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#rockbox log for 2008-11-22

00:05:12kugelgevaerts: will you?
00:05:41gevaertskugel: sorry, I'm a bit busy with other things now
00:05:59kugelgevaerts: Ok
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00:16:22KilrooHm. Wonder why the stable build isn't an option.
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00:19:05kugelKilroo: it is? Click on releases
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00:31:09bustaplzif I install RockBox on my ipod will I have any issues using my FM transmitter or car dock?
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00:39:41Xydenhi all.
00:39:52Xydenso, how long should a build of rockbox take under cygwin?
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00:45:10pixelmathis can vary a lot, depending on your computer. Generally cygwin is quite slow and e.g. some virus scanners can slow down the process even more.
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00:52:39Xydenso taking about 8 hours to compile rb isn't heard of?
00:52:48XydenI mean isn't rare?
00:53:03Xydenwhen I compile it on my linux box, it is much faster
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00:56:55pixelma8 hours sounds much too much
00:58:04pixelmae.g. for me it takes a bit more than 10 minutes and so far the longest time I heard of was about 30 minutes
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01:43:52bustaplzWhat would happen if I deleted all the files that were added to my ipod by itunes?
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01:44:08bustaplzI'd rather manage my music manually
01:46:02Unhelpfulbustaplz: if you delete them, they're not on your ipod any more :D
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01:49:44bustaplzWell, where should I put my music?
01:49:55bustaplzIs there a preferred directory to start in?
01:51:15Unhelpfulrockbox doesn't really care. organize it however you like, or don't organize it at all, and use the tag database.
01:51:46bustaplzcan I just make a Music dir in root?
01:52:11bustaplzI have most of my music well organized so I'd like to just drag it into a dir
01:52:27bustaplzoh yeah, rockbox is the shit
01:53:19bustaplzi don't have to use iTunes ever again do I?
01:55:16bustaplzMartin Sexton - Happy
01:55:23bustaplzlisten to it
01:55:26bustaplzit's how I feel
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02:41:15Xydenpixelma, I know it is wierd, I dont know what is up...
02:41:34Xydenthis system is pretty fast, its a core 2 duo 2.4 ghz system with 3g of ram...
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02:43:49Xydenany ideas why it would take 8 hours to compile rockbox on my system?
02:44:48Unhelpfulnone at all, it takes a minute or two on mine. what's your build environment?
02:44:58LloreanCygwin, so he should expect 5-7 minutes
02:45:32soapbecause you're running cgywin inside vmware with a 1991 SCSI-I drive connected?
02:46:50Strife89soap: ;)
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02:50:30LambdaCalculus37Well, looks like someone seems to have gotten sound on the GoGear HDD1620 (so he says):
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03:02:45Xydenno, running windows vista sp1, on my notebook, core 2 duo 2.4 ghz 3g ram, its really wierd.
03:02:57XydenI'm going to try and build rb on another machine.
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03:40:05pixelmahe was trying to build rbutil? That's probably another story and I never tried myself...
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03:43:11pixelmastill shouldn't take 8 hours, I guess, but it might need some other tools in the environment. That information might have been important, oh well...
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04:06:24advcomp2019Segadude, hello.. you have a question?
04:06:59SegadudeIs there an nes emulator?
04:09:52LloreanOnly a not-entirely-working patch.
04:09:57LloreanNobody's working on it.
04:10:14SegadudeHow does that work?
04:10:30LloreanYou have to compile it yourself.
04:11:08LloreanAs I said, it doesn't entirely work anyway.
04:11:31SegadudeWell is there anymore games?
04:11:59LloreanThere's a list of plugins in the manual
04:14:29SegadudeJust wondering.... is there gonna be a port of rockbox for the new iPod Nanos and iPod Classic and iPod Touch?
04:14:39LloreanOnly if people who are interested in it do the work.
04:15:00LloreanThey are not planned, this is entirely volunteer stuff where people work on what they want done.
04:15:19Segadudehmm... I'm glad I have a first gen nano!
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05:57:05n17ikh|Lappyquestion: are there any rockbox-able players that have recording from line-in?
05:59:09n17ikh|LappyI'm guessing not the sansas
05:59:35n17ikh|Lappyhow bout the H10?
06:00:21LloreanDoes the H10 even have a line in without making a custom connector?
06:00:34LloreanIf you want to use line in, you're probably best off looking at the h100 series.
06:00:42n17ikh|Lappykinda what I figured
06:00:46LloreanOr maybe the X5/M5
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06:01:27scorcheeven the ipods have a line-in on the dock connector
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07:05:11SolarP1993DSHows the port of rockbox for the iPod nano 2nd gen looking?
07:05:30scorchepretty if it isnt even there...
07:05:43scorche(no one is working on it, so....)
07:05:53SolarP1993DSoh thats too bad
07:05:58SolarP1993DSwell not for me
07:06:07SolarP1993DSbut for a friend
07:07:51SolarP1993DSHow about a usb mode for the sansa c200?
07:08:10scorchehow about it?
07:08:31scorchehave you read the wiki page?
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07:17:40Unhelpfullooking at how album art is loaded now... i'm thinking we pass in a pointer to the buffer and a size available to the loader, it can pass the buffer pointer on to the scaler, etc, each layer of this adjusting the free space and pointer as needed before passing it on
07:18:23Unhelpfulseems easier than having a scaler_get_buf_size, and a loader_get_buf_size, etc, and having to call all of them and decide how much buffer is needed to read the file
07:19:56Unhelpfuland if we want to expose the same loader and scaler to the plugin API, the plugin can use the plugin buffer instead of the audio buffer
07:26:31Unhelpfuland each level can return a sentinel value if there's not enough memory for it to do its job - do we have an ENOMEM defined already?
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07:42:58amiconnn1s: ping
07:44:29amiconnHmpf, dependencies for codecs are still broken
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07:47:28Unhelpfulis *that* why i had some trouble with codec errors and unified make patch, pre-commit?
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07:52:21amiconnI didn't try that patch before commit
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08:02:49Unhelpfuli don't suppose anybody about right now could say what happens to cover art bitmaps on the buffer when the WPS changes to a new one with larger or smaller cover art?
