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#rockbox log for 2008-11-14

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00:29:00Zagorehm. from musepack codec: r->read(r->data, tmp, sizeof(tmp));
00:29:07Zagorerror: 'mpc_reader' has no member named 'sim_read'
00:29:24Zagorsims are fun
00:30:26Zagordoes anyknow know how that is kludged through the current build?
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00:33:19Zagoraha, we use the duplicate lightweight "codec.h" instead of "codeclib.h"
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00:35:43Zagormeh, I'm fixing too much at once :-(
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00:45:22mcuelenaerecan anyone guess what's wrong here ? ( , probably format mismatch)
00:45:38mcuelenaereI force RGB565
00:47:33kugelZagor: Chin up! Someone has to do it!
00:47:47gevaertskugel: then why doesn't he?
00:48:16*Zagor realized he's become Mr Someone
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00:48:37 Quit ender` (" Doesn't it strike you as mildly ironic that most of the people who are against abortion are people you wouldn't want to fuc")
00:49:21kugelZagor: and while you're at it, fix the target tree :)
00:49:52gevaertsAnd the theme site!
00:50:33*gevaerts promises to continue work on the MULTIDRIVER/MULTIDRIVE/MULTIVOLUME thing tomorrow
00:50:48kugeland midi plugin please
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01:27:36soapwiki is pretty clean, bluebrother, linuxstb
01:27:56soapthere are still some broken ones, but less all the time.
01:28:31soapYour desire, linuxstb, to have copyright holders be the sole uploaders of their work is not the direction I thought we were going (not that I have a problem with that rule.)
01:29:26soapI've been working on culling the themes from the old site which: A- have a claimed permissive license, and B - appear at a moderate glance not to be copyright infringing.
01:29:45soapIf we're going to require authors to upload I might as well stop that activity.
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01:30:20MegafEeehi all, what abou a x86 version?
01:30:30Lloreansoap: I think that if A) the theme has CC-BY-SA as its license (as I thought we were going one-license for the new theme site to simplify things) and works in SVN Rockbox we should move it, personally
01:30:35LloreanMegafEee: What about one?
01:30:45Zagortargets and sims done. only boot left.
01:31:23MegafEeeim just wondering, rockbox runing on my eee 701
01:31:46MegafEeei have rock box instaled on my nano, since 2006
01:31:51MegafEeeor 05
01:31:52krazykitMegafEee, you could run the sim.
01:31:54LloreanMegafEee: Do you mean "I have Rockbox running on my eee 701" or "I want to see rockbox running on my eee 701" or what?
01:31:58*Llorean thinks some words are missing.
01:32:28MegafEeeLlorean, i would like to see
01:33:00LloreanMegafEee: Rockbox isn't suited as an operating system for a PC really, but as krazykit mentioned there's always the simulator until someone does the work to make it more suitable as an app
01:34:35MegafEeeyes,but, in fullscreen mode?
01:35:02LloreanAs I said, nobody's done the work.
01:38:27Unhelpfuli'd suggest amarok, or quod libet, for a PC
01:38:45MegafEeeyou know, i think this would be nice if you just want to listen music or watch a film in your pc,
01:39:00MegafEeeso, you will not need to wait
01:39:07MegafEeeall boot process
01:39:46UnhelpfulMegafEee: there are solutions for that already, but this should be moved to the -community channel
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01:43:43*Llorean notes that Rockbox is also about the worst imaginable video player for PC use.
01:44:13ZagorI would appreciate if those with a few spare minutes could try out the makefile patch (FS #9534) and report if you find problems with any targets.
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01:45:15UnhelpfulZagor: vs current svn?
01:45:48ZagorUnhelpful: no, just if there are any problems with it. the speed is not important.
01:47:32ZagorI'm off to bed. see you all in the morning.
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01:56:37SolarP1993DSdoes album art have to be a specific size for the sansa c200
01:58:52LloreanThe size depends on your theme, not your player.
01:59:40SolarP1993DSoh well im using "yap"
02:00:29LloreanJust check in the .wps file, and use the wiki page for custom wps creation to check what size the theme expects.
02:01:22SolarP1993DSok thanks man
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02:03:54pixelmaSolarP1993DS: the album art size of the loaded WPS (provided the WPS has that) is also displayed in the "Rockbox Info" screen (in the system menu)
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04:30:32pireauHello, anyone playing with a chip from Telechip ?
04:31:05pireauI figured a way to get the files listed on ...
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05:46:28webguest35I seem to have a bit of trouble getting videos to work in Rockbox on my 5.5th gen 80gb iPod... Does anyone know where I might find the correct settings for what to convert videos too?
05:47:56Unhelpfulmpeg1 or mpeg2 video, mpeg layer 2 or 3 audio, in mpeg system stream container, i believe
05:48:10webguest35Ah, thanks a bunch :) I'll try that.
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05:50:27saxamoIs it me or are any others getting more bugs/glitches in 3.0 than the last stable? In Sansa e200 series...
05:50:54LloreanThere was no last stable.
05:53:12LloreanAnd if you're experiencing bugs you should upgrade to the current build, confirm how to reproduce them, and report them in the tracker
06:01:40saxamoSorry, that's a good point. The bugs aren't all too reproducible, a crash here, a slowdown there. But I will pay more attention next time, thanks!
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06:07:22webguest35Anyone know what I should set the bitrates too for videos on 5.5th gen iPod?
06:08:12Lloreanwebguest35: Generally speaking, video performance on the 5.5G in Rockbox is just going to be poor.
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06:10:17webguest35Aw, alright. Thanks for the warning. Guess I'll just use the apple OS for vids.
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08:08:19ConstructingGodhey guys
08:09:30ConstructingGodquick question, i dont know what i changed but for some reason rockbox firmware wont display hidden folders. a few days ago before this happen i was able to view hidden folders on rockbox so i dont know whats going on
08:09:52B4gderit's a setting, what files to show
08:11:57ConstructingGodunder what menu
08:12:31scorchethe manual should go into files
08:13:23ConstructingGodwhere in the manual? general settings?
08:13:39scorchesomewhere in the manual...
08:16:24Unhelpfulnobody here has the manual memorized, either. and if one of us would have to look it up to be able to answer you, there's really no reason that you shouldn't go do that yourself. it's not about trying to be jerks, just expecting people to help themselves when they can.
