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| 00:06:35 | gevaerts | preglow: I think FS #9545 is ready for more eyes now, so if you want to try your sd driver for real with it, go ahead! |
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| 00:14:07 | * | gevaerts now has both a ramdisk and a CF card in his mini. Unfortunately rockbox doesn't want to mount the ramdisk yet |
| 00:15:15 | gevaerts | USB sees both |
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| 00:23:04 | LarsMoeller | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CFModGuide how to get these hex values in the last table? (Kingston Elite Pro 133X 16GB) |
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| 00:29:34 | kugel | jhMikeS: hm, my fading ain't longer too |
| 00:31:11 | kugel | jhMikeS: btw: I implemented your propose (it works), but I'm not entirely beware of the advantages. I think the code is mainly less readable, as I wouldn't connect SYS_TIMEOUT to fading, maybe you can clear it up for me? |
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| 00:39:38 | jhMikeS | kugel: that queue gets pretty busy with messages as it is and so lowering the traffic there seemed a good idea |
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| 00:56:11 | amiconn | linuxstb_: ping |
| 00:56:13 | kugel | jhMikeS: do you have a preference which fading to use? I suppose your patch? |
| 00:56:21 | kugel | on the beast that is |
| 00:56:34 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: Hello. |
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| 00:56:58 | amiconn | linuxstb_: Do you know how large 'absres' in the 3.98 filter can be? |
| 00:57:04 | jhMikeS | kugel: for beast, the hardware looks much better since it's always smooth as glass no matter the brightness |
| 00:57:40 | amiconn | There's a possible optimisation (saving the division by three in that line), but only if absres is guaranteed not to become > INT_MAX / 3 |
| 00:57:58 | kugel | jhMikeS: yep, that's what I think too, although my patch is (for me) already smooth at brightness of 3. At least it's very noticeable |
| 00:58:31 | jhMikeS | kugel: the way the increased brightness range works, changing current ranges causes brightness glitches so those also show in fading |
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| 00:58:53 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: Sorry, I've no idea. I never looked deeply into the codec. |
| 00:59:12 | amiconn | On ARM, gcc uses 'smull' for this / 3, but (absres * 3) would still be faster |
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| 01:01:16 | groundup | I am very new to using Rockbox. In fact, I just installed it about 3 minutes ago. What is the best resource for finding out everything I can on customizing it? In particular, I want to know if I can use a picture as a background |
| 01:02:04 | kugel | jhMikeS: ah ok. I can just consider from what Lambda told me and he said it's quite smooth (but also that yours is a little smoother). Anyway, I'd be in favor of the hardware fading too. |
| 01:02:08 | scorche | groundup: we like to recommend the manual |
| 01:02:36 | kugel | jhMikeS: have you looked at the settings I made? They should work for the gigabeat too with a proper #define |
| 01:02:49 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: Yes, I see what you mean. It's hard to know if that's going to be safe though. |
| 01:03:58 | jhMikeS | kugel: I was looking and it seems compatible. |
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| 01:05:41 | kugel | jhMikeS: I had to reimplement some of the settings, since OFFON setting uses bool and the pwm TABLESETTING int. Is there a way to use int's with OFFON setting? A flag maybe? |
| 01:05:58 | jhMikeS | amiconn: voice on the beast should be working fine now |
| 01:06:09 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Yes, almost |
| 01:06:11 | jhMikeS | kugel: you can use true/false with an int |
| 01:06:24 | jhMikeS | amiconn: what else is an issue? I fixed the PCM driver. |
| 01:06:40 | amiconn | The silence after boot is gone, and the delay at the beginning seems to be fixed too |
| 01:07:27 | kugel | jhMikeS: yes, but it gave warnings with incompatible pointers, isn't bool 1byte wide only? |
| 01:07:51 | amiconn | But sometimes the end of a voice clip gets swallowed. This end doesn't vanish then though, it's played before the next clip, or next music |
| 01:07:52 | jhMikeS | kugel: bool is 32 bits |
| 01:08:15 | kugel | ok, then the issue was at another point, I'll look into again |
| 01:08:27 | amiconn | bool can be different width depending on platform and even optimisation level |
| 01:09:09 | jhMikeS | amiconn: That sounds strange. I'm not experiencing that issue. |
| 01:09:42 | amiconn | Never assume that a bool* is compatible to an int* or similar without special precautions |
| 01:11:23 | jhMikeS | amiconn: Is there a recipe to get that to happen? Is it only .talk clips or all menus? |
| 01:12:06 | amiconn | I get it when playing a file and 'talk files' is set to 'numbered' |
| 01:12:46 | amiconn | Also, the swallowed beginning seems to be not completely fixed. |
| 01:13:18 | amiconn | Hmm, wait |
| 01:14:01 | jhMikeS | "talk files" set to "numbered" seems to be ok here. |
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| 01:29:54 | amiconn | jhMikeS: I didn't have the fix in my build, even though I thought I did. It's working nicely now |
| 01:30:31 | jhMikeS | amiconn: hehe. I thought it should. |
| 01:31:26 | jhMikeS | It was trying to write the FIFO with the whole module disabled which doesn't really work well. |
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| 01:46:27 | kugel | jhMikeS: What has to be done to get fading committed? |
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| 01:53:12 | jhMikeS | kugel: For the thread stuff? I don't know. I'll do 'beast HW stuff separately. |
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| 01:56:37 | kugel | jhMikeS: ams sansas (at least e200v2,fuze and likely c200v2) will be able to use the thread fading too |
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| 01:59:19 | jhMikeS | Make sure the addition to each driver at the low level is minimal for each target? |
| 01:59:57 | kugel | jhMikeS: yea, the needed modifications are minimal. I factored most of the code out to backlight_thread_fading.c/h |
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| 02:01:30 | kugel | but that could probably go into backlight.c as well |
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| 02:02:47 | jhMikeS | eek, isn't backlight.c enough of a maze already? |
| 02:03:19 | kugel | yea, that's what I initially thought too (thus I used the extra file). |
| 02:03:39 | kugel | I meant, if it's wanted, it could go into that |
| 02:06:03 | jhMikeS | stuff for the sim should be factored away into "sim drivers" or something. |
| 02:07:12 | kugel | or uisimulator/backlight.c |
| 02:07:49 | kugel | uisimulator/sdl rather |
| 02:08:12 | kugel | jhMikeS: Seems that I can use F_T_INT flag for OFFON to use int vars? |
| 02:09:19 | jhMikeS | I don't think true/false is incompatible with ints, you just get 0 or 1 for the value. |
| 02:10:17 | jhMikeS | Though for HW fading, since it's fixed, off/1000ms seems like a good idea since you know what you get. |
| 02:10:57 | kugel | jhMikeS: that might apply to beast, but not to thread fade targets |
| 02:11:28 | Unhelpful | jhMikeS: you can't assume that all "true" values are 1 - any non-zero integer evaluates as true |
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| 02:13:43 | kugel | jhMikeS: you cannot know the fading time without calclulating it from the current brightness |
| 02:14:17 | jhMikeS | Unhelpful: I know that is true. I usually take context into account. |
| 02:14:37 | Unhelpful | jhMikeS: sorry, then... the context thing occurred to me afterward :/ |
| 02:15:26 | jhMikeS | kugel: For thread yes, I know. Llorean suggested that but I wonder if it's a good idea unless you really can set the time. |
| 02:18:04 | Unhelpful | you could have a thread fading that fades over a set time, it just wouldn't actually set the brightness each time it's called. probably more complicated than we'd want? |
| 02:21:31 | kugel | jhMikeS: it won't be much more than a "nice-to-know" information |
| 02:21:31 | jhMikeS | If you do sleep delay = time/brightness then it would be constant (or close enough) |
| 02:22:38 | kugel | true |
| 02:22:40 | JdGordon | [12:08:13] <kugel> jhMikeS: Seems that I can use F_T_INT flag for OFFON to use int vars? <- that might not work |
| 02:22:58 | jhMikeS | kugel: I think I can get along with simple on/off just fine |
| 02:23:00 | kugel | JdGordon: yea, I already tried and it didnt |
