| 00:01:27 | lucent | kugel: ooooh I want to try :) |
| 00:02:36 | lucent | kugel: I'll send you the Clip2GB after a delay, I need paycheck money and pay my monthly rent first before other things ;) |
| 00:03:06 | kugel | no need to rush, we have time :) |
| 00:03:23 | lucent | the other night I tried to drive back to my apartment, and my car stopped and slid backwards down the hill in the snow |
| 00:04:00 | lucent | it was exciting, I guess. I never had used tire chains before then. So I think I will walk to the post office to send the Clip ;) |
| 00:05:10 | lucent | anytime I think that there is something I can complain about, I just think about my car being helpless in the snow... and I don't think I want to complain so much |
| 00:05:55 | lucent | kugel: I did leave some feedback on your flyspray task submission, all is working on my 8GB fuze |
| 00:06:11 | lucent | kugel: one question for you though, can we add buttons support to the bootloader? |
| 00:06:53 | kugel | lucent: there's button support for the bootloader |
| 00:07:03 | kugel | it prints text if you press any button |
| 00:07:14 | lucent | kugel: oh okay, yes I think that is working |
| 00:07:33 | lucent | kugel: on the Clip if I boot and hold "home" button or another, then it goes to the OF |
| 00:07:43 | lucent | kugel: is that part implemented? |
| 00:08:03 | kugel | yes |
| 00:08:24 | lucent | I could not make the 8gb Fuze boot to the OF using the rb bootloader |
| 00:08:28 | kugel | press |<< just after turning it on (you need to be fast, since dual boot is before the bootloader) |
| 00:08:51 | lucent | kugel: got it, just tried and it is working as you say. Thanks |
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| 00:14:08 | kugel | gevaerts, lucent: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9650 |
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| 00:21:26 | gevaerts | kugel: why the #ifdef SANSA_FUZE? Is the code likely to be different for *200? |
| 00:21:56 | kugel | no idea, it's safer this way |
| 00:22:03 | gevaerts | Maybe, yes |
| 00:22:16 | kugel | I don't want to know what happens if you mess with the interrupts based on wrong assumptions |
| 00:22:30 | gevaerts | Indeed. Especially for bootloaders |
| 00:22:49 | * | gevaerts will test this code on his clip before committing |
| 00:22:51 | kugel | bootloader shouldn't get hit, as it doesn't define mutlivolum or hotswap |
| 00:23:06 | gevaerts | No, but still |
| 00:23:21 | kugel | yes, you're right :) |
| 00:24:14 | kugel | lol, I never thought I'd get it working (i.e. mess with sd driver and get useful results), especially not within a few hours |
| 00:24:19 | kugel | but I'd great help |
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| 00:26:44 | Zagor | does anyone object to me committing a buildable database generator during feature freeze? it doesn't touch rockbox code other than adding/moving a few #ifdef __PCTOOL__ |
| 00:28:13 | * | Llorean has no objection. |
| 00:28:14 | lucent | kugel: I get a panic "card not initialised" when booting my 8GB Fuze |
| 00:28:28 | * | gevaerts doesn't object either |
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| 00:28:41 | kugel | lucent: with or without card inserted? |
| 00:28:54 | lucent | with card inserted, Fuze panics on boot |
| 00:29:00 | lucent | without card inserted, Fuze boots okay |
| 00:29:05 | lucent | insert card, Fuze panics |
| 00:29:45 | kugel | hmmm |
| 00:30:08 | lucent | 8GB Fuze, 8GB microSDHC card |
| 00:30:14 | kugel | it works for me |
| 00:30:17 | lucent | I don't have another capacity of card to try |
| 00:30:46 | gevaerts | Both normal builds and bootloaders built with this patch don't brick a clip |
| 00:31:14 | kugel | lucent: can you please install a recent svn bootloader, just to be sure? |
| 00:31:24 | lucent | kugel: sure! |
| 00:31:36 | lucent | kugel: just vanilla SVN, should I apply any patches? |
| 00:31:59 | kugel | try without patches first |
| 00:32:34 | * | gevaerts thinks he'll commit regardless of lucent's issue. The code looks clean (or at least the changes don't reduce cleanlyness), it works better for some people, and it doesn't work worse for others |
| 00:32:39 | kugel | and if that doesn't work, apply my button and lcd patches and recompile bootloader and main build |
| 00:33:41 | kugel | lucent: If it doesn't help I can only imagine that your card is super slow or something (even though I already have a budget one) |
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| 00:34:13 | lucent | kugel: class 6 microSDHC hm, that's what it is |
| 00:34:38 | kugel | is that better than class 2? |
| 00:34:39 | lucent | "Transcend microSDHC Class 6 8GB" |
| 00:34:58 | lucent | class 1 is slow, class 2 is faster, class 6 is fastest available to date |
| 00:35:00 | * | kugel assumes it's class 2, since he sees a tiny 2 within a ring on the card |
| 00:35:10 | kugel | lucent: oh, maybe it's too fast then :P |
| 00:35:16 | lucent | :P |
| 00:35:31 | kugel | I assume it works in the of? |
| 00:35:40 | lucent | I can say it does work with OF, yes. |
| 00:36:13 | lucent | I'm grabbing a vanilla SVN repo and will try what you suggest |
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| 00:39:54 | gevaerts | kugel: have you seen what the code would do after the goto that comes after the panic? |
| 00:40:16 | kugel | yes |
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| 00:40:23 | kugel | another panic |
| 00:40:47 | gevaerts | This code wants to make sure :) |
| 00:41:10 | kugel | and, after that panic, reset initialization of the card |
| 00:41:23 | kugel | gevaerts: apparently ;) |
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| 00:44:15 | kugel | oops |
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| 00:47:51 | kugel | gevaerts: bad news, I've forgotten a tiny thing |
| 00:47:59 | kugel | gevaerts: http://pastebin.ca/1286348 |
| 00:48:10 | Unhelpful | wait, panic(); goto label; panic();? |
| 00:48:35 | kugel | Unhelpful: and code after the last panic |
| 00:49:30 | kugel | Unhelpful: this way, he wants to make sure, that goto can't be considered harmful ,9 |
| 00:50:35 | kugel | eh, a yellow |
| 00:50:43 | gevaerts | I think that all those panics probably need to go once things start to stabilise a bit. The code calling this does check for errors |
| 00:51:19 | kugel | gevaerts: I think once the code is stable, those panics won't happen anyway, and thus they can stay imho |
| 00:51:52 | kugel | gevaerts: you need to make another post-commit, I'm so sorry |
| 00:51:52 | gevaerts | kugel: they can happen due to e.g. a bad card. You don't want to panic for that if you can avoid it |
| 00:52:24 | kugel | a bad card? /me pokes at lucent |
| 00:52:29 | kugel | :D |
| 00:52:44 | * | lucent peers into crystal bal |
| 00:52:47 | lucent | ball* |
| 00:53:06 | lucent | I don't know boss, I think the card is okay, or maybe OF is just really lucky |
| 00:53:19 | kugel | have you tried svn bootloader now? |
| 00:53:32 | lucent | about to compile, sorry for the wait |
| 00:53:52 | kugel | So, I have made sure, that both bootloader and build *only* patched with my patch work for me |
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| 00:54:55 | kugel | seeing this post-commits, adding the sd_enabled was a nightmare ;; |
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| 00:55:49 | lucent | kugel: I will be installing bootloader from plain SVN r19446, is that correct? |
| 00:56:42 | kugel | lucent: you might take the latest, bootloaders *shouldn't* be touched by this patch |
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| 00:57:37 | kugel | gevaerts: you wait for the build table? ;) |
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| 00:58:26 | kugel | sorry about the yellow btw: I still get this massive warnings due to ubuntu 8.10, so it happens that I overlook warnings |
| 00:59:26 | gevaerts | No problem |
| 00:59:51 | * | gevaerts wants to know why r19450 doesn't start building |
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| 01:00:10 | gevaerts | ah |
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| 01:03:58 | kugel | gevaerts: the weird thing. playback is still unreliable for ogg/mp3, as I still get panic for FIFO FULL on the internal storage, even though I'm playing from microsd |
| 01:04:49 | gevaerts | kugel: probably related to the playlist control file then |
| 01:05:44 | kugel | maybe |
| 01:05:55 | kugel | deactiving crossfeed seems to help |
| 01:06:09 | kugel | so, it might have something to do with slowness of decoding |
| 01:06:14 | lucent | kugel: okay, I have bootloader from plain SVN r19450 on my Fuze. Which firmware should I try, just plain svn r19450? |
| 01:06:24 | kugel | lucent: yeps |
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| 01:09:03 | kugel | hm, I'm kinda wish funman was here to see recent progress (especially on buttons) |
| 01:10:31 | lucent | kugel: okay, well the vanilla SVN has no working buttons ;) |
| 01:10:34 | kugel | mp3 is unplayable |
| 01:10:45 | lucent | my backlight turns off very quickly |
| 01:10:45 | kugel | lucent: sure, but does it panic? |
| 01:10:57 | kugel | inserting usb turns it on |
| 01:11:05 | kugel | if not, expect it to be panic'd |
| 01:11:23 | lucent | kugel: booting with 8GB microSD card = panic |
| 01:11:52 | lucent | booting without microSD card = OK |
| 01:12:00 | lucent | inserting microSD card = panic |
| 01:12:27 | kugel | hm weird. |
| 01:12:35 | kugel | "uninitialized card" yes? |
| 01:13:18 | kugel | lucent: I'm sorry, I can't really help. It seems card related. It works just fine here |
| 01:13:30 | kugel | and I can only test with cards I own |
| 01:14:47 | gevaerts | lucent: can you apply http://pastebin.ca/1286372 and try again? That should give a bit more information |
| 01:15:43 | kugel | oh yes, the return value tells much |
| 01:16:17 | kugel | gevaerts: I think it's funny how rockbox reboots when I play mp3 |
| 01:16:47 | gevaerts | kugel: try turning the volume down. If it helps on m200, it may help for fuze :) |
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| 01:19:00 | kugel | "MCI_DATA_TIMER(drive) = 0x1000000; /* FIXME: arbitrary */" :/ |
| 01:21:20 | lucent | gevaerts: will try, one minute while I make the update |
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| 01:26:31 | kugel | gevaerts: given that flac goes w/o problems (but still needs decoding, unlike wav), I think the panics are at least related to decoding speed |
| 01:26:54 | kugel | maybe the clocking is not sync'd very well or something |
| 01:30:13 | gevaerts | Possibly. That's an area that I'm not familiar with at all |
| 01:31:34 | lucent | gevaerts: "card not initialised -5" |
| 01:32:20 | kugel | -5, weird |
| 01:34:21 | kugel | gevaerts: another note: "while(!(card_info[drive].ocr & (1<<31)) && max_tries−−);" isn't it wrong in this way? I mean shouldnt't max_tries come first? |
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| 01:35:22 | kugel | (in init_sd_card()) |
| 01:35:50 | gevaerts | kugel: I don't think so. It's late though, so I could easily be wrong |
| 01:36:05 | kugel | ok |
| 01:36:45 | kugel | lucent: can you try to comment the line "return -5" out? it seems isn't cid isn't needed |
| 01:37:08 | kugel | that's line 259 in ata_sd_as3525.c |
| 01:37:17 | kugel | 295* |
| 01:37:22 | lucent | kugel: looking at it, let me try... one minute please |
| 01:37:47 | gevaerts | kugel: careful. If you comment that out but not the if, the next if will become conditional |
| 01:37:59 | kugel | ah yea |
| 01:38:14 | lucent | I know enough C, but good thing to remind me |
| 01:38:25 | gevaerts | So add an empty ; in place of the return |
| 01:38:28 | kugel | gevaerts: I know he's good in C :) |
| 01:38:56 | gevaerts | Anyway, I'm off to sleep now. Goodnight |
| 01:39:05 | kugel | but those errors can get very painful, indeed |
| 01:39:11 | kugel | gevaerts: night, thanks again for the help |
| 01:39:11 | lucent | thanks for the help and advice tonight gevaerts, best dreams for you! |
| 01:42:52 | lucent | kugel: uh... I need to check again if I wrote my code correctly, because now it returns -6 |
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| 01:44:50 | kugel | doing ";" instead of "return -5;" should do ti |
| 01:45:00 | lucent | ; /* return -5; */ /* 8GB microSD on Fuze doesn't need CID? */ |
| 01:45:16 | lucent | yeah that is what i have, now it returns -6 |
| 01:45:53 | kugel | uhm, well |
| 01:46:26 | lucent | should I not send CID? It's still evaluated even if we don't return from it |
| 01:46:51 | lucent | if(expression) does evaluate expression, in this case it's '!send_cmd(...)' |
| 01:46:52 | kugel | you might try |
| 01:47:27 | kugel | it's sending a command, and getting a response. That shouldn't matter unless we actually do something witht the response |
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| 01:49:54 | kugel | lucent: you can also look at send_cmd, there's 2 ways of returning false |
| 01:50:17 | lucent | kugel: ha, well if I remove that part out, the Fuze doesn't get very far ;P |
| 01:50:20 | kugel | one of which is that the card timed out |
| 01:50:49 | kugel | ok, then it might be needed ;) I haven't looked to far, just within the file |
| 01:50:58 | lucent | "ATA error: -6" "Press ON to debug" |