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08:16:34ConstructingGodok ty
08:17:32ConstructingGodso, what cool settings do u guys always change? this firmware has a labourious menu system i sometimes feel like im missing out cause there is so much to configure
08:19:14Unhelpfulon a fresh install? the first thing i do is turn on the database. file browsing is for people who don't actually like being able to find the music they want. ;)
08:19:59ConstructingGodoh yeah definatly i have it set to auto update too
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08:21:56ConstructingGodi recently found car adaptor mode, that is cool too if u never used it
08:22:01ConstructingGodbut only for car lol
08:22:13UnhelpfulZagor: your unified make patch builds a working rockbox for my beast. or it did, until i cleaned untracked files from my git repo, which was somehow not tracking things that did come from SVN. not your fault, that. :/
08:22:49Zagorthank you for testing
08:23:12Unhelpfuli'm not sure if my repo was corrupted somehow, or if the git mirror i had initialized it from was bad. building a fresh one from scratch now, probably killing the SVN server. :/
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08:23:46Unhelpfulno problem. recursive make should die wherever it can. :D
08:25:01Zagoryou're svn pulling goes awfully slow
08:25:20Zagorthe server is idle
08:26:17Unhelpfulit's been going for ages now. literally hours. perhaps merging the revs into git is the bottleneck, or the network on my end.
08:26:28ConstructingGodok i searched the word resume in the manual and skim around the area, but i couldnt find it. does the new firmware of rockbox have this option:
08:26:28ConstructingGodlike ur playing music and than u turn it off. and than u turn it back on, well it doesnt play the music right away, instead u have to go down to the resume playback option. Well in the older firmware there is an option to resume playback instantly on power on, is there a way to do that on this new firmware of rockbox?
08:26:55ZagorConstructingGod: it's still there, but not supported by all targets iirc
08:27:29ConstructingGodwhat u mean not supported by target?
08:27:46Unhelpfula target is a particular device on which rockbox can run
08:27:59ConstructingGodoh like the type of player?
08:28:09ConstructingGodmine is an iriver h10 20GB
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08:29:16ConstructingGodso im guessing mine is not supported anymore?
08:29:20ConstructingGodthat feature i mean
08:29:54Zagorif it was supported before, it still is. we don't tend to remove features
08:30:00Unhelpfuli don't know, i only have gigabeat s and a few sansas. i can't imagine why it would've been removed it rockbox used to do it on that target.
08:30:44ConstructingGodwell im thinking (because the theme was greatly updated and much better looking now) they have to change the layout a bit? but ill check right now in my player to see if its still there
08:31:54Unhelpfulthe menu items are not part of the theme
08:32:10ConstructingGodits the default theme that came with rockbix
08:32:25Unhelpfulyou can change the font they're displayed in, but which options are available does not change.
08:33:31ZagorConstructingGod: the setting is general->system->start screen.
08:33:55ConstructingGodahh system no wonder, i was cheecking sound and general
08:34:25ConstructingGodi dont have a start screen option under susyem
08:34:47ConstructingGodonly rockbox info, version, running time, sleep timer, debug (keep out)
08:35:21Zagorgeneral settings
08:36:16Zagorhmm, we have a bug in the manuals where at least xpdf doesn't find the text in all-caps.
08:37:40Unhelpfulsound more like in xpdf, perhaps?
08:37:47ConstructingGodok i went into the start screen menu and i dont get it, when i click on anything in that menu it takes me back to previous menu
08:38:05ConstructingGodi tried all buttons, its either scroll or back to previous menu
08:38:45ConstructingGodi think i get it
08:38:54ConstructingGodits the screen i choose to how my player starts
08:39:00ConstructingGodsec let me see if this will fix it
08:39:06amiconnlinuxstb: there?
08:39:20ZagorUnhelpful: perhaps. I don't have any non-linux machine to try other readers in
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08:39:56ConstructingGodyay it worked thanks zagor
08:40:09ZagorConstructingGod: you're welcome
08:40:47ConstructingGodim so in love with this firmware, its like a living thing it knows exactly whats going on and what u want to do, it stops playing when headphones remove and knows when i shut my car off
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08:41:15Unhelpfulif there were a "one-page" version of the online manual, perhaps that would make it easier for users to search the whole thing for random text.
08:41:18scorcheit also knows when you sleep
08:41:26scorcheit plots
08:42:03ConstructingGodi can do file browsing by folders AND id3 tags (something every player needs to do) and my fav part of the whole thing, i can edit/save/create playlists and delete songs on the spot!
08:43:15ZagorEvince Document Viewer (pdf reader in Gnome) has the same problem. though it's probably based on the same code as xpdf.
08:43:39ConstructingGodspeaking of id3 tags, musicbrainz picard is a good program if anyone has a large collection of music with mismatched id3 tags. i used it to fix my music b4 transfer to rockbox
08:44:17Zagorit's rather a problem since the small-caps words are often the ones you search for. such as "resume" in this case, which doesn't find the "resume playback" setting because it is written in smallcaps...
08:44:41Zagorcan anyone try in windows?
08:45:07ConstructingGodim in windows, what do u want me to do?
08:45:51Zagorload up the manual (h10 in my test) and search for "resume playback", case insensitive. see if you find the text in chapter 8.5.1
08:46:09ConstructingGodthe pdf or the html version
08:47:05ConstructingGodit found that phrase in the table of contents, i click next and it takes me to secttion 5.6
08:47:23Zagorkeep going
08:47:43Zagoryou'll find it in 7.6 too, and then 8.5.9?
08:47:45B4gderI found them too, acrobat reader on linux
08:47:48ConstructingGodclicking next after that takes me to 7.6
08:47:59Zagorand the next?
08:48:02ConstructingGodn than 8.5.1
08:48:26Zagorok so it's a problem in xpdf then. thanks.
08:48:57ConstructingGodn after 8.5.1 im at 8.5.9
08:50:03Zagorwho is our tex god?
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08:52:00Unhelpfulit's a formatting/markup language. i assume our fine manual is written in it?
08:52:05Zagoryes it is
08:52:32ConstructingGodhow do i check
08:53:25UnhelpfulZagor: for what it's worth, adobe's acroread on linux works correctly.
08:53:46ConstructingGodim using foxit reader for viewing the .pdf
08:53:48ZagorUnhelpful: ok, good to know
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08:59:19Zagorcan someone try a few cygwin builds with FS #9534 applied?
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09:32:12linuxstbamiconn_: Here now.