08:04:29Unhelpful*here* right now
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09:07:26spark1sup room
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09:15:55TiMiDoanyone in here
09:19:00Unhelpfulyes, do you have a question?
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09:28:11spark1anyone from colorado
09:28:41scorchedoes this have something to do with rockbox?
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10:57:16bonsaiMonkeyhi, i have a question about the cowon x5l Rockbox status sheet, it says power handling 10%, does this mean instead of 35hours(factory) it only last for 3.5 hours?
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10:59:53Unhelpfuli'm not involved in porting, but that sort of thing more likely means that the code for talking to the device's power management systems is estimated to be about 10% done
11:00 no no...we actually exceed the original firmware's time...i wouldnt worry about what that page says...
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11:03:16linuxstbUnhelpful: Have you thought about posting to the bitmap resize FS task to tell idak what you're doing? If you think his patch has flaws, it could be nice to tell him.
11:03:26Unhelpfuldynamic bitmap line buffer breaks bitmap loading pretty much everywhere :/
11:04:40Unhelpfullinuxstb: it's not that i think his patch has flaws, so much as i've heard various concerns regarding what would need to be done for commit, that i'm trying to work on
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11:06:21Unhelpfulthe fixed read buffer may need to come back, too many things load bitmaps without having anywhere to allocate space from.
11:07:26Unhelpfuli've probably broken all of the grey/mono stuff in his patch, too. i can post up the color stuff, but for everybody else, things just aren't ready.
11:11:59Unhelpfulbut given that i've seen things mentioned here that aren't on the FS task, and not everybody stays on top of IRC, maybe i better revert to the fixed-buffer version of my patch, and start adding some stuff to FS
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11:20:34pixelmabonsaiMonkey: in case of the X5 it means that Rockbox can't charge it but you are able to use the original firmware's means for it, runtime is as good as Cowon's firmware or even better
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11:30:59bonsaiMonkeypixelma: so no usb charge or?? i bought it this morning, will get it on thuseday,
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11:32:24pixelmayou can get it to charge from USB but not with Rockbox (or while Rockbox is running)
11:33:39Unhelpfuli ran my gigabeat s that way for a while. if you can actually turn the cowon firmware off and start rockbox without a paperclip, then running the OF to charge should be bearable.
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11:37:16pixelmaUnhelpful: the X5 is quite different to the Gigabeat S there - you can't dual boot (officially) the complete firmware but the "Cowon loader" is still there. This is only active when you plug in the charger or USB while the unit is turned off, no reset necessary when after disconnecting.
11:37:55JdGordonkugel: whats the state of the v2's atm?
11:38:06Unhelpfulpixelma: the S both requires non-redistributable files to build a dual-boot BL, and has an OF that will never ever truly turn off :/
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11:42:54bonsaiMonkeythanks for the awnser, i think i'll use rockbox again
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12:11:32yaviI was listening music with an ipod photo with rockbox but it is not working
12:11:43yaviI press play and select but it doesn't work
12:11:52yavido you know what can I do?
12:13:15soapI do not understand what happened and what is not working.
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12:13:37soapIs your iPod Photo even on at this point, yavi?
12:13:53soapOh, he waited a long time.
12:14:45Unhelpfulmeh. and i have my answer about buffered album art - absolutely nothing happens to it on WPS load. even if it's the wrong size.
12:14:56Unhelpfulno idea how to fix *cleanly*, though :/
12:17:21Unhelpfulthe buffer could get a max-sized, still 24-bit album art, and that could be scaled-on-draw. i doubt anybody would be happy with that.
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12:45:11Unhelpfulfirst attempt at reworking resize-on-load is on FS #9458. any reports of hardware tests would be welcome, as well as comments on code/buffer size, fixes, etc.
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13:23:33LearHm, parallel make is slightly broken for me (in Cygwin). When making a full build, files including lang.h are compiled before lang.h is created.
13:29:11n1samiconn: pong, i bench midi playback by counting number of skips, they more than halved on my most complex testfile, i'm not sure how to get %numbers out of this though (the usage of likely() in the while() condition gave the biggest gain
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13:30:48n1sthis test was on c200 btw
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13:38:11amiconnIsn't there an option to decode without pcm output and measure the speed?
13:38:46amiconnn1s: The ping was due to something else, btw. Imo it should be LIKELY() and UNLIKELY() (caps), as those are preprocessor macros
13:39:54n1si'm sure it wouldn't be too hard to hack a benchmarking mode into it.
13:40:24n1sif you feel strongly about the al-caps thing i'll change it
13:41:33soapwhat would I do with a 12 core 400mhz machine?
13:41:42soapsounds cool, though, gotta give it that.
13:41:56pixelmaport Rockbox to it? ;)
13:41:57amiconndocs/CONTRIBUTING says: "Preprocessor symbols and enum constants should be all upper case."
13:42:11amiconnI know that this isn't adhered to 100% though
13:42:12n1samiconn: ok, i'll change it
13:43:20amiconnIn this case I think it makes sense, because right now it looks like an actual function, which it isn't. It's just a hint for gcc regarding branch optimisation
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13:45:08Unhelpfulam i reading that correctly, as >99% off?
13:47:16amiconnn1s: You said some codces use this technique too?
13:47:31*amiconn already experimented a little with it in libdemac
13:47:58n1samiconn: a few places in tremor already used it, see my commit, i changed them to use (un)likely
13:48:22n1soh, and mpegplayer
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13:50:47amiconnHmm. Were these optimisations done by rockbox devs, or are they from verbatim Tremor?
13:52:14n1siirc the tremor stuff was tomal's work
13:59:20amiconnjhMikeS: The beast cannot go higher than 48kHz?
