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#rockbox log for 2008-11-21

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00:31:17*gevaerts can't get multi-driver storage to work on sansa :(
00:31:49gevaertsThere must still be a hidden "2-drive-max" assumption somewhere
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01:03:31PurityOfEssencei wanted to comment that the version of rockboxutility described as 32 bit worked on my 64 bit
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01:51:45Xydenhello all, I've built voicefiles using cygwin, and it builds them incorrectly, a lot of my menu options are very screwed up.
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01:53:40Xydenalso, it does not use my default voice in my control pannel... It is selecting some british voice I think.
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02:05:07Xydenanyone in here create their own .voice files?
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02:33:37Xydenanyone in here work with rb .voice files?
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05:58:21Xydenanyone in here who builds voice files?
05:58:44LloreanDid you have a specific question?
05:59:06XydenI'm using cygwin to build them from the source that I got from svn trunk
05:59:13Unhelpfulyou should probably ask that, then. and be *patient*, somebody who can answer it might not be around when you ask.
05:59:55Xydenwhen I build the english.voice file, 2 things are happening, 1. the voice is not set to that in my windows control pannel, and 2. a a lot of the speaking prompts are messed up, like for batter status it says buffer size etc.
06:00:12LloreanXyden: Have you edited the script to choose what voice it needs to use?
06:00:26XydenI didn't know I had to do that when in cygwin
06:00:30LloreanAnd, is the SVN revision of the source you're building voices against EXACTLY the same as the SVN revision installed on your player?
06:00:59LloreanWell, the voice version has to match the installed Rockbox version.
06:01:04XydenI will build a rockbox for my ipod
06:01:15Xydenand rebuild a matching voice file.
06:01:26Xydenbut about the voice difference?
06:01:34LloreanThat's what causes the voice difference...
06:01:42Xydenwhat do I edit to have the ../tools/configure recognize my neospeech voice?
06:01:53LloreanIs Neospeech SAPI4 or SAPI5?
06:02:20XydenI was told that if I set neospeech in windows control that it would use that, but its not the case.
06:02:31LloreanI'm not certain. I believe the script that makes the voices is in the /tools folder.
06:02:41Xydenits using of one of the realspeak voices that are not set as my default.
06:02:55Xydenalright, I will look into this.
06:02:56LloreanI *think* it's supposed to use the default voice, but this seems not to be the case.
06:03:05LloreanIf you use RButil, it should use the default voice.
06:03:14Xydenrbutil isn't accessible.
06:03:28XydenI'm blind, and the interface doesn't read for my screen reader.
06:03:43Xydenthats a whole nother can of warms that I'm trying to work on.
06:06:37XydenI'll look at the script in the tools dir.
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07:51:31amiconnLlorean: 'make voice' is not supposed to use the default voice. It is supposed to use the first available voice for the chosen language, unless you specify the voice to use in configure (sapi options)
07:52:09Lloreanamiconn: Thanks.
07:52:20LloreanMaybe it should use the default voice, rather than the first available, then?
07:52:28LloreanIf that's possible.
07:52:32*Llorean knows far too little about this
07:52:41amiconnIt can't, since the default is only for a single, unpredictable language
07:52:53Unhelpfulcan it find out what that language is? ;/
07:53:34amiconnE.g. you can have the default set to English, but chose to build a German voice file.
07:54:18Unhelpfulamiconn: right, but could it use your default voice IFF that voice is in the language you're buildng, and fall back to the first-available logic otherwise?
07:54:29Lloreanis it possible to just list available voices for that language and always prompt then?
07:54:49amiconnThe script always tries to set a voice, after filtering the available ones against the selected language (at least).
07:55:07amiconnThat would be annoying
07:55:19LloreanHow so?
07:55:25LloreanIt's just like picking a target to compile for.
07:55:28amiconnJust use /voice:MyVoice when configuring
07:55:53LloreanWhy don't the people who know how it works do that, and the people who don't know get told they need to pick from a list?
07:55:54amiconnIf the name contains spaces, the whole thing needs single quotes
07:56:17Lloreanthe problem isn't people who know about switches like that, it's the normal users who don't know what to expect.
07:56:50amiconn*If* we want to present a list to choose from, it should be done in configure, and then we need another vbscript, which nobody has written
07:57:12LloreanSorry, I was meaning it should be in configure, I guess I didn't make that clear.
08:00:58amiconnThis script would need to check which voices are available for the chosen language, and then either present the list itself and return the choice, or return the list of available voices and let configure process it. There's also the possibility that no voices are available
08:01:32amiconnFurther complexity is introduced by the sapi4/sapi4 alternatives
08:01:41amiconnErr, sapi4/sapi5
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08:41:38amiconnActually sapi_voice.vbs already has an option to list available voices for a language. It does all stdin/stdout communication in utf16le though. I have no idea whether shell scripting could handle that...
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09:39:46Cristatusi have a ipod photo, and an itrip
09:39:57Cristatusi was wondering if it's possible to get my itrip to work with my rock box
09:42:56ZagorCristatus: not if it's the version that requires the ipod to set the frequency
09:43:27Zagorunless you can set it in the apple firmware and it remembers when you reboot
09:43:33Cristatusi think it may
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09:43:38Zagortry it
09:43:48Cristatusi was just going to say: i could just boot into the ipod firmware, and use it
09:43:56Cristatushow do i boot into the apple firmware
09:44:30ZagorI don't remember, I don't have an ipod. :-) anyone else?
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09:45:31B4gderI think the manual tells
09:45:51GodEaterturn the hold switch on immediately after you power up, or hold menu.
09:46:34Cristatusthank GodEater
09:46:41Cristatusand to get back, i do the same thing?
09:46:58GodEaterno, to get back you hold Menu+Select to reboot
09:47:08GodEaterand then just leave your ipod alone till it's running Rockbox again
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09:47:41Cristatushow do i get back into the apple firmware from the rockbox
09:47:47Cristatusis that possible without shuttinn down?
09:48:03GodEateryou have to shut down
09:48:20Cristatusi just checked
09:48:20Cristatusit is
09:48:30Cristatusyou just flip the hold switch when the apple logo comes on
09:48:32Cristatusthanks guys
09:48:45GodEaterisn't that what I just said ?