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09:33:08amiconnlinuxstb: I did some tests regarding the speed differences between targets which *should* have the same speed
09:33:53amiconnDifference between mini g2 and ipod photo is ~7% for ape regardless of compression level, but for other codecs, the difference is not the same
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09:34:20amiconnFor mp3, it's ~3.5%, but for ogg it's ~12%
09:34:50*amiconn didn't check whether ogg uses more iram on PP5022 though
09:36:03linuxstbDid you reduce/account for the lcd updates? Although I would be surprised if they have that much effect.
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09:37:16amiconnNo, this is plain SVN test_codec
09:37:44amiconnRight now I'm testing on c200, and I get the roughly the same speed as on mini g2
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10:37:02amiconnlinuxstb: lcd_update() is not the cause. I disabled it completely in log_text() if 'advance' is false. The Photo became a little bit faster, but that accounts only for a very small part of the ~7% difference....
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10:37:53*amiconn will also disable the actual text output if 'advance' is false
10:38:37amiconnlinuxstb: Btw, there is no difference in APE IRAM usage on PP5020 vs. PP5022
10:38:49amiconn(only 5002 is difefrent)
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10:44:14gevaertsZagor: I can't get your latest patch to apply properly
10:45:27gevaertsFirst fail is on apps/Makefile (Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected! Assume -R)
10:45:42amiconnlinuxstb: APE -c1000, iPod Photo, SVN test_codec: 130.0%, no lcd_update(): 131.4%, no lcd_update() and no lcd_puts(): 131.5%
10:45:44markunZagor: while you're working on the build system, can't we make it possible to build the tools directly from tools/ ?
10:46:02B4gdermarkun: how would that work?
10:46:11B4gderit still needs some variables iirc
10:46:16amiconnCompare that with Mini G2, SVN test_codec: 139.7% (c240 achieves 138.9%)
10:46:22B4gderie that are detected by configure
10:46:25Unhelpfulgevaerts: it applies for me, if you mean the unified make one
10:46:43Zagorgevaerts: hmm, apps/Makefile is removed completely in the latest patch
10:46:52amiconnLooks like there is a performance difference between PP5020 and PP5022, even though IRAM usage is the same...
10:47:13markunB4gder: I didn't know that. Which tools are that? scramble?
10:47:22B4gderI don't remember exat
10:47:34gevaertsMaybe an issue with my options to patch
10:47:38B4gderI just recall the reason being something likethat
10:48:04amiconnB4gder: Afaik the only reason is that not all tools are needed for all targets
10:48:09ZagorB4gder: I can't find any such variable use
10:48:14pixelmaZagor: the one regularly around who knows most about LaTeX is bluebrother
10:48:16B4gderah right, that's the reason
10:48:47amiconnThe tools are built *in* tools/, so they can't differ per target
10:48:47B4gderit only builds the tools necessary for the particular target
10:48:55Zagorok. the tools are still built from the build dir. but we can also allow them to be built in tools
10:49:10B4gderno the tools don't differ but the set differ
10:49:43Zagorhow do they differ, btw? I don't have any conditionals in my tool build list
10:49:54B4gderZagor: there's a list of tools to build
10:49:55Zagoruclpack, of course
10:50:06B4gder... in configure
10:50:37Zagoris it? it doesn't seem to be printed to Makefile
10:50:41gevaertsZagor: the problem is in the $Id$ lines
10:51:24B4gderZagor: @TOOLSET@
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10:52:02ZagorB4gder: yeah, it's in configure but is never printed...
10:52:11adityaHi every1
10:52:24B4gderbut it is passed in to the make that is run in tools/
10:52:31B4gderso only those targets are built
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10:52:42adityaI want some help regarding using rockbox as an app for motomagx phones
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10:53:23ZagorB4gder: aha
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10:54:00B4gderaditya: that patch has never made it to the official rockbox so all we know is that there is or was some work on that
10:54:09adityaB4gder can u help
10:54:28adityame make the patch
10:54:31*B4gder brings out his crystal ball and looks
10:54:35adityaDo i need all the hardware
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10:54:47B4gderwhat are you talking about?
10:54:58B4gdercan you please clarify what you need help with?
10:55:03adityaI wanna port rckbox to motorola zn5
10:55:21B4gderaditya: and that runs Linux right? is sdl ported to it?
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10:55:46adityaNo thats is the ezx linux for the old phones
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10:56:01adityaMotomagx Is the new 1
10:56:13Zagor...and it runs what?
10:56:14B4gdernew 1?
10:56:17adityaZ6 has it and rockbox has been ported to z6
10:56:24B4gderhas what?
10:56:28adityait runs linux but a different version
10:56:42*B4gder 's head is spinning
10:56:48adityait has the motomagx version of linux not ezx
10:56:56Zagoraditya: please relax and try to form complete sentences
10:57:06adityaezx is the version for which the sdl is available
10:57:19B4gderah, so the one you have has no sdl?
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10:57:40adityayea I do not have a sdl
10:58:05adityabut a phone with similar os i.e. z6 is running rockbox
10:58:19B4gderright, on sdl
10:58:30B4gderso I'd suggest you first get sdl running
10:58:34adityano not on sdl
10:58:40adityathere is no sdl for z6
10:58:41B4gderthen how?
10:58:49adityathats what I wanna know
10:58:52B4gderthen that's something nobody told us about
10:59:00B4gderask them who did it
10:59:04B4gderthey never told us
10:59:10adityaI can't find the person
10:59:16adityaI could find the app though
11:00:44B4gderthe patch for motorola ezx did use sdl
11:01:11adityayes I know that I have made the one usgin sdl
11:01:20adityaBut this one is way different
11:01:32adityaI have no hardware or software details of the os
11:02:01B4gderthen I guess you're up for some work
11:02:27adityahmmmm............ I wish I can find the guy who made it for z6
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11:02:57Zagoraditya: start with reading this:
11:03:05adityaI'm also working on the rockboxplayerlittle
11:03:13adityathe hardware
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11:04:11adityaI have that pdf , I also have the motodev studio but it doesn't support any phones as yet it's for the phones coming in the future
11:04:28adityahow great is that!!!
