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| 00:15:26 | kugel | lucent: hey, I had some success |
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| 00:19:10 | kugel | any scroll/clickwheel expert? |
| 00:19:27 | n1s | jhMikeS: cheers on getting the charging stuff committed :) |
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| 00:19:44 | kugel | I'm having problems to get it to work in menus |
| 00:20:39 | n1s | gevaerts, Unhelpful, jhMikeS: The problem with uninstallation and dual boot is the same, you need a fresh nk.bin which we can't really distribute without permission |
| 00:21:18 | fdinel | kugel & mc2739: there's no code toggling GPIO A1 in the e200 code (and no similar code with other pins) so I guess the buttons/wheel handling is not completely the same |
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| 00:22:48 | n1s | this is also true for a couple of other targets but for those we rely on third party mirrors only difference is that those are usually update files that the manufacturer has released freely |
| 00:23:12 | ASULutzy | Any idea why my 2nd generation ipod mini won't enter disk mode after I installed rockbox? |
| 00:23:20 | ASULutzy | fdisk -l doesn't show it either |
| 00:23:33 | n1s | ASULutzy: does it freeze? |
| 00:24:10 | ASULutzy | Once I plug a USB cable in, a picture of a USB dongle is displayed and it just sits there; I'm able to reboot it by holding select + menu |
| 00:24:31 | kugel | I bet this acceleration is troublesome |
| 00:24:55 | n1s | anyway i see 3 ways forward (1) easy, we simply do not support uninstallation or dualboot (2) we get permission to redistribute the file (3) we rely on 3rd party mirrors to do it |
| 00:25:01 | ASULutzy | n1s: I'm a little worried I may have bricked my ipod :) |
| 00:25:41 | n1s | ASULutzy: that is a known bug, some rockbox builds freeze on USB insertion on some players for an unknown reason |
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| 00:26:18 | ASULutzy | n1s: heh, so I've got no way to interface with my ipod and it's a fancy paperweight until said bug is fixed? |
| 00:26:19 | n1s | ASULutzy: a workaround is to manually enter diskmode or start the original firmware |
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| 00:27:23 | ASULutzy | How can I manually enter disk mode? |
| 00:27:28 | ASULutzy | or start the original firmware for that matter |
| 00:28:04 | n1s | when the ipod is starting toggle hold to start the original firmware (this is in the manual btw) |
| 00:28:22 | n1s | you then need to menu+select restart it to get back into rockbox |
| 00:28:58 | ASULutzy | n1s: I'll rtfm, sorry I just thought I bricked my ipod and was said and wanted immediate resolution, you know how it is ;) |
| 00:29:00 | n1s | to get into diskmode press select+play immediately afer resetting with menu+select (IIRC) |
| 00:29:05 | ASULutzy | n1s: Thank you for your help |
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| 00:44:13 | Luigi12 | hi, I was wondering if I can have rockbox play in a random order w/out having to shuffle. I can't figure it out and it's not in the manual. |
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| 00:45:34 | n1s | Luigi12: to shuffle you can either turn on the shuffle option or use "Insert Shuffled" to inser tracks in a random order into a playlist |
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| 00:46:10 | Luigi12 | yes, but I don't want to turn on the shuffle option, and preferrably not shuffle the playlist |
| 00:46:37 | pixelma | "insert shuffled" on a song or directory |
| 00:46:38 | n1s | then the answer is "no" |
| 00:47:09 | Luigi12 | ok, thanks. Can you shuffle the current playlist w/out enabling the shuffle option? |
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| 00:47:36 | n1s | selecting "reshuffle" from the wps context menu shoudl do it |
| 00:48:10 | Luigi12 | ok that works. Thanks for your help! |
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| 00:55:49 | kugel | ha |
| 00:55:51 | kugel | yes!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:56:09 | Unhelpful | n1s: i know about the redistribution issue, i was trying to think of ways we might be able to extract the nk.bin from the user's own player. accessing the drive on their PC with an adapter really doesn't seem "nice", there were never any updates, and no official, recovery tool either, so we can't extract it from that... unless we know a way to inject executable code via a file, we're kind of stuck on providing dual-boot or uninstall. :/ |
| 00:57:17 | saratoga | as long as we make it clear that theres no legit way to uninstall I don't see a problem |
| 00:57:23 | Llorean | Nor do I. |
| 00:57:33 | Llorean | Big, red letters in the manual. |
| 00:57:41 | Llorean | And in RBUtil, I suppose. |
| 00:58:28 | n1s | that will of course not stop the people asking about how to uninstall :/ |
| 00:58:46 | saratoga | theres not that many beast users around |
| 00:58:55 | saratoga | so i doubt many will ask |
| 00:59:18 | saratoga | the players been out of production for years and seems to be fairly easy to break |
| 00:59:43 | n1s | but i really don't see the problem of hosting a file copied from a player when hosting a file downloaded from a website seems fine, AFAIK you need express permission to distribute both |
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| 01:00:32 | Llorean | n1s: Do we host firmware images at Rockbox that we've downloaded from somewhere? |
| 01:00:33 | n1s | saratoga: if i didn't know rockbox well, i'd be reluctant to install it if there was noway to uninstall |
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| 01:00:48 | saratoga | n1s: then you shouldn't install it |
| 01:00:59 | n1s | Llorean: no, i mean that we refer to rasher's mirror for example |
| 01:01:43 | saratoga | theres no sense keeping it unsupported forever just because some people might not want to use it if it can't be uninstalled |
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| 01:02:20 | saratoga | it should be made supported, and then we should hope that some owner figures out a way to install without losing the original firmware |
| 01:02:36 | Llorean | I think one difference is that it's a mirror of files that are available sans-cost from the hardware manufaturer. |
| 01:02:46 | Llorean | Meanwhile the firmware installed on the player isn't available sans-cost, it costs what the player costs. |
| 01:03:07 | n1s | Llorean: but legally i don't think there's a difference |
| 01:03:35 | n1s | however i doubt that either toshiba or microsoft would really care |
| 01:04:03 | saratoga | we definately don't have the right to distribute the files, but we're probably ok telling people that they exist as long as we're not linking to them |
| 01:04:08 | n1s | it is of no use to anyone who have not got the player |
| 01:05:14 | n1s | maybe rasher or Bagder are fine with hosting it? |
| 01:05:19 | esotericguy | Hi, So i'm having problems with rockbox. It was working fine but then i couldn't initialize the library (it would stop at 1500+songs found even tho i only had 900-ish) so i restored my ipod 30gb in itunes. i reinstalled rockbox using the rockbox utility. but now when i try to initialize the database it goes up to 409 and stops. any suggestions, help? |
| 01:06:04 | saratoga | i wonder if its possible to recovery the original nk.bin file after overwritting it |
| 01:06:15 | saratoga | does the update process erase or rewrite the file? |
| 01:06:43 | saratoga | esotericguy: that usually means you have a corrupt file somewhere that freezes the tag parser |
| 01:07:41 | esotericguy | saratoga: and how do i go about fixing this? |
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| 01:07:58 | saratoga | esotericguy: delete the corrupted file or fix its tags |
| 01:08:12 | n1s | or file a bugreport and attach it |
| 01:08:23 | saratoga | yeah that one is probably best |
| 01:09:28 | esotericguy | and how do i do that? |
| 01:10:21 | amiconn | saratoga: Since at least the firmware partition uses TFAT, and TFAT is transaction safe, I would expect the old data to be recoverable, as long as nothing else is written to disk afterwards |
| 01:11:02 | Llorean | amiconn: So, write the firmware, reboot into our code, and immediately attempt to read the old firmware without writing anything else? |
| 01:11:16 | Llorean | Or even have our code read/dumb it on first boot? |
| 01:11:19 | Llorean | *dump |
| 01:11:37 | Unhelpful | i believe both use tfat, at least in the OF |
| 01:11:45 | amiconn | It could be that there's built-in protection against recovery of the firmware file, but not very likely |
| 01:12:25 | amiconn | The problem is to RE TFAT enough to be able to find the old data |
| 01:13:06 | kugel | oh this needs some serious calibration |
| 01:13:36 | saratoga | amiconn: maybe the file is written to sequentially to the disk when toshiba images the firmware? if so it might be possible to scan the unallocated space for it |
| 01:13:42 | esotericguy | saratoga: how do i delete the corrupted file or fix its tags? |
| 01:14:00 | saratoga | esotericguy: I have no idea |
| 01:14:13 | saratoga | maybe binary search for it or just rewrite all your files tags |
| 01:14:32 | Unhelpful | we know the md5sum, that helps :D |
| 01:15:25 | saratoga | the start of the file is at the start of some cluster [or whatever they're called in tfat], so maybe check the first couple bytes of each cluster for the nk.bin, copy it out, and then md5 it |
| 01:15:44 | saratoga | just thinking aloud here |
