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| 00:00:58 | gevaerts | Bagder: ping |
| 00:01:08 | bertrik | kugel, did you also try it with SDA #defines as 5? |
| 00:01:32 | kugel | bertrik: the lcd driver sets pin 5 |
| 00:01:39 | kugel | unlikely that this one will owrk |
| 00:01:41 | kugel | work* |
| 00:01:55 | bertrik | I think there's a bit of a bug in funman's patch, it passes an int pointer where a byte pointer is expected, don't know if this has any actual impact |
| 00:02:14 | kugel | no, it doesn't |
| 00:02:30 | kugel | I tried changing that |
| 00:02:35 | bluebrother | helpo: please define "weird instructions" |
| 00:02:37 | advcomp2019 | helpo, the wiki has the step for the e200R |
| 00:02:58 | bertrik | actually, at least you get a value other than 0 or 255, which indicates that there is an actual device somewhere responding to out request |
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| 00:03:08 | kugel | helpo: we just know unknown instruction, so I guess we cannot help |
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| 00:03:32 | * | kugel was kidding |
| 00:03:46 | * | bluebrother didn't understand this joke |
| 00:05:24 | kugel | bertrik: possibly. funman said I shall try different delays, the -4 indicates a failed read |
| 00:05:27 | * | amiconn had yet another hard freeze experience on his H180 today :\\ |
| 00:05:44 | bertrik | kugel, ah of course |
| 00:07:06 | jhMikeS | amiconn: On SH, using 1u for a shifted bit is more efficient? I should check the kernel. |
| 00:07:33 | helpo | ok |
| 00:08:00 | bluebrother | helpo: please explain your problem |
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| 00:09:32 | * | gevaerts seems to not have been running a current build after all... |
| 00:09:44 | jhMikeS | hrm, nothing shifty there without priority |
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| 00:10:38 | helpo | alright i figured out the problem |
| 00:10:44 | helpo | my device is not supported |
| 00:10:49 | helpo | 'Note: Rockbox doesn’t function on the newer v2 models. They can be identified by b checking the Sandisk firmware version number under Settings!Info. The v1 firmware is named 01.xx.xx, while the v2 firmware begins with 03.' |
| 00:11:25 | helpo | i have version 2 and i was fallowig all the directions correctly but rockbox was not detecting my media player |
| 00:11:35 | kugel | bertrik: what delay would you think is sufficient? |
| 00:11:48 | gevaerts | helpo: that would indeed explain things |
| 00:12:06 | kugel | bertrik: I also tried this one { int old = TIMER1_VALUE; while(TIMER1_VALUE + 4 > old) ; } as posted by funman a little later, same results though |
| 00:12:09 | jhMikeS | gevaerts: I don't know if what I committed makes any difference for mrobe100. It didn't matter for GBF but it's more correct anyway. |
| 00:12:09 | bertrik | kugel, try something very slow, i2c can't really be too slow, so perhaps increase it by a factor 100 |
| 00:12:17 | helpo | awwww, the sad part is that rockbox wont work... ;[ |
| 00:12:54 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: testing now |
| 00:13:09 | rasher | helpo: Work is underway to support the v2 models, but it's still far from ready |
| 00:13:29 | helpo | any talk about dates? |
| 00:13:45 | helpo | version 3 came out so i though it would be supported.... |
| 00:14:39 | saratoga | version 3 predates the first V2 code I believe, so no suprise it didn't add support |
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| 00:18:34 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: I can't reproduce the problem at all anymore. This seems to be a bit more random than I thought at first |
| 00:19:59 | jhMikeS | no check between r19409 and r19410 to see it that really mattered? |
| 00:21:20 | gevaerts | I tried r19410, r19396 (latest daily), and 3.0, and it now always works |
| 00:21:57 | jhMikeS | maybe mrobes need some time to warm up? :p |
| 00:22:21 | * | gevaerts thought the same :) |
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| 00:23:46 | * | gevaerts finds something |
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| 00:25:06 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: in 3.0, if the headphones are plugged in while booting, it works. If they are plugged in later, it fails. Now trying other versions |
| 00:25:25 | bluebrother | Bagder: can we get content-type: text/plain for diff and patch files on the tracker? |
| 00:25:52 | MTughan | Just installed Rockbox on my iPod yesterday, seems to work. But I just replaced some files, and the old ones still show up. Does an iPod cache file names, does Rockbox, or is something else going on? |
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| 00:27:08 | bluebrother | MTughan: seems you haven't set the database to auto-update |
| 00:27:26 | MTughan | bluebrother: I just forced it to update, and the old files show up in the file view as well. |
| 00:27:47 | MTughan | Although Auto Update wasn't on, thanks for the tip. |
| 00:28:11 | gevaerts | MTughan: also enable dircache, for even better auto-update (I think) |
| 00:28:44 | MTughan | gevaerts: All right, I'll look it up. |
| 00:28:44 | pixelma | I believe update and auto-update don't detect deleted files if the database is not set to "Load to RAM" |
| 00:28:55 | bluebrother | didn't auto-update require dircache? |
| 00:29:02 | pixelma | or however that option is called |
| 00:29:31 | pixelma | bluebrother: no, I think it's "just" slow without |
| 00:30:01 | MTughan | Oh, I forgot to copy over the files in one directory, happened to be the one I was looking in... Others updated fine. |
| 00:30:14 | MTughan | Well, thanks for the help and database config flags at least. :P |
| 00:33:01 | MTughan | And dircache is enabled... One more thing. Is there any "soft-off" mode in Rockbox, so the player doesn't have to load from scratch every time? |
| 00:33:22 | saratoga | nope |
| 00:33:42 | MTughan | Well, Vorbis and FLAC playback override that... Thanks for the help. |
| 00:33:46 | Unhelpful | i know that the beast HW at least supports some sort of suspend, since the OF uses it. :/ |
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| 00:34:00 | Unhelpful | some of the ipods don't have a "real" off, do they? |
| 00:34:19 | saratoga | before the 3G they do not |
| 00:34:24 | pixelma | the 1st and 2nd generation don't |
| 00:34:42 | * | gevaerts now doesn't understand this bug at all anymore |
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| 00:36:53 | gevaerts | I could reproduce this earphone-while-booting in 3.0, r19396, and r19410 for a while, but now it suddenly always works again |
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| 00:40:16 | jhMikeS | gevaerts: perhaps the initial state isn't read at boot? |
| 00:40:36 | jhMikeS | it has hp detection? |
| 00:40:40 | gevaerts | yes |
| 00:46:44 | amiconn | jhMikeS: It's a little more complex than that. SH1 has no shift-by-n instructions, only fixed shifts. So libgcc provides subroutines for shift-by-n |
| 00:47:24 | amiconn | There are 3 of those: arithmetic right shift, logical right shift, and arithmetical left shift (which is identical to logical left shift of course) |
| 00:47:24 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: I added FS #9628, which has all the information I know |
| 00:49:14 | amiconn | There are two points to consider. (1) Logical right shift by n is a bit more efficient than arithmetical, due to the available instructions. (2) If it is possible to get rid of any of these 3 completely, a bit of binsize will be saved, because the corresponding libgcc routine will no longer be linked |
| 00:49:24 | jhMikeS | gevaerts: doesn't sound like something I can address without a device. |
| 00:50:05 | jhMikeS | amiconn: It always uses a function or inlines simple instanes (like division). |
| 00:50:09 | amiconn | That said, with r19409 all uses of arithmetical right shift by n are already removed, so __ashrsi3 is no longer included in the rockbox core. |
| 00:50:10 | jhMikeS | *on ARM |
| 00:50:15 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: I guess your initial state theory is not improbable. I'll see if I can get at it tomorrow |
| 00:50:53 | Unhelpful | amiconn: to a certain degree, we can try to make all logical shifts left, or right, by changing which operand is shifted... |
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| 00:51:20 | Unhelpful | there are going to be expressions that doesn't work for, and it'd be a pain to go through all the shifts in RB, i'd think... :/ |
| 00:51:46 | amiconn | But of course you could still save a tiny amount of binsize and execution time on SH by using logical right shifts instead of arithmetical ones where possible |
| 00:52:12 | amiconn | I mean fixed shifts - the variable ones are already optimised this way. |
| 00:52:43 | amiconn | E.g. >> 4 translates to 2 instructions for unsigned, but 4 instructions for signed |
| 00:53:30 | Unhelpful | amiconn: you've explained an oddity that i encountered trying to compact the bmp reader a bit - it seemed that the 15/16 bit cases could be merged by using calculated shifts - but you say makes it clear that it would be cheaper on SH to branch the code and use fixed. |
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| 00:57:56 | Unhelpful | *what* you say. |
| 00:58:12 | amiconn | Unhelpful: Depends - if the fixed shift would need too many instructions when inlined (I don't know the exact limit gcc uses), that fixed shift will also be turned in a subroutine call (though without a parameter) |
| 00:59:33 | rasher | I agrees with Zagor about the database app (PCTOOL) - basically create a version of the sim with a tiny main() routine and accepting some commandline arguments |
| 00:59:41 | rasher | Would be easier to maintain |
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| 01:00:10 | amiconn | If you see calls to e.g. __ashiftrt_r4_NN (NN being a number from 1 to 31), this is what I mean |
| 01:00:28 | bluebrother | isn't the main problem that nobody is actively maintaining the database app? |
| 01:00:57 | bluebrother | we could consider adding database building to rbutil. In that case a small sim wouldn't be too helpful |
| 01:01:08 | Unhelpful | amiconn: urgh, that could lead to terrible space-efficiency, if all of those functions are being copied into the object at link :/ |
| 01:01:32 | amiconn | Those functions are actually interleaved code |
| 01:02:14 | Unhelpful | something along the lines of a series of single shifts with a label at each instruction, basically? |
| 01:02:16 | rasher | bluebrother: Making it a, say 25-line "patch" to the sim would make it so much easier to maintain |
| 01:02:31 | rasher | bluebrother: I don't see how the current situation makes things any easier for rbutil |
| 01:02:53 | amiconn | The whole bunch of __ashiftrt_r4_0 to __ashiftrt_r4_31 totals 41 instructions (82 bytes) |
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| 01:04:08 | amiconn | Yes, with some special cases short-circuiting >>31, >>24 (and up) and >>16 (and up) |
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| 01:27:17 | midgey | rasher: around? |
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| 01:28:15 | rasher | midgey: for a short while |
| 01:28:35 | midgey | i've been looking at some of the lang updates on the tracker |
| 01:28:42 | midgey | i'd like to get them in before 3.1 |
| 01:28:50 | amiconn | wtf? Gcc uses __ashrsi3 for a variable shift (in the grelib) where clearly all involved variables are unsigned!? |
| 01:29:49 | rasher | midgey: What else besides FS #9553? |
| 01:29:54 | amiconn | Doesn't matter much, but it's really strange behaviour... |
| 01:30:42 | midgey | FS #9239 and FS #9587 (if we can get the patch to apply) |
| 01:32:14 | rasher | Ah yes, I guess we might as well add the turkish one. Maybe someone should check if there's anything in the old one that's not in the new one, since it's translated from scratch |
| 01:32:39 | rasher | I'd be happy to have FS #9587, but I've no idea what's happened to that patch |
| 01:33:01 | midgey | i looked at fixing it manually, but it's way too huge |
| 01:34:02 | Unhelpful | amiconn: tbh, i really didn't understand the purpose of that transformation it performed in ata.c... it turned a left shift into a right one, and if the code had been taken as written, there wouldn't be a need for worrying about sign :/ |
| 01:34:24 | midgey | i'm looking at the turkish one right now, it looks like some of the voice strings are gone |
| 01:35:02 | amiconn | Transforming it into a right shift saves a register |
| 01:35:36 | midgey | err, scratch what i just said, i formed the patch backwards |
| 01:36:56 | amiconn | Anyway, gcc sometimes produces weird and inefficient code. The greylib code I was looking into (grey_mono_bitmap_part inner loop and surroundings) is just one example... |
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| 01:37:59 | amiconn | Rather more often than just sometimes... |
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| 01:39:36 | Unhelpful | amiconn: saves a register at the cost of requiring a static library symbol that was unneeded before, but gcc doesn't do inter-object-file optimization yet :/ |
| 01:40:18 | amiconn | Well, one static library symbol is needed either way, just not the same. The left shift would need __ashlsi3 |
| 01:41:56 | Unhelpful | right, and gcc can't make a smart decision about it, unless it learns to revisit that decision at link time. |
| 01:43:59 | amiconn | gcc isn't involved at all in linking |
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| 01:50:30 | Unhelpful | strictly binutils at that stage, right... :| |
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| 01:57:54 | midgey | rasher: it looks like the turkish patch does lose a few strings |
| 01:58:15 | midgey | it also has a lot of untranslated english |
| 01:58:18 | rasher | midgey: Maybe it's worth it to construct a script that merges the two.. I'll look into it |
| 01:58:41 | rasher | And remove strings that are identical to english as well |
| 01:58:49 | midgey | well, the ids are there, they've just been replaced with english |
| 01:59:29 | midgey | he also likes to use Title Case a lot |
| 01:59:32 | rasher | Should be possible to get a reasonable result with an automatic merge if it compares to the english phrase as well to see which one has it right |
| 01:59:44 | rasher | I think that's less of an issue |
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| 02:00:05 | midgey | i wasn't sure if we had a consensus on that |
| 02:00:33 | rasher | He probably shouldn't use it, but it's not a deal-breaker |
| 02:01:12 | rasher | Just tried the portuguese patch against all revisions of portuguese to see if my site had an old revision for some mad reason - still doesn't apply |
| 02:01:30 | midgey | i tried a few old revisions |
| 02:01:47 | pixelma | are you sure how cases are handled in Turkish? Just saying because there are some languages that do differently (well at least German does ;) ) |
| 02:02:00 | rasher | pixelma: I did say probably |
| 02:02:10 | midgey | it's inconsistent at least |
| 02:02:22 | midgey | but i have no idea how turkish works :) |
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| 02:03:38 | pixelma | I bet you'll find words in German which are verbs (then spelled lower case) and also nouns (upper case), but don't know a thing about Turkish... |
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| 02:04:03 | midgey | i suppose it's best to trust the translator |
| 02:05:12 | pixelma | maybe ask directly about this? |
| 02:05:30 | rasher | Hrm, I think the portuguese can be mostly saved, actually |
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| 02:06:04 | midgey | you figured out why it's not applying? |
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| 02:06:29 | rasher | Not really, no |
| 02:06:48 | rasher | But most of the failing bits is all additions |
| 02:07:07 | slact | hey, is anyone interested in a black-background version of the EscapeBoD 2 theme for ipod 5G ? |
| 02:08:39 | slact | http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dump081212200532ng8.png , http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/9377/dump081212200020jj1.png , http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/2613/dump081212200104ej9.png |
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| 02:09:37 | slact | it's just luminance-inverted but with non-inverted button gradients |
| 02:09:51 | slact | (and minor tweaks-to-taste) |
| 02:12:56 | Unhelpful | does that need multifont, or is the small text all sysfont? |
| 02:13:42 | slact | neither |
| 02:13:42 | rasher | Looks like sysfont |
| 02:13:50 | slact | (yteah, it's a sysfont) |
| 02:14:04 | slact | (sorry, the "neither" was to adifferent conversation) |
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| 02:47:48 | * | rasher fixed the portuguese patch |
| 02:48:31 | rasher | Still no flaming idea what went wrong |
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| 02:53:17 | jhMikeS | gevaerts: what's the cleanup function for usb storage? I need to undo audio_get_buffer. |
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| 02:55:09 | MarcGuay | jhMikeS: LIttle problem with the keyclick/recording fix. It doesn't reactivate after you leave the recording screen. |
| 02:55:25 | MarcGuay | Only by restarting playback does it come back into effect. |
| 02:55:33 | jhMikeS | MarcGuay: I was just fixing that right now. |
| 02:55:44 | MarcGuay | Roger. |
| 02:57:25 | MarcGuay | Is it considered normal that if you scroll quickly it doesn't click for every entry you pass? (with Keyclick Repeats set to Off, at least) |
| 02:58:05 | jhMikeS | if repeats are off, yes it's normal |
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| 03:08:59 | * | jhMikeS wonders if wheel messages shouldn't just ignore that setting |
| 03:09:01 | rasher | midgey: Got it. No idea what happened though. |
| 03:09:11 | midgey | i noticed |
| 03:09:33 | midgey | i was trying mess with the patch by hand. i'm not sure what was wrong |