| 02:24:09 | kugel | JdGordon: I guess the comment "variable type for the setting" confused me |
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| 02:38:37 | * | kugel might just not use a macro for that |
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| 03:11:24 | kugel | jhMikeS: doesn't look like I'll get it that easy. I think I'm just gonna keep it like it is |
| 03:11:50 | kugel | I would need to create a new struct bool_int_setting or something like that |
| 03:13:25 | jhMikeS | isn't there one for arrays of values that have other text and labels? |
| 03:18:20 | kugel | I didn't spot such one |
| 03:18:50 | kugel | bool_setting would just be perfect, except for the callback which obviously requires the var to be a bool |
| 03:21:11 | kugel | jhMikeS: well, the settings are working, it's just that I have to do this http://pastebin.ca/1261954 at 2 places |
| 03:22:10 | * | kugel leaves an updated patch on the tracker and goes to bad |
| 03:22:13 | kugel | bed even |
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| 06:37:51 | JdGordon | does anyone know if you can redefine the format declerations in tagnavi_custom.config or if you can only add new ones? |
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| 06:40:31 | Llorean | JdGordon: No clue, but it'd take you like 10 seconds to test. |
| 06:40:52 | JdGordon | ... |
| 06:40:56 | JdGordon | asking is easier |
| 06:41:45 | Llorean | Yeah, but now there's nobody to answer |
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| 06:48:10 | Unhelpful | principle of least surprise says that if it's in there, you can modify or remove it. not that that proves anything. |
| 06:50:21 | Unhelpful | between 1/2 and 1/3 of the way to having a testable scaler... mostly depending on how much harder the vertical scalers turn out to be than the horizontal ones. |
| 06:51:18 | Unhelpful | are there a macros somewhere for the screen pixel dimensions? right now, i'm just using w=240, which is fine for anything i have around to test on... |
| 06:53:33 | JdGordon | LCD_WIDTH and LCD_HEIGHT |
| 06:53:55 | JdGordon | cryptic names aye? :D |
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| 06:57:11 | Unhelpful | only cryptic if i have to start by guessing where they might be defined. i'm setting LCD_WIDTH as the limit for scaler output width. i don't see any reason to ever scale a bitmap to a size larger than the display :P |
| 06:58:26 | JdGordon | should be defined in config.h I tihnk |
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| 07:08:25 | Unhelpful | i'm really not sure at all what some of the stuff in the existing scaler is doing. :/ |
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| 07:50:06 | JdGordon | is there any reason not to close 6069? apart from being really outdated, the latest version adds alot of stuff which probalky isnt needed |
| 07:53:29 | Llorean | JdGordon: Isn't that just going to be completely useless with Zagor's changes anyway? |
| 07:53:44 | JdGordon | all the makefile changes yes |
| 07:53:57 | JdGordon | do we bother much about making sure DEBUG builds work? |
| 07:54:11 | * | JdGordon is trying to keep <200 open bugs :p |
| 07:55:50 | Llorean | I dunno |
| 07:56:02 | JdGordon | meh, it can always be reopened later |
| 07:57:57 | Llorean | Yeah |
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| 08:07:01 | JdGordon | I assume 5230 is still a bug, but can someone with an ipod and/or e200 check? seems to work on my e200 |
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| 08:43:07 | Llorean | JdGordon: It used to be pretty irregular, so it'd be hard to confirm whether it's gone or not, sadly |
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| 09:04:13 | Unhelpful | i *do* still think that the resize_nearest ought to be nuked, except perhaps as an option for B&W-only targets? i don't think we want to be scaling icons, or theme images. |
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| 09:05:07 | B4gder | I too think we should avoid resizing such images |
| 09:05:08 | Llorean | Theme images won't really work anyway, unless we get the ability to position things as a percentage of the screen rather than absolutely |
| 09:05:14 | Llorean | So, in general, I'm for avoiding resizing them. |
| 09:05:55 | B4gder | also, resize means more CPU usage and in these cases rather pointless and we should avoid wasting resources |
| 09:06:10 | Unhelpful | also, about the dynamic buffer usage part... some people want to use the scaler outside of album art, possibly in plugins. perhaps the scaler should provide a function that returns the needed buffer, and then plugins could allocate that from their remaining plugin buffer, if they can, or by stealing audio buffer, whatever. it still gets a static buffer done away with. |
| 09:06:33 | B4gder | Unhelpful: yes, sounds like a plan |
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| 09:07:55 | Unhelpful | i'm really pretty much inclined to say that smooth upscaling and downscaling of 24-bit rgb and 8-bit grey images covers every reasonable use, cut anything else out, and call it done |
| 09:08:13 | amiconn | Unhelpful: B&W targets don't have album art, hence won't have scaling in the core. Also those are usually the most binsize & memory restricted targets |
| 09:08:38 | Unhelpful | amiconn: don't build scaler at all on B&W targets? |
| 09:09:02 | amiconn | No, just plain bmp loading (for icons, wps bitmaps etc) |
| 09:09:22 | amiconn | The scaler might still be useful in the pluginlib though |
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| 09:13:18 | Unhelpful | now, if only i could get the darn thing to work. for some reason, the bmp reader is failing before it's passed as many rows as it claims are in the file... |
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| 09:34:05 | Zagor | hmm, with a bit of post processing we might get dependency generation down from 1500 forks to... 5? |
| 09:34:23 | B4gder | wow |
| 09:34:56 | Zagor | gcc can take any number of input files, but it always strips the path from the target it outputs. so we need to put that back. |
| 09:35:20 | Zagor | but that could be done with a single sed/awk/perl call |
| 09:35:37 | B4gder | there's also -MT -MQ |
| 09:36:00 | B4gder | but I've found them inadequate in the past |
| 09:36:11 | Zagor | yes but multiple MT puts multiple targets before a single :, which is not what we want |
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| 10:38:19 | Juxta | Hello, any admin i can ask a question? |
| 10:38:28 | GodEater | admin ? |
| 10:38:34 | JdGordon | any? |
| 10:38:34 | Juxta | yea |
| 10:38:35 | GodEater | admin of what ? |
| 10:38:57 | Juxta | I want to use a figure from rockbox.com and i want to ask for permission |
| 10:39:14 | GodEater | rockbox.com ? I don't think we own that. |
| 10:39:19 | GodEater | we have rockbox.org |
| 10:39:19 | Juxta | i know |
| 10:39:26 | Juxta | thats what i ment :p |
| 10:39:36 | Juxta | Copyright 1999-2008 by the contributing authors. |
| 10:39:43 | Zagor | Juxta: what figure? |
| 10:39:59 | Juxta | rockbox kernel and a few screens |
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| 10:40:20 | * | GodEater guesses at more homework. |
| 10:40:21 | Zagor | Juxta: and where do you want to use it? |
| 10:40:46 | Zagor | ah right you are the one who asked here about the kernel here a couple of days ago? |
| 10:40:57 | Juxta | yea lol you remember hehe |
| 10:41:06 | Juxta | yea.. and i just wanted "proper" permission |
| 10:41:32 | Juxta | my teacher will demand it anyways, so "a written" agreement from an author would be good enough |
| 10:41:46 | JdGordon | dont give it to him so he fails the assingment :D |
| 10:42:05 | Juxta | hehe then i will have to manipulate a conversation ^^ |
| 10:42:34 | Zagor | as I said then you need to contact the author of that image, Miika Pekkarinen |
| 10:42:49 | Zagor | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MiikaPekkarinen |
| 10:42:51 | Juxta | k |
| 10:44:29 | Zagor | with "screens" do you mean screenshots? |
| 10:50:07 | Zagor | fyi: I plan to commit #9534 today |
| 10:51:47 | * | B4gder buckles up |
| 10:53:13 | B4gder | we have have an extra beer tonight and celebrate this! |
| 10:53:22 | B4gder | uhm, replace one have with 'can' |
| 10:53:29 | Zagor | can can? ;) |
| 10:53:40 | B4gder | no cans, just pints! |
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| 11:04:55 | LinusN | Zagor: while you're at it, remove the depencendy for make zip |
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| 11:25:04 | rasher | Zagor: have you considered crosscompiling sims? (using mingw32 on Linux, I think is the only current, and possible, use) |
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| 11:37:04 | Zagor | rasher: that could be interesting |