| 01:15:55 | Unhelpful | it's definitely an idea |
| 01:16:23 | amiconn | Maybe one complete cluster |
| 01:16:48 | esotericguy | well i have no idea how to do any of that... Why isn't restoring it, then reinstalling rockbox working? |
| 01:17:11 | saratoga | esotericguy: because the problem is your files |
| 01:18:27 | Unhelpful | FW partition is 137MB, 2048B clusters |
| 01:18:52 | Unhelpful | original nk.bin is 13MB |
| 01:19:05 | esotericguy | which and what files? on my ipod? computer? |
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| 01:21:08 | saratoga | once rockbox is installed, is there some easy way to dump the firmware partition? |
| 01:21:30 | amiconn | jhMikeS: The beast charging somehow disturbs usb... :( |
| 01:23:31 | kugel | saratoga: I got the wheel working, sort of |
| 01:23:32 | Llorean | esotericguy: As they said, it's a problem with the tags in one of your songs. |
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| 01:24:09 | n1s | esotericguy: database initialization hanging is usually caused by tags causing our metadata parsers to fail, to fix the problem you need to find the files which have the tags that cause this and (preferably file a bug report and attach one of them) then rewriting the tags or deletign the files |
| 01:24:55 | kugel | saratoga: want a patch? |
| 01:25:08 | saratoga | kugel: sure |
| 01:25:33 | saratoga | are you going to have something to commit tonight? |
| 01:26:03 | esotericguy | n1s: how do i find the files? and how do i make a bug report? |
| 01:26:13 | n1s | esotericguy: one efficient way is doing a binary search, i.e. remove half your files and see if it works, if it does remove that half and put the other back if it didn't work remove half of what you have on the player now, rinse, repeat |
| 01:26:43 | n1s | file bugreports i the tracker http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/newtask/proj1 |
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| 01:28:48 | jhMikeS | amiconn: disturbes it? I haven't seen that nor know how it could. |
| 01:29:11 | amiconn | USB (in main rockbox) jumps in & out for me now |
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| 01:30:21 | jhMikeS | the hub issue perhaps? noone else reported anything. |
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| 01:30:43 | amiconn | It's not the hub issue. USB worked perfectly without charging |
| 01:30:51 | kugel | saratoga: here: http://pastebin.ca/1291110 (unexpetec wheel behavior included :) ) |
| 01:30:54 | amiconn | The hub issue only affects PP |
| 01:31:19 | onlysoaa | Hullo everyone. I was wondering if I can have a chat with anyone experienced with Telechips devices. |
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| 01:32:22 | saratoga | onlysoaa: theres a few developers working on those ports, probably best to just ask and then see if any of them are listening now |
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| 01:33:12 | saratoga | kugel: regarding the SD issue i'm having with my fuze, is this just because I have an 8GB fuze and need to move .rockbox below 1GB? |
| 01:33:19 | jhMikeS | Don't PP targets always try to draw current for charging? Its only tie up with USB is checking the input state for available current. |
| 01:33:48 | onlysoaa | Thanks. I'm looking to hack the firmware update for the Samsung P2 (sorry, not for rockbox porting) and I was wondering if anyone knows how to disassemble the update ROM. |
| 01:34:07 | onlysoaa | (maybe I'll start a P2 port later on, but I'm too inexperienced at the moment) |
| 01:34:10 | kugel | saratoga: what issue exactly? |
| 01:34:13 | saratoga | you mean more specifically then objdump? |
| 01:34:19 | kugel | but yea, definitely possible |
| 01:34:29 | saratoga | kugel: I get a hang with an SD error when the bootloader finishes |
| 01:34:37 | onlysoaa | saratoga: objdump works with update ROMs? |
| 01:34:47 | amiconn | jhMikeS: I am referring to the newly committed beast charging. |
| 01:34:52 | saratoga | onlysoaa: sure it works with anything thats arm |
| 01:35:17 | onlysoaa | saratoga: Thanks, I'll give it a shot. Working on Windows at the moment, but I'm running an ubuntu vm. |
| 01:35:19 | kugel | saratoga: I created a 500MB filesystem limiting my disk space, I don't experience such things |
| 01:35:47 | amiconn | Before it, USB worked perfectly. Now when I plug it, it starts charging and connects. After a few seconds (time varies) usb disconnects, then reconnects again after a few more seconds. Somethimes it stays disconnected, or locks up. |
| 01:35:59 | jhMikeS | amiconn: Me too. It does nothing with the USB stack except to check current and use it if available. |
| 01:36:00 | saratoga | onlysoaa: you'll need the objdump included with the rockbox dev tools, and you may want to look at the D2 port to see if any of their tools are useful |
| 01:36:17 | amiconn | I will observe it further - it seems to work if the charger is plugged in addition to usb |
| 01:36:40 | jhMikeS | Makes sense. Then it won't draw current from the port. |
| 01:36:48 | onlysoaa | saratoga: Thanks. Where should I look for the rockbox dev tools? |
| 01:37:11 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Maybe it draws too much so the OS temporarily disables the port? |
| 01:37:12 | jhMikeS | Current should be under 500mA even at the max for USB. |
| 01:37:29 | saratoga | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevelopmentGuide |
| 01:37:34 | amiconn | It must not draw more than what's negotiated |
| 01:38:02 | saratoga | given the small size of the battery its hard to imagine it can pull more then 500mA |
| 01:38:09 | onlysoaa | saratoga: Thanks. Maybe we'll see some custom fonts with the Samsung OF within a few days, and a rockbox port to the P2 in a few years. :D |
| 01:38:09 | jhMikeS | You can check the debug screen and it will tell you. It only draws charging power if approved and < 100 if not. |
| 01:38:25 | kugel | saratoga: I'm kinda doubtful that it's going to be a useful wheel w/o interrupts |
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| 01:38:52 | saratoga | kugel: yeah assuming its 72/clicks a turn, its going to be messy if you spin remotely fast |
| 01:39:01 | kugel | the wheel values changes a lot within one "physical click" |
| 01:39:17 | kugel | and the chance is incredible high that you miss values using the tick task only |
| 01:39:29 | saratoga | i'd be amazed if they didn't have some way to do interrupts |
| 01:39:37 | kugel | it's already messy if turning really slowly |
| 01:39:39 | saratoga | otherwise they'd have put a button on the DBOP and the wheel on GPIO |
| 01:40:09 | saratoga | the fact that its the wheel on DBOP means they must have a way to get an interrupt off of it |
| 01:40:23 | kugel | well, the wheel must be baiscally on gpio too |
| 01:41:00 | kugel | it's not found so far. But I think I'll have another look at the pins with GPIOA1 set. we lacked that one upto now |
| 01:41:42 | jhMikeS | The limit for configured USB (upper end of regulator tolerance) is 401mA. Unconfigured is 91. |
| 01:43:31 | amiconn | Polled wheel is next to unusable. I know this from the old ipod G1..G3/mini G1 driver |
| 01:44:25 | amiconn | (although the ipod wheel has a bit more resolution - 96 steps per turn) |
| 01:48:14 | jhMikeS | saratoga: It can draw up to 555mA if the main charger is connected (max setting). |
| 01:49:31 | saratoga | jhMikeS: how big is the battery? |
| 01:50:11 | jhMikeS | saratoga: 700mAh, so that's about .79C which is just fine (and what the OF uses). |
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| 01:50:31 | saratoga | amiconn: is it possible they just had a regular interrupt that fired ~100 times a second, polled the status register, and then returned? |
| 01:50:47 | saratoga | jhMikeS: thats fairly high, but i guess if the OF uses it |
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| 01:51:03 | rasher | JdGordon: I don't see any commits to the 3.1 branch by you. |
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| 01:53:13 | amiconn | saratoga: Reading 100 times a second is way too slow even if you spin the wheel only moderately fast |
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| 01:54:10 | amiconn | You'll easily miss a status, and then it starts behaving erratically, because the direction cannot be detected anymore |
| 01:54:10 | kugel | amiconn: yea that's my impression too |
| 01:54:31 | kugel | but unless we get a way to use irq that's the only way |
| 01:58:18 | JdGordon | rasher: oh, misunderstood you.. I thought you said my commit only got into the 3.1 branch (/me thinking release meant trunk..) |
| 01:58:25 | JdGordon | how do i commit to the branch? |
| 01:59:04 | saratoga | kugel: well theres unused IRQ numbers in the interrupt controller, perhaps sandisk has a different revision then our datasheet covers? |
| 01:59:12 | pixelma | JdGordon: checkout the 3.1 trunk and commit from there |
| 01:59:42 | saratoga | IRQ20 is DBOP, but 21 is unused, perhaps its not usued in sandisk's revision |
| 01:59:51 | pixelma | (apply your changes somewhen in between) |
| 01:59:52 | kugel | saratoga: I think they got their earlier then we got our? No, I think all possible ISRs are covered |
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| 02:00:28 | saratoga | kugel: they got sandisk to add DRAM to the chip, and our datasheet doesn't mention it, so adding something else is also possible |
| 02:00:28 | JdGordon | pixelma: arg, ok |