| 03:09:45 | rasher | If you check the diff, you see that it's vaguely different from the one he posted in some "from"-lines |
| 03:10:13 | rasher | Like there were edits to the original portugues.lang, which seems odd though |
| 03:10:14 | rasher | Oh well |
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| 03:11:10 | midgey | odd, i tried copy and pasting from the original lang file into the diff and rebuilding it manually. didin't seem to help |
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| 03:11:28 | Xillius | hello guys |
| 03:11:41 | MTughan | Rockbox can play FLAC files, right? Because it doesn't seem to be. |
| 03:12:00 | Xillius | anyone knows about an xm/mod plugin support for rockbox sansa ? |
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| 03:14:16 | Unhelpful | MTughan: can you be a bit more specific than that? it supports flac on all targets with software decoding, as far as i know. |
| 03:14:59 | MTughan | I'm running an iPod 5th gen (aka Video), with the latest stable of Rockbox. The FLAC files were transcoded from AIFF by ffmpeg. |
| 03:15:27 | MTughan | Rockbox just seems to skip by all the files in the folder without actually playing any of them. |
| 03:15:36 | scorche | Xillius: mod should play fine... |
| 03:16:26 | Unhelpful | and there are no messages displayed at all about what happens? in my experience, when it fails to decode something, it says why... |
| 03:16:41 | MTughan | It just stays on the frontend. |
| 03:17:25 | MTughan | Displays the file name for the title, but the artist and album fields read "(root)". |
| 03:17:50 | Xillius | scorche |
| 03:17:56 | Xillius | by default it should play it ? |
| 03:17:57 | pixelma | MTughan: do you know how your .flac files are tagged (which tag format)? |
| 03:18:13 | MTughan | pixelma: Not sure. I used VLC to save the metadata. |
| 03:18:17 | scorche | Xillius: mod support was added back in May |
| 03:18:47 | Xillius | yeah havent updated since then... |
| 03:18:50 | Xillius | thanks for the info |
| 03:19:23 | Xillius | any idea about xm/it ? |
| 03:19:43 | scorche | Xillius: next time please update before you come in here to ask... |
| 03:21:45 | MTughan | pixelma: Does the container format matter to Rockbox? I used OGG. |
| 03:22:26 | Unhelpful | definitely, rockbox generally only supports whatever the "native" container is for a codec |
| 03:22:50 | scorche | Xillius: i am not sure about xm or it...i know there is a patch in the tracker though |
| 03:23:03 | MTughan | Unhelpful: As I know, OGG is the one used with FLAC. |
| 03:23:24 | Unhelpful | MTughan: no, flac has it's own native format. |
| 03:23:31 | scorche | http://flac.sourceforge.net/faq.html#general__native_vs_ogg |
| 03:24:08 | Unhelpful | the ogg container thing is something that got added when it was incorporated into the xiph codec family, and there's really no benefit from it except for slightly larger files that play on fewer devices. |
| 03:24:09 | MTughan | Thanks scorche. |
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| 03:28:25 | slact | i'm trying to register on the rockbox TWiki, and it's giving me a bad error when I enter the validation code |
| 03:28:46 | MTughan | Hmm, using the FLAC container still doesn't seem to be working. |
| 03:28:51 | slact | something about it not having write permissions |
| 03:29:57 | Unhelpful | how did you convert them? |
| 03:30:17 | MTughan | I used ffmpeg. Want the output options? |
| 03:31:13 | Unhelpful | if you named the output file .flac, and didn't go out of your way to force a container format, it should be right. why not use the reference encoder, though? |
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| 03:31:33 | MTughan | Where's the reference encoder? I just used ffmpeg out of convenience. |
| 03:31:59 | MTughan | I guess off the FLAC SF.net page, eh... |
| 03:32:07 | Unhelpful | the one that comes from flac.sf.net. generally the binary is named "flac", or "flac.exe" on windows |
| 03:32:23 | MTughan | I'm running on OS X, so a BSD underbed. |
| 03:33:08 | Unhelpful | i'm not sure what the "right" way is to get flac installed on OS X |
| 03:33:30 | MTughan | There seems to be command line tools available. I'm downloading them now, will explore. |
| 03:33:47 | Unhelpful | good luck |
| 03:34:21 | Unhelpful | we should probably move this to #rockbox-community, it's become a conversion issue, now that we've established that the problem was probably the ogg container. |
| 03:34:50 | MTughan | Maybe. They play fine in VLC. |
| 03:35:34 | Unhelpful | yes, ogg flac will play fine in vlc, to my knowledge, but it won't in rockbox |
| 03:36:01 | MTughan | Yeah, I could see that. I'll see how far I get with the reference encoder. |
| 03:41:26 | MTughan | Nice, that seems to work. Thanks Unhelpful. |
| 03:41:35 | MTughan | Even keeps the metadata from the original... |
| 03:42:02 | Unhelpful | glad it worked. enjoy your rockbox :D |
| 03:42:14 | MTughan | I imagine I will... |
| 03:43:17 | slact | ...so any ideas on TWiki erroring out on registration? |
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| 04:19:08 | slact | TWiki detected an internal error - please check your TWiki logs and webserver logs for more information. |
| 04:19:10 | slact | RCS: failed to create file path: Permission denied |
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| 04:55:38 | slact | ..maybe i just neeed write access or something?... |
| 04:55:41 | slact | who do i ask for that? |
| 04:57:46 | Unhelpful | you need to be registered to *get* write access... |
| 04:58:27 | slact | maybe i did register... |
| 04:58:51 | slact | i can't tell, it just gives me a blank plage when i try to attach stuff |
| 04:59:39 | Unhelpful | oh, now, for that, you do need write access |
| 04:59:56 | Unhelpful | you really don't know if you're registered or not? :/ |
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| 05:00:43 | slact | well, it gave me that error when i entered the emailed validation code |
| 05:01:12 | slact | but it didn't say "GTFO" when i logged in. just blank pages when i try to attach, it seems... |
| 05:01:31 | Unhelpful | if you're able to log in, i would say you're registered. |
| 05:03:44 | slact | might you be able to point me to the login page? |
| 05:04:26 | slact | ooh, wait |
| 05:04:34 | slact | it's giving a normal Acess Denied error now, i think... |
| 05:05:20 | Unhelpful | try to edit a page? |
| 05:05:48 | slact | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/oops/TWiki/WikiName?template=oopsaccessdenied;def=topic_access;param1=change;param2=access%20not%20allowed%20on%20web |
| 05:05:56 | slact | that looks stateless, so i think the link'll work |
| 05:07:04 | Unhelpful | did you register with first+last name, as suggested? |
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| 05:07:21 | slact | yes, got a validation email and everything |
| 05:07:27 | Unhelpful | try http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FirstnameLastname |
| 05:07:39 | Unhelpful | (obviously with your names) |
| 05:07:50 | slact | then it doesn't exist |
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| 05:10:05 | Unhelpful | hrm. maybe try the email provided, if you seem to be unable to complete your registration? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/TWiki/TWikiRegistration |
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| 05:12:05 | slact | i'm not sure what you mean |
| 05:12:59 | Unhelpful | if that page doesn't exist, you're not a registered user. there's an email at the bottom of the registration page for issues. |
| 05:13:23 | slact | ah, that |
| 05:13:32 | slact | guess that's what i'll do then... |
| 05:13:35 | slact | thanque. |
| 05:14:10 | Unhelpful | he's on irc as well, so you could ask Bagder... probably should take it to the community channel, though, this is getting less and less about rockbox itself by the minute |
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| 05:14:35 | slact | yep... |
| 05:16:49 | jhulst | slact: What's your wiki name? |
| 05:17:23 | slact | LeoP . Against the rules for the moment, i know... |
| 05:18:06 | slact | (i don't much care if the name gets deleted, i'm just trying to post a theme) |
| 05:18:19 | jhulst | slact: Per the registration page, you have to ask for write permissions in this channel |
| 05:18:32 | jhulst | slact: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/edit/Main/WebHome?t=1229141862, Step 2 |
| 05:18:49 | jhulst | Register with the correct name and I'll give you write access |
| 05:18:53 | slact | yes, but TWiki gave mea a mean error when i entered the activation code provided in the email |
| 05:19:09 | slact | so i wasn't sure if it was time for Step @ yet. |
| 05:19:37 | Unhelpful | and you're quite unlikely to get them if you're not going to follow the registration rules. we need to know who actually contributes things to the wiki, especially stuff like themes, primarily because of copyright issues. |
| 05:19:52 | jhulst | slact: Try registering with the correct name and I'll give you access, we'll see if that works |
| 05:21:04 | slact | very well. http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LeoPalmer |
| 05:23:05 | slact | ( that is, my wiki username should be LeoPalmer ) |
| 05:25:29 | Llorean | You need to go through registration with that name. |
| 05:26:02 | slact | i did. |
| 05:26:48 | Llorean | Have you received a confirmation email for your attempt to register with the name "LeoPalmer" (NOT your LeoP attempt) yet? |
| 05:27:07 | scorche | Llorean: yes...see back-log.. |
| 05:27:32 | Llorean | scorche: He responded to jhulst's "What's your wiki name?" question with "LeoP" though |
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| 05:30:42 | Llorean | scorche: I just wanted to be sure the registration with the new name was actually complete. |
| 05:31:53 | slact | well, that's what's in question |
| 05:32:10 | Llorean | slact: So did you receive a confirmation email for the LeoPalmer name? |
| 05:32:13 | slact | yes. |
| 05:32:27 | slact | and entered the validation code. and it gave me a mean error. |
| 05:33:10 | slact | TWiki detected an internal error - please check your TWiki logs and webserver logs for more information. RCS: failed to create file path: Permission denied |
| 05:33:54 | slact | trying to enter the code a second time, however, sends me to a normal "code invalid" page. So clearly it did /something/, just not sure what. |
| 05:33:59 | * | scorche nods and sits around for certain people to wake up |
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| 06:12:45 | slact | well, anyway, slact.net/miscellanea/EscapeBod-black.zip">http://slact.net/miscellanea/EscapeBod-black.zip is the theme i wanted to upload. If someone else cares to do it, be my guest. |
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| 07:04:07 | Unhelpful | amiconn: so, you said coldfire has a div instruction, and arm does not. i see that sh1 does? what about a different brightness() for arm, with three multiplies and a shift instead of two and a div? |
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| 07:42:49 | J-23 | hm, what's "Eraser" build? |
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| 08:08:01 | Duchess | Hi I'm having an issue using ipodpatcher, if someone feels up to helping me out. |
| 08:12:24 | Llorean | Duchess: Did RBUtil fail to work for you? |
| 08:15:09 | Duchess | Well, heh, thing is I'm actually trying to use it as a general tool not really related to rockbox, but I figured since I found the download off the rockbox website, I would ask you guys about my issue. |
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| 08:16:32 | Llorean | Duchess: Well, it's much less likely anyone will be able to help with questions about using it for things it's not meant to. |
| 08:17:03 | Duchess | No no, I'm not trying to use it inappropriately, ipodpatcher *is* a general-purpose tool |
| 08:17:36 | Duchess | I'm trying to use it to backup firmware. |
| 08:17:50 | Llorean | From one of the list of supported iPods? |
| 08:17:56 | Duchess | Yup. |
| 08:17:59 | Llorean | So what's the problem? |
| 08:18:49 | Duchess | Is it okay if I copy-paste the output? |
| 08:18:58 | Llorean | use a site like pastebin.ca |
| 08:19:09 | Llorean | The channel guidelines are pretty clear what to do about multi-line pastes. |
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| 08:19:59 | Duchess | http://pastebin.com/d5f15a306 |
| 08:20:22 | Llorean | Did you try "sudo ./ipodpatcher" instead then? |
| 08:20:34 | Duchess | I tried with no luck |
| 08:20:56 | Llorean | It gives you the exact same message about permissions even when run with su? |
| 08:22:08 | Duchess | No it gets stranger if I do it that way, for some reason it won't even recognize the command |
| 08:22:50 | Llorean | Are you doing it from the location the executable is actually located in, or at least typing the correct path to it? |
| 08:23:29 | Duchess | I type the right path, yeah. |
| 08:23:45 | Llorean | If it doesn't recognize the command, you're typing something wrong. |
| 08:23:51 | Llorean | Since that's your shell reporting the error, and not iPodpatcher. |
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| 08:24:07 | Duchess | I might be, though I'm just stumped why it's not working at the outset anyway. |
| 08:24:16 | Llorean | Because you don't have the required permissions. |
| 08:24:18 | Llorean | It can't work without them. |
| 08:24:55 | Duchess | Huh. Weird. |
| 08:25:04 | Llorean | What's weird about it? |
| 08:25:13 | Llorean | There are certain restrictions OSes put on what applications can do. |
| 08:25:33 | Unhelpful | normal users do not have acces to raw disk devices, normally. that would be insecure and dangerous |
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| 08:26:06 | Duchess | True, I think the main issue is that I'm doing this at almost 2:30am, haha. |
| 08:26:19 | write_erase | Hi... do rockbox support remote control serial protocol ? |
| 08:26:40 | ameyer | strangely, I *think* my debian setup gives me raw disk access *shudder* |
| 08:27:01 | Llorean | write_erase: What player do you have? |
| 08:27:33 | write_erase | ipod 3rd gen ... which has serial IIRC |
| 08:28:05 | Llorean | There's no support for it at all in Rockbox. |
| 08:28:52 | write_erase | There is manual here: http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml -> iPod 3rd gen |
| 08:29:02 | write_erase | Why not supported ? |
| 08:29:06 | Llorean | No support for *serial* on it. |
| 08:29:13 | Duchess | Alright well, thanks for the help guys, I'll tinker with this for a while and if it doesn't work I'll give it up. |
| 08:29:18 | * | Duchess waves |
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| 08:29:38 | write_erase | you mean the rockbox firmware don't support serial remote control ? |
| 08:29:47 | Llorean | Not on the 3G iPod. |
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| 08:30:11 | write_erase | not 3G ipod but ipod Gen3 |
| 08:30:25 | Llorean | 3G means "3rd Gen" |
| 08:30:27 | write_erase | ok |
| 08:30:43 | write_erase | does the remote works on other devices ? |
| 08:31:03 | Llorean | Some devices with remotes have support, yes. |
| 08:31:15 | Llorean | Plus there's some experimental work being done for newer iPods. |
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| 08:33:04 | write_erase | Where can I get the feature chart ? so I can see what' supported ? |
| 08:33:24 | J-23 | What targets support lcd_set_{back,fore}ground? |
| 08:34:31 | Llorean | write_erase: What feature chart? |
| 08:34:47 | Llorean | There's just the features in the manual |
| 08:35:07 | Llorean | J-23: I believe any that are more than 1bpp, but I'm not certain. |
| 08:35:23 | J-23 | should it work on simulator? |
| 08:35:33 | Llorean | Yes. |
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| 08:35:48 | * | J-23 thinks what is he doing wrong |
| 08:35:50 | * | amiconn points J-23 to the helpful wiki |
| 08:36:15 | amiconn | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GraphicsAPI |
| 08:37:11 | Unhelpful | write_erase: you could try here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceChart |
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| 08:50:53 | J-23 | I set colors with lcd_set_{fore,back}ground, but I still all colors are as in theme |
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| 08:56:57 | lucent | I own a Sansa Clip and Sansa Fuze 8GB now :) |
| 08:57:17 | lucent | is either hardware of interest to capable developers? |
| 08:57:19 | Unhelpful | amiconn: it's been bumped off the bottom by all the bugfixing, but the gain was on the order of 4.5KB on color targets, and i think closer to 1.5-2KB on greyscale |
| 08:57:23 | lucent | I don't need both |
| 08:57:34 | amiconn | Unhelpful: My point is that we have smooth scaling, we should offer it on all targets that can afford it |
| 08:57:47 | amiconn | The greyscale targets certainly belong to this group |
| 08:58:19 | Unhelpful | you think so? it wouldn't be hard to code that, a quick clone-and-hack job. |
| 08:58:20 | amiconn | And while the greyscale LCDs are merely 2bpp, you get a higher effective depth through dithering in the wps, but that's not my only point |
| 08:59:00 | amiconn | If the bmp reader + scaler would allow a pluggable output stage, coverflow could use the greylib on greyscale targets, for an effective depth of ~7bpp |
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| 09:00:26 | Unhelpful | amiconn: doesn't yet, but that's a matter of adding a function pointer w/ the same signature as resize_on_load to bmp_read_* |
| 09:00:31 | amiconn | The greylib currently has no bmp loader, a fact that I wanted to change for a long time already :/ |
| 09:01:00 | amiconn | Hmm, I'd prefer the data post-resizing |
| 09:01:21 | amiconn | I.e. load, smoothly resize, and then pass the data to the output stage |
| 09:01:42 | Unhelpful | what i'm saying is you could have an 8-bit greyscale resizer in pluginlib |
| 09:01:43 | amiconn | Think of the greylib as just another pixel format |
| 09:02:24 | amiconn | Actually the simplest one you can think of. Just 8bpp in natural order. |