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09:49:06GodEaterpretty sure it is
09:49:11Cristatusyou said it wasn't possible to get back into apple without a shutdown
09:49:16GodEaterand it isn't
09:49:23Cristatusi just checked, and it is
09:49:24GodEateryou don't see the apple logo unless you've shutdown
09:49:31Cristatusunless my eyes are deceiving me
09:49:34Cristatusi dno
09:49:37Cristatusi got back into it
09:49:39Cristatusoh well
09:49:47Cristatusbtw, it's an ipod photo
09:49:58Cristatusanyhoo, gtg
09:49:59Cristatusthanks guys
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10:32:21pixelmathe 10 latest wiki changes include some weird user names...
10:36:45*Zagor goes cleaning
10:47:29*kugel points Zagor to FS #9566
10:48:54Zagorbsd never fails to amaze me
10:53:09B4gderwell, in this case you're using a gnu extension
10:55:21Zagoris it really? + is included in my posix regex manpage.
10:55:58Zagor"Obsolete ("basic") regular expressions differ in several respects. '|', '+', and '?' are ordinary characters and there is no equivalent for their functionality."
10:56:27ZagorPOSIX.2, section 2.8 (Regular Expression Notation).
10:57:08Zagor" Obsolete REs mostly exist for backward compatibility in some old programs" - such as bsd :)
10:58:00B4gderI would expect to find them in other *nixes too
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11:34:20pondlifejhMikeS: Are you ok with kugel's software-backlight-fade patch? Or does it need more work?
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11:55:08jhMikeSpondlife: I think I was ok there. He made room for the S to use hardware?
11:55:36pondlifeI was unsure whether he was still sending too many messages
12:07:41jhMikeSI think he changed it avoid that
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12:11:31BdN3504Hey in the new calender plugin, what does "one off" stand for? In the manual it's not explained... i guess it's a single event but the description "one off" is malevoelnt in this content. maybe we could change it to "unique event" or something alike?
12:11:58BdN3504*replace content with context*
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12:12:44n1syes, it's a single event, meh
12:12:49*Llorean didn't even get to ask him why he thinks it's "malevolent"
12:13:08n1sshouldn't it be "one of" though?
12:13:18LloreanIt's a figure of speech.
12:13:57LloreanBut it's definitely not ideal.
12:15:07Unhelpfulperhaps repeating->(daily/weekly/monthly/anually/never)?
12:16:23LloreanOr just "Occurs: once/daily/weekly/monthly/annually"
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12:16:36LloreanIf you want it to happen once, you probably don't look at an option that says "repeating"
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12:17:50Unhelpfulmake "never" the default, then you'll look at the list if you want it to repeat. or there might be a better way that i'm not thinking of.
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12:19:59LloreanI was more just curious if he was just using malevolent and meant "bad", or if he comes from a culture or region where "one-off" actually has some sort of evil meaning.
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12:22:00Unhelpfuli can see how somebody who's not a native speaker might think that "malevolent" was the word to use, except that i can't imagine somebody learning the language in that context would've heard that word without having already learned "bad" or even "inappropriate"
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12:24:02Zagorit's not that strange, I'd say. could be a mixup with "malplaced" for instance.
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12:24:47Zagoror wait, that doesn't exist in english does it? ;)
12:25:44Unhelpfulmisplaced? :P
12:26:18Zagorwell it's not quite the same meaning. but this is getting offtopic...
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12:51:28amiconnBagder/ Zagor: Will you repair the binsize table any time soonish?
12:52:57Zagorthe table is working, in the meaning that it is showing the numbers reported to it. I haven't investigated what causes those numbers though.
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12:55:09*amiconn wouldn't call that "working"
12:55:49Zagoreven so, the table is working just as well as it has for months
12:57:14amiconnThe jumping targets are exactly those which have rombox....
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13:00:39pixelmajumping targets
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13:55:25n1sZagor: the various *.make files are missing svn props (and functions.make has svn:mergeinfo set (but empty) which i don't know what it does)
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14:11:38linuxstbZagor: Do you know why make doesn't display the usual "make: Nothing to be done" message when nothing needs to be done? It's a bit disconcerting to get no output...
14:12:18Zagorno I don't.
14:12:26linuxstbAh, it seems it is always running, even when nothing has changed (make V=1)
14:13:28Zagorthat's siilly
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14:19:23Nico_PZagor: is the dependency generation something that make does, or is it in the Makefiles?
14:19:57Zagorit's in the makefiles. make.root calls function mkdepfile. the function itself is in functions.make
14:20:10ZagorI'm looking at a way to speed that up
14:20:36Zagorroot.make even
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14:22:21Zagorif we add some post processing to the output, we should be able to get away with a single call to gcc instead of one call per file.
14:23:12Nico_Pisn't make capable of computing dependencies by looking at the files?
14:23:33Zagorno, make is content agnostic. only gcc understands the c syntax.
14:23:43Zagormake only understands file timestamps
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14:32:10kugelNico_P: you said you don't have a target which can use my backlight fade. Which targets you have (they need adjustable backlight brightness) so I could adapt them?
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14:37:46Zagorfrom 19 to 15 seconds. still a long time, but better. now lets see how it does in cygwin
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14:42:04ringo999hi folks, i just tried to install rockbox on my 80gb video ipod 5.5G. when booting i get "can't load rockbox.ipod" File not found error. any idea?AAAAA
14:42:19ringo999is it something wrong with the bootloader?
14:42:24funmanringo999: perhaps you only installed the bootloader ?
14:43:33funmanyesterday there was a discussion on irc about strange ipod disk partitioning
14:44:06ringo999im pretty sure i installed it, tried manual and automatic, .rockbox folder exists...
14:44:51ringo999is there anything else I can check/do?
14:45:06Zagordo you have a rockbox.ipod file?
14:45:36Nico_Pkugel: currently, I have a beast, an iPod video and a sansa e200
14:45:47ringo999Zagor: yes I do
14:45:56ringo999in .rockbox folder
14:45:57Zagorbigger difference in cygwin: 1:43 versus 2:33
14:46:38Zagorthis means slow fork is only part of the reason for cygwins slowness
14:48:14Zagorthe new dependency generation forks a total of three times
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14:48:45ringo999funman: well, im reading the log, but i cant really find the solution....
14:49:45funmanringo999: i'm not sure there was a solution found :/
14:50:05*linuxstb pings gevaerts to find out
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14:50:58ringo999i really hope it will be fixed... im tired of applemania...
14:51:44ringo999i was looking into ipodlinux all the time and finally yesterday i found rockbox ;-)
14:51:58ringo999looking forward to when it works again...
14:53:27linuxstbringo999: Unless I'm misunderstanding, this isn't a new problem, just something that happens to a very small number of people.