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| 01:53:50 | lucent | looking at send_cmd now |
| 01:54:41 | kugel | lucent: you can also add mci-delay() here and there, could very well be that we're too quick for the card |
| 01:55:45 | kugel | well, 50% success rate with my patch ain't good. Gotta find some more testers |
| 01:55:54 | lucent | agreed |
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| 01:56:21 | saratoga | post counts on the forums seem to be a bit off |
| 01:56:40 | saratoga | it seems that when posts are deleted sometimes the post count is decremented and sometimes it is not |
| 01:56:58 | kugel | lucent: Ok, I wish you good luck! I find the driver pretty straight forward, so if you're confused you might just take a look at a SD manual/doc |
| 01:57:25 | rasher | saratoga: Probably if the post is still in the "Removed post" "forum"? |
| 01:57:32 | kugel | saratoga: do you have a working fuze, and a microsd? |
| 01:57:59 | JdGordon | saratoga: also new ports doesnt count posts |
| 01:58:23 | kugel | JdGordon: I thought posts in unsupported builds don't count |
| 01:58:41 | kugel | how did I else get 50? |
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| 01:59:28 | JdGordon | or that one |
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| 02:01:44 | rasher | Seems more likely |
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| 02:02:05 | saratoga | Jdgordon: new ports does count, and removed posts isn't supposed to |
| 02:02:18 | saratoga | though I'm looking at someone with 7 posts, all in removed posts, and a post count of 4 |
| 02:02:47 | saratoga | kugel: yeah let me try it out |
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| 02:04:47 | kugel | saratoga: my patch works fine on my fuze+microsd, but apparently not on lucent's combo |
| 02:04:59 | saratoga | i've got a 2GB and a 1GB here |
| 02:05:05 | lucent | they're different combos though |
| 02:05:15 | * | lucent hopes saratoga's combo works |
| 02:05:22 | kugel | lucent: Hm, you haven't touched the partitions of your fuze do you? |
| 02:05:34 | lucent | kugel: nothing weird like that, it's all stock configuration and filesystems |
| 02:05:37 | saratoga | no i haven't |
| 02:05:51 | saratoga | oh sorry misread that last question |
| 02:05:56 | kugel | I've touched them (my fuze is actually only 500MB as of now), to workaround the problem with reading past 1GB |
| 02:06:31 | kugel | it could be, that rockbox has a problem with the layout of your fuze's internal memory and messes the SD up |
| 02:06:33 | mc2739 | kugel: my 4gb card works on e200v2 on first insert - remove and reinsert and I get DATA CRC FAIL |
| 02:06:57 | kugel | mc2739: was it the same gpio pin? |
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| 02:07:46 | mc2739 | I used svn - did not change gpio |
| 02:08:07 | kugel | but the #ifdef SANSA_FUZE I suppose |
| 02:08:13 | mc2739 | just added E200V2 to ifdefs |
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| 02:09:07 | kugel | mc2739: ehh, I get those too now. It was supposedly fixed before. I haven't had this when it went into svn |
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| 02:10:06 | mc2739 | wait, I am not vanilla svn, let me try again |
| 02:11:18 | kugel | mc2739: I got those too now. Only god knows why |
| 02:14:23 | lucent | kugel: I think I should try to cause a panic without any remmovable SD interaction |
| 02:16:11 | * | kugel doesn't understand this |
| 02:16:19 | kugel | it worked the whole time, now not anymore |
| 02:16:20 | saratoga | oddly my fuze doesn't boot, just gives me a panic, SD: Data timeout |
| 02:16:35 | kugel | ah, more news of not working |
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| 02:16:42 | saratoga | thats with no SD card |
| 02:16:45 | kugel | saratoga: w/o microsd? |
| 02:16:56 | kugel | uh |
| 02:16:58 | kugel | that's weird |
| 02:17:09 | lucent | kugel: your SD patch might be good but with some unrelated problem that always exists |
| 02:17:26 | lucent | like how you said your Fuze is modified to be 500mb |
| 02:17:40 | lucent | mine is not modified and I see the errors |
| 02:17:56 | lucent | saratoga: is your Fuze in stock configuration, any changes to the filesystems? |
| 02:19:26 | kugel | lucent: what's currently driving me crazy is that I get those CRC failures, which I should've fixed before it was committed |
| 02:19:53 | saratoga | i have not made any changes to the fuze, i just updated the bootloader and .rockbox to current svn |
| 02:21:10 | lucent | kugel: my Fuze device's internal memory is using 506M only with files |
| 02:21:20 | lucent | so maybe I am avoiding the bug because of that |
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| 02:24:20 | kugel | saratoga: and what happens if you boot with microsd? |
| 02:25:18 | saratoga | kugel: the same |
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| 02:26:15 | kugel | saratoga: that's really weird though. can you try r19446, to see if it's even related to my patch? |
| 02:29:16 | saratoga | kugel: sure |
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| 02:34:12 | saratoga | kugel: it also happens with r19446 |
| 02:34:38 | kugel | saratoga: uhm, seems to be related to your fuze then |
| 02:35:38 | kugel | mc2739: I think I can get it work again |
| 02:36:40 | mc2739 | kugel: what needs to be changed? |
| 02:37:02 | kugel | mc2739: try this http://pastebin.ca/1286428 |
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| 02:43:31 | kugel | mc2739: does it work? |
| 02:46:36 | mc2739 | kugel: yes, that fixed it |
| 02:48:05 | kugel | hm |
| 02:48:31 | kugel | I always assumed that sd_enable will get us into trouble before the sd driver is fully working |
| 02:49:07 | kugel | mc2739: so, you microsd is working? you don't have lucent issues? |
| 02:50:04 | kugel | mc2739: he basically gets a panic whenever his card is inserted, so |
| 02:50:11 | lucent | (clarifying: My experience is a panic when booting with or inserting microSD card) |
| 02:50:59 | mc2739 | kugel: everything looks good - copied files to and from microsd |
| 02:51:27 | mc2739 | remove and insert multiple times - no problems |
| 02:53:31 | kugel | mc2739: wonderful. Let me upload a diff with the (a slightly different, but the correct one imho) and the proper #ifdefs |
| 02:54:24 | mc2739 | wait, one problem now - playing mp3 causes reboot - cannot find .rockbox directory - microsd is now the only drive |
| 02:55:44 | kugel | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9652 |
| 02:56:20 | kugel | mc2739: I have that too, but I couldn't ever get mp3 to work, also other formats don't cause that, so I don't think it's related |
| 02:57:08 | Aurix_Lexico1 | is there any interest in a turret defense game? |
| 02:57:55 | kugel | saratoga: would be nice if you could commit |
| 02:58:15 | kugel | or, mc2739 poke someone else :) |
| 02:58:40 | mc2739 | kugel: its not just the reboot, but when I gor to rockbox info, the microsd shows up as int and msd not present |
| 02:58:48 | mc2739 | s/gor/go/ |
| 02:58:55 | Aurix_Lexico1 | because I have 1100 lines written already |
| 02:59:13 | kugel | mc2739: those are only mp3 problems correct? other formats don't do that |
| 02:59:50 | mc2739 | yes, the mp3 causes the reboot |
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| 03:00:08 | rasher | Aurix_Lexico1: We rarely reject working plugins, but keep an eye on keeping it screen-independent, so it works on different players |
| 03:00:24 | kugel | mc2739: do you think it's related? |
| 03:00:27 | mc2739 | but the microsd should not become the internal drive on the reboot |
| 03:00:43 | saratoga | kugel: ok going in |
| 03:01:02 | Aurix_Lexico1 | yeah, it should be fairly easy to change it to different screen sizes |
| 03:01:15 | kugel | mc2739: I've tried some mp3's now |
| 03:01:37 | kugel | mc2739: some just freeze, some reboot with perfect internal memory, some without memory at all. it's just weird |
| 03:02:04 | Aurix_Lexico1 | only thing is I don't have a rockbox'able player to test it :/ |
| 03:02:34 | mc2739 | ok, maybe we should wait to see if fixing mp3 playback corrects this issue |
| 03:02:44 | kugel | mc2739: yep, that's what I think too |
| 03:03:09 | kugel | saratoga: thanks a lot |
| 03:04:42 | mc2739 | kugel: have you tried to get the radio working yet? |
| 03:05:01 | kugel | I'm still under the impression that calling init_pl180_controller() is kinda wrong, but I didn't get it working without |
| 03:05:12 | kugel | mc2739: no, I was busy making microsd today :) |
| 03:05:20 | kugel | planned for tomorrow though |
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| 03:06:19 | kugel | mc2739: should be easy if you got it working |
| 03:06:33 | * | kugel goes to bed |
| 03:06:41 | kugel | lucent: good luck again! |
| 03:07:06 | rasher | Aurix_Lexico1: heh, well that's not absolutely necessary of course, because of the sims. http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide details the currently working Rockbox targets. Unfortunately, none are in production. Froobi.com has Sansa E200s that are guaranteed to work with Rockbox, but only ship to the US. Otherwise, used is your best bet. |
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| 03:09:20 | rasher | Aurix_Lexico1: Strike that, froobi appears to be sold out on v1 Sansa E200s. |
| 03:09:53 | lucent | :) |
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| 03:29:02 | lucent | whoops |
| 03:29:31 | lucent | saratoga: thanks for committing, sorry I replied to that bug in duplicate of what you had to say |
| 03:30:40 | slact | Greetings. I have sucessfully registered on the rockbox TWiki (thanks for fixing the validation error, whoever did that) and would like to request write permissions to add a theme. My wiki name is LeoPalmer |
| 03:31:38 | saratoga | slact: added you |
| 03:31:42 | slact | thanks! |
| 03:31:54 | lucent | ah, same here, TWiki username EricShattow |
| 03:33:11 | soap__ | slact, lucent just make sure you leave contact information along with the theme, thanks. |
| 03:33:21 | slact | yessir. |
| 03:33:40 | lucent | saratoga: are FS #9623 and FS #9645 ready for committing? |
| 03:33:52 | slact | −− on the wiki page, or in the theme zip? |
| 03:34:12 | saratoga | lucent: ask kugel |
| 03:34:22 | saratoga | i spent this evening trying to figure out why my fuze won't boot |
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| 03:34:30 | lucent | heh |
| 03:35:02 | lucent | kugel was looking for a sponsor to commit those patches |
| 03:35:17 | soap | slact, preferably inside your theme (where you put the license info) as well as on your wiki userpage. |
| 03:35:26 | slact | acknowledged. |
| 03:35:57 | saratoga | lucent: do you remember when I can check the logs |
| 03:36:18 | Unhelpful | lucent: then it sounds like he considers them ready... |
| 03:37:04 | lucent | saratoga: FS #9623 says it right inline "Someone volunteers to commit?" |
| 03:37:37 | saratoga | lucent: yeah then he updated it |
| 03:38:07 | saratoga | as far as I'm concerned fuze stuff can go in whenever kugel says its ready since hes really the only one seriously hacking it right now |
| 03:38:12 | Unhelpful | maybe commit, but leave open for updates? it's not like it's one a supported target. |
| 03:38:20 | Unhelpful | s/one/on/ |
| 03:38:26 | saratoga | fair enough |
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| 03:40:20 | mc2739 | how about committing an e200v2 patch? FS #9569 |
| 03:41:52 | lucent | hm, does FS #9569 patch improve things for your player, mc2739 |
| 03:42:40 | mc2739 | yes, it fixes the lcd_update_rect function which is buggy in svn |
| 03:44:44 | saratoga | mc2739: ok that looks safe enough |
| 03:45:57 | saratoga | SVN is absolutely crawling tonight |
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| 03:49:04 | Chronon | There's a strange bug that I didn't notice before in the HTML manuals: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9651 |
| 03:50:09 | Unhelpful | saratoga: it's git-svn users! |
| 03:50:20 | Chronon | It seems to be bad handling of ligatures by the Latex to HTML converter. But I hadn't noticed this behavior until today. |
| 03:51:08 | saratoga | i'm leaving all these AMS sansa FS entries open since it seems like people keep finding new bugs |
| 03:51:20 | lucent | agreed to that |
| 03:51:55 | lucent | there's some doubt that remains about how the SD driver is working |
| 03:52:57 | lucent | I mean that maybe SD handling bugs are causing problems for other areas |
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| 03:55:53 | mc2739 | saratoga: thanks |
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| 04:13:33 | soap | slact, beautiful, a model of what a theme upload should contain. |
| 04:13:38 | soap | One thing, a tiny nitpick. |
| 04:13:47 | slact | yes? |
| 04:13:54 | soap | did you look at the wikipage after you edited it? |
| 04:13:58 | slact | yeah... |
| 04:14:18 | slact | did i miss something? |
| 04:14:20 | soap | See how EscapeBoD is highlighted? |
| 04:14:26 | slact | yes |
| 04:14:38 | slact | ah, i see. |
| 04:14:43 | soap | That is because TWiki ASSUMES all CamelCase words are WikiWords and attempts to make a link to them. |
| 04:14:53 | slact | will link it proper. |
| 04:14:58 | soap | You have two options - one is |