13:59:49jhMikeSamiconn: that's the chip limit according to the datasheet (and filters)
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14:28:12n1samiconn: synthing one test track takes ~6% less time with the (un)likely tweaks so the gain is not huge
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15:51:39RedSansais there anybody who knows to update old themes to RB 3.0 ? the changes like %pb and so on are corrected, but the text layout is strange and i'm not able to fix it
15:53:14RedSansaa longer explanation is posted in the forum under WPS Custom... Thread "Very cool theme - i need help to fix it"
15:53:43RedSansaits not a complex theme but it freaks me out ;)
15:55:43advcomp2019RedSansa, you can read the thread or the wiki.. they talk about the new codes
15:57:07RedSansai read it...i corrected it..i think its not the problem of the new version anymore. it seems to be a general problem
15:58:33advcomp2019are you sure because if there is no value, you need to use - and you might have to move the values around too
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16:01:01RedSansai tried a lot...probably its in front of me and i didnt see the problem
16:01:28RedSansain the thread i attached also a picture of what it should look like
16:02:08advcomp2019so you posted a photo of what it is doing then?
16:02:50RedSansaonly a photo of what it looked like a few months ago
16:02:56RedSansain the old version
16:03:22RedSansabefore i started to correct it, it looked like junk
16:03:37RedSansanow its better but the texts are disolaced
16:03:42advcomp2019o ok.. so what is wrong with it right now
16:03:51advcomp2019plus what theme is it
16:06:03advcomp2019do you know if needs any custom build?
16:06:30RedSansano it doesnt need any custom build
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16:08:55RedSansathe loaded graphics for "play" and so on are okay and working. its only the text (like filetype) which make trouble
16:11:26advcomp2019o ok.. sounds like the theme might not be using ViewPort or using it be something else.. you might want to use pastebin so i could see what might be wrong
16:13:09RedSansaokay wait a moment
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16:30:53advcomp2019RedSansa, i do not see anything wrong but i am not very good at looking at the WPS code tho
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16:33:52RedSansawhat player do you have?
16:34:20saratogaToni is back, and hes brought something new: FS #9570 - Sansa e200v1: Increased runtime by ~20%
16:34:27advcomp2019i have a sansa e200 series
16:35:52gevaertsAnother 20%?
16:36:07*gevaerts takes out the battery from his sansa as it's not really needed any more
16:36:07RedSansacant you test the theme on your sansa? probably the probs are only on mine
16:37:05advcomp2019i would need all the theme tho
16:38:59bertrikoh nice!
16:40:37RedSansathe theme is completley uploaded in the thread
16:41:28advcomp2019i see that now.. sorry about that
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16:44:16saratogadoes anyone know what the FS entry for the sansa file corruption bug was?
16:44:19saratogai can't seem to find it
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16:49:15saratogagevaerts: ah thanks
16:49:25saratogamind if i edit the title there to mention the SD card?
16:49:35gevaertsGo ahead
16:51:00*gevaerts wonders if amiconn's idea about the portalplayer usb issues maybe being caused by RAM timing setup issues could also explain this one
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16:58:19advcomp2019RedSansa, looks like an alignment issue because of ViewPorts
17:00:16kugeljhMikeS: did you read my comments on fs#6800?
17:00:26RedSansahm...any idea how to fix it?
17:01:56advcomp2019nope.. not sure but you can play around with it
17:02:04 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC") couldnt imagine how long i played around with it already
17:04:10RedSansai thank you for your time advcomp2019
17:04:50advcomp2019RedSansa, yea.. someone else might be able to help.. your welcome
17:07:09RedSansafor everyone here who thinks he can fix an easy theme...please watch
17:10:10scotty007anyone else here with compiling errors since r19169 (ipod color arm/sim)?
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17:17:00kugelscotty007: svn up ?
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17:19:02scotty007tried clean svn commits. r19168 complies fine. r19169 gives errors for apps/alarm_menu.c (still present in r19180)
17:19:26scotty007*svn checkouts*
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17:20:55kugelscotty007: we are at r19180 already
17:21:30kugelscotty007: the build table looks fine to me ( so it's likely a problem on your end
17:26:05kugelcan someone commit ?
17:29:29kugelor wait, maybe linuxstb should take a look first
17:30:15scotty007kugel: same error on another system with a fresh r19180 :-(
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17:30:43kugelscotty007: are you doing make -j maybe?
17:31:26scotty007kugel: i tried it with and without the -j option
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17:35:21kugelscotty007: but still, the build table looks fine. It's most likely a problem on your end. What's the exact message enyway?
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17:40:09kugelscotty007: hm, you have a . (dot) in your dir name. Maybe that makes problems?
17:40:34scotty007kugel: if there's something broken in my build envs (for arm and sim) i wonder why r19168 compiles fine on both systems
17:40:52scotty007kugel: I'll try the dor thing...
17:41:36kugelscotty007: if that's the issue, then it's a nice find and should be reported (to Zagor)
17:41:50kugelmaybe it's even also the "-"
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17:45:13gevaertsIt's certainly not the -, and I would be surprised if the . caused problems
17:47:59scotty007kugel, gevaerts: it works without . and -
17:48:25gevaertsI have -s in all my build dirs, so it must be the . then
17:49:07kugelgevaerts: I'm not really surprised
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17:53:55scotty007kugel, gevaerts: seems to be the combination of both (dirnames and rockbox-work are ok, isn't)
17:55:09gevaertsscotty007: I'd say submit a bug report
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18:01:06scotty007kugel, gevaerts: it's not the . or _, it's the path length (/tmp/ is ok while /home/scotty/ROCKBOX/build/ isn't)
18:02:35MrcheesenipsI change the background color on Rockbox to black, I forgot to change my text to a differnent color instead of black first, the text and background are black. I cannot see what I am doing.
18:03:00MrcheesenipsHow do I change the text to a different color so I can see it?
18:03:06kugelscotty007: that was the next idea if it wasn't . or -
18:03:46gevaertsMrcheesenips: you can have rockbox reset its settings while booting. See the manual for your player for the exact procedure
18:03:57Mrcheesenipsok thanks :D
18:08:00MrcheesenipsWould it be in the General Settings tab?
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18:10:00Mrcheesenipsok I have got it..
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18:32:25lardmasterI partitioned my ipod's disk like this: and now when it boots it gets file not found for rockbox.ipod. It does identify the right partition at startup, and the file is there. I tried running rbutil to reinstall it but it still seems unable to find the file. What should I do?
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18:33:15kugellinuxstb: hey can you please take a look at
18:33:20gevaertslardmaster: did you format with mkfs.vfat?