| 11:42:41 | rasher | Zagor: it appears to be working at least a good deal through the compile |
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| 11:52:34 | rasher | Zagor: it "pretty much" works. UI256.bmp doesn't end up in the correct dir, and the executable doesn't get a pretty icon, but the output does in fact appear to work |
| 11:53:45 | * | Zagor spots some sneakily-named bitmaps |
| 11:53:54 | Zagor | rasher: nice |
| 11:54:23 | Zagor | I never understood the UI256 thing. does it have to be in the root? how is it used? |
| 11:54:48 | rasher | Zagor: Actually, the .rocks might be wrong, I didn't manage to run a plugin, but I've no time to test further (and codecs might be broken as well, I assume) |
| 11:55:00 | rasher | Zagor: It has to be in the root, and it's used if you start rockboxui with −−background |
| 11:55:11 | rasher | that is, the same folder as rockboxui(.exe) |
| 11:55:23 | Zagor | ok. I'll put it there then. |
| 11:55:47 | Zagor | I've moved a number of files out of there because I like it relatively clean. |
| 11:56:14 | rasher | Zagor: if you want to test yourself, simple build instructions are here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UiSimulator#Building_Windows_sim_in_Linux |
| 11:56:36 | rasher | And the sim runs in wine, so you don't even need to touch Windows at all |
| 11:56:49 | Zagor | excellent |
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| 12:21:07 | Zagor | brace for commit |
| 12:21:37 | * | JdGordon is taking bets on the score |
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| 12:25:45 | * | gevaerts expects a new record |
| 12:26:32 | Zagor | doubters :) |
| 12:26:42 | * | GodEater wonders if anyone's told dev.cgi to expect the sudden hammering it's about to receive |
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| 12:27:29 | * | gevaerts tweaks his build server to help the record along ;) |
| 12:27:49 | JdGordon | removing the compiler doesnt give it a big enough scrore |
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| 12:28:42 | preglow | that's what i call a commit |
| 12:29:33 | preglow | why, this looks golden |
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| 12:30:23 | Zagor | the commit message has one of the longest subject lines I've seen |
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| 12:32:21 | GodEater | "Build should have been done (n) seconds ago" :) |
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| 12:35:36 | * | GodEater suspects around 26 suddenly hung build jobs around the globe. |
| 12:36:11 | Zagor | Oh Ye of Little Faith |
| 12:36:29 | * | pixelma guesse that the first compile in a new way just takes longer |
| 12:36:51 | preglow | checkout probably takes a while too, maybe |
| 12:37:06 | preglow | what with umpteen files changed |
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| 12:37:50 | GodEater | wow |
| 12:37:52 | GodEater | green |
| 12:38:11 | * | GodEater hands in his doubters badge |
| 12:38:41 | * | pixelma checks if everything that should be is in the zip ;) |
| 12:39:16 | Zagor | we also need testing that the binaries work as they should. plugins & codecs etc. |
| 12:40:36 | Zagor | I don't expect problems but as they say: faith is good. control is better. :-) |
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| 12:43:12 | Zagor | B4gder: the file size delta table isn't working. it says 0/0 in every column. |
| 12:43:20 | preglow | let the users do that! |
| 12:43:55 | kugel | Zagor: yay nice |
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| 12:47:21 | n1s | Zagor: the location of rockbox.map changed and i think that is what the delta table script it looking for |
| 12:47:40 | Zagor | n1s: ok |
| 12:47:45 | kugel | Zagor: what's the specific reason to CC apps/ code after plugins and codecs? |
| 12:48:45 | Nico_P | Zagor: congrats for the commit :) |
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| 12:49:02 | Zagor | Nico_P: thanks |
| 12:49:09 | Nico_P | I shall test with a sansa build :) |
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| 12:49:30 | Zagor | kugel: there is no reason. make tries to build apps first, but things in there depend on other things like bitmaps and speex voice codec and so those must be built first. |
| 12:49:50 | n1s | hmm, my newly built sim tells me this: "failed to load archos/_temp_codec0.dll |
| 12:49:50 | n1s | dlopen(archos/_temp_codec0.dll): archos/_temp_codec0.dll: invalid ELF header |
| 12:49:50 | n1s | " |
| 12:50:00 | n1s | when trying to play a file |
| 12:50:29 | kugel | Zagor: ah ok, makes sense |
| 12:50:33 | Zagor | n1s: ok, I'll look at that |
| 12:50:35 | n1s | same for plugins, "invalid ELF header" |
| 12:50:48 | n1s | Zagor: x86_64 if that matters |
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| 12:52:43 | * | pondlife pops in to congratulate Zagor a bit more |
| 12:53:08 | Zagor | cheers |
| 12:53:49 | pondlife | No sarcasm, but I'm also getting the sim playback failure. |
| 12:54:00 | pondlife | "failed to load archos/_temp_codec0.dll" |
| 12:54:09 | Zagor | yup, sounds like a sim plugin/code link issue |
| 12:54:50 | Zagor | hehe: archos/.rockbox/rocks/games/blackjack.rock: VMS Alpha executable |
| 12:54:55 | Zagor | umm, not quite what I had in mind... |
| 12:57:20 | kugel | Zagor: "make bin" followed by "make bin" doesn't work? do I need to rerun configure or something? |
| 12:57:52 | Zagor | define "doesn't work" |
| 12:58:05 | kugel | or doesn't it want to compile because I didn't change anything? |
| 12:58:22 | Zagor | "Nothing to be done" means precisely that |
| 12:58:31 | kugel | cool |
| 12:59:16 | * | Nico_P 's sansa doesn't seem to be recognized by linux |
| 12:59:37 | Nico_P | dmesg reads "config 128 interface 0 altsetting 0 endpoint 0x81 has an invalid bInterval 100, changing to 10" and no device seems to appear |
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| 13:01:23 | kugel | Nico_P: have you trued fs#6800 already (on a h300)? |
| 13:01:45 | Nico_P | kugel: I have no H300 at hand |
| 13:02:02 | n1s | Zagor: a target build on my gigabeast also displays "Codec failure" when trying to play a file, plugins work there though |
| 13:02:31 | * | Nico_P was being stupid about the sansa... forgot to set it to MSC instead of MTP |
| 13:02:56 | Zagor | n1s: yeah I found a mistake in plugins.make and codecs.make |
| 13:03:38 | Zagor | n1s: try changing $(CODECFLAGS) to $(CODECLDFLAGS) in the %.codec pattern rule at the bottom of codecs.make |
| 13:03:56 | Zagor | no, wrong. |
| 13:04:09 | n1s | Which also shows an unrelated bug, the "Codec failure" splash comes from a different thread than ui, it enven splashes on top of plugins... |
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| 13:05:31 | Nico_P | woah woah my sansa's screen is fading to white |
| 13:06:29 | kugel | Nico_P: same here |
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| 13:07:44 | Nico_P | 3.0 is ok... phew :) |
| 13:07:46 | kugel | Zagor: sansa build doesn't seem to boot |
| 13:08:16 | Zagor | kugel: which sansa? It ran fine on my c200 yesterday |
| 13:08:23 | kugel | e200 |
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| 13:08:34 | Zagor | odd |
| 13:09:30 | pixelma | I remember the "screen melting bug" reported on e200s in the beginnings of the port |
| 13:09:42 | kugel | Zagor: the screen fades out slowly after the bootloader says "calculating crc32" |
| 13:10:00 | Zagor | sim plugin/codec fix committed |
| 13:10:03 | pixelma | not sure what there was done to solve it but I guess one can find something in the commit logs |
| 13:10:35 | pixelma | -there |
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| 13:12:09 | Zagor | n1s: can you try different codecs on the gigabeat s? do they all fail? |
| 13:12:33 | preglow | seems like the bug where you need to make codecs twice is gone too |
| 13:13:45 | n1s | Zagor: bot vorbis and mp3 fail, those are the only fiels on it ATM |
| 13:14:02 | Zagor | ok |
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| 13:14:36 | Ctcp | Version from J-23!n=zelazko@unix.net.pl |
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| 13:15:32 | kugel | so let's iron out the sansa build bug |
| 13:15:52 | n1s | Zagor: with your latest fix, my sim build spits out a "cp: kan inte ta status på "/home/nils/rockbox/h300sim/adx.elf": Filen eller katalogen finns inte" for each codec, and codecs aren't linked... |
| 13:16:09 | Zagor | meh |
| 13:17:18 | Zagor | copy/paste mistake |
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| 13:17:28 | n1s | plugins are fine though :) |
| 13:17:48 | Zagor | try now |
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| 13:18:50 | kugel | pixelma: could you meanr13531 |
| 13:19:02 | kugel | lol, nice number |