| 09:02:34 | Unhelpful | right now the inside loop of the scalers is direct-output in a target format... although, they do both generate whole lines at a time, we could add an output_line function... |
| 09:02:48 | amiconn | AH, hmm |
| 09:03:05 | Unhelpful | sorry, actually, nearest doesn't, but you're talking about doing away with nearest, pretty much. |
| 09:03:22 | amiconn | Not sure whether it's worth having this in the core then, but imho it would then make sense to share the source file between core and pluginlib |
| 09:05:03 | Unhelpful | well, if we support smooth scaling on greyscale targets, there's really only one scaler, then. we can pass an output_line function in that copies lines to the target bitmap |
| 09:05:30 | Unhelpful | the one in core can be 2bpp or 16bpp, depending on target, and an 8bpp greyscale can be in pluginlib |
| 09:05:38 | lucent | weird, I see a patch supporting radio mode on Sansa Clip - I thought that rockbox wasn't able to run on the Clip though due to limited resources? |
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| 09:06:09 | Llorean | lucent: Rockbox is actually coming along nicely on the clip |
| 09:06:30 | lucent | wha? :) I would like to try, if it is "reasonably" safe to revert |
| 09:06:40 | Llorean | You'll need to compile the tools and stuff for yourself. |
| 09:06:43 | lucent | my Sansa Clip 2GB is now my 2nd player |
| 09:06:51 | lucent | yeah I could figure that part out |
| 09:06:57 | lucent | I'm surprised though |
| 09:07:13 | lucent | how does the interface work on that tiny little display :P |
| 09:07:26 | Llorean | It's still just a list of text, like it is on anything else. |
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| 09:07:41 | lucent | thanks for that info |
| 09:07:57 | lucent | has it gotten far enough to play back audio? |
| 09:08:21 | Unhelpful | we could use exactly the *same* scaler if we always scale in color, and then convert to greyscale only at output... i wish i'd kept my multiply counts for the color scaler, i could try to figure which was more efficient :/ |
| 09:08:24 | Llorean | lucent: A little bit. |
| 09:08:30 | * | lucent smiles :) |
| 09:08:30 | Llorean | It usually crashes after a short period of playing |
| 09:08:53 | lucent | if another user testing the code is handy, I will try |
| 09:09:01 | amiconn | Unhelpful: I'd think that scaling in greyscale would be faster |
| 09:09:18 | Llorean | lucent: We need more people actually working on it. Investigating the code and figuring out where the crashes are happening, and why |
| 09:10:22 | lucent | oh, I'm a good bug tester but not much of a coder then |
| 09:10:25 | Unhelpful | amiconn: well, remember, brightness costs 3 multiplies, though... and the smooth scaler doesn't actually have any per-input-pixel multiplies, right now. |
| 09:11:02 | amiconn | hmm |
| 09:11:13 | amiconn | That'd be an interesting comparison |
| 09:11:29 | lucent | trying to find out how to check out the rockbox code that I would need to build to get a clip firmware |
| 09:11:42 | lucent | where on the rockbox website is that information mentioned? |
| 09:12:16 | Unhelpful | i need to do some work here, but i'll be back in a bit, and recount those multiplies first :) |
| 09:12:30 | Llorean | lucent: If you just follow the link to the wiki, the main page should contain links to an awful lot of useful pages. |
| 09:13:08 | lucent | Llorean: wiki, got it. thanks |
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| 09:17:12 | lucent | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowToCompile is what I am looking for :) |
| 09:21:24 | lucent | Llorean: is Clip an ARM core? |
| 09:21:59 | Llorean | yes |
| 09:22:08 | lucent | great! |
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| 09:26:08 | jhMikeS | n1s: I have a nice FM menu item on my beast but I can only listen to God on it (cosmic background radiation). :d |
| 09:26:41 | n1s | jhMikeS: hmmm |
| 09:27:42 | n1s | i think i get worse reception on the beast then the h300 but it's hard to tell because fm is kind of weak here |
| 09:27:44 | jhMikeS | hmmm, weird. I take that back, it's tuning now. :\ |
| 09:27:55 | n1s | oh :) |
| 09:29:10 | jhMikeS | Still, strange volume leaps when switching regions. |
| 09:29:49 | n1s | jhMikeS: that is the softmute, when it decides it is not tuned to a valid station it drops the volume by 16dB so it's actually a feature |
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| 09:30:49 | n1s | but it is kind of weird because it is supposed to set a bit to tell if you are on a valid station but that seems to never get set... |
| 09:30:50 | jhMikeS | But it is tuned. It goes silent or quiet, then when I go back to the screen, it pops back up. |
| 09:33:24 | jhMikeS | n1s: Nice job on the tuner though. Don't let my probing for strange behavior say otherwise. |
| 09:34:01 | n1s | strange, i don't think i've had that but it seems very position dependent so moving just a few cm can mean going fron clear signal to just noise |
| 09:34:18 | n1s | jhMikeS: thanks, and feel free to probe :) |
| 09:35:17 | Unhelpful | amiconn: ok, the color downscaler is 9*dw*sh + 12*dw*dh multiplies |
| 09:35:55 | n1s | i hope i can get proper seeking/scanning working soon but therere's so much to do before christmas :/ |
| 09:36:10 | Unhelpful | calling brightness per output pixel would make that 9*dw*sh +15*dw*dh multiplies |
| 09:37:12 | jhMikeS | n1s: tuning is a bit sticky. you set the proper GPIO settings on the tuner? |
| 09:37:23 | Unhelpful | converting the scaler to work in 8bpp greyscale, and calling brightness on input pixels, means 3*sw*sh + 3*dw*sh + 5*dw*dh |
| 09:37:40 | Unhelpful | erm, sorry, last term is 4*dw*dh. |
| 09:38:27 | n1s | jhMikeS: not sure really, from what i understand the gpios are only for interrupts from the tuner, which we currently do not use |
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| 09:38:31 | jhMikeS | if you didn't then that would explain why the MCU GPIO pins don't register correctly |
| 09:38:55 | n1s | or maybe i don't understand wht you mean :) |
| 09:39:49 | Unhelpful | for input dimensions 2x the output dimensions, that's 2/3 as many multiplies for color->grey->scale, instead of color->scale->grey |
| 09:40:09 | jhMikeS | n1s: You have to set the GPIO lines on the tuner in its registers to be functional was all I was saying. You're probably familiar with that alread. |
| 09:41:15 | n1s | jhMikeS: yeah, ok, as i said i only think they are used for interrupts, do you think setting them up will affect tuning? |
| 09:41:38 | Unhelpful | at 4x, color->grey->scale is about 25% more multiplies... but i hope we're not going to make greyscale targets do that, anyway. |
| 09:42:20 | jhMikeS | n1s: so that loop isn't needed and it could get rid of the sticky feeling from the UI |
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| 09:43:27 | n1s | jhMikeS: aha, yes it can indeed, bertriks patch in FS9611 does this and it works fine, or at least the same |
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| 09:44:22 | jhMikeS | hmmm. and we can avoid i2c traffic to check the mono/stereo bit. |
| 09:45:03 | * | jhMikeS listens to The Doors on 94.7 |
| 09:45:32 | Llorean | Some stations wouldn't come in at all on the Clip radio patch, for me. |
| 09:49:38 | jhMikeS | n1s: we definitely need the volume ranges combined to match pcm. -54db is pretty loud still. |
| 09:50:15 | ameyer | For the record, I just read some of the backlog and just wants to point out with the "read audio data from flash" (FS9322?) patch, the clip is reasonably stable, although there still appear to be some issues with the PCM driver and the sd driver |
| 09:50:32 | n1s | jhMikeS: yes, i just didn't know which volume to use :/ |
| 09:50:50 | n1s | will look at it later, gtg now |
| 09:51:53 | jhMikeS | n1s: The volume attenuates the ADC after min is hit for the HP amp to get a 96dB range. It could actually be much larger than that. |
| 09:52:07 | jhMikeS | *DAC |
| 09:53:47 | Unhelpful | hrm, all of the in-the-loop code would be cut to nearly 1/3 the size, too, i'd imagine... which would bring the smooth scalers on greyscale in line with the cost of the NN scaler now |
| 09:54:50 | * | jhMikeS wonders if a 190dB volume range on the beast would be excessive? |
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| 09:58:05 | ameyer | jhMikeS: pretty much |
| 09:59:27 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Is most of that downward? |
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| 10:00:13 | ameyer | if full scale is 0 dB, -186dB would be full scale * 2^-31 |
| 10:00:40 | jhMikeS | Llorean: -184 to +6 if DAC+HP are combined |
| 10:00:52 | Llorean | jhMikeS: What's the current range? |
| 10:00:57 | ameyer | -190dB would be full scale*10^(-19) |
| 10:01:07 | jhMikeS | Llorean: -90 to +6 |
| 10:01:36 | Llorean | I guess it more or less boils down to "which is most similar to what we do on other players?' |
| 10:01:57 | ameyer | and would be percieved as approximately full scale * 2^-19 IIRC |
| 10:01:58 | jhMikeS | Llorean: The beast is really a loud player though |
| 10:02:03 | Llorean | This is true. |
| 10:02:15 | Llorean | I know the lower limit on the F is just a little higher than I'd personally like it to be, even with my replaygained music. |
| 10:02:34 | Llorean | I don't really see the harm in offering users ridiculous lows, since nothing forces them to go that far down anyway. |
| 10:03:03 | ameyer | maybe a bit of binsize or ram usage, although probably not |
| 10:03:07 | jhMikeS | The line can go in effect -104.25 to +6 combined with HP so it's a good range |
| 10:03:16 | Llorean | ameyer: The beast is a beast in terms of RAM too. |
| 10:03:51 | ameyer | and I'd imagine it'd be miniscule anyway |
| 10:04:02 | ameyer | even on something like the clip with 2 MB |
| 10:08:11 | jhMikeS | Llorean: Really, I've wondered about limiting the maximum on the beast. It's just ridiculously loud at the upper end and my headphones aren't even terribly efficient. |
| 10:11:12 | Llorean | jhMikeS: People on other players ask us occasionally if we can make it louder. |
| 10:11:26 | Llorean | I say we give them the freedom to deafen themselves, if they feel they really must. |
| 10:12:52 | Unhelpful | jhMikeS: don't forget car adaptors and the like - one of ours is quite quiet, and needs either the beast up to -10, or the stereo up well above where it's used for other channels. |
| 10:12:56 | jhMikeS | I blasted myself by mistake once though just because I forgot I had it cranked. :p |
| 10:13:19 | Llorean | jhMikeS: fixed.cfg =P |
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| 10:24:27 | * | pixelma wonders whether fixed.cfg is described in the manual or at least in the wiki |
| 10:24:52 | Llorean | It wasn't last time I looked, but that was some time ago. |
| 10:25:12 | Llorean | It's one of those things that went from "first idea" to "final form" in like, 30 minutes of discussion in here. |
| 10:25:13 | pixelma | it is |
| 10:25:25 | Llorean | With a few really bad ideas in between. |
| 10:27:06 | pixelma | in "Advanced topics - Specifcations for .cfg Files." |
| 10:28:44 | pixelma | and weird... when I c-p parts of the manual. all lower case "f"s are lost |
| 10:32:28 | Llorean | Wasn't there an issue like that previously? |
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| 10:38:20 | Unhelpful | amiconn: as far as brightness itself goes, i'm inclined to think we keep the existing version, with the div, on SH, where it's smaller code and we don't dither or have >1bpp output. we could probably go even more low-quality, really. |
| 10:39:49 | amiconn | Did you compare sizes on SH? |
| 10:40:17 | Unhelpful | yes, >>8 is more code, i'm guessing the extra multiply is what puts it over. |
| 10:42:21 | Unhelpful | the >>4 version is smaller on arm than >>8, we should probably use that on PP targets if the main display is color, and the >>8 version on greyscale main-display targets |
| 10:43:42 | Unhelpful | i don't know how that split works out on coldfire... we should probably stick to whichever is decent and smallest there, as well, *if* the main screen is color |
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| 10:45:42 | pixelma | Llorean: that was with the textsc function (small caps) which was used for settings (leading to a broken search in some pdf viewers and bloated html), bluebrother made the manual build with some other function and font and said this fixes it. For me all lower case "f"s are lost, no matter if they are in simple text, headline or else. When pasting into Notepad++ with enabled view of control characters I get an "FF" instead |
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| 10:46:01 | pixelma | now |
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| 11:25:26 | Llorean | bertrik: I tried FS 9611 briefly, and at least one frequency didn't seem to come in at all. Strangely ones both above and below it did. |
| 11:25:36 | Llorean | And it's one I can pick up quite well in the OF. |
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| 11:28:55 | bertrik | Llorean, weird. I don't have an explanation for that. |
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| 11:29:25 | bertrik | I have the feeling I'm still missing something in the initialisation. |
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| 11:30:07 | * | amiconn has the impression that the tea5767 is a far better tuner than the sii one |
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| 11:37:16 | bertrik | I can't compare because the only other target with a tuner I have is a c200v1, which has a lvXXXX tuner |
| 11:37:40 | bertrik | at least the si470x is easy to use, the one in the c200 is a nightmare |
| 11:38:25 | pixelma | my last week's comparison between OndioFM (TEA) and c200 (LV) was that the Ondio had a better reception |
| 11:39:14 | pixelma | and the auto search function gave "cleaner" results |
| 11:40:03 | pixelma | (from a user's perspective) |
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| 11:48:55 | Unhelpful | amiconn: at a guess, i'd say greyscale scaler is maybe 1-2wk worth of spare-time work to get right, based on how the color scaler went. maybe less, because i'm just adapting, maybe more, because of holidays. but i'm starting on it in a branch, and we'll see where it goes :) |
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| 12:07:40 | bertrik | Llorean, what frequency was that. On my clip, I don't hear anything around 96 MHz, not even noise. The received signal strength indicator shows a fairly strong signal. I can imagine that the radio is picking up a clip clock frequency or a harmonic thereof |
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| 12:17:07 | Llorean | bertrik: 106.9 |
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| 12:50:37 | pixelma | hmm, looks like upscaling AA still doesn't work on my M5 (it does in the sim) with r19410. Weird. |
| 12:53:05 | * | pixelma switches WPSs and tries what happens on downscale |
| 12:54:54 | pixelma | that works |
| 12:57:47 | robin0800 | bertrik: any chance you could update your sansa c200/e200 power patch −−- looks like it missed 3.1 freeze! |
| 12:58:05 | pixelma | blah, sorry my fault... forgot to rename the cover.50x50.bmp on target |
| 12:59:07 | * | pixelma goes to corner |
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| 13:25:42 | casainho | hello :-) |
| 13:26:22 | casainho | can someone help me on build GNU Debugger? is there any script on RB sources to build it? like the "rockboxdev.sh"? |
| 13:26:50 | n1s | casainho: GNU debugger as in "gdb" ? |
| 13:26:54 | Llorean | casainho: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler |
| 13:28:06 | casainho | Llorean: thank you!!!!! :-) |
| 13:28:37 | casainho | I will build it right now, since I have now my JTAG hardware and OpenOCD working :-) :-) |
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| 13:36:26 | bertrik | rasher, you shouted something like 'wfms' yesterday, was that a joke or am I completely missing something? |
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| 13:38:23 | moos | bertrik: I think everyone wants it, there was first attempt in the past to make it working (JdGordon?) |
| 13:39:19 | JdGordon | yeah, I had a very very early attempt |
| 13:39:47 | bertrik | it reuses the wps for radio or something like that? |
| 13:40:24 | JdGordon | cant even remember how I did it (or if it even worked) other than I chated and filled in a fake id3 struct with the info |
| 13:40:26 | JdGordon | which wasnt very good... |
| 13:40:44 | JdGordon | a wfms would be a very nice addition thouhg |
| 13:41:26 | moos | indeed, and I think everyone is ok with this |
| 13:43:19 | bertrik | sounds like a nice job for Mr. Someone |
| 13:43:28 | JdGordon | we need to decide if we want to reuse tags or create new ones, and do we do it as a seperate file or as a wps mode |
| 13:43:33 | JdGordon | same as a rec screen wpos |
| 13:44:04 | JdGordon | + how to handle statusbars in general (they want to be wps-ifityed also) |
| 13:44:05 | moos | and status bar |
| 13:44:07 | Llorean | JdGordon: I'd say just use the same .wps file. |
| 13:44:13 | moos | hehe to slow :) |
| 13:44:24 | Llorean | Just as a %fm conditional, so you can change a few things around for the FM screen. |
| 13:44:27 | Llorean | *add |
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| 13:45:13 | JdGordon | the downside with that is wps files for screens which on some targets have fm and some dont have alot of extra cruft |
| 13:45:37 | Llorean | Who cares? The memory's wasted already, since we pre-reserve memory for the WPS. |
| 13:45:54 | JdGordon | not if it ends up needing us to increase that buffer size |
| 13:46:16 | JdGordon | alhough with some cleverness we can ignore bits which are only used for fm |
| 13:46:16 | Llorean | Allow a few of the ID3 tags to show station name and frequency, and the progress bar to graphically represent the "tuner" with 0% being the lowest available frequency and 100% being the highest. =P |
| 13:46:38 | Llorean | Tags aren't going to make us increase the buffer size. New graphics are. |