18:33:54lardmasterI can mount the filesystem
18:34:21gevaertsTry mformat (see for details). mkfs.vfat is known to sometimes make filesystems that rockbox can't read on ipod 5.5G
18:34:21lardmasterWould you like to know exactly what it says at boot?
18:34:33lardmasterthanks :)
18:35:19kugelgevaerts: I wonder why it took so long for someone to get the idea to switch off the sd controller :S
18:36:13kugelgevaerts: regarding FS #9570
18:36:28linuxstbkugel: I just have. It doesn't make any sense to me as lcd_framebuffer should be accessed as [y][x].
18:36:49lardmasterwould grub interfere with rockbox booting if installed on an ipod?
18:36:54gevaertskugel: it does indeed sound slightly obvious in hindsight :)
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18:37:28kugelgevaerts: especially when I look at that diff. It's just too trivial
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18:37:53kugeland even more if we tend to use lcd_enable quite frequently, but sd_enable not at all?
18:38:16kugelbut on the other side, I didn't even know there's a sd_enable function yet
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18:39:00gevaertskugel: maybe you can run button_disable to save even more power when you're not using the device :)
18:39:33kugelgevaerts: or if you used the hold button. good idea! :)
18:40:46kugellinuxstb: ok, then we should ask mc2739 why he thinks that's a bug. And what do you say about about the removal of GPIOD_DIR |= (1<<7) ? is the button light necessary for lcd?
18:41:16linuxstbkugel: Why did you apply it for the fuze? Does lcd_update_rect() not work?
18:42:04kugellinuxstb: to see what it does. And it doesn't change anything apparently. But on the other hand I don't even reach the main menu yet
18:42:53kugellinuxstb: how similar are the the e200v2 and fuze lcd driver?
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18:43:38kugellinuxstb: I remember that the display was rotated in one of the early e200v2 pictures. Maybe it's indeed the swapped for the e200v2
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18:43:50kugelrotated by 90° that is
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18:45:48lardmasterwhen I try mformat like in it gives me the "argssize must be less than 6" error. says that means I should change the -s to -n, but there are no -s's in the command, only -S. What should I do?
18:46:45linuxstbkugel: I'll post a comment to the task...
18:47:12gevaertslardmaster: try both of the commands suggested in IpodConversionToFAT32. One of those should worl
18:47:58gevaertslardmaster: did you edit /etc/mtools.conf?
18:50:25lardmasterthat's the problem
18:50:33gevaertsAt least part of it
18:53:27lardmasterLooks like it's working for me :)
18:53:34gevaertsgreat :)
18:53:58Self-PerfectionHello. I suppose I have found error in buffer size description in CustomWPS wiki. quote: "There is a buffer limit on how many bitmap pixels can be loaded in to memory which is calculated as such: ((LCD_HEIGHT*LCD_WIDTH*LCD_DEPTH/8) + (2*LCD_HEIGHT*LCD_WIDTH/8)). This means that the total visual size of all of the bitmaps used cannot exceed the total of this calculation. For 16-bit targets, this comes to 2.25 times the size of
18:53:58Self-Perfectionthe screen."
18:54:06gevaertsMr Someone really needs to find out why mkfs.vfat formatted filesystems don't work in rockbox...
18:54:17Self-PerfectionIn apps/gui/qwps.h:
18:54:57Self-Perfection#define IMG_BUFSIZE ((LCD_HEIGHT*LCD_WIDTH*LCD_DEPTH/8) + (2*LCD_HEIGHT*LCD_WIDTH/8))
18:55:26Self-Perfectionand later: unsigned char img_buf[IMG_BUFSIZE];
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18:55:50kugeland where's the bug now?
18:56:01Self-PerfectionSo it seems ((LCD_HEIGHT*LCD_WIDTH*LCD_DEPTH/8) + (2*LCD_HEIGHT*LCD_WIDTH/8)) is number of bytes, used for buffer
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18:56:21Self-PerfectionBut pixels would 2 times less
18:56:33Self-Perfection1.125 of screen size
18:56:58lardmastergevaerts: is it due to a fault in rockbox or in mkfs.vfat?
18:57:19gevaertslardmaster: I don't think that's known yet
18:57:24linuxstbgevaerts: Didn't someone test mkfs.vfat recently and conclude that it was fine? I forget who though...
18:57:44lardmasterwell I just found it didn't work for me
18:57:47gevaertslinuxstb: wpyh did, but lots of people still have issues
18:58:08gevaertsSo maybe it sometimes works, possibly depending on partition sizes
18:58:10kugellinuxstb: what about the button light in lcd_init_device?
18:58:51*gevaerts would have a look if he had a 5.5G ipod
18:58:54Self-Perfectionkugel: so?
18:59:06kugelgevaerts: the man page says it automatically switches between fat12, 16 and 32 depending on the partition size. Maybe just 1 or 2 of this modes don't work
18:59:55gevaertskugel: I'm pretty sure it's not simply that, as we're talking about big devices here.
19:00:01lardmasterI did it with -F 32 or whatever
19:00:53gevaertsSo automatic switching doesn't come into play anyway
19:01:37linuxstbkugel: Yes, I'll remove that now.
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19:02:48n1sSelf-Perfection: if you see the comment in gwps.h it says that the buffer is large enough to hold on fullscreen _native_ bitmap and two _mono_ bitmaps, your wiki quote does not say if it means color or mono pixels
19:03:37n1sso imho it's just the wiki that's unclear
19:04:14kugelmc2739: ping!?
19:06:10linuxstblardmaster: Did you also use -S 2048 with mkfs.vfat?
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19:06:24Self-Perfectionn1s: mono bitmaps would be 18 times screen size, so 2.25 is wrong either way. Better someone one fix it, to make clear/right
19:07:16n1sSelf-Perfection: one fullscreen native _and_ 2 fullscreen mono, it's a wiki...
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19:08:28Self-Perfectionn1s: Yeah, I see. Thank you.
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19:11:18kugellinuxstb: would volunteer to commit ? If not, who should I ask?
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19:52:30lardmasterwould grub interfere with rockbox on an ipod?
19:54:33blkhawkwhy would you put grub on an Ipod?