| 04:15:07 | slact | i'm already there. |
| 04:15:19 | soap | yes - to make it a proper link - that is going above and beyond the call of duty and proves what a swell guy you are. |
| 04:16:05 | soap | The other is to make it !EscapeBoD - the ! is invisible in this context and says "Hey TWiki! The following word isn't a WikiWord, Ok? No linking!" |
| 04:22:34 | slact | ok, that should do it. thanks for the tip |
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| 04:27:42 | soap | thanks for the WPS |
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| 04:32:58 | Unhelpful | my CPP-fu is apparently insufficient, how do i make sure i'm including the correct bmp.h, now that plugin.h includes the "core" bmp.h? :/ |
| 04:33:35 | lucent | wow, not fun |
| 04:33:58 | hobbs | Unhelpful: #include "filename" searches relative to the source file before it searches the include path. |
| 04:33:59 | lucent | #include "./relative/path/to/file.h" |
| 04:34:01 | Unhelpful | that's creating... a *tiny* bit of fallout in my postfreeze branch. |
| 04:34:27 | Unhelpful | lucent: i think that pattern might break the deps generation in build system? |
| 04:34:34 | lucent | likely |
| 04:36:06 | Unhelpful | hrm... it would seem, since plugin.h gets the "right" one when sliding_puzzle uses it, apps/recorder is *in* the include path? |
| 04:38:11 | rasher | Hrm, maybe the display invert option should have an option to not invert albumart? |
| 04:38:41 | rasher | Which would infact invert albumart when displaying, since the display invert is a hardware feature, I believe? |
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| 04:43:02 | Unhelpful | probably easy enough to invert-while-blitting, i think all our display formats can be inverted with a ^= ~0 |
| 04:44:12 | lucent | rasher: I'm failing to think of a useful case for that, could you explain more? |
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| 04:45:48 | rasher | lucent: The display invert feature is nice if you have a WPS that is dark and you want light (or the opposite). For example, I think the default theme looks nice inverted, but that makes albumart look silly |
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| 04:46:07 | rasher | So the display invert option could be "Yes / No / All but albumart" |
| 04:46:32 | lucent | oh you are referring to colors not rotation |
| 04:46:39 | rasher | Ah indeed |
| 04:46:57 | lucent | I'm wondering mistakenly why anyone would not rotate the album art and have a rotated display |
| 04:47:00 | lucent | =) |
| 04:47:31 | Unhelpful | merely making the one in plugin.h <bmp.h> is no good... does the pluginlib dir get added to the inc path when building plugins that use it? |
| 04:47:48 | lucent | in that event I can't think of a useful case for album art colors to be inverted |
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| 04:47:59 | lucent | well nothing sober anyways |
| 04:48:27 | Unhelpful | the relative include works, trying build after clean to see if it breaks things :/ |
| 04:48:48 | lucent | inverting the general color output should not touch album art IMO |
| 04:49:10 | rasher | lucent: I'm inclined to agree |
| 04:49:15 | lucent | if it does, restoring the album art to expected colors would be great |
| 04:49:21 | lucent | :) |
| 04:50:01 | lucent | rasher: a notable exception now that I think about it some more... monocrhome displays |
| 04:50:14 | Unhelpful | how do we draw the album art? i think either an invert flag there, or walk the buffer and invert album arts when the setting is toggled, is the way |
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| 04:56:37 | kaineo | hey guys |
| 04:56:41 | kaineo | watsup |
| 04:58:05 | lucent | rasher: side note, FS #9647 enhance rockboxdev.sh script, it is ready for commit... objections about make flags raised on the task are unrelated to the patch because make obeys MAKEFLAGS |
| 04:58:53 | lucent | a script like this only need be concerned if we are doing some active denial of certain make flags, to check MAKEFLAGS for a flag and then erase it |
| 04:59:04 | lucent | hi kaineo |
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| 05:00:38 | kaineo | is there an estimate on when rockbox would work with sansa e280v2? |
| 05:00:50 | lucent | kaineo: it sort of works right now |
| 05:01:04 | kaineo | sort of? |
| 05:01:16 | lucent | kaineo: very crashy, not all features, mp3 playback causes reboot |
| 05:01:34 | lucent | rockbox bootloader and firmware build and run on it though |
| 05:01:40 | kaineo | Current Status: Rockbox does NOT run on the v2 players. |
| 05:01:56 | lucent | yeah I wouldn't dare update that page ;P |
| 05:02:02 | kaineo | lol |
| 05:02:04 | ameyer | depends on your definition of "run" |
| 05:02:10 | lucent | it's not going to be me that updates it, that's for damn sure |
| 05:02:14 | kaineo | so its very buggy then eh? |
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| 05:02:34 | lucent | it's in-progress |
| 05:02:40 | kaineo | man, that sux and i just bought it for 50 too :( 50% off |
| 05:02:46 | soap | it isn't so much buggy as not everything needed to be worked out about the hardware is worked out. |
| 05:03:12 | kaineo | so if i install it now, would i be able to undo it? |
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| 05:03:31 | lucent | kaineo: yeah, actually it might help us to have another tester for some specific features |
| 05:03:56 | lucent | kaineo: are you comfortable with C code as in commenting out certain parts and modifying debug printfs ? |
| 05:04:12 | kaineo | alrite, so how would i install rockbox on this player? i updated firmware to enable MSC now |
| 05:04:36 | kaineo | no im not, but i am a major in computer science so i might be able to figure something out if i look at it |
| 05:04:49 | lucent | kaineo: it's not a straightforward install, you'll need to get comfortable with building rockbox from SVN trunk, can you do that? |
| 05:05:05 | lucent | there's some TWiki docs about it |
| 05:05:13 | kaineo | then i need to research from the beginning, let me read up on that |
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| 05:05:15 | lucent | which OS are you using? |
| 05:05:46 | kaineo | vista |
| 05:06:05 | lucent | oh, that's tricky, I don't know anything about vista |
| 05:06:51 | lucent | I could help better if you said "Ubuntu" ;) |
| 05:08:47 | kaineo | lol |
| 05:09:00 | kaineo | i dont like ubuntu |
| 05:09:04 | kaineo | doesnt work with games :( |
| 05:09:05 | kaineo | lol |
| 05:09:15 | lucent | kaineo: the e2x0v2, Clip, and Fuze are all called Sansa AMS because they use similar IC AMS AS3525, if you look in rockbox SVN trunk there's some activity to get these devices working |
| 05:10:44 | lucent | kaineo: it would be very nice to get more testing with external microSDHC access and these devices, notably |
| 05:10:59 | kaineo | question: what is SVN trunk? |
| 05:11:16 | lucent | oh, are you familiar with the "SVN" software tool? |
| 05:11:24 | kaineo | nope |
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| 05:11:32 | kaineo | imma have to mess around w/ it |
| 05:12:16 | lucent | it is a source code management system, many programmers check in and check out bits of code over the network using "Subversion" (svn for short) |
| 05:12:54 | lucent | this is much easier to explain if you're using Ubuntu or a similar Linux Distro, so I think I'll just leave you to figure it out from there ;) |
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| 05:14:25 | kaineo | i think it'll be next week that i can take a look at it |
| 05:14:28 | kaineo | finals this week |
| 05:14:50 | lucent | good luck on that, and nice find - 8GB player for $50 |
| 05:14:51 | lucent | :) |
| 05:16:00 | kaineo | yup |
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| 05:26:21 | kaineo | question: what happen if i install rockbox on and it doesnt work out well, how would i remove it? |
| 05:28:29 | lucent | kaineo: the answer depends on which hardware you're installing to, for as3525 Sansa targets, the current method is to modify the stock firmware |
| 05:28:57 | lucent | so you would just jump into MSC mode, pop in an unmodified firmware upgrade file, and then upgrade back to OF (original firmware) |
| 05:29:09 | kaineo | for the e280 sansa |
| 05:29:18 | kaineo | oh!! |
| 05:29:35 | lucent | installation is similar, rockbox bootloader piggybacks onto a modified firmware upgrade |
| 05:29:49 | kaineo | so u gotta find out where the installations are going? |
| 05:30:14 | lucent | I don't know, it makes more sense if I could explain it better |
| 05:30:52 | kaineo | so to sum it up, would it be possible to uninstall if i install it now using the rockbox utility? |
| 05:31:21 | lucent | with the rockbox bootloader and as3525 Sansa targets, the default is to look for rockbox firmware and load it unless a button press is active. If a button press is active, skip and load the original firmware |
| 05:31:22 | kaineo | selecting device J (sansa e280) |
| 05:31:54 | lucent | yeah it's not supported though |
| 05:31:59 | lucent | I've heard that it could work |
| 05:32:11 | lucent | it works as suggested for my Clip and Fuze |
| 05:32:46 | kaineo | and so, if it doesnt work - would it brick the e280? |
| 05:33:02 | lucent | I don't know about that, it's possible |
| 05:34:05 | lucent | there's a real danger to bricking your player when modifying the OF upgrade file to insert the rockbox bootloader, and using that as a firmware upgrade |
| 05:34:30 | kaineo | ah i see, dang i cant afford to test it then |
| 05:34:33 | kaineo | its my only mp3 now |
| 05:35:30 | saratoga | theres not much point in testing a port that we already know doesn't work |
| 05:37:03 | lucent | kaineo: if you know a friend who is more familiar with Linux and software development, and they have an as5323 target with a microSD card, don't be shy to mention that testing is needed for this stuff |
| 05:37:23 | lucent | I can't really suggest that you try it if you're not comfortable with the risks involved ;) |
| 05:37:44 | lucent | there is a #rockbox-community channel for discussions not directly related to development, too |
| 05:38:27 | kaineo | k ill keep that in mind |
| 05:38:31 | kaineo | thanx for being so nice lol |
| 05:39:18 | kaineo | gnite |
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| 05:40:26 | lucent | I'm all confused tonight, I just said as5325... whoops. I meant the arm/as3525/sansa-* targets |
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| 05:47:51 | lucent | rasher: I think FS #9601 is obsoleted by other bugs, FYI. It's a minor observation. |
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| 06:59:36 | Unhelpful | big batch of non-critical scaler updates @ FS #9458, and time for bed |
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| 07:05:32 | * | Bagder detects that the last series of 86 builds took less than 5 minutes to build |
| 07:06:53 | JdGordon | 1Mbit upload is more than enough yeah? |
| 07:07:03 | JdGordon | to do more than just sim builds i mean |
| 07:08:21 | Bagder | oh sure |
| 07:09:02 | JdGordon | then things will get a bit faster hopefully in a week :) |
| 07:09:26 | Bagder | nice |
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| 07:53:33 | kugel | lucent: hi. did you have luck with your card? |
| 07:56:15 | lucent | kugel: I have been distracted, did not try much yet |
| 07:56:22 | lucent | kugel: I am now hacking on buttons for the Fuze |
| 07:56:37 | lucent | kugel: there is yet the "Home" and "Hold" buttons to figure out |
| 07:56:58 | lucent | kugel: do we have a guess which GPIO these are on? |
| 07:57:09 | lucent | how does someone find that out anyways, look at the circuit? |
| 07:57:24 | kugel | lucent: not at all. I've been watching all pins (that's how I found the microsd one) |
| 07:59:17 | kugel | there's 2 possibilities which come to my mind: a) home, hold and scroll wheel are read with another algorithm/protocol, and/or b) we need to set some other gpio pins before reading them (like the keymatix scan thing on m200v4/clip) |
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| 08:00:03 | J-23 | hm |
| 08:00:32 | kugel | but in fact, "direct gpio connection" isn't given |
| 08:00:48 | J-23 | IMO we need to modify keymap to use only up, down, right, left and select and analyse pin states with I/O monitor |
| 08:01:00 | kugel | J-23: I did that |
| 08:01:16 | J-23 | oh. |
| 08:01:24 | lucent | J-23: FS #9645 has a modified keymap |
| 08:03:03 | J-23 | first I need to check why newest SVN revision (even with Domonoky's patches) shows grey screen at boot |
| 08:03:54 | lucent | kugel: I wonder where these buttons physically connect to though |
| 08:04:11 | lucent | maybe it can help narrow to what we should look at |
| 08:04:21 | kugel | lucent: I think saratoga did some analysis of the physical connection |
| 08:04:24 | lucent | (wow, bad English on my part) |
| 08:05:15 | kugel | what I know is, that the button on the wheel, and the wheel itself (and the button light), are connection with some kind of ZIF with a cable to the mainboard |
| 08:05:15 | lucent | kugel: does he share the findings on a forum I can look at? |
| 08:07:19 | kugel | not that I know of |
| 08:07:25 | kugel | you might find in in the logs |