11:04:43Zagorwell there's not coming any more phones with that
11:05:13Zagorthey have announced they're abandoning motomagx and focusing on androind and windows mobile
11:05:15B4gderaditya: well, at least that's a company who attempted to reveal details. we're used to complete secrecy! ;-)
11:05:16adityathen the studio is a waste
11:05:58adityaO about that, reas the forums on motodev, they are not abandoning motomagx, motorola official
11:06:29adityasaid that just shifting focus
11:06:55B4gderI thought Motorola was going down the drain anyway ;-)
11:07:44Zagoraditya: "shifting focus" is corporate speak for "stop wasting money on"
11:07:52adityano I believe if they give out better sdk's they will lead cause their hardware and base os is simply amazing
11:08:07Zagortheir base os? linux?
11:08:21B4gderyeah linux is cool
11:08:39adityathey new motozine zn5 has 500Mhz + cpu
11:08:43adityayea linux
11:09:34Zagoraditya: find out what sort of graphics library they are using in motomagx. it uses webkit so it's probably not a major problem porting sdl to it.
11:09:56Unhelpfuladitya: but with them switching to android, it's not going to be "their" OS so much. it'll be somethnig that plenty of others have, or at least can if they want to. :/
11:11:05adityawith android it'll be a free world for application builders
11:11:14adityano stopping then
11:11:29Unhelpfuladitya: yes, but it won't be anything special or unique to moto.
11:11:30Zagorheh yeah just like the g1? very free...
11:12:01B4gder"what? people can run stuff as root? we need to stop that!"
11:12:31adityaI promise i'll try porting rockbox to g1 when it gets delivered to me in india
11:12:54adityawhy do we need to stop that?
11:13:02B4gderaditya: they did
11:13:24adityana not yet I'm here, i'm waiting for it
11:13:31B4gderthere's no super user access available on the g1
11:13:54B4gderproving zagor's point
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11:14:39adityasorry guys gotta go have an exam tomorrow!!!
11:14:53Zagorgevaerts: indeed, if the pdf code looks anything like the html no wonder it's hard to search
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13:09:07Zagordo the bootloaders use bitmaps?
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13:10:11Nico_PI don't think they dp
13:12:02ZagorI didn't think so either, but the bootloader Makefile compiles them
13:14:27Zagoralso, what is the "romstart" file used for?
13:16:03B4gderto create the ROM_START define it seems
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13:17:20ZagorB4gder: which is used where?
13:17:46B4gderI don't know...
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13:58:57kugelLambdaCalculus37: hello friend :)
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14:18:56kugelZagor: bootloader use bitmaps
14:19:34kugelZagor: since a few month most (if not all) are showing the rockbox logo unless they need to tell something
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14:23:20kugelLambdaCalculus37: ping
14:23:37Zagorkugel: yup, saw it in SOURCES. thanks.
14:23:58LambdaCalculus37kugel: Zing :)
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14:24:15LambdaCalculus37I'm going to test in a little bit.
14:26:15kugelZagor: you're welcome :)
14:27:02kugelLambdaCalculus37: thank you so much. I believe the version will fix the choppyness
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14:54:56kugelGodEater: go fix them :)
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15:05:17DerGrunePunktHi does someone have a Sansa with V1 firmare and installed a microSD card?
15:06:53LambdaCalculus37kugel: Error in building.
15:07:56DerGrunePunktso many?, please answer one by one :p
15:08:43LambdaCalculus37Look in target/arm/imx31/gigabeat-s/backlight-imx31.c:36... comparison between pointer and integer. The label "_is_backlight_on" is used but not defined.
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15:10:27pixelmaDerGrunePunkt: 1) patience - IRC is not "instant reply chat", not everyone is always looking at their monitor or even following the channel all the time ;) (2) it's better if you ask a more specific question, someone who knows will answer
15:12:35DerGrunePunktok, I can't get working an aditional SD card installed on my sansa e260(v1), I'm using rockbox 3.0-080923
15:13:52GodEaterin what way does it not work ?
15:14:15pixelmacan you explain what doesn't work, also what size (GB) is your card?
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15:20:55B4gderSD cards don't fit, microsd cards do ;-)
15:25:29DerGrunePunktit's a 4gb MICRO sd (same size that the internal disk) and when I plug the player to the PC I can't access the additional card
15:25:41B4gderthat's expected
15:25:53B4gderthe original firmware doesn't support >2GB cards
15:26:27Zagorsoo, who wants to try some fresh-baked bootloaders?
15:26:39LambdaCalculus37Zagor: Ooh, me! :)
15:26:48ZagorLambdaCalculus37: which target?
15:27:03LambdaCalculus37DerGrunePunkt: Do you have a card reader and a microSD card adapter? Use that.
15:27:06DerGrunePunktI read somewhere that a 4gb player can be used with an 4gb card
15:27:12LambdaCalculus37Zagor: What's freshly baked today?
15:27:21ZagorLambdaCalculus37: my makefiles
15:27:32B4gderDerGrunePunkt: With rockbox you can use larger cards that so, but the OF still can't read them
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15:27:37Zagorit's on-demand bakery
15:27:39LambdaCalculus37Hmmm.... iPod Color?
15:27:45Zagorcoming up
15:28:30*LambdaCalculus37 gets out his iPod color
15:29:34DerGrunePunktgreat!, how access the files in the new card?
15:30:04B4gderDerGrunePunkt: Rockbox can access them when you run it, and to get files onto it you probably use a card reader in your PC
15:30:23B4gder(or you rebuild Rockbox with the USB stack enabled)
15:30:49LambdaCalculus37Zagor: Thanks. I'll install it in a couple of minutes.
15:31:04Zagoranyone else wants some steaming hot .. uh .. bootloaders?
15:31:12DerGrunePunktlet me see
15:35:02LambdaCalculus37What was the option to write an outside bootloader file to the iPod with iPodpatcher?
15:35:27GodEaterLambdaCalculus37: ipodpatcher -h will tell you ;)
15:35:28n1s-a i think
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15:36:30GodEater-a if it's in .ipod format, -ab if it's .bin
15:37:21*LambdaCalculus37 writes Zagor's bootloader to his iPod color
15:38:02LambdaCalculus37Zagor: Success. :)
15:39:53LambdaCalculus37linuxstb: Regarding ; I'm betting he's using an iPod video, because I recognize that behavior. My iPod video does the same thing.
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15:45:22J-23anything new with Sansa v2 SD driver?