19:57:00bluebrotherit wouldn't. The Ipod boots off a special firmware partition, not of a PC-like boot sector (wouldn't work for HFS+-formatted Ipods anyway)
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20:01:59lardmasterblkhawk: to boot from a linux partition.
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20:26:34MarcGuayHi everyone. What happened to the daily voice files?
20:28:07MarcGuayLinks seem to indicate they used to be available on this page but are no longer there as far as I can see.
20:29:16MarcGuayThere's a voices directory here that hasn't been updated since 2006:
20:29:48MarcGuayAnd voices for 3.0 here:
20:32:26MarcGuayAh, seems to be a recent issue judging but the Voice column of the "old daily" page:
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20:35:17fdinelkugel: hi :)
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20:51:37*gevaerts runs test_codec on a -c5000 ape file on his d2 :)
20:55:55kugelgevaerts: d2 is supported by my backlight fading patch!
20:56:14kugelfdinel: hey. Any news on fuze buttons? I read something with dbob?
20:56:20gevaertskugel: saving settings isn't, so I can't test properly ;)
20:58:02kugelgevaerts: it defaults to fade up, no problem :)
20:58:09kugelfade up & down that is
20:58:46kugeljhMikeS: I can't get it to work with quere_wait_w_tmo
20:58:50bertrikFS appears to be down
20:59:26bertrikoh, now it isn't
20:59:36kugeldamn, I was just going to make a joke about it :S
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21:12:19gevaertsThe d2 decodes -c5000 at 15.55%
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21:40:19gevaertsDoes the mp3 codec make use of dual core on the d2?
21:41:02LambdaCalculus37Not sure if shotofadds makes use of the dual core.
21:41:16fdinelkugel: well the latest news is on the forums :/
21:43:42lostlogichey, I feel like a newb, but is it possible to import songs and playlists from iTunes DB into rockbox db and playlist catalog
21:44:01lardmasterBecause they are just tagged files
21:44:10lardmasterit should automatically import them
21:44:35kugellostlogic: newb!
21:44:42lardmasterbasically it's as if you saved the files as /ipod_control/f50/dkp23.mp3
21:44:56lardmasterinstead of how you normally organize them.
21:45:17LambdaCalculus37lostlogic: Sure, as long as everything is tagged. :)
21:45:34lostlogicgotcha, how about playlists?
21:45:45lardmasterHave you heard of anyone booting linux from an ipod (like as an external hd)?
21:45:54LambdaCalculus37Don't think playlists from iTunes will work.
21:45:55lostlogicput rockbox on gf's ipod and she wants her old playlists :-P
21:46:09lardmasterThey might
21:46:14LambdaCalculus37She'll have to recreate them or find a way of exporting them as m3u.
21:46:17lardmastertry searching through the ipod directories
21:49:23gevaertslostlogic: there are lots of discussions on the forums about this, some of them mentioning tools that can export itunes playlists as m3u playlists I believe
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21:50:10lostlogiccool, will take look if she insists :)
21:50:41gevaertsWhat ARM version is the TCC78xx (ARM926EJ+ARM946ES)?
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21:54:06lardmasterlostlogic: see
21:54:11LambdaCalculus37gevaerts: Dual core ARM926EJ-S + ARM946ES @ 200MHz, 96K SRAM.
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21:54:32gevaertsLambdaCalculus37: I know that, but is this ARMv4, ARMv5, ...?
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21:55:59LambdaCalculus37gevaerts: In that case, not sure.
21:56:02*LambdaCalculus37 asks Google
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21:57:02saratogagevaerts: saw your question in the logs, and the answer is no
21:57:42gevaertssaratoga: the question is of course if it makes sense on tcc
21:57:47saratogathe check if for PP only, but theres nothing target specific at all about the implementation, so provided you have access to uncached [or coherent] memory, and init the hardware correctly it should work
21:58:51LambdaCalculus37gevaerts: According to it's ARMv5.
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21:59:01saratogaone is ARM4 the other 5 I believe
21:59:21saratogayou probably would rather be using the ARM5 one whever possible for codecs
22:01:03saratogano my mistake
22:01:07saratogathey're both ARM5
22:01:41gevaertsOK. I'll finish my edit to the SoundCodecMonkeysAudio page then
22:03:03devurandomCan someone tell me where the difference between a SanDisk Sansa e260 with ModelNr SDMX4-4096-E70 and SDMX4R-4096K-E70 is?
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22:03:21devurandom vs.
22:03:32gevaertsdevurandom: maybe sandisk can
22:03:35devurandomFrom those pages I cannot see a difference... :(
22:03:58devurandomI was already googling for the model numbers, but that was not exactly helpful either. :(
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22:04:29LambdaCalculus37One may be a Rhapsody model (e260R).
22:05:03LambdaCalculus37But I'm not 100% sure.
22:05:34devurandomWhat's the difference?
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22:07:23advcomp2019devurandom, i think there is no difference have not sure tho
22:08:02devurandomSo I just pay 25€ for "Rhapsody" in the name? *rolleyes*
22:08:11devurandom*25€ more
22:08:43LambdaCalculus37advcomp2019: Mostly in the way you have to install Rockbox. That's about it.
22:09:49advcomp2019LambdaCalculus37, yes but you do not know if those are the ams sansas tho
22:10:00kugeldevurandom: the one is with radio, the other isn't
22:10:23saratogagevaerts: I'd probably look at doing some ARMv5E optimization of codecs before multithreading them
22:10:48kugeldevurandom: rofl, don't buy these. They're extremely expensive
22:11:04saratogain MP3 specifically filterbank.c uses half the total execution time and could probably be made quite a lot faster on ARMv5 just by changing some of the multiplies out for new ARMv5E instructions for 16 bit multiplies
22:11:11devurandomkugel: Both not?
22:11:24devurandomkugel: In general, or just at Amazon?
22:11:36kugeldevurandom: just at amazon it seems
22:11:46kugelyou shouldn't pay more then 50€ for an e260
22:11:48devurandomIt's the only place I have found them so far. ;)
22:11:59saratogaerr rather synth.c, filterbank is the AAC equivilent
22:12:15kugelwell, they're not produced anymore. They possibly get more expensive the less units they have
22:12:17devurandomThe C variants are similar, but without a graphical display?