14:54:36ringo999any suggestions what else I could try doing? just sit and wait and pray?
14:54:54n1sisn't it that our ata driver has to guess the sectorsize and makes a wrong guess if you have something resembling a MBR in the right (or wrong) place?
14:55:55n1sit should be fixable with some dd magic, but i don't know much about this so will leave the details to someone that does...
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14:56:35ringo999nls: so should i hopen another thread in the forum? and who is the dd magician?
14:57:35n1sringo999: i would ask gevaerts or amiconn, they seem to know this stuff, not sure they read the forum much so you are probably better off trying to catch them in here,
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14:59:26ZagorI can't find a bug filed for this. Please create one so we can keep relevant information in one place.
14:59:32kugelNico_P: the ipod fades?
14:59:34Zagor(that was to ringo999)
14:59:38ringo999Zagor: yep
14:59:43ringo999Zagor: will do
15:03:01gevaertsringo999: what OS are you using? (so I can make some assumptions about tools you can use for diagnostics)
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15:04:50linuxstbgevaerts: Is this a new bug, or has this code always been the same?
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15:05:52gevaertslinuxstb: the code has changed since I first heard of this, but I think the same issue still exists (i.e. a valid FAT superblock at the 512-byte-based offset)
15:05:55funmandomonoky: the DMA / SD code doesn't work in the bootloader :'(
15:06:42domonokymaybe some inits are not in the bootloader ? perhaps something with interrupts ?
15:07:02funmanI checked both
15:07:23linuxstbAre interrupts enabled in the as3525 bootloader now?
15:07:43funmanyes, since the previous SD code used kernel ticks
15:07:54ringo999gevaerts: debian
15:07:59funmannot sure where, since they were disabled in system-as3525.c
15:08:04ringo999just filed the bug
15:08:19funmanin bootloader/sansa_as3525.c
15:09:24gevaertsringo999: can you put the output of sfdisk -l /dev/sd<whatever> on a pastebin somewhere? (replace <whatever> with the correct device of course)
15:09:37Zagoror in the bug report
15:09:51gevaertsAh yes. That's a good place for it :)
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15:12:08ringo999gevaerts: when i try this sudo sfdisk -l /dev/disk/by-label/IPOD i get "Warning: start=257040 - this looks like a partition rather than
15:12:15ringo999the entire disk.
15:12:36funmanringo999: because IPOD is your partition
15:12:38gevaertsNot surprising :) That is the data partition
15:12:45ringo999yeah sorry
15:12:51funmanbetter do ls -l to find the real device, and run sfdisk on the device
15:12:52ringo999im still quite new to linux
15:13:11ringo999i never understood how to find the device
15:13:40funman"mount | grep IPOD" might help
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15:16:00ringo999funman: that helped, but i still get the same warning
15:16:06ringo999should I force it?
15:16:38gevaertsringo999: You need something like /dev/sdb, not /dev/sdb1
15:16:40linuxstbringo999: What device name are you using? Remove any numbers from the end. e.g. if /dev/sdb2 is mounted, you use /dev/sdb with sfdisk
15:18:27ringo999done (sorry for the inconvenience, im still in learning mode9
15:19:23gevaertsringo999: Can you run "cat /sys/block/sdc/sdc1/start" and "cat /sys/block/sdc/sdc2/start", and give the numbers that come out?
15:20:30ringo999252 and 257040
15:20:39ringo999gevaerts: unforunately I got to go offline now. I will be back later on though. Also filed a bug. Will be happy to support debugging...
15:20:52gevaertsOK. I'll drop some questions in the bug report then
15:21:39ringo999question: how do i turn ipod of that is in disk mode?
15:22:19funmanI verified that no errors occur in the DMA transfer (DMAC_INT_ERROR_STATUS register)
15:22:43kugeljhMikeS: ping
15:23:48linuxstbringo999: Reset it - hold MENU+SELECT
15:25:15domonokyfunman: so no interrupt from the DMAC occurs in the bootloader
15:25:57funmanyes they do, else the SD driver would be stuck in "while(!dma_finished)" but only terminal count interrupt. (and I defined dma_finished as a volatile also)
15:26:30domonokyso the terminal count interrupt comes, but the data is not correct ?
15:26:46funmanthat's it . but i forgot to enable error interrupts .. let's check
15:27:24ringo999linuxstb: yeah, then i get the boot at error but it wont switch off
15:27:27gevaertsringo999: I added some questions to your bug report.
15:27:42ringo999gevaerts: ok, ill get back to it asap
15:27:50linuxstbringo999: You can start the Apple firmware - turn on the hold switch immediately after resetting
15:28:18funmanbit 14 of channel cX configuration set, still no error
15:28:32funmani get a varying checksum at each boot
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15:29:43ringo999linuxstb: cheers!
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15:34:53funmanthe first bytes are well transfered since I can see the correct checksum (specified in the first 4 bytes of the rockbox.sansa file)
15:35:44kugellinuxstb: is anything holding back?
15:36:47funmanand since it finds the file at all, it means the FAT32 bits are read correctly as well ..
15:39:04Zagorkugel: what is the gain of changing it in the bootloader? surely #9567 is a lot more useful?
15:42:04kugelZagor: I don't know. It just doesn't make sense to me that this #define isn't used in there
15:42:31kugelZagor: also those 2 would go together nicely
15:43:43ZagorI agree
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15:44:39kugelmy patch doesn't intend to make the boot dir configurable with configure. It simply puts the symbol in there, so that if -ever - anyone wants to change it (in the target config OR with #9567 maybe with configure) does only need to change BOOTDIR and not both BOOTDIR and common.c (and probably other files as well)
15:46:43kugelnice to see though that this guy uses my parse_args "api"
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15:49:07kugelZagor: with his patch the rockbox binary will still look into .rockbox when installed or am I wrong here?
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15:49:17kugele.g. for the config file
15:49:41Zagorno it should look for everything in the configured directory
15:50:13kugelah yea I see
15:50:39kugelZagor: imho it should #undef BOOTDIR and define a new one if the parameter is given
15:50:55kugeland settings.h should do #define ROCKBOX_DIR BOOTDIR
15:51:15ZagorI think BOOTDIR and ROCKBOX_DIR are two different things
15:51:31kugelwell depends on what you build
15:51:32ZagorBOOTDIR is for the bootloader. where to load the firmware file.
15:51:49ZagorROCKBOX_DIR is for the rockbox binary. where to look for config files, wps etc.