| 13:21:17 | n1s | Zagor: now i get the same cp error for plugins too, and codecs still :/ |
| 13:21:44 | Zagor | n1s: eh? I didn't change plugins.make |
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| 13:23:17 | n1s | Zagor: I don't know, i find make scary and confusing... anyway it seems to be looking for all plugins in subdirs, so those which have subdirs work... |
| 13:27:13 | Zagor | show me one of the error lines |
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| 13:29:26 | n1s | hmm, i was mistaken, it looks in the right place it seems, and the file is there... "cp: kan inte ta status på "/home/nils/rockbox/h300sim/apps/plugins/flipit.elf": Filen eller katalogen finns inte" |
| 13:30:02 | n1s | if i run make a second time they are linked |
| 13:30:14 | n1s | or cp'ed |
| 13:30:38 | Zagor | you have flipit.o in the same directory, right? |
| 13:30:51 | n1s | yes |
| 13:31:10 | Zagor | then that error message is very strange. |
| 13:31:46 | Zagor | remove one rock and run make again |
| 13:33:19 | n1s | it recreates the .rock just fine |
| 13:33:25 | Zagor | and no error? |
| 13:33:30 | n1s | nope |
| 13:33:46 | Zagor | what if you rm -rf apps/plugins? |
| 13:33:48 | kugel | Zagor: do I need to rebuilt the bootloader? my svn-of-a-few-days-ago bootloader doesn't boot into rockbox |
| 13:34:33 | Zagor | kugel: no there should be no functional differences |
| 13:35:03 | pixelma | kugel: did you try with bootloader and a daily build? Maybe this helps tracking down where the error is... |
| 13:35:23 | kugel | pixelma: it worked after jhMikeS' |
| 13:35:26 | kugel | latest commit |
| 13:35:42 | kugel | it's Zagor's commit. Nico_P also has the problem |
| 13:36:07 | Zagor | screen fading doesn't mean it doesn't load. it just means the screen is fading. |
| 13:36:32 | Zagor | you need to be very specific when describing problems, so we are not chasing ghosts |
| 13:36:37 | kugel | yea, true. I cannot get to the main menu |
| 13:36:47 | Zagor | cannot get, or cannot see? |
| 13:37:15 | kugel | Zagor: I already told you: the screen fades out after the bootloader says "calculating crc32" |
| 13:37:35 | kugel | screen fades out as in turns all black slowly over time |
| 13:37:58 | Zagor | that sounds like rockbox loading fine, but does something wrong in the lcd setup |
| 13:38:19 | n1s | Zagor: if i delete the whole apps/plugins dir the cp errors are back |
| 13:38:37 | Zagor | n1s: and you don't get any .rock files? |
| 13:39:00 | n1s | exactly, a missing dependency on the elf files, maybe? |
| 13:40:36 | Zagor | no, I think it is a make problem I've ran into before. try removing the $(shell ) around the cp line |
| 13:40:59 | n1s | $(SILENT)cp $(BUILDDIR)/$*.elf $@ ? |
| 13:41:04 | Zagor | exactly |
| 13:41:07 | pixelma | kugel: "fading black" as in backlight fades out or the LCD turns black - and is this with your backlight fading changes, Nico_P mentioned fading to white... |
| 13:41:35 | kugel | pixelma: the lcd turns black, the backlight is on all the time |
| 13:42:02 | kugel | pixelma: well, it has very different colors when that fading starts, but in the end it's black |
| 13:42:28 | n1s | Zagor: that fixed the plugins :) |
| 13:42:41 | Zagor | I wonder why I don't get the problem |
| 13:42:42 | kugel | now it started with beeing white, then going over to orange then brown then black |
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| 13:43:24 | Zagor | n1s: yeah I've found that make has a bug in that it doesn't run all commands sequentially(!). make function calls are executed before "normal" exec lines |
| 13:43:41 | Zagor | so the $(shell) call was called before the gcc linker |
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| 13:46:03 | n1s | how fun, same fix in codecs.make works for codecs too, now only one small peculiarity left on the sim, midi.rock ends up in .rockbox/rocks while it should be in .rockbox/rocks/viewers when making install |
| 13:46:20 | kugel | pixelma: it looks like lcd_enable(false) without clearing the lcd before |
| 13:47:56 | Zagor | n1s: ok, checking that. |
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| 13:49:57 | kugel | Zagor: could that be a linking error or some kind? I can't imagine how your commit breaks the build |
| 13:51:19 | Zagor | we simply have to be more imaginative... |
| 13:51:48 | Zagor | linking errors are usually caught in the linker since we have a relatively complex linker script |
| 13:52:02 | Zagor | but obviously there is something wrong |
| 13:52:15 | kugel | Zagor: could it be related to the mi4-format? |
| 13:52:40 | Zagor | can we get some more people testing sansa, please? c200, c100 etc. does it happen on all? |
| 13:53:20 | Zagor | kugel: my guess based on your description is that it loads and starts. if mi4 was wrong it wouldn't be able to start, as I understand it. |
| 13:53:57 | Nico_P | kugel: have you tried the rev before Zagor's commit? |
| 13:54:33 | kugel | ah yea. but it's not responsive too. the backlight and the button light stays on, and you can only turn it off with holding power 10s (normally you only need to hold it 3s) |
| 13:54:37 | kugel | Nico_P: yes |
| 13:54:45 | Nico_P | ok |
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| 13:55:44 | pixelma | going to test on my c200 |
| 13:57:50 | n1s | testing on c200 here, it freezes on a black screen with backlight on directly after the bootloader |
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| 13:58:12 | Zagor | badness |
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| 14:02:00 | n1s | Zagor these are the last few lines of a "make bin V=1" and the whole compression thing looks fishy, http://pastebin.ca/1262590 |
| 14:03:15 | Zagor | eww, that's not supposed to be done for sansas. well spotted. |
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| 14:06:08 | Zagor | oh but it isn't done either. that's just the output of the line. but compression is never done. |
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| 14:07:22 | LinusN | Zagor: are the files linked in the same oerder? |
| 14:07:24 | LinusN | order |
| 14:07:31 | Zagor | if it did, you'd see "Image too big, making a compressed version!" |
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| 14:07:54 | Zagor | LinusN: every single object file? most should be, but probably not all. |
| 14:08:11 | LinusN | Zagor: crt0.S might be important |
| 14:08:28 | Zagor | that one is loaded by the linker script, so that works |
| 14:08:41 | Zagor | also the linker complains loudly if it doesn't find the start symbol. been there... :) |
| 14:09:03 | LinusN | would it make sense to compare md5 sums? |
| 14:09:17 | Zagor | no, they will inevitably differ |
| 14:09:19 | LinusN | i mean, your makefile changes should produce identical binaries |
| 14:09:29 | LinusN | hmm, except the version string |
| 14:09:44 | Zagor | and only if the libraries and object files are linked in the exact same order |
| 14:10:02 | LinusN | well, shouldn't they? |
| 14:10:19 | Zagor | no |
| 14:11:53 | Zagor | if we have such a fragile system that moving a bitmap struct from one place in the image to the other, we have problems |
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| 14:12:32 | Zagor | insert "crashes" at a suitable place :) |
| 14:16:45 | B4gder | is rockbox-info.txt done correctly? |
| 14:17:03 | B4gder | http://build.rockbox.org/cvsmod/sizes-20081120T121013Z |
| 14:17:07 | B4gder | indicates it isn't |
| 14:17:21 | Zagor | no some fields seem to be missing |
| 14:17:41 | Zagor | "Actual size:" is empty and "RAM usage:" is 0 |
| 14:17:54 | Zagor | rockbox.map moved to the root. I guess that's it? |
| 14:18:03 | B4gder | probably, yes |
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| 14:25:08 | Zagor | .text segment size are nearly identical, suggesting no bug chunks of unlinked code: 0x72c60 now vs 0x72cf8 for last rev |
| 14:25:16 | Zagor | s/bug/big |
| 14:27:26 | kugel | shouldn't they be exactly identical? |
| 14:27:44 | JdGordon | gcc adds some randomness just to be fun |
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| 14:28:38 | n1s | could anyone try a different mi4 target perhaps? might give some clues |
| 14:29:26 | Zagor | and lcd_init for example is in nearly the same location |
| 14:29:43 | pixelma | would there be a point in trying a cygwin compiled c200 build? |
| 14:29:59 | Zagor | pixelma: can't hurt. it might give some clues. |
| 14:30:40 | JdGordon | e200v1 crashes also |
| 14:30:49 | kugel | we know :) |
| 14:31:03 | JdGordon | oh |
| 14:31:07 | pixelma | compiling went fine btw. (I think it was faster but am not sure if I remember build times correctly for the target build.) |
| 14:31:17 | * | JdGordon just saw the call for mi4 targets and only the c100 mentioned |
| 14:31:18 | kugel | isn't that philips the only other mi4 target? |