| 08:07:53 | J-23 | kugel: should your patch work if I just replace apps/keymaps/keymap-e200.c with keymap-fuze-reduced.c? |
| 08:08:55 | J-23 | s/your patch/it/ |
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| 08:14:20 | lucent | kugel: I like the work that you've done already on the buttons for the Fuze, it should be committed to trunk but I think there's some clean-up to do |
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| 08:15:34 | lucent | kugel: otherwise, I was able to make rockbox panic with "SD timeout" when installing it to higher areas of the internal flash (above 1GB I am guessing) |
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| 08:17:31 | lucent | interesting news for the Fuze - a new OF was released the other day |
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| 08:22:53 | kugel | lucent: really? |
| 08:23:05 | kugel | lucent: that's the panic saratoga had yesterday |
| 08:23:23 | kugel | I already installed the new of :) |
| 08:23:36 | kugel | lucent: which cleanup? |
| 08:24:10 | kugel | J-23: just throw it in the folder (no need to delete old keymaps). Edit sources to include the reduced one |
| 08:24:18 | kugel | apps/SOURCES that is |
| 08:24:41 | J-23 | thanks. |
| 08:24:50 | lucent | kugel: minor things, some /* thing */ missing from the end of an #endif, a missing ! in a comment which makes it unclear, overly-verbose { } if structure |
| 08:26:06 | lucent | and it mixes two different features, one being the working button code, the other being a keymap which fits the only buttons we have working right now |
| 08:26:35 | kugel | lucent: you mean the ifs that do { } for one line? |
| 08:26:42 | lucent | yeah |
| 08:26:51 | lucent | kugel: what's the preferred style for rockbox code? |
| 08:27:16 | kugel | there's no guideline on {} in one-line ifs afaik |
| 08:27:46 | kugel | lucent: the keymap isn't supposed to be committed ;) It's for "testing purpose" |
| 08:27:58 | scorche | lucent: you will likely want to read http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/docs/CONTRIBUTING?view=markup |
| 08:28:24 | kugel | lucent: but you're right about the comments, should be fixed |
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| 08:31:25 | kugel | lucent: also, before committing any of the button stuff, I think domonoky should have a opinion on that |
| 08:31:39 | kugel | he basically made the code, and so he should decide about it |
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| 08:33:59 | kugel | J-23: are you running clean vanilla svn? |
| 08:34:31 | J-23 | no, but I have same problem when I try without Domonoky's patches |
| 08:35:31 | kugel | J-23: which patches? didn't you have a fuze? |
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| 08:35:39 | J-23 | no, e200v2. |
| 08:35:53 | kugel | oh, my mind is lying to me! |
| 08:36:19 | kugel | J-23: you probably have to update the bootloader |
| 08:36:26 | J-23 | I tried with changing bootloader. |
| 08:36:30 | kugel | clocks changed recently |
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| 08:37:08 | kugel | well, clean svn build and clean svn bootloader should work |
| 08:37:09 | J-23 | and patches are #9569 and Domonoky's buttons |
| 08:37:35 | kugel | J-23: the former one is committed |
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| 08:39:20 | lucent | kugel: I don't understand, why did you change button_read_device(void) ? |
| 08:39:52 | lucent | just moving #ifdef's around and such |
| 08:40:22 | kugel | lucent: ?? |
| 08:40:47 | lucent | kugel: at the very bottom of firmware/target/arm/as3525/sansa-fuze/button-fuze.c |
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| 08:41:23 | kugel | button_int was only for the bootloader |
| 08:41:35 | kugel | but it's now needed in the main too |
| 08:41:47 | J-23 | hm, clean SVN works :) |
| 08:42:09 | lucent | oh okay, why keep the #ifndef BOOTLOADER though? |
| 08:44:24 | lucent | maybe I am asking silly questions but it is part of the code that doesn't make sense to me, why CPP around the light handling code |
| 08:44:29 | J-23 | kugel: should your Fuze reduced keymap work on e200 too? |
| 08:45:18 | kugel | J-23: yes |
| 08:45:59 | J-23 | I tried to just replace keymap-e200.c with keymap-fuze-reduced and now only button that works is USB ;) |
| 08:46:13 | kugel | lucent: because that's what covered by it (when it's implemented) is probably not for the bootloader. That was before me |
| 08:46:24 | kugel | J-23: have you changed apps/SOURCES? |
| 08:46:57 | kugel | J-23: also, "replaced" how? I told you to not delete anything, only place the file in the keymap folder and change apps/SOURCES accordingly |
| 08:47:06 | J-23 | replaced file |
| 08:47:50 | lucent | makes sense now |
| 08:47:53 | kugel | J-23: you also need to put #if 0 around the various SCROLLWHEEL defines in firmware/export/config-e200v2.h |
| 08:49:30 | J-23 | wheel_accel* and have_scrollwheel? |
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| 08:52:09 | lucent | kugel: sorry, it makes me crazy to look at #ifndef FOO .... #endif /* FOO */ |
| 08:52:41 | lucent | because looking at #endif /* FOO */ is the code preprocessed with or without FOO? |
| 08:53:04 | lucent | it's nothing to do with you directly |
| 08:53:19 | J-23 | kugel: I did everything as you said, but it still doesn't work |
| 08:53:50 | lucent | J-23: without any keymap modification, left and right buttons should be working |
| 08:54:08 | J-23 | no buttons work, even left/right |
| 08:54:24 | lucent | something else is the problem then |
| 08:54:32 | J-23 | button driver? |
| 08:55:04 | kugel | lucent: change it, and update the patch :) |
| 08:55:15 | lucent | kugel: okay, will do |
| 08:55:18 | kugel | was an accident if I did it that way |
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| 08:59:04 | J-23 | I put all scrollwheel code in button-e200v2.c into #if 0, still doesn't work |
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| 09:03:34 | kugel | linuxstb: saratoga intended to keep those tasks open |
| 09:05:41 | linuxstb | kugel: I know, but IMO we don't want completed tasks left open. They can easily be re-opened, or new patches should simply be posted as new tasks. |
| 09:05:57 | kugel | ok |
| 09:06:16 | kugel | J-23: read what I write |
| 09:06:34 | kugel | J-23: I wrote in firmware/export/config-e200.h |
| 09:06:45 | kugel | config-e200v2.h even |
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| 09:07:54 | J-23 | I modified button-e200v2 *after* trying with modified config-e200.h |
| 09:07:58 | J-23 | hm, e200? |
| 09:08:03 | J-23 | not -e200v2? |
| 09:08:50 | kugel | config-e200v2.h |
| 09:09:08 | kugel | do make clean after changing it |
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| 09:12:19 | J-23 | I reverted my changes in button-e200v2.c and modified config-e200{v2,}.h, still doesn't work |
| 09:13:58 | kugel | J-23: show me your svn diff please |
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| 09:21:18 | J-23 | http://wklej.org/txt/28633/ |
| 09:22:25 | kugel | lucent: eh |
| 09:22:39 | lucent | kugel: not so good? :/ |
| 09:22:51 | kugel | lucent: You mean those "keymap code"? |
| 09:23:14 | kugel | lucent: I think I explained why I put the #if 0 around the scrollwheel defines |
| 09:23:49 | lucent | kugel: I know, but that is to get reduced keymap working, isn't it? |
| 09:24:20 | lucent | I'm running my fuze with the patch I posted and plain SVN only, it works fine and the buttons are good |
| 09:24:22 | kugel | not only |
| 09:24:46 | kugel | there's no need to define scrollwheel until it's working |
| 09:25:01 | kugel | chances are that it'll just bug us |
| 09:25:09 | kugel | without giving a gain |
| 09:25:29 | lucent | ah okay |
| 09:26:18 | lucent | I went for what I thought could be comitted without affecting too many things |
| 09:26:38 | kugel | we affect what we need to affect in such an early stage |
| 09:26:57 | kugel | it's not like we can remove the #if 0 once we get the scrollwheel working |
| 09:27:01 | kugel | can't |
| 09:27:33 | lucent | I agree |
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| 09:31:26 | lucent | I want to also see a simplified keymap put into effect that would #if\ 0 out the scrollwheel, at least until some progress is made to fix the SD timeout problems |
| 09:31:42 | lucent | I mean, as a different patch |
| 09:31:44 | kugel | J-23: don't edit firmware/export/config-e200.h |
| 09:32:04 | kugel | J-23: now you need domonky's patch, and it should be working |
| 09:32:34 | kugel | lucent: why? the normal fuze keymap is untouched |
| 09:33:12 | kugel | maybe I'm not sure what you mean |
| 09:33:21 | kugel | anyway, I got to go, see you later |
| 09:33:31 | lucent | okay |
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| 09:33:33 | lucent | :) |
| 09:34:39 | J-23 | works! :) |
| 09:37:18 | lucent | J-23: it may be helpful to comment on relevent tasks in flyspray, mention your hardware configuration and what svn rev + patches were applied |
| 09:37:29 | J-23 | argh. |
| 09:37:47 | J-23 | in comment to some task? |
| 09:38:31 | lucent | like reply to a flyspray bug and say "yes it worked" or "no it did not work" and mention which player hardware you're testing with, if in normal or bootloader build |
| 09:38:38 | lucent | just a suggestion anyways |
| 09:38:46 | Llorean | You should post if it doesn't work. |
| 09:38:58 | lucent | it's kind of tough to track which bugs are outdated, or which ones could be applied |
| 09:39:03 | Llorean | If it works exactly as it does for the patch author, just saying "yes it works" doesn't really accomplish anything. |
| 09:42:30 | JdGordon | speaking of whcih... |
| 09:42:35 | n1s | if you have a different target it might though |
| 09:42:39 | JdGordon | pixelma: did you get aaround to testing the presets patch? |
| 09:43:16 | Llorean | n1s: If you have a different target, it's not "exactly" as it does for the patch author, though. |
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| 10:07:54 | J-23 | kugel: everything works :) |
| 10:08:19 | pixelma | JdGordon: seems better on my c200 but I just realised that I should try on my OndioFM too because the difference there is that you can't reach the presets list directly from the radio screen and have to go through the context menu (in case there are differences). Currently compiling and will try as soon as that's ready (and put on the Ondio) |
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| 10:21:17 | J-23 | why GPIO monitor is available only on PP-based players? |
| 10:21:40 | J-23 | argh, nvm |
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| 10:29:13 | pixelma | JdGordon: looks like editing presets works better with it and no breakage even on the OndioFM |
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| 10:31:53 | pixelma | editing/deleting is where I saw problems before - the numbers of presets shown in the radio screen were still the old ones when returning unless you exited and restarted radio (IIRC, it was late). That looks correctly now |
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| 10:41:04 | J-23 | hm, my e200v2 freezes at MP3 playback |
| 10:41:53 | Llorean | J-23: Playback is still in early stages on the AMS sansas. |
| 10:42:18 | J-23 | thanks for that information :) |
| 10:42:34 | B4gder | J-23: time to debug then! |
| 10:43:04 | J-23 | time to relax with game plugins and Wave playback |
| 10:43:17 | J-23 | and radio scanning ;p |
| 10:43:41 | B4gder | oh someone jumped on the pctool at once |
| 10:43:53 | * | B4gder refers to dev list |
| 10:43:57 | Llorean | Just saw it |
| 10:44:02 | Llorean | Looks like he'd already been working on it, and we missed it. |
| 10:44:16 | B4gder | ah indeed |
| 10:44:17 | Llorean | B4gder: I think we should release an 3.1 binary of the pc database tool when we do the 3.1 release. |
| 10:44:33 | B4gder | that'd be cool, if the tool is fine enough for it |
| 10:45:03 | Llorean | Well, yes, if it's 'working' |
| 10:45:09 | B4gder | right |
| 10:45:09 | Llorean | It could be a 'beta' for 3.1 :) |
| 10:45:17 | B4gder | google-style! |
| 10:47:38 | Zagor | I looked at his patch, but it changes _way_ too much to be acceptable |
| 10:48:07 | Zagor | but I will encourage him further |
| 10:50:02 | J-23 | hm, I tried to play video |
| 10:50:17 | kugel | \o/ first success on c200v2 |
| 10:50:33 | J-23 | "*PANIC* \n SD: Internal storage: RX OVERRUN, RXR FIFO FULL," ;) |
| 10:51:04 | Llorean | J-23: That SD issue is also expected. |
| 10:51:10 | Llorean | You can get it during playback too |
| 10:51:23 | B4gder | another opportunity to do some debugging! |
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| 10:56:03 | linuxstb | B4gder: What do you think about adding the database tool (and maybe other things - e.g. checkwps) to the automatic builds in some way? |
| 10:56:24 | B4gder | that's a good idea |
| 10:56:38 | B4gder | we need to just consider how it is done the best way |
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| 10:56:58 | kugel | maybe only built daily, but automatic build would be nice to keep them wokring |
| 10:57:01 | Llorean | If that's the case, I would think we might want rbutil builds too. |
| 10:57:10 | B4gder | yes, we do |
| 10:57:44 | linuxstb | Llorean: Maybe, but changes to core Rockbox can't break rbutil. checkwps and the database tool look quite delicate. |