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| 02:00:40 | saratoga | i assume you mean youv'e looked at all the ISRs in the dump? |
| 02:01:00 | kugel | no |
| 02:01:34 | kugel | but funman told me that there's an isr on GPIOB, so it's possible |
| 02:01:52 | saratoga | are all the ISRs together in the firmware? |
| 02:03:10 | kugel | yea |
| 02:03:33 | kugel | funman said the isrs are mentioned directly after the occurrence of the word "HEADER" |
| 02:04:07 | kugel | I have looked at it, but I didn't get much out of it. I'll look again once I'm more familiar with IdA |
| 02:04:58 | saratoga | how are interrupts stored on ARM? does it just branch into the interrupt handler, check the intterupt code, and then branch to an ISR? |
| 02:08:04 | kugel | well, you set up an interrupt in the VIC, and implement the isr, that's it |
| 02:08:16 | kugel | a bit more complicated for GPIO, but essentially the same |
| 02:08:52 | kugel | the vic will branch to the isr when an interrupt happens |
| 02:11:22 | kugel | that's at least how it works on your ams sansas |
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| 02:17:00 | QUICKSTART | is there a way to eliminate duplicate entries in the database? |
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| 02:31:03 | onlysoaa | Hmm... objdump doesn't recognize the format of the P2's update ROM image. |
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| 02:47:39 | saratoga | onlysoaa: the ROM won't be a standard format, so you'll have to dump it in raw mode and force arm, check the man entry |
| 02:50:50 | Unhelpful | kugel: you could maybe implement interrupts for the unused IRQ numbers that just increment an entry in a table, and then scroll the wheel a bunch and look in the table for something that's gone up quite a bit? |
| 02:51:51 | kugel | Unhelpful: you mean trial and error? :) |
| 02:52:42 | Unhelpful | essentially, but you *do* have a list of supposedly unused interrupts, and that seems the easiest way to find if one of them is triggered by wheel movement |
| 02:52:54 | saratoga | you probably have to enable interrupts for those pins though |
| 02:54:39 | kugel | Unhelpful: we have free isr for dbop and gpiob, that should not be the problems |
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| 02:55:16 | kugel | Unhelpful: we need to mask the interrupts, and for that we need to know how the wheel could trigger an interrupt |
| 02:55:35 | * | Unhelpful remembers how little he knows about this hardware stuff, and goes back to his bitmap corner |
| 02:55:49 | kugel | hehe :) |
| 02:56:10 | saratoga | the DBOP looks like a custom AMS part rather then something they licensed, so in theory sandisk could have asked them to change it however they liked |
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| 03:02:55 | kugel | saratoga: dbop is part of as3525 |
| 03:03:01 | onlysoaa | Hmm... the man entry doesn't talk about raw mode... |
| 03:03:08 | onlysoaa | @saratoga |
| 03:05:50 | saratoga | onlysoaa: did you try something like arm-elf-objdump -D -marm -b binary ? |
| 03:05:58 | saratoga | found that just now on google |
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| 03:06:16 | onlysoaa | saratoga: I'll try that right now. |
| 03:08:00 | onlysoaa | It works, thanks. I doubt it's doing it correctly though. |
| 03:08:11 | saratoga | whys that? |
| 03:08:22 | onlysoaa | Oh wait, nevermind. |
| 03:09:08 | onlysoaa | Do you think it could disassemble into gibberish if the format isn't specified right? Or would it just fail? |
| 03:10:15 | saratoga | onlysoaa: if theres no ARM code you'll just get a lot of invalid ops, but that shouldn't happen unless you're using the wrong file or something |
| 03:10:59 | onlysoaa | Ah, I see. Is there a quick way to find out if it's outputting gibberish or not? |
| 03:11:55 | saratoga | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ObjdumpGuide |
| 03:12:10 | onlysoaa | Thanks. |
| 03:12:46 | saratoga | onlysoaa: you understand what objdump does right? |
| 03:13:02 | onlysoaa | saratoga: Yeah. |
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| 03:24:17 | Unhelpful | seriously, it's one extra multiply, and a condition and a few bytes more code, in a plugin, if we want to make it selectable. and it's during the caching part, rendering, they both render just as fast. the code i have for the latter model is somewhat entangled in my other PF work, but i could port it separately quite easily. |
| 03:27:13 | * | kugel fears Unhelpful is getting horny on every single saved byte |
| 03:30:59 | Unhelpful | actually, i'm more trying to say that a few extra bytes for this aren't a big deal. it's in the plugin buffer, which has a fixed size. it only matters if it makes the plugin's code too big for it to buffer the data it needs to. |
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| 03:47:06 | onlysoaa | saratoga: Ah hah, the TelechipsInfo and D2 pages are quite useful. :] |
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| 03:54:46 | kugel | Unhelpful: exactly! |
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| 06:08:22 | Lss | im having a problem with unicode tags |
| 06:08:33 | Lss | it doesnt display and shows up as sort of a box |
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| 06:09:15 | onlysoaa | Lss: You need a font that supports unicode. |
| 06:09:44 | Lss | i isolated the issue to being theme related so how do i make the theme work? |
| 06:09:56 | Unhelpful | it's *font* related. use a unicode font. |
| 06:10:01 | Lss | im trying to use detailed text |
| 06:10:11 | Lss | i did select the unicode font |
| 06:10:29 | Lss | ipod video set to english and using unicode |
| 06:10:42 | Unhelpful | and then did you set a theme after setting the font? |
| 06:10:55 | Lss | yes |
| 06:11:14 | Unhelpful | the theme changed the font, probably. |
| 06:11:52 | Lss | but i double checked after changing the theme and its still unicode unless the theme forces charset? |
| 06:12:34 | Unhelpful | individual fonts have different characters in them. not all fonts contain glyphs for all characters. |
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| 06:13:09 | Unhelpful | try changing the font to 16-GNU-Unifont |
| 06:13:38 | Lss | ok |
| 06:13:43 | Lss | gimme a sec |
| 06:15:26 | Lss | ok that worked |
| 06:15:29 | Lss | thanks |
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| 06:26:51 | Dhraakellian | about how often would you guys say the data corruption bug occurs on the Sansa e200? |
| 06:27:56 | Dhraakellian | ...and it still happens with cut/paste without USB, right? |
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| 06:30:58 | Photoguy | Is it possible for a Lithium ion battery to just quit suddenly? |
| 06:31:15 | Photoguy | My e-200 battery won't charge anymore. |
| 06:32:31 | Dhraakellian | I know that mine started only charging to ~94% seemingly overnight a few weeks ago |
| 06:32:39 | Dhraakellian | not charging at all? |
| 06:33:03 | Dhraakellian | open it up, take the battery out, put it back in, try again? |
| 06:33:04 | Photoguy | No..Im charging externally, but no matter what I do it still dwindles.. |
| 06:33:23 | Photoguy | %10...%9...%8.. |
| 06:33:25 | Photoguy | :P |
| 06:33:35 | Dhraakellian | (disclaimer: I don't claim to be an expert about such things) |
| 06:34:01 | Photoguy | :) |
| 06:34:29 | Photoguy | But it actually did quit overnight. |
| 06:34:39 | Dhraakellian | when charging overnight? |
| 06:34:41 | Dhraakellian | !;) |
| 06:34:50 | Photoguy | One night it was working then it just wouldn't charge..at all! |
| 06:35:02 | Photoguy | Yeah, actually :) |
| 06:35:02 | * | Dhraakellian goes looking for the page about building Rockbox for oneself |
| 06:35:35 | Photoguy | Forget it.. |
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| 06:35:53 | Photoguy | Maybe I'll buy a PSP, they're pretty hackable. |
| 06:37:25 | DogBoy | not on purpose they're not |
| 06:37:45 | scorche | either way, it is off-topic.. |
| 06:37:52 | DogBoy | heh |
| 06:38:13 | Photoguy | Or a D2..Cowon. |
| 06:38:21 | Photoguy | But those are exspensive. |
| 06:38:22 | onlysoaa | I got a PSP, but I'm going back to my Samsung P2 because the PSP is just too big. |
| 06:38:41 | Photoguy | Hm, how much will you sell it for? |
| 06:38:46 | onlysoaa | Too bad neither can run Rockbox. although the P2 does have sweet sound options. |
| 06:38:47 | Photoguy | Sorry, off topic. |
| 06:38:52 | scorche | folks...this is #rockbox..can we please keep discussion on Rockbox? |
| 06:38:57 | Dhraakellian | #rockbox-community |
| 06:39:13 | * | Dhraakellian drifted off a tad, for which he is sorry |
| 06:39:33 | * | Dhraakellian continues looking into building with USB enabled |
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| 06:40:56 | Photoguy | /me wonders why Dhraakellian keeps a running commentary on his personal life.. |
| 06:41:42 | * | Dhraakellian shrugs |
| 06:42:15 | Photoguy | :) |
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| 06:49:21 | Lss | is it normal that just turning on the ipod causes the battery to go from 100 to 90 |
| 06:49:38 | Lss | 5.5gen video |
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| 07:13:34 | * | lucent reads note from kugel about wheel |
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| 07:40:11 | Dhraakellian | if I'm building Rockbox for my e200 with USB enabled, should I enable high speed or just full speed? |
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| 07:58:51 | Llorean | Dhraakellian: It depends. Do you want file corruption after slow transfers, or after quick transfers? |