15:51:53kugelbut as you build bootloader and main build seperately you can use BOOTDIR for either
15:52:22Zagoryes but calling it BOOTDIR is confusing when in fact it doesn't boot into it
15:52:29Zagor(when you build the application)
15:52:37kugelI mean, so this could be easily adapted to also allow a different bootdir
15:53:07kugelzagor that's why #define ROCKBOX_DIR BOOTDIR, so that it'll be ROCKBOX_DIR for non-bootloader stuff
15:53:17kugeland not confusing
15:53:54kugelif it'd redefine bootdir it would be very easy to also let the bootdir be configurable
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15:56:39funmanoh it's Duvel time
15:56:51kugelbtw, /me thinks rockbox should avoid to be hardcoded to "./rockbox" too much, just like windows shouldn't be hardcoded to C:\Windows
15:57:06kugelunless the gains of that simplification are immense that is
15:57:34Zagoryou mean using a variable instead of a compile-time constant?
15:57:45kugelno, compile time
15:57:50Zagorthen I agree
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16:01:21pondlifekugel: Do you think FS #6800 is ready for commit?
16:01:34kugelZagor: apropos compile time. Why does load_firmware even have the filename argument (for the name of the firmware file)? that's also a compile time constant
16:01:43pondlife(and do you have anyone else interested in committing it?)
16:01:45kugelpondlife: not yet
16:01:57kugelpondlife: other than me, no :P
16:01:59pondlifeOK, what's to be done?
16:02:13Zagorkugel: I don't think there is a reason
16:02:15pondlifekugel: I didn't see your name in COMMITTERS ;p
16:02:32kugelpondlife: Yea, me neither
16:02:53kugelI wanted to look into factoring some code from backlight.c into the dedicated file first
16:03:12pondlifeI'll keep watching Flyspray...
16:03:43kugelpondlife: have you tried my latest patch on the tracker? I've adjusted the fading interval to be more dependent on the number of the available brightness levels
16:03:52kugelshould be a bit faster for h300
16:03:54pondlifeI'm not sure :/
16:04:01pondlifeWill try tonight, hopefully
16:05:45kugelpondlife: try that please. I've heard the backlight controller is rather slow, so even a slight reduction of the interval time may result in a noticeable weirdness
16:05:54kugelthe one in the h300
16:06:00pondlifeWill do
16:09:51kugelZagor: if there's no reason (and I doubt there is one too), it would make more sense to remove that argument and let load_firmware just use BOOTFILE
16:10:03Zagorkugel: yes
16:10:40kugelZagor: ah, ipod uses it to load "apple_os.ipod"
16:11:34n1skugel: isn't that used for rolo?
16:12:07kugeln1s: I thought that too at first, but a grep "load_firmware" rolo.c said no
16:12:40funmanload_firmware() is only implemented in the bootloader (in bootloader/)
16:13:27*LambdaCalculus37 notices something a little odd on
16:13:57LambdaCalculus37Since when did the GoGear HDD160X0 and HDD63X0 have sound output?
16:14:40kugelLambdaCalculus37: maybe history tells you (unless you're doubting that's true at all)
16:16:51kugelZagor: many reds
16:17:28LambdaCalculus37kugel: I am doubting that it's true. No commits, no "We have sound" mail, nothing in IRC...
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16:25:34kugelanyone with an X5 here?
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16:31:33kugelthe x5 apparently has pwm but doesn't use pwm fading
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16:42:09funmangevaerts: is it possible to setup a serial protocol with the USB controllers of some targets (not the targets with ATA-USB bridge at least), in order to control rockbox with gdb ?
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16:42:35Zagorfunman: yes
16:42:40gevaertsfunman: possibly. I have no idea of what gdb needs exactly
16:43:21Zagorthe gdb stub is apparently a piece of work to do though. linusn wrote one for the old archoses.
16:43:42gevaertsYou do need a USB controller with known specs though, so you'll have to switch to the meizu ;)
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16:48:51wikkii've been trying to figure out some stuff on rockbox.
16:49:13wikkiI have a lot of compilations and a lot of artists that I really don't care to have show up in the main artists list
16:49:42funmanwikki: you can remove the tags from these files
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16:50:20wikkiI wonder how the ipod software handles that
16:50:39wikkiI think they must have some special tags in their database
16:50:57wikkiamarok handles it well too
16:51:35funmanwikki: i'm not sure what you mean, you have tagged files that you don't want to see in the tags list ?
16:52:09wikkisay I have 10 compilations, each with 10 songs with 10 different artists
16:52:12wikkithat's 100 artists
16:52:23wikkiI also have 10 other single album artists
16:52:47funmanare those mp3 with id3v2 tags?
16:53:01wikkiso in the apple firmware when I go to artists I only see the 10
16:53:28funmanperhaps amarok/ipod OS use folder or album sorting?
16:53:28wikkibecause apple some how understands that those other 100 are in compilations
16:54:20funmanI have the same problem with compilations, but my solution is "if you don't want to see the artist, don't tag it" :)
16:54:35Zagorfunman: well you do want to see it when you play the track
16:54:40wikkiyes :)
16:55:24funmaniirc vorbis has a ALBUMARTIST tag, or maybe it is musicbrainz .. I think sorting using this tag would solve that problem?
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16:59:22kugelwikki: album artist seems appropriate
17:00:06kugelyou tag your compilations with "various artists" or something like that as album artist. all compilations will pop up under "various artists" in the album artist subtree
17:00:26kugelnote that if you
17:00:58kugelyou're using mp3, there's no official album artist field. the convention is to use ensemble (rockbox will read that)
17:01:12funmandomonoky: (please transmit to him) I couldn't see what was wrong with DMA in the sansa ams bootloader, I pasted my diff on the forum; hopefully i'll have some time to work on it next week
17:01:17*kugel hopes he wasn't too late on that topic
17:01:25wikkii've seen the albumartist
17:01:31wikkithat's not in id3?
17:01:54kugelalbum artist isn't an official id3 tag, no
17:02:39kugelbut you can use the ensemble field. about every app puts that under their respective album artist nodes
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17:03:13gevaertsWhat if you use the ensemble field for the ensemble though?
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17:04:09kugelthen you're screwed :) you're ensemble will be in album artist then. It's just a convention, probably because album artist is more wanted than ensemble
17:04:19gevaertsIs it?