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| 13:47:01 | * | JdGordon does like the idea of having the entire interface specified in a single wps file with the position of the menu viewport there also |
| 13:47:05 | Llorean | Allowing it to reuse WPS graphics will probably save memory overall. |
| 13:47:07 | n1s | having both in the same file means that we don't need to spin up the disk to go to fm which would be nice imho, unless we use seperate buffers for fm but that would be a waste |
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| 13:47:40 | Llorean | Plus, FM is in a sense "the music player" still, so having it encourage a unified look for the two is nice. |
| 13:48:29 | write__erase | Hi... rockbox rocks... But I realy nead the remote control feature. Any reason it's not implemented on ipod 3G ? I'd do the job if there are no particular reason |
| 13:48:38 | write__erase | s/nead/need/ |
| 13:48:57 | JdGordon | there is a patch which enables this |
| 13:48:57 | Llorean | write__erase: The reason is that nobody's done the work. It's not a simple job. |
| 13:49:05 | Llorean | JdGordon: Not for 3G |
| 13:49:08 | JdGordon | oh |
| 13:49:38 | write__erase | Llorean, but rockbox implements serial remote, ru |
| 13:49:40 | write__erase | right ? |
| 13:49:53 | Llorean | write_erase: For some players, sure. |
| 13:49:54 | write__erase | The problem is it's not enabled for 3G |
| 13:49:58 | Llorean | It's not just a case of enabling it. |
| 13:50:10 | Llorean | You also need to write all the drivers for it. It's not the same for every player. |
| 13:50:12 | write__erase | yeah ... low level uart control :-) |
| 13:50:29 | * | bertrik agrees with Llorean so far w.r.t. the wfms |
| 13:50:49 | write__erase | There should be the code in linuxipod kernel |
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| 13:51:08 | Llorean | Well, we'd love to see a patch for it. |
| 13:52:30 | write__erase | No indicator for battery charge on ipod3g... funny ... |
| 13:52:31 | JdGordon | bertrik: well, if we just reuse tags then it shouldnt actually be too hard to implement.. the problem is the rest of the radio code needs work to play nice with it |
| 13:52:39 | JdGordon | recorder/radio.c is very messy imho |
| 13:53:23 | Llorean | write__erase: Well, the 3G isn't common. We'd love someone new working on it. |
| 13:53:43 | write__erase | :-) |
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| 13:54:31 | write__erase | no svn ? |
| 13:55:16 | Llorean | write__erase: Could you explain the question? "no svn?" doesn't have a context for me to know what you're asking. |
| 13:55:48 | write__erase | sorry I'm looking for the sources, through CVS, SVN or any source control protocol |
| 13:55:56 | JdGordon | bertrik: hmm.. it might not even be all that much work |
| 13:55:57 | Llorean | It's in SVN. |
| 13:56:22 | Llorean | write__erase: In the wiki index there should be a section "For developers" with lots of information. |
| 13:59:00 | bertrik | JdGordon, I'm not so familiar with radio.c yet, I didn't realise that radio required this much code. I think the interface towards the tuners looks nice, clean and simple. |
| 13:59:50 | JdGordon | you do? it is?! or are you only taking about the actual hardware interface? |
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| 14:00:20 | JdGordon | I started working on a patch to move more of that code out of apps into firmware but its not quiet finished |
| 14:01:39 | bertrik | I mean the interface in tuner.h |
| 14:02:09 | JdGordon | ah yes, that part is nice |
| 14:03:47 | bertrik | wow, there is support for multiple tuners ... |
| 14:04:04 | JdGordon | not at the same time though... |
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| 14:09:40 | JdGordon | n1s: where is your beast radio patch? |
| 14:09:48 | JdGordon | and the ams radio patch? |
| 14:10:12 | * | JdGordon searches gmail and finds them |
| 14:10:20 | n1s | JdGordon: beast radio went in a couple of days ago |
| 14:10:24 | JdGordon | finds that the beast 1 was commited already |
| 14:10:38 | JdGordon | which is nice, didnt break my radio patch |
| 14:11:41 | n1s | JdGordon: I think that to get seeking working nicely i will have to extend the tuner interface a little, will that be nicely doable after your changes? |
| 14:12:50 | JdGordon | i guess so... right now im trying to remove the tuning logic from apps... so ideally it would just say "tune/seek to freq and let me know if its tuned"... |
| 14:13:57 | JdGordon | http://pastebin.com/d59befe9 is the interface I have so far |
| 14:14:19 | JdGordon | which is mostly cut/paste straight out of radio.c |
| 14:14:54 | JdGordon | that fm region sturct also will be removed from the .h as its only needed for tuning (which apps/ doesnt need) |
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| 14:16:23 | n1s | what is the difference between radio_set_frequency and radio_scan_frequency ? |
| 14:17:10 | JdGordon | void radio_set_frequency(int freq) |
| 14:17:11 | JdGordon | { |
| 14:17:13 | JdGordon | curr_freq = freq; |
| 14:17:15 | JdGordon | tuner_set(RADIO_FREQUENCY, curr_freq); |
| 14:17:16 | JdGordon | } |
| 14:17:17 | JdGordon | bool radio_scan_frequency(int freq) |
| 14:17:19 | JdGordon | { |
| 14:17:23 | JdGordon | curr_freq = freq; |
| 14:17:25 | JdGordon | return tuner_set(RADIO_SCAN_FREQUENCY, curr_freq); |
| 14:17:27 | JdGordon | } |
| 14:17:30 | JdGordon | although looking at it, its not very nice :p |
| 14:17:46 | JdGordon | set should force the freq wheras scan would get the nearest station to it |
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| 14:18:56 | n1s | so scan starts at curr_freq and just goes to the closest station? |
| 14:19:11 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 14:20:09 | n1s | hmm, then maybe this can work without changing the interface, how does radio.c find out which freq it scanned to? |
| 14:20:43 | JdGordon | call radio_get_frequency or radio_get_station |
| 14:22:18 | n1s | does it do this currently or do you intend to make it do this? |
| 14:24:23 | JdGordon | thats the intention |
| 14:25:30 | n1s | sounds good, the si4700 seeking is basically: set a bit for seeking up or down, 3 different signal measures by which it validates a station and set it off |
| 14:26:04 | n1s | and when it finishes you can check if it decided it failed and at which freq it ended |
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| 14:27:17 | JdGordon | how do you know when its finished? |
| 14:28:57 | n1s | ultimately i want to use an interrupt, but you can also check a "finished" bit |
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| 14:35:33 | JdGordon | n1s: do you tihnk we could do that in a tick task for the other tuners? |
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| 14:38:47 | n1s | JdGordon: i'm not familiar with how the other tuners work but i imagine it would be possible. |
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| 14:39:21 | JdGordon | would it be a good idea thouhg? |
| 14:39:38 | * | JdGordon wants to make the code for the radio screen as simple as possible |
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| 14:43:27 | n1s | for me, tell the tuner to scan, get interrupt/ check for "finished" status, read new freq, update screen seem like a good plan |
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| 14:47:00 | n1s | i don't know if a tick task is needed, a check; sleep loop would do fine i would think |
| 14:47:19 | mcuelenaere | gevaerts: thanks for the jz4740_usbtool.c fixes |
| 14:47:29 | Jaykay | what is the best way when i notice that something in the wikipages is wrong/out of date? |
| 14:47:46 | JdGordon | register and fix the problem? |
| 14:47:47 | n1s | Jaykay: fixing it |
| 14:48:19 | JdGordon | n1s: well, a tick task would mean apps could get the tuner scanning and then continue doing nothing for all tuners |
| 14:48:25 | Jaykay | ok so i have to register myslef in the wiki (ß) |
| 14:48:37 | Jaykay | (?) |
| 14:49:17 | n1s | JdGordon: yes, maybe that is better |
| 14:49:30 | n1s | Jaykay: you need to register to edit, yes |
| 14:50:33 | * | JdGordon would like a partial playlist viewer in the wps (and preset viewer in the fm screen) |
| 14:50:57 | Jaykay | the registration page sasy i should ask for writing permissions, so now i ask for write permissions :) |
| 14:51:00 | n1s | JdGordon: would certainly be nice on portrait screens |
| 14:51:31 | n1s | Jaykay: what's your wiki name? |
| 14:52:20 | Jaykay | JohannesLinke if i did everything in the right way |
| 14:53:43 | rasher | bertrik: a (poor) joke |
| 14:55:27 | n1s | Jaykay: ok, should have write permissions now, promise not to spam :) |
| 14:55:41 | Jaykay | ok i promise :) |
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| 15:06:25 | bluebrother | hmm. How much additional room should be left on the device after installing? 1MiB? 0.5MiB? |
| 15:06:41 | Llorean | Depends an awful lot, I should think. |
| 15:06:56 | Llorean | You won't need much at all for the .cfg file and the nvram. |
| 15:07:10 | Llorean | Compared to that though, if you want to use database or dircache it can get pretty big, right? |
| 15:07:20 | bluebrother | well, I'm adding a space check prior to installing for rbutil |
| 15:07:28 | n1s | bluebrother: we have a couple of nasty bugs triggered by the disk getting full when trying certain things... |
| 15:07:52 | n1s | yeah, the database can take several megs |
| 15:08:08 | bluebrother | and my idea was to compare free space with the extracted size. That is a bit off due to cluster sizes on the player. |
| 15:08:40 | Llorean | bluebrother: Maybe warn if <15mb just in general. |
| 15:08:54 | bluebrother | but if I consider that we should have 1MiB left after installation it should be safe. But should we have a bigger safety? |
| 15:09:16 | Llorean | Better to play it really safe, at least until Rockbox itself is able to deal better with running out of space, right? |
| 15:09:22 | bluebrother | Llorean: could be done, but I think that would be a separate thing. For now I want to warn / abort during installation. |
| 15:09:23 | n1s | bluebrother: maybe let them install if it fits but if you have, say < 10MB free say "Very little disk space free, certain functions in rockbox may not work as intended" or something |
| 15:09:25 | bluebrother | true. |
| 15:10:13 | Llorean | I think just a warning "Your player is nearly full. While Rockbox can still be installed, some features will create files, and if you run out of disk space may experience unpredictable failures." |
| 15:12:47 | soap | Bagder: can I have the registration email for TWiki user BenZavala? I wish to contact him about a recently uploaded theme. He says "PM me" but leaves no publicly visible email address nor mention of forum / IRC nick. |
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| 15:14:22 | Llorean | soap: All the album images used in RockFlow? |
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| 15:17:01 | soap | ? No. Not if you're asking the question I think you are asking. |
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| 15:17:23 | soap | Just a slight issue with the structural content of his theme. Nothing major at all. |
| 15:17:34 | Llorean | Ah |
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| 15:17:55 | soap | Unlike the most recent 5G upload which broke half the rules. |
| 15:18:12 | soap | (at least he left a contact address) |
| 15:20:34 | Jaykay | why is there http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SandiskE200BatteryMeasurements ? there isnt such a page for any of the other players.... |
| 15:20:45 | Jaykay | and the first paragraph is out of date. |
| 15:20:49 | n1s | does/will the new theme site require some kind of account ore a valid contact email? |
| 15:21:09 | soap | Jaykay: that was from early in the e200 dev cycle. |
| 15:21:31 | Jaykay | so this page should be deleted or what? |
| 15:21:55 | JdGordon | n1s: maybe, probably.. we'll find out in 4-6 years time :D |
| 15:22:18 | soap | It should be labeled as a historical artifact - but I don't see a reason to delete. |
| 15:22:33 | n1s | JdGordon: :P |
| 15:23:04 | domonoky | n1s: if you help getting the new theme page up and running, you could decide if it will do that :-) |
| 15:23:11 | Jaykay | soap: its useless^^ |
| 15:23:12 | soap | MarcGuay had gone through and tagged many of the outdated pages - if you want do to so with this one you should look at how he did those other old ones. |
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| 15:23:51 | Jaykay | can you give me a link to one of those tagged pages? |
| 15:24:01 | soap | you can search as easily as I can. |
| 15:24:13 | soap | and I do not know one off hand. |
| 15:24:16 | n1s | domonoky: i have written exactly 0 lines of php in my life and is perfectly happy with the default theme/wps so i'm not sure i'm the right guy for that :) |
| 15:24:27 | Jaykay | but i dont know what i should search for |
| 15:24:37 | soap | I just remember his massive cleanup efforts. I would also post a link on that page to SansaRuntime |
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| 15:26:21 | bluebrother | hmm. My current implementation has one flaw: it requires the space of the extracted files to be actually free, regardless if there will be files overwritten (like during an update). |
| 15:26:50 | bluebrother | should I simply ignore this? The biggest archive would be doom afaics, and that has ~15MiB. |
| 15:27:48 | n1s | couldn't you just check the return code from the failing copy? |
| 15:28:08 | bluebrother | sure, but my current attempt is to check the available space before installing anything |
| 15:28:33 | bluebrother | if I'd just look if space runs out during extraction I might have a partly extracted build on the player |
| 15:29:59 | bluebrother | or even two mixed builds, if an update fails due to this. Which I imagine could happen if someone updates from a quite old build and the new one just needs that few bytes more he is missing |
| 15:29:59 | n1s | yeah, since it's such small sizes anyway, i think it can be ignored but it doesn't feel entirely clean |
| 15:30:55 | bluebrother | yep, same here ... but checking the space the extracted files already take on the device, if present at all, would be a bit of additional work :) |
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| 15:48:37 | gevaerts | mcuelenaere: you're welcome. I was trying out some code analyser I found on the net, and it pointed them out (as well as dozens of false positives elsewhere) |
| 15:50:10 | mcuelenaere | ahh cool, how's the program called? |
| 15:50:10 | gevaerts | _jhMikeS_: You need usb_storage_disconnect() (which wasn't there when you asked) |
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| 15:50:28 | gevaerts | mcuelenaere: this was with cppcheck |
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| 16:32:35 | J-23 | is it possible to use PCRE in Rockbox plugins? |
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| 16:36:30 | linuxstb | J-23: You need to find a C library that implements them, and compile that as part of your plugin. |
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| 16:37:32 | J-23 | so I can even use pcre.h from my distro? |
| 16:37:52 | n1s | J-23: if your distro runs on your player |
| 16:38:30 | linuxstb | J-23: Google tells me that PCRE is a regular expression library in C. So you need to port that library to Rockbox. |
| 16:39:06 | linuxstb | But looking at it, I'm sure there are simpler regexp libraries if you really need one in Rockbox. |
| 16:39:54 | J-23 | Doesn't FS #4755 use PCRE? |
| 16:40:35 | linuxstb | Doesn't look like it. |
| 16:40:46 | linuxstb | (based on the files modified/added by the latest version of the patch) |
| 16:41:00 | J-23 | ah, somebody just posted pcre.h for MacOS |
| 16:42:04 | linuxstb | Maybe the PC-based conversion tool uses it. |
| 16:42:17 | J-23 | yes. |
| 16:42:45 | linuxstb | But that has nothing to do with using it in a Rockbox plugin. |
| 16:42:51 | linuxstb | Why would you want regular expression support? |
| 16:43:43 | J-23 | I ask just to know |
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| 17:33:15 | lucent | thanks @ ameyer |
| 17:33:19 | soap | regex playlist generator plugin! |
| 17:34:54 | lucent | anyone else running rockbox on Sansa Clip? could suggest to me which patches to look into? |
| 17:37:17 | domonoky | lucent: all ams-sansa players are still under heavy development, so nothing for normal user, but if you want to help out fell free :-) |
| 17:38:11 | lucent | domonoky: I had a Sansa Clip 2GB Red and recently acquired a Sansa Fuze 8GB Silver, so my Clip can become a sacrificial lamb ;P |
| 17:40:07 | bluebrother | a red clip? Are those the v2 clips? |
| 17:43:12 | lucent | I'm not sure, how would I determine this? |
| 17:44:19 | lucent | the 2GB Clip that I own is running the OF V01.01.30A at the moment |
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| 17:44:29 | bluebrother | don't know. Maybe they have a "v2" marking on the back? |
| 17:45:00 | lucent | oh, the silkscreen wore off on my device a long time ago :P |
| 17:45:19 | bluebrother | hmm, firmware version at least was the only indicator one could count on. Assuming the v2 also have a firmware v3 would make that hardware v1 |
| 17:46:51 | lucent | Yes, looks like it's a "revision 1 clip" according to sandisk sansa clip forums post |
| 17:46:57 | lucent | http://forums.sandisk.com/sansa/board/message?board.id=clip&thread.id=10534 |
| 17:47:43 | domonoky | lucent: then try out what we already have in SVN.. and try to improve it. :-) |
| 17:48:27 | domonoky | status for the different ams-sansas: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaV2 :-) |
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| 17:49:10 | lucent | domonoky: do you suggest adding any additional patches for my "V1 Clip" like FS 9332 ? |
| 17:49:44 | gevaerts | lucent: first build and install a standard build |
| 17:49:51 | lucent | okay will do |
| 17:49:57 | lucent | I need to set up my toolchain today |