| 10:57:50 | Llorean | linuxstb: What's checkwps? I seem to have missed that, I thought it was a command-line switch for the sim. |
| 10:58:21 | linuxstb | Llorean: It's a standalone utility to validate a wps. |
| 10:58:43 | linuxstb | I wrote it mainly for future use in our mythical themes site. |
| 10:58:48 | Llorean | Aaah, right, that one. |
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| 11:00:53 | * | linuxstb wonders if the database should skip unplayable files - e.g. high compression level ape - or if that will just cause more problems than it solves... |
| 11:01:29 | Llorean | Probably just confuse things |
| 11:01:49 | Llorean | If someone reports their database not showing all files, it's already confusing enough without another reason why it could be skipping them. |
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| 11:01:58 | linuxstb | Yes, I think so too. Plus it would require target-specific database building. |
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| 11:02:33 | Llorean | Right |
| 11:02:45 | n1s | hmm, maybe it should have a hwcodec switch that only includes files the archoses can handle though |
| 11:05:40 | pixelma | I'm not even sure what the database would do on target currently with e.g. an ogg on my OndioFM... |
| 11:07:52 | linuxstb | It should just ignore it - no code relating to the swcodec-only formats is compiled. |
| 11:08:18 | linuxstb | So for example, .ogg isn't in the list of audio-file extensions. |
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| 11:12:09 | Zagor | hum, does anyone know the difference between utils/songdb and tools/database? |
| 11:13:02 | B4gder | it's probably the same thing from different times |
| 11:13:16 | Llorean | Is one of them the old tool from pre-tagcache? |
| 11:13:48 | Zagor | tools/database uses tagcache |
| 11:14:07 | Zagor | and songdb too... |
| 11:14:22 | Zagor | it rather looks like songdb is a little more evolved |
| 11:14:53 | Zagor | so I should probably have put my effort there instead. uhh... |
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| 11:15:16 | kugel | linuxstb: can you quickly look if my asm code is correct for setting the button light? I assume it's on D7 on c200v2 too http://pastebin.ca/1286733 |
| 11:15:24 | kugel | omg! |
| 11:15:37 | kugel | gone while typing |
| 11:18:26 | n1s | Zagor: isn't songdb the one from the patch, it doesn't seem to be in svn unless i'm blind |
| 11:19:09 | Zagor | ah, you're right! It's in my dir because I have been looking at his patch before, and svn revert didn't remove it. |
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| 11:23:09 | Zagor | why do we have both utils and tools? is there a difference intended? |
| 11:23:23 | B4gder | yes, tools is for building Rockbox |
| 11:23:30 | B4gder | utils are just "related" stuff |
| 11:23:38 | Zagor | right, so database and checkwps should be moved out of tools |
| 11:24:00 | B4gder | I would say so, yes |
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| 12:03:17 | Slasheri | Zagor: great that you fixed the tagcache tool! i think that is the right tool to develop, because it uses tagcache core functions to build the db |
| 12:03:29 | Slasheri | so the format should always be correct |
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| 12:13:34 | RockRabbit | Bagder, would like to get a copy of the AMS5325 datasheet if possible. I am working on the Sansa c250 - discovered the first key today (now on the hardware mapping page). I have bought an extra c250 to do the work (I now have three - two V2's and a V1). I understand that this would be for my use only and I will give it to no one else under any circumstances. |
| 12:14:07 | kugel | RockRabbit: hey. have you tried the buttonlight code? |
| 12:14:46 | RockRabbit | Not yet - its late here (Australia) and I will be hitting the sack soon. Will probably try it tomorrow. |
| 12:15:18 | kugel | RockRabbit: you might re-read my post, I've posted shit and editted several times (should be correct information now) |
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| 12:17:33 | RockRabbit | Yes I read it only a minute before posting here. Looks pretty straightforward. I assume the button light is valuable for tracing code execution? |
| 12:18:05 | kugel | RockRabbit: yep. You can let it blink and stuff. Much better than delay (not as good as lcd of course) |
| 12:18:53 | RockRabbit | Is there any significant danger of that code bricking the player? |
| 12:19:34 | kugel | I don't think so |
| 12:20:16 | kugel | RockRabbit: you might want to wait for someone to review it again if you feel unsure, but I quite doubt it can brick your dap. |
| 12:20:58 | RockRabbit | Thought so. Good. I would like to see the datasheet if I can before doing too much more. I dont like working in the dark. Been boning up on ARM assembler but I dont think I really need too much skill in that area - its the hardware that I need to know about in detail. |
| 12:21:33 | kugel | the datasheet doesn't tell you how sandisk used pins, but it helps to understand how gpio's working and stuff |
| 12:23:21 | kugel | RockRabbit: if you want to start using C, you should probably start integrating c200v2 code into the target tree, of course with disabling almost every feature |
| 12:24:02 | RockRabbit | Yes thats what I want to know about. I did send an email to Sandisk requesting that they send hardware information to the Rockbox project. I fancy a laugh every now and again. You never know - sometimes miracles can happen. |
| 12:24:41 | kugel | worth a try, but don't hold your breath for an answer |
| 12:24:53 | RockRabbit | Think i'll concentrate on getting the buttons mapped and the backlight first. I know zilch about the ROckbox C code, so thats gonna be a lot of work and take a while. |
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| 12:27:18 | kugel | RockRabbit: it would definitely usefull if you edit the rockbox source so that you can at least build a bootloader. The bootloader can contain pure C |
| 12:27:41 | kugel | and the bootloader will be executed by the dual boot (which you have found a button for) |
| 12:28:40 | RockRabbit | I plan to do that, but that will take some time. |
| 12:29:10 | RockRabbit | Anyway, have to go now. Will post further results on the forum. Bye. |
| 12:29:20 | kugel | RockRabbit: it doesn't take too long actually |
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| 12:39:34 | debber | Hi |
| 12:40:36 | debber | I am trying out the ./rockboxui and I have problems with the database. When I try to access it it always says 'Building database... 351 found (PREV to return) |
| 12:47:04 | debber | Is anyone alive? |
| 12:47:29 | Zagor | yes, but apparently noone has a quick answer to your problem |
| 12:49:11 | debber | I followed the guide to run the rockboxui (configured to ipod video) and I cannot access the database nor play an mp3 (through) the 'Files' menu |
| 12:49:27 | Zagor | what happens when you play the mp3? |
| 12:49:44 | debber | I am running Linux-ubuntu |
| 12:50:09 | debber | It stops immediately. Goes from 'pause' to 'stop' |
| 12:50:53 | debber | ok, the was a faulty mp3 |
| 12:52:34 | debber | I get it. If you have a faulty mp3 in your simdisk folder, the database never actually initializes. It keeps on saying 'Building...' but never finishes. |
| 12:53:16 | n1s | debber: that sounds like a bug, could you please file a bug report and attach the file? |
| 12:54:08 | debber | yup, I will investigate and report it. |
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| 12:56:24 | linuxstb | debber: Also, you need to restart Rockbox to fully initialise the database. However, I'm not sure if there's a way to cleanly shutdown the sim... |
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| 12:59:30 | JdGordon | pixelma: ok great... ill commit it then |
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| 13:00:50 | debber | if you have an empty file as mp3 in you directory (and nothing else) the database fails to get initialized. A rather uncommon scenario, but nevertheless wrong behaviour. |
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| 13:04:46 | pixelma | there is already a bug report for the database failing to initialise without any music files at all. I'd guess the latter is related |
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| 13:06:11 | pixelma | failing to initialise might be the wrong term... the building process hangs |
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| 13:06:48 | n1s | yes, i think that only invalid music files gets the same result |
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| 13:09:58 | n1s | maybe it's time to poke Slasheri about that, FS #9093 :) |
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| 13:18:31 | JdGordon | back on the topic of checkwps and the database tool... wasnt there an idea/plan to make a proper 'lib' out of the internals so changes to the core are less likely to break things? |
| 13:18:36 | bxcracer | what is the status of clip audio playback ? |
| 13:19:16 | Llorean | bxcracer: If you're interested in working on it, status updates and instructions for getting started are in the wiki and the forum thread. |
| 13:19:24 | Llorean | Otherwise, we'll let you know when it's ready for users. |
| 13:19:35 | bxcracer | ok, thanks. |
| 13:19:44 | wpyh | kugel: is the DATA TIMEOUT error from the bootloader or the firmware? |
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| 15:08:49 | debber | Can u use rockbox to set a rating on a song? |
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| 15:13:09 | PaulJam | yes, the rockbox database has a rating feature. |
| 15:14:25 | debber | I am trying to find the code that can set a rating on a song (to add it to the context menu), but so far I have not yet found a pointer to do it. (first time in contact with the code). |
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| 15:40:04 | n1s | hmm, does anyone use the "playlist catalog" ? |
| 15:41:59 | Unhelpful | "the what"? |
| 15:41:59 | * | LambdaCalculus37 does |
| 15:42:19 | LambdaCalculus37 | Unhelpful: It's an option in the Playlists context menu. |
| 15:43:10 | Unhelpful | i vaguely recall having seen it. i'd probably have dug through the manual for what it is if it sounded like something i felt was "missing" from my Rockbox Experience (TM) |
| 15:43:52 | n1s | LambdaCalculus37: if i use "Add to New Playlist" to create a new playlist, start playing that playlist and then add more tracks through the catalog the current playlist isn't updated, but if i stop and resume it is, and resumed in the wrong place, do you think this is intended? |
| 15:45:44 | n1s | Unhelpful: i think the main point is being able to modify non-current playlists |
| 15:46:16 | Unhelpful | ohhhh. yeah, i pretty much don't use playlists at all, aside from the current one. |
| 15:46:28 | LambdaCalculus37 | n1s: I'm not entirely sure. Let me try that out. |
| 15:46:45 | * | wpyh doesn't use playlists, but thinks n1s may have found a bug |
| 15:47:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | Argh... fine time for my iPod to report a flat battery. :/ |
| 15:49:17 | debber | How can u set a song rating using rockbox? |
| 15:50:30 | n1s | debber: maybe by checking the manual? |
| 15:53:06 | Zagor | I think we ought to discuss default settings for the release. I want backlight timeout raised to 30, and the just mentioned "Warn When Erasing Dynamic Playlist" might be something new users would find helpful too. |
| 15:54:47 | n1s | Zagor: sounds sane, i though the warning thingy was on by default though |
| 15:55:45 | n1s | turns out i was wrong :) |
| 15:55:52 | Zagor | yeah, I just checked too :) |
| 15:56:24 | n1s | I'd say mail on the dev list would be good for such discussion though, if you want to change others than those two |
| 15:56:26 | PaulJam | n1s: when you experienced the resuming at the wrong position, did you have shuffle enabled? |
| 15:56:48 | n1s | PaulJam: don't know, can check again |
| 15:57:08 | Zagor | n1s: good point. I don't know any others off the top of my head, but I bet there are some more. |
| 15:58:53 | n1s | PaulJam: seems to resume in the right place with shuffle off so yeah, that's probably it |
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| 16:00:51 | PaulJam | n1s: i think this is expected then. afaik rockbox stores the random seed along with the playlist name and playlist position, so when the playlist length changes you get a different shuffle with the same random seed. |
| 16:02:26 | n1s | PaulJam: yes, however i would expect the current playlist to get updated when you add stuff to it through the catalog but maybe that is impossible... |
| 16:04:01 | n1s | also i find the catalog to be too limited to be truly useful, it can only add to the end or create new lists... |
| 16:05:05 | n1s | IMHO the current playlist handling and the catalog should be merged so you can do what you can with the current playlist with any playlist in the catalog |
| 16:07:02 | n1s | It seems like a bit of a bolt on and not as integrated as it could be |
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| 16:10:07 | rasher | Hmm. |