22:12:28gevaertsdevurandom: if you want rockbox now, you'll also need a v1, and you have no guarantees about that either there
22:12:40devurandomHm, ok...
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22:12:59kugeldevurandom: get a fuze, that's the successor of the e200 serious, with better display and wheel, and radio by default
22:13:05kugelfor ~60
22:13:11devurandomAnd RockBox runs on it?
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22:13:24gevaertsdevurandom: c200 is a different player, with a smaller and lower quality screen, and a smaller maximal storage capacity
22:13:25LambdaCalculus37advcomp2019: That's true.
22:13:38kugeldevurandom: rockbox is quite likely to run on the fuze soon
22:14:05devurandomHow soon is "soon"? ;)
22:14:15*gevaerts doesn't recommend buying not-yet-supported players to people who don't collect players and don
22:14:16devurandomAre we talking about weeks, months, years? ;)
22:14:18LambdaCalculus37Sooner than Duke Nukem Forever, that's for sure. ;)
22:14:20kugeldevurandom: well, I see the rockbox logo on mine
22:14:25gevaerts't want to help porting
22:14:38devurandomLambdaCalculus37: Hehe. :P
22:14:53gevaertsdevurandom: I'd say months at least before it's end-user ready, although progress seems to be fast right now
22:14:53devurandomkugel: That means what? That 1% of the code runs already? ;)
22:15:08*kugel doesn't recomment outdated and incredibly overpriced players which aren't sure to run rockbox neither
22:15:10LambdaCalculus37devurandom: Rockbox on the Fuze is partially working. There's LCD and storage, but no sound and no proper buttons.
22:15:25devurandomWell, I'd get it for christmas anyway, so you have some time to get it running. ;)
22:15:34kugeldevurandom: slightly more. Code runs, and there's a plenty of people working on it
22:15:47devurandomI once was trying to get into RB development, but gave up soon, due to missing time and pre-knowledge.
22:15:49gevaertskugel: sure. Don't buy an e200 if you don't *know* if it's a v1, but if you do know, why not?
22:16:13Unhelpfulgevaerts: froobi for that :D
22:16:20kugelwould you say it's sure on that links he gave?
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22:16:34gevaertskugel: no, as I said earlier
22:16:42gevaertsUnhelpful: froobi + a friend in the US
22:16:48devurandomSo if some parts are not running yet, maybe I'd have the time to get it working. ;)
22:16:51kugelyea, froobi offers some "guaranteed v1" sometimes
22:17:15BigBambino need for quotatation marks
22:17:18BigBambithey are
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22:17:31kugelI don't doubt that
22:17:33BigBambiOnly problem is the US only nature
22:17:33*gevaerts also doesn't like recommending beasts and d2s for the same reason. Not end-user ready yet, and totally unclear when they will be
22:17:39BigBambiI agree
22:17:40kugelI was rather quoting the article description
22:17:57BigBambiIt could seem like it wil be soon, but until Rockbox actaully runs you never know
22:18:08Unhelpfulgevaerts: i'm not sure i follow. surely everything outside our borders is a vast wasteland without any civilization, and therefore no need for DAPs?
22:18:09BigBambiThere could always be some unforseen hitch
22:18:45kugelfact is
22:19:03devurandomUnhelpful: Yeah, it's only a huge desert here.
22:19:04kugelthis amazon e200 isn't guaranteed a v1
22:19:09Unhelpful...that needs a ;). people might think an american *meant* that. :/
22:19:18BigBambikugel: Nobody has said it is
22:19:32kugelso devurandom is very likely to end up with a e200v2 which is the same as the fuze (rockbox-wise) but a worse player overall
22:19:46gevaertskugel: which I told him
22:19:51devurandomUnhelpful: If we want to drink something, we have to run 100 miles for the next well. And the next musikstore is about 2000km away.
22:20:01BigBambikugel: So I would reommend getting one he knows is a v1, not another player that also isn't supported
22:20:25Unhelpfuldevurandom: i'm american, i can't even imagine running *one* mile? ;)
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22:20:48gevaertsZagor: have you seen ?
22:20:50kugelI don't :) I try to get him involved in porting :p
22:20:51devurandomNot even for burgers? :P
22:21:01BigBambikugel: Which is unfair on users
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22:21:05devurandomlol, thanks kugel.
22:21:30devurandomWell, if I'd have time, I'd be on the boat for sure. ;) I'm quite interested in playing with hardware, even if I never properly did it yet.
22:21:46kugelno, in fact, I was just saying that the ones at amazon are way to expensive for not being a v1
22:21:55gevaertsdevurandom: actually you can play with low-level code on a fully supported player just fine :)
22:22:18BigBambiWith the added bonus of being able to use it to lisen to music too
22:22:41Zagorgevaerts: did you ever ask what system he was using? I've been using far longer paths than that without problems.
22:22:43devurandomI can check the firmware version after starting it? (Settings->info, I read?), maybe some local store will let me check that.
22:23:00BigBambiYes, v3..... is a v2 and v1........ is a v1
22:23:01devurandomBigBambi: Hehe.
22:23:23gevaertsZagor: um, I knew we had forgotten something...
22:23:43saratogai wouldn't order if there was a chance of getting a V2 E200, the Fuze and clip are more interesting players i think
22:24:20BigBambisure, but if someone asked for a recommendation for a player to use Rockbox with, not develop, it isn't right or fair to recommend any of those
22:24:38BigBambiNo matter how soon one might think Rockbox will be running
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22:24:51devurandomWell, I'll ask again after christmas. ;)
22:24:52kugelwhat was the exact #define for enabling logf again? USE_LOGF or LOGF or what?
22:24:59devurandomI hope my iBrick will last till then. ;)
22:25:14gevaertskugel: lots of files have the right define commented out near the top
22:25:55kugelnot the files I'm editting. Should I look into every file in the tree until I find it?