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| 17:54:35 | lucent | I wonder what happens, I have all my music on the Clip in "MTP" mode... I have a copy of this music elsewhere but I am curious to know what happens to the MTP music when loading rockbox? |
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| 17:56:57 | bertrik | lucent, I have a clip too but I don't know, probably nothing. I avoid MTP where possible. |
| 17:57:59 | lucent | bertrik: with the OF using MTP made "database refresh" faster |
| 17:58:05 | lucent | so that's my motivation for using it ;) |
| 17:59:30 | bertrik | ah interesting. I was looking for a way to speed it up or skip it altogether |
| 17:59:32 | lucent | some interesting things are in motion for Ubuntu users too, this might be offtopic for rockbox, but the VFS layer in Gnome is getting updated and should support browsing MTP devices as files and folders |
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| 18:00:24 | lucent | so Rhythmbox's MTP support plugin would need an overhaul to directly access files on MTP players based on that new access scheme |
| 18:00:51 | gevaerts | That is indeed off-topic here :) |
| 18:00:52 | lucent | that's what I was set to work on until I heard rhythmbox is sort of running on the Clip =) |
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| 18:01:35 | bertrik | rockbox you mean? |
| 18:03:08 | kugel | petur: what about http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/5675 ? |
| 18:03:27 | lucent | no, it was offtopic though, I meant Rhythmbox (Gnome destkop environment's default music player and software application for loading music onto MTP capable players) |
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| 18:12:12 | lucent | Hmm... do I need to apply rockbox-multilibs-arm-elf-gcc-4.0.3.diff patch to build rockbox for the clip? |
| 18:13:04 | gevaerts | I think rockboxdev.sh applies all patches itself |
| 18:13:38 | lucent | oh, I didn't want to install to /usr or /usr/local, I was preferring to keep everything in a non-root owned directory and change my environment variables beforehand |
| 18:13:47 | lucent | I'll go read that script now though |
| 18:14:06 | gevaerts | Change the script then. The destination directory is easy to change |
| 18:14:07 | krazykit | lucent, you can change a variable right at the top of rockboxdev.sh to point it wherever you like :) |
| 18:14:38 | lucent | ah! that is great |
| 18:14:38 | petur | kugel: just closed ;) |
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| 18:15:10 | kugel | one bug less \o/ |
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| 18:22:36 | Jaykay | i suggest closing of http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/2999 because http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/7432 hass more functions and is more up to date..... |
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| 18:25:16 | Jaykay | btw how do i write those links that only the fs#xxxx is shown, as bbcodes in some forums? |
| 18:26:56 | krazykit | [url=the_url_you_want]text_to_display[/url] |
| 18:28:02 | gevaerts | Jaykay: while FS #2999 does indeed seem (very) outdated, I'm not sure if both support the same targets |
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| 18:28:46 | Jaykay | fs2999 supports only uslt tags, sncviewer much more (including uslt) |
| 18:29:28 | gevaerts | Yes, but do both of them work on all players? |
| 18:29:45 | toffe82 | where do I enable test hdd, don't remeber if it is the good name :) |
| 18:30:21 | gevaerts | toffe82: add test_disk.c to apps/plugins/SOURCES |
| 18:30:37 | kugel | gevaerts: going by SOURCES, the latter seems to compile on any target |
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| 18:30:47 | toffe82 | gevaerts: ok |
| 18:32:19 | gevaerts | kugel: even the Player? |
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| 18:32:35 | kugel | yep |
| 18:33:07 | kugel | or maybe not. I haven't applied, but it's next to vbrfix and viewer |
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| 18:38:26 | casainho | Bagder: are you there? |
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| 18:43:07 | casainho | bluebrother: hello :-) |
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| 18:43:26 | casainho | linuxstb: hello :-) |
| 18:46:45 | bluebrother | hello |
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| 18:47:58 | casainho | bluebrother: can I know if you use debug? |
| 18:48:11 | casainho | and what IDE you are using? |
| 18:48:26 | bluebrother | if I use debug? What do you mean? |
| 18:48:29 | casainho | for debug, I wanted to ask about JTAG |
| 18:48:31 | bluebrother | and my IDE is vim :) |
| 18:49:16 | bluebrother | well, what's the exact question about JTAG? |
| 18:49:58 | kugel | hmm |
| 18:49:59 | casainho | because until now I just saw tutorials for ARM7 of people using JTAG debugging, GBD and Eclipse |
| 18:50:09 | kugel | keyclick's nice now after the rework |
| 18:50:23 | casainho | I got it working today :-) - here a screenshot: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3163/3104368953_2744f24f18_o.png |
| 18:50:45 | casainho | bluebrother: so, do you use JTAG debugging? |
| 18:51:11 | bluebrother | yes, but not for Rockbox. Though that doesn't make much of a difference |
| 18:52:22 | lucent | bertrik: how to go back to the OF on a Sansa Clip after Rockbox is loaded? |
| 18:52:25 | casainho | so, do you use commands to OpenOCD? |
| 18:52:32 | Jaykay | gevaerts: gevaerts: now whats about fs#2999? |
| 18:52:41 | bertrik | lucent, hold the home button while booting |
| 18:52:44 | casainho | bluebrother: or you are not using OpenOCD? |
| 18:52:49 | bluebrother | well, when I used gdb I used it directly. |
| 18:52:51 | lucent | bertrik: ah. Very nice |
| 18:53:08 | bertrik | lucent, the "hold" button works too IIRC |
| 18:53:24 | bluebrother | no, haven't used OpenOCD yet. Back the time I had an emulator for ARM I had a BDI2000 which connects to gdb directly |
| 18:53:37 | J-23 | what makes e200v2 buttons work in bootloader, but not in Rockbox? |
| 18:53:49 | bluebrother | planning to get a JTAGkey for ARM though. |
| 18:54:07 | casainho | bluebrother: ah, okok −− I don't see to much information on RB wiki about this subject... maybe people at RB do not use JTAG debug because of missing connection to players... |
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| 18:54:17 | kugel | J-23: lcd and shared physical connections (that's what I assume) |
| 18:54:24 | J-23 | ;/ |
| 18:54:35 | casainho | bluebrother: I got one "cheap", from Olimex −− AE |
| 18:54:52 | casainho | bluebrother: I got one "cheap", from Olimex −− ARM-USM-TINY for about 55 euros |
| 18:55:04 | casainho | okok |
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| 18:55:17 | casainho | I will now try to understand better to use debug :-) |
| 18:55:19 | casainho | bye bye |
| 18:58:01 | bluebrother | the JTAGkey tiny is ~30EUR |
| 18:58:12 | bluebrother | which is the reason why I want to get that ;-) |
| 18:58:15 | bertrik | + 30 EUR shipping I think |
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| 18:59:02 | bluebrother | yep, unless you have connections you can use ;-) |
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| 19:01:31 | lucent | bertrik: okay, and how to make the clip use rockbox.zip I've made? |
| 19:01:41 | lucent | that part is not so clear for me |
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| 19:03:56 | Chesteta | hi; im "the guy" who wanted to help figuring out the keymap of the e200v2... if anyone is willing to help me in the endevor id appreciate it :) |
| 19:04:09 | lucent | yay more ams-sansa people |
| 19:04:39 | Chesteta | haha ive been looking at the development thread twice a day for a month waiting for things to work |
| 19:04:51 | Chesteta | now i can actually help (hopefully) |
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| 19:05:26 | lucent | I'm going to try rockbox out on my Sansa Clip 2GB v1 today (hopefully) |
| 19:05:30 | Chesteta | lucent, sarcasm or you have one too? |
| 19:05:51 | lucent | Chesteta: I own a 2gb clip v1 and a Fuze 8gb |
| 19:06:15 | Chesteta | lucent: nice |
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| 19:06:37 | bertrik | lucent, did you already install the bootloader? |
| 19:06:42 | Chesteta | yes |
| 19:06:48 | lucent | bertrik: ah, no I haven't seen documentation yet on the bootloader |
| 19:06:56 | lucent | bertrik: where do I look for this? |
| 19:07:02 | Chesteta | (sorry, answered lucents question) |
| 19:07:39 | Chesteta | lucent: I have installed the bootloader if you need help |
| 19:08:00 | lucent | yes, where do I find out how to install the bootloader on a Clip? |
| 19:08:36 | casainho | can someone please tell me where in Makefile of bootloader I can setup the Optimization of GCC? because I am doing debug with GNU Debugger and I am getting some errors and I think the problem is on otpikization |
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| 19:08:52 | kugel | Chesteta, lucent: you build the bootloader file using the ordinary rockbox build system |
| 19:09:03 | bertrik | Nobody wrote the documentation yet AFAIK. Putting rockbox on a Clip is not recommended for general use yet, so maybe we shouldn't even document it. |
| 19:09:29 | kugel | then you pass the bootloader file, and (any) OF file to rbutil/mkamsboot/mkamsboot (which you need to "make" once before) |
| 19:09:32 | domonoky | lucent: build a bootloader. merge it with a OF binary with mkamsboot (in rbutil dir) and copy the resulting binary with the right name to the player |
| 19:09:47 | lucent | ah |
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| 19:10:32 | Chesteta | wow my irc just lagged quite a bit, got a full page of txt at once |
| 19:12:07 | lucent | still not sure how to build the bootloader |
| 19:12:18 | Chesteta | heres how i did it: 1) download device firmware (say for example you wanted to update to the latest sandisk firmware) 2) build mkamsboot (navigate to that directory and run the build command) |
| 19:12:19 | lucent | ../tools/configure −−target=bootloader or some such? |
| 19:12:48 | domonoky | just run configure, it will guide you |
| 19:13:25 | lucent | domonoky: I've built configure's "55) Sansa Clip" target... am I all set? |
| 19:13:32 | Chesteta | 3) create a bootloader for your device (mkdir bootbuild-in root directory (instead of just build)) then run ../tools/configure and select your device and then select "B" instead of "N" (b for bootloader) |
| 19:14:29 | Chesteta | 4) run a build command in the bootbuild folder. you should have a file in there with a .sansa extension; this is the rockbox bootloader |
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| 19:14:45 | lucent | ah okay I have that file from your step # 4 |
| 19:14:51 | lucent | I'm starting to see how this works |
| 19:16:20 | Chesteta | 5) copy the .sansa file you build in the bootbuild directory and the bootloader you downloaded in step 1 (the sandisk "stock" firmware) into the mkamsboot directory |
| 19:16:48 | lucent | cool. Now I'm following :) |
| 19:16:58 | lucent | thanks a heap Chesteta ! |
| 19:17:10 | Chesteta | then you will run the command "mkamsboot [sansafirmwarename.bin] [rockboxfirmwarename.sansa] [outputfilename.bin] |
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| 19:17:17 | Chesteta | no problem lucent :) |
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| 19:17:36 | casainho | bluebrother: are you there? |
| 19:19:05 | Chesteta | lucent: it took me about 4 hours to figure that out :) its isn't ever stated in steps on the site... and i hadn't used the svn for quite some time |
| 19:22:20 | lucent | [ERR] No room to insert bootloader, aborting |
| 19:22:21 | lucent | Segmentation fault |
| 19:22:25 | lucent | niiiice... :P |
| 19:22:32 | Chesteta | oh; forgot: lastly, step 6) you will connect to your sansa (in MSC mode i believe) and put the newly generated file (i'd rename it to be the name that sandisk initally named it) in the root directory... once copied unplug your device and it will install the new firmware. |
| 19:22:37 | gevaerts | lucent: careful, the rockbox.sansa from the normal build is not the bootloader |
| 19:22:46 | lucent | ohhh |
| 19:22:49 | lucent | good call |
| 19:22:52 | lucent | my mistake! |
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| 19:23:04 | bertrik | and don't just unplug, unmount/safe remove first |
| 19:23:12 | Chesteta | yea; lucent: be sure you use the bootloader build, should be 64k |
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| 19:24:21 | bertrik | BTW, a failed bootloader installation can brick your device, there is no known recovery mechanism |
| 19:24:25 | lucent | much better now that I follow directions correctly |
| 19:25:17 | bluebrother | casainho: yep ... just doing other things the same time |
| 19:25:43 | Chesteta | lucent: bertrik is correct: with the e200v2 there is a way to open it up and recover the device (some contacts to trip on the circuitboard) but there isnt for the clip |
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| 19:26:57 | bertrik | wasn't there an issue with the sd card driver for ams sansas > 1 GB? |
| 19:27:11 | lucent | cool, bootloader appears to work |
| 19:27:21 | lucent | "*PANIC* SD:DATA TIMEOUT," |
| 19:28:14 | lucent | bertrik: confirmed? |
| 19:28:15 | lucent | :P |
| 19:28:22 | Chesteta | damn I got that a while ago; stopped happening lately though :) |
| 19:28:42 | Chesteta | i have and 8gb too so idk |
| 19:29:12 | Chesteta | lucent: you did build rockbox (normal build) and put .rockbox in the root directory right? |
| 19:29:37 | lucent | Chesteta: yep |
| 19:30:55 | domonoky | important: as these ams-sansa targets are in a early state, we dont want bug-reports. fix them yourself :-) |
| 19:31:03 | Jaykay | gevaerts: whats about fs 2999? |
| 19:31:11 | lucent | domonoky: noted, thanks |
| 19:31:32 | gevaerts | Jaykay: I'm inclined to close it, but I'd like to wait for a few more opinions |
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| 19:32:19 | Chesteta | is anyone willing to help me work on the keymaping for the e200v2? |
| 19:32:19 | Jaykay | ok.... but when will you get them? |
| 19:32:43 | gevaerts | Jaykay: when people get here :) |
| 19:32:59 | Chesteta | I have the device and some freetime but dont really khow where to start :) |
| 19:33:16 | Jaykay | wow, so i guess this task will keep open for the next few years^^ |
| 19:33:28 | kugel | bertrik: I found a delay which doesn't make i2c_read_data() return -4 (returns 0 instead, as it should), but still no button |
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| 19:34:03 | Jaykay | i think sometimes you should simply close a task even if you are not sure.... if anybody needs the patch than he will ask for reopening..... |
| 19:34:52 | gevaerts | Jaykay: I mostly agree, but this is a part of rockbox I'm not very familiar with. If I haven't heard anything by tomorrow night, I'll close it though |
| 19:35:14 | Jaykay | ah that sounds good :) |
| 19:35:19 | domonoky | Chesteta: shouldnt the e200v2 just use the e200 keymap ? (so no real keamap work needed i would think) |
| 19:35:22 | bertrik | kugel, what did it read in that case? |
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| 19:37:02 | kugel | bertrik: 0 |
| 19:37:37 | kugel | but I initialised btn with 0, so it might not have changed at all |
| 19:39:01 | bertrik | I think the data line was probably stuck at 0. The i2c read routine read a 0 and thought it was an ACK, then read more data which is not suprisingly also 0. |
| 19:40:15 | kugel | well, funman made it be initialised with 0 |
| 19:41:15 | Chesteta | domonoky: oh alright; in the developer thread it was mentioned about testing the keymap (by atomikpunk, reply #498). I was going to try and help with that but perhaps it has already been taken care of |
| 19:44:00 | kugel | bertrik: the hardwaremapping page reads that SDA is GPIOB1 |
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| 19:44:12 | kugel | and A0/A5 are SCL |
| 19:44:47 | kugel | bertrik: funman either confused those or used "wrong" variable names |
| 19:49:03 | lucent | Chesteta: I think I'm stuck unless there's a patch for the > 1GB SD driver :) |
| 19:49:47 | bertrik | kugel, I wrote the entry about fuze i2c I/O in the hardwaremapping page... I may have made a mistake. Or maybe this code was linked in the firmware but is not actually used. Or we're overlooking something else. |
| 19:49:48 | domonoky | lucent: you could shrink the partition to below 1Gb :-) |
| 19:49:55 | lucent | ha, maybe! |
| 19:50:20 | lucent | domonoky: there's no partition listed though |
| 19:50:32 | lucent | domonoky: do you infer that I create one? |
| 19:50:32 | Chesteta | lucent: I dont know of any; I know how to use the svn and use patches but as far as making them (actual programing) i dont, you just need to press the left arrow key while powering on to get to the sansa firmware :) |
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| 19:51:11 | Chesteta | (or atleast on the e200v2 it works that way...) |
| 19:51:37 | gevaerts | lucent: I don't know if creating a partition table on the clip is a good idea, but just shrinking the filesystem should work |
| 19:51:42 | Aurix_Lexico | ./util/MTP/sendfirm won't compile for me, it says there is a mismatch in the amount of arguments with a function from libmtp |
| 19:52:00 | kugel | bertrik: when I change it, i2c_read_data() returns -4 again... |
| 19:52:44 | gevaerts | Aurix_Lexico: what version of libmtp do you have? It compiles fine here |
| 19:53:23 | Aurix_Lexico | 0.3.0 |
| 19:53:33 | gevaerts | I have 0.2.6 |
| 19:53:56 | Chesteta | lucent (cc domonoky): i tried using the windows disk management console and also paragon partition manager and the sansa e200 would not let me create a different sized partition... this is when I was getting the PANIC** (sd message) |
| 19:53:57 | bertrik | kugel, does the delay have to have a very specific value to return 0? i2c delays can be made very long and i2c should still work. |