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15:46:48kugelLambdaCalculus37: yay another stupid typo
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15:48:11kugelLambdaCalculus37: add a 0 after <= in line 136 of firmware/target/arm/imx31/gigabeat-s/backlight-imx31.c
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15:49:15kugelZagor: let me try too
15:49:17DerGrunePunktMSD: Not present
15:49:28Zagorplease do
15:49:48kugelneed a e200 version
15:50:14kugelZagor: the bin if possibly (I removed the of bootloader)
15:51:17kugelZagor: and the "new" sansapatcher too if needed
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15:51:48LambdaCalculus37kugel: There's a new Sansapatcher up on Flyspray.
15:51:53LambdaCalculus37Let me go look it up.
15:52:15LambdaCalculus37kugel: FS #9369
15:52:46Zagorkugel: so you want the .bin and not the .mi4?
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15:53:10kugelZagor: yep
15:53:43kugelLambdaCalculus37: I meant "new" as in compiled with the new makefile (if sansapatcher is concerned with it)
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15:55:35Zagorkugel: no, it isn't affected
15:56:38kugelLambdaCalculus37: apparently the sansapatcher on that tracker entry doesn't work
15:56:38Zagorhmm, why is descramble and sh2d listed in the TOOLSET variable? those are hardly needed to build rockbox
15:58:02B4gderI think because they're related tools and it's not that easy to build them otherwise
15:58:33LambdaCalculus37kugel: We may have to make new Sansapatchers with the new makefile, then.
16:00:31ZagorB4gder: ok. since we can now run make in tools, I'll strip them from the main Makefile
16:00:43n1sZagor, Bagder: Wouldn't it be a worthwhile simplification to just build all the tools? it's not like people (or buildservers) do "make veryclean" often
16:00:53B4gderZagor: sounds fine to me
16:01:12B4gderyeah I could agree to building all the tools
16:01:30Zagorn1s: yeah I think so too. it certainly makes the build script one less cryptic $(patsubst) line simpler :-)
16:02:15kugelZagor: works fine
16:02:29Zagorkugel: excellent. thank you.
16:03:26kugelLambdaCalculus37: have you fixed it and recompiled?
16:03:53LambdaCalculus37kugel: Not yet. Boss is around. <_< >_>
16:05:08kugelLambdaCalculus37: i bet he'll be impressed by the backlight fading. go on :)
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16:08:23Zagordoes anyone want to take a deeper look at this before I commit? I have about an hour to fix problems before I have to go...
16:10:04B4gderZagor: I was planning at giving it a closer look tonight...
16:10:24Zagorok, I'll wait
16:12:04nicktasticWhich rockbox-supported DAP has the largest storage capacity, and is still on the market?
16:12:15nicktasticMy X5 just went MIA.
16:12:19B4gderthat's easy: none
16:15:30Zagorcowon d2 is missing LCD_REMOTE_DEPTH
16:16:28B4gderdoes it have a remote?
16:16:37Zagorah, simply another error in configure
16:16:40GodEaterI didn't know it had one at all, let alone one with a display
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16:19:48linuxstbLambdaCalculus37: I would expect it to be either the Nano or Video - they both had new backlight code (the same code) added relatively recently, so could both have that issue.
16:23:16LambdaCalculus37linuxstb: Since I don't have a nano, I didn't know that it would be affected like this as well. Thanks for pointing that out.
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16:28:13linuxstbLambdaCalculus37: And the Apple firmware for the Nano doesn't implement backlight fading, even though it's the same backlight hardware as the Video... (and it works in Rockbox)
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16:33:52Zagorcommit candidate patch posted
16:33:55Zagorsee you later
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16:34:49kugellinuxstb: I guess the bootloader init's the backlight with DEFAULT_BRIGHTNESS_SETTING (which all backlight drivers I know do), whereas the apple of bootloader inits it with 100%
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16:46:06LambdaCalculus37kugel: Line 136 of firmware/target/arm/imx31/gigabeat-s/backlight-imx31.c should be 'if (brightnexx <= 0 && _is_backlight_on)', correct?
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16:48:12kugelLambdaCalculus37: correct
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16:56:39whydoubt_Anybody have a clue if the refurbished Sansa e250's at NewEgg right now would be v1 or v2? Not sure I want to spend the $25 if I can't load rockbox. ;-)
16:57:28B4gderrefurbished (at that price) is usually v1
16:59:43LambdaCalculus37Froobi is a safer bet for getting a v1.
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17:05:55LambdaCalculus37kugel: Cross your fingers! :)
17:07:26kugelLambdaCalculus37: I do!
17:07:33LambdaCalculus37kugel: It works.
17:07:42kugelI know :D
17:07:53kugelNo, honestly, I'm glad it's working finally
17:08:02LambdaCalculus37Backlight fades in and out, I can interrupt the fade out and it returns to the correct setting.
17:08:06whydoubt_B4gder, LambdaCalculus37: thanks
17:08:18LambdaCalculus37And I can also set the brightness correctly.
17:08:18kugelLambdaCalculus37: it was choppy because I wrote #ifdef instead of #ifndef
17:08:30LambdaCalculus37whydoubt_: No problem!
17:08:51LambdaCalculus37kugel: It's smoother now, too.
17:08:53kugelLambdaCalculus37: now talk to jhMikeS or rather mailing list?
17:09:27kugelLambdaCalculus37: sure about that? Wasn't intended. Maybe because I inlined a function it's faster/more effictive
17:09:27LambdaCalculus37kugel: Fix that typo, post it again, and I'll speak to jhMikeS.
17:09:54LambdaCalculus37kugel: The fadeout is smoother now than before.
17:10:16LambdaCalculus37It's a little slow, but it does fade more smoothly.
17:10:26kugelsounds good
17:10:39kugelfrom the highest setting too?
17:11:54LambdaCalculus37Smooth even from the highest setting.
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17:16:07sin613according to the power handling for those devices is somewhere around 10% complete. what do i need to know/understand before i'm able to pursue working on that?
17:18:20B4gderthere might not be any x5 experts around atm
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17:18:26LambdaCalculus37kugel: If you'd like, I can also correct the typo in your patch and repost it.
17:20:52kugelLambdaCalculus37: no, I'll add some comments
17:21:10LambdaCalculus37kugel: Okay.
17:22:11sin613B4gder: who should i get in touch with?
17:22:14kugelLambdaCalculus37: however you might try if commenting out #define HAVE_BACKLIGHT_THREAD_FADING in the target config works
17:22:41B4gdersin613: I think amiconn and LinusN might know the answers, they frequent this channel
17:24:57kugelLambdaCalculus37: Also, I'm gonna rename HAVE_BACKLIGHT_THREAD_FADING to USE_ since it's optional in the end
17:28:36LambdaCalculus37kugel: Okay, I'll try that out in a little bit and I'll give you an update status.