22:26:19gevaertsHave a look in e.g. firmware/usbstack/usb_core.c. That one has it
22:26:29*gevaerts is too lazy to look himself right now
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22:27:52gevaertskugel: you need the include and the define in the right order, otherwise it won't work
22:28:13kugelyep, I remember. first define then include
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22:31:08Zagorgevaerts: actually, my previous long paths were shorter. but now I tried with /home/bjst/src/rockbox/a-very-long-dirname-to-provoke-strange-errors and still can't repeat his problem
22:31:53Zagormy guess is that he is not on a standard linux
22:32:12Zagorcan someone try on cygwin?
22:32:39Zagor(me cygwin box is not available at the moment)
22:32:40BigBambiyeah, will do
22:33:03BigBambijust try a build in a directory with a very long name, yes?
22:33:13Zagorthe full path should be long
22:33:26Zagorhis was 47 characters
22:33:30Zagorso at least that
22:33:52gevaertsMaybe include a - and/or a . in the name. It could still be a combination from what I can see
22:34:03BigBambiwell it'll be /home/alex/rockbox + whatever I make the build dir :)
22:34:25Zagorah ah ah, the dot might be it! I do black magic with dots in the bitmap files.
22:34:34*BigBambi waits :)
22:35:23gevaertsBy pure coincidence, the error is bitmap-related :)
22:36:54Zagorno, just a dot is not enough to repeat it. I'll try with his exact name.
22:38:35Zagornope, still no go
22:39:14*gevaerts can't reproduce it either
22:39:30gevaertsI can get a problem with make -j3 though, but it's a different one
22:39:42Zagoroh, what is that?
22:40:00BigBambiI'm trying cygwin with /home/alex/rockbox/the-longest-path-in-the-world-ever-no-arguments-allowed-if-anyone-disagrees-I-will-see-them-outside/ :)
22:40:06ZagorI usually run with -j (no number) to stress the parallelism as much as possible
22:40:49gevaerts Apparently the lang.h dependencies aren't there correctly
22:46:03Zagorgevaerts: can you upload make.dep for that build? or at least the dependencies for apps/playback_menu.o
22:46:31Zagoror just check that they include lang.o
22:47:30gevaertsplayback_menu.o depends on lang.o, yes
22:47:51gevaertsBut there are no dependencies for lang.o
22:48:03Zagorno those are "hardcoded" in apps/lang/lang.make
22:48:19Zagorsince lang.o is a generated file
22:48:36ZagorI mean lang.c
22:48:55gevaertsBut shouldn't lang.h appear there?
22:49:45Zagorno. mkdepfile (in functions.make) has a s/lang.h/$(BUILDDIR)/lang.o/
22:49:53Zagor(well, sort of)
22:50:42Zagorwe have to do special tricks for generated files, because they are not there when gcc compiles dependencies
22:51:06*amiconn_ returns spots an active Zagor
22:51:18kugelwhy not just generate the files during configure
22:51:21amiconn_Umm, add 'and' where appropriate
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22:51:52gevaertskugel: that would make configure hopelessly slow, and not actually solve the problem
22:52:21Zagorkugel: it would just move it, not actually change anything. this isn't a problem.
22:52:42kugelwell, those special tricks aren't needed then
22:53:07gevaertskugel: how do you handle changes to the sources for the generated files?
22:53:10ZagorI don't know why gevaerts make compiles playback_menu.c before lang.c even when there is a dependency for lang.o. it shouldn't.
22:53:16amiconnZagor: I have 2 remarks regarding 'make clean': (1) the weird format of root.make line 95: 580 chars and weird spacing
22:53:30amiconn(2) It forgets to clean rombox.ucl (on Ondio SP and Player)
22:53:53Zagoryeah make clean was just copied from the old makefile. it's not terribly pretty.
22:53:58kugelgevaerts: time stamps
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22:54:27Zagorkugel: that means make still has to know how to create them. so why do it in configure?
22:54:31gevaertskugel: obviously, but what we're seeing now is the actual dependencies failing
22:54:37amiconnIirc the 'clean' command had line breaks in the old Makefile
22:54:45amiconnAlso, the old one did clean rombox.ucl
22:55:09kugelok ok. make/makefile is above my head anyway
22:55:44Zagoramiconn: indeed it did. I wonder where I got this one from then. I sure didn't write down all those files myself...
22:56:05amiconnZagor: Some more things which appeared to me: (3) The codec lib dependencies are still broken. If I only change e.g. libdemac's filter.c, *nothing* gets rebuilt
22:56:19Zagorah, the old tools/configure contained this clean target
22:56:30amiconnThe old build system at least rebuilt libdemac, and a second run the caught the new libdemac and relinked the codecs...
22:56:51Zagoramiconn: ok, I'll look at that
22:57:17amiconnAnd finally, what do you think regarding r19176?
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22:57:58amiconnI found that it would probably have been sufficient to add .ovl to .SUFFIXES, but then the gnu make manual discourages the use of $* as well...
22:58:00gevaertsZagor: make `pwd`/lang.o works, in case that matters
22:58:13amiconn(found that only after I committed my fix...)
22:59:37Zagoramiconn: where do you find that $* is discouraged? I've read the manual pretty thorougly
23:00:27ZagorI think adding .ovl to suffixes would have been the proper solution since $* absolutely works and is used in many other places
23:01:23Zagoron the other hand there's nothing really wrong with your solution either
23:01:33amiconn"You should generally avoid using `$*' except in implicit rules or static pattern rules. "
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23:02:21amiconnThe rules in question are static pattern rules iiuc, so it wouldn't be discouraged there
23:02:23Zagorlookie there! :-)
23:03:54amiconnI saw that $* is used in other places
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23:05:33Zagorgevaerts: how repeatable is the problem for you? I fail to repeat it here.
23:05:36amiconnI was a bit surprised that it didn't work properly for .ovl, but thought this was because the target had no %. Only later I found that it was due to the extension
23:05:48Zagoramiconn: ok
23:05:50gevaertsZagor: perfectly. It happens every time
23:06:07Zagorgevaerts: wow.
23:06:10amiconnMy solution has the advantage that it's less "magic", because it doesn't rely on .SUFFIXES
23:06:14gevaertsZagor: I've submitted FS #9572 with both make.dep and the output of make -d
23:06:44Zagoramiconn: true
23:07:49Zagoramiconn: in fact I've changed my mind. yours is the better solution, precisely because it's more readable.
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23:11:06Zagorgevaerts: which build is this?