| 19:54:50 | casainho | bluebrother: I would like to know how I can define -O0 (optimization of GCC) on bootloader makefile... because I am doing debug and I need it... |
| 19:54:50 | kugel | I added a rather long delay, really |
| 19:55:11 | gevaerts | Aurix_Lexico: I can confirm that it fails with 0.3.*. Can you install 0.2.something? |
| 19:56:01 | Aurix_Lexico | I'll try |
| 19:56:05 | bluebrother | casainho: you need rather -g to create debug symbols. Disabling optimizations helps during debugging too, but is not strictly necessary (at work we debug with compiler optimizations enabled. Can be confusing at times) |
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| 19:56:46 | casainho | ah, okok - so I see on makefile an option to do debug that uses the -g option |
| 19:57:07 | lucent | Chesteta: I do have many files on my Sansa Clip 2GB, and then I added the .rockbox structure |
| 19:57:11 | lucent | maybe it's just out of range |
| 19:57:12 | casainho | bluebrother: in what kind of company do you work? what devices you do? |
| 19:57:40 | Jaykay | i request committing of http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4719 and http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2533..... |
| 19:58:09 | Chesteta | lucent: oh; I erased everything (backed it up first) and then put rockbox on there... that is probably why its working now :) |
| 19:58:24 | Jaykay | the first one clears the button queue after zooming in mandelbrot, the second makes aplles in snake appear immediatly |
| 19:59:07 | gevaerts | Jaykay: not during the freeze |
| 19:59:36 | gevaerts | While those may be nice improvements, I don't think they qualify as bugfixes |
| 19:59:37 | bluebrother | casainho: in the bootloader Makefile the CC option -g is used if DEBUG is defined. |
| 19:59:48 | bluebrother | so I guess a make DEBUG=1 whould do it |
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| 20:00:02 | casainho | okok - thanks |
| 20:00:12 | bluebrother | though I haven't tried :) |
| 20:00:22 | kugel | gevaerts: I think the second one is a bugfix. Or do you think it's intended to delay the next apple? |
| 20:00:24 | Jaykay | gevaerts: why not bugfixes? |
| 20:00:50 | gevaerts | kugel: it could well be |
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| 20:01:29 | gevaerts | Jaykay: both of them are at least debatable in my opinion |
| 20:02:04 | Jaykay | ok then you can simply commit them since they are not really new features ;) |
| 20:02:09 | Jaykay | ok i stop.... |
| 20:02:23 | kugel | Jaykay: btw: don't request committing. You may suggest it, but only if you accept to do the work that might need to be done before committing |
| 20:03:16 | gevaerts | They are changes in behaviour for things that are (in my opinion) not clearly wrong. If someone else wants to commit them, fine, but I won't during the freeze |
| 20:03:36 | Jaykay | i thought the "i suggest..." is annoying because im writing it every time...... and i tried both patches and they work fine (the second after the sync, which i did) |
| 20:04:13 | lucent | Chesteta: confirmed, now that I have done a "format" and reloaded the .rockbox directory structure, the rockbox firmware loads and runs correctly |
| 20:04:31 | lucent | Chesteta: so there is a limitation in the bootloader that it must load from < 1GB , that's my guess |
| 20:04:32 | Jaykay | gevaerts: so ill suggest comitting after 3.1.... hehe |
| 20:04:35 | Chesteta | lucent: nice! do your buttons work :) mine dont :( |
| 20:05:15 | lucent | Chesteta: yes, buttons are working, it does have a panic and SD timeout though |
| 20:05:23 | lucent | I tried playing some music and got the panic |
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| 20:05:44 | gevaerts | Jaykay: sure :) We won't go wild with untested commits then either, but for those two, why not? |
| 20:06:13 | Chesteta | lucent: i believe that you are correct about the bootloader limitation; as an experiment try putting over 1gb of files (songs) on your device and then add a few more (to be sure they are put in the +1gb section of the chip) see if you can play them |
| 20:06:13 | bertrik | lucent, one very useful patch for ams sansa players at this moment if the buffering_flash patch, I'll look it up |
| 20:06:17 | lucent | Chesteta: though "Play" is mapped to the center button |
| 20:06:26 | Jaykay | another thing: is it allowed to post patches in the tracker who relates to other patches which arent in svn? |
| 20:06:40 | Jaykay | (http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4857? for rockboy) |
| 20:06:48 | bluebrother | Jaykay: yes, as long as those are in the tracker. |
| 20:06:53 | lucent | bertrik: I applied the buffering flash patch, thanks! |
| 20:07:17 | bluebrother | or at least, I don't see a reason why it shouldn't be allowed |
| 20:07:22 | gevaerts | Jaykay: for those I'd post the patches to that specific task |
| 20:07:32 | Aurix_Lexico | downgrading libmtp worked, I now have the rockbox bootloader on my zen vision:m and not much to do with it |
| 20:07:46 | Chesteta | lucent: whats the fs number of the patch? |
| 20:08:07 | Jaykay | gevaerts: i didnt plan to post a patch..... i know as much as nothing about programming in c^^ |
| 20:08:27 | lucent | Chesteta: should be FS9332 |
| 20:08:29 | gevaerts | Jaykay: ah, ok. I slightly misunderstood you then :) |
| 20:08:40 | Chesteta | thanks :) |
| 20:09:13 | Jaykay | so f2 4857 is out of date because rockboy isnt in the tracker? |
| 20:09:49 | Chesteta | lucent: so can you play music?! :) |
| 20:10:12 | saratoga | Jaykay: how is it out of date? |
| 20:10:48 | bertrik | oggs and wav play nicely, mp3s are known to skip/stutter a lot on the clip |
| 20:11:20 | Jaykay | maybe out of date are the wrong words (as you may have noticed i cant write english...) but rockboy is not in svn (?) and not in the tracker so fs 4857 is not needed |
| 20:11:23 | lucent | Chesteta: I don't have any music on there right now, let me try... |
| 20:11:35 | lucent | I wasn't really interested in playing music with it yet |
| 20:11:36 | Chesteta | ... now if only my buttons worked... lol |
| 20:11:52 | Bagder | Jaykay: rockboy _is_ in svn |
| 20:12:04 | Jaykay | damned....... |
| 20:12:06 | saratoga | http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/plugins/rockboy/ |
| 20:13:35 | Jaykay | ok i was confused because its not shown in the plugin section.... |
| 20:14:22 | lucent | Are "##MUSIC#" and "##PORT#" hidden directories? |
| 20:15:23 | bertrik | lucent, yes those are weird, rockbox sees them, but both windows and linux do not |
| 20:15:26 | Jaykay | but there isnt anybody working on rockboy...? |
| 20:15:43 | kugel | saratoga: which target have you referred to when you said you like the backlight fade (again, I'm glad you like it :) ) |
| 20:15:48 | Bagder | Jaykay: nope |
| 20:15:55 | Jaykay | ok |
| 20:16:03 | lucent | bertrik: I've heard rumors of ways to make those visible from Windows platform using flash drive recovery tools |
| 20:16:25 | lucent | bertrik: it's not normally iterated with the mass storage driver in Linux kernel |
| 20:16:55 | kugel | bertrik: I looked at the generic i2c, and i2c_read_data == -4 basically means that the sda pin is 0 |
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| 20:17:22 | saratoga | kugel: sansa e200 |
| 20:17:28 | Chesteta | sorry... wifi issues |
| 20:19:50 | saratoga | Jaykay: you can see whos working on files by looking at that SVN link i posted above |
| 20:19:58 | lucent | Chesteta: confirmed, music plays back |
| 20:20:16 | lucent | Chesteta: I'm still getting frequent panics with the SD issue mentioned before, and the database |
| 20:21:20 | * | bertrik hasn't seen any sd panics on his 1GB clip in the past week |
| 20:21:59 | Chesteta | lucent: is that after putting 1+ gb of data on the device? |
| 20:22:21 | lucent | no, did a "format" using utility in OF |
| 20:22:32 | bertrik | kugel, no, -4 is returned when the i2c slave does not ACK the device address, which means it didn't send a 0 back after receiving the address |
| 20:22:36 | lucent | then added .rockbox/* and a single mp3 in the MUSIC dir |
| 20:23:08 | Chesteta | ok... I was also wondering if we could partition our devices into multiple small drives |
| 20:23:30 | Chesteta | would be a pain to navigate :) |
| 20:23:32 | kugel | bertrik: getack returns 0 "if (iface->sda())"; |
| 20:23:45 | gevaerts | Chesteta: wouldn't help anyway. The problem is at a lower level |
| 20:23:48 | saratoga | i think the problem is that the SD driver can only read one bank of the SD card |
| 20:24:00 | saratoga | pretty sure the rockbox fat driver is workign fine |
| 20:24:09 | Chesteta | I tried as i stated before but with no luck... there may be other partition tools that work better |
| 20:24:10 | kugel | and sda() is "return SDA_PIN" |
| 20:24:41 | lucent | saratoga: Clip has.... an embedded SD? |
| 20:24:49 | lucent | I'm confused about that part |
| 20:24:57 | kugel | bertrik: (and i2c_outb returns getack, and if getack is 0, i2c_read_data returns -4) |
| 20:24:59 | Chesteta | saratoga: so if we format in fat (instead of fat32) it may work better? |
| 20:25:21 | bertrik | yes, there seems to be some kind of NAND flash <-> SD controller built-in |
| 20:25:29 | kugel | saratoga: yep, it looks like bank switching needs to be implemented, I surely will have a look as soon as buttons work |
| 20:25:47 | lucent | kugel: which player do you have access to? |
| 20:25:55 | kugel | fuze 4gb |
| 20:26:00 | lucent | :) |
| 20:26:13 | lucent | it's scary to try a bootloader without knowing if the buttons will work |
| 20:26:53 | kugel | the buttons work in the bootloader. Besides a faulty bootloader can't break the player, since the dual boot isn't handled by the bootloader |
| 20:27:15 | lucent | ah |
| 20:27:22 | Chesteta | lucent: you got it working once before :) |
| 20:27:47 | lucent | I've got an 8gb fuze and would be willing to test any work you put in on the SD driver |
| 20:28:11 | bertrik | kugel, so sda() returned something else than the expected 0 and caused getack to return 0, which is interpreted as failure. So sda() was high, not low as was expected. |
| 20:29:00 | kugel | bertrik: ah right, I missread |
| 20:29:26 | saratoga | Chesteta: no the fat driver is working fine, hence it doesn't matter |
| 20:29:40 | saratoga | we've been using it for years on targets with 10s of GB |
| 20:29:46 | lucent | Chesteta: fat driver probably covers all "versions" of FAT |
| 20:29:49 | kugel | so our sda_pin is high. but they key is that the sda_pin doesn't change upon button press I guess |
| 20:29:57 | Chesteta | saratoga: oh right on, understood ;) |
| 20:30:10 | Jaykay | ive got a question: why are there sometimes revisons whose diffs are only showing -no changes-? (as the last revision) |
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| 20:30:55 | bertrik | white space changes or svn property changes I think |
| 20:31:06 | kugel | bertrik: why does it sda_hi() after checking sda() ? |
| 20:31:21 | Jaykay | what is svn property? |
| 20:31:45 | rasher | Jaykay: r19423 only changed whitespace |
| 20:31:55 | Jaykay | ok thanks |
| 20:31:59 | admin1lbo | quick question how do you install rockbox on an sansa e200 with the utliity in fedora 10 |
| 20:32:01 | admin1lbo | ? |
| 20:32:14 | rasher | Jaykay: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/lang/english.lang?r1=19422&r2=19423&pathrev=19423&diff_format=u |
| 20:32:37 | Jaykay | thanks |
| 20:32:41 | bertrik | kugel, I don't know. I think the generic driver is a bit weird. |
| 20:33:11 | kugel | I'd think it should be done before, and the sda() checks if it worked |
| 20:33:24 | kugel | but I haven't written it and I don't understand it at all |
| 20:33:39 | bertrik | kugel, are you familiar with i2c at all? |
| 20:33:44 | kugel | not at all |
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| 20:34:32 | kugel | but returning 0 if it's high and then setting it high is surely weird |
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| 20:37:57 | bertrik | sda is a bidirectional pin in the protocol, so master and slave can both set it. In this case, first the master checks the sda state, produces a clock edge, then sets it high. |
| 20:39:20 | bertrik | the generic i2c driver is a bit weird because it explicitly set sda as output and then outputs a high level, this could produce a bus level conflict if the slave tries to drive it low at the same time. |
| 20:41:04 | bertrik | in the i2c protocol that I'm familiar with, the SDA and SCL lines are never set to a "hard" 1 and can only output a hard 0. Setting the pins to high-impedance mode (inputs) allows a set of pull-up resistors to pull the lines high. |
| 20:41:58 | kugel | bertrik: "could produce conflicts" doesn't sound good |
| 20:42:20 | kugel | maybe you can rewrite it a bit so it meets your knowledge and I see if it works better? |
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| 20:50:48 | kugel | bertrik: weird that I get -4 no matter of the delay if I change scl/sda accordingly do teh hardwaremappings page, isn't it? |
| 20:51:15 | kugel | but neither result in a button detection so... |
| 20:53:35 | Jaykay | two questions regarding the lang files: is there any sense in writing sometimes sound_settings and sometimes sound settings (without _) |
| 20:53:40 | Jaykay | and what is superbass? |
| 20:53:58 | admin1lbo | help need a way to install rockbox on my sansa e200 |
| 20:54:45 | Jaykay | admin1lbo: download rbutil |
| 20:54:55 | admin1lbo | tried it and it doesn't do diddly |
| 20:55:06 | lucent | admin1lbo: bootloader piggybacks onto existing firmware |
| 20:55:10 | Chesteta | admin1lbo: do you have an e200 or an e200v2? |
| 20:55:16 | admin1lbo | e200 |
| 20:55:24 | admin1lbo | and bootloader wont install or run |
| 20:55:30 | gevaerts | admin1lbo: so what exactly goes wrong? |
| 20:55:38 | admin1lbo | tried both the utility and doing it manually and nothing |
| 20:55:39 | admin1lbo | it wont boot |
| 20:55:44 | gevaerts | "nothing |
| 20:55:51 | gevaerts | "nothing" is a it vague |
| 20:55:54 | admin1lbo | release 3.0 |
| 20:56:02 | admin1lbo | it wont boot |
| 20:56:28 | * | domonoky thinks rbutil shoudnt do "diddly" whatever that is :-) |
| 20:56:37 | gevaerts | So does it show anything on the screen? |
| 20:57:02 | admin1lbo | NO IT DOES NOT BOOT INTO ROCKBOX IT JUST BOOTS INTO THE ORIGINAL FIRMWARE |
| 20:57:22 | gevaerts | So why didn't you say that? |
| 20:57:35 | admin1lbo | I did I quote' it wont boot' |
| 20:57:43 | Chesteta | but it does boot |
| 20:57:48 | Chesteta | it boots into the original firmware |
| 20:57:58 | admin1lbo | k you got me there |
| 20:57:59 | gevaerts | And now you say it _does_ boot into the OF. Please make up your mind before asking for help |
| 20:58:02 | lucent | Chesteta makes an excellent point |
| 20:58:02 | Chesteta | "it doesnt boot" could mean the device does not power up |
| 20:58:19 | lucent | I have to run and go to work |
| 20:58:26 | Chesteta | peace lucent |
| 20:58:26 | lucent | thanks for all the advice and help today, folks |
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| 20:58:58 | lucent | Rockbox is really neat, I am anxious to make it my daily firmware for music playback :) |
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| 21:00:56 | Jaykay | is anybody so nice and answers my questions? ;) |
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| 21:02:33 | * | bluebrother wonders what diddly means |
| 21:02:47 | rasher | midgey: Not too happy with the way Turkish turned out, but I think that's all there was in it |
| 21:03:02 | midgey | better than nothing |
| 21:03:14 | rasher | Jaykay: Do you mean in the desc field? That doesn't matter - it's simply a comment |
| 21:03:18 | lucent | bluebrother: usually it's vulgar and refers to sex, but in the silly or obscure context of "nothing meaningful" |
| 21:03:30 | Chesteta | admin1lbo: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility |
| 21:03:48 | lucent | and with that I'm out... ;) |
| 21:03:49 | rasher | Jaykay: Superbass is a feature of the archos sound decoding wotsit that adds "Super bass" to the sound |
| 21:04:50 | Jaykay | rasher: when i compile rockbox for i.e. the sansa e200 i guess the "translation" for superbass is still in the lang file? |
| 21:05:48 | rasher | Jaykay: Nope - only the targets which have the "masf" feature get that in their lang file |
| 21:06:07 | Jaykay | so same thing with mdb? |
| 21:06:41 | rasher | Jaykay: Yup - the text to the left of the colon denotes which targets include that phrase |
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| 21:07:10 | Jaykay | ah i see |
| 21:07:12 | Jaykay | thanks |
| 21:08:27 | n1s | petur: doesn't the recording screen still fall back to sysfont when the text doesn't fit on the display? |
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| 21:11:04 | midgey | rasher: did I miss something in the Serbian update? |
| 21:12:19 | rasher | midgey: you could've deprecated LANG_RESTARTING_PLAYBACK |
| 21:12:39 | Jaykay | im sorry if im annoying.... why is fm-radio translated with ukw-radio in german? |
| 21:12:43 | Jaykay | its the same |
| 21:12:44 | midgey | bah, i'll fix that |
| 21:16:37 | pixelma | Jaykay: why not? I believe UKW is (or at least was) the more common abbrevation, just saying - I didn't translate that myself so can't tell you the reason but I don't see any need to change it |
| 21:16:41 | rasher | Jaykay: you'll have to ask one of the germans about that. Jörg Hohensohn did the translation, but he's not around here much. |
| 21:17:59 | Jaykay | pixelma: i think fm is the more common abbrevation^^ |
| 21:18:10 | Jaykay | and im german:) |
| 21:18:21 | Jaykay | but ok there is no need in changing this |
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| 21:24:36 | pixelma | Jaykay: but don't let that stop you to suggest improvements, I know some things could possibly be translated better |
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| 21:25:43 | Jaykay | ok so my suggestion for improvement is to change ukw-radio in fm-radio^^ |
| 21:26:10 | Jaykay | but since its the same its equal.... |
| 21:26:29 | Jaykay | i mean there is no sense in changing this |