| 14:31:28 | n1s | h10 too iirc |
| 14:31:32 | pixelma | no, h10 too |
| 14:31:40 | * | pixelma too slow |
| 14:31:47 | kugel | oh, h10 and mrobe100 also |
| 14:32:24 | n1s | so let's hope the mrobe user comes here :) |
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| 14:32:38 | kugel | yes, both :P |
| 14:32:47 | JdGordon | I'm sure if there are any and its broken we will hear from them |
| 14:33:57 | kugel | but maybe it's related to PP. then ipods would also experience that |
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| 14:34:13 | kugel | did anyone test on an ipod? |
| 14:34:20 | fyre^OS | ? |
| 14:34:27 | fyre^OS | what needs testing on an ipod |
| 14:34:35 | kugel | current build, if it boots |
| 14:34:40 | fyre^OS | ill check right now. |
| 14:34:44 | fyre^OS | using 5g |
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| 14:35:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | I'll test too on my iPod color. |
| 14:37:15 | * | LambdaCalculus37 backs up his current build first |
| 14:37:24 | JdGordon | broekn ipod reported in flyspray |
| 14:37:36 | fyre^OS | oh nice |
| 14:37:44 | LambdaCalculus37 | JdGordon: What's the tracker number? |
| 14:37:49 | JdGordon | 9564 |
| 14:37:54 | JdGordon | 4min ago |
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| 14:38:59 | fyre^OS | not booting |
| 14:39:03 | LambdaCalculus37 | Not booting. |
| 14:39:13 | pixelma | cygwin compiled build gives the backlit black screen too, right after the SanDisk logo. I see nothing of the Rockbox bootloader but I don't have the latest released, I think |
| 14:39:17 | LambdaCalculus37 | fyre^OS: Is yours stuck at the Apple logo? |
| 14:39:19 | pixelma | on c200 that is |
| 14:39:20 | fyre^OS | yes |
| 14:39:22 | n1s | Zagor: H300 is the same as the Beast, codec failure (mp3, vorbis, flac, sid) but plugins working |
| 14:39:25 | LambdaCalculus37 | Same here. |
| 14:39:40 | Zagor | n1s: ok, thanks |
| 14:39:42 | * | LambdaCalculus37 boots back into the OF |
| 14:39:50 | kugel | haha, good that Zagor broke the targets with the most user :) |
| 14:40:03 | B4gder | that should teach'em! |
| 14:40:06 | Zagor | it seems I broke all targets |
| 14:40:10 | LambdaCalculus37 | :D |
| 14:40:11 | fyre^OS | gg |
| 14:40:18 | fyre^OS | its good that i saw this too |
| 14:40:24 | fyre^OS | i had some kind of weird cache bug |
| 14:40:26 | Zagor | not bad for an all-green commit, eh? ;) |
| 14:40:32 | JdGordon | Zagor: its nice to see the full paths now :) |
| 14:40:32 | LambdaCalculus37 | iPod 3G has a red! |
| 14:40:35 | kugel | indeed |
| 14:40:38 | fyre^OS | i found files in my .rockbox dir that were over 2 gb |
| 14:41:07 | JdGordon | linux e200 sim works (incase noone else tested yet) |
| 14:41:55 | pixelma | a nice round score ;) |
| 14:42:20 | Zagor | LambdaCalculus37: that's odd. it's not supposed to run the linker until that .link file is created |
| 14:42:26 | JdGordon | Bagder: untill this is all sorted should you maybe still a link on the build page to the last daily? |
| 14:42:47 | LambdaCalculus37 | JdGordon: Good idea. |
| 14:42:58 | Zagor | ah, /bin/sh: cannot create /home/rbclient/build-ipod3g/apps/codecs/codec.link: Directory nonexistent |
| 14:43:42 | LambdaCalculus37 | Zagor: The iPod 3G is reported "broken?" on the current build page. |
| 14:43:55 | LambdaCalculus37 | What's it linking to? |
| 14:44:11 | JdGordon | I just did a 3g build and it built fine.. might just be a server qwerk? |
| 14:44:30 | Zagor | JdGordon: it happens with massive -j (paralellism) |
| 14:46:11 | Zagor | fixed |
| 14:46:56 | B4gder | why is $(shell) needed for cases like that? |
| 14:47:15 | Zagor | to avoid the bug where make runs $(call) lines before "simple" exec lines |
| 14:47:28 | B4gder | ugh |
| 14:47:29 | Zagor | at I least I consider that to be a bug |
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| 14:48:17 | LambdaCalculus37 | Should we announce on the ML that current builds may be broken for a little bit? |
| 14:48:24 | Zagor | three functions are missing from the new e200 build, compared to the previous revision: speex_mode_query, statusbar_icon_play_mode and statusbar_icon_shuffle |
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| 14:48:44 | Zagor | LambdaCalculus37: probably a good idea |
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| 14:48:58 | * | Zagor sends a mail |
| 14:50:06 | Zagor | perhaps a note on the download page too |
| 14:50:10 | Zagor | instead, even |
| 14:50:14 | pixelma | why would the absence of these function already let booting fail? |
| 14:50:41 | Zagor | pixelma: I don't think they are the cause of this |
| 14:51:00 | Zagor | rather they are not used and the new link line removes them where the old didn't |
| 14:51:12 | Zagor | if they were called and not linked, the linker would scream |
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| 14:51:55 | pixelma | aha, can't imagine these as the cause either |
| 14:51:59 | kugel | I din't think they're not used. I know there's a shuffle icon in the e200 statusbar |
| 14:52:06 | kugel | don't* |
| 14:53:08 | kugel | Zagor: maybe we get an undefined instruction somewhere, but we cannot see it if it is before lcd init |
| 14:53:20 | Zagor | could be |
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| 14:55:18 | kugel | statusbar init is way after lcd init, so we would probably see it if this 3 functions are missing |
| 14:57:45 | * | Zagor added a big red note to build.rockbox.org |
| 14:57:59 | kugel | Zagor: so I moved lcd init up a bit, and it doesn't fade out anymore (but it still doesn't boot) |
| 14:58:34 | Zagor | ah |
| 14:59:48 | kugel | Zagor: now that I moved i2c init before lcd init it fades out again |
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| 15:00:21 | kugel | i assume the bug is somewhere in i2c_init()? |
| 15:02:13 | kugel | commented out i2c_init removes the fade out again |
| 15:05:46 | n1s | Zagor: the plugins that have their own foo.make file are still objcopied when building a sim |
| 15:06:17 | Zagor | n1s: ah |
| 15:07:17 | Zagor | umm, not all |
| 15:08:01 | n1s | at least midi and doom, "file" tells me they are "VMS Alpha executable" |
| 15:08:35 | Zagor | right. all but two, it turns out.. |
| 15:11:49 | LambdaCalculus37 | n1s: "VMS Alpha executable"? Strange. :) |
| 15:12:29 | Zagor | yeah that's what an objcopied ELF file becomes |
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| 15:18:57 | B4gder | speaking of nothing at all, I wonder if we'd gain anything significant by adopting the linux kernel's likely() and unlikely() usage |
| 15:19:10 | Zagor | what is that? |
| 15:19:15 | B4gder | if(likely(wrong)) { do this; } |
| 15:19:24 | n1s | compiler hints? |
| 15:19:29 | B4gder | using a gcc builtin thing to hint |
| 15:19:36 | B4gder | #define likely(x)__builtin_expect(!!(x), 1) |
| 15:19:52 | n1s | we do use that in the tremor codec in a few places |
| 15:20:29 | B4gder | "GCC hacks in the Linux kernel" => http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-gcc-hacks/index.html has some good ideas to borrow |
| 15:21:31 | Zagor | ohh, switch ranges. I didn't know that. |
| 15:21:44 | B4gder | Zagor: possibly OC and OCFLAGS could be variables and then OC could be set to cp for sims |
| 15:21:56 | B4gder | switch ranges look pretty neat |
| 15:23:30 | Zagor | likely() looks like something one should get used to using |
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| 15:24:13 | Zagor | I don't know if our current architectures/gcc versions benefit from it, but it's definitely a good programming practice imho |
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| 15:24:18 | B4gder | and it's not very disturbing in the code either |
| 15:24:39 | Zagor | exactly. one could actually argue it makes the code easier to follow. |
| 15:24:41 | B4gder | it's also actually a hint to the casual reader of the code |
| 15:24:45 | B4gder | haha |
| 15:25:14 | B4gder | it's almost like you're my brother! |
| 15:29:35 | kugel | switch ranges is basically case 1: case 2: case 3: ? |
| 15:29:56 | kugel | with fallthrough that is |
| 15:30:17 | Zagor | kugel: yes |
| 15:30:31 | kugel | not sure if using a non-standard extension is worth it if it could be done as easily with standard stuff |
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| 15:35:43 | n1s | kugel: a) we already use some gcc extensions and b) are pretty unlikely to start using a different compiler any time soon |
| 15:35:53 | Zagor | it could be rather nice if you have a value range of, say, 10000 and a dozen fields within those. |
| 15:36:17 | Zagor | a thousand case lines isn't quite the same :) |
| 15:36:26 | kugel | yea, true too |