17:05:03kugelI'd think so
17:05:21krazykiti'd think it would be easier to simply use a sane directory structure :)
17:08:58wikkimaybe i'll just stick with the ipod firmware :)
17:09:08wikkiI don't really have a reason to use rockbox
17:12:54pondlifekugel: FS #6800 latest patch seems ok on H300
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17:20:25pondlifekugel: Ah, no - see bug report at
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17:30:46kugelpondlife: can you reproduce that on the previous patch? i cannot reproduce it on the sansa
17:31:22kugelpondlife: or wait
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17:31:58pondlifeSet fade In to Off, and Fade Out to On, then set max brightness..
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17:33:09kugelsee my latest comment
17:33:20kugelI did that
17:34:16stsquad2Are all the firmware/export/config-* header files only relevant to the bootloader code?
17:34:35kugelstsquad2: yes
17:35:13Lloreankugel: He/she did say *only* relevant to the bootloader code.
17:35:27kugeloh sorry, then no
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17:36:14kugelstsquad2: ah, I misread. It's relevant to both bootloader and normal code (and more)
17:36:34*stsquad2 is trying to make sure the BOOTDIR is not synonymous with ROCKBOX_DIR
17:37:02kugelstsquad2: it is actually, even though BOOTDIR is rather meant for the bootloader
17:37:27kugelstsquad2: are you the guy that made
17:39:07stsquad2kugel: yes - sorry, different nick on irc
17:40:45kugelstsquad2: any chance you read the logs? I had a small talk with Zagor about your patch
17:41:42kugelstsquad2: I proposed you redefine the BOOTDIR symbol (which is located in config-*.h) with the parameter from −−rbdir
17:41:57*stsquad2 looks
17:42:04kugelstsquad2: and in settings.h you would do #define ROCKBOX_DIR BOOTDIR
17:42:28kugelthis way it can easily adapted to other types of builds
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17:44:47ringo999gevaerts: im back and I have uploaded the dump files...
17:45:33stsquad2hmmm, not many places seem to use BOOTDIR anyway....
17:45:52*stsquad2 reads apps/misc.c
17:45:57kugelstsquad2: yes, but that should change (see also
17:47:50kugelpondlife: ping me if you are able to test the new version today'ish
17:48:07pondlifeWork is having a mad moment... ;)
17:48:57kugelno worries. We have time and don't need to rush. I'm just happy if it's going it (ignoring the when)
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17:49:57stsquad2Hmmm. I'm not sure of the value of tying the bootloader code to the main app with config. The original point of my patch was to have a failsafe reset to known good code (Boot->/.rockbox) while allowing easy testing of the main build (Rockbox->Alternate Rockbox). This may make it easier to get confused with bootloaders?
17:50:48kugelstsquad2: you don't touch real bootloader code
17:51:13kugelas of now, the bootloader doesn't even use BOOTDIR
17:52:24kugelstsquad2: if you redefine BOOTDIR and we focus on using BOOTDIR instead of hardcoded "/.rockbox/"es, then your patch will be protable and consistent over build types
17:53:00kugelportable even
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17:54:02*stsquad2 wonders why code using BOOTDIR doesn't just ROCKBOX_DIR instead?
17:54:09kugelgood question
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17:58:24stsquad2As I understand the existing code that refers to bootfile is it runs in USB mode and monitors the ~/.rockbox/rockbox.x file for time/date chnage and auto kicks in ROLO if it's updated. I assume this is for platforms that can run USB while in Rockbox.
17:58:45*stsquad2 ponders the implication
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18:01:43kugelstsquad2: don't read too much out of existing code in this case. As it has being said, rockbox is quite hardcoded to "./.rockbox", so you won't find much reference to BOOTFILE or BOOTDIR
18:02:28kugeland as obo said in the comments, that should change
18:02:37stsquad2true, but hopefully I've removed all the other places with hardcoding for this particular path now
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18:03:34kugelstsquad2: if you like you can include my patch too it does that what obo wants, just for other files
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18:03:58Lloreanstsquad2: Yes, on players where USB can be used in Rockbox, if the file you booted from changed it will report this and prompt you to automatically reboot with ROLO
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18:05:40pixelmasome targets also expect their firmware file in the root (not sure how that's called in the code though)
18:05:54pixelmanot in .rockbox
18:06:07LloreanYeah, but that won't affect "secondary" firmware files.
18:06:10kugelpixelma: that's covered by load_firmware
18:06:28kugel(as long as the bootloader is concerned)
18:06:31pixelmajust want to be sure it's not forgotten
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18:07:22stsquad2kugel: To be honest I'd rather just push through the current patch and revisit the issue of BOOT_DIR later when I have a better idea of what the difference should be.
18:07:43kugelstsquad2: why should there be a difference?
18:08:09kugelit's the same thing. Only the context is another one
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18:10:18stsquad2kugel: I'm not so familiar with the code and I'm wary of assumptions associated with synonymous symbols and altering contexts. Let me read through a bit...
18:12:55kugelstsquad2: I didn't make a assumption. But understand your point of view
18:13:18*gevaerts is confused
18:13:50kugelgevaerts: why?
18:14:30gevaertsringo999: can you try 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc bs=512 seek=257040 count=1' ?
18:15:07stsquad2kugel: no problem. I'm a pretty defensive programmer used to thinking about how shared code bases get used.... bitter experience I guess :-)
18:15:23gevaertskugel: I can't find a fat filesystem where I expect it in the dumps at FS #9568
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18:18:00kugelstsquad2: no problem. If you feel uncomfortable I might just jump in and do it
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18:19:07stsquad2kugel: ok, probably best until I get more comfortable with the code
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18:31:38ringo999gevaerts: done, what should that have done?
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18:32:15ringo999gevaerts: information do you need?
18:32:38gevaertsringo999: there is (was) a FAT superblock at 257040 512-byte sectors into the file, which if I understand things correctly shouldn't be there (that was dump3.bin)
18:32:57gevaertsThis last dd command has zeroed that out, so if my theory is correct this should fix the issue
18:33:49ringo999gevaerts: so should i try to reboot yeah?
18:34:55ringo999gevaerts: no sorry, didnt work :-(
18:35:29gevaertsok. In that case, 'dd if=dump3.bin of=/dev/sdc bs=512 seek=257040 count=1' to put things back as they were
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18:35:38*gevaerts doesn't understand this bug
18:37:12gevaertsringo999: can you run 'dd if=/dev/sdc of=dump6.bin bs=1024 count=1 skip=257040' as well, and attach dump6.bin to the bug report?
18:37:57*amiconn was finally able to measure ape -c5000 speed on PP5022
18:38:14amiconn(by making a MiniG2 build without low bat shutdown)
18:39:00gevaertsHow long did it take?