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| 21:28:00 | pixelma | I mean in general :) |
| 21:28:09 | Jaykay | ok^^ |
| 21:29:40 | Jaykay | another question(...) why are there so much "prhases" in the lang files which are deprecated? why dont you delete them? |
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| 21:31:10 | * | bluebrother has heard UKW much more often than FM in german |
| 21:31:11 | domonoky | deleting them make it incomaptible to previous versions, especially for older voice files. |
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| 21:32:56 | * | Jaykay still thinks that fm is more often used, but he also thinks its not worth discussing about it |
| 21:33:05 | Jaykay | domonoky: thanks^^ |
| 21:33:28 | bluebrother | Jaykay: you could ask wikipedia about that. I bet those guys know best ;-) |
| 21:34:58 | Jaykay | i already did, but they dont say how often wich version is used ^^ |
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| 21:38:37 | Jaykay | so my cd player says fm (yes he can play radio;)) |
| 21:39:16 | domonoky | may sansa just says "radio" :-) |
| 21:40:23 | Bensawsome | lol |
| 21:40:46 | Jaykay | not bad^^ |
| 21:41:08 | Jaykay | which language? |
| 21:41:17 | domonoky | german |
| 21:41:59 | rasher | Not a bad idea - the FM is more or less redundant |
| 21:43:02 | Jaykay | but actally there isnt any phrase whish just says "radio".... |
| 21:43:07 | Jaykay | but doesnt matter |
| 21:43:42 | Jaykay | i agree with rasher, in fact fm and ukw is useless^^ |
| 21:43:50 | Jaykay | are.... |
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| 21:45:19 | pixelma | the DAB equipped targets (some D2s and the Logik DAX) also only have DAB exclusively right? |
| 21:45:54 | pixelma | just making sure, if so I agree that the "UKW" could be dropped |
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| 21:47:04 | * | kugel votes for "Rundfunk" :) |
| 21:47:23 | * | Jaykay agrees with kugel |
| 21:48:08 | Jaykay | so kugel what is more used: fm ore ukw? :) |
| 21:49:26 | kugel | my radio says FM, but I'm used to both. I don't feel strong about either |
| 21:55:50 | dfkt | frequency modulation or ultrakurzwelle? tough choice on a global scale... |
| 21:56:49 | rasher | I'll bet FM works in a lot of languages |
| 21:57:05 | pixelma | would work in German too |
| 21:57:20 | pixelma | or does ;) |
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| 21:58:57 | Zagor | 5 second backlight timeout is a lousy default |
| 21:59:18 | rasher | It seemed a bit fast for me |
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| 22:01:07 | Zagor | it's way too short. 30 is reasonable."backlight" on many targets pretty much means "display". when the backlight goes out, you see nothing. hence it's a power mgmgt mode, which should only kick in after user idles a while |
| 22:01:43 | kugel | also, new users seem to be challenged with that short timeout |
| 22:01:50 | Zagor | indeed |
| 22:02:00 | rasher | I whole-heartedly agree |
| 22:02:21 | Jaykay | i would think 15 is better |
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| 22:02:23 | Jaykay | not 30 |
| 22:02:30 | rasher | Maybe the default should be dependent on READABLE_WITHOUT_BACKLIGHT (don't we have a define like that?) |
| 22:02:32 | kugel | I can understand. They try to read the main menu and have hardly time to read |
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| 22:03:33 | kugel | rasher: like I introduced in this patch? FS #8523 |
| 22:04:33 | rasher | kugel: Ah, that might be what I was thinking of. |
| 22:04:53 | Zagor | yeah I don't think we have anything like that in svn |
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| 22:05:15 | kugel | Nope, that's why I introduced it :) |
| 22:06:39 | rasher | kugel: have you tried a battery bench with and without this patch, for example with caption backlight on to simulate backlight usage during playback? |
| 22:07:23 | kugel | rasher: No, but there was a report in another task that "showing wps" vs "showing main menu" makes up a 15% difference in runtime |
| 22:08:00 | kugel | with backlight off all the time, that is |
| 22:08:18 | Jaykay | not bad.... |
| 22:08:39 | Jaykay | i guess aeverythings updated in the wps even if the bakclight is off |
| 22:08:45 | Jaykay | including the statusbars? |
| 22:08:49 | kugel | Jaykay: hence the title of that task |
| 22:09:17 | kugel | the wps is updated since there're targets where the screen is readable without backlight |
| 22:09:19 | bluebrother | "Rundfunk" does not include TV? |
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| 22:09:50 | Jaykay | i think this was a joke, rundfunk is really old-fashioned..... |
| 22:09:54 | kugel | bluebrother: hmm, right. I guess ZincAlloy's "Hörfunk" matches even better |
| 22:10:22 | bluebrother | urgh, that sounds even more 50s |
| 22:10:33 | kugel | yes :) |
| 22:10:48 | bluebrother | "MP3-Abspieler" :) |
| 22:11:00 | petur | n1s: yes, but only in cases where you have a very very large font selected (insanely) compared to your screen size. So I wouldn't care about it using sysfont at that moment, it is just better than showing a splash |
| 22:11:34 | Jaykay | mp3 is still to new for abspieler^^ |
| 22:11:40 | rasher | petur: what does it use the sysfont for? Displaying text, or numbers? |
| 22:12:21 | Jaykay | kugel: i thought the patch only disables chaning of alternating textes? |
| 22:12:22 | bluebrother | is a READABLE_WITHOUT_BACKLIGHT really necessary? Are there any targets with color display around that are actually readable without backlight and non-color targets that are unreadable? |
| 22:12:30 | ZincAlloy | "Digitalaudiospieler" |
| 22:12:36 | Jaykay | better^^ |
| 22:12:58 | kugel | Jaykay: No, I think the title tells what it does |
| 22:12:58 | bluebrother | someone should make a "old german" translation ;-) |
| 22:13:03 | rasher | bluebrother: I think someone reported the Nano to be readable, but I'm not sure |
| 22:13:08 | Jaykay | kugel: ok |
| 22:13:12 | rasher | Could be another target I'm thinking of |
| 22:13:22 | bluebrother | rasher: we could ignore the nano :P |
| 22:13:22 | midgey | isn't the video readable too? |
| 22:13:26 | Zagor | bluebrother: don't some ipods have transflexive screens? |
| 22:13:29 | kugel | why should a patch aim for disabling alternating sublines? |
| 22:13:43 | pixelma | yes, the Ipods with colour screens are quite readable without backlight |
| 22:14:01 | Jaykay | kugel: i think you mentioned the reason already, battery runtime? |
| 22:14:53 | bluebrother | Zagor: I don't know, hence the question ... but I only experienced color -> unreadable, non-color -> readable |
| 22:14:56 | pixelma | Video, Nano, 4G Photo/Colour (although I didn't find the latter as good as the two former but could only compare from memory) |
| 22:15:34 | kugel | Zagor: Hmm, getting back to that patch, I'm under the impression that this should be wanted in svn? |
| 22:15:51 | Jaykay | but withoud the fast-changing lines.... |
| 22:15:54 | Zagor | kugel: the patch or the define? |
| 22:15:58 | kugel | Jaykay: of course.. |
| 22:16:05 | kugel | Zagor: both |
| 22:16:06 | Jaykay | both^^ |
| 22:16:08 | Jaykay | -.- |
| 22:16:12 | Zagor | kugel: which patch is that? |
| 22:16:20 | kugel | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8523 |
| 22:16:34 | kugel | it needs work |
| 22:16:40 | kugel | but from the idea, I mean |
| 22:16:48 | pixelma | IMO it would be a real pitty to turn the LCD off on the Video/Nano without backlight |
| 22:16:48 | rasher | It seems like something that should be done |
| 22:17:05 | Zagor | kugel: yes, I like the idea |
| 22:17:43 | kugel | but I think the check shouldn't be for backlight, but rather for lcd_enabled |
| 22:17:46 | Zagor | ...if we can show that wps updating actually costs anything |
| 22:18:34 | bluebrother | did someone make measurements about the power saving when disabling the lcd? |
| 22:18:39 | Jaykay | is there any sense in disabling the lcd completely after maybe a minute without backlight? |
| 22:18:41 | Jaykay | on players with those not readable lcds.... |
| 22:19:02 | Jaykay | bluebrother: i dont think so, if its appreciated i would do this.... |
| 22:19:12 | bluebrother | I'm wondering if it really makes much of a difference. |
| 22:19:20 | Zagor | Jaykay: on unreadable lcd:s it would make more sense to disable instead of just turning off the backlight |
| 22:19:28 | kugel | Zagor: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8379#comment21201 |
| 22:19:40 | Zagor | again, if we find it makes a power difference |
| 22:20:36 | Jaykay | zagor: but the lcd is not disabled right? |
| 22:20:56 | Jaykay | this should save even more power |
| 22:21:03 | kugel | Jaykay, Zagor: Targets where the display is unreadable without backlight do already turn of "lcd_enable(false)" in their backlight_off function |
| 22:21:04 | pixelma | disabling the LCD is already done on some of those unreadable ones (on the Sansas and X5 for sure) |
| 22:21:06 | Zagor | kugel: thanks, I missed that comment. 15% is a lot. |
| 22:21:16 | bluebrother | that sounds a lot. Having actual current numbers would be still interesting though. |
| 22:21:33 | kugel | Zagor: and I heard a very similar report some time ago |
| 22:22:07 | pixelma | bertrik benchmarked runtime on a c200 (IIRC) before committing the LCD disable |
| 22:22:10 | kugel | some time as in a few month, way after that comment |
| 22:22:41 | kugel | pixelma: the disabling doesn't stop the wps updating though |
| 22:24:05 | bluebrother | which leaves the question how much power the wps needs, and if / to what extend that depends on the theme used |
| 22:24:41 | Jaykay | another thing: is there any way to disable the database rebuild on the e200 without connecting it with a computer? |
| 22:25:15 | Zagor | bluebrother: it probably is very depending on the wps used. |
| 22:25:37 | bluebrother | Zagor: that's my guess too. |
| 22:25:40 | Jaykay | its kinda annoying if you just want to check something out in the OF but changed a file with rockbox |
| 22:25:54 | kugel | probably thinks like scrolling also affect it |
| 22:25:58 | pixelma | kugel: I know, but thought one question was also about power savings from turning the LCD off |
| 22:26:01 | Zagor | Jaykay: OF is annoying per definition :) |
| 22:26:02 | kugel | things* |
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| 22:27:30 | Jaykay | zagor: i agree^^ but i think rockbox should make comparisons with the OF as easy as possible, because the finding of resons why rockbox is better will be easier.... |
| 22:27:56 | Zagor | Jaykay: well we can't change how the OF works |
| 22:28:54 | Jaykay | rockbox can prevent the OF of e200 from rebuilding the database when the player is connected with a computer.... |
| 22:29:41 | Zagor | Jaykay: yes, but that is an exception. |
| 22:30:02 | Zagor | we managed to find some bits to fool the OF into skipping that rebuild |
| 22:30:06 | Jaykay | back to the wps updating: shall i do some battery benchs with(out)the patch and different themes? |
| 22:30:30 | rasher | Jaykay: that'd be grand. Try a completely blank wps as well |
| 22:30:44 | Jaykay | Zagor: so it would be easy to do that i.e. when a second button is hold down.... |
| 22:30:56 | Jaykay | this would make some things easier |
| 22:31:18 | Jaykay | rasher: what do you mean with a completely blank wps, and where do i get this? |
| 22:31:43 | bluebrother | just use an empty wps file. It should show simply nothing :) |
| 22:31:48 | kugel | that test could take some time though :) |
| 22:32:07 | kugel | I think main menu vs cabbiev2 is most interesting so start with that please :) |
| 22:32:14 | pixelma | a totally empty .wps will show the status bar |
| 22:32:34 | rasher | Jaykay: A file with simply "%wd" on the first line |
| 22:32:54 | Jaykay | pixelma: not when the statusbar is disabled right? |
| 22:33:41 | pixelma | ah true, it respects the global setting. Didn't think of it as I never disable the status bar in menus |
| 22:33:45 | kugel | Jaykay: you may use a .ape music file, to shorten the whole test |
| 22:34:55 | Zagor | kugel: well that will decrease the significance of wps differences |
| 22:35:30 | Jaykay | i agree with zagor, additionally i dont have music in .ape^^ |
| 22:36:51 | kugel | Zagor: but using mp3 or flac will not show reliable results either, as they need less cpu than unboosted |
| 22:37:08 | kugel | so the wps updating is basically free |
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| 22:38:21 | Zagor | I'd say the best test is showing the wps, but pause the music . |
| 22:38:28 | Jaykay | how about mp3's with 320kbits? |
| 22:38:45 | Jaykay | zagor: this would need more than a day..... for a single test |
| 22:38:45 | Zagor | we want to know how much difference different wpses do, nothing else |
| 22:38:48 | Unhelpful | Zagor: that could take a while to show real drain... |
| 22:39:11 | * | rasher points Unhelpful at FS #9631 |
| 22:39:21 | kugel | Zagor: the cpu runs at 30MHz at minimum. Everything that doesn't need 30MHz will not show any difference I think |
| 22:39:24 | bluebrother | rasher: sudoku_generate takes a char* as second argument but you pass it a const char*. Thus you discard the const qualifier. Make sudoku_generate take a const char* and everything is fine |
| 22:39:55 | kugel | Zagor: on the e200 that is |
| 22:40:01 | pixelma | but when music is paused there will be no progress bar or time display updates (maybe also a factor who knows) |
| 22:40:12 | kugel | Unhelpful: I don't know if's related, but I have a particular album art which data aborts in pictureflow, but not in the wps (cabbiev2) |
| 22:40:49 | pixelma | not to mention peak meter when someone uses it |
| 22:41:18 | Zagor | boosting is done in specific places in the code, is it not? |
| 22:41:22 | kugel | the test music needs to drive the cpu a bit, else it doesn't add cpu load |
| 22:42:12 | kugel | at least I think so. |
| 22:42:45 | Bagder | unless we "sleep" the chip when we can |
| 22:42:54 | Bagder | which we at least used to do |
| 22:43:55 | Jaykay | kugel: cant the cpu switch to 24mhz? i saw it somewhere im entwicklerbereich (debug) |
| 22:43:56 | Zagor | I don't see how wps changes can affect power consumption at all, unless the lcd activity uses more power |
| 22:44:17 | Zagor | more wps cpu use doesn't affect cpu_boost() frequency |
| 22:44:18 | rasher | bluebrother: ah! |
| 22:44:26 | kugel | Jaykay: 30 and 80 are the performance levels |
| 22:44:52 | Zagor | unless, as Bagder says, we sleep away idle time |
| 22:44:52 | Jaykay | kugel: when you press select in cpu frequenzy, it switches to 24mhz |
| 22:44:52 | Jaykay | ... |
| 22:45:13 | Zagor | in which case I maintain that cutting the codec out of the test will yield much better accuracy |
| 22:45:13 | bluebrother | Zagor: copying data (especially graphics) around for display? |
| 22:45:27 | kugel | Zagor: well, when the cpu needs to calculate the updates, it can't sleep |
| 22:45:30 | Jaykay | but why doesnt the cpu use 24mhz when it has nothing to do? |
| 22:45:47 | kugel | yea, you're probably right then |
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| 22:46:09 | Bagder | Jaykay: because the clock switch isn't free so it's about finding the "best" compromise |
| 22:46:41 | kugel | Jaykay: probably because someone has chosen 30MHz when he did the port |
| 22:46:47 | Bagder | and we only have one boost level |
| 22:47:04 | Bagder | kugel: not only that, it has also been tested and proven |
| 22:47:50 | kugel | Bagder: 24MHz works well too though. But it's way too slow without some gui boost implementation |
| 22:48:09 | Bagder | since for example the gui doesn't boost, we need speed enough to do a non-sluggish gui |
| 22:48:13 | rasher | I wouldn't call that working well |
| 22:48:32 | Bagder | I agree, it's a weird definition of "workign well" |
| 22:49:06 | Bagder | personally, I'd like interaction to cause boost |
| 22:49:12 | Zagor | I think he means it's been tested and works, but is too slow for the gui |
| 22:49:34 | Bagder | right, but I meant tested and works fine for sound + ui and the rest |
| 22:49:41 | kugel | "well" as in the hardware does that well (not counting the software in). Also, the only situation I tried 24MHz was with gui boost |
| 22:49:42 | bluebrother | urgh. Updating from Qt 4.4.0 to 4.4.3 increases the rbutil binary by about 1MiB :( |
| 22:49:43 | Zagor | yeah, I know :) |
| 22:50:00 | Jaykay | 24mhz _works well_ when you just navigate through menus or files.... |
| 22:50:01 | * | bluebrother goes checking if he overlooked something to disable when building |
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| 22:50:09 | bertrik | I'm a bit surprised that 24 MHz is apparently not enough for non-sluggish GUI |
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| 22:50:29 | Bagder | isn't that most nostable on things like ipod video with its huge screen |
| 22:50:59 | Zagor | amiconn: did you look any more at clk div boosting on pp targets? |
| 22:51:04 | kugel | yea, it didn't add sluggishness to the e200 (if I remember correctly) |
| 22:51:13 | kugel | I've tested it shortly without gui boost |
| 22:51:24 | petur | rasher: everything.... |
| 22:51:31 | Bagder | ... which basically is an argument for different speeds on different targets |
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| 22:52:31 | kugel | according to Buschel, the difference between 24MHz and 30Mhz doesn't yield as much runtime as one might think |
| 22:53:39 | Unhelpful | kugel: we're not using scale-on-load in PF yet |
| 22:54:01 | kugel | Unhelpful: no, but you changed the load function too. and pf loads bitmaps |
| 22:54:05 | Jaykay | i could do another two battery benchs, only showing the menu. one time time with 24, one time witz 30mhz |
| 22:54:11 | Jaykay | yippie |
| 22:54:30 | kugel | Jaykay: you can't run 24MHz without changing the source |
| 22:55:11 | kugel | in case you have 24MHz, you're obviously using a custom build. Only tests with the official build are valuable |
| 22:55:21 | Jaykay | so why does "cpu frequency" show 24mhz when pressing select? |