| 15:36:36 | amiconn | Bagder, Zagor: I tried the type-checking min/max macros a while ago. They would be nice, as they're also producing better code, but they cause a ton of warnings which need fixing... |
| 15:36:40 | kugel | the un/likely looks pretty interesting to me too |
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| 15:38:05 | Zagor | kugel: did you do anymore boot tests? I would do it myself but I don't have a target here... :-( |
| 15:38:44 | kugel | Zagor: no, I haven't time right now |
| 15:38:50 | n1s | kugel: btw, in the likely/unlikely case it is easy to define an empty macro depending on __GNUC__ |
| 15:39:22 | kugel | n1s: that's why I find it interesting :) |
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| 15:44:21 | Zagor | anyone who can run some target tests for me? |
| 15:44:51 | Zagor | first test: remove option -Wl,−−gc-sections from root.make line 115 |
| 15:45:16 | n1s | Zagor: sure, sansa or booting target? |
| 15:45:27 | Zagor | sansa |
| 15:48:07 | Zagor | with that option removed, the .text segment is exactly the same size as before |
| 15:48:35 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 15:51:08 | n1s | yes, it boots with that option removed, same deal with codecs as the other targets too |
| 15:51:23 | Zagor | ah, great |
| 15:51:42 | n1s | yes :) |
| 15:52:06 | amiconn | Zagor: Is there a reason why -Wl,−−gc-sections is used for normal builds now? Previously it was only used for bootloaders |
| 15:52:42 | Zagor | I assumed it would remove unused code without harming anything. I was wrong. |
| 15:52:57 | amiconn | Imho using that is unwanted for normal builds, because it causes laziness in cleaning up unused stuff. But if it is wanted, some sections need to be marked using KEEP() in the linker script |
| 15:53:11 | Zagor | what sections? |
| 15:53:14 | amiconn | Compare app.lds and boot.lds |
| 15:53:39 | amiconn | vectors, for instance |
| 15:55:20 | Zagor | I think we should strive towards making it work with that option, but I'll disable it now |
| 15:55:42 | Zagor | it is very difficult to manually keep track of exactly which functions are used and not in every build |
| 15:56:40 | Zagor | n1s: please try removing the same option from codecs.make line 93 |
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| 15:57:24 | Zagor | n1s: did you say some plugins worked? |
| 15:57:48 | n1s | yes, i tried some random ones |
| 15:59:33 | amiconn | Were there any non-arm targets affected by that? I guess not... |
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| 16:01:01 | Zagor | gigabeat s even worked |
| 16:01:10 | n1s | Zagor: i did rm-rf apps/codecs and rebuilt but get the same codec failure, would a make clean be needed in between? |
| 16:01:27 | Zagor | n1s: no that won't make a difference |
| 16:01:53 | Zagor | n1s: can you do a thorough plugin check? |
| 16:02:04 | n1s | sure |
| 16:03:45 | amiconn | SH and coldfire seem to have proper KEEP() protection in both boot.lds and app.lds |
| 16:03:56 | amiconn | ARM has no .vectors but there must be an equivalent |
| 16:04:39 | amiconn | Zagor: Look at the gigabeat S .lds files... |
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| 16:09:30 | n1s | Zagor: tested all games on c200 and they seem to work as well (or poorly) as they used to :) |
| 16:10:06 | Zagor | n1s: great, thanks. now why doesn't codecs work... |
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| 16:17:28 | kugel | Zagor: regarding your commit message, it wasn't only sansa which didn't boot |
| 16:17:40 | kugel | it seemed to affect pp targets |
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| 16:17:52 | Zagor | true |
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| 16:20:07 | kugel | B4gder: I would've a use for likey(x) if we decide to use it |
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| 16:29:52 | Zagor | the codecs are quite a bit smaller |
| 16:30:04 | n1s | Zagor: this might be a clue, in an old vorbis.map file i found codec_start is the first function in the text section (from codec_crt0.o) and in one from a new build it's second after codec_main (from vorbis.o) |
| 16:30:32 | B4gder | a good clue I'd say |
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| 16:31:14 | Zagor | in the map files I'm comparing now, they are in the exact same order |
| 16:31:29 | B4gder | then perhaps not so good clue ;-) |
| 16:31:35 | Zagor | but the new has a .text section of 0x83f4 bytes while the old is 0x8534 |
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| 16:32:30 | Zagor | haha, that is because the old codec includes libcodec twice... |
| 16:33:15 | Zagor | so dual memcpy, memset, codec_malloc etc |
| 16:33:50 | Zagor | I'm surprised ld does that |
| 16:33:55 | B4gder | dual is much better than single |
| 16:34:05 | B4gder | :-P |
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| 16:38:11 | n1s | I want to try changing the order the object files are linked into the elf, how would i do that? |
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| 16:43:23 | Zagor | n1s: the codecs are typically just one object file and a library |
| 16:44:35 | Zagor | and the order is the same as before |
| 16:44:55 | Zagor | there are actually two object files: codec.o and crt.o |
| 16:48:23 | Zagor | PLUGIN_RAM is defined differently in the lds file |
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| 16:49:19 | n1s | at least for an x5 build the order of crt0.o and codec.o in the codecs i checked is reversed |
| 16:49:31 | n1s | so crt0 is no longer first |
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| 16:49:53 | n1s | (x5 is the only semi recent build from before your changes i have still) |
| 16:49:59 | Zagor | n1s: really? the old build I'm comparing with links the crt0.o after codec.o |
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| 16:50:31 | Zagor | in any case the code maps turn out the same. I'm pretty sure the plugin_ram thing is the problem. |
| 16:53:13 | Zagor | yes, it preprocesses plugin.lds without -DCODEC |
| 16:54:59 | Zagor | update and try now |
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| 16:57:33 | n1s | ah, yes working now (h300) |
| 16:57:43 | n1s | :) |
| 16:58:10 | Zagor | great! |
| 16:58:24 | Zagor | I'll remove the big red sign on the download page then |
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| 17:01:15 | Zagor | B4gder: what is needed to fix dev.cgi to show size deltas again? |
| 17:02:08 | B4gder | rockbox-info.txt needs to be fine |
| 17:02:18 | Zagor | ah right, that was the problem |
| 17:07:13 | Zagor | meh, bootloaders still need gc-sections |
| 17:07:58 | n1s | Zagor: where should individual compiler flags for plugins and codecs be set now? IIUC most of them were lost/removed? |
| 17:09:13 | Zagor | they should still be there, in their respective .make file. files (directories) which want special flags define a new pattern rule that matches only that directory |
| 17:09:27 | Zagor | see doom.make for example |
| 17:13:59 | Zagor | amiconn: do we want gc-sections on all bootloaders? it looks like only bootbox needs it |
| 17:18:58 | Zagor | umm, the h100 and player deltas look a bit strange |
| 17:19:20 | Zagor | anyone have a h100 to test on? |
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| 17:22:18 | pixelma | will this change also fix the problem with garbled bitmaps when the size of a certain bitmap changes? |
| 17:22:18 | * | petur looks at LinusN |
| 17:22:55 | Zagor | I haven't heard about that problem or the cause of it, so I don't know. |
| 17:23:37 | pixelma | well the bitmaps look as if the old data is used and stuffed into the new size. I'll try that then |
| 17:25:18 | Zagor | was that plugin bitmaps or the core ones? |
| 17:26:17 | pixelma | both |
| 17:26:33 | Zagor | I tried touching some bmp files, and it seems to work. |
| 17:26:52 | Zagor | plugin bitmaps trigger a full rebuild of all plugins, but better safe than sorry :-) |
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| 17:27:02 | pixelma | nice :) |
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| 17:31:46 | Zagor | oh dear we have a new fun "comes and goes" delta game. only this time it's 100k up and down instead of 26 bytes... |
| 17:33:14 | n1s | it's also a pure ram delta no bin difference |
| 17:33:24 | Zagor | yes |
| 17:34:11 | amiconn | The bitmap-of-different-size problem is most probably not fixed by this rework |
| 17:35:18 | Zagor | not? |
| 17:35:32 | amiconn | It is an object naming problem within the .a |
| 17:36:03 | Zagor | ok, what IS the problem? |
| 17:36:25 | amiconn | Currently the bitmap objects names contain the size, but the provided variable is the same |
| 17:36:36 | Zagor | yes |
| 17:37:06 | amiconn | So if you change the size of a bitmap, the compiler will create an .o with a different name, which is then added to the .a, i.e. doesn't replace the old one |
