someday :) |
| 23:08:08 | domonoky | the nice thing with this sansa v2s is, that we get multiple targets at once :-) |
| 23:08:09 | nanok_ | domonoky: yes, i understand, it was just dreaming. i know it can be next week, or much later next year. it doesn't matter really, i had a shitty week and today was the shittiest day in it. you just made my day with this news, i am _grining_ :) |
| 23:08:13 | nanok_ | so thank you |
| 23:08:57 | nanok_ | domonoky: yes, that's part of the reason. it's at least the fuze, the clip, the e200v2 and m200v2, if i remeber correctly, right? |
| 23:08:59 | bertrik | a lot of the recent quick progress was because sandisk seems to use standard blocks for a lot of the peripherals, maybe you can identify the i2s controller so we can re-use already existing code for it |
| 23:09:35 | nanok_ | bertrik: i2s or i2c? |
| 23:09:50 | bertrik | i2s, for the sound data |
| 23:10:32 | nanok_ | bertrik: so, i take it, buying a sansa clip or something to take it apart and figure out what's what might actually be of some help to you guys? |
| 23:11:31 | bertrik | nanok_, no I think that's no use |
| 23:11:33 | domonoky | pulling it apart probably wont help, much is integrated into the main-chip... |
| 23:12:43 | nanok_ | aham, i see. any link/hint on what is required? i fear we might be talking some hardware to "map" that ic/main-chip? |
| 23:13:47 | bertrik | the datasheet mentions a CWda03 - SPDIF-AES/EBU TO I2S CONVERTER, maybe you can figure out something about that |
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| 23:15:08 | nanok_ | coreworks? |
| 23:15:57 | bertrik | hm, on seconds thought that may not be very interesting for now |
| 23:17:04 | domonoky | bertrik: i thing the first thing we need for audio is i2Sout support ? |
| 23:17:18 | bertrik | domonoky, exactly |
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| 23:18:58 | bertrik | hmm, I2S out actually doesn't look THAT complicated... |
| 23:19:44 | linuxstb | bertrik: The datasheet seems to fully describe the I2S interface(s), unless I'm missing something... |
| 23:19:46 | bertrik | but I think we also need DMA to work for that |
| 23:21:13 | pixelma | Zagor: lillebror seems to have caused some failed builds (+ there's this weird once in a while failure on OndioSP) |
| 23:21:15 | bertrik | and possibly the FIQ too... and configure the codec to accepts the I2S stream and enable analog out |
| 23:21:33 | nanok_ | bertrik: i did find something, but i doubt if it's anything spectacular, you probably have the same already, and perhaps more :) |
| 23:21:57 | linuxstb | A first test could just be a loop that writes data to the DAC. But yes, we would want to use DMA if we can. |
| 23:22:45 | bertrik | agreed, we could probably just "manually" feed the FIFO |
| 23:22:55 | bertrik | nanok_, what did you do? |
| 23:23:19 | Zagor | pixelma: ouch, sdl is missing :-( fixing |
| 23:23:29 | nanok_ | bertrik: as i said, nothing spectacular, just google. so probably worthless :) |
| 23:23:43 | bertrik | what did you find? |
| 23:24:38 | nanok_ | found some web page of coreworks, which mentions they can provide some sourcecode (for a price i assume, and, most importantly, not likely to be oss friendly) |
| 23:24:55 | nanok_ | found some diagram also |
| 23:25:50 | nanok_ | http://www.hitechglobal.com/IPCores/cwda03.htm |
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| 23:26:15 | nanok_ | not sure how useful it might be (judging by how easy it was to find, i assume it must be very old news) |
| 23:27:51 | Zagor | bluebrother: do you know how to fix FS #9550 and F#5721? |
| 23:28:28 | nanok_ | it might also be interesting to find if some existing players might be using it (if i recall correctly, sony −− of all companyes −− has some player said to be near-open-source?) |
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| 23:55:15 | bluebrother | Zagor: unfortunately no. It seems to be a rather strange issue −− I remember doing some tests back the time FS #5721 appeared but didn't found a solution. |
| 23:55:36 | bluebrother | maybe I should try again though as it's a bit annoying with the pdf. |
| 23:55:51 | Zagor | bluebrother: where is \setting defined? |
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| 23:56:31 | bluebrother | in manual/preamble.tex, and it simply expands to \textsc |
| 23:56:42 | Zagor | and textsc is builtin? |
| 23:56:52 | bluebrother | yes, IIRC. |
| 23:56:55 | Zagor | ok |
| 23:57:11 | Zagor | we need a TeX ninja |
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