17:29:27kugelLambdaCalculus37: no need to try that. I tried on my sansa and my search&replace didn't fail
17:30:05kugelLambdaCalculus37: should I add some copyright notices for me and Martin Ritter?
17:30:30LambdaCalculus37kugel: You can add "Additional work by..." to the headers.
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17:37:23kugelLambdaCalculus37: can you please test if inserting usb cable is working properly?
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17:39:38LambdaCalculus37kugel: Sure.
17:40:41LambdaCalculus37Works on my beast.
17:40:42kugelLambdaCalculus37: also without that #define
17:41:16kugelI'm getting crashes, but only when it's not defined
17:41:26LambdaCalculus37kugel: I'll have to roll another build.
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17:43:07LambdaCalculus37kugel: Give me a couple of minutes to finish some work up, and I'll get another build going with that #define commented out.
17:43:22kugelLambdaCalculus37: ok, thank you
17:44:23beta2kRoll another build or roll another.... ?
17:44:49LambdaCalculus37beta2k: Some patch testing.
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17:54:57LambdaCalculus37kugel: Okay, rolling a new build now with the #define commented out.
17:57:25*Strife89 wonders if ya'll are working on the backlight code.
18:00:21kugelStrife89: I am
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18:04:38LambdaCalculus37kugel: Commenting out the #define causes make to crap out with an error.
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18:14:53kugelLambdaCalculus37: fixed:
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18:17:23kugelhmm, gcc didn't give a warning where it should
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18:19:53LambdaCalculus37kugel: I'll try in a bit.
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18:41:52kugelhow can I turn on more sensible warning?
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18:46:35*kugel decides to make his pc responsible for this issue
18:47:09LambdaCalculus37Yes, blame the PC. :P
18:51:34kugelwell, I get many warnings when making tools
18:51:47kugelno warning at all when making bin
18:52:20kugelLambdaCalculus37: Everything is properly #ifdef'd, I checked the diff like 3 times. It must be my pc
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18:56:02LambdaCalculus37Crap, I just screwed up reverting a patch. :(
18:56:31LambdaCalculus37I accidentally reverted a patch twice, and now reapplying the same patch is causing everything to error out with end of hunk errors.
18:57:38kugelLambdaCalculus37: "svn -R revert *" is your friend
18:58:11kugelit won't delete new files though, so make sure you manually delete backlight-thread-fading.c and .h
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19:04:44LambdaCalculus37kugel: Any reason as to why firmware/export/backlight-thread-fading.h has two Rockbox headers and (mostly) the same code listed twice?
19:05:37LambdaCalculus37The #ifndef on the upper half is _BACKLIGHT_THREAD_FADING_, and the one on the lower half is BACKLIGHT_THREAD_FADING_H.
19:06:03LambdaCalculus37Ditto for a #define which is _BACKLIGHT_THREAD_FADING_ on the top, and BACKLIGHT_THREAD_FADING_H on the bottom.
19:06:50LambdaCalculus37The bool and void values are the same on both the upper and lower parts.
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19:07:37*LambdaCalculus37 wonders if he can eliminate one Rockbox header and some of that redundant code
19:09:48kugelLambdaCalculus37: Yea, I've noticed that too, and have it already fixed. It won't hurt your copy though
19:10:31kugelLambdaCalculus37: you can just leave it, the #ifndef _BACKLIGHT_THREAD_FADING_ will avoid duplicated code after preprocessor
19:10:55LambdaCalculus37kugel: All right, but what about the second header? Can I remove one?
19:11:12kugelLambdaCalculus37: you can leave it or remove it. The final patch version won't have it
19:12:49LambdaCalculus37kugel: All right... here goes....
19:12:50*LambdaCalculus37 makes
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19:29:08LambdaCalculus37kugel: Successful build.
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19:52:29kugelLambdaCalculus37: how's it running?
19:54:21LambdaCalculus37kugel: It's running fine, but was this last patch supposed to add the backlight fading or no?
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20:00:22kugelLambdaCalculus37: it was supposed to disable it in order to test if the old code is still working
20:00:38LambdaCalculus37kugel: In that case, it's working perfectly.
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20:03:18kugelLambdaCalculus37: good, let me upload the (hopefully) final version
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20:09:58kugelLambdaCalculus37: you might test that version one last time, I made the fade time slightly longer
20:18:29LambdaCalculus37linuxstb: How much progress did you make with the AV300?
20:18:53linuxstbI'm not sure... I'm just looking at my tree now, it seems there's some work I never committed.
20:20:04linuxstbI think I was last working on the lcd driver - I didn't get as far as getting that working.
20:21:04linuxstbI _think_ the ata driver was working, so I could dump things to disk for testing.
20:21:59linuxstbThe bootloader compiles, but the main build stops on mp3_playback.c - the MAS driver is obviously very closely linked to the SH-1, but the AV300 has an ARM CPU.
20:22:47LambdaCalculus37linuxstb: Yes, a TI TMS320-based CPU, right?
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20:23:41LambdaCalculus37The JBMM/AV100 is largely the same hardware as the AV300.
20:24:59LambdaCalculus37I had been wondering just how much of the AV300 code can be adapted to make an AV100 port.
20:27:08linuxstbApart from the basics, it's going to be quite a hard port - it will be a mixture of hwcodec (for mpeg audio) and swcodec (for other formats), requiring the pcm codec to be loaded to the MAS between tracks...
20:29:02linuxstbAnd the CPU itself is quite slow (around 50-60MHz IIRC), so not all formats will be playable.
20:29:30LambdaCalculus37linuxstb: I figure that the port can start out HWCODEC only, and then we can just add codecs that are playable.
20:29:32gevaertsNo ape?
20:29:52linuxstbgevaerts: That's a safe assumption.
20:29:58LambdaCalculus37Certainly not on these targets. IIRC the TMS320 is an ARM7TDMI running at ~54MHz.
20:30:13LambdaCalculus3732KB of IRAM and no cache.
20:30:36LambdaCalculus37It's a TMS320DSC25, to be specific.
20:30:45linuxstbLambdaCalculus37: It's a lot more than "just add codecs", but yes, it would make sense too start as hwcodec only.
20:31:31linuxstbBut to get the basics working should be relatively easy - there are leaked datasheets, plus source code from archopen
20:31:41amiconnlinuxstb: Got my remarks regarding PP5020 vs. PP5022 performance?