23:11:12ZagorI mean target/type
23:11:18gevaertsIpod video, 22
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23:13:17gevaertsD2 normal fails as well
23:14:06Zagorbut not without -j ?
23:14:21gevaertsWithout -j I have no issues at all
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23:15:25Zagordoes your builds always run in this order? my builds are built in a very different order!
23:15:52Zagorsure, -j3 will throw things around a bit, but these differences are pretty large
23:16:03gevaertsI haven't paid much attention to that
23:16:13Zagorand I always get roughly the same sequence. which is very different from yours.
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23:17:06gevaertsWhat sort of system do you use? This is debian unstable on a c2d with a 64 bit install
23:17:07Zagoroh wait, you have your build two dirs down from root. maybe that somehow changes things.
23:17:27gevaertsI tried oine build down as well. Same issue
23:17:36Zagorok :(
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23:18:53gevaertsOn my 32bit etch install it works fine
23:19:29BigBambiWith the patch I mentioned earlier cygwin has no been sat saying Generating Dependencies for 42 minutes
23:19:39BigBambiNormally a build on it takes 20/25 mins
23:19:43BigBambiIt looks stuck to me
23:20:17gevaertsDidn't someone complain about cygwin builds taking 8 hours recently?
23:20:17ZagorBigBambi: definitely sounds wrong. how large is your make.dep ?
23:20:39BigBambiOne mo, I'll look
23:20:43Zagorgevaerts: on what, an 8086?
23:20:56*gevaerts greps the logs
23:21:26BigBambiZagor: just over 2 MB
23:21:37gevaertsZagor: start at
23:22:00gevaertsBigBambi: does it have a recent timestamp, and/or is it growing?
23:22:17ZagorBigBambi: that's pretty normal. with your long path it will be a bit over 2 MB. maybe closer to 3MB
23:22:19BigBambino, timestamp is 22:43 for last modofied
23:22:29gevaertsZagor: core 2 duo 2.4 ghz system with 3g of ram he says
23:23:47gevaertsamiconn: in case you didn't see it yet, I added ape benchmarks for the cowon D2 to SoundCodecMonkeysAudio
23:23:52Zagorgevaerts: probably the same issue. dependency generation hanging for some reason.
23:24:04ZagorBigBambi: abort and tell me the last .o file in make.dep
23:24:08gevaertsI guess so, yes.
23:24:36BigBambiOn aborting it now seems to be continuing with building
23:25:43ZagorBigBambi: ok. your dep file is probably incomplete. so break the compile and tell me the last .o file in it.
23:25:58amiconngevaerts: Ah, nice :) I wonder why -c1000 is effectively slower than on Gigabeat F though....
23:26:23BigBambiZagor: /apps/plugins/bitmaps/native/rockboxlogo.220x68x16.o
23:26:40amiconnZagor: Oh, btw, I tried the new make system on Interix. I started as expected, but then gmake segfaulted (!) is some plugin...
23:26:47amiconn*It started...
23:26:49BigBambiZagor: This was ipod video btw
23:26:54Zagoramiconn: haha
23:27:16ZagorBigBambi: wow, that is the last file you're supposed to have. so what the heck was it doing...?
23:27:27BigBambiNo idea :)
23:27:33Zagoramiconn: how old gmake is in interix?
23:27:44gevaertsamiconn: maybe IRAM/SRAM usage isn't good enough yet?
23:28:10BigBambiZagor: It was just sat there - no CPU use or disk use that I could see, and only automake.h, Makefile and make.dep in the build dir
23:28:38amiconnI didn't use the packaged one (that would have been 3.80.something), but the latest one, 3.81, built myself. It worked just fine with the old system, and it also worked fine for building the crosscompilers...
23:28:51amiconngevaerts: Gigabeat F uses no IRAM...
23:29:02amiconnIt has some, but it isn't used
23:29:16Zagoramiconn: well sorry but I'm not going to take the blame for gmake segfaulting...
23:29:56amiconnI should probably make clean and retry. Maybe it was some temporary hiccup
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23:35:42Zagoramiconn: the reason why libdemac isn't recompiled when changing filter.c is because filter.c is not included in libdemac...
23:35:52Zagorsee SOURCES
23:36:26Zagorbut yeah, we need to fix that
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23:36:53amiconnfilter.c is included by each filter_*_*.c
23:37:02amiconn...and those are in SOURCES
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23:38:21Zagoryeah I know. what I'm hinting at is that #including .c files is not exactly kosher imho
23:40:25amiconnZagor: Regardless of this fact (which is, in this case, saving a lot of code duplication without putting code into .h files), the problem would also hit if only a .h file is changed, iiuc
23:40:28Zagorhappily, it looks like the solution is in updating tools/ rather than adding more magic.
23:40:57Zagoramiconn: no. try before guessing. :-)
23:43:16Zagorthe dependency generation works as it should, for filter.c too. the problem is that the path to filter_1280_15.c is so long that gcc splits the .o target and .c dependency in two lines, which doesn't yet handle.
23:44:12Zagorit happens to quite a few other files too. I'll fix this now.
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23:44:36Zagorwell spotted though!
23:45:04gevaertsZagor: make clean;make `pwd`/apps/menus/playback_menu.o reproduces the problem without having to do a full build. It still works right on my 32bit etch install though
23:46:44Zagoryeah, I'll do some tests on a 64-bit machine and see if I can pin it down
23:47:17gevaertsIt does look like a make bug to me
23:47:29Zagorugh, not another one :-(
23:48:30gevaertsI can't think of anything else here
23:49:10Zagorhmm, make `pwd`/apps/menus/playback_menu.o doesn't reproduce it on my x86_64 machine
23:49:48gevaertsAfter a make clean?
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23:50:25*gevaerts wonders what to blame then
23:51:00Zagormy box isn't terribly up-to-date, but at least is has make 3.81
23:51:15gevaertsIt's not as if anything else than make has any decision in this
23:51:31Zagorwell it could be some library function
23:52:03Zagorotoh make doesn't use much other than libc...
23:52:19*BigBambi waits for gevaerts to blaim perl :)
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23:53:02*gevaerts can't think of a way for even perl to cause this :)
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