| 07:59:06 | Dhraakellian | hehheh |
| 07:59:59 | Dhraakellian | my reasoning is that if I'm going to be using cut/paste anyway, I might as well just risk the corruption over USB instead of the more labor-intensive way |
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| 08:00:25 | Dhraakellian | I was just wondering if there was a reliability difference between full speed and high speed |
| 08:00:45 | Llorean | With cut/paste you're just going to corrupt the card (assuming you only write to it) |
| 08:01:02 | Llorean | If you use USB support to write to the player you could trash its filesystem, needing more work to restore. |
| 08:01:09 | Llorean | High speed is much faster than full speed. |
| 08:01:20 | Dhraakellian | oh, I'd still be using the OF for transferring to the internal storage |
| 08:01:58 | Llorean | You really should just get a card reader. They're very cheap. |
| 08:03:18 | Dhraakellian | I have one, but using it would require undoing and redoing the hot-glue/electrician's tape jury-rig I have to keep the card from popping out |
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| 08:22:21 | lucent | Dhraakellian: i'm confused, what is your question |
| 08:23:24 | Dhraakellian | lucent: I was wondering if there was any quality/reliability difference between enabling high-speed vs. only low-speed USB (data corruption aside) |
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| 08:23:57 | Dhraakellian | and then I explained my reasons for not using an external adapter |
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| 09:17:06 | lucent | Dhraakellian: Sorry, I don't understand. What is the question you are asking to the channel? |
| 09:17:28 | Dhraakellian | lucent: nevermind. I think it's been answered. |
| 09:17:55 | Dhraakellian | I'm going to go back into lurk mode and then eventually fade/part out |
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| 09:20:46 | Lss | im just wondering but isnt it a better idea to reverse the newline thing for wps files |
| 09:21:03 | Lss | newlines are treated as comments unless specified |
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| 09:41:52 | lucent | wow... kugel's latest patch makes rockbox behave somewhat like rockbox for Fuze targets |
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| 09:59:14 | _rossy_ | hi #rockbox |
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| 10:00:29 | _rossy_ | i just made a wps for the iriver H10 5/6GB. could someone give me write access to the wiki at JamesRossGowan? |
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| 10:07:38 | lucent | _rossy_: stick around, someone will hear you |
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| 10:07:48 | _rossy_ | ok, cool |
| 10:08:31 | lucent | _rossy_: before posting, be *sure* you follow the provided guidelines on making a WPS contribution. I think I remember that there's documentation to write, uh.. other stuff? |
| 10:08:48 | lucent | sorry I don't remember details |
| 10:09:02 | _rossy_ | yeah, i checked all the guidelines |
| 10:09:07 | * | lucent :) |
| 10:09:30 | lucent | you probably want rasher or Badger |
| 10:09:40 | _rossy_ | ah, ok |
| 10:09:49 | _rossy_ | when are they likely to be online? |
| 10:10:06 | pixelma | huh? |
| 10:10:11 | lucent | once or twice daily, I don't know what hour of the day |
| 10:10:24 | _rossy_ | k |
| 10:10:43 | pixelma | no need to wait for them for wiki write access... |
| 10:12:45 | pixelma | _rossy_: you should be able to edit pages now, hope you don't intend to spam ;) |
| 10:12:58 | _rossy_ | ok, thanks |
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| 10:20:35 | psycho_maniac | i was just wondering if somebody could confirm a bug i have found |
| 10:21:50 | psycho_maniac | first let me get the latest version and see if it still exists |
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| 10:25:56 | psycho_maniac | ok now im not so sure if its a bug :S |
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| 10:28:57 | psycho_maniac | im in a album folder and i have sort files as bottom quickscreen item. if i have it set to newest files already and go in that folder then use my quick menu to sort them by alphabetical they do not change unless i go out of the folder and back in |
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| 10:35:16 | lucent | psycho_maniac: I don't know the code involved, but I'm not surprised by that behavior |
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| 10:55:32 | lucent | Hm, why don't plugins build for the Fuze (Sansa AMS AS3525 target) ? Is it just a missing plugin keymap? |
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| 11:01:59 | bertrik | the ams sansas do not have recording yet, but I want to add proper radio support soonish |
| 11:03:05 | bertrik | as far as I can see, the analog radio input to the codec can be enabled with audiohw_set_monitor, but this function is only compiled #ifdef HAVE_RECORDING |
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| 11:31:05 | amiconn | linuxstb: Do you think the small optimisation should be ported to the 3.1 branch? The fixes (8 bit and one-channel silence) already are there. |
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| 11:52:09 | JdGordon | does anyone in here use bookmarks? |
| 11:53:17 | gevaerts | I do, occasionally |
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| 11:54:26 | JdGordon | I'm going to need some opinions on my patc sometime soonish if you wanna have a play? |
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| 11:55:12 | gevaerts | I can't test right now as I don't have my player with me, but I can try to give some opinions |
| 11:55:56 | gevaerts | n1s: I didn't mention dual-boot last night because we do have precedents for that not being needed for a target to be supported |
| 11:55:59 | JdGordon | no worries.. its not quite ready yet... almost |
| 11:56:37 | n1s | gevaerts: ok, but it's the same problem |
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| 12:06:56 | JdGordon | why are we using .<filename> for system files inside the .rockbox folder? |
| 12:07:18 | JdGordon | we really should discuss moving user data out of .rockbox |
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| 12:09:33 | JdGordon | would using 3 lines for each bookmark in the recent bmark browser be way too much? |
| 12:10:20 | gevaerts | Not on gigabeat, but on e.g. c200 I wouldn't really like that I think |
| 12:11:37 | JdGordon | I'm having trouble keeping as much info there as possible without wasting too much RAM storing it, or cpu loading .bmarks and reading id3 data |
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| 12:13:19 | gevaerts | I guess it depends on your usage pattern. If you only have two or three "streams", three lines is fine. If you have dozens it isn't |
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| 12:14:03 | JdGordon | and thats the problem... I dont actually use bookmarks |
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| 12:18:49 | JdGordon | getting better... I've got <.bmark "name">: <track filename> on the first line neither of those have full paths |
| 12:18:57 | JdGordon | or extensions |
| 12:19:09 | JdGordon | so the display will be as good as your filenameing scheme |
| 12:19:30 | JdGordon | although that wastes too much space on the 2nd line |
| 12:23:35 | linuxstb | amiconn: Yes, I think it's worth including that in 3.1 - nice optimisation BTW. Does changing (f->avg * 3) to (3 * f->avg) do anything, or is it just cosmetic? |
| 12:23:48 | amiconn | That's cosmetic |
| 12:24:07 | linuxstb | OK - you never know with gcc... |
| 12:24:13 | amiconn | Very true... |
| 12:25:44 | amiconn | I already tried that optimisation once, and it sounded ok, but didn't commit it. Now I verified that it is mathematically correct and won't overflow. Decoding is bit perfect for mono & stereo; 8, 16 and 24 bit |
| 12:26:48 | amiconn | On arm it only helps a little because gcc optimised the /3 using smull and some fixup. On coldfire it saves an actual div instruction |
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| 12:48:17 | * | lucent pokes Sansa AMS target Fuze to enable plugins and see what happens |
| 12:50:48 | lucent | looks like they mostly work |
| 12:55:40 | gevaerts | B4gder: do you already have a more detailed release schedule? i.e. is it still "23rd or 25th or 26th" or is there a specific date (and possibly time) yet? |
| 12:56:34 | B4gder | no I don't yet... |
| 12:57:06 | B4gder | but afaik there's nothing major in the pipe anywhere so it should still be possible on any of those dates |
| 12:57:23 | B4gder | possibly already on the 23rd then, to keep the 3 month interval exactly |
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| 13:01:05 | freddy__ | lucent, are keymaps for the plugins already in svn ? |
| 13:01:25 | lucent | freddy__: no not as of today |
| 13:02:13 | lucent | freddy__: I mostly cloned E200 keys, except that the E200 has a BUTTON_REC, so I substituted the Fuze's BUTTON_HOME instead because the Fuze does not have a record button |
| 13:02:26 | lucent | freddy__: also I'm not really sure what to make of the mpegplayer plugin |
| 13:02:33 | freddy__ | okay then I will make up my patch to work with the current svn so someone can commit the patch |
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| 13:02:52 | lucent | freddy__: yeah, I am testing on real hardware btw ;) |
| 13:02:57 | lucent | 8gb Fuze |
| 13:03:07 | freddy__ | my patch is at FS #9617 |