| 16:17:28 | wpyh | funman, kugel: my Sansa Fuze can't access files >1GB (known problem). looking at MTABLE.SYS, it references files on "mmc:0:\MUSIC\...", so I think it may be treating the internal storage as MMC rather than SD. To access >2GB MMC cards, we need to use the new standards (MMC v4.2 or later). I'm looking at it but I'm not experienced in this area, so you might want to take a look instead. |
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| 16:23:17 | rasher | Bagder: the buildsystem doesn't mind unavailable clients, right? |
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| 16:27:10 | Jaykay | i have a question regarding the "anti-skip buffer" setting.... isnt this only possible with targets with a hard drive? |
| 16:28:41 | hillshum | |
| 16:35:46 | Zagor | Jaykay: that settings simply says how much earlier the buffering should start than normal |
| 16:36:03 | Zagor | since flash targets buffer too, the setting is valid. but rather useless... |
| 16:37:13 | Jaykay | zagor: i think the setting is not present on my sansa e200.... bit still present in the manual, so it should be removed. |
| 16:37:15 | Zagor | there is a number of aspects in the code that shows traces of rockbox' harddrive origins |
| 16:37:17 | Jaykay | (from the manual) |
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| 16:37:58 | Zagor | Jaykay: ah, ok. right then it's simply a manual bug |
| 16:38:18 | Jaykay | should i post it somewhere? |
| 16:38:34 | Zagor | file a bug report |
| 16:38:40 | Jaykay | ok |
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| 16:40:44 | Unhelpful | ohhhh. yeah, i pretty much don't use playlists at all, aside from the current one. |
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| 17:00:59 | Jaykay | another question: i should do some benchs with aac files. because i dont use aac, i downloaded the rfee audio converter, converted an album into aac |
| 17:01:19 | Jaykay | copied it to the player and tried to play it..... rockbox did nothing. |
| 17:01:38 | Jaykay | i thought ok might be a problem with .aac |
| 17:02:12 | rasher | Jaykay: I don't believe rockbox plays raw aac - it needs to be in an m4a container |
| 17:02:29 | Jaykay | same procedure with m4a..... now the player says root and below this root.... but doesnt play anything |
| 17:03:05 | Jaykay | ah above the first root theres a rectangle (?) |
| 17:03:55 | rasher | I think this is the point where you file a bug report and attach or link the file |
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| 17:04:48 | Jaykay | where should i upload the file? its bigger than 2mb.... |
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| 17:17:19 | rasher | Jaykay: I've sent you a pm |
| 17:17:58 | Jaykay | i see, first im trying some other converters |
| 17:18:21 | Jaykay | but..... actually rockbox should play it when itunes can play it |
| 17:20:31 | rasher | At the very least, it shouldn't hang, so however you look at it, it's a bug |
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| 17:45:18 | Jaykay | rasher: i think rockbox' behaviour is as expected, when a music file cant be read, jump to the next readable or quit |
| 17:45:25 | Jaykay | thats what it does |
| 17:45:41 | Jaykay | it seems do be a problem of the decoder, decoding with itunes worked |
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| 17:52:12 | rasher | Jaykay: Okay, so the file is rejected properly - but it shouldn't be. Still better than if it hung |
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| 18:19:11 | Llorean | Jaykay: Rockbox won't play many AAC files. Usually problems with the metadata layout will prevent them being played. |
| 18:19:50 | Jaykay | yeah.... |
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| 18:20:04 | Jaykay | i was just trying the third converter, didnt work..... |
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| 18:20:57 | Llorean | Jaykay: Have you tried using iTunes to convert? |
| 18:21:11 | Jaykay | this works |
| 18:21:31 | Jaykay | if you can tell me how to set the bitrate of the outcomes, ill use itunes |
| 18:21:39 | Jaykay | i was told i should use high bitrates |
| 18:21:47 | Jaykay | the highest i got was 128-.- |
| 18:21:49 | Esdian | Just making sure, Standerd Playlist made with Winamp work with rockbox'ed players? |
| 18:22:26 | scorche | Esdian: if it is an m3u, then sure |
| 18:22:42 | Jaykay | and i was trying .ogg files from one of the converters.... didnt work too |
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| 18:24:43 | Esdian | thanks, I've been using m3u cause that was the default on my winamp. ^.^ |
| 18:30:04 | Jaykay | now i have an converter whose oggs are working..... |
| 18:31:28 | n1s | oggenc works well for me... |
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| 18:33:38 | Jaykay | i wont use any oggs after those benchs :) its just for some guys who meant those benchs will help and they will work with aac or ogg files... |
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| 18:34:26 | n1s | Jaykay: what are you benchmarking? |
| 18:35:20 | Jaykay | battery runtime with these oggs with cabbiev2, then the same with a empty wps and maybe with the mnu |
| 18:35:40 | Jaykay | i think you should know of this |
| 18:35:52 | Jaykay | it was a diskussion with kugel |
| 18:37:08 | n1s | ah, i don't read all of the logs so i probably missed it then :9 |
| 18:37:15 | n1s | s/9/)/ |
| 18:37:31 | Jaykay | i thought you discussed with us |
| 18:37:42 | Jaykay | but i dont really know :) |
| 18:38:14 | bertrik | n1s, can you try the very latest si4700.c from the sansa clip radio patch and see if it still works on your gigabeast? It looks like I fixed the fm chip initialisation problems I initially found on the clip. |
| 18:38:33 | n1s | bertrik: sure |
| 18:38:44 | bertrik | I'd like to commit it if it still works on your gigabeast, after the freeze ends |
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| 18:39:34 | n1s | we should branch tomorrow, no? |
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| 18:40:26 | kugel | Bagder: can you rename the SansaV2 page to SansaAMS or AMSSansa or the like? |
| 18:41:34 | bertrik | n1s, I have no idea to be honest. To make radio fully work on the clip, there's more stuff to do, like properly enabling the LINE2 input, so there's no real hurry. |
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| 18:43:59 | domonoky | yes, we need to include LINE-IN2 support into the as3514.c driver, to get radio on all ams-sansas :-) |
| 18:44:36 | * | bertrik considers adding a TODO list to the SansaV2 wiki |
| 18:47:38 | bertrik | to explain in a little more detail what is needed for features that are marked "partial" in the port status for example, and specifically what is needed for full radio support for example |
| 18:48:08 | kugel | domonoky: hey, do you have a microsd? ;) |
| 18:48:36 | domonoky | yes, a todo list would be nice. @kugel, no i dont have a micro-sd card. |
| 18:49:23 | kugel | domonoky: oh, but I guess you noticed anyway that I got microsd and hotswap working? |
| 18:49:44 | domonoky | yes, i read it. congratulations :-) |
| 18:50:25 | Jaykay | is it possible to software-detect wether phones are plugged in or not? |
| 18:50:38 | Jaykay | on some ipods it works with the OF |
| 18:50:40 | Llorean | Jaykay: Depends entirely on the hardware. |
| 18:50:48 | kugel | domonoky: actually, my intermezzo (which failed) with GPIO isrs for the button was actually useful. I could just copy and paste those for the hotswap isr ;9 |
| 18:51:20 | Jaykay | Llorean: is something like stopping playback when plugging out the phones implemented? |
| 18:51:27 | Jaykay | (in rockbox) |
| 18:51:39 | Llorean | Jaykay: Pausing, yes. |
| 18:51:46 | kugel | domonoky: another question: how do you feel about committing the button drivers? They're incomplete, but yet enable us to actually use most aspects of rockbox |
| 18:52:00 | Llorean | Jaykay: A quick glance at the manual for the iPods would've told you this. |
| 18:52:30 | kugel | but I'm not sure myself so.. |
| 18:52:55 | Jaykay | Llorean: ok, sorry. the main question was wether this depends on the hardware or not..... and the answer is not in the manual :) |
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| 18:52:59 | domonoky | kugel: i think the fix for correctly reading the buttons, should go in. everything elses should wait/stay out. |
| 18:53:04 | bertrik | I was a bit worried about getting only silence (not even noise) on the clip radio around 96 MHz, it turns out that the OF has the same behaviour... |
| 18:53:29 | Llorean | Jaykay: Well, I answered that question without referring you to the manual... |
| 18:53:36 | kugel | I think I can agree with that :) |
| 18:54:29 | Jaykay | Llorean: right, i think we're finding a problem that does not exist so thanks for the first answer and sorry for the second question ;) |
| 18:54:29 | bertrik | My guess is that a harmonic of one of the clocks from the clip itself is received on the radio (96 MHz is four time the clock crystal frequency of 24 MHz) and that this signal is not FM modulated, so you hear silence instead of noise |
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| 19:00:06 | n1s | bertrik: it works on the beast, but sometimes when switching between presets the tuner doesn't switch , so the radio screen shows the new station but the old one is still playing, never had this before but not entirely sure if it's caused by your patch |
| 19:02:28 | bertrik | n1s, ok thanks for trying |
| 19:02:47 | n1s | have you ever had similar behavior? |
| 19:03:00 | bertrik | I wonder if the failure to tune may be because of simply waiting 60 ms instead of polling for the tune result |
| 19:03:15 | LambdaCalculus37 | wpyh: (for the logs) On the Clip, MTABLE.SYS appears to be a database of sorts. |
| 19:03:57 | n1s | bertrik: ah, that may be it, i'll try a longer delay |
| 19:03:59 | bertrik | n1s, no I've never seen that. With an earlier patch I did have bad tuning in general and sometimes the first preset would not tune, but I think I can blame that on the incorrect initialisation sequence |
| 19:05:07 | bertrik | the delay is because the si4702/3 datasheet warns against i2c bus traffic during tuning when the internal oscillator is used |
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| 19:09:55 | bertrik | I'll have another look at how the clip OF deals with tuning the si4702 |
| 19:12:03 | n1s | still not reliable with a 200ms delay but it works better |
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| 19:21:18 | bertrik | I checked both the si4700 and the si4702 and both claim 60 ms max for tuning, but only when the channel spacing is 100 kHz or 200 kHz |
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| 19:26:39 | n1s | yeah, i see the same, and i use 50kHz channel spacing of course... also that the time is per channel I don't know what that means when you select a freq and try to tune? |
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| 19:37:29 | n1s | hmm, i wonder if writing directly into READCHAN would work, not that it seems possible to write beyond register 6 on the beast... |
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| 19:41:58 | n1s | bertrik, how does it behave with the loop in the tune function for you? sometimes the delay is pretty noticable on the beast using that so maybe the tune actually takes quite a long time? |
| 19:42:59 | n1s | or we use an gpio interrupt for this... |
| 19:44:07 | lucent | the AMS AS3525 datasheet is available from AMS pretty simply, it's just a form to fill out on their website ;) |
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| 19:51:14 | kugel | bertrik: I'm listening to radio here |
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| 19:55:17 | bertrik | n1s, the algorithm I see in the clip OF is basically the following: check the band setting, do something with the number 50, set the channel + tune bit, write to i2c, wait 70 ms (this is a guess), read 4 bytes from i2c, clear tune bit, check if CHAN is the desired value and exit if it so or else retry all of this up to 25 times |
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| 19:56:25 | bertrik | n1s, I haven't experimented with the loop much |
| 19:56:42 | n1s | bertrik: does it do anything with the bytes read from i2c? |
| 19:58:12 | n1s | and does it really check CHAN and not READCHAN, afict CHAN shouldn't change from the value you write there |
| 19:58:18 | bertrik | n1s, I think it compares the CHAN bits read back from the CHANNEL register with the desired value |
| 19:58:49 | bertrik | n1s, ah you're probably right |
| 19:59:45 | bertrik | it combines 2 bytes at offsets 2 and 3 from some byte buffer and compare it so some value, that must be the _read_ buffer :) |
| 19:59:47 | kugel | bertrik: what's the issues on radio? seems to work nicely so far on my fuze |
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| 20:00:10 | bertrik | we're trying to make sure it works correctly both on the beast and on the ams sansas |
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| 20:00:47 | n1s | bertrik: are all i2c reads bad during a tune operation? |
| 20:01:09 | bertrik | a difference between those is that it seems that the ams sansa use the internal oscillator while the beast uses an external clock signal. Also the beast has a si4700, while the ams sansas have a si4702 |