20:31:56kugelgevaerts: in 5 month, when amiconn finished optimizing, -c1000 may be playable
20:32:04LambdaCalculus37linuxstb: It's more logical to do it that way, so we can at least say "yes, we have working sound and playback", and then worry about which codecs will work well on the target later on.
20:33:14*kugel hopes jhMikeS comes back
20:33:33linuxstbamiconn: Yes. Do you have any theories? AFAIK, the ARM cores should be identical, so that leaves things like caches and external memory.
20:33:40amiconnlinuxstb, LambdaCalculus37: Afaik you need the mas pcm codec in order to be able to output pcm (i.e. swcodec stuff)
20:34:24amiconnlinuxstb: Yes, the cores are identical. The funny thing is that for APE, PP5002 performance is very close to PP5022, while PP5020 is a few percent slower
20:34:52linuxstbamiconn: Yes, you do. archopen used it, but I think they just extracted a binary blob from the Archos firmware...
20:35:21amiconnlinuxstb: We have that thing, officially from archos+micronas, including documentation
20:35:35amiconnPP5002 has all time critical code in IRAM (and the insane filter buffer in DRAM instead), PP50020 and PP5022 have code in DRAM and buffers in IRAM instead
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20:36:05amiconnSo the only cause I can imagine is that the PP5022 somehow has a more efficient cache
20:36:36luis_hi, How can I use am aditional micro sd memory in a sansa e260 player?
20:37:18advcomp2019luis_, put the card in the slot
20:37:19bertrikuse a card reader/writer to put some music on the card, then place it in the sansa
20:37:31amiconnIn order to be really sure, it would be nice if someone could test APE performance on an ipod G4 or a Mini G1
20:38:06linuxstbI could test on my ipod color. What's your test track?
20:38:08luis_bertrik, I did that and I cant find the music that is in the aditional card
20:38:23bertrikluis_, you're using rockbox, right?
20:38:41luis_bertrik, yes 3.0
20:39:01linuxstbluis_: Using the "Database" option, or "Files" ?
20:39:09amiconnlinuxstb: I tested on color myself. I suggested G4 or Mini G1 because these are PP5020 + greyscale LCD
20:39:26amiconn(to make really sure it has nothing to do with the display)
20:39:42amiconnHmm, another reason could be different DRAM access speed
20:40:24luis_linuxstb: I did that
20:40:40luis_with no luck
20:40:43linuxstbluis_: Did what?
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20:41:47luis_In system -> rockbox info says: "MSD: not present"
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20:42:54luis_which filesystem the card should have?
20:43:07linuxstbFAT16 or FAT32
20:43:11bertrikluis_, ok that's weird, is it a SDHC or a regular SD? if it is an SD card, does it work with the original firmware?
20:43:21gevaertsamiconn: maybe m:robe 100?
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20:44:36amiconngevaerts: That would probably work too
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20:45:09advcomp2019luis_, rockbox should read it but you need a sdhc card reader to put stuff on it
20:46:01amiconnLambdaCalculus37: A JBMM /AV1x0 port would probably be a good thing. It would require some work towards hwcodec+swcodec unification...
20:46:02*kugel likes to add that rockbox can read microsdhc just fine, in contrast to the of, which is why you need a card reader
20:46:07luis_I have one in here
20:46:42kugeljust because it have been said multiple times already
20:46:55luis_well, some other thing must be wrong, thanks guys!!!
20:46:57kugelluis_: did you make sure the card is really inserted?
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20:47:18gevaertsamiconn: the standard CodecPerformanceComparison test track?
20:48:39kugelbertrik: you can give the backlight fading patch a test if you want (FS #6800). It's gone final
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20:57:32LambdaCalculus37amiconn: I can also test APE performance on my iPod color.
20:57:42amiconnNo need to...
20:57:58*amiconn has 2 colour PP5020 targets himself
20:58:08amiconnUnfortunately no monochrome or greyscale
20:58:26LambdaCalculus37As for the JBMM/AV1x0 port, I'm watching an eBay auction for a JBMM. If I can get it, then I can start looking into a port again.
20:59:34LambdaCalculus37amiconn: I had a 4G greyscale, but I traded it for my 2G iPod.
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21:15:50gevaertsamiconn: mr100 131.43%
21:16:05amiconnThanks. That proves my theory
21:16:54amiconnI got 130.0% on ipod Photo, and 131.5% without text output and LCD update during the test
21:17:26amiconnPP5022 achieved 138.9% (c240) resp. 139.7% (Mini G2)
21:18:42gevaertsSo colour eats about 1%
21:19:12amiconnYes, also depending a bit on LCD size
21:19:36amiconnBut the PP5020 vs. PP5022 difference is larger than that
21:19:56amiconn...even though IRAM usage is the same in the APE codec
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21:39:04LambdaCalculus37Just curious, but where's lowlight been lately? I saw him pop in and out on the forums in the past few days, but I haven't seen anything else from him.
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21:45:22saratogaamiconn: the ipodlinux "bogomips" benchmark always reported the PP5022 as a couple percent faster then PP5020 as well
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21:45:34saratogai assumed they tweaked the cache or memory controller a little
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22:21:13bluebrotherok, one idea for the themes: how about having each theme from t.r.o include an "install log" file? Like /.rockbox/logs/theme.ini?
22:21:29bluebrotherthat way rbutil could also find and uninstall themes that have been installed manually
22:21:46bluebrotherthe same could be done for other extra packages
22:23:01LloreanWorks for me. Just a list of all files/folders associated with that theme, I assume?
22:23:19bluebrotheryep. Maybe also add a user-friendly name too
22:24:19LloreanSo like "cabbie.theme.ini" (so it can be easily recognized as a theme, which might be helpful down the line when/if there are other removable extras)
22:24:35bluebrotheranother option would be to make it like the current installation log of rbutil −− i.e. have a ini section named after the theme, then file=version entries for each file
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22:25:44bluebrotherthinking about it, maybe if we only use a file list instead of the rbutil format we should use a different extension −− like .log
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22:31:18*domonoky detects that the sd driver for sansa v2, doesnt need the xpd pins switched to SD-mode (the CCU_IO register),at least for m200v4. And without this, i get my backlight back working :-)
22:31:54domonokyand it seems this makes the sd driver working !! i can browse files on m200v4 :-)
22:32:52domonokybut i get panics sometimes, i think because it can not write to the sd yet..