| 13:03:15 | lucent | thanks |
| 13:03:35 | lucent | if you want to sync with SVN, I'll test and comment on your patch |
| 13:04:09 | lucent | freddy__: does a tweak to tools/configure belong in your patch? |
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| 13:05:32 | freddy__ | tools/configure is already patched in svn or ? |
| 13:07:48 | lucent | freddy__: I meant the line for target #58 in tools/configure that says plugins=""" |
| 13:07:53 | freddy__ | ah my make file is old I did a svn revert ;-) you just need to put in plugins="yes" in line 1751 |
| 13:07:57 | lucent | mischat, it says plugins="" |
| 13:08:09 | lucent | okay |
| 13:08:30 | freddy__ | thats not in my patch |
| 13:08:41 | lucent | my question to you, is who makes a change like that to tools/configure, would it be part ... oh okay great to know the answer thanks! |
| 13:08:44 | lucent | :) |
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| 13:21:31 | bertrik | n1s, I'd like to add proper radio support for ams sansas soon, would you mind if I committed my si4700.c (with 16-bit register cache and optional oscillator enable)? I'll keep the tune function the same as currently in SVN, we can work on improving that later |
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| 13:25:49 | lucent | bertrik: how does one go about accessing the radio feature, is it a top-level menu item? |
| 13:25:57 | lucent | (when enabled) |
| 13:27:21 | bertrik | lucent, yes it appears in the main menu (as "FM Radio") |
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| 13:36:28 | gevaerts | B4gder: ok. I'll try to do a lot of test installs tonight then |
| 13:36:54 | B4gder | great |
| 13:36:55 | n1s | bertrik: sounds good to me :) |
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| 13:49:56 | freddy__ | lucent my patch is ready. I am trying on real hardware now FS #9617 |
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| 14:08:11 | * | bertrik tries to add LINEIN2 support to as3514 |
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| 14:22:12 | bertrik | are there any targets with more than one LINE-IN? |
| 14:22:30 | bertrik | I mean, LINE-IN in use |
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| 14:23:51 | Tangent1 | Can I delete the original ipod folders to clean up the root directory? |
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| 14:28:46 | linuxstb | Tangent1: Yes, but if you ever start the original Apple firmware again, it will recreate them. |
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| 14:30:16 | Tangent1 | ah, thanks! |
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| 15:01:18 | JdGordon | gevaerts: if you get a chance to play with bookarks, can you test out 9407? the .bmark file format changed so old ones wont work anymore... |
| 15:02:36 | Tangent1 | i would like some nice, listless ambient music |
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| 15:09:36 | gevaerts | JdGordon: I'll (try to) install a build with that later today, in between testing 3.1RC installs |
| 15:10:01 | JdGordon | 3.1 is more important... |
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| 15:16:15 | Tangent1 | howcome my player keeps booting into the audio recorder |
| 15:17:19 | scorche | have you checked the setting that dictates the screen you first see on bootup?...i cannot recall the exact name, but you can probably find it in the manual |
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| 15:19:16 | Tangent1 | any idea what to search for in the manual to find that? |
| 15:19:17 | JdGordon | start screen... |
| 15:19:24 | JdGordon | under settings > system |
| 15:19:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | Tangent1: Download the PDF manual for your player, then open it in a PDF viewer with a search function. |
| 15:20:15 | Tangent1 | i have the pdf manual, i was just looking for a keyword to search for in it |
| 15:21:41 | Tangent1 | thanks, when I found that feature on my own I thought it was to allow me to toggle on and off the different options on the main menu |
| 15:22:04 | LambdaCalculus37 | jhMikeS: Congrats on getting charging for the beast into SVN! :) |
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| 15:30:14 | Jaykay | is there a way to get a complete clean svn after applying patches but without apllying the patches again with -R? |
| 15:30:36 | JdGordon | svn revert -R . |
| 15:30:45 | JdGordon | will get rid of all changes under the current directory |
| 15:31:09 | * | JdGordon points Jaykay to google or man svn |
| 15:31:42 | Jaykay | man = manual? |
| 15:32:01 | JdGordon | man page |
| 15:32:20 | Jaykay | ok... thanks |
| 15:32:38 | linuxstb | JdGordon: You've read the svn manpage? ;) |
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| 15:33:21 | JdGordon | course not :D |
| 15:37:48 | gevaerts | JdGordon: do so. It doesn't take much time :) |
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| 16:30:07 | Unhelpful | suggestions on where to put another in-core image decoder? bmp.* and resize.* currently live in apps/recorder, and that seems a little arbitrary, but it might be best to just keep doing what we're already doing. |
| 16:35:02 | * | dionoea thought that the consensus was to have something like for audio codecs to support multiple image decoders |
| 16:35:19 | dionoea | So not in core but load when needed |
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| 16:39:51 | Jaykay | badger: around? |
| 16:40:09 | Jaykay | bagder |
| 16:42:05 | linuxstb | dionoea: Was there a concensus about that? Given the limited number of image codecs we're likely to need, is it worth the complication? |
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| 16:42:31 | dionoea | That's what I remember... I might have missed some stuff :) |
| 16:42:49 | dionoea | I guess that it also depends on the added bin size |
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| 16:58:30 | amiconn | Unhelpful: apps/recorder might seem a little arbitrary due to rockbox history. It's should probably be named apps/bitmap, and apps/player should be apps/charcell |
| 16:59:11 | LambdaCalculus37 | amiconn: A good idea. |
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| 17:01:24 | amiconn | It's just that the player was the first (and only) charcell target, and the recorder was the first bitmap target, but now there are lots of those |
| 17:01:45 | amiconn | ...even some which don't have recording |
| 17:02:39 | amiconn | If we're going for those names, some modules should probably be moved from apps/recorder to their own directory |
| 17:03:02 | amiconn | (e.g. fm radio and recording stuff which really isn't related to the display type) |
| 17:03:08 | LambdaCalculus37 | Indeed. |
| 17:03:23 | LambdaCalculus37 | Most of that should be more generalized, anyway. |
| 17:06:17 | amiconn | The recording and radio stuff in apps/recorder is in fact gui stuff, so apps/gui might be the correct place |
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| 17:16:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | amiconn: Actually, would moving the recording and radio stuff into apps/gui allow for possible theming of the recording and FM screens in the future, or does that require something else? |
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| 17:23:18 | Unhelpful | well, if it's apps/recorder == apps/bitmap, i'll leave it in there for now ;) |
| 17:25:12 | * | amiconn has several unfinished things in his tree, e.g. apps/player/bmp.c :\\ |
| 17:25:37 | Unhelpful | gah, you have bmp.c work that's not committed! so have i! :/ |
| 17:26:42 | amiconn | It's a minimalistic bmp loader for charcell, which is meant to be used for loadable filetype icons |
| 17:27:11 | amiconn | The loader works, but the icon integration doesn't exist yet |
| 17:27:33 | Unhelpful | ah. what i'm working on now is getting jpeg_decoder.c to compile in core. then i can see about how to bolt a scaler frontend onto it. |
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| 17:36:33 | Unhelpful | on charcell, i'd say it's probably reasonable to make icons cell-sized, and to support reading only 1bpp bitmaps, and ignoring the palette |
| 17:37:52 | LambdaCalculus37 | Unhelpful: I believe most of the icons on the Player are already cell-sized, but you can always look at them via the sim. |
| 17:37:59 | amiconn | The reader is resricted to width <= 8 and 1bpp files |
| 17:38:27 | amiconn | It does check the palette though, because the various gfx programs save 1bpp bmp files in both possible ways |
| 17:38:55 | amiconn | Height isn't restricted - it is meant for loading a vertical bmp strip containing a number of icons |
| 17:39:39 | Unhelpful | huh, funny thing, in-core jpeg_decoder.c seems to thing i'm compiling for ARM |
| 17:40:11 | Unhelpful | sorry, for SH. it's choking on one of the inline asm bits. |
| 17:42:10 | Unhelpful | the other inline asm implementations for range limit are tests for whether CPU_XXXX is defined, but the sh version is #if CONFIG_CPU == SH7034 ... i'm guessing neither is defined when building sim? |
| 17:43:04 | Unhelpful | or perhaps i'm missing an include :/ |
| 17:43:11 | kugel | amiconn: I found a way to use an isr for the wheel |
| 17:43:12 | amiconn | Certainly. |
| 17:43:22 | kugel | but it's a bit messy |
| 17:43:35 | kugel | and it doesn't work like I want |
| 17:43:42 | amiconn | Since you're probably no longer including plugin.h (which would be wrong) you should include config.h |