| 22:56:04 | Unhelpful | kugel: i've not found any cases of the unscaled loader failing in a bit... is there a particular AA that you could add to the scaler FS task, perhaps? |
| 22:56:27 | kugel | Unhelpful: Sure! |
| 22:56:37 | Jaykay | kugel: ? |
| 22:57:01 | kugel | Jaykay: you're running a custom build. Download and install the official one before you do any tests please |
| 22:57:19 | Jaykay | no im running the official build...... |
| 22:57:42 | kugel | hm |
| 22:57:46 | Jaykay | i did apply a patch for snake and for mandelbrot, they dont have anything to do with the |
| 22:57:52 | Jaykay | cpu frequency |
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| 22:59:02 | Unhelpful | be until at least tonight before i can check it... if it breaks in sim, you could try a sim build with ROCKBOX_VERBOSE_BMP_LOADER (i think) |
| 22:59:25 | kugel | Jaykay: You're right. I didn't know this is possible |
| 23:00 |
| 23:00:41 | kugel | Jaykay: don't touch cpu frequency if you make test. Let rockbox handle boosts |
| 23:00:56 | kugel | tests where you force a freq will hardly be meaningful |
| 23:01:02 | Jaykay | ok |
| 23:01:12 | midgey | rasher: did you mean to upload FS #9633 as a bug? ;) |
| 23:01:59 | kugel | Unhelpful: Oki doki |
| 23:02:44 | Jaykay | kugel: but if i do two benchs with 24 and 30mhz and only showing the menu, we would know wether 30mhz uses much more power than 24.... if this is the case then the developers could set the standard cpu frequency to 24mhz |
| 23:03:13 | Jaykay | so rockbox is only switching too 30mhz if its really needed |
| 23:03:20 | bluebrother | don't we have three frequency steps on H100? IIRC there's 11MHz too (but that's only used in the fm screen) |
| 23:03:42 | rasher | midgey: err nope |
| 23:04:04 | Unhelpful | actually, a sim at all should tell you if it's any of the things that will cause an unscaled load to fail, all or nearly all of those have regular DEBUGF |
| 23:05:02 | midgey | Zagor: when I log into flyspray, I can see dates on any of the comments |
| 23:05:05 | Unhelpful | also, if anybody has a handy reference for C constant size/type suffixes... i need 16-bit, and all i remember is that U==unsigned :/ |
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| 23:05:46 | Zagor | midgey: I assume you mean can't? :) |
| 23:05:54 | midgey | indeed |
| 23:06:16 | midgey | we'll chalk that up to stress from finals :) |
| 23:06:51 | hobbs | Unhelpful: I don't believe there _is_ a suffix for that |
| 23:06:56 | hobbs | Unhelpful: only U, L, and LL |
| 23:06:59 | Unhelpful | do you see "bagder" next to all comments, despite the fact that he's not commented on the task, or committed it, etc? |
| 23:07:04 | Zagor | midgey: what do you see instead? nothing? |
| 23:07:10 | Unhelpful | s/committed/reported/ |
| 23:07:22 | rasher | midgey: did you set "Detailed date format" to something silly in your prefs? |
| 23:07:26 | Unhelpful | hobbs: cast it in the operation, then? |
| 23:07:31 | hobbs | Unhelpful: I suppose so. |
| 23:07:39 | kugel | Unhelpful: s maybe? |
| 23:07:50 | kugel | 123s, that'd be my guess |
| 23:08:07 | Unhelpful | syntax highlighting says otherwise :/ |
| 23:08:16 | midgey | rasher: haha looks like it got overwritten with my username during the updgrade |
| 23:08:37 | Zagor | weird |
| 23:08:57 | midgey | what's it supposed to be set to? |
| 23:09:14 | midgey | blank? |
| 23:09:19 | Unhelpful | surely not either "midgey" or "bagder" ;) |
| 23:10:05 | Unhelpful | blank works for me |
| 23:10:09 | * | rasher has it set to %Y-%m-%d %T, but that's probably not standard |
| 23:10:24 | midgey | if i try blank it reverts to my username |
| 23:10:25 | amiconn | Zagor: Nope. I know it's doable, and should be relatively easy. But I see no need for it, and it limits the choice of clock frequencies |
| 23:11:03 | Zagor | the gain would be to lower the cost of boost |
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| 23:11:29 | midgey | setting it to the same as rasher worked... |
| 23:12:39 | amiconn | Zagor: Yes, but imo there's no real need. We can't do that on all targets anyway, and hence we need always need a mode of operation that limits the boost/unboost rate |
| 23:13:00 | amiconn | On a lowmem target things are different, of course |
| 23:13:23 | Unhelpful | hrm, need to look @ the SH asm ref again |
| 23:14:11 | Zagor | amiconn: not necessarily. we could use two different models: very low idle freq with lots of boosting for div-clk targets and a higher idle freq with less frequent boosting for coldfire |
| 23:15:07 | Unhelpful | amiconn: i went back to the "old" bmp loader for reference when i started on HQ greyscale, and i see a fair number of differences that i didn't introduce, in terms of how things are calculated. the comments seem to suggest that you did a lot of the size optimization, i might need to bother you (more than i have) at some point about getting loader size down :/ |
| 23:15:12 | amiconn | Maybe, but then there are 2 facts which contradict each other |
| 23:15:25 | Zagor | I don't know if the gain would outweigh the added complexity though |
| 23:16:23 | amiconn | If we want to lower the idle freq and boost for ui, it would make sense to go 24MHz. But then we'd also want the extra bonus of disabling the pll when at 24MHz - which then means we cannot boost quickly... |
| 23:17:04 | kugel | Unhelpful: interesting. The cover doesn't show in the sim, but on target |
| 23:17:29 | kugel | and pictureflow shows a wrong cover in the sim |
| 23:17:30 | Zagor | amiconn: those are not contradictory. we simply cannot disable pll in that scenario. |
| 23:17:33 | amiconn | Unhelpful: Imo the non-scaling loader size difference isn't that large. But I might have a look anyway |
| 23:17:35 | Unhelpful | kugel: now i *know* that's not me ;) |
| 23:17:51 | amiconn | Right now I'm going to compare sizes for the >>8 brightness versus svn |
| 23:18:07 | * | amiconn is curious |
| 23:18:09 | kugel | Unhelpful: You're the bmp man now, no matter of the changes you did :) |
| 23:18:31 | Zagor | everything is of course a matter of "how much do we gain" versus "how much does it hurt" |
| 23:18:33 | Unhelpful | ah, that's a size lose pretty much everywhere, i have a smaller mono brightness that's probably good enough for mono. |
| 23:18:45 | kugel | Unhelpful: pf segfaults when I click on that wrong image |
| 23:19:13 | Unhelpful | tbh i've seriously considered that we should do (0,1,0)/1 for mono ;) |
| 23:20:27 | kugel | Unhelpful: Why does the image show up on target? |
| 23:20:52 | Unhelpful | kugel: i don't know, did you clear cache on both? it might be wise to do that manually, also... |
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| 23:21:07 | kugel | btw: it shows in pictureflow, it data aborts after clicking it |
| 23:21:10 | amiconn | Unhelpful: Saving binsize is always good, but it's not everything. A speed gain may be worth some binsize, as well as an accuracy gain |
| 23:21:24 | kugel | Unhelpful: pictureflow cache you mean? yes I did that |
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| 23:21:59 | Unhelpful | amiconn: on mono-only targets, we never dither, hence i'm a bit less concerned with grey accuracy there. also, they have the lowest memory :/ |
| 23:22:23 | pixelma | kugel: wrong picture reminds me of that bug that was said to be fixed yesterday (the one with the clear cache)... do you have album art for all your albums and/or did you change music files/directories recently, updating the database but not pictureflow? |
| 23:22:27 | Unhelpful | (2,5,1)/8 has mean-squared-error of ~22 grey levels |
| 23:22:33 | amiconn | The mono targets do have a greylib though, and if we want to make the line output pluggable... |
| 23:23:30 | Unhelpful | oh! i thought that was only on the 2bpp targets. what uses it on mono, sliding_puzzle? |
| 23:23:34 | kugel | pixelma: I updated the database and then cleared the pf cache (using its option) |
| 23:23:48 | kugel | I'm fairly sure that my fix really fixes it |
| 23:25:37 | kugel | hmm |
| 23:26:21 | amiconn | Unhelpful: Not sliding_puzzle, no. Atm there is no plugin that uses the greylib and bmp files, mainly due to the fact that there is no bmp loader for the greylib yet |
| 23:27:15 | amiconn | But while bmp scaling and dithering etc doesn't make much sense in the core on mono targets, having it available for plugins would be a good thing, imo |
| 23:28:07 | pixelma | kugel: are there some albums without art, only showing the default? I only have a very few and when the bug happened to me I could usually see the art two times - one in the right place and the other a few steps before or after depending on how content had changed, probably on the old "spot" it would have been. Didn't try since yesterday |
| 23:28:10 | amiconn | Not all mono targets are lowmem, btw |
| 23:28:47 | kugel | pixelma: I think that just happened to me, yes |
| 23:29:01 | Unhelpful | i know about some of the "modern" mono targets. maybe the "nice" load+scale should be available in pluginlib, and the stripped one in core, on lowmem targets? |
| 23:29:09 | kugel | deleting the pf folder manually results in "?" instead of the same cover twice |
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| 23:30:12 | amiconn | I dunno how you measured, but I get an increase by a mere 16 bytes on recorder for the >>8 brightness |
| 23:30:23 | pixelma | kugel: sounds like the bug hasn't been fixed. Maybe it's not only related to the prepared bmps but also on how pf "remembers" the order? |
| 23:30:37 | amiconn | This is within measuring uncertainty (section alignment is 16 bytes on SH) |
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| 23:31:43 | kugel | pixelma: pf deletes the old cache now, but only for covers it's going to create. My test showed that it doesn't delete one of the the cache files |
| 23:32:23 | amiconn | Same amount on arm (mini g2), and +24 bytes on coldfire (h120) |
| 23:32:37 | Unhelpful | i was using "actual" size from rockbox-info, but perhaps i need to look @ the symbol w/ nm? |
| 23:32:45 | amiconn | But it's faster (no division) and more accurate |
| 23:33:01 | amiconn | I also used actual size from rockbox-info.txt |
| 23:33:31 | kugel | pixelma: indeed |
| 23:34:19 | Unhelpful | bizarre. i get +16 for the /256 brightness, and -32 for (2,5,1)/8 |
| 23:34:31 | Unhelpful | on sh, that is |
| 23:34:36 | pixelma | ZincAlloy: wanted to ask you... now there's the possibility to show something else while adjusting the volume, do you think this could be used in cabbiev2 (I'd find it quite useful if the volume icon could change and dB will be shown as the statusbar does, when there's space enough the dB could also show near the icon only while adjusting). It probably needs some viewport overhaul of the theme though and would take some time |
| 23:34:40 | amiconn | Yes, +16 for >>8 |
| 23:34:46 | amiconn | Why is that bizarre? |
| 23:35:19 | Unhelpful | i guess not, it matches yours |
| 23:35:41 | saratoga | I saw the dicussion of CPU frequency |
| 23:35:43 | * | Unhelpful claims tiredness |
| 23:35:48 | saratoga | this is actualyl something I've explored quite a lot |
| 23:36:08 | saratoga | basically, you will use a couple extra MHz doing LCD updates on most color targets |
| 23:36:15 | saratoga | and WPS updates too |
| 23:36:20 | saratoga | so the boost pecentage goes up |
| 23:36:34 | saratoga | on PP this means 1 mA of additional battery load for every 3MHz |
| 23:36:47 | saratoga | so updating the WPS takes about 1 mA of additional power |
| 23:37:19 | saratoga | however, my MP3 on COP patch worked around this problem by shifting a lot of the decode use for MP3 to the COP |
| 23:37:20 | kugel | pixelma: it did work before I moved the deletion a little down in the function. And that broke it without me noticing |
| 23:37:31 | saratoga | meaning theres extra MHz available for WPS updates without boosting |
| 23:37:50 | saratoga | so they're free, provided you have PP and only use MP3/FLAC/MPC |
| 23:38:29 | saratoga | however this is still not very efficient, and I have some ideas how it could be further improved |
| 23:39:15 | saratoga | I would eventually like to change how boost works, such that the normal frequency depends on how recently the buttons have been touched |
| 23:39:46 | saratoga | this way we could disable the WPS on targets like the Sansa, and reduce the CPU clock accordingly to save more power |
| 23:42:35 | saratoga | amiconn: regarding PLL, I'm assuming the gain Toni saw from it was because he actually reduced the core clock to 24MHz, and that the gain Buschel saw [<1mA] is correct |
| 23:42:42 | saratoga | in which case we might as well just leave it on |
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| 23:42:56 | ameyer | what's the normal power usage at 30 MHz for the Sansa anyway? |
| 23:42:59 | saratoga | though obviously its worth further testing on my part |
| 23:43:10 | saratoga | 30mA with current SVN according to Toni |
| 23:43:31 | Zagor | saratoga: I don't understand. how does boost percentage go up with lcd updates? |
| 23:44:01 | ameyer | so 3 MHz = about 3% battery life hit? |
| 23:44:22 | saratoga | Zagor: CPU time is spent in the driver and in the WPS code |
| 23:44:47 | toffe82 | on the test_disk_log of test_disk, the value to put on the wiki are the last three ? |
| 23:45:01 | ameyer | on color targets, couldn't you disable the WPS when the LCD was off? |
| 23:45:11 | ameyer | I know, probably easier said than done |
| 23:45:17 | Zagor | saratoga: do you really mean boost, or do you mean "not sleeping"? |
| 23:45:26 | saratoga | Zagor: boost |
| 23:45:30 | saratoga | sleeping saves almost nothing on PP |
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| 23:46:03 | kugel | rasher. pixelma: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9634 |
| 23:46:53 | Zagor | saratoga: then, again, please explain how frequent lcd_update causes more cpu_boost() calls to be done. I don't see how that can be. |
| 23:47:13 | saratoga | Zagor: perhaps this will clarify what I mean: http://www.duke.edu/~mgg6/rockbox/30mhz-2.png |
| 23:47:52 | saratoga | Zagor: time spent in the LCD driver and WPS code requires a higher average CPU clock then would otherwise be needed, this increase in CPU clock increases power draw from the battery |
| 23:48:59 | Zagor | saratoga: so you mean with less lcd_update we could lower the standard clock speed? you're not talking about the cpu_boost() call? |
| 23:49:02 | * | ameyer wonders what the power consumption of a CFmodded iPod Mini 2G is at 30 MHz |
| 23:49:03 | saratoga | this shows what boosting does to CPU load: http://www.duke.edu/~mgg6/rockbox/80mhz.png |
| 23:49:21 | kugel | saratoga: after that what Bagder said, even doing stuff at 30MHz isn't free, if it wakes up sleeping cores |
| 23:49:25 | saratoga | Zagor: the codec thread will boost the CPU more frequently the less of the CPU's time it gets |
| 23:49:43 | saratoga | kugel: sure but sleepign the core barely saves anything |
| 23:49:58 | kugel | that's what I thought too |
| 23:50:28 | amiconn | Unhelpful: Do you know what *is* weird? Using a >> 16 version is effeictively +/-0 on SH1... |
| 23:50:31 | saratoga | see the first graph I posted, it shows one CPU going to sleep while the other is still on |
| 23:50:43 | Unhelpful | whaaaaat? |
| 23:50:48 | amiconn | yes |
| 23:50:51 | Zagor | saratoga: aha! thank you |
| 23:51:20 | amiconn | Try it. Factors are 19596, 38469 and 7471 |
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| 23:52:38 | amiconn | +80 bytes on arm though, and +36 on coldfire |
| 23:52:43 | saratoga | i think the best solution would be to have the button code set a time stamp the last time a button changed, then have the normal CPU frequency change between 24 and maybe 45MHz depending on how recently a button was pressed |
| 23:52:55 | kugel | saratoga: so my assumption that using a codec which effectively runs under 30MHz most of the time will yield inaccurate measurements when measuring "show wps" vs "show main menu/blank wps"? |
| 23:52:58 | saratoga | the WPS update speed could also respond |
| 23:53:26 | kugel | + was true |
| 23:53:26 | saratoga | kugel: yes using mp3 for this will not work |
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| 23:53:35 | saratoga | you should probably use AAC or just disable MP3 on COP |
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| 23:53:44 | saratoga | AAC being the same speed as MP3 without the COP |
| 23:53:45 | amiconn | saratoga: The idea being discussed was switching to just using the post divider(s) for boostin gon PP |
| 23:54:07 | saratoga | amiconn: I'm not familar with how boosting actually works, how would that change things? |
| 23:54:11 | amiconn | Then boosting becomes essentially free, and can be done for the ui if a button is pressed |
| 23:54:29 | saratoga | ah you mean it eliminates the transistion time? |
| 23:55:05 | amiconn | Right now we have to wait for pll relock, which takes ~500µs on PP. Just switching the post divider (or even using the post-divider selector) takes maybe 1µs |
| 23:55:29 | saratoga | that'd be nice |
| 23:55:40 | amiconn | Thing is, we can do this on PP and on AS3525. We cannot do this on coldfire |
| 23:56:05 | amiconn | So we have to maintain 2 boosting strategies if we decide to go that route |
| 23:56:20 | amiconn | It also means that we are limited in the choice of frequencies |
| 23:56:50 | ameyer | but what would this new strategy do to power consumption while unboosted |
| 23:56:59 | amiconn | nothing |
| 23:57:01 | saratoga | though even 500us isn't bad, thats only 15uA at 30MHz |
| 23:57:31 | saratoga | or rather 15uA of average additional boost current |
| 23:57:45 | saratoga | i think my units are getting mixed up here |
| 23:57:54 | ameyer | should be in watts, I think |
| 23:57:58 | amiconn | But we would be able to boost/unboost more often, i.e. boost for ui operation (less sluggishness even witha low unboosted clock on G5), and having a smaller pcm buffer |
| 23:58:15 | saratoga | yeah that would be great |
| 23:58:38 | ameyer | what about power consumption while boosting part of the time? |
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