| 17:37:29 | amiconn | But the linker will choose the first object that provides the variable it is looking for |
| 17:37:29 | Zagor | not at all |
| 17:37:49 | Zagor | the .a contains a specific number of files that are listed in SOURCES |
| 17:38:50 | amiconn | Yes of course. But it will also contain objects from a previous run |
| 17:38:52 | Zagor | and in fact the bitmaps aren't even in a library anymore |
| 17:39:14 | amiconn | Aha, then it might be fixed. Why not, btw? |
| 17:39:31 | Zagor | wrong, the plugin bitmaps are |
| 17:40:11 | Zagor | because making a library is an unnecessary step for objects that we know will be included in the elf |
| 17:41:07 | Zagor | the problem you describe is easily solved by removing the .a before running ar |
| 17:41:58 | Zagor | I must say I find it odd that ar does not have an option to create a new library |
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| 17:43:41 | amiconn | Zagor: You need to remove both the .a and the old objects, otherwise ar will grab them again |
| 17:44:00 | Zagor | the old objects will only be grabbed if they are still listed in SOURCES |
| 17:44:02 | amiconn | (well, unless you specify them explicitly instead of a wildcard) |
| 17:44:07 | Zagor | I do |
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| 18:20:43 | netzwurm | hey |
| 18:20:55 | netzwurm | is there a linux program to update the rockbox db while connected via usb? |
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| 18:24:10 | n1s | netzwurm: there is a standalone app in the rockbox sources that can do it but it has not seen much love in quite a while so it probably doesn't work anymore... |
| 18:24:48 | netzwurm | n1s: that's too bad. for some reason auto-updating doesn't work for me ever and that means i have to restart my rockbox twice after transfering podcasts. |
| 18:25:05 | bertrik | wow, the generating dependencies step takes seriously long |
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| 18:25:52 | n1s | bertrik: IIUC that is because dependencies for _all_ object files are gnereated in one go, earlier they were spread into one dep per dir so less noticable |
| 18:25:52 | netzwurm | n1s: thanks anyway. |
| 18:26:01 | netzwurm | n1s: what's the app called? |
| 18:26:25 | n1s | netzwurm: if you are able to hack some c you could probably make it work again. :) |
| 18:26:38 | netzwurm | n1s: i'll look into it. |
| 18:27:17 | n1s | the main file is tools/database.c as you can see it relies heavily on the rockbox code |
| 18:29:52 | netzwurm | ok. |
| 18:30:55 | n1s | running "make database" in the tools dir _should_ build it |
| 18:32:33 | netzwurm | yeah. or not :) |
| 18:34:21 | n1s | hmm, someone moved some files around |
| 18:34:58 | bertrik | and sansa clip no longer builds |
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| 18:39:12 | n1s | netzwurm: even after fixing the paths it spits out a bunch of warnings and dies so it is probably quite a bit of work to get it working :) |
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| 19:56:42 | preglow | what do we use the hi res timer for? backlight fading and... ? |
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| 20:02:43 | amiconn | preglow: The core uses it only for fading (on targets which can do that), but several plugins need it: metronome, everything using the greylib, video.rock, doom (on colour targets), ... |
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| 20:15:02 | Nico_P | can FS #9564 be closed? |
| 20:15:33 | * | amiconn wonders what the heck causes this weird behaviour of test_codec with ape -c5000 on his PP5022 targets |
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| 20:19:53 | LambdaCalculus37 | Nico_P: I think it can. |
| 20:19:57 | * | LambdaCalculus37 goes to close it |
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| 20:24:04 | kugel | check your emails! I sent a mail to the dev-ml |
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| 20:25:29 | Talyn0 | I installed Rockbox on an iPod v5.5 about a year and a half ago |
| 20:25:54 | Talyn0 | and at some point the album art images started loosing a strip of pixels |
| 20:26:15 | Talyn0 | a row about 20 pixels wide on every album |
| 20:26:33 | Talyn0 | it shows up for a second or two when I first bring up an album |
| 20:26:46 | Talyn0 | anyone have any ideas what this is? |
| 20:28:23 | Talyn0 | anyone have any ideas what this is? |
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| 20:31:16 | n1s | Bagder: using (un)likely() in the midi plugin actually gave a not insignificant improvement :) |
| 20:31:29 | n1s | so, where should the macros go? |
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| 20:35:40 | kugel | n1s: I suppose misc.h |
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| 20:36:30 | * | n1s was thinking more system.h this is not apps specific really (in fact it could probably be useful in firmware too) |
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| 20:40:02 | kugel | n1s: is systems.h #lncluded in apps/ code commonly? if not put it in both :) |
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| 20:41:34 | n1s | afaik it is, as it defines a bunch of useful macros, but having the same thing in several places is bad so i'll stick them in there and we'll just have to include it if we want them |
| 20:43:00 | kugel | sounds good |
| 20:43:10 | kugel | "put it in both" was more of a joke anyway |
| 20:44:39 | pixelma | the jumping big deltas seem to still be for rombx targets (maybe depending on which server compiled and including some race conditions or so) |
| 20:46:00 | pixelma | so instead of weird failing builds for those there are now weird binsize deltas |
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| 20:47:41 | pixelma | or RAM usage |
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| 20:53:35 | * | domonoky just got his first interrupt from the DMAC :-) |
| 20:54:06 | funman | domonoky: nice ! ready to share your work? |
| 20:54:09 | domonoky | funman: you forgot the interrup masks in DMAC_C0_CONFIGURATION... |
| 20:54:18 | domonoky | bit 14 and 15.. |
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| 20:54:51 | domonoky | i also move the dma_channele enable before asking the sd controller for data, but dont know if this matters.. |
| 20:55:00 | funman | oops ok |
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| 20:55:55 | * | funman will only set bit 15 - errors can't happen O:-) |
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| 21:00:21 | funman | domonoky: i get fast booting after clearing the terminal count interrupt |
| 21:00:45 | funman | and lang file loads fine :-) |
| 21:00:47 | domonoky | nice.. |
| 21:02:04 | funman | test_codec remains stuck on 'Loading...' however |
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| 21:02:14 | domonoky | so DMA is now under our control.. :-) |
| 21:02:36 | funman | and hopefully write support is a straight adaptation from sd_read_sectors |
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| 21:03:52 | funman | now the boring part : error checking, and put unique error codes all over the functions |
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| 21:05:33 | bertrik | funman, can you still build a clip rockbox with recent svn? I get a TIMER_FREQ undeclared in grey_core.c |
| 21:06:38 | funman | bertrik: a lot of plugins fail to build. I should take some time to calculate the exact timer frequency |
| 21:07:12 | funman | I thought since the peripheral clock is at 64MHz, the timer would decrase 64M times per second but it seems it's quite less than that .. |
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| 21:08:37 | funman | bertrik: http://paste.ubuntu.com/74924/ my current diff with keymaps for some plugins and dma for sd |
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| 21:09:17 | bertrik | funman, oh I haven't done ../tools/configure in a while. I may have edited something to prevent plugins to build for clip and forgot about it. |
| 21:09:32 | funman | domonoky: the api of dma-pl081.c needs to be changed a bit to support i2sin & i2sout, there is still quite a few assumptions (directions from/to peripheral, channel 0 only ..) |
| 21:09:53 | funman | bertrik: well if it fails in greylib they are being built. |
| 21:10:15 | domonoky | yes, sure.. but we now know that it works the way we think.. :-) |
| 21:10:46 | bertrik | funman, how are the clock frequencies for the ams sansas decided, i.e. why use 64 MHz and not some other frequency? |
| 21:12:29 | funman | bertrik: i chose what the OF uses, but I may have made a mistake: I thought it used a 384MHz plla, but it might be 96MHz. I guess testing lower speeds would help in reducing battery life |