| 17:44:27 | Unhelpful | amiconn: yup, i got that, and it works now. it doesn't seem to need anything except config.h and string.h |
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| 17:45:09 | kugel | I can trigger an interrupt when the dbop fifo is emtpy (which is filled by the lcd). The isr gets exectued (and the wheel is read), but enabling the IR in that isr creates some kind of endless loop |
| 17:46:56 | kugel | probably because the fifo is empty most of the time |
| 17:49:34 | kugel | so, I seem to need to re-enable based on another condition, or regulary in some kind of "tick task" |
| 17:50:22 | Unhelpful | i expected "getting it to build in core" to be more than four lines of edit. now i have to think about the scaler part |
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| 18:19:13 | bertrik | kugel, I noticed in the fuze display driver that the FIFO is not really used yet |
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| 18:24:09 | kugel | bertrik: it is I think |
| 18:24:20 | kugel | see lcd_write_data |
| 18:24:46 | kugel | but, as the fifo seems to be empty most of the time that's nor really applicable for a interrupt |
| 18:24:48 | bertrik | the loop should try to keep the FIFO nearly full, not wait until it is empty every time |
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| 18:25:58 | amiconn | How does the wheel readout work on the fuze? |
| 18:26:02 | kugel | bertrik: yea, it should probably wait for half-full, not empty |
| 18:26:34 | kugel | but then again, the driver is purely based on disassembly. we just do as bad as the of :) |
| 18:26:36 | amiconn | I thought it would be the usual low-level 2-bit 90° phased signal, but then you're talking about a fifo |
| 18:27:37 | kugel | amiconn: no, it's like you say. but the readout is a bit more complicated as (apparently) cannot readout on gpio directly |
| 18:28:49 | amiconn | Hmm, so for interrupt readout, it would be necessary to trigger an interrupt on every level change of either signal pin |
| 18:28:54 | kugel | now I read the dbop input, which can only be read if the output fifo is empty and the read data valid flag is set (and thus there's no way to use a isr from dbop in) |
| 18:29:31 | amiconn | On PP these are plain GPIO interrupts. The ISR adjusts the trigger condition to be always the opposite of what just triggered it |
| 18:30:03 | kugel | yes, I looked how pp does it |
| 18:31:34 | kugel | the wheel is apparently attached to gpio too (since dbop is physically connected to gpio b and c), but I haven't found any trace of the wheel when trying to read gpio pins |
| 18:32:13 | amiconn | The clickwheel ipods except mini G1 are a little more complex, because they don't have the wheel connected to gpio. They use the so-called opto interface |
| 18:33:22 | amiconn | Those don't provide the 2-bit 90° phased signal either, but the absolute position. |
| 18:35:04 | bertrik | I still don't see why GPIO can't read those bits, while DBOP can. There must be something else we're overlooking, like some other pin that needs to be high or low to make the wheel work. |
| 18:35:34 | kugel | bertrik: well, A1 needs to be set to read it over dbop |
| 18:35:53 | kugel | I already tried to set it when reading gpio, but without success |
| 18:36:48 | kugel | bertrik: but apparently you cannot read all buttons with dbop which you can read using direct gpio connection |
| 18:37:57 | bertrik | then we're still overlooking something, there's no fundamental reason why something can't be read with normal GPIO |
| 18:40:50 | bertrik | of course, for research purposes it can be very helpful to try different approaches to reading the buttons. |
| 18:41:45 | jhMikeS | gevaerts: Did I miss anything here to present two different configs? jhmikes.cleansoap.org/usbcore-dual-config.diff">http://jhmikes.cleansoap.org/usbcore-dual-config.diff |
| 18:42:28 | kugel | bertrik: I'm not too sure about that. The OF reads over dbop too |
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| 18:43:06 | kugel | but I haven't yet found which buttons it reads over that |
| 18:44:50 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: I don't see anything obvious |
| 18:46:02 | lucent | kugel: casual observation here about Fuze OF and wheel, is that the wheel has a (I'm guessing magnetic) bump feel to it, about 8 of these around the wheel, and each "bump" is what the OF responds to... does OF "know" when the bump is complete? |
| 18:48:17 | kugel | bertrik: do you think it's possible the wheel sends something to the lcd (the lcd ignores it though)? This way we could fire an interrupt when the fifio is being filled |
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| 18:49:35 | bertrik | kugel, it sounds highly unlikely to me that the wheel sends something to the lcd |
| 18:49:51 | kugel | well, it's all dbop |
| 18:50:22 | kugel | I mean I tri-state dbop before reading (which apparently means locking the output) |
| 18:51:40 | kugel | I just think, since dbop is meant to be output, everything that's attached to dbop sends something to the output |
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| 18:53:38 | bertrik | I don't know what you mean |
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| 18:55:54 | unstable | ok, so I just got my Sansa e280 in the mail. I have it plugged in, haven't changed anything yet. I need this rockbox file: http://build.rockbox.org/dist/build-sansae200/rockbox.zip right? and I just unzip it onto the device.. and then what? do I run some script? are there instructions for the install on the website? |
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| 18:57:03 | LambdaCalculus37 | unstable: We have a very fine manual here with all of the details: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansae200/rockbox-build.html |
| 18:57:16 | evilnick | unstable: I'd use the rbutil tool to install rockbox, as it's easier than the manual install |
| 18:57:33 | evilnick | And that is linked to from LambdaCalculus37's URL |
| 18:59:23 | bertrik | kugel, ok I see the O in DBOP stands for output :P. I can indeed imagine that it's easier to use only DBOP for both the display and button readout, rather than constantly switching back and forth between DBOP and GPIO |
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| 19:00:05 | unstable | How do I put my Sansa e280 into UMS mode? |
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| 19:04:45 | lucent | unstable: check OF options look for "USB" menu under settings, switch it to MSC (not MTP) |
| 19:06:29 | bertrik | unstable, please also make sure it's a "v1" sansa e280, you can determine this from the original firmware version number |
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| 19:07:30 | onlysoaa | Elloh everyone. Does anyone know if an ARM emulator/debugger? |
| 19:08:03 | unstable | V03.01.11A |
| 19:08:11 | unstable | Is the version it says bertrik |
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| 19:08:16 | jhMikeS | gevaerts: then it appears windows just goes with whatever is first in the list and ignores others. |
| 19:09:49 | bertrik | unstable, that's bad news for you... rockbox doesn't run with that hardware yet |
| 19:10:29 | unstable | bertrik: What version is it? |
| 19:11:13 | unstable | wtf.. I ordered it from eBay, the guy specifies it was v1, and rockbox can run on it. |
| 19:11:19 | unstable | http://cgi.ebay.com/8GB-SanDisk-Sansa-e280-MP3-Player-FM-Tuner-Recorder-v1_W0QQitemZ370094830003QQcmdZViewItem |
| 19:11:22 | unstable | I ordered that one. |
| 19:12:18 | unstable | bertrik: Are you sure/ |
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| 19:13:24 | Jaykay | unstable: its a fact that rockbox doesnt run on 03.xxxx models..... |
| 19:13:51 | bertrik | unstable, yes I'm sure, sorry to have to tell you |
| 19:13:51 | Jaykay | if the seller wrote its v1, you can send it back because of wrong informations. |
| 19:14:47 | lucent | unstable: it's very common what you see, sellers just assume rockbox works on everything |
| 19:15:04 | unstable | bleh, f'ing seller. pain in my butt. |
| 19:15:22 | lucent | unstable: good luck resolving with your eBay snag :/ |
| 19:15:26 | unstable | So 03.xxxx models means it's a version 3 e280 sansa? |
| 19:15:43 | Jaykay | v2 |
| 19:15:47 | kugel | amiconn: do you know why the keyboad screen sets DRMODE_COMPLEMENT for displaying the keyboard? |
| 19:15:59 | unstable | Jaykay: And what would a v1 player say? |
| 19:16:07 | Jaykay | 01.xxx |
| 19:16:13 | unstable | dammit, I bought an 8gig microsd card too. Now I might not be able to find a v1 e280 |
| 19:16:24 | unstable | what a bastard |
| 19:16:31 | Jaykay | you got it. |
| 19:16:33 | * | unstable prints out a label |
| 19:16:38 | unstable | shipping label that is |
| 19:16:52 | kugel | that inverts the global_settings colors in the keyboard screen if no backdrop is set |
| 19:17:08 | kugel | looks pretty ugly |
| 19:18:37 | Jaykay | unstable: but the microsd card should work, afaik the v2 models support sdhc |
| 19:19:03 | unstable | yea, but I don't want this proprietary crap |
| 19:19:50 | Jaykay | unstable: you could send it back and wait until rockbox works on the fuze..... |
| 19:20:08 | Jaykay | its much cheaper than the e200 series |
| 19:20:45 | Photoguy | This seems to be an E-280.. |
| 19:20:46 | unstable | Does the fuze work more than the v2 e280? |
| 19:20:47 | Photoguy | http://sellout.woot.com/Default.aspx?WootSaleId=7697&ts=1229970616&sig=bd90d64140905b74 |
| 19:21:00 | Photoguy | V1..that is |
| 19:21:19 | lucent | unstable: depending on your definition of "work(ing)" |