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| 20:02:40 | bertrik | n1s, I guess so |
| 20:02:59 | n1s | i read back the chip id a while ago and it seems to actually be a 4701 so it should even have RDS :) |
| 20:03:30 | n1s | bertrik: then i can see why they are doing that because the STC bit is cleared when setting TUNE low :/ |
| 20:03:47 | kugel | bertrik: what about HPCM? I think it can be enabled for all ams sansas now |
| 20:04:03 | kugel | the fuze needs it, and would be very surprised if the c200v2 wouldnt |
| 20:06:15 | * | kugel focus to fix the next issue: buttonlight |
| 20:06:48 | lucent | side question, I'm going to request a datasheet for the as3525... Which is it, the AS3525A or AS3525B for Clip / Fuze ? |
| 20:07:56 | n1s | bertrik: i can try implementing something similar to their implementation |
| 20:07:56 | kugel | lucent: just poke Bagder, he might give it to you |
| 20:08:15 | kugel | lucent: this way you also get surely the one we're using |
| 20:09:22 | bertrik | n1s, actually the code does seem to check STC in addition to comparing CHAN with READCHAN. The registers with the TUNE bit low are not written back to the chip until after those comparisons have been made |
| 20:10:09 | bertrik | (the STC check was disguised in a LSL#25, BMI construction) |
| 20:10:40 | n1s | so that is basically what the loop i wrote does but with a longer delay and a check for the channel (and a timeout) |
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| 20:15:19 | bertrik | ehm, yes :) except the OF code checks the READCHAN and keeps toggling the TUNE bit inside the loop |
| 20:15:56 | bertrik | not sure anymore if the OF tunes if in the most efficient way... |
| 20:24:11 | n1s | this is only slightly more reliable... http://pastebin.ca/1287014 |
| 20:24:35 | * | n1s tries the beast OF to se if it can tune nicely |
| 20:26:19 | n1s | they do tune in a new preset _fast_ |
| 20:26:55 | n1s | they also use 100kHz spacing |
| 20:27:18 | kugel | bertrik: I'm gonna upload the diff to make your radio patch work with fuze and e200v2. Can you include those if you update the patch the next time? (sorry for wrong channel in the first place) |
| 20:27:29 | bertrik | kugel, ok |
| 20:28:04 | bertrik | n1s, that pastebin looks pretty optimal to me |
| 20:28:55 | n1s | bertrik: maybe it just doesn't work well with 50kHz channel spacing? |
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| 20:29:47 | bertrik | n1s, maybe... I wish they just specified something like that in the datasheet |
| 20:30:54 | amiconn | Which country uses 50kHz channel spacing for terrestrial broadcast, btw? |
| 20:31:13 | * | amiconn believes there might be one, but doesn't remember |
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| 20:31:33 | bertrik | AFAICT, the "european" setting uses 50 kHz spacing, but all stations in the netherlands are on 100 kHz spacing |
| 20:33:20 | * | kugel doesn't know any xx.x5 station |
| 20:33:44 | amiconn | In .de, 50kHz spacing is only used for cable |
| 20:34:25 | amiconn | Hence 100kHz spacing is sufficient in rockbox. There is no target with an antenna input |
| 20:34:59 | n1s | there are no such stations here either but rockbox tries to tune such frequencies for the europe setting |
| 20:35:11 | rasher | amiconn: Italy uses 50kHz steps |
| 20:35:34 | bertrik | rasher, reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FM_band ? ;) |
| 20:35:45 | rasher | Wouldn't dream of it. |
| 20:37:28 | amiconn | ah |
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| 20:41:32 | amiconn | I wonder whether we should have 2 settings for Europe then |
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| 20:42:55 | amiconn | Unrelated to any tuning problems, scanning in 100kHz steps will only take half the time, i.e. it is more convenient if you know there won't be any xx.x5 stations |
| 20:42:57 | bertrik | I wonder if using 50 kHz spacing instead of 100 kHz can have a negative effect |
| 20:44:14 | kugel | rasher: theoretically, or are there really xx.x5 stations? |
| 20:44:14 | Jaykay | i noticed there is a alarm-function on the ipod but not on some other players.... why? |
| 20:44:58 | gevaerts | Jaykay: for the same reason that some players have recording settings and others don't |
| 20:45:01 | rasher | kugel: I'm quite sure there are .x5 stations. Wikipedia says so, and I seem to recall noticing it when visiting |
| 20:45:21 | kugel | Jaykay: the answer is always the same: a) no-one didn't care enough to implement or b) the hardware can do it |
| 20:46:06 | kugel | can't* rather |
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| 20:46:17 | Jaykay | kugel: i know, the question was what answer was right, so gevaerts: thanks^^ |
| 20:46:47 | lucent | nice, I'm finally registered on the TWiki as EricShattow |
| 20:47:05 | lucent | may I have edit access to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaFuze ? |
| 20:47:39 | kugel | sure, wait a second |
| 20:47:46 | pixelma | there are some targets which could have alarm (hardware wise) but don't have it yet because the implementation isn't done completely yet |
| 20:48:09 | kugel | lucent: promise to not spam! |
| 20:48:29 | lucent | kugel: right! |
| 20:48:40 | kugel | Jaykay: are you johannes linke? |
| 20:48:53 | Jaykay | well spotted ;) |
| 20:49:02 | kugel | there seems to be an issue with your twiki account |
| 20:49:12 | Jaykay | juhu |
| 20:49:51 | Jaykay | kugel: i didnt notice, what is the problem? |
| 20:50:01 | kugel | you have no page. everyone has a page |
| 20:50:23 | pixelma | I know of the X5, M5 and H300. A patch for adding alarm wake-up is in the tracker but it still needs work on the M5/X5 bootloader |
| 20:50:26 | kugel | i.e. http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/JohannesLinke doesn't exist |
| 20:50:29 | n1s | bertrik: with that tune loop i posted, using 100kHz spacing works much better than 50kHz spacing but still not 100% so maybe we need to do some similar fiddling with READCHAN as the clip OF... |
| 20:50:40 | lucent | do we know anyone with a "v2 Fuze" ? i.e. OF version 02.01.22 or 02.01.15a |
| 20:52:02 | Jaykay | kugel: i can live without it, as long as theres something not working either..... never mind |
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| 20:52:33 | bertrik | n1s, the clip OF way just looks rather complicated to me and the datasheet suggests that STC should be enough .... argh |
| 20:53:26 | n1s | apparently STC gets set even if no new channel was tuned in sometimes... |
| 20:54:58 | bertrik | the datasheet says that there is an initial tuning during power-up, maybe you see the STC from that tuning ? |
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| 20:56:01 | kugel | I wouldn't give too much on the sansa of tuning |
| 20:56:07 | kugel | radio is quite bad in the of imho |
| 20:56:31 | n1s | bertrik: STC gets set low by setting TUNE low so that would only affect the first tune |
| 20:58:07 | n1s | kugel, maybe so but that is only an opportunity for rockbox to be better! |
| 20:58:18 | kugel | sure :) |
| 20:58:36 | n1s | also the tuning and autoscanning works perfectly fine in the beast OF |
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| 21:10:40 | n1s | bertrik: http://pastebin.ca/1287051 works pretty well |
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| 21:11:38 | n1s | or rather it never fails to tune a preset |
| 21:12:02 | bertrik | so the check on the channel is really needed? |
| 21:12:20 | n1s | yes, it seems so |
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| 21:12:39 | n1s | which seems weird because that either means that STC is set too early or that it's not set low at all :/ |
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| 21:14:04 | kugel | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9656 |
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| 21:14:59 | bertrik | n1s, ok I'll try it on the clip too. Basically it means that STC can not really be trusted :/ |
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| 21:17:51 | n1s | yeah, or the update of READCHAN is delayed and is canceled if TUNE is set low before it's done? |
| 21:18:17 | * | lucent grins |
| 21:18:47 | lucent | kugel: I bet that's why listening to David Bowie's "Ziggy Stardust" sounded like karaoke |
| 21:18:57 | kugel | hehe |
| 21:19:26 | lucent | it was pretty funny, and yeah changing the L-R balance in settings would alternate vocal parts |
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| 21:19:32 | kugel | the earlier you reported that, the earlier I'd told you the fix ;) |
| 21:19:50 | lucent | ah - old school recordings. The time before engineers compressed the beans out of everything |
| 21:24:00 | lucent | kugel: I mentioned it and Llorean went off on me some diatribe about how it's in progress and I shouldn't complain |
| 21:24:16 | bertrik | kugel, I think it should be #if (CONFIG_CPU != AS3525) rather than just #if !defined(AS3525) |
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| 21:24:31 | lucent | bertrik: does != work in CPP ? |
| 21:24:32 | bertrik | AS3525 is #defined as 3525 :P |
| 21:24:35 | Llorean | lucent: I said one sentence on the fact that it's in progress and not expected to work properly. |
| 21:25:02 | bertrik | lucent, I assume so |
| 21:25:05 | kugel | bertrik: maybe, I haven't thought much about it, but rather just did what the comment above said |
| 21:25:22 | n1s | yes != works in the preprocessor |
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| 21:27:20 | kugel | bertrik: and the comment exactly said "defined(AS3525)" (yes it was lacking the ! |
| 21:27:22 | kugel | ) |
| 21:27:42 | bertrik | the comment was wrong and I removed it |
| 21:27:50 | kugel | ok :) |
| 21:28:31 | bertrik | I'll commit your HPCM fix tonight, ok? |
| 21:28:33 | kugel | then I apparently didn't update the one tree where I did that quite some time |
| 21:28:47 | kugel | sure |
| 21:29:37 | Unhelpful | amiconn: the first 90% of hq greyscale is mostly done. then comes the debugging, ie the other 90%. output_row is going to take a void* for the data to output, so that the signature doesn't have to change, but it will point to a row of uint32_t on greyscale targets, and struct uint32_rgb on color ones |
| 21:30:18 | bertrik | actually, I wonder why this HPCM thing is enabled first then disabled later |
| 21:31:44 | lucent | guessing, would it have anything to do with mono-channel playback? |
| 21:32:32 | lucent | bertrik: also the Fuze at least used to support audio through the dock connector in older OF |
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| 21:32:50 | lucent | throwing ideas up, here. I don't really know |
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| 21:33:42 | kugel | bertrik: the other place is at closing the driver? That shouldn't really matter I suppose? |
| 21:34:20 | bertrik | disabling the HPCM saves a little power (1.5 mA or so IIRC) |
| 21:35:07 | Jaykay | there are two patches http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/6212 and http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/5886 which do very similar things, but the codes are totally different.... and the second one is much bigger than the first.... |
| 21:35:14 | Jaykay | now the noob-question: why? |
| 21:35:36 | Jaykay | oh i forgot: i suggest closing of one of these two patches..... |
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| 21:36:55 | MarcGuay | Jaykay: Hi there. I've noticed that you're trying to help clean up the tracker - good idea. I'm wondering though if it's really valuable to close patches where although the code is currently out-of-date, it could still prove useful in the future. |
| 21:37:14 | lucent | Jaykay: August of 2006? that's pretty old |
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| 21:37:24 | Jaykay | right |
| 21:37:25 | MarcGuay | And if not the code, perhaps the implementation method. |
| 21:37:51 | MarcGuay | It might be more helpful to look over the bugs and see if they're still happening. |
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| 21:38:37 | bertrik | n1s, your code works fine here (but so did a single 60 ms delay) |
| 21:38:56 | MarcGuay | But that might just be my opinion. Patch tasks have been closed before because they're not going to be implemented in the way the patch currently exists... |
| 21:39:08 | Jaykay | marcguay: why should i not suggest closing of outdated patches: i didnt really understand |
| 21:39:22 | lucent | MarcGuay: what do you think of closing "wontfix" and adding a note to the wiki with a link to the bug in FS and a quick explanation? people could re-open if they are having trouble |
| 21:39:32 | Llorean | MarcGuay: Patches aren't around to be "helpful." They're seen as either working toward, or being a candidate for inclusion. If they're neither, they should be closed. |
| 21:39:43 | Llorean | In the case of both of these patches, it's kinda a case of "we still haven't decided what to do with short-Record" |
| 21:40:25 | Jaykay | at least one of them can be closed (imo) |
| 21:40:38 | Llorean | lucent: When patches are closed, they can have a closing note. There's not much reason to put a note in the wiki as well, is there? |