22:34:24*domonoky tries a bootloader without this CCU_IO modifications...
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22:40:18domonokybootloader works, and it seems tobe much faster to boot. but sd still isnt completly stable, sometimes the checksum is wrong, and other read errors when rockbox runs..
22:40:26domonokycould someone with another sansa v2 target try if it also works without the CCU_IO modifications ?
22:49:15nanok_domonoky: did you say "rockbox runs sansa v2", or am i too tired and dreaming?
22:49:36domonokynanok_: we are working on it. it isnt ready..
22:50:40nanok_domonoky: maybe i shouldn't ask here. is there a link with the current status?
22:51:32nanok_i think i'd hunt down a cheap sansa v2 and buy it just to help testing, if it's at the point where this could be of help
22:51:47domonokynanok_: maybe take a look here: also the forum thread may gibe more info (do not ask for progress in the forum)...
22:52:08domonokytesting is not what we need at moment... we need devs :-)
22:52:44nanok_domonoky: yeah, i know :(. i am far from being that, unfortunately
22:54:15domonokynext big steps: improve the SD-driver (its unstable, and needs write support). And figure out the sound hardware. After that testing can come (and much more little improvements).. :-)
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22:57:25nanok_domonoky: aham, okay. this is great news, i understand from this that we have a working bootloader and basic functionality, but no sound yet. (i guess the sd slot is not so urgent at this stage, right?)
22:58:28domonokyboth internal and the slot is sd-memory, so its the same driver...
22:59:10nanok_aaah, okay
22:59:23domonokyyes, bootloader is pratically finished, i can run rockbox, and browse files on my m200v4. theoretically i could now play gameboy on it.. .:-)
22:59:53nanok_i'll check the forum thread (been checking it for months, but not in the past week or two, though)
23:00:09domonokyso its mainly instable/unfinished mass-storage access and the sound... and lots of bug fixing an polishing...
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23:02:15bertriknanok, you can thank funman for the largest part of the recent progress on ams sansas
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23:02:20nanok_it sounds great. if we had sound and stable storage for, say, christmas, i think i would not ask santa for anything else. nevermind the odd bug and polishing, i know that goes quite fast, once the critical point is passed.
23:03:13nanok_to have a target "in production" again. wow.. :)
23:03:38nanok_bertrik: kudos to him, and to all of you for that matter
23:04:59nanok_oh, btw, last stupid question: is this bootloader dual boot (already)?
23:06:01nanok_okay okay. thanks a lot. enough stupid questions
23:06:36domonokyyes, it dualboot... but nobody know when we squash those bugs.. chrismas might be too early..
23:06:37nanok_maybe i should buy "coding for absolute dummies" and try to join in someday :)
23:08:08domonokythe nice thing with this sansa v2s is, that we get multiple targets at once :-)
23:08:09nanok_domonoky: yes, i understand, it was just dreaming. i know it can be next week, or much later next year. it doesn't matter really, i had a shitty week and today was the shittiest day in it. you just made my day with this news, i am _grining_ :)
23:08:13nanok_so thank you
23:08:57nanok_domonoky: yes, that's part of the reason. it's at least the fuze, the clip, the e200v2 and m200v2, if i remeber correctly, right?
23:08:59bertrika lot of the recent quick progress was because sandisk seems to use standard blocks for a lot of the peripherals, maybe you can identify the i2s controller so we can re-use already existing code for it
23:09:35nanok_bertrik: i2s or i2c?
23:09:50bertriki2s, for the sound data
23:10:32nanok_bertrik: so, i take it, buying a sansa clip or something to take it apart and figure out what's what might actually be of some help to you guys?
23:11:31bertriknanok_, no I think that's no use
23:11:33domonokypulling it apart probably wont help, much is integrated into the main-chip...
23:12:43nanok_aham, i see. any link/hint on what is required? i fear we might be talking some hardware to "map" that ic/main-chip?
23:13:47bertrikthe datasheet mentions a CWda03 - SPDIF-AES/EBU TO I2S CONVERTER, maybe you can figure out something about that
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23:15:57bertrikhm, on seconds thought that may not be very interesting for now
23:17:04domonokybertrik: i thing the first thing we need for audio is i2Sout support ?
23:17:18bertrikdomonoky, exactly
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23:18:58bertrikhmm, I2S out actually doesn't look THAT complicated...
23:19:44linuxstbbertrik: The datasheet seems to fully describe the I2S interface(s), unless I'm missing something...
23:19:46bertrikbut I think we also need DMA to work for that
23:21:13pixelmaZagor: lillebror seems to have caused some failed builds (+ there's this weird once in a while failure on OndioSP)
23:21:15bertrikand possibly the FIQ too... and configure the codec to accepts the I2S stream and enable analog out
23:21:33nanok_bertrik: i did find something, but i doubt if it's anything spectacular, you probably have the same already, and perhaps more :)
23:21:57linuxstbA first test could just be a loop that writes data to the DAC. But yes, we would want to use DMA if we can.
23:22:45bertrikagreed, we could probably just "manually" feed the FIFO
23:22:55bertriknanok_, what did you do?
23:23:19Zagorpixelma: ouch, sdl is missing :-( fixing
23:23:29nanok_bertrik: as i said, nothing spectacular, just google. so probably worthless :)
23:23:43bertrikwhat did you find?
23:24:38nanok_found some web page of coreworks, which mentions they can provide some sourcecode (for a price i assume, and, most importantly, not likely to be oss friendly)
23:24:55nanok_found some diagram also
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23:26:15nanok_not sure how useful it might be (judging by how easy it was to find, i assume it must be very old news)
23:27:51Zagorbluebrother: do you know how to fix FS #9550 and F#5721?
23:28:28nanok_it might also be interesting to find if some existing players might be using it (if i recall correctly, sony −− of all companyes −− has some player said to be near-open-source?)
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23:55:15bluebrotherZagor: unfortunately no. It seems to be a rather strange issue −− I remember doing some tests back the time FS #5721 appeared but didn't found a solution.
23:55:36bluebrothermaybe I should try again though as it's a bit annoying with the pdf.
23:55:51Zagorbluebrother: where is \setting defined?
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23:56:31bluebrotherin manual/preamble.tex, and it simply expands to \textsc
23:56:42Zagorand textsc is builtin?
23:56:52bluebrotheryes, IIRC.
23:57:11Zagorwe need a TeX ninja

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