| 21:15:25 | funman | if we want to use a fixed peripheral clock, and a variable cpu clock, we might need to enable the 2nd pll (pllb); i don't know what's the cost on battery |
| 21:16:09 | funman | which means we would need to use the as3514 to read battery levels first .. :) |
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| 21:18:01 | funman | domonoky: do you want to work on cleaning up the dma code? |
| 21:19:19 | domonoky | funman: my time i very limited at moment, i will not be online this weekend.. but if it isnt cleaned up till next week, i will make a try on it.. |
| 21:20:16 | funman | ok, then if i have time i will work on it, and keep you informed by the forum if it's not ready to be committed by then |
| 21:20:36 | domonoky | oki |
| 21:20:38 | funman | at least the functionality is there ;) |
| 21:24:05 | bertrik | funman, I don't know yet what would be the best w.r.t. clocking, but I think the pll itself is not the biggest power user |
| 21:24:45 | funman | iirc clocking the peripheral clock at 24MHz caused no problems, and needs no PLL |
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| 21:28:21 | Nico_P | n1s: do you (or anyone) know why there is "!!" in the likelyness compiler hints? |
| 21:29:04 | funman | if I try to use DMA for writing, I got a reboot after 1 or 2 seconds of uptime |
| 21:29:07 | kugel | Nico_P: maybe to reduce every expression to 0 and 1 |
| 21:29:18 | n1s | Nico_P: afaik !!(true) == 1, !!(false) == 0 |
| 21:29:55 | n1s | so !!4 == 1 |
| 21:30:01 | kugel | yep, that's what I meant |
| 21:30:01 | Nico_P | ah, thanks |
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| 21:31:21 | funman | yep writing support is fine, and I think read_ and write_ sectors() could be easily factorized |
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| 21:35:14 | funman | hopefully i2sout support will be quick to implement! |
| 21:35:23 | * | funman looks at gevaerts |
| 21:36:39 | gevaerts | ? |
| 21:37:03 | funman | i was mentioning the sansa-meizu race ;) |
| 21:38:43 | kugel | race? |
| 21:38:54 | * | gevaerts tries to think of ways to cheat |
| 21:39:12 | * | kugel hopes funman doesn't make porting work into a competition :( |
| 21:39:19 | funman | kugel: _friendly_ competition on how the 2 ports evolve |
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| 21:40:10 | * | domonoky defines the gen |
| 21:40:21 | funman | the winner gets the right to buy a new device and help the other port ;) |
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| 21:40:32 | * | domonoky defines the target of this race, that gentlemen mail... |
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| 21:40:49 | Nico_P | funman: that would be with the rockbox fund then ;) |
| 21:40:50 | domonoky | and proposes a sansa for the winner :-) |
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| 21:44:26 | LambdaCalculus37 | Gentlemen, start your coding! ;) |
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| 21:44:59 | kugel | 3....2.....1......data abort! |
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| 21:46:10 | funman | hm it's not perfect yet : the system deadlocks in read() in test_codec .. |
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| 21:48:25 | preglow | n1s: nice idea |
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| 21:49:34 | n1s | preglow: wasn't my idea, Bagder and Zagor were talking about it before, but it actually helped a bit in the midi player and was pretty trivial to add so I'm happy :) |
| 21:51:23 | preglow | been thinking about it myself |
| 21:51:33 | preglow | should start using it here and there in codecs |
| 21:51:40 | n1s | go! :) |
| 21:53:02 | n1s | It is still somehow baffeling that we can play ape files (c1000) on the pp players in realtime but not a f*ing midi >8 |
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| 22:18:39 | preglow | n1s: heh, not really, a midi player is a whole synth, an ape decoder is just a stream processor |
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| 22:48:30 | gevaerts | bluebrother, domonoky: At least on somewhat recent linux you can get from usb device to block device (and from there presumably to mountpoint) by walking /sys |
| 22:52:11 | bluebrother | gevaerts: interesting. Should give it a look ... |
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| 22:54:32 | Llorean | domonoky: If gevaerts' method is correct, you could pair .rockbox folders with USB IDs and never have to worry about local HD "installations" |
| 22:55:15 | domonoky | Llorean: if there is already a .rockbox dir, we will find it... |
| 22:55:22 | domonoky | the problem is the first install. |
| 22:56:01 | domonoky | autodetection also uses rockbox-info.txt and many more detection methods :-) |
| 22:56:06 | Llorean | domonoky: Yeah, but we want to *not* find .rockbox directories on local HDs. |
| 22:56:27 | domonoky | but i want that. its good for testing :-) |
| 22:56:40 | Llorean | Well, then we want to clearly mark them as "not real" devices. |
| 22:56:47 | domonoky | it better to find more,then too less.. |
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| 22:57:11 | Llorean | Another thing it'll help prevent, is accidentally installing the wrong build on a device. |
| 22:57:28 | domonoky | with our different detection methods, we could also assign a "liklyhood" of the result. but i thought that would be overkill.. |
| 22:57:37 | * | Llorean has too many times forgotten to reset his configuration, and installed an iPod Nano build on his Gigabeat F, because he forgot he updated his Nano recently |
| 22:58:05 | domonoky | rbutil, does already complain about that.. |
| 22:58:17 | Llorean | Hm |
| 22:58:23 | domonoky | at least svn, dont know if it made it into the last release... |
| 22:58:25 | Llorean | Clearly I haven't messed up since my last upgrade of RButil then. |
| 22:58:36 | Llorean | It may be in 1.0.7, I haven't done it in a few months. |
| 22:58:57 | domonoky | before installing it checks if the rockbox-info.txt matches you config, and complains if they are different.. |
| 22:59:15 | * | bluebrother suggests a compile-time switch to enable local hdd support ;-) |
| 22:59:55 | Llorean | bluebrother: I'd think displaying them after the "real" devices, and possibly in italics or otherwise visually distinguished (with a note somewhere else on screen as to what it means) would also work |
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| 23:00:08 | domonoky | the problem is to integrate such a "local hd detection" into the detection system.. |
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| 23:00:41 | bluebrother | the main problem is someone to find the time ;-) |
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| 23:01:41 | domonoky | Llorean: if you write a method to get the HD -> USB-Id relation on all three OS, i would try to integrate it :-) |
| 23:02:15 | * | bluebrother would prefer USB -> HD resolving ;-) |
| 23:02:31 | domonoky | the way doesnt really matter... |
| 23:03:07 | domonoky | but we dont have this, especially not for all three supported OS.... sadly. |
| 23:03:18 | bluebrother | true, but we need that way for detection |
| 23:03:46 | domonoky | bluebrother: you could always iterate over the HDs and map it this way.. |
| 23:05:45 | bluebrother | we're already doing this for UNC -> drive letter |
| 23:06:21 | domonoky | so the best we get at moment is to list all detected device.. maybe the presentation could be improved.. one target with multiple mountpoints (drop down perhaps) ? |
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| 23:06:21 | bluebrother | while it works I somewhat dislike that it's somewhat inefficient −− but better than no resolving at all |
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| 23:09:52 | gevaerts | bluebrother: If you plug in a USB storage device, you'll get (e.g.) /sys/block/sdb. In there there is a "device" symlink, and if you get the target path from that you can extract usb bus number and device id, the same as shown by lsusb |
| 23:10:12 | gevaerts | You can probably also go the other way. It's a bit of a maze |
| 23:12:57 | gevaerts | You may be able to get more help via the linux usb people, at http://www.linux-usb.org/mailing.html |
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| 23:35:21 | gevaerts | \o/ |
| 23:35:44 | * | gevaerts decides that he is less of an idiot today than he was yesterday |
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| 23:36:16 | Llorean | It's working now? |
| 23:36:24 | gevaerts | yes |
| 23:36:32 | Llorean | Congrats |
| 23:36:56 | gevaerts | If you format an 8mb filesystem as FAT16, you need to make sure the number of sectors per cluster is small enough |
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