18:39:57ringo999gevaerts: done
18:40:01amiconnSlightly more than an hour
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18:40:45amiconngevaerts: Btw, the Gigabeat F performance figures aren't up to date... (only slight differences expected though)
18:40:46LambdaCalculus37That's a long time indeed. :)
18:40:57gevaertsamiconn: understood :)
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18:41:50n1samiconn: maybe you could use a shorter track? :)
18:43:24amiconnIt would make the new figures not (exactly) comparable to the old ones
18:43:55amiconnLambdaCalculus37: Still (a bit) more than twice as fast as PP5002 and PP5020 (due to IRAM usage)
18:44:43gevaertsringo999: can you run "dmesg |grep 'sdc.*sectors'" (with the single quotes, but without the double quotes)?
18:44:46amiconngevaerts: Results for -c1000 and -c3000 shouldn't have changed
18:45:42*amiconn wonders how he managed to make 'gmake' (reproducably) segfault :\
18:46:05n1samiconn: yes, but i get bored by benching midis in realtime
18:46:34gevaertsn1s: with these benchmarks you need more than one player :)
18:46:39ringo999gevaerts: pastbin?
18:46:49gevaertsringo999: yes
18:47:32LambdaCalculus37amiconn: Will you be posting results for -c5000 on PP5022 to the wiki soon?
18:47:38*LambdaCalculus37 is quite curious as to the results
18:47:44*amiconn wonders whether a cluster of rockbox targets would be able to decode ape -c5000 realtime ;)
18:47:50amiconnLambdaCalculus37: I already did...
18:47:58*n1s guesses not realtime :)
18:48:08LambdaCalculus37amiconn: We should try that out during DevCon2009. ;)
18:48:22kugelI see, the next tower of rockbox will actually be usefull :)
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18:48:29n1samiconn: we need some sort of usb networking then!
18:49:29n1s(or a slightly overclocked beast)
18:49:46*amiconn wonders whether there's a #define somewhere that allows to build a beast build with 532MHz cpu clock
18:49:48kugelsomone with an x5 here? I wonder why it doesn't use pwm fading
18:50:02*amiconn should check whether performance changes linearly
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18:50:56amiconnkugel: It can't.
18:51:11n1samiconn: i tried messing with the clock a while ago, and changing the clock for the whole mcu worked fine but that means everything runs from that clock then, chnging just the core speed just froze for me
18:51:40amiconnSoftware PWM backlight fading is only possible if (a) the backlight is GPIO controlled, and (b) it's dimmable, i.e. LED backlight
18:52:00amiconnX5 doesn't meet (a)
18:52:29kugelah ok
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18:52:56kugelbut it's certainly a possible target for my software fading patch. Is anyone available for testing?
18:53:03amiconnH1x0 remote and archos Ondio don't meet (b) (they have EL backlight)
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18:53:27amiconnThere's even one target that meets (a) and (b) yet cannot fade the backlight
18:53:56kugelamiconn: meeting b also means the brightness is adjustable correct?
18:54:35kugelso every target that meets (b) can use my software fade
18:55:04amiconnNo. It means that the backlight can be dimmed by using PWM (hardware or software). EL backlight can be brightness adjusted (by changing the voltage), but it cannot use PWM
18:56:15gevaertsCan someone else have a look at FS #9568? This is an 80GB ipod boot issue, and the data don't make much sense to me
18:56:18amiconnOtoh, brightness adjustment is *not* a precondition for backlight fading. H1x0 and iPod G3, G4, Color, the Minis are examples
18:56:19kugelthe x5 backlight controller appears to be similar to the h300 one, at least for backlight_set_brightness
18:56:49amiconnIt is, it just has fewer steps
18:57:11amiconnAlthough the G4 and Color *should* be able to adjust brightness (via hardware PWM), just nobody figured it out yet
18:57:24ringo999gevaerts: but from what you see, is it formated in the correct way?
18:57:28amiconnAnd it should have pretty fine-grained brightness control...
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18:58:08kugelso who could test my fading on a x5?
18:58:13gevaertsringo999: From what I can see, no. But then if I'm correct, you shouldn't be able to mount this thing at all, so I'm wrong
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18:58:37ringo999gevaerts: well, i could try to reformat it, is that possible from linux?
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18:59:46gevaertsIt is, see However, this seems to happen regularly, and it would be nice to find out what exactly is going on.
18:59:59kugelamiconn: which was the target that meets (a) and (b) and cannot fade?
19:00:14ringo999gevaerts: well, maybe something went wrong during formating?
19:00:15amiconnArchos Player.
19:00:48amiconnIt has LED backlight controlled via GPIO, but no matter how short you make the pulses, it goes full brightness, unless there are no pulses at all
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19:01:02amiconnI think there's a capacitor involved
19:01:42gevaertsringo999: could be. Has it been formatted without itunes?
19:02:08amiconnThe fading code works; I verified it using the red LED instead. Fades perfectly, but that's useless....
19:02:21ringo999gevaerts: yes
19:02:48ringo999gevaerts: from the wiki link you send me: FOR 5.5G USERS using mkfs.vfat often seems to work, but it creates FAT filesystems that the rockbox code doesn't always handle properly, resulting in non-booting ipods
19:03:04kugelamiconn: is the x5 backlight controller as slow as the h300 one?
19:03:14gevaertsringo999: ok. That could explain it :)
19:03:30*kugel just heard the h300 one is slow
19:03:34ringo999gevaerts: so I try to reformat?
19:03:54gevaertsringo999: if you don't have critical data on it, yes
19:05:26gevaertsringo999: for your setup, you'll need /etc/mtools.conf to contain "drive a: file="/dev/sdc2"
19:05:53pondlifekugel: Your latest patch has the same problem :(
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19:22:51gevaertsAs you said, the differences are small :)
19:23:20ringo999gevaerts: ok did it and reinstalled rockbox, however, now i have the reboot loop and the apple "User Itunes to restore" screen... :-(
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19:24:06gevaertsringo999: you probably did something wrong somewhere then
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19:24:49ringo999gevaerts: mmm... well, i can do it again... im quite sure I followed the instructions...
19:25:24gevaertsringo999: I'd suggest doing it again, but where it says "hdparm -z /dev/sdX" unplug the ipod instead, and plug it back in.
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19:29:02ringo999gevaerts: so how can i verify it formated correctly and the firmware and everything worked out before installing rockbox?