| 19:21:24 | unstable | Jaykay: Can I play music on the fuze with rockbox? as it is now? |
| 19:21:41 | lucent | unstable: I own an 8GB Fuze, and though it's a bit off-topic for this chan, I'll say that the OF is plenty capable |
| 19:22:02 | lucent | unstable: I'm patient and don't mind to wait for rockbox to progress |
| 19:22:07 | Jaykay | unstable: afaik yes, but its not fully supported, some things do not work |
| 19:22:46 | bertrik | v2 sansas (ams sansas) should not be considered "supported" just yet |
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| 19:26:28 | unstable | Anyone have a url from rockbox.org saying how the v2 doesn't work yet? |
| 19:26:43 | lucent | unstable: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaV2 |
| 19:26:49 | unstable | thanks |
| 19:26:54 | lucent | not totally accurate or recent, but better than it used to be anyways |
| 19:28:10 | lucent | if you want help trying rockbox, I don't mind taking the time to explain it. Know that it's unsupported, doesn't fully work, and (though unlikely) could brick your device. |
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| 19:28:36 | unstable | So rockbox can work with this v2 e280? |
| 19:28:37 | lucent | hit me in privmsg for anything like that though please |
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| 20:01:07 | lucent | freddy__: hi! |
| 20:01:34 | lucent | freddy__: I fixed up your patch a little, attached to the task |
| 20:02:07 | lucent | freddy__: I think you forgot some parts though |
| 20:02:38 | bertrik | yuck, radio support is entangled with recording support, so we can't have radio without recording it seems |
| 20:03:20 | lucent | bertrik: is recording simply a plugin, or is it hardware dependent? |
| 20:03:51 | lucent | sorry I'm confused and I am asking this poorly |
| 20:04:26 | lucent | I am looking for simple work that I can contribute (like testing plugin keymaps) |
| 20:04:46 | jhMikeS | bertrik: It's not. e200 had FM before recording and currently the beast has FM without recording. |
| 20:05:49 | bertrik | audiohw_set_monitor in as3514.c only exists when HAVE_RECORDING but is required for FM |
| 20:07:01 | lucent | oh. IMO that should be split out further so that it's HAVE_MIXER or something |
| 20:07:12 | jhMikeS | bertrik: true, but the condition could be changed, no? |
| 20:08:08 | bertrik | yes, it could, I should probably do that |
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| 20:11:43 | bertrik | yes, it could, I should probably do that |
| 20:12:08 | freddy__ | lucent, could be that I forgot something I'll have a look later |
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| 20:13:00 | lucent | freddy__: otherwise the patch looks good to me, thank you :) |
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| 20:16:41 | * | bertrik wonders how the beast routes the analog FM signal into the codec |
| 20:18:16 | jhMikeS | They were just enabled at startup. I guess just to get it in place for nwo. |
| 20:18:19 | jhMikeS | *no |
| 20:18:20 | jhMikeS | w |
| 20:20:21 | * | Photoguy thinks it's impossible! |
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| 20:31:46 | jhMikeS | amiconn: As a check, see if this changes anything for you: jhmikes.cleansoap.org/gigs-usb-charging-optional.diff">http://jhmikes.cleansoap.org/gigs-usb-charging-optional.diff |
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| 21:02:25 | bertrik | jhMikeS, in order to enable LINE_IN2 for the analog FM input I want to make audiohw_set_monitor also available for targets without recording. Is this OK? or should I make this work some other way? |
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| 21:05:32 | jhMikeS | bertrick: There are input caps that tell which inputs a target has which should be defined in the config file. |
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| 21:06:04 | jhMikeS | *bertrik |
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| 21:20:42 | bertrik | yeah I have those, but I still don't know what the proper way is to switch FM for targets without recording |
| 21:21:29 | jhMikeS | AS3525 has no ADC? |
| 21:22:08 | bertrik | yes it has, but support has not been coded yet |
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| 21:23:18 | jhMikeS | audiohw_set_monitor should simply change monitoring. switching should use that exclusively without recording. |
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| 21:24:03 | jhMikeS | so, analog inputs or not. I suppose it would be like other targets with recording but use the non-recording case for FM |
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| 21:27:57 | bertrik | ok, I consider that a 'yes' then to my earlier question |
| 21:28:00 | jhMikeS | audiohw_set_monitor has rather target-dependent behavior so really you just do with it what's needed. it's never called from outside the audio mux. |
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| 21:29:59 | bertrik | ah ok, thanks for the explanation |
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| 21:30:13 | Nerd42 | hello :) |
| 21:30:29 | onlysoaa | Hullo, Nerd42. |
| 21:30:48 | Nerd42 | um i'm looking around but I don't see which is the cheapest player i can put rockbox on |
| 21:31:06 | Nerd42 | so that next time i buy an mp3 player i will know which models to get :) |
| 21:32:07 | onlysoaa | I used to have a gigabeat. They're really good hard drive players with fast processors. |
| 21:32:11 | Nerd42 | right now i've got this cheap Chinese piece of crap called an "iQ Touch" |
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| 21:32:54 | lucent | Nerd42: I like my Sansa Fuze (it's not supported by rockbox yet) |
| 21:33:24 | lucent | since there's no supported rockbox target *in production* it's a bit off-topic for #rockbox ;) |
| 21:33:36 | Unhelpful | if you can find a e200v1, they're pretty nice. i like my gigabeat S60, but that's also a not-officially-supported-yet target. |
| 21:33:54 | onlysoaa | gigabeat Fs are great. O: |
| 21:34:12 | Nerd42 | what? you mean rockbox doesn't work with any mp3 player models currently on the market?? |
| 21:34:19 | onlysoaa | You can also stick a newer slim 40GB drive in an F20. |
| 21:34:33 | onlysoaa | Unfortunately, as all manufacturers try to lock down their firmwares. |
| 21:34:49 | onlysoaa | Either that or the player in question simply isn't popular enough for a porting effort. |
| 21:34:53 | onlysoaa | Such as my Samsung P2. |
| 21:35:47 | jhMikeS | bertrik: I suppose the same is true for all the functions the mux uses. They don't really even have to be those audiohw APIs. |
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| 21:39:02 | Nerd42 | so there are no open source portable mp3 players on the market eh? |
| 21:39:14 | Nerd42 | maybe i should get an openpandora lol :) |
| 21:39:30 | Unhelpful | there have never been very many where the manufacurer intended any open-source-ness. |
| 21:39:36 | lucent | Nerd42: Neuros Technology has the opensource firmware Neuros player |
| 21:39:48 | lucent | it's no longer in production but it was officially open source firmware |
| 21:40:13 | Nerd42 | ooh i fond something http://www.teuthis.com/daisy/index.html |
| 21:40:42 | Unhelpful | lucent: though you were never able to build it with open-source, or even free, tools |
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| 21:42:03 | lucent | Unhelpful: lol @ that, it's true |
| 21:43:04 | Nerd42 | You'd think that id software would get some kind of licensing deal with a manufacturer and sell people DooM branded ones ready-to-go with the DooM plugin for rockbox already installed and preloaded with the DooM soundtrack(s) lol |
| 21:43:16 | Nerd42 | "ones" meaning mp3 players |
| 21:43:29 | lucent | no, I wouldn't think that |
| 21:43:44 | Nerd42 | why not? that'd be the coolest christmas present ever |
| 21:43:54 | krazykit | in any case, this is kind of veering off-topic now |
| 21:44:00 | lucent | I think "when kugel is ready with his code I will test some more plugin keymaps for the Sansa Fuze target and help rockbox project" |
| 21:44:20 | lucent | other discussions are welcomed in #rockbox-community :) |
| 21:44:26 | Nerd42 | yeah i just saw that |
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| 21:44:52 | lucent | Nerd42: good luck finding your desired music player |
| 21:45:10 | Nerd42 | thx :) |
| 21:45:27 | Nerd42 | i'll chill over at #rockbox-community for a bit. thx bye :) |
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| 22:54:51 | opteek | Hello all |
| 22:54:59 | onlysoaa | Hi there opteek. |
| 22:55:20 | opteek | I've got a bricked sansa e260 that I can't seem to get into manufacture mode. |
| 22:55:36 | opteek | ive tried holding the center button as well as the down button while booting with the sansa locked and unlocked |
| 22:56:00 | opteek | lsusb as root doesnt show anything at all, neither from dmesg |
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| 22:57:48 | onlysoaa | Sorry, I don't know anything about Sansas. |
| 22:57:51 | onlysoaa | :x |
| 22:58:03 | opteek | thats ok |
| 22:58:24 | gevaerts | Nothing in dmesg either? |
| 22:58:26 | opteek | there was someone here who was helpful before but i had to log before we could do anything |
| 22:58:44 | opteek | is there anything specific i should be looking for |
| 22:59:15 | gevaerts | I would expect at least a "new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address ..." message |
| 22:59:16 | opteek | the only usb related entries are for my wireless mouse |