| 21:40:43 | n1s | bertrik: the problem i think with this is that the datasheet doesn't actually say _what_ tune does, it seems to do something and then just copy CHANNEL into READCHAN... |
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| 21:40:57 | MarcGuay | I didn't even look at the tasks, honestly, it just seemed that maybe the philosophy was flawed. |
| 21:41:14 | Llorean | MarcGuay: Which philosophy? |
| 21:41:29 | MarcGuay | "This patch is old so it should be closed" |
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| 21:41:49 | Llorean | They're rarely closed simply for age. |
| 21:41:57 | Jaykay | marcguay: i never said this at the only reason |
| 21:42:13 | MarcGuay | Pardon my myopia. |
| 21:42:14 | Llorean | Usually they're closed if it would be more work to resync than reimplement, or because they're old *and* going in the wrong direction (ie: the author shows no interest in correcting problems preventing it from inclusion) |
| 21:43:05 | Jaykay | there was one author who didnt know what his patch does... he copied it from another developer/volunteer/whatever |
| 21:43:17 | Jaykay | those patches are useless |
| 21:43:33 | bertrik | n1s, AN232 says about STC "Seek Tune Complete (STC) illuminates when the RSSI threshold is met in tuning activi- |
| 21:43:33 | bertrik | ties (Tune Up, Tune Down, Seek or Scan). STC bit 0Ah;14 is set high to indicate STC |
| 21:43:33 | bertrik | operation is complete and successful. |
| 21:43:33 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK bertrik |
| 21:43:33 | bertrik | " |
| 21:44:06 | LeAstrale | Question: Have any of you tried installing Rockbox on one of the new 4th generation iPod nanos ? I have been unable to find any info newer than 2nd gen |
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| 21:44:17 | BigBambi | LeAstrale: Won't work |
| 21:44:29 | n1s | aha, so tune _does_ take the threshold into account. |
| 21:44:30 | lucent | LeAstrale: guessing that Apple locked down their hardware not to accept 3rd party firmware |
| 21:44:33 | BigBambi | LeAstraleAnd it is stated as not working on www.rockbox.org |
| 21:44:36 | LeAstrale | BigBambi: *sighs* |
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| 21:44:50 | lucent | n1s: "should" at least until tested ;P |
| 21:44:52 | BigBambi | LeAstrale: New undocumented hardware, encrypted firmware |
| 21:45:00 | Llorean | lucent: Pretty much all hardware we run on arguably has some restrictions in place preventing third-party software. |
| 21:45:21 | LeAstrale | BigBambi: I was unable to find it on the site. I will just have to wait then. Thank you all for the quick response |
| 21:45:21 | lucent | Llorean: why are you telling me this? |
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| 21:45:33 | BigBambi | LeAstrale: Incidently, www.rockbox.org tells you this on the front page |
| 21:45:42 | BigBambi | i.e. that it doesn't work |
| 21:45:47 | Jaykay | Llorean: is one of the patches going to be closed? |
| 21:45:51 | Llorean | lucent: So you don't need to be guessing? |
| 21:45:58 | BigBambi | LeAstrale: And I wouldn't get your hopes up waiting |
| 21:46:00 | n1s | Llorean: more like pretty much all hardware is buggy or doesn't do what the documentation says :/ |
| 21:46:04 | LeAstrale | BigBambi: I'm sry about that, my apologies |
| 21:46:15 | bertrik | n1s, yeah maybe this can be interpreted that as to say that the STC bit is only one of several conditions of a successful tune |
| 21:46:16 | BigBambi | LeAstrale: It isn't a problem :) |
| 21:46:25 | LeAstrale | Seems i'm gonna have to use .ALAC then :/ |
| 21:46:33 | Llorean | Jaykay: Can't really close one until a decision is made about whether or how the feature will be implemented. |
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| 21:46:59 | Jaykay | but they're duplicates.... some kind of |
| 21:47:08 | BigBambi | not exactly |
| 21:47:20 | n1s | bertrik: the an230 says that it "indicates" it same as a gpio interrupt (which they wait for in each of their examples before checking any bits) |
| 21:47:32 | Llorean | Jaykay: You yourself noted they're not identical. So to close one, we have to decide that one's not the code we want to use. Until we know what we DO want to use, that decision's pretty hard to make. |
| 21:47:48 | Jaykay | ok... |
| 21:48:27 | MarcGuay | Jaykay: Like I said, I think a better use of your time would be to root through the open bugs. |
| 21:48:30 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 21:48:30 | * | lucent throws a firecracker aat Llorean |
| 21:48:59 | Llorean | Jaykay: The idea is to keep around tasks that may be of use to the developers. Tasks shouldn't be closed unless they're deemed useless or more effort to use than re-create in one form or another |
| 21:49:13 | Llorean | lucent: A reminder, this is an on-topic channel. |
| 21:49:28 | BigBambi | Although, isn't one short press to view playlist and the other short press to view playlist and long to record. Given we already use long press to go to record, then they are essentially the same? I've only looked at the summary, not the patch btw |
| 21:49:36 | Jaykay | marcguay: ill do that.... if you think it helps better |
| 21:49:37 | lucent | Jaykay: I'm up for helping with tracker clean-up, it's easier for me though if I can test patches locally i.e. with hardware I already own or pctools |
| 21:49:48 | MarcGuay | Llorean: Doesn't that contradict slightly with your previous statement that "Patches aren't around to be "helpful.""? |
| 21:49:53 | Jaykay | llorean: ok.... |
| 21:50:18 | Llorean | MarcGuay: They aren't around to be helpful in a general sense. As in "we don't leave them open on the off chance they'll be helpful to users, once we know we won't use them" |
| 21:50:22 | Llorean | Sorry if I was a bit unclear. |
| 21:50:38 | bertrik | n1s, ok I don't know anymore what to think of this STC bit |
| 21:50:48 | MarcGuay | Got it. I heard it as a response to another angle. |
| 21:50:50 | n1s | me neither |
| 21:51:08 | Llorean | MarcGuay: Sorry. I should try to be a bit clearer. |
| 21:51:25 | MarcGuay | Llorean: Without tone it's difficult. |
| 21:51:46 | Llorean | Agreed |
| 21:52:01 | elinenbe | How's rockbox coming along on the iphone? |
| 21:52:05 | Jaykay | lucent: i also can test the patches...... but not now as im doing battery benchmarks :) |
| 21:52:13 | * | lucent :) |
| 21:52:22 | rasher | elinenbe: It's not really, afaik. |
| 21:52:45 | pixelma | btw. I read the mail and I thought about the "use white as transparent mask on greyscale targets" one because I know amiconn had some ideas about it but more in the lines of what LinusN's comment said back then - using a different colour for this. Don't know details but wanted to point him to it |
| 21:53:17 | Jaykay | lucent: i also have some patches wich could be committed imo, but ill wait for 3.1 |
| 21:54:07 | Llorean | Jaykay: Are they bug fixes or features? |
| 21:55:13 | elinenbe | How's rockbox coming along on the ipod nano v2 and ipod nano v3 and ipod nano v4? |
| 21:55:21 | Jaykay | Llorean: features, except 2. i thought they were fixes but gevaerts said i should wait |
| 21:55:35 | krazykit | elinenbe, also not coming along at all. please stop asking for status reports and check the relevant wiki pages and forum threads |
| 21:55:52 | Jaykay | Llorean: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/2533, http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/4719 |
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| 21:56:17 | Jaykay | both are working fine |
| 21:56:48 | elinenbe | krazykit: ah! forum.com? |
| 21:57:06 | * | lucent groans a bit |
| 21:57:15 | lucent | elinenbe: I'll explain in privmsg :) |
| 21:57:23 | BigBambi | I'm sure he knows |
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| 22:09:40 | bertrik | n1s, this is what the clip OF does as far as I understand, except that the OF uses a for-loop instead of do-while: http://pastebin.ca/1287096 |
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| 22:11:11 | stsquad | Is is possible to create messages that take a parameter in the lang files? i.e. Save file as "%s" type thing? |
| 22:12:33 | Zagor | stsquad: yes |
| 22:13:29 | Zagor | there are already 28 such strings used |
| 22:13:58 | stsquad | Zagor: example? |
| 22:14:19 | Zagor | "Inserted %d tracks (%s)" |
| 22:14:31 | Zagor | grep the lang files for % |
| 22:14:46 | stsquad | Zagor: I see now, thanks! |
| 22:16:11 | Unhelpful | how does that work when languages require different orderings? or does it, um, not work very well, then? |
| 22:16:56 | Zagor | Unhelpful: not well. the parameter order must be maintained. |
| 22:17:11 | rasher | I'm not aware of any strings with multiple replacements where order might be different across languages |
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| 22:18:41 | domonoky | what does voice do for this strings ? |
| 22:18:58 | stsquad | What's the best example of implementing a multi-option menu selection in the code? I'm looking at replacing the erase dynamic playlist warning as discussed on the ml |
| 22:19:19 | rasher | domonoky: Use static strings |
| 22:23:27 | jhMikeS | gevaerts: On Windows at least, there's a problem with the USB charging only config in that if the device is not recognized, it never gets configured and so never gets 500mA. |
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| 22:27:11 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: interesting. So we basically will need a real nop-driver (like HID or audio). I'm not sure if it's urgent though, I don't think Windows will really hard-limit the port to 100mA |
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| 22:28:20 | jhMikeS | Perhaps not, but I want the charging to observe things. An inf file wouldn't be enough? |
| 22:29:07 | gevaerts | I don't think so. Not sure though |
| 22:30:41 | gevaerts | FS #8747 is a possible "real" solution to this, although HID would probably be better |
| 22:34:06 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: by the way, did you see r19418? |
| 22:34:30 | jhMikeS | Not specifically. I'll check it out. |
| 22:35:53 | jhMikeS | ah, yes. I did find a way to not require audiobuffer reinit that really worked better overall. hehe. |
| 22:36:56 | gevaerts | I could revert it, but there were no binsize differences for that one |
| 22:37:07 | bertrik | jhMikeS, are you familiar with the HPCM setting in the as3514 codec? we first turn it on in audiohw_preinit but it is later disabled in audiohw_postinit |
| 22:37:54 | bertrik | Wouldn't it be better to just turn it on or off in audiohw_preinit and not modify it later? |
| 22:37:56 | jhMikeS | Someone else added the turnoff. I would think you could just set it appropriately in audiohw_preinit. |
| 22:38:09 | jhMikeS | turnoff/turnon |
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| 22:39:05 | bertrik | ok, I'll code that and try it on my e200 (which allows it be off) and my clip (which needs it on) |
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| 22:40:12 | jhMikeS | The only time HPCM helped on e200v1 was during shutdown as part of preventing pops. |
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| 22:50:00 | stsquad | Is it possible to have menu text with a dynamic parameter (as opposed to just messages with a dynamic paramter)? |
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| 22:53:20 | bertrik | jhMikeS, I changed it to use the proper setting in audiohw_preinit (off for e200v1) and I'm not hearing any pops on shutdown or stop/start playback |
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| 22:53:53 | bertrik | I hear a rather silent pop on powerup, but that's before even the sandisk logo shows, so it's nothing we can do about |
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| 22:54:51 | bertrik | on the clip I do hear a pop when starting/stopping playback, but I never paid any attention to pops on the clip before now |
| 22:55:10 | jhMikeS | Previously, if audiohw_close didn't close it properly, it would be a huge bang on repowering. Apparently it needed to discharge some caps. |
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| 23:20:21 | bluebrother | hmpf |
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| 23:35:48 | MiniGod | is there an emulator for iPod? |
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| 23:38:28 | bertrik | kugel, I can commit the fmradio-i2c sources, but I'd like to hold off committing the other radio stuff until after the freeze because it may also impact the gigabeast |
| 23:38:50 | rasher | The beast isn't a realease target either |
| 23:39:14 | _MiniGod | is there an emulator for iPod on windows? |
| 23:39:28 | Bagder | _MiniGod: we don't have emulators for anything, we have simulators |
| 23:39:42 | _MiniGod | sorry, emulator then. |
| 23:39:48 | _MiniGod | simulators lol |
| 23:39:55 | rasher | Bagder: We have FS #6524! |
| 23:41:07 | Llorean | _MiniGod: There's a pretty major difference. |
| 23:41:26 | _MiniGod | i dont know the difference |
| 23:42:01 | _MiniGod | ah. now i found the simulators |
| 23:42:13 | Llorean | Emulators fake the hardware. Our simulators just look like the player, but underneath there's no fake hardware, they just use the PC like normal software does. |
| 23:43:07 | _MiniGod | ok |
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