19:29:46gevaertsringo999: after the steps in IpodManualRestore you should have a normal non-rockboxed working ipod
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19:31:37ringo999gevaerts: ok i disconnected the ipod and now i see a symbol i have never seen before: its a usb plug i guess...
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19:31:47ringo999gevaerts: is that what its supposed to be like=
19:32:26gevaertsringo999: I don't know. Maybe someone else can help here
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19:34:10ringo999gevaerts: i connected, something loaded...ipod is back to normal!
19:34:18gevaertsGreat :)
19:34:29ringo999so now what? I just to the x installer?
19:34:40gevaertsDid you format with mformat this time?
19:35:10gevaertsOK. Then try rockbox utility
19:35:36ringo999gevaerts: ehm, dont i have to get it in diskmode first?
19:36:05gevaertsEither the Apple firmware, or diskmode. Both should work
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19:38:42ringo999gevaerts: ok i installed, but im back to the "use itunes to restore" :-(
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19:39:00ringo999maybe a manual install would be better
19:39:48PhotoguyIs there anything new about the Cowon D2 port? :)
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19:40:58amiconngevaerts: I'm a bit surprised that the differences on Gigabeat F are even smaller than on PP
19:41:44amiconnHmm, actually not... ARM9 vs. ARM7
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19:44:04ringo999gevaerts: any other ideas on what i could do to get this working? sort of confused now...
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19:45:53Photoguyאני אוהב לאחול!
19:46:40*LambdaCalculus37 smacks Photoguy and reminds him this is an English speaking channel
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19:50:21amiconnLambdaCalculus37: Btw, the fact that Coldfire is faster than PP for decoding APE isn't surprising at all
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19:52:54LambdaCalculus37amiconn: Of course not. :) Although I always did want to know what it is that gives Coldfire an edge over PP.
19:54:59amiconnDecoding APE needs mainly 2 things: (1) division (range decoding, affects all compression levels and (2) lots of multiply-accumulate ops (for the filters, c-2000 and higher)
19:55:27amiconnColdfire has a division instruction (needs 38 cycles), ARM needs a subroutine (~60 cyvles on average)
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19:56:38amiconnColdfire has EMAC, which can use register halves directly, ARMv4 has a rather slow multiplier
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20:05:24gevaertsringo999: I'm not _that_ much of an ipod specialist, so no, I have no idea
20:05:37ringo999i manually installed rockbox now, but it wont boot into it, it only loads the apple one :-(
20:06:10ringo999so weird...
20:08:20LambdaCalculus37Did you try installing with Rockbox Utility?
20:09:09ringo999LambdaCalculus37: yes, several times now
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20:09:26ringo999why doesnt it even boot=
20:09:44gevaertsDid you install the bootloader?
20:10:55ringo999yes of course
20:10:58ringo999i can try it again
20:11:15PhotoguyWhat player is it?
20:12:15LambdaCalculus37It's an iPod.
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20:12:48ringo999oh wow, now it strange!
20:12:58ringo999had to install the bootloader twice
20:13:22ringo999thanks you so much guys!
20:13:37PhotoguyYour Welcome, although I didn't do anything.
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20:14:24gevaertsHave fun with it :)
20:14:54ringo999gevaerts: I totally will! im really happy now
20:15:10PhotoguyYeah, download some photos onto it, and try some videos :)
20:15:37ringo999feels like i just got a new device ;-)
20:16:08LambdaCalculus37Photoguy: Videos are not the greatest on the iPod video due to lack of hardware acceleration support and the larger screen resolution.
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20:18:16ringo999so where do i put music?
20:18:31*ringo999 no i havent read the manual yet ;-)
20:18:56Strife89ringo999: Go read the manual _right now_, then.
20:19:52fmlSo will anybody look at FS #9557? It's a bug, and the right person would be JdGordon (since he introduced it), but I always seem to be here when he's gone.
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20:28:00kugelfml: he's in a very different timezone then you I assume
20:28:34giacomo_chas anyone had any backlight problems with the new "stable" 3.0 release?
20:28:34kugelfml: wasn't linuxstb about to commit it?
20:28:56kugelbacklight problems as in?
20:29:41LambdaCalculus37And with which target?
20:29:45giacomo_cas in, the black light will work for 5 seconds (or whatever the time is set to) and then go off but not come back on from using any of the buttons or click wheel
20:30:05*LambdaCalculus37 figures an iPod, but which one?
20:30:16giacomo_cvideo 30gig
20:30:21fmlkugel: I can't read his mind so can't tell
20:31:38LambdaCalculus37This will be a silly question, but... are you sure the hold switch isn't on?
20:32:20giacomo_cthe buttons work, i can select stuff, but the backlight just doesn't come back on
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20:42:49amiconnn1s: What gain did you get from using likely() and friends?
20:45:23kugelamiconn: he has a nice speed up when he used it in a while
20:45:54kugelI didn't ask him for numbers, sorry
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20:58:37amiconnMeh, one single dependency file is nasty. One single mistake and you have to wait for the whole thing to regenerate (and that isn't even automatic) :(
20:59:39kugelhm I've not experienced that. What mistake to you mean?
21:00:08amiconn#include "helper.h" ==> no rule to make target helper.h needed by blah.c
21:00:15amiconnMust be lib/helper.h now...
21:02:52amiconnZagor also forgot one of the test plugins in svn...
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21:04:04Nico_Pkugel: does your backlight fading patch work on the ipod vide?
21:04:32Nico_Phmm ignore me it already has the fading
21:05:13kugelNico_P: heh
21:05:35kugelit works on your sansa :)
21:05:51amiconnThe Video has both (hardware) backlight control and software PWM fading
21:06:16Nico_Pkugel: I'll give it a try then
21:07:34*kugel still searches for x5 owner
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21:12:08*amiconn wonders whether the likely() stuff will also help some codecs
21:16:08*LambdaCalculus37 has an X5 that's currently out of commission
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21:20:51kugelLambdaCalculus37: haha, I'm just gonna ask you for every test I need. You seem to own every target :p
21:21:55LambdaCalculus37kugel: My X5L has dead batteries. I'm going to be ordering replacements very soon.
21:22:35*Strife89 looks to see if LambdaCalculus37 has done a Tower of Rockbox yet.
21:22:54kugelLambdaCalculus37: how dead. Not even for some minutes alive??
21:23:49LambdaCalculus37kugel: Nope.
21:23:56LambdaCalculus37Strife89: I have to make a new one. ;)
21:24:09kugela second one!