| 22:59:52 | opteek | yes |
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| 23:00:08 | opteek | new low speed device uhci_hcd |
| 23:00:21 | opteek | input: Logitech USB receiver .. |
| 23:00:43 | gevaerts | That sounds like bad hardware to me. Maybe a bad cable? |
| 23:01:00 | opteek | the sansa turns on when i connect it |
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| 23:01:12 | opteek | and the cable had worked fine previously to the sansa bricking |
| 23:01:21 | gevaerts | That means it gets power, not much more |
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| 23:01:43 | opteek | i just turned off rockbox one time after using it for weeks and then next time i turn it on i get the blue wheel |
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| 23:02:02 | evilnick | opteek: did you drop it at any point? |
| 23:02:12 | gevaerts | Have you tried pluging it in and running e200tool init like rasher suggested? |
| 23:02:29 | evilnick | You could try opening it (once you've exhausted all other suggestions) and re-seating the memory |
| 23:02:34 | opteek | yes ive tried the e200tool but it doesnt find the player since i cant get into manufacture mode |
| 23:02:37 | opteek | and yes i have dropped it |
| 23:02:42 | Dekkard | i have a ist gen nano.. i am trying to format it as a winpod.. and used the dd command.. but the device shows read only.. owned by root.. and is read only.. any help? |
| 23:02:45 | opteek | but every time i did the player worked afterwards |
| 23:02:54 | evilnick | opteek: I'll find the link that I used to fix mine... |
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| 23:05:07 | gevaerts | Dekkard: is this on linux? |
| 23:05:11 | opteek | would the memory being knocked out cause the thing to not respond to manufacture mode? |
| 23:05:22 | evilnick | afaik, it's possible |
| 23:05:25 | rasher | opteek: did you specifically run e200tool init? |
| 23:05:33 | evilnick | it sounds exactly like what happened to mine |
| 23:05:56 | opteek | rasher, yes I did it came back as device not found |
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| 23:06:06 | Dekkard | yes.. im running a linux box |
| 23:06:06 | opteek | twice |
| 23:07:01 | Dekkard | i tried to change permissions.. but for some reason.. the machine wont let me( from sudo) |
| 23:07:15 | gevaerts | Dekkard: if you mount it as root without special options, it will remain root-only |
| 23:07:30 | gevaerts | FAT doesn't do permissions the way e.g. ext3 does them |
| 23:07:58 | Dekkard | but the ipod is formatted to hfs filesystem.. i originally used it on a mac |
| 23:08:38 | Dekkard | i need to format it to fat..than install the rockbox stuff.. but the freekin ipod is showing up as a read only filesystem |
| 23:09:03 | opteek | remount rw ? |
| 23:09:15 | gevaerts | Why does that matter if you need to reformat anyway? |
| 23:10:04 | Dekkard | whne i tried to dd the file(.bin) to format it as fat.. the ipod wont allow it.. its staying read only.. I cant write to it |
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| 23:10:30 | gevaerts | What is the exact command you used? |
| 23:10:54 | Dekkard | sudo dd if=mbr-nano4gb.bin of=/media/disk |
| 23:11:37 | Dekkard | so /media/disk is wher its mounted |
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| 23:12:08 | gevaerts | That's wrong. You don't dd it to a mountpoint |
| 23:12:16 | gevaerts | Unmount it, and dd it to the device |
| 23:13:44 | gevaerts | Although honestly if you're not familiar with this sort of thing, I would strongly recommend finding a Windows machine with itunes installed and let that handle the conversion |
| 23:14:37 | Dekkard | 1+0 records in |
| 23:14:37 | Dekkard | 1+0 records out |
| 23:14:37 | Dekkard | 512 bytes (512 B) copied, 0.0203896 s, 25.1 kB/s |
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| 23:15:06 | Dekkard | does that mean it worked? |
| 23:15:17 | gevaerts | That looks a lot better, yes |
| 23:16:10 | opteek | evilnick, did you have a chance to find those instructions? |
| 23:16:25 | Dekkard | so now i have to remount it +rw and copy the .rockbox folder to it right? |
| 23:16:26 | opteek | ill try that before I get another one for 40 bux |
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| 23:17:17 | gevaerts | Dekkard: are you following IpodConversionToFAT32? You need to do more things |
| 23:17:30 | evilnick | opteek: am still trying |
| 23:17:32 | Dekkard | groovy |
| 23:17:38 | evilnick | It's laughably simple though |
| 23:19:06 | evilnick | Basically (after you've tried *all* the advice on the wiki) you unscrew the backplate, open it up, and apply very slight pressure on the big black chip at the top of the sansa, so that the memory gets re-seated. |
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| 23:19:27 | evilnick | If you have the right size screwdriver then it takes maybe 2 minutes |
| 23:19:52 | Zagor | umm. buffering.c accepts setting a new watermark, yet still keeps BUFFERING_CRITICAL_LEVEL hardcoded at 128 KB. shouldn't that rather be something like 50-75% of the set watermark level? |
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| 23:20:56 | Zagor | 128 KB is is 8 seconds of 128kbit mp3 = way above a reasonable watermark |
| 23:22:24 | evilnick | opteek: This: http://anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33373 is the nearest I can find, look from the second post onwards |
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| 23:22:36 | evilnick | best of luck anyway. Bye. |
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| 23:33:01 | Dekkard | gavaerts: can i just use gparted to do the conversion to fat32? |
| 23:33:09 | gevaerts | No |
| 23:33:25 | gevaerts | gparted doesn't handle conversions between partition table formats |
| 23:33:48 | gevaerts | Although you may use it for just the formatting |
| 23:33:54 | Dekkard | sweet |
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| 23:34:18 | Dekkard | you are actually making me wish i had a windows machine.. |
| 23:34:23 | Dekkard | i feel so dirty |
| 23:34:24 | gevaerts | Be careful to format the correct partition though |
| 23:34:32 | Dekkard | roger that |
| 23:35:56 | Dekkard | shows the device as /dev/sdb |
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| 23:36:37 | casainho | hello |
| 23:36:45 | Dekkard | ther is dev sdb 1, 2 and 3 |
| 23:37:00 | casainho | is there a way to force RB bootloader to not build using Thumb instructions? |
| 23:37:02 | Dekkard | 3 is hfs 3.75gig |
| 23:37:26 | gevaerts | Did you unplug after dd-ing the new mbr? |
| 23:37:31 | casainho | I am getting one problem when ARM enters on Thumb mode, with an instruction BLX |
| 23:37:35 | Bagder | rockbox uses thumb? |
| 23:37:38 | Dekkard | yes i did |
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| 23:37:54 | Dekkard | frack.. it didnt take did it |
| 23:38:04 | gevaerts | Then you did something wrong. You're only supposed to see two partitions. |
| 23:38:09 | gevaerts | What exactly was your dd command? |
| 23:38:41 | Dekkard | sudo dd if=mbr-nano4gb.bin of=/media/disk-1 |
| 23:38:55 | Dekkard | that is the mopunt point that gparted shwos |
| 23:39:13 | gevaerts | OK, still wrong |
| 23:39:21 | casainho | Bagder: here the piece of assembly code with BLX: http://pastebin.com/m5fe66d23 |
| 23:39:44 | gevaerts | For your specific situation, you need 'sudo dd if=mbr-nano4gb.bin of=/dev.sdb' |
| 23:39:59 | casainho | Bagder: since I understand, it's an instruction that starts executing in Thumb mode... no? |
| 23:40:06 | Bagder | casainho: afair, blx only enters thumb if the address is odd |
| 23:40:42 | Dekkard | should it be as /dev/usb? |
| 23:40:43 | casainho | Bagder: ah, okok - so, my mistake |
| 23:41:06 | gevaerts | no, why? |
| 23:41:08 | Bagder | I'm not an arm asm wizard so check the details |
| 23:41:37 | casainho | Bagder: I am doing debug with JTAG, and my code jumps to a "strange address" after executing that blx r3 |
| 23:41:45 | casainho | Bagder: do you have any idea? |
| 23:42:01 | Bagder | casainho: well if you debug it, why not just check r3 at the point of the branch? |
| 23:42:17 | casainho | Bagder: I will do it now :-) |
| 23:42:18 | Dekkard | well.. its ubuntu.. and i am trying to see the mount point in /dev |
| 23:42:30 | Dekkard | of course its makred as a symlink |
| 23:42:35 | Dekkard | marked sorry |
| 23:42:47 | gevaerts | You don't need a mountpoint. You need a device |
| 23:43:39 | Dekkard | if i go by gparted its /dev/sb3 |
| 23:43:57 | gevaerts | You first need a correct mbr |
| 23:44:18 | Dekkard | mbr-nan0-4gb.bin |
| 23:44:45 | gevaerts | Did you dd again, unplug and replug? |
| 23:44:57 | Dekkard | im going to do though it again |
| 23:45:06 | * | Dekkard grits teeth |
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| 23:51:55 | MarcGuay | Arg. 'enumitem.sty' not found building the manual, again. I should have written down the solution last time this happened to me.. |
| 23:53:08 | casainho | Bagder: you ere right :-) |
| 23:53:58 | casainho | Bagder: looks like were jumping to some lib that do divisions :-) |
| 23:54:26 | onlysoaa | Are there any D2 developers online? |
| 23:55:39 | onlysoaa | I'd like to know if the TCC7801 loader sets any registers before loading the ROM. |
| 23:57:32 | MarcGuay | onlysoaa: I think shotofadds is the person to talk to but he doesn't appear to be around. |
| 23:58:04 | onlysoaa | Aw, alright. |
| 23:58:05 | onlysoaa | Thanks. |
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