21:24:37LambdaCalculus37kugel: Don't I wish? ;)
21:24:46Strife89LambdaCalculus37: By all means do. :)
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21:29:49kugeljhMikeS: ping
21:29:54*amiconn found the cause for the jumping ramsize reports
21:32:25amiconnA Zagor c&p mistake
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21:37:12kugelLambdaCalculus37: but you still have your charger don't you?
21:37:42kugeli.e. you can run the x5 on a power source
21:40:06LambdaCalculus37kugel: Even with the charger, my X5 doesn't want to work.
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21:46:04kugelLambdaCalculus37: it's sad. I strongly assume I really only need to #define USE_BACKLIGHT_THREAD_FADING to make it work on the x5
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21:46:40kugeli.e. without editing the backlight driver at all
21:46:54kugelgevaerts: you have an x5?
21:48:19kugelwasn't there a wiki page about who owns which target?
21:48:23*gevaerts admits
21:48:50kugelgevaerts: would you please test the fading patch? :)
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21:49:30gevaertsJust the latest from FS #6800?
21:50:11kugelgevaerts: no, wait a minute
21:52:17Strife89kugel: Please pass me the patch, I ended up redownloading the sources (again).
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22:00:24kugelgevaerts: now
22:01:02kugelStrife89: you probably forget to delete backlight-thread-fading.c and.h after reverting the previous version
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22:01:35kugelStrife89: you have to either svn add that 2 files after applying the patch for the first time, or manually delete them after each revert
22:03:33Strife89kugel: That's not why I redownloaded.
22:04:08Strife89I updated SVN (I hadn't grabbed the new backlight patch yet) and tried to make. It stopped on Mikmod relentlessly.
22:06:10Strife89After struggling with it for an hour or two, I just gave up.
22:06:21kugelStrife89: it's located at FS #6800
22:06:58Strife89kugel: Alright, I'll grab it shortly. Thanks. :)
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22:11:29gevaertskugel: it needs to charge a bit first
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22:19:00gevaertskugel: seems to work
22:20:13kugelgevaerts: play a bit around. You might also test the issue I noted in the post
22:21:07kugelother than that: nice! I really only added the #define to config-iaudox5.h without changing the the backlight driver at all :)
22:21:21kugelgevaerts: is it smooth?
22:22:01gevaertsI don't get that. When setting backlight to off, it immediately fades out
22:22:08gevaertsIt looks smooth to me, yes
22:23:37kugelgevaerts: it does? then it's probably e200/c200 only.
22:24:02kugelwhich I can't explain :S
22:25:05kugelgevaerts: would be nice if you could also test on the c200 (iirc you have one). Maybe it's even related to the scroll wheel
22:25:16kugelwhich would be very weird
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22:36:30lasserkugel: i think there's an issue with backlight fading on an e280: If brightness is set to 1 and "fade in" to "yes" the backlight is not coming up when it has faded out correctly. With all other settings of brightness it is running perfect for my eyes.
22:36:35gevaertskugel: on c200 the backlight fades out immediately when I set backlight to "off". However, when I then press "down" (i.e. to On) with fading enabled, the backlight turns on but the LCD itself is off (i.e. black). It needs anoher keypress to get the image back
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22:38:54*Nico_P got some compile errors with kugel's patch, because of make -j
22:44:13Nico_Pkugel: it looks good :)
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22:47:33kugelgevaerts: hm
22:48:01kugelgevaerts: how long did you wait between setting going from off to on?
22:49:28kugellasser: indeed
22:50:04gevaertskugel: waiting time doesn't seem to matter. It is a bit complicated however
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22:50:59gevaertsWith only fade in enabled (no fade out), the backlight doens't go on on "on->off" transition, but it does go on (together with the image) on second keypress
22:51:45gevaertsWith only fade out enabled (no fade in), the backlight doesn't go on on "on->off" transition, and it stays off, no matter what buttons I press
22:51:46kugelgevaerts: I've noticed similar things on the e200 (it's white in this case). But I tracked that down to a bug in lcd_enable
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22:52:19kugelyou can experience that in svn too if you're a bit lucky
22:52:54kugelit's harder to reproduce in svn though
22:53:28gevaertsWith only fade out, it does indeed only go off after pressing select on "off"
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23:02:22amiconnMeh, shell special characters are nasty
23:02:43*amiconn 's latest commit msg misses a part due to this
23:03:51amiconnThe new make system still has some bugs
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23:05:25*amiconn is wondering about root.make line 95
23:06:02amiconn580 colums (!!), weird spacing, and it misses rombox.ucl
23:09:54bluebrotherlooks like messed up line breaks (and missing \'s)
23:10:00kugelgevaerts: if you only enabled fade in it doesn't go off when switching to off?
23:10:31lasserkugel: with lcd_fade v12 it is the same as with v11, with brightness 1 and fade in no upcoming backlight...
23:11:27kugellasser: yea, I'll have it fixed in the next version
23:12:15*amiconn summons Zagor
23:12:55gevaertskugel: no, that's when I only enable fade out
23:13:29amiconnThe problem fixed in r19176 could have been fixed in a different way (by adding .ovl to .SUFFIXES in root.make). But imho using $(basename $@) is better
23:14:35kugelgevaerts: well, it goes of for me (after some seconds)
23:14:47*kugel needs to inspect that more anyway
23:15:18gevaertskugel: well, yes, that's the previous setting. It doesn't go off immediately like it should
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23:37:51kugelgevaerts: that issues are on your c200 only?
23:39:16gevaertskugel: good question...
23:39:24*gevaerts tests on his x5
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23:40:28kugelwouldn't suprise me if yes
23:40:40gevaertsIndeed. Exactly the same
23:40:55kugelthe same issues?
23:41:35kugelalso that one where the backlight is on but the lcd is black?
23:43:46gevaertsNot that one, no. All others
23:48:04kugelgevaerts: see, that's a bug in lcd_enable. Nothing much I can do about
23:48:15gevaertsSure you can :)
23:48:16kugeldo much about*
23:48:28kugelwell, maybe in a seperate patch
23:49:27kugelgevaerts: I've taken a look at it. And it's full of sleeps and such stuff. that' probably messes up the timing. But I assume they are there because it's not working otherwise
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23:51:44kugelgevaerts: can you try that one? It uses the way of using the backlight thread (not jhMikeS approach) and it works better for me
23:52:53kugelthe old way that is
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23:53:31kugelgevaerts: oops, I should probably give you